Fantasy Football Today - Ross Tucker Talks Offensive Lines, Rookie Challenges and Heath's Rankings (07/31 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: July 31, 2020

Nominate us on PodcastAwards for the Sports category https://www.podcastawards.com/app/signup/ Former NFL offensive lineman and current NFL analyst and Podcast host Ross Tucker dominates on today's show with his takes on the best and worst offensive lines in the NFL, why this season will be challenging for rookies and what Heath got wrong in his rankings! First he tells how much of a RB's success should be credited to the offensive line (4:40) and why Emmitt Smith was such a great rusher ... Ross gets into Heath's rankings! He thinks Heath is too high on Derrick Henry (10:30), should have Ezekiel Elliott ahead of Saquon Barkley (18:00) and should have Miles Sanders higher (23:03). He shares a few more thoughts on the rankings including Travis Kelce's ranking before discussing what this season will be like for rookies (31:00). Finally, how about some offensive line rankings (35:40) from a former offensive lineman? Ross tells us what Fantasy managers need to know ... We discuss the BUF RB situation and do some Buy or Sell (53:00) ... Your emails at [e-mail] 'Fantasy Football Today' is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Google Podcasts, Castbox, and wherever else you listen to podcasts. Follow the new FFT Twitch channel: https://www.twitch.tv/FFToday Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @YardsPerGretch, @BenSchragg Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCviK78rIWXhZdFzJ1Woi7Fg/videos Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Touchdown. Oh, he's done it again. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, Heath, and Ben. Really excited for today's show. Should be a lot of fun. We have a great guest. We'll talk a little bit more about Clyde Edwards-Hilaire. We'll talk about offensive lines with a former offensive lineman.

So, yeah, can't get much better than that. Welcome to Fantasy Football Today. This is your Friday episode recording on Thursday afternoon, July 30th. You're hearing this, I think there are 31 days in July. Are there? Yes. Yeah, all right. July 31st. Perfect. You knucklehead. I'm Adam Azer, the knucklehead. Dave Richard and Heath

Cummings are here. Where do you guys have Clyde Edwards Z-Layer? Ben and Jamie are taking him as RB6. What about you? I'm with him. RB6 and PPR. I'll take him seventh overall in non-PPR. I think you could make a good argument for him RB6. I'm sure these guys did. I've got him eight right now in PPR, 11 in non-PPR. Wow. The low guy at RB8 in PPR. All right. And without any further ado, let's get our guests in here. Ross Tucker, host of many podcasts, including the Fantasy Feast. He is a former NFL offensive lineman. He's a football analyst for CBS Sports Network. And I listened to your most recent fantasy podcast. And just as one host to another, I got to say, it was really great, but your guests kind of sucked.

You need to do a better job booking guests. Don't talk about Joe Dolan that way. No, no. Well, listen, I appreciate you guys having me. It's great to be on. You guys have an awesome thing going. It was great to have Dave on the Fantasy Feast podcast today. He was amazing.

I mean, you can tell he's been doing it for a long time. There's not a guy you can ask Dave about that he doesn't have an entire list of the pros and cons and exactly where he's got them rated. And I like guys, I'm really into guys that send me ahead of time. Here's the guys I'm higher on. And here's the guys I'm lower on. Cause if you be, if we're being honest, right? Like that's what you care about. Like who, you know, give me like takes that aren't, I think, I think Christian McCaffrey should go one. Great podcast, Ross. Awesome.

Thank you. You know what I mean? I think that's the things that are interesting to me. When I go on fantasy podcasts, I usually talk O-line, A, because I played it, and B, I do think that that's where I can provide some value. Now, I don't ever think that offensive line is like, that's why you should take this guy, that's why you should take that guy. I just look at it usually as like a tiebreaker.

You know what I mean? Like if you're torn between a couple guys, I look at O-line as a tiebreaker. And I also have really strong thoughts this year in particular based on my experience as a player for guys in their first year and even guys going into their second year that that we can get into so awesome to be on you guys kill it every day man it's so funny like if you would have told me 10 years ago I guess not 10 years ago now gosh 13 years ago that I'd just be going on all kinds of fantasy podcasts and have my own fantasy podcast.

So as a lineman, you hate fantasy football. You hate it because it totally invalidates what you do and only reinforces that the only guys that matter are the skill guys that get the ball and score touchdowns. It's like, wait, it's like, hold up a second, okay? Number one, they already get to be skinny, okay? Number two, they already got their name in the paper every Saturday morning

in high school and in college, and they got more girls than we did, all right? Number three, like, what are we here? They're the ones who score the touchdowns and they get all the – they don't sell our jerseys. They sell their jerseys. Fantasy football just reinforces all of the stuff, skill guy, skill guy, skill guy, and yet here I am talking about it. When we know when you really win and lose,

a lot of it does have to do with the linemen. So anyway, thank you for letting me vent. Now all your fantasy listeners are all mad at me because I said I didn't love fantasy. It's funny. Now that I'm done with it, like with every year, I like fantasy more now because I get it. I like to be an amateur GM, if you will. But when you're a player, you're like, oh, fantasy. Yeah, fantasy, especially if you're a lineman.'re a player, you're like, oh, fantasy. Yeah, fantasy, especially

if you're alignment. Well, so take a running back, right? What percentage of his success is him and what percentage of his success is his offensive line? That is a fantastic question. I had a lot of good running backs dave will remember all these guys heath and adam you guys are younger but no my he's not my rookie year my rookie year stephen davis led the nfc in rushing we remember uh my second year i started seven games the guy behind me was a guy named emmet smith i started seven games for the cowboys. You know what's funny? Two things. One is anytime I talk to a Cowboys fan and they'll say, I'm the biggest Cowboys fan ever, I'll be like, oh, yeah?

Who started the last seven games at left guard in 2002? And they never know. They never know. I'm like, well, you can't be that big of a fan then. The thing that's funny about Emmett that I say to people, and I don't remember what kind of fantasy guy, I mean, I'm guessing Dave, like in the nineties, he was a beast. Oh yeah. He was the first round pick. When fantasy first started. But the thing I tell people about Emmett, so when I was there, it was his last year with the Cowboys. And I'm not kidding guys. He's a small dude and he's slow like when I was with him he was small and slow

but somehow got yards like he was small and slow and our o-line sucked out of the seven games I started I got the highest grade in six out of the seven that should not be the case I promise you that I should not be the highest grade so but he just had this unbelievable feel for where the soft spot in the defense was and how to set up blocks and how to dip and duck and fall forward I mean we wouldn't block a soul and he'd get four yards they They'd be like, all right. So in that instance, I would say the running back has a lot to do with it. In Washington, we blocked pretty good. Buffalo, I had a couple beasts, dude, beasts.

