Fantasy Football Today - Second Half Breakouts, Broncos-Browns, Fantasy Cops! (10/20 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: October 20, 2021

Is it OK to start players on their bye week to avoid dropping good players? Of course it is! After we settle that, we'll give you the latest news (5:00) and get into some second half breakouts (10:00).... Who is this year's David Montgomery? It might just be Montgomery himself! But also keep an eye on the Eagles (11:30) and Miles Sanders ... The listeners give their breakout suggestions (18:50) which include Mike Gesicki, Brandon Aiyuk and almost every rookie. Do we agree? And we spend some time discussing Javonte Williams (27:15) ... Some quick questions (33:00) about Christian McCaffrey, Michael Thomas, Kadarius Toney, Noah Fant and more. Then we preview Broncos-Browns (45:30) and spend a lot of time on D'Ernest Johnson before turning it over to the Fantasy Cops (56:30) and reading your Apple Podcast questions (1:02:00) and emails ... Your emails at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @ctowerscbs, @BenSchragg Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:21 Touchdown. Oh, he's done it again. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, Heath, and Beck. All right, everybody. Welcome to Fantasy Football today. Who is this year's second half breakout? I think we're going to talk a lot about rookies today. Which rookies could really impact fantasy in the second half? We're not even really done with the first half yet. I'll say that. But, you know, we'll stretch.
Starting point is 00:01:43 We are one third of the way through the NFL season, exactly. I'll say that. But, you know, we'll stretch. We are one third of the way through the NFL season. Exactly. Yeah, we are. And halfway through the fantasy season. After this week. After this.
Starting point is 00:01:53 Yeah, after this week. What do you mean? The regular season? Yeah, regular season. Okay. That makes sense. All right, well, yeah. But the second half breakouts
Starting point is 00:02:02 can still help you in the fantasy playoffs. So I don't really buy that. We're halfway through. I take issue with that. Adam, Dave and Heath here. It's not your birthday today, is it guys? Because I felt really bad.
Starting point is 00:02:13 I didn't know it was Jamie's birthday yesterday. I know. Yeah, I've literally never wished anyone happy birthday. So now your kids. You've definitely wished your kids happy birthday. Oh, geez. No,
Starting point is 00:02:30 for sure. Okay. Yeah. As long as, as long as their birthdays, they'll fall on Halloween. Heath is definitely going to celebrate with them. They're all in August.
Starting point is 00:02:38 Oh, wow. That's convenient. Expensive month for you. All right. So listen, we, uh,
Starting point is 00:02:43 we will talk trade, you know, as we always do on Wednesday. But we'll tell you who the second half breakouts are going to be. I asked you on Twitter who are the second half breakouts. We will discuss. Got a lot of votes for Javante Williams, which is just really interesting. People have so much faith in Javante Williams. Melvin Gordon's been better than him this year in terms of fantasy points. So obviously we're going to preview the Thursday game
Starting point is 00:03:05 now that we know Nick Chubb is out. A little bit of a debate with Dearness Johnson right now. Heath has Dearness Johnson, I don't know, about eight spots higher than Dave does. So we'll get into that. I want to start with something here. It is, I don't even think I need to play the Fantasy Cops music, but I'll get it ready just in case.
Starting point is 00:03:24 It is perfectly fine to start a player on a buy or players on a buy if you don't want to drop good players and you want to kind of sacrifice a week or at least take a chance. It's fine, right? Don't get upset about that. Let people keep players on a buy and not suffer later. This is the problem
Starting point is 00:03:47 with trying, and I started doing this in one league. I pretty much never do this. I'm the most hands-off commissioner you've ever seen in your life. And because some people were taking advantage of the IRR rules, I started policing people's teams. And it's just such a slippery slope and so yeah i i agree with what you're saying the problem is we have people every week that start players on a buy across our leagues because they weren't paying attention well okay we didn't penalize that guy for starting a player on a buy well i don't penalize I don't necessarily penalize people for that. I mean, I'm threatening to kick someone out of the podcast league for doing this. We've had repeat issues.
Starting point is 00:04:33 No, but you know there's a difference. I mean, if you can tell the difference between an engaged manager who's just trying. He's in a buy. He or she is in a buy week crunch. I think it's totally fine to say, all right, maybe I'm going to lose this week because i have so many players on by yeah i agree all right 100 all right guys dave agrees too yep two news and notes in a second i i want to tell you about our fantasy football today dfs podcast for those of you who love dfs or if you just want to get into it amazing advice on the fantasy football today dfs podcast it's frank stan Stamfel, Mike McClure, Sia Najad. Now, Frank
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Starting point is 00:05:52 Your news and notes. Jarvis Landry could play this week. Again, we'll get into that game a little bit later. Denver and Cleveland on Thursday. Nick Chubb out. Baker Mayfield. So, Dave, what do you make of this Baker Mayfield situation? He's got the shoulder injury. He hurt it again
Starting point is 00:06:08 last week. He says he's going to play. They said they are hoping he doesn't need season-ending surgery. What do you make of this Baker Mayfield situation? I'm scared that it'll impact his ability to throw accurately deep. He's already shown this year that he's had some
Starting point is 00:06:23 trouble throwing accurately deep. Does it mean that they're going to become more of a ball control offense and he's more of a game manager? That worries me quite a bit. I'm very, very nervous to start any pass catcher for Cleveland. Do you think that if he had to miss time, it would affect the running game when Chubb, let's just game when Chubb is healthy? Sure. To a degree. I shouldn't say...
Starting point is 00:06:50 It's not going to turn Nick Chubb into a pumpkin, but I think it definitely makes it easier for defenses to say, we don't have to respect the pass game with Case Keenum under center quite as much. Unless Case Keenum proves that he can do something that Baker hasn't been able to do.
Starting point is 00:07:06 And that's work with Odell Beckham beyond 15 plus yards. Okay. All right. What else we got in the news and notes? We got some left tackles that are out. Ronnie Stanley for the Ravens. Very good left tackle out for the year, but he hasn't played.
Starting point is 00:07:22 He only played in week one and they are, and they're an example. It's amazing. The good franchises with great quarterbacks can sustain so many injuries. Yeah, great coaching. Except when it comes to running backs, you idiots. Well, also, I tweeted the quote, but what Justin Herbert said about the Ravens' defense was so telling.
Starting point is 00:07:42 He said that they – maybe it was more about his own coaching staff, but they were just kind of confused by the looks that they got against the Ravens, and he said they needed to do a better job adjusting. But yeah, good coaching staff there. Anyway, Ronnie Stanley's out for the season. Left tackle Andrew Thomas for the Giants. He is on IR.
Starting point is 00:07:59 It's not a small deal. Their best offensive lineman, and he's out at least three weeks. Kadarius Toney out this week. As of now, he will not a small deal. They're best offensive linemen, and he's out at least three weeks. Kadarius Toney out this week. As of now, he will not go on IR. Tennessee cornerback Caleb Farley out for the season, rookie. But he was playing a big role. Hey, back to Toney.
Starting point is 00:08:18 Hopefully it's just the one game that he misses because they've got the Chiefs and the Raiders in the next two weeks, and I would imagine he would have some really good numbers in those matchups. Yeah, Heath. Giants-Chiefs. I believe that's a Monday night game. They put that game on Monday night?
Starting point is 00:08:35 Isn't that awful? Really exciting. Well, they had to put the Giants. The Giants seem like more of a Thursday night team. Yeah. Well, they do get to play once a year. Just put them at Sunday at 1 o'clock. Yeah, that of a Thursday night team. Yeah. Well, they do get to play once a year. Just put them at Sunday at 1 o'clock. Yeah, that's a Monday nighter.
