Fantasy Football Today - Start or Sit (AFC Home Games) (12/25 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: December 25, 2020

Dave has Lamar Jackson as his QB1. Jamey likes Jarvis Landry more than D.K. Metcalf. We've got some fun calls for Week 16 and thorough previews of eight AFC home games. Let's start with our outlook fo...r Melvin Gordon if Phillip Lindsay is out and thoughts on Jackson vs. the Giants (6:15) ... News and notes (7:32) and the Startometer (14:00) for NYG-BAL, DEN-LAC and BUF-NE ... Start or Sit for Colts-Steelers (20:15), Bengals-Texans (26:40), Browns-Jets (34:30), Bears-Jaguars (42:55), Falcons-Chiefs (51:25), Giants-Ravens (57:30), Broncos-Chargers (1:03:00) and Bills-Patriots (1:10:30) ... Email us at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com Do you want to win a prize for the holidays? Go to cbssports.com/happyholidays to enter.  'Fantasy Football Today' is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Google Podcasts, Castbox, and wherever else you listen to podcasts. Follow the new FFT Twitch channel: https://www.twitch.tv/FFToday Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @BenSchragg Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCviK78rIWXhZdFzJ1Woi7Fg/videos Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ Want winning picks each morning in under 10 minutes? Subscribe to 'The Early Edge: A Daily SportsLine Betting Podcast' on Apple, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever else you listen to podcasts. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:59 BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. This is Fantasy Football Today from CBS Sports. On his way to the end zone. I'll tell you what, that was a spectacular play. It's time to dominate your fantasy league. What a play. Off to the races.
Starting point is 00:01:16 Touchdown. Oh, he's done it again. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, Heath, and Ben. It's the Christmas special of Fantasy Football Today, Christmas special. Welcome, everybody. Merry Christmas. Happy holidays. Recording this on Thursday night.
Starting point is 00:01:32 I have already eaten my Chinese food and a bunch of cookies. I have a serious tummy ache, but I'm going to power through, and we're going to deliver some awesome starter set advice. I'm Adam Azer. Dave Richard, happy holidays. You've got a red shirt on. Very festive. Thank you very much. I hope the spil Dave Richard, happy holidays. You've got a red shirt on. Very festive. Thank you very much.
Starting point is 00:01:47 I ho-ho hope the spilkies are not too bad for you, Adam. Thank you. I have a green shirt. Jamie, you are wearing a holiday neutral shirt. Happy holidays, Jamie. I'm wearing an express shirt
Starting point is 00:01:57 just for you. Oh, very nice. I really hope you have to poop during the show. I don't have... I'm nauseous, okay? I don't have that stomachache. Please make that happen.
Starting point is 00:02:04 And Dave is reliving old memories. He has the Cuba stain on his shirtous. Okay? I don't have that stomachache. Please make that happen. And Dave is reliving old memories. He has the Cuba stain on his shirt again. It's not a Cuba stain. I washed my face before I came on the air, and there's a little droplet of water in my chest. It'll be gone soon. We couldn't figure out. What did you spill on yourself? Oh, God.
Starting point is 00:02:19 I spill on myself every time I eat something. I don't know what it was. I swear to God. It was brown, though, right? Yeah. It was probably something chocolatey eat something. I don't know what it was. I swear to God, it was brown though, right? Yeah. It was probably something chocolatey. No, I don't drink coffee. It could have been hot chocolate. It could have been a fudge brownie Yasso bar.
Starting point is 00:02:35 It could have been a million things. Okay. Memories. Well, we might be a little goofy tonight. We're doing a night show and that's going to be fun. I've got a new start of the week that I'm going to, that I'm going to suggest to Jamie
Starting point is 00:02:48 that he can make an amendment to his original article and do a new start of the week. But before that, I'd like to read you guys something from my favorite Christmas book. Okay? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:02:59 Yeah. All right. Die Hard Christmas. Twas the night before Christmas and up in the tower, everyone was partying except for one wallflower. John McClane missed his wife. Things just weren't the same since Holly had moved west and changed her last name.
Starting point is 00:03:16 And it goes on like this, and I won't read the last ending, but I did want you all to know that I have the Die Hard Christmas book. I am willing to play the game even though it's not a Christmas movie. You won't read the last line of the book? Alright. Let's see. The last line of the book. This is a good coffee table book, by the way. Jamie has it at the office
Starting point is 00:03:36 and everybody who sees it goes nuts. I'll have a fancy cops question related to that. Hold on. Bearer bonds flutter like fresh fallen snow as Holly embraced her blood-spattered bow. So Merry Christmas to all, and be kind to one another,
Starting point is 00:03:49 and most of all, yippee-ki-yay, Justin Tucker. Merry Christmas. That's not what it says. Come back to that later, Jamie. Let's get down to business here. I'm telling you who your noose...
Starting point is 00:03:59 No, it's very important. All right, fine. Oh, gosh. Give me a minute. I just need... Not even a minute. I need... What do you got? All right, fine. Oh gosh. Give me a minute. I just need not even a minute. I need. All right. Office etiquette, fantasy cops.
Starting point is 00:04:19 I, I don't remember when it was sometime last year, um, because our office was under construction. So I had the book out, as Dave mentioned, The book's always out. And somebody came to me on Monday, maybe, and said, Hey, I just want to let you know, I took the book home to read. What? Oh my goodness. It's a great book. No, you cannot do that. You took the book off your desk? Took it off my desk, took it home, brought it back, put it back in the same place.
Starting point is 00:04:47 I would have never known. No. You know where that book went while they were at home. I mean, I never touched the book, so I don't care. Oh, my gosh. No, that's bad. I can't wait to find out who did this. You might have to burn the book.
Starting point is 00:05:00 I couldn't tell you who it was. I don't remember. Oh, really? No. You don't remember? No. really? No. You don't remember who... No. How do you not know this? When we had all those producers coming in and out. So it was somebody... It was one
Starting point is 00:05:12 of the producers? Yeah. Somebody I don't know. Oh, my God. That makes it even worse. A stranger took something off your desk. Yeah. It was like, hey, that's a great book. I just want to let you know I took it home for the week. At least he told you. That was nice of him to fess up. All right, Jamie. You ready for your new start of the week? Yeah, go ahead.
Starting point is 00:05:27 Move over, David Johnson. Hello, Melvin Gordon. I like Melvin Gordon. He's ranked in the same range as David Johnson. Is that with or without Philip Lindsay? It's without. Right. With the thought he's not going to play.
Starting point is 00:05:40 Right, so if Philip Lindsay plays, you can forget this. But if Philip Lindsay doesn't play, do you realize that in their last five games, they are combining, they have averaged a combined 25 carries per game. This team has stopped throwing. They are run, run, run, run, run. And he's facing his old team, and they're not a good run defense. And holy cow, I'd be so excited to start Melvin Gordon
Starting point is 00:06:03 if Phillip Lindsay were out. Yep, I'm starting him against Heath in one of the championship games. Dave, how do you feel? This is unbelievable. So we've got you versus me in one league, Jamie. Me versus Heath in another league. And you versus Heath in another league.
Starting point is 00:06:17 That's pretty cool. Crazy, like, Mexican standoff fantasy football style. So assuming... Like the standoff Adam's going to have with his toilet after the show. I haven't. I'm nauseous. That's going to be a one-way gunfight. I had cookies, not prunes.
Starting point is 00:06:33 My goodness. So are we starting Melvin Gordon over, say, Josh Jacobs, Chris Carson? Zayn is dropping off the gifts and Adam's dropping off something else. What? Oh, man. Are we starting Melvin Gordon over Josh Jacobs and Chris Carson? If Lindsey's out. If Lindsey's out, yes.
Starting point is 00:06:51 Dave? I don't know if I could do it over Jacobs. Carson, sure. Miles Sanders or Melvin Gordon? Sanders. I like Sanders. Yeah. All right.
Starting point is 00:07:00 All right. We've got big Sunday coming up, obviously. Big Friday, big Saturday, big Sunday. But on Sunday, FFT in five at 8.30 a.m. Eastern, HQ 10 a.m. to 1 p.m. Eastern, Twitch noon Eastern, and hashtag AskFFT all morning on Sunday. Another thing I want to talk about from the rankings
Starting point is 00:07:18 is Dave's bold Lamar Jackson call. You've got him number one overall. He's closer to seventh or eighth for Jamie and Heath. I know everybody likes him, loves him this week, but not as much as Dave does facing the Giants. Lamar Jackson, number one, Dave. Four touchdowns. Four touchdowns.
Starting point is 00:07:37 I fear you're right. Yeah, this is just going to be a butt whooping against the Giants. Yeah, but look, they did a really good job against Kyler Murray. 19 points. They did a really good job against Russell Wilson. Yeah. Kyler won or the Russell Wilson one is a little jarring, but I just
Starting point is 00:07:55 I don't know. I think the Ravens are going to be good enough on defense to try and they're not try, but to limit how many touchdowns the Giants get. I just think Lamar Jackson's like a bazooka that goes off okay Jamie Jamie this is the part where you're supposed to mention what's going to happen to Adam's stomach all right I really hope that Adam has to just destroy his toilet. Stop. It's disgusting.
Starting point is 00:08:26 As he's going to the bathroom, he looks up, and his son is peeping him. Okay. Hi, Daddy. Yeah. News and notes. George Kittle is going to play. Did you guys settle on a spot for him in the rankings?
Starting point is 00:08:42 I did. He's 6th in PPR, 7th in non-PPR, but I don't love it. I mean, Kyle Shanahan basically said that they're going to limit his playing time. To what extent, we don't know. But he also said that he was one of his healthiest players right now.
Starting point is 00:08:57 Yeah, but so is the goalpost. I mean, his players are terrible right now. They're all banged up. His goalpost isn't going to catch a touchdown or two. Probably not. Yeah, 90 yards. I'm starting Kittle over just about every tight end. Where do you have him?
Starting point is 00:09:14 I got him fifth in PPR. Now I've got him ahead of Logan Thomas. That's the only guy in PPR that I might switch. But he's behind Hawkinson, Andrews, Waller, Kelsey. It's George Kittle. You know what the upside is. You know what the potential is. Philip Lindsay unlikely to play, it seems, and
Starting point is 00:09:33 we'll keep an eye on that. I'll start Kittle over Philip Lindsay, too. I'd start Melvin Gordon over George Kittle. Sure. I think that makes sense. Ezekiel Elliott was limited in practice, but he's still trending toward playing. Hunter Henry is... Okay, so Hunter Henry is now on the reserve COVID list
Starting point is 00:09:50 and Keenan Allen could be a game-time decision. So, Jamie, how much could Justin Herbert move in your rankings from now until Sunday? I dropped him to 12. So he was originally nine. You know, I mean, the nice thing is, as you saw him produce last week, Henry obviously played. So take that originally nine. You know, I mean, the nice thing is, is you saw him produce last week. Henry obviously played.
