Fantasy Football Today - Sleepers! Khalil Shakir, Romeo Doubs, Ty Chandler and More (08/13 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: August 13, 2024

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I had no idea. It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Off to the races, and he stays on his feet. He's just going to go the distance. Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. Yeah, what's up, baby? It is Sleepers, Breakouts, and Busts week here on Fantasy Football Today, presented by BetMGM.

Adam Azer and Dave Richard are going to have Jamie Eisenberg joining us. Momentarily, I would say. Last night was a big night for our St. Jude fundraiser, by the way. I want to thank a lot. We raised a ton of money and we still have some spots

left in the FFT Open. I'll tell you about that in a minute. Dave, I always say that the difference between sleepers and breakouts is sleepers win you weeks, breakouts win you leagues.

TM, do you agree with that? It needs to be on a shirt. It does need to be on a shirt, right? Yeah. Yeah. We should make you that shirt, size extra small. And definitely, I get the sense of that and why that makes sense. Because a sleeper is someone that you'll draft,

and hopefully you get off to a good start with them, or they break out by week three, hopefully before you cut them. They show you something that encourages you to keep them on your team. It could also, though, Adam, be a player who you know is going to play every week. He's just going late in drafts and he can outperform that ADP really, really quickly. There's going to be a couple of players that we can talk about that might be able to do that. I like sleepers. I always love trying to find these diamonds in the rough. Um, the Jalen Warren's of the world, especially players

that the majority of fantasy folks haven't heard of. I love the guys that come out of nowhere. Like if we had sat here last year and bang the drum for Puka Nakua, everyone would have been like, Ooh, is that even a real person? We did on anyone out in the league, like had the best rookie year ever. So that's what we're looking for. that's a sleeper by the way adam that can win you your league yeah i don't know if he's a sleeper anymore who can kill it by the way we're also going to talk about uh jameer gibbs and his hamstring injury and jamie is here uh so we'll get to our two favorite sleepers jamie would you like to start with your two favorite sleepers for 2024? Yes, sir. One would be, I was going to say Rico Dowdle, but he's now a breakout candidate, so he doesn't qualify anymore. I'm going to go

Khalil Shakir and Ty Chandler. So I have a segment later called Name That Sleeper, where I'm going to give you guys some clues about some of your sleepers and see if you can get them. I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to delete Rico Dowdle from Name That Sleeper. But here's what I was going to say about Rico Dowdle. I am intrigued by fourth season. My longest run in my entire career is 21 yards. I have never had more than 133 carries in a season in college. And I might be the starting running back for the highest scoring offense in 2023. So it's fine.

I like Rico Dowdle too. But everything I put there Dowdle too, but everything I put there was pretty negative, basically, at least the workload. Just how good do you think Rico Dowdle could be, Jamie? I'll tell you on the breakout show. Okay, fair enough. Fair enough. Well, I guess that, like, right. So is he more of a sleeper or a breakout? Do you have to be a certain level of productive enough? Do you think he can hit that breakout standard, Rico Dowdle? Yes.

I mean, I think, first off, as we're getting more drafts happening and more people are taking him in an appropriate range, as opposed to where he started in the 130s, and now he's creeping into the 90s, it's hard to justify calling him a sleeper anymore. So, um, I think when you, when you, everybody has different levels, different definitions of these two terms, sleepers and breakouts, you know, and, and, you know, I, I, I took a glimpse at your notes for the first time ever and, um, saw you had, uh, some phrase for your sleepers,

the high end sleepers or something like that. Oh, yeah, my high-end sleepers. I just wanted to talk about a couple of higher-end players today. We can get to it in a second. I'm just saying people have different ways to define these categories, and it's obviously subjective. I just think for Dabble at this point, he's going to end up in a range where calling him a sleeper

is not appropriate for somebody he's going to end up in a range where calling him a sleeper is not appropriate you know for somebody that's going and you know probably gonna end up going in like round eight or nine all right fair enough uh so khalil shakir and ty chandler are sleepers for you and i think sleepers for you as well dave right he is um shakir and chandler uh chandler wasn't shakir was but But I mean, Chandler still is very interesting despite the so-so first preseason game. It's more based on what he did last year and the fact that he came around late in the season. And when he had a big time workload for the Vikings, he had some good games. And so if he's going to play with the first team offense, and it sounds like there's going to

be some sort of split between him and Aaron Jones. We know that Aaron Jones does have a hard time staying healthy as well. Chandler's absolutely worth drafting with a late pick and just seeing what happens. And hopefully you stay patient with him for a long time. We know that also Minnesota in the past has not been very friendly to running backs. I don't know if they've got a choice this year, guys. I think that they might have to lean on their run game a little bit more than they have previously. Yeah, and this is one of Jamie's sleepers and Ty Chandler. One thing I want to point out about Chandler, Jamie, is that if you're into the handcuff game or the backup game, first of all, he's a guy who's going to play a little bit. He's not just a true handcuff, but he's also going about two rounds later than Trey Benson and Blake Corum, and he's going a round

later than Zach Charbonnet. So if you miss out on those guys, and what am I looking at right now? By the way, I'm looking at NFC average draft position just over the last week. That's 56 drafts that have been done. Seems like Chandler has always been in this range. They're just going later than all these other handcuffs, and he's one that might have a bigger role than pretty much all of them or, or many of them, right.

Just to, right from the start. Yeah. You can certainly debate him and, and Charbonnet, you know, if, if you're of the belief that Ken Walker is not going to take a step

forward in this offense because of his role in the passing game. And I get that. I still think that Walker is going to have a big year and I like Chandler better than Charbonnet. I like Chandler better than the rookies as well. Especially given the fact of how Trey Benson looked in his preseason debut. Not that that should be the end all be all, but I still think that Chandler's situation is a little bit safer right now.

And maybe just as much upside because you're talking about two guys playing behind injury prone running backs that are entering, you know, ages where you have to be a little bit concerned. So for, for Chandler, you know, we, we saw last year, he stepped up when Alexander Madison got hurt and then struggled or vice versa, you know, we saw last year he stepped up when alexander madison got hurt and then struggled or vice versa um you know because they kind of went hand in hand and the camp makers experiment failed so i i think there's a trust in the coaching staff um we've heard different reports you know uh i think you referenced dan graziano's report yesterday about how jones looks

like he's going to be um I don't want to miss. Actually, if I could talk about this for a second, the report was they wanted to get him 15 to 18 touches, which doesn't really sound that unrealistic if there's three to four catches. Right. And then there's still plenty of carries for Chandler. But also I went back. I just searched my my computer for Dan Graziano to see some of his reports from 2023. And he actually, he actually had a couple of pretty good ones. Um, Oh, he's great. Yeah. So he, like one of them was

about Tony Pollard. He was, he was a little off on it. It was obviously what he was taught, what he was told that Cowboys camp, they were high on like Malik Davis and, and, um, Deuce Vaughn, or is that, am I getting the name right sorry no those are their names yeah um and then there was one other that he kind of nailed so it you know uh but i still think like 15 18 what if it's 15 touches rare joe it's still plenty for chandler i would think right to be something but all right anyway i'm rambling sorry no but you know that that report and then there was the yahoo report of you know, essentially indicating that it could be a 50-50 split. And so, again, I look at Jones' situation joining a new team after a year

where he was injured last year and struggled with the hamstring problems early in the season. We all remember how he finished the year with five straight games of 100 yards rushing or more. I hope to see that running back. Obviously, everybody's drafting him to be a potential starter, and some people have him ranked still as a potential starter. For me, I'm going to pass on Jones, and I'm just going to target Ty Chandler with the hope that he's the best Vikings running back over the course of the season. Doesn't have as much upside as