2003 was primarily Travis Henry, and he was an absolute monster. I mean, we hit like 180 yards against the Jets with a cracked fibula in his leg and we were like yelling at the Jets like you know he's got a broken leg right now he just had another 20 yard run like what are you guys even doing and then in 04 that was Willis McGahee's year uh and that's the thing that's the other thing that people are surprised by people would be like who do you prefer blocking for McGahee's year. And that's the thing. That's the other thing that people are surprised by. People would be like, who do you prefer blocking for? Because I started 13 games in 04.

Who do you prefer blocking for, McGahee or Travis Henry? And I'm like, dude, do you realize when I'm in there, they're behind me in the huddle. I don't even know who's in. I don't know who the running back is till the end of the play if I go help him up or something. But those guys were both awesome. McGahee in particular had a lot of Emmitt Smith to him in that he always fell forward, always got three to five yards,

even when he probably should not have. And then 07 with the Redskins, it was Clinton Portis, five and six. Five was Patriots, Corey Dillon. Six was Patriots, so I got traded to Cleveland, Ruben Drones. I'd say on a scale of one to 10, I'd say the O-line, it's probably about five and five. I'd say O-line is six, running backs probably four. Like you'd rather have, I think you'd rather have an awesome offensive line and average running back as opposed to an average offensive line and awesome running back. But I think, I think reasonable minds might disagree there. I mean,

if you have an awesome offensive line, no matter who you put in there, you're getting yards. Yeah, that's right. Unless it's me, you know, you're not getting any yards with,

with a bad player, but with a professional running back. Yes. Yeah. And we've seen it. We, we, there've been, you alex collins with the ravens once upon a time really wasn't that great of a running back but he was in a great spot with a really good offensive line so well and and he's like that all the time right and to your point and sometimes it's even system like i was on the sideline i was on the sideline this year for the nfc championship game packers niners i've

never seen first of all i don't think i've ever been in an nfl game where a team just ran over the other team like that secondly raheem mostert i mean guys i'm on the sideline and kurt warner's in the booth every time he got the ball in the first half it looked like he was gonna score a touchdown like it was like if the safety didn't make the tackle he was gone i mean it was one of the craziest things i've ever seen he looked like he was shot out of a cannon and i'm sitting there thinking like raheem mostard is the greatest running back alive. And then you're like, okay, the dude's been cut 12 times by 10 teams. So that's kind of a loaded question, but a good one. You know, I actually just want to throw a stat out there.

I think this was from ESPN. Mostert averaged 3.6 yards before contact. The only running back who averaged more yards before contact last year was Matt Breida. So system matters. Offensive line certainly matters. You know, Dave, I want to make sure, because before we got on the air,

Ross said something really interesting that I have to get to. He said he was going to pick apart Heath's rankings, and there's just no way I can wait anymore. We gave Ross some of our rankings. He looked through them. He has some call-outs for Heath Cummings. Let's get to it. What stood out to you? Well, so by the way, the rankings that Dave sent me are Jamie, Dave,

and Heath. I don't have yours, Adam. Neither do I. I could just slaughter Jamie because he's not even here to defend himself, which would be fun. But Heath, now I'll tell you this much, Heath, okay? I respect your rankings because they're not like chalk ADP rankings, and there's a decent amount of variance. Like you have your own opinion. Jamie and Dave's rankings are like they copied off of each other. It's like Jamie and Dave's rankings are like when I was in college at Princeton, and I'd be like, okay, let me put Camara number four. What does Jamie have?

Okay. Dalvin Cook five. Okay. Let me write that in. I mean, Dave, you're in Jamie. It's like you did it together. Heath at least has some originality. The problem is, Heath, it's garbage.

It's not good bro i mean in what world in what world is derrick henry number three let's just start with that okay i i'm a i i love physical running backs i love guys that pound i i was at the uh i called the game for Wester where they beat the Ravens. Like I love Derrick Henry, but the third guy in fantasy football trash trash. Yeah. I mean, he's explain, explain yourself on your own show. It sounds like Dave sent you the non PPR rankings. And that is the world where Derrick Henry is number three, where catches don't count. I still think like the Titans had too much success last year to change what they're

going to do Derek Henry's going to get 300 carries going to run for 1400 yards and he's going to score double-digit touchdowns that makes you maybe he's number four or five but that makes you a top five running back if catches don't count well but yards in the passing game still do counts that's correct uh and i didn't know i didn't know this was non-ppr that helps you a little bit still still no i mean still you still can't put them ahead of zeke like that i don't understand that's wild heath that's wild man and the other thing is the other thing is he like they lost Jack Conklin that's a big loss in my mind at right tackle the other thing is I love Derrick Henry's style but he just got his contract now and there's not a really good track record of guys with his style lasting all that long.

Now, maybe this is the next year that he's still – here's what I'll say to you, Heath. If he has 300 carries and 1,400 yards this year, I will fade him in any fantasy and betting way you can possibly fade a human being next season in 2021. With his size and his battering ram style, those guys just don't last long. I mean, we love watching Christian Akoye and Barry Foster and all these guys. But like every time NFL dudes bounce off of you, it looks sweet when they bounce off of you. But that still hurts you. That's still bad for your body.

So I just wonder if he can keep up that pace and if they can keep having the lead like they did in those games so he gets those carries. Because if they're not, you know, they're going to have to throw up more. He doesn't give you very much in the passing game. So I would have Derrick Henry lower. I don't have rankings. I have O-line rankings. But I would have Derrick Henry lower for sure. There's no chance I'd have him ahead of Zeke, Kamara, and Dalvin Cook.

Ross, is it your experience that football players, they're working hard to get paid, and then once they get that huge contract they just take their foot off the gas i wouldn't say that i would just say it's a really tough sport like i mean it's it is a physical grind just i mean i tore my right mcl twice broke my left hand herniated disc in my back in Buffalo, L4, L5, L5, S1, discectomy, laminotomy, foraminotomy, had a surgery. My career ended.

