Fantasy Football Today - Reviewing Injuries, Backfield Battles, Ranking Disputes & More! (11/21 Fantasy Football Dynasty Podcast)

Episode Date: November 22, 2023

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We've got Scott Barrett from Fantasy Points here. I cannot wait to get into the data he's brought to the show for us today. On today's show, we've got advanced stats, running backs, wide receivers. We might even talk a little bit quarterbacks, but mostly running backs and pass catchers. We're going to dive into some messy backfields. The Ravens, the Vikings, the Steelers, the Seahawks. I think we need to ask about Brian Robinson.

Check in on him. He's been fantastic the last couple of weeks. And of course, we'll talk Puka and Tank Dell. Jacob's here. We've got to talk Puka, and I want to talk about Tank Dell every week. Scott, first, I'd like to just get things started, though. Let people know what you've got going talk Puka and I want to talk about Tank Dell every week. Scott, first, I'd like to just get things started, though. Let people know what you've got going on at Fantasy Points. And thank you for being here with us.

Yeah, thanks for having me. FantasyPoints.com, best kept secret in the industry. Kind of don't want it to remain a secret, but really do think we're the best. Right now, 80% off our standard and premium subscriptions. The Fantasy Points data suite is 75% off. So you're looking at 50 bucks for that, 30 bucks for premium, the highest we offer. And yeah, we launched Fantasy Points data, I don't know, six months ago, and we couldn't be any prouder with that product. Really think we have the best data, the most accurate data in the industry.

A bunch of cool stats that no one else has. And just the level of customization we offer is unparalleled. Really, the only thing you can compare it to are products that sites are spending $15,000, $25,000 for. And right now you can purchase this for the rest of the year for only $50. You know, I probably should just ask Jacob Gibbs because it's not a secret to anybody who follows him on Twitter. I don't know what you're paying him to promote fantasy points on Twitter, but it's worth it. Jacob, why don't you just tell everybody, what are your two or three favorite stats that you've been practicing?

Real quick. Yeah. Jacob has been my favorite person in the world because he's brought us such amazing publicity. I hadn't heard of you until maybe about week one or week two, and you immediately became one of my favorite followers. I have you on notifications. You're one of only like seven people. And not just, you know, I appreciate the publicity, but like these are great tweets, great stats. You're using this the right way. You know what you're looking at.

You know what's actionable. You know what's predictive. And so, yeah, you're like the ideal power user, Jacob. So you could probably pitch this better than I could. Power user, let's go. Yeah, you said best kept secrets. And I was like, I'm doing my best to make it not. There's so much in the data sweep. If you follow me, you see me talking about it regularly.

It's just really, it's a dream come true for me. Like I've been using TrueM media for so long and true media is amazing obviously but so often i have to tell people just like no you you can't get where can i get this information where can i get this data i'm like you can't like it's it's not really accessible publicly like you can follow me and read my work but like otherwise no um but like now that we have fantasy point status we the answer is a yes and that's really cool um love the first read stuff of course all the matchup based stuff um then we're going to talk about that in more detail some of the new tools that's really good for

in-season stuff for dfs players which i i love um obviously today is more of a dynasty-based show, but I think that there are a lot of applications for that as well. This is something that Heath and I talked about with Dwayne McFarlane. This offseason is wide receivers who are able to consistently beat man coverage early in their career. That's a great signal. That's a long-term signal. That's not just a matchup-based thing that you can use in the season. That's a great signal. That's a long-term signal. That's not just a matchup-based thing that you can use in the season. That's also something that's relevant down the line for Dynasty players.

So love, love, love the data suite. Think we're really only beginning to scratch the surface of the capabilities with it, which is really exciting. And I think it's an important point because we are going to talk about some rest-of-season stuff, some weekly stuff, some matches. But just because you're in a dynasty league doesn't mean this season doesn't matter.

In fact, for about half the league, the next six or seven weeks matter a lot more than everything else. And for half the league, you're trying to take advantage of that. You can probably use some of this information to sell some guys for a little bit better pick than maybe you were going to get before, because it is that time of year. We're definitely going to talk some trade stuff on today's show, but it's like, I know I've got a trade deadline hitting today. I had a couple of trade deadlines that just passed on Monday, but it's, it's the time of year to kind of make that move. If you have a trade deadline in your league, we do always start with three questions for the guests. So three questions for Scott Barrett.

Scott, we talk now about targets per route run, yards per route run. Those types of things are becoming more and more mainstream. You see, especially on Twitter, you hear, I remember five years ago, definitely six, seven years ago, you didn't even hardly hear those terms. So what is the one advanced stat that you think people are not paying enough attention to yet that maybe in three or four years we'll see a lot more? Yeah, you mentioned yards per route run. That's like the GOAT receiver efficiency metric.

It's just so powerful, so important, so predictive. Really, ESPN had their wide receiver rankings, and it had Darius Slayton at 11, and it had Tyreek Hill at 18. Really, all you need to do, I think, for great wide receiver rankings is just sort by yards per route run. That's how good that metric is. Targets per route run, I actually think, is a little overrated, or at least you need more context when you're looking at that. I think nine times out of 10, though, target share kind of beats out targets per route run in terms of what you're trying to do. But to me, like the best metric, like if I could only pick one is hands down, XFP expected fantasy

points. This is one of the metrics that helped me make my name on the DFS side. I've been talking about this since 2016, and it's still, in my opinion, one of the most underrated metrics there is. It's basically a catch-all stat to measure a player's volume, like a raw number. What is this player's usage and volume worth measured by? So I use a 10 year sample of play by play data, looking at every single carry by down and distance and distance from the end zone, every single target by distance from the end zone and air yards on that throw.