Jones if he hits, but certainly can be one of those guys that you plug and play if you go hero RB, zero RB, can end up being a potential starter for you. I read a recap in The Athletic from Joe Biscaglia, who covers the Bills, about the usage of the wide receivers. He talked about how Keon Coleman was out there a lot, but all of the other players who play the X spot for them in their offense for the Bills were unavailable. Chase Claypool, Justin Shorter, Mack Hollins. Now Claypool's on ir as of this morning

um but it was kind of pouring a little bit of cold water on keon coleman snap snap share uh with the first teamers but also another thing you pointed out was khalil shakir barely played which he took as a good sign you know almost like like a deandre swift kind of thing like this guy's the guy and you know what he can do, right? We don't need him on the field that much. So Shakir being one of Jamie's favorite sleepers, Dave, you like him as well. I do. But if we're going to say that about Shakir, we should probably say that about Curtis Samuel. They both played the same amount of snaps with Josh Allen, four of eight. Whereas Keon Coleman, it makes sense that he's out there for all eight of Josh Allen snaps. So he gets used to things. But then what does that mean for Dalton Kincaid? He played seven of eight snaps. Does that mean that Kincaid's not ready? So I'm not sure how

we take all that, but it's fine. They know what Shakir can do and what he is, is a reliable route runner in the short to intermediate range. And he's capable of picking up yards after the catch. I wouldn't say that he's this, you know, freakish talent. I just think that he's like a solid receiver who can line up in the slot or out wide, probably won't have a lot of downfield routes. I'd be surprised if he had a lot of big plays, but could still get in the neighborhood of six to seven targets per game and a really good bench receiver who could become a number three receiver if things break right for him over the course of the year. All right. Let's get Dave's two favorite sleepers in a moment.

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When we come back, Dave's two favorite sleepers, my two high-end sleepers, and a rankings riser in the preseason. And then we've got to get into Jameer Gibbs. It's obviously a huge storyline as he has a hamstring injury. And then we've got like 20 more sleepers to throw at you. So, you know, wake up. We'll be right back on FFT. We're back on Fantasy Football.

You know what I really love, guys? I love the feature on your phone where you can tap the button and read the transcript of the voicemail that's being left for you. You guys ever do that? Like in real time? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like my, I just got a phone call from a number I didn't know. I hit it and I said, they're leaving a message. Tap this button. You can read it. And my doctor's appointment is being rescheduled. And I saw it happening while they were leaving the message. You've never done that? It's very, very cool. Well, I've seen it, but the only calls that I'm getting

are from like my, that I'm not answering anyway, are from like my kids' high school where they give like announcements. I don't know how it is for you, Jamie. You answer every other call? What? You answer every other call? From other people?

Like from people who I know? Yes, I'm going to answer those calls. I never answer the calls from people. Jamie, you don't answer? Like you answer those calls. I never answer the calls from this phone. What's up with that, Jamie? You don't answer? You just ghost me? I never answer the phone. What's the point of having a phone if you're never going to answer it? Oh.

I call people back or text. And you know what's going to happen if I don't answer my wife's call, Jamie? I do not. You should try calling Thomas Schaefer. One of my New Year's resolutions is to find a way to get Schaefer to answer my calls. This guy, every time I call, he sends me a voicemail. It is really difficult.

Oh, I think I've called Thomas once and he answered. That's messed up. All right. I've talked to Thomas on the phone before too. It happens. No, he calls me back, but it's like I never get him on the first try. Dave, who are your two favorite sleepers?

For Jamie, it was Khalil Shakir and Ty Chandler. Let's start with Chuba Hubbard in Carolina, who's still going after around 10 in CBS ADP. We don't know when Jonathan Brooks is going to be back. It doesn't sound like weeks one or two are realistic for him. And so let's turn to the running back who averaged 12 and a half PPR points per game in his last 12 games of 2023. And that was when the Panthers offense was miserable. I think they've taken steps on the offensive line, obviously in play caller to be a better team this year, not saying that they're going to start winning games because of Chuba Hubbard, but I think Chuba

is going to be given a better chance to see a regular workload early on in the season. And this is a running back that you might be able to start as a low end RB two to begin the year. And then what happens if Jonathan Brooks isn't ready by week three or week four, or he comes back and he's not quite the same guy that we saw at Texas. And maybe it takes till the second half of the year for Brooks to really get past the ACL rehab. What if it never happens? What if he suffers another injury along the way? This is the contingency upside that we talk about with everybody. And some of those people, it's kind of unrealistic.

This is one where it's sort of realistic because Brooks is a rookie. The Panthers don't have to rush him back onto the field. They want to take their time with him. They've got a solid back already in Chuba Hubbard. And I'm not saying that Chuba Hubbard is going to go and win you your fantasy league. But for around 10, he's absolutely worth taking just to see what you've got early on. And heaven forbid, if you draft Jameer Gibbs in two analyst drafts, 14 team leagues, and you're desperate for a running back to replace him, Chuba makes sense to at least get you

by for the early part of the year. If Gibbs is out for the early part of the year, Chuba, one of my favorite sleepers in 2024. All right, quick follow-up. Have you heard anything about what role Miles Sanders might play? I haven't heard anything about Miles Sanders, and that just makes me feel better about Chuba. All right. Give me your second favorite sleeper. I'm encouraged by what I saw from the Titans scheme, and I know that it's vanilla and they're not showing everything, but what they did against the 49ers. And that makes me feel better about taking a late round

flyer on Will Levis, whether I need a second quarterback or not, he's, he's going to throw the ball plenty. We already know from last year that on throws of 15 or fewer air yards, he had the lowest, he had the lowest off target rate of any quarterback in the games that he started. That was incredible. It's the deeper throws that make me worried about Levis, but I don't know how many of those he's going to have. And I think this offense, and really, honestly, I was encouraged by the offensive line. There were a couple of plays where things were a little wonky, but for the most part, I thought that offensive line was much better for Tennessee, both running the ball and protecting Levis. And then we also saw a glimpse at the goal line, one yard to Tennessee, both running the ball and protecting Levis.

And then we also saw a glimpse at the goal line, one yard to go Levis with the plunge. That'll probably happen during the year. I don't know if it's going to happen as many times as it happened to Jalen hurts, but can we pencil in three rushing touchdowns for rushing touchdowns on top of maybe 25, 26 passing touchdowns for Will Levis over the course of the season. I think he's worth taking a flyer on if he doesn't pan out early on. That's one that you can easily cut and replace with somebody off the waiver wire after the first two or three weeks. All right. I will remind everybody last year, Anthony Richardson was QB 14 in ADP.

