Fantasy Football Today - Rookie QB Preview! Cam Ward, Shedeur Sanders, Jalen Milroe, Jaxson Dart & More! (04/01 Fantasy Football Dynasty Podcast))

Episode Date: April 1, 2025

We’re diving deep into the rookie QB class, covering Cam Ward, Shedeur Sanders, Jaxson Dart, Jalen Milroe, and Tyler Shough. The trio discusses their strengths, weaknesses, and future Dynasty potential, plus answers key questions about draft capital and QB rankings. Don't miss this expert analysis to help you dominate your Dynasty league! Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday SUBSCRIBE to FFT Express on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-express/id1528634304 Follow FFT Express on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6qyGWfETSBFaciPrtvoWCC?si=6529cbee20634da8 SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179 FOLLOW FFT Dynasty on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1 SUBSCRIBE to FFT DFS on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dfs/id1579415837 FOLLOW FFT DFS on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5zU7pBvGK3KPhfb69Q1hNr?si=1c5030a3b1a64be2 Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." Visit the betting arena on CBSSports.com for all the latest sportsbook reviews and sportsbook promos. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Dynasty, welcome to our rookie quarterback preview. Welcome to the month of April. I am your host, Heath Cummings, joined by two of the absolute best, not just at CBS fantasy, but in the, in the business, in the world. And they've really shined the last couple of days. We've got Dave Richard, the man who knew that there would be no April fool's jokes on this program because Dan Schneier listens to FFT. We've got Dan Schneier as well.

And I, that leads me into something that I wanted to say at the top. There were never going to be any April fool's jokes on this program. One, because that whole concept really just kind of annoys me too, because April is a sacred month here at FFT dynasty. Like we are starting our rookie quarterback preview on Friday. We've got Matt Waldman coming on to start the rookie running back preview. We're talking wide receivers later this month. We're talking tight ends, which is actually exciting for a change.

Dave, I am so excited to get started with this month. I'm not. Not what? Come on. April Fool. Listen, sorry for being an idiot. I've been living in this month since the season ended. I don't know if I really even said this on the main fantasy football today show, but

some people have kind of noticed, where's your content? How come I can't read anything from you since the season ended? And it's because my content has been NFL draft related. Both Dan and I have done a lot with the NFL draft. So studying these players, the quarterbacks that we're going to talk about, I haven't even gotten to all of them. I try and go into great detail. I've been working on other positions, but Dan and I have been helping the NFL draft team at CBS Sports get ready for the NFL draft. We will have opinions on everybody,

but the quarterbacks are the position that we've really worked the hardest on so far. So get ready. There are gonna be some curve balls and maybe some things that you'll hear about these players that you haven't heard from other places. And of course we'll put it all in a nice tidy box to help you guys when it comes to fantasy. You know, Dan, speaking of curve balls, I think that the conventional wisdom this year

with this draft class is like maybe historic running back class, very, very good tight end class. And I'm not that excited about the quarterbacks and the wide receivers. But as I was going through putting together this rundown, as I've thought a little bit more about it, I think there's plenty of reason to get excited about some of these guys. Now maybe the floors aren't what we want and one of the top two quarterbacks, maybe the ceiling isn't what we want, but there are some really interesting profiles in this class, aren't there? There are definitely some interesting profiles.

I would say more developmental in some of the cases and more taking a leap of faith. I, if I'm going to be honest, Heath and I'm, I'm always honest on this show and with my, and I'm trying to be as objective as I can with my analysis. I do view quarterback a little bit differently than others. I view it as more of a zero sum game. I just look at the NFL. I look at the transition of a lot of these players into the NFL. This is an argument I have with a lot of Giants fans as well because, you know, I'm a hundred percent Hunter over Sanders at number three overall. And everybody's like, why Sanders is the supposed number two quarterback in this draft? But

I really think about some of these past quarterback classes and the development of some players in the NFL, which is not always linear. And a lot of the time, it's either, will you work in the NFL or will you not at quarterback? Right, you look at the class a few classes ago, like Malik Willis' class. A lot of people would have had him QB1 or QB2 in that class. He's not worth anything right now in redraft

and really not worth much in dynasty, in my opinion, at least, behind a quarterback signed to a major contract. And I think it's just how the position works. It's really hard to transition to the NFL. And I'm not trying to throw cold water because there is still upside with all of these players and the price is going to be low enough that you're going to be able to buy in on some of these guys and really get a chance at, you know, returning value on the investment.

I love what you discussed on the last episode Heath with, and this was an episode of regular FFT, uh, with Heath, with, and this was an episode of regular FFT, with Adam and Dave about why you like Richardson and Fields as potential sleepers. It's really just that boom, it's that investment and it's the cost you're investing in. And I think you'll see that with a lot of prospects we talk about today, because there is upside

to all of these players that we're gonna talk about. But I do wanna make sure I am clear that I am not in the camp of this is a better quarterback class than we originally thought. Cause I do not feel that way. I would have lost a lot of money when you started that. I won't call it a rant because you weren't angry when you started that, but you didn't, I am just, you didn't, you did not say anticipatory throws. You did not say the ability to throw someone open. And I don't know how to process Dan quarterback analysis without those two terms. Let's just jump right into today's show. You did say linear though.

You did say linear. Linear is one of his terms. Oh yeah. Today is our rookie quarterback preview. We will be going deep on Cam Ward, Jadur Sanders, Jackson Dart, Jalen Milrow, and Tyler Schuck. Schuck. Schuck. Schuck. What would Chuck. Chuck. Chuck is that a good one.

What did you do on a right? Do you know how I can remember how to say Tyler Chuck is just spell it wrong. Yeah. Whatever I write the next, you cannot read his name and look at it at the same time and say it the right way. It's impossible. We always start with three questions for our guests. We're going to rotate here because we've got a lot to talk about.

And we've got a couple of guys with a lot of information. And so we'll go back and forth and I'll start with Dave, cause I think he's got a name he wants to say. I listed the name of the five quarterbacks that we're going to talk the most about on this show. Do any other quarterbacks in this draft class even potentially matter, Dave, for dynasty? You know, I, I told you that I thought it would be worth bringing up the name of

Kyle McCord from Syracuse, but honestly, I don't, I don't, unless you're an agist, he doesn't belong in the top five. He just doesn't. Right. He doesn't belong in the top five, but I will say like our first comment before you guys even got here was in the chat. Mark says, don't forget Kyle McCord. Yeah, so you, you, we didn't forget Kyle McCord, Mark.