I herniated my C5 and C6 in my neck against the Ravens, bruised my spinal cord. And the doctor, I said to the doctor, I'm like, what do you think? And he's like, I think you're 28. You went to Princeton. You have a bruised spinal cord. You should get a real job. I was like, okay. And you became a fantasy football analyst. So you 28. You went to Princeton. You have a bruised spinal cord. You should get a real job. I was like, okay. And you became a fantasy football analyst.

So you obviously didn't listen to that. Yo, I haven't seen that guy in a while, but I want to, I mean, I was 28 right now. I'm 41, but I want to be like, still no real job, bro. Still no real job. I'm in my, I'm in my detached garage with my game balls behind me just talking on podcasts, Ross Tucker football podcast, whatever, loving life. So I say this about D linemen a lot. I think there's some truth to it with running backs.

I believe you have to dangle a carrot. The physical punishment and the effort needed at those positions is so significant that there's really not a good I mean think about Todd Gurley think about David Johnson sure I can give you a lot of D Lyman Albert Hainsworth over the years, Dana Stubblefield, those positions are so strenuous and take so much out of you because of the punishment that you really have to have that carrot dangling in front of you that you're chasing. Once the guy gets the carrot,

once he eats the carrot, there's a long history of them not being as productive. And the Titans, for whatever reason, they just gave Derrick Henry the carrot and he just ate it. And it's 25 million fully guaranteed over the next two years. That's probably all they're going to get out of them. Now, you know, there's outliers. Bettis had a, you know, a style and, and played for a while, but I mean, the way Derek runs and that's the other thing too, you go back to the playoffs. I feel like everybody's remembering the playoffs. Those holes were gigantic. I mean, I don't know if you guys have ever seen the guy. He he's like the most beautifullooking football player I've ever seen.

The first time I saw him, I was like, who is this D-end? It was at the draft, I think. I'm like, who's this tight end? They said, that's Derrick Henry. I'm like, you've got to be kidding me. I mean, he's like 6'3 1⁄2", 250, and like shredded out of his mind. So when you give him a seven-yard running, when they kept running the left side behind Saffold and Taylor LeJuan,

you give him that seven-yard runny, and nobody hits him until he's got a 10-yard head of steam, he's going to get some yards. I don't know if they're going to be able to block up from that well again. I don't know if he's going to have those holes, and he just ate the carrot. Bunch of different reasons why I'm not as high as Heath is. Okay. Anything else? This is very fun. Anything else you'd like to call out Heath for?

Yeah. Well, first of all, I agree with Dave in having Zeke over Saquon. So this is another thing I'm calling Heath out because Heath has Saquon as number two. I'll say this, by the way, I'm going to make a bold claim here before I forget. Now he's number one. He should be number one. But I wrote an article earlier this off season for The Athletic, if you look at how many more snaps Christian McCaffrey had last year than any other running back, not just touches, I mean plays on the field, it's like he played four or five more games than most running backs.

And the year before, he got a lot of touches too. So he's still young. I think he'll be fine. I think he will, but it's a lot. I mean, you guys have to tell me, you know, you go back to priest homes, you go back to Tomlinson. How many years in a row did they have? Like Dave, I'll ask you this, right? Like the guys that are like the guy, what's the longest run you've ever seen of them being the guy. Tomlinson is probably it. I mean, all the great ones tend to last at least eight years. They play eight years at a high level. The study that I did on it, and I've been doing the study now for over a decade, it's right around 21,100 career touches before a running back really

starts to slow down. To me, it's not necessarily about their age. Everybody talks about, well, when they turn 30 years old, they turn to crap. It's not necessarily that because guys have been in the league that have proven that to not be the case, but usually it's eight years. You can squeeze eight years, especially if it's a running back that's got good prowess out of the backfield can catch the ball like McCaffrey can like Lydian Tomlinson could Priest Holmes didn't have it for eight years though injuries did catch up with him yes it seemed to me like when I'm talking about guys being the number one fantasy pick that that only lasts a couple years usually but I think it's important to not just look at touches because he was on the field for 250 more snaps

than anybody other than Leonard Fournette and Deke Elliott. 250 snaps. So if a running back is on a field for 50 snaps a game, that's like five games that he was on the field. So just something to keep in mind. But I like Zeke. And look, I'm from Pennsylvania. I've met Saquon multiple times.

I watch every snap Penn State plays. I love Saquon Barkley. Unbelievable kid, everything about him. And I will say, Heath, to your favor and Jamie's favor, he was banged up for a lot last year. So if he's healthy this year, that's huge

in his favor. But I also feel like sometimes we should just be numbers driven. I feel like sometimes Saquon's big play potential and highlight worthy plays overshadow Zeke's consistent greatness you know Zeke doesn't have that many plays that make you drop you know make your jaw drop whereas Saquon has like won a game. I would go

Zeke probably at two like Dave instead of Saquon, like Heath and Jamie. I think Zeke, like I see somebody who's running back lists where like Zeke's like eight. What are you talking about? I mean, it's almost like people are bored of Zeke and that his consistency doesn't excite people as much as some of the home runs. I mean, the other guys can hit. So Zeke has averaged around a 90% success rate over his career in non PPR fantasy league. So he's getting you at least double digit fantasy points, non PPR 90% of the time it's unheard of. That makes him an easy guy to go with over Saquon Barkley and non-PPR, and it's a lot closer in PPR.

But this is what it comes down to for me, Ross. Would I rather have the running back that plays twice a year against the Cowboys or the running back that plays twice a year against the Giants? I keep telling you the Giants have a better run defense than the Cowboys. That's great, but the Cowboys are going to have the lead in that game, and they're going to be able to run the ball more. But Barkley's going to come off the field?

No. The Cowboys can control the clock in those games, and Zeke will have a better chance. I mean, that's going to be the case in every game for the Giants. They've been bad for years. Barkley was the number one running back two years ago. All the more reason to go with Zeke, who's just been a little bit more consistent. These are Heath's rankings.

