Fantasy Football Today - Sophomore RBs! Sleepers, Breakouts and Busts (02/26 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: February 26, 2024

Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts and wherever else you listen to podcasts We kick it off with some fun facts (2:30)... about the sophomore running backs. Is Zach Charbonnet the better Seahawks RB? What do you need to know about Jahmyr Gibbs and Bijan Robinson entering 2024? Then we've got a lot of news and notes (9:05) including Tee Higgins getting the franchise tag and what the Chargers offense is going to look like ... Fill in the Blank for sophomore RBs! Sleepers (17:40), breakouts (22:15) and busts (27:50) plus debating Bijan vs. Gibbs (31:35). We talk about Tyjae Spears, Jaleel McLaughlin, Keaton Mitchell, De'Von Achane and more ... Discussing any Year 2 RBs that we may have forgotten (37:50) like Roschon Johnson, Chase Brown, Kendre Miller and Chris Rodriguez. We also talk about a Fantasy stat that helps predict next season's success (50:30) ... Your emails at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179 SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1 Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @ctowerscbs Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Get 20% off Fantasy Football Today merch: https://store.cbssports.com/collections/fantasy-football-today%20?utm_source=podcast-apple-com&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=buy-our-merch&utm_content=fantasy-football-collection Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:43 No, I can't. It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. Monday, February 26th. Welcome everybody to Fantasy Football Today. We are talking about year two running backs, and there's going to be two of them going in the first round. There's going to be a third one going in the second round, most likely, in Devon Achan. You've got Tajay Spears, who's very exciting.
Starting point is 00:02:15 You've got Zach Charbonnet going into his second year. Keaton Mitchell and Jaleel McLaughlin, undrafted free agents, and they factor in this discussion as well. I'm Adam Azer here with Heath Cummings. Heath, how was your weekend? It was a very good weekend. You know, I coached some basketball, won two games, lost one,
Starting point is 00:02:32 got a technical. It was a very weak technical. Oh, you got a technical. I didn't even say anything mean. What happened? We had a three-point shot that went up, and you could hear the hands slap in the air, and they didn't, no whistle. And all I said was, that's a foul.
Starting point is 00:02:52 And apparently I said it too loud and too close to the official, and he teed me up immediately. Actually, he warned me, and the other official from across the gym said, no warning, it's a tee. Oh, come on now. You can't do that. If the guy right there didn't give you a tee, then the guy on the other end of the gym shouldn. It's a tee. Oh, come on now. You can't do that. If the guy right there didn't give you a tee, then the guy on the other end of the gym shouldn't give you a tee. They missed both the free throws and turned it over, and so it didn't end up mattering.
Starting point is 00:03:13 So ball don't lie. You get two shots for a technical. Yes. And the ball? Oh, they get the ball. Oh, wow. That's very punitive. Very steep penalty for saying that's a foul.
Starting point is 00:03:26 Yeah, that's pretty rough. That's pretty rough. All right. Well, you learned your lesson. Welcome to the show, everybody. Hope you all had a great weekend. I had something very embarrassing happen to me yesterday that Heath and Thomas are both aware. Dave, when he gets here, Dave will be here soon. I sent the text to the wrong group. That was really embarrassing. It could have been worse. It could have been worse, but it was so stupid. And I sent it to the wrong group.
Starting point is 00:03:49 I sent it to the work group instead of the family group. All right. So, yeah, we'll talk about the year two running backs. We'll go over the news and notes. We've got Russell Wilson news. We've got T. Higgins news. And let's get into it right now with some fun facts on a few sophomore running backs. Fun fact number one.
Starting point is 00:04:05 Zach Charbonnet, when you look at some of the advanced metrics, he was better than Ken Walker in success rate. He was better than Ken Walker in yards per carry, yards before contact per carry, yards after contact per carry, percentage of carries for zero or negative yards. He was better there. Percentage of carries for five or more yards. Better there. Percentage of carries for zero or negative yards. He was better there. Percentage of carries for five or more yards.
Starting point is 00:04:25 Better there. Percentage of carries for 12 or more yards. What we call explosive run rate. Charbonnet was better there. It was very close, though, in a lot of these categories. I will say that. Ken Walker had a much higher avoid rate, which I know is something that people love.
Starting point is 00:04:39 Like, yeah, much higher. So there was that. Charbonnet, by a lot of metrics, he had just a better year than Ken Walker on about half the carries. I think it was 108 for, yeah, 108 for Charbonnet, 219 for Walker. Most of those don't surprise me
Starting point is 00:04:54 and kind of fit the narrative. The more than five yards, the percentage that went for more than five yards surprised me. But I did expect that he would have a much better rate of carries that went for negative yardage and that Walker would have a better better rate of carries that went for negative yardage and that Walker would have a better avoid rate.
Starting point is 00:05:08 We talked about this going into last year, that Walker is a home run hitter who has had a lot of runs that didn't gain positive yardage. But I do think these are both extremely talented running backs in a system that wants to run the ball a lot. And so there's a lot of upside. There's just more upside for Charbonnet because he's going to be drafted in round eight, round nine, round 10, it seems like. Whereas Ken Walker's going to go in round three or round four. It's harder to make a profit with Walker. And with a new coaching system, it may not be the same split next year.
Starting point is 00:05:40 Yeah, exactly. Walker had, I thought what was surprising in those advanced metrics was that Charbonnet had a percentage, a higher percentage of carries for 12 or more yards. Yeah. But, you know, they don't have the same breakaway speed. It's not even close. Walker has him there. Charbonnet's longest run was 23 yards. And Walker's just faster. Walker's really fast. Charbonnet's not a burner. Now, he's not slow, but, you know, he's not Walker. So, yeah, well, whatever. We'll get into that a little bit more when Dave is on the show. But I guess the question to me is, do you think if Walker goes out with an injury,
Starting point is 00:06:23 does Charbonnet have, you know, Pollard? League-winning upside. Do you think he does? He could be a top five running back in fantasy football. All right. Fun fact number two. We're talking about Bijan versus Gibbs. The Falcons. This is just for fun.
Starting point is 00:06:37 I know they have a completely new offensive coordinator, but it's just funny, I guess. The Falcons led the NFL in running back carries with 450. The Lions were second with 449. That is fun. Yeah. It turns out that being on a team that runs a lot with their running backs is good for running back fantasy production.
Starting point is 00:06:58 Also, they finished back-to-back in PPR scoring for the full season. Bijan played technically two more games, really more like one more game than Gibbs because he had the migraine game. Gibbs was better per game. Detroit, though, and this is, I think, the Gibbs argument, is that Detroit was second in the NFL with 24 rushing touchdowns from running backs. Atlanta had eight. So, yeah, there's different ways to look at this.
Starting point is 00:07:28 Who's going to get more carries? Who's going to get more catches? Who's going to get more touchdowns? I think the answer to that... Of those three questions, which one are you most confident in answering? Between Gibbs and Robinson... Carries.
