Fantasy Football Today - Start or Sit (AFC): Jags RBs? CEH? Sit all Steelers? (10/13 Fantasy Football Podcast)
Episode Date: October 13, 2022Previewing the AFC home games (plus Bengals-Saints) including Bills-Chiefs! We start with players we love (2:15) and players to avoid (6:33). Geno Smith is the Start of the Week, but it could be toug...h sledding for CEH this week ... News and notes (9:15) with important injury updates. Then we've got One Question for Each Game (15:00)! Are we starting Adam Thielen this week? Do we buy the home/road splits for Amari Cooper? How much would we like the Colts running backs if Jonathan Taylor doesn't play? Are we trusting Chris Godwin this week? ... Start or Sit for Bengals-Saints (24:40), Broncos-Chargers (34:10), Bills-Chiefs (41:00), Vikings-Dolphins (53:40), Jaguars-Colts (58:50), Patriots-Browns (1:06:30) and Bucs-Steelers (1:11:00) ... Email us at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @ctowerscbs Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Get 20% off Fantasy Football Today merch: https://store.cbssports.com/collections/fantasy-football-today%20?utm_source=podcast-apple-com&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=buy-our-merch&utm_content=fantasy-football-collection Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath.
Week 6 is here.
Let's preview the AFC home games.
Can the Steelers get their offense going against the Bucs?
Probably not.
Are we buying the home road splits for Amari Cooper?
How about the home road splits for Kirk Cousins?
If you are facing Josh Allen this week, should you even bother setting a lineup?
You probably should for tiebreaker purposes, but you're probably going to lose.
What's going on?
I'm Adam Azer with Jamie Eisenberg and Heath Cummings.
Sorry for the grim forecast there for those of you facing Josh Allen.
He is going to score 38.
Over or under for Josh Allen this week.
What do you guys think at the Chiefs?
35.5.
Yeah, that's probably what he's averaging for the year, right?
I have no idea.
Probably around.
I think he's been over 35 in three of five games yeah yeah it's just and they are just so bad
against quarterbacks so it's really i mean i know i'm facing him in the fft league and it's just
like what's the point i'm just i'm done i'm gonna lose the press i don't know what just defeatism
one guy scoring 35 for 40 points does not end your week.
I lost with Alan last week in our 2014 league.
And I lost with Kelsey last week.
Wow.
Wow.
It could happen.
I know I'm just being just joking around here,
but it's going to be, I think, a very fun game.
I think we all feel that way. A very fun game.
I have a bet with Schneier
taking the Bills minus three.
And yeah,
we'll talk about that game a little bit later. You guys ready for
Commanders Bears?
I'm actually looking forward to it. You are? Why?
It's football.
Right, yeah. Should be
lots of good joke opportunities.
What about the
yankees guardians game at that time what would you guys rather be watching no interest uh yeah
i mean go guardians but go away all right who do we love this week jb who we starting
uh we're starting geno smith start of the week. Love the setup for him. Obviously, he's been playing very, very well.
You know, deservedly so.
Should get some recognition.
And, you know, it should be one of the better games on the slate, I think,
you know, with terms of just how these two teams don't play defense.
So just looking at, you know, what Gino has done,
every game except one over 20 fantasy points,
you know, the one that he did in San Francisco,
three in a row at least 23 points.
I like the fact that he's run for 62 yards in his last two games in a touchdown against Detroit and new Orleans.
And the Cardinals have allowed a quarterback to score at least 22 fantasy points in a three
or five games so far this year.
So it's a good setup, good matchup.
He's playing well, you know, give him some credit.
And he's got a top five upside this week.
Gino Smith.
Okay.
Give me some big names that you're starting Gino Smith over.
I started over Tom Brady. I would start him over, um, Rogers. I'd start him over Russ. I started
more Stafford. Not that that's a big surprise. Um, I'd start him over cousins. I would start
him over Justin Fields. Okay. Why would you start Gino Smith over Tom Brady? Tom Brady has a great matchup too.
He's thrown 50 passes,
two straight games.
I like both.
It's not really a,
you know,
like I have Brady in one league and,
and Gino was available.
I'm not going to drop Tom Brady to pick up Gino Smith.
I just think that Gino will get one point better than Tom Brady this week.
How about like a half a point better?
Half a point better than Tom Brady this week.
Heath,
who do you love?
And while you're telling me that just think about players to avoid because i might come to you first on that one
remandre stevenson jamie said that you know smith had top five upside i've got remandre stevenson
ranked top five at running back in both formats i expect 20 plus touches 100 plus touch plus yards
and multiple touchdowns he is going to be an absolute superstar until
Damian Harris comes back, and he might be a star after Damian Harris comes back.
If you are a fan of the forward pass, you probably don't want to watch that game.