Dave said his name. Dave told you that he doesn't actually belong in the top five and that's enough Kyle McCord. No, I compared him to Mack Jones. I think that he's, um, I, I think he's OK. You know, he's got good placement on his throws. I think he's one of the best processors in the class. He knows how to read blitzes. He can, he can process coverages. He can find the right guy. I think he's got good enough arm strength. Do I think he can ever be a great fantasy starter? Maybe in like the most perfect of situations, he, yes. But I've got 5 other quarterbacks I'd rather talk about.

Dan, let's go from maybe the bottom of the class to the top of the class, Cam Ward. We're going to talk a lot about him after our first break. But I just want to know, how many quarterbacks today would you rather have in dynasty than Cam Ward? many quarterbacks today would you rather have in dynasty than cam ward? I think the number would be somewhere between, between 10 and 15 for me, probably on the lower end of that. Um, given age, given my expectations for ward when he joins the, if and when he joins the Titans, and I don't think that's much of a debate at this point, given their off season, given some of the things he's going to be a

Tennessee Titan, it's a fit that I like for him. It's not a fit I love as much as joining a coach like Brian Dable to be completely honest, because he's a big game hunter award. But that big game hunting and his creativity in the way that he processes coverages, to me is what makes him an upside play in dynasty at quarterback.

I don't think he's gonna be as good a runner at the NFL level that he was at the college level, but I do think that he's gonna have an opportunity to make big plays in the passing game. I'll let you both answer this final question because Dave said there would be some curve balls. Let's see if we can get one right at the start. Dave is, is there a quarter and Dan, you can just follow.

Is there a quarterback Dave in this class that you strongly disagree with consensus on in either direction? I don't believe that Chudor Sanders is the number two quarterback in this class. Oh, I love that. And I think Cam Ward is the number two quarterback in this class. Oh, I love that. And I think Cam Ward is the number one quarterback in this class. So you know what direction I'm thinking with Shadr Sanders. I haven't seen enough of some of the other guys that weren't, I mean, we're not going to talk about Will Howard or Dylan.

I saw Dylan Gabriel at the senior bowl. Quinn Ewers, same thing. Look, I just, I think, I think that there aren't a lot of, I, sorry for stuttering. I think this is the worst fantasy position in this year's draft class. Okay. So if you're in a Superflex league and you need a quarterback and you don't have, you know, 101 or 102, you're in one oh trouble because I don't know that the ceiling is going to be particularly high for for any other quarterback other than Cam Ward. But that being said, just the differences of matching guys up and down, you know, I think it's kind of interesting that Shuck

is a top five guy for me. Maybe depending on how I really come out on Jalen Milrow, he could be four. So I guess the headline is Sanders. Good. Dan, any, is the same take that you have or do you have a different one? No, I would have a bit of a different take than that. Again, I want to make it clear that I do view quarterback is zero-sum game So I'm not saying to everybody go out and get these guys because you're taking an inherent risk But I see massive upside from a fantasy standpoint with Jalen Milro long term. Yeah, now it's there's risk He may bust but you're not gonna have to pay a big price tag here

You're certainly not gonna have to pay the price tag you paid with Anthony Richardson And I think he's a way more developed passer than Anthony Richardson was coming out. And I think he's a much better runner and more dynamic runner than I've watched a lot of Milro. Dave, I think he's the best running quarterback since Lamar Jackson. And I think there's aspects of his game as a runner that are better than Jackson's Jackson was more elusive and better at making people miss in a phone booth. Though Milro can do that as well, but Milro's ability to win the edge as a runner and beat linebackers and third level secondary players to the edge, it's insane to watch.

And he was tracked on GPS as running faster than Jameer Gibbs when they were both on the team at Alabama. Just think about how fast that really is. And you could see it on the tape as he runs away from his vendor. So that trade alone, it pulls back to what you said on the sleeper show Heath.

It's like when you have those types of quarterbacks, Anthony, Richard and Justin feels you're always going to have inherent upside because rushing makes such a difference from a fantasy standpoint for these quarterbacks. Excellent, excellent stuff guys. Let's take our first break and we'll jump right into Cam Ward. Survivor 48 is here and alongside it, we're bringing you a brand new season of On 5, the only official Survivor podcast. If you're a Survivor super fan, you won't want to miss this deep dive into every episode where we break down

how we designed the game, the biggest moves, your burning questions. It's the only podcast that gives you inside access to Survivor that nobody else can. Listen to On Fire, the official Survivor podcast with me, Jeff Kropst, every Wednesday after the show, wherever you get your podcasts. So Dave did an excellent job yesterday of reminding me of who has already written draft profiles on these players. So we're going to take advantage of that expertise as we move through the players. Dan, you wrote the cam ward profile, I believe.

And so just get us started with a 10,000 foot view. What are his strengths? What are his weaknesses? How high is the upside? Yeah, Cam Ward's in a really exciting prospect for me. I liked him more after watching his tape than I thought I would going into it and my expectation where he is as a player.

And I'll say the reason I love Cam Ward the most is what I think he can offer immediately for NFL offenses inside the red zone as a passer. This is an area where a lot of quarterback struggle. We lose out on a lot of fantasy points, team settle for field goals and we move on and we just move forward with, Oh, this guy had one passing TD that game. Ward's a type of quarterback that can cash in on a lot of these red zone opportunities because I believe he'll immediately enter the NFL

as one of the best red zone passers. Why? Because he changes arm slots and changes arm angles in the red zone. And with that ability to change his arm slot and arm angle, it's led to not getting passes batted down to line of scrimmage. For example, he's had just four passes batted down

to line of scrimmage over the last few seasons. Someone like Sanders has had 26, despite being similar height to Cam Ward, just as a comparison. But really in the red zone, what I see is a quarterback who can not only Like Sanders is at 26, despite being similar height to Cam Ward, just as a comparison. But really in the red zone, what I see is a quarterback who can not only throw off platform, but from within the pocket. And there's so many plays I've watched of Cam Ward where it's a red zone play.