Starting point is 00:10:08 So take that into account. But, you know, he got his young receivers involved. Mike Williams is not on the injury report. So, you know, hopefully he has a big opportunity. We've seen how he can do when he's getting extended targets. Obviously, he still has Austin Eckler. It's a very good matchup. So I'm not necessarily running away from Justin Herbert completely,
Starting point is 00:10:26 but if you feel a little gun-shy and you want to start Baker Mayfield or Mitchell Trubisky over him, I can understand it. Well, Derek Carr's going to start, guys. Should we start Derek Carr over Justin Herbert? I would not. No. Okay.
Starting point is 00:10:42 Matthew Stafford's going to start, but he's not going to have many of his coaches they've got a first-time play caller was i think their quarterbacks coach they're changing their coaching staff around quite a bit because daryl bevel has to miss the game uh so it's not just bevel it's and bevel and three defensive coaches their defensive play caller on sunday is going to be their research assistant geez and it's a guy who's been coaching football for a long time. He's still young, but he's been in the business for, I guess, a decade or so.
Starting point is 00:11:09 But he's only been on the offensive side of the ball or on special teams for a year, or he's been the assistant to the head coach. This is literally going to be the first time he's coached defense in his life. It's against Tom Brady and the Bucs. Was he the assistant to the regional manager? Something like that.
Starting point is 00:11:27 Yeah. Office humor. So, yeah. Anyway, does this news impact, let's say, DeAndre Swift or Marvin Jones? I don't think so. I mean, I think you look at it. First off, Marvin Jones gets a boost because Carlton Davis is doubtful. So that's a good sign for his upside. Staffordord basically gonna you know call plays himself i'm sure so
Starting point is 00:11:48 he's been in this system long enough obviously hawkins has been in the system long enough marvin jones same thing deandre swift i'm sure is is perfectly up to speed with everything it's a tough matchup for him but you can't get away from him he's better in ppr than non-ppr um like i would start melvin gordon over deandre swift and non- Like, I would start Melvin Gordon over DeAndre Swift in non-PPR. I would start Melvin Gordon over Swift in PPR. You wouldn't? In PPR, no.
Starting point is 00:12:11 But non-PPR, yes. I'm not there yet, but you've got to consider it that it could get pretty sideways here for Swift. I mean, what am I missing? Melvin Gordon... He's not catching passes.
Starting point is 00:12:23 Well, he might catch some passes. Just not a ton. He's not going passes. Well, he might catch some passes. He catches some, just not a ton. He's not going to have as many receiving guards as DeAndre Swift most likely. But I think he's going to have a lot more carries. He might have eight more carries than Swift. He's certainly not fighting with anyone for goal line work, which could be a problem for Swift.
Starting point is 00:12:40 And you just go back to the first four games of the season, and he was really good. Bill Palinzi only played in about one half of one of them. He was bad against one team, and who was it? The Bucs. He was really good in all the other games, but I guess I'm going to be super high on Melvin Gordon. I'm not going to have them rank far apart, but I just think PPR Swift is a little safer.
Starting point is 00:12:58 Okay. Henry Ruggs is off the reserve COVID list, so that is nice. He will play, and he will be catching passes from Derek Carr. Terry McLaurin and Marquise Brown both mispracticed, Dave. Are we starting to get a little worried about their availability? I'm not getting worried about
Starting point is 00:13:14 it. They've been limited or maybe in some cases out of practice. In the case of McLaurin, he's been limited lately anyway. We'll see if this is just maintenance for him and then you get them one practice before the game or not. Marquis Brown's a little bit of a different story.
Starting point is 00:13:29 Hopefully he's all right. Kyle Rudolph is going to be out this week. They have a Friday game. They have today game at new Orleans. So with Rudolph out, let's get one last word on Irv Smith, Jamie. I wouldn't trust him.
Starting point is 00:13:42 I mean, he's, he's in that desperation play at tight end uh the saints are obviously really good against defending the position they give up a touchdown to travis kelsey but i don't know if you can factor that in i believe it's the first touchdown that allowed the tight end since week seven so uh tough matchup he's you know his big games that come on four targets you know so you can't really bank on that necessarily being a, a consistent producer. So like I had Irv Smith in the semifinals and just to give you an example, like the tight end I'm currently using in one finals is Cole commit.
Starting point is 00:14:12 I think Cole commit is a higher ceiling this week against Jacksonville than Irv Smith does against the saints. I believe that in PPR. And I kind of believe in a non PPR too. And Irv Smith, I can't remember exactly what happened last week, but in the game, he made some type of mistake.
Starting point is 00:14:25 And all of a sudden, Tyler Conklin started getting more playing time. And Conklin even had like a screen pass that he caught and ran for a touchdown. I'm wondering if Conklin
Starting point is 00:14:34 is a real sneaky play in DFS. Okay. Yeah, I mean, it's a single game slate, so save some money. Traquan Smith is out, but Marquez Calloway could return this week for today's game. There's your sneak and play.
Starting point is 00:14:47 $200 on DraftKings. That's unbelievable. He's not that cheap on FanDuel. Okay, Marquez Calloway. And James Conner practiced in full, so expect him to go. The last three games we'll preview today are... Eric Ebron also practiced in full. Oh, great. Good, good, good. Giants-Ravens.
Starting point is 00:15:04 Denver, yes. Denver Chargers. The Colts are going to get revenge on him for all those drops. And Buffalo, New England. Those are the last three. So let's do the start-o-meter slash confidence-o-meter. Dave, I'll start with you. Giants and Ravens, who are you confidently starting other than Lamar Jackson?
Starting point is 00:15:20 J.K. Dobbins is someone I'm confidently starting. Mark Andrews is someone I'm confidently starting. Marquise is someone i'm confidently starting marquise brown is gonna be closer to a flex than a number two fantasy receiver but if i think lamar jackson's gonna go off of course i think marquise brown will do the same thing uh and that's really about it from the ravens i can't feel that good about gus edwards or willie sneed or any of those other guys uh for the Giants, I'm starting the following players confidently. And I'm done.
Starting point is 00:15:48 What about their Pro Bowl tight end? No. What a joke. It's ridiculous. Well, who else should have made the Pro Bowl? Goddard, maybe? I don't know. He missed time.
Starting point is 00:15:58 Hawkinson made it. Who's the guys there? Hawkinson and Ingram. Are there others? I don't know. I thought it was just them. It's got to be more than two, right? No. If there are only two, it's Hawkinson and Ingram. Are there others? I don't know. I thought it was just them. There's got to be more than two, right? No.
Starting point is 00:16:07 If there are only two, it's Hawkinson and Ingram from the NFC. I mean, I'd take Gronk over Ingram. What about Logan Thomas? Yeah, Gronk. Yeah, yeah. Those guys all could have made it over him. He's not even the best tight end in their division.
Starting point is 00:16:19 Not even the second best tight end in their division. Yeah. Okay, so... Okay. So, so... Okay, so basically... Just all systems go for the main players. I forgot one other item in that game, the Ravens DST.
Starting point is 00:16:36 Okay. I don't love Marquise Brown this week. I think, you know, Giants getting Bradbury back, you know, for what it's worth, they don't give up touchdowns to tight ends, to receivers, you know, the Giants can Bradbury back, uh, you know, for what it's worth, they don't give up touchdowns to tight ends to receivers. Excuse me. Um, so, you know, he's, uh, he's, he's had a nice little stretch, but I don't think he's going to score this week.
Starting point is 00:16:52 He doesn't score. I don't think it's going to be a huge game for him. They also are, they don't give up a lot of big plays. So we will see if they can hang with the Ravens, Denver and the chargers. Jamie, who are you confidently starting in Denver and Los Angeles? Melvin Gordon for the Broncos. And then for the chargers, Austin Eckler at this point is the only one I would say with confidence.
Starting point is 00:17:15 Okay. What about, what about Noah fan? That's where I was going to ask. Yeah. Yeah. I wouldn't put him in the confidence area, but I would start him.
Starting point is 00:17:22 I would start Justin Herbert too. I mean, you know, so if you're talking about just starts, then I think those guys qualify as starts, but in terms of confidence, the only ones would be the two running backs. Solid starts, I would say. There's a sleeper in this game. I think Tyron Johnson,
Starting point is 00:17:34 especially if Keenan Allen is still on the snap count or doesn't even play. I've liked what I've seen from him over the past few weeks. In DFS, you could consider somebody like Jalen Guyton got a lot of run last week yeah so why are you on team johnson over team guyton and by the way i watched twilight two the other day it was horrible only like 10 minutes but team edward team jacob you know why
Starting point is 00:17:54 are you on guyton over johnson why am i on johnson because i think johnson can do i think he he's kind of like a i'm not ready to say that he's a do-it-all receiver, but I think he can handle obviously anything in the short range and maybe some stuff long range too. Whereas I think Guyton has kind of been pegged as this deep threat specialist for LA. Guyton could end up being better. We might have even seen that last week. I'm not 100% on the stats, but I do feel like Johnson's maybe a little more well-rounded
Starting point is 00:18:25 at this point. He's not somebody that you're thinking about starting. I'm sorry, if Hunter Henry plays, are you confidently starting him? I don't think he can. I don't think he can. I think he's O-U-T. Well, I don't think so. If he went on
Starting point is 00:18:41 the reserve COVID list today, then yeah, but I wasn't clear on when he went on it. I know it was reported today. Let me see if I can figure that out. Buffalo and New England is our last game. Jamie, confidence starts in that game. Josh Allen, Stephon Diggs, and Cole Beasley if John Brown is out.
Starting point is 00:19:07 Okay, so far, I don't see anything that definitively says that Herbert is out this Sunday. Our latest update on our site says... Henry. What did I say? Herbert. Sorry, Hunter Henry is out. Yeah, our latest update says Anthony Lynn added
Starting point is 00:19:21 that Donald Parham would start if Henry is unable to play Sunday. So I think it might have been just kind of procedural. He's been on the reserve COVID list and we just found out. I think once you're on the reserve COVID list, you've got to wait five days to get off of it. I know that. I just don't think that today was the day he went on. That's my speculation. He practiced the start of the week with injury, with illness, is what they were calling it.