Starting point is 00:07:40 Yeah. And what? Carries, catches, touchdowns. Let's say rushing touchdowns carries in favor of bijan right that's the one thing that you can look at right um all right so obviously more on that a little bit we'll try to get dave said he's gonna run a little late today he told me to start without him so we're doing that i'm gonna try to kill as much time before he gets here uh so he can have fun and join us in these discussions. FFT Dynasty is twice a week, Tuesdays and Fridays at 11 a.m. Eastern on YouTube.
Starting point is 00:08:10 What do we have planned for FFT Dynasty this week, Heath? Tomorrow, I have Dave Richard and Dan Schneier. Hopefully, Dave will be on time for that one. For a super flex rookie-only mock draft, it's our our first rookie only mock draft of the 2024 season. I am lining up guests for March, probably be releasing that information a little bit later today, but we have got some great guests coming on for March. I've already booked Matt Waldman for the first show of April when we really
Starting point is 00:08:41 get heavy into our rookie draft prep. But yeah, we've got, we got lots of fun stuff coming up. I was hoping to get heavy into my rookie draft prep on March 1st. So I'm just going to take February, not focus on March 1st. Now,
Starting point is 00:08:55 of course I have to do a rookie draft tomorrow for Heath. So you don't have to get heavy into it though, for that. Like you don't, you've only got to make three picks. One of them will be relatively easy because you've got a top seven pick so um it's just gonna be two difficult picks i have the seventh pick in our bake burger dynasty super flex draft and i think that's the worst pick because you've got well maybe maybe you want top five or okay you got three quarterbacks
Starting point is 00:09:24 in super flex right you got the three quarterbacks that are going to go maybe one two three in the draft right you've got two wide receivers in harrison and neighbors right now what do you do at six what do you do at six is it bowers i think yeah i think it really depends on how you feel about Roma Dunze. There are some people that put him up in that tier. And so if you like him and you like Brock Bowers, then there's a lot of people who would tell you the cutoff is right after seven. That seven's an okay place to be. There's also people that would put Troy Franklin up there with a Dunze
Starting point is 00:10:01 as kind of in that not quite Harrison not quite neighbors but still very good wide receiver prospect and at some point like a rookie's going a running back's going to get drafted into a very good situation with decent draft capital and all of a sudden he's going to be a first round rookie pick but I have seen several for rookie mocks and super flex that this time of year don't have any running backs in the first round and uh i i would say think about how different it would feel in a super flex league versus non-super flex league right yeah you know you want a very high pick in a non-super flex league okay uh so news and notes the salary cap increased by a lot, much more than people expected.
Starting point is 00:10:47 And what kind of impact do you think this has? I look at the Russell Wilson situation. Maybe it makes it more palatable for the Broncos to move on. I mean, they're expected to move on from him anyway, but it doesn't kill them as much. Anything that comes to mind for you? I still think it's going to kill them. But the T. Higgins one was the biggest thing that came to mind for me. They already had enough room to franchise them if they wanted to.
Starting point is 00:11:07 Now it's almost easy. Right. It's about a little more than 20, uh, $21 million or something like that. And they already had about $60 million before the new cap. I haven't even looked now at, uh,
Starting point is 00:11:20 the cap space, but the Bengals were among the NFL leaders in cap space and And they will use the franchise tag on T. Higgins according to Ian Rappaport. So we knew that last week, basically. Russell Wilson said he wants to stay in Denver. I don't know if you saw the actual clip. I didn't really feel it. I didn't really believe it.
Starting point is 00:11:36 It felt like lip service. Yeah, I'm sorry. I got distracted by Thomas in the private show chat. And I don't know exactly what's going on, but I have to go search Twitter to find out. We'll talk about that in just a second. I have no idea what he means. Nobody has any idea what he's talking about. Yeah, I don't believe that Russell Wilson wants to stay with Sean Payton at all.
Starting point is 00:12:01 I can't imagine the way he was treated last year that he would want to stay there. But he needs to be a very willing participant until they cut him because he has lots and lots of money that's coming to him. Schaefer writes to us, Taylor Swift helps keep Kirk Cousins in Minnesota.
Starting point is 00:12:20 And we don't know what this means. We don't know. Salary cap was increased probably because of all the revenue from the new fans. Ah, I see. Okay, okay, okay. Yes, thank you, Taylor Swift. The Raiders, according to The Athletic, have not engaged in contract talks with Josh Jacobs yet.
Starting point is 00:12:41 The Bucs are working to keep Mike Evans, according to Jeremy Fowler. The Ravens are not expected to re-sign Gus Edwards. The Colts don't want to use the franchise tag on Michael Pittman, but they could if necessary, especially now. The Rams re-signed wide receiver Demarcus Robinson to a one-year $5 million deal. He had a very strong finish to the season.
Starting point is 00:13:04 And then Dave Richard. How is that news? What? You're here. You singing, not singing, but like squealing my name the way that you did. Well, the way that news works is that when circumstances change, you were not here. Now you are here. That is news.
Starting point is 00:13:26 I don't want you to explain it, Heath. I don't want to make it make sense. I want Adam to explain it. I don't explain. I sing. I squeal. That wasn't a song. That was a squeal.
Starting point is 00:13:37 You squealed my name. The Chargers offensive coordinator, Greg Roman, talked about a running game. He wants a strong running game. And he said, imagine Justin Herbert talked about a running game. He wants a strong running game. And he said, imagine Justin Herbert with a strong running game. And in 10 years as offensive coordinator, his teams have averaged more than 225 passing yards
Starting point is 00:13:58 per game only once. That was Lamar Jackson. His teams threw more than 23 touchdown passes only twice. That was both Lamar Jackson. He threw more than his teams through more than 23 touchdown passes only twice. That was both Lamar Jackson. But I think I mean, I get the sound effects. He's never had a quarterback like Justin Herbert. The quarterbacks that Greg Roman has had have been Alex Smith for one year, Colin Kaepernick for three, Terod Taylor for two, Lamar Jackson for four. So, yeah, it's an interesting fit.
Starting point is 00:14:29 In fairness, I think all of those guys have won more playoff games than Justin Herbert. And in fairness, all of them played pretty well with Greg Roman, right? I mean, you got to give him credit for that. So, I don't know if you'd say that about Taylor, but I'd say relative to the rest of his career, maybe he got a lot out of Terod Taylor,
Starting point is 00:14:48 but Dave, what'd you make of him just talking about wanting a strong run game? I think it's great from a professional football perspective. That's what Greg Roman thinks it takes to win football games. That's what he knows. That's his, that's his bread and butter. Jim Harbaugh knew that when he hired him, Jim Harbaugh obviously agrees with that sentiment.