So obviously deep targets are worth more than targets behind the line of scrimmage and zone targets. Red zone targets are worth more than targets coming from the 50 yard line. And you just add all those up and it basically tells you who has the best volume and fantasy. We know that's more predictive. predicts touchdown it's expected touchdowns predicts touchdowns in the following season better than actual touchdowns you see the same thing with xfp especially at the running back position which is a position that's driven so much more by raw volume than it is efficiency that's awesome stuff and actually my second question was going to be about xfp so i want to dig a little bit deeper into that since since you went ahead and brought it up, because that's basically, that's telling you what the average running back or wide receiver would do with this opportunity. So how do you suggest somebody when they're looking at it and they say, well, this guy is way outperforming his role, his volume, or he's way underperforming his volume. How do we know

when that's a, well, he's just a lot better than everybody else, or he's just not as good as everybody else, or he's been unlucky or he's been lucky. This is absolutely where I start losing people. So contrasting actual fantasy points versus expected fantasy points. Um, it's a blend of art and science to try and determine that question you just asked how much of this is oh this player's due for a positive or negative regression how much of it is oh this player's just really awesome and like you know just i don't care that devon a chain is averaging 10 touches and 30 fantasy points per game because he really might just be the second coming of Chris Johnson. And like, that is like my opinion on it. Like he's right now looking like the

biggest negative regression candidate I've seen in maybe five years, something like since, since rookie season Tyree kill. Right. But he might, this is a game fantasy football is a game that's driven by outliers these players who are just so much better than uh everyone else that's tyree kill that's early career obj that's rob gronkowski and i mean it's it's hard to say this with with my chest out only three full game sample size but i do lean more towards uh a chain as sort of you know a transcendent player in that regard uh you look at the top negative regression candidates uh there's a chain there's raheem muster that's part of it too by the way it's just like mike mcdaniel is a god uh and then there's tyreek

hill and christian mccaffrey it's like nope those guys are just really damn good um and then you look at positive regression candidates. So players who are falling well short of their volume based expectation measured by XFP. And you see names like Damian Pierce, Traylon Burks, Alexander Madison. And you have like Tony Pollard. Like Tony Pollard, I'm still maintaining like he is due for a positive regression. The fantasy points are going to come. He's running really bad near the end zone, especially. That's something we know really tends to regress the mean.

I don't think Mike McCarthy is using him in an optimal way, and that's kind of impacting him. But I do, you know, right now he's what a low end RB rb2 by production and a low-end rb1 by by volume i think you know throughout the remainder of the season we should expect at least like high-end rb2 production but then damian pierce like yeah he's just kind of dead to me i don't think he's a fit for this offense and we've heard bobby slowick basically say exactly that and And we've seen Devin Singletary smash these last two weeks. And so, of course, with this poor efficiency is, you know, he was already like, I think Singletary already out snapped him in his last game before injury. So that's not a regression candidate to me. That's just a player I'm writing off. Alexander Madison, I think, sort of the same thing there.

Robert Woods. I'm not betting on a Robert Woods resurgence. I think he's just dusty. So again, it's a blend of art and science. And this is where I lose people. This is where it gets tricky. All I can really say is just read my article where I try and kind of filter through this. Well, you lost Jacob Gibbs. He's currently deleting all past tweets promoting the site because you said something negative

about Damien Fierce. And he does not want to hear that. But hold on, hold real quick real quick I love Damian Pierce I was like I I was so high on him coming out I think he's awesome uh I just don't think he's a fit for this uh zone based Mike McDaniel uh running off and so we we've seen this before you like how many day two running backs have be drafted who just are immediately outplayed by random like udfas and round seven picks there's something to this scheme and we heard bobby slowick basically said i i don't have the exact quote but it was you know maybe like right before singletary started to you know supplant him in the the the pecking order was something like listen he's a great player, but dot, dot, dot, like,

he just doesn't fit this scheme is like how I interpreted it at the very least. Jacob, Jacob, I think that that kind of gray area where we're, we're looking at these outliers and definitely like the first four weeks of the season, Puka was one. It's like, how far is he going to regress? We know he's not going to keep doing this, but it gives me a little bit of comfort because it's, it's not like the, the, the stats are going to completely do this but it gives me a little bit of comfort because it's it's not like that the the stats are going to completely do our job we still have to determine which of these guys are really good and which of these guys are bound for regression right yeah yeah no i think it's a good point i really like this whole discussion it's gonna it's kind of a a bigger one uh and

like more uh less dynasty focused i feel like um So I don't really know which direction to take it. But yeah, the Damien Pierce stuff bums me out so much, man. I hit on Houston's offense. I really thought they were going to be a lot better. I was super high on Tank Dell coming into the year and CJ Stroud. And I just thought Pierce was so freaking good that he would be part of that. You know, rising tide lifts all ships. But no, yeah, he's not a good fit for it.

Well, and that's also, and I'll's also and it's got i'll go right back to you here in a second but that's also like the narrative with the the damien pierce archetype where the the day three or the udfa running back who even if they're really good it doesn't take very much to go wrong for them to disappear like james Robinson was legitimately very, very good. And then one thing went wrong and it's not, so I just think like that's the problem with counting too much on running back talent when there's not a huge investment in them. Go ahead, Scott.

I will say with Damian Pierce, people look at him as a day three pick, but he, you know, if he went two picks earlier, he would have been a day two pick. he you know if he went two picks earlier he would have been a day two pick and then he got the most money ever like the most bonus money ever for a day three pick he really did believe in him uh thought he was more talented than where he ultimately fell uh on damian pierce i just pulled up the fantasy points data suite and here's exactly what i was talking to so in man gap uh rushing concepts, Damian Pierce is more efficient

than Devin Singletary 4.3 yards per carry to 4.1, but in zone concept runs, Damian Pierce is averaging 2.35 yards per carry versus Devin Singletary is 4.1. And what is this? This is a zone based rushing attack. And so it just not a clear fit for him. But I think you brought up a great point that I think dynasty players consistently miss, and that's regime uncertainty. Or a changing in a new GM or a new head coach specifically or a new offensive coordinator really muddies the evaluation and uh i think damian pierce is a perfect example that well it's a brand new uh you know scheme that you know the previous scheme was like oh this guy would be a great he's a great talent and he's a great fit for us uh you also saw that with like lavisca chanel who like one of the when he was drafted by jacksonville they were like uh don't expect much this year but we have a clear vision in mind for him and how we're going to develop him and how we're going to use him.

And what was it? Round two draft capital. So there was that investment in him. But it's like, this is a lame duck head coach. I'm like, I don't know how he's there the next year. So that's something to keep in mind when you're investing in players or rostering players. What happens if there's a new regime that comes into play? Real quick, Heath. Specifically on the note you brought up about investment in later round running backs, specifically related to injury. I want to bring up Edwin Porras. I don't know

if I'm butchering that. Fantasy points, um doctor physical therapy he i listened to him on late round perspectives with j.j zacharyson and one of the most highly correlated um data points relative to um injury recovery was draft capital which is really interesting And they were speculating like, is that just because they're higher drafted players are more athletic, higher drafted players are more motivated, something like that. And I think Edwin's condition was just that the teams are more invested, you know, whereas like I, I use this podcast specifically to help one of my buddies.

