Fantasy Football Today - Sorting Out WRs 10-18: Highest Floors, Most Upside, Biggest Risks (06/04 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: June 4, 2025

Once we get past the first nine wide receivers, how do we feel about the next group? Dave, Jamey and Heath give their thoughts on WRs 10-18 in the consensus PPR rankings. This includes Tee Higgins who might be the first off the board in this group. We talk about him and give an overview of this range of WRs to start the show before hitting the news and notes (16:15). How concerned are we about C.J. Stroud's shoulder? ... WRs 10-12 (22:00) are Drake London, Higgins and Ladd McConkey. How much do they stand out from the WRs being drafted after them? Is London a lock for big target volume? ... WRs 13-15 (35:40) are Jaxon Smith Njigba, Tyreek Hill and Davante Adams. Why is JSN ranked ahead of the older guys? Is Adams safe even at age 32? And finally we talk about Terry McLaurin, Rashee Rice and DJ Moore (43:50). Rice could end up well ahead of where he is currently ranked as he recovers from a knee injury ... Your emails at [e-mail] Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts Watch FFT on YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Shop our store: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠shop.cbssports.com/fantasy⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  SUBSCRIBE to FFT Express on Apple: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-express/id1528634304⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow FFT Express on Spotify: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/6qyGWfETSBFaciPrtvoWCC?si=6529cbee20634da8⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ FOLLOW FFT Dynasty on Spotify: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ SUBSCRIBE to FFT DFS on Apple: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dfs/id1579415837⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ FOLLOW FFT DFS on Spotify: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/5zU7pBvGK3KPhfb69Q1hNr?si=1c5030a3b1a64be2⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow our FFT team on Twitter:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @FFToday⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @AdamAizer⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @JameyEisenberg⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @daverichard⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @heathcummingssr⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Join our Facebook group⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Sign up for the FFT newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fan To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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This is gonna go the distance! Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie and Heath. I hate fantasy football right now. It's so stressful. It's June. Leave me alone. Well, I mean, Heath and Jamie, just leave me alone. You're all in my space. Adam Hazer, you are on the clock. We started our dynasty draft, our bake burger dynasty rookie draft today or yesterday.

We started yesterday. The guy with the first pick took almost 24 hours to pick because he wanted to see some trade offers. Didn't get anything he liked, took dash and genti. Guy with the second pick wanted to see what trade offers he could get. He took a little bit of time. He took Travis Hunter and now I am on the clock. We don't have to talk about this. We have wide receivers 10

through 18 to discuss today. I'm sure we'll get back to the dynasty. Thomas Thomas do a YouTube poll and that determines your picks and you're not sure what you want to do. Maybe, but I think there we need a little bit of a setup here because there's a lot of things to consider. But today's topic is wide receivers 10 through 18. In our consensus rankings for PPR, wide receivers 10 through 18, remember, there's a top nine that seems pretty set. 10 through 18 are Drake London, T Higgins, Lad McConkey,

Jackson Smith and Jigba, Tyreke Hill, Devonte Adams, Terry McLauren. I feel like this is too many. 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, and Rashi Rice and DJ Moore. I was right. So it's nine wide receivers. It's London, Higgins, McConkey, JSN, Hill, Devonte Adams, McLauren, Rashi Rice, and DJ Moore. They got a mix of different profiles in this group here.

Heath, how do you feel overall about these wide receivers that are going to be going anywhere from middle of round two to maybe early round four, middle round four, maybe in some cases? So, while I agree with you that there's kind of a clear top nine, I view the top of this group. I don't think this is all one tier. I feel much more excited about the first two or three names that you say, especially Drake, London, Terry, or lad, McConkey than I do about the rest of this tier.

Even Higgins. How do you feel about Higgins? Well, yeah, Higgins is, I would put Higgins even in the tier above, but yes, definitely Higgins. Those three guys are on a different level for me than anybody else you said. Okay, so those three guys are London, Higgins and McConkey. Dave, same question to you. How do you feel about this group of receivers? I feel good about them. Would I feel good about having two of these guys as my top two receivers on my fantasy team?

Probably, because it would mean that I would have a theoretically a stud running back in round one. Maybe I'd get really lucky and get like two stud running backs with my first two picks. I've never done that before. And then take two of these wide receivers to round out my first four picks. They don't carry the same type of appeal or upside as the elite tier wide receivers do, but they can still be productive, mostly consistent, I hope, types of fantasy options, especially in PPR. Trey Lockerbie Okay, Jamie, same question to you. So again, the receivers are London, Higgins, McConkie, JSN, Tyreek Hill, Devante Adams, Terry McLaurin,

Rashi Rice, DJ Moore. How do you feel about this group? You start to see the fall off. You know, I think Keith is, you know, right with the first three guys are a little bit different than the rest of the group. And I would very much like to take a wide receiver early in round one, and take two wide receivers late in round two, late in round two, excuse me, early, early round two, late round one and take two wide receivers late in round two, uh, late in round round, excuse me, early, early round two late in round one. Um, just because I think the running backs that will be available in the same range as these wide receivers are much better than where these wide receivers are, at least the word they feel like coming in.

Okay. I, I try to look at, um, the last four years of who was drafted in this range at wide receiver wide receivers receivers 10 through 18. Now for this show, we're using consensus rankings. For this exercise, I used fantasy pros PPR ADP to see which wide receivers went 10 through 18 in drafts over the last four years. I'd say last year was pretty solid. Last year we had Devante Adams who went as wide receiver 10,

he was wide receiver 12 per game. Drake London who was wide receiver 11 in ADP and he was overall, he was wide receiver four, 14th per game. We had Olave who was a bust. We had Nico who was great when he was healthy. We had Evans who was maybe on his way to being a bust or a mild bust, but you know, Godwin got hurt

and Evans ended up being a good pick. Debo was a bust, Iyuk was a bust, Michael Pittman was a bust or a mild bust, but you know, Godwin got hurt and Evans ended up being a good pick. Debo was a bust. Ayuk was a bust. Michael Pittman was a bust. They were 15, 16 and 17 in ADP. And then Cooper Cup actually wasn't really a bust if you're talking about non-injury. He was wide receiver 23 per game. He was horrible in the last three games.

He was actually fantastic for much of the year when he played. So I just told you that we had in this range, Chris Olave, Debo Samuel, Brandon Iyuk, Michael Pittman and Cooper Cup. And yet compared to the other three years, the preceding three years, 21 through 23, this is actually pretty good. I mean, I haven't, I didn't do this with running backs. But I mean, wide receivers 10 through 18. I think you should expect half of them to be busts based on what I've seen over the last four years.