Starting point is 00:15:09 I kind of agree with you, Adam. Like, obviously I agree that this is the best thrower that Greg Roman's ever had to coordinate, but I worry a little bit about just how much throwing Justin Herbert's going to do this year. What it does do, though, that's going to become the consensus thought, and that's going to push down Justin Herbert's draft value. And you can really win here. I'd have to go back and look at where he went amongst quarterbacks in our mock drafts. We've done three so far.
Starting point is 00:15:39 I'm pretty sure he's not a top six quarterback in any of the mocks that we did. And so the door's open for you to draft a quarterback that's got great upside if it comes to it and still draft another quarterback later if you so choose. And that way you're protected if Justin Herbert doesn't have a big year, doesn't average 225 yards a game. You've got a plan B. But I think that's what's going to happen
Starting point is 00:16:05 here is that an opportunity is going to come where fantasy managers can take Justin Herbert at a, I can't believe it price. It's around seven round eight type price. And you can still get another quarterback in round 11 or round 12, and you'll pair those two together all year. And hopefully one of those two will go off. And of them could be justin herbert who's been awesome in the past fantasy he got off to a great start last year the the thing i struggle with is in terms of thinking about herbert's upside is we have seen like lamar's first mvp year he had a remarkable efficient passion passing season but he threw 36 touchdowns and i'm not sure he threw 500 times. Eight and a half yards per attempt or something. We saw it from Brock Purdy last year.
Starting point is 00:16:52 Low pass volume, but insane efficiency. We've seen it from Russell Wilson and Deshaun Watson. But most of the time, when those guys who are low pass volume but super, super efficient become top five fantasy quarterbacksbacks it's because they also run for 500 yards and six or seven touchdowns herbert could run for 300 um but i don't like i kind of feel like what purdy did last year is pretty close to herbert's upside this year would you take herbert or dac prescott because i think they think they went not back-to-back, but Prescott went ahead of him in our most recent draft. Our most recent draft was the first one we've done since they hired Greg Roman,
Starting point is 00:17:32 and I believe Herbert was QB 9. It went Dak Prescott, then Anthony Richardson, and then Justin Herbert. I'd take both Dak and Richardson over Herbert for sure. I don't have Herbert in my top 12 right now. I've got Herbert in my top 12. Dak for sure. I'd have to double-check between him and Richardson over Herbert for sure. I don't have Herbert in my top 12 right now. I've got Herbert in my top 12. Dak for sure. I'd have to double check between him and Richardson. Okay.
Starting point is 00:17:52 And all right, that's pretty much it for our news and notes. The Steelers release center Mason Cole. The Dolphins are going to release defensive end Emmanuel Ogba and cornerback Zavian Howard. We're going to take a break. We'll do some sophomore running back fill in the blank when we come back on Fantasy Football Today. I am so dreading groceries this week.
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Starting point is 00:19:14 Blank is a good sleeper this season. I'll go first. There's one name that everybody's going to say. I'm going to say Keaton Mitchell. That's not the name everybody's going to say. Okay. say. I'm going to say Keaton Mitchell. That's not the name everybody's going to say. Okay. Well, I'm going to say Keaton Mitchell. Remarkably efficient as a rookie and an offense that produces.
Starting point is 00:19:32 I mean, you're next to Lamar Jackson guys every year, almost average five yards per carry next to him. He needs to get up to where he can consistently average 15 touches, maybe 10 carries to 11 carries, three or four catches per game. But with his ability to be efficient and Lamar Jackson creating rushing lanes and the way that Ravens running back scored touchdowns last year, Mitchell has big time upside and he'll probably be an even better sleeper because they seem to be circling on all of the veteran running backs.
Starting point is 00:20:02 So maybe they sign a veteran running back. It turns out Mitchell's better, and you get him at a big-time discount. How excited would you be to take Mitchell if it's Derrick Henry going to Baltimore? I think it'd be perfect because his ADP would probably fall to around 10, and Henry's 30 years old
Starting point is 00:20:18 and a prime candidate to drop off or get hurt. Mitchell's coming off a torn ACL. Yeah. And I thought, all right, who's your guy? Who are you going to go ahead? Who is the guy that we're going to save the obvious name for the breakout? Cause I think he is more of a breakout than a sleeper. So I'll give Kendra Miller as a sleeper running back in new Orleans.
Starting point is 00:20:38 If Alvin Kamara stays, I still think Miller's got some value. I think he's got a lot more pop than Jamal Williams. Pretty much everybody in the national Football League has more pop than Jamal Williams. Not sold on Taysom Hill being back in New Orleans. And I like the profile of Kendrick Miller. I just don't like the fact that he seems to be a little injury prone. Dealt with nagging injuries all season long. Not that the Saints needed him, but I think in his second season, he's got to be able to stay on the field. But if he does that, I think he's one of those perfect type of late round, middle to late round running back picks that you start with on your bench.
Starting point is 00:21:11 And then hopefully by about week four, week five, you build the confidence to start him. Kendry Miller. Well, let me just see where they went. Keaton Mitchell went in the 10th round to Thomas Schaefer in the draft that we just did last week. Great pick, Thomas Schaefer. Kendry Miller went in the 12th round. There's one guy who went in the 10th round to Thomas Schaefer in the draft that we just did last week. Great pick, Thomas Schaefer. Kendry Miller went in the 12th round.
Starting point is 00:21:27 There's one guy who went in the middle. I'll just throw him out. I think he's very similar to Keaton Mitchell, but not coming off a torn ACL. And that's Jaleel McLaughlin. Yep. And I guess I probably would prefer him to Keaton Mitchell. It's tough. It's a tough one.
Starting point is 00:21:47 It depends how much faith I have in Javon Williams. Today you would because he's not coming off of a torn ACL. But in August, Keaton Mitchell's back in training camp. He looks as fast as ever. Maybe it's not Derrick Henry. Maybe it's someone worse than Derrick Henry. And we just pile on the Keaton Mitchell bandwagon. There's plenty of room for everybody on the Keaton Mitchell bandwagon.
Starting point is 00:22:11 But they don't, I mean, no team through to their running backs more than the Broncos last year. So you're hoping that often can, can have, here's, here's the problem. Is Samaj AP Ryan still going to be there? Yeah. I don't know. Is that a? Yeah. I don't know. Is that a yeah or a yeah? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:22:26 That's a big deal. That's a big deal. Was that a yeet? What was that? It was a yeet. I don't know. Yeah. All right.
Starting point is 00:22:34 Well, anyway, McLaughlin is obviously in that same discussion. So these are undrafted pre-Asian running backs from last year. Keaton Mitchell and Jaleel McLaughlin, who went very similarly in the latest draft we did, and then Kendrick Miller went after him. Let me ask you this. You said he has more pop than Jamal Williams, but I was watching some film of these guys this morning,
Starting point is 00:22:53 and Kendrick Miller, he's a big bruiser. Pop is not the word I'd use for him, and I wonder if he's explosive enough to be anything more than a flex, I guess. Well, I mean, are we starting guys based on how explosive they are or based on how much work and efficiency that they can give? He's not going to be as hyper-efficient as Keaton Mitchell was, but I think he can still be a, certainly more, like I said, more pop than Jamal Williams.