He was asking me about Isaiah Pacheco's trade value relative to like a first round dynasty pick. And I was like, he's like, what, what are the chances that my first round pick he's new he doesn't he's not very confident like they'll make the right pick he's like what are my chances that my first round pick will be better than pacheco and i'm like i i get what you're saying but at the same time like there's a floor to pacheco that you're not considering where like if he gets hurt which is very realistic because of the way that he runs he's so good gosh i think he gets hurt, which is very realistic because of the way that he runs, he's so violent. I think he gets hurt every run. If he's forced to miss time, it's so easy for the team to just move on from him because there's no investment there. I want to stick with this running back talk for the third question because this was a question I asked this summer,

and I still have some questions about it. The per route data for running backs. I am interested, Scott, if you have done any research into how much of that belongs to the running back and how much of that belongs to either the system or the quarterback in terms of check downs. And the guy I think of the most from last year is remandre stevenson because if you looked at remandre stevenson there were there were advanced stats that showed that he was pretty good in terms of the passing game and the actual production in terms of a per target basis was pretty awful it was around four four and a half yards per target

or something which is not a great predictor but still there's that big gap which to me indicates something like well they're just dumping it off to him a bunch whenever he's running routes yeah so i i have looked at this uh it definitely is on the quarterback to a large degree uh something we notice is hyper mobile quarterbacks target running backs uh significantly less than sort of statue like pocket passers. A large component of that is you're targeting running backs as this sort of safety valve. Their pressure is hitting you fast, so you just quickly dump it off,

whereas Lamar Jackson or Jalen Hurts might just flee the pocket and run and pick up a first down. And that is something you see. The running backs don't matter crowd which is like very mostly right um they'll look at not to get into the the rushing component but looking at the receiving component they'll they'll contrast a running backs epa per target versus a wide receiver a tight end and it'd be a lot less but like what's something i think they're missing is that like what oftentimes when you're targeting a running back it's the difference between a sack which is a massively negative

epa per play and targeting a running back who picks up four yards which is like a very slightly positive play so you can't just look at that slightly positive number you have to contrast it with the well a massively negative play and like on this point too, is like the best coaches in the league, all target running backs in an above average rate. Uh, Sean Payton, Bill Belichick, Andy Reed, all heavily target their running backs. Um, and so that is also, you know, a coaching thing, a scheme thing. Uh, and it's also, of course, you know, on a, on a player thing, uh, you know, Gus Edwards, isn't going to get a lot of targets, but obviously Alvin Kamara does because he's great in that role. So I think it's a blend

of all these sort of different factors. Okay. Good stuff. So we're going to get back into the data in just a second. We do have to get, go real quick, Jacob. I wanted to bring up DeAndre Swift. DeAndre Swift, target per run rate, super high in college. First three years of the lions, 25%, 24%, 30% immediately goes to Philly, 19% target per run rate yards per run below one for the first time ever.

Um, just, I think the clear example of like system versus player, like everything up to this point would have suggested that Swift is a target earner. If that exists, they're running back. No, up to this point would have suggested that Swift is a target earner if that exists, the running back. Now that Detroit situation for running backs remains fantastic. And I think there's something there too. And I, we, we won't get into this too much, but I'll just real quick.

I know I've seen some stuff on Twitter this week about Sam Laporta and the splits for him when one of Montgomery or Gibbs are injured versus when both of those guys are healthy. And I do think there's a, seems to be a little bit of connection in that offense, but they obviously want to give the ball to running backs either through the air or handing off 35 times a game, but not if Greg Reynolds is one of those running backs. That was a great stat.

That was by Jacob Sanderson who in games, Montgomery and Gibbs were fully healthy. Laporta has seen exactly five targets in every game. And then without one of them, or they suffer an injury in the game, it balloons to like, I don't know, 8.7 targets per game, something like that. And I'm thinking back to what Kyle Shanahan has said about how having specifically McCaffrey and Kittle on the field at the same time just provides this exponential increase to what this offense is capable of doing because then you can move them around and get at least one of them matched up on a linebacker.

And so it's just a little weird that Laporta's targets have come down considerably with a healthy Gibbs and not much of an efficiency increase either. And again, we're talking about a rookie tight end and a pretty small sample size that now we're chopping into a smaller sample size. So it could be noisy too, but I thought it was something interesting. Let's get into a couple of pieces of big news. We do this show once a week. So there's stuff that a lot of people have talked about. And from a dynasty perspective, we need to talk about. Joe Burrow out for the year,

obviously the biggest four dynasty managers. Jacob, I'll just go to you on this, and then I'll go to Scott on the wide receivers. If you're a contender with Joe Burrow, you're selling. What do you think this, I guess this is a guy who's had a lot of different types of injuries. Kind of reminds me of the Keenan Allen situation when Keenan Allen got the injury prone label and then didn't get hurt again for several years. But are you downgrading Burrow any more than we're not getting anything from him this year? I am. I'm a little bit worried about Burrow. I've actually

been doing some trading with other dynasty players with burrow and i i have a hard time like measuring his value relative to someone like cj stroud or anthony richardson or like justin herbert i think i'll take all those guys over him um one thing is like just from a team construction standpoint like he's had this great run when he was on his rookie deal and now he's probably going to lose t higgins and like i think it's just going to be a much different situation than what he's had um yeah i i think he falls into like the qb8 overall for dynasty range for me um which is lower than he's ever been yeah i've actually got him just and i think it's it's so difficult scott because what we should honestly have is two different rankings this time of year we should have a dynasty ranking of joe

burrow for contenders and a dynasty ranking of joe burrow for rebuilders because this year doesn't matter for half the teams in the league probably at this point but i do think specifically compared to stroud i'd already moved stroud ahead of him because i don't know that there's that much difference in there and there's a five year difference in terms of age but now the additional injury are you concerned all about burrow or are you just fine with it i honestly wouldn't have moved him down in my rankings at all i think he's like one of these like unicorn values in in dynasty who just like one of the most valuable players in the entire format and uh you know if i lose him for the rest of the year and i'm a contender i i kind of you you know, I'll just try and find a replacement,

but I'm not, I'm not moving him. I do, you know, typically take a massively long view with in dynasty, like how Warren Buffett value stocks is like the ideal holding period is forever. And so like Joe Burrow is a player I want on my team for forever. But that's maybe just my unique dynasty philosophy. Do you feel the same way about both of the wide receivers? I was having this conversation last week and the idea of if you were a contender with Jamar Chase on your roster, things obviously aren't going to go quite as well. And there's like CeeDee Lamb's exploded. And I think really justified himself as that wide receiver three, who's obviously much better this year.

