Fantasy Football Today - Sophomore RBs! Do We Have Some Sneaky Breakouts? (02/26 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: February 26, 2025

It can't just be Bucky Irving and Tyrone Tracy Jr., right? We're going to make the case for some surprising sophomore breakouts. First, some quick questions (4:35) about values for Irving and Tracy, who RB3 is in this class and who is an injury away from being a Fantasy star? ... Spotlight on Irving (13:15) and Tracy (24:55). What do we like about them? What worries us? Is Irving too small? Is Tracy going to get replaced? ... NFL Combine notes (32:45) including a debate about Anthony Richardson's dynasty value and then we talk about the rest of the sophomore class (45:30) including Sincere McCormick, Audric Estime, Jaylen Wright and many more ... Your emails at [e-mail] Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Shop our store: shop.cbssports.com/fantasy  SUBSCRIBE to FFT Express on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-express/id1528634304 Follow FFT Express on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6qyGWfETSBFaciPrtvoWCC?si=6529cbee20634da8 SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179 FOLLOW FFT Dynasty on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1 SUBSCRIBE to FFT DFS on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dfs/id1579415837 FOLLOW FFT DFS on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5zU7pBvGK3KPhfb69Q1hNr?si=1c5030a3b1a64be2 Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." Visit the betting arena on CBSSports.com for all the latest sportsbook reviews and sportsbook promos. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This is fantasy football today from CBS Sports. What a play! Can you believe this? No, I can't. It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Off to the races and he stays at his feet. This is gonna go the distance. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie and Heath.

So we follow up our discussion of sophomore wide receivers with a discussion of sophomore running backs. The class not quite as good as the wide receiver class, but you know what? I'm going to give you a little optimism in just a second. We welcome you here to fantasy football today. We got the full gang. Adam here with Dave, Jamie, and Heath is about to hop on. I've got an email about mailbox height that I think you'll find interesting. But yeah, Bucky Irving, Tyrone Tracy,

they were the only ones who really were must starts at any point as rookies last year, but that doesn't mean that the sophomore seasons won't be good. Good morning guys, Heath has now joined the show and yeah, what do we think? You know, what was interesting about this class is that these guys, they didn't really get

their opportunities because running backs just stayed pretty healthy last year. James Connors stayed healthy and James Cook stayed healthy except for one game and then Ray Davis had a big game. Devon Achan stayed healthy. But when we look at this class, do we still see a lot of potential from this sophomore class? And then that's obviously the funny thing is Jonathan Brooks was the first guy drafted and we probably don't see a lot of 2025

potential for him. But Dave, what do you think about the class? I think it's okay. There's not a lot of players that I look at and say, these are going to be fantasy studs for four plus years. I think we can, I think we can get close to that with Bucky. I don't know if we can get there with anybody else. Maybe you can kind of like really squint hard and see it with Trey Benson. Maybe you cross your fingers with Jonathan Brooks. There's question marks about so many of these guys.

It makes it really hard to view them as, all right, long-term, I don't think so. 2025, okay, now we can talk about opportunities for Tyrone Tracy. Maybe Ray Davis sees his role increase a little bit. Maybe Isaac Garendo elevates to the number two running back in San Francisco, which means by week seven, he'll be the number one running back for San Francisco. Benson, maybe something there, Marshawn Lloyd, something there. But I think that's the rosiest I can get is there are a bunch of names for 2025, who can be draftable, not necessarily good for fantasy. All right, this time last year, we were, you know, we had some

enthusiasm about chase Brown, for example, but he was a year two guy who didn't do much as a rookie. It just, for some of these guys, it just takes opportunity. All right, with that said, let's do some quick questions here. What do you like better as a VAT? What's up, Heath? You okay?

What's going on? Oh, I saw your face. Did I miss something? I don't think you missed anything at all. I think you're doing a fantastic job. I'm really enjoying the show. Okay. Who is he?

He's saying nice things about Adam. He's got this look on his face. Like it's going to bring the sarcasm sledgehammer today. All right. Let's go to, let's go to our first quick question. What's a better value? And this is based on the draft we did last week, Bucky Irving in round two or Tyrone Tracy in round six?

Cell. Bucky Irving around. It's Bucky. I like that. I mean, I don't like the cell answer necessarily, but I like the discussion we can have off of it. By the way, this is a 12 team PPR leaders, half PPR. Bucky Irving round two, Tyrone Tracy round six. You say sell Heath. Yeah, I think like Bucky in round two is fine. I think he could be a borderline RB one.

I think the problem for a lot of this class, like you talked about, they didn't get opportunity because the guys in front of them didn't get hurt. The other problem is there's a class of running backs coming in that might have six guys that would have been RB one last year. Like there's just enormous danger over the next month or two for these running backs. Yeah. But you don't like, uh, Tracy in round six, that's too early for you. I think Tracy is one of the scariest ones because in round six is, I think

he came out close to a borderline RB two for me, a low end RB two. Um, but he's, he's scary out for the obvious reasons. One, the draft class I just said to. He did have the fumbling problems last year and he wasn't exactly a workhorse running back or viewed as a workhorse running back coming into the year, um, coming into the NFL. So I think there's, there's a real risk that the giants still think they need the number one running back. Uh, Tyrone Tracy jr. Was the number 16 running back per game in the last 13

games of the season. That was, uh, after four games of Devin Singletary, Singletary got hurt after that. Tracy was number 16 running back per game, but on pace for only 235 carries. We'll talk more about that a little bit later. Next quick question. Who is your RB3 in this sophomore class? Trey Benson. I'll just throw out some other names.

Jalen Wright. It's Benson Wright and Garendo for me, but it would be Benson ahead of the other two. You throw a Braylon Allen in that mix as well. As I have a rank today, Garendo is ahead of Benson. And we'll see what the Raiders do. You might be able to throw a Sincere McCormick in that mix. Yeah.