Starting point is 00:19:43 They didn't call it a COVID-related illness. And so it could be that they reported it to the league and then they officially put him on the list. But whenever they reported it to the league, it could count as the five-day period. I'm going to say pretty confidently, right? Well, fairly confidently that he has not been ruled out yet. I think you're
Starting point is 00:20:00 right that he has not been ruled out yet, but I don't know if he's still going to be eligible to play. I'm looking at an ESPN report that says that he's out for week 16. Well, then I am a little bit less confident than I was 15 seconds ago. Look, I don't cut him yet, just to be sure, but I'm thinking he doesn't
Starting point is 00:20:15 play. Can I give you the stat of the game for Buffalo, New England? I know it's not going to matter for a lot of people, but I really think this is so interesting. I just want to give Jacoby Myers some credit here. He's basically been involved for nine straight games. First three games, he had one target. Then he missed a couple, and then he came back.
Starting point is 00:20:33 So nine straight games. He is on pace for 85 catches and almost 1,100 yards and no touchdowns, which is weird. And in those nine games, he has a 29% target share, and he has 36.6% of New England's receiving yards. And he just had a 100-yard game. So, I mean,
Starting point is 00:20:52 all you need is for them to throw the ball a lot and he's probably going to be good. I'm certainly not saying to start Jacoby Myers, but I just, I was just blown away by that because I kept seeing,
Starting point is 00:21:00 I was like, God, he's having a lot of yards compared to Cam Newton's passing. 30, almost 37% of the team's receiving yards in his last nine games. That's really remarkable. And Jacoby Myers just deserves some credit. He's really had a good year. And that brings us to two teams who have also had a good year.
Starting point is 00:21:16 Indianapolis at Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh, last I checked, they were home underdogs. And they are struggling. All right. Here's your stat of the game. Jonathan Taylor. He's on fire. I think he's in your top seven.
Starting point is 00:21:29 He scored 15 or more non PPR, 19 or more PPR fantasy points in three straight games. He's had four good games in a row. And in those four games, he's faced three teams, Houston twice, Vegas and the Raider and the Packers. They are 28th,
Starting point is 00:21:44 30th and 31st against running backs. Steelers are second. Does that matter to you, Dave? How many touchdowns did Giovanni Bernard have on Monday? He had like 30 touches, which is wonderful. Touchdowns. He had two touchdowns, but he didn't... It's not like he ran all over them.
Starting point is 00:22:01 He had 25 carries for 83 yards. I would say that he was effective. And if Giovanni Bernard can be effective, then Jonathan Taylor should annihilate them. Okay. Okay, so we don't care. Don't care. Would you start a quarterback, Jamie?
Starting point is 00:22:17 And if so, who would it be in this game? I'd start Rivers over Roethlisberger at this point. You can't trust Big Ben. He looks lost. He looks absolutely lost. I will give you a statistic to encourage you, and then you will tell me you don't care because that is the proper way to approach it.
Starting point is 00:22:33 There have been seven quarterbacks with 37 or more pass attempts against the Colts. Five of them have thrown for 311 or more yards, and four of them scored 26 or more fantasy points. And Ben Roethlisberger is probably going to throw 37 or more yards and four of them scored 26 or more fantasy points. And Ben Roethlisberger is probably going to throw 37 or more times because he does basically every single game. But you don't care, right?
Starting point is 00:22:54 I mean, I would love to see Big Ben have a good game because I'm sure there are still people that are starting him. I've seen two quarterback in Superflex leagues. So for those people, I hope he comes out and plays well, but he just doesn't look right right now. I mean, he's holding the ball, you know, which is not a good sign for him at this point in his career. His receivers are dropping passes.
Starting point is 00:23:13 He's off target. You know, he's just not playing well at all, and I don't know if he's showing his age, if it's wear and tear, if the injuries are, you know, he's... Our Jason La Confora reported that he's been dealing with his knee injury. He denied it. Maybe that is something that is actually, you know, he's our Jason Lock and four reported that he's been dealing with his knee injury. He denied it.
Starting point is 00:23:26 Maybe that is something that is actually, you know, a problem for him. Who knows? It just, he doesn't look right at all. He looked pretty good coming out of the half last week.
Starting point is 00:23:34 He was miserable in the first half. I mean, he's going to have good moments. Obviously there's going to be times where he looks right, but it, you know, it's just the culmination of
Starting point is 00:23:41 the drop pass, like the Buffalo game, I think is where things kind of really just fell apart for them. Because Benji Deontay Johnson with Mike Tomlin coming in saying if they drop the ball, they're going to get pulled. And they take their best receiver off the field. I get it. You got to send some sort of message that this can't go on.
Starting point is 00:23:55 But it just feels as if it's been like a slow decline for how this offense has looked. And then last week against Cincinnati, everything just fell apart. Now, I do think that they'll play better. I do think they're going to win this game, but I don't think it's going to be because Roethlisberger comes out and lights up the Colts' defense. I just can't see it happening. So you're counting on James Conner to...
Starting point is 00:24:12 No, I'm counting on the defense to play well. I'm counting on the Steelers to win a low-scoring game. Okay. That's why I don't like either quarterback, but if I had to pick one, I think Roethlisberger's got more upside than Rivers. Yeah, Rivers has 21 or more points in four straight games. He hasn't had a lot of huge games, though,
Starting point is 00:24:27 so if you're looking for upside, that's something to consider. But most people aren't going to be starting either quarterback, so let's talk about the wide receivers. Dave, who's the best wide receiver in this game? T.Y. Hilton. I still have confidence in him, even though last week he didn't help you out. Deontay Johnson would be second on the list. I just think it's
Starting point is 00:24:44 clear that Deontay Johnson has been Roethlisberger's favorite target and it's going to continue to be that way. So Hilton won, Deontay too. And then if I had to pick a third one, it's Juju, but I'm not excited about Juju at all. I would go Hilton. I'm sorry. I'd go Deontay, long, big space, Hilton, big space, Juju, big space, everybody else. So why such a big space yeah okay that was my question you don't like hilton that much no i mean all of his games have come in very favorable uh scenarios all of them have been indoors uh this game will be outdoors he typically does not play great outdoors compared to indoors it's a much different defense much different secondary and so i don't see ty having a big game in this matchup. I think Rivers is going to be under duress.
Starting point is 00:25:26 At least they have time to throw the ball downfield. So I would try and sit TY Hilton this week if you can. Dave, your rebuttal? I just think TY Hilton is the top target in the offense. Don't think they'll necessarily throw a ton unless they absolutely have to, but I agree that it could be kind of a sloppy game and one that doesn't have a ton of passing, but I think TY can score.
Starting point is 00:25:49 The Steelers' defense just doesn't scare me like it did three or four weeks ago. They've lost enough pieces on that D that I think it's going to make it a little easier on the Colts to operate. It's a really weird matchup because, you know, they've given up 14 or more PPR fantasy points to a wide receiver in seven of their last eight games.
Starting point is 00:26:09 But at the same time, they did great against Terry McLaurin, DJ Chark for what that's worth, Amari Cooper they did great against, Jarvis Landry, Brandon Cooks. You know, sometimes they're really great against these tough receivers and sometimes they're just not. All right, two different perspectives on T.Y. Hilton. Jonathan Taylor is a must-start, and what about the Steelers' running backs?
Starting point is 00:26:31 Jamie, how are we approaching them now that it looks like Conner's in? I would try and stay away from both of them. I mean, you just don't know how this is going to play out in terms of touches. James Conner's been miserable. How healthy is he? I know he's practicing full, but that could be misleading. So I just don't think you can count on a big enough workload
Starting point is 00:26:50 and a tough matchup to trust him to the extent that you were earlier this season. The sample size is big enough, and who knows what role Snell will have. Because if you're just looking at who's been the most effective, it's like the Cowboys only on a lower scale. The backup's been more effective than the starter. So will they continue to lean on Benny Snell? How do you guys feel about the DSTs? Dave, I'll give you the first word.
Starting point is 00:27:11 Are you looking to stream someone or are you starting the Steelers or Colts? I'd be okay starting either one. They're not going to be anywhere in my top five or anything like that. Steelers are significantly ahead of the Colts. I guess it's just based on pedigree a little bit.
Starting point is 00:27:30 Maybe they can get to Phillip Rivers a couple of times and sack them. But neither one is what I would consider an elite level or even a very good level DST. All right, cool. That works. Jamie, anything to add or are we good? No, I think there's a lot of streamers. I would start over both of them, but I just don't think they're great mean there's a lot of streamers I would start over both of them but I don't I just don't think there's they're they're great Bears and Cardinals are the two that come to mind
Starting point is 00:27:51 yeah okay Cincinnati's at Houston and check it out people the Bengals defense has gotten a lot better lately now is it competition maybe but it has to be said in their last five games they're one in four but they've given
Starting point is 00:28:06 up 20, 19, 19, 23, and 17 offensive points. That does not count a defensive score for the Cowboys. So no more than 23 points to any team. Washington, Giants, Dolphins, Cowboys, Steelers. And they're giving up, in their
Starting point is 00:28:22 last six games, 4.25 yards per carry to running backs, which isn't amazing, but it's much, much better than what they used to be giving up. And you remember I kept giving this stat about how every wide receiver who got six or more targets against the Bengals
Starting point is 00:28:35 would get 84 yards or a touchdown, like clockwork. It was almost every single one. Like Jarvis Landry was like the only one who didn't. Well, in their last four games, there've been seven wide receivers who have had six or more targets and have not had good games. So they've gotten a lot.
Starting point is 00:28:52 They did, right? He was one who did, but Juju and Claypool both had seven or more, six or more targets and they failed. Michael Gallup, Devante Parker, Jakeem Grant, Sterling Shepard,
Starting point is 00:29:01 Golden Tate, all of them in the last four games, six or more targets, and didn't really come through with good games. So it's just something to consider here. Does that give you any hesitation, Jamie, in starting your Texans? None whatsoever.
Starting point is 00:29:17 I think it's going to be a great game for them. This is the easiest matchup that they faced since Thanksgiving. And I think they're going to take advantage of it. So I'm excited about Deshaun Watson. I'm excited about Brandon Cooks. I would still give strong consideration to Kiki Kuti. And obviously, I like David Johnson a lot.