Is that something you were even considering or both chase and Higgins, you would just like to hold as well. Chase again, like top five dynasty asset for me, maybe like wide receiver one. Yeah. Just want to hold him for forever. Even if this is a lost year Higgins, I don't know. I, I, you want to hold him for forever. Even if this is a lost year, um,

Higgins, I, I don't know. I, I, I, you can go back and forth on like, he's not, you know, chase is an alpha who's going to alpha and that's going to hurt him. Uh, but you know, maybe he leaves in free agency, goes to like the chiefs or something like that and becomes like a, a fantasy juggernaut in line with his talent. So I just think about that, but I tend not to hurt myself in future years for the sake of this year. That's just kind of how I play it. Okay, I'm going to stay with you here on Jake Browning.

Do we have any reason to hope for anything other than awful? And is he a super flex replacement or just let somebody else pick him up and they can sabotage their team? Yeah, I think he's like nothing. I think he's like, you know, Zach Wilson levels of production. And we just have a million

of these guys this year, right? Tommy DeVito and, you know, DTR, maybe Joe Flacco. And so there's just like a bunch of these guys. Definitely add him to your team. I probably wouldn't start him unless I'm desperate, really not expecting much.

And I do think this crushes the value for guys like Chase Higgins and Mixon to a lesser extent. Jacob, Mark Andrews also not necessarily out for the year. They're holding out hope. I think they're holding out hope for their playoffs, not our playoffs. So I am expecting to not see Mark Andrews play football in something that matters for fantasy rest of season. I think the first question, and I didn't even think it would

be a question back in August, but does Isaiah likely even matter? We saw this team play one game without Mark Andrews and just completely ignored Isaiah Likely. We saw Andrews leave last week early. Likely doesn't have a catch or didn't have a yard. Absolutely nothing for him. It seems like that tight end role that was so carved into this offense is now just a Mark Andrews role. And if he's not there, it goes to the wide receivers. Is that the way you see it i i think so uh just given what we've seen but it's it's a small sample size he's only run 106 routes all year um but yeah with mark andrews off the field last year isaiah likely had a 26 27 target per

run rate um it's down to 12 this year with mark andrews off the field. 68 routes run without Andrews, eight targets, 54 scoreless yards. So yeah, I think the presence of the receivers definitely makes a difference. I think Odell Beckham is honestly playing really well right now, better than I could have expected. So yeah, I think we're looking at likely as like the third or fourth pass-catching option in this offense at best. I don't know if he's going to be very relevant. Scott, we had a question from the chat.

I've got a team that's in fact the team I was talking to you guys about before the show that I'm so frustrated in. First place team or a contender with Mark Andrews. This is obviously a different situation than Burrow and Chase because Andrews is a 28-year-old tight end. We're hoping we have four to five more

years left, but he's of the age to where we might not. He's got Logan Thomas as his Mark Andrews replacement. I have David Njoku as my Mark Andrews replacement. Are you fine with that? Or are you trying to sell

Mark Andrews to get a difference maker rest of season? Yeah, again, I really don't like these trades where I could really see myself kicking myself two years down the road. Like, oh, I wish i didn't do that just to you know make a push for the

the championship you know if you won or lost that if you lost that that could be really bad um if it's tight end premium i i definitely would wouldn't if it's not if it's just like ppr where tight ends kind of matter a good deal less you can consider it but um I I think Andrews is is someone I would prefer to hold okay and somebody if you would you would target if you were not competing right that you'd like to oh for sure yeah I'd go after all these guys yeah right right and I think that's a that's kind of an underrated a lot of guys are thinking about I'm compiling draft picks I'm I'm adding rookies now go look for these injured players as well especially if you can get them at a discount jacob the the guy we saw pop last weekend who has really shown some life recently odell beckham would you view him as a

buy for contenders do you think that he could be a difference maker down the stretch without andrews i think he could be again super small sample size but he's averaging almost three yards per run without andrews on the field. And we saw them really kind of funnel things to him last week. Rashad Bateman has seen his route participation rise, but he's just doing nothing, man. He's averaging one yard per outrun on the year. I think it might be Beckham.

And Zay Flowers hasn't really converted in terms of efficiency with the opportunities he's been given. So it wouldn't surprise me if it is Beckham. Scott, Zach Wilson has been benched. Some people were very excited about this. I think they're going to be very disappointed when they see Tim Boyle on the field. I don't expect any upgrade at all here. I wonder if you do, and I wonder how you're viewing Hall and Wilson

in this reality that they're in, that hopefully Aaron Rodgers comes back and is Aaron Rodgers again at some point. But it kind of looks like they could be in QB purgatory until the end of next year. Yeah, yeah, no, it's bad. Tim Boyle, I have no idea how he made it into the NFL in college. It's so crazy. 32 games against super inferior competition at a 12 to 26 touchdown to interception ratio 5.6 yards per attempt uh he's been worse in the nfl like i have no idea

uh what they're doing what what trevor simeon did to deserve this uh you should definitely play and like if that ever happens um you know wheels up for garrett wilson who easily leaves the league and first read target share who last season averaged what was it 17.1 fantasy points per game with mike white and joe flacco uh and yet the jets found the only guy who's worse than zach wilson so uh yeah not this is bad not Not, not expecting much. Breeze Hall, I think is going to be fine since week five, I believe he's like the RB five by fantasy points per game. Uh, just insane inconsistency there. He had like half of those games were under 11 fantasy points. The other half were over 18. It was something like that. Um,

he's going to be okay. Just, just massively inconsistent. And then yeah, poor, poor Garrett Wilson. If, if Aaron Rogers stayed healthy this year, Brees Hall would have been a league winner. Garrett Wilson would have been a league winner. Yep. And it's just the,

the way fantasy goes sometimes. It is. And Jacob, we've got Steelers fans, I think celebrating probably Matt Canada fired. I don't ever celebrate when anybody gets fired, but I do again, I'm skeptical that