Jared Goff was QB 17. Brock Purdy was QB 20 in ADP. Jordan Love was QB 24 in ADP. Jared Goff was QB 17. Brock Purdy was QB 20 in ADP. Jordan Love was QB 24 in ADP. Will Levis last year, yeah, he's going to throw the ball deep less this season. It's all he did last year. He led all qualified candidates in air yards per pass attempt.

And when you just look at his, I gave this stat, I think, on the QB preview. He averaged 16.5 air yards per pass attempt to wide receivers. 16.5 air yards per pass attempt to wide receivers. 16.5 air yards per pass attempt on average in throws to wide receivers. That is the highest since at least 2006 when True Media started tracking that stat. So the offense is going to change to benefit Will Levis. All right.

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because, you know, sleepers can be a lot of guys that maybe if you're in a 10 team league, they don't even get drafted. I just want to give a couple of high end sleepers. The definition for me is I think people are sleeping on them. And I have Alvin Kamara and Tee Higgins. Yeah, there are a lot of concerning signs for Alvin Kamara. He hasn't been a very good running back for three straight years just in terms of his rushing ability. He loses goal line work to Taysom Hill, although he did have more carries inside the five-yard line than Taysom Hill did last year. But he does lose some.

Doesn't score a ton of rushing touchdowns. But he is the clear-cut guy there. He's going to catch a ton of passes. Scheme change, I'm hoping will be good for him. Sometimes that's bad for running back. Look at Damian Pierce last year. Same scheme, right, that they changed into was bad for him. I hope it's good for Kamara, but I don't see the difference between him and Rashad White. It's only age. Talking about inefficient running backs who catch a ton of passes, and I don't see anybody taking Kamara's job. camara in round four 40th overall on fantasy pros he was a top five top five running back per game last year tied with in full ppr in full ppr there's a big drop off from full ppr to non-ppr so i think it's

important that we just make that clear that he's not nearly as good if the catches don't count 16th per game last year in non-PPR, eighth per game in half PPR, fourth per game in full PPR. The other one is T Higgins. He's a mid to late round five pick. He's wide receiver 27 in fantasy pros, PPR ADP.

I'm throwing out last year. I look at 2021. He was a top 15 wide receiver per game in both non and full PPR. I look at 2022. If you remove the three games that he left super early with injuries, he basically put up the same stat line as he did in 2021. We saw he's an absolute beast when Jamar Chase is not there. And right now Jamar Chase is fantastic right now.

Yeah. I don't get it. Round five. It's I think it's my favorite value in drafts is Higgins around. Yeah. I went, you know, it's funny. You asked me on Sports Network last week, my most rostered players. And I went back through and I looked at like seven or eight of my best ball drafts so far.

And I think he's on all of them. All right, good. I'm not alone then, huh? T Higgins. The last like three drafts I've done, I end up just stacking Burrow and Higgins. Not everyone in that range has injury upside. Amari Cooper and Tee Higgins basically go back to back. What injury is going to put Amari Cooper in the top 10 discussion?

I don't think it exists. Deshaun Watson getting hurt in the better quarterback. Joe Flacco going back to Cleveland. I liken it to the conversation we had about you know davante smith i think they're very similar you know it's it's um you know the the the lead guy the number one guy goes down and when you have a 1a essentially it's it's hard to overlook what the upside can be there because they're going to be very good on their own but they could be amazing absolutely amazing if the other guy goes down.

Yeah. And in his case, Chase is dealing with a hold in. Right. Yeah. But he goes like a round and a half after Devante Smith. So, okay. Anyway, let's move on. Did you know 66% of utility damage is caused by not requesting a locate?

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Biggest ranking riser after preseason week one. It's not a big move up the rankings, but I'm more encouraged to draft Javante Williams. He's one of three running backs that are kind of in that range of round six and seven, where you see the running back and you go, Oh, do I really want him on my team? And the answer is still, no, you don't really, really want him, but he's going to be serviceable. Javante is one of them. Brian Robinson's one of them. Najee Harris is one of them. And I would actually take them in the reverse order of how I just named them. But in the case of Javante, the first preseason game against Indy, he passed the eyeball test and he was clearly the lead back for them,

came off the field when the backup started to come in for Denver. And Sean Payton said after the game, he's done everything that they've asked him to do and he's had a very good camp. So I think that the trajectory is good for Javante Williams to probably see a little bit more work than he saw last year. Yes, he will still share. It'll be with Jaleel McLaughlin, but he will still be somebody who can catch the ball of the backfield. We love those running backs in Sean Payton's offense. I think he'll do that. And he's best suited to work the goal line for Denver as well. So Javante Williams, you don't have to be as reluctant to take him as one of your RB twos or probably better off as your RB three. We have a lot more sleepers

to get to, and we will do that shortly, but we have to get to the big news here. And Jameer Gibbs has a hamstring injury. We'll also update you on Malik neighbors, Marquise Brown, Deshaun Watson, Jalen Polk, not injured, but a report about him, a good one, uh, Marshawn Lloyd, but let's talk about Jameer Gibbs. I was did a draft last night. It was an untimed draft. And as I was on the clock, I learned about the Jameer Gibbs injury, which was nice. Gave me a little flexibility. But he fell. He fell in the draft. I took him 19th overall. Jamie, where would you take Jameer Gibbs if you were drafting today with a hamstring injury? And it seems like he's having some recurring issues here with his legs. Second hamstring injury of the offseason.

I have not adjusted my rankings yet for him because I wanted to see what Dan Campbell says today and get anything from the Lions beforehand. Hopefully get a timetable on this. But if he's going to miss multiple weeks of practice, then he'll fall a few spots, similar to what happened with Puka. I still think round two is the spot for him right now, if you're drafting today, just because of the concern, because he was a borderline first round pick to begin with.

So I just haven't made the decision that if I'm going to drop him behind Barkley and Taylor, I don't know if I'll drop him behind Kyron, but that will be the next running back to go. But mid round two, I think is the farthest he'll go. So 19 is probably about the floor. I have, I've moved him behind Taylor and Barkley. I'll move them right back up. If Dan Campbell comes out today and says, oh yeah, no big deal. He'll be back at practice next week. And fingers crossed on that. But my guess is that they're going to give him the same type of treatment that the 49ers are giving Christian McCaffrey, which is bubble wrap for a couple of weeks, back at practice for a week, and then they'll take it from there.

Hopefully it'll be good news from Detroit today. And Jameer Gibbs could end up being someone that we're buying on a dip. 19th overall in the draft, Adam, that sounds like a dip worth buying for Jameer Gibbs as of now. Yeah, he went after Travis Etienne, but I think when it started,

it was just he had a leg injury. So when I saw it was hamstring, I was thinking, thinking okay it's not a knee it's not a season-ending thing uh so i'll take a shot on him 14 team best ball league you got to be a little bit bold there travis etn went ahead of him though so i think people got a little spooked um okay the fact that you had two running backs like that going the first 19 yeah what do you mean that's that's surprising in best ball um it's a flex yeah yeah the flex league 14 team best ball um yeah and i took gibbs ahead of marvin harris and that

was the other guy i was considering so anyway with gibbs now he missed two games last year his second hamstring injury of the offseason what does this mean for david montgomery are you guys gonna move him up? You can't move one down and not move the other one up. So if you're concerned about one, you've got to be excited about the other. So I think he now creeps into the late teens if Gibbs is going to miss any time. He was already like RB21 for me. So 19 or so ahead of Zemir White.