Hey, guys, guys, guys. Let Heath get in there. Yeah, guys, we're trying to bash Heath here, okay? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's remember what the theme is. So, Heath, Miles Sanders at 13? Have you seen him play football? Oh, yeah, this is a good one.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you watch the second half of last year? Adam is loving this. Have you seen the other running backs that the Eagles have right now? Their backup running back is Boston Scott. I happen to like Boston Scott, but Miles Sanders, he's going to be

Brian Westbrook for the Eagles this year. To have him at 13 is a little bit of a head-scratcher for me. I'll let you talk to that. Then I got some Chiefs ones for you, but Miles Sanders, go. Yeah, I would just say Doug Peterson, he might stick for a full season with a feature back. A lot of what we saw last year, even when Sanders took off, Boston Scott

was still getting nine touches a game. They've done that with Corey Clint. They've done it with Wendell Smallwood. There's always some other back there getting seven to eight, nine, 10 touches a game. It was okay last year because they didn't have any wide receivers. They threw 15 times a game to their running backs and there were plenty of touches for Sanders to be a top five running back and Boston Scott to still be heavily involved. I think they'll have a couple of wide receivers this year. I'm not sure there's quite as many targets there. Sanders has top five upside, certainly, but there's just a little bit more risk than there are with the other guys in the top 12. Got it. So I, I think he's going to carry a heavy load. Um, I think it'll be the closest they've been to like LaShawn McCoy's workload

or Westbrook, uh, certainly since Peterson's been there. And I think the receivers are better. You know, we'll see what Jalen Rager is able to do. We'll see what Deshaun Jackson does come back from injury. I don't know. I think Sanders is going to get a lot of usage. And I thought your Chiefs rankings were interesting. And I specifically wanted to ask you about Travis Kelsey at 11. So what I do in a lot of my drafts, I tend to take Kelsey or Kittle. I like having a stud tight end.

So I do a lot of best ball drafts. I like having a stud tight end. So it feels like in the second round, I see who else is out there, and there's still a bunch of receiving a bunch of running backs and like i want to get one of the two best tight ends i might be with you on this one heat i just think it's interesting kelsey at 11 is way higher than your buddies oh yeah it is and it's even i think it's probably five or six spots higher than adp but you just look at the advantage he's given you over the last four years at

that position. He produces like a top six wide receiver, top eight wide receiver and a top 10 running back. And the difference is the replacement cost at tight end is like the number 50 or number 60 wide receiver. Like you can get a bunch of wide receivers in the middle of the draft. It will get you much closer to a second round wide receiver. Then you can do the same with tight ends and Travis Kelsey.

So let me clarify. He's 11th for you in non-PPR? I believe that's correct. Okay, because he is not a top 10 running back in non-PPR. In PPR, you're 100% right. He does perform that way. And he doesn't have to be to justify that draft spot. But yeah, in non-PPR, he's more like 15th or lower most years

i just i just looked that up the other day uh you got to understand ross teeth is a chiefs fan so of course you know he's going to push them all up you know well hold on a second though he's way lower on clyde edwards hilaire oh not anymore, is he? Heath, you have the floor. This, I think, will get to one of the points that we really wanted to talk to you about, and it's the rookies in this offseason. I have moved Clyde Edwards-Hillier up into, in PPR, I've got him at the end of the first round, and non-PPR, I've got him in the middle of the second round. There's certainly top three or four, maybe top five upside, but I am still a little bit concerned about all of these rookies. And if this was a normal offseason and he'd had rookie camp and he'd had OTAs and he was going to play in the preseason and get a full training camp,

I would probably have him higher than both those guys by the time we got to the start of the season. But I'm just a little bit worried he's going to have to share more than he normally would as he learns to play in the NFL in regular season games well so there's a lot there I would say in general right if you want a strategy or philosophy for this season and this is not like groundbreaking I'll tell you the thing I think that people might find a little more interesting in a minute but I would shy away from again these are usually just tiebreakers if you will kind of like we were talking about the offensive line before the show started so these are more tiebreakers but not loving teams

with new offensive coordinators new head coaches new quarterbacks you know I'm not loving rookies I'm not loving and this is the one that's a little bit different I'm not loving second year guys as much as I normally would so this is a personal anecdote but my first year and I was undrafted rookie but I was kind of like oh my gosh this is crazy. There's Jeff George, and there's Bruce Smith and Daryl Green. Like, happy to make the team, right? Like, happy to make the team. When we came out for the second year, like, OTAs and minicamp, and I had a year under my belt,

and I lifted weights for four months and was ready. I took the field my second year. Like, I belong. I'm the baddest dude out here. Yeah. That's Bruce Smith. I'm going to go kill him. And I'm going to go kill LeVar Aaron. Like the mindset for me was so different from year one, year two. And I'm, I don't know if these guys will be impacted by not building up that confidence more in year two in the offseason. So I would say when in doubt, stay away from the rookies, stay away from guys that have new quarterbacks, guys that are in new places, all that stuff, new offensive coordinators. But I would even say if it's a tiebreaker between a second-year guy

and a fourth-year guy or six-year guy, I just wonder if some of these guys won't take as much of a second-year leap as they normally would have because of the truncated offseason. Well, I think that points to one of the debates that we're going to have a lot over the next month and it's clyde edwards e lair against miles sanders against josh jacobs in at least a non-ppr maybe ppr will be for the first two at least i think it will be really interesting to see if edwards e lair ends up ahead of sanders in terms of adp and and you guys you guys know this but pass protection is really important Patrick Mahomes I don't know how to tell you guys this but he's kind of a big deal and the Chiefs want to make sure that he doesn't get hurt Edwards Hilaire might get eight padded practices before the first game the problem is I don't know if the Chiefs trust the other guys

they have you know it's one thing for me to say that like I don't know if they I don't know if they're going to trust Clyde Edwards Hilaire in pass protection but who are they going to trust I mean you know none of these guys have been there that long, have that many reps doing it, are that familiar with it. It's scary no matter what. I guess I just, if those padded practices, if the first few padded practices, he's getting smoked by linebackers and safeties and or doesn't know what he's doing, that's problematic. And he might not end up being out there for as much of the third down action as we think he will be because of how good of a receiver he is so let's just talk about this whole situation in general and what are the rookies missing not having had rookie minning camps not having been around

their teammates really that much and then no preseason games but in a in uh you know in a trade-off of no preseason preseason games do get, I guess, like a longer training camp and more practices, though. They're going to wait a while to put on pads. But what are they missing, and how big of a deal do you think this is? They're missing an awful lot. I think it's a huge deal.

You know, back when I played, there was NFL Europe, and the reality is guys that went to NFL Europe, once there was 12 or 14 OTAs and two minicamps, guys that went to NFL Europe, they never made the team. Never. They only used them for the roster exemption. Because if you miss those 20 practices in the spring,

you're so far behind everybody else, because you've already put in the whole offense. You've repped it. So those guys, not only they missed the 20 practices, and I know they're doing Zoom meetings. I got news for you. We're going to find out real early this season which guys are good Zoom learners and which guys aren't, okay?

