Fantasy Football Today - Start or Sit (AFC Home Games) (01/06 Fantasy Football Podcast)
Episode Date: January 6, 2022Who do we love and who are we avoiding this week? We'll tell you why Devin Singletary could win you a league and how to approach the Packers. Speaking of which, which teams are resting their players ...in Week 18 (9:30)? We'll give you our best guess ... Catching you up on the news and notes (13:00) and talking about some backfields that are in flux right now ... Start or Sit for Chargers-Raiders (19:15), Chiefs-Broncos (27:50), Bengals-Browns (32:00), Colts-Jaguars (37:15), Steelers-Ravens (42:40), Patriots-Dolphins (52:30), Titans-Texans (57:15) and Bills-Jets (1:03:40) ... Email us at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @ctowerscbs, @BenSchragg Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Welcome to week 18, everybody. The last week of the regular season. And I know if you're
listening to this, you're playing into week 18 or you just like talking fantasy football so we're gonna do
some 2022 talk and we're gonna do some starter sit for eight afc home games beginning with
the big one on sunday night the chargers and the raiders adam jamie heath here on this thursday
morning good morning guys uh what do you think think? Kind of wacky week?
Normal week?
Somewhere in between?
It's a wacky week.
I mean, the final week is always wacky.
Yeah, pretty wacky.
I tried to look at last year a little bit,
and the top performers at each position were not,
you know, were pretty much top guys.
I know Ty Montgomery had a big week,
but most teams
are talking about at least giving it a go at least for a little bit like uh green bay maybe dallas
that's those are the worst of the situations though totally like it would be much much better
if we just knew that those teams weren't playing at all and we could rank players for full games
the the cowboys and the packers and there's
some other teams where we just don't know for sure what they're going to do those are the worst i i
appreciate the bingles very much oh i love them well you saw what devonta adams said yesterday
right that he's going to play but he's not going to play the whole game he doesn't uh doesn't expect
to play the entire game yeah which great somewhere between one series and a half is what I would expect.
All right.
So why don't we do like we normally do here?
Players we love.
Jamie, do we have a start of the week?
Yes, Adam.
Thank you for reading.
No problem.
It's early.
Come on.
Devin Singletary.
Never would have imagined that we have a Bills running back that we could trust,
but we have a Bills running back that we can trust. It's four
straight weeks of quality production
and a great matchup against the Jets. He had
11 fantasy points, 11 PPR points
against the Jets in the first meeting when he scored a touchdown
with 43 yards rushing, only one catch.
The Jets, as we know, worst team in terms
of stopping running backs. Fantasy
wise, they're number one in terms of most fantasy points
allowed. There have been 20
running backs this season that have scored at least 14 ppr points against the jets so hopefully he hits
that number all right start them up and heath how about you player you like this week or love
yeah i i also love devin singletary but um i think even with jo Joe Burrow not playing, I'm going to love Samaj AP Ryan.
Because I just think he's going to get 15 plus touches.
And the Browns aren't playing for anything either and aren't playing their quarterback.
So I think this is going to be a competitive game all the way through.
And I think that the Bengals' backups
will be a little bit more motivated
than the Browns' backups.
So, do they, you know,
is P. Ryan too valuable to them
as their number two back?
Do they go even deeper in the depth chart?
Does that concern you?
Kind of does now that you said it.
I hadn't really thought of it.
I think Dave brought that up on Tuesday. play somebody yeah i don't think they're gonna give
chris evans 15 carries all right they might use them in the passing game some i wouldn't be
surprised by that a big opportunity kind of thinking they're probably not going to have
chase for very long they might not have higgins at all. What's so funny?
Heath froze in a very bad spot.
I think Piran played
Week 17 last year. Is that right?
Well, they were out of it last year.
It's hard to say what
the scenario was, but Mixon was banged up.
I think the thing that you've got to keep in mind with some of these
scenarios is
like you said
adam you know how valuable is the player but also you know we're gonna we're gonna really find out
how bad joe burrows hurt and lose on saturday because then the one seat is in play for the
bangles right you know so do they really consider resting him to rest him to make sure he's 100% for the playoffs? Or do they say, oh, well, the Texans beat the Titans once before.
We got a gift with the Broncos beating the Chiefs.
We can go out and get a bye against a team, like he said,
without their quarterback, and they probably could still beat them
with their backups anyway.
So it's a very, very interesting dilemma.
When I was ranking the Bengals prior to the Joe Burrow and Joe Mixon news,
I was kind of ranking them as if
I'm going to change it on Saturday.
You know, so here's where they are going into Saturday.
And then if things change, you know, dial it back.
But yeah, I would imagine if the Chiefs lose
and they're really going to arrest Burrow
because he's hurt,
Samadji Piran's going to play a ton.
Well, here's the good news to make it easy on you.
The Chiefs are not going to lose.
They've beaten the Broncos 12 straight times,
as Dave Tech told me yesterday.
12 straight losses to the Chiefs by the Denver Broncos.
All right.
So, players to avoid.
Jamie, who are we sitting this week?
I would like to sit all Packers.
I think that's the scary one because the Cowboys seem like they're going to play
based on everything that you're hearing.
And I think with their struggles, it makes some sense.
I don't understand the Packers playing more than a quarter.
To get some, keep some rhythm to,
I think Devontae Adams like four yards away from 1500.
You know, maybe Rogers throws another touchdown or two
to get the MVP.
So they can still be good in a quarter
because it's Detroit and they're so efficient.
But also, I mean, they can just kind of go through the motions
and maybe try a few plays or two
that they're thinking of using in the postseason.
And it's a three and out,
it's a field goal and you're not getting a lot of fancy production.
So I would like to avoid the Packers mostly.
Okay.
So Heath,
how do you feel about the Packers?
Somebody asked in our chat,
would you play T Higgins or Brandon cooks over Devante Adams?
I'm not Higgins.
Cause I don't know that he'll play any more than Devante Adams does.
But 100% I would play cookss over Devontae Adams.
Okay.
Anyone in particular that you're avoiding this week?
I would like, like, I know he had 94 yards last week, but I'd like to stay away from Brandon Ayuk.
The reports on Jimmy Garoppolo's thumb were not exactly encouraging from his partial day of practice.
He was talking about how much it hurts.
So I'm kind of thinking it'll be Trey Lance again.
And I can't imagine we'll have a game with as little involvement
as we saw last week from George Kittle.
And even with that little involvement,
Iyuk only saw six targets.
So I don't trust Brandon Iyuk.
You want a fun Iyuk stat?
Yeah.
He's played the Rams twice.
He has a touchdown in one of those two games.
What do you think his fantasy, his PPR average in those two games are?
Against the Rams, in two games, with a touchdown.
9.5.
7.5.
Heath is closest.
It's 7.
Not good history.
He has five catches for 38 yards and a touchdown against the rams two meetings
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You usually promote it.
It's the only one you promote.
Yeah, watch that one.
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Yeah, I mean, we have fun.
But, you know, it's not talking heads
with dumb opinions anyway.
So I was going to ask,
who's resting this week?
Should we do that?
Who's resting this week?
I would like to be resting this week.
I slept.
Can I tell you,
I fell asleep last night at 9.30.
Usually I sleep for like an hour or two, then I'll get up and work.
I never woke up.
Good for you.
I slept 10 hours last night. First time I've slept 10 hours straight.
Maybe, maybe.
Since week 17 of last year.
Who's resting? The Bengals, I think.