I think part of the problem is, is that these guys are going to be like round three and round four picks. Whereas in previous years, they were probably around four and five picks. Wide receivers 10 through 18. I don't not the top half. But I mean, you know, 1415 15, 16, 17, 18, those guys. I could check. I don't know about round five, but yeah, I mean, I guess we're probably seeing we're in the middle of a maybe not last year, but you know, as you start to go back that you throw the quarterbacks and the tight ends in this range, plus the running backs, we know

where they're going to where they're going to go. I don't think there's a single name on this list that's outside of round four in our early ADP. Is there a single name on this list that you think is bust proof? Bust proof? I mean London, T. Are we ruling out injury? Yes. Yeah. Then I would say this might be, I guess he could still decline, but Adams feels pretty safe to me. And I think I'm a little lower because of the age, but like you look at what he's done

every single year with different quarterbacks and different target competition and just hasn't seen a matter. Okay. Jamie anyone that feels bus proof to you London and Higgins. I'm just trying to do some quick math here on Higgins. I'm going to give you I'm almost done. I'm going to give you his points per game. Nope, screwed that up his points per game. Nope, screwed that up. His points per game last three years with Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase being healthy and trying to eliminate any games that Higgins has left early with injuries because there's actually a lot of those. So last year Higgins was at 18.6 points per game.

It was the whole season or all of his games. This past year, sorry, so last year 18.6, 2023, 12.8. He kind of stunk in 2023. He was a bust. In fact, he was one of the names on the list of wide receivers drafted in this range that was a bust. Okay, now 54 plus 87 plus 119.2 divided by 17, 15.3 points per game.

So over the last three years, T Higgins, when Jamar Chase and Joe Burrow have been healthy, and he has been healthy, has averaged 15.3, 12.8, and 18.6 PPR fantasy points per game. What do you make of that? That's a huge range of outcomes for him. The 2023 season, how much was Joe Burrow actually healthy for just playing? Yeah, right.

That's why I liked Higgins going into 2024 is because I actually felt like Burrow got off to a horrible start in 2023. And Higgins suffered for that. Higgins really only played three games with like good Joe Burrow last year. And he left one of those games early, of course, where he played like half the snaps. So I was kind of willing to throw that away. It seems like you are as well. Yeah, not last year 2023. Yeah, it was just a just a bad mix, I think, for almost I mean, I know Chase was still good but he was also not as great as he was a year ago. So you know Burrow with the calf injury coming into the season never really got right and

then had you know when he finally got going as you said the wrist injury happened. So yeah I think barring injury there's a lot to love about what T Higgins can be, what Drake London can be. Obviously, we're excited about McConkie. But again, I think JSN is close to this, but some uncertainty clearly with a new quarterback. So you just start to again, see the fall off. I'm going to get into all these guys, so I don't want to nitpick it, but there's, there's, there's a pretty big sliding scale, I think once you get past the guys who should be round two picks, which are the three guys that we keep mentioning. And I kind of think like he basically has one year at his average over the last three years, one year, 15% worse, one year, 15% better.

It's been a wide range, but if he scores 15 fantasy points per game, you're going to like them in this range. If he scores 18, then you got an enormous value that was worth a borderline first round pick. And if he scores 12, then he, then he busted, but when you just kind of had a good year, a bad year and a great year, the last three. Let me ask you this. Yeah.

Do you think he averages over nine targets per game again? No. No. Okay. And do you think he will ball out? Last year just does feel a little bit like an anomaly for T Higgins. Look at his prior averages. Forget about 2023, but 2022, 2021. He was never better than 15.2. He we all knew he was in the contract here. He was playing for a new deal. He scored a ton of touchdowns. What are the chances that he can replicate that slash replicate nine targets per game again? We're not drafting him.

That's what worries me a little bit for T Higgins. But that's that's saying I'm worried the number 10 wide receiver is not going to be performed like a top five wide receiver. Because we're not at we're not drafting him to do what he did last year. Right. But I don't want him to be at the number 18 wide receiver either. Like I want him to be if I if if I'm drafting him as the 10th receiver off the board, I want him to get me 1617. Yeah, so so I threw out that 15.3 number, which is what he averaged with Burrow and Chase three years ago, T Higgins. That's kind of like wide receiver 18 ish over the last few years. So if you took Higgins in the second round, that only got 15.3 points per game, I do think

that would be what I would call a mild bust. And there are a lot of those, like you think about like Jalen wattle and Devante Smith and that year when a larvae remember that you're they're all getting drafted kind of early and that's kind of what they did. They were like mild busts, you know, we don't it's not gonna kill you. But you want you want like big I don't know you probably want 16 points per game from anybody being drafted in the first two rounds. So alright all right, let's let's move on. And we've got some news and notes to get to Heath, what's coming up on

FFT dynasty this week, we're gonna do a super flex startup mock draft first one of June, you guys want to participate in that I haven't sent the email yet. Sure. On the air. It will be on the air and you're welcome. I'd love to have you on the air.

It's always great when Adam Azer comes onto the dynasty, but I was just asking you to do the actual mock. Yeah, I can do it. No problem. All right, great. So FFT dynasty, it's in the FFT feed, but also there's the regular FFT dynasty feed. You guys get an email yet? An email address yet?

We do. Oh, nice. I just I just saw that I have not memorized it yet. But I believe it is fantasy football today dynasty at paramount.com. And I will clarify that right now. FFT dynasty at paramount.com that's FFT dynasty at paramount.com it goes directly into your inbox just like you asked. Yes, you can send emails for this main show to fantasyfootballatcbsi.com.

And for Heath's show, FFTdynastyatparamount.com. Paramount.com, is that what it was? It was Paramount, yes. Okay, great. All right, let's take a quick break here. We got news and notes for you, including an update on CJ, not really an update on CJ Stroud's shoulder. We'll be right back on FFT.

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supply. Visit your GTA Volvo retailer or go to Volvo cars.ca for full details. News and notes. So sorry, just getting some trade offers here in the in the big. What do you got? Why don't you tell us what your trade? Well, actually, it was the what did I say? Did I say what the offers were on the air or off the? No. Okay. Okay. Because one of the ones I told you off the air was withdrawn. So I thought maybe I'd set it on

the air and the person who who sent it had heard that I wasn't going to take it. It was, it was Dak Prescott for, um, the third overall pick in a super flex league and a third overall rookie pick. That would be a great offer if you had a competitive team. Maybe. Yeah. You're saying my team's not competitive. I think three of your players are. I don't think that offers, it's too much to get into right now.

