Fantasy Football Today - Sleepers! Jameis, Lazard, Toney and More (06/14 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: June 14, 2022

Before we get into the 2022 sleepers, we drafted yesterday! A real league that we're playing out! Did it change any rankings or strategies for us? Now let's get to the sleepers beginning with Nyheim ...Hines (5:45) who showed up on both Jamey's and Heath's sleepers lists ... We talk about Alexander Mattison and Cole Kmet as sleepers (13:40) before going through the news and notes (17:15) as Russell Gage could be primed for a big season, Tony Pollard is getting work in the slot and questions emerge about the role for Josh Jacobs ... More sleepers! Wide receivers (25:50), quarterbacks (33:00), tight ends (36:15), veteran WRs coming off of injury (38:15) and finally a few running backs (40:40) to discuss. Do we prefer Kadarius Toney or Allen Lazard? Tyler Allgeier or Dameon Pierce? ... Your emails at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @ctowerscbs, @BenSchragg Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Get 20% off Fantasy Football Today merch: https://store.cbssports.com/collections/fantasy-football-today%20?utm_source=podcast-apple-com&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=buy-our-merch&utm_content=fantasy-football-collection Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:25 Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. Welcome to Fantasy Football Today. It is Tuesday, June 14th, and we did a real draft yesterday. And not one of those best balls or anything, like a real draft that we're playing out. We're gonna do sleepers today, kind of an early-ish look at sleepers. The list will change, but question for you guys. When you do a real draft that counts, do you get clarity on some players?
Starting point is 00:01:55 Do you figure out, oh, I actually like this guy more than I realize, or I don't really want to draft him. Does it change anything for you? Yeah. Well, I shouldn't say like real draft because I do that with mock drafts. You know, I don't necessarily take a different approach to the drafts I'm doing in terms of how I feel about players. I try to think I learn something from every draft, which is why you should be doing mock drafts to try and learn something or, you know, see something you like or, you know, try find some some philosophy or something that might work for you but um yeah i mean you know you always come away when you see a finished product
Starting point is 00:02:29 and say okay i should have done this differently or that differently um if if there's something you want to change i didn't mean it like that i meant players that you've realized oh actually now that this actually counts and i have to play it out i don't like this guy as i don't want to take him here or i really do want to take him here. Did you have any moments like that? I had a few. For me, that draft yesterday was not the type of draft where that would happen
Starting point is 00:02:55 because it was a half PPR draft, and I'm just constantly trying to bounce back and forth between the two rankings and decide who I like. I don't have rankings for half PPR. And it's like, we've got, I've gotten personally very spoiled anytime I have to draft on a different site besides CBS and my rankings aren't preloaded into the
Starting point is 00:03:13 draft room. It seems like a pain now. All right. Well, I guess yesterday, for example, I realized just how much I want a piece of the Denver passing game, you know?
Starting point is 00:03:23 And I, I, I don't know if I reach for Sutton cause I wasn't going to get him. I had one of the swing pick the 11th pick, but I knew I needed to get Cortland Sutton or Jerry Judy there. I took Sutton, but, um, yeah, that was just one thing. And I was around three or around four. I took him in round three. I mean, I, I didn't know if I'd get him in round four, but I would have taken him. I think, you know, in a blanket, 35th overall is a little early for Sutton, but I wasn't...
Starting point is 00:03:50 In a blanket? In a blanket? In a vacuum. What the hell is in a blanket? In a blanket? Were you drafting in a blanket? Maybe I was thinking blanket statement or something. What were you doing in the blanket?
Starting point is 00:04:00 In a vacuum. It's a little early, but I knew I wasn't going to get them two rounds later. It's really uncomfortable to start reaching in a blanket. It was a snuggie, Heath. My arms were free. Anyway, I just felt like things were a little bit different. The draft you're referencing, it's our magazine draft,
Starting point is 00:04:22 so we don't want to give too much away because it's a fun draft to're referencing, it's our magazine draft. So we don't want to give too much away because, you know, it's a fun draft to read about, particularly because everybody taking part in it writes a little blurb about either their team or strategy or their players. And, you know, it's fun, you know, and I think we're going to talk about a lot of mock drafts probably before this one even comes out. So, you know, several things will change. But it's more about, I think, when you read that one or take a look at it hopefully you do you see kind of the the strategy i think you know more so and like heath's strategy was interesting
Starting point is 00:04:54 uh which we can discuss here you know just without giving away too much but like you started three running backs in a row in a three receiver league um I took one wide receiver in my first six picks in a three receiver lead league. Um, just because of the way the draft board fell, I picked first, he's picked fourth. Um, Adam, you were, you said you picked 11th, the, uh, the, the person picking after you, you know, uh, kind of ruined you a little bit at the start of the draft as well, you know, with the strategy that they took. So, you know, those types of things I think are interesting about this draft, um, more so at least from my perspective, you know, those strategy that they took so you know those type of things i think are interesting about this draft uh more so at least from my perspective you know those those type of things because i know this draft because it's you know a month before people will see it is going to
Starting point is 00:05:35 potentially be outdated but it's not it's not really about the players and the spots that they are because that could change it's really more about how did you go about constructing your team you know for for me at least that's the takeaway what do you call it when uh when i eat a lot while i draft pig in a blanket okay so thank you jamie okay uh so i'm not laughing at the joke i'm laughing at you telling the joke that's fine i as long as it gets a laugh. So today is a sleeper show, and you guys both gave me a list of six-ish sleepers. Interesting that Heath is wearing gold today. Yeah, did you lose a bet?
Starting point is 00:06:16 No. Okay. Why would I be losing a bet? Because you have to wear it. This is from one of our listeners. It's Aloha Beer. Oh. Which is an interesting color choice given your basketball.
Starting point is 00:06:26 Right. Aloha also means goodbye. It does. It's not over yet. What's that? Wanted to go to Game 7. You do? You wanted to go to Game 7. Sorry, you froze a little, Heath. Well, he needed to go to Game 7.
Starting point is 00:06:43 Yeah, I think he wants to go to a Game 7. Heath is frozen right now, so let's see if we can get a blanket for him and fix that. You guys both gave me a list of sleepers, about six of them, and there was one that showed up on both of your lists, and that was Naheem Hines. We did this yesterday on FFTN5. I think Naheem Hines is going in the 130s right now.
Starting point is 00:07:05 He is going 134th overall. He is RB45. And Heath, you good? Yeah, I'm here. All right, so tell me why Naeem Hines is a sleeper and when you think an appropriate time to draft him would be. His coach and his quarterback continue to say over and over again how he's going to have a bigger role and how um how good he looks and how excited they are
Starting point is 00:07:31 that the new unique ways they're going to use him there will be a little bit more passing in this offense this year because they have a little bit more confidence in matt ryan i think than anybody they've had the last couple of years and And they didn't. Alec Pierce has some upside, but he's not probably going to have a huge target share his first year. So they're going to play Hines more at wide receiver. And I think you could start looking for him in a full PPR league in round eight. Okay. Jamie, is Hines a sleeper because he's going 130th
Starting point is 00:08:00 or because he's going to have a really big impact this year or both? Yes. Yeah, both. I think you look at this opportunity, and I've said this a few times, Heath referenced what they're saying about him. I spoke to their offense coordinator. I spoke to their running backs coach.
