Fantasy Football Today - Regression Candidates! Terry McLaurin, Travis Kelce, Saquon Barkley and More (05/29 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: May 29, 2025

Which players have some regression to the mean coming? This could mean more or fewer touchdowns, a much lower yards per carry or more receiving yards. First, we have a lot of news and notes (4:40) com...ing out of OTAs including some updates on quarterback competitions. Then we'll kick off our regression discussion by talking about the Lions (10:00) who led the NFL in scoring in 2024. Are basically all Lions players being drafted too early, or are we fine with their ADPs? ... Touchdown regression is coming for Baker Mayfield (19:05) and James Cook (21:25), but are they still good picks at their price? We also talk about Terry McLaurin and Tee Higgins (29:40) and a trio of tight ends (38:40) who could see much different TD totals in 2025 ... We've talked about TDs, now let's talk about yardage regression (52:10). Derrick Henry and Saquon Barkley top the list ... Email us at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts Watch FFT on YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Shop our store: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠shop.cbssports.com/fantasy⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  SUBSCRIBE to FFT Express on Apple: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-express/id1528634304⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow FFT Express on Spotify: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/6qyGWfETSBFaciPrtvoWCC?si=6529cbee20634da8⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ FOLLOW FFT Dynasty on Spotify: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ SUBSCRIBE to FFT DFS on Apple: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dfs/id1579415837⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ FOLLOW FFT DFS on Spotify: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/5zU7pBvGK3KPhfb69Q1hNr?si=1c5030a3b1a64be2⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow our FFT team on Twitter:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @FFToday⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @AdamAizer⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @JameyEisenberg⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @daverichard⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @heathcummingssr⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Join our Facebook group⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Sign up for the FFT newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fan To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:00 Oh, my God. Oh! This is gonna go the distance. Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie and Heath. Let's talk about regression candidates today on Fantasy Football Today. Players who had some good or bad touchdown luck last year. Players who maybe had a yards per carry that they won't be able to, obviously we're going to squeeze YPC into this show, that they won't be able to repeat. And we've got the whole gang here, Heath, Jamie, Dave, all on today to talk about a bunch of regression candidates,
Starting point is 00:01:33 what it means for you on your draft day. All right, welcome everybody. How are we doing? Heath, can we get a definition of regression? No, we don't want to start with this. We did the semantics thing at the end of yesterday's show. Um, basically it's really easy. This does not mean someone's going to be worse.
Starting point is 00:01:52 It means they're either going to return to a more normal rate of something or return to a career norm of something. It's a, it's a regression to the mean, not a regression in terms of they're going to be worse. And no, nobody's going to say positive regression. Nobody's going to say progression. It's just regression. I just mean that somebody did something abnormal and now the thought is that
Starting point is 00:02:20 they will do something that's not abnormal. Like return to the mean. Yes. Yeah, I think higher is better than earlier. It's certainly you haven't been mean that you guys haven't been mean to me in a while. Maybe you will return to the mean soon. Just you know, I was a little mean to you via email yesterday. You and actually, yeah, no on the air, you haven't been mean
Starting point is 00:02:43 to me. But you were mean to me via email and off the air this morning already. So you asked me to watch the game. I don't want to talk about it. I don't want to talk about it. I do. I'm gonna send us an email in regards to FFT Express. And Adam's response was just Panthers because the Panthers are just one to clinch the return to the Stanley Cup finals.
Starting point is 00:03:05 Yeah. And I just responded back P A space E R S because all he said was Panthers. Yeah, which is Pacers or Panthers. Yeah, it's very funny. Do you think that Terry's Albert is going to return to the mean tonight? He's a jerk. He's a sports jerk. Like he's very cocky. And if the Knicks somehow come back and win the next three games, they need to run to the Pacers bench and do the choke sign right in front of his face. And it would be poetic.
Starting point is 00:03:36 What is a sports jerk? Why He'll be on the bench. Do you remember when Adam was mad at the US women's national soccer team for doing the tea sipping celebration? It was it. Yeah. Not not good sportsmanship. I think that good sportsmanship is everything. Okay. I'll be teaching my kid.
Starting point is 00:03:58 My son knocks him down yesterday in soccer and did not did. He is a sociopath on the field. He did not care at all I was like dude you gotta ask if he gets to play in the field he's not the backup goalie he gets the play this soccer so mean they take all the good kids and they put them on one field and then they take everyone else including my son and they put them on the other field so he's just like father like son all right anyway news and notes.
Starting point is 00:04:26 Terry McLaurin missed the first day of OTAs. His voluntary OTAs, so not a huge deal there. We'll keep an eye on McLaurin. Jonathan Taylor was not at OTAs. Oh, three minutes in, three and a half minutes in. It's time to talk about Tyreek Hill for the third straight day. Jamie, he lost weight.
Starting point is 00:04:44 He wants to get to 2,000 pounds. 2,000 yards. 2,000. 2,000. 2,000 yards. 2,000. 2,000 yards. I think he has an equal chance of doing both.
Starting point is 00:04:54 He's regressing to that weight. He wants to get to 2,000 yards. He's apologetic for basically quitting on the team in week 18. He's back. He's locked in. He wants to make amends. He's a better person.
Starting point is 00:05:07 He's motivated. I know you love that kind of stuff. Are you feeling it with Tyree Kill? He also, there was also a viral video, I think that came out yesterday. Somebody pranked him about getting traded and he was like, yes. So like.
Starting point is 00:05:21 And he was talking trash about Buffalo Bills fans. And yeah, like if you, you can just wait for Tyree Kill to regress to the mean. And call was talking trash about Buffalo Bills fans. And yeah, like if you, you can just wait for Tyree kill to regress to the mean and call Travis Hunter trash when somebody brought him up, like, well, regressing to the mean, I mean, he would fit the regression candidate, right? It is funny. Like the, the, the, the Tyree kill affection and the Tyree's Halliburton taste.
Starting point is 00:05:46 Like one of them's a sports jerk. I mean, listen, listen, I would take Tyree's Halliburton in every fantasy draft. No, I think Tyree's Halliburton is probably a very nice guy. I don't know, you know, but on the court, he's mean. Stefan Diggs was seen flashing a pink substance on a boat, possibly bubblegum, possibly something a little more nefarious.