Let's get to the news and notes. Jamie, what do you think about Domeco Ryan's Domeco Ryan? Excuse me. Not not commenting. He was asked if CJ Stroud had an off season procedure on his shoulder because right there they're saying Stroud has just general soreness and he's fine. And Ryan's wouldn't even answer the question. You don't love that. You know, you'd like the coach to obviously be transparent and either say that there was a

procedure or, you know, try and at least give some coach speak and say that he's fine or whatever. But any ambiguity ambiguity in regards to injuries is not necessarily the greatest thing. So hopefully he's fine. Hopefully everything's okay. You know, it's funny because he, um, he got off to a good start to a certain degree. Three of his first six games when everybody was healthy were over 22 fantasy points. He only had one game after that. After those first six over 20 fantasy points, that's the playoffs. Week eight is when Stefan Diggs got hurt. Week six, I believe is the game where Nico Collins suffered the concussion

or got hurt, whatever, and missed four games. That was maybe more than concussion. Um, but missed four games. Um, and then we know tanked out at the end of the season. So given what the receiving core could be for the Texans with Christian Kirk and you know, the two rookies, maybe there's a chance for him to bounce back and play at that level again, that we saw at 2023. He's not a bad late round flier, but clearly he's got to be healthy and not doing any shoulder injury coming into camp. Okay. John who Smith.

So the Steelers and the Dolphins, there was a report that they were not going to make the trade. And then all of a sudden they are reengaging in trade talk for John who Smith. This is according to Adam Schefter, also tight end Donald Parham for the Steelers tours Achilles and is likely out for the season. So we'll keep an eye on this situation, obviously. Seattle head coach Mike McDonald reiterated that Sam Darnold is the starting quarterback. I guess Darnold's not really having a great camp, but McDonald basically said it's crazy.

He's he's the starting quarterback. Trey McBride said that Arizona's offense is adding some wrinkles, adding more motion, becoming more complex. The Cardinals were 30th in motion rate last year ahead of only Denver and Cleveland. Baltimore offensive coordinator Todd Monkin said the Ravens need to get Zay Flowers the Balmore. Does anybody have Zay Flowers in their top 24? No, I do not. No, they do need to get him the ball more.

That'd be nice. And what do you guys think of Sean Payton saying that Audrick Estimé didn't get enough touches last season? Estimé, he had only four carries on either third and one or fourth and one, and he converted all of them. So maybe that's a role for him. But anybody concerned about Estimé really hurting RJ Harvey's fantasy value?

Not really hurting it. I mean, touchdown potential, maybe. Just using a maybe more bigger physical back in the red zone goal line areas. That quote was last week, I believe, or earlier this week. I'm not sure exactly what it was. I saw it with the media session for Denver and he basically said that SMA's rookie season was incomplete because he didn't get enough work. And he said that will change.

So who knows? We'll see how much of a opportunity he gets, but all the reports have been, you know, raving about Harvey as well and his workload. So I wouldn't necessarily worry about Harvey if you're thinking SMA is going to be a problem. I, uh, one of my favorite Broncos related stats is that they're running backs have a combined 18 rushing touchdowns in the last three seasons for Sean Payton.

Uh, I think one of those years was New Orleans two, two he's been in Denver two, right to in Denver, one in New Orleans, his last three seasons as a coach, they have 18 running back rushing touchdowns. Yikes. How, what if you threw Taysom Hill in there? They'd have 250 rushing. Yeah, they do have 15 QB rushing touchdowns, but Nick's had, Nick's had four last year. So it may just be a feature, not a bug. Okay. So one of my trade offers here is Isaiah Pacheco

and the 13th overall pick for the third overall pick. Decline, quickly? Yeah, it's a decline. The bad offer? You're the Pacheco guy. I am, I bought, look, the idea of having Cam Ward on my team would be pretty fun. Like, yeah, you know, it would be fun.

But I just don't think he's the best player available right now, even in a Superflex league. So your choices, the first two guys off the board were Genthe and Travis Hunter. So your choices right now, your choices are Ward, Hampton, who else? McMillan. Yeah, so I have the third pick and I have the seventh pick.

And there are four guys that I want, you know, two of them and I have, and that's in a span of five picks. So I can't really say, I feel like I'm giving away everything right now if I say this. So it doesn't really work to my benefit. And I have the pick in the middle. I have the fifth. But he thought he told you if Ward is there, he's taking him. Yeah, I need a quarterback. I only have Jaden Daniels and I have Jimmy Garoppolo. So that's cool.

But I want Cam Ward and I want three running backs, one of three running backs. So if I had two picks in the next four, I would take Ward. Well, that's easy. Just give me 107 and Ken Walker. I'll give you 105 and then you can have Cam Ward on the running back. And Ken Walker. Okay. Okay. Maybe I should just take Cam Ward here. So the question is Drake May and Trey McBride to get 105 last year, I think. Drake for me for neighbors. Yeah. And trade Drake May. I traded a pick that turned into Drake May. Yeah. But it was basically the same pick. Same trade. Yeah. Okay. You know what, Heath? Just leave me alone. There's too much going on right now. I could throw in a second next year.

You know, by the time Adam makes the seventh pick, it will be June 9th. It's a slow moving draft. It's fun, you know? There's a lot of trade talk going on. Trades are fun. That's when you wanted to start the draft. So that's what.

Yeah, I hear you. You'll drag out these two picks for at least another four or five days. All right. Wide receivers, 10 through 18. The first three are London Higgins, McConkey. Is there anyone that you guys have ranked above that? That's consensus. So obviously it changes player, you know, by Jamie might have one guy, blah, blah, blah.

I think everybody knows what this means. Consensus. Are you asking us who we have at guy, blah, blah, blah. I think everybody knows what this means. Consensus. Are you asking us who we have at 10, 11 and 12? Yeah. Are there any changes to that? London, Higgins, McConkie for you guys individually? It's the order for me. I've got McConkie over Higgins. I've got Higgins at the top, but I think we all three have those three in that range. Good. That's a tier. Okay. So do you want to talk about why you have McConkey over Higgins? Sure. I think he's, he's the best receiver in LA. I do worry about the target volume shrinking from what we saw at the end of last year, but he still showed even in

games where he was getting six, seven targets per game, he was averaging north of 16 PPR points or at least 16 PPR points. I think he's phenomenal. He's so much fun to watch. He's going to be the top target getter there. I don't have to worry about, uh, the, the same type of production issues with him that I might with Higgins based on Higgins track record. Now you can say since then, he to throw more of their defense sucks.