Starting point is 00:08:18 Both very excited about Naheem Hines, and the thing that stood out to me is we'll see if it plays out we hear this a lot in mini camp and training camp and then it doesn't always come to fruition but marcus brady their offense coordinator said that they want to play both naheem hines and jonathan taylor together and to piggyback off what he said when you look at this receiving core you know right now paris campbell's healthy but we know he's had a hard time staying on the field alec pierce is a rookie we'll see what kind of an impact he has but he's a rookie and you have Matt Ryan who's very similar in the way that he plays to the way Philip Rivers plays in terms of they're
Starting point is 00:08:54 not going to move very much out of the pocket and so what did we see from Hines two years ago he had 76 targets and 63 catches and so like I said on fft and five i would not be surprised if we see more of that escalated and heinz could be in the conversation to be top five in receptions from his position and so you know when you when you look at that you know if you get the the james white type of season which you reference a lot adam from these type of players you know when they get to the seven touchdown range or or higher you know, that that's asking a lot, but if we get that, and then he has that reception total and it'll be fluky, you know, you never know really when to play these type of guys, but if you just stick them in your flex and PPR, especially in, you know, a stack 12 team league, or certainly a 14 team league or larger, he's the type of player that can deliver for you.
Starting point is 00:09:41 But I think he'd be a flex. I think he could be maybe a part-time starter. If things go right, they've brought in some guys, you know, to help, you know, in terms of the depth of the position. So he's not going to be the handcuffs to Jonathan Taylor. Don't view him that way. But, you know, if he's around 100 carries, he had 89 carries in that 2020 season. If he's around 70 catches, I think he can deliver some pretty good production. Hines had 63 catches twice, 63-44, 63-40. In 2018, his rookie season, they were second in the NFL in pass attempts. They had Andrew Luck. In 2020, I think they were 20th in pass attempts,
Starting point is 00:10:14 so they had Phillip Rivers, who threw the ball to his running backs all throughout his career all the time. I know Matt Ryan isn't going to move, but really nobody was Phillip Rivers when it comes to throwing to your running backs. I guess my... Yeah, but Rivers is dumping it off to running backs all the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm just saying. Right, okay.
Starting point is 00:10:34 So Rivers is kind of in a class of his own. I guess my fear with Hines is they're so run heavy. They were 27th in pass attempts last year. And how many rushing touchdowns is he going to get? I think he had two last year. I think, you know, in terms of being run heavy and you just, the narrative is pretty clear at this point, how much they were afraid of Carson Wentz and didn't like Carson Wentz,
Starting point is 00:10:56 didn't trust Carson Wentz. You know, that's not going to be the case in that, right? Okay. So they're still going to be run heavy. Why wouldn't you when you have, you know, arguably the best running back in football, but I think they'll be more prone to throwing the ball, So they're still going to be run heavy. Why wouldn't you when you have arguably the best running back in football? But I think they'll be more prone to throwing the ball,
Starting point is 00:11:11 which is why they made the move to go get Matt Ryan and move on to Carson Wentz. I mean, they had to eat a first-round pick with the trade that they made. So last question on this. Who should be the first two pass-catching running backs to get drafted? First two? Yes. So we're eliminating the lead rushers on teams? Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:34 So I'm thinking of guys like James Cook. Or does Chase Edmonds fall? Good question. He's in this blanket, I think. I will put Chase Edmonds and I am. And then, yeah,
Starting point is 00:11:48 I don't know if I'd use Chase Edmonds the same way, but if you want to, he would be the first one. I would say Heinz would be the second one. You could say cook, you know, does Kareem Hunt fall in this category? No,
Starting point is 00:11:58 I don't think so. Yeah. What about now? Tony Pollard with him playing the slot? I don't think so. Yeah. I was thinking of thinking of more guys who almost all of their value comes in passes. So McKissick, McCatches, McKissick. You're thinking the Darren Spoles.
Starting point is 00:12:13 Yeah, McKissick, Cook, what we thought Giovanni Bernard was going to be. Maybe James White. I mean, maybe James White, right? He had 12 catches in two games before getting hurt. Sure. So let's eliminate Edmonds. So Hines would be one, and who would be two?
Starting point is 00:12:27 Cook and Heath, who would you take? Yeah, I think Cook is probably... Well, is Cordero Patterson a fast-cooking running back? No. Okay. James Cookton. Alright, and that is Naeem Hines. Hey, we got a lot of great stuff coming out, including that magazine. Jamie, tell us about some of the content that we can see on the website
Starting point is 00:12:47 and wherever coming up. The magazine will be out sometime in, I think, late July, middle of July, I guess. We're wrapping everything up. We just got an email today. We were debating prior to the show about when our actual deadline is. Adam does not understand the difference between next Monday and Monday, according to an email he received. Can I lay it out here? Should I do a Twitter poll? Yes, you should do a Twitter poll.
Starting point is 00:13:14 Let's get some reaction here from the YouTube audience. You tell me what you think. Someone sends an email on Thursday and says, I need something by next Monday. Do they mean the first upcoming Monday or the one after that? So is it Friday, Saturday, Saturday? Is it four days later or is it 11 days later? If somebody emails you on Thursday and asks for something next Monday, do you give it to them four days later or 11 days later? Let me know. He and I both very clearly
Starting point is 00:13:45 understood that that was the first Monday, four days later. And you were in the minority because four people did not understand that, or I think three people did not understand that. I think they probably didn't understand your explanation. I know Schneier and I both thought it was next week. I don't know what Dave thought. Dave hadn't gotten his assignment
Starting point is 00:14:04 in yet. Dave also was supposed to be in the draft yesterday at 12 and showed up at 1230. So his scheduling is all off. All right, what's coming up? What else, Jamie? Well, once we put all that stuff to bed, we'll have our usual pre-training camp content coming out, which will include a lot of mock drafts that we'll be doing on YouTube, which I find it interesting that you don't say hello to the audience. You say hello, YouTube. Like you're talking to the site.
Starting point is 00:14:32 I am talking to the site. I didn't know we had an audience. I was talking to my computer. Hello, YouTube. Yeah. All right. Yeah, so that's what you have to look forward to. Now, new segment.
Starting point is 00:14:43 Heath is going to hate this segment. Heath does not like rankings disputes very much. But now I'm going to make him call out Jamie for a bad sleeper pick, potentially. You have to look at Jamie's list of sleepers, which is Kirk Cousins, Alexander Madison, Ronald Jones,
Starting point is 00:15:00 Alan Lazard, Russell Gage, and Kadarius Toney. Call them out for one. Are there any you disagree with? Any you'd like further explanation on? Kirk Cousins, Alexander Madison,
Starting point is 00:15:10 Ronald Jones, Lazard, Gage, Tony. Yeah, I don't think there's any chance at all Alexander Madison's going to live up to his ADP unless Alvin Cook gets hurt. So he's a bust and not a sleeper.
Starting point is 00:15:20 How'd I do? How'd he do, Jimmy? Sure. Well, does Madison have any value without a Cook injury, or is he strictly a handcuff? He's strictly a handcuff, but he's a league-winning handcuff. He's played seven games in the last two years without Dalvin Cook or with Cook leaving,
Starting point is 00:15:40 missing significant time with injury, and in those seven games, his per-game average would have made him RB4 last year. That's how good he's been. He's had like 120 or more total yards in five of the seven, I think. So, all right. So, good job, Heath. Jamie, now it's your turn.