Cleveland leads the NFL with 156 running back carries. Detroit is second with 126,
and then New England is third third just behind Detroit at 125.
Actually, four teams that have
125 or 126 running back
carries just behind Cleveland. That would be Detroit,
New England, Atlanta, and
Dallas. One of many,
many revenge games this week.
It's a huge, huge slate of
revenge games. All right, what do we got?
What do we got? Well, Jacoby
Brissett against Bill Belichick. Belichick against Cleveland Bill Belichick against
Cleveland a double revenge game maybe Andy Dalton against the Bengals ooh okay
Melvin Gordon against the Chargers there are a few more okay I will think of it
yeah throughout the show hey tell me if you agree with this.
You got to do it today.
If you're in a 2QB league or a super flex league,
a little sneaky ad, of course it could not work at all.
Taylor Heineke.
Are we one bad start away on national TV
against the Chicago Bears away from Carson Wentz getting benched?
It's not a bad move in the 2QB league
just with how thin options are there.
But I mean, I know,
and you guys have probably seen this as well,
like today, as a matter of fact,
people are picking up Skyler Thompson
and Billy Zappi still available.
Yeah, even compared to Skyler Thompson,
Billy Zappi, and PJ Walker,
and Baker Mayfield hasn't even been ruled out this week,
wouldn't you much rather have Taylor Heineke if he got the job?
Long-term, probably, but I don't know if Carson Wentz is getting benched
and then never getting back on the field if that happens.
Because I would imagine if Carson Wentz gets benched the next week or so,
we may see Ron Rivera fired, too.
Yeah, could be.
I don't think there's any reason
for Washington or anyone else
to believe that Taylor Heineken
would be better than Carson Wentz
has been so far.
My only point is
he's actually been fairly productive
as a fantasy option,
whereas, you know, Skyler Thompson.
So is Carson Wentz?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But I'm just saying,
compared to other backup quarterbacks,
he's got to be...
Yeah, I was just thinking, you know, in terms of playing time.
Yeah, I got you.
All right, forget it.
Players to avoid.
Jamie, who are we sitting this week?
You're off the hook, Heath.
You're up next.
I don't know if you can outright sit Clyde Edwards-Hilaire,
but I don't love Clyde Edwards-Hilaire this week.
And we kind of got the taste of what happens to him
when he does not find the end zone last week.
And I know the Bills have given up, I think it's five total touchdowns,
four rushing touchdowns, so he certainly could fall into the end zone
but i think you've kind of seen the pattern at this point with the chiefs that when they're
chasing points uh clyde's not as effective and they're probably going to be chasing points this
week so there's a scenario of them chasing points this week home underdogs so um mckinnon i think i
don't think he's the better of the two but i would not be surprised if once again he plays more than than clyde so if he doesn't score you might be a little frustrated
once again with clyde everett's production okay clyde for jamie and how about you heath who's in
a void uh aj dylan i really concerned about his role on this offense only six carries last week only one catch in his
last two games combined hasn't had more than two catches in a game since week
one I'm just I hate the way the Packers are using both of their running backs I
think they both need more touches but it seems more likely to me that Aaron Jones
is going to get more touches than AJ Dylan right now okay who do you guys
like better Clyde or Dillon?
Clyde.
I would start Clyde over Dillon.
Yeah, Dillon is, he's touchdown or bust at this point.
It wouldn't surprise me if he has a two-touchdown game against the Jets at home.
It also wouldn't surprise me if he's exactly like
what he said he was last week, too.
Oh, it would be so freaking annoying if he had a good game
because this is finally the week where I'm not only going to bench him
but going to tell everyone to bench A.J. Dillon.
And, you know, you could certainly see the scenario
where they're blowing out the Jets,
although I don't know that the Packers deserve that kind of respect,
that they're just going to blow out the Jets.
But, yeah, I mean, you just don't.
I just, I am definitely going to sit A.J. Dillon.
I'm going to be so mad if he has a good game,
because I've stuck with him five straight weeks.
He's been bad for four of them.
I'm sure a lot of people would feel that way.
Four straight weeks. Week one was good.
I've stuck with him five straight weeks. He's been bad
for four of them.
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notes here. We got a lot of it.
Skyler Thompson looks like he is almost
certainly going to start for the Dolphins. We're going to
preview that game later, but
five second answer.
Are you starting any
Dolphins this week?
Tyreek and Raheem Mostert.
Tyreek and
maybe Mostert.
Cooper Rush is likely starting, but
Dak Prescott said he felt great throwing yesterday.
You should still expect Cooper Rush this week
at Philadelphia. They ruled out Dak Prescott.
They did? Yes. Oh, I'm sorry.
Then, yeah, Cooper Rush is starting.