Starting point is 00:23:22 But again, I also said everybody's got more pop than Jamal Williams. Maybe more pop than Alvin Kamara. Did you know that not a single running back on the saints had a 20 yard carry last year? The only two players that had a 20 yard carry were Taysom Hill and the only two players who had a 20 yard carry for the saints were Taysom Hill and... Rasheed Shaheed.
Starting point is 00:23:47 Lynn Bowden Jr. Such a weird stat. All right, blank is a good breakout this season. Bijan Robinson. It's fair. He wasn't that good last year. On a per-game basis, he was a low end number two running back and we're all going to draft him as a top eight pick this year so he seems like he's the guy to put on the cover of the breakouts article nobody argues with you could be the
Starting point is 00:24:17 best running back in fantasy 17th in ppr points per game last. If you break out only the games where he had 15 plus carries, man, he was a lot sweeter. 18.1 PPR points per game. And there were 12 of those games where he had 15 or more, I should say, touches, not carries. We care about the touches. That's what you're looking for when you draft Dijon Robinson in round one. You're looking for 18 PPR points per game.
Starting point is 00:24:42 It's going to be a new offense. It should be centered on him. No more of this BS where he's sharing all the time with Tyler Algier and Cordero Patterson and Jamal Anderson and whoever else is in Atlanta. I think it's going to be the B John show and with a better quarterback there and the offensive line that should still be good enough. I think it'll pay off. So I agree with that call.
Starting point is 00:25:02 Uh, B John, by the way, if you remove the Tampa Bay game, the migraine game, what do you have? One touch in that game? I think he goes up to about 11th per game in PPR. Still was disappointing.
Starting point is 00:25:13 Still a breakout candidate. Yep. And in half PPR, 15th per game. If you remove that, that Tampa Bay game, non PPR 16th per game. All right. Bijan. And then Dave, who are you going to say? Tajay. Let's just talk about Tajay And then Dave, who were you going to say? Tajay.
Starting point is 00:25:25 Let's just talk about Tajay Spears now, because if, if it comes to pass that he's the best running back and you want to talk about explosive running backs, here's one in Tennessee. He he's an easy breakout candidate. Someone that could have 250 touches. No problem.
Starting point is 00:25:39 Prove last year that he can work in the passing. Him had 52 catches. I believe that was tied for the second most among all rookie running backs last year. One fewer target than Jameer Gibbs, and he had more receiving yards than Jameer Gibbs. He had 385, so better efficiency through the air. I think this is going to be a very different Tennessee offense. It's going to look a lot more like, well, it's going to look a lot like the Bengals offense has looked the past couple of years.
Starting point is 00:26:07 It might even look a little bit like the Rams and 49ers offenses. Running backs catch the ball there. He certainly has that in his profile. I don't know if I love where he went in our most recent mock draft. I think it was a round four pick. Last pick of round four, 48th. That's close to where I think he'll end up going uh he might end up going in round four if he is the only show in town and yeah i hate a round four
Starting point is 00:26:34 pick now because we're talking about new regime we have no idea what they think of him and and or how many touches they think he should receive per game. So I agree with Dave that he is certainly a breakout candidate and with all the exciting things that Dave said. But right now, if you're doing best bell drafts, there's an immense amount of risk also. He's one of the biggest movers in our mock, in our full PPR mock from January to February. He rose up 23 spots. That's almost two full rounds, but you're right.
Starting point is 00:27:09 Heath it right now. It seems funny, but if, if Tennessee only adds like a day three pick at running back, maybe they get one of these Burley running backs. You're going to see Spears go pretty early. Some of his highlights are really super impressive, especially his catches. That one catch yet against baltimore he made like 16 guys on an 11 player defense miss um yeah he had a long catch against the dolphins that he actually ended up fumbling but uh yeah i was just watching a lot of of film on these guys this morning and i Spears compared to, nobody's comparing him to Kendrick Miller,
Starting point is 00:27:45 but just compared to some of the other guys I watched, he's not a Chan necessarily, but he's wow. I think super impressive and doesn't have an ACL apparently in one, in one of his knees. So I always, I always wonder about that and if they'll ever let him be a feature back, but he had a hundred carries and 52 catches and was really good.
Starting point is 00:28:08 Advanced metrics are really good. Everything looks great here. Does he have first round upside? Does he have league winning upside? Sure. Sure, I say in the highest possible voice. If it's a situation like I just talked about where there isn't much competition, maybe the Titans – and you said we don't know what the Titans coaching staff thinks of Tajay Spears. We're going to find out over the next. If they go and they sign Saquon Barkley, I'm just throwing out crazy ideas. You're going to know exactly how they feel about Tajay Spears either way.
Starting point is 00:28:51 But if they love him and they don't add anybody, yes, he could have upwards of 250, 275 touches. Say the Titans really work hard to improve that offensive line. Titans work really hard to get Will Levis to throw shorter passes and check downs. Bang. That's somebody who's going to be much better than a round for a late round for ADP. We didn't talk about Devon HN as a breakout.
Starting point is 00:29:16 We'll get to him at some point. He's going to have to be on the field more. And then that would really be a breakout. You know, um, blank will be a bust this season i mean i hate this question and i don't think that there's a good reason to have a strong take right now because there's so many things that are going to change but the most likely i think is hn
Starting point is 00:29:37 um if he's gonna be around 280p and basically was, really good last year in blowouts, um, looks like more likely than not a part-time player who may have a hard time staying healthy. Uh, there's a lot of room for, for a bust in round two. That's the, that's the big answer is HN because you could say Charbonnet is going to be a busk as Kenneth Walker's still there and change an offensive philosophy. You could, you can make the case for any of the other day three running backs. You can make the case for Jameer Gibbs that he's going to get overdrafted a potential top six, seven overall pick. Who's still going to be sharing carries with David Montgomery. But I think A-chan is the one that carries the most risk right now,
Starting point is 00:30:26 I would imagine that if his ADP were around three, people would love to take that chance on him, man. Was he good when he had those opportunities last year, though those 20 point games are tough to overlook. And just like what we talked about with Tennessee, we're going to get five months worth of answers from the Dolphins on how they feel about their running back group and whether they want to stick with the older guys like Mostert
Starting point is 00:30:51 and whether they bring back Jeff Wilson, they could save some money if they cut him, or if they're going to add another running back to the mix. I know they're going to want to use multiple running backs. That's just the thing that Mike McDaniels likes to do. But I think that HM, we really want to see him get elevated and get elevated during the offseason. And then by the time week one comes, it's like almost a no-brainer
Starting point is 00:31:13 that he's a second-round pick. Can he carry the load? He had an 18-carry game, Devon HN. He had a 17-carry game. And in his last season at Texas A&M, he had six games with 18 or more carries and he had a 28 carry game against LSU. We know he's kind of a small guy, but he did do it at A&M.