It could work out that way. Certainly it could work out that way, but it can also work out where the chargers stick with Herbert. They don't just go into this run heavy mode like they did to start last year. Maybe they're a little bit more balanced overall, and we still see seven plus targets per game for McConkey. I just, I think he's fabulous. And and I think he's gonna get a lot of targets. Um, and Jamie, you have London highest here. I do. Um, we talked about

this a little bit yesterday with uh, with Dan. I know Dan sort of pushed back on this, but I think just looking at the fact that he finally got competent quarterback, competent coaching, or I don't know, competent coaching, but better, in my opinion, better coaching was Zach Robinson taking over for Arthur Smith. And based on his pedigree, his profile coming into the league, target opportunity was finally there with over 150 targets. And what he showed in the final three games with with Penex, where two of those were north of 17 PPR points, now you put the number at 16, you know, I think you can beat, you know,

in that range easily. I just like the setup for him coming back this year with, you know, a lot of the same cast of characters and same system, you know, offensive line is going to be a little different. They lose the almond, for example, the center spot, but I think they'll still get enough protection up front. It's definitely going to be a Bijon heavy offense, which is why, you know, he's in consideration to be the first player taken in fantasy this year, but I don't think that slowed down London by any stretch. And, you know, this kind of factors in a little bit for Higgins. I know it kind of burned us

last year a little bit, or I think it was last year, with what happens if Tyree Kilward had missed time. We were saying Jaylen Waddle could be amazing because we had that one game sample size. You saw what London did in the one game where Mooney didn't play with Pennex in week 18 The same thing sort of applies for me at least with with T Higgins Whatever hap what happens if there's no Jamar chase, you know, yeah how good Higgins could be but in any event You know just these guys on their own, no injury related, related scenarios. Uh, Drake London, I think established himself in his third year.

I love that. You know, I, I write about 30 receivers every year. And I think the trajectory is just headed in the right direction. Can I scare you on Drake London? Yeah. If you take out the week 18 game, which I mean, easy opponent, no Donald Mooney, crazy target volume. He averaged 15 PPR points per game on the season.

Now look, I have him 10th. I'm not, I'm not saying that this is a bad pick or a bad move. I like London as a 10th wide receiver in fantasy because I think he's still going to see a lot of targets. Yeah. He averaged 8.8 targets per game, even if you take out week 18. But it's just that it's like the one little nitpick that I have, like I can find a couple of nitpicks on

Higgins, I can find a couple of nitpicks on McConaughey. These are the receivers where you start to build a couple of nitpicks. That's the nitpick I've got on Drake London is that if you take the whole season, wow, it looks unbelievable. He's got a huge number. But week 18, you know, kind of puts the thumb on the scale a little bit. And if you take out week 18, yeah, it's, it's more of a season with Kirk cousins, not as explosive as a thrower.

That's what helps me sleep at night a little bit with Drake London, because I want to make sure that sounded funny because I want to make sure that like panics is the better and more explosive thrower, but I don't want to like the, like what I said with Higgins, I don't want to draft a guy that's going to end up being wide receiver 18. And here's the guy that just finished wide receiver 14 with week 18. And now we're taking him at 10. Makes me just a little nervous to take Drake London here. I just don't think there's a guy in this on the screen right now in wide

receiver 10 through 18 that has a hot like a guaranteed floor above wide receiver 18. Hmm. I think Higgins probably does just based on the 15.3 points. Well, I mean, like Joe Burroughs, this is my favorite. My favorite thing about Higgins is Joe Burrough. His like his God, I just had it here. Sorry. His okay. 17 game pace in three of the last four seasons. Joe Burroughs has been on pace for 40 4755 or more yards and 36 or more touchdowns. Right, like the one bad year was 2023. What did he have an appendectomy in pre-season

and he just struggled and he got hurt. But like- 23? Yeah. That was the calf. That was the calf, okay. Last year was the appendectomy or whatever it was. No, 22 was the appendectomy.

Okay, whatever it was. But I mean, if you're telling me that he's probably going to throw for 4700 yards and 35 or more touchdowns, that gives Higgins pretty high floor too, right? But I mean, can't argue about the London call. And then call them. Well, we were just talking about London's floor maybe being 15. Because of what he did in week 18. and we're taking away his best game. I think Higgins has been better than that range once in the last three years when Joe Burrow has been awesome. So I'm not arguing against Higgins.

I've just said, I think all these guys, like there's not a guy that you're going to draft. If they had a floor that was a wide receiver one floor, they wouldn't be available in wide receiver for 10 through 18. I think also didn't T Higgins have a three touchdown game then the season? Then week eight and week 17. Yeah, against Denver, right? I was like that crazy game. It's fantasy championship. 131. I don't I don't disagree with Dave's theory. You know, you're

taking out their their sort of spike game, you know, especially in the case of London, you know, there was a significant player missing because Moody didn't play in that game. game, you know, especially in the case of London, you know, there was a significant player missing because Moody didn't play in that game. But, you know, probably do that with all these guys are going to numbers are going to look different. But I think the difference is that T Higgins did T Higgins do that when Jamar Chase was on the field? Joe Burrow was on the field. Oh, yeah, no, I'm not disagreeing with that. But to me, there's a little bit of a difference between the two. The situation is going to

be a lot closer to what we would expect week in and week out. I mean, I can, I can throw you the numbers of that game. It's going to be ugly. The game that I like to point to with Drake London is the game before because Mooney played in that game. It was Penex's second start. He had over 17 points per game. Like that, I think is a fair optimistic view of what his ceiling is going to be. Okay. So 17.6. I, and the other thing I'll just say is like, we're comparing him.

Like he's in the tier with lad McConkey and we're talking about, I hope they don't score 15 fantasy points per game. Lad McConkey didn't was 14.9 last year for the whole year without any Acer setting like, no, I haven't met 15.1 and year for the whole year without any Acer setting. Like, no, I haven't met 15.1. And that was with the slow start. We'll call it 15. Like his production last year was the floor you're worried about with Higgins in London.

Yeah, the Higgins in London. Okay. I mean, I think we've established years that Higgins in London have the highest floor in this group. Is that fair to say? Yes. Yeah, I think so. Okay, and does anybody remember all last year I spent all this time on Drake London and his lack of yak? He still isn't good there.

He doesn't make explosive plays. There's usually about 85 to 90 wide receivers per year that get 50 or more targets. And in explosive play rate, why can't I find any of my stinking stats here? Explosive play rate he has ranked, forget it, forget it. I can't find it. I'm so pissed off at myself here, but he's not that good. Oh, no, I don't know.