It's basically fooled by the defense. There's nowhere to go and it'll come off the play side, work to the backside of plays. This is something you rarely see from college quarterbacks and find a solution. And sometimes that solution is, wow, there's zone defenders in front of the receiver in the back of the end zone toward the pylon. And he'll have the ability to throw the ball with trajectory over the top of that zone defender and then land it so it doesn't fall back out of the end zone. So the receiver can actually make a play on the ball. I found that solution so often. So I think immediately for fantasy, he'll cash in with a lot of passing

touchdowns, specifically in the red zone. But as an overall player, what I'm most excited about with Ward is, he's a big game hunter, as I like to call him, because those intermediate levels of the field, specifically zone coverage, he's looking to attack. So that's the area where so many quarterback struggle. It's the reason I like Drake May so much

watching tape of last year's quarterback class, because he was willing to attack that area of the field. It requires confidence as a quarterback. It requires timing and it requires arm talent to actually fit those balls in those windows. And at the nfl level, you cannot get away with a lot of the stuff that some of these college quarterbacks get away with to rack up passing stats and numbers when you watch their tape. Ward doesn't rely on that. He's able to hit those, you know, hole shots as they call them. I know people are trying to phase out that term. I'm looking for a better term as well for what those are, but it's those tight window throws in between zones and areas of the field outside the numbers, inside the

numbers. He's great at both. He changes trajectory in the football. He can change pace on the ball and his arm talent is phenomenal. Some have compared him, Heath, to Mahomes and I find that from Mahomes and TTU, I find that comparison very disrespectful. While I do agree that they have similarities in the plays they make in regard to some of the things they do outside the pocket, Mahomes' arm talent is not comparable to Cam Ward. It was on another level at Texas Tech.

It was some of the best tape I've ever watched literally for a college prospect, but it's similar to how they try and win. They try and win by taking advantage of the intermediate and deep areas of the field. So it's exciting from a fantasy standpoint because explosive plays will lead to fantasy points and that red zone work that he does will also lead to fantasy points. Well, that's how my home's used to win. Now we just ding down the field. Dave, Cam Ward, Dan mentioned earlier in the show that he really expects he's going to be drafted by the Tennessee Titans.

Everybody I think expects that Cam Ward's going to go 101. Do you care about landing spot at all? Do you care if he's on the Titans or the Giants or someone else? I mean, frankly, landing on the Titans is one of the worst spots for him to go. It's great because it means he's going to get on the field quickly, but no matter where Kamorogorski is the best quarterback in this class, I'd be shocked if he didn't start week one of the 2025 season. That being said, Tennessee's offensive line, they're trying to improve it. They're trying to make it better. I don't know if it'll be a top

10 offensive line at any point in 2025. The receiving core, he, we, we kind of had a fun gag on Monday's FFT episode, where you quizzed me on receivers on the Raiders and I quizzed you on receivers on the Titans. That cupboard is pretty much bare. Their best receiver is 31-year-old Calvin Ridley. So they've got work to do to add receivers around whoever their quarterback is to try and make that offense more explosive. But I do think that Cam Ward just by virtue of his playmaking style, his aggressive throwing nature, the way that Dan talked about his vision downfield, going for those intermediate throw, deep throws,

the throws that he talked about specifically, one was against Florida, I believe the other one was against the attack, where he just somehow sees a guy pass the whole defense, 25-pound field, running on the back line of the end zone, and he fires a perfect shot. That type of stuff elevates other wide receivers. So if he can do that in the NFL, it doesn't matter which team he goes to, it would be great for the receivers and it would obviously be great for Cam. Maybe an offensive line that's like on par with where the Titans are right now would be a better spot. And then Brown's kind of the same thing, but

they're all in the same boat. Remove Malik neighbors from the equation. So yeah, perfect. Giant straight up in at cam ward. They pair them with Malik neighbors. I got some other better for cam ward than having them, you know, a three receivers set of Calvin Traylor Jackson in Tennessee, or I guess it would be van Jefferson's third receiver, either way. So ultimately, yeah, I would. We're going to try to get Dave's audio fixed here and I'll go back to

you, Thomas. We are talking a lot about Cam Ward and the good and the bad and the landing spot. And you said beforehand, like he is somewhere between QB 10 and QB 15 and dynasty as soon as he gets drafted. Let's talk about the upside. Let's say everything goes right for cam ward. He reaches his potential. How high could you potentially see him climbing eventually? Not right away, but eventually in the dynasty ratings. So with the, and I know it's, it's a little bit unconventional, but with what

I consider to be a little bit of a limited upside as a rushing quarterback at the NFL level, I just want to make that clear. He's going to be fine. He's not going to be somebody, for example, Drake may is going to give you better rushing numbers from a fantasy standpoint every year, in my, my opinion, it won't be close, but with the ability to throw a lot of touch on passes that I do think he has, and potentially if he fits the right offense, I think we could see him all the way up at like QB six, QB seven range. And I actually liked the fit

a lot with the Titans personally. And I'll tell you why I have much higher expectations for their offensive line. I think moving Latham over to right tackles the best thing they could have done. And they got a solution to left tackle. I trust in Bill Callahan. Like I know what he is as an offensive line coach. And I believe that the few guys you can get as an offensive line coach, him Stoutland, and a few of the other guys in NFL makes such a big difference in the outcomes of these games. Um, and I want to see the, his, his son Callahan's offense with an

actual big game hunter like Ward. So the receivers worry me the, how could they not? Right. But I think they'll add talent at that position. And I'll say this about camp Ward that really stood out to me. He joined another system, he's joined a million systems, right? He went from Carnot Ward to Washington State and then he went to Miami. While guys like Sanders had multiple years to work with the receivers like Hunter and

some of these other quarterbacks, he had one off season and he got right on the same page with them like this. The rapport looked like and their chemistry looked like they'd been playing together for three years. That shows me that he can mesh with any different group of receivers. And you look at some of the games they brought up, the Virginia Tech game, a lot of these games, they were got to have it moments for camp board where, you know, stirred and whatever they're down because Miami's defense was so bad and he had to make all these comebacks

and he just made those plays and those got to have it moments. That leads me to believe that he can have early fantasy success. But I think the ceiling for me, because of that rush, what I consider to be a little bit of a limited upside rushing would probably be in that QB six to eight range. So earlier, Dan had mentioned that 10 to 15 range, Dave. And I, one thing I'm doing this week is going through and updating my dynasty tiers and adding the top rookies to those tiers. I don't like adding rookies to the rankings before the draft because landing spot and

draft capital matter way too much. But I can put them in tiers. And so this will be just one word answers, Dave. I'm going to put you on the spot. I put Cam Ward in tier three. There are six quarterbacks ahead of this tier. Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Jaden Daniels, Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow, Jalen Hertz. Those are the top two tiers in dynasty. Amongst these quarterbacks you

can just say Cam Ward or Caleb Williams. Caleb. Caleb. Cam Ward or Brock Purdy. Cam Ward or Brock Purdy. I'll still say Purdy. Cam Ward or Jordan Love. Give me Cam Ward there. Cam Ward or Kyler Murray. I'll take Cam Ward.

Cam Ward or Bo Nix. Uh, Nix. I really like what I've seen from him. Oh wait, that was more than one word. Cam Ward or Justin Herbert. Herbert. Cam Ward or Drake May? May. Cam Ward or CJ Stroud?