I've kind of gone back and forth with those guys a lot anyway. Still behind Ramondre for me. So, you know, 19 or so ahead of Zamir White. I've kind of gone back and forth with those guys a lot anyway. Still behind Ramondre for me. So right around a couple spots. Not there yet. I still have him behind Zamir, behind Connor, and ahead of Ramondre Stevenson. I'm not a big Ramondre guy, but I do think he's worth a round five pick. And I'm a little bit more emboldened to take him on the hope that I get something more than expected. Maybe the first couple of weeks of the season, if there's an easing of Jameer Gibbs back, look, it's really hard to like make concrete decisions on the Lions running backs without knowing what's going on with the Lions running back.

So hopefully some direction from the Lions coaching staff will help us out. All right. Also Detroit rookie cornerbacks, Ennisnis Rakestraw and Terry Ann Arnold left their practice yesterday with injuries. So these are their first two first and second round draft picks, I believe. And you wonder if Detroit after what happened from the receiver Netflix series is more transparent with Gibbs. I didn't see it.

I don't know what you're referring to. Well, yeah. St. Brown played through a ton of injuries and I didn't see it. I don't know what you're referring to. Well, yeah, St. Brown played through a ton of injuries, and they didn't say anything. Well, it was one injury. St. Brown apparently said he tore his oblique off of his, or something with his oblique, something bad, and he missed the game, but they didn't say why. Oh, interesting.

Malik Neighbors is seemingly fine, so I don't know if he's officially. As of now, he hadn't been ruled out for Saturday's preseason game. But whether he plays or not, I'm not expecting him to play. But he's got a low ankle sprain. Malik Neighbors, we can breathe a sigh of relief. It does suck that if Jones is going to play and Neighbors doesn't. Yeah, it does.

Mark, people are going gonna judge every single step and snap of daniel joe he's been pretty horrible it seems in training camp uh marquis brown does not need shoulder surgery and andy reed did not rule him out for week one deshaun watson is expected to play in pre-season week three not this week but the next week baltimore safety kyle hamilton arguably the best safety in the game. He has a minor knee sprain. Buffalo wide receiver Chase Claypool is on IR, as I mentioned. Patriots supporter Phil Perry said that Jalen Polk has been the most consistent Patriots pass catcher.

That's a lot. Phil Perry, Polk, Patriots pass catcher. That is a lot of Ps. And Polk is on Jamie's sleepers list, I believe. So we'll talk about it. Gotten a lot of Ps. And Polk is on Jamie's sleepers list, I believe. So we'll talk about it. Gotten a lot of good press this offseason. I guess I shouldn't really say offseason anymore. Chargers running back Jarrett Patterson looks like the number three running back,

according to Daniel Popper of The Athletic. J.J. McCarthy has a seemingly minor injury for the Vikings. Marshawn Lloyd should be ready for week one. Packers rookie running back, according to Jordan Schultz. And you got this Jets situation here. They acquired Hassan Reddick months ago from the Eagles. It seemed like the contract situation seemed like everybody thought things would get worked out. Well, it hasn't.

He's now requesting a trade. The Jets are saying, we are not trading you. Hassan Reddick, by the way, one of the best pass rushers in the NFL. He's been with the Eagles for the last few years. He's being fined $50,000 a day, and it's an ugly situation there. According to ESPN's Jeremy Fowler, teams have inquired

about acquiring Patriots pass rusher Matthew Judon, who wants a new contract. Tough break for the Bengals. Rookie right tackle Amarius Mims, who's had a very good training camp. He has a strained peck. He could miss week one. And Dolphins edge rusher Jalen Phillips

is off the pup list. Okay. That's going to be a good pass rush, by the way, what they've got in Miami. I don't know if I agree because I don't know what to expect from Phillips and Chubb. Chubb's going to be a while before he's back.

Phillips could be back by week one. And then when I went to training camp, I saw him working out on the side. Chubb Robinson was an absolute beast the first day against Atlanta. So even if Chubb's not back until November, they've got a good combo with Phillips, who's clearly going to be back sooner than later. And Robinson's been better than expected.

But Phillips is coming off an Achilles injury. So I know that he's back. It doesn't mean he's back, you know. And Jalen Phillips is a great player. That might be fair to say. But he'll be out there, and I think he can still make some plays. Well, he's a great player. Jamie has dropped off for a moment.

So I think I'm going to have to hold off on name that sleeper. I can play against the audience. You could play against the audience. I guess we could see. I'll wait for... No, you know what? Let's play against the audience. Okay, audience on YouTube,

you ready for name that sleeper? I am in my fifth NFL season. I have been a top 15 running back in two of my first four seasons. Hmm. I am on a new team this season moving from the East in one conference

to the East in the other conference. Hmm. I had a career high 48 catches in 2023, but a career low 65 carries in 2023. It's not barkley it's 65 carries did you say oh we got a winner james young says it's antonio gibson and he's right and my next

clue by the way my fake relatives include an actor named mel and a singer named debbie but good job, James. You got it. Antonio Gibson is one of Jamie's sleepers. I think he's saying that he has big potential if Ramondre Stevenson gets hurt. He's the backup there. That's the only way. Do you draft Antonio Gibson?

No, I do not. I'm worried about what kind of a role he could have with Stevenson healthy. And in offense, it's really not going to put up a lot of numbers to begin with. I'm kind of, I'm bearish on almost all Patriots players. You know, I can make the late round case for Hunter Henry and Jalen Polk is interesting, but I don't want to start them. And I don't know if there are anything better than just roster depth for fantasy purposes. All right. And Gibson, Gibson has flirted with fantasy managers for years of being something good,

and he's fumbled it away. Pun intended. Okay, ready? One more round of Name That Sleeper. The audience leads 1-0. I scored 18 or more PPR fantasy points in three of my first four games last season. But I had more than six targets.

This is a sleeper? Somebody who scored 18 plus PPR in three of four games last season? Three of his first four. Three of his first four. Well, three of my first four. But I had more than six targets in only one of my last 12 games,

including the postseason. I led my team in red zone and green zone targets in 2023. For a while, nobody really knew how to pronounce my last name. Oh. Wherefore art thou? Oh, yeah, I know. Romeo Dobbs.

Yes. Good job, buddy. Romeo Dobbs. Of course, it took the wherefore art thou for me to to get there this is a good sleeper I like this call but this is yours too it's a mutual yeah um you know Matt LaFleur came out this week and said that he hates the term number one receiver uh he doesn't want to put that label on any of his guys and I don't blame him for it because he's got four really good receivers, none of whom might be good enough to be like the de facto 10 target per game type of guy,

but all of whom could be six targets per game. And it just enhances the value of Jordan Love that much more. And remember, last year, these receivers were in and out of the lineup, and Jordan Love made it work, whether it was Wicks as his top guy, Reed, Dobbs, whatever. But Dobbs is a good route runner. He's got good quickness in and out of his breaks. That's something that I think will help. And I think he could stay on the field, which is an issue that we have with Christian Watson. He's not their most talented receiver. And I don't mean to slight him because he is really, really good. But Watson, big play guy, very high touchdown rate.