Starting point is 00:08:49 Giants and Kansas City. I think everybody gets one night game though, right? No, everybody gets one Thursday game. Everybody gets a Thursday night. You're not guaranteed a Monday night or a Sunday night. No, I just thought you got a night game, period. Yeah, Thursday night. Everyone gets a Sunday night. No, I just thought you got a night game, period. Yeah, Thursday night. Everyone gets a Thursday night.
Starting point is 00:09:08 David Gettleman needs to go night-night if you catch my drift. Yeah, well, I hope you mean... Career-wise. Career-wise. Yeah, okay. Chicago pass rusher Robert Quinn is on the reserve COVID list as they get ready for Tampa Bay this weekend. And A.J. Brown said he will never eat fast food again.
Starting point is 00:09:26 He got food poisoning from Chipotle. Oh, sure. Mention the restaurant. Very good. That'll help us in the future. Is Chipotle fast food? I don't think so. I think you've got to have a drive-through if you're going to call yourself fast food.
Starting point is 00:09:40 And I should probably give up fast food, too. But then again, I'll just park where I go in, and then it's not fast food and i should probably give up fast food too i once got our coin and then it's not fast food anymore i once got food poisoning from fast food and i vowed never to have it again and it didn't it did not last long so you'll be back on it aj brown meanwhile julio jones is day to day and ty hilton is day to day let's talk about some second-half breakouts, guys. So, Heath, you tweeted, who is this year's David Montgomery? That was, of course, a reference to you saying loudly
Starting point is 00:10:14 and frequently last year, buy low on David Montgomery. Don't forget, also buy low on Jonathan Taylor last year. And those two guys were top five running backs down the stretch. Cam Akers? We said it about cam acres. We sure did. Yeah,
Starting point is 00:10:27 no, I've just wanted this segment to be all about Heath. Cause those were the two guys that he kept coming back to. So thanks Adam. Appreciate it. You got it. Enjoying this segment. So kick it off.
Starting point is 00:10:37 Pressure's on now. Well, first off, I think it legitimately might just be David Montgomery again, because when you look at their schedule, the schedule makers did it again. They finish Lions, Cardinals, who are one of the worst run defenses in the NFL.
Starting point is 00:10:53 Then they play the Packers. Then Vikings, Seahawks, Giants. David Montgomery might be a top 10 running back in the second half of the season again and might be a good guy to acquire if you're above 500 right now. But I've got a list. Do we want to go through the whole list now?
Starting point is 00:11:11 Yeah, sure. Whatever you want. I think the Eagles is a pretty good answer, and that starts this week because of their schedule for the next three weeks. But then also in the fantasy playoffs, I believe they go football team, Giants football team, which is pretty good for the passing game. So I think Jalen Hurts, Miles Sanders, Devontae Smith, Dallas Goddard could all four be second half breakouts. Hurts has kind of
Starting point is 00:11:38 already done it, so he's probably a bad example. I mean, dear eagles. Dear goodness here. It's not even you go to week 12. Giants, Jets, bye.agles, dear goodness here. I, it's not even, you go to week 12 giants jets by Washington giants, Washington. Wow. Right. The world part is the buy. Yeah. The buys in week 14, which is weird, but, but, and, uh, and offensive
Starting point is 00:11:57 coordinator Shane Steichen said yesterday that they, he basically admitted they've got to get miles Sanders going. So he's a terrific by-low running back. All right, well, let's stay there because I think you can make so many great cases for Miles Sanders. Schedule, he's been good, he is good. Everyone in Philadelphia. Offensive line getting healthy with Lane Johnson coming back.
Starting point is 00:12:16 Still no Brandon Brooks. But everyone in Philadelphia seems to know how good he is. But can we really trust the Eagles to do right by Miles Sanders? Because I really think you could argue they have not done that at any point in his career other than when Jordan Howard got hurt as a rookie. Everybody's new. We can't hold the mistakes of Doug Peterson against this coaching staff. No, I understand that, but this coaching staff hasn't done it yet,
Starting point is 00:12:45 except maybe week one. I don't know. But maybe we just all think Miles Sanders is better than he actually is, and the people that really know don't have... There's a reason, maybe, that he hasn't been given the work
Starting point is 00:12:58 that everyone in the world seems to think he should get. So how much do you trust it with Miles Sanders? Because I just... I don't know. I have trouble trusting the Eagles to do it. Well, I think that's really important. Like if we're doing our job and giving you people to actually break it out in the second half, there should be a great deal of question around whether that's going to actually happen. If everybody thinks they're
Starting point is 00:13:24 going to break out in the second half, it's not very useful for us to tell us, tell you that because nobody's going to let you buy them. Sure. Sure. But, but my question is how much faith do you have in, in the Eagles to give him that role?
Starting point is 00:13:38 That's going to lead to the breakout. I would say some, because while they're talking it up and they're saying, first of all, they, they need, they have to realize that they need to run the football. Like they've barely done it as it is.
Starting point is 00:13:55 So I don't know if you want to add the physicality element to pro football, which I don't know, it's kind of an important thing. You run the football, you put them in that position and you take pressure off of your quarterback who's become, you know, not as good of a passer as he was earlier in the year. So try and bring balance back to that offense. And I think that Sanders can, I think they'll give him the chance to do it. His playing time has been up already the last two weeks. Kenneth Gainwell has become an afterthought, and I don't think that's necessarily going to change. So it's all about more opportunities for Sanders, and I think there's
Starting point is 00:14:31 a chance that he could get it, and the schedule is really good. Okay. Yeah, no, it's great. And there's some serious extenuating circumstances to his usage so far this season. I don't think you can just look at it and say they haven't trusted Miles Sanders. They won week one. He got 15 carries and 19 touches.
Starting point is 00:14:49 They won in week five. He had 11 carries and 16 touches. They got the doors blown off by the Cowboys and Chiefs. Those were the two games where he really didn't touch the ball. Last week, they played Tampa Bay. He still had nine carries. So I think that it's a little overblown how much they haven't trusted him so far. And maybe the most important thing Dave said, there's been a real shift the last couple of weeks towards Miles Sanders playing and away from Kenneth Gainwell playing. They're going to have better
Starting point is 00:15:21 game scripts moving forward. We've talked about the schedule. Giants, Washington, Jets for like six games in a row. Those should be games where Miles Sanders is getting 15-plus touches. Man, look at the schedule. If the Eagles aren't careful, they might not have one of those three top 10 picks. Okay? Because they've got some wonderful games. I think they're going to be 500 or better, yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:41 Oh, no. You mean by the end of the year or rest of starting? Yeah. No. They're 2-4 right now. They suck, yeah. Oh, no. You mean by the end of the year? Yeah. Or rest of starting... No. They're 2-4 right now. They suck, though. They play five games straight against the Giants, Washington football team, and the Jets. That's 3-2.