I feel really, really good now about the tier that I put Cam Ward in. Yeah, for sure. The fact that I really love both of these quarterbacks, the fact that I, I'm wincing at saying ward over Stroud or Stroud over ward says a lot. Uh, I think I'm still going to take Stroud, but okay. And that's close. So he is for all three of us firmly in the QB 10 to 15 range in terms of dynasty value. You can use that if you're approaching your rookie draft and you are or are not a cam ward believer as a way to maybe acquire that one Oh one pick that's going to do it for cam ward, who's likely the one Oh one of the NFL draft.

This next guy, we don't know where he's going. Dave's already told us he's not as excited about him, but should or Sanders the quarterback out of Colorado has been talked about as early as the 102 and there's some people who feel like he may fall all the way outside of the top 10 picks. Dave, you wrote the draft profile that's over at CBSsports.com on Sanders. Let's hear about his strengths and weaknesses. Well, he's definitely capable of being a good NFL quarterback. His upside is tied to improving his processing,

his downfield accuracy, his rushing. But I don't view him as a force multiplier. That's the term that I use for when a quarterback makes other players around him better. And it's also vice versa, wide receiver that can make his quarterback's numbers better. In fact, that's how I felt like it worked at Colorado, where Travis Hunter and frankly, some of his other wide receivers made Shadour Sanders a better quarterback than he actually is. I'm concerned about his arm strength, his velocity, his velocity on

his throws. The basic fundamentals, things like his footwork and, you know, poison the pocket and his technique, that's all great. That's been trained. You would expect something like that from a guy who's the son of a Hall of Famer. His, his accuracy is a huge plus, but it's really only there on short throws and intermediate throws. Did a standard job of processing in college, pre-snap versus coverage and blitzes, just wasn't consistent with it. He was basically in the same offense for 7 years, coached by his father every single one of those years. That goes back to high school, obviously. And he's, you know, I don't know if he's capable of doing more than running kind of the spread stuff that we've seen from Colorado, where he's not checking out the entire field. Another thing that really bothers me about Chidor is, first of all, he was in shotgun

pretty much exclusively throughout all of his time playing football, college and high school anyway. And he would take like seven steps drops from shotgun Heath. So you're already, you know, four yards from the line of scrimmage when you're in shotgun. He's going back another five yards. He's adding five yards, maybe even seven yards, to a ton of his plays. And maybe that's why he couldn't push the ball further than like 45 air yards downfield. On the rare moments where he didn't take that drop back, and his offensive line provided him protection, and we can talk about that offensive line in a minute, clean pocket, didn't take that drop back. And his offensive line provided him protection, and we can talk about that offensive line in a minute. Clean pocket, didn't take that drop back. He looked great. So that's what you need to see from him on a

consistent basis, and not this lackadaisical drifting that forces his throws to be even longer. He didn't have any major injury concerns. I think that he's, I guess I'm just ultimately concerned about the power of his arm, the tendency of throwing, the lack of diversity in the offenses that he's been in, and whether or not he can be anything more than a game manager or a distributor. This is a quarterback that's being compared on a lot of places, myself included, to Geno Smith. And Geno Smith, as he developed, started to become ignorant of pass rush and making throws when the pressure's on him. And Shador did plenty of that, too. But Geno Smith probably has a stronger arm than Shadur Sanders. And I don't know if Shadur can ever get a bigger arm than that. I think he would benefit from having a year on the bench, and then coming into an offense when the offensive line's strong, when the receiving core is good, and he can

be a good distributor of the football. That being said, it makes me nervous to be excited about him for fantasy unless he's got that great receiving core around him, like we talked about. The stat that I've got is that 52.6% of his yards last year came after the catch. It's the highest rate of any quarterback prospect that's worth a damn in this draft class. So a lot of Travis Hunter and all the other receivers that are there, Jimmy Horn's one of them. Uh, the Westerham, I think is how you say it. Wester Cam, I'm not exactly sure, but that dude was making plays. Colorado's receivers bailed him out a decent amount last year and made

Chador Sanders numbers look better than they actually were. So it's interesting because I've kind of viewed it as the wide receivers helped Shador Sanders a lot. The offensive line hurt Shador Sanders a lot. Yeah, that's very true. But I think, I think Dan, one of the, one of the more interesting things with him, uh, versus Ward is that we really don't know like the who or the where within the first round.

I don't think this is gonna be a guy who falls out of the first round. But let's just say hypothetically that Shidors Sanders is going to be a top 15 pick. How much does it matter to you when we're evaluating him a month from now if that's number two overall or if he falls to pick 15. It makes a massive difference.

We know this from just NFL history, right? Like, will Levesse, a player who was considered maybe going in first round, ends up falling to the second round top of it, and he's out already. They're not even gonna move forward with him. But a player who's selected at number three overall, if he does go to the Giants there or two to the Browns,

that's gonna be a guy who gets a lot of opportunities to be successful, depending on obviously the hierarchy. And I think you always do a great job of breaking this town, Heath, but like in the Giants case, it's a very weird scenario. If they draft Shador, they could still fire the GM and coach this coming off season. And then it's like, okay, maybe he doesn't have as long a leash. In the Browns situation, it seems like they're keeping those guys in place. So we would have a longer leash, which is obviously hard for us to predict, but very important. But as far as draft capital goes,

it makes a massive difference because they're going to hold onto a player a lot longer if they invest a lot to create, to draft that player. I just assume that if the Giants, I mean, I should just say after, but if the Giants draft Sanders and have a terrible year and fire Brian Dable. Then Chidwar Sanders is going to have the longest leash in the history of leashes because Dion Sanders is going to be the coach of the New York Giants. The attendants like that plan. Dave, I wonder, I know you're a little bit more negative than consensus on Sanders.

There may have been a little bit more weaknesses than strengths in your evaluation. So I'm going to challenge you just a little bit more negative than consensus on Sanders. There may have been a little bit more weaknesses than strengths in your evaluation. So I'm going to challenge you just a little bit. Is there any chance that he is someday a top 12 dynasty quarterback and what does that path look like? Yeah, there there's absolutely a chance that that happens. Let's say he goes to the Giants, the Giants bulk up their offensive line, the Giants replace the likes of Slayton or Wondale Robinson with another really nice receiver that forces defenses to not just double team Malik neighbors time after time.

I think that in conjunction with, I don't want to say a better play caller than Brian Dable because I think Dable is still a good play caller, but maybe somebody who can develop the quarterback's skills and bring them up to the level of the pro game, where Sanders can be a better processor of coverage. That would encourage me. But I ultimately believe that Sanders isn't a guy that can get the job done on his own. We saw evidence time after time that Cam Ward was that guy. He led Miami to a ton of comeback victories last year because their defense stunk, their run game sometimes sputtered.

