Fantasy Football Today - Running Backs Preview Part Two: Complete ADP Review, Best and Worst Values (08/06 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: August 6, 2025

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So what a play! Can you believe this? No idea. It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Off to the races, and he stays on his feet. It's just going to go the distance. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. Running Back's preview part two right now on Fantasy Football today,

presented by FedMGM, the sports book born in Vegas. It's Adam, Heath and Jamie here. We welcome you. If you're watching on YouTube, YouTube.com slash Fantasy Football today. It is Blue Shirt Day for two of us. Very similar blue, very nice Giants Blue we've got going on there, Heath. You look great. I moved Tyrone Tracy up in my rankings last night

and wanted to wear a shirt that reflected that since we're going to talk about him on the running back preview part two. I thought you guys were wearing scataboo. Very nice. When we were talking about scataboo's injury the other day, Dave, I-M'd me and said he has a scataboo-boo-boo. And it was funny.

I wish he would have said that on the air. So shout out, Dave. I'm going to start by asking you some quick questions about round one running backs. Not all of them. I don't think I'm going to ask you about Sequan Barclay. We've talked about him lot. We will get to him. But here's just some quick questions. Why is Bejohn Robinson RB1? He averaged

19.9 ppr fantasy points per game last season. That is the lowest in eight years for next season's RB1 in ADP. So Heath, why do you think Bejohn Robinson has climbed to number one in ADP? Because the guys that you could make the argument for over him have more concerns. And the first few picks of your draft, maybe even the first round or the one place, so you should be a little bit more concerned with the floor. Saquan Barkley, we've been over those concerns a million times. Devana H.N., had injury problems two years ago, and then two head injury problems last year. Jamir Gibbs hasn't been as good as Bajon Robinson when David Montgomery is healthy,

and he lost Ben Johnson, Christian McCaffrey, obviously Ashton Gentie, rookie, Derek Henry, old. So he's just the safest elite running back. Jamie, what kind of split, I actually want both of you to weigh in on this one, what kind of split are you expecting in the Detroit backfield? Because this story with Jemir Gibbs, if there were no David Montgomery, I feel confident Jemir Gibbs would be the 1.1 overall pick. With David Montgomery, he averaged about 19 PPR fantasy points per game last year, which would have been RB5 per game.

Very good, but not super elite. Are you expecting more Gibbs than what we usually get this year, Jamie? I am. I'm expecting a little bit more in the past. game as well so i think that's going to help him in ppr so he goes from potentially 52 catches to north of 60 based on how i think they're going to use him in the new offense and then you have the potential of maybe getting more carries based on montgomery and his injury concerns from the last couple of years plus being a little bit older Gibbs now going into year three so i am expecting

gibbs to get more work this year and i i don't i'm not really because like you If you were just expecting what he's did last year, then you're factoring in a three-game absence for Montgomery, I think. And I hate to expect more than that. Well, he was number one per game last year. Or no, he was number one overall last year because Barclay sat out week 18. I think he was number two per game. So I think basically what he did all of last year,

including the last three games without Montgomery, would justify a top five pick, right? Yes. Yes. But I don't, it's also. So, like, David Montgomery hasn't missed three games every year of his career. It's also possible David Montgomery plays 17 games. So, like, there is some, if that happens, then I think Jemir Gibbs could be worth the 12th pick.

So where do you have him? I know you're the lower guy. Seven? Okay. Seven overall, not RB7. All right. Next question about round one running backs. Rank V's in order of worry.

Yeah, your most concern to your least concern. Saquan Barclay's workload Over 480 touches last year Derek Henry's age Christian McCaffrey's injury history Jamie you can start Christian McCaffrey's injury history What's the Seqwan Barclay one?

His workload Sequan Barclay's workload Derek Henry's age I'll go McAfee Henry Barkley in terms of worry And then the last one is Who do you prefer Ashton Genty or Devon, A-chan, Heath?

A-chan. Jamie. A-chan also. Okay, why? And what is it that we're, the people are missing about A-chan? Because his ADP is 12th on fantasy pros. I think it's something like 14th on football guys. In our consensus rankings, he's, I want to say third overall.

I'll double check on that. Overall, what are people missing about A-chan? The logo next to his name. Is that it? Do you think they are missing the splits with him without Tua? Look, look at the names that he's around. You can mix these guys up in a lot of different orders. A lot of people still have Barclay won.

You know, so it's the love of Jamir Gibbs. It's the hope that McCaffrey's back. It's the expectation of what Genty could be. It's the seasons that Bijan and Barclay just had. So it's, and it's Henry's resume. You know, so I think when you look at those seven runs, running backs, there's going to be a lot of personal preference. And I think anytime, I know when I post the results of our drafts, and Heath has obviously

been the one that's taken A-chan the earliest, you know, I think when we see him in the middle of the first round, certainly the end of the first round, we don't get a lot of pushback. When we see him, I know there was one draft where you took him in top three, that's when we start to get the, oh, my God, why is A-chan going there? And then when you pull back the curtain and then you reveal why, and it's like, oh, I didn't realize he was that good with two. I didn't realize that he actually led the position in reception. I didn't realize that maybe he has this much upside. And I should be considering round one versus round two. So it's just a matter of, I think, you know, looking at him by comparison to all these

other great players, it's the same with the top end receivers. You know, I think once you get past the top three, all those guys could be in the mix for the top five, you know, Nico and Thomas and Puka and all those guys. It's the same type of conversation. So if you think that Puka, I'm sorry, You think that Tua is going to stay healthy, then A-chan does have an opportunity to be the number one running back this year based on how those two have operated together. So, you know, if you do believe in the dolphins and you believe that they're going to have a successful season

because their quarterback stays healthy, A-chan has, if he stays healthy, the chance to be a monster. Yeah, I think two things. They're missing Azer-Stets. Of course. It's the first thing they're missing. And I feel sorry for anybody who's missing Azer-Stats in their life. It's a source of joy.

And then the other thing is, I don't, I'm not even a believer in the dolphins. I think that they might be the worst team in their division, but they're missing receiving upside. Like, if they have to go 65% pass, it might be better for A-Chan than if they're running the ball more. Yeah, so the Azer stat, let me see if I have a... But that's just an Azer stat.

The Aeser stat is that with Tua-Tunga-Lewa-Lewa-Healthy, Devon A-chan was on pace for 1,7709. total yards, 17 touchdowns, he average a touchdown per game, 104 catches, 22.6 ppr fantasy points per game. You know, one person saying in the chat, and I think it's a good point. He said, I don't like to predict injuries, but, you know, A. Chan scares me. Gentie is a bull. So, yeah, you just look at their body type.

Genti does seem more likely to withstand the injuries. But, you know, but I guess the, you know, A. is like the receptions guy. He had 78 receptions last year, and with Tua, he was on pace for 104. I don't know that you can expect that. This could be, this could be Camara. I mean, Jentis doesn't deserve to be mentioned in Derek Henry's,

but it could be Camara and Derek Henry. Like, it could be stylistically. And it's not just last year's Azerstadt, but the year before, he had two games where he played a combined nine snaps. One of them at the beginning of the year, because he just wasn't a focal point. point yet, and one of them because he got hurt. And so he was over 20 fantasy points per game the year before when he was healthy. I think the expectation should be 20 fantasy points per game

for H& for as many games as he and 2 a stay healthy end. If that's 13 plus, then our rankings right. All right. Yeah, so he's fifth overall in our consensus rankings, and he is RB2 in our consensus rankings. All right. So do some quick news and notes here. We're going to just basically go through ADP in a bit, but Keenan Allen signing with the Chargers for one year, $8.5 million and I haven't been able to find the way it's structured. I'm hoping

there's some incentives in there, you know, to get it to $8.5 million. That's a lot of money to pay a 33-year-old coming off his worst season. But did you guys move... I'm not a lot of money. It is a lot of money for a 33-year-old coming off his worst season. It's also the team that he's spent

11 seasons with. That's wonderful. Do you think the Cowboys should have given Zeke? $8 million last year? No. They not that they did. First off, that's rude. I think what Keenan Allen will do for the charges is probably better than what Zeke did for the Cowboys.