Okay. Next quick question. Oh, sorry. Sorry. No, please continue. Who other than Irving and Tracy could become a must start running back without an injury to a teammate without an injury? You can say no one. I think if, if the dolphins go back to what they did two years ago, it could be Jalen, right? Um, yeah, I mean, I guess I said McCormick. I mean, is there a world where Kimani Vidal takes a step forward this off season?

The chargers don't bring back Dobbins. I think Gus is a free agent too. So they don't even bother with Gus and, uh, no, Gus could be a cap casualty. And then they don't draft at the position and Vidal just falls into a huge opportunity. I'd say I leaned heavily against that, but I guess it's possible. I guess that same thing's possible for Audric Estimé, right? Yep. Yeah.

But they, they talk about adding a versatile player to the offense. They call it a joker, just somebody that can line up anywhere. And that could be a tight end. It could be a running back. I would imagine that there are enough running backs in this class to your point, Keith, that would make Audra Guestame pretty obsolete. Right. But yeah, make the argument for Vidal and not for Estimé, right? Because you could say the same thing about Vidal. There's so many, I mean, Vidal didn't do anything. He's like a, later on, I don't know what-

He had a big catch, he had one nice catch. I don't know what the fascination is in this guy. Give him credit for one nice catch. Okay, he didn't do it. He could be replaced though, easily. But you know, maybe they don't get replaced. Who is an injury away from being a fantasy star? Garendo.

Garendo, Benson, Wright, Quorum, Davis. Braylon Allen? Allen. Will Shipley? I don't know. That's what the appeal is of this class. It's the same exact thing as last year. They're handcuffs right now.

By the way, here's our email of the day, at fantasyfootballatcbsi.com. You wanna send us an email? Hit us up at fantasyfootballatcbsi.com. That is the letter I. This is from Paul Garofa. The United States Postal Service requires that the bottom of a mailbox be between 41 and 45 inches

above the road surface. The height is measured from the road surface to the inside surface of the mailbox, or to the lowest edge of the road surface. The height is measured from the road surface to the inside surface of the mailbox or to the lowest edge of the mail entry. Also, mailboxes should be set back six to eight inches from the curb or road edge. I just paid someone to fix my mailbox because I was too lazy to do it myself. Can we get an update Heath on your mailbox situation? You know it's interesting. I called the company to replace my mailbox. So I'm getting a new mailbox after three decades at its current

height is now, uh, it's now too low. It's shrinking. It's been there for three decades. It's set in concrete, so it's not actually shrinking, but yes, it will be replaced in six to eight weeks. So I should only get three or four more letters before then. How many do you think? How many more, how many inches higher is the new one going to be?

Well I hope it's at least five inches higher. Okay. That's what we need. We need five inches. Yep. We're five inches short. I apologize to all the people over the years who have had to bend over to put my mail in the mailbox. Well, I'm glad this problem is being resolved.

Okay, FFT Dynasty, what can you tell us about that? A little bit more exciting than the mailbox situation. Yeah, yeah, did a one-man mailbag yesterday, answered questions for about 30 minutes. And on Friday we will be doing some sort of rankings or mock of the rookies. I'm writing today my pre-combined top 12 rookies for dynasty purposes. And there will be six running backs in that class. I would imagine six running backs or maybe five that I have ranked higher

than anybody but Bucky Irving in last year's class. I am working on a pretty big trade in the big burger dynasty league. I'm not going to give any details because two of you are in the league, but I'm working on it. I'm hoping that we can talk about it, you know, that it can be executed and then you guys can tear it apart, but it would be good fodder for any show. I received a really compelling email in that league about the ability for me to upgrade

from Drake May to Jaden Daniels. So I was pretty excited about that. But then I realized that I tore my team down so much last year that I need all those picks. So I don't think I'm going to do it. Okay. Well, give us the parameters. I don't know if you want to tell us the players or the, like, is it draft picks or is it player

like what? Oh, it's both. It's both. Okay. You're, you're, you're trying to rebuild or you're trying to go back into the drink. Yeah. I want to get back into it. I don't want to rebuild anymore. I tanked this past year.

I have the third pick. When you're quarterback and ED and you have the third pick, it's just not in a super flex league. You know, it's not a great spot to be. I think Gentie and Ward are going to be the first two picks. And then I'm not taking Sanders third, even though the Giants will, I'm not going to. All right, let's take a quick break here.

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wager. Ontario only. Please play responsibly. If you have questions or concerns about your gambling or someone close to you please contact Connex Ontario at 1-866-531-2600 to speak to an advisor free of charge that MGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. We did talk about Bucky Irving a lot I think last, but we're going to do it again. So Bucky Irving finished as RB 20 per game, but from weeks 10 through 18, he was RB six per game. He was on pace for not a ton of work with 264 carries, 51 catches, but quick math here, about 1950 total yards and 11 touchdowns. He was unbelievable, scored 16.3 or more PPR fantasy points in seven of his last eight

games including the postseason. So is everyone cool with Bucky Irving going in the middle of the second round where he went in our last draft? Yes. Yep. As of now. I don't think there's anything wrong with it. I don't know that I would, that I'm going to be drafting it like 18 or 19, but he belongs

in round two. What's your hesitation with it? Um, just, I think the history of day three or UDFA running backs who have had really good rookie years and then kind of disappeared. And it particularly the fact that he was a day three pick and I got date, there's going to be some day three running backs this year. That in most years should go, would, would have gone day two, but there's just so many good running backs that there aren't enough teams that want to take them there.

That was not the case last year at all. We talked to all, this time of year last year, we were talking about how it was a great wide receiver class, but a really, really weak running back class. I don't think anybody had a running back in the first round of the rookie mocks at this time of year. Jonathan Brooks maybe eventually got there in some formats. Um, but the fact that he was a day three pick in a class that wasn't very good. Um, it gives us a little bit of pause. Now, the fact that they kept their head coach, I think Jamie and I have

talked about this a lot, it seems like a lot of those guys that fall off, there's a coaching change. There, there wasn't a head coach change, but there was an offensive coordinator change. Okay. Is anybody else bothered by that? Cause Tracy and Irving both day three picks. Tracy was a fifth round pick, Irving a fourth round pick. And it definitely occurred to me. I mean, yeah, I think about Damien Pierce. I think about Ramon Dray Stevenson, not that he had such a great rookie season, but just, you know, it hasn't has kind of teased us. I think about Kyron Williams on the other end of this.