So there's also the comment from zach taylor about
jamar chase could quote potentially play against cleveland how many yards is he away from the
rookie record uh he needs 45 to set the rookie record so do they try to get him the rookie
record because it seems like 45 yards of brandon allen could be six targets maybe i mean it could
be a challenge yeah but you just throw it to him on your first sixth place uh you can but there's also a lot of tackling probably going on there and that's risk
i'm gonna jump out for one second guys i'm sorry i'll be right back um so you have the bangles
situation that i think you got to keep an eye on to me that's really the that and the eagles are
the two with the packers those three teams i think those are the ones you've got to worry about the most.
Yeah, I don't expect the Cowboys to play a full game, but I don't know if they're going to play a half or how much they're going to play.
I know they say they're going to play, but the Eagles don't have enough to keep
them playing a full game, I don't think. Well, the last time we saw them play a half
was two weeks ago against Washington, and it was a very impressive half.
If you're talking about a weaker opponent,
and right now that's what the Eagles look like based on who's on the COVID list for them,
especially if they decide to bench Jalen Hurts, which makes a lot of sense,
I would think that the Cowboys put up a lot of points
in whatever amount of time that they're on the field.
And then Washington, there was the comment about them playing the young guys.
The only one I wonder about is if they just play Patterson
and don't risk Antonio Gibson.
He came off the COVID list and right to the injured list.
So he was limited on Wednesday with the toe injury again,
or maybe it was the hip injury again.
I don't know, but limited in some capacity.
So I don't understand why you play him unless he just really wants to play.
So I think Patterson is definitely play.
That's the thing.
It's like, you know, you got some JP Ryan.
You have Kenneth Gainwell.
You have I think Patrick Taylor is worth looking at for the Packers just because why would
you play either running back if you're, you know, the Packers and how they use those guys?
Hey, guys, sorry about that.
So we were just discussing Adam rank these four guys. Sorry about that. So we were just discussing, Adam, rank these four guys
if we find out that everybody is resting or sitting for injury purposes.
So Samaj P. Ryan, Kenneth Gainwell, Jared Patterson, and Patrick Taylor.
Oh, Patterson won.
Taylor's last because the Packers aren't going to sit for the entirety.
Patterson, P. Ryan, Gainwell, and Taylor.
So why P. Ryan over Gainwell?
I don't know because the Cowboys,
well, the Cowboys said they're going to play.
Is that part of it?
Yes.
Okay, so the Cowboys said they're going to play,
and they're actually pretty good.
I mean, they give up like the fourth or fifth fewest fantasy points
to running backs.
It's weird.
What's the Eagles have their better quarterback playing?
Micah Parsons is already out.
That's true.
Parsons being out is a big deal.
And the Eagles have their better quarterback playing
with Gardner Mitchell.
Yeah.
Why P. Ryan?
I don't know.
I mean, I guess we kind of... I don't have a strong opinion. Obviously, that was the toughest one for me. Right? I don't know. I mean, I guess just we kind of...
I don't have a strong opinion.
Obviously, that was the toughest one for me, right?
I went one, four, and then I...
Those are the top two.
If Patterson is not starting.
If Patterson's starting, he's the best.
Yeah.
Okay.
All right.
So we agree there.
All right.
You want to do some news and notes?
Get into the games?
I had some news.
Red Zone's Scott Hansen agrees with me
on the Chargers and
the Raiders and doesn't see how it's any different
than teams resting players for the playoffs.
With them tying?
Yes.
It's just ridiculous.
It would be the greatest thing that's ever happened
in the NFL. Well, if they tie,
what happens?
If the Colts lose,
because that game is before theirs.
Right. That's the thing. If the Colts lose, the if the Colts lose because that yeah it's only before there's right that's the thing is if the Colts lose the Chargers and Raiders should tie
if the Colts win and they tie then who gets in like the Orza Ravens
I think it depends on if the Steelers are right maybe I mean they can't tie if the Colts win
that's not that's not on the table that they should that would be great that would be poetic
justice if the Colts win and then they play it out and then they tie.
Like if they were planning on playing for a tie, if the Colts lose,
and they're like, okay, now we'll play.
And then they tie and they both miss.
That would be great.
News and notes.
Here we go.
Gibson.
Antonio Gibson is off the reserve COVID list,
but I assume you guys just talked about him.
Joe Mixon and Joe Burrow are out.
Kirk Cousins is back.
Justin Fields is going to start this week.
Now, Jamie, you said Fields would have been at the top of your waiver wire list?
Yes.
Okay.
So you can go get him.
Oh, no.
Antonio Brown has tweeted out a movie poster of Home Alone 2
with him as the person who is Home Alone
and Tom Brady and Bruce Arians peeking into the picture as the robbers.
This is Home Alone 2?
Why did he use Home Alone 1?
Well, he's now saying that
Alex Guerrero, who we know
is Brady's trainer,
is withholding money from him.
Man, he's got some issues here.
I'm sorry.
I obviously,
you know how I feel about
Antonio Brown on this podcast.
This is a sad situation.
Okay, anyway.
Micah Parsons,
officially out?
Or just probably out?
He's on the COVID list,
I believe,
because of the timeline.
I don't think he's going
to be able to play.
Pittsburgh cornerback
Joe Hayden is on the COVID list.
That's a big game.
They're going to play it out.
Bradley Chubb,
Tim Patrick,
Jerry Judy,
they're back.
Cam Akers is going to play this week.
What do you make of that?
Full go in practice.
Cam Akers.
Really happy for him.
Yeah, based on what I was listening to what Ian Rappaport was saying yesterday,
it sounds very encouraging from what Les Knee told him,
general manager of the Rams.
What does it mean for Sonny Michel?
I don't think it does anything for this week.
I think it probably takes him from 90% snap count,
whatever he's been playing, to 80, 85.
Okay.
If you have, I mean, think about these two teams.
If the Rams and the Titans get those guys back,
obviously Derek Henry's a different scenario.
But if Cam Akers is anything close to what he was,
that's huge.
Yeah, it's a big deal.
Jared Cook is off the COVID list. Jared Cook is off the COVID list.
Dan Arnold is off the COVID list.
I wonder if he has a chance to play this week.
He had a stretch of four or five games with 60 or more yards.
James Conner was – oh, this is a little flip here.
James Conner was limited in practice, and Chase Edmonds missed practice.
So we'll see what happens there as they face the Seahawks.
Elijah Mitchell missed practice, probably a maintenance thing.
Michael Carter missed practice, and Tevin Coleman is off the COVID list.
We're going to talk about that game.
That's the last one we'll get to.
Jets at Bills.
Braxton Berrios missed practice.
I don't know what that's all about.
Hopefully he's okay.
Wednesday practices aren't a huge deal.
David Njoku mispracticed.
Nick Chubb was limited.
Keyshawn Vaughn practiced in full.
So maybe that's, you know, going into the week,
he was barely rostered, Jamie.
So Vaughn over Bell?
Boy, it's such a tough one because, you know,
will they try and get Levy on work?
Just in case, you know, you have the issue with Ronald Jones and Leonard Fournette.
So I would say I would probably lean Vaughn over Jones.
I'd start Vaughn over Bell, but not by a significant margin.
I wonder what Vaughn Bell would have to say about that.
Jimmy Garoppolo, Heath already mentioned, not looking good.
Come on, Ricky. Give him the heater.
Give him the heater.
Kadarius Toney was limited in practice.
Emmanuel Sanders missed practice.
Clyde Eberziler missed practice.
Damian Harris was limited.
Kyle Pitts missed practice.
And Denver could be without
cornerbacks Ronald Darby
and Patrick Sertan
for their Saturday showdown
at the Chiefs.
All right, here's the game of the week.
Chargers at Raiders.
We're going to start each game with a 2022 question,
and then we'll get into week 18.
2022 question.
I tried to make this one player from each team,
but it wasn't really possible with this game.
So, Keenan Allen or CeeDee Lamb in 2022?
Allen.
Keenan Allen.