Starting point is 00:06:09 Mike Vrabel was not happy about it. We have a good comment here in the chat. When Adam hits into a triple play in softball, he claps in appreciation of the other team's achievement. I will tell you that last week, true story, or two weeks ago, we didn't have a game last week, we didn't have a game on Memorial Day. Some guy on the other team made a diving catch late in the
Starting point is 00:06:33 game that they were winning. And it was ended the inning. And I was coaching third and he made the catch in left field and he was coming off the field and I said a great catch to him and he said, Thank you. I even think I gave him a high five. We cool with that. The high five might be a little much. Like why not just jog with him right back in his team? He initiated it. Would you mind going out and playing right field for me this
Starting point is 00:06:57 inning? Cause I never make that. Yeah, no, it's true. In fact, I tried a similar catch later in the game. Josh Downs has a soft tissue injury. Kyle Pitts has a foot injury. Malik Neighbors has a toe injury. Same toe injury dealt with in college. None of these things are huge issues right now for us.
Starting point is 00:07:15 Russell Wilson seems entrenched right now as the Giants' number one quarterback. Meanwhile, in New Orleans, Spencer Rattler and Tyler Shuck have been competing. Jake Hayner has been out with an oblique injury or is currently out with an oblique injury. Cam Ward and Will Leves are splitting reps. Anthony Richardson and Daniel Jones are splitting reps. That's going to continue.
Starting point is 00:07:32 Every Cleveland quarterback is getting reps. Kenny Pickett getting first team reps. Everything on Twitter says Chidur Sanders is amazing. I guess he's having a pretty good camp. When you say Kenny Pickett's getting first team reps, Joe Flacco got the first first team reps though, right? Oh, I thought it was Pickett. Am I? Was it Flacco? I thought it was Flacco. Maybe it was Pickett. Maybe I saw that wrong.
Starting point is 00:07:51 You could be right about that. It doesn't quite matter at this moment. Jalen Ramsey, Dolphins Cornerback, he posted something online that said a new chapter awaits as he awaits a trade. And apparently Christian Watson is ahead of schedule in his recovery from a torn ACL. So that would be good. That was pretty late in the season when that happened. You got Joe Mixon? I don't. I'm probably missing some notes. So what's going on with Joe Mixon? He was in a walking boot but apparently also not a big deal but not ideal clearly. Okay. Anything else? Anything else you guys have seen that you want to mention?
Starting point is 00:08:26 Would you rather have your dynasty veteran in a walking boot or on a party boat? On a party boat? I think I'd rather have him in a walking boot. Is it a party boat with crystal light and a baggie?
Starting point is 00:08:47 I think it was Fun Dip. They just have, they have clear bags now. I haven't had Fun Dip in forever. If you could have Pop Rocks or Fun Dip, which one? Fun Dip. It's a mess, but Fun Dip. The stick is kind of gross though, you know? I think I'd go with Pop Rocks.
Starting point is 00:09:05 Me too. The experience. Okay. All right, let's talk about some regression candidates. What a show so far. So Heath gave me a list of regression candidates in the touchdown area. I shouldn't have said it like that. How much crystal light lemonade powder, pink lemonade powder have you had today, Adam? What the hell is going on with me today?
Starting point is 00:09:32 All right. So- Oh, touchdown there. I told that story a few days ago. It's a good one. All right. So, regression candidates with touchdowns. So, Baker may feel- so, why don you like, give me the headliner for you?
Starting point is 00:09:47 Who's the biggest regression candidate? I think the headliner is the one that I added at the last minute. And it was the lions. Oh, okay. Um, just because it's a couple of things and part of it is the absence of Ben Johnson. But Jared Goff had a 6.9% passing touchdown rate last year. The best rate of his career before that was 5.9%. His career mark is 4.8%. So Goff, a clear outlier in terms of passing touchdowns. We also saw Jamir Gibbs take a huge
Starting point is 00:10:21 step forward in rushing touchdowns. The Lions scored more than everybody basically. Sam Laporta, very high touchdown rate, the only reason he was a top 12 tight end. And so I think there's more risk than what I see reflected in drafts with the Lions, partially because of Ben Johnson leaving, partially because even if Ben Johnson was there, we should probably expect them to score fewer touchdowns next year. I always point out with Jameson Williams, how many long touchdowns he had. I don't know if that's kind of thing that you look at, but for sure. Yeah. Six touchdowns of 35 or more yards and only Jamar Chase had more Chase at seven. So I know Williams is capable of doing that, but how many targets did Jamar Chase have? He had so many and, and Williams had like a hundred or he was 91. Yeah, he was at a pace for 103.
Starting point is 00:11:15 And Jameson probably isn't like he had seven on 91 targets, which is an unsustainable rate. I don't generally predict or project any wide receiver to have higher than a 7% touchdown rate. A few of them will, but very few people besides Mike Evans do that year after year. Williams probably isn't even the biggest touchdown regression candidate in his own wide receiver room. We saw Munro St. Brown score five and six touchdowns his first two years. It ballooned when Ben Johnson showed up to 10. I guess Ben Johnson was there for half of, was in charge for half of the 22 and he sees it right.
Starting point is 00:11:49 But anyways, he had 10 on 164 targets in 2023. Last year, he had 23 fewer targets in one more game and scored two more touchdowns. So I think St. Brown also a pretty big regression candidate. The thing that's interesting about the Lions and the correlation I hope will happen is what happened in Tampa Bay. So they lose obviously a hot commodity as an offense coordinator, not the same level as Ben Johnson, but Dave Canales leaves and Liam Cohn comes in and I would say things got better. Right.
Starting point is 00:12:26 For sure. And the thing that I'm hoping for, for the Lions, and I don't disagree with anything you're saying, Heath, but the thing that I'm hoping for with the Lions is that all these guys are in their prime. The offensive line is among the best in football. They still play in a very favorable environment. And I think despite the fact that the defense is going to get better just from Hutchinson being back alone, but I think just the defense being the defense is going to get better just from Hutchinson being back alone, but I think just the defense being better because really when things took off was when Hutchinson and everybody fell apart I mean, they just lost so many guys, but
Starting point is 00:12:53 they're probably going to be in a lot of Offensive type games, you know where they're not going to just sit back and you know be conservative I just don't see that happening for them So I hope that while there will be some regression in certain areas, that these guys are still in such good spots, that they'll continue to be close to the same level of production, if not maybe exactly the same level of production. It won't happen, but you know, in certain cases you can see it because again, all these guys are still in such great situations
Starting point is 00:13:25 You know if they were losing personnel It'd be a little bit more concerning, you know, like clearly offensive lineman, you know change teams or you know not being back For the most part. It's it's the same crew Is there anyone in particular that you think is being over drafted some from what we've seen pretty much all the lines Including Gibbs and same Brown who are first round picks. Yeah, I don't see it that way. I would drive Gibbs in the first round, but I don't have him as high at running back as other people do, and I have St.