Go back to Alfred Morris had a great rookie season, Jordan Howard, James Robinson. So is anybody anybody by what's that? Kyron didn't have a good rookie season. Oh, that's right. You know what? I'm sorry. He a good rookie season. Oh, that's right. You know what? I'm sorry. He had 35 carries as a rookie, did nothing. But is anybody bothered by this, by him being a round four pick?

I mean, look, you're going to have to, you know, nitpick players in certain regards. And so, you know, in the case of, you know, his pedigree, you know, I don't think anybody expected him to be a workhorse running back right away. I think a lot of people thought that he would be more of a third down change of pace type of guy and Then maybe he can work into a bigger role He still has competition. You know Rashad White's not gonna necessarily disappear. I don't think you know so Will it be more of what we saw when Bucky Irving was going that Rashad White was was much more of a non-factor I would hope that's the case

You know based on how things worked for the Bucs, their run game was fantastic. And it did kind of coincide when he took off was the injuries to Mike Evans and Chris Godwin. So how does a new offensive coordinator going to sort of operate, especially if Godwin's back and now you have McMillan, and so is it a Baker Mayfield attack

and the run game sort of supplements or is it a run based offense? And the passing game sort of works alongside of it. So they did have a lot of success running the ball. He was a big part of it. But yes, there is a little bit of, OK, can he sort of disappear? Does somebody else emerge? You heard the new office coordinator come in

and still mention Sean Tucker's name too. So could he also have maybe a role on top of the other two guys? Again, these are things that are minor concerns for me, but I still think it's something to sort of factor in. In the case of Tracy, I think Heath was alluding to this. The Giants just went through a season where they watched the running back leave

that goes on to go for 2,000 yards, have an MVP campaign, win a Super Bowl. And do they want to sort of find that again if they have the ability to, to get that sort of workhorse type of running back. Tracy filled that role for them last year, but also it's not necessarily something maybe that ownership wants. So this could be Brian Dable, Joe Shane, I said Jim Shane, got another wrong name, Joe Shane and Dable going with one philosophy and Mara kind

of coming in and saying, no, I want a featured running back in the class that has several of them. So we'll see how they attack the draft. I don't think free agency is going to be something that makes a lot of sense to replace Trace and Singletary. And they go and maybe find somebody else that could be more of a Saquon Barkley type of player. Now that would probably be Gentie and, and, and, you know, maybe another one or another

guy or two at the top of the list that can fill those sort of qualities. But to me, it's Gentie or bust in terms of that comparison. Um, but in any event, you know, they, they could obviously, you know, surprise us. Like this could be one of those teams like, oh, why did they draft running back? And then we sort of play it out as the season goes on. Yeah. Look, if the running back in the fourth round is the best player available,

they might take a running back, right? It's not like a huge investment. But it could also be the second round, if that's something that they deem. I'd be surprised, but I don't know. I would too, but again, we're going to have one or two surprises on draft day that are like, oh, they didn't need that. Maybe they did.

Of course. Bucky Irving back to him was just so good. 5.4 yards per carry. Just some of the best advanced metrics. He's very small though, Dave, we don't really talk about that. And perhaps he is not equipped for a full workload. I think we've kind of been alluding to that, but he did have, let's see, his last what? Six games, 25 carries, 15, 16, 20, 19, and then 17 in the playoffs. I don't know, what do you think about that?

Do you think he gets close to a 300 carry pace? If he keeps up the efficiency from last year, there's no doubt he will. I think that's really what it comes down to with Bucky Irving is, can you really count on him to average over five yards per carry? Can you really count on him? Let me bring up his numbers on my computer real quick. He dominated. I have all the rookie numbers, all their running back metrics. He dominated that position. He had almost a thousand rush yards after contact over the course of the season. Can he keep that up again? He had an explosive rush rate of 9.4%.

That wasn't even best at his position among the rookies, but it was great. Can he do that again? Can he avoid 27? Can he have an avoided tackle rate of basically 28% second best among rookies, rookie running backs? Can he do that again? And can he do all of that while still rarely seeing 60% of the snaps for the bucks? He played 60% or more of the snaps in three games all year, including the playoffs. So I don't, I, I worry about that changing. I don't know if he's going to play. I don't think he's going to be used as a workhorse. I think the Bucks know that

using multiple backs is a good idea. Rashad White is certainly capable of being a guy that works in tandem with Bucky Irving. As a fantasy manager, I've got to be okay with Bucky Irving, not being on the field 70% of the snaps, he might not even be there 60% of the snaps most weeks, just like he wasn't last year. And so it comes down to does his rush efficiency dip by a full yard? Well, if he's 4.4 yards per carry and he's only getting what 240, 250 carries that's still good. It's not amazing. Does he score as many touchdowns? and he's only getting what 240, 250 carries, that's still good, it's not amazing.

Does he score as many touchdowns? He had eight rushing touchdowns last year. I don't know if that's so good. I don't think that number can come back. But if he can't, you wait, you don't think he can get to eight next year? No, I think he might be able to. Yeah, but I'm not saying.

Weeks, 10. If I'm making a pessimist case for it, I would say that he, if he's not as efficient, if it all falls down, he's going to be a bust. And so the question you really have to ask yourself with Irving is, can he keep up this efficiency? And I wouldn't look at, you know, the history of other running backs and what they've done. I would, I intend to study him. I happen to be a fan of the offensive line in Tampa. And I think that'll absolutely help him. I think it helped him last year.

And if he just gets the opportunities that he had last year, same types of opportunities, I think the efficiency comes down a little bit, but not to the point where he's a total dud, but you've got to agree with me in order to take Bucky Irving in round two. This is a perfect time of year for the Bucky Irving discussion as well. Because I think if you look at what people thought of Bucky Irving last year in February and before the combine, they were a lot more excited. And then he went to the combine and he weighed in really light and he didn't run particularly fast.