Baker Mayfield hasn't been ruled
out. Seems unlikely that he'll play,
but he hasn't been ruled out. Aaron Rodgers
has a thumb issue. They don't think it's serious. He should
play. Russell Wilson expected to play Monday
night at the Chargers. Carson Wentz
is playing tonight.
Mack Jones was limited in practice
and Jameis Winston was making some
progress as well. So
we'll keep an eye on those situations.
Running back news.
So here's what it looks like for the Cardinals.
There is no Darrell Williams this week.
There is no Jonathan Ward. He's on IR.
James Conner is
questionable.
Jamie, if you're making a
decision, Eno Benjamin versus
a
obviously, I think you're going to have to start. Well,
you tell me. David Montgomery or a Washington
running back. What do you do? No hesitation. I'd
start Montgomery. What about a Washington
guy? I don't
think there's anybody in washington's backfield
that is slam dunk must start actually my favorite i think this could be a brian robinson game wouldn't
surprise me um but i think uh i'd wait it out with benjamin okay more upside yeah i mean compared to
the of the guys last week in the washington backfield is benjamin really going to be that
much worse than what those guys were like even a Connor plays? I mean, I think one of them will score.
You know, my guess and my hope would be Brian Robinson.
Jonathan Taylor missed practice.
Naeem Hines was limited.
So it could be Deion Jackson and Phillip Lindsay
this week against Jacksonville.
It's another game we're talking about today.
Saquon Barkley has the shoulder injury.
He was limited in practice.
Looks like he's going to play.
They don't seem too concerned about it.
He came back in that game last week. Raheem Mostert sat with the shoulder injury. He was limited in practice. Looks like he's going to play. They don't seem too concerned about it. He came back in that game last week.
Raheem Mostert sat with a knee injury.
That's nothing.
You said start Raheem Mostert.
We do have to keep an eye on that
because he did miss practice on Wednesday,
which is not uncommon.
I think that's more of a veteran day thing.
Damian Harris was limited.
That's a huge surprise.
That is, yeah.
Big surprise.
You already heard Heath talk about Ramondre Stevenson.
So I think Chris had tweeted about this,
like when they said he was going to miss a couple of weeks.
He said, okay, so Damian Harris is definitely going to be limited all week
and questionable on Sunday morning.
He was actually at practice, though.
Like for what the expectation was, when I saw that he was at practice,
I was like, wow, that's pretty impressive that he was actually out there.
That's the same thing I had with he was a practice, I was like, wow, that's pretty impressive that he was actually out there.
That's the same thing that happened with Mac Jones last week,
that he was even considered an option
when there were reports
that he had a severe high ankle sprain.
Yeah.
And Tyrion Davis' price practice in full,
and just a quick question on that.
Do you think with Tevin Coleman
already in the mix a little bit now,
and TDP was being used in short yardage before his injury is this a threat to Jeff Wilson
the threat to his touchdowns yeah I think I pulled back a little bit maybe from like RB6 to RB8
okay wide receivers Devante Adams could be facing a suspension for shoving a photographer
he's on a bye this week.
Then he has Houston in week seven.
Russell Gage and Julio Jones mispracticed.
Chris Godwin was limited.
We're expecting Godwin to play.
Tyreek Hill and Jalen Waddell practiced in full.
Drake London practiced.
Isaiah McKenzie is going to play this week.
He's about 50% rostered.
Might be a good option for you this week at the Chiefs.
T. Higgins mispracticed.
We got to consider Higgins legitimately questionable,
I would think, right? Yep. Yes.
Jarvis Landry, Michael Thomas
and Chris Olave all mispractice.
It seems like Olave is making good progress in the
concussion protocol. But
I also think with the new
concussion protocol, you're going to see a lot
fewer players. I don't think this. This is definitely going to be
the case. You're going to see a lot fewer players
coming back the following week.
I was listening to Dr. Chow talk about this,
and he said that we had seen about 50% of players who left with concussions
play the following week.
And you can expect that number to go down.
Zay Jones mispracticed.
Keenan Allen's day-to-day.
They've got the Monday night game.
We'll see if he's practicing today.
Deontay Johnson was limited.
Kadarius Toney mispracticed. Wandale Johnson was limited. Kadarius Tony mispracticed.
Wanda Robinson was limited.
Wanda Robinson 10% rostered.
Tight ends.
Logan Thomas will not play tonight.
We'll keep an eye on Dalton Schultz.
Kyle Pitts looks like he's going to play.
Tyler Higby and Cooper Cup and Aaron Donald.
They all mispracticed for precautionary reasons.
They should be fine.
Dawson Knox was limited.
He might get back this week.
Cameron Brait making progress through the concussion protocol be fine. Dawson Knox was limited. He might get back this week. Cameron Brait making progress
through the concussion protocol
and Pat Fryermuth was limited.
Zach Gentry, the guy who replaced Fryermuth,
mispracticed with a knee injury.