Starting point is 00:13:57 Brown early in round two. So yeah, all of them. Um, I would also point out that Jaredff, his last four games of the year, well, of the fantasy season, he scored 28, 51, 31 and 32 points and six points per passing touchdown leagues. He threw 14 touchdowns. He had a quiet week 18. But if you recall, in the month of December, the Lions had one of the one of the worst defenses in NFL history for any month. And
Starting point is 00:14:27 that's not an exaggeration. Turns out like yards per play allowed, they allowed 3148 17 and 34 points. So that I don't know if you got how much you guys look at that. But you know, that I think contributed to all of the passing and, and all of the shootouts. Um, I think a really important comment just to help people understand regression too. Darth Fork says top regression candidate, my hairline and see my hairline has already started to regress. So if it continues to regress, that would not be regression. It's, it's moving away
Starting point is 00:15:02 from what it used to be. It's just continuing to go down the same path. If regression for my hairline would be coming back, which is very unlikely. Well, they have, you know, products for that, Heath. You know, you could- I'm not going to- that's not the kind of thing I would do. All right. So Heath is a little bit lower on the Lions, but still high on the Lions. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Jamie is fine with St. Brown and Gibbs where they're going and pretty early in the first round. Dave, how do you feel in general about the Lions? I kind of feel the same way that Jamie does. I think that
Starting point is 00:15:36 this is an offense that can continue to put up big points week in and week out. And I think they're going to be in a lot of high scoring games. The guy that I get a little worried about is David Montgomery because he doesn't fit into the explosive scoreboard shootout type of game script the same way that other lions do. He can always score. And I think when you start David Montgomery and fantasy, you use a pen, you use ink to give him a touchdown every single week. It's what else he can do on top of that.
Starting point is 00:16:06 Last year he did a bunch this year. I'm wondering if that goes down a little bit. I think there's value in Jared golf. I know that on fantasy pros, he's the 10th QB off the board in our fan mock drafts. He's currently the 15th quarterback off the board. Amazing value for a guy who shouldn't fall below 20 points per game. But if they do what we think they're going to do, and it's just going to be so easy for Morton, their new play color to say, all right, what we've got all these weapons on offense. Let's just keep airing it out, whether they need to or not.
Starting point is 00:16:39 Man, I could see Jared Goff being an extremely good value, his ADP plummets because he's not sexy. He doesn't have the upside, uh, the perceived upside of a Caleb Williams or a Kyla Murray or maybe even a Trevor Lawrence. Yeah. I, you know, just golf could be great value. Um, he threw for 4,629 yards and 37 touchdowns and he was our, it was QB eight per game. So it's hard to see him being like fifth per game.
Starting point is 00:17:09 What's that? He didn't run very much. No, and he won't. He had 56 rushing yards. It's funny. You're gonna get his receiving touchdown. That's true. It's funny because David Montgomery,
Starting point is 00:17:19 I think is one of the only Lions that has a chance to outperform his ADP. I couldn't agree more. Right? You know, he's been RB 15 per game twice in a row. Yep. And in fact, he was RB 10 per 11 per game at the time of his injury
Starting point is 00:17:33 and then ended up as RB 15 per game. But that doesn't mean everything will stay the same. I mean, if they have a bigger role for Gibbs, maybe they have a smaller role for Montgomery. We don't know. All right, that's the Lions. We got more names for you after this when we come back on Fantasy Football today.
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Starting point is 00:18:50 that you wanna talk about here. He threw 41 touchdowns. I see a lot of regression here because the touchdowns but also the rushing yards. I don't know how you feel about that. 378 rushing yards. He also fumbled 13 times and only lost two of them. I bring that up a lot. So he scares me a little bit. But at the same time, I think about what Baker Mayfield did
Starting point is 00:19:12 in the last like six games or so of 2023. And he was phenomenal. And then he just continued it all throughout 2024. So how do you balance great production for almost a year and a half with some obvious regression factors? I think that's a good point is that if a player was exceptionally great and better than they've ever been, they are probably going to be a regression candidate. That's especially like if they're 24 or 25, maybe they just reached a new level
Starting point is 00:19:43 and maybe they can keep that up. If they're 29 or 30, I think even as a quarterback, it's probably better to bet on their regression. He set career highs last year in completion percentage, passing yards, passing touchdowns, yards per pass attempt, passing yards or passer rating, rushing yards, rushing yards per carry, and tightest career high and rushing touchdowns. I would not be surprised if not all but one or two of those things get worse this coming year. Baker Mayfield is currently QB seven in our early.
Starting point is 00:20:20 I was doing a podcast last night and he's actually in the fantasy pros ECR ahead of Patrick Mahomes at QB6. Is that outrageous? Because he was much better than Mahomes last year obviously. That's why it's not outrageous but I would not want to make that bet. No. Okay so far in our early ADP Dave, Mayfield's QB7, he's going 14 picks after Mahomes. He's going 78th overall, and QB8 is Bo Nix. Yeah. I have them ranked in that order.
Starting point is 00:20:58 Mahomes at six, Mayfield seven, Bo Nix eight. But I would take Mahomes like 20 spots ahead of Mayfield. And I'm not even sure if I'm going to keep Mayfield there just because I expect the regression to be really, really significant. Okay. Let's talk about James Cook. James Cook scored 16 touchdowns. I gave this stat that James Cook is only the second running back in the last eight
Starting point is 00:21:23 seasons to lead the position in rushing touchdowns. He was tied for the lead. Lead the position in rushing touchdowns and finish lower than RB5 per game. He was in PPR. He was in RB11 per game. Eighth per game in non, tenth per game in half, eleventh per game in full PPR. This is James Cook and he did that with 16 rushing touchdowns and two receiving touchdowns. Heath, when should James Cook be drafted? This one is painful to me, obviously, because I was a huge James Cook backer last year and
Starting point is 00:21:55 he kind of did it in a way that I didn't really expect. I'm still okay with him with the three-four turn, but that if you were going to put a guy's face on a regression article, James Cook would be the guy's face to put on that article. He actually had fewer rush attempts per game last year than he did in 2023. He actually had fewer receptions per game than he did in 2023. This was a full blown committee with him leading it, but way too much Ty Johnson and or Ray Davis.
Starting point is 00:22:28 And I, the volume's just not there to sustain anything close. He had four rushing touchdowns. He was on the show last year. He had four rushing touchdowns on 326 career attempts coming into the year. He had 16 rushing touchdowns on 207 attempts last year. And he's unhappy with his contract. Yes. That's a big deal.