Because there are some guys that they can do it on Zoom, like we're talking right now, and they can see it. There's a lot of guys, they got to be on the grass. They got to actually be out there and physically doing it. So they missed 20 practices. And by the way, the 20 walkthroughs before the 20 practices, that's like 40 times where they can physically go through their assignment and what they're asked to do. Then you get the training camp. You know, they're not even putting the pads on till like August 16th or something.

All they're doing is lifting weights. All they're doing is lifting weights. That doesn't help you. You know, you need that muscle memory of actually being out there, and I'm sure they'll have walkthroughs or whatever. So I just think, especially when it comes to pass protection, the running backs are missing a lot. I'm sure they'll try to get as much seven on seven work in as they can so that young receivers,

young tight ends can work with young quarterbacks, et cetera, to try to get the timing down. But here's what I'll leave you guys with, not leave you guys with on this topic. There's a, there's a like piece. Uh, there's a reason why Tom Brady had all those practices in Tampa in June. Sure. There's a reason, right? Like the NFL PA comes out and says, it's a bad idea, guys. The next day, Brady posts on social media. No excuses. You know what I mean?

Like the guy's 43. He's the best player ever. And he's still, it's important. Like, you got to be on the same page with your quarterback and the skill guys. You got to know what the guy's going to do. You guys don't even need me to tell you how much those reps matter. Just look at what Brady did.

He didn't care. Cam Brate got COVID. Brady's like, get him out of here. Bring in OJ Howard and Gronk. Like, he told you with his actions, it's critically important. And so, people that didn't have that, the rookies, the new guys, and these other teams, they're in major, major trouble, especially the first month of the season.

Which, by the way, there could end up being value there, right? So people are going to start to freak out on some of these new guys and some of these rookies the first month of the season when they might be slow. You might be able to make some trades in early October that really pay off later in the year. Those guys just need that time. See Heath, you guys have a lot more in common than we thought. I was going to say like the whole purpose was him destroying my rankings. And then I was just pushing him towards

the thing that I wanted to talk about because he said, I love it. Every bit of it. Make those trades after the first month for sure uh ross let's talk about your offensive line rankings uh what what can you tell us what's what stands out there what do we need to know so i think a lot of people intuitively know who like the top lines are and who the bad lines are i i think what needs to be discussed is the lines that there's a lot of a difference from how we thought of them last year. I think that's what matters, right? Because everybody kind of knows Cowboys have a good line, the Saints, blah, blah, blah. And then they know the teams that have terrible offensive lines. They know the Bengals, the Chargers the this year actually uh the Washington football team

um and there's even more stuff now with Nate Solder and Marcus Cannon opting out I mean this I'm having to update this thing on the regular what I would tell you is tremendous value especially this year in teams that have the same five guys back so while a lot of people might have the Colts at three or four Colts are my number one offensive line this year number one because on every play you are working in concert with the guy next to you not just communication but like a feel for it's one of the reasons why your podcast is so successful. You guys kind of know when Heath's going to talk

or when Adam or when Dave. Because you've done it together a lot. The first time you did it, you're kind of looking at each other. You step on each other a little bit. The Colts, they'll never step on each other a little bit. The Colts, they'll never step on each other.

They are in sync. So teams that I'm higher on than other people are, the Las Vegas Raiders, they got a good old line. I mean, Hudson's a stud. Trent Brown's good. Incognito had a great year. The Las Vegas Raiders have a top 10 offensive line in my mind and all five guys are back for whatever reason you don't see that a lot of other places but that's a big

one for me um i also think that the houston texans last year this time i had them number 32 they were kind of the the butt of all the jokes, right? Then they traded for Laramie Tunsil. And it's like, okay, so now they're one good guy, one decent guy, and three terrible guys. Well, you know what? They kind of got better during the year. They kind of were okay. They had some young guys, you know, like Max Sharping and Titus Howard out there playing and doing pretty well.

Now, I still have them at 20, but they got the same five back. Last year, they were a negative. This year, they're neutral. Who knows? Maybe they'll even end up being a positive. Now, on the flip side, the Philadelphia Eagles had the best offensive line of football last year. I mean, they were – Lane Johnson's awesome.

Kelsey's awesome. Brandon Brooks was amazing. Sam Malo's pretty good. Peters was pretty good last year. This year, they have legitimate question marks at left tackle with Andre Dillard and with Jason Peters trying to move to right guard. Former teammate of mine, that's a big move. I've seen a lot of guys try to move from tackle to guard and fail miserably.

So the Eagles go from being solidified at every spot to having two legitimate question marks. So that's another one to keep in mind. Those are the ones that really stand out to me. You know, the Chiefs now have issues at both guards left and right because of Laurent Duvarnay-Tardif going ahead and opting out I love that I love to try to sound cultured when I say that you nailed it when I do the pronunciation you're just trying to fool everybody but so not only do they have two guards, new guards, right? It messes with the communication on both sides.

So the center and both tackles now have new guys working next to them. It doesn't sound like much, but it's the difference between both guys going up to the linebacker and leaving the nose tackle free to make a tackle on Clyde Edwards-Hilaire in the backfield. So those are the ones that probably stand out to me the most. Certainly the Jets and the Dolphins threw a lot of resources at it. I mean, they both drafted and signed at least 5-0 linemen. So I like that.

I like that they're investing in the position, but it's a lot of new faces and a lot of new bodies for having eight to twelve practices before the first game but i ask about two offensive lines quickly just to see where they're ranked first one is cleveland because they definitely address the offensive line they had conklin at right tackle jedrick wills left tackle but i'm gonna guess that you're not as high on them because they've got two new tackles, and that was a big problem spot last year, and maybe it'll take them a full year, maybe half a year. I don't know.