this is going to matter this year kenny pickett's still going to be the quarterback do you have hope for any of the stealers and if so who are you hopeful is going to matter for them late yeah i mentioned george pickens as a potential buy on a podcast i did earlier this morning and i wanted to if we had time for it i wanted to bring up first three target rates as a potential signal um and see what scott and you thought about that so just specific to pickens he does have a 28 first three target rate in year two up from 19 last year which i think is really encouraging and if we see him not stuck in this go corner post route 60 of the time role that he's been in under matt canada then i think he could be like legit the wide receiver one there yeah um yeah i'm excited i want i want a

clarification and i want scott's take on that but that first read target share is including all of the games this year or what is it with and without all the games 38 without dionte which would be like top five so what is that that i mean means around 20 with Deontay this year? I don't have that off the top, but I think probably that sounds about right. So it's pretty similar to last year when Deontay's on the field. I think so, but yeah, I don't have it. Go ahead, Scott. What do you think about these Steelers wide receivers?

Yeah, I just had to pull up a stat. From week two to week seven george pickens ranked top 12 in target share top 10 and first read target share top seven in depth adjusted yards per target over expectation top seven in yards per route run top three in yards after the catch per reception i was always kind of a pickens hater so like this was the most mind-blowing stat i found and then of course deontay johnson came back and what did deontay johnson do he just like out alphaed uh pickens to like a massive degree and i i i think i think that's who deontay is i think he's you know the drops are an issue can't stay healthy can't score touchdown. Uh, but he is an elite target earner. And that is

something I think is really sticky. He gets open, uh, in a way that I don't think Pickens does. He's more of a possession receiver. Um, it could happen. I, I would just be more bullish on Deontay. I think he's just going to keep getting his and, and, and Pickens, you know, maybe he was just held back by like the stupid route tree canada had him running but uh i don't know i'd be more bullish on dionte more bullish on dionte so a little bit of hope for both steelers wide receivers i i'm afraid that it will be false hope because kenny pickett's just not gonna be any good but a little bit of hope which we didn't really have with matt canada there let's take a short break and then we'll get into some running back advanced stat talk.

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but we'll move a little bit quicker through these. I want to talk real quick about some advanced running back stats, Scott, and I'll just ask you first, like which there's, there's obviously a lot. And I think the, one of the things that frustrates people is they, there are some of these running back stats that sound like they kind of measure the same thing that have different names and give different results. So, so what would you say,

like which advanced stats actually matter for running backs yeah all the volume stats like for fantasy all the volume stats xfp xfp market share xfp per play um that's that's what you want to look at snap share also is really great like uh snaps correlate better to fantasy points than touches than carries and targets uh also you want running backs involved in the passing game targets are worth 2.5 times as much as carries in ppr leagues so important um in terms of efficiency i like missed tackles force per touch yards after contact per attempt, maybe explosive run rate, things like that. That's important. But typically, I'm someone who's just chasing volume because that's what's most predictive. That's what typically works. Unless you're talking about

Najee versus Jalen Warren or something like that, then just give me the better player. We are going to talk about Najee versus Jalen Warren in just a moment. I wonder, and I don't know if you've got this off the top of your head, but how long thing is like in DFS, there's like seasons within seasons within seasons. And so, uh, you know, these, these things change, uh, we saw Jalen Warren get the start, you know, I think he perfectly even in snaps with Najee, but you know, coaches can come to their senses and make changes and things like that. So, uh, I'll just say it's like an ever changing thing. I'm just always looking at tracking usage like okay snap shear is climbing for this player declining for this player oh he now has the the goal line roll oh he lost you know a targets have fallen off the

cliff for josh jacobs following this this play caller change things like that right jacob i want to i want to just get right into like going the opposite direction of Josh Jacobs in terms of targets. Brian Robinson has, has turned into Alvin Camara over the last two weeks, 13 catches in his last two games. And not just that, but the guy's averaging like 10 yards a catch.

He's had some huge plays. And so I, do you view these last couple of weeks as kind of a transformation for Brian Robinson? Do you view him as someone who's as kind of a transformation for Brian Robinson? Do you view him as someone who's a long-term asset or is he strictly a win-now piece? I don't even know if he's going to be that because the remaining schedule is pretty brutal for Brian Robinson. I think he's somebody who can get game scripted out pretty easily. I kind of view him as a sell candidate, honestly.

I will say what we've seen lately from a long-term perspective is encouraging. His snap rate was above 70%. That was the first time in his career that he's been above 60%. His route participation was obviously up. The receiving is great to see that. I think it's a little fluky because of the big plays. But also, he's creating big plays. He's playing well.

He's avoided 18 tackles over the past two games. He'd only avoided 22 tackles in the eight games prior to that this season. So I do think this is the best that we've seen him play at any point in his career. And that's exciting. I'm just, I don't love his projection the rest of the way this year. I understand that Scott, I do want to hit on that big play thing because like a lot of the stuff, I think we can underestimate how that impacts coaches. I know that we can look at the numbers and say, yeah, it was really just kind of one big play. But that big play might cause Eric Bien-Aimé to say, you know what, we should have the ball in his hands more often.

Do you think that Robinson is legitimately improving or good? Or do you think it's really just a couple of fluky big plays? No, I think he's really good. I had fluky big plays no i think he's really good i i had jim nagy on my my podcast when he was coming out that's the director of the senior bowl who was like he's he's better than naji and you know what i talked to people at alabama who said he's better than naji and well like he looks it he's been insanely efficient on the ground uh really impressive there and then what did we see the last two weeks granted and intodio gibson injury has played a role but six and nine targets and robinson currently leads

the league at all positions and fantasy points per target he ranks second in depth adjusted yards per target over expectation to jacob's point like you know small sample uh sample inflated by big plays and stuff like that. But like still, that's really encouraging. And that's still way better than anything we've kind of ever seen from Gibson. And so that's what's going to happen. Either he Jacob's right and he's going to be a game script dependent running back in bad game script on a team that's top three in pass rate over expectations. So not great at all.