Starting point is 00:29:36 So I'm not getting away from the Texans I've been starting. And that includes Kuti, who's, like I said, been on a nice little roll without Will Fuller there. At least on the offensive side of the ball, I feel like the Bengals have to prove it again. And I know the matchup is a lot easier this week than it was last week for them, but I'm still not buying in to what happened. I mean, there were so many turnovers that the Steelers gave to the Bengals that it helped them build their lead in the first half last week.
Starting point is 00:30:01 Yeah. I'm not buying what happened. I'm not buying what I saw. Short week on the road is always tough in the NFL half last week. Yeah. I'm just, I'm not buying what happened. I'm not buying what I saw. Short week on the road is always tough in the NFL this time of year. Mm-hmm. Yeah, and I'm not saying that they have a good defense. I'm simply pointing out that they've actually
Starting point is 00:30:14 done a pretty good job defensively lately. This will be a different beast with the way Watson is playing for sure. All right, so does anybody like QT better than Cooks, by the way, or are we still Cooks number one? I was tempted to put it that way, but I can't do it because I think Cooks has just given that safe 11 point PPR floor that QT,
Starting point is 00:30:35 you can't say the same thing for. So I have Cooks rated higher, but I'm not in love with Cooks. He's not in my top 24 receiver. Jamie, do you have Cooks or Hilton higher? Oh, Cooks. Much, much, much, much bigger ceiling for Cooks this week.
Starting point is 00:30:50 Okay, and Dave has Hilton ahead of Cooks. How about Giovanni Bernard against a team that has given up double-digit non-PPR fantasy points in 13 of 14 games to a running back? That would be the Texans. Don't hate him. They're horrible. Would you take him or Brandon cooks?
Starting point is 00:31:05 I would start Brandon cooks. There's much, again, much higher ceiling for him, but I would start Giovanni Bernard over the Steelers running backs. Yep. I would start him over Daryl Henderson. I would start him over.
Starting point is 00:31:18 How about a bills or Patriots running back? I started him over the bills running back. I started him over the Patriots running backs. Juju? He might be the line between low-end number two running backs and
Starting point is 00:31:33 middle-of-the-pack flexes. He might be the best high-end flex. Yeah, I might be starting him in one championship game if I don't get Antonio Gibson or James Robinson back. Right, and that's a perfect spot for him. He's a full-in running back. Love it, but I don't get Antonio Gibson or James Robinson back. Right, and that's like a perfect spot for him. He's like a fill-in running back. I love it, but I don't hate it.
Starting point is 00:31:49 It's such a good matchup. And again, you go back to the Dallas game was the most frustrating thing for Giovanni Bernard's fantasy managers because I think that was kind of like the last chance that you gave him because the matchup was good, and then he fumbled in the game and they benched him. And so it was nice to see him come back and get rewarded with a strong performance against the Steelers. And that was very atypical game because you mentioned the work.
Starting point is 00:32:14 He had 26 total touches in that game. 25 of those were carries. You know, that's not something we're used to seeing. So probably chasing points, probably involved in the passing game. So helpful for you in PPR, as long as he can get you some semblance of total yards, maybe chance to score, he can be a borderline starter in PPR for sure. You want to know the funniest thing about last week?
Starting point is 00:32:33 He got all that work and he still shared with two other guys. The third series of the game went to Samaj P. Ryan. The fourth series of the game went to Travion Williams. And they each had a series of possession for the Bengals in the second half too. And P. Ryan was taking Bernard off the field in spots. So it's crazy. I wonder if
Starting point is 00:32:53 there was just like a ridiculously high concentration of Gio getting touches on his snaps. Maybe. Probably what happened. Yeah. And obviously you don't expect them to be nursing a big lead and running the ball 25 times with Geo, so the catches should go up. How about, we're not starting Higgins or Green, right?
Starting point is 00:33:13 I don't mind T. Higgins this week either. You're looking at a really bad secondary, again, chasing points. The one concern I have, and I don't understand what the Bengals are doing, Brandon Allen's expected to start now. So I don't know why you would bench Ryan Finley after the performance that he had last week, because not like he was great, but at least he had 13 passes, didn't he?
Starting point is 00:33:30 Right, but they don't trust him. That's what he looked. He looked more confident in what they were asking him to do than what Brandon Allen has done in the starts that he's had. So, you know, if you want to be concerned about the quarterback play, I get that. I don't think anybody is starting T Higgins with any semblance of confidence,
Starting point is 00:33:45 but Tyler Boyd is not expected to play. So now you have more target chances, more opportunities for both of those guys. And so with what T. Higgins has shown you, body of work over the season, you're obviously buying to him more than A.J. Green. So like you said, Adam, chasing points, concentrated targets. I don't think T. Higgins is terrible this week. Gio, by the way, had 26 touches on 38 snaps. He played 68% of the snaps.
Starting point is 00:34:11 That's pretty normal for him. That's like almost 70% of his snaps he got a touch. If you do that with a feature back that plays 60 snaps, I mean, you're talking about like 40 snaps somewhere around that, or 40 touches rather, somewhere there. So that's a crazy high concentration last week for geo yeah i'm i don't think there's a chance he matches that this week all right let's move on let's get going here a little bit um david johnson's the start of the week we like him a lot uh deshaun watson so are we starting jaylen hurts or deshaun watson
Starting point is 00:34:40 hurts but i love i love all these guys. There there's, there's legitimately seven quarterbacks. Uh, you know, we talked about Lamar Jackson. He's in that mix. Hertz is in that mix. Watson's in that mix. You know, you know, the usual guys of Murray, Allen, Mahomes and Rogers, they're, they're all going to be competing to be the number one quarterback this week. If things go right. I think that list is nine deep, not seven deep. Brady should be in that list. I think Tanne Brady should be in that list. I think Tannehill should be in that list. There are a lot of really good quarterbacks this week.
Starting point is 00:35:10 All right. Are there good tight ends? Is Jordan Aikens one that you would consider? If you're stuck. I mean, he knows back-to-back league with six targets. So it's a good matchup. Yeah, that ain't nothing. And he just keeps dropping touchdowns. We got robbed of seeing what Ebron could have done last week.
Starting point is 00:35:26 Cincinnati gives up the fifth most fantasy points to tight ends. Houston's DST is 14th for Dave and Jamie, not ranked for Heath. We go to Cleveland at the Jets. Let me ask you this. Any wide receiver in this game that you would start over Brandon Cooks? I would start Jarvis Landry over DK Metcalf. Get out of here. Yep.
Starting point is 00:35:48 Wow. That's hot. That's a hot take, but I get it. You're worried about DK having a good game against Jalen Ramsey, and he hasn't exactly been lighting the world on fire lately anyway, and when he did, it was against the Jets,
Starting point is 00:36:03 and that's who Landry's got this week. So I get where you're coming from. I just don't know if I have the stones to pull off such a move. Yes, I would start Landry over Cooks. He's not really doing that well. Am I the only one noticing this? Like, I know he's scoring.
Starting point is 00:36:18 He's okay. He's better than he was earlier this year. He blew up against Jacksonville. 143 yards. Since then... And he's facing Jacksonville part two. 62 yards, 52 yards, 61 yards. The Jets haven't been as bad.
Starting point is 00:36:32 They're 22nd against wide receivers. They did not look like the Jets last week. They were getting to jerk off at an alarming rate in their secondary. They played pretty well. Quentin Williams out, though. They played pretty well for the Jets. They didn't play pretty well compared to the best secondaries in the league,
Starting point is 00:36:48 but the pass rush was. If Quinn and Williams was playing for the Jets this week, I'd have a little bit of concern for them keeping it fairly close with the Browns. But with him out, I just don't think it's much of a match. Right. And that brings us to Mayfield. It's just like, is he going to throw enough? Does it matter?
Starting point is 00:37:08 He's top 13. He's on fire right now. He is, yeah, playing beautiful football. You can't touch him. His offensive line's been amazing. Yep. Receiving core is playing great. I think Rashad Higgins is in play too as a sleeper if you're stuck.
Starting point is 00:37:22 Obviously, Austin Hooper based on the matchup, what we saw from him last week. This is a great setup for the Browns. And, you know, the only one that makes me concerned is Kareem Hunt. And I told you this a few times this week. When they've been winning, he's been miserable. When they were trailing and chasing points
Starting point is 00:37:38 against Baltimore, this recent four-game stretch was his best game. In the games where they were winning, we talk about him usually as a pass catching running back. He's got seven catches in those three victories. He's got nine targets in those three victories. He's got one total touchdown in those three victories. It's the Nick Chubb show. Now you could obviously say that he gets some garbage time run. He didn't last week. They went to Dearness Johnson. So I don't know if Kareem Hunt is trustworthy. It's hard to
Starting point is 00:38:04 bench him because of what the opportunity is, and he could easily be the one that gets the goal line chance. But I just don't think you could trust him. Would you start Frank Gore over Kareem Hunt? No, I'm not at that point. And I would still start Kareem Hunt over Geo. That's the one that I keep going back and forth on. I just don't love Kareem Hunt based on what the trend has been for when they're winning.
Starting point is 00:38:28 He's a touchdown or bust running back. I think that's just the way to quantify him because how many games this year does he have a lot of yards and no touchdowns? It just seems like when he's scoring, he's rolling. Without Nick Chubb, he has a lot. With Nick Chubb, not so much. All right, that's fair.
Starting point is 00:38:42 Yeah. Well, then let me give you the stat of the game here. It's actually about Frank Gore. A Jets running back has had 15 or more carries in four of the last five games. A Jets running back has scored eight or more non-PPR and 11 or more PPR fantasy points in four of the last five games.
Starting point is 00:38:58 The one exception was the Seattle game where they kind of used the rotation and they got blown out. But I've been pretty surprised at how good Frank Gore, how fantasy effective he's been in three of his last four games, basically, and not including the one where he left early. Then he leaves early and Ty Johnson has a huge game against the Raiders. So it's kind of weird.
Starting point is 00:39:19 The number one running back for the Jets has been a solid start in four of the last five games. Does that mean anything, Dave? I still feel like you have to be several shades of desperate to trust Frank Gore in week 16. Deep league, maybe start three running backs. Sure. Of course, he's in that mix. Maybe even a deep league and you're really stuck at running back.
Starting point is 00:39:42 Gore might be on the waiver wire. You could plug him in there and hope that he gets you eight to ten points non-PPR or PPR. But I really don't feel comfortable expecting him to do what he did last week, for example. All right, we have been waiting all year for a team to emerge as last year's Cardinals against the tight ends. And it has happened.