I hope so. You should put a gigantic asterisk next to worst season of his career. But it was. It was a really bad year for him. But why has Keenan Allen been a 68% catch percentage guy for his entire career and was 58% last year? Just to put that in perspective in terms of worse year. It matched his worst year.

So he had another 12.3 PPR point per game season, which was the second year of his career. You also have to factor in, yes, it was bad. He had four games last season at 32 years old over 20 PPR points. Yeah. Look, I said it on his live stream last night. I don't know that it was his fault. DJ Moore had the lowest yards per outrun of his career. Roma Dunzee had one of the lowest yards per out run for any rookie in the last decade.

Keenan Allen, lowest yards per out run of his career. So I think it was a Chicago problem. But 33-year-old receivers, 33-year-old slot receivers like Keenan-allon, I think when you look at Larry Fitzgerald, when you look at Julian Edelman, they maybe age better than, you know, big physical outside guys or whatever. But just a quick question, because we're going to talk about this tomorrow. Did you lower Ladd McConkey in your rankings? Yes. Projections, yes, rankings, no, because I had a tear break behind him. And so it's that whole thing about who's wide receiver 14, 15, 16, and I don't really love them.

So he's still 13 for me. I dropped him from 13 to 16. So I put him behind Devante Adams, JSN, and Garrett Wilson. Okay. And Kyrin Williams signed a three-year deal worth $33 million, $23 million guaranteed. He led the NFL with 43% of his team's offensive touches in 2024. This is Kyron Williams. And if you were worried about that aspect of it, then hopefully you are not worried anymore because he signed this three-year extension.

Matthew Stafford's back injury is a maintenance issue, according to Adam Schaefter. They're optimistic about him being ready for week one. Shudur Sanders is going to start Cleveland's first preseason game. That's not necessarily a good thing for Shudor Sanders. But we knew he wasn't leading the competition. That seems like it's Flackos. Most exciting preseason game of the year. Why?

We get to see Shador Sanders for a half. We get to see Dylan Sampson. We get to see Harold Vann without the top wide receivers. It's going to be awesome. All right. uh cam ward's going to play in the preseason opener devon neal rookie running back for the saints he's out a couple of weeks with a hamstring injury and george kiddle wants his smelling salts back he is upset that the NFL is banning ammonia and smelling salts have you guys ever used smelling salts no no but what i'm reading is that they can ban the team from providing them they can't ban the players from using them i saw that nuance too um That is an interesting. Kittl's just going to bring a little bag over, his own bag on the sideline.

He uses it every drive, before every drive. I've had it once. I gave blood and nearly passed out, and I got smelling salts. They're insane. They are, holy cow. I gave blood and nearly passed out. It's probably the most adamant. Yeah, I know.

That is perfect. I know. I thought I was fine. Then I was walking out of the Bloodmobile. And it was, you know, very hot day in Florida. And I got outside and I turned right around and I went back in the bloodmobile and I was like, and they assisted me. Anyway, let's, yeah, we can get into it.

We can get an ADP here. Let's do it. Why not? All right. So what do you guys want to say about round one? So it's Bejohn Robinson. This is Fantasy Pros PPR ADP. He's got the second highest ADP.

He's basically tied with Sequin Bar. They're both at 2.8. So you got Chase with his ADP is one, and then Barclay, oh, I don't know what. Oh, you're looking at running back. Okay, so you can throw that up. That's fine. If you're going to hear different numbers from me than what you're going to see on that screen, if you just look at running back, the ADPs change a little bit.

But if you look at overall, Bijon is 2.8, Barclay's 2.8. Gibbs, 5th, McCaffrey is 9th. Henry is 10th Gentie is 10th and A-chan is 12th So that would be six running backs in the first round Robinson, Barclay Gibbs

in the top five McCaffrey 9th Henry 10th A-chan 12th Jamie your read on the first round ADP I mean as I said before when you're looking at these guys

I think it's pretty impressive how good these guys can be and so it's a matter of do you want to start your team with a running back, which someone is your preferred preference? Because as we know, people are going to pass on McCaffrey because of what happened last year. People are going to pass on Henry because of his age. People are going to pass on Gibbs because of Montgomery, Barkley, because of the workload. So it's a matter of, you know, what pick you have, what you think you can get in round two.

And then how you want to start, you know, with building your roster here. So the one that's a little surprising to me just based on PPR is Henry. Not that I don't think he's going to be great again, but he's just not going to catch as many passes as these other guys. So, for the most part, though, I agree. And I think A chance should be a round one pick. Yeah, I think from our, like the whole group's perspective, even though I'm the high guy, I'm Sequin's a little too high. For me, McCaffrey and Henry are also a little too high.

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I made a promise. I've never stopped looking. In Tracker, all episodes now streaming on Paramount Plus and returning CBS Fall. Okay, so again, round one is Robinson, Barclay, Gibbs, McCaffrey, Henry, Genty, and A-chan. Although, it appears that I didn't say Ashton Genty's name, did I? Yep, I skipped him. So there are seven running backs.

I apologize. Robinson, Berkeley, Gibbs, McCaffrey, Henry Genty, A. Chan. So that was stupid of me. My apologies. Seven first round running backs. Do you guys have a strong take on these guys should go after these receivers or anything like that? It's kind of a good jumbled mess in the first round just in terms of choosing wide receivers and running backs? I would take chase over all of them.

Lamb over all of them besides Bejohn. And then I've got the next, the top five running backs. And then a lot of wide receivers before you get to McAfrey and Henry for me. The only two that I do not have in the first round currently are Genty and Henry. Genty is like 13 or 14th overall for me. So just outside. Basically, if you have the turn, you're taking him either 12 or 13 for me. And then Henry is like a picker.

two behind that as well. Okay. And we kind of talked about if you have a pick late in round one, you might be more likely to find a wide receiver that you like in round two, you know, because you might be talking about Nico Collins, Brian Thomas, Jr., A.J. Brown, or Josh Jacobs.

And you might say, well, Josh Jacobs is not in the elite tier, whereas at least Nico and Brian Thomas are closer to the elite tier or in the elite tier. So that might influence your round one pick. Maybe you're more likely to go running back, if you so desire to leave round one and two with a running back and a wide receiver. Okay, unless you guys have anything to say.

You know what, Jamie, you mentioned Derek Henry on Monday's network show as just somebody that we kind of just have taken, I have taken for granted a little bit and haven't focused enough on him. What do you want to say about Derek Henry? He was the number three running back per game, basically tied in full PPR. He had 19 catches. Bejohn Robinson. Bajan had 60, and they averaged the same amount of PPR fantasy points per game.

And then let me give you this stat when they didn't score touchdowns, if I can find that. When they didn't score a touchdown last year, Bajon Robinson averaged something like half a point more per game than Derek Henry. So that really stood out to me. He wasn't touchdown dependent. But what do you think about Henry? I think he said it best on yesterday's show, if I'm not mistaken, or maybe it was another show. but in any event, like, I'm just tired of betting against him at this point. It's just until he, I'm assuming probably breaks down because, you know, he's not slowing down.