Or, hey, maybe they just kind of kick Gibson to the curb and fully unlock Robinson as a bell cow. And he's a league winner for season long league. So I think it really comes down to wild spectrum here. And I don't feel confident one way or the other, but that's how I'm looking at it. And I've got him, like running back dynasty rankings are just kind of absurd in themselves,

but he's right around RB20 for me, which kind of expresses that possibility of a great finish and maybe even being a lead guy next year and also the possibility of, man, could just completely disappear. That backfield seems to be getting a little bit more clear jacob we're going to run through four that are not

necessarily and i i just want to kind of talk about these guys rest of season and then who you like more long term we'll start with the seattle seahawks which i think may be one of the more confusing ones and also the highest upside because I love Ken Walker and I love Zach Charbonnet and what either of these guys you could convince me could be league winners Walker obviously dealing with the injury right now but before the injury we saw Charbonnet playing more snaps playing more snaps not necessarily doing more and not getting more touches how do you view these two backs and do you feel the same way I do that they're both really good it's just whichever one gets the touches is going to be awesome yeah i think you hit it perfectly

they're both really good um we've seen kenneth walker shore up so many of the inconsistencies that plagued him last year in year two i've been really impressed with what he's done um and i think the team has as well but also i think pete carroll loves zach charbonnet and rightfully so he's played really really well the remaining schedule is absolutely brutal for the running backs in Seattle. Um, it's about as bad as it gets, but I do think the passing down work for Charbonnet is going to allow him to still be fantasy relevant. Scott, do you have a strong take on which one of these guys is actually better and which one would you prefer long-term beyond this year? Yeah, I, I think Walker's a significantly better runner than, than Charbonnet. And so because of that, I think he's going to continue to get more, uh, volume and, and, uh, outproduce him. Uh,

what Charbonnet has is like, he is the much better pass catcher, but like when both are healthy, we've kind of seen that as like empty calories, empty, empty snaps, where he's just like, okay, he has all these snaps, but he's just pass blocking. You don't get fantasy points for pass blocking. But I think he's going to go off whenever Walker's out this week and next week. But yeah, I would definitely prefer Walker, who I view as one of the best pure runners in the league and a few steps above

Charbonnet personally. Okay, excellent. Let's stick with you for the Steelers. And you've already made reference to, like everyone else in the fantasy community, preferring Jalen Warren to Najee Harris and just begging the Steelers. I kind of wonder what you think, though. Do you think that Jalen Warren ever becomes the full-time back? Or is it size-wise,

he probably stays in this kind of type of role where maybe you're hoping for 10 to 15 carries and he catches a couple of passes? And then long-term with Najee, is he just someone who's on your bench and you're hoping he falls into 20 touches at some point again? Yeah, I kind of don't see that happening. it might be it might be over i don't know if you look at warren versus naji warren leads the league in yards per carry explosive run rate missed tackles force per attempt yards after contact per attempt etc etc etc and naji ranks easily outside of the top 25 or top 30 and everything minus one of those stats uh the way i i described it was like this is a hot hand situation right jaylen warren is on a day armis and naji harris is rosie o'donnell

and like mike tomlin's picking rosie o'donnell 60 of the time it just makes no sense uh hopefully you know maybe mac canada played a role and now they come to their senses. Just try this guy out with a bell cow workload. What do you have to lose when last week, you know, Warren had 110 more yards from scrimmage on fewer touches. Uh, it's just like the value he adds on a per touch basis is so much higher. Um, I wouldn't be like investing massive draft capital, trying to acquire him though, just because we've seen so many times where Austin Eckler might have been a lone exception or Tony Pollard where it's like, this guy is so much better than the other guy. Just give him the ball, and it just never happens. These coaches are like, you give him the ball, he gets hurt, or it saps him of his typical explosiveness or whatever it is.

But hopefully, hopefully'm i'm optimistic we'll see jacob i could absolutely i i want to move on here because we got we got to get to the next one but i could absolutely see in like two weeks or three weeks or it almost happened after one week people viewing the raven situation in a similar way where we've got gus versus keaton mitchell and g Gus is scoring all of the touchdowns and Keaton Mitchell, man, the guy can score from anywhere on the field. Now, last week wasn't exactly encouraging. They did get him more touches that we didn't get the explosive plays. How do you think Gus and Keaton Mitchell play out rest of season? And do you,

do you think either of them is going to matter that much after this year? Um, I don't think that we're going to see much change in the role from, I think last week is pretty much what we should expect in terms of Keith Mitchell. They had been keeping him in a really limited role, but last week he got up to a 37% snap rate. And I think that's about right. I think he'll top out at probably 40, 45% and hopefully take most of Justice Hill's work.

I think Keith Mitchell could matter beyond this year. I doubt that Gus does. probably 40 45 percent of hopefully take most of justice hill's work i think keith mitchell could matter beyond this year i doubt that gus does but i mean the dude has avoided a tackle on 55 percent of his rushes which is like jaylen warren territory like obviously that's a small sample size but it's not just the big runs i think that's exciting when you've got there's something i would point towards um with a chan a lot is like he might legitimately be a special player because he's not he's not just hitting holes and breaking off long runs he's also avoiding a tackle on 40 of his attempts like by far the highest in the league and so when you combine the top line speed with the ability to make people

miss and like spring open plays like i think that's really exciting so yeah i i like keaton as a uh as a dynasty hold i i the the running joke on our regular fantasy football today scott is that keaton mitchell falls somewhere on the devon h and jaleel mclaughlin scale and we're just trying to figure out where he is on that scale i guess you could put jaylen warren kind of on the same scale how How do you compare Mitchell to those guys? No, I think that's a fair comp. I don't know. My whole thing with him, but also A-Chain,

was I worry about the size. I don't ever see him being a guy who gets more than 8 to 10 touches. He's just capped there, which really hurts him for fantasy you can never really trust him and like he'll just go nuclear one out of every four weeks on your bench um and edwards is yeah probably done after this year but uh hard to deny like this uh uh this this uh near end zone usage and and touchdown role he has which is so huge for fantasy we've got a near split, it seems like, in Minnesota, and I'm not sure either of them are going to matter that much, but I know a lot of our listeners play in deep dynasty leagues, and so you might need to be starting these guys down the

stretch. They were both okay last week. Chandler was better, but Madison definitely had more work. How do you split up Alexander Madison and Ty Chandler Scott do you care about either is there is there a difference or you just flip a coin I I don't have a good answer to this so like I just want to say I don't care and I don't understand that it's it's easy to say that when it's like you know how how much value is this in this backfield? That's, you know, Josh Dobbs has played well, but, you know, it's not the same backfield it was with Kirk Cousins. And it looks like a committee Chandler is definitely outplayed Madison this year. But like, I don't think either guy really matters after this year.