Cam Ward was the reason why they won a lot of games. I don't know how many times we can go back and say, Shador Sanders won the Buffaloes a lot of game. And maybe sometimes he did, but it could have also been Hunter more so than, than Sanders, if you know what I'm saying, the catches that are over the middle that the receivers take all the way. And then just the last thing on Sanders, if you're questioning whether or not he's, he's good at processing, please find a way to watch his game against BYU. It's his last college game. That's a defense that changed their blitzes before

the snap. They rotated their coverages before the snap, or right at the snap, I should say. They made it hell on Shadr Sanders. And that was scary film for me to see. And that's what he's going to see more of every single week in the National Football League. So that's the progress he has to make. He's got to have a coach that really teaches him how to process better. But if he gets that, and he's got a good line, and he's got another receiver, other than somebody of the caliber of neighbors, boom, you're talking about a guy who could be a top 10 to 12 fantasy QB. And I have a few thoughts on Sanders when I get out before we move on to the next player, Heath. It's interesting, because I really am aligned in a lot of ways with Dave. I wanted to like Shador Sanders a lot because the Giants desperately need a quarterback

and it just was difficult for me. I think watching this offense so extensively, it's Pat Shermer who's the offensive coordinator and I was reminded in a lot of ways of what I saw in 2019 when he worked with Daniel Jones. What he did a lot of the time was simplify the offense with half field, high low reads. And so there are moments where Sanders will hit an in breaker behind the defense for 15

yards. And it looks like, wow, this guy processed the play really well. And he threw with a lot of anticipation. And that's supposed to be Sanders' calling card, right? He's not overly athletic. He doesn't have a big arm. So he's supposed to win with his mind and with being an excellent anticipatory thrower and processor.

But I know those plays because I watched them with Daniel Jones and they're not, in my opinion, examples of high level anticipation and processing. I, when I watch Ken Ward, see actual examples of high level anticipation and processing, creative throws. Sanders is more robotic, in my opinion, in how he plays the position at that school. And they didn't ask a lot of him. Dave brought it up with his, you know, with the stat,

which was amazing, 56.6% of the yards came after the catch. It's why I don't like that completion percentage. So many screen throws, so many simple solutions that were good. They were smart by Shermer to run, but look, are they really the example of something we can translate to the NFL level? And I think the offensive line thing is a bit overblown because of what Dave said. The drifting in the pocket from Sanders is really, really, if he continues to do that, let's just say this, he will never make it in the NFL. Because when you drift like he does in the pocket backwards,

you create different angles for the pass rushers that are really advantageous to them. It is a really bad thing. So as the offensive line gets killed, despite having a former NFL offensive line coach coach that offensive line, who obviously is, that's not something every college program has.

You can look at the tape and say, well, the times where he doesn't drift in the pocket, the offensive line holds up and the numbers back that up. And so that's what he has to be. He has to be a player in my opinion, who does a better job of staying in the pocket, not drifting. And when he's able to hitch into his throws, I have no questions about his arm talent or arm strength.

It's when he's forced to go off platform that he doesn't have the torque to generate the arm power. Specifically to his left, you have no questions about his arm talent or arm strength. It's when he's forced to go off platform that he doesn't have the torque to generate the arm power. Specifically to his left, you'll see this on tape, there are a lot of balls that when he's moving out of the pocket and throwing to his left, die down as they get to the receiver. They'll bounce to the receiver on the outs. And that's something that really scares me about Sanders moving forward. It's something that I just can't get out of my head.

And then this is the stat that, we'll end it on this, but this is a stat that will always really scare me about Sanders, and because it was a stat that showed up for Daniel Jones during his time at Duke, and I really think it defined his career in a lot of ways, and it's the average air yards to the first down marker. Sanders' was minus 1.8 average air yards to the first down marker. That ranked 132nd among 147 qualifying quarterbacks over the last two

seasons. What does that tell me? That tells me that when he gets pressure and when he's blitz, the solutions that he's finding are the check downs underneath relying on yards after the catch that just doesn't work at the NFL level. I watched it with Jones. I watched it with other quarterbacks. You have to be able to stand in that pocket and throw down the field. It's not like there's no examples of this on tape, but it's the total outcome. 132nd out of 147.

If he can't run and he can't escape that way and he can't throw off platform, he has to be able to do a better job of finding solutions down the field. When the blitz comes, we're going to take a second break. So Dan can catch his breath. We'll be right back with Jalen Milro. So we did need for Dan to catch his breath because Dan wrote the Jalen Milrow profile. And this is the guy that I think is the most interesting player, not at the position in the draft.

Dan talked early on about his rushing ability, said he thought he was a better rusher in some ways than Lamar Jackson. Draft capital is going to matter so much to this player, Dan, but I diked it, we're going to be a little bit quicker moving forward. We're passed kind of the consensus top two, just talk about Jaylen Milrow, the passer and if there's any hope there. Yeah, there is hope there. I mean, he took a major step in my opinion, moving forward from 2023 to 2024

completed 65% of his passes against the sec shore. I don't love to use completion percentages to be all end all stat, but when you watch the tape, you can see him operating different types of concepts, in breakers, out breakers, where you could watch him actually progress through the read. It doesn't happen that often. It's not going to, I'm not going to sit here and tell you that he is a multi-read quarterback. Right now, there is a lot of one read on his tape and there is a lot of things that confuse him. I see him get confused by hot pressure, uh, not understanding where his hot read is. Blitz is coming from angles where he's not projecting it to come from.

And he does look to find solutions with his legs. He needs, he is a long way to go as a processor and as a passer right now, I think he is inaccurate when it comes to the short stuff and the short intermediate stuff, actually in the vertical game, I think he's one of the more accurate deep ball passers in this class. And the numbers back that up specifically on 40 plus area throws, where he was very, very good. And that's an aspect of his game. That's interesting.

What does this all sound like to me, Heath? And I'm not comparing these two players, but what does this all sound like? It sounds a lot like Jalen hurts. It really was. I was, you know, I'm going to ask Dave about two other player comps, but hurts is someone who you have been skeptical of really since he entered the league. And I think, I think still, you would probably agree with the fact that you don't actually like the aesthetic of the way he plays the quarterback position or the Eagles offense. But could he, could he, could he, if he gets into that type of situation, could he be successful? Yes. And that's the, the be all, like when you say it like that, he's, it's so hard for me to

project him getting into that type of situation, right? The best offensive line in the NFL, the best offensive line coach, two elite receivers, and the best running back in football. Like that's crazy to think about him joining a system like that. But it leads me to believe that the draft capital won't be the be all end all when it comes to Milro because Jalen Hertz didn't have great draft capital second round draft pick. They didn't trade up for him or anything like that unless I'm forgetting. So it's not impossible for Milro. I actually think that Milro has some aspects of his game that are better as a passer than Jalen Hertz. I think he drives the football better on the out breaking throws in intermediate range. He drives the ball a little too much in the short game.