Who knows how long he can continue to do this, but he keeps himself in great shape. He's now on the perfect team for his skill set because even with the lack of receptions, they're going to be either in games or winning games almost every time. That's just been Harbaugh's format, formula, success. Lamar Jackson's format, formula success, you know, like they're just a great team. And that's been when he's been at his best, at least in the last several years, you know, going back to Tennessee. When they were losing, he was terrible. When they were winning, he was great.

And so he just has the opportunity to continue to defy father time until we see otherwise. So I hope he doesn't get hurt and break down. You know, the one time that it happened to him, he broke his foot and he couldn't play half the season. So if you want to take him in round one and you don't love those receivers or to your point, Adam, like, you know, if you think I need to guarantee myself one of those topics, seven running backs, and then I can still take a Brian Thomas, a Nico Collins, you know, we've seen him out around St. Brown fall into round two as well, Drake London, you know, whoever you ever cut off is AJ Brown. It's not a bad way to, you know, build your roster. So the lack of receptions don't hurt him. The touchdowns even at this point, you know,

not necessarily something that he has to have. He's just such a freak of nature that he's going to be in the mix to be the running back leader and the touchdown leader, I think, on a early basis. Okay. Round one is a very running back heavy round with seven them off the board. We have three off the board in round two, maybe four. Let's see. We have Josh Jacobs 17th.

Yeah, we'll say four because Kyron falls in at the turn. These are RB's 8 through 11. Josh Jacobs 17th, Jonathan Taylor 20th, Bucky Irving 22nd, Kyron Williams 24th. Chase Brown's going to be in round three, but we could, we, could include him in this discussion because obviously he's in this tier but he do you think it's a it's a natural separation there first of all between the round one guys up to a chan and gentie and then the round two guys jacobs taylor bucky kairn and then chase

brown maybe yeah yeah i think that uh i've got a pretty big gap now i've been the high guy on kairn and i'll probably remain to be the high guy on him i think projections wise he's very close to that top tier. And again, I don't have seven running backs in round one. I've got five. But I think Kyron should be right there at the top of this group and in round two.

Okay. So how do you guys see those four? Again, if you want to include Chase Brown, we can. Yeah, you have to include him. All right. So he's technically round three, but where is he in round three? He's 27th overall. We love that value. At least Jamie and Heath, do you also love that value?

I think I have him at 27th. Okay. So I'm fine with that value. All right. So then, you know, Jamie, it's Jacobs, Taylor, Bucky, Kyron, Chase Brown. We've got some provenness. We've got some kind of exciting day three guys in Chase Brown and Bucky Irving. Break down these five running backs. Jacobs, I think, is just, I brought him up on the show, too.

It just feels like we're taking him for granted a little bit based on what he did last year. You know, he's had one really down season, and it was the holdout year. And otherwise, he's been pretty consistent with his production. And so now Marshawn Lloyd has hurt again. You know, this is one of the, I think, I don't want to say surprise. This could be one of the surprise offenses. It just was the way last year unfolded for them with Jordan Love getting hurt. They didn't throw the ball as much.

They maybe weren't as prolific as some other teams. I think they have the opportunity to get back to that. They're certainly going to be one of the better teams running the ball. He's just like an auto select for me in round two. And so like Keith said, you know, Kairman is at the top of the list for him. I feel like Jacobs is, it's easy for me to say, is the top of the next tier, you know, so after the first seven, I just like the opportunity for him. Like he, he doesn't feel like as maybe explosive, which this is going to sound strange

to say, but like as explosives, maybe Chase Brown could be, or Bucky Irving could be, or even some of the guys ahead of him. You know, we're getting some comments in the chat that that Jacob should be ahead of Gentie. And you can make a strong argument for that, you know, because at least you've seen Jacob to do it, and we're hoping Gentie's going to do it. So I think in the case of Jacobs easy round two, Taylor, the receptions are not going to be there. It's a little bit of a mystery of how the quarterback play will unfold, but in any event, you know, Taylor is a safe, you know, round two pick. Bucky and, and Chase Brown are the wild cards. And if they hit to the level that we saw last year when they were at their peak, they probably should be round one

picks. But again, you know, you're hearing the Bucks don't want to necessarily go back to the end of season workload with Bucky Irving right away. They want to be a little bit more cautious. So you're going to see Rashad White. And in the case of Chase Brown, you heard from their office coordinator, they're going to use him that way. I just don't understand why people are not buying into it more, not that 27th overall is a bad spot for him. But to me,

feels like more upside than Kyrin's, more upside than Kyrgy Irving, more upside than Jonathan Taylor. So that's why I have him ranked. Heath, yeah, yeah, go ahead. Making the case for Kairn at the top is just that last year, Taylor, Jacobs, and Kairn were separated by less than a half a point per game.

the year before Kairn was much better than all these guys we were talking about second best in fantasy on a per game basis and the team that's given him

21 touches per game each of the last two years just gave him three more years so I don't really think we see a big step back and I think that's what separates maybe Taylor

and Jacobs also Jacobs maybe has one other season as good as what he did last year but we've seen him we know he's a great NFL running back. Taylor, same thing. Great draft capital has had these types of seasons before was actually better than Jacobs

and Kyron last year. Brown and Bucky are day three guys that we saw it from for about half a season. And so it was more explosive than the other three, maybe not than Taylor at his best. But do you want to bet on the eight game sample of the two day three guys? or the two-season sample for Kairn, the multiple-season sample for Taylor and Jacobs. I guess the question would be, though, is if we're going to attach Day 3 capital to those guys,

Kyron was also a day-three guy that got an opportunity to be a lead running back on his team and has run away with it. And the hope would be that Bucky and Chase Brown do the same thing. And their environments right now, now you could say no Tristan Worf's and maybe the offensive line, for the bucks isn't going to be as good and the competition for bucky is is a little bit more

concerning and chase brown look there's maybe some offensive line questions i don't know but um i think just in the way that these guys are and and i don't know where you come out on the heath but like they're all really close for me in my rank it's not like i'm this is not an anti-kyron right discussion so it's not you know don't i hope anybody to take it that way i just think like at this point i'm throwing out draft capital you know so because kairn has proving he can do that. I think Bucky's going to prove he can do that. I think Chase Brown's going to prove he can do that. So I don't really worry about that anymore. They're all going to kind of be in the same scenario here. And it's just a matter of will the Rams, to whatever degree,

because, you know, you said it last year, Kyron was third in touches per game behind Barclay and Jacobs. I'm sorry, Barkley and Taylor. I had him at the average more touches per game than you had them first? Well, no. I, The stat that I saw, Kyron, I read it on CBSports.com, he led the NFL and percentage of his team's touches.

That's what it was. Okay, but in terms of touches per game, Barclay had more touches per game and Taylor had more touches per game. The year before, he was number one. And it was basically the same number. So he's going to be around 21 touches per game.

If they continue to do that, will they take some work off of his plate? Not, again, to make it lower Kyran be worried about Kyron. I just think, like, Chase Brown's head in a direction that I think could be better than Kiron. And at this point, I like Bucky slightly better than Kiron, but very close. They're back-to-back in my rankings. And just to finish up the day three conversation, I think Jamie's right to say they're all three day three guys. I'm just more likely to believe the day three guys that's done it for two

years than the day three guys that did it for three months. Have a season. Yeah. That's a good point. I mean, I got to tell you, I have watched a decent amount of Bucky Irving tape, and I watched some more this morning. I'm completely blown away by him. He's incredible. Yeah, and, you know, I mentioned a few names of day three guys who averaged as many or more yards per carry than Bucky Irving and were drafted kind of high the next year. And they were Carryon Johnson, Andre Ellington, and Thomas Rawls. Okay, one of the differences between the two of them Is that they combined those three guys in their rookie years

For something like four carries of 30 or more yards And Irving had seven He's not super fast, but he's not slow And he's, I don't know, I think he's amazing And I really struggle with this decision So let's bring up a Twitter poll here real quick. I asked who was your favorite running back in this group in PPR? Bucky Irving, Jonathan Taylor,

Kairn Williams, or Chase Brown. I did not include Josh Jacobs because he's in ADP is sort of clearly ahead of them. But I mean, I really struggle with this. I go, man, if I take Kiron Williams, I feel like I like all of them. But with Bucky and Chase Brown, they seem a little more exciting to me.