Starting point is 00:40:04 The Jets are that team now. There are a few teams that areinals against the tight ends. And it has happened. The Jets are that team now. There are a few teams that are really bad against tight ends. The Bears, Chiefs have been really bad lately. The Jets are on another level. The Bengals, yeah. The Jets are on another level, though. It is like an automatic. So how much do you like Austin Hooper, Jamie?
Starting point is 00:40:21 I like him a lot. I mean, he's not a slam dunk because last week was the first time that we saw a little bit of a spike in targets. But, you know, I could see two for 20 and a touchdown for him, two for 20 and a touchdown for Harris Bryant, two for 20 and a touchdown for David Njoku. I mean, they're all in play. You know, it's just that's how bad they are. So it's just a matter of which is going to be the one that scores. You hope it's just that's how bad they are. So it's just a matter of which is going to be the one that scores. You hope it's Hooper. You hope last week.
Starting point is 00:40:47 Heath talked about this on Monday that before the appendix, and he was basically consistently five or six targets, or five catches a week on six targets in the first three games without Beckham. And then he had the appendix and he came back and it was two targets, two targets, five targets, two targets. He just wasn't, you know, as involved. And then last week we saw the spike after coming back from missing a game
Starting point is 00:41:09 with a neck injury. So hopefully that's the, uh, that's the type of guy we're getting because the matchup is just so perfect. So I hope Austin Hooper takes advantage of it. Austin Hooper, Evan Ingram,
Starting point is 00:41:19 Hooper, Hooper, Austin Hooper, or George Kittle. Kittle. I hope it's Kittle. I really do, but it wouldn't surprise me if Hooper is better. Hooper. Austin Hooper or George Kittle? Kittle. I hope it's Kittle. I really do. But it wouldn't surprise me if Hooper's better.
Starting point is 00:41:28 Hooper or Higby? Kittle's got more upside. Hooper or Higby? That's the one I struggle with. I'm going with Higby right now just because he's gotten a few more target opportunities consistently. Not last week, but his matchup's pretty good, too. It's hard to overlook what his situation is also. I could see both of these guys having big games,
Starting point is 00:41:48 but I could also see both of them letting you down. I would start both of them over Dallas Goddard, though. Okay. All right. Show me the way to go home, Austin Hooper. Right to the championship. And let's talk more about Jarvis Landry. Jamie started him over DK Metcalf.
Starting point is 00:42:04 Dave, would you start him over Nelson Aguilar? Oh, yeah. I think he's earned the trust as a number two fantasy receiver. And the Jets have allowed 11 touchdowns to a receiver in their past seven games. They're not an amazing unit against the pass just because they beat the Rams one week. I mean, Robert Woods scored on him.'m i'm reasonably confident that jarvis landry all the good game
Starting point is 00:42:29 it's just will he have a great game does he have that type of upside oh uh you know who he wants to stick it to on the other side that's true that's that's a good point i didn't really think about that um he could very easily get you six for 50 50 and a touchdown. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. But I think that it, that's that, that almost feels close to his ceiling. Ooh, I would hope,
Starting point is 00:42:52 I would hope six for 50 was his worst game in his last four. So if that's a touchdown, I don't know what his floor is. Yeah, but I can't, but his, but he's been what? 62 or fewer yards,
Starting point is 00:43:00 three straight games. In fact, Rashard Higgins is out yarded him three straight games. People. And that's really something to say about Rashard Higgins has out-yarded him three straight games. And that's really something to say about Rashard Higgins. That's why you should be paying attention to him as well, as Jamie mentioned. He's a sleeper. Yeah, he's a good sleeper. I started him over Tyler Lockett
Starting point is 00:43:14 and Juju. Wow. I love the boldness. I'm going to give you some... I think Melvin Gordon's top five this week. That's my Jarvis Landry is better than Lockett similarity or whatever, laying it down. I'm going to tell you that right now.
Starting point is 00:43:29 He's top five. If Phillip Lindsay's out. Dave, you want to give me something spicy for Christmas? I mean, I've already got Lamar Jackson as my number one quarterback. Yeah. Anything else in your rankings that's like, whoa? Not that I can think of off the top of my head.
Starting point is 00:43:47 Okay. In my mind, I was just like, I was a cartoon and my eyeballs popped out of my head like really far and then came back in. Yeah. Starters at Jamison Crowder and then we'll move on. Move on from Jamison Crowder. Okay, we'll set them.
Starting point is 00:44:03 Cleveland's DST is top three. Chicago at Jacksonville. All right, we're updating our stat of the game. Every week with Jacksonville, we are now in their last 11 games. How many wide receivers have 77 yards or a touchdown against the Jaguars in their last 11 games?
Starting point is 00:44:20 20. Three more last week. Marquise Brown, Des Bryant, Miles Boykin. Brian and Boykin, very, very low yardage totals, but caught a touchdown. Another revenge game. Oh, boy. I hope he plays. He mispracticed on Thursday. I hope it's just maintenance.
Starting point is 00:44:35 God, do I hope Alan Robinson plays. Yeah, he's top seven for everybody, but I think Mooney's a sleeper, too. Mooney! He scored in two straight games. He's become less of a deep ball guy and more of a short area yards after catch
Starting point is 00:44:52 guy. I like those types of guys against Jacksonville because their secondary sucks. It's going to be interesting to see how much they throw. I think they're going to throw a decent amount. Is there a scenario where you're starting Trubisky or Baker Mayfield? I know they're very close decent amount. Is there a scenario where you're starting Trubisky or Baker Mayfield? I know they're very close in the rankings over Justin Herbert.
Starting point is 00:45:09 I'm not there yet. If Keenan Allen is out, then I would start Baker over him, yes. I would not start Trubisky over him. What's the difference between Mayfield and Trubisky? I mean, Baker's got four straight games of very consistent production, and Trubisky's got two. I think Trubisky's got a little more upside than Baker. Trubisky played really well against Detroit,
Starting point is 00:45:31 didn't have a big fantasy game. I can see the same thing happening this week. David Montgomery's just playing out of his mind right now. Yeah, and this was a team that was throwing 40 times every game, and in their last three games, Trubisky's thrown 34, 33, and 21 times. So he's not throwing much. This was hard for me to figure out. They're not running really fewer plays than they had been in their last four games. Not really. And they're not running the ball that much. Their running back carries the last four games have been 13, 27, 17, and 33. So two very high, two kind of low.
Starting point is 00:46:07 It's weird. Well, those were the games that Trubisky didn't have a monster numbers either, the 27 and the 33 game. That's true. The two games where they really pounded the rock, Trubisky played pretty well, but didn't get that second touchdown. And the two games where they didn't run the ball that much,
Starting point is 00:46:25 he has scored 24 and 30 fantasy points. So, yeah, he's probably going to play well. Will he score enough touchdowns? The Jaguars allow the second most fantasy points to quarterbacks. But who are you starting Trubisky over, Dave? I'm starting him over Baker. I'm starting both of them over Russell Wilson. I'm starting both of them over Matt Wilson. I'm starting both of them over
Starting point is 00:46:45 Matt Ryan, Ben Roethlisberger, Phillip Rivers, Kirk Cousins, Derek Carr. The only thing you got to worry about with this game is it's going to be over at halftime. I don't. I have a weird feeling Jacksonville puts up a fight. They almost always do. Yeah, but they got the gift of all
Starting point is 00:47:01 gifts now. They don't have to. They're not playing at all. You say that, but the players don't see it that way. The coaches definitely don't see it that way. We talk about this every year. Speak volumes to what they're going to do. James Robinson doesn't play in this game. It's a pretty good indication that they're trying to lose. No.
Starting point is 00:47:16 No, no. They're not trying to lose. The players don't give a crap about getting the number one pick. The only person that doesn't give a crap about it is Gardner Minshew. No, they don't care about that. And I should clarify that they've gotten their asses kicked two games in a row. But before that, they really did do a good job being competitive. This team is terrible.
Starting point is 00:47:37 It is absolutely terrible. And they have everything in front of them set up for next season. You think the players are going on the field? Yes, they do. Oh, Jamie, come on. Well, maybe DJ Shark and LaVisca Chenault. Maybe them. Yes. Everybody that's coming back next year wants to
Starting point is 00:47:51 lose this game. Right, but that's like half the team. I don't agree with you. They'll be influenced by the other half of the team and the coaching staff isn't coming back next year. They want to win the game. Doug Marone said as much this week. Doug Marone was very real about it. He knows what's going on, but he wants to win the game. The Jets said as much this week. Doug Marone was very real about it. He knows what's going on, but he wants to win the game. The Jets were exuberant
Starting point is 00:48:08 last week. They were exuberant. Yes, and they bleeped up their whole future. Yeah, but that's the point. They don't care. That's a 10-year loss that they suffered right there. They don't care. Congratulations. That's your evidence that the players don't think like this. Yes. They don't care about what's going on. Yes, there are going to be players out there
Starting point is 00:48:24 that are trying to win the game. All of them. They do not have the personnel to make the effort to win this game that they're going to need. And the Bears are playing great right now. That's another argument. That's another argument. I don't think they're going to win, but I do think it won't be over by halftime.
Starting point is 00:48:40 David Montgomery's top five. Start him. And Allen Robinson's amazing. Darnell Mooney. Darnell Mooney or Rashard Higgins Alan Robinson's amazing. Darnell Mooney. Darnell Mooney or Rashard Higgins? Higgins. Darnell Mooney or Christian Kirk? Mooney. Mooney or...
Starting point is 00:48:55 Lazard or MVS? Mooney. Lazard. Okay. Cole Komet is higher. Jamie's the only one who's got him inside the top 20. Jacksonville's really bad against tight ends. Touchdown.
Starting point is 00:49:13 He played 100% of the snaps last week. Wow. Hopefully those targets go back to seven like we saw the two previous games. Yeah. And then is there any Jaguar you're starting? And I will include James Robinson because you know if he plays, he's not going to be 100%. Is there any Jaguar you're starting? And I will include James Robinson because you know if he plays, he's not going to be 100%. Is there any Jaguar you're starting?
Starting point is 00:49:28 You're going to start Robinson if he plays, but that's it. You're done with DJ Chark by now. It's too cute to go with Gardner Minshew. They may not score. Or they might score three touchdowns. This is the Bears we're talking about. They're not exactly a shut down team.