Starting point is 00:31:33 Some running backs never really get that opportunity in college. A-Chan did. But yeah, we just don't know if he'll stay healthy. Well, and is it the plan for him to carry? There's certainly the question about the injuries and whether he can carry the load. But if you look at his touches and their games that were not blowouts, it was almost always limited to right around 10.
Starting point is 00:31:54 The games where he had 17 carries in a game, they won by 30. He had 40 carries in a game, they lost by 35. He had 18 carries in a game, they won by 50. For the most, like seriously, for the most part, it was single digits or 10 or 11 carries when it was a competitive game. If Josh Jacobs is back on the Raiders, are you going to take Jacobs or A-Chan?
Starting point is 00:32:14 And I will say Jacobs went two spots ahead of A-Chan in our most recent mock. Jacobs for me. I believe I have A-Chan ranked ahead of Jacobs right now. Would you take Rashad White or A-chan? White. They're closer for me, but A-chan's still ahead of White.
Starting point is 00:32:32 Okay. I feel like they had the reverse yards per carry. Rashad White, did he average 3.7 yards per carry? Because A-chan averaged 7.3. 3.6 for Rashad White. Okay, even worse. All right, so is that our only bust? Yeah, I mean, you want to talk about Gibbs as a bust?
Starting point is 00:32:54 How about we do this? Let's talk about this. Not really. This Twitter poll. Oh, Schaefer, I got a new Twitter poll for you if you want to throw it up. Who do you like in half PPR, Bijan Robinson or Jameer Gibbs?
Starting point is 00:33:04 It is currently, after 367 votes, it is currently 50.1% Bijan, 49.9% Jameer Gibbs. Nicely done. Who do you guys prefer, Bijan or Gibbs? Bijan. I have Bijan ahead of Gibbs.
Starting point is 00:33:21 Okay. Heath, did you change on that? Yeah. What made you go did you change on that? Yeah. What made you go to the Bichon side? Hiring a defensive head coach who said that he wants to build the offense around Drake London and Bichon Robinson. That's a pretty good reason. Gibbs talking about him as possibly a bus candidate.
Starting point is 00:33:40 He was, I believe, running back nine per game in the last, let me just check here, make sure I'm right, 10 per game in the last nine games of the season with David Montgomery. In those games, Montgomery had more carries. Gibbs was on pace for 200 carries and 45 catches, but he was on pace for 17 total touchdowns, including 15 rushing touchdowns. And I thought this was really fascinating. In those last nine games, that's after Montgomery came back from an injury. In those last nine games, Montgomery and Gibbs basically split the carries
Starting point is 00:34:12 inside the five-yard line evenly. 11 for Montgomery, 10 for Gibbs. But then let's fast forward to the playoffs. They played three games, and Montgomery had eight carries inside the five-yard line, and Gibbs didn't have one. He had zero. Yet He still scored three touchdowns from 10, 31 and 15 yards out. But I, you would feel, I would feel more comfortable with Gibbs. I feel very comfortable with Gibbs. He's fantastic.
Starting point is 00:34:36 I'd feel more comfortable with Gibbs though. If I, if I knew they were at least going to split the goal line carries or close to the goal line carries. It went back to eight, nothing Montgomery in the playoffs thoughts, Dave makes sense. Lions want to stick with, with their, their bruiser near the goal line. That's what they paid them to do. It's part of the appeal to David Montgomery.
Starting point is 00:35:02 That being said, over the course of 13 games, Gibbs actually led all rookie running backs in touches inside the five did you have that stat no all right he was tied for the leading touchdowns with five he had 11 touches inside the five over the course of the season here's my favorite stat on Gibbs and this is why absolutely positively can't say with a straight face that he's a bust. He had 10 games this year where he played at least 50% of the snaps. He averaged 18.1 PPR points per game.
Starting point is 00:35:35 That's the same as Bijan when Bijan had at least 15 touches. He scored nine touchdowns in those 10 games. I don't think that there's a way that he will consistently be under 50% of the snaps in his second season with Montgomery a year older, Gibbs clearly more explosive, Gibbs working better in passing situations. And I love the fact that Ben Johnson's sticking around in Detroit. That means that that offense will have some serious continuity. They might even add some strength to that offensive line that they've got that can make him just as efficient in his second season as he was in his first season.
Starting point is 00:36:08 I'm encouraged by the future for Jameer Gibbs. Heath? Yeah, I don't think there's – I mean, I don't want to call him a bust. I was enjoying Lawson's comments in the chat. He's mad about Patrick Mahomes. Just for no reason at all and so sorry but no i i like there's not you could make the case for gibbs as a bust and it would be that he's going to be a low end number one running back and you have to draft him in round one and you shouldn't draft a low end
Starting point is 00:36:37 rb1 in round one but he's going to be at least a low end RB1. And he has this upside that if Montgomery misses any time, just forget it. Because in three games without Montgomery, he averaged nine point, he scored 9.2 points per game. And then 27.6 and 29.9 later in the season. So three games, two of them well into the 20s. 27.6 or more. And those were two later in the year.
Starting point is 00:37:06 And the first game he had 17 carries. He just didn't score because nobody scored rushing touchdowns against the Falcons. Lawson says, still zero combos on the air of why the Chiefs haven't had a holding call against them in three Super Bowls. That's exactly what we should be talking about. Why haven't we done a podcast on this yet, Adam? Is that true? That they haven't had a holding call against?
Starting point is 00:37:27 That's okay. I mean, I do believe that superstar players get superstar calls. It's one of my least favorite things in sports. We saw it with Brady over and over again.
Starting point is 00:37:35 I'm pretty sure Jawan Taylor was the most penalized player in the NFL this year, the Chiefs tackle. He earned that, though. I mean, he earned that. That guy can't even line up
Starting point is 00:37:44 on the line of scrimmage. But that's interesting. No holding calls in three Super Bowls. They definitely should have been called at least once. Nick Bosa was getting bear-hugged a couple of times. There were lots of bad calls in the Super Bowl, just like there were in every single game this year. Yeah, or missed calls, right?
Starting point is 00:37:59 I saw this with—I'll go to break in a minute, but as a Yankees fan, Derek Jeter had his own little strike zone that just benefited him so much. I always was like, I'll take it. But it happens with superstars, no problem. Like, get over it, Lawson. Patchmore Holmes is the man. All right, let's take a break and come back
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Starting point is 00:39:07 Remember to follow all traffic signals, be careful along our tracks and only make left turns where it's safe to do so. Be alert, be aware and stay safe. We'll go rapid fire on some of these running backs. I'll ask you a question or just give you a name and you tell me what you think of him. Uh, B.