But here's what the poll said. Bucky Irving, 27%. Taylor, 20%, Kyrin, 18%. Chase Brown, 35%. So that's pretty telling. He's last in ADP. That's really true He's your favorite

Yeah What changes if it's half PPR Is Bucky Taylor, Kyron and Chase Brown? Then I go to Taylor Okay So I got these guys ranked right now I think Kyron Buckie Chase

Or Kyron Buckie Taylor Chase Half PPR I'd probably be similar Okay And for the non-PPR folks out there What changes in non-PPR? Kyron Taylor, Bucky Chase. One concern I have with Bucky Irving is that he does not play on third down.

One of the lowest third down route participation rates among any relevant running. He's basically Derek Henry in that regard. He did have the fourth most catches on first or second down, and I do think they will design. They'll get it. I watch it. Screen passes, design plays for him, but he doesn't play on third down. So it will limit, he had three third down catches last year. That will limit his catch upside a little.

bit. And I don't see why they'd go away from Rashad White in that area. But maybe it changes a little bit. Maybe he gets more in on third down. Anyway, these are really good running backs, and we're excited about them. They're going to use Rashad White. That's the... Yeah. Okay, round three running backs. There's only three of them. And that is Chase Brown early in round 327th overall. And we've got, after him, I think it's Breece Hall. It's James Cook and Breeze Hall. Chase Brown, James Cook, Breeze Hall. Let's eliminate Chase Brown from this discussion, and let's do rounds three and four here, okay? James Cook, mid-round three, but with the holdout or the hold-in, that could fall.

Brees Hall, 33rd, 34th overall. And then we're looking at Alvin Camara, Ken Walker, O'Marion Hampton, Chuba Hubbard, and James Connor. So from this, if you're looking at this list, just add Connor at the very end. on YouTube. James Cook, Breece Hall, Alvin Camara, Ken Walker, Omarian Hampton,

Chuba Hubbard, James Connor. Heath, how should I feel about this group of seven running backs? I think that there's an up, most of these guys still have the upside

of everything goes right to finish as a low end RB1. Almost all of these guys have some sort of concern. I prefer Walker and Hall and I'm quite a bit lower on Camara and Connor. But I think that makes sense with what we said about Derek Henry in the earlier segment. Like those older guys I'm a little bit more concerned with, but Walker and Hall are the two guys I'd taken round three and Chuba's next for me.

Okay, Jamie, I'm going to give the names one more time and you give me your thoughts. James Cook, Breeze Hall, Alvin Camara, Ken Walker, Omar Ian Hampton, Chuba Hubbard. my two favorites Walker by far I'm glad that he came back to practice dealing with a sore foot so clearly there's going to anytime he gets hurt is going to scare people

based on what his track record was missing all the time than he missed last year I get it it's going to make people a little bit sketchy to take him in round three which is probably why his ADP is in round four Hampton's the one that's next for me and obviously we have a lot of things that play here

you have a backup running back maybe a 1A in Najee Harris. We don't know when he's going to return to practice. This eye injury is really, really puzzling just how it's all playing out. So hopefully he's fine and can be a factor, but it's giving Hampton the opportunity to prove himself. The biggest issue is, though, he's in a Greg Roman offense that they don't throw the ball to their running backs as much as we would like. And so will he even be the guy playing on obvious passing downs? Can he get to north of 30 receptions?

You know, I think that's a good number, but that's probably not much more than that. I don't know what you haven't projected for Heath. but the reception total is what scares me more than anything with him. The older running backs, you know, so I don't want to put Hubbard in the older running backs, but I think once you get past those two guys for me, this is now where I put James Cook. You know, so he's now a round four pick. I just nervous about the obvious regression from a touchdown standpoint. And then now you have this holding situation where who knows how it's going to play itself out.

You know, I think round four is probably where it's farthest he will fall unless he's going to miss game time, which I don't think will be the case. that's about the lowest I would go from. It's early round four. So when you get to Camara and Hubbard and Connor, like they feel like they're pretty good fallback options in this scoring format. You know, obviously half and non-PPR, Camara is going to struggle. I feel like Hubbard's another guy.

You know, Dave brought him up on the names we're not talking about enough. Like, I know I have a little bit of concern, and I know you brought it up earlier this offseason about, is he just the guy that kind of ended up in a great situation? and, you know, is he, is he that good? Well, he was that good last year. And again, his competition, Rico Dowdell and Trevor E.T.N., how much will they take him off the field?

I don't think very much. So Hubbard may be one of the more undervalued players. Forget about just running backs, undervalued players, that it's just like, okay, I'll take him when he's there, don't really love it. By the end of the season, you'll probably be like, oh, I'm glad I have him on my team. Yeah, Chuba Hubbard, I did bring up, is he just the guy?

when I look at this list of running backs, he's the one that scares me the most as being just the guy because he was in his career. I mean, look, if you just go back a year ago, they bring in Miles Sanders, they draft Jonathan, sorry, Jonathan Brooks.

They once upon a time had Jonathan Stewart. They draft Jonathan Brooks. I don't think Chuba Hubbard was necessarily in their long-term plans, and then everything changed for him. And he had a great year. He was RB9 per game after the first two weeks of the season.

Remember the first two weeks of the season Bryce Young played. He was horrible. He got benched. And he all came in. He played okay. Bryce Young came in later. He played pretty well.

And Chuba Hubbard was RB9 per game. But that wasn't the first time in Chuba Hubbard's career that he got an opportunity. At the end of 2023, he also did. And he wasn't that good. I think he was like RB21-ish per game. So I actually have it right here. He got the last 12 games of 2023, Chuba Hubbard became the starting running back.

He was on pace for 28 carries, 38 catches. He averaged 3.7 yards per carry, 12.4 PPR fantasy points per game, which is going to be right around RB24 per game every season. So how much do you buy the jump?

Two years in a row, he had big work. One year he was RB24, one year was RB9. I think part of the question is do you expect the Panthers offense to be improved? And it wasn't great last year. but improved like it was last year, especially in the second half,

or disastrous like it was in 2023. I just think it's interesting comparing Chuba to James Cook. He's had Cook's going a little bit ahead of him, right? About a full round ahead of him based on this ADP. They were about a half a point per game different last year with Cook scoring 18 touchdowns to Hubbard's 11. Hubbard had 43 more carries and 11 more catches.

I think even with that, the holdout concerns. I know I did. I had Hubbard ahead of Cook. And with the holdout concerns, it should be pretty easy to put Hubbard ahead of cook. I think the one thing,

though, to your question, Adam, like, can he do it again? You can make a lot of comparisons between Chuba Hubbard and Kairn Williams. Because a lot of people will question is Kairn Williams that talented. But he's in such a great situation. And Chuba Hubbard,

the situation got so much better the last couple of years because of Canales and his system. But mostly last year with the offensive line, And they really went out and said, we are going to make our offensive line good, and they did. And so the only question for me would be is, are they going to give some work to other guys? And I know Rico Dattle, compensation tells you not so much. And Trevor Eton draft capital tells you not so much.