Jacob, how many times can Alexander Madison fumble? Like, thank you, Kevin O'Connell. We've been frustrated in the past with coaches who bench good players after one or two fumbles. The James Cook thing a couple weeks ago was infuriating. But Alexander Madison seemingly puts the ball on the ground every week. Yeah, man. You've got to think that Chandler starts getting more opportunities. I think there's a chance that one of these two ends up being relevant because we've still got the Bears, the Raiders, the Beng bangles the packers remaining on their schedule um so there's definitely a chance but beyond this year i doubt

it's either one of them we're gonna take a short break here and then we'll get to the wide receiver advanced stats and of course puka nakua and tank dell to finish things up so this is kind of one of those things where like you know it's just good programming you save puka and tank for the end of the show and make sure everybody listens to the entire show because they are the most exciting thing going right now in Dynasty. But let's talk real quick about wide receiver advanced stats. And I'll ask kind of the same question, Scott.

And Jacob, you just follow. Which advanced stats matter the most for wide receivers? Okay, Jacob, you start and Scott's going to unmute and then he'll follow you. Yeah, so one I'll bring up for Tank Dell specifically, and this is using the Fantasy Points data suite as leaders and targets deemed open or wide open with a minimum of five air yards

to kind of remove screens and stuff like that. Tank Dell is fifth tied with brandon iuk behind just tyreek hill keenan allen and jamar chase in raw targets that are open or wide open and when you make it a rate stat so what percentage of tanks total targets has he been wide open or open 40 only brandon iuk is ahead of him among the guys that i looked at and iuk has obviously just been uncoverable this year and so that that's interesting to me i looked i haven't had time to really research this that but i did look at last year's leaders in open wide open targets with a minimum of five air yards um and some interesting names that stood out was christian kirk at third overall obviously has elevated his game even more this year continued to exceed expectations

brandon iuk at eighth um obviously we've already talked about him he's been nuts this year corlin sudden at ninth title of davante adams uh michael pittman at 11th and those those are two guys that have really exceeded expectations too so i think that's an interesting stat um this has a lot of potential we haven't really gotten too much uh yeah i think jacob just gave a great answer right with with dell specifically as like it really does look like he's there becoming their wide receiver one they have a special connection shroud actually told the texans to draft him after they played together uh this seems like his guy and that's that's bearing out by uh first read target share by xfp i think i

think tank dells ranked top three uh in xfp among all wide receivers in three straight weeks so like even if the production wasn't there a few weeks ago like at least that volume is um uh so yeah i think all that's great. Yards per route run, I mentioned earlier, I think is one of the best stats out there for wide receivers. We had a question, and I know one of Jacob's favorite stats, and you talked about this a little bit as well, Scott, the first read rate. And also, I want to give Reese some credit here because he's the first person who's going to get a two-chat question so we got to take it's a little bit of a long one i i've heard since first hearing about first read rate some of the top qbs

manipulate the defense by looking opposite direction where they want to throw to move the safety so wouldn't some of first read rate be qb manipulation and not necessarily them looking for a certain player first uh yeah i mean there's there's no perfect stat out there it's it's just uh on the whole it looks to be predictive it could be on the quarterback it could be you know um or it could be on the defense moving things around it could just be you know this is their guy and they lock out they lock on to them uh so it's important to look at like a multi-week sample size with all of that you want to go a little bit jacob about you about i know i know this is special to you we haven't talked about it yet so so uh you use first read target rate a lot right yeah for sure

and i just want to bring up matt harman uh has said like basically all wide receiver stats are fake in that like they're all so dependent on outside, you know, factors, quarterback play, coaching, defense. Um, and so none of these are ones that you should get carried away with. Um, but I think when you, you can use them to paint a picture of what's happening, um, and then use that context to help yourself make decisions. And then in conjunction with things like Matt's reception perception or PFF grades or whatever you want to use for player evaluation stats, I think that they are helpful and important. So specific to first read rates, I wanted to bring up two guys that stood out last year to me when looking at the 2022 data. I'm curious if there is predictability going forward with this stat or if it's just something that's helpful in season, knowing how the offenses are functioning

and really prioritizing players. So last year, Michael Pittman had a 32% first read rate, which was 14th. That was in the same range as Chris Alave and AJ Brown. And I think he's somebody who just really kind of went overlooked this year. This year, his first read rate is up to 35%. He's a guy who Matt Harmon really, really likes and I think is kind of coming into his own as an alpha wide receiver. I'm really excited for him going forward. Brandon Ayuk, his first read rate last year was in the same range as like Travis Kelsey and Keenan Allen, who are obviously offensive centerpieces. And we've seen him step into that type of a role as an offensive centerpiece this year.

So those are two that just stood out quickly as like, you know, guys that looked really good in this metric last year. This year, man, A.J. Brown's first retarget rate is out of control. It's up to 42%. It's actually ahead of garrett wilson who's been like by far the highest all year long he's now past him and so like that is nutty man like aj brown during his time in tennessee if you just look at target per run

rates stuff like that just kind of like there was a lot of noise to aj brown the edis silver through because like he was missing time weird offense all that but a lot of noise to AJ Brown. He had to suffer through because like he was missing time, weird offense, all of that. But a lot of things pointed towards him as being like truly the predominant, like target hog in the NFL. And he wasn't quite that in Philadelphia in his first year,

but like in his second year in the offense, it's clear that he's like the alpha. And I think he might, he's somebody who might get dinged a little bit because of his age and dynasty but i don't know if there's a better receiver out there right now like probably jefferson i guess um but yeah he his rate really stood out to me because you got so i mean goddard has been healthy for most of that you've got so many good options in philly um the other guy is pukunuku a 34 first read rate ahead of cooper cup at 32 when the two have been on the field together they're almost identical so like that is really really impressive

um and then i already mentioned george pickens but yeah i i'm curious if you guys think first read rate can be relevant beyond just the season that we're in currently uh yeah one of our writers uh ryan heath did a a great study i would just point the the listener to that let me pull the the link to it yeah i i think it's interesting i wondered if that aj brown included last night because he did not have a lot of first reads last night i think it is updated with last night. Is that right, Scott? I haven't checked it yet.