Starting point is 00:22:48 If he holds out from training camp, I think everybody will make him one of the easiest fades in fantasy. Um, Jamie, where are you on James Cook? I'm I agree. You know, it's, uh, it's, it's tough to say, go get them. You know, him. When you have a lot of things that are potentially happening now, if he does show up for camp and he is a good soldier, does get a contract extension, that'll make things a little bit more comforting for what his potential could still be. But the touchdowns are going to come down. To whatever extent it is, it's going to be how he performs. I don't think the receptions will dramatically increase because
Starting point is 00:23:30 of how this offense is operating and will continue to operate. I don't think the carries will increase because I think they'd like Ray Davis and will give him chances to carry the ball. So if he's not probably close to 15 total touchdowns, then you're, you're looking at a guy that is closer to probably the 20th running back than the 10th. And what do you think? Oh, that's really close to where he is in my projections. I think I have him at RB 18 right now. James Cook was RB 19 per game 23 in 2023 when he had six total touchdowns,
Starting point is 00:24:03 two rushing, four receiving. He did have more catches that year. And I pointed out to Dave, the Bills ran the second fewest plays in football last year. So they ran, I think, five fewer plays per game. But they are a pretty run heavy team since Joe Brady took over. So here's my take. I wanna know what you guys think of this.
Starting point is 00:24:25 Now holdout is a different situation. If he holds out, everything changes. If he doesn't hold out, James Cook is one of my favorite picks in round three. I know this regression thing, absolutely I get it. I don't expect him to score a touchdown per game, but he is the lead running back for one of the consistently best offenses every single year. He's a factor near the goal line. It's not just Josh Allen.
Starting point is 00:24:49 I've made this point before that there have been years where Frank Gore or Latavious Murray have actually gotten their fair share of goal line carries and they just haven't done anything with it. Well, Cook led the team in goal line carries last year. He also had a lot of long runs because he's really good. He is a great player on a great offense. He is their lead running back. He is a super safe pick in round three, assuming he doesn't hold out. He's one of my favorite picks. Your thoughts? I don't think anybody's saying not to take him in round three.
Starting point is 00:25:17 But I love him in round three. I don't even have any. That's fine. You know, especially if you go, you know, receiver, receiver, and everything's lined up right for him, receiver tight end. Um, it's, it's a great spot to take a chance on a guy, like you said, in his, in this offense and what he has shown you, because even at what he produced in 2023, I think being a top 20 running back is, is something he can replicate. Yeah, exactly. How he gets there will be the interesting part of it, but
Starting point is 00:25:50 to count on him to score 16 rushing touchdowns, again, 18 total touchdowns, and to be one of the leaders in that category, I think then you're taking a little bit too much of a risk in just expecting that to be the case. If I guaranteed you his exact same total yardage and catches from 2024, but half the touchdown. So he goes from 18 to nine. Are you still taking them in around three, Adam? Uh, no round four. Okay. They, he's 13.3 PPR points per game on 16 games.
Starting point is 00:26:20 It's what he played basically. And that's if he, if his touchdowns come down by half, that's not around three guy. I don't think that's around four guy. He needs a touchdowns. I think you're like, your argument about the lead back on what is one of the best offenses in the NFL is a good one, but you have to put it in a little bit of context. He had 42% of his team's rush attempts last year. He had 46% of his team's running back targets.
Starting point is 00:26:52 Yep. Yeah, no, I don't know why the targets went out of the snaps. The targets going down was a little bit of a concern, but he had most of the running back carries. He had about two thirds of the running back carries, I believe. But that doesn't matter if you have a quarterback that runs the ball 115 times. I'm not really so worried about this.
Starting point is 00:27:10 I just feel like we're overthinking it a little bit. We want lead running backs on great offenses. And the fact that he scored six touchdowns in 2023 and was RB 19 per game, that tells me that he's got a really good chance of being a top 15 running back. By the time you get to the end of round three, you're probably somewhere around RB 15 in ADP, right?
Starting point is 00:27:29 So we always talk about drafting a guy who had his ceiling or his floor. For drafting James Cook as RB 15, again, assuming there's no holdout, I think we're drafting him pretty close to his floor because he would have to have like a six touchdown season to be worse than that, in my opinion. Or a nine touchdown season to be worse than that, in my opinion. Or a nine touchdown season. Like I said, if it's last year's workload, then a nine touchdown season would do it. Because there was a big drop in his catches last year. It was. And I just, listen, I love James Cook. All I did last summer was talk good about James Cook. So I'm not questioning his talent.
Starting point is 00:28:05 I think he's awesome. Right. I don't love the way they're divvying up touches. Yeah. They also had a lot of blowouts last year. I think that probably contributed to four carries. I would anticipate they have a lot of blowouts this year. They play the AFC East and they're awesome.
Starting point is 00:28:18 He had four touch. I think he had four touchdowns of 40 or more yards. I mean, that's good and bad, but he'll get more carries if he doesn't keep breaking away long runs. But I don't know, I think again, I don't I can't sit here and accurately predict his catches or his touches or whatever. I just know that I want the lead running back with the Buffalo Bills, especially because he's awesome. He's not just so I think I think just to sum it up
Starting point is 00:28:40 with what he said, the the you'll probably try to draft him is the three-four turn. My guess is his ADP is going to be somewhere in the middle around three. It is currently 35th. So about that, and you know what's interesting? This is just the early CBS ADP, super early. It's 35th, but the running back ADP before that, Chase Brown and Bucky Irving, they are 24th.
Starting point is 00:29:06 So right now, James Cook, Joe Mixon, Ken Walker are all going at the three, four turn. And there's nobody being drafted in between the two, three turn and the three, four turn at running back. It's Chase Brown, Bucky Irving, a whole round, James Cook, Joe Mixon, Ken Walker, and Breece Hall a couple picks later. It's not that many drafts that we're talking about here, but I just thought that was interesting. round James Cook, Joe Mixon, Ken Walker and Brice Hall a couple picks later.