You'll tell me for them to really gel. And then the other offensive line that I had questions about is in Chicago and where you have the Bears offensive line, because I think that line needs to be really good for David Montgomery to at least match what he did last year, if not beat what he did last year. So those two offensive lines. Yeah. Good questions, Dave. I have the Cleveland Browns at 12. Most people have them in the top 10, but Jedrick Wills played right tackle at Alabama. Now you're having them play left tackle

with eight padded practices, maybe before he's actually out there going against it. We'll see. I mean, I don't know how much he practiced in his left-handed stance this off season, all those kinds of things, probably a lot, but you still need to go against guys in pads to really get that feel for it. And then we'll see how Conklin does. You know, Conklin has kind of been up and down his career, and I'm not sure he's worth the money that he got. And there is a track record of offensive tackles going to new schemes and not performing as well. Plus, now you have communication issues and continuity issues on both sides of the line. So I'm a little bit lower on them. I mean, I still have them 12. Petonio's a stud. J.C.

Treasurer's pretty good. Wyatt Teller's all right. But I have them lower than a little bit of people. The Bears are a problem. I mean, the Bears, first of all, I don't know why they got rid of Harry Heastand. I thought he was a good offensive line coach. I don't know what Castillo will be able to get done there. Kyle Long retiring. They're in a bad spot at right guard. I mean, Rashad Coward should not be starting. And their solution was to sign Jermaine Afedi,

who was a failure at right tackle in Seattle, and say, we'll put him at right guard. Like I said earlier with Jason Peters, I've seen that go poorly a lot of times. They keep swapping Daniels and Whitehair between center and left guard. I have no idea what they're doing. That's a terrible idea. And I even thought the tackles both took steps back last year. So I think, I don't know if I said the number, but I have them at 26. I don't think they're going to give you what you need for David Montgomery, Dave. All right, I got one. Tell me if you agree with this.

A little bit of a sleeper here. I know you like continuity. The Falcons, they drafted two rookies two drafts ago. They had some injuries last year at both guard spots. I'm hoping that those rookies from 2019 get better in 2020. Where do you have the Falcons? I have them at 17. I think you make a good point.

It really is going to come down to the right side and those second-year guys. I mean, they took two guys in the first round last year in Chris Lindstrom and Caleb McGarry. Both of them had their issues, right? Like they both were in and out of the lineup with injuries. They never really got a chance to play together that much. I think it's fair to say they were both probably disappointing.

That's why I had him at 17. They have the potential though, Adam, to take a huge leap. Alex Mack is still a dude. Jake Matthews is solid. Carpenter at left guard is just kind of a guy. I wouldn't be surprised if Jermon Brown and maybe even Matt Hennessey, the rookie from Temple, try to push him at left guard. I don't know why they paid Carpenter as much as they did, but it really didn't come down to the growth of those second year guys. Falcons took him in the first round

for a reason. They could take a big jump in year two and make the Falcons a top 10 offensive line. I like that they have all five guys back. The issue is what I was saying earlier about second year guys and the lack of practice time for McGarry and Lindstrom. Well, this was, this has been a lot of fun. I mean, what an awesome show this was.

Thank you so much for coming on Ross. Great stuff. We appreciate it, man. Yeah, my pleasure. Thank you guys for having me anytime you want me to come on and bash Heath. I'm happy to do it.

Um, and you're totally right, Adam. I'm, I'm happy to do it. And you're totally right, Adam. I'm thankful that he came on the Fantasy Feast podcast today, but Dave has no idea what he's talking about. I mean, clearly I was the star of that show and carried the show. No, I'm telling you, Dave is good, man. I mean, that was – I usually keep the show about 30 minutes, but Dave was – I mean keep the show about 30 minutes, but Dave was –

I mean, we went for 40 because Dave had all kinds of info, and I was intrigued by him not liking Aaron Jones, Odell Beckham Jr. I love Odell Beckham Jr. this year, so I had to go at him for that. So anyway, if you're looking for an extra podcast people listen to or watch the Fantasy Feast, if you need more Dave Richard in your life, because everybody needs more Dave Richard in their lives. Sure. Ross says I copy or whatever in my rankings, but he mentioned Zeke ahead of Saquon, which only I have. And he mentions how I've got Odell and Aaron Jones lower.

Well, maybe Jamie copies off of you. I don't think either of us copy off of. I don't remember looking at Jamie's rankings once before finishing my own. It happens every time. Ross, you're 100% right. Every time we do a rankings dispute, it's always like, okay, here are Heath's rankings because he's totally the only one who's different. They're simpatico.

They've been working together for like 15 years. They're offensive linemen. That doesn't mean we copy off each other. They're a left guard and a left tackle working together. They're just simpatico. They've been working together for like 15 years. They're offensive linemen. That doesn't mean we copy off each other. They're a left guard and a left tackle working together. They're just simpatico, man. They don't copy off each other, but they have similar rankings. Ross Tucker, at Ross Tucker NFL. Great stuff.

Make sure you check out the Fantasy Feast podcast and all of his other podcasts. And thanks again for coming on. Have a great weekend. Yeah, my pleasure. You guys as well. Thanks for having me. We're going to take a quick break on fantasy football today. When we come back, we got your buyer's sale.

We got some emails, and I'll tell you about the first podcast I ever did with Dave Richard right after this. Metro Lynx and Cross Lynx are reminding everyone to be careful as Eglinton Crosstown LRT train testing is in progress. Please be alert, as trains can pass at any time on the tracks. Remember to follow all traffic signals. Be careful along our tracks, and only make left turns where it's safe to do so. Be alert, be aware, and stay safe. What does possible sound like for your business?

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And again, we thank Ross for coming on. And getting offensive line insight from an offensive lineman is really cool. I wanted to ask him about the biggest meal he ever ate with a group of offensive linemen. I imagine there's a great story there, but, uh, didn't, didn't have time. The first time I did a podcast,

do you remember our first podcast, Dave? No, I don't even know what year it was. I don't even remember. I don't even remember the exact year Jamie and I started podcasting, but I do remember that we were told when we started, like we went to somebody at CBS who was working there at the time and said,

we really want to start doing a fantasy podcast. Uh, maybe once a week, that sounds good. And we were told podcasts aren't going to stick. They're not a real thing. I bet. I know. We were like, I don't know. But we ended up, I want to say it was like 07 or 08. Jamie and I started. For me, it was 09. That was the first time I did a show with you. And it was just being you. I think Jamie was out. So I filled in, we had this hideous mixer with these, all these gross buttons on it.

I remember that. And we were in that radio room in the old office. Yep. And I just remember you said to me, like, I was like, I don't know. I maybe asked you a question.