Forget it. Sorry. Lost in my notes. But that's the thing. London isn't really a stand out in yards per target, yards per catch. Pretty good in yards per outrun. But earlier this off season, we were comparing him to A.J. Brown. I was like, I can't even make... He might get more targets than A.J. Brown, but A.J. Brown is just such a far superior player. I can't even

think about London over Brown. But does anybody bother by that with Drake London? Like he's not gonna, he kind of needs a lot of targets based on what he's done on a per catch basis to have a huge season. Do you see him not getting a lot of targets per game overall? 8.8 without week 18. Do I see him not getting a lot of targets? No, I'd be surprised.

However, one thing that I noticed when I looked at the previous four years and some of the players who were big busts in this range were guys like Deontay Johnson, DJ Moore on Carolina. There were maybe a couple others who got a lot of targets, but they were on bad pass offenses. I don't think you expect them to have a bad pass offense, but none of these guys. Well, there's, there's, there's clearly a wild card here. I mean, we're, we're, we're basing this off of Penex with three starts, you know, so he could be light years better than what Cousins was. And you know, if you're looking at Drake London's player page on our, you know Seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, when Cousins was struggling,

weren't great for Drake London. And then all of a sudden, things pick up a little bit and then you see what happens at the end of the year. Penix could be better for him because he's a first round talent and getting a full off season and the job is his, he could be worse. Yeah.

But I do think it's interesting fellas that this consensus ranking list of London, Higgins, McConkie, JSN, Tyreek Hill, Devontae Adams, Terry McLoran, Rashid Rice, DJ Moore, pretty optimistic about all of these offenses. Is there one that stands out that might stink? Would it be Seattle or Chicago?

I think those are the ones that kind of jump out to me that could drag down these guys. Seattle's the one that's a little nerve wracking, sure. Cause there's a quarterback change. I'm still nervous about Chicago. I'm not like, not nervous enough to say that DJ Moore's being over ranked at 18, but like we, Caleb was pretty bad last year.

I have plenty of questions about Atlanta and what the approach is going to be in Miami. There's they're going to say, yeah, no, the approach. Yeah. But you think they're going to score. I mean, they're going to put up points one way or the other. Yeah. I mean, I think they probably won't be below average, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if they were average. I mean, the, the, the saving grace though,

is if Tua does miss six games again, you have Zach Wilson, so. I think when, in the games that Tua played, I think they scored as many points per game as the Eagles. I think they were like seventh. They would have been seventh or so. So they were very good last year with Tua offensively. Okay, let's take a break and let's talk about

wide receivers 13, 14 and 15 in the consensus rankings when we come back. Full disclosure, I'm not going to be here tomorrow. Jamie is gonna host that show. Originally today's show was going to be like most wanted list players that we wanna draft. But I said, you know what, let's, let's do this show today because I want to make sure I get to talk about Tyreek Hill again. Got to keep the streak going

here. So Tyreek Hill is in our next group of wide receivers, 13 through 15 in consensus rankings, Jackson Smith and Jigma, Tyreek Hill and Devante Adams. That's how we have it ranked Jackson Smith and Jigma, Tyreek Hill, Devante Adams. Dave, any hot have it ranked. Jackson Smith and Jigma Tyree Hill, Devante Adams Dave any hot takes on wide receivers 13 through 15? Jason Bahlsson is my favorite of the list. Adams is next for me. I do have Adams is my wide receiver 14. I love the role. I love the opportunity to score a lot of touchdowns. I still think he's playing at a good level, not necessarily the best level

of his career. The offense scores a ton of points. The quarterback is great. I don't mind being a head of consensus on Devante Adams. And with JSN, it's, it's literally a PPR thing. Just the fact that I think he's going to continue to be the alpha in Seattle's offense. And do I think that Sam Darnold is an upgrade format quarterback? It's not, but I still think Darnold can get the ball to him a bunch of times a game. If James Cook's on the clock and Jackson's on the draft board and you're on the clock, Jackson Smith and Jig, but Tyree Kill and Devante Adams are all there. Who's your pick? And it vacuum it's the receivers.

But if I went receiver receiver and that's the best running back, then that's probably the way I would go. Yep. Really, isn't it crazy to draft the 32 year old Devante Adams over James Cook or Joe Mixon, the running backs in that range. Devante, we're talking about him as a middle of the third round pick. I mean, if he's really going to be this high in the rankings, that feels a little crazy to be,

not crazy, feels risky. Feels risky to me. Yeah. I mean, we've just on the heels of the end of Tyreek Hill week. And you're so excited about the upside that Ty re kill at a year ago and I get that. But Adams was much better last year. Adams has been better in four of the last five seasons between him and Ty re kill. Really? And I know he's one year older. Really? And I know he's one year older. But Adams is better in 2022.

Well, let's we can check my math if you'd like to. Yeah, you're wrong. I'm wrong. I think so. They are pretty damn close in 2022. I've got Tyreek four tenths of a fantasy point per game better than. So as we know, we've all looked at, um, we have like six different sources for the fantasy points per game and a half a point is within the error bar, it seems for some reason, but regardless, I just think like both of these guys are scary. I'm below this on both of these guys, but I don't think it makes sense to just be all

excited about Tyree kill and all. Isn't it crazy to draft Devante Adams this high? That crazy but risky. I think it's very risky to draft Tyree kill this high. They're both risky. There's there's risk involved with both. There's probably less risk with Devante. I think there's probably a higher ceiling though with Tyree.

Okay. Dave, where do you come out on that Tyree versus Devante, I think there's probably a higher ceiling though with Tyreek. Okay. Dave, where do you come out on that Tyreek versus Devante? Yeah, I'm, I'm starting to dig into Tyreek a lot more. Uh, I watched all of his routes from his last three games when Tua had three or more seconds just to see like, is he, is he separating in the same way? Is he the same guy or his legs the same? I would say yes. He's still a very fast, very shifty receiver, but there's definitely timing issues that were in play last year between Tua and Tyreek.

They've got to get that fixed. There were a couple of plays where it looked like Tyreek struggled to catch the ball. That could be the wrist injury that he had last year. He's still dealing with that injury now. And the biggest issue is obviously the fact that like 60% of two is throws last season were in two and a half seconds or fewer. And on those catches that Tyreek had on those types of plays, he averaged 11 yards per catch, he wasn't breaking away from tackles like he was a year prior. That makes me wonder that if that's the first sign of Tyreek

getting a little bit older, maybe he's not quite as physical as he once was and that's something that's going to keep his numbers from being completely out of control, but the speed is still there. It's just a matter of whether or not the Dolphins are going to say, okay, we need to really upend what we did last year enough with this, you know, dink and dunk offense and let's start getting the ball to Tyreek a little bit further downfield.