I'm just curious to see if they will because who knows if they wanted to last year. And it was just Miles Sanders and what he looked like. I mean, clearly, like, to your point, they drafted Jonathan Brooks. The hope was that he was going to be the running back to the future. and, you know, for that kid's sake, maybe he is. But then they give him the, they give Hubbard the contract extension, and he sort of just took off from there. Like he, and he hasn't looked back yet.

So it just feels like this is a great spot for him in drafts. And, you know, just based on the ADP, forget about how we have him ranked. You know, so, like, he's taking him over James Cook, for example. When you start to just stack up these players, if you go, I don't say zero RB, because taking a running back around four is not really a zero RB strategy, but like if you if you play in a in a two running back two receiver league to come away with stud running back round one two receivers rounds two and round three and then you get tubba hubbard round four it's a pretty good start i would say i would ask you guys though if you look at this group again of james cook breeze hall camara ken walker omari and hampton chuba hubbard how would you feel about coming away and james connor how would you feel about coming away with two of them if you started you know wide receiver tight end or wide receiver wide receiver wide receiver

would you draft two of these guys in rounds three and four? I wouldn't be opposed to it, you know, if it's the right to, you know. So, Brise Hall, somebody I don't draft a lot of because I'm concerned with, you know, Justin Fields and the talk just from everything Aaron Glenn has said. And now the Braylon Allen news of, you know, him maybe being the David Montgomery role if it's the Detroit offense. So I just don't draft him in this spot. Like if he's there in round four, I would take Briseau.

I wouldn't take him in round three. um in ppr yeah camara walk like if you tell me i come away just based on my rankings camara or hampton and then hubbard or or camara or hall you know in in the fourth round then yeah i'm fine with it all right well and king walker's part of this group right yes so if i yeah if i got kin walker is my rb one and one of these guys is my rb2 and i've got elite wide receivers or an elite wide receiver and elite tight end yeah i'm i'm i'm okay with that I'd like to talk a little bit more about Ken Walker, but we're going to have a super long show,

but that's okay, right? Let's take a break. Let's take a break. Why don't you just factor in Walker and Charbonnet and then you killed both of them? Yeah, I mean, look, Charbonnet is obviously super high-end handcuff. Walker has to be more efficient.

He has to be, and will their offensive line be good enough? I think it's a big concern. So, anyway, we'll talk about that when we come back on fantasy football today. Okay, yeah, so Ken Walker. Ken Walker has had stretches in his career where he's been so good. You know, basically first round good, maybe second round good.

But here's where he's finished per game in full PPR. 17th, 21st, and 12th. In half PPR, 16th, 20th, and 13th. In non-PPR, 14th, 17th, and 16th. His best stretch was probably his rookie season after Rashad Penny got hurt. His last 11 games, he was a top 10 running back per game. First five games of last year, Ken Walker averaged 22.3 people. our fantasy points per game, but then he averaged fewer than 12 points per game in his last

six. He only played 11 games. He does get injured a lot. His yards per carry keeps getting worse, 3.7 yards per carry last season. Hasn't really been a third down guy, hasn't been a two-minute drill guy, so somehow he was on pace for 71 catches last year. But you guys had Ken Walker as number one in this group, ahead of Cook, ahead of Hall, Camara, Hampton, Chubbard, and Connor heath why i think that a new offensive coordinator clink kubiak will improve the run game efficiency at least a little bit and i think that like ken walker has to be more efficient than he was in the last what six games last year certainly before those last six games he was averaging four point four yards per carry for his career and in the first six games of last year

Our first five games of last year, he was averaging 4.7 yards per attempt. So the bad year last year in terms of efficiency was a really awful, dreadful six weeks where he never averaged more than four yards per carry. But we've seen enough evidence, I think, that Ken Walker has the ability. Somebody commented the injury history scares him. And if you're worried about injury history, I think that's a very valid point. He's had a hard time staying healthy. but we know he's a home run hitting running back. Everything we've heard this offseason is that he's the lead running back,

and they're going to run more. So I think there's a chance, if you can stay healthy, for maybe 280, 300 duches. Okay. All right, let's wrap it up there. You got 46 catches last year, too. In 11 games. On pace for 71, I think I said.

Yeah, 71 catches. Okay. So James Connor, we haven't really gotten to. I think it's worth noting that James Connor left two games early with an injury last year. Or, yeah, less than 30% of the snaps in those two games. You take away those two games. James Connor was on pace for 1,765 total yards, 50 catches, and 11 touchdowns. Really, really good stuff.

His metrics, the last two years in Arizona, have been awesome. It looks like one of the best running backs in football. And I know we're all laughing about it. But we've now heard the coach, the player, and both the players, I think, say that Trey Benson's going to get more work for sure. Nobody seems to believe it. And I haven't really adjusted my projections either. But, like, Trey Benson was a good prospect and did improve as the year went on. And Connor is older.

So I think it's at least a possibility. It's certainly something they keep saying is going to happen. Let's go to rounds five and six in ADP. And that would be starting with RB20, Joe Mixon. who I took in round six last night and Jamie chastised me for it. Yeah, well, there was a reason for that, though. Yeah.

By the way, with, yeah, somebody asked if I said chubbard and yes, I did, that was, that was on purpose. That's a nickname for Chuba Hubbard. Just easier to say. Joe Mixon, DeAndre Swift. Heath, do you like the Andre Swiftish? DeAndre Swift's fantastic value. David Montgomery.

Those are round five guys. Mixing, Swift, and Montgomery. Mixon's ADP is a little bit hard to gauge because you've got to figure it's falling. It might be more like round six now. Trayvion Henderson, R.J. Harvey, Aaron Jones. Do we have any more in round six? I think we do, right?

Caleb Johnson, I believe, is in there. Let's find Aaron Jones. And Isaiah Pacheco is after Aaron Jones, Caleb Johnson, and that would be it. So it starts with Mixon, then in Swift, Then David Montgomery, Trayvion Henderson, R.J. Harvey, Isaiah Pacheco is in there. Aaron Jones, Isaiah Pacheco, and Caleb Johnson. So we have rookies, three rookies in there.

We have a lot of veterans. Jamie, you like this range? Round is five and six. You like these running backs? Very much so, you know, especially if, you know, you draft with more of a hero RB approach or certainly a zero-rb approach, but, and you don't necessarily have to pick a quarterback or tight end

in the first four or five rounds. So you're, you know, stockpiling receivers in a three-receiver league, especially. And then you get to this range as your RB2, like it's a great place to be. You know, these guys have so much upside. The rookies do at least. I think Swift does.

There's no way I'm taking mixed here unless we get anything positive in the next couple of weeks that he's going to guarantee to be playing week one and no issues. I would not take Aaron Jones here. there's also that you're not seeing on the screen there's also Pacheco and Caleb Johnson Pacheco and Caleb Johnson I think are toward the back end of this group but yes this again you

have to trust that Harvey and Henderson and Caleb Johnson are going to lead their backfield at some point this season and hopefully for a significant stretch of the season but again if they do I think they're going to run away with it because of how good they could potentially be so yes I think there's a lot to like about this group It's also, clearly there's a lot of flaws. So this is, you know, going to be where the dead zone is, you know, now shift a little bit. This is clearly the range of these guys. But, you know, again, if you load up on some of these receivers, look at the receivers that are on the board here.

You know, Cortland Sutton and DeMonte Smith and Xavier Worthy, there's a lot to like. There's also a lot to fear. So I think there's as much upside with the running backs as receivers and maybe more. There might be three tiers represented for me in this huge group of running back. So for me, Swift and Henderson are round four guys, and I would take them over Camara and Connor, who were in the earlier group. And for me, I think Jamie probably said the same thing,

but Jones, Johnson, and Pacheco are more maybe end of round six guys that I don't want to take in the Harvey. Like Mixon, I'm still fine in round six, but if we go another couple of weeks, I probably won't be. Joe Mixon's been a top 12 running back per game in six of the last seven seasons in half and full PPR. He's perennially underdrafted. That used to be Tyler Lockett, too, but that everything does come to an end at some point. And Mixon's 29 years old with a preseason foot injury with perhaps the worst offensive line in the NFL.