Starting point is 00:15:56 Heath's list is Jameis Winston, Damian Pierce, Jahan Dotson, Garrett Wilson, and Cole Komet. Want to call out any of those? Jameis Winston, who is currently QB 21 in ADP. Damian Pierce, rookie for the Texans. Jahan Dotson, rookie wide receiver for the Commanders. Garrett Wilson, rookie wide receiver for the Jets. And Cole Komet.
Starting point is 00:16:18 I would never call out a colleague for anything that they do or think. I think it's a perfect list. I'm very proud of you, Keith for putting together players uh the only no the only disagreement i would have is that just and and this is where it's so always fun to to uh talk about the difference between a sleeper and a breakout like i have come out as a breakout player this year as opposed to a sleeper so that would be the only nitpick for me but it it's a perfect list. I love it. I figured I was really safe with Damien Pierce, at least. We already know the difference between sleepers and breakouts.
Starting point is 00:16:51 Sleepers, sleepers, when you weeks breakouts, when you leagues TM, that's mine. Everybody, I'll say it somewhere else. And so they'll give me credit.
Starting point is 00:17:01 He'll start giving you credit for it. All right. So you guys like your sleeper list great let's take a break when we come back we have a lot of news and notes and we'll get into all those sleepers after this break on fantasy football today what does possible sound like for your business it's having the spend to powers your scale with no preset spending limit. More cash on hand to grow your business with up to 55 interest-free days and the ability to reach further with access to over 1400 airport lounges worldwide. Redefine possible with Business Platinum. That's the powerful backing of
Starting point is 00:17:38 American Express. Terms and conditions apply. Visit amex.ca slash business platinum. Hello, YouTube. Hello, computer. Hello, phone that people are listening to this podcast on. Welcome back. Let's do some news and notes. So I thought we would get to this yesterday, but we didn't get to much. But Tom Brady said Russell Gage has to have a big year for Tampa Bay.
Starting point is 00:18:03 He is one of Jamie's sleepers. I think he's going around 100th overall. Does he have a big year if both Godwin and Evans are on the field, Jamie Russell Gage? Big year in terms of winning you leagues? No. But will he win you some weeks? Potentially. And I think the weeks that you're looking for, you're looking for early in the season, you know, at least as of now, if Godwin is not there. So to answer your question, if they're both healthy, I don't think he's Antonio Brown. No. Uh, you know, Russell gauge has been, you know, a mediocre player for the majority of his career. A lot of that is because he's been on the field
Starting point is 00:18:37 with some great players. But as we saw last year, when he got the opportunity to be a focal point of the offense, when there was no Calvin Ridley closed the season playing very well with a lesser quarterback and Matt Ryan he's going to play within Tom Brady in a lesser system and so they throw the ball so much in Tampa Bay and you know Brady talking about he's got you know six weeks to learn the offense and become you know more comfortable with everything playing inside and outside you know there's clearly there's there's a few things that play here there's with Godwin without Godwin, there's the scenario of maybe Godwin and what happens if Edmonds Evans gets hurt early in the year and Godwin's not there.
Starting point is 00:19:10 There's also no Gronk as of now, you know, so there's a plant, there's plenty of big opportunity in front of Russell gauge, but if everybody's there and they all are healthy from week one through week 18, then I think Russell gauge is probably priced appropriately, but we'll leave you a little bit disappointed. Yeah, I think it's like one of those situations where his ADP is almost as if he's going to be the number three wide receiver on the team for the entire season. It's kind of like when Kareem Hunt, we were drafting in round six and saying,
Starting point is 00:19:38 but one injury and he could have a monster year. Well, Gage doesn't necessarily need one injury. He needs the guy who is currently injured to not recover too quickly or for Gronk to not come back. There's a lot of outs. And Evans is getting up there in age, you know, so if he gets hurt also. Yeah, he's going 104th overall, Russell Gage. He is wide receiver
Starting point is 00:19:56 43. All right, next news item here. Patrick Mahomes and Marquez Valdez-Scantling have had a strong connection, according to The Athletic. Him and Justin Watson. And what's that? Him and Justin Watson. I don't get what was funny.
Starting point is 00:20:13 Last week, the reports were that Mahomes was very impressed with Justin Watson. He specifically called somebody in the front office to tell them what a good job they did bringing in Justin Watson. Okay. Well, MVS is going. It was wide receiver 57 right now. Oh, this is actually a big deal.
Starting point is 00:20:31 Maybe. Kansas City re-signed Jarek McKinnon. Is it a big deal? It's a deal. Yeah. I mean, I downgraded Clyde a couple spots. It was terrible at the end of last season when they were using him so much in the playoffs and you know so now you have
Starting point is 00:20:48 ronald jones to steal rushing work and you have jared mckinnon to steal passing downs work i thought one thing that was interesting with clio zeller because uh just doing some some research which i don't know how this was not reported that he had gallbladder surgery last offseason and he was down to 160 pounds going into I think the start training camp um how that or maybe it was at some point in the offseason but uh how that was not reported anywhere given how NFL news is typically you know uh readily available thanks to all the great news breakers we have um so you know Clyde was was probably not in great shape to start the season and then he dealt with more injuries. But in any event, I mean, McKinnon was their guy at the end of the year last year in the playoffs.
Starting point is 00:21:29 He had 48 touches in the three playoff games. And if he's going to in any way impact Clyde's role in the passing game, which is what I was excited about for him, I think we all were, that's going to be a little bit tough. You know, so it's harder to trust him. You know, Ronald Jones, I think his role is kind of locked in. He's going to, you know, do whatever he can do carrying the ball. He's not going to be heavily involved in the passing game.
Starting point is 00:21:50 But, man, it's not as exciting as it could have been for Edwards-Lehrer. This is one, like, you know, when you talk about it, he's one of the guys I drafted in the league yesterday. And as soon as, you know, this news broke, I was like, oh, that's one I regret. Your team's done so mckinnon though mckinnon had almost no role in the offense until week 18 basically and then he was the lead running back in week 18 and in the playoffs and that was what i'm just repeating
Starting point is 00:22:21 are you laughing no it's just hilarious what happened with jerek mckinnon last year it is yeah and he did pretty well in the playoffs but yeah i wonder if that was just because clyde was hurt you know clyde missed weeks 16 and 17 or something like that i remember off the top of my head uh no no he missed 17 18 and then week one of the playoffs but and then he came back i don't know i mean maybe mckinnon goes back to just being a special teams guy like he was for almost all of last year hopefully the bigger problem for me is like i could see um it seemed pretty obvious with no daryl williams or mckinnon that edwards lair was going to get a chance to play the role that i think he'd be best at and maybe he will still like there's still a possibility that like you said mckinnon doesn't matter that much but
Starting point is 00:23:02 this does give the chiefs another out you mentioned he was hurt at the end of last year he was hurt at the end of his rookie year it's possible he gets dinged up in camp and they're just like you know we can't we can't count on this guy to be a major part of the offense and clive was also he was hurt twice last year right and he was hurt in the playoffs right as you said in 2020 and the last right and then the year before okay dalton Schultz is going to attend minicamp, according to Patrick Walker of CBS Sports. And Jonathan Jones of CBS Sports said there is urgency for the Panthers to trade for Baker Mayfield. If they do that, how far, if at all, would you move DJ Moore up in your rankings? Right to where he is.