Starting point is 00:29:25 Not that many drafts that we're talking about here, but I just thought that was interesting. All right, Heath, let's talk about two wide receivers. Terry McLorin, 13 touchdowns after four straight seasons with four to five touchdowns. He didn't really do it with a lot more targets or anything like that. 117 targets, 13 touchdowns. T Higgins, 109 targets in 12 games and 10 touchdowns as Higgins finished as a top five wide receiver on a per game basis. McLaurin was 16th. You think about that. McLaurin 16th per game in PPR with 13 touchdowns. Who concerns you more? McLaurin
Starting point is 00:30:00 or Higgins? Mclaurin, I feel really good. Like how you feel about taking James Cook in round three, I feel that if you happen to get Higgins in round three and I'm okay with him late in round two, I think he's probably going to score fewer touchdowns, but I still think he's going to be awesome. Mclaurin worries me a lot because he did not do anything different or special last year, besides score a touchdown on 12% of his targets, which is like double what you might expect from a really great wide receiver and triple what Terry McLoran's done throughout his entire career.
Starting point is 00:30:36 Before last year, his targets went down last year by 15. His catches were not a career high. His yards were the third best of his career. It was just that Terry McLaurin scored a lot of touchdowns and those are the biggest red flag guys for me. So I would really not, like I've got Terry McLaurin, I think right behind James Cook and so it's the three, four turn again, but I don't want to take him early in round three, which is why I kind of get stuck at wide receiver because he's still a top 15 wide receiver for me in the rankings. But I don't love that
Starting point is 00:31:08 range. It's very interesting because obviously the touchdowns come in the first year with Jaden Daniels, the team through 29 touchdowns, which is the most in any year of Terry McLaurin's career. Previous high for Washington was 24 touchdowns. And the other factor is he was among the NFL leaders in end zone targets. He got a ton of those 16 end zone targets. His previous career high was 11. He had 15 end zone targets the previous two seasons. Then McLaurin had 16 last year. So that so Heath has some trepidation there with McLaurin. Dave, how do you feel about him? I feel the same way. I do think he can do
Starting point is 00:31:51 better than four or five touchdowns. That's what he had in 2022 and 2023. But all of his receiving metrics are basically the same from last year compared to his prior two years. The only difference is the end zone targets that you just talked about. That might be something that just comes with the territory moving forward. Not only a Jane Daniels thing, but a Cliff Kingsbury thing as well.
Starting point is 00:32:15 And it makes sense, he's your best receiver. He can find ways to get open, throw him the ball in the paint. And so that could continue a little bit. I wouldn't have a problem projecting McLaurin for eight touchdowns. And now that we know what his numbers are pretty much gonna be, targets wise, catch wise, yardage wise,
Starting point is 00:32:33 man, like you can kind of set your watch to an expectation for McLaurin and draft them accordingly. And Jamie, where are you on McLaurin who had 1096 yards and 13 touchdowns in 17 games? I think there's, you know, two ways to look at his, you know, expectation for this year is one is that the hope is Jaden Daniels gets better and just the passing game continues to flourish in Washington. And he's still going to be the biggest benefactor of that as the lead receiver.
Starting point is 00:33:01 The other part of this is they added Debo Samuel. So those red zone opportunities may not necessarily disappear, but may get a little bit dicey because of what Debo is able to do from not just catching the ball, but also running the ball. So it's sort of, I think, levels it out a little bit. You have to expect fewer touchdowns. That's just the nature of a player like this, like Keith said. I think there are two guys to me that sort of fall into this range of receivers that are going to get drafted and they're touchdown dependent. It's Terry McClellan and Cortland Sutton.
Starting point is 00:33:30 They're both, I think, have top 20 upside. They both have the potential to lead their team. They're both with second year quarterbacks that showed a lot of promise in their rookie campaign. But if the touchdowns disappear, then it's going to be tough to say that they're must-start wide receivers. They'll still be good. They'll still be starters in three receiver leagues, but will
Starting point is 00:33:46 they be starters in two receiver leagues consistently? So if you're concerned about those numbers coming down, now Sutton has done it two years in a row, you know, eight plus touchdowns each the last two years with the same coach. Is this really just an outlier for McClure, or is he starting to get to a point where now you're seeing the talent come through and it's, you know, because he got a better quarterback and a better coaching staff to help him, you know, bring those things out. So I think again, we're, we're, we're talking about the range to draft him, uh, round three,
Starting point is 00:34:15 four ish, depending on, you know, where the receivers are on your draft board, that's the right range for those guys. So it's a receiver heavy drafts. He's probably going to go in around three. If it's not, he's probably going to go around four. Maybe he sneaks in around five. Uh, but you're still talking about a guy that should be considered a top 20 receiver with the hope that he can get close to 10 touchdowns.
Starting point is 00:34:30 And I think anything over eight would be a good season for him. If the numbers data. Uh, Adam, there were two good Dave. Go ahead. Uh, let's go to Dave real quick. If you take away five touchdowns from his numbers last year, that's eight touchdowns. It's 14 PPR points per game. That's fine in round four.
Starting point is 00:34:47 That's good. Yeah, that's good. Yeah. No complaints. No. You're up. There were two wide receivers for the Washington commanders last year besides Terry McLaurin who scored more than one touchdown last year.
Starting point is 00:35:00 Two of them scored and funny, one of them scored three, the other one scored two. So can you name don't know, stop looking at your monitor. Who were the two wide receivers who scored more than one touchdown for the commanders that were not named Terry McQueen? Yeah, Diami Brown. Diami Brown only had one. No, he had two. Noah Brown only had one. No, Noah Brown had three. I have no idea. Alameda Zaccheaus. Yeah. Right. His Falcons revenge game. And Jameson Crowder.
Starting point is 00:35:30 I think the Diami Brown actually led the team. Let me double check. Diami Brown led the team in targets? No, Zacher said in the playoffs. Oh, Diami Brown led the team in receiving yards in the playoffs. I will give one optimistic outlook here for McLaurin. I wanna know what you guys think of it.
Starting point is 00:35:50 So the first five starts for Jaden Daniels, he averaged 26.2 pass attempts per game. In his sixth start, he left, I think he threw two passes, got hurt against the Titans, or was it the Titans? Someone bad. And then, whatever, that game doesn't count. The next, well, I mean, I'm not going to start a game he barely played. I'm not going to count that. The next nine starts, 33.3 pass attempts per
Starting point is 00:36:19 game for Jayden Daniels. So I see McLaurin with 117 targets. If Jayden Daniels is really throwing 33 times a game, I think we're going to get more like 130 targets, at least for McLaurin. I don't know, you know, what you project for pass attempts. That's kind of a lot for a mobile. So you're talking about week eight through week 17 last year? Yeah. Terry McLaurin was on pace for 106 targets.