Starting point is 00:15:56 That's 4-1. That's 3... They're not... Look, as an Eagles fan, I just don't really... No, our last thing here, they got 10 games left in the fantasy season, not including week 18, and eight of their 10 opponents are 22nd or worse currently
Starting point is 00:16:10 against running backs. Okay, Heath, continue on your list. Yeah, so that took care of about half the list. Tua Tagovailoa. Oh. Yes, just threw for 300 yards against Jacksonville, has a pretty favorable schedule
Starting point is 00:16:26 himself in the second half and they have absolutely no run game i don't fully expect him to ever have davante parker will fuller jaylen waddle and mike gosicki all healthy at the same time that seems like too much to ask with the health history of those guys but i do think there's a possibility he'll have a long stretch with three of those guys healthy. And against this schedule with no run game, throwing the ball 35 plus times a game, I think Tua might be a borderline top 12 quarterback
Starting point is 00:16:54 rest of season. All right, let's see. He is 50% rostered and people might think of him just as well. Yeah, it's going to have trouble starting him in week eight at Buffalo, but he's a start this week against Atlanta. They give up the fourth most points and then just a couple others real quick oh go ahead i didn't figure you wanted to spend too much time on two because like his hope is that he'd be a low-end number one quarterback um the rookie running back i would say it about is not giovante williams it's
Starting point is 00:17:18 michael carter because i think he's already got a better chance at winning that job he's clearly better than the other guys in the backfield. And I think there's a chance that offense will be more improved. AJ Brown and Cole come out with my last two. Oh, I hate Michael Carter's schedule coming out of the buy. But you know what? It doesn't,
Starting point is 00:17:38 you know, let's not think too short term here. There are a lot of weeks left. There are 10 weeks left until your fantasy season's over. If you don't play in week 18. But Patriots, Bengals, Colts, and Bills. Then it gets so much easier. Dolphins, Texans, Eagles. He's a
Starting point is 00:17:53 true second half breakout. There you go. There you go. Dave, you are up. As opposed to all the fake second half breakouts that we've given you. I want a second Tua. I think that if you're a manager that likes to carry two quarterbacks, neither of them being must-start guys,
Starting point is 00:18:14 yeah, Tua should be one of those quarterbacks that you carry, and you can get him off the waiver wire right now. Okay, that's it. Well, that's what I was going to add there. No, but do you have any second half breakouts that you'd like to talk about? Oh, okay. All right, then we'll just go to the listeners. And I think everyone on this show, everyone at CBS is required to fill out a form saying that they believe in Keenan Allen and don't freak out about Keenan Allen.
Starting point is 00:18:40 So we like Keenan Allen as a second half breakout. I'm optimistic for Terry McLaurin. First of all, we all think he's really good. If you look at his game log so far, he has had four games with 10 or fewer PPR fantasy points. So he's had two huge games and four kind of duds, especially for a player like Terry McLaurin. But I don't see why Taylor Heineke would keep the job when Ryan Fitzpatrick is healthy.
Starting point is 00:19:00 I feel like that opportunity was lost. So I'm hoping for, uh, I'm hoping for Heineke or for Fitzpatrick to unleash the beast in Terry McLaurin and his schedule gets better than what it was. So he's had some tough matchups in the first half last week was disappointing, but, um, maybe he was hurt.
Starting point is 00:19:17 We don't know. So it's too obvious to say that guys like Jerry, Judy and Michael Thomas are second half breakouts. No, we have to talk about Thomas for sure. We're going to talk. You know what? I have a new segment addressing both of those players
Starting point is 00:19:29 in a little bit. Okay, good. I did go a lot more high end than Heath there, but those are more buy lows than breakouts. Okay, Mendel. I asked the people on Twitter, who are your second half breakouts? Mendel said Mike Gasicki.
Starting point is 00:19:43 And the MO on Gasicki, guys, is when people have been hurt, he's been great. When people have been healthy, he hasn't been. But I think Tua fits him really well. So do you think Gasicki is a second-half breakout or at least continues his current breakout right now? I can't imagine that he's not, given just how tight ends are. Here's a guy that's going to get good target volume theoretically from week to week.
Starting point is 00:20:07 And just go back to what he said about there being no run game. And we talked about Philly's run game and, oh, here's how they can fix it. They can put miles Sanders in and, and the coaches have talked about it. Miami. I don't know if they've got a fix. It's not as easy as saying, well, give miles Gaskin the ball. They tried to do that at the beginning of their game against Jacksonville and he stunk or give Savan Ahmed the ball.
Starting point is 00:20:29 Well, they've, they've done that before and he's been okay. I don't know if they really believe in Ahmed being a true feature back. And we don't want to see Malcolm Brown as their feature back. So this is a team that might have a hard time running the football. They'll put the ball in the air. A tight end is a great alternative when you need to get, you know, those third and five conversions or those first and 10, you want to get six, seven yards off the first play.
Starting point is 00:20:52 Gasicki can be that guy. I was especially encouraged by how he was used last week compared to how he was used in week one with Tua when he had zero catches. So I love that call. The problem is that a lot of people have Gesicki already, and they're probably in a position where they can't trade him unless they're improving at tight end. Yeah, I mean, I think the problem is that it's second-half breakouts
Starting point is 00:21:16 and not first-half breakouts. Right, he's already broken out. Well, no, he has not already broken out. I mean, he's not having that great of a year. I do not anticipate him having a better year than he has had. He has three of his last four games, he's scored at least
Starting point is 00:21:31 16 PPR fantasy points. Yeah, he's not... If that's not a breakout, I don't know what it is. Well, he's the number eight tight end in fantasy right now. So, yes, based on the last four games, that's a breakout. But week one, he had zero catches. And, you know, you could just argue that he's taken advantage of Will Fuller's absence and Devontae Parker's absence recently.
Starting point is 00:21:52 I think that's the point, right? So it's like, can he keep this up as a top eight tight end in the second half as a true difference maker at the position? Because he's getting six targets every game or more. You know, catches are good. Gives you a nice little floor in PPR. i yeah i think he can definitely keep up the top eight and the what he's done on average over the first six weeks of the season if you want to count week one on average yeah but he's not yeah uh yeah 11.7 i got in in decimal. Okay, next up, Miles Sanders.
Starting point is 00:22:26 All right, we already talked about that. How about from Sunset on Mars, Trey Lance and Brandon Ayuk, second half breakouts. Listen, points for following the spirit of the rule and extra points for degrees of difficulty.
Starting point is 00:22:49 These are, I don't see it, but that's kind of the point, right? Yeah. So it's fine if we disagree. It's hard for me to imagine both of those happening because I don't think Trey Lance
Starting point is 00:23:01 is a very good passer yet. Right. How many more weeks it'll have for is it one two one more i think i think for sure one more and then after that there might be another one we just don't know well when i wouldn't mind having iuk on the bench this week just to see yes what happens coming out of the bye in San Francisco. I'm more likely to see a second-half breakout. I could see a Brandon Iyuk second-half breakout. I could see a Trey Lance second-half breakout.
Starting point is 00:23:33 I just don't think they work together. I'm sorry. So Kittle has to miss at least two more games. He could come back in Week 9. Terrific. So they play the Colts and then the Bears. Garoppolo figures to be under center for both games. I think Iuke is worth considering for the bench.
Starting point is 00:23:51 Okay, next up, breakout from Dan. Alex Collins. Carson could be out a while. Collins has looked good. Alex Collins, second half breakout. I don't know if we love that one yeah no it seems when when they're all healthy in Seattle are we getting a true workhorse at all from Chris Carson or the Seahawks gonna say all right we're gonna mix and match and use a bunch of guys and make everybody in fantasy really ticked off. I'm kind of scared that's what's going to happen.
Starting point is 00:24:28 So I say no to Alex Collins. Okay. King Hassan says, literally every rookie except for Trey Sermon. Let's do this. Who are the rookie wide receivers that you really wouldn't expect a breakout from,
Starting point is 00:24:49 you know? So, so how about Elijah Moore, Rondale Moore, Terrace Marshall? Do we think that's just not going to happen? Most likely not on a consistent basis with any of them.
Starting point is 00:25:01 I, the path for Rondale Moore is one injury to any of the three guys ahead of him, I think. And so, but I think he needs that, especially whether it's being signed, um,
Starting point is 00:25:15 or maybe an injury to chase Edmonds and he might just take over more of that role, which he'd probably be really good at. I don't see it with Elijah Moore. Um, Terrace Marshall, if Robbie Anderson has another bad week
Starting point is 00:25:29 and then Marshall can get fully healthy, I could see a situation where all of a sudden it's DJ Moore getting 25% and Terrace Marshall getting 20% because they're just tired of Robbie Anderson dropping passes. What about, Dave, Amonra St. Brown or Rashad Bateman?