Starting point is 00:39:28 John Robbins and Jameer Gibbs. We skipped them. Yes, please. All right. Devon H and what is his upside? 20 PPR points per game. RB one.
Starting point is 00:39:40 Yep. Zach. That's why he's going to be around to pick Adam. Give me 30 seconds each on Zach Charbonnet. No, this is one guy I feel like we should spend more time on. I know we talked about him earlier in the show. Dave, you missed it. But his metrics were better than Ken Walker's.
Starting point is 00:39:57 He's not as fast. He's not going to make as many big plays. But he, I think, at least looks like a more consistent runner than Ken Walker. Dave, what do you have to say about Zach Charbonnet? Yeah, he's not a home run hitter, but he can do everything else. And we talked a lot the night of last year's draft over how Zach Charbonnet could work in passing downs. He did work near the goal line. He did a lot of that. He didn't do all of it for Seattle last year. And now I'm sure it's going to be a competition all over again between these two, because it's a new coaching staff, new offense.
Starting point is 00:40:28 Everything's going to be, you know, everybody's starting from scratch in Seattle is probably the best way to do it. There were three games last year where he had at least 18 touches. He averaged 13.2 PPR points in those games. I think we all know what it's going to take for him to get back to that point. It's going to mean something happening to Ken Walker. That's the old, that's the upside with Zach Charbonnet. And I know that Ken Walker isn't exactly like Mr. Iron Man. He could miss some games, missed a game last year.
Starting point is 00:40:55 I would be nervous stockpiling Zach Charbonnet in my leagues, unless it was with like super late round pick, because he seems pretty tied to Ken Walker at this point. I think that's the interesting thing, Dave, is that, again, this is another situation where we've got a complete coaching overhaul. They didn't go get Ken Walker. They didn't go get Zach Charbonnet. We know there are some coaches who prefer that their running back
Starting point is 00:41:24 hit the appropriate hole and pick up five yards regularly as opposed to try to dance and pick up 70 every carry. So I do think that there's at least a small window here that the roles that we saw for Walker and Charbonnet last year are not as defined as what they were last year when both were healthy. I think Charbonnet, the player, is a very good rusher, a competent pass catcher, profiles as better in short yardage than Ken Walker. But I don't know how much of an indication we're going to get before the season,
Starting point is 00:41:56 which is why I'd rather draft Charbonnet than Walker right now because he's going to go so much later than Walker is. There might be enough rush attempts for both of them. This could be a David Montgomery, Jameer Gibbs situation with the way that Mike McDonald's talking. He was the 33rd running back off the board in our February full PPR mock. He's gone 93rd, 98th, and 92nd overall
Starting point is 00:42:19 in our three mock drafts so far. So eight or nine? Round eight, round nine? That's right toward the end of round eight. And Walker's probably going in the fourth. Is that right? I will tell you right now. Walker's gone.
Starting point is 00:42:30 All right. So in January, he went 17th. February, he went 41st. In our half PPR, he went 42nd. So round four for Walker. Late round eight for Zach Charbonnet. You can only have one who you take him. I can have both.
Starting point is 00:42:46 I have both the fourth and an eighth round pick. But that's not the question I asked. Pick one. Pick one. Who's got the better value? I take Charbonnet, I think. Yeah, Charbonnet. I think I would, too.
Starting point is 00:42:58 Yeah. Yeah. So I'll be the nerd and lean with Walker since I think he's the one that that coaching staff might veer toward first. I would say that even though I was probably hit the highest on Walker last year in draft season, I was pretty disappointed with him. Not necessarily as a fantasy asset, but just as a rusher. I don't think he became a more consistent runner, even though Pete Carroll said he did.
Starting point is 00:43:26 The numbers don't really back it up. And this past coaching staff was not willing to use him as a pass catcher, which I think is a mistake. I don't get it. I think when he had the games where he was getting some catches, he could do something with it. Because we know he'd just get the ball in his hands. But they didn't trust him there.
Starting point is 00:43:56 Charbonnet was the two-minute, four-minute guy. So I think there's a lot of bust potential with Ken Walker, unless his role changes, which of course we won't know because they have a new coaching staff. But it's something to keep an eye on. I mean, I think you could make the case that a defensive head coach is more likely to prefer the guy who keeps the chains moving and keeps the defense off the field and doesn't make mistakes. Sure. Yeah. But it's speculative. The, I think the role to me is the one that I was more talking about was, do they use Ken Walker more in the passing game or do they keep Charbonnet
Starting point is 00:44:19 in that role or someone else? You know, I would, I would like to see Walker more involved in the passing game is if he isn't, I think he's just got a lot of bus potential. All right. We got Tajay Spears.
Starting point is 00:44:30 We spent a lot of time on him. Roshan Johnson. Give me a quick thought on Roshan Johnson. I was really disappointed in the way his rookie season went. I don't feel super... He's going to have to be a double-digit round pick for me to be super excited right now. I don't think he's necessarily better as a rusher than Khalil Herbert.
Starting point is 00:44:53 Now maybe the quarterback change will change the offense enough to where there's a lot of running back targets, but the guy who didn't throw a lot to his running backs in Seattle is now going to be calling the offense in Chicago, Shane Waldron. So I don't necessarily see a huge opportunity for a pass catching back in that offense, even if they go with Caleb Williams over Justin Fields. What are the odds that he's the lead back for Chicago by the time training camp opens? 25%. 20%. I think it's hard to say that it's going to be higher than that because Khalil Herbert still figures to be there.
Starting point is 00:45:28 Foreman's a free agent. They can either re-sign him or they can do what we've talked about half a dozen other teams, a half a dozen, a full dozen other teams doing, and that's drafting somebody to come in and take work away. I do know that this coaching staff, which is mostly the same from last year, and that includes that staff, which is mostly the same from last year, and that includes that coach, loves this guy. And I heard a rumor that he was their guy and that they wanted to begin with him as their lead back this year. I don't know if I can believe that he's going to keep that.
Starting point is 00:45:56 I think he was good. I think he was effective but not necessarily explosive. Certainly fine in the receiving game, 6.1 yards per catch he went a hundredth overall or later in each of our three mocks if the bears don't do much at running back he's gonna make a jump not quite as big as tige spears but still probably in around six as a speculative rb2 this is roshon Johnson. We're talking about, would you rather have Roshon Johnson or Chase Brown of the Bengals?
Starting point is 00:46:30 It's Roshon for now, but you know what could happen in Cincinnati that could change that. Yeah, well, right. So Chase Brown, we didn't talk about him as a sleeper or a breakout. He could fit those roles. He absolutely could.