This will be...
Keenan Allen right now is a top 12 wide receiver per game in PPR.
If that holds through week 18, that will be five years in a row
as a top 12 wide receiver.
But I do have a cool CD Lamb stat that I'd like to share with you.
Give me a second.
Okay.
Takeaway week one.
This is a very Acer stat here.
Takeaway week one.
He had a big game lamb but gallop played a
half um so he played seven games without gallop and seven games with gallop and he averaged 8.17
yards per target with gallop and 10.35 yards per target without gallop That is a huge difference. And almost certainly because he played in the slot with Gallup
and out wide without him.
So I thought that was pretty interesting.
What say you, Heath?
That is interesting.
And he probably won't have Gallup next year.
So that's assuming that he plays outside more next year
and they don't add an outside wide receiver.
That could make him more efficient.
I don't know.
I generally think of guys in the slot
are probably going to earn more targets per route,
but he will be more efficient with those targets most likely.
I wonder if, and I was thinking about this, Adam,
when you had Chris Goblin ranked as a top seven guy for you in our early 2022 rankings
which is still on HQ, that
these injured players,
do they take a discount to take a one-year deal
to stay with their respective teams?
And so,
could Gallup do something to stay
in Dallas, to be with the system that he's in,
to show that he's healthy, to hopefully
get himself a big deal moving forward.
Yeah.
I think that would work for Gallup,
but Godwin is going to get paid.
You know, I don't know that an ACL,
people, they come back pretty quickly from ACLs now.
They do, but, you know, you're still talking about
Godwin's going to command a mega deal.
Yeah.
Gallup, not so much.
No.
All right.
So anyway, Chargers, Raiders.
Justin Herbert is top six um eckler is a start i don't know i mean raiders not so bad against quarterbacks they're 10th
and herbert's been a little disappointing two straight games are you guys comfortable with him
yeah herbert yeah okay see if i can get that prime time stat for justin if you are a top Are you guys comfortable with him? Yeah. Herbert, yeah.
See if I can get that prime time stat for Justin Herbert. If you are a top 10 quarterback
and there is no concern about whether you are playing,
then I am very comfortable with you.
I realize he's third in fantasy points.
Right.
Yeah.
What about Carr?
How do you guys feel about him?
Hands off.
I'm not quite hands off
just because I don't know.
I mean, he's getting Waller back in theory,
and there's enough quarterbacks who I have questions about
that he's a borderline top 12 guy.
He has not had more than 12 fantasy points in five straight games.
All without Waller, though.
All without Waller.
So let's see what he did.
It was three games he played. Now, it was actually three and a half games. All without Darren Waller. All without Waller, though. All without Waller. So let's see what he did without.
It was three games he played.
Now, it was actually three and a half games.
He had a good game with Waller getting hurt at Dallas.
He had a great game.
But in three games without Ruggs and with Waller, I think he had two bad games and one good game.
I'll just get there.
Almost there.
Yeah, 11 points at the Giants, but he threw for 296 yards.
21 points against the Chiefs.
10 points against the Bengals.
That was only a 27-pass attempt game.
So that was their three games without Ruggs but with Waller.
11, 21, and 10 fantasy points.
The Chargers, 17th against quarterbacks.
But, man, their defense is, I think, fully healthy now.
So, all right, Jamie, why hands off?
Who would you start over Derek Carr?
Oh, I'd start Fields over him.
I'd start Roethlisberger over him.
I would start Wentz over him.
I would start...
I don't know how much more you want me to keep going.
That's fine. That works.
Okay, Eckler's good.
Keenan Allen's good.
Mike Williams, start or sit?
Boom bust number three.
Story of his career.
By the way, here's the stat about Justin Herbert in primetime
from Daniel Popper of The Athletic.
Five career primetime games, 1,418 passing yards,
14 touchdowns, two interceptions, 65%418 passing yards, 14 touchdowns,
two interceptions, 65% completion rate, 132 rushing yards,
and two touchdowns.
Josh Jacobs.
Like him, love him, got to have him.
What do you think, Heath?
Must start running back just like he has been all year.
What was the email you sent me?
Yeah, man.
Justin Jones.
Salivating, I think it was.
Salivating.
I was just reading about
the Chargers and the Athletic
and how big of an impact
Justin Jones had last week
because they got torched
by Rex Burkhead
and then they held the Denver
and then he was out that game.
He comes back
and the Denver running backs
averaged 3.04 yards per carry
in their last eight games with Justin Jones.
Running backs are averaging 3.91 yards per carry against the Chargers
with eight touchdowns.
I think 3.91 is almost exactly what you should expect from Josh Jacobs.
Yeah.
But would you start, you know, P. Ryan over him or Jarrett Patterson
if those situations played out?
I would not.
No, I think the thing you've got to like about Jacobs is, like,
when things are going poorly for him running the ball,
he's been so involved in the passing game.
You know, so this is their season.
You know, he's going to get as much work as he can handle.
I don't think they want to put this on Derek Carr.
I was thinking about the thing you talked about with 50 catches yesterday, Adam,
and you were measuring it by 16 games
because you wanted to be consistent with past years.
And we do know that running backs are catching fewer passes
than they have in the past.
But I think the easiest way to adjust that is just stick with 50 catches
and they get an extra game to attain it now.
Okay. We'll see who gets there.
And Josh Jacobs didn't need an extra game because, as we all knew coming into the year,
he's one of the best pass-catching running backs in the league.
All right.
And a running back has scored in 10 of the last 12 games
against the Chargers.
That's the good news.
Hunter Renfro with Waller back.
So here were the three games he played without Waller, without Ruggs and with Waller back. So here were the three games he played without Waller,
without Ruggs and with
Waller. Seven catches,
49 yards and a touchdown at the Giants.
Seven catches, 46 yards and a touchdown
against the Chiefs. He had nine
targets in each game. Four catches, 30 yards
against the Bengals. So small sample size,
but in those three games, that was before
he really broke out. That was before the three straight 100
yard games. That was 50 or fewer yards or 49 or fewer yards in all three games,
but with two touchdowns.
Do you consider him to be a must-start against a team
that gives up the fourth fewest fantasy points to wide receivers?
I think he's a number two receiver in PPR
and a borderline starter in non-PPR and two receiver leagues.
This is where you attack the Chargers defense, right?
In the slot? Probably. Probably. This is where you attack the Chargers defense, right? Probably.
They got pretty good on the outside.
Yeah, I mean, look, Chris Harris has not been
the same guy, but he's still a tough matchup.
But I think you just got to buy into what Hunter Renfro
has done for the majority of the season and hope that he
continues to come through. It's just a matter of
we don't just know how Waller is.
I mean, this could be
50% of Darren Waller. It could be 80% of Darren Waller.
If he's limited in any capacity and more of a decoy,
then it could be good for Renfro,
or it could just be bad for Renfro,
because Waller's back and Derek Carr's leaning on him
to the same extent that he was.
Any interest in Zay Jones with Waller back?
Minimal.
He's in the Mike Williams range for me.
Boom bust number three.
I should also point out, excuse me, that the Chargers
are fourth best against receivers, but they have really
been struggling lately. Most of that
I think has been injuries, but perhaps
they were just performing over their head earlier this year.
Darren Waller.
So, alright.
We know two things.
First of all, having kind of a disappointing
season. I don't think we can just gloss over that.
But also, guys coming back from injury,
sometimes it takes a game or two to get back in the flow.
So, Heath, how much confidence do you have in Waller?
Where did you end up ranking him?
I think I've got him around six.
I wouldn't be surprised if he falls to seven or eight
by the time I get everything updated on Saturday morning.
But he's probably a start.
I prefer Zach Ertz
over him, but that's the only guy that might
be a surprise.