Starting point is 00:25:46 Do you think it's possible that they could break in? For sure with Bateman. We know what he is. He's a good outside receiver. He's a good route runner. Lamar, as we've discussed now for a couple of weeks, he's been outstanding throwing the football this year. So there's absolutely a case to be made for Bateman
Starting point is 00:26:04 to be a second half stud. St. Brown's going to be more of a volume dependent type of receiver. He, he, he fits in well when Jared Goff is getting rid of the ball quickly. Last week, Goff was holding onto the ball a little bit longer. That led to some bad things happening for Detroit. I don't see St. Bra St. Bra. St. Brown is someone who's going to be your bra in fantasy. So when he's good, he's a Monroe St.
Starting point is 00:26:31 Bra, but when he's bad, he's a Monroe St. Bra. I could see him having a Jarvis Landry type breakout. Okay, he catches like let's say, seven passes a game for 60 yards. I got it.
Starting point is 00:26:51 All right, okay. I have a harder time seeing it with Bateman because I just don't know whose expense it would come at. If he's good, he's a Monroe St. bro. If he's bad, he's a Monroe St. boo. There you go. And you get a little Halloween theme in there too. Alright, and then for the quarterbacks, do you think Trevor Lawrence,
Starting point is 00:27:10 Wilson, Lance, Fields, Mac Jones, do you think any of them, Davis Mills, become fantasy starters? Like better than Tua? I'm scared to say it with Lawrence. I kind of feel it with Trevor. Trevor Lawrence is starting to play better.
Starting point is 00:27:26 Yeah. And he's running. I don't think... I mean, obviously, everybody's so set at quarterbacks. Most players are so set at quarterback, most fantasy players, that I don't know that they're going to have a huge impact here. Sure.
Starting point is 00:27:37 So is there a rookie quarterback that we can look at and say the same thing about, as we said with Tua, which is he deserves a roster spot, he's an awesome streaming quarterback. Maybe a guy you pair with another quarterback. Not yet. I don't know. I don't know if I'm ready to say that with any of them. Okay, then let's have a conversation about Javante Williams here. Let's do it. This might have been the answer I got the most for second half breakout. People still believe in it. Dave, you had him as a buy low
Starting point is 00:28:04 last week, and there's just no separation. And the other thing that I'll point out is that the first three games of the year, they ran the ball a lot more because they played the Jets, the Giants, and the Jaguars, and they steamrolled them. They've lost their last three games, and these guys, Gordon and Williams,
Starting point is 00:28:21 are getting nine, 10 carries, something like that. So it's not as valuable, you know, when they're just, when they're not beating the three worst teams in football, basically, or three of the worst. So yeah. Do you still believe in, in Javante Williams as a bylaw? Yes, he's you're right about how he's been splitting and it's been uncanny how close to 50, 50 they've been in almost any area. Overall snaps, third down snaps, red zone snaps. They've been, like last week, for example, Melvin played eight snaps on third or fourth down. Javante played nine. Last week, Melvin played 40 snaps. Overall,
Starting point is 00:28:57 Javante had 37. They're really, really close. Javante's been more explosive and he's done better breaking tackles. So I would imagine when it comes to efficiency metrics, you would see Williams as the much better running back compared to Melvin Gordon, but Melvin's been steady. He can get them anywhere. Yeah. Like five yard carries eight yard carries do it consistently, not turn the ball over. He's staying healthy. He's not bad in the past game.
Starting point is 00:29:26 He's not used as much in the past game as Williams, but he's not bad in it. And so the Broncos don't really have a reason to, to move away from Melvin Gordon or to change this split, which means they're basically in the same boat every week in terms of whether or not you start or sit them this week. I think they're okay but i think in time gordon could struggle because if if all if he's not getting explosive plays now can we count on to eventually get them i'm going to say no so the only way he could go from here is down on top of the fact that he's older on top of the fact that he could have an injury i mean
Starting point is 00:30:03 they could both get hurt obviously but Melvin could be more susceptible to it just because he's an older running back. So those little, those little things on top of the fact that if Denver season gets away from them, eventually they'll say, all right, let's turn the page and let's see what this kid can do. And they'll just let them go. And I could see him playing a role similar to what we saw from camp makers last year, where we get to at the latest mid November and he's taking off and he's,
Starting point is 00:30:30 he's a running back in Denver. Who's dominating all the carries that we want. I, I really, at this point, just have to believe it, it requires an injury. Or,
Starting point is 00:30:40 I mean, Melvin Gordon could just age could affect him finally, but I can't find anything that suggests that, like Dave said, what's the thing that would make the Broncos want to not play Melvin Gordon anymore? Their record, I suppose. He would have to regress. Or they could just be awful. And I don't know why he would be more.
Starting point is 00:31:02 What's that? I don't think they'll be awful. I don't think they're going to get to a point where they're just playing for the future and they're well out of playoff game. They're probably going to hover around 500. If they were, there'd be no motivation to give 20 touches to the guy
Starting point is 00:31:14 they want to be their running back next year. Oh, I don't know, because I think that you have to see what you have in him. So I think they could go youth movement. They're seeing a guy who breaks a big run almost every game. So I think that he's... I'd like to know if he can handle the every down work. youth movement. They're seeing a guy who breaks a big run almost every game. I think that he's... I'd like to know if he can handle the every down work.
Starting point is 00:31:29 I'd like to know... I could see both sides of the coin. Maybe it is an injury. That's the other thing. If they were a team or a coaching staff, and they may not even have the same coaching staff next year, but if they were a team or a coaching staff who
Starting point is 00:31:44 had indicated they wanted to have a bell cow back, then I think seeing if he could handle that role would be very important. They have told us repeatedly that they would like a two back system. And so I don't know that there's much motivation to give him 20 touches a game. If that's not the plan in the future. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:02 Okay. Well, that is your Devante. You have a great schedule after the buy. They have a buy in week 11. Yeah. Okay. Well, that is your Devante Williams discussion. They do have a great schedule after the bye. They have a bye in week 11 after that. They've got the Chargers twice
Starting point is 00:32:08 at Kansas City, Detroit, Cincy, at Vegas. It's pretty good. It is. The Chargers are pretty injured. I was reading about them last night.
Starting point is 00:32:19 They could have a much better run defense. They're going to get it. I think after the bye, they're going to get one of their top defensive tackles back. It'll beat up at linebacker as well. So it looks like an amazing matchup. Maybe it will still be, but maybe it won't be quite as good.
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Starting point is 00:33:03 Visit OntarioOneCall.ca. It's free. It's easy. It's the law. Data sourced from the ORCGA 2023 Dirt Report. I've got some quick questions for you here, and then we'll break down the game, the Thursday night game. Let's go quickly on these here. What is Christian McCaffrey's value, Dave? We don't know if he's for sure coming back in three weeks, do we? No. No one said anything. Matt Rule hasn't said anything. Christian McC know? No one said anything. Matt rule. Hasn't said anything.
Starting point is 00:33:26 Christian McCaffrey hasn't said anything. Pretty sure he didn't rule him out. I'm hopeful that he will be just as good as he was. And just as used as he was when he does come back, um, after this IR stint, but man, there's,
Starting point is 00:33:43 there's a chance that the Panthers could really move back on how much work they give him. That'll also depend on their record and where they're at in the NFC. Where is he on the trade chart, though? To answer the question, a low-end number one running back. Where is he on the trade chart?
Starting point is 00:33:59 He's a low-end number one running back in trade, but he's nowhere near the top. Right, so is he Jonathan Taylor or McCaffrey? Taylor. Taylor. Barkley or McCaffrey? McCaffrey. Okay.