First read targets and fantasy football. Ryan Heath, fantasypoints.com. Check that out. They did a great study detailing all of the practical uses and use case scenarios of first read target share, both in season and next year, and its impact on quarterbacks as well um yeah ryan does great work um on the tank on the tank dell no in yards per run i just

wanted to mention that tank dell is 10th in the entire nfl in yards per run ahead of a prime stefan diggs with josh allen a quarterback ahead of jaylen waddle who's just been like one of the best yard per hour and producers of the past decade, dating back to college. It's really insane what we've seen from him. His rookie season yard per hour run rate is pretty much identical to Jamar Chase's rookie season. I think it was 2.5 for Chase, 2.4 for Tank Dell. It's insane, man.

No, no. He's been, and he was like, I completely missed the Puka train. I didn't draft him once in a rookie draft, but Tank Dell was my most drafted rookie this year. So I want Tank Dell, obviously, to be the best rookie wide receiver in this draft. But I think we'll finish up with that. We've had this Puka versus Tank Dell discussion many times on this show. I've run a couple of Twitter polls the last few weeks, and for the most part, it'd been about 65-35 in favor of Puka over Dell. Of course, this week, it changes to 60-40 in favor of Dell over Puka.

And so I guess I'll kind of ask two questions two questions. And I'll start with you, Scott. You can follow Jacob. Do you have a strong lean on which one of these guys? And where would you put the two of them if you're re-ranking this rookie class of wide receivers? Where would you put these two for dynasty purposes? I think this is a difficult, really tricky one to answer. And it makes me like, I think you just kind of throw out most metrics. Like, I don't, I don't want to be comparing Puka versus

Dell and, you know, targets per route run or whatever. I want to look at like the macro, what's going on here. Um, Puka, like obviously like an insane start to a career has been more productive a worry is that he's just like a sean mcveigh invention you know he's he's good he's better than the the round five draft capital he got but he's still just you know round five draft capital wide receiver and uh you know maybe he's just playing the cooper cup role and like, you could slide a few other like good, but not great wide receivers in that role and put up this sort of PPR cheat code production with tank Dell, you know, like a lot of really impressive metrics, but he's another guy, you know, like that size, is that, is that something that's going to come in play later in his career? You know,

maybe injuries or like, he's more one dimensional than we're giving him credit for. And then it's like this offense is insane. I think that's shroud to a large degree, and it's also Bobby Slowick. But it's like Noah Brown. Look at what Noah Brown's done the last two weeks. And we're talking about Tank Dell's yards per route run. Nico Collins, at least up until last week, ranked even higher than yards per route run.

And so how confident are we he's going to continue to be this uh you know wide receiver clear wide receiver one in the team and putting up you know fringe wide receiver one production if guys like noah brown and nico collins can do this like do you think they're that good like do you think noah brown's that good uh and because that's a question that matters when, okay, what happens if they draft a wide receiver next year in a star studded cast or a class, or, you know, T Higgins is available in free agency, maybe someone else is. And so, uh, maybe this is the peak for both players. This is just sort of how I want to be thinking about it. Uh, personally, i would give my lean to to puka i heard a rumor uh this offseason i heard it from two different uh separate

non-related sources who said you know like this don't expect cooper cup to play much longer in the league uh and uh i i don't know how real that is like just a rumor, but what's the upside then if, you know, Cooper Cup isn't around next year and Puka's in the Cooper Cup role? But yeah, so again, not stats driven. This is kind of just, you know, big picture, zoom out. What's going on here? What do you think? Yeah, I think you're right about how difficult it is. Right.

I think that the key thing in terms of the why is that these were third, fourth, maybe even a fifth-round rookie pick, and there's an enormous opportunity to make a huge profit. Right? Right. If it is the Sean McVay creation, if it is, well, this offense is just going insane right now, and eventually the league's going to figure out exactly what they're doing, and Tankdale's not that special, then you might turn your third-round rookie pick into a 2024 first-round rookie pick. At the same time, if you do that and this is real, you're going to feel like a fool.

And so I think comparing those guys to JSN, to Addison, to Zay Flowers, when they were drafted so far behind them, both in the real draft and in fantasy drafts, it's fascinating to me, but you're right. It's very difficult. I'm more inclined with both of them to just hold, but I understand the urge to sell. I will say my fundamental philosophy is that like

upside matters more than downside is detrimental in fantasy football and so like i tend to just gravitate towards the player who offers more upside and and to me that's that's puka talking about the potential cooper cub role that pprPR cheat code role. And then just like the legitimate size concerns with Tank Dell, his ability to hold up or really put up alpha-like production consistently over a long period of time. Yeah, so that would just be my... But again, this is really tough. Yeah, yeah. And I think one last question on that, because i saw some people in the chat brought it

up almost immediately when we started talking about them and i and i hear this a lot so when you were evaluating guys like puka and tank dell and and you mentioned that how long is cooper cup gonna play i think that's a legitimate question i think the rumor i heard this off season i don't know if it's true or not is that stafford and cup and McVay were probably all leaving at the same time. Because I think those guys are all pretty good buddies. And so talking about quarterback situation for these young wide receivers, Tank Dell seems to be attached to one of the most young, exciting quarterbacks in the NFL. Puka seems to be attached to a very big question mark.

How much does that matter to you when you're evaluating them for Dynasty? No, you know what? That's a great point you know i was just thinking what happens if cup leaves what happens if cup mcveigh and stafford leaves that is bad no that's a and he was apparently really close so you know what you might be right maybe in this case you know that downside is really bad and you can just argue with Dell. Right now, in dynasty circles, Shroud is getting moved up beyond Trevor Lawrence.

He's tied to that throughout the remainder of his rookie contract. That's his boy. You sold me. No, you're right. I love that you brought that up because I am a complete sucker for that quarterback friend narrative, quarterback teammate narrative, like that type of thing.

I completely believe in it. Well, they both have it. Yeah. The breakfast club. Kuka got into the breakfast club this year. So no, I QB to receiver report matters. Like that's a legitimate thing. So I'm with you on that.

I appreciate you hanging out with us here today. And we went a little bit longer than I told you. So I appreciate that as well. Tell everybody one more time where they can find all of what you do and everything that's going on at fantasy points. Yeah. I'm at Scott Barrett, DFB on Twitter. And my website is fantasy points.com.

Check us out. I thank you, Scott. I thank Jacob for fighting through an illness this morning and making it almost the entire show. Thank everybody who was here with us on YouTube, listening on the podcast. We will talk to you next Tuesday. Thank you.