Starting point is 00:49:46 And Jacksonville's going to be fired up. Last home game of the year. I'm telling you. I hope they start Glennon so it's even worse. Well, yeah. If they don't start Minshew, I'd be pretty disappointed. The Bears really are just
Starting point is 00:50:01 not good. They've won two games in a row. They lost six in a row before that. They are, they are a BS team. Nobody's taking it seriously, but they're playing a high school team. I'm so mad. Cause I,
Starting point is 00:50:15 cause I got a lot of heat when I, when I said they were going to go, Oh, and 16, they won their first freaking game and people got all over me and they are rewarding my faith in them. They are horrible. Would you start James Robinson or DeAndre
Starting point is 00:50:29 Swift? Robinson. Robinson or Dobbins? Well, let me clarify. A key mix mispractice on Thursday. That would probably change things if James Robinson doesn't get any semblance of practice. But a fixed place then Robinson is not going to be great.
Starting point is 00:50:48 If they win, like if the Jaguars win this game, I'm not saying that you have to go all pick six, Ryan Wilson, and get a tattoo, but you have to do something. You owe it to Jaguars fans everywhere if they win this game to do something. I'll apologize to the three of them. All right. We're going to the three of them. All right.
Starting point is 00:51:07 We're going to take a break here. Finish up. I think we got four games left. Whoa, Trevor Lawrence. That'd be the dumbest thing in the history of them. I'm telling you, they're going to win. And then the Jets are going to win. And it's just going to be like.
Starting point is 00:51:17 I was making a bet. Maybe we should have a bet. I'm going to be Jaguars in the points. Loser has to wear a Minshew. If Minshew starts, I will take the Jaguars plus seven no about doing that no I think you absolutely should
Starting point is 00:51:30 loser has to wear the Minshew I can't grow a Minshew I have to paint it out you just grow the hair oh that I'm pretty close alright we gotta take a break here we'll figure out the bet no this is not a bathroom break, sickos. We'll be right back.
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Starting point is 00:52:48 Get the Rakuten app or join at Rakuten.ca. R-A-K-U-T-E-N.C-A. Atlanta at Kansas City. Well, you know what to do with Kansas City. So we'll talk more about Le'Veon Bell, but you're starting the big three. So how about this fun little stat that doesn't matter, but you're starting the big three. So how about, how about this fun little stat
Starting point is 00:53:06 that doesn't matter, but I'll give it to you anyway. Kansas City has given up 11 or more non-PPR fantasy points to a running back. That's a lot. In five of the last six games.
Starting point is 00:53:16 And that would be McCaffrey, Jacobs, Ronald Jones, Melvin Gordon, and Alvin Kamara. So, here comes Ido Smith. Ido Smith.
Starting point is 00:53:24 Do you think he'll get enough work? Do you think that he's a sleeper or just a straight up sit? I wouldn't want to trust. I mean, you got to be in the desperate of desperate situations to trust Ido. I'm starting Frank Gore ahead of him easily. Yeah. It's a shame because
Starting point is 00:53:39 I feel like if this were a week eight, then we'd be like, hey, you might need Ido Smith. There might be a chance here. We'd tell you to stash him. We wouldn't tell you to start him. No, but if you were in the thick of bi-weeks and injuries, then that he comes more into play.
Starting point is 00:53:53 But you know, if you made it to your championship game, and this is the desperation that you're in, you know, because maybe you're counting on McCaffrey to come back. And, uh, James Robinson was a guy you were leaning on,
Starting point is 00:54:02 you know, those types of scenarios. Like I would start Edo Smith over the Jaguars backup, so that's where you're at. Okay, let's talk about Matt Ryan. Matt Ryan is top 17, but no higher than 14th. And the Chiefs have been really bad against quarterbacks lately. They've given up 25 or more points to five of the last six quarterbacks they've faced in six points for passing touchdown leagues. That is not good. Ryan had a huge game, huge half,
Starting point is 00:54:29 as Dave has pointed out, and struggled in the second half, but that has been the only time he's been good without Julio Jones. So, Jamie, start or sit, Matt Ryan? I mean, the easy answer is to say sit, and if you look at the body of work, most of his big games have come at home as well so it's hard to trust him without julio and i do think calvin really is gonna have a good game i
Starting point is 00:54:51 do think russell gage is gonna have a good game so you know take that for what it's worth but he could still go for you know north of 250 and one touchdown and those guys in ppr have big performances it's a lot of itodo Smith at the goal line. If you ask me, Russell gauge. Yeah. So Calvin Ridley is a, is a stud three straight games with a hundred yards.
Starting point is 00:55:12 Russell gauge has been really good. His PPR fantasy points in his last five games, 12, six, 15, 13, 17. And that does not even count the passing touchdown and facing a team that
Starting point is 00:55:23 gives up the third fewest points to wide receiver so i know there's no way we're sitting calvin ridley but dave what are your expectations for russell gage would you start him over kiki qt would you start him over richard higgins yes i'd start him over both those guys i think he's got a pretty i don't want to say 15 ppr points is his floor he's been around there obviously you just said it over his last three games i think he's had at least 15 in his last three games. It wouldn't surprise me if he was around, like if the floor was like 12 PPR
Starting point is 00:55:50 points. So I think he is good to go for that. It's going to be just like every other game for the Falcons where they're throwing a lot. It goes without saying against Kansas City that that's going to be the case and Matt Ryan likes him. He makes a mistake every game and Matt Ryan doesn't stop throwing at him. So would you start him over Jeff Wilson?
Starting point is 00:56:09 I don't think I would do that. I would consider it in full PPR, but I'm pretty sure I'd lean toward Wilson against the Cardinals. Okay. Hayden Hurst is a sit, although you could make a case for him because the Chiefs have been that bad against tight ends.
Starting point is 00:56:24 I think he's as high as 13th in PPR, but he's not... He just doesn't get targets. Yeah, not someone who's real to that. It's so hard to trust him. Mahomes, yes. Hill, yes. Kelsey, yes. And Le'Veon Bell.
Starting point is 00:56:38 All right. Jamie, what's Le'Veon Bell going to do in this game? Look into the future. I think you should anticipate, you know, summer in the neighborhood of 15 total touches. He got that last week with Edward Siller playing. So, you know, hopefully that's what the scenario is for him this week. And we've seen the last three weeks that the Falcons' run defense
Starting point is 00:56:57 has been a little bit shaky compared to where it was when it started with Raheem Morris. You know, not in terms of big yardage games, but mostly touchdowns. And as you saw last week with Leonard Fournette scoring twice. So if he gets 15 total touches, I think he'll be in the neighborhood of probably 11 to 12 PPR points if he doesn't score. And if he does score, then he can have a bigger game than that. You know, I'll go back to what I said on Tuesday. I think there's two schools of thought with this from the Chiefs perspective. One, you want to get him as much work maybe as you potentially think he needs
Starting point is 00:57:27 to get him fully vested in this offense if he needs it. The other part of it is, do you want to be cautious with him? Because if he gets hurt, then you're down to Darrell Williams and you're stuck if Edward Talaire is not there by the playoffs. So I just don't know how Andy Reed and the Chiefs are going to approach it in terms of what the workload is. I'm sure they would probably like to get a big lead, have him do something in the third quarter and not play him in the fourth quarter. And so because of that, he's a low-end number two running back. Whereas if this was just Edward Soler, for example, by himself, middle of the season, he would be in the top 10.
Starting point is 00:57:56 Would you guys start Le'Veon Bell or Kenyon Drake? Drake. Drake has him now, especially if Edmonds is out. Le'Veon Bell or JD McKissick, PPR? McKissick. Bell or Kareem Hunt? Bell. I'll go Le'Veon there.
Starting point is 00:58:13 And I'm not quite as optimistic as Jamie is, but I do think he does make the cut as a number two fantasy running back. But I feel like if he doesn't score, it could be more like nine or 10 PPR points. I think he'll be okay. I think it'll get decent work. I don't think the matchup is easy at all.
Starting point is 00:58:29 And we know that Patrick Mahomes does like to take over. This is the Kansas city offense. Andy reads at the helm. He loves to use my homes there. The nice thing about it is Le'Veon Bell can catch the ball. We've seen it before. We've seen it off and on in his time with the chiefs. I think three,
Starting point is 00:58:44 three catches is definitely reasonable for him in this game. The Falcons have allowed 100 yards or a touchdown to multiple wide receivers in three straight games. Michael Thomas and Traquan Smith, Tyron Johnson and Keenan Allen and all three Tampa Bay wide receivers had either 100 yards or a touchdown. Does that give you any hope? Is there a sleeper wide receiver in this game? Watkins, Hardman? They don't really... I don't know.
Starting point is 00:59:09 It's surprising that they don't do more than what we see. You could talk me into Watkins and DFS. I'm not ready to put him in the number three receiver range this week. Okay. The Giants are at the Ravens. And sit Daniel Jones. Sit all the Giants.
Starting point is 00:59:27 Yeah. Even Ingram. Yeah, Ingram. Ingram or Hayden Hurst? Hurst. Okay. Let me say this about Ingram. When Daniel Jones was healthy,
Starting point is 00:59:40 it's been like four games, basically, Ingram was getting nine or ten targets in like four of his last five games, and he made the Pro Bowl, so... I'll go with Ingram over Hurst and PPR. Okay, this hasn't been... The Ravens have a good defense, but covering tight ends hasn't been their forte.
Starting point is 00:59:57 They're also a little banged up on defense. Got to see if Jimmy Smith and Marcus Peters play. I think Smith has a very good chance to play. Not sure about Peters, but whatever. It's probably going to be a butt kicking. Lamar Jackson, seventh for Jamie,
Starting point is 01:00:10 eighth for Heath and first for Dave. I don't really think we have to debate that. I think everybody's pretty much on board with starting Lamar Jackson. It's just a matter of which I would say, you know, difference between one and seven is probably a point. Okay. So let's talk about Dobbins guys.
Starting point is 01:00:24 He was the start of the week last week and he came through, Jamie. What does he do for an encore? I think he's going to have a similar game flow. He didn't play very much in the second half because they didn't need him. I think it's going to be the same thing for a lot of the Ravens guys, including Lamar Jackson. They should have an opportunity here. The Giants run defense
Starting point is 01:00:40 has obviously been very consistent and a good defense. I wouldn't call it a great defense, but a good defense. The Raven't call it a great defense, but good defense. But the Ravens run attack when everybody's there is typically hard to defend. So I hope that the Ravens don't go back to where they were at the beginning of the season. They're obviously getting a lot of questions about Mark Ingram. Why isn't he playing? If he plays, you know, you got to be a little concerned that maybe they give too much work
Starting point is 01:00:59 to Ingram and not as much to Dobbins. But Dobbins is so dominated touches for them the last few weeks in terms of what their running back touches. So I think he's a very safe number to running back, obviously better in non PPR than PPR. It was nice that he had the 17 yard reception last week, but it was fluky. So 60,
Starting point is 01:01:16 70 yards on the ground, obvious chance to score, you know, puts him in your starting lineup more times than not. All right. How would you compare him to Mike Davis and DeAndre Swift, those kind of mid-tier RB2s?