Starting point is 00:34:14 What about Michael Thomas? What is Michael Thomas' value? He's got a chance to end up as a top 15 receiver rest of season. I don't think you have to give up that type of value to get him. Low-end number two wide receiver. That's his value right now. as a top 15 receiver rest of season, I don't think you have to give up that type of value to get him low end. Number two, wide receiver. That's his value right now.
Starting point is 00:34:31 Right. When, when he comes back, then follow up, when he comes back, you expect Michael Thomas to be what high end number two receiver. Okay. Would you rather have when he's back? Do you think you'd rather have cd lamb or michael thomas
Starting point is 00:34:49 lamb thomas would you rather have the daryl henderson or michael thomas henderson okay it's the most injury prone running back in the world, but okay. Is now the time to trade, and Michael Thomas never gets hurt, by the way. Yep. Never. Is now the time to trade Cortland Sutton and Noah Fant as Jerry Judy could be back tomorrow, probably not. So let's say next week. Is now the time to trade Sutton than Fant. But I'm not convinced of the argument on either. As I said last night on our Waver Wire YouTube stream, Cortland Sutton so far, when we've seen him play and Jerry Judy play, has been better than Jerry Judy. We had a projection coming into this year
Starting point is 00:35:42 that Judy would take a step forward and Sutton might not be the same guy, and so Judy would be better than Sutton. Now we've got Judy coming back midseason when Sutton's in midseason form, and I think the expectation should be that Cortland Sutton's going to be better than Jerry Judy rest of season. Okay, why don't you see the argument for Noah Fant, who's actually coming off his best game of the year and the yards have been so inconsistent and mostly low um yeah i feel like fans a better case i don't think no offense and targets are going to be impacted by jerry judy
Starting point is 00:36:19 because i think they have uh a pile of wide receiver targets and a pile of running back targets and a pile of tight end targets. And Jerry Judy's targets will come from the wide receiver pile. Yeah, okay. I get that, but it's just like, how could he, what about the red zone targets? Maybe those start going to Jerry Judy,
Starting point is 00:36:41 you know, and not to Noah Fant. If Judy's making big plays on the field i think that probably hurts noah fant you know what i mean i mean if you're sitting there you're teddy bridgewater and you just added your best wide receiver back and he might be i don't know how that doesn't hurt noah fant you know what i mean if fan is he's playing so well right now though is he though he did last week but is he it hasn't necessarily been on a week-to-week basis but what he scored in two of his last three and three or four games so far this season do you know what he was on pace for before week six before week six he was on pace
Starting point is 00:37:16 for 563 yards that was a 16 game pace 563 yards now it's uh 728 yards per 16 games, which is still crap. What are you going to do after you trade Noah Fant? Now, if you've got Fant and Knox, Fant and Schultz, Fant and Gronk, I get it. You can move on from Fant. Someone will give you something for him. But if Fant is your only tight end,
Starting point is 00:37:40 then you're going to go back to streaming after you trade him? No. You better get something good for him if you're going to do that. He's a tight end who's got a chance to score and get you good yardage from game to game. Are DeAndre Hopkins and CeeDee Lamb sell highs? Yes.
Starting point is 00:37:57 Yes, but I would wait one more week on Hopkins to really sell high. And who do you like better rest of season, Lamb or Hopkins? Probably still Hopkins. Probably still Hopkins, but it's really close.
Starting point is 00:38:14 You know, for Lamb, when they've had games that they haven't just blown out the other opponent, he's gotten nine or more targets in all three of those games. They beat Philadelphia and the Giants by 20 plus points.
Starting point is 00:38:30 They beat Carolina by 10. And Lamb had three to six targets in those games. But if they're playing more even games, I guess you could say Gallup's coming back. God damn, he's so good though. Sorry for the profanity there. I don't want to trade CeeDee Lamb. I think he's so good though. Sorry for the profanity there. I just don't want to trade CeeDee Lamb. I think he's
Starting point is 00:38:47 one of the best receivers in football. I agree. And he's on such a great offense. He was the number one receiver last Sunday. What would you be looking to get for Lamb if you were going to sell him? If I was going to sell CeeDee Lamb, I would
Starting point is 00:39:03 try and turn him into this sounds weird, but in non-PPR, Leonard Fournette. Just to get a running back that I don't have to make a lineup decision on moving forward. Even in non-PR, DeAndre Swift. Obviously in PPR, same thing with both guys. Mixon, if you have to throw in a little something that would be great i think a trade for mark andrews straight up isn't out of the question in non-ppr or full ppr maybe closer to non than full but i think lamb if you want to sell high this is where you should look is something like that all right he sounds like he's an elite player close to it you know so at least in dave's
Starting point is 00:39:43 mind those guys are pretty damn good that you were mentioning. Okay, a couple more questions here, or three more. We can do this one really quickly. Is Kadarius Tony going to be this year's Justin Jefferson? Hmm. No. I think Jamar Chase is this year's
Starting point is 00:40:01 Justin Jefferson. Sure. Alright. I think he could still be pretty darn good, though. You know, Jamar Chase is this year's Justin Jefferson. Sure. All right. I think he could still be pretty darn good, though. You know, Jamar Chase is the second wide receiver ever with 500 receiving yards and five touchdowns in his first six games. Wow. It's pretty good. That is excellent.
Starting point is 00:40:17 Do you know who the first was? CeeDee Lamb? No. Who? Justin Jefferson. Randy Moss. Oh, Randy Moss. Well, okay.
Starting point is 00:40:24 That makes sense. Katerius Toney is only 67% rostered, so we may not think of him as a stash, but stash him. Will anyone emerge in the 49ers backfield? Not for more than a couple of weeks at a time. Probably not. Are we taking Katerius Toney over
Starting point is 00:40:44 like Jalen Wadddle and Devontae Smith now? It's not that way on the trade chart, but obviously not after what Waddle did last week and not what we think that Devontae Smith can still do. Remember that great schedule that we talked about
Starting point is 00:40:59 for Philadelphia? It's going to help Smith. He's the fourth rookie wide receiver right now. To me, he'd be third. Who are you taking out, Smith? Waddle. Waddle's averaging, I don't even know, seven, eight yards per catch. He's doing nothing with it.
Starting point is 00:41:13 I like that he's got three touchdowns in three games with Tua Tunga-Vailoa. The target volume last week was outstanding. This is another player whose role could develop as the season goes on. I hope so. Tony's just kind of blowing my mind he is incredible but he's hurt so i i can understand you i don't really like to trade for hurt players or anything like that so i can understand taking it behind waddle but i think when he's on the field uh i'm i just holy
Starting point is 00:41:42 cow he's beckham okay well wow i'm sorry to say it, but he's... We've got to mark all of these tapes. Look, I'm going to be right about this, so you can mark it. The guy's a star. What he is doing is incredible. I mean, he has made more flash plays in three games, and one of those games was one drive
Starting point is 00:42:01 than most wide receivers make in half a year. It's amazing what he's, he's just special. Where would Kadir Yashoni be in your dynasty wide receiver rankings right now? Second round pick. In a startup dynasty league. Am I right? He's probably top 12. I really, truly believe in him.
Starting point is 00:42:18 No, I do. I believe in him. I really do. That's fine. I, you, that's fine. I accept it. I understand. I really do. That's fine. I accept it. I understand. I am Gaga, but I tried to tell everybody going into the Dallas
Starting point is 00:42:29 game. I tried to tell everybody. He had 189 yards, and it wasn't just like, oh, he got wide open. He was juking people. He was making everyone... He's amazing. He's special. I'm telling you. All right. Last question. It's gone on way too long.