You go, ask me anything you want. And that was it. That was all I needed to know. Cause I didn't know the depth of knowledge that fantasy analysts had, you know, the way, you know, all the depth charts, all the players you knew. And you asked me, ask me anything you want. You said, ask me about anybody you want, something like that. And that was the only advice

you gave me. And then we just started the show. And has there been a time in the years since where I've said to you, oh, I'm not sure who that is. Of, of course not. Pretty rare, right? It doesn't happen very often. And the other thing that I'll say is fantasy analysis has changed so much since 2007. I mean, it's crazy. Yeah. Just like the data that we get now and the data that we lean on now is so much better than that guy's good.

He's on a good team. Start him. Like we've come a long way. Yeah. But I really realized at that point, there's just so much more to what you do than what I had ever imagined. How old was I at that point? 25?

No, let's keep it up. Ask me about anybody you want. I don't know, and I recognize, and I apologize for earlier in the week breaking news during the podcast that was not actually breaking news, but this came from Adam Schefter, want i don't know and i i recognize and i apologize for earlier in the week breaking news during the podcast that was not actually breaking news but this came from adam schefter bill's rookies had been sent home after their fifth rookie tested positive for coronavirus oh man so that's not great but if we're going to put a fantasy spin on that let me let me actually

give you uh give you something to talk about here. No, I understand what you're saying. Look, every COVID conversation we're going to have is awkward. So it's just... We've been dealing with baseball. Terrible. Right? We've been dealing with baseball.

You have to talk about the fantasy analysis. I was drafting today. We did a draft today, 14-team PPR, and I realized that for me right now, the toughest thing in fantasy is which running back to take in the 4-5 swing, which is a little bit different in a 14-team, obviously. But

I had determined before you told me this that Devin Singletary was, after Jonathan Taylor was off the board, Devin Singletary out of like David Montgomery, Devin Singletary, Tariq Cohen, Mark Ingram. Singletary was the one I wanted before all this. So that's just, everybody's going to have their personal preferences, but I

like him a lot. Who's the running back that you guys look for? And you can include Cam Akers and DeAndre Swift in there as well. Who's the running back you guys look for in that range? Would it now be Singletary? Do you think he kind of pushes up toward the top of that group? I took Singletary in round four of the very draft you're talking about. So I would say Singletary. For me, it's Ronald Jones. He's right in that range. I'd rather have Jones than Singletary at this point.

There's one other thing to remember. Sending the rookies home now may not necessarily crush their progress in learning the offense. Because remember, they're not getting on their progress in learning the offense. Because remember, they're not getting on the field in pads until mid-August. I believe there's one team out there. I can't remember which one it was. It might have been the Bears or the Giants. They don't plan on having any meetings or anything with any of their players

until like August 9th. And then another one, just the other team whether it's the bears the giants they don't plan on doing anything team related until mid-august but so sending players home now if it's only for you know a couple of days i don't think it really makes a difference i believe the thing that was negotiated though with this whole thing was that players would get they have to pass the test and then be gone for a couple days and and then pass a test. Correct. And then they get a ramp up period of 20 days where it's just weights and walkthroughs because they want all the players to have enough time to do all the physical things before they had to go hit. I would presume their ramp up period would start after they come back. And

this is not part of their ramp up period. I don't think the ramp up period is a mandatory period that every player gets i think the ramp up period is just a general part of training camp that every team has you know it's like if you players are up for training camp they pass the physical that's not my understanding at all but okay well then maybe i'm wrong and one of us i could it before I say anything else. Okay, well, we'll figure it out Monday. Let's table it until the next podcast. Absolutely, we'll know more. All right, so we'll follow all these developments. There might even be a bonus pod that breaks over the weekend.

We'll keep you posted. Let's finish the show with some buy or sell, see if we have time for emails. I really want to get to emails, so let's go quickly on these. Give me a little bit of analysis. Buy or sell, Joe Burrow can be a top eight quarterback. It's from Robert Thomas. Joe Burrow can be top eight this year. Not this year.

Sell. Buy, as in could, because that was the word he was used. Yeah. Okay. Give me the percentage chance that it happens, Heath. 25.

From Texas Bruins 67. Carson Wentz will finish as a top five quarterback. I'm going to sell that as well. I think it's like a 60% chance he does not. 40% chance he does, but that means sell. I'm going to buy it. I've got him ranked seventh. Probably two of the guys in front of him won't play 16 games, so if he plays 16 games, he will finish as a top five quarterback. Will he

play 16 games? If he plays 16 games, he will. Carson wins. When does he get hurt? Fantasy football egg, which sounds delicious. Brashad Perryman was the number three wide receiver in the last five weeks of the year. Buy or sell that he has sneaky upside.

Brashad Perryman. I'll buy it. I like getting him real late in deeper drafts. I'll buy it. Buy or sell from Danny Perez. Adam Thielen will be a top five wide receiver. Sell. I think I have to buy it.

Ooh. I said earlier in the week, like when I changed the Vikings pass volume just a little bit, Thielen moved up to seventh in my PPR rankings. Wow. So now you're going to move them up two more spots? Get them in that top five?

It's close enough. Whatever. Yeah. This one's from Dylan. Buy or sell? Ingram and Dobbins will both be top 24 backs so there's a part of me that really would love to say bye for that but i'm gonna sell i think it's too hard for both of them to do it it's more likely than either of them do that's probably true maybe no I don't agree with that.

I don't agree. Touchdowns. Yeah, it's just... All right, whatever, whatever, whatever. All right, Ricky Smith. Buy or sell, there will be a receiver worth having from the Ravens that isn't Mark Andrews or Hollywood Brown. Sell.

Sell. From Zachary Roth. Buy or sell. Ryan Tannehill will finish as a top 15 player, a top 15 quarterback, in six points for passing touchdown leagues. And DJ Chark will finish top 15 in PPR. And Melvin Gordon will finish top 15 in PPR. Sell, sell, buy.

Yeah, what he said. From Rick, buy or sell Brandon Ayuk leads rookie wide receivers in catches. Sell. Sell. Sell, but it's not crazy. It's not crazy. All right. Emails at fantasyfootballatcbsi.com. From Joey C. from Viva Las Vegas.

Long time listener. Yeah. How do you guys feel about Austin Hooper this year on the Browns? I don't share that sound. this year on the Browns. I don't share that sound. I think he can be okay as a low-end starter. I think he's going to get a lot of touchdowns this year. I want to clarify.