What about
Goddard?
Goddard is on the COVID list.
Schultz would be over him
if you promised me the Cowboys were playing a full game.
I can't promise.
No one will make that promise.
I can't promise you that.
No.
Okay.
All right.
So mostly going to start Waller.
Agree, Jamie?
We good?
Yes.
Who wins the game?
Chargers.
I think that's right.
What's the spread?
It has, let's see, currently at Caesars,
Chargers are three-point favorites,
and this game has one of the,
maybe the highest over-under of the weekend.
All right, I'm going Chargers.
We'll take a break.
When we come back, Kansas City at Denver. We'll be right back. Nope, I'm going Chargers. We'll take a break. When we come back, Kansas City
at Denver.
We'll be right back. Nope, never mind. Denver
at Kansas City. We'll be right back.
Sorry, Kansas City
fans. Almost robbed you of a home game.
This is in Kansas City, right?
Yeah.
Come on, I thought you got sleep last night.
What happened?
Oh, it's in Denver.
Okay.
I was right the first time.
Kansas City at Denver.
2020 question of the game.
2022 question of the game.
If Melvin Gordon is not back with the Broncos,
Javante Williams or Travis Kelsey?
I will probably draft Javante Williams first
and make a mistake in doing so, but that's what I'll probably draft Javante Williams first and make a mistake in doing so,
but that's what I'll probably do.
It will really, like, is it Javante Williams and Mike Boone's the number two?
No, it's...
Because that does matter who the number two is.
It's...
You know who they could bring in?
Who?
If he doesn't stay in Arizona, it's maybe like James Conner.
That's what I was going to say.
I was thinking more like a Devante Booker.
If it's James Conner, then it's Kelsey for sure for me.
Yes.
Okay.
The Giants can't let their number one running back go.
Don't ruin the fun.
So how much confidence do you have in the Chiefs' offense
against this defense, which, as I mentioned earlier,
might be without two top cornerbacks for this game.
But in general...
And Bradley Chubb is out, correct?
I don't know. He's back. He's off the COVID list.
So I don't know.
You start Mahomes, you start Tyreek, you start Kelsey,
and you start Daryl Williams as long as Clyde is out.
Yeah, there's no real guessing game here.
I mean, who are you benching of those guys?
Okay.
And then that's pretty much it.
Darrell Williams or Josh Jacobs?
Williams for me.
I'll go Jacobs, but it's close.
And if Clyde Edwards either plays, which doesn't look likely right now,
top 20?
No.
No, because I don't think he's going to be 100%.
I don't think he'll play the full allotment of snaps.
Remember, this was the game I believe he had had two good games in a row
coming back, and then he struggled to whatever extent you consider him
struggling, but Williams actually was better in that game.
He had three catches for 60 yards.
Darrell Williams did.
So I think Williams would probably still be my preferred Chiefs running back,
even if I were to their place.
All right.
So over to the Broncos.
No Locke.
Locke is starting Bridgewater's on IR.
I would not start any Broncos if you can.
Well, break down the Broncos running backs.
Because if you're sitting there and you have Javante or Melvin Gordon and your best option is Keyshawn Vaughn or something like that, what are you doing with the Broncos running backs?
I would go Williams, Vaughn, Gordon.
I think that's probably right.
I might just go Vaughn over both.
Wouldn't fight you.
So it's Samaj P. Ryan.
In theory, you would start over the Broncos.
Yes.
Gain well over the Broncos if we get word that the other guys aren't playing.
Jared Patterson, for sure, if there's no Antonio Gibson.
Rex Burkhead or Bronco?
I don't like Rex this week, so I would go both Broncos over
yeah David Johnson has returned
from the COVID list
alright we're going to sit the Denver
wide receivers what about Noah Fant
you like him this week the Chiefs their 19th against
tight ends
what
they're much better than 19
they have not allowed a touchdown in and... What? They're much better than 19th.
They have not allowed a touchdown
in their last nine games
to a tight end, I think.
I mean, look, you got Noah Fant's
best game. I know it wasn't statistically
his best game, but it was his best game.
You had no Judy, no
Patrick. They're both back.
That was a dream matchup
against the Chargers. This is such a tougher
opponent. But you still have him around
12th, right? Just by default. When I adjust
my rankings eventually, he will not be in the top
12. No, he'll be around 16 for me.
Okay. Sit Noah fan. Kansas City's
DST is a start. Right
now, they're second for Jamie and eighth for Heath.
They'll be somewhere in that range.
Cincinnati at
Cleveland. Did you see Drew Locke's comment, by the way?
No.
Oh, it was about...
Make me a starter and I'll make you a winner,
something like that.
Oh, that's what he said?
Yeah, if he got a chance to start for a full season,
he thinks he'd be a winning quarterback.
I don't agree, but I like it.
I like it.
I like to be allowed out.
It's not true, but...
Right.
Cincinnati at Cleveland.
Your 2022 question of the game.
Nick Chubb or Joe Mixon
Mixon in PPR Chubb in none
so let's
half PPR sorry not letting you off the hook
that easy
so
let's talk about this game for at least a half hour
or 30 seconds
who are we starting at this game nick chubb
yes nick chubb well probably right too yeah but how nervous are you about chubb right he's got
the ribs injury and they got nothing to play for there's no baker mayfield you know is is it normal
nick chubb or is it downgraded nick chubb? Well, I would imagine if the Bengals are sitting Burrow
and they're sitting Mixon and they're probably going to sit the receivers
and C.J. Osama's banged up,
what defensive players are they going to sit?
They've already ruled two really good ones out, right?
Huh?
They've already got a couple on the COVID list, right?
Yes, yes.
So, I mean, they're going to start pulling guys off the field
if they start them at all.
So, I mean, this could be the Nick Chubb show.
Kareem Hunt is still dealing with the ankle injury.
Dearness Johnson's on the COVID list.
I mean, they brought in two running backs yesterday.
I know they immediately placed one on the COVID list,
but either it's to replace the other two guys or it's to replace Chubb.
So we'll find out when we get to Sunday.
But if Chubb is active and playing, I mean, he's got top five upside if the bangles are sending guys so i guess you'd start him over p ryan i would start more p ryan yes
all right do you have p ryan ranked right now i have him ranked as a flex with but i still have mixing ranks so once i update that p ryan will be in my top 24 okay so would you go with p ryan or let's say saquon barkley uh i would go with p ryan over
barkley i would go p ryan over the broncos guys i would go p ryan over the bucks guys um
i would go probably p ryan i go p r the Packers, guys, because I'm concerned about that.
Yeah, makes sense.
Okay, anyone in either passing game?
I think the only thing you want to look at is David Njoku did not practice on Wednesday.
And so if he's out, you know, we've just kind of seen the pattern of the other guy has been good when one guy has been out.
So I'd probably put Austin Hooper as a top 12 tight end.
You look at where'd Heath go?
Oh, he's tired of you.
So sad.
Heath left.
I'm sure he'll be back.
So you look at the last four tight ends that the Bengals have faced.
It's pretty funny.
It's Kittle, then the Denver guys, then Andrews, then Kelsey.
It's been quite a slate.
And they actually have been terrible.
I mean, Kittle had 151 yards and a touchdown.
The Denver tight ends had 115 yards.
Andrews had 125 yards and a touchdown.
Kelsey only had 25 yards and a touchdown.
But I don't think you can take anything away from that,
but just kind of a murderer's row there.
And which, so is there a no sleeper appeal in, but I don't think you can take anything away from that but just kind of a murderer's row there and which
so is there a no sleeper appeal
in let's say like a Donovan Peoples-Jones or a Landry
guys who are probably, I don't know about Landry
but Donovan Peoples-Jones, he's probably going to play
and you might be desperate even if it's Keenum
I think that's the thing
it's Keenum and
how much can you trust him because the only time
we saw him start was the Dearness Johnson game
he didn't throw very much.