Starting point is 00:42:45 Will Marquise Brown... Give me 30 seconds. Will Marquise Brown, give me 30 seconds, will Marquise Brown slump when both Sammy Watkins and Rashad Bateman are healthy? There's a chance he's more big play slash red zone dependent. Won't be as good as we're doing. I am just going to expect that as they have throughout their time together in Baltimore, Marquise Brown and Mark Andrews will be around 23 to 25% of the target share and everybody else will have to figure it out.
Starting point is 00:43:13 Okay. I hope that's the case. They are the only Baltimore players with more than one green zone target, more than I think three red zone targets. So that's still, and they have the same amount Brown and Andrews. So they're still getting all those targets. And Brown has already dropped four touchdowns this year. Two of them came on the same drive. So he could realistically have three more touchdowns, which would help Lamar Jackson's overall numbers. Okay. By the way, Heath, you have your updated dynasty wide receiver rankings? Yeah, I was just going to go down the list and you tell me which guy you would take, where to stop for Kadarius.
Starting point is 00:43:49 Yeah, when you're not looking at the list, it's hard. It's easy to be like, oh, yeah, he's top 12. This, I'm sure, is going to humble me a little bit, but go ahead. Justin Jefferson? No, keep going. Devontae Adams? No, keep going. Jamar Chase?
Starting point is 00:44:03 No. Tyreek Hill? No. CeeDee Lamb? No. DK Metcalf? No. Keep going. Jamar Chase? No. Tyreek Hill? No. CeeDee Lamb? No. DK Metcalf? No. Calvin Ridley?
Starting point is 00:44:11 No. Stefan Diggs? No. AJ Brown? No. DJ Moore? I guess no. Terry McLaurin?
Starting point is 00:44:23 No. Chris Godwin? No. Chris Godwin. Ooh. Who's next? It's a group. Deontay Johnson. Yes, Tony, over Deontay Johnson. Okay, so you've got him around wide receiver 12.
Starting point is 00:44:42 All right. And that's not, I'm not sure that's a second round pick, but I think I have him at wide receiver 30. So could you go maybe five more names, Heath, please? Well, let's just, I can pick out some names. Devontae Smith. I think I'd still rather have Smith. I'd rather have Smith.
Starting point is 00:45:04 Okay. Yeah, Jerry Judy. You know where I'm going to come out on that, Judy. Devontae Smith. I think I'd still rather have Smith. I'd rather have Smith. Okay. Yeah. Jerry Judy. You know where I'm going to come out on that, Judy. I think it's fine. Marquise Brown. Oh, Tony.
Starting point is 00:45:18 Maybe there. I've got to pick the younger guys because,, yeah. Um, Jalen Waddle. Tony, maybe Tony. I'm sorry. All right. Let's go to Denver and Cleveland. You've seen it from him in two games and four plays. Yep.
Starting point is 00:45:40 I am a believer. Total believer. All right, Dave. Uh, it's Thursday night football time. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. Denver at Cleveland. Let's go right to the fun stuff, the running backs. Dearness Johnson is, let's see, let me just get the updated rankings here.
Starting point is 00:45:58 He is 18th for Jamie, 23rd for Dave, 13th for Heath and Non. And in full PPR, 20th for Jamie, 24th for Dave, 13th for Heath and non and in full PPR 20th for Jamie, 24th for Dave and 16th for Heath. Heath, you're going to have a tough time getting Dearness Johnson out of your lineup. Yeah, I don't think I was able to acquire him on the waiver wire in any leagues last night. So I don't believe that's going to be an issue for me. Um, I, I just think that the Browns are probably going to run it 25 times and at least 15 of those are going to D Ernest Johnson. And I don't think this offensive line is going to be quite as bad as it was last week.
Starting point is 00:46:34 And so if you tell me a guy's got 15 plus carries and probably two or three targets, he's going to be, especially this week, he's going to be a top 15-ish running back. He's an average talent in a very good situation. But that's the thing. Is he in such a good situation?
Starting point is 00:46:53 Because the tackles, both their tackles might miss the game. And Baker's so banged up. So, you know, how much... And the Broncos have had... They've got some injuries at linebacker. I talked about that yesterday. But the Broncos have had a very good run defense. There has not been a carry longer than 20 yards by a running back against the Broncos this year. So they're not giving up big plays.
Starting point is 00:47:14 That's OK. I don't think Johnson has a carry longer than 20. Maybe he has one or two carries longer than 20 yards in his career. So he's going to need volume. Probably. He could always break one. You could always score two touchdowns at the goal line or something, but you think he probably needs volume here. Does he have that good of a situation?
Starting point is 00:47:32 I think it's a really good situation because not only is he taking on a Denver defense without both starting inside linebackers and at least one backup inside linebacker, plus a defensive line that's been good not great he's doing it at home on a short week so the broncos got done playing sunday late and now they've got to travel to cleveland johnson's got fresh legs barely played last week really hasn't played much at all this season i think it's it's just a good opportunity for him, but he gets what's blocked for him.
Starting point is 00:48:05 So if that offensive line and especially the interior guys are on their A game, he'll do fine. The other area where I think Johnson can be good is on little screen passes where the guards move out of the way. They throw a pass to the flat, and he's got blockers in front of him. Again, he's getting what's blocked in front of him. He doesn't have a lot of speed to his game. He's not very elusive, but he's got blockers in front of him. Again, he's getting what's blocked in front of him. He doesn't have a lot of speed to his game. He's not very elusive, but he's got this opportunity, and I think that's what Heath's counting on when he ranks him as high as he does.
Starting point is 00:48:33 I've seen enough average running backs in good opportunities before, including Devontae Booker last week, kind of leave us high and dry. If you're okay with what Devontae Booker gave you last week, then you should be thrilled with Dearness Johnson. And honestly, I think he can be a little bit better than what Devontae Booker gave you last week. So he's a number two running back for me, but toward the bottom of the list.
Starting point is 00:48:57 I would like to know some of the guys that Dave has ranked just ahead of Dearness Johnson, because I think everything that Dave said, I pretty much agree with. I don't necessarily, I just, I think I'm having a harder time finding running backs that I want to start over him. And the other thing is,
Starting point is 00:49:09 this is a reason why when you're using like full season statistics versus running backs versus what has happened lately, it can be really misleading. The Denver Broncos, the first three weeks of the season did not allow double digit fantasy points to any of the running backs they faced. Over the last two weeks, they've allowed a combined 60 fantasy points to Najee
Starting point is 00:49:32 Harris, Kenyon Drake, and Josh Jacobs. But it's not like those guys are running all over them, okay? And that's why I like per carry data, because they're scoring touchdowns, but they're not embarrassing the Denver Broncos. They're not running all over them, but they are scoring, but that's less reliable. You would say it too. The touchdowns are less reliable. So they still have had a good run defense for the season. They're giving up with 3.75 yards per carry to running backs. And like I said, nobody has a carry longer than 20 yards. And look, it's not like Josh Jacobs, 16 for 53. Latavius Murray, 18 for 59. Najee Harris was the only really good one, 23 for 122 yards.
Starting point is 00:50:12 He's the only running back that's— I was talking about the last two weeks, and Najee Harris, if we want to go yards per carry, that's fine. No, he was good. He's the only one who's been good. Kenyon Drake picked up 34 yards on four carries. He had a lot—OK, he had the long run, right? But Josh Jacobs said 16. Are you telling me they don't have a good run defense? They have not had a good run defense the past two weeks. I don't agree with
Starting point is 00:50:31 that, really. By yards per carry, they have not had a good defense. I don't know what measurement I would have to use to convince you. It's basically because Josh Jacobs had a low yards per carry. They have a good run defense. Why are you just looking at the last two weeks, though? You're the king of big sample sizes. Because they've had a low yards per carry, they have a good run defense. Why are you just looking at the last two weeks though? You're the king of big sample sizes.