Reed, the most versatile receiver that they have. He can line up anywhere. Dobbs can probably line up everywhere too. I think he's good though. And to get him way later, that's a discount that I think fantasy managers should be all over. Maybe one of the best late round wide receiver targets you could ask for. I don't know. I just don't,

I just don't really see how without an injury, he's going to be consistent. You're ever going to know when to start him. And he is like probably the least explosive of, of all of them. And here's the problem. Like I, you know,

he's going to play Adam. I know. But so did Gabe Davis and so did MVS. But when, but when push comes to shove, when Christian Watson was healthy last year, Romeo Dobbs never cracked more than seven targets. He was he was like I said, six or six or fewer targets in one of in 11 of his last 12 games, including the postseason.

This is a popular pick. I'm going to push back on a little bit unless you can get him super late. Here's the problem, right? Like I'm looking at NFC over the last weekomeo dobbs is going 111th overall if you get him 130th overall that's almost that's around 10 that's too early for me like look at the other guys here um keon coleman brian thomas curtis samuel khalil shakir jacoby myers tyler lockett josh palmer i don't like all of those guys better than Dobbs but probably four at least plenty of them for sure

yeah on CBS his ADP is 133.3333 yeah okay let's see do you like that price better I'm assuming yeah absolutely that's what I think he should be by the way Jamie's internet cut out so we're waiting for him to come back

that's what I think I don't think Dobbs should be around 10 pick I like don't you like Shakir and Palmer better than him definitely but I I do think that Dobbs is very close to that type of receiver okay a guy that you draft you see what happens and even if he doesn't break out early he can still you can still put them in your lineup during the bye week. Or if you're really thin on other receivers and hope for 10 to like we talked about at the beginning, 18 fantasy points. He did that in three or four games last year. All right, Dave. So listen, here's what we're going to do real quick.

Yeah. Jamie's back. We are going to read one draft-a-thon question. Give a quick answer. And then we're going to get into more sleepers. This is from Brett in a town east of Cincinnati. I was just in Ohio, east of Cincinnati. Let's go with Paducah, Kentucky. He says, Dear George, Tom, T-H-O-M,

Theo, and Abe. President? Yeah, yeah. Is this Mount Rushmore? I should definitely know who's on Mount Rushmore. Guess what? Paducah is southwest of Cincinnati. Real quick answer here. How do you guys recommend handling waiver wire additions as keepers?

Last round, ADP, arbitrary mid-round cost, or not allowed to keep? How do you handle waiver wire pickups as keepers? What's their price next year? My answer is complicated, so if you've got an easy one, Jamie, go for it. I have one league where they are—how do we do it? Last round? Last round? Last round? But it depends. Like, they can't be dropped.

Oh, interesting. What do you mean they can't be dropped? They can't be – if they were drafted and dropped, they are their draft value. That – yes. That's where my idea – my keeper value whatever starts. Yes. I'm all for them. If you drafted, let's say you don't have

this used to happen to us with no IR spots. So if you drafted somebody who was injured and then they were dropped, then somebody else picked them up because they were out of it at the end of the season and try to keep them for last round picks, we change that. Okay. Okay, that works for me. Do you want to hear my complicated one or should we just move on?

If you pick, yeah, just move on. If you pick them up mid-season, they've been dropped. They have their round value from the draft if you picked them up off waivers they are like last year if you picked up puka wasn't drafted he's the last round pick if somebody dropped puka after drafting him in the eighth round he's an eighth round pick gotcha that's an easy way to do it yes let's take a break come back and talk more sleepers after this on fantasy football today oh yeah, yeah. College football promo there. Pretty excited for week one.

Jamie, who do the Gators open up with? Some second-rate team. Hopefully they hold their own, but we'll see. Yeah, baby. Miami versus Florida. You guys are going to kill us. No, we're not.

David Adam versus Jamie and Schaefer. There's got to be some type of wager here. All right. That's our national championship. That's our national,. That's our national. Yeah. We have the best schedule in the world. Well, good luck in your national championship game.

Well, bad luck. Okay. Jamie Sleepers. Listen, we got a lot of names here, so we're going to go through them kind of quickly. We talked about. We've never talked about these guys before, so we should probably spend a lot of time.

Well, Will Levis, we talked about Justin Fields. Still a sleeper for you after that performance? Yes. If he gets the job at any point, as we talked about, there's top 10 upside. Absolutely. Do you have to draft him, though? Certainly in

super flex and two quarterback leagues, he should be drafted. Any best ball leagues, he should be drafted. In a 12-team five or six person bench, probably not. But if you draft, I would say Alan Mahomes, Hurts. You don't need a second quarterback, and you just want to take a flyer on a player who could be a difference maker that you might be able to trade,

then sure. Okay. Chuba Hubbard is on your sleepers list. Dave talked about him. Zach Charbonnet. Well, Ty Chandler is on your sleepers list. We just talked about Antonio Gibson.

So two running backs remaining here that we haven't discussed. I want to get your thoughts on Gibson and Zach Charbonnet. So what's your sleeper case for Antonio Gibson?

He's got two seasons on his resume with 1,000 total yards. And he's playing behind a guy that missed five games last year in Stevenson with an ankle injury.

So he's an injury away from most likely being the feature back. And I think the thing that we tend to do, which is totally understandable is when we talk about some of these backup running backs on crappy teams, it's like, why would we even care? But sometimes volume does matter. And he's so cheap on, on most, any site you look at based on ADP that he's going to have some sort of role. We just don't know exactly what role. You assume some level of work in the passing game and clearly some touches. But I just think that if Ramondre goes down,

we're going to be using him as at least a flex. He'll be in the number two running back discussion. And while the Patriots offense might be absolutely gross, there's still some value there in a guy that's going to be a potential starter. So one of your last round picks, it's not a bad move to take Antonio Gibson as cheap as he is right now. All right, Zach Charbonnet, there's been a lot of positive buzz about Ken Walker. So how have you interpreted that and what it means for Charbonnet? I still think Charbonnet is going to have a role, but

he's feeling more like a, not necessarily a guy that you can play in tandem with Walker for your fantasy team to start the year. But Walker's missed two games each of the last two seasons. And so there is a little bit of an injury track record there. And if they are going to run as many snaps as we hope they do, which is different from what we've seen in the past, that maybe Walker's just not going to be on the field

for all those plays. And so hopefully Charbonnet takes advantage of the time that he gets out there. But if, if they want a pass catching running back, clearly Charbonnet fits the bill more so than Walker does. So I'm excited for Walker to have more work in the passing game. I mean, look, anything compared to what he's had the last two years is a bonus, but if they, you know, obvious passing downs, two minute drill, that's what Charbonnet was doing for them last year. It would be very surprising if he's not doing a lot of that this year as well. And so I still think that there's value for him in a deeper league as a flex, probably somebody you just want to keep on your bench to open the season. But if Walker does miss