Like I said,
I would lean toward the
non-injured
tight end. So if the joke
was out, I'd lean toward Hooper, but it could be Harrison Bryant.
He scored in two straight games.
I also think if you're talking about sleeper
appeal, they said two weeks ago
they wanted to get Anthony Schwartz more involved.
And so does he have kind of like one of those week 17 out of nowhere type of games so no because it's week 18
bam well no technically week 17 type of games that we're gonna get oh yeah yeah yeah sure yeah
so he's somebody I would look at in DFS but it wouldn't surprise me either way if any one of
the younger guys not not Landry because I I going to guess he probably doesn't play much.
How about the DSTs in this game?
That's a tough call.
They're interesting.
I mean, the Browns probably more so than the Bengals at this point,
because the Browns probably will at least play some of their guys.
Right.
Okay, so you like Bengals better than the Browns.
We have a question in our chat from Jasper.
Chiefs DST or Titans DST?
They are both top five for me.
I will lean toward the Chiefs.
Okay.
Let's go to the Colts and the Jaguars.
And the Colts, well, it's a better way to say it,
is the Jaguars have won the last six home games against the Colts,
either in Jacksonville or in London.
They've won six straight at home against the Colts, either in Jacksonville or in London. They've won six straight at home against the Colts.
That is incredible, and it would cause total chaos.
Well, not really.
It would make things pretty interesting if they were able to win.
They will not win this weekend.
Probably not. Probably not.
Oh, there he is. There's Heath. Welcome back.
I thought we were all going to leave for a short period of time today.
You're allowed one.
2022 question for this game.
It was a tough one.
Travis Etienne or Michael Pittman?
Is James Robinson ready to go by September?
I'm going to guess no,
so I'm going to say Etienne.
But if he is,
then we may not have to treat Achilles
the way we used to.
If you guys can do it.
Definitely.
Injury note in this game,
Xavier Rhodes,
starting cornerback for the Colts.
He's got a hamstring injury.
Don't know if he'll be able to play.
All right, so Carson... That'll unlock Marvin be able to play. All right. So, Carson...
Marvin Jones, finally.
So, Carson Wentz,
do we like him this week? You know, he's
a quarterback that's got something to play for.
He's got a good matchup. You're always worried
about in a game like this, pass volume.
But, Jamie, do we like Carson Wentz
this week? Like,
don't love. You know, I would imagine this is
a Jonathan Taylor game. game you know go out and
get your win the best way possible uh so i think we're gonna see a lot of a lot of jonathan taylor
um wentz was not good in the first meeting against the colts against the jackers excuse me and he had
i believe was over 30 pass attempts so typically you know you get that from him he's he's going to
be better more times than not.
But I also think that you look at what the two quarterbacks
against Jacksonville the last two weeks have done
with Zach Wilson and Mac Jones.
And based on their fantasy production, both guys had big games.
Zach Wilson did it running the ball.
But I think Wentz is in line for that 18-point range,
which puts him in the top 15 range.
So if you are concerned about some of these guys sitting,
obviously Burrow now, potentially Rodgers,
potentially Jalen Hurts,
I don't think Wentz is the worst pivot play.
Okay.
Heath, you would start Carr over Wentz?
I would start Wentz over Carr.
Oh, you like Wentz a lot then.
I've got Wentz as a top 12 guy.
But mostly I agree with what Jamie said.
The difference between top 12 and top 15 is negligible. Start Taylor. Starter set Michael Pittman. Jacksonville gives up the six most fantasy points to wide receivers. Again, I think the
concerns you have with Wentz are the same concerns you have with Pittman, that he only gets four or
five targets, but thankfully against this defense, five targets could turn into 100 yards and a score. So, I'm starting
Michael Pittman.
Would you start Michael
Pittman or
T. Higgins?
Pittman.
Yeah, you gotta go Pittman
at this point.
I am really not expecting
anything from Higgins.
How about Devontae Adams or Pittman?
Pittman.
I'll take a half of Adams over a full game of Pittman.
We don't know that it's a half.
I think a half feels, to me at least, a half feels like the upside.
It could be a drive.
I mean, we just don't know.
That's the thing.
This is always the thing.
I go back.
I forget what year it was.
It was like 2018
or 2019.
We were in this situation where I believe
the Vikings had clinched
the whatever spot in the wild
card that they had.
And they might have even been division when Rodgers
got hurt, but they were going to playoffs.
And I said, sit Kirk Cousins because I don't
think he's going to play. He threw three touchdowns in the first quarter.
Oh, man.
That's quite a quarter.
All right, the Colts tight ends, no.
And Trevor Lawrence, no.
How about Daria Gumbawale?
We've talked about some exciting running backs today.
No?
Okay.
It was fool's gold last week.
You know, I mean, he played more than Rykel Armstead,
but the touches were very similar.
And if he doesn't score,
you're not even looking at Darre Gumbawale.
I mean, the touches were similar,
but Armstead had six carries and Darre had nine.
Gumbawale had two catches.
Armstead had one.
But in the first half, it was like six to one in carries.
It was basically Armstead got almost all of his work late in the game.
And,
but Agumawale did catch his touchdown very late in the game.
All right.
So,
so try to avoid him.
What about Laquan Treadwell coming off his best game?
Six catches for 87 yards.
There are a lot of guys that are very similar in how they've kind of
finished the season.
Jacoby Myers has kind of been this way his whole season,
but Zay Jones, Treadwell,
you're not getting touchdowns from them,
but it's like six for 50, almost on a consistent basis.
So non-PPR, no way.
PPR, I think if you need a third receiver, he's fine.
Treadwell's my favorite Jacksonville wide receiver,
and I would start him over Kenny Galladay.
Would you start Treadwell or Devontae Adams?
Adams.
Okay, Adams.
We reached the point where we're starting Adams.
If Dan Arnold plays, I have no idea if he will,
but if he plays, is there any interest there?
Minimal.
Yeah, first game back, team bad quarterback no thank you
all right colts dst is top five start them up pittsburgh at baltimore 2022 question
deontay johnson top 12 wide receiver question mark. I think so.
And he's been so...
I want to praise him before I offer any critique.
He's been so, so good at earning targets.
Really, really good at earning targets.
But his efficiency is still amongst the worst in NFL history
for a player who gets targeted at the rate he does.
And I don't know if the quarterback play is going to be better next year.
Now, question.
The efficiency is that you said career,
but I was under the impression that he was pretty efficient this season.
That's what Jacob and Chris were talking about on Monday.
So he had an efficient season this year.
No.
I thought maybe I got misunderstood.
I'm sure those guys are really smart.
I'm sure there is a measure by which he is.
But for his career, he's averaging 6.9 yards per target.
This year, he's averaging 7.0 yards per target.
For his career, he's averaging 11.0 yards per catch.
This year, he's averaging 11.1 yards per catch.
I think it might be a per route thing.
I don't know.
He's earning maybe more targets per route, possibly?
I don't know.
Maybe I misinterpreted what they said.
The concern that I have is,
and I always make the joke that
the Steelers always say they want to run more,
but their offensive coordinator, Ben Roethlisberger, doesn't.
I think if they go with a younger quarterback,
or I'd hate to even put this in the universe,
but Mason Rudolph is just their quarterback next year,
I think they probably will be more run heavy.
You've heard a lot of talk about maybe they're eyeing Trubisky,
which would be interesting to see if he can be better in a second chance
with a more stable system around him.
I don't know how great that is for Deontay Johnson, to be honest with you,
but we'll see.