Starting point is 00:46:42 Do you think the Bengals will view him as a starting running back or just a complementary piece? Dave? Oh, I would guess that that would be more of a complementary piece than a starting running back. So much of it comes down to whether or not Joe Mixon is there. If Joe Mixon takes another reduction in salary, he will be there.
Starting point is 00:47:06 It's going to happen. And then Chase Brown will be probably their third down back. I would imagine that that's going to be where he'll land up. He did a good job catching the ball this year, had a huge receiving play that pumped up his yards per catch to 11.1. Probably a more fair number is right in line with what Roshan got, which is 6.1. He's a good, he's, he's almost like Roshan Johnson in that he's, he's an effective running back.
Starting point is 00:47:31 He can give you a rushing presence. He's not going to speed away all the time. If he ends up being the lead guy in Cincinnati, yes. Another meteoric rise in a, in draft ADP, he'll be like, he might, he might be higher than round six. He could end up being late round four, early round five. Okay, that's Chase Brown. So do you think any of these guys are anything more than handcuffs? Tank Bigsby,
Starting point is 00:47:55 Eric Gray, Israel Abinakanda. He's definitely a handcuff. Yes. They're all handcuffs. At best. If they may, right. At best. Those are important words. Yes. They're all handcuffs. At best. If they may. Right.
Starting point is 00:48:06 At best. Those are important words. That's if they make the team. What about Eric Gray? You could see the Giants letting go of or not re-signing Saquon Barkley. I would find it very, very surprising if they decided they were going to go into next year with Eric Gray as their lead running back. No, but he could be a piece of their run game. If they end up using two to three guys,
Starting point is 00:48:28 no, his rushing average was in the toilet. I don't think I want the 1B on the Giants. I would still rather have handcuffs. How do you feel about Chris Rodriguez on the Commanders? Is he going to get opportunities? I would hope so. He had a nice rookie season. i think he averaged 4.8 yards per carry he did which is only six yards per catch he's an interesting dude adam because
Starting point is 00:48:52 per catch i mean he you can't do that he had two catches he's uh he's huge he's 224 pounds i mean he's no right he's he's a different type of running back than what we've really talked about we i mean some of these running backs are pretty big guys but he's big right. He's, he's a different type of running back than what we've really talked about. We, I mean, some of these running backs are pretty big guys, but he's big, he's physical. I think he can catch the ball. I remember in senior bowl practice two years ago, he was catching the ball really well. So it's silly to bring up that he averaged six yards per catch, but I think catching the ball is part of his profile. They're going to move on from Antonio Gibson.
Starting point is 00:49:22 At least that's my hunch. Maybe Rodriguez takes over that role. Oh, I can't see that. I mean, he just doesn't. Let me see how many catches he had in college. Maybe I'm just like a big dude. And I think Rob, I think he could take over Robinson's role if Brian Robinson doesn't do well.
Starting point is 00:49:38 And then they say, all right, let's, let's let this Chris Rodriguez guy have a chance. He had a two touchdown game against theets last year when Robinson was out. I think we were really high on Antonio Gibson that week because the Jets were just such a layup. And Gibson had a good game too, but Robinson had 10 carries, 58 yards, and two touchdowns. Rodriguez had 20 catches in college. Chris Rodriguez, yeah, I must be on crazy pills for thinking that.
Starting point is 00:50:03 He had one 13-catch season. Yeah, you're not going to do that. That's okay. All right. Deuce Vaughn. Taking it back on C-Rod. Deuce Vaughn for Dallas. Zach Evans for the Rams. Dwayne McBride for the Vikings. Kenny McIntosh for the Seahawks.
Starting point is 00:50:19 Did I say any interesting names there? Deuce Vaughn, Zach Evans, Dwayne McBride, Kenny McIntosh? No. Amari DiMercato. Of course you did not. Sean Toney. DiMercato is the most interesting. McIntosh was good in college.
Starting point is 00:50:32 I think we found out exactly what the ramps think of Zach Evans after Kyron Williams got hurt in the middle of the year. Isn't it interesting that Mitchell and Keaton Mitchell and Jaleel McLaughlin being undrafted free agents? There's one more. Who? Imari DiMarcato. I just said him.
Starting point is 00:50:52 He said DiMarcato is the most interesting of that list. Oh, okay. Well, I like saying his name. Imari DiMarcato. Yeah. There's actually a decent history of undrafted free agent running backs being good for fantasy don't ask me to name all of them but like usually for one year though yeah arian foster would be the best uh i think alfred morris was he undrafted
Starting point is 00:51:15 nope no around six seven uh there are some i remember this but I can't remember the names off the top of my head. Oh, James Robinson, right? James Robinson, but that's right to Heath's point. He lasted a couple of years, and then it was curtains. Dave wanted to bring up Heath's quote
Starting point is 00:51:40 tweet. Oh, good. This is a dangerous territory. No idea what you're talking about. I've got many of them. You don't remember what you quote tweet? I quote tweet all kinds of things, good. This is a dangerous territory. No idea what you're talking about. I've got many of them. You don't remember what you quote tweet? I quote tweet all kinds of things, Dave. It was the one about stickiness. Stickiness, yeah. It was a good quote tweet. Do we have it?
Starting point is 00:51:56 Here we go. Schaefer's going to bring it up. Yeah, that was from Ryan Heath? Yeah, Heath only quotes people named Heath. Great, great name. And Ryan does really great work and has lots of interesting tweets like this,
Starting point is 00:52:12 so you should follow him on Twitter. But yeah, it was basically highlighting which wide receiver statistics are A, the stickiest, in other words, more likely to be similar next year, and B, correlate to next year's fantasy points per game, which are the two things that we really care about, right? And yards per carry. What's that?
Starting point is 00:52:38 And yards per carry, of course. Well, I haven't seen the running back version of that, but I will make sure to tag you in it when he puts it out there so we can see how high yards per carry ranks on the list um it was a good reminder like we use a lot of advanced stats to try to find the edge like to try to find the little edge over things but a good starting place is still what did they do last year um there are very few things. In fact, I think on this list, maybe first downs were the only thing that came out as more sticky and predictive of next year's fantasy points than last year's fantasy points. So a good argument against a player is not, well, I don't care what he did last year.
Starting point is 00:53:20 Tell me what he's going to do this year. Because what he did last year is highly predictive of what he's going to do this year because what he did last year is highly predictive of what he's going to do this year also i think it's interesting to look at this and see what's trending in schaefer's twitter uh do you follow cricket because you have a cricket player trending that's interesting though if he married Ryan, his name would be Heath Heath. That is true. Heath squared. It was an interesting tweet. Check it out.
Starting point is 00:53:52 And let me just see. I just want to get that guy's Twitter handle. I can find it for you. QBL Ryan. At QBL underscore Ryan. Is there an underscore there or no? I don't think there's an underscore there. Put your glasses on. There's no underscore. At QBL underscore Ryan. Is there an underscore there or no? I don't think there's an underscore there. Put your glasses on.