Starting point is 00:23:43 Maybe a spot or two higher. Yeah, I was trying i think i've got him 15 or 16 now 14 maybe i i could see him getting up to 12 he'd be right in that same range though okay jacoby myers and alan lazard signed one-year deals hunter renfro signed a two-year 32 million dollar extension with 21 million guaranteed tony Pollard could see some work in the slot. Jamie alluded to that earlier. Pollard or A.J. Dillon? Dillon. Tyreek Hill said he wanted more targets in Kansas City.
Starting point is 00:24:21 Wanted the rock more. And he also said that Tua Tungavailoa is more accurate than Patrick Wilhelms. Alright. It might be true. I don't know. Vic Taffer of The Athletic doesn't think Josh Jacobs will have a
Starting point is 00:24:36 bell cow role. In fact, the whole article was not very positive. They're not shining a very positive light on the prospects for Josh Jacobs. And wondering if you guys are worried about Jacobs after this article from the Athletic, Vic Taffer of the Athletic. Yes, a little bit.
Starting point is 00:24:54 I think it's hard to overlook taking him in that round four range. Right. It's kind of already being priced in. If we thought he was going to be what he was last year, he'd be going in round two. No, he wouldn't. Washington and Terry McGill, you are always so much kinder to Josh Jacobs
Starting point is 00:25:09 than you need to be. I do not get it. So where would you take Josh Jacobs if he thought he was going to be what he was last year? What he was for the full season or what he was for the last however many games when he was catching all the passes. Whatever he finished at.
Starting point is 00:25:29 I'd say 30, somewhere between 30 and 36. Mid to late round three. Round two is for great players. Round two is for stars. All right? Come on. Okay. Washington and Terry McLaurin. Oh, we had an update on this. Did we have an update on. Washington and Terry McLaurin.
Starting point is 00:25:45 Oh, we had an update on this. Did we have an update on this today? Terry McLaurin not going to show up for camp? Is that where we're at? I don't think so. That was yesterday. It was yesterday? Okay.
Starting point is 00:25:56 Robbie Anderson said he was thinking about retiring, but he's reporting to camp. Do you guys care at all about Terry McLaurin not coming to anything this offseason with a new quarterback? A little. Sure. I kind of do.
Starting point is 00:26:10 Yeah, he's going to be in that Josh Jacobs range. He might actually be a star. Robbie Anderson. Oh, I did the Robbie Anderson thing. There we go. Seattle optimistic about a new contract for DK Metcalf. Unsure about Chris Carson being able to return from a neck injury. And I thought this was interesting,
Starting point is 00:26:27 and it plays into sleepers a little bit here because Heath has Garrett Wilson as a sleeper, the Jets' rookie pick. Rich Cimini of ESPN was talking about who's going to take over the slot role that Jamison Crowder had. And he said, don't sleep on Braxton Berrios, whose reliability as a route runner makes him a strong candidate for a bump in playing time.
Starting point is 00:26:47 So the Jets beat writer for ESPN, Rich Cimini, is predicting that Berrios becomes their leading slot receiver, which obviously I'm not saying draft Braxton Berrios. I'm just wondering, can any Jets wide receiver really stand out this year? Because when Corey Davis played, he was okay. When Corey Davis didn't play,
Starting point is 00:27:07 that's when Elijah Moore took off. Now you've got Garrett Wilson. You do have burials. I don't know. It seems like a crowded receiving core. I don't know if anyone really stands out Heath. I'll throw it to you because Garrett Wilson is one of your sleepers. What do you think about the jets overall there?
Starting point is 00:27:22 I think like if Braxton burrios is going to play the slot they can't get out from under cory davis's contract so that would be very bad news um for one of garrett wilson and elijah moore you can't play four wide receivers all the time unless you're gonna play cory davis just because they don't believe cory davis is 15 million on the bench uh maybe i feel like davis did a decent enough job last year. He did. Right here. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:47 But I mean, if you're, if you're playing your talent, you're playing the two guys that you drafted. You know, I think what they saw last year is that, you know, they needed to get more weapons.
Starting point is 00:27:57 So it would be kind of strange to still play Braxton Barrios. Yes. As opposed to maybe seeing if Elijah Moore can play in the slot or Garrett Wilson can play in the slot, because I don't think Corey Davis is going to play in the slot. I would try to approach it that way if I'm trying to maximize my potential, but obviously you don't want to also put a player in a spot that he's not comfortable playing.
Starting point is 00:28:16 I guess we can lump in all of the wide receivers that you guys have on your sleeper list. Their ADPs are going to be fairly similar. Garrett Wilson, Alan Lazard, Russell Gage, Kadarius Toney. Now, Wilson was for Heath along with Jahan Dotson.
Starting point is 00:28:33 He'll be the last one drafted in this group. Alan Lazard, Russell Gage, and Kadarius Toney were Jamie's. So that's five guys. I'll just say it one more time.
Starting point is 00:28:43 Garrett Wilson, Jahan Dotson are the rookies. Alan Lazardsell gage and cadarius tony the others heath your thoughts on this group who should be the first one drafted um i have garrett wilson is the highest ranked right now because i think he has the most talent jamie who should be the first one drafted lazard he's the first one drafted? Lazard. He's the number one guy for Aaron Rodgers as of now. He's another one. Is he a sleeper or a breakout for me? Who should be the last one drafted?
Starting point is 00:29:13 Dotson? Depending on the reports from McLaurin, could be Wilson. But I would say Dotson, yes. I have Gage last amongst this group. Your bold prediction a couple weeks ago, Heath, was that Dotson would lead the commanders in receiving, right?
Starting point is 00:29:34 Yes, it was. That was after the first round of positive news, and now they're going to go to OTAs, and Terry McCorn's not going to be there. And if we get another round, then... No, I've actually got Dotson. I think I might have taken him before one of these guys in in the draft we did yesterday i took him in round 10 anything else you guys would like to say about this group i mean we talked about gage lazard cadarious tony dotson garrett wilson tony we haven't talked about
Starting point is 00:29:59 today anything you guys want to bring t Tony is the one that I just feel like I need to sit and listen about because I have no clue at all what to expect from him or the Giants offense or target distribution. I don't even know if Kadarius Tony is the best wide receiver on the team, but I wouldn't argue against it. I think that's
Starting point is 00:30:20 fair. There are a lot of unknowns with this situation because you have is Sterling Shepard ready? And if he's not, then is Tony the slot receiver? Is that Wanda Robinson? Is it going to be Tony, you know, just being moved around the formation? I mean, clearly there was some examples, small sample size, but some examples of just how good Kedarious Tony can be. You know, and Adam references all the time, you know, what he's done with the ball in his hands. And that goes back to the same thing he did when he was at Florida.
Starting point is 00:30:48 So, you know, the, the potential for what Kadarius Tony could be is, you know, I don't, I don't want to say superstar, but he certainly has the ability to be I think an 80 catch guy. I think a guy that, you know, if his yards per catch is comparable to what it could be, you know, he could be, you know, an 1,100 type of yard receiver. And he could be, you know, a 7'8 touchdown type of guy.