Starting point is 00:50:48 Because they've had a bunch of injuries. They had one injury at linebacker last week. They had Josie Jewell out. I don't remember when he went out. Can I remind you guys of one thing? Who did the Broncos play in the first three weeks and maybe even stretched out to four weeks of the season?
Starting point is 00:51:04 They played Barkley, James Robinson the first two weeks. Hold on. They played Barkley when he was on a snap count. They played James Robinson when the Jaguars were not running the football. After that, they played the Jets. Enough said. This is going to go on too long, so let's just finish up here with Dearness Johnson. Dave, Heath wanted to know who you'd start over him. I would start both Broncos running backs ahead of him. I would start both Broncos running backs ahead of him.
Starting point is 00:51:26 I would start Devante Booker ahead of him. I really like Booker's matchup against Carolina. I currently have Damian Harris ranked ahead of him. That's someone that might change. I've got Damian Williams ranked ahead of him. We're assuming that he's going to play. If he doesn't play, then I'm probably not going to start him. I do have Khalil Herbert ahead of him,
Starting point is 00:51:44 but I just realized something something that we have a difference in who we're ranking in the Bears' backfield, so I need to fix that because I did not think we were ranking Damian Williams yet. All right, we'll talk about it after the show. But the two Broncos and the Devontae Booker range, that's the place where I really struggle because I think that the Broncos' running backs
Starting point is 00:52:04 might have a worse matchup than Dearness Johnson and they are not going to get what near as high of a percentage of the carries. I think they're better running backs than Dearness Johnson. So I agree with that. They might they might they might not see like Dearness Johnson. We're looking at 15 carries and three catches, right? Something like that, Keith? I would say, I think that the 15 carries part is closer to the floor than the ceiling,
Starting point is 00:52:34 but the three catches is probably closer to the ceiling than the floor. Okay. And then when it comes to Javante Williams, maybe it's 12 carries and three catches. He's been right around that. When it comes to Melvin Gordon, it's been 12 carries and three catches he's been right around that when it comes to melvin gordon it's been 12 or two catches so they're close i think the broncos running backs will be more efficient than johnson i another like i think it depends on what you think this game script is as well um yeah it could honestly be any of the possible game scripts that are out there because
Starting point is 00:53:04 if the browns are winning there. Cause if the, if the Browns are winning, which I, I mean, the Browns, aren't the only team that has bang up quarterback, Teddy Bridgewater could not hardly get to the podium because his first, his foot is so badly injured.
Starting point is 00:53:14 And you guys are ranking him 15th, by the way. So we got to move on to other players here. So, uh, I'm sure you're trying to sit Baker Mayfield, but you have Bridgewater 15th. So,
Starting point is 00:53:23 uh, would you start Bridgewater or Tannehill this week? Tannehill. Would you start Bridgewater or Tua? Tua. There's like six streamers ahead of him and he's 15th. Okay. Bridgewater or Sam Darnold?
Starting point is 00:53:38 Oh. If he's healthy and he practices today, I would say Bridgewater over Darnold. Okay. So the Denver running backs could be decent as number two options here. Would you start Khalil Herbert against the Bucs or you got to make the Thursday night decisions because you don't know about Damian Williams.
Starting point is 00:53:56 Khalil Herbert or Gordon or Javante? I think I'm going with the Broncos running backs over Herbert. I don't like, that's not a question we can answer on Wednesday morning. That's going to be a Thursday at 6 PM decision because hopefully by then we'll know whether Damian Williams has even one negative test yet. He gets that first negative test. Then you can start feeling a lot more comfortable about Williams playing.
Starting point is 00:54:22 And if Williams playing, then it's easily the Broncos running backs. Well, I'm almost certain we're going to have an update on Williams by the end of the day Wednesday. Would you start that be helpful? Would you start Damian William? Sorry, would you start a
Starting point is 00:54:34 Broncos running back or Tim Patrick? I think it's easy to start the running back in non PPR in full PPR. Just want to make sure I'm right on this. I would start Patrick. Yeah, I probably would too. Okay, would you start – well, okay, who's the second best? I'll tell you what, though.
Starting point is 00:54:58 It's harder to do that if it's Drew Locke under center. If it's Bridgewater, yes. If it's Drew Locke, I, if it's Bridgewater, yes. If it's Drew Locke, the rule generally is that Thursday night's the tiebreaker to take guys out of your lineup. And that's harder in week seven, because this is the worst week of fantasy football in my lifetime. But,
Starting point is 00:55:18 but I still think it should definitely be the tiebreaker. Like all these guys we're talking about, should we start them? I would rather not. All right. Who's the second best wide receiver in this game? Cortland Sutton's top 12 is a must start. Who's the second best wide receiver in this game?
Starting point is 00:55:35 Patrick. Yeah. Over Beckham. Yeah. So we're sitting Odell Beckham. Beckham is doing nothing wrong. He's had terrible drops on fourth down in the red zone back-to-back weeks. Has he?
Starting point is 00:55:52 Yes. How did I miss that? Well, even still, Baker's missed him on some big plays. That part's true also. Beckham should have had better numbers. Baker Mayfield screwed it up. But Beckham has had a couple of really bad drops too. I just have a ton of trouble trusting.
Starting point is 00:56:12 Well, you've got to have trouble trusting Mayfield here, which is part of it because he's so banged up. His tackles are banged up. He's facing a good defensive front. It's not inspiring to start Beckham. He's a number three receiver in the rankings this week. And you don't want to start Najoku. And Noah Fant is top eight. And I'm pretty sure that's it for this game.
Starting point is 00:56:30 Dave, sorry. There you go. Alright, Fantasy Cops. We got some good ones this week. This is from Reardon. Reardon asks, How does everyone feel about couples trading? My husband is 5-1 and he is the commissioner.
Starting point is 00:56:46 I am 3-3 with all of the injuries we decided to trade. He gave me Justin Fields, Joe Mixon, and Daryl Henderson. I gave him Baker Mayfield, Christian McCaffrey, and Antonio Brown. He wants a team at playoffs and I need to win to make I need to win a few to make it to the playoffs.
Starting point is 00:57:02 Our trade got vetoed. FML. What do you all think? We play in a league with a lot of friends and sore losers, I think. So that's a good trade. I mean, Fields, Mixon, and Henderson for Baker, Mayfield, McCaffrey, and Antonio Brown. It got vetoed. What's up with that? Pretty sure it's a lopsided trade in favor of the mcafree brown side
Starting point is 00:57:25 you're getting you're getting mixon and henderson right now those guys are good probably it's closer than it was when mcafree was healthy vetoable this is not vetoable this is you know how i feel and i think he feels the same way like vetoing trades shouldn't happen this is why no one should have the power to do this because they will abuse it. Fine. This is a fine trade. And no, yes.
Starting point is 00:57:51 It's not so egregious that it should be vetoedable. Exactly. Okay. From LJ from a California city with a huge sign in it. I think that's Modesto. Okay. I love that's Modesto. Okay. I love that Modesto sign.
Starting point is 00:58:10 A team verbally offered me A.J. Brown for Daryl and Emmanuel Sanders. I thought he was trading me A.J. Brown for Daryl Williams and Sanders, but he meant A.J. Brown for Daryl Henderson and Emmanuel Sanders.