Yeah. And everybody got scared and he overcame all that and it didn't seem to matter at all last year. But there's a reason, I mean, there's a reason that he fell. I think if his combine had been better, he may have been a day two pick and this conversation may be a lot different. Yeah.

How many running backs went before him? Oh, six or seven. I'll, I'll take a look, but, uh, I kind of think that hand in hand with, Oh, Bucky Irving went in round four. Watch out. I just feel like all the running backs last year were very much devalued. He was the sixth running back is Brooks Benson, Coram, Lloyd, Jalen Wright, Bucky Irving,

and then Will Shipley. So yeah, he, he, he, by the way, he mentioned the avoid rate. I just want to mention his college numbers. This is Bucky Irving specialty appears to be avoiding tackles in college. He had an elite avoid rate two years in a row, and then he backed that up. And he also, if you watch him, I watched a lot this morning, this guy is, he is small, but he does not shy away from contact, which worries me a little bit, but he breaks a lot of tackles.

He's pretty physical guy. But like that, I think one of the difference between him and Tyrone Tracy, Tracy's not really a tackle breaker. He wasn't anyway, as a rookie, but Irving is much more physical, even though he's smaller. Tracy, though, I think has better speed. You can see on some of his breakaway runs, he's pretty damn fast. I think he ran like a four, four, 40,

somewhere around there. He is a former receiver. Bucky ran a four, five, four, five, five, 40 yard dash. So, all right, so that's Bucky Irving. There are definitely some risks. You're not gonna see a lot of running backs. Like he went back to back with Josh Jacobs. And you think about the role Rashad White plays

versus anyone else in that Packers backfield. And that's the difference, right? You don't have to worry about competition for a guy like Josh Jacobs. Who would you guys take Bucky or Josh Jacobs? Jacobs. Jacobs. Bucky.

All right. Let's go to Tyrone Tracy jr here and the running backs that went around where he went in round six were James Connor, Brian Robinson jr, Ramon Dray Stevenson, Travis ETN, Aaron Jones, JK Dobbins, pretty big run on running backs actually. Connor, Tracy, Brian Robinson Jr., Ramon Dre, ETN, Aaron Jones, JK Dobbins. Jamie, what do you think about Tracy amongst that group? I think this is where he belongs, but I would take him ahead of most of these guys. You know, I think you just look at opportunity and hopefully an offense that's going to be trending in the right direction. I still think the Giants offensive line could be good, the tackles can stay healthy, and so that's a big if. But if those two guys can stay on the field for an extended period of time and you have competent quarterback play with what Brian Dable should be able to accomplish with this

team, there's a lot to like about his situation because I think he could be a good pass catcher out of the backfield. I think he proved that he's a better talent than Devon Singletary. He's brought up the fumbles, that's something he has to work on, but I think that comes with growing into the position and understanding what to do with that role because again, converted college receiver going to the NFL as a running back and showed that he can handle the position, I think, and handle it well. So there's explosiveness. There's hopefully an offense on the rise. That's the question, at least for me, the

biggest question. But there are things to like about the situation. But again, as we said, there's an opportunity here for the Giants to maybe add to this backfield because while Tracy did well as a rookie and Singletary has proven to be a competent running back, there's a franchise here I think after everything that's happened over the last couple of years from Barclay's presence there to the loss of Saquon and what he did going to a rival that we could see this franchise wanting to bring back that type of level of production from that position and maybe finding somebody in the draft. Yeah I think for the purposes of today's show I maybe we should not kind of talk about

well they could add another running back because that that could apply to just about anyone we discussed. Yeah no no I wasn't I wasn't making I wasn't making that, you know, kind of piggyback on what he said. Yeah. It's more likely that the giants do something like that than the bucks. Oh yeah. Yeah. I agree. But I think every other team that we're going to talk about today with these sophomore running backs could probably add a running, you know, wouldn't be shocked if they added some competition. Yeah. If you just make that blanket statement, then I think that pretty much guy could apply to all of these guys. That the difference is like a lot of these guys are being going to be

drafted in round eight or later as backup running backs anyway. So it's not like you're it's, it's how much do you want to risk on Tyrone Tracy with that potential? The other thing is I don't really know who he is yet. His performances last year were so uneven in almost every regard. He had some stretches where he was really efficient as a rusher. He had some stretches where he was highly involved in the passing game. And he had some stretches where both of those things were completely awful.

And the giants are most likely still going to be one of the worst offenses in the NFL and have, I think Adam, you probably know this better than I do. Probably the most difficult schedule in the NFL next year. I wouldn't know, but why would you say that? Well first off, they are the worst team in the NFC East and they have to play the Eagles twice and the commanders twice. But I think also they're, if I remember correctly, and Dave can look at it right now, I think their divisional matchups are pretty awful next year as well.

NFC North, AFC West, and then Niner Saints Patriots. It doesn't sound great. Yeah, doesn't sound very good. And when they got blown out, I mean, you look at Tyrone Tracy and why he had a pretty low total of carries. There were four games last year where he had like, this is after the Devon Singletary injury.

He had single digit carries, he made like six-ish carries, and they got blown out in three of them. So there were definitely some game script issues there. I think the game that stands out to me, man, was that New Orleans game. New Orleans was an absolute joke of a run defense. And can you scroll down Thomas

on Tyrone Tracy's player page? And this looked like such a great spot for Tracy. It was later in the year, it was like week 15 ish. We'll get to New Orleans. There it is, week 14, 16 carries for 45 yards.'s it ends up being a good game. 19.3 yards but 19.3 fantasy points but 60 catches. Yeah. 16 carries or 45 yards against the Saints. This was a whole stretch in his last six games of the year. He averaged the quarterback that game. I think drew lock. I mean, does it throw a dart throw a dart at it like I doesn drew lock. I mean, throw a dart at it, like it doesn't matter.