Starting point is 00:36:46 What? You had a low target share then. He had 12 in week 18. Oh, we haven't even mentioned that. Devo Samuel, did we? Yeah, we did. Jamie did. All right. Did we mention commercial break? Because we got to do one of those. We'll talk about three tight ends who have touchdown regression coming their way. Hope, maybe, hopefully in one case, in two cases, hopefully not in another. We'll be right back to talk about some tight ends
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Starting point is 00:38:23 Travis Kelsey was the number seven tight end per game with three touchdowns on 147 targets. Travis Kelsey was the number seven tight end per game with three touchdowns on 133 targets. And then you got Mark Andrews, number eight tight end per game in full PPR with 11 touchdowns, which led the position, blew away everyone else, on only 69 targets. That is insane. All right, Heath, break it down.
Starting point is 00:38:43 Who's got the most regression coming? McBride, Kelsey, Andrews? I think McBride definitely has the most regression coming. But also, it may be the least interesting because everybody knows it. And everybody's hoping for it. And everybody's drafting them like it's definitely gonna happen. And so you could tell me that some people have been concerned about McBride because Marvin Harrison is going to take a step forward. I think there's absolutely room for Shreya McBride to lose a target per game, take 17 targets away.
Starting point is 00:39:09 And he makes up for that with touchdowns, even if he still has a low touchdown rate. I don't generally project anybody for lower than a 4% touchdown rate at the tight end position. And his was way lower than that. So wouldn't be surprised if he triples his touchdowns from last year to make up for any lost targets to Harrison. I think Kelsey's the most interesting because everybody's worried about the decline. And it's that number you said that they're so important as 133 targets. Like he was, he didn't, he was bad.
Starting point is 00:39:40 He was bad in terms of efficiency. And still the only reason he wasn't a top four tight end is because of some crazy bad touchdown luck. Was it bad touchdown luck? He got fewer end zone targets. He doesn't do anything after the catch. I'm not sure it was a little bit of bad touchdown luck. But also was it just he's not that good anymore. I think that's what the fact that he really saw a huge drop in his yak. We're talking about Travis Kelsey here and his explosive play rate was 11% last year, explosive plays per target. In his prime, Travis Kelsey's explosive play rate was regularly over 22%.
Starting point is 00:40:17 So we were talking about a guy who is making plays, explosive plays half as frequently now. So was that a reason for it? Or, you know, was it just bad luck? I think I look at the fewer end zone targets. I look at just less playmaking ability and thinking he's, you know, maybe just not going to be reliable for touchdowns. I don't know. Well, I think it's instructive to talk about your favorite player. He had 10 more targets than Tyree Kill last year. Their Yak was basically the same,
Starting point is 00:40:47 which is really tells you something about Tyree Kill. No, because Tyree Kill's A-Dot was probably double Kelsey's. Their Yak was basically the same and Tyree Kill scored twice as many touchdowns. Yeah, okay. Yak and A-Dot have got to be mentioned together. Kelsey's A-Dot was 6.6 yards, I think. I'm guessing Tyreeke's was about 12.
Starting point is 00:41:06 11. 11. Okay, that's a huge difference there. But the year before, Kelsey was at five and Tyreke was at five and a half. So they saw a similar drop in their yuck. Okay. Yeah, but Tyreke was just hurt, he's fine. Uh.
Starting point is 00:41:22 Yeah, I don't know what to expect from Kelsey. I mean, the targets, he barely played with Rice, right? Remember how bad he was the first three weeks with Rashi Rice on the field? How many targets did he get those weeks? Four, three, and five. After that, 19 targets in his next two games with Rashi Rice hurt, right? So I think that's another thing to think about here is if Rice is healthy and worthy is taking the next step, what are we looking at for Travis Kelsey?
Starting point is 00:41:50 Yikes. Also, the is the game plan the same, you know, get to the end of the season, then start to ramp him up a little bit. As we saw going into the playoffs with the hope that it's another Super Bowl run and he can get his reign again and maybe then call it quits. But I think just based on who he has been, who he's still playing with, and the group of tight ends that you're talking about that are getting drafted around him, that's what
Starting point is 00:42:17 you're banking on. You're still banking on his, and this is name over game, which I hate, but this is really what you're you're looking at here and you know like I think he should go after in a joke I don't know if ADP will reflect that it doesn't it's not it doesn't go that way in in best ball draft so far like you can see the flaws for Andrews which I know I'm sure we'll talk about you could see the flaws for John Smith you know you talked about this Adam that you know, one year wonder maybe of what
Starting point is 00:42:48 his, you know, late career breakout. Maybe. You know, these Tucker Craft has never done it to this level, you know. So whatever tight ends you're sort of putting in this range, you know, after really like tight end six or so, then he's worth the gamble. But I think you just have to understand, like it's been two years of this, of him not being that type of guy. Two years ago, he was still really good.
Starting point is 00:43:12 Last year, he really fell off cliff. And if Rice is back to 100%, if Worthy is as legit as he showed at the end of the season, if Marquis Brown is a factor after what, not really having an impact at all last year, like this could be a target crunch for Kelsey, which he's never seen. Yeah. Additionally, here are the end zone target leaders for the Chiefs last year. Number one was Deandre Hopkins with eight. That's wild. Worthy with eight. Noah Gray with six.
Starting point is 00:43:39 Travis Kelsey with five. And here's their pass rate rank from inside the five yard line over the last five seasons. The Chiefs were third, then ninth, then third, then fifth. Last year, they were 14th. And then Heath, I wonder how do you combine this Kelsey low touchdown rate with also Mahomes, right? It's not like Mahomes had a low touchdown rate the last few years at four and a half percent, but for him, those are by far the lowest of his career. Trey Lockerbie Yeah, and I don't think that Patrick Mahomes is washed. So, I would expect some, like we expected regression last year, we didn't get it. I think Dave's going to talk about it later. We expect regression from Mahomes again this year. We expect him to be better than he was in terms of yards and I would say in terms of touchdowns, then he's been the last two years.
Starting point is 00:44:25 And that will be a part of Travis Kelsey scoring more touchdowns. If he does, I think the concerns you guys brought up about. Targets and if rice and if worthy, those are all really valid. They're just like, what we're looking at is what the guy did on the opportunity he had and kind of assuming the opportunity is going to stay relatively the same without somebody important being added to the mix. Maybe Rice will be a hundred percent and not suspended and maybe Worthy will continue what he did without Rice at the end of the year. It's also could be those guys opening up just easier paths to success for Kelsey because
Starting point is 00:44:58 now you have so many different ways to hurt defenses that okay, the 36 year old tight end is not going to be the problem. It's more the speed on the outside and what Rice is doing maybe in the middle of the field as well. So while he may lose some targets, he may benefit just based on, you know, not as much bracket coverage and, you know, teams just really trying to take him away because they know how much he needs to mobs. He'll never be double teamed if Rice and worthy be get become even more established in the chief's offense. Defenses won't be scared by Kelsey. Kelsey will be my home second read on every single third down in red zone play at worst. So I think he still sees a good amount of targets.