Starting point is 00:31:16 But is Daniel Jones the quarterback to maximize that? Is Brian Dable the coach to maximize that? You know, and so if everybody's there and there's, you know, four capable wide receivers, I'm not going to include dari slayton um you know but with you know shepherd and and robinson maybe having a bigger role than just not being a gadget guy and holiday's healthy and tony's healthy then it's probably going to be difficult for for tony to be uh the type of player that he's capable of being but we saw last year in those you know two games uh i think it was new orleans and dallas right and i'm thinking yes it was New Orleans and Dallas, right? Yes, it was.
Starting point is 00:31:46 And then I would throw in the game after that. I'll give you the stats. Six catches, 78 yards on nine targets at New Orleans. Ten catches, 189 yards on 13 targets at Dallas. That was with everybody getting injured. Kenny Gaudi got hurt. Daniel Jones got hurt. The following week, this game really stood out
Starting point is 00:32:01 to me, honestly. He played the Rams. He had three catches for 36 yards. He played six snaps. That was the first quarter, right? That was the first drive. And they just kept going to him against the Rams. Six snaps, three targets. Is that Mike Glennon still?
Starting point is 00:32:16 No. Yeah, probably. Yeah, because Jones missed. Yeah, he must have missed that game. Because he got hurt against it. So he was a lot better with Glennon he got hurt against... Actually, no. I think Daniel Jones... He got hurt against Dallas. I don't think
Starting point is 00:32:31 he missed the game after that. I think that was the end. Lennon played Week 5 against Dallas, then he didn't come back again until Week 13. Yeah, yeah. So he did miss that game. Who missed what game? He did not play against the Rams. Jones did not. No, Jones did not i'm sorry i thought you said jones did not play until week 13 my bad
Starting point is 00:32:50 no that was the first daniel jones injury he came back quickly from that but uh yeah he was on fire in that stretch and i'm trying to find a stat in our advanced metrics that show which wide receiver makes guys miss the most it wouldn't surprise me if he was if tony was number one in that i don't think i can find that though but i'm gonna say he's number one let's just go with that uh would you take cadarious tony or or um christian watson tony watson and i lied i said i thought i had gage last amongst this group i actually have Christian Watson. Tony. Watson. And I lied.
Starting point is 00:33:27 I said I thought I had Gage last month's group. I actually have Tony last. OK. Let's talk about some sleeper quarterbacks. Kirk Cousins is Jamie's pick.
Starting point is 00:33:35 He's QB 15 right now. And Heath has Jameis Winston as a sleeper QB 21. And I'm not. Obviously Heath likes Cousins better than Winston. But Winston is QB 21. And I'm not, obviously, Heath likes Cousins better than Winston, but Winston is QB 21 in ADP.
Starting point is 00:33:48 He's going 155th overall in between Matt Ryan and Ryan Tannehill. We don't talk much about Jameis Winston-Heath, so make a sleeper case for him. I like his ADP a lot, especially like two quarterback or one quarterback league. I think he's a good backup that has some upside. We've seen when he's unleashed how good he is. And listen, if Michael Thomas comes back
Starting point is 00:34:08 and Chris Alave is as good as we think he is, that's a really good receiving core. And you've got Alvin Kamara doing things out of the backfield as well. Is there anyone that is going ahead of Jameis Winston that you would take Winston over? And I will tell you who those players are. Because it's a lot of it's like Justin Fields.
Starting point is 00:34:29 Certainly there are, because I have him like 16th. Okay, so then let's go. Ahead of Winston is Matt Ryan. No. What does that mean? I would take Winston. Okay. Trevor Lawrence.
Starting point is 00:34:40 Give me Winston. Justin Fields. Fields. Tua Tungavailoa. Winston. Justin Fields. Fields. Tua Tungavailoa. Winston. Deshaun Watson. It's not even worth asking, I guess. Deshaun Watson right now if you're drafting.
Starting point is 00:34:56 Winston. Kirk Cousins. Cousins. Trey Lance. Lance. Okay. Jamie Kirk Cousins, QB 15, 102nd overall right now. Interesting, he's just after Trey Lance,
Starting point is 00:35:09 but he's before Watson, Tua, Justin Fields, and Trevor Lawrence. Would you take any of those year two quarterbacks, Lawrence, Fields, Lance, ahead of Cousins, or do you have him ahead of all of them? The only one I would consider would be Lance, but no, not at this point. I think you've heard me say time and time again, how excited I am about Kevin O'Connell coming to Minnesota and the opportunity that Cousins has in front of him with a healthy receiving core as
Starting point is 00:35:36 now the return of Herb Smith. And I think, again, just a more aggressive approach. So he's been a very successful fantasy quarterback in the past, always underrated as a fantasy quarterback, and clearly it feels a little icky to trust Kirk Cousins because of the reputation that he has, but he produces, and it's
Starting point is 00:35:56 easy to get him in drafts if you want to wait. Him, Derek Carr, these are two guys I think they're going to, you know, be significant difference makers based on the either upgraded coach or weapons in, in cars case. But I think both these guys have a chance to have their best seasons
Starting point is 00:36:14 ever. Are you both taking Kirk cousins over Aaron Rogers? Yeah. Okay. ADP is not Aaron. Rogers is going 87th overall cousins is going 102nd overall all right those are your sleeper quarterbacks let's do tight ends we'll do running backs last sleeper tight ends there's only one on the list that i got from jamie and heath and that was cole
Starting point is 00:36:38 comet as jamie said not sure if comet's a breakout or a sleeper he's one of jamie's breakout so we can both you can both talk about Cole Komet and what you like about him. What do you think, Heath? Give me your sleeper case for Cole Komet. Yeah, my distinction is just that a sleeper is someone generally who's being drafted outside of the first nine
Starting point is 00:36:58 rounds. And Komet has a round 12 ADP. As Jamie always says, you want to go great or late and tight end. Kmet certainly fits the late profile, and I think he could be great. Each of the past three or four years now, we've had a guy kind of come from out of nowhere
Starting point is 00:37:14 and be a top five or six tight end. And the thing that those guys all have in common, I think it's Jamie that says this as well, is they have a chance to be top two on their team and targets. Kmet is probably favored right now to be second on his team and targets. Big breakout potential, especially if Justin Fields takes a step forward.
Starting point is 00:37:32 I've got him as a sleeper because ADP is just so low. Over the past four seasons, the tight ends who have finished top five, seven of them, seven of them were drafted in rounds one through three, 10 of them were drafted in round 12 or later. And one in round four, one in round five, one in round six, 10 of them. So that's half of them. I bring this up a lot. 50% in the last four years of the top five tight ends drafted around 12 or later. Uh, last year when we know he didn't score any touchdowns um but last
Starting point is 00:38:07 year just in terms of like you know some some interesting numbers for him uh eighth among tight end targets so he's already on his way there so number two in targets for his team is certainly still available 11th and target share among tight ends um six and share, so he plays a lot, which is always a good sign. And 14th in routes run for a team that doesn't throw the ball a lot, that's giving him a good opportunity if they throw the ball a little bit more this season. So there's clearly an arrow pointing up for Cole Komet.
Starting point is 00:38:39 And so as long as we don't see, which I would be surprised if these guys go there, but a Will Fuller, a Julio Jones, somebody to step in and help this receiving corps, which they need it. But he's in just a great spot. I'm glad you mentioned Julio Jones on a sleeper show. I'm calling him a sleeper right now. I think he's worth your last pick.