And I think that leads to a lot of inaccurate throws. And I think he's not as good a deep ball passer as Hertz. Cause I will give Hertz credit. I think he's a great deep ball thrower. I think he puts great touch introductory, but he's a good deep ball thrower. And honestly, I know it sounds crazy, but he's a better runner than Jalen Hertz.

He's a better runner than so many guys. You watch his tape and it's phenomenal as a runner. Like I think he could be one of the better running backs in this class if that was his position. Like if they just converted. Wow. Dan Schneier says Jalen Milro should play running back. Oh, that's it.

That's the thing. Please, please don't put me in that. We talked about Jalen hurts, but I think that the two guys that people rightly or wrongly are going to be thinking about when they hear Jalen Milro could but I think that the two guys that people rightly or wrongly are going to be thinking about when they hear Jalen Milrow could be the best running back, a great running back, but we've got some concerns about him as a passer. Our two guys who are just hanging on by their fingertips to starting quarterback jobs in the NFL, Justin Fields

and Anthony Richardson. Dave, I wonder how would you compare what you've seen from Milro to Fields and Richardson? I think he's got the potential to be a better thrower than both of them. And I like the fact that Milro has more experience than Richardson had when Richardson came out. And I think this comes down to whether or not he can find a guy like Josh Allen found, like Jalen Hurts found, like Anthony Richardson is trying to find this offseason, that can improve his processing and improve his accuracy in those short to intermediate errors. The deep ball throws are fun. You watch the highlights of them and he's amazing.

And the rushing is amazing. And that's what makes fantasy managers salivate all over their keyboards or phones or whatever's right under your mouth when you're reading or watching Milro. It's, there are two huge FCs. Number one, if the measurements at the combine are accurate compared to the measurements at the senior bowl, especially when it comes to his hand, that's a good thing. Two, if he can process, but I talked to an NFL executive who just, when I brought in Milrow's name, he just shook his head and looked at me and he said, Can't process. And I don't know if that means that that executive is just, you know, dropping Milrow to round 4 of his draft points and saying he can't process and you can't win with them because of it or if it just means you know that he's a project coming and so would it shock me if he follows

the same type of trajectory of Jalen Hurts where Hurts was kind of a gadget player for much of a year. I am sorry Dave but I'm gonna have to cut you off again. It's uh technical difficulties. Your audio is going in and out. We can't hear you. Dan, I wonder, like Dave talked about the fact that some executives may see that processing as a reason to drop Milro even further.

I've kind of been assuming around to draft capital, but do you think there's any possibility that the opposite happens and somebody says, you know what, I see the upside that Jalen Milrow has. Could he sneak into the first round? So somebody gets that 50 year option if they end up wanting it. Yes. I a hundred percent think that is a scenario that's in play. I don't think that's what will play out, but I think it is in play. And I want to make it clear why I'm more excited about a player like this for dynasty. Let's just look at it. 30,000 foot view for a second.

Heath, right? We just compared Sanders and Milro Sanders has a much better chance. I think of starting more games in the NFL in the mirror, but what does that get you in dynasty and fantasy football? Well, it depends. I mean, it's, isn't it ultimately a super flex versus one QB conversation? Like it's much more likely, I think that to do a Sanders is going to be a top 24 fantasy quarterback, multiple, maybe even multiple seasons of top 24 play

then Milro, but I think Milro's what it infinitely more likely to have top 12 seasons. Right. And I'm not sold that Sanders has that upside of having multiple top 24 seasons. I'm not sure how long his leash will actually be. No matter what the draft capital is, though, I don't think it's going to be that high because he may not work in the NFL. This is kind of goes back to my zero sum game at quarterback. I think either work or you don't work. And I personally think

there might only be one quarterback who works in this class. So if I'm operating under that assumption, Heath, why would I not make a play for Milro over Sanders or any of these types of quarterbacks? How or whatever it may be even if they're not they're quite there as a processor yet what they're offering me from a fantasy standpoint It's not nearly enough to overcome the upside of what Miller can offer but not just the upside to me It's the floor like I don't see a floor with Sanders and a lot of these guys That's the biggest difference for me. I think at quarterback and my evaluation for dynasty as quarterbacks come into the NFL, I don't see the supposed floor. Cause I'm not so sure how long you can last as an NFL quarterback,

either have it or you don't. Well, I think the floor would obviously come from him being a top three pick. If, if, if he's a top three pick and Jalen Millrow gets drafted in the middle of round two, then there's a significant chance that Jalen Milro never goes into a week one as a starter for his own team. And Chidur is likely as a top three pick to get two seasons. And we saw how bad Bryce Young was his rookie year. He still got a second year. He was terrible, got benched for Andy Dalton and they went back to him again. So like, let's look at it like this, Heath, and I'm sorry, Kyle, I just want to make my point clear

because I don't think I did a good job of it. So let's say you get that, right? Like he's drafted early, which I don't think he will be. Let's say he will be and you get that. I still think going into any dynasties and you can get the Gardner, Minchoo or whoever is that veteran quarterback making starts for very cheap on your dynasty team.

And you're getting the same thing you're going to get from somebody like Sanders who can't run doesn't have an explosive arm right all these different things and so you're not paying capital to get the Gardner-Minshew or whatever so why do I care about getting the Sanders or whoever it may be in that regard? Makes sense I am a very excited about Jalen Milro is the way I want to wrap up his conversation I want to to move to Jackson Dart and Dave, I guess I'd start with this and you can give your evaluation and hopefully we don't have any difficulties. But I think a lot of people are listening to this podcast and thinking, why haven't

they talked about Jackson Dart yet? He's the second best quarterback in this class. Well, we should. He's a quarterback with good technique. He's got good footwork and poise as well. Very, very good ball placement. On short and interme, it throws. He can throw with anticipation. He's got serviceable velocity. Did a decent job of processing order to come through. I did have a lot of half field reads. Um, I like that he's got experience in different offenses. That's a differentiator between him and Chaudhuri Sanders. Chaudhuri has basically been in the same offense.