That would open them up to 15, 16 PPR points per game. That would make them a great value in round three. I think that's about the range 16 where I would have Devante this year in full PPR because I still think he's going to see a ton of targets. Cooper Cup in that role last year in the slot, he still got a ton of targets when he was on the field. Now it's Adams doing it if you watch Adams play last year I don't he's necessarily slowing down either so his great hands can still make plays in the room I'm gonna take the Vaate just because I like the situation a little bit more and I think there are actually fewer words the biggest

Word with the Vaate honestly is the age and he seems to be overcoming that at least the last couple of years. Yeah, I don't really know if we can forecast this, but 32 is a year where players just hit hit a cliff or fall off the cliff, they hit the wall, they stumble, they fall off the cliff. There's an Acme anvil that hits them in the head and there's a trampoline and they bounce back up and that you know how it is. But be at 32 now is for Devante Adams. Keenan Allen had a great age 31 season. By the way, he turns 32 during the season. No, he turns 33 during

the season. In December. He is 32 years old. Now he turns 33 in December. Okay. So don't obviously don't start him in January. And look, he's, he's never been the two. He may not be the two, like he may get more targets than Puka. We don't know how this is all going to unfold. He's certainly got an impressive resume and Stafford is, you know, smart enough to lean on him as much as he possibly can, whether more than two or not remains to be seen. I would doubt it, but you never know. But in any event, he's never been in this secondary role. He's said, gone through a bunch of different quarterbacks and been successful.

I think that's the right take. But he did have a little bit of a fall off when it wasn't Carl Rogers last year. Again, that's not fair to say because it's Stafford and he's clearly going to be better than Aiden O'Connell and Gardner Mintchou. But you know, well, there's unknown with both of these guys. I just think, you know, we don't know how healthy Tyreek Hill is still dealing with this injury.

Wrist injury seems to be fine, you know, based on the social media posts he's sharing. But if this offense is going to continue to be, as Dave alluded to, just get the ball up to his hands quickly and not give Tyreek more opportunities, especially now that he just lost a left tackle, there's risk involved. And it's the risk of taking receivers at this age. It's the risk of taking guys, as he said in regard to Tyreek kill, time and time again, when they start to show you that they're falling off, it might be time to just bail. So we'll see.

But the upside for both of them is huge. I mean, Devante has been consistent. Different teams, different quarterbacks. Tyreek is one year removed from chasing 2,000 yards and then dealt with a wrist injury in his quarterback, missed six games. So again, I'll just go back to what I said that I think there's a, a higher ceiling for Tyree Kill and a safer floor for DeMonte Adams. It's just a matter, I think of what you're looking for in this

range and your roster build. And it's, it's worth noting that there've been a lot. Adam's right about the age 32. I'm not disputing that, but there have been a lot of elite wide receivers who have had elite 32 year old seasons. Yeah. Like a lot. Okay. So JSN, by the way, do you guys all have JSN ahead of Hill and Adams? I do for now. Yeah. Only because of the age, but yes, I've got them right behind him in the projections. Okay. So let's go to our last three then.

Terry McLaurin, Rashi Rice and DJ Moore. Terry McLaurin, Rashi Rice, DJ Moore. Do you guys feel a little less enthusiasm? Is it kind of dropping here with this group of three compared to JSN, Tyree Kildevanti Adams, Dave? I like Rice. I think that he's still in that range of getting seven and a half to eight targets per game. I think we can put JSN and Adams in that exact same range.

And so that's why rice is right behind Adams as of now. Once we really see that rice is good to go. Rice might go ahead of JSN. He could be my 13th wide receiver. It's just someone who's done well with Mahomes for parts of the last two seasons and probably isn't going to see a lot of double teams in this offense and can add an element of some explosive plays. Not like Xavier Worthy, but someone who can still be certainly more explosive than Travis Kelsey as a short and intermediate area target. I think he could end up leading the Chiefs and Targets. That's a guy I'd

like to have on my fantasy team. So I feel good about Rice by comparison to the other two. I think there's some real uncertainty with Moore. And McLaurin, we've talked about this a lot this offseason. Just the only difference between his 2024 and his prior years is the touchdown production. And you might say, well, it's because he had a great quarterback who threw him a bunch of deep balls and look for him in the red zone. Even if you take away five touchdowns from Terry McLorin's number last year, and it was a career high, his number still isn't great on a per game basis. And I just, I don't want to overvalue McLorin based on the one stat that's really hard to forecast year in and year out. Tanner Iskra Oh, man. Rice would be a layup here if not for the injury, right? I mean, that's that's the only thing. Jason Bahlentner And then there's already reports that like, or

Holmes is saying he looks like his old self. Tanner Iskra Well, then he's fine. Jason Bahlentner Yeah, then he's. Tim Cynova Yeah, I'm gonna wait until the first day of training camp. But if we get reports that he's practicing without restrictions, then I think he's in the London Higgins McConkey tier most likely. Is that safe with what Worthy did last year to just assume that he's going to be that guy again? I mean, the thought from here is that Rison Worthy kind of take over as the primary targets in the offense, but it'll also be, I also think it's going to depend on how they're played. And if defenses are still going to try and take away the deep ball from

Kansas city, then of course, Mahomes is going to look for the underneath guys and that's Kelsey and that's rice. It was rice last year. Hello, look at the targets and look at where he caught them. He wasn't running 30 yards downfield. Yeah. But he did that with no Marquis Brown and worthy two games into his rookie season. Yeah. So you're talking about what Rice did in the first three games of the year. So he scored 17.3, 18.5 and 29.1 points per game on pace for 136 catch pace, 164 target pace.