No reaction to that, Heath. I just backed you up with the actual... No, that was good. But Dave said he disagreed with me and then said he could be a low-end starter and i would just say like austin hooper's been a top five or six tight in the last two years i agree if he stays healthy this year he'll probably finish 11th or 12th that's just in my opinion no see i would imagine that yeah that sound means like you're gonna to be out of the top 15. You're going to suck eggs.

You're going to be horrible. And people are going to laugh at you. And they're going to laugh at the people who draft Austin Hooper. That's what that sound means to me. I think he's going to be more like, eh, than want, want, want. All right, next email. I'm having fun. Luis Ramirez from Houston.

Hey, cheapies, DJ Milk, Big Cane 1 or 2. We don't talk about cheapies anymore. The podcast... Cheapies isn't part of it. You guys always refer to NFC ADP as a benchmark. I looked it up and that's the National Football Championship, a high-stakes fantasy football website slash community. Are you doing that to see what the industry is trending towards?

Would you recommend for us fantasy players to pay close attention to this, along with following our favorite fantasy experts? What would be the recommendation, aside from picking the players that you believe in and using this NFC ADP? I use that because it is the earliest ADP that is not heavily influenced

by whatever site's projections or auto picks. Those people are playing for money early in the year, and it's people that all humans making draft picks. There will come a point when CBS ADP will be mostly what I reference. It will be after Josh Allen's ADP has fallen below 40. It'll be after the third preseason game, typically. But we don't know. I don't know what the schedule is going to be

like this year, like when people are going to draft. I imagine drafts are going to be pretty late this year. They should be as late as possible. And it's not like you have to find a day where everybody can get together in the same place at the same time. Yeah, i will say like another thing about drafts that is i saw some the point someone else make and i'm in a slow draft right now several of my leagues were slow drafts

in the past i am trying to push all of them to not be slow drafts this year um because people just sit on the clock for six hours and wait and see if somebody pops out before they pick. Drafts need to take place all on the same day, if at all possible. All right, this is from Rick. Hey, Mark, Craig, Brad, and Austin. Hmm. That feel like this is so gettable.

Mark, Craig, Brad, and Austin. I feel like Cleveland Cavaliers. Mark Price, Craig Elo, Brad Doherty, but I don't know if there's an Austin. Austin Carr, was he ever? He played for like 17 teams, so it could be. Yeah, he might have been on the Cavs. If I got that.

What about the, it could also be Jets, right? Mark Sanchez, Brad Smith, Austin, Safarian Jenkins. That seems a little... Oh, it could be the Mark Craig Consulting LLC in Austin, Texas, according to Google. All right. Anyway, let's put the illegal lineup debate

to bed with two examples. If you haven't been following, is it okay to bench your DST on Monday night so you don't get negative points and win? We've had a debate about it. Number one, so he gives two examples of why we're putting this debate to bed. Number one, the movie Hoosiers. In the movie Hoosiers, Gene Hackman benches a player out of principle for not following his instructions. Another player then fouls out and the ref asks Gene to reinsert Raid back into the lineup. Quote, my team's on the floor, says coach Gene Hackman.

The Hoosiers play with four players. They left Raid on the bench. It's not an illegal lineup. And two, the NFL rulebook said, is there a penalty for only having 10 players on the field? Nope. As long as you have seven guys on the line of scrimmage on offense, you're good to go.

I reject this argument. However, referencing Hoosiers is awesome. Good for you. Two more here. Matt from referencing Hoosiers is awesome. Good for you. Two more here. Matt from a Chicagoland suburb. Darien, Illinois. Hey, Max, Clarence, Stephen, and Nils. It's the E Street Band.

Oh, yeah. He provided us the answer there, but we should have gotten it. Yes, we should have. I decided to test the trade waters for Clyde Edwards-Ziller in my Superflex Half PPR Dynasty League. I was sent the following offer. I would get Clyde Edwards-Ziller, Terry McLaurin,

and a 2022 first round pick for Christian McCaffrey. He is getting Christian McCaffrey? No. He's giving up CMC for that package. I would take that package.

You'd rather have Edward DeLair McLaurin in a first-round pick? I believe yes, that's correct. That would definitely be selling high on McCaffrey. I think I would do it too, but... I mean, we're putting so much stock into Edward Z. Lair being that dude for a long time. Yeah. Long time.

All right, this is last one. Petey from a small town in slower, lower Delaware. We've had a lot of like Delaware and Rhode Island type of questions. Don't start, Dave. Just come up with a damn town. Loserville. That's where Azar's from.

Hey, Avon, Omar, Stringer, and Bubbles. Love listening to you guys. Best football and baseball podcast out. Everyone give five stars and vote. Thank you. Yeah. Draft begins on Friday. 16-team dynasty, head-to-head non-PPR league.

Super Deke League, so just focus on rookies. The best non-rookie available is Sterling Shepard. I need a running back and a wide receiver. Wide receiver more so than running back. I have the first overall pick, then 13th, 14th, and 20th. Who should I take first overall? Who should I target 13th, 14th, and 20th? I know that he said just focus on rookies,

but we're all going to say take Clyde number one. I would take Sterling Shepard with either the 13th or 14th pick. If he's there. He probably will be because people are going to be goo-goo for the rookie. I think in our league, I traded the 13th pick for Sterling Shepard. That's wild. That's fine.

He's got, what, 13, 14, and 20, so he could get Shepard plus another rookie. I love targeting the rookie receivers that aren't expected to do well this year. Guys like T. Higgins. Maybe Michael Pittman is in that

conversation. Denzel Mims is in that conversation. Really like trying to get one of those guys who can eventually develop and be a regular number one receiver for their prospective teams. And then at 20, I think you could probably still count on... I don't know if AJ Dillon will still be there, but Anthony McFarlane should be there.

I think he's got some potential. Zach Moss might be there too. I would go with him even though the Bills just theoretically, I guess they did send him home. I don't know if he's sick or not. So you've got some good options. Definitely taking Edward Dillard first makes sense. And then mixing in Sterling Shepard with one of your next two picks gives you some safety.

Can't complain. That's going to do it for today's show. Special thanks to Ross Tucker, to Dave Richard, Heath Cummings, Ben Schrager, Jamie Eisberg, Ben Gretsch, everybody. And thanks to all of you for listening. Next week, it's getting serious. Position previews get started later in the week. yeah it's fantasy football time officially sorry baseball yeah uh we will talk to you on monday everybody have a great weekend if there's breaking news you can probably uh expect to hear a podcast we'll talk to them see you later