DeVito, Locke, whoever. Can we erase the week 17 please? Week 17, 20 carries for 59 yards against the Colts, right? Yeah, but can we just move on from that one? Colts DST. Anyway, what was I gonna say? Yeah, he averaged 3.3 yards per carry in his last six

games. He really slumped. I don't know what that was about. I don't know what to make of that, but there were actually some pretty damn good matchups in that stretch. So I think it was drew lock in that game against the saints. Locke was also their leading rusher. That game, he had a quarterback rating of, he had a quarterback rating of 48.6. Oh my gosh. And that could have been the rookie wool. Like he had 192 carries last year. His career high coming into last year was 113 carries. So he probably hit that mark. Converted receiver. Good point. Good point. All right. Well, I'll finish with this. Would

you rather have James Connor or Tyrone Tracy? I think it depends on the build of your team. I'd rather have Tracy. Brian Robinson Jr. or Tyrone Tracy? Brian Robinson. As of now. Ramon J. Stevenson. Here's another thing on Tyrone Tracy. He turns 26 years old this year. Yeah, that's right. He's in his prime. Honestly, he's in his prime. Like that's a great year.

26 is a great year for running back. That might be great, but this is year three of him as a running back. I think if you're looking for a confidence, Antonio Gibson, you know, a guy that's got a lot of upside converter receiver. He may never do anything significant in the league, but he could have some moments

where he's going to be productive. Like this feels like such a team that's gonna find somebody else. Yeah, I don't like that Antonio Gibson comp. But what I've just, but he did not end up being a good running back. All right, we're gonna take another break, get to some combine news.

And of course, talk about all of the other relevant running backs, including Sincere McCormick who might just be third best, who knows. We'll be right back on FFT. All right, a lot of stories coming out of the combine. The Colts want to have an open competition at quarterback with someone who's not on their roster right now. So they want to bring someone in and make Anthony Richardson compete. And I don't think we need to see a Chris Ballard said, I think so. What do you say about it? That it doesn't have to necessarily be somebody that's stylistically the same.

So it could just be a whole different player, which just the whole thing makes no sense. You know, the thing about Richardson is like, they've been pretty open about several things. His preparation wasn't really good enough. Chris Bauer, I think it was Chris Bauer was saying, he came into the NFL, didn't exactly realize the weight of the quarterback position.

They're gonna work on his mechanics. And I think there's obviously, there's been a mental side of it that he hasn't that Richardson hasn't mastered just in terms of the preparation. So maybe that gives you some hope. It's not that he's such a bad player, it's that he has to prepare a little bit differently. Maybe. I think according to the reports, he got the wake up call when he got benched. Yeah. So he started, you know, being first guy in the building, those type of things that you like to hear and staying late, you know, doing more late, doing more film study, all those things. But it's sad that

it maybe took that situation to bring that to light. Look, he's got a very small window to hopefully maximize his earning potential and prove that he belongs in this league and this might be his final chance. Maybe final chance for Chris Ballard too. The other thing that came out of what he said was They want to add a running back in a tight end Tight end makes a ton of sense, you know give give some some life to that position because it's been lacking for a long time in Indianapolis But running back is interesting, you know Do they go and add somebody and make this an annoying situation for Jonathan Taylor?

Is are they trying to add somebody to compliment Taylor or do they? I would think more of a backup role because you know, you pay Taylor. He was MVP candidate, you know, three years ago. Um, didn't do anything wrong to, uh, you know, I think warrant coming off the field very much, but their backup situation probably hasn't been ideal for the last couple of years, especially when he's got an injury, so that makes more sense. I just, I just was reading a story out of Minneapolis and that

was one of the notes that they put. They said Chris Ballard's other needs that he, or whatever he said, needs that he wants was tight end running back and then stuff on defense. Again, going back to what Heath said earlier about the running back class, it's very deep. There's a lot of good players at running back. You're going to see teams that already have an established running back, get another one because they're just, they're going to look at their draft board when they're on the clock in round three, four, five, and say, this is the best player. He's, he can help us. Let's get him.

Jamie, I have a question in our dynasty league, Superflex. I've made this trade offer before, and I, you turned it down. I'm pretty sure. I think it was this. Would you, maybe it wasn't this. Sorry. Would you take the third pick of round two for Anthony Richardson? No. He could be. He could be Justin Fields. He could be out of a job in a in half a year. Yeah, but there's there's no win for me in that regard to take the second round. Take a pick in round two for a quarterback that still has top 10 upside. Okay, but this is the 15th pick. It's not like a terrible pick.

There's zero chance anybody should even entertain that offer. It's an awful, awful, awful offer. Why? It's terrible. It is not terrible. It is 100% terrible. Now, if you were giving me something with that pick,

then it's a different conversation. Giving you anything. I wouldn't take two of that pick. I wouldn't take two of that pick. I wouldn't take three of that pick. Well, like if he's so like in that league, I'm a competing team. So if he's giving me, let's say a veteran quarterback that's still starting, you know, to consider the upside of, and I don't know who that guy would be, but you know, it's not, it's not like a Stafford type of player, but you know, like, um, he wouldn't trade me Baker, but you know, you

get the point. Like, you know, somebody that's a, a mid mid tier like Jared Goff and that pick for Richardson with the hope that Richardson turned things around. I'm just going to say in the trade chart, the closest guy is Sam Donald. Right. Like I'm not doing that. So the first five picks of round two last year in our rookie draft, super flex rookie draft were Ricky Pearsall, Lad McConkey,

Trey Benson, Keon Coleman, and Michael Pennex Jr. Okay. So that's the caliber of caliber of player you could be getting with the third pick of round two. There's a 20% chance you could get a better player. Well, first of all, I think I would take, I don't know who, Anthony Richardson's trade value is pretty tough, but I think no way would I take Trey Benson or Keon Coleman. I would absolutely take Lad McConkey. I think I'd definitely take Michael Penick's over him.

Would I take Ricky Pearsall over him? It's very possible. I would not take Michael Penick's over Anthony Richardson. I wouldn't either. Obviously, there's a gamble here. I mean, Anthony Richardson could be completely useless by this time next year. So could Penick's, I don't know.