time and Charbonnet takes off, remember it's a new coaching staff. So they're not as prone to be committed to the incumbent as the previous coaching staff. So if Charbonnet takes off, he could easily hold the job for the rest of the year. So how do we decide what to do with Trey Benson, Blake Corum, Ty Chandler, Zach Charbonnet? Why would one be ranked higher than the other, I guess? Who do you target? I'm sure, I mean, there are a bunch of handcuffs, right? Like this whole group of backup running backs. How do you decipher? How do you rank them for lack of a better term? I think you have to decide. And, you know,

kind of what I was talking about with Charbonnet, you have to decide who's going to play and who's going to be more in a reserve role. So I think for Benton and Qu play and who's going to be more in a reserve role. So I think for Benson and Corum, they're going to be more in reserve roles. They'll obviously get some touches, but I don't think it's anything you can look at and say, these are guys that I could use at the start of my season. By comparison, so let's say what we're hearing out of Atlanta about Tyler Algier. It sounds like he's going to play. So if you think you need more of a player right now, that's probably the route that you go. Compare it to the rookies. Chandler's going to play. So if you think you need more of a player right now, that's probably the route that you go compared to the rookies.

Chandler's going to play. I take him over those guys. Charbonnet, I think, is going to play. I would take him over the rookies as well. So it's just a matter of, I think, what you think of each backfield. And in the case of, let's say, Corum, excuse me, Benson, again, James Connors missed three- plus games for the last five years Kyron Williams missed four games last year and maybe a one-year wonder you know so those two guys are a little bit of a different category you know by comparison to let's say a

Braylon Allen or a Jalen Wright or one of those guys like that you know so um I think you just you look at it you say okay well will this second running back play and that's how you should prioritize that player in that situation then you look at it and you say, okay, will this second running back play? And that's how you should prioritize that player in that situation. Then you look at offense and sort of go from there. Right. I was going to mention that. Look at the offense and figure out which offenses are going to score a lot of points. That's just another selling point for any of these guys.

So it's why I like Blake Corum. I don't expect Blake Corum to get a ton of work as long as Kyron Williams is healthy. I think Minnesota's offense will be different, and it might be better than previous iterations for the run game. And Jamie said it, Chandler's going to play. So you want guys that are going to play a little bit at least. You'll get to see what they're like. And then you just wait for the opportunity in front of them to open up and for them to be good, maybe, hopefully. You could, though, take the approach that, well, I know Tyler

Algier is going to play a little bit, but it's never going to be in a way that actually helps my fantasy team. Correct. That's how you sort of have to, you know, that's where it comes down to ranking those guys. But at the same time, if Bijan misses any time,

Tyler Algier could be a top-ten running back. Right, but does he have more upside than Blake Corum? Algier's going to score more fantasy points than Blake Corum on a weekly basis, we think, probably. But if both of the starting running backs in those situations get hurt, who would you rather have? I'd rather have Corum. Right.

I think I would too. So you could take that approach. That's an interesting way to look at it as well. You weigh the two handcuffed running backs against each other. Which one would you rather have? And guess what? There's a decent chance you're going to be dropping them to pick up hot players on the waiver wire in week two.

But it's worth trying to hold on to them. Those are the ones that could come back to haunt you. Of course. I remember, I'm sorry, I remember David Johnson's rookie year. He was like a hot waiver wire pickup. He went crazy down the stretch. He was drafted and dropped. Happens a lot.

Happens every year. Justin Jefferson for Samaje for... Kyron Williams last year. No one drafted and dropped Kyron Williams. No, but we picked them up. Right. But yeah,

like who people probably drafted and dropped, uh, not Jordan, whatever. Okay. All right. Let's go to wide receiver sleepers for Jamie Khalil Shakir. We discussed Curtis Samuel though.

And you talked about this the other day. It's like, it could be Curtis Samuel, right? He could be the guy who emerges. I mean, you, you talked

about the report from Joe Biscotti you know that we could see a situation where you know the they're gonna mix and match guys mix mix and match guys um quite a bit and I think the thing for Samuel is again knowing his history with Joe Brady he's gonna get carries he's gonna be a little bit of a gadget guy he's gonna see some time in the slot. He's probably going to see a few snaps on the outside as well. And so there's going to be some games where he looks like the best receiver for the bills. And so I, I said this on yesterday's show and you're reading from my,

my latest sleepers column. I take it, you know, so that what I did with these receivers was I basically looked at, um, duos that you can get. I think it was after pick one 20. And at that point you can get both bills receivers. When I wrote it, both bills receivers, not named Keon Coleman after pick 120, it's worth taking a shot on one. And in some cases, if your bench is deep enough, take a shot on both. Because if, if these two guys are the go-to guys for Buffalo and Josh Allen,

or at least to go to guys in the sense of getting enough opportunities and targets, there's 241 targets that are missing from a year ago with Diggs and Davis gone. So we can sit here and say Dalton Kincaid this and Keon Coleman that and James Cook and everything like that. It may just be Shakir and Samuel as the two best options. And they may not be top 20 receivers. I think you have to understand that. But they might be in the top 36.

And in a three-receiver league, bi-weeks, injuries, they could step up. I think Dave sort of alluded to this with Shakir. So I don't think you should expect league winners unless something really wacky happens. But the last time that Samuel was paired with Joe Brady was his best season in Carolina. So there's a lot to like about the opportunity there for him to use him in the right way. All right, so then let's go on to the Green Bay wide receivers, Dontavion Wicks and Romeo Dobbs. Dave and I discussed Romeo Dobbs. Dave and I discussed Romeo Dobbs when we were talking about,

is Romeo Dobbs really worth a round 10 pick? Because that's where he's going currently in NFC ADP over the last week. But he's more like a round 11 or 12 pick on CBS ADP, I believe. So when would you start taking Dobbs and Wicks? You got to take Dobbs before Wicks at this point, you know, and it makes sense. Matt LaFleur came out, I believe yesterday, or might have been after their preseason game. And he was a little rant, ranting a little bit about, stop asking me about who's our number one receiver. We don't need to have a quote unquote number one receiver.

We have four guys who we believe can be number one receivers. And that's what we've been saying a lot for our, our, our fantasy view on this is, is the upside, maybe a little bit more in favor of Christian Watson and Jaden Reed than Romeo Dobbs and, and, and Dontami Wicks probably. But we know Dobbs is going to play the most,

most likely of the group and Wicks, as you saw has big play potential. As you saw last year, when Watson missed time, he was a very good fantasy option. So there's going to be weeks where it's one guy that we will sit here and say, has big play potential. As you saw last year, when Watson missed time, he was a very good fantasy option. So there's going to be weeks where it's one guy that we, we'll sit here and say, start Christian Watson.