Starting point is 01:01:32 I would start him over Davis in both formats, even though he doesn't catch passes. I just don't like Mike Davis as we're taking on Washington. I would start Swift over Dobbins and PPR just based on the catch potential. I want to ask you guys philosophically about this game. The Ravens are 10.5-point favorites. They're playing really well.
Starting point is 01:01:49 And the Giants have basically had no quarterback for the last three weeks. They went to Seattle and won, and I think they were 10.5-point dogs, something like that. Let's say this game were being played, you know, after that. I'm wondering this game were being played after that. I'm wondering if people are
Starting point is 01:02:08 overreacting because we all sort of think that the Ravens are going to crush the Giants, but they were on a four or five game winning streak. Everything got changed when Daniel Jones got hurt basically. He came back and he played against Arizona and he was a shell of himself. He wasn't healthy. Not that he's so good, but he couldn't move. The
Starting point is 01:02:24 worst thing Joe Judge has done all season was that decision. I don't agree with that, but a lot of people do. I guess, you know, are we assuming too much that this game is going to be a blowout? Because, you know, the Giants have gone toe-to-toe with the Steelers. They were pretty close with the first week of the season. They took the Ravens, I'm sorry, the Bucs to a two-point conversion. They beat the Seahawks. They've hung in there with some good teams.
Starting point is 01:02:49 They almost beat the Rams on the road. So I don't know. We're assuming a lot that this is going to be a blowout, and the rankings reflect that. Can their defense contain the Ravens' offense? Because the Giants' offense has had an impossible time putting points on the board. 19 points, 17 points, 7 points, 6 points.
Starting point is 01:03:08 I don't know the thing. How many points did the Browns score last week? 20. Right, that's the thing. It feels like the Browns crushed the Giants, but they only scored 20 points. The Giants did a pretty solid job, all things considered. If Daniel Jones can move and be Daniel Jones,
Starting point is 01:03:28 then they'll be competitive offensively. He's got to be able to run around. If he's not healthy, then you've just got to wonder what this team's going to look like. I don't know that it really matters much. You're expecting Dobbins to score at this point. He's scored in, what, four games in a row. Jackson's Jackson. Andrews is Andrews. Then Marquise Brown might be a tougher call.
Starting point is 01:03:44 Dave's pretty high on Marquise Brown. Jamie is not. And we talked about that kind of earlier in the show in the start-o-meter section if you want to rewind to that. I guess I'll ask you some Marquise Brown questions here. We'll finish with that. Marquise Brown or J.K. Dobbins?
Starting point is 01:04:00 Dobbins. Dobbins in both formats. Marquise Brown or Kareem Hunt? Brown. Marquise Brown or Kareem Hunt? Brown. Marquise Brown or Daryl Henderson? Brown. Brown and PPR, Henderson none. All right. Two games left.
Starting point is 01:04:17 And Denver at Los Angeles. Here's a fun little stat. Stat of the game. We used to love Tim Patrick. He's a fun little stat. Stat of the game. You know, we used to love Tim Patrick. He was a calm sleeper like every week. He leads the team with seven targets inside the 10-yard line. No other Broncos player has more than four in the green zone. Yeah, I don't know.
Starting point is 01:04:37 I couldn't really find a good stat of the game. So there you go. His targets have disappeared lately. It's hard to figure out. I mean, like you said, they've been running the ball more, so maybe that factors in. Drew Locke having a little bit more faith in Noah Fant like we saw last week.
Starting point is 01:04:48 Right. They really made it a point to get the ball. I still love the matchup against Casey Hayward. I think it's going to be tough for him, you know, if that's where he typically lines up, where Hayward lines up. So it could be a little rough go there. So I just don't love the setup for Tim Patrick,
Starting point is 01:05:00 and I don't know if the Chargers are going to have a big enough lead if they do have a lead that the Broncos are throwing the ball over the place to be chasing points. So it makes me a little bit nervous. We disagree on the Chicago and Jacksonville game. Do you think this could
Starting point is 01:05:12 be a close game? I think this could be a close game. Every Chargers game is a close game. Right. That's half of it. I think Denver hangs around in this one. Maybe even wins. I think Denver can win this game. Absolutely. Yeah. All right. Well think Denver can win this game. Yeah, absolutely. All right, well, sit your lock, obviously.
Starting point is 01:05:28 Start Melvin Gordon if Phillip Lindsay plays. If Phillip doesn't play. If Phillip Lindsay does play. Dave, how would we feel about Melvin Gordon there? He's still a number two fantasy running back. I'd obviously like him a lot more if Lindsay was out. I'm expecting Lindsay or Freeman, one of them, to be active and to ruin Melvin Gordon. Two weeks ago, they were taking him out of rhythm, man.
Starting point is 01:05:47 He'd have a nice run, and then Lindsey would just show up in there. And Lindsey started last week. Yeah, he started the week before, too. Yeah, I don't know what's up with that. This has been a lopsided split. He has been so much better than Melvin Gordon. They've had almost...
Starting point is 01:06:02 Remember when they were both healthy, when they were both healthy earlier this season, Lindsay was getting less work and playing more, uh, performing better. Yeah. He probably, he might need less work,
Starting point is 01:06:11 you know, just change of pace, try to break off a big play. He's just not a grinder. It's not that he's getting so much work, but 11, 12 carries a game. Uh, Noah fan.
Starting point is 01:06:21 We talked about Noah fans or, uh, the Higbee commit. Noah fan of the streamby, Komet. Noah Fant or the streamers, basically. Fant. He went through that stretch of games where it was Noah, thank you. And the best game that he had in that stretch
Starting point is 01:06:35 was against Chargers. He had 11 PPR points in their first meeting. So coming off a strong game, good matchup, good history here. You buy into it. Going to the Chargers. I believe the Chargers are one of four teams to allow 10-plus touchdowns to tight ends this season.
Starting point is 01:06:51 Currently, Justin Herbert is 12th for Jamie and 10th for Dave and 9th for Heath. So that puts him ahead of Trubisky. But you said, Jamie, you move Mayfield a spot ahead of him? No, I still have him ahead of them right now. But if Keenan Allen doesn't play, he'll be behind those guys. said, Jamie, you moved Mayfield a spot ahead of him? No, I still have him ahead of them right now, but if Keenan Allen doesn't play, he'll be behind those guys. Drew Brees is ahead of Justin
Starting point is 01:07:11 Herbert for Jamie. Back-to-back for both of them. We'll call him a low-end starter, slightly ahead of the streamers for now. Then Eckler's an obvious start. And then if Keenan Allen plays, are you going to start him, Dave? I think I'd probably prefer to not start him
Starting point is 01:07:34 just based on how much practice he hasn't had this week. There's still talk about him. There's talk about him being a game-time decision. Clearly, he's not 100%. I don't fault you if you started him last week, but I would fault you if you started him this week because it doesn't seem like he's made a lot of progress
Starting point is 01:07:50 based on the reports that we're getting. Now, maybe something positive will come out on Friday and they'll say, yeah, he's looking good, should be good to go. Maybe someone will actually say less of a snap count for Keenan on this week. I'd be excited about that. Denver has allowed, I think it's 514 yards to receivers
Starting point is 01:08:06 over the last two weeks. It's been preposterous. If the set's right, if I'm thinking of the right team, I'll double check it. But I do think that there's an opportunity there for Keenan Allen to have a good game if he's healthy and ready to go. And if he's not, then we've got to talk about
Starting point is 01:08:23 some of the other receivers on the squad. Yeah, 514 yards to wide receivers over the past two weeks. Four receivers have had at least 15 PPR points in those two games. Yeah, the Bills crushed them.
Starting point is 01:08:35 Sure. So, well, here's the thing about the Chargers, right? They're playing with backups in the secondary and the pass rush is only... It's okay. It's not amazing.
Starting point is 01:08:43 If Keenan Allen doesn't play, I mean, you've got to think some wide receiver is going to be good. And, you know, we're going to get a lot of questions on Sunday. Should I start Mike Williams or Jalen Guyton or something like that over? Tyron. Tyron Johnson over, I don't know, Marquise Brown, you know, somebody like Juju Smith-Schuster. What are you going to do?
Starting point is 01:09:05 I mean, who are you going to rank the highest and how high would you rank them? Start with Jamie. It'd be Mike Williams, you know, and they'd be in the 30s at best, but they'd all be in that same type of range. I don't think I'd feel comfortable starting any of them confidently over the receivers that you named.
Starting point is 01:09:20 I don't think I'd feel comfortable starting them over like Rashard Higgins or Kiki QT. I think it would be too QT to start a Chargers receiver this week. I guess my point is this. If Keenan Allen doesn't play and we don't expect Hunter Henry to play
Starting point is 01:09:36 and you don't rank any of the wide receivers in the top 30, either Austin Eckler is going to have 80 receiving yards and a touchdown, which of course could happen, or you have to sit Justin Herbert. No, it's just not certainty of which receiver will play well.
Starting point is 01:09:54 So one of them could play well, but in terms... We go through these scenarios all the time. It's almost like Lamar Jackson, for example. I wouldn't be surprised if he throws three touchdowns, but I don't necessarily think that Marquise Brown and Mark Andrews are catching all three of them.
Starting point is 01:10:08 Okay. You saw last week, you know, it's a Miles Boykin touchdown here. It does Brian touchdown there. You know, that's the type of performance I think you can get from these guys. Donald Parham comes into play now, you know, as a big target that, you know, we've seen him throw to his second tight end at times this season. Remember when Hunter Henry was going through that stretch where it seemed like there was somebody else in the green
Starting point is 01:10:26 or somebody just catching a touchdown that we didn't expect when Jalen Guyton had a couple of those scores. So I could see somebody playing well, but in terms of saying start this receiver because of Justin Herbert's potential, I don't think you can say that with any confidence. Okay, that's a good explanation. It's a confidence game in the quarterback.
Starting point is 01:10:44 We're more confident in Herbert, who I he he seems to be that type of quarterback that makes his receivers better like you absolutely had to walk away from last week's game feeling like that oh yeah right that's the first time in a month though for him and you know it's been a tough stretch and adam like you know you keep pointing out i think part of it was time of possession but he didn't do very much until overtime after having the good start. And that was against arguably the most miserable secondary that we could see, including the Jets, including the Jaguars, just what the Raiders threw out there because of all the guys that were missing.