Starting point is 00:45:40 Let's not forget that like last year he totally sucked. No one was happy with him. Still average 12.2 PPR points per game, which for a tight end is pretty damn still better than San La Porta, which is crazy, but also factual. My biggest issue I think is those first three games and the fact that he just wasn't being targeted when there's where she writes rice was on the field. It's easy to forget about those but man, this is a, sometimes you wonder, hmm, is this guy in decline? I'm not sure. It's so clear, right? It just, yeah, he can't run
Starting point is 00:46:14 anymore. It's just at a position where 12 or 13 fantasy points is still really good. You're talking about a guy that's declined from 18 to 20 fantasy points or 17 to 19 fantasy points, whatever it was. It's just perspective. What is ADP is so far. I didn't want to talk about Mark Andrews with 69 targets and 11 touchdowns and 17 games. And he was tight end six per game and non PPR seventh per game in half PPR and eighth per game and full PPR. And that was actually a bad season for Mark Andrews who had been top five per game in PPR and five straight seasons before finishing eighth last year.
Starting point is 00:46:52 Heath, are you optimistic for Mark Andrews? No, not at all. I'm faking my ranking to make up for the fact that he comes out as tight in 16 in the projections. Oh, what is your ranking? 10 or 11. I'd much rather draft Kelsey. I would too. Jamie, Kelsey or Andrews?
Starting point is 00:47:18 Oh, Kelsey. Okay. I'd rather draft Hawkinson. I'd rather draft Tucker Graft. I've got two rookies ahead of Mark Andrews. That might be a little too far, but I'm worried about his touchdowns coming down, his volume not rebounding. We know how a lot of the other touchdowns in Baltimore were scored last year.
Starting point is 00:47:43 I don't think Derek Henry is being written out of the game plan whatsoever. So is his Mark Andrews gonna score a ton of touchdowns like he did last year? I'm going to bet against that. I kind of view Andrews the way you cook Adam though, like top pass catcher on a great offense and not the, but he's not the top pass catcher. Well, he's not, I'm not saying he's the top pack, a top pass. Okay. Sure. Yeah. On, on, on a great offense. And he's talked about this, maybe a month or so ago about, you know, just like who Mark Andrews has been. And you know, like, again, when you look at this position, think about some of the names that we just said, like Dave said, the two rookies, they could easily be better than him. I mean, there's so much potential for those guys, but there's so many ifs for them as
Starting point is 00:48:27 well and what rookie tight ends have done. And so when you start to get into that jumbled mix, like we're hoping for Tucker Kraft to take a step forward. And I think a lot of it's for him to do that, it's probably going to be scoring more touchdowns. Well, we know what this offense has been in Green Bay in terms of the lack of targets for everybody and so many mouths to feed. And they just drafted two guys in the first three rounds of the NFL draft that are probably going to have some opportunities.
Starting point is 00:48:48 And maybe Christian Watson comes back sooner than we think. So it's just this group of tight ends. Like Andrew's Dakar accident, we don't know how much that played a factor in the beginning part of the season. Then the second half of the season, he took off, but played a bigger role and had certainly more production, a lot of it again being the touchdowns. But how much of it is what Harbaugh has said this offseason when the thought was they might
Starting point is 00:49:11 get rid of him and maybe likely has a big role. All these things could change and Hopkins being there, that could certainly take away some touchdowns as well based on what he's done, but we're asking that from a 30 plus year old receiver also. So I think Lamar Jackson really relies on Mark Ganges quite a bit and relies on him in the red zone. We know that as much as Jackson runs, he does not run near the goal line as much as some of these other running quarterbacks, Justin Fields in particular. I just think that there's still an opportunity for him to get more chances and still be an eight plus touchdown guy. And so when you get to the back half of the tight end, the top 10 tight ends, he
Starting point is 00:49:46 still belongs there in my opinion. To Dave's point of what he said about Kelsey and Mahomes being tied together with the touchdown rate. That's definitely the case with Lamar Jackson. His six seasons as a starter, 9% when he won the MVP back in 2019, 6.9, 4.2, 5. two, five point three, and then back up to eight point six last year. So, Lamar is definitely a touchdown passing touchdown regression guy too. Oh man. How did he not win the MVP last year?
Starting point is 00:50:17 Unbelievable. Yeah, he was definitely up. It was Rob. Well, because it was just a makeup. People recognize that maybe they should have given it to Alan the year before. So they gave it to Alan this year to make up for it. The premise of Josh, Alan should have won the MVP in 2023 is so silly. He he got basically was one of the reasons why his offensive coordinator got fired
Starting point is 00:50:38 because he threw so many interceptions. And you're telling me he should have won the MVP. I would just like for Matt Weber to recognize that. I'm not saying this Adam. I love Josh Allen. I might be the only, does anybody have him as QB1? I do. Okay, I do too.
Starting point is 00:50:54 I love Josh Allen, but he did not deserve the MVP last year. Lamar Jackson should be a three time MVP winner. It was ridiculous. And what was the first one? Was he the first one ever to win the AP? Like whatever it was like, you know, the time you're at? Yes. And not when the MVP, which is the same exact voters, I believe vote for two awards and he won the one that was like a month before a few weeks before and he didn't win the MVP was so stupid. All right. It is
Starting point is 00:51:22 a it is pretty interesting that probably our two most active members in the chat, one's a Ravens fan and one's a Bills fan. Is that right? Look at this. Adam, finally right. Thank you, Mr. Popinski. Appreciate that. Mr. Popinski, so named after Soda Popinski of Punch Out.
Starting point is 00:51:42 I don't know how. One of the best things I've ever done, one of my crowning achievements is beating Mike Tyson in Mike Tyson's punch out. I tried again a few weeks ago against like Mr. Dream because I don't have punch out, but same guy as Mike Tyson. I don't have to like Mike Tyson's punch out.