He's been great. It's time to get him in your lineups across the board. And then that's the Wix game. And then we'll say, okay, pick up Wix off waiver because his roster percentage is 48% and it's time to buy in. And then he puts up a dud. It's just going to be that type of receiving core. But again, similar to Buffalo, if you can get pieces of this offense,

you're tying yourself to a quarterback that really got hot down the stretch, where there is no clear-cut number one target, where there's opportunities for, as you see here for Dobbs, eight touchdowns. Last year, he tied for the lead in receiving touchdowns with Jaden Reed. He's going to, again, be on the field. He's got a nice floor of around 11 PPR points. That's basically what he did last year, almost every week when he scored a touchdown. The problem is he was very touchdown dependent. So I don't have a problem taking a

flyer on him. And the same thing with Wicks, you know, it's just one of those things where if you're in your draft and you start to see how it's unfolding, uh, fourth receiver, probably not the case. Fifth receiver. Absolutely. I would love Dontavion Wicks to be that guy. If he's your fourth receiver, I don't think there's as much upside there, but you just want pieces of these type of offenses. Good quarterback, good system, potential to be great. And similar to what we talked about with, um, you know, T Higgins to a lesser degree, Christian Watson's got an injury problem and Wicks popped last year when Watson's hamstring

popped. So there, there's a chance for that to continue once again. Okay. So if you want some pieces of the Green Bay and Buffalo passing games, let's talk about two other teams where you listed some, some wide receivers that are available. Sliding scale. Yeah, exactly here.

Right. So, so now we're going a little bit deeper, right? With Arizona and new England, Greg Dorch, Michael Wilson for Arizona, Demario Douglas, Jalen Polk, Javon Baker for new England hero. Are these number six wide receivers now? Number five, Jamie froze there for a minute. Dave, are these number five, number six wide receivers? We're talking about. They are exactly that.

And there are also players that you can take late. And if they don't perform for you early on there are, they're going to be on your bench. I don't think anybody's starting Greg Dorch week one, but if, if they are on your bench, they're not doing anything. They're seeing four targets a game.

You can move on from them. You might double back for them off the waiver wire. At some point, I already said earlier in the show that the Patriots offense really doesn't get me excited. I think Polk might be able to lead their receivers and targets this year. Douglas could lead their receivers and targets. It could be close.

And neither one of them will even be like 12 or 11 PPR points per game. Arizona's a little bit different. And the coaches seem to be really buzzing about Dorch. If he's going to be their slot guy, maybe he's their number three in targets behind Harrison and McBride. I don't know how much will be left for him after those first two guys. Do I want that? Do I really want that? Because at least in New England, I've got the chance of getting the number one receiver. I don't even think I have a chance to get,

I don't think I have a chance of getting the number two receiver with Dorchen Wilson in Arizona. We might be wasting time talking about all of these receivers because I don't know if any of them can create any consistency because they're just in, in situations. Arizona is more of a situation, New England situation, plus just the offense in general that really isn't going to like create opportunity for huge fantasy points without somebody getting hurt. And I know that Jalen Polk might have, or Douglas, you could pick either one of those guys in New England. They might have a huge opportunity to step up and put up really good numbers this year. If they do it early on in the year, I'll be happy that I drafted them. But I view Douglas as a guy that's going to be right around 10 or 11 PPR points per game. I think Polk can be around the same. I'm not sure that without touchdowns, Wilson will even be double digits and Dorch might be close to double digits, but not in that.

I don't think he's catching five balls for 70 yards every week. So as far as late round for these guys, uh, they don't get me excited in a traditional 12 team league, 14 team league though. It's a different story. 10 PPR points as an average is not bad. I'll take a look at them. I believe I'm taking Wicks ahead of everybody that we've talked about in the last minute, except for Polk.

Polk is close to Wicks. Okay. And then Jamie has two sleeper tight ends. Tyler Conklin, who has three straight seasons of 87 targets in 17 games. He's never scored more than three touchdowns in any of those seasons. Right. That's a problem. But here's,

here comes Aaron Rogers and Hunter Henry, who I think is also on your sleepers list. Yes. I think we have a little bit too many Patriots pass catchers on our sleepers list about being honest with you here. That's fine. The reason why they're on there though, is because you can find them in the late rounds and there are some

positives. Let me tell you what I've got on Hunter Henry. I actually think it's a good situation for him with Jacoby Brissett under center. Brissett has a career 27% rate of targeting his tight ends, between was with Alex Van Pelt, 27.1% of his targets at tight ends. Njoku had almost 11 PPR points per game in nine games with Jacoby Brissett. And I just got done ranting about Polk and Douglas, and they could both be decent for the Patriots. I don't know if this offense is going to revolve around them. I think the easier option for the quarterback, at least to begin the year, is going to be Hunter Henry. And that'll go double in the red zone. So we're talking about a tight end that we're taking late in drafts. He might be your number two tight end. You might start him week one, but Hunter Henry, just as a streaming type of tight end, I think that's where Hunter Henry fits into the fantasy conversation. And I honestly, I think you can get

him in round 13, 14. And if things break right for him, meaning that the offense doesn't really cultivate a good number one wide receiver, he's on the field a ton. He sees an uptick in targets that, that stays all season long. That's the kind of guy that could be a sleeper to starter that helps your lineup every week. I think that possibility is there for Henry, who once upon a time was considered a top seven type of fantasy tight end. Not really on merit though. Like that's the thing about Hunter Henry.

Not on merit, certainly on talent and the opportunities when he was in LA were not bad. Yeah. When he was in LA, what happened when he's been in new England, he's been there three years. He's averaged 30 to 36 receiving yards per game. And actually, he kind of transitions into Pat Fryermuth.

I feel like Pat Fryermuth is sort of the new Hunter Henry. And I know he's one of your sleepers. I'd rather have Fryermuth. Yeah, of course you would. But it's another guy where I feel like he hasn't really done that much in his career, except he caught, just like Henry, Henry caught some touchdowns as a rookie, but, uh, people are hopeful for him. I get it though.

I get it. So Pat Friermuth is what tight end, what for you and your rankings? I believe he's 12th. Okay. And again, he's, he's in that same type of conversation as a streaming tight end, someone that you'll begin the season with and be noncommittal, but who's the number two wide receiver right now in Pittsburgh. I don't know. I know Pickens is number one. I don't think Van Jefferson is going to be number two. I don't think Calvin Austin could be number two. I know they're thinking about making a trade. I don't know

if that's going to happen. And until that does happen, I think Friar Muth is that number two option. So it's, it's really just, it comes down to, can he, what, what can a tight end that you're drafting late do for, do for you? Okay.

Like I view Tyler Conklin is more of like a, like if he doesn't score a touchdown, are you even getting 10 PPR points from him? How often has he done that? Well, that that's what I like Tyler Conklin to me, 10 PPR points. I don't't know but four for 40 some weeks which is that good yeah i can't get excited i'm gonna go look for somebody else getting excited about that i'm not but it's not terrible it's not

you know it's a it's a floor that's not gonna sink you at tight end okay and so i look at friar muth i think he's got a higher floor. I think he's got a much higher seat. I'm not Dave. I just to be clear, I'm just making it clear to the audience. Yeah. Same thing with Hunter Henry.

I think that he's got just as good of a floor, if not a better floor than Conklin. Okay. With a higher ceiling than Conklin. Yeah. Friar Muth is in a different, that's why I'm taking them out of Conklin. Yeah.