And yes, he did that with worthy, you know, being in his first three games. He did that without Marquise Brown. He also did that with Patrick Mahomes, averaging 31 pass attempts per game and on pace for 3,734 yards and 28 touchdowns. That's the argument that I'll continue to make is that you could get a thousand more passing yards from Patrick Mahomes this year and it wouldn't be a surprise. You could get 10 more touchdown passes or whatever and it wouldn't be a surprise. You could get 10 more touchdown passes or whatever, and it wouldn't be a shock. So everyone, even if there's more target competition, everyone could be lifted up if we just get back to the old days or even something

close to the old days for Patrick Mahomes, not what we've seen over the last two years. Yep, totally agree. Yeah. Yeah. Look, there's plenty of reason for optimism for rice. I was just given the other side of it. I think there's, you know, you're, you're looking at the, the potential like worthy could be the guy that should be in this range versus rice, you know, and it could be that rice is below these guys and closer to where worthy is and Marquis Brown should be raised up and you know be more than just a late round flyer and they're all going to have you know pretty solid seasons and lift my homes up to a higher degree than we've seen the last two years along

with Kelsey but not one of them being top 12 caliber wide receiver they're all like kind of in the 20th range okay so I think Garrett Wilson belongs this range too personally I know I'm probably the outlier there but you are not yeah and we have Mike Evans Garrett Wilson belongs in this range too personally. I know I'm probably the outlier there, but you are not. Yeah. And we have Mike Evans. Does he belong in this range? Not for me. No, he's there for me, but it's, it's kind of like, there's, there's like a whole list of receivers after she writes where I'm like, well, I don't know who I like is wide receiver 16 and Tyreex currently holding that spot but behind him. It's Evans. It's Wilson DJ more worthy like there's a bunch of contenders for that spot All right, who's next best after that group of JSN Devante and Rashid rise and and you know, just we didn't really

For me it's like McLaurin and Cortland Sutton are very similar as well. What about DJ Moore here at number 18? It's, it's, um, I don't think there's anybody on this show and probably not in the industry that could make like a, a specific projection for DJ Moore that they'd feel good about this year. He, if Caleb Williams takes a step forward and more as the clear number one option and Ben Johnson's offense, he could be a top 10 wide receiver. But if Caleb Williams doesn't, or if one of the other guys is the number one option and Ben Johnson's offense, then he's a bust at this pick.

You know that he has been on a team that if that has thrown 20 or fewer touchdown passes in six straight seasons. He's just never been on a good passing offense. Bottom five in gross passing yards per game in four straight seasons for DJ Moore. So that's terrible. And then we can look at the quarterbacks and know that it's bad quarterback play. But I love DJ Moore. Does it say anything about him that he's been the number one wide receiver on a team that's thrown 20 or fewer touchdown passes, six straight

seasons, like if he scored some more touchdowns, wouldn't they throw some more? I don't know. I think he's one of the most confusing players just looking at his career. He's just a yo-yo of, Oh, whoa. He's actually really efficient. He's really good. Oh, I don't know if he's that good. Whoa. Look what he did with the Justin Fields. He's making a yo-yo of, Oh, whoa, he's actually really efficient. He's really good. Oh, I don't know if he's that good. Whoa, look what he did with Justin Fields.

He's making all these big plays. Oh, wow. Look what he just did last year in Chicago. All they do is throw wide receiver screens to him. It's very confusing player. Yeah. If Caleb Williams is good, DJ Moore is going to be good. You know, if the number one overall pick in the 2024 draft is as good as advertised coming into the league and has better coaching, better coaching, better protection. I don't care what's around DJ Moore. He's going to be good.

Yeah. Okay. How good? We'll find out. But he's going to be good. I mean, if Caleb Williams is going to be a 4,500 yard passer, which would be historical. Oh, that's not happening. I've never done that. No chance. Well, I mean, you say no chance, but it's arguably the system we've been craving for many teams with Ben Johnson going here

or Ben Johnson going there or what the Lions look like and what the Lions did. I mean, look, he's not Jared Goff and this is not the same cast of characters, but if again, the prospect of Caleb Williams and what he was supposed to be becomes that guy. I don't really care what Odunze does and he could be better than more and what Loveland does and what Birden does like DJ Moore is still their best talent.

And so if that talent shows out with the quarterback being that guy, like he'll be good. So Adam, how many guys on this, to get us back to what's really important this morning? How many guys on this screen would you accept for the 103 pick? Oh, what a great question. Well, you're trading McConkey, right? I did trade McConkey. Okay. So how many of these guys in a dynasty league would I trade the number three pick in this

rookie draft, which is I have three of them, by the way. Gentie and Hunter are off the board. Super Flex League. I would take Higgins, and I think that's it. So have I offered you Higgins right now for the third overall pick? You do it. I don't even know if I do that.

Oh, man. Yeah, I think, I think. Cause I need a running back really bad. Like if these guys were equivalent running backs, then maybe, but. You only have one wide receiver also. I have Roma Dunes in too. And you're not going to win next year.

So you don't. I don't have my first round pick next year. Why do you want a running back so bad? Cause I have, cause I am desperate there. But that's the one position you shouldn't be wanting. I'm desperate. I don't know. You tell me, I have a hard time valuing that,

evaluating like, you tell me, is Drake London worth the third pick? Lab Macconkey and T Higgins? I don't know about that. I don't think it's that much of a slam dunk. So yeah, I've got, I mean, the thing is I think in your position, the right thing to do is take Kim warden. We've tried to make that clear to you over and over and over again. Word, you know what, I would take the top three wide

receivers over Hampton for sure. So you pick fifth, Heath, is that right? Yes. All right. Drafted camp. Let's play this out. He takes, I can't believe you pick fifth Heath, is that right? Yes. All right, I drafted Cam Ward. Let's play this out. He takes Ward. I can't believe you just took Heath's advice when you know Heath is making a pick two picks after you.

It doesn't matter for him. It doesn't matter. I don't care about Heath's team. I care about my team. Just twisted your neck. I took, Cam Ward was a fine pick there. He was a fine- Cam Ward, that was the smartest pick you can make

because you still have the opportunity to get a player that is going to be. Yeah. I mean, we don't know if Hampton or Henderson or Harvey or Judgins, whoever you're going to take a running back is going to be the best that group. I'm going to take I'm going to take either Hampton, Harvey or Henderson, Triple H or I'm going to take Ted Rowe McMillan. Right.

So Heath, who are you hoping to get at five? I'm hoping to get Ken Walker. I'm going to, what Hampton's going to be taken here and Adam's going to start panic about panicking about not getting one of those running backs. And then he's going to pay a little bit extra to get from 107 to 105 and I'll move back and add a player. That's fine. I kind of want to get rid of Ken Walker.

So it's fine. The trade offer is sitting in your inbox. Okay, what was the trade offer? Fifth overall pick and round two pick. Which one? What is that? Next year. Is that a late one? Oh, 2026. Okay. Yeah. And a 2026 round two pick on a very good team.

Probably like the favorite to win for Ken Walker and the seventh pick. I left us some room to negotiate. I've got my own second for next year too and my team's almost as bad as yours. All right, well, all right, maybe. You're gonna give him a Walker and a one? Walker, yeah, I wouldn't.