Starting point is 00:58:24 No last names were discussed. So I sent the trade, his A.J. Brown, for my Daryl Williams and Emmanuel Sanders, and he accepted it without looking. Now the trade is getting vetoed for being unfair. He has Clyde Edwards-Ziller, so I think it's a fine trade. This guy thought he was trading A.J. Brown to get Daryl Henderson and Emmanuel Sanders. The other guy gave him Daryl Williams and Sanders. He accepted the trade
Starting point is 00:58:47 without looking. Now it's getting vetoed. What do you think? It shouldn't be vetoed, but if that's not the trade he meant to make, you shouldn't want him to make it. It should be reversed. Give him Daryl Henderson. At some point, the guy needs to make clear who he expects to get
Starting point is 00:59:09 in the trade doesn't say the last name when you're talking deal the deal is offered up through the website you get an email or a notification or something before you actually hit the accept button saying who you're getting in the trade if i'm the commissioner and i'm not unless i see like there's the commissioner won't have the information necessary to prove that he was looking for a different daryl i don't know if i overturn it i think i might have to let it stand now maybe you don't give him daryl henderson because maybe you don't want to make that trade but because you thought he was talking about williams but yeah i don't know i'maryl Henderson because maybe you don't want to make that trade because you thought he was talking about Williams.
Starting point is 00:59:46 But I don't know. I'm with Heath. I would reverse the trade because he didn't. All right, so it's 2-1. But interesting. Why would you call Daryl Henderson Daryl? Who would call him by his first name? Who's first name, Bob?
Starting point is 00:59:59 He's not. He's not first name basis. There are a few players, maybe you could say CD or something. There are a few players, maybe you could say CD, there are a few players who are on first name basis level in the NFL. Like Lamar. I know who you're talking about here.
Starting point is 01:00:13 Lamar Miller, right? Yeah, I'm not trading Lamar Miller. Andrew H. in Cincinnati says, hey there, Jimmy, Jimmy, James, and Arsenio. Late night hosts. Oh, late night hosts, yeah. Is Kadarius on a first name basis yet i mean with me he is but actually he's kt to me but the problem is if you call bony they'll think that you're talking
Starting point is 01:00:31 about somebody else yeah probably all right i'm the commissioner of a dynasty league a manager sent a trade through the platform where he sent hopkins and two future first round picks for jerry judy so he said hopkins and two future first for jerry jud Jerry Judy. So he said Hopkins and two future firsts for Jerry Judy. The Judy manager accepted it, and it was processed immediately. After seeing the trade confirmation, the original Hopkins manager said that he meant to add the picks to the Judy side and that the trade should be reversed. If he sent the trade through the platform and it was accepted,
Starting point is 01:01:02 should I, as the commissioner, reverse the trade? Sounds like something Adam Azer would definitely do. Yeah, that I would put the picks on the wrong side or I would reverse the trade? No, you would reverse this trade. I would reverse the trade a second. This is a more reversible trade than the last one that we discussed.
Starting point is 01:01:21 Yeah. This is also user error. Yeah. It does depend also. if this is a league amongst friends then absolutely reverse the trade and just make fun of this guy for the rest of his life if this is a league for money not amongst friends you think you screwed up yeah because you set you set a precedent where it's easy to back out, right? My leagues are amongst friends and coworkers, so I would back it out.
Starting point is 01:01:55 I would trust the person that he made a mistake, but you could just say, hey, man, you got to do a better job. All right, what do we say? So, yeah, it depends on the circumstances of the league. Yep. Great. That's your Fantasy Cops edition for week seven. We got your questions at Apple Podcasts and your emails.
Starting point is 01:02:13 This is from Apple Podcasts from Elsonian. I don't know. Elsonian? Hey, Jax, Clay, Juice, and Opie. Oh, yeah, Sons of Anarchy. That's a good one. Which two wide receivers should I roster rest of season in an eight-team
Starting point is 01:02:27 non-PPR league? Mike Williams, Michael Thomas, Cortland Sutton, Deontay Johnson. Pick two rest of season non-PPR. Mike Williams, Michael Thomas, Sutton, Deontay Johnson. If we're ignoring buys and IR spots, I would say Johnson and Williams.
Starting point is 01:02:46 Yep. From Brian. I'm 3-3, 10-team league. My running back is PPR. My running backs are Kareem Hunt and Daryl Williams right now. I have Devante Adams and Tyree Kill. Who should I trade for? Probably a running back.
Starting point is 01:03:04 Yeah. Yikes. I guess I would try to trade Devante Adams for Derrick Henry. Well, good luck with that because it's not going to happen. I would trade Tyreek Hill for Austin Eckler,
Starting point is 01:03:21 who's on a buy. I would too. Good luck. The point is that you need a running back for this week. Well, you might go three and four and that's okay because you for Austin Eckler, who's on a bye. I would too. The point is that you need a running back for this week. Well, you might go three and four, and that's okay, because you have Austin Eckler the rest of the season, and Tyreek Hill's bye is going to come up. But you can be three and four and make the playoffs.
Starting point is 01:03:35 It's not the end of the world. Why don't you aim for Jonathan Taylor with one of those receivers? His bye doesn't come for a long time. He's not having a great stretch. I like Eckler better. I do too, but you can't start Eckler this week. Why do you have to win this week? Play for the rest of the season. I'm not going to
Starting point is 01:03:53 because Taylor's going to have a bye at some point. I'm not going to make week seven everything here. Guy needs a running back. Yeah, get Eckler. He can't win for three weeks and Dararyl williams is going to be toast in a few weeks but i'm just not certain that eckler is going to be better than tyree kill rest of season like it's not if i'd make tyree kill for austin eckler i don't fix my
Starting point is 01:04:17 running back problem this week and now i have a wide receiver problem well but in any case you're gonna have a wide receiver problem right if you'd trade tyree kill i guess you could go trade tyree kill for you know mixon and could you try to trade him for mixon and keenan allen yeah okay that could work all right time for some emails add somebody who would accept that trade in your league fantasy football at cbsi.com is the email address you got a better chance of it being like leonard fournette and terry mclaurin okay matt uh wants to know what you think about cam acres and daryl henderson moving forward what do you think the rams backfield looks like after this year right yeah after this year. Right, yeah, after this year. I think it comes down to how well Cam Akers comes back from his injury.
Starting point is 01:05:13 And it's an Achilles, so it's going to take him a while to be able to prove that he can come back to what he once was. I think it's going to be difficult for him, and my guess is that the Rams will probably use both guys I don't know what the contract situation is for Henderson but let's just say they're both on the team next year they'll use both guys they'll mix and match them until one breaks out the Marlon Mack playing this year even at a mediocre level at times has been very encouraging for the possibility of cam acres being good next year I think think it also depends heavily on whether Daryl Henderson can get through
Starting point is 01:05:48 the next 11 games unscathed. He's had such a hard time staying healthy. I think the most likely outcome is either Henderson and Akers in a committee next year or the Rams add a new running back next year. Dylan is 4-2. He's in a three-receiver PPR league. Would you trade CeeDee Lamb for Justin Herbert and Keenan Allen? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:06:11 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Colin Bates wants to know, what's a better trade? Give up Mixon and Knox for Najee Harris? Or give up Naheem Hines and Knox for Miles Sanders? Both, but I'd probably rather have Najee Harris. Yes. Steven wants to know,
Starting point is 01:06:31 do I trade Julio Jones and Jamal Williams for Clyde Edwards-Elair? I think that's a good move with the long-term in mind. You're consolidating your roster. You're going to give yourself a running back that you'll feel, okay, starting as a number two option. You clear out a bench spot. It's a very generous offer, to be honest, for Clyde.
Starting point is 01:06:55 I just, man, if Darrell Williams has two more games like he just had, and he wasn't particularly efficient, his yards per carry were bad, but I just kind of feel like the, the split will be even more ingrained when Clyde comes back. Just playing it. Cause I like the music. We'll talk to you tomorrow on fantasy football today. Thanks so much,
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