Friar Muth is in a different discussion than Tyler Conklin. Like for sure. I'm not trying to, not trying to make any bones about that. All right. taking them out of Conklin. Yeah, Fryman's in a different discussion than Tyler Conklin, like for sure. Not trying to make any bones about that. All right, other sleepers for Dave, Will Levis, Rico Dowdle, Chuba Hubbard. We've discussed them. Although I guess we didn't really talk too much about Dowdle,

but we'll get to him on the breakout show. Josh Palmer. I wonder if he's the best name on either list, basically. I think Dowdle's going to go ahead of him. Is anyone else going ahead of him, going ahead of Josh Palmer? Anyone else that we've talked about today? Chuba, Charbonnet, Chandler, Gibson, Curtis Samuel, Khalil Shakir,

Romeo Dobbs, Stantavian Wicks, Dortch, not the Patriots guys, not the Cardinals guys. Palmer? Well, I can tell you right now on RADP, Blake Corum is going like 10 picks ahead of Josh Palmer. Palmer is buried in RADP. Is Khalil Shakir going ahead of him? He actually is not.

Palmer's at 133. Shakir is at 134. Dobbs in between them at 133.3333. Here's what I like about Palmer. He's the healthiest receiver that the Chargers have right now. The Chargers are having a big-time battle for their number three wideout between DJ Chark and Quentin Johnston. I don't know if it's going to matter which one of those two guys ends up being the number three receiver. I think that there's going to be two reliable targets for Justin Herbert. Once Herbert's back on the field, it's going to be McConkie and it's going to be Palmer. And I

don't know if either of them are going to be hyper-efficient downfield guys. I think they're going to be short area targets. They're both good route runners. And I know that everybody's worried about the foot of Justin Herbert. That'll get better. And what I'm really hoping for is that that offensive line plays really well. It needs to play to the expectation that their coaches have because they're trying to build through that line what this offense will be. And there are going to be games where Herbert doesn't throw 35 times or anything like that. But if there's a concentration of targets between those two guys and you can't really name a third guy, Hayden Hurst isn't going to be the third guy, Chark Johnson, whatever. I think that there's a realistic possibility that both McConkie and Palmer could register

seven targets a game and you're getting Josh Palmer round 10 or later. And I think he can be serviceable, certainly better than those Patriots receivers and definitely better than those Cardinals receivers. And is he better than those Packers receivers? Not the first two, but I think the fact that Palmer, we won't have questions about playing time, target share. And that's that kind of stuff with Palmer. Like we might end up having for Dobbs and Wicks. So I'll take Palmer ahead of Dobbs and Wicks. All right.

Hi, Jamie. Hey, internet, internet, uh, giving you a hard time. Yes.

One of those days. So for other sleepers for Dave that I haven't seen on a lot of other lists, we got Tyrone Tracy, Jordan Mason. It's part of me. Bucky Irving. How about those three running backs? Tyrone Tracy, Jordan Mason, Bucky Irving, and then Cowboys receiver Jalen Tolbert.

Tolbert is a play in case CD Lambs holdout goes a lot longer than expected. And he's had some rave reviews in camp and did not play or did not get a target. I'm not sure if he played in their first preseason game. So that's just a late round flyer that I'm doing some work on and we'll see. Maybe he can end up being their number two receiver this year in Dallas. That would be mildly interesting to take with one of your last two or three picks on draft day.

Brian Dillbill today came out and said that Tracy's doing a better job in pass protection. I think he's setting himself up to be the passing downs back for the Giants. That's a team that's probably going to be passing a lot this year. And if he can do well there and maybe do better running the ball and he can have better efficiency than Devin Singletary, maybe Tracy's the one that helps get this, gets this run game back on track. And I know Eric gray look great in the preseason game and he might end up mattering too.

There might be too many running backs there, but Tracy is someone who I think has the profile to be maybe the floor of what Tajay Spears was last year in Tennessee. And that's not great. It's not going to be something that fantasy managers will absolutely have to have on their fantasy team. Oh, no, Dave. What?

Not even joking. What? Tyrone Tracy just went down untouched on a kickoff return. No. Putting on an air cast. No. So like I said,

you don't want to touch Tyrone Tracy. No. That's not going to be good for your fantasy team. No, that's terrible. But that will open the door to start talking about sleepers and Eric Gray and Dante Miller is another guy. And maybe they enter the fray as another team

that looks for another running back. Great. That really stinks. While I was talking about Tyrone Tracy, man, you cursed. You just jinxed. Is that the biggest jinx or what? The biggest jinx.

I now want to spend seven minutes on Adam Azor. Oh, God. Adam Azor is this amazing host on Fantasy Football today. Okay. Looks like a major injury for Tyron Tracy's corner, Dan Duggan. He muffed the kickoff, and his right ankle, lower leg, appeared to buckle as he reached for the ball. They immediately put an air cast on his right leg and carded him off.

That sucks. Damn it. All right, Dave, we got to wrap things up here. Jordan Mason and Bucky Irving. Every running back in San Francisco is hurt right now, except for Jordan Mason. And he had a good camp before the injury started to take place. I entered the preseason thinking that they were going to showcase Mason for a possible trade. Now they might end up needing Mason to be the early season backup to McCaffrey. It's the only reason why you would take him with a possible trade. Now they might end up needing Mason to be the early season backup to McCaffrey. It's the only reason why you would take him with a late pick.

Bucky Irving started for the Bucks, played the majority of snaps with the first, with the quote unquote first team in their first preseason game. Camp reports have been good on him. I think Rashad White's still going to be the far and away top touch guy for Tampa Bay, but I think Irving's going to be the running back behind him. And he's kind of in that same mold as Tyrone Tracy, where a good pass catcher out of the backfield and can make guys mess. By the way,

you had Jalen Tolbert on their list for the Cowboys. Do you know? He just got her to know. No. Do you know what movie the line is that you Tolbert is from anyone? Is that you Tolbert? I'm Anyone? Is that you, Tolbert? I'm hungover. No?

Okay. We'll see if anyone in the chat gets it. I bet they do. What about Brandon Cooks? Because I take him as my last pick. I know he's not sexy, but he's caught some touchdowns last year. No? All right.

Is he a touchdown or bust receiver? Probably, but maybe he's better this year. Who knows? I mean, look, all these guys are on the table if CeeDee Lamb is out. So if he misses any time, it's Tolbert, it's Cooks, it's Julio Jones, so they'll probably sign.

I mean, they'll be scraping the bottom of the barrel. Major League is the answer. That's when Tom Barringer, Jake Taylor, gets the phone call that he's being invited to Indians camp. And he says, is that you, Tolbert? He says, if you were going to pull this crap, at least you could have said you were from the Yankees.

That's a hell of a pull by you. Oh, come on. I know like everyone can write that script right now if I needed to. All right. In the heat of your... In the heat of your... that's it for today's show you've got buses tomorrow and we're going to try to pull off four breakout episodes one for each position there'll be shorter episodes about 20 minutes each

with guests from around the industry talk Talk to you tomorrow on Fantasy Football Today.