Starting point is 01:11:14 Yes, and what really stood out to me in that game was the lack of a pass rush. They had one sack on him. It was late in the fourth quarter. They were never getting close to him. And that's why you really have to keep an eye on Bradley Chubb. He's going to be a game-time decision. He's among the leaders in pressures in the NFL. He's the linebacker slash pass rusher for the Broncos, and if
Starting point is 01:11:34 he doesn't play, it really improves the outlook, I would think, for Justin Herbert. Chubb is the reason why the Broncos' pass rush is better than okay. Clearly, it's all on him, and if he's not there, then the matchup might be just as good as it was last week for Herbert. Buffalo's at New England, our last game here. And I guess my question for you is, you're looking at the Patriots who are giving up the second fewest
Starting point is 01:11:55 fantasy points to quarterbacks. They don't allow teams to run a lot of plays. I think they've seen the second fewest plays in the NFL. Only the Packers have seen fewer. Kyler Murray scored seven points. Justin Herbert scored four points. Josh Allen scored 12. Lamar Jackson scored 24. He had 55 rushing yards. Look, Wilson had a huge game. Oh, Mahomes
Starting point is 01:12:17 scored only 23. Wilson and Watson had huge games. Why are you so confident in Josh Allen in this matchup, Jamie? I mean, no Gilmore. Dig is healthy. He's playing great right now. He looks so comfortable.
Starting point is 01:12:35 It's unbelievable how just calm and poised and just throwing the ball in such great spots, leading his receivers. If he gets John Brown back, that's only going to make him that much better. Cole Beasley's playing great, making tough catches. I just love this. Offensive line is playing great for him right now. And so it's just, this is the stick, the nail in the coffin of the Patriots. And on a national stage to show that the new team has arrived,
Starting point is 01:13:02 the new quarterback in the division has arrived. And the Patriots right now are just a shell of themselves so I love the setup for Josh Allen so uh again to reference those seven quarterbacks that I think all the chance to be number one I have a hard time keeping him in the in the top spot you know he's just got so much upside and so much potential this week well if you're stressed out about it, just go with Mahomes. I think that's kind of never a bad idea. I want to give a number here looking at Cole Beasley. This is perfect. Per game, he's averaging 14.1 PPR fantasy points,
Starting point is 01:13:36 and that makes him 24th. How about that? So there are actually 26 wide receivers averaging 14 PPR fantasy points. Keep that number in mind. I'm going to give you Cole Be receivers averaging 14 PPR fantasy points. Keep that number in mind. I'm going to give you Cole Beasley's PPR fantasy points in the eight games that John Brown has played. Five, no, sorry, that's not PPR. Here's PPR. Remember, 14 is a number, is borderline 2-3 wide receiver. So it's 9, 12, 16, 12, 14, 4, 6, and 27.
Starting point is 01:14:08 Typically, we're talking about a borderline, usually more like a top 30 guy when John Brown is playing in PPR. He's had two 100-yard games. One of them came with John Brown playing half the snaps and leaving early. And he's had 58 or fewer yards in five of the eight games with John Brown. There's a big difference
Starting point is 01:14:24 in his production with or without, and there's a big difference in the targets. But he's on 58 or fewer yards in five of the eight games of John Brown. There's a big difference in his production with or without, and there's a big difference in the targets, but he's on a roll right now. So where is he ranked now, Dave? And where would Cole Beasley fall if John Brown played? I've got Beasley as a low end number two receiver in PPR. And I almost feel like that's too low because he's been just, he's been money in PPR. Yeah. I think you've illustrated that. I think the floor is pretty good of 10 or 11.
Starting point is 01:14:46 And if Brown, and that's if Brown plays, if Brown doesn't play, that floor is going to move up. So I like him. I think if we're believing that this is going to be an exorcism of the past for Buffalo, then Beasley is going to have a hand in it, just like Stephon Diggs will have a hand in it because Josh Allen will have the biggest hand in it of all.
Starting point is 01:15:04 So I like him. I like him as a number two receiver in PPR. Probably closer to that high-end flex range in town. Okay. And if he plays, would you still start him over John Brown? I think I would because I'm nervous
Starting point is 01:15:20 about John Brown coming back and being on fire in his first game back. There's no doubt in my mind that John Brown will get in some playing time before the playoffs, whether it's this week or next week. But I don't think it's going to be... I think he needs to go through some paces first before we trust him to get you north of 15 PPR points. Cam Newton is a sit. Who's the best running back in this game, Jamie?
Starting point is 01:15:45 I like Zach Moss. You know, I mean, he carries the last two games, 13 each week. I don't look at Devin Singletary's touchdown as something to worry about because it was a long breakaway touchdown at the end of the game when they were blowing him out. So I think both guys are close, but you've seen the last two weeks that they seem to prefer Zach Moss. And so the first time that these two teams met, he had 81 or 82 rushing yards and two scores. The last two weeks,
Starting point is 01:16:11 you've seen Cam Akers and Savan Ahmed run through this defense. So there's no must start of these two guys. But I do think that if you're looking for a flex, if you are stuck, I would start Zach Moss over Benny Snell or excuse me, or Jamesnor um i would start him over uh it's close between him and daryl henderson for me in non-ppr i think zach moss has an opportunity here and for the bills to run the ball especially when they build their lead they are very much right now throw to score run to win um and they haven't a lot of success running unfortunately but they try and i think this is a game where they can try and actually succeed. Yeah. I'm worried about Singletary starting to catch up to Moss in terms of both
Starting point is 01:16:48 playing time and touches last week. It was 13 touches from Moss 11 for Singletary. The playing time was almost even between Singletary and Moss. Singletary actually played more than Moss last week. The week before it was Moss having more than Singletary and Singletary started getting work in the red zone. The touchdown, the long touchdown. You're right.
Starting point is 01:17:05 I don't think you can really consider that. That was a late garbage time play. But they ran the Statue of Liberty play and it got called back and that was to Singletary. So he had a carry inside the 10 that just got called back and it would have been a touchdown if it hadn't been called back. I wonder if Singletary is going to start eating
Starting point is 01:17:22 in a little bit more. And it just makes me nervous to start either one. And if I had to pick one, it's really hard and non-PPR. But in PPR, I think Singletary, just by the process of him catching a few more passes, having the chance to catch two passes in a game, whereas Moss might get one or none. I think I lean that way, but really, it's not like either one is a definitive start over the other to me. Well, what about Damian Harris? You can run on the bills
Starting point is 01:17:50 and he's a pretty good running back. He's averaging five yards per carry, a little bit more than that. I think game script is obviously going to concern us, but does anybody have any interest in Damian Harris? We'll just finish with that, guys. Go ahead. He's a flex in non-PPR. He's probably somebody you want to avoid in PPR just because you know he's not going to catch passes uh if if the the patriots have any
Starting point is 01:18:10 semblance of competing in this game it's going to be because of their rushing attack you're right you can run on the bills at least what we've seen melvin gordon had the two rushing touchdowns last week so there's an opportunity for harris but how healthy is he well right is he even going to play is he for sure going to play well Well, he's been practicing. He started practice on a limited basis, so we'll see what happens on Friday and Saturday as they get to Monday's game. I would keep an eye on him just in case somebody dropped him in your leagues
Starting point is 01:18:34 and you're stuck. Just something that if you need a desperation flex, again, better a non-PPR than PPR. Give me Gio over Damian Harris all day long. If Frank Gore or Damian Harris, I long. It's Frank Gore or Damian Harris. I might talk myself into starting Gore. I'll start Harris, sir.
Starting point is 01:18:49 Okay, so that's going to do it. I want to leave you with this. If you're playing against Josh Allen, this is the experience I had last week. It's so depressing because he basically scores every touchdown that the Bills get. Either he throws it or he runs it in. They have scored on offense this year. They have scored 45 touchdowns. Josh Allen, via passing, rushing, or receiving,
Starting point is 01:19:11 has 39 of 45 touchdowns. Unbelievable. So basically what that tells you is they have five rushing touchdowns that are not Josh Allen's. I'll give you another part of that story. It's actually worked out well, but with something we talked about going into the week last week,
Starting point is 01:19:28 I was playing against George Maselli in the game now where the league where Dave and I are facing each other in the championship, and he has Josh Allen. And my flex situation, I couldn't find anybody that I liked. And I was just, you know, okay, maybe this guy, maybe that guy, maybe this guy, maybe that guy. And I was like, you know what?
Starting point is 01:19:44 Gabriel Davis is somebody that I actually like. And maybe I steal a touchdown. okay maybe this guy maybe that guy maybe this guy and i was like you know what gabriel davis is somebody that i actually like and maybe i get i steal a touchdown from from josh allen so just just a desperation play i played gabriel davis now i also have stefan dig so i played davis and uh so i i took away half of josh allen's points because PPR. So Stefan Diggs scored 25. Josh Allen scored 41. Davis, I don't know how much you paid attention to that game. Davis had a catch at the goal line that the announcers even made a point of it. Like he didn't try to stick the ball over,
Starting point is 01:20:19 probably because there was a defender coming and could have knocked the ball out of his hands. But had he at least made the attempt, he may have scored. And I'm watching that play on full. I'm like, oh my God, everything. It was the Dawson Knox touchdown. It was him running it in. It's always Allen. It was everybody but Gabriel Davis.
Starting point is 01:20:34 Yeah, but it's never like, oh, a handoff to Zach Moss at the goal. And if it is, he gets stuffed. And then Josh Allen throws it or runs it in. It's always Allen. Well, that's our, for many of you, this is the last Start or Sit episode that you're going to need to listen to. We hope you stick around. It's always Alan. Well, that's our... For many of you, this is the last Starter Sit episode that you're going to need to listen to.
Starting point is 01:20:47 We hope you stick around. Of course, in week 17, we'll cover it like a normal week, but also spin it forward to 2021 and talk Dynasty. I want to thank everybody for being part of the show
Starting point is 01:20:56 and listening. We've got a mailbag coming up on Saturday. We're not going away. We've got a full week next week. We've got three episodes a week during the offseason,
Starting point is 01:21:03 so we never go away, basically. But good luck to you in your championship round. Thanks to Dave and Jamie for hanging out on this Thursday night. Merry Christmas to everybody celebrating. Happy holidays. And let's go win a league. Go win your league. See you later.

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