So certainly this could be the year where that run comes to an end. Pacheco was RB20 at this point last year in ADP. and when did we have this conversation, Jamie, on Express or last night? Yeah, so if you didn't hear last night on the live stream. Oh, it was both. It was actually both because you said that Pacheco was one of the guys you're drafting a lot. I just don't really see what's all that different about his situation. I mean, it is different, and that's why he's not being drafted in the second round.

But the first two games of the season, he scored 15.8 points against Baltimore, great run defense, and 16.1 fantasy points against Cincinnati. He had 17 touches and 24 touches. his whole season was derailed by injury. I really think Kareem Hunt is one of the worst running backs in the NFL. However, I do think he could factor in near the goal line. I think he has value there. I'm actually more concerned about Mitchell as a backup.

I'm sorry. I don't see all the negatives with Isaiah Pajekko, and Heath, you're saying he's barely around six pick for you. Yeah, I just, like, we know how running backs generally score fantasy points or touchdowns and catches. And you have to trust a pretty small sample size to believe that Pacheco is going to do a lot of either. I think even when he's been the feature running back in 2024,

he scored seven touchdowns in 14 games. 23. Yeah. And he scored nine. He scored seven rushing to receiving. Okay. Well, right. But that's really what matters.

There's like receiving touchdowns for running backs are about as random as it gets. And it's more based on the volume, I think, that you get. And I'm not convinced he's going to be a big catch guy. In fact, I don't think he will be a big catch guy. And I don't think he will be a big touchdown guy. And the last time we saw him, I know there's some training camp videos where they're not allowed to tackle him where he's looking really good. But the last time we saw him, he was terrible. Worse than, according to Adam, the worst running back in the NFL.

One of the worst running backs. And so, like, maybe I think taking him in round six and feeling about him like you do, like that probably feels like a great win and it could turn out to that. But I can't get them up into the round four or five territory with guys that I think might be top 12 running backs or could be. I wouldn't take him in round four or five. But I happily take Pacheco in round six, I guess earlier in round six than Heathwood. I don't think we're too far apart. I just think there's more optimism on my side. But that's fine.

um david montgomery is rb 22 in adp he's outperformed that on a per game basis pretty substantially each of the last two years so montgomery was uh rb 15 per in full ppr he was rb 15 per game last year and in 2023 he was 15th per game so and even better than that in half and non ppr so is he is he jamie is montgomery a steal in this fifth uh yeah i mean he could be it's it's um it just depends on i i think a how is the offensive line going to hold up for detroit missing a couple of guys be the one guy at least missing um the the change in coordinator you know how much will that matter i think the one thing that's in his favor is dan campbell and what we've seen from dan campbell is he loves the physicality that david montgomery brings

and the touchdown potential and the touchdown scoring for That type of player in this offense for the last three seasons, it's hard to get past. Jamal Williams three years ago, David Montgomery the last two years. It's basically a touchdown per game. Like, it's hard to get past that. And so to Heath's point about the receiving touchdowns, like you never want to predict this many touchdowns for anybody or project as many touchdowns for everybody. But like, I'd be shocked if he played a full season and did not have double digits

in touchdowns, like shocked. So if he stays healthy, that's the floor. And then it's looking at last year, does he have more a role in the passing game, which I think surprised a lot of people are in the season. How much will he actually continue to be the lead rusher and get as many carries or maybe more than Jemir Gibbs? So he's a great fallback option here. I think this is the appropriate spot for him. Late round five, early round six. I think people are forgetting about him because he missed the last three games of the season and didn't really play much in the playoffs and how good Jemir Gibbs could potentially be.

But like, he's not going away. You just have to think how many games will he might miss. And like he said, if he doesn't miss three games and he stays healthy for 15 plus, then we're looking at probably not as good of a Jamir Gibbs. And we're looking at one of the better value picks for fantasy managers. Okay. Let's go to rounds. And this was, you know, Johnny just brought this up in the chat.

We say this a lot. Montgomery misses times. Look out good Jemir Gibbs. What if Jemir Gibbs misses time? Yeah, pretty good. Pretty pretty, pretty good. Let's go to round 7 and 8 here. It starts with Tony Pollard.

It's Pollard, Brian Robinson, Jr., Tyrone Tracy, Jr., Jalen Warren, Cam Scataboo, and Quinnshon Judkins. I'd say at this point we should not be drafting Cam Scataboo or Quinchon Judkins in round eight. Agreed? Agreed. Judkins, for sure. I think it's too soon for Scataboo. There are other guys that are probably a little low on ADP that I think we like a little more, like Tank Pigsby, for example. Right.

But, yeah, but, listen, Scataboo, if he gets healthy and continues to build on way the training camp started, I don't think there should be that much separation between Tracy. Like right now, yes, it feels like there should be today with Scataboo hurt. But if he's as potentially legit as he was looking, like we could see Tracy, you know, losing work early in the season, maybe middle of season for sure. So round seven and eight running backs are pollered. Brian Robinson, Jr., Tyrone Tracy, Jalen Warren. We don't think Scataboo and Quinchan Judkins can be there, should be there. But with Pollard, Brian Robinson, Tyrone, Tracy, Jalen Warren, Heath,

are any of these similar to some of the running backs we just heard in round six, which would be Pacheco, Aaron Jones, Caleb Johnson, R.J. Harvey, Trayvion Henderson. I have most of this group ahead of the bottom three that I said in the last group. So, yeah, I think for me, Pollard's my favorite. and then Tracy and Warren are just at the bottom of the top 30 running backs. You like them better than who, than Pacheco. Pacheco, Johnson, Aaron Jones is right in the mix with those guys. Oh, man, that's so interesting.

Like Tony Pollard versus Isaiah Pacheco, I think the argument for Pacheco is much better offense. No, that's not my argument. My argument is that there were nine games that Pollard and Spears both played together last year when they were both healthy, didn't leave early, and Pollard was on pace for only 236 carries and 43 catches, which is nice. In the games where Pollard played without Spears or with Spears leaving early, he was on pace for 328 carries. I don't think people realize there was actually a pretty big split last year, and they keep talking about wanting to make it even more even. 236 carries, though, I mean, and I know Pacheco hasn't played 17 games

a starter which it's year four so maybe that says something but 236 carries is 14 carries a game that's about what pacheco averaged in his best season uh but they keep saying that they want to make it more of a split and last year spears i don't know that i buy this but spiers was the goal line back last year right i think i don't think pacheco is necessarily the goal line back yeah all right okay i mean you make a good point um so all righty you have a big separation between those two, Adam? Oh, yeah. Absolutely.

I mean, again, I just, Pichiko was R.B. 14 per game two years ago, and he was a second round pick. So I am worried about Spears, really eating into that backfield, and I am worried about their offense not being that good. That is part of it.

It's just the split is more of a concern for me. All right. How about, when you look at Brian Robinson, Jr., Well, okay, just Pollard, Brian Robinson, Tyrone, Tracy, Jalen Warren. How do you feel about that group, Heath, as they should be your RB3, they should be your flex? What is it? I mean, they ideally would be your flex. I think Pollard's the closest to an RB2.

And maybe this guys are your RB2 if you really went zero RB. Or maybe they're RB1 based on ADP. But I get more excited about like excluding Pollard because he's called. clearly the top for me about Tracy and Warren in full PPR because of what they could do as pass catchers, then I can't get excited about Brian Robinson Jr. at all. They're not sure he's that overvalued in terms of where he's being drafted. I just with, I don't think he's going to ever have a great season. What about at half PPR?