Starting point is 00:38:59 He's still sleeping right now, yes. Yeah. I think he's worth your last pick, because I know what's going to happen. If Julio Jones gets signed, then he goes somewhere that's exciting. There will be some helium, as people say, and he'll be worth more than your last pick at that point. So if you are doing a draft now, I think it's worth a very late pick.
Starting point is 00:39:19 All right. Well, let me ask you a question. Of the guys who are unsigned right now, Beckham coming off an ACL tear, Will Fuller coming off a terribly disappointing season where he couldn't play because of a finger injury, and we know his track record when he's, for the most part, not taking some sort of potential substance
Starting point is 00:39:35 that leads to him being suspended, and Julio Jones, who has the most upside? And they all go to the same spot in this scenario we're not okay obviously the team doesn't matter just who's the best outside uh i will say will fuller followed by i do not think fuller over i don't know followed by julio jones followed by odell Beckham. I kind of think, like for a full season, Beckham's definitely third. But like at this point in the draft, if you give me six weeks or two months of better production,
Starting point is 00:40:16 I think Beckham has more late season league winning upside than the other two. I just assume he's going back to the Rams. I'm not sure that's a great scenario. There was another thing, I think, yesterday about them speaking highly of him. Yeah. I agree with you. Fuller, to me, is the one.
Starting point is 00:40:33 Because if he's right, and obviously I was joking about the suspension stuff, but if he's right, he's got the most upside. He's also the youngest. Yeah. He's a really good player, but he's more injury-prone than Julio Jones. For sure. Sure. And Odell Beckham.
Starting point is 00:40:51 Yeah. You also, Adam, took Julio over Will Fuller in the draft yesterday. Yeah, I guess I didn't think about that. But I really struggle with that, Julio versus Will Fuller, so it's not like a clear-cut call for me. Anyway, let's go back to our sleepers here.
Starting point is 00:41:04 But all three were drafted. Okay. We'll go to the running backs. Running backs, Alexander Madison for Jamie. We talked about that. He's amazing when he gets the chance. Naeem Hines was a mutual one. So that brings us two more running backs.
Starting point is 00:41:18 Just to piggyback off of the Madison, because I led the sleepers column for the magazine with this, that you want to try to come away with your draft if you can with high level backups on great offenses, at least one, if you can. And, you know, there's not always a clear definition of who those guys are. The ones that I highlighted in the story were Rashad White, especially with Fournette's showing up to training camp a little out of shape. Isaiah Spiller, because I don't think Larry Roundtree
Starting point is 00:41:50 and Joshua Kelly are going to prove to be that good. Kenneth Gainwell from Philadelphia, just with Miles Sanders having a hard time staying healthy in Boston. Scott, who knows who's the number two guy there, but all the reports seem to indicate that it's going to be Gainwell. Darrell Williams already done it once, you know, a thousand total yard season last
Starting point is 00:42:07 year and eight touchdowns. And James Connor, as we know, has a hard time staying healthy, missed three games last year with an ankle problem or two games, whatever it was. So there are just clear opportunities to take these type of players. You want to throw Deontay Foreman in there if you want, just give him a Caffrey's in the track record, but that's not the type of offense I think you want to look at. Look at the offenses that have the chance to be very
Starting point is 00:42:29 productive, if not extremely productive. If there is a guy there that you can take within relative range, Madison's going to cost more than some of these other guys. Just stash them for a little bit. You probably end up dropping them. Why not skip Madison and just take Spiller four rounds later? just stash them for a little bit. You probably end up dropping them. So why not take,
Starting point is 00:42:45 why not skip Madison and just take Spiller four rounds later? Absolutely. But, well, no, I mean, I would rather have Madison because I think it's more, even at the cost, because I think it's more clear cut.
Starting point is 00:42:57 I don't know if Austin Eckler gets hurt. I can't tell you that Isaiah Spiller is just going to jump into a big role. I think it might be a committee. So I wasn't saying that you should do that. It's a question worth asking, though. You've got some certainty with Madison. You don't have that with other teams.
Starting point is 00:43:11 There's a reason it's a sliding scale. There's a reason Madison's going to go in the round nine range and Spillers is going to go probably around 12. That's why. Again, it's taking swings at fences that if you want to get out of the blanket and win your fantasy league, that's the type of moves that you make. So if you find the opportunity to take these guys, you should. Taking swings at fences is almost like in a blanket.
Starting point is 00:43:39 It's really wrong. It's not. It's wrong, I think. You're not swinging at the fence. You're swinging for the fence. It's not even remotely close to being in a blanket. Okay, let's check this Twitter poll, by the way. If someone emails you on Thursday
Starting point is 00:43:52 and tells you he needs something by next Monday, when do you think that assignment is due? Did you put the emphasis on next in the tweet? I put it in quotes, next Monday. Okay, so I don't think that email had next in quotes, so I'm not sure what people are making of that. I don't think they're making anything of it. Is it due four days
Starting point is 00:44:11 from Thursday or 11 days from Thursday? Right now it is 69% four days from Thursday, 31% 11 days from Thursday. You know, I feel like at least a little justified. That's about as close as you get to being right. All right, let's talk about Damian Pierce for the Texans
Starting point is 00:44:33 and Ronald Jones for the Chiefs. So, Jamie, Ronald Jones, you talked about his role a little earlier, but what do you think it is? How many touches per game? Does he get the goal line work? Because Clyde has not really featured Clyde there throughout his two years, a little bit. But who gets what in the Kansas City backfield?
Starting point is 00:44:57 I think if everybody's healthy right now, you're talking about maybe six to eight carries, but it's also in the similar vein of what we were just talking about with these guys on, you know, powerhouse offenses that if Clyde goes down, then it's pretty clear. He's going to be the rushing downs guy. If he's right.
Starting point is 00:45:12 And you know, can pick up the offense, which I think he can. His work in the passing game will probably be not as prominent as it might have been if Jerry McKinnon wasn't brought on as well. And so, you know, he talked about this with his bold predictions,
Starting point is 00:45:25 just about how much value the Chiefs backfield had last season when looking at both Darrell Williams and Clyde Rosario and obviously Jerick McKinnon as well. But I just think that, you know, they want to have a second guy. He's gotten – I don't want to say he's proven because he's clearly had his flaws, but he certainly has the ability to be successful. We saw that in stretches in Tampa Bay. And so as long as he's not fumbling the ball, he may be a better
Starting point is 00:45:50 runner than Clyde Edwards-Alaire and be the guy that they go to right away. So the first place I look for is offense. The second place I look for is what the backfield looks like. And clearly the Chiefs' backfield is shaky right now. So if Jones emerges as the best guy there, his cost is certainly perfect. the chief's backfield is shaky right now so if jones emerges as the best
Starting point is 00:46:05 guy there his cost is certainly perfect i hate that backfield i hate i hate it because i want it but you hate it you hate it if you have to pay for it and that's been the problem for the last couple of seasons you had to pay for it yeah it's true okay heath sorry heath damian pierce Make the case. Yeah, I think you can put him and Tyler Algier in the same category as just rookie running backs who have an opportunity to gain carries and are being drafted in the double-digit rounds right now. I don't...