Starting point is 00:54:08 There's no underscore. It's so hard to read on that screen. It really is. At QBL Ryan. Give him a follow. Let's read some emails at fantasyfootballatcbsi.com. The first one is a great email from Tim. Where's Tim from?
Starting point is 00:54:23 Let's go with Moon County, Pennsylvania. Adam, I don't know how many people are on your side, but since July when you announced you baked a burger, I have supported that idea. I actually thought it was quite smart. Eight months later, I have baked a burger. He waited eight months, and it will be a new go-to way to make a burger without
Starting point is 00:54:40 a grill. And since I don't have a grill, I will do it often. It's way better than on the stovetop for several reasons one more control i got the burger to a perfect 165 degrees with little work two it's cleaner i don't have to scrub anything i toss that j onto some tinfoil and a pan and bingo don't even have to clean the pan uh just threw out theil. And three, it tastes freaking fine. I'm not a professional chef. Even if I made it to the grill, I wouldn't have done that much better of a job. It's marginal based on my skill. Yes, that is exactly right. I am not good enough to make a good burger on the stovetop. That's why for people like me, for people like Tim from Pennsylvania,
Starting point is 00:55:25 a baked burger is perfectly fine. That's what I'm going for when I make dinner. Freaking fine. There we go. Okay. Thank you. Here's a better email for fantasy purposes. Michael in Pennsylvania wants to go over some fantasy
Starting point is 00:55:41 draft strategies that we had last year and if they hit or if they missed and if we do them again this year. over some fantasy draft strategies that we had last year, and if they hit or if they missed, and if we do them again this year. Drafting a top seven quarterback in the earlier rounds. I wouldn't necessarily say earlier rounds, but drafting a top seven quarterback, clear miss.
Starting point is 00:56:03 This was a big miss for anyone who did it like me. But yeah, big miss. Right, but does that mean that we wouldn't do it again this year? I'm less likely to do it this year. And I don't, I don't, like I think it was largely a fail, but Allen and Hertz were worth it. Were they? Because they weren't, they didn't have typical Allen and Hurts seasons. But the rest of the position was like there was only two really,
Starting point is 00:56:28 really good guys. They were like five points better than everybody else. Yeah, but you could have had Dak. Could have drafted Dak later and been really happy with that. I know. That's only one example, right? You could have. Yeah, you could have.
Starting point is 00:56:40 You could have drafted Cousins. Dak was better than Hurts on a per-game basis. Yeah. I think overall it was a miss to prioritize quarterback last year especially and it's just it's and the bigger underscore is don't be one of the casuals that takes a quarterback in round one we've been screaming that from the rooftops if it's a one qb league don't fall into that trap. You'll see it in ADP that Josh Allen will go. He might not even have a round one ADP this year. It might be around two, but I just don't think it's worth it ever in a one QB league, two quarterbacks, super flex, totally different story. But in a one QB, I don't think I'm,
Starting point is 00:57:19 I think around three would be the absolute earliest. I would even think about taking a quarterback. Okay, next strategy. Drafting one of the top two tight ends in round one or two. Was that a hit or a miss? Kelsey or Andrews? Miss. Big miss if it was Andrews. And less of a miss, but very frustrating if you took Kelsey.
Starting point is 00:57:39 You won't have to do that this year. I don't think anybody's going to look at getting those guys. Going zero RB strategy. Drafting in the sixth round or later? Big win. Big win. Best year for zero RB that I can remember. Which means next year it's probably going to be a terrible strategy.
Starting point is 00:57:56 Unless we have the same trend of eight-ish, nine-ish running backs going in the first two rounds. It was such a low... In terms of that in the first two rounds. It was such a low... In terms of that, the first two rounds were so wide receiver heavy, and we had three quarterbacks
Starting point is 00:58:11 going in the first two rounds, and we had two tight ends. So I actually don't think it's going to be the case, right? Because you're not going to have as many quarterbacks or tight ends this year going in the first two rounds. But either way, you know, the Kyrens of the world,
Starting point is 00:58:22 the Rashad Whites, the Camaro was a unique case. Not going to happen again in the same number, uh, loading up on second year breakout wide receivers. Yeah. Terrible miss. Big miss.
Starting point is 00:58:36 Big miss. Yeah. All these strategies were bad. It wasn't necessarily Garrett Wilson's fault, you know, or Drake London's oran Dotson's. They did not work out. I don't put that in the same category as Garrett Wilson, though.
Starting point is 00:58:53 George Pickens actually did work out after you dropped him. Yeah. There's still one more strategy coming that I think worked out. Or is this the list? Loading up on rookies. I don't remember that as a strategy, but I think it worked okay. Yeah,
Starting point is 00:59:14 that's good. Isn't the answer to all these? It depends. It depends on who you took. It depends on what you got. Did zero RB work out if you didn't get Raheem Mostert or Kyron Williams? I don't think we can be that specific, basically. But that's kind of the answer.
Starting point is 00:59:28 No, I don't agree because the bottom line is it was a great year for 0RB. And most fantasy managers had someone. I mean, there were so many 0RB guys that worked out. You'd have to say that strategy worked overall. It may not have worked for everyone. And there were so many running backs who were drafted high who were bad.
Starting point is 00:59:50 Yeah. I mean, that might be the lesson. Handcuffing players. Did that strategy work? I don't know. I don't think so. No, it didn't. What handcuff did well?
Starting point is 01:00:06 Kyron Williams. You well? Kyron Williams. If you handcuffed Kyron Williams, that worked out extremely well. Okay, what was the strategy you wanted to talk about, Heath? Not drafting hurt players. Oh, okay. That wasn't in the email. But yeah, that did work.
Starting point is 01:00:22 Or we had the don't draft old players. Don't draft old. That's it for today's show. These old men are going to take a little break. It's 11 o'clock. It's time for Heath to have lunch. I'm also
Starting point is 01:00:40 starving. I wish I didn't have to edit right now. All I want to do is eat lunch. I've got some leftover seafood pasta with scallops and shrimp. Yeah. That sounds pretty good. I just wish I had a public microwave to heat it up in. What do you mean? Oh, to ruin it for everyone else?
Starting point is 01:00:56 Yeah, seafood. Oh, yeah. Great in the microwave. I'm glad you're not at the office. I've gotten chicken salad from three different places in the last three weeks, and they've all been completely different. Completely different. I'm having trouble figuring out which one I like the best.
Starting point is 01:01:12 That's my story. It sounds like you've had an exciting three weeks. Okay, one more. Look at the poll. Bijan Robinson, 51.4%. Jameer Gibbs, 48.6%. We'll be having this discussion for the next six months. Talk to you later, 51.4%. Jameer Gibbs, 48.6%. We'll be having this discussion for the next six months. Talk to you later, everybody.

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