Do you go Brian Robinson or Jalen Warren? I'd probably still go Warren. Jamie? There's the upside that Warren is better than Caleb Johnson this year. And I know that sounds crazy to say because we're all expecting Caleb Johnson to be this high profile rookie and steps in and runs away with the job. And he could. And I wouldn't shock me if he does. But so far, at least.

early in camp, and I'm guessing it's not dramatically different. Like he's been struggling in pass protection, and you have a 40-year-old quarterback and a coordinator who once upon a time was the head coach of a team that drafted the greatest prospect at running back that we've seen before Ashton Genty. Previous guy was Sequin Barkley, and he didn't use him as the full-featured guy. He used Tyler Algier. So it wouldn't shock me if they continued to use Jalen Warren as a 10-something-something,

carry per game guy and a four to five catch per game guy like or at least you know four to five targets per game um there there's there's a chance like he may have as much work if not more than Caleb Johnson the season like he's one of my favorite players to take in this range and I have Warren ahead of Caleb Johnson and full PPR so guys that everything Jamie said that surprises me because he's never he's never finished higher than 29th per game I think in full PPR or maybe I'm a little off on that but yeah but again I think that speaks to to what we see from coaches like a Mike Tomlin and what I'm afraid of from Marion Hampton

with Jim Harbaugh is that Najee Harris doesn't do things that make coaches crazy. Okay, but Jalen Warren's been the third downback and Najee Harris has, do you remember how many times throughout the last three years there's been a report? Jail Warren's going to get more work this week. And they never gave it to him.

They had all these opportunities to put in the spark plug, the guy that actually could make a big play, the guy that was a more efficient rusher than Najee Harris. and they never did it. It makes me think that they don't want to give him a big workload here. I don't think this. This is not he's taking the job and is going to be Derek Henry in terms of workload.

This is. Oh, Derek Henry. Well, you know what I mean? Like, he's not going to be. Tony Pollard. He's not going to be Tony Pollard. I don't think we're getting, barring a Caleb Johnson injury, 236 carries for Jalen Warren. I think we're looking at maybe, I mean, there's 260 vacated carries.

maybe there's a chance that Jalen Warren gets to 180 plus. Maybe he's pushing for 200 if things go very well for him. I think the passing numbers should easily favor Jalen Warren here. Yeah. And then you get to the second layer of this. We're expecting Mike Tomlin to be Mike Tomlin and maybe Arthur Smith to be Arthur Smith. You got a quarterback here who knows how to play mind games and F with everybody in that locker room and the coaching staff. And he may get control of everything.

and it's what he wants. Maybe. Maybe. Okay. I just think in this range of guys, especially in PPR, like you're looking for upside. You know, floor matters clearly. And Brian Robinson's floor is probably very safe because his competition is a 30-plus-year-old Austin Echler, a late round, you know, Jacori Kroski Merritt, you know, who's getting a lot of height, but we don't know how that'll work out. I don't want to take Brian Robinson, but he's,

still the lead running back on what should be a very good offense. Sure. Okay, Heath, just real quick, you said you moved Tyrone Tracy up. He's RB 30 and ADP. Where'd you move him to? RB 29, so great value. No, 27, actually. Round, I think that's round seven for me.

So it sounds like he is the, this Jordan run on saying that there's no competition for RB1 that Tyrone Tracy is the RV one to start the year. So I still think Scataboo could cut into that, but for now. But again, it's the same thing with Warren. Like, we're not inside the top 25 running backs anymore. No. There are going to be guys we talk about later that have more upside if somebody gets hurt. These are flex plays.

All right. So, again, I know we talked strategy yesterday, but since we're in this range, I'll just bring up what I did with the flex draft, which is a half PPR league. I took two receivers with my first two picks of C.D. Lamb and A.J. Brown. Kyrin Williams in round three, two more receivers in rounds four and five. And then we got to round six and it was, okay, the position was drying up. This was my next four picks. Tony Pollard in round six, Jalen Warren in round seven, Joe Mixen in round eight, and Tyrone Tracy in round nine.

Yeah. Now, that you should have taken Mixon in round six, but that's fine. LOL. L.L. L.L. No, that's great. Good job. But, I mean, again, that's how you can sort of, you know, manage this. Now, it may be four different running backs. Obviously, you know, we're seeing Tracy's value in just a matter of, you know, four or five days increase. Mixing probably a steal based on where he went, especially if you were drafting with Adam,

I would have taken round three. You know, so I got a little lucky with that group there, but I only took one other running back and it was just Dark West Hunter to handcuff Kyron Williams. Tyrone Tracy, by the way, in the last 13 games of the season was the number 16 running back per game and half PPR, number 12. 20 running back per game in full PPR, and only on pace for 235 carries. Their offense was so bad and 44 catches in there. Okay, moving on, let's just take a look at the rest of the groups of the rest of the running

backs here. And you guys tell me, who do you find yourself drafting a lot? So Scataboo and Judkins. When would you take Judkins, guys? 11. Double-disset rounds at this point. All right. Now we're up to pick 100.

Do you find yourself drafting these guys? Travis E.N. And if he, if this is too soon, but if he falls a little bit more, like, I think there's going to be a narrative that may be a little bit overblown against ETN because of the tank Bigsby hype and what we're going to start to hear, I think over the course of the next week about Tutin. I don't think ETN is going to get benched. And so he's going to have some semblance of a role. So if you can sort of take him as a high end reserve, it's fine. But I think there's some other guys I'd rather have in this range, including his own teammate, Tank Biggsby. I like him at pick 100.

Okay, next up is Javante Williams, 104th overall. How do you feel about Javante? How do you feel about the Cowboys running backs? What's the best value right now? Jay and Blue is the best value. Yeah, I think it's going to be a gross mess. I actually heard today that Miles Sanders is really legitimately read that he's still in the mix. Great problem.

I mean, that just tells you everything you need to know. Okay, after Javonte. I do think the more hype you hear for Williams and Sanders, the more I really want to take just Jaden Blue, the later he falls. Ramandre Stevenson and Najee Harris. Stevenson's so interesting to me because I don't think he's going away. Like, I don't think Treveon Henderson's coming in to be a 250 plus carry guy. And I know Stevenson's fumble history is awful, you know,

and he's already fumbled once in camp. And I do like the fact that he's lost weight. I think he's obviously threatened by the presence of Henderson. It's still Mike Vrable. And even Josh McDaniel's history, at least with that team, there's always been the pass catcher and the physical guy. And so I think there's going to be a stretch of the season probably early in the year. And the schedule is so great that Stevenson will still have some very good games. I'm total agreement, I think, with where Heath is on this and based on our rankings.

Like, Henderson should be drafted four or five rounds ahead of Stevenson. But, like, you saw last night, Adam, I took Stevenson. It was, I don't remember what round it was, but it was fairly late. Like, he's not a bad resort. I think it was like round 10. Like, he's not a bad guy just to stick on your bench and see what happens. They have a very easy schedule, so that could favor Ramandre, give him a few more touchdown opportunities.

Naji Harris, I guess you guys aren't super interested in right now. But is round 10 okay for Harris? Yeah, fallback Okay, next up we go deeper We love J.K. Dobbins at this point, right, in round 10? I like the guy behind him more, but yeah. You like Jordan Mason more than Dobbins? Yes.

Okay. So, are we like them better than Giovante and Ramandre and Najee? I think this is where, at least for me and my rankings, like this is where it starts to come down to roster build. So the floor is probably safer for Javante. I guess I like them better than Noggi, but the floor is probably safer for Devante, just given the fact that he could be the starter for the Cowboys. But I think the upside favors.