Starting point is 00:46:38 Like, we've not seen... Marlon Beck got back, but kind of like Cam Akers. We haven't seen Marlon Beck get back to what he was before, and he didn't start at near as high a baseline as Cam Akers either, so I'm not sure what he's going to get back to. Rex Burkhead is not a whole lot of competition either. So I do think there's a chance that he could carve out a 12-15 touch roll from the double-digit rounds and be a high-end flex,
Starting point is 00:46:59 maybe even a low-end number two running back. I was very frustrated in this draft yesterday when I saw how far pierce and algier fell yeah um especially because i had taken five running backs by around 10 um with madison being the last one and then when we got into round 10 and i was at the back end of that as the first overall pick there was still damian pierce and tyler algier on the roster um I know Pierce I'm just looking at right now went right before you Heath in round 10 yeah were you were
Starting point is 00:47:29 you planning to take him he and he had been the top player on my board since I picked it in round nine I believe um but I took three running backs to start that draft and so I was I was trying to build wide receiver depth at the time but yes I was going to take him and then Algier went right after me in round 11 at that point I needed receiver depth, I was going to take him. And then Algier went right after me in round 11. At that point, I needed receiver depth, so I was not taking another one, but I was like, my God, this is just too easy to take somebody like this because while the Falcons are probably going to be bad and they're still Cordero Patterson, and I wouldn't overlook, we don't really talk a lot about maybe what Damian Williams could be
Starting point is 00:48:01 if he gets an opportunity. Not necessarily that he's going to be great, but just the opportunity because Tyler Algier was a fifth-round pick, and we know that there's not a lot of track record of success for guys taking that late in the NFL draft, but we might have to reevaluate it just because of how running backs get pushed down. But in any event, he could be a league winner at that spot. Oh, man. That's what I hesitate. How much upside do these guys really have? Do we really envision a scenario where Damian Pierce and Tyler Algier
Starting point is 00:48:27 are getting that much work, that big of a role? Damian Pierce ran a 4-5-9-40. That is terrible. But he plays faster than that, though. He did. He what? He plays faster than that, though. Not to me. To me, he is a bowling ball. He is a big bruiser. He's a tackle breaker.
Starting point is 00:48:44 I could see him being a goal linebacker but i don't see a lot of explosiveness he's never had more than 15 carries in a game and that's pretty similar to what josh jacobs did in college and jacobs had 23 carries in his first game in the nfl so that may not mean much but i i just on probably bad offenses uh I don't see them being the passing downs backs. I mean, I get the appeal, but there are probably handcuffs that have much more upside. Like Isaiah Spiller probably has much more upside, but obviously a much lower floor than Pearson Algier.
Starting point is 00:49:18 Would you guys agree with that? Well, sure. If the guys in front of them get hurt, absolutely. But again, it's a matter of what you need for your team at that point you know so you know i i have pierce and algier ranked ahead of madison because of what they could potentially do but the way that i built my team because i had four running backs at that point that i'm not going to play madison barring i'm not going to need madison barring Dalma cook injury. I could sit on it. Whereas if I had gone,
Starting point is 00:49:47 you know, the, the, the wide receiver route early earlier, um, Pearson Algier would have been excellent selections at this point. All right. I think that's it for our sleeper talk.
Starting point is 00:49:57 Now it's time for another segment. Heath hates. Adam goes through his inbox to find emails that he did not put in the notes alright I hope you can find some with like 7 or 8 player names that we get to rank and decide as keepers with dollar amounts preferably
Starting point is 00:50:13 let's find out how long can you keep them for here's one from I don't know Dave here's one from Sean in Saskatchewan dear eyebrow okay no I'm not reading these that is very inappropriate from Sean in Saskatchewan. Dear Eyebrow. Oh, okay. No, I'm not reading these.
Starting point is 00:50:29 That is very inappropriate. I'm in 12-team half PBR league with two running backs, two wide receivers, two flexes, and I need to keep 10. Oh, how about this? How about this? He puts in parentheses.
Starting point is 00:50:40 And for Dave, I can keep them as long as I want. He's keeping Lamar Jackson, Najee Harris. Are there 10 keepers in the Dynasty League? I mean, come on. Basically. Lamar Jackson, Najee Harris, DeAndre Swift, Travis Etienne, CeeDee Lamb, A.J. Brown, and Jamar Chase.
Starting point is 00:50:56 My God, that's awesome. I need help on the last three, so pick three out of this group. Rashad Penny, Rashad Bateman, Elijah Moore, last three so pick three out of this group rashad penny rashad baitman elijah moore pat friarmuth amonra saint brown chase claypool to a tongue of iloa not super flex no baitman is by far the easiest one there i think i'd do the three receivers i think i'd do baitman more and saint brown i would agree you, it's just a matter of, I mean, because you keep them forever, it's hard to overlook that.
Starting point is 00:51:30 But if you're just looking for who has maybe the best one-year situation, Penny might be better than Morris St. Brown just because if he is the guy for Seattle. But it's so hard to envision that. So I would agree with you. I'd keep the three receivers. Here's Cody in Syracuse. He's in a 12-team PPR Superflex Dynasty League.
Starting point is 00:51:45 Dear Jax, Opie, Tig, and Bobby. I know that one. Sons of anarchy. I have been a DJ Moore truther this whole time. I'm rebuilding my Dynasty team. I have decent wide receivers to build around. I was just offered... Well, I don't know if he does.
Starting point is 00:52:02 He has DJ Moore, Terry McLaurin, and Jerry Judy. It could swing wildly one way or the other, but it's solid. He was just offered a 23 first round pick and a 23 third round pick for DJ Moore. That would give me three first round picks next year. Should he take the first and third round picks for DJ Moore? He says he's rebuilding. I would probably not
Starting point is 00:52:27 because I'm going to assume that somebody who's offering you their 23 first for DJ Moore is going to be good this year. And I don't think I would trade DJ Moore for pick nine through 12 in the draft next year. But it is a super flex league, right?
Starting point is 00:52:40 You said that? Yeah, I would do it. That helps. So with the quarterbacks going, most likely probably two in the first round of a rookie draft like you said 12 teams yeah but it's for 2023 you might have five quarterbacks in the first round next year well i mean you got to think though in terms of fantasy yes it could be five because it's that it could be that great of a quarterback right so
Starting point is 00:52:59 all right let's split the difference say it's three yeah um so three three quarterbacks that'll push down some of the wide receiver and running back talent. So it's not as bad as it would be if it's just a one quarterback league where they may not even go in the first round.
Starting point is 00:53:11 So the one thing that makes me a little bit hesitant about saying yes now is that if Baker Mayfield goes to Carolina, that is going to push the perception of DJ Moore's fantasy value up.
Starting point is 00:53:22 And so while one manager may be offering you a first and a third, somebody else who's also a one manager may be offering you a first and a third, somebody else who's also a contender may be offering you a first and a second. So you might want to just wait a little bit and then make it a public, on the block type thing of DJ Moore's available. And so tell the manager, hey, if I don't get a better offer, I'll take this. If you're inclined to make the move,
Starting point is 00:53:44 otherwise you can see if somebody else gives you a better deal. And full disclosure, I've got DJ Moore, I think, ninth in my Dynasty wide receiver ranking, so I'm probably higher on him than consensus. And I think for a 25-year-old wide receiver, he should still be really good when your team's good again. So that's not somebody I feel like I have to move in a rebuild. Yeah, I would agree with that, if it's just a first and a third.
Starting point is 00:54:09 Right. But if you can upgrade that capital or first and maybe a player and a third, if that's possible. Yeah. Yeah, I like the idea of having three first-round picks. You can basically do whatever you want with that. You might even find a DJ Moore. Right, but two first-round picks.