Dart has been in three different offenses and the most recent one, they've added pro-style concepts to it. Um, additionally, he's younger than Chaudhur Sanders by about a year, and he runs. Whereas Chaudhur Sanders, when he's under pressure, he keeps his eyes downfield and he'll belly right up to the line of scrimmage and he'll make a throw. Jackson Dart will run, and Dart is faster than Chaudhur Sanders. Dare I say that the Dart and Jackson Darts name is more about his rushing than it is his passing. He is a functional runner. It would be smart for an NFL team to lean on that. And that's obviously something that would be good for fantasy. Clearly not as big as Milro, but someone who could get you two, 300 rushing yards, two or three touchdowns over the course of the season, that pads the numbers as a thrower. Um, he doesn't have a cannon. Uh, and the other thing that really does bug me with the

I'm afraid that we just lost Dave for good. Dan, you and I can finish up Jackson Dart and Tyler Shuck. See, I said Tyler Shuck that time because I was not reading the rundown and I was not looking at the letters that are actually in his name. And I was able to just say what you guys told me to. See, I said Tyler Shuck that time because I was not reading the rundown and I was not looking at the letters that are actually in his name. And I was able to just say what you guys told me to. The thing that kind of surprises me is how polarizing it seems Jackson Dart is. I don't really get what it is about his profile that is so polarizing. I could tell you in my opinion what makes his profile so polarizing. It's watching their tape and understanding their offensive scheme.

Because as you watch through that tape and you watch the Ole Miss offense, it's very hard in my mind to decide how much of this can translate to the NFL and how much of this is Lane Kiffin being unbelievable at scheming up against college defenses, understanding the field side, understanding how to attack the defenses he's playing. And a lot of that, in my opinion, does belong, in my mind at least, to credit to Lane Kiffin. Now he's still operating the play, Jackson Dart. He's making the throws. Jackson Dart has all the tools. That's what I like about Dart. He can run, he can throw, and he's big and he has the frame for it. The question remains though, like how much of this is anticipation that's going to work the

NFL level? How much is just Lane Kiffin scheming up things. And I think, you know, Nate Tice did a great job of breaking this down in his evaluation at Dart. They run a lot of the same concepts. They dress them up and it's very similar to what McVeigh does to find success at the NFL level, right? He'll dress up a play that looks exactly like a run play, but it'll be a pass play and then it'll dress it up again and it looks exactly like the same play and it will be a run play. And they do that a lot in the passing game there.

And I think Kiffin's one of the best, if not best play callers, he's the best play call I watched of all these quarterbacks by far from a design standpoint. So that's the thing. And it's like, as Dave said, a lot of half field reads, a lot of one read stuff, a lot of predict something pre snap and it's their post snap

because Kiffin figured it out, figured out the defense. How do I know how that's going to translate to NFL? I don't know. He could be end up being a good processor, but that's a guessing game. There's also one other area of darts game that I didn't like. I felt like a lot of the times when there was pressure and he would break the pocket, his head went down. That's something I always look for a quarterback, but to be fair, that can be coached out of him. Jaden Daniels had that issue at

LSU. When he broke pocket, his head was down. He became a rusher. Then immediately at the NFL level, immediately when he broke pocket, he head was down, he became a rusher. Then immediately at the NFL level, immediately when he broke pocket, he had his head up and he was finding solutions with his arm. So that can be coached. And I think that's not something I would view as long-term concern. To me, the biggest concern is just like how much of that was kiffin and how much that was dark. So it's really, it's not so much about his skill set that's polarizing. It's just that it's hard to evaluate him because the system was too good. It's theizing. It's just that it's hard to evaluate him because the system was too good. It's the processing. It's the mind stuff because if you can't process NFL

defenses, you have no chance regardless of what your skill set and physical tools are. No one knows that better than the guy who spent the last six years watching Daniel Jones. I haven't done the tier discussion for a while. I do have Dart and Milrow in tier six right now in the same tier. And I'm not, it's pretty low to be honest. So I just wonder like, would you take either of these guys over Michael Pinnix? No. Would you take either of these guys over Bryce Young? No.

Okay. Would you take either of these guys as somebody off? You're on the clock, your turn to make a pick. You need a quarterback. You could take one of these guys or somebody off? You're on the clock. Your turn to make a pick. You need a quarterback. You could take one of these guys or somebody offers you Sam Darnold. Darnold. Okay. Gino Smith, Gino, Derek Carr.

Ooh, I think I could go Dart and Miller over Carr. Okay. So that's, that's kind of the range and dynasty between Gino Smith and Derek Carr, two guys who quite honestly may only have a year, year and a half left of starting themselves. Carr may have half a year, but the fact is that as of right now, and we'll see what the draft capital shows, we don't really have any reason to expect that either Dart or Milrow are going to get a long term chance as a starting quarterback.

They're going to have to develop to get the opportunity and then they're going to have to succeed whenever that opportunity presents itself. We are going to finish up with Tyler Shuck. Dave is back and Dave, Dan was the guy who wanted us to, to put Shuck on this list as QB five. You said he was also in your top five and maybe even number four. What, what are you guys so excited about Tyler Chuck? I like that he's coming from a pro style offense at Louisville.

I think he can make good throws. He's got good footwork. I think he could, I think he's capable of playing now and not totally embarrassing himself in the NFL. He's not rattled by the pass rush. His arm strength is good, not great. He's a touch thrower, but he did try plenty of tight window throws. He can sidearm it to get a few more RPMs on it. Excellent processor. Really understands what he sees from a defense. Might be the best quarterback in the class. And, I mean, he's played college football for 6 years. I would expect that to be the case. I think he's the type of quarterback that a team would draft to be a backup, but maybe become their answer to the quarterback position for the second half of the 2025 season, maybe even the 2026 season. New Orleans, I'm looking at you. Cleveland, I'm looking at you. Miami, this

guy might be decent in Miami. They probably won't look at him because they just got Zach Wilson. The biggest issue that he's got, sometimes he puts a lot of air under the ball when he throws and he's older. He was born in 1999, which might not feel like so long ago for some of us, but that puts him at 26 years old when he gets going this season. And so that means that what happens if he's going to be a starter in two to three years, he's almost 30 already. So let's take away some, some time off of his clock. It's not, it's not even, especially at the quarterback position for me, like even if

he comes to starter at 28, if he's good, I'd probably still get a decade out of him, Dan. But what worries me, and I don't know how much when you're evaluating quarterbacks, you care about this. What worries me is when a guy has so much success in college because he's four years older than everyone else he's playing against. It's a grown man playing against guys that are almost grown men. How much when you're evaluating a quarterback do you care if he didn't have success until he was older than everybody else? I care less about it at this position than others. For example, offensive line, defensive line,