I mean, if Dobbins is the lead running back for the Broncos, you saw last year what he can be. If Mason is going to get as much work as potentially advertised behind a 30-year-old running back in Minnesota and Aaron Jones, like they're huge upside as well. So if you're just looking for, okay, I need somebody to maybe get me through a few weeks, I'm probably taking Devante. I hate drafting that way, so I would probably lean toward Dobbins or Mason. uh someone saying i expect mcalfrey get hurt this year i would get jordan mason mason is now on the vikings

so aaron jones could get hurt but yes you should be thinking about christian mcalfrey's handcuff which is who is it still garendo you think he's got the injury i think so okay for now all right garendo is very good when pressed into action last year after dobbins and mason we have zach charbonnet we have rashad white who do you prefer there shorts so again charbonnet i think is the much more high upside pick 11 games last year which was a career low for ken walker and charronet was awesome almost every time he got the opportunity to be that guy so if it's uh if it's what do you need to maybe get you through a few weeks it's probably rhod white but i would take the chance on charbonnet first we've got tige spears great value yep and we've got austin eckler

and then we've got tank bigsby at rb 44 that's you you i don't think that you can don't go into your draft thinking you're going to get tank bigsby in the 12th round it's probably a little ambitious right because you know because again adp it stretches over time there haven't been that many drafts yet bigsby's clearly a riser jaden blue maybe is well i think jaden blue's realistic in round 12 though um you got garendo you got nick chub is if you were going to take a backup running back on the texans who would you take um chub for now I wouldn't. Okay.

Bejal Tootin, Trey Benson, Tyler Algier. Because Bejohn Robinson hasn't gotten hurt, Algier is a very late handcuff, but certainly could be awesome if the list did a role. Yeah. And then you got Jerome Ford. So if you're not going to take Quinchon Judkins, which Cleveland running back are going to take?

I think you want to take either one. You know, Samson's a wild card just because I don't think he'll be the lead runner there. But you said this many a time. It feels like they want to replace Ford almost every time they give him the job. And so he's probably going to be the lead rusher, but I'm sure they're going to work in Samson. I said this when the Judkins situation was unfolding. I don't think Judkins and Samson or Ford and Samson changes very much that Samson's role was kind of locked in to some degree. He would get more carries with Jerome Ford as the starter versus Judkins most likely.

but I don't think that's going to change very much. I think Samson is going to be more of a change of pace guy, passing down the guy, two-minute type of guy, like until he can really prove he can be a lead rusher. You know, Jerome Ford taking a pay cut to come back clearly shows you what they think of him. I'll take Samson over Ford, but both are good values discussed. Somebody to think about in this range,

Austin in our chat says Bigsby could just take, oh, no, sorry, that's not the one. This was, it was in response to this. Forrest says Biggsby, nope, it was dizzy. Someone said, what is Bigsby's upside? And it's a good point. I think those two comments just said it for you. Well, right, he might, you look at all these running backs here. Bigsby might score more fantasy points than all of them.

But if, you know, obviously if Ken Walker gets hurt, Zach Sharbonny is going to be a lot better than Tank Bigsby. If James Cook gets hurt, Ray Davis is going to be a lot better than Tank Biggsby, we'd think. So it's up to you. you should if you want to take bigsby great it's a good pick but also put some guys who have almost no value if the running back if they if there's not an injury but have a huge value so again it comes down i think how you like to draft and for me who wait somebody who waits on quarterback and tight end like i'm usually looking for those two positions in the round seven through 10 range and then

because of how i have stockpiled running backs and wide receivers like these are easy swing for the fence type of picks. So you want to take Ray Davis and Braylon Allen and, you know, Dylan Sampson and these type of guys, Jaden Blue, Bashal Tudin, like, they're just, one of them is probably going to be awesome because of an injury. It might not be the whole season. It might be just a stretch game. So who are your favorite handcuffs?

Let's finish with that. Your favorite ones? In what range? In this range. Well, I mean, because, you know, Charbonnet and Mason go sooner than that. Yeah, in the RB-50-ish range. So Ray Davis, Tyler Algear, Trey Benson, so on. Davis and Braylon Allen are two of my favorites.

Davis and Benson for me. Okay. All right. I don't know if there's anybody else we need to talk about here. Anyone important? Rochon Johnson. Rochon Johnson. What do you think about the Bears' number two running back situation?

I would guess it's Rochon at this point, you know, just based on his um his opportunity what he's listed on as the depth chart at least i would guess it's going to be a fluid situation yeah you know which is why you're seeing djay more in the backfield a lot you know they're probably not happy with everybody except for dandre swift so uh i always butcher's name mona non guy manangai um is worth a late round flyer but probably somebody will end up cutting I think, you know, a couple of guys that weren't mentioned at the end of this. We got a few Woody Mark's comments in the chat, yes, because of the Joe Mixing situation. Jacori-Crossi Merritt is absolutely worth a late-round flyer at this point, you know, depending on where you're drafting.

And then you want to keep an eye on the backup situation in Philadelphia. I think it's being a split role right now between Will Shipley and A.J. Dillon probably would be a shared situation if Barclay had to miss any time. But, you know, similar to Tyler Algear, but obviously a lot less clarity. is if Parkley does miss any games. That offensive line we know is great, the system is great. I would bank on Shipley at this point, but it wouldn't shock me if Dylan gets a little bit more run

than we expect. If you have Jonathan Taylor, it seems like DJ Giddens could be a good handcuff there as well. Yep. Plenty of handcuff options. There are 32 teams, so that gives us a lot of handcuff options. And that's it for the running backs.

We'll start wide receiver tomorrow. Woo-hoo! The last of our position previews with tomorrow and Friday. Also, Thursday night at 10.30 p.m. Eastern, we are recording the mailbag. So that's going to be me, Dan, and Jamie at 1030. It's going to be insane. And Dan, correct me if I'm wrong, Dan's going out before that, right?

I think so. I think he has plans. So Dan's coming back in a great mood. Yeah, and there's going to be a lot of tennis smack talk. What would somebody have to donate for you to bring smelling salts and take them between each set? $1,000. I really like my idea. I don't like it because you're such a tennis guy

that this should be as more people donate, like you have to add layers of clothing. No. Like, why would you not make fun? Because I want to play and I want to win. But I just want to clarify. $1,000 donation and you will use smelling cells before you set.

I can't do it. I don't think it's safe. I don't think it's safe. So NFL athletes do it. George Kettle says he does it on every drive. Not good for Adam. I wouldn't even know how to do. I wouldn't even know how to how to smell them.

I'd screw it up somehow. We need you a tutorial. I just don't understand. Like, you know you're going to lose. No, I don't know that. I think I'm going to lose.

You know, you're going to lose. Why would you not want to raise more money for St. Truth? I mean, I mean, I'm in 24 fantasy leagues right now running them and setting up drafts. I think it's for the FFTO.

If somebody legitimately was going to give, let's say, like a $5,000 donation for you to work. like a weird hat you wouldn't do it of course of course five thousand dollars to do smelling salts five for each set yeah okay we're locked in what what if it's like you know we see a lot of these um you know challenges for fantasy punish or fantasy punishments or punishments for losing your fantasy league or like you know things to determine your draft things like what if it was like you had to drink a leader of so it I know you wouldn't do it but

Like, if you had to drink, you have to chug orange juice for five minutes. I mean, you basically just asked me to barf on camera, but I would do something like that. All right. We'll talk to you tomorrow with wide receivers. I'm going to talk to you tomorrow with wide receivers. I get hired to help find them. When lives are on the line. Coulter, please find my daughter.

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