Starting point is 00:54:26 DJ Moore versus two first-round picks and the 12th selection. The 12th would be bad, I suppose, yeah. Okay. How about Dynasty pick 1.4 in a super flex? And is it too early for Kenny Pickett? He has Rodgers, Fields, and Wentz. I would say so. Yeah, as high as I am on DJ Moore,
Starting point is 00:54:57 I might be that low on all the quarterbacks in this class. So I would not do that, no. I've done one rookie super flex draft already, and Pickett went seventh. I think that's probably an appropriate range for him. Might be even a little too soon. I think if you're really so inclined to draft Kenny Pickett there, maybe see if you trade down.
Starting point is 00:55:15 Yeah. Alex from a suburb of Philly without a distinct accent. This is Lansdale, according to Alex. He wants to know if we can grade this trade. He gives up a 2023 second round pick, a 2024 first round pick, a 2025 first round pick. Trey Sermon and Devin Duvernay.
Starting point is 00:55:43 He gets Derek Henry and Mike Evans. That puts my team talent-wise over the top for this season. I'm fully aware I have to win this year or next. So would you give up Trey Sermon, Devin Duvernay, a 2023 second, a 2024 first, a 2025 first for Derek Henry and Mike Evans? If you're really trying to win now, then yes. Yeah, I think you lose the deal, but flags fly forever.
Starting point is 00:56:11 There you go. So go win. You're going to feel really bad about it if you don't win the league this year. That wasn't so bad. You guys did great. Have you done trades like that recently where you just feel awful about it trying to win?
Starting point is 00:56:23 I won last year in our dynasty league. Which one was it? Well, I needed running back help because I was in McCaffrey hell. And like my second running back was Darrell Williams. And I think my first running back was Darrell Williams and Mike Davis. Like my receivers are great in that league, but everything else was just terrible. But I was competing.
Starting point is 00:56:44 And so I traded a first round pick for James Robinson. great in that league but everything else was just terrible um but i was i was competing and um so i traded a first round pick for james robinson expecting to be expecting to be you know it's 14 team league expecting to be somewhere in the 12 13 14 range and i think it was like a week later he bloods killies yeah i made two in the same league two years ago. And this is the league where you can trade all the way through the playoffs. And so two years ago, it was like week 16, I traded Michael Thomas away for Cooper Cup and just hated it. And then Cooper Cup turned into a super-duper star, and Michael Thomas never played football again, so it worked out okay.
Starting point is 00:57:19 But then last year, I traded. It was a package that included sending DK away for digs, and it didn't work out again, and now I'm rebuilding. So, yeah. I just think that if you say next Monday, that means two Mondays from now. Anyway. So if I say, you know what?
Starting point is 00:57:42 Bold prediction. Clyde Edwards-Alaire and Ronald Jones are both going to be top 24 running backs next season. I'm talking about 2023. Yeah. You can't say next season anymore. It's this season. If you want to talk about 2022,
Starting point is 00:57:55 right? Oh, that's how it works. Yeah. You can't know who says next season in June. We're talking about this season. Anytime a player in a press conference says we we'll get them next game, they're obviously talking about the game after the month's coming up.
Starting point is 00:58:08 No, because you've got a full week. Robinson said, the shooting guard for the Heat, after they just lost in the conference finals, I'm more motivated than ever before. How would that make you feel? You weren't motivated yesterday?
Starting point is 00:58:24 Yeah, I was like, hey, who could have used some of that motivation? I'm not saying that for him. You hear that a lot from athletes, like the minute their season ends. I'm going to be more motivated than ever before. Well, what the hell just happened last week? That series is a great example because after that series, Tyler Hero also said that he fully expects to start next season. And there was some hubbub about, like,
Starting point is 00:58:44 do the Heat have room to start him in 2022 season? But he was obviously talking about the 2023 season. So it can figure it out. The current season is still happening, Heath. So when Tyler Heros is... That's a little weird because it's, you know, the league bridges the year. You don't really believe what you're saying right now.
Starting point is 00:59:01 Obviously, the current week was still happening when you got that email. He was talking about the next week. The current Monday had already passed. I want it last Monday. You're so wrong. No, I'm not. You know what? This is one of those Twitter polls. I don't know if you do a lot of weird Twitter polls. I don't know if you get this a lot, but the comments, the people who are in the minority here are the 11 Days from Thursday group, which is my group. But the comments, the people who are in the minority here are the 11 days from Thursday group, which is my group. But the comments,
Starting point is 00:59:27 the people who are really passionate about this are also the 11 days from Thursday group. So if you, from Thursday. So if you had just read the comments, you would think that I'm right. But if you see the votes, I guess I'm wrong.
Starting point is 00:59:38 Or everybody else is wrong. You know, most people are wrong, I guess. I'm right. Heath, I saw this this morning. Do you know what the Celtics record is
Starting point is 00:59:44 since sweeping the N uh 500 10 and 9 i was gonna say they they had not i think before last night they had not lost two games in a row the entire postseason and they'd only won two in a row maybe once since that then yeah it's um they've played great teams they've they've played've played great teams. They've played some really great teams, and I'm just really proud of them. I was really happy for Andrew Wiggins. That guy took a lot of heat for a long time early in his career,
Starting point is 01:00:15 and he's having some moments. If he has another double-double and Steph struggles, who's the MVP if they win? Oh, I'd give it to Wiggins just because it'd be so much fun to hear all the haters talking about how Steph's never won a finals MVP.
Starting point is 01:00:28 Steph Curry in game five, was it? Yeah. What was it? No, four. Last night was game five. Sorry. My God, that was incredible. Corey was insane.
Starting point is 01:00:36 Yesterday he was a disaster. Yeah, game four, he was unbelievable. Well, and the Celtics changed the defense up a little bit last night. They did. They had played drop, drop, drop, and they stopped dropping quite so much because they were trying to avoid
Starting point is 01:00:47 letting the Warriors kill them with passing. And they did last night. Do you think that... He didn't look right to me last night, Curry. He didn't look like he had his bounce. He just... I don't know. Maybe he's hurt.
Starting point is 01:01:00 And maybe he was able to gut through it. Everybody's hurt. He's really hurt. I don't know. I don't know that. Maybe he he's really hurt he had a pretty bad injury two games ago well i think that's it i think that's it for today's show all right how many uh stranger things episodes do you guys have left uh none yet i i i really want to talk to you about that now. You finished it? Yes. You both finished it?
Starting point is 01:01:27 I haven't started. Oh, you haven't started. Oh. I don't know how many. We did this thing. I don't know how many episodes there are, and I don't want to know. I want to be surprised by the, oh, this is the finale? No.
Starting point is 01:01:40 Not a kid's show anymore. Do you want, like, how much do you want to be surprised? Because there's something you should know. Nothing. No, I don't want to know anything. you want to be surprised because there's something you should nothing no i don't want to know why oh i know there's another i know okay yeah yeah i just found that out yes i don't want you to get to the end and think that was the finale because it's like ozark right yeah there's uh an hour and a half long show and then a two and a half hour long show. Oh, my God. Really? On July 1st. Oh, I thought you meant in this current.
Starting point is 01:02:10 No, on July 1st. Okay, okay. Yeah, I knew there were more. There's more episodes upcoming. All right. Thanks, everybody. We'll talk to you later on Fantasy Football Today.

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