They invested a first round pick in him. They're gonna just get away from him after one season. I don't think so. Well, you're saying the same thing about the Colts after two seasons. After two seasons, yes. And Richardson, no, but this would be, this would really be three seasons for Richardson compared to one for Penick's. Penick's three games, well, but this would be, this would really be three seasons for Richardson

compared to one for Pennix. Pennix three games, well, I guess you said it's anything Richardson got hurt in his rookie year. But Richardson's on thin ice. He's been horrible. He's been the worst quarterback in football, you could argue. I'm not disagreeing with anything you're saying

aside from the fact that you're making this as Pennix is locked into being a guaranteed starter for 10 years when he's at the age that he's at. I didn't say that. Much more secure than Richardson right now. Right, one of those guys might not be starting in 2026. One of those guys might not be starting in 2025. One of those guys might not be starting in 2025, fair.

Don't tell me it's a terrible trade-off. If you want to turn it down, turn it down. That is not a terrible trade-off. It's an awful trade-off. It's not. Dave, give me some support here, please. No, if you're just liquidating Anthony Richardson, you don't want him on your team anymore,

you would hope to get that type of pick in return. But I think somebody who doesn't necessarily need a quarterback, maybe does in a super flex, would happily give up a round two pick for Richardson, knowing what his upside is. Does it make you feel any better, Adam? His last five games when he came back from being benched, he averaged over 20 per game. That's the thing. I know he's going to be a better fantasy quarterback than actual quarterback, but if he doesn't

win enough games, if he turns the ball over, they're going to bench him. They're going to say, well, he's scoring 24 fantasy points. They don't care. If he's this, if he's throwing, if he's completing 47% of his passes, he's done. So there's so much, there's so much downside with Anthony Richardson. I just think that like basically you're saying what could happen to Anthony Richardson is what did happen to Justin Fields. Yeah. Justin Fields value is not zero right now. Is Justin Fields worth the 15th? 15th overall pick. Yeah, would you take the would you take Justin Fields for the 15th overall pick? Well, he's already gotten like had the thing happened to him. Yeah.

But I actually think the 15th overall pick is definitely worth Richardson's floor. I agree. You're just not accounting for his ceiling. Richardson's floor is worth a fourth. No one's going to pay for the ceiling though. That's the point. No, I get it's a little bit of a low ball offer. I just don't think it's an awful trade offer.

I don't even think that, you know what I stay up. I think it's a fair offer. And I think Justin Fields has been a better NFL quarterback than Anthony Richardson pretty indisputably. He's played like 13 and a fair offer. And I think Justin Fields has been a better NFL quarterback than Anthony Richardson, pretty indisputably. He's played like 13 and a half games. That's another problem, isn't it? Can't stay healthy. All right.

Buffalo and Khalil Shakir agreed on a four year deal worth up to $60.2 million with 32 million guaranteed according to ESPN. Khalil Shakir contract extension. The Chiefs expect Travis Kelce to play in 2025. They're also optimistic about retaining guard Trey Smith, and they wanna bring Hollywood Brown back. You're definitely gonna get a lot of people, general managers saying,

oh, we love this guy, we wanna bring everyone back right now. Speaking of which, the Buccaneers reportedly, they want, well, not reportedly, they want to give Chris Godwin a contract extension. So they spoke glowingly of Chris Godwin, they wanna bring him back. The Bengals intend to make Jamar Chase

the highest paid non-quarterback in the NFL, and they also wanna get a long-term deal done with T. Higgins. The Steelers wanna get a deal done with Wilson Orfields before free agency starts, and they will tender Jalen Warren, and they could re- could resign Najee Harris. Again, everyone bring everyone back. Uh, differences of opinion on Travis Hunter, Cleveland GM, Andrew Berry sees him as a wide

receiver first. Whereas Tennessee head coach Brian Callahan sees him as a cornerback that they would use at times on offense. And those grounds have a lot of cornerbacks already on their roster. If they were to get Travis Hunter, they would use him more as a wide out. I just, you can't, and maybe he falls in the draft, but you can't take a guy that you think

is going to play corner all the time and just occasionally help a wide receiver as a top three or four pick, right? Like nobody drafts a corner that early. I would say the opposite. I would say you can't draft a wide receiver with a top three or four pick, right? Like nobody drafts a corner that early. I would say the opposite. I would say you can't draft a wide receiver with a top three pick that you're only, the cornerback is a more premium position

than wide receiver. That's not available. Both are. Both teams trying to drum up trade interests. Didn't you see legal third, by the way, or fourth? How much do the top corners make? Not as much as the top wide receivers. So why is our corner a more premium position? Yeah, I was thinking in the middle of my sentence,

the wide receiver in the middle of my sentence, I didn't really agree with myself. Derek Stingley went in the third with the third pick, but it used to be that way. But the wide receiver market has exploded. I don't know. What do you think? I think, I think a corner, I don't know. I don't think there's, I guess there's not a big difference to me. The NFL thinks that wide receivers are more valuable. The top cornerback last year was Jalen Ramsey at 24.1 million a year. The top wide receiver, Justin Jefferson, 35 million a year. The NFL has spoken.

Oh gosh, there's like, there's at least 10 wide receivers that made more than Jalen Ramsey last year. It's basically tackle versus guard. Doesn't really seem to make sense though. Travis Hunter wants to be a wide receiver, but isn't he going to the combine as a corner? That's what I, yeah, but he wants to be paid like a wide receiver. But isn't he going to the combine as a corner? That's what he wants to be paid with a wide receiver. Aaron Rogers reportedly according to the New York Daily News prefers the Rams and he would bring Devante Adams

with him. Meanwhile, the Raiders are according to the Las Vegas Review Journal interested in Matthew Stafford. Diana Rossini of the Athletics says the Rams are comfortable with Jimmy Garoppolo as their starting quarterback. I've got him. I've got him in the Superflex league. He's going to be more valuable than Anthony Richardson soon. What are the Rams doing? Oh, the comm I'm not going to doubt the Rams.