I think it makes a big difference among others. But it does matter because one of the best things about Tyler Shuck when you watch him on tape is, I mean, Dave mentioned, he can get through his progressions and he's not somebody like Sanders who you'll see try to escape a pocket and get run down by big Tom defenders or ward try to escape sometimes escape sometimes not who knows it'll happen at the NFL level

He'll get to that check down. He gets to it fast. It'll get the ball That's probably from playing a lot of football, but I will say this last year Heath I've amended my process a bit because I really discounted penix as a dynasty asset last year Didn't come away with him in any of my dynasty drafts didn didn't target him and felt like, oh my God, that injury history, that age, what can I do? I look back at that down and I'm like, it's so stupid and it's so short-sighted because no, I'm just not sure that three or four games are enough to make that determination. I'm still not based on that. I'm still really low on Michael Penick. That's not the reason why you should have been anti-Penick's last year. That's a factor. And

Chuck is in the exact same boat. Older prospect definitely has an injury history. It's more to his shoulders than it is his knee. Teams look at that and they say, all right, but if this guy can play, this is to your point, Heath, if this guy can play, we're going to let him play. And it was a lot easier to say that with Penix than it is for Shuck because Penix had a howitzer for an arm. And I will say this, like we spent enough time last year talking about Penix's age this time of year and through the draft process. And he, it was, I think it was correct because he was older than everyone else. And Tyler Shuck is older than Michael Pinnix. Yeah. And I will say this about the Shuck Pinnix situation. It's like Pinnix is already starting now.

And I agree that might not last, but I don't care as much now about his age. Cause we're seeing what Russell Wilson, Aaron, these guys playing till their thirties, late, late thirties or forties. It's an extra five, 10 years of this position versus any other from that standpoint. So, but I will say this about Chuck real quick, just give my evaluation on him. I actually like his arm talent considerably more than Dave's, I think, just from listening to Dave. I really like his arm. While he doesn't have the howitzer from the deep ball standpoint, the way he hits those outs in the short and intermediate range, it's accurate. It's the type

of ball placement I'm looking for. And I can, this is, I give credit to Matt Wallman, who'll be on the show Friday. He put this in my head and I think it's such a great way to break down quarterbacks and evaluate them. Is he throwing with general accuracy or pinpoint accuracy? The pinpoint accuracy is what leads the yards after the catch, the passing yards, the fantasy stats, the touchdowns. I think in the short and intermediate range, Tyler Shuck throws with more pinpoint accuracy than anyone in this class, to be completely honest. I think that doesn't necessarily translate on the D-Path, but he's really accurate on

those quick... It's a timing thing. Maybe D path, but he's really accurate on those quick and it's a timing thing. So maybe that is just because he's 26, he's played a lot of college football and he's had a lot of reps. It might be, and that's something that I have to look for in my process and maybe discount, but man is the timing good and the ball play has been good on some of these concepts. And then it comes down to other things with Tyler Shuck that get me a little excited. He has the frame.

I look for frame in a quarterback. I don't want a six, two quarterback like Sanders and Ward. I want 6-5. I think you see over the offensive line, I think gives you a better chance, but he also can move. He can run. Like he actually has that kind of athleticism. And then Dave mentioned it best. It's the arm slot and the arm angles. He can change his arm angle, change the pace of the football, the velocity, the trajectory that helps him in the red zone. So tools wise, I really like Tyler Shuck, but then there's all the other drawbacks to him that we've discussed.

So it's another big risky prospect for me, but I just like betting on tools. It's always going to be how I am as a quarterback evaluator. It's to a fault sometimes with quarterbacks. I'm trying to think of some of the bigger misses and I've had plenty. And it works sometimes with with like the Mahomes types. You just I don't know, but I just think you need something to define you at the NFL level. You can't just be somebody who has good college stats,

but doesn't have the traits to translate. Dan is a master transition or Dave, because we had a couple of questions in the chat. I wanted to make sure we get to, I'll give you the first one. Dave, he was talking about tools and I will tell you, the chat loves Joe Milton. And I think that dynasty managers and generally love the idea of Joe Milton. And so that Dave, the question was, where would you put Joe Milton in this rookie class? Joe Milton based on where he is right now. Right now. Yeah. He's going to be,

he's going to be ahead of Shuck. He would be fifth. I would put him ahead of shuck behind or dart Sanders Milro That's where he'd be Agreed Dan I'm confused the question. Are we saying if he was in this draftless or no, we're saying just compute what we know now. Oh No, we're saying just what we know now. Oh, right. You're an NFL GM and it's around.

You can turn your around three pick into Joe Milton, or you can draft a quarterback who's still there. Which quarterbacks would you do? Those are different questions. Not even, no, not even the NFL question. A lot our YOLO dynasty league share. There are veterans mixed in Joe. Milton is on the waiver wire in dynasty leagues. You're in round four

of our rookie draft and Jackson Dart's on the clock and you notice Joe Milton's also, or Jackson Dart's available and Joe Milton also is as well. Which one would you rather have? For me, it's Jackson Dart without a doubt. I don't like Joe Milton's dynasty profiles at Stan's today. I don't see any motivation for the Patriots to trade him. So I think he'll just kind of be on that roster throughout his rookie contract and work as the QB too. And I don't see any way he supplants Drake May. So I think we'll run through that rookie contract and then what? Maybe he gets a chance. I doubt it at that point. So it's just not an investment that I'm interested in. If you like Joe Milton, it's because of the cannon, right? Tools-wise, I like him. It's not about that. I'm intrigued in. If you like Joe Milton, it's because of the cannon, right?

Tools-wise I like him. It's not about that. I'm intrigued by him. I shouldn't say I like him, but I don't see the situation at all for Don. I don't see how he's like, he's big obviously, and he can throw it very far, but so can Milro. And Milro can run a lot more than Milton. Milro, I believe, is younger than Milton. You can just draft Milro and maybe even get a better prospect out of it.

Milro could end up being, we might be done with the NFL draft and Milro might be the QB2 on Dynasty Draft. He goes in round one, I think that's probably where he'll be for me. Yeah, yes, probably so. But I still want to know where he's going, who's coaching him, what's the timeline, that type of thing. Absolutely. You guys were fantastic. That will do it for our rookie quarterback preview. As I said before, on Friday, we've got Matt Waldman coming on for part one of the rookie running back preview. You do not want to miss that. We will talk to you on Friday. on Friday. Survivor, super fan, you won't want to miss this deep dive into every episode where we break down how we designed the game, the biggest moves, your burning questions. It's the only podcast that gives you inside access to Survivor that nobody else can. Listen to On Fire, the official Survivor podcast with me, Jeff Kropst, every Wednesday after

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