I also wouldn't be surprised if they drafted somebody
and went the Teddy Bridgewater route, just an Andy Dalton route,
just a guy that can be sort of that bridge until you're a guy, which may or may not be good for somebody like Deontay Johnson. I think what you're hoping for is kind of his season long numbers from last year, which were good, but not great. You know, this year, we're much better. game here baltimore has allowed 90 yards or a touchdown to nine wide receivers in their last
four games landry people's jones mvs adams higgins chase tyler boyd cup and beckham 90 yards or a
touchdown to nine wide receivers in the last four games so claypool is well dionte johnson obviously
must start what about claypool heath start or sit i just can't trust him right now. There's so much disconnect with what we thought he would be
and what he has been.
And really, last year, it was just the touchdowns.
And the hope was, yeah, there will be touchdown regression,
but he will improve.
And that hasn't happened.
And so I love the fact that he got the targets last week,
but he did nothing with them.
So I don't have a lot of confidence he'll get the targets this week.
I don't want to – I'd start Laquan Treadwell over Claypool.
Ben Roethlisberger
or Carson Wentz?
Ben for me.
I've got Wentz higher, but I'm going to look at that
a little closer. They're in the same range.
He's thrown 50 times this week.
If this were a normal week, he would not be
ranked high, would he?
No. I mean, you know, I don't
have Hurts ranked. Burrow's not No. I mean, I don't have Hertz ranked. Burrow
is not there.
Rodgers is behind him
just because of the concern he's going to play. So yeah, no.
Okay.
Obviously, the Ravens' secondary stinks. They give up
a ton of points, but Roethlisberger is playing.
I mean, look at the last two games.
Holy cow.
159 yards on 35 attempts.
123 yards on 46
attempts. A record-setting
performance for him against Cleveland.
So yeah, the past attempts, they'll
be there probably, but they haven't meant much.
Pat Fryermuth or
Darren Waller?
Waller.
Waller. Fryermuth or
Dawson Knox?
Knox.
Yeah, Fryermuth's not a top 12 tight end for me.
He's an interesting one for next year as well.
Because the value that he's had is that they get to the red zone
and Ben throws to him.
Yeah.
Without that, he's not somebody we ever really even consider.
Yeah, it's a lot of touchdowns and not a lot of yards
for sure.
Friar Muth or Tyler Higby?
Higby.
Higby and PPR, Friar Muth, no.
Alright, let's go to the
Ravens. Starter sit Tyler Huntley.
Sit.
I don't
mind him as a low-end
starter.
Roethlisberger over Huntley?
I would go Huntley over Roethlisberger.
Yeah, I'd go Ben.
I mean, there's four games now of Huntley playing a significant amount of time,
and three of them he's not been good.
I skipped Najee Harris, by the way.
This is obviously one of the best run defenses in football.
And he wasn't great the first time.
You're starting him.
Yeah.
This is a game that I hadn't really noticed
has kind of a weird line.
The Ravens are five-and-a-half-point favorites.
Really?
That's interesting.
Yeah, it's supposed to be a rainy day in baltimore too so just keep
that in mind um and cold rain but i think this you know the steelers probably realize they're
not going to playoffs so let ben just i mean he may throw it 60 times this may be kobe's last
you know type thing just they won't know i guess no they're playing this game to
be in the playoffs they are playing to be in the playoffs but they are probably not going to the
playoffs yeah but they're not going to approach it that way i mean oh of course yeah of course but
i mean there's so many things that have to happen in this for them to get it will they will they be
able to know during the game wait a second there's There's not that much. Maybe I'm confused here.
I thought they just need a win and a Colts loss.
Is that not the case?
No, they need the Chargers.
No, I think the Ravens need a lot more to happen.
Oh, maybe you're right.
The Steelers, I believe, are in if they win and the Colts lose.
And they need the Chargers and Raiders to not have the
Neal fist.
Not to tie.
Right.
All right.
So any interest in a Ravens
running back against this
horrible run defense?
Tell that to Kevin Stefanski,
by the way.
Any interest in a Ravens
running back?
Freeman's a flex.
You know, you got to be
encouraged by what he did
last week after the two bad
games prior to that.
Starter said Marquise Brown.
That's it.
He's so bad.
Joe Hayden's absence is good for him,
but he's just been so non-existent.
Yeah, man.
Look at his 16-game pace in his last seven games.
It's 96 catches, which is awesome,
for 683 yards and zero touchdowns
on 158 targets.
That's horrible.
It's just amazing that as bad as apparently their offense
and quarterback situation is,
that they keep losing by one or two points to all these playoff teams.
Yeah, I know.
They have the worst secondary in the league,
and they're starting Tyler Huntley at quarterback,
and they can't do anything in the passing game.
And Devontae Freeman is their leading rusher
and they keep losing by one or two points
to the best teams in the league. You just wonder if they
had kicked the extra point on a couple
of those two-point conversion tries.
Are they in the playoffs?
Maybe. I like the one
against the Packers. That's
for sure.
Mark Andrews
was the first one, right? What's that? The Steelers was the first one, right?
What's that?
The Steelers was the first one.
I honestly don't remember.
Yeah.
The Steelers started the losing streak because the Steelers were the game
before Lamar got hurt.
And Mark Andrews is a start.
What about the DSTs?
We like them this week or no?
The Steelers.
I think you're going to get TJ Watt
getting the record.
Ooh.
Well, it doesn't count anyway.
17 games.
Why didn't you?
Oh, go ahead.
A lot of people have said that on Twitter,
and it really drives me crazy.
Like, they played 14 games forever,
and they changed it to 16.
Like, every 16-game record should have an asterisk.
I mean, nobody cares about the 14-game record.
Because you weren't a kid when that was happening.
It's been enough time now.
I mean, you know, we only compare Michael Strahan
to the guys who played 16 games.
Roger Marris is the home run king, right?
Although I guess that kind of hurts my argument.
So 10 years from now, if TJ Watz wassell has a record you're still gonna say no
uh no i think that'll be enough that way roger maris did it in 162 games right yeah so babe
ruth is the home run king because he did it in like 150 something he hit he hit 61
i know what the? What are the numbers? Maris hit 61.
Maris hit 61, so Ruth hit 60?
I'm pretty sure Mark McGuire's the home run record guy.
Yeah, well, he doesn't count, though.
New England at Miami. It's Bonds.
It's Bonds.
The record holders are Maris is the home run king.
No, it's Ruth.
Strahan's the sack leader.
Yeah. See, Strahan is Babe Ruth.
Cause Strahan did it with fewer games and what might not break the record
anyway,
but any scoring records had to be occur before the three point line.
Cause like they didn't,
you get to play the three point line back in the day.
Yeah.
I don't think they started counting sacks until 1983 or something.
The best sack artist is a Deacon Jones.
Yeah. Did he, how many did he yeah i mean i know they
weren't counting they never counted right yeah uh i'm gonna look up babe ruth i'm curious now
okay new england at miami your 2022 question to a tongue of ilowa or mac jones
oh boy um mac jones like everything week 18 we don't know yet um i am that last game
really made me feel a lot more like the dolphins are gonna go get a different quarterback so i'll
say mac jones okay so in this game mac jones definitely over tua i assume yeah but do you
know what mac jones is averaging on the road this year?
Oh, no, I don't.
So his best game on the road, he had the
20-point game against the Colts in the comeback
effort loss a couple of weeks
ago. He's averaging on
the road, factoring in he took a zero against
the Buffalo Bills in the three
pass attempts, so keep that in mind.
He's averaging 10 fantasy points per game in seven
road games this year.
My goodness.
Wow, that's almost like Babe Ruth hitting 60 home runs
in 151 games
in 1927, but the opposite
of it.
Is
Mac Jones averaging 20 fantasy points
per game in home games?