He'd give him a Walker to move up two spots. I'm not doing that. Obviously I'm not doing that. He's just like Yoda over here. Trying to like, honestly, I, I kind of want cam ward. I want cam ward. I get it's fun for me. I want cam ward on the team. We'll see if after Hampton goes here, we'll resume talks.

Yeah. Okay. I wanted to read an email. You would be so kind. He's reading for you. To it. I wanted to read an email. You would be so kind. I'm fine with that pick. Well, you think I made a bad pick Dave? No, I don't know if you did or if you didn't. I don't know. Whether it turns out the way you want it to be made the smart pick. Like you can't pass up with one quarterback. You can't pass up ward at three. Yeah, unless I got a quarterback, right? If I traded down, there's gotta be teams in this league that have solid quarterbacks on

their bench that you could have acquired and you could have kicked the can. There's one and he's very difficult to trade with because he's good. He's very smart. Yeah. No, no, believe me. No, he's trying to. He's trying to fleece me for other players because I have Herbert and Richardson is my only quarterbacks and flack off.

So you only have one quarterback. Basically. All right. Here's the question from Ben. Ben says, Dear Tony, Drew, Tom and Drake. Patriots quarterbacks. Yes. Why are you all, especially Heath, who is my de facto draft rankings guy,

so low on Drake May. ESPN has him as QB 14 for Superflex. Go watch any Patriots game with Drake last year and see how much they invested in the offensive line after a horrifying experience, blah, blah, blah, while still making plays with his arm and feet. This is really directed at Heath, who has won me championships

and is a guarantee for the playoffs, thank you, and cites Vegas implied the playoffs. Thank you. Um, and sites Vegas implied over unders often. So why are you so low on Drake may? Can I ask a question first before he answers? Um, who is the person writing us? Ben, Ben, I wonder if this is a six point or four point conversation. Probably four. Yeah.

Right. ESPN. I, I would, yeah, I would definitely like him a little more in four because he gets punished for the lack of projected passing touchdowns in six. So that is part of the distinction for sure. I also think I'm glad the offensive line's better. And I think Trevion Henderson could help him a little bit. If Stefan Diggs shows up to camp with no restrictions on day one, then I'm going

to be much more excited about Drake May. Right now. I don't think he has a, um, a very good receiving core and he's due for some pretty sick, like you mentioned the rushing. It was awesome last year, but he averaged 7.8 yards per carry. Yeah. He's probably going to, if he runs the same amount of times, he's probably going to lose 25% of his rushing yards awesome last year, but he averaged 7.8 yards per carry. If he runs the same amount of times, he's probably going to lose 25% of his rushing yards from last year.

There's video of Stefan Diggs working in the TAs without a non-contact jersey or anything like that. Nothing's on his knee. I would say it's encouraging that Diggs is even running routes at this point. I wouldn't disagree with that, but we've also got video of other guys who were recovering from injury and I'm just going to wait until training. Right. But that's the thing. It's like, I guarantee in training camp, all of these injured players are going to get these glowing reviews, but we see it every single time they take the field that they, they struggle.

But a lot of times those, these guys at the beginning of training camp are working on a side field or start camp on the pup and then come off the pup in the middle of the year. I think it's not very often. We have a guy coming off of an ACL that he tore last year and he starts the day one of training camp and he's just, everybody says he's fine. Oh, I, I don't know.

I mean, honestly, I don't really track that. What I do track is this this YouTube poll is insane. Tyree kill versus Devante Adams. 70% are saying Devante Adams. You guys think you all are wrong, except for the 30% said Tyree kill. That's a that's a wide gap there. Wow. 70%. Okay. you guys want to hear a tennis story? It's a pretty good story. I think it's not funny or anything. Oh, Dave left. So I played last night against a very tough opponent playing like an USTA league. And everybody told me

like, this is going to be the toughest guy you've placed all year play all year. So we had a great match. I mean, like neck and neck, nobody ever had more than a two game lead in any set. I won the first set six for now. The rule is you get two hours to play and the two hours start when you begin warming up. So we started warming up, I think at seven 14. I won the first set 6-4. The second set, we went to a tiebreaker and we're really running out the clock. So he thought we started warming up at 715. I didn't care. I was like, whatever. Okay, we'll play till 9 15. Um, I was losing in the tiebreaker five, four, and it was nine 14. The tiebreaker goes up to seven. Um, you have to win two sets

to win the match. Okay. Anyway, I'm losing five, four. He goes, you want to play another point? So I'm like, yeah, sure. I mean, whatever. Like no one's going to win the tiebreaker. point. So I'm like, yeah, sure. I mean, whatever, like, no one's gonna win the tiebreaker. So I play the point, I lose the point, he's up six, four in the tiebreaker. And that's it. That's the end of the match. We ran out of time. It officially goes down as a tie. Like I got the first set, he gets the second set, which I figured I was losing five, four anyway. So you know, like he was gonna win the set. So I texted the

captain after the game, I said, if I had won that point and tied in the tiebreaker, would I have won the match? He said, worse. If I hadn't played the point, all I had to do was lose by one point in the tiebreaker or less and I would have won the match. He beat me by two points. If I had been like, oh, it's times up actually,

seven 14, nine 14. If I had not played the point, I would have won actually, seven 14, nine 14, if I had not played the point, I would have won the match. But I played the point and I lost it. I didn't know that, whoops. Is there anything at stake for this? Just standings, like you get points for every match you win. And then there's like five matches per night.

There's two singles, three doubles, or three singles, two doubles, whatever it is. And I think we won, I think our team won overall, but we didn't get as many points as we would have gotten. Cause I didn't win the match. I tied. Gotcha. So you, you hurt your team.

Yeah, for sure. Yeah. By not reading the rules. I wish we, I, this is what I wish I had like that huge catalog of clips of all the things Acer said in the past. Cause we'd play the clip where he said, I don't want to have to go in and read a whole bunch of rules before I do any fantasy league.

I agree. But you know, I don't think I would have wanted to win that way anyway. I think I would have played the point out. I don't want to win that technicality. Was this player better than Dan? No, no, not even close. I'm not, I played a guy last week

who's maybe a little better than Dan, but basically similar to Dan and I'm not going to beat Dan. So let's just say that we'll leave it at that. All right guys, he knows I already told him he knows, but oh, let's go Panthers. We get started tonight. The official, the unofficial team of this podcast. Here we go. Have a great day, everybody. We'll talk to you tomorrow. I won't, but Dave Jamie and Heath will on Fantasy Football Club.