They seem to know what they're doing. The commanders have granted Jonathan Allen permission to seek a trade or defensive tackle. Eagles new offensive coordinator, Kevin Patulo is gonna call plays in 2025. The Packers expect Christian Watson back sometime around mid season. Jaguars GM, James Gladstone thinks that Brenton Strange will have a bigger role in the offense and Gladstone will be graduating high school

at the end of the year. You have seen him, he's the youngest. His dad, Joey Gladstone was a popular comedian in San Francisco in the early 90s. Do you think James Gladstone would draft a wide receiver in round one? I think he would. Thank you, Dave, thank you.

Cut it out. Xavier Ligette had foot surgery. The Ravens intend to keep Mark Andrews. They're optimistic about signing Ronnie Stanley, their left tackle. Ashton Genti will not work out at the NFL combine, which bothers me. Bothers me a little bit. Why? Why does that bother you?

Because it reminds me of Marvin Harrison. I feel like if Marvin Harrison had gone to the combine, he would not have been the first receiver. He wouldn't have been the first receiver. That's what I think. Right. And it's like, did he know something that most of the time these guys just want to protect themselves?

Yeah, he could work out as pro day that they know what he is. Not working out of the combine is not that big of a deal. Well, I want his 40 time. That's what I want for Jenny. It's probably out there on the internet. It is pro day. Yeah. I don't want to wait that long. Uh, the 49ers promoted clay Kubi act offensive coordinator and ESPN Jordan Ranann said,

yeah, right. Multiple according to ESPN Jordan Ronan multiple leagues insiders think the giants have their sights set on Shador Sanders. And I have my sights set on a new team for 2025. All right, let's talk. What'd you say? No, you don't. I'm gonna be so upset.

I'm just so excited for Dion to be the coach in 2026. Okay, let's talk about the other guys. Aside from being a hilarious underrated movie. While we're going back to the sophomore running backs? Yeah, yeah, sophomore running backs. I thought we covered the class. Go ahead. We didn't talk about them all.

Did we see any players that are, let me tell you something. James Cook was not a top 40 running back as a rookie. Okay. He was not. I think that's all I've got. Well, Kyron, neither was Kyron Williams. Kyron Williams, that's right.

35 carries as a rookie. So, but I was, but yeah, things happen and we just need opportunities. So- I think that the interesting thing with these guys is similar to this incoming class, except these guys are just more talented, but we've said it already.

Like there were a lot of good running backs that just ended up playing behind players that did not give them opportunities to showcase their skills or they got hurt like in the case of Marshawn Lloyd but like Blake Horum that doesn't compare to the high-end guys in this class but never got an opportunity really Trey Benson never got an opportunity really Braylon Allen Ray Davis their opportunities were minimal you know So Jalen Wright never really got an opportunity. So it's going to be interesting to see when those guys do get opportunities this year, if they are still second on their team's depth chart, can they succeed? Because Benson playing

behind a 30-year-old James Connor, there's an easy path for him getting on the field. Jalen Wright's path has now been cleared because Rene Mostert's been cut by the Dolphins. You know, Kyron Williams was relatively healthy the majority last season, but he dealt with injuries each of the first two years of his career. So can he, you know, miss four games like he did in his second season when he was a breakout running back and then maybe Blake Horum, you know, sort of runs away with it. You mentioned the one game for Ray Davis, you know, Braylon Allen, who knows if he gets on the field, you know, so there, there's some opportunities here for some of these

guys that again, good players, not superstars potentially, but I mean, look at Garendo did in the couple of chances that he got, you know, he had, I think it was five games with double digit carries and for them he was like 11 PPR points or more. So, you know, did have the opportunity to prove himself in a small sample size, and clearly on a great team that features those type of opportunities for that position. But, you know, Jalen writes, in one in particular, that that is very intriguing to me just because of his speed. Is Jordan Mason a free agent? What's his situation?

He's a restricted free agent. Jordan Mason was better than Garendo basically every pretty much every metric and and he played ahead of Garendo right I mean he was the preferred option. He did. So we have to see if they bring him back but they might say. Well I mean keep in mind how everything started for them in the offseason Elijah Mitchell was ahead of both of them. Also true some roadblocks here for Isaac for Isaac Garendo Well, Mitchell's a restricted free agent. Yeah. Mitchell won't be there.

Mason will probably be there. They're going to low tender him and I'd be shocked if another team paid him to come in, especially considering the draft class, considering the other free agents. I was thinking if you're the 49ers, like you're not going to let those two guys leave. You're not going to let Mason leave with Mitchell gone and McCaffrey being in the situation that he's in. So what, what does that cost Dave on the low tender? Because if you really liked it, I don't have that.

I've got to look it up. If you really liked this draft class, could you save a couple million bucks and let Mason go and just take a running back on day three? I'll have to look it up and see. I guess that's a possibility. But again, why would they do that when Mason was so good for them last year? I would like to see more from Trey Benson. He really got only 63 carries, but he averaged 4.6 yards per carry. Same as James Connor,

really good avoid rate, very low rate of carries for zero or negative yards, fantastic rate of carries for five or more yards. The underlying of carriers for five or more yards. The underlying metrics were good for Benson. You can't make too much of it. It was only 63 carries. But when I looked further into like Ray Davis, Braylon Allen, Audrick Estime, I didn't really see these guys. I mean, the numbers bear it out. They didn't really make a lot of big plays. Audrick Estime had 76 carries and one of them went for more than 13 yards. It was a very weird 21 yard gain where basically they thought he was tackled. They stopped playing and he kept going. Braille and Allen had 92 carries. He had one carry longer than 12 yards, which

was weird because I thought Braayley Allen looked pretty good. He only averaged 3.6 yards per carry, but I don't know, I felt like he looked good out there on the field. I don't know if anybody shares that opinion. Some of his biggest plays came in the passing game. But yeah, these guys, they got their chances and they kind of showed what they were in college.