He must be.
I don't know what his season-long average is,
but it feels like it's around 15.
I'll tell you in one sec.
He's been 20 or more fantasy points
in four of his last seven games.
Dolphins are good.
I mean, they are good against quarterbacks.
Six best.
All right, so I guess low-end starter.
How about...
No, I'm sorry.
Number two, not low-end starter.
I was thinking top 24,
but you don't have to start two quarterbacks in most leagues.
Damian Harris and Ramondre Stevenson.
Heath, how are we looking at the Patriots running backs
against the Dolphins,
who were playing great against the run,
and then last week everything just fell apart for them?
Harris is a low-end number two.
Stevenson is a high end number two. Stevenson is a high end flex.
I would start both over.
I think I'd start both over Zeke.
And over Aaron Jones.
I'm less sure about Aaron Jones.
The problem with Zeke is he kind of needs volume to be even a borderline starter.
I could see Aaron Jones having a good first half.
It's harder for me to see Zeke having a good game in one half.
And maybe Zeke will play the whole game,
but if you're going to rest anybody, why wouldn't it be that guy?
Sure.
Okay.
Is there any case to be made that Jalen Waddell
is not the best wide receiver in this game?
The matchup. He's the best wide receiver in this game? The matchup.
The case would be using Devontae Parker's
numbers versus the Patriots over the last
couple of years. I think they're really good.
But,
no, it's a bad case.
The case would be Jacoby Myers is not facing
the Patriots, and he's been pretty
reliable lately.
But, okay. Waddle.
Mac Jones is averaging
16.8 points per game at home,
but that's also factoring
in the four-point dud he had against the Bills.
So take that out. He's probably a lot better.
That was last week.
Right? No, that was
two weeks ago. Sorry. That was two weeks ago.
Alright, so is Waddle a must
start? Going right back to him?
Yes.
Yeah, I'm starting Waddle.
How about Jacoby Myers?
So Jacoby Myers on the road,
very reflective of his quarterback,
also not very good.
And so we know he doesn't score touchdowns,
so take that into account.
Dolphins have a lot of touchdowns to a wide receiver.
I think it's like six straight games.
But Jacoby Myers on the road is... Have not allowed a touchdown to a wide receiver in six straight games. Have not allowed as to a wide receiver. I think it's like six straight games. But Jacoby Myers on the road is...
I have not allowed a touchdown to a wide receiver in six straight games.
I have not allowed a touchdown to a wide receiver.
Exactly. I think it's five straight. Yeah.
Maybe five straight. So he's averaging a robust 6.1 PPR points per game on the road.
And his best game on the road was the Colts game.
Mac Jones' best game on the road was the Colts game. Mac Jones' best game on the road was the Colts game.
That was 10 PPR points.
So I think you kind of know what you're getting for Jacoby Myers.
10 is probably the ceiling.
Hunter Henry or Mike Kosicki?
I will take the chance with Hunter Henry scoring
as opposed to Mike Kosicki struggling.
Yeah, Kosicki, it's not looking good.
He's not playing great.
He's not having big numbers,
and the Patriots are the best against tight ends,
or maybe the second best.
Is there any interest in Duke Johnson
against a vulnerable Patriots run defense?
No.
All right.
Start the Patriots DST.
How about the Dolphins DST?
Start or sit?
Low end starter.
I'd go back to them,
but I would take a look and see
if the Washington football team is available.
Yeah.
Now we've got two more games.
Tennessee at Houston.
2022 question.
Is Brandon Cooks a top 60 overall pick?
Yes.
Yeah.
Top 48.
Is he still in Houston?
Yes.
Top 48, yes yes fourth round pick
yeah okay Heath you seem a little
hesitant on that no I'd probably say
like are we asking
what he should be or what he will what he
will be I think he will be
a round five pick Brandon
Cook has always drafted at least one
round after he should be okay
this is this is something that's interesting six career Brandon Cook has always drafted at least one round after he should be. Okay.
This is something that's interesting.
Six career seasons with 15-plus games for Brandon Cook.
He has at least 80 catches in four of those. His worst was 65 catches.
He has 1,000-yard season in all six of those.
His worst was 1,011.
And he has at least six touchdowns in five of those six.
Glad I drafted Marquis Callaway over him.
That was a real bold call on my part.
Well, I mean, through the last three weeks,
you got great production from Marquis Callaway.
Believe me, he's not on that team anymore.
Ryan Tannehill.
Ryan Tannehill or Big Ben?
For 2022, I'll take Tannehill.
For Week 18 of 2022?
I will take Big Ben.
All right.
Tannehill or Mac Jones?
Tannehill.
Yeah.
Deontay Foreman looks like a must start in this matchup.
Top 15 in non-PPR, top 18 in PPR.
The only thing that would change that is if
Derrick Henry will play.
Yeah.
Doesn't seem likely, but...
Doesn't seem likely, but you never know.
All right, so when I looked at the rankings,
Jamie had A.J. Brown in the top six, and Heath had him around 20th.
Is that still the case?
That sounds correct.
All right, so let's have a little rankings dispute on A.J. Brown,
who Heath definitely was right about last week.
Heath, why are you, I would say, low on him at 20th or so?
It's the same thing that I said last week.
It's just what this titans passing game has been
this season and i don't know that there's a lot of volume in this game against the houston texans
because they've been so bad against running backs so he has the ability with one play to make my
ranking look dumb like he could probably score enough points on one play to finish in the top 20
but it's just been so up and down,
and Tannehill's not been as good,
and the passing game as a whole hasn't been very good,
and so I have a hard time projecting that.
And Jamie, you have him in the top six?
Yeah, I think he's just too good to get away from.
And with the circumstances that we're looking at from around several wide receivers,
Jamar Chase, Devontae Adams,
some of the stars who are clearly not going to play very much.
I will buy into A.J. Brown putting up good production as long as he's healthy.
He had nine targets in the first game between these two teams where Ryan Tannehill pooped
and threw up all over himself with four interceptions.
He did not play well with those nine targets in that first meeting with five catches for
48 yards.
I think we'll do better this time around.
So, Heath, if you've been kind of ranking A.J. Brown around 20th or so each of the last two weeks,
how does that apply to your rankings for him next year?
I will probably take more of a big picture look next year
and hope that with Derrick Henry back
and things a little bit more settled maybe
that he bounces back.
But I won't rank him top six next year for sure.
He'll probably be...
And we talked about this yesterday.
We kind of did this after A.J. Brown's rookie year
and said, look how good he was in the A.J. Brown's rookie year and said,
look how good he was in the final eight games.
He's going to be a top 10 wide receiver.
And he almost was, but he had some injuries at the beginning of the year.
So then this year we said, yeah, but he had injuries at the beginning of the year.
So he's going to be a top 10 receiver.
I probably won't rank him as a top 10 wide receiver.
I'm probably going to have to see it first.
Okay.
And I guess, Heath, you'd rather have Brandon Cooks in this game
and Jamie would rather have A.J. Brown.
And, yeah, that's pretty much it.
But they're both must-start guys.
Well, they're both in the top 20, and Cooks is in the top 13,
I think, for everybody.
So how about Rex Burkhead?
So last week he faced a really tough defense,
and he ended up with 79 total yards and six catches.
So it's the passing game rule that's big.
But you think David Johnson coming off the COVID list maybe affects that?
Why are we so low on Burkhead?
I mean, he's not even in the top 24.
I mean, the volume has been nice.
It's three straight games of at least 16 total touches.
So you can look at that and say maybe he is the guy for the Texans,
despite David Johnson coming back.
Now, Johnson not just missing time last week
because of the COVID list.
He's also been banged up.
So take that into account.
But I do think that you're just looking at this Titans team in general.