Starting point is 00:51:57 It is impossible. I mean, whoo, that is like video games used to be so hard. It's really difficult. I don't know how I did it, but I'm happy I did. Okay. All right, Dave, we don't have time for all these guys. I'm sorry, but yards regression. You got Saquon, Derek Henry with crazy yardage totals
Starting point is 00:52:17 and total yards. You have their total yards listed here, I'm assuming. Yeah, over 2,100 total yards for each of them. Yeah, and almost 2 total yards for each of them. Yeah, and almost 2300 for Barkley. Aaron Jones, 1546 total yards. Yeah. With Saquon and Henry specifically, your level of concern? It's pretty high for Saquon, less so for Derek Henry because sake one took on more work and I just I don't think anybody should ever doubt Derek Henry Saquon had almost 500 total touches last year the previous two times. He had at least 350 touches in the season
Starting point is 00:52:57 He came back with worse numbers worse point-per-game numbers in fantasy the following year missed miss some games the following year. And I think you should bake in some sort of regression, be it because of health or just overall efficiency when it comes to Saquon this year. I don't like him as the number one running back. I don't like him as the number two running back either. I think if I can get him middle of round one as the third best running back in fantasy, I'll do it. But I'm not targeting Saquon in drafts. The most telling number for me with Saquon is there have been eight other 2,000 yard rushers and every single one of them have declined by over 500 yards the previous, the
Starting point is 00:53:43 next season. Every single one. So six of them, six of the eight were over 800 yards less the following season. So I made some future bets yesterday and I was looking at Saekwon's prop for the season. It was 1,500 rushing yards. I was like, oh that's interesting because again the number comes down, but if it comes down only 500 He's still over this number. So it's uh, it's it's um It's tough to say he's gonna get close to that it's easy to say he's gonna regress and and to what level is is really the concerning part of it because not just again the History of 2,000 yard rushers. It's also all the work as Dave alluded to you know, the
Starting point is 00:54:24 It's just scary that he could uh, he could really be at this point Which I hate to say because I love say one but it's just it's just yeah The the historical side of this is just not on his side Derek Henry went from 2027 yards in 16 games to 937 yards in eight games the following year. But actually, yeah, he did hurt his foot. He went from 5.4 yards per carry to 4.3,
Starting point is 00:54:51 and then 4.4, and then 4.2, and then last year, Derrick Henry averaged 5.9 yards per carry. It was- Change teams, different scheme. I know, but that's insane. That's insane. That's insane. That can't happen again. Heath, I'm gonna let you answer this
Starting point is 00:55:09 as I think the phrasing of it will suit you. I haven't drafted Derrick Henry once in any of our drafts. I really don't think I have. I was just looking at a few. I can't remember ever drafting him so far in our 2025 mocks. What's wrong with me? I don't know if it has anything to do with Derrick. I'll just say I've just been sitting here silent during this segment because I said enough things about historical precedents and Zayquan Barkley and Derek Henry last off
Starting point is 00:55:35 season that I just had to sit in the corner. But I agree. That there's something wrong with me. Well it sounds like like the common what's the common denominator between losing to Dan and tennis and being the worst softball player in the league and not being able to beat a kid's video game? I think that what's wrong with you is probably something related to coordination or dexterity. I OK, softball. I'm terrible. Tennis. I'm better. I'm really good at punch out. Like
Starting point is 00:56:06 beating Super Macho Man is not easy. I'll tell you that. You know what I'm talking about people. That will come back on you. Yeah, please make a GIF of that. GIF. You got your wish though. We're back to make it funny. Yeah, I think I set myself up pretty well at this show. You got your wish though. We're back to making fun of you. Yeah. I think I set myself up pretty well at this show. GIF, GIF, whatever. Listen, Adam, you're picking 10th overall in a fantasy draft. You get the receiver of your choice in round one.
Starting point is 00:56:36 Derrick Henry's there in round two. Are you taking him? It's funny you mention that because in a league where I had the ninth overall pick, I took Nico Collins, my receiver of choice. And then when I was up again with the fourth pick of round two, Derek Henry was already off the board. Now you took him. If he had been on the board, I would have taken Brian Thomas Jr. over him. And that's probably it. Maybe AJ Brown. Once AJ Brown's off the board, we're talking Drake, London, Bucky Irving, Jonathan Taylor, I'm definitely taking Henry over those guys. But I think I would
Starting point is 00:57:09 probably need to have pick 1011 or 12 for me to end up with Derek Henry. Because that I would take him in the second round with one of those first three picks. I think his average job is going to be around one though. It may be full PPR. It's 14.5 right now. It was a lot higher than we thought it would be last year. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:57:30 Yeah. Chat today. It's been really good, very sharp, very sharp. I think we can hide the comment Heath. I think it's been on there long enough. You hadn't seen it, so I needed to do a reaction. Okay. Well, that's it for, oh, wait, hold on one second.
Starting point is 00:57:48 I want to read an Apple podcast question. I have to bring it up. What are you guys up to this weekend? Baseball practice. Wedding ring shopping. Okay. He doesn't know what happened to you. Okay. He does not happen to you. No. Monday is my wife's birthday. It's also Memorial Day. We go to the beach. I'm playing catch with my son on the beach. Next
Starting point is 00:58:15 thing I know my wedding band is off my hand. Don't know where it is. It's somewhere in the Atlantic Ocean. Wife's not happy. I freak out. Anybody know any good jewelers? Yeah, taking your wedding band off when you go to the beach is a bold move, especially if you're with your wife. You didn't take, did you take your wedding ring off? I was playing catch with it. It fell off. I don't think you should play catch with your wedding ring either. I probably shouldn't have, but I did because I'm a moron and now I'm an even bigger moron because I don't have a wedding band. I just don't have but I did because I'm a moron and now I'm an even bigger moron because I don't have a Wedding band. I just don't understand how she get mad at you for this though, like if you had taken it off like Tahit's scenario
Starting point is 00:58:56 I Don't know but everywhere I go now there are women that are much friendlier to me than they were last week go now there are women that are much friendlier to me than they were last week. Some 70 year olds out there with a metal detector and he found 100% yeah for sure they're gonna get themselves an amazing hundred and fifty dollar wedding band. I know right they're not even like I thought on clear it's at zales I don't wear mine I never wear mine is that bad I rarely wear mine you probably just don't wear mine. I never wear mine. Is that bad? I rarely wear mine. You probably just don't love being married. I love being married, but I hate wearing jewelry. Not my thing.
Starting point is 00:59:32 All right. I don't have any Apple podcast questions. I saw we had some new comments, but they are all just comments, which I appreciate. Thank you. Nice five star reviews. Appreciate that. But no questions in there. So I won't read any. I don't want the show to end. I'm having so much fun, but it will end. We will talk to you on Monday with a new, oh, four shows a week next week. It's June, so we'll have four shows a week. Good stuff.
Starting point is 00:59:55 We'll talk to you then on Fantasy Football.

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