Kind of big bruisers, not runaway players. Benson, on the other hand, we know, everyone said, he's the Ken Walker of this class. He's the boomer bus, like, you know, could hit a home run on any play. So that still exists for Trey Benson. And hopefully he gets the opportunity. Jalen Wright also, Jalen Wright definitely could be

more explosive than some of these other guys. What do we think about Sinincere McCormick? And what do you think about McCormick in Estimé? Who do you think has a better chance of being the starting running back for their team? Oh, goodness. Well, McCormick, if you want to say, you know, good moments as a rookie,

like whole new coaching staff coming in, like that's not ideal for him, especially the way that he got his chance when everybody was injured. Yeah. He was pretty good though. It wasn't bad. Yeah.

And he's cheap. So Pete Carroll and the new staff there might look at him and say, okay, well, we'll keep them at least on the roster and, and see how he does. And Pete Carroll is the kind of coach that if you're the best guy, you're going to play. Doesn't matter how he came into the league. I'll say that six more times between now and the start of the season, but that's just how he is. And if McCormick can adapt, then he might be the more talented running back than Estimé. Estimé feels like more of a plotter than anything else.

I just, this is my favorite sound bite. I'm sorry. The dog. I'm in the middle of making a point and you're playing the dog. Well, Jamie's dog is barking. So I don't know. I just wanted, I wanted him to have some company. They're cutting down a tree behind my house. So the dog is going crazy. There's a dog across the street for me that, that just... Did you get information on sincere McCormick versus Audrick estimate. And you are resorting to morning zoo antics on our show.

We are the, we are the award winners for best audio show in an enterprise field. And this is what you do, Adam. Isn't that right, Mr. Scream? Sorry, you know that reference? All right. I've got the tender offers for Jordan Mason Heath. I don't know if you care. I do, definitely. Lowest number would be 3.3 million. Second round value is 3.5. First round

value is 7.5. Basically being a restricted free agent means your current team can either push you into free agency and let you go have a nice life, or they can give you a one-year contract offer at three different levels. The levels vary based on what compensation it would take from another team to sign you away. So the 49ers, let's just say they put the first round compensation on Mason. He's guaranteed 7.5 million. And if another team wanted to sign him, they would have to give up a first round pick for Mason. No chance. If they really wanted to lock him up, they would have to give up a first round pick for Mason. No chance.

If they really wanted to lock him up, they would commit 7.5 million to him. No chance. Right. But if they think that a team won't even give a second round pick for Mason, then they'll give him a refusal. He's getting the lowest tender. I think the lowest tender, but I'm just saying like, if I had the 49ers and I had Christian McCaffrey and Isaac Gurinder on my team and there were maybe 15 running backs in this class that had the pedigree of a Jordan Mason, I would not pay $3

million to keep Jordan Mason. Well, it's also their MO is they usually spend a day three pick on a running back almost every draft. And so, you know, that they could still do both, you know, again, they, they have to start thinking post McCaffrey life anyway, and Gurinder is 24 and Mason is what probably mid 20s. They're losing Elijah Mitchell, you know, so they may just do it again because. I got a couple of comments from the chat. Aaron star says, I waited all podcast to hear about

my Bronco boy, Audrick and Adam breaks my heart. Did I break your heart? Just as I said, he doesn't run away from anybody. He's I'll give you this. He had two carries inside the three yard line. He scored on both of them. He should probably be their goal line back. Unfortunately, Bo Nix takes some of those as well. Uh, Javante Williams is a free agent. They expressed some interest in bringing him back, but it could just, I don't know why they would. Um, I think there's, there's a reason to be, uh Estima is not going to catch passes. He might be like a Gus Edwards in term, not that bad, but he might be like a 25 catch guy or it's going to be bad.

He might be a young Gus Edwards, but right. Like he could be, he could fill a role, right? Does anybody want to be a little optimistic about Audric Estima? He could, he could absolutely fill a role. And in the matchups where we think Denver will play with a lead and possibly have one of those short yardage opportunities, you could start Audra Gassima as a bi-week running back.

Maybe, maybe even like, uh, a number three running back. Could be the Mark Ingram in the Sean Payton offense. At best. At best. That's like, that is the ceiling. Sure. Someone also said, isn't the Miami offensive line problematic? And yes, yes. It was last year, it's gonna have some new faces this

year. Toronto. Well, that sounds like they're moving on from Toronto. I'm said, who might retire? And then, you know, that's been their best offensive lineman. So it's got it's got to be a big point of emphasis. So I would imagine if they're shopping Tyree kill, they're probably looking to either acquire a lot of assets to get draft capital for offensive line help or maybe trading for an offensive lineman or two or seven. I got one email from Jerry. Oh,

I've got a middle of the pack team. My wide receivers are decent. Brian Thomas, London, Addison, Shakir, DK Metcalf, Jerry Judy. It's pretty good. My running- That's not middle of the pack. No, it's middle of the pack if there's four teams in your fantasy league.

My running backs are trash. I also have pick 103. Would it be worth trading 103 and Judy or Shakir for 101? Yes. Very, very quickly. Or would you rather trade back for multiple picks and get some of the young running backs? I want to go get Ashton Gentry if I can. I think both are applicable, but I agree with Heath. I think if you can get the best player, especially if you have that type of receiving core and

that's all you're giving up, you know, so you're, you're moving up two spots and you're giving up one of those receivers, which in the case of both could easily be not fantasy relevant to the level that you need. Uh, yes. Let me just for fun ask you this. He's got 103. Which wide receivers would you be willing to package with 103 to get 101?

Brian Thomas Jr. No. Drake London. No. Maybe. Jordan Addison. Yes. Yes.

DK McHale. If I had to. DK for sure. Yep. DK for sure. So just definitely not Thomas and probably not London. The other ones go for it. All right. That's it for fantasy football today.

We're going to do FFT Express. Two of them too. Instead of pick 103? No, 103 and two of those. I mean, look, if you feel like Genti puts you over the top, then you do it. All right. We're going to do FFT Express. We'll be back tomorrow with Justify It!

As we look at the results of a recent mock draft. Thanks so much for watching and listening. FFT, talk to you tomorrow.