And if you were to say, okay, two games ago against the Chargers,
Texans playing with the lead, he was amazing.
You know, 28 carries or 20-some-odd carries for 128 yards and two touchdowns.
Last week you mentioned the six catches.
Is that a byproduct of Davis Mills getting better and leaning on his full arsenal of weapons?
Or was that just kind of a one game fluke against San Francisco?
But the Titans are number one in terms of or number two.
I don't know where they are in terms of between them and the Saints.
They're one top two in terms of fantasy points allowed to opposing running backs in a game script where they were playing with a lead.
The first time these two teams met,
because again,
Ryan Tannehill pooped and threw up all over himself.
He had 18 carries for 40 yards and no catches.
So he scored a few games this season.
I just don't think he's going to have a big game.
I would say probably 10 Ppr points is the ceiling and probably
six or seven nine there's just like he has one game this season with more than 50 rushing yards
yeah that's not good and it wasn't last week and he has four games with at least three catches
the games following those games in the first three times, he's caught
zero, one, and one
pass. So I don't think the six catches
last week should make you think he's going to catch passes
this week. Titans DST
is certainly worth starting. Let's go to the Bills
and the Jets. 2022 question.
Again, I couldn't come up
with two players from this game.
So, Elijah Moore or
Devontae Smith?
Elijah Moore.
Yeah, I'll go with Elijah Moore.
I think there will be better volume there.
And you could have gone with Elijah Moore versus Gabriel Davis.
No way.
I mean, yeah, okay, okay.
All right.
I mean, I would say Moore, but go ahead.
Elijah Moore or Gabriel Davis?
Elijah Moore. Yeah, All right. I mean, I'd say more, but go ahead. Elijah Moore, Gabriel Davis. Elijah Moore.
Yeah.
All right.
You want to go Tyler Croft versus...
Josh Allen, Devin Singletary.
Michael Carter versus Michael Carter.
Yep.
Sure.
Devin Singletary, Michael Carter.
This week and next year.
If Carter plays.
Carter might not play this week.
Yeah, if he plays.
So Singletary this week for sure. No year if Carter plays. Carter might not play this week. Yeah, if he plays. So Singletary this week for sure, no matter if Carter plays.
I will go Carter next week unless the Bills somehow move on
from Zach Moss completely and don't add another running back.
Yeah, I don't know that I care about Zach Moss,
but adding another running back concerns me.
I think Singletary has a chance if the Bills make a run
and he could have a playoff Lenny-type playoff situation
to secure himself as the top running back in Buffalo,
but I think he needs that.
I don't think he's done it yet.
As far as this game goes, Allen, Singletary, Diggs are all must-starts.
What about Gabriel Davis?
It looks like he's top 30 as of right now.
Is that what he is, Jamie, a number three receiver, Gabriel Davis. It looks like he's top 30 as of right now. Is that what he is, Jamie, a number three receiver, Gabriel Davis?
He'll probably be closer to the top
24 once I remove the Bengals guys
and drop Devontae Adams a couple
spots. So I don't know if I
probably still have Adams ranked ahead of him, but
Davis is
in a good spot. Look, he only had three catches last
week. The targets weren't there, but he played
87% of the snaps first game off the COVID
list. Much tougher matchup, obviously, against the Patriots.
I'm sorry, not a matchup. That was too easy.
Should have done better against Falcons.
This is a great matchup against the Jets, so I'll buy into it.
And when he wasn't a full-time player, the first time these two teams met,
he had three catches for 105 yards.
Josh Allen stunk last week, you know, and it was bad weather.
So we were expecting a big bounce back from him.
And it was three catches for 40 yards on only three targets for Gabriel Davis.
Okay.
So with that said, Dawson Knox, let's get to him.
Heath Knox has combined for two catches, 11 yards,
and a touchdown on five targets in his last two games.
One was at New England.
They're the best against tight ends.
One was against Atlanta where, like I said,
bad weather and bad game from Josh Allen.
So can he bounce back here against the Jets
that give up the fifth most points against tight ends?
Did you end up with Knox in your top 12?
He is a top 12 guy.
I think he's actually a top 10 guy.
But I could understand
wanting to start somebody over him. He's not a sure thing by anything.
But I would start Ertz over him. But I'd start him over
Kosicki. And Jamie, can you sum up the Jets?
They got some pretty interesting players here.
I mean, Carter has been solid in tough matchups,
and the Bills haven't been that tough of a matchup lately.
So if he plays, I wonder if you like him.
I would start Carter as a low-end, number two, high-end flex,
depending on who you're comparing him to.
But if we are getting to the weekend,
and you tell me Samaj P. Ryan's the guy for the Bengals,
Jared Patterson's the guy for Washington,
Kenneth Gainwell is the guy for the Eagles,
I would start all those guys over my partner.
All right, what about the wide receivers?
That's the, what about wide receivers?
Yeah, what about them?
For the Jets or just comparing cards?
No, I'm sorry, for the Jets, Berrios and Moore a few times.
So Berrios didn't practice on Wednesday.
Elijah Moore, I believe, is still technically on the COVID list
but worked out with the team on Monday.
So it's going to be like one of those Mike Evans deals from last week
where they just may have not made the procedure of taking him off the COVID list.
But I'm going to guess he's close to playing.
And Jamison Crowder went from DNP for basically the last two weeks
to limited on Wednesday, so probably he's playing.
If either one of those two guys play,
it's very tough to trust Braxton Berrios.
So I think that's just something you got to keep an eye on.
If they're all active,
then I think Elijah Moore would be the one you want to buy into,
but he's still coming off a very lengthy absence.
I believe it would be five games that he missed.
So I think you just got to take into account,
at best, he's the number three receiver.
But chasing points, just a tough, tough matchup, though.
And Buffalo has everything to play for.
So I would probably look to avoid all the Jets if you can.
Okay.
Bills give up the fewest fantasy points to wide receivers.
So is Gabriel Davis, regardless of who's in or out for the Jets,
is Gabriel Davis going to be the second best wide receiver in this game?
If you tell me that the other Jets guys are out,
then I would say Berrios over Davis in PPR.
But yes, if anybody else plays for the Jets,
I would go Davis over every Jets player.
Start the Bills DST.
All right, we're going to spend just a few minutes
answering some questions in the chat
for people who are still playing.
Javante Williams or KJ Osborne
or AJ Green?
Osborne.
I'd probably go Javante.
Dak or Taysom Hill?
Taysom.
Taysom.
No, you know what, Dak?
I'm going Taysom.
Sony or Penny this week?
Penny.
Yeah.
Kittle or Waller?
Kittle.
Oh, boy.
Kittle's been so bad.
I will go Waller if Trey Lance plays.
I will go Kittle if Jimmy Garoppolo plays.
Start Lamar Jackson if he's active?
No.
Depends who you're comparing him to.
TJ Watt will be getting the record on his 15th game, by the way.
He has only played 14 games.
That doesn't matter.
Oh, take that, Adam.
It's a 17-game season.
Take that, Adam.
You guys said Babe Ruth did it in 151 games.
I'm pretty sure the Major League season was not 151 games back then.
What was it?
155, maybe?
154, I believe.
154.
Damian Harris or Rashad Penny, standard scoring?
Rashad Penny.
Washington DST or Patriots?
Washington.
Woofed.
DJ Moore, Elijah Moore, Gabriel Davis.
DJ Moore.
DJ Moore has been so bad lately.
DJ Moore still.
All right, last one.
Brandon Cooks or AJ Brown?
Oh, we're going to have a disagreement here.
AJ.
Thanks, guys.
Great show.
All right, eight NFC home games coming at you tomorrow.
Have a great day, everybody.
Talk to you later on Fantasy Football.