Tarana Armstead, left tackle for the Dolphins.
He may not play this week.
The Rams are going to be without two starters
on their offensive line this week against Carolina.
And defensive injuries to keep an eye on.
Zavian Howard is questionable.
Miami's cornerback. I think he expects to play. But defensive injuries to keep an eye on. Zavian Howard is questionable, Miami's cornerback.
I think he expects to play.
But he expected to play last week, too, and he didn't.
Justin Simmons,
Denver's star safety, he has a chance to play this week at the Chargers.
Tampa Bay is all beat up in the secondary,
but it looks somewhat promising for them.
Jacksonville has got two
defensive tackles that mispracticed
yesterday. Pittsburgh's secondary is a mess.
Marshawn Lattimore mispracticed.
And the Giants, good news for them, could be getting some key players back this week,
including defensive tackle Leonard Williams and cornerback Adory Jackson.
All right, time for one question for each game.
We have seven games on the slate today.
We usually have eight on the Thursday show, but it's bi-week time.
So one question for each game.
Cincinnati at New Orleans.
Hayden Hurst or Taysom Hill?
Hill and non-PPR for sure.
Hurst in PPR if Higgins is out.
Agreed.
Okay.
Denver at the Chargers.
Are we talking about a huge game for Melvin Gordon
against arguably the worst run defense in football?
It should be, but you have a few things at play.
What's Latavius Murray's role?
How will Russell Wilson hold up?
And if they're trailing, is it going to be,
are they going to have the opportunity to run the ball?
And I don't think it should be overlooked,
the loss of Garrett Bowles at left tackle. This offensive
line hasn't exactly been fantastic,
and now you're losing arguably the best player
there.
Not great in
terms of what the setup could be for what should be
a great setup. So I think
you're starting Melvin Gordon, depending on who you're comparing
him to, but I think he's got top 15 upside.
Yeah, I think he's RB18.
He's kind of the last running
back that i want to start um you got there's more guys in my top 24 than i want to start this week
for sure um and he's he's kind of the last one that i want to start is he ahead of clyde edwards
and aj dylan yes yes dylan for me not clyde for me. Okay. Buffalo at Kansas City.
I was going to say, beware of Hilaire, but we already know that.
So how about Gabe Davis and Isaiah McKenzie?
Do you like them this week?
Gabe Davis and Isaiah McKenzie?
Love Gabe Davis.
And I think McKenzie's, I just basically took Shakira out of my rankings
and put McKenzie right there. So number three or two. Yeah, McKenzie's more I just basically took Shakira out of my rankings and put McKenzie right there.
So number three receiver.
Yeah, McKenzie's more of a number four for me,
but you're starting Gabe Davis.
How many Bills wide receivers would you start ahead of
your favorite Chiefs wide receiver?
Two.
Yeah, three.
Heath, who is your favorite Chiefs wide receiver?
I've got Juju and MVS basically back-to-back,
but Juju is ahead still.
They've been almost exactly the same guy.
It's remarkable.
I think Juju has three more catches.
MVS has one more yard,
and neither one of them has scored a touchdown.
Jacksonville at Indianapolis.
If Jonathan Taylor does not play,
do you have any interest in a running back in this game?
I would start Dion Jackson.
If no Taylor or Heinz over Clyde Edwards,
I would start Dion Jackson over Clyde Edwards,
Hilaire and Travis ETN and James Robinson.
Agreed.
Okay.
There's a stat though.
I think the Colts have given up like 30 receiving yards to a running back in
every game or something like that.
I don't know if that's going to come into play, but they are vulnerable there.
I'm going to ask the same question with the same wording because it's so funny.
Every week, Minnesota at Miami.
Are you feeling it?
I mean, I think he's the number three receiver at this point.
You kind of know what you're getting.
If he scores, it'll be great.
If not, you get maybe a decent PPR game if they decide to throw to him i know he has scored so it makes him different but i don't really know that he's
much different than juju or envious like those guys are going to get six to eight targets they're
probably going to be 50 ish yards and if they score they're good and if they don't they're not
okay here we go here's the stat of the game for them i was going to save this for later but we'll
do it right now minnesota at Miami, stat of the game.
It might be meaningless.
Adam Thielen has had seven to nine targets in four straight games.
There have been three wide receivers who have had seven to nine targets against the Dolphins.
They all have at least 76 yards, and they all have caught a touchdown.
There are Rashad Bateman, Isaiah McKenzie, and Tee Higgins.
In fact, I think there have only been four wide receivers with seven or more
targets,
but they've all had big games against Miami.
I don't know what to make of that because there've been a few receivers
who have had six targets and there,
and two of them didn't do well at a three.
So is that,
does that really make a difference?
But seven targets or more good game against Miami feelings had that four
straight games.
I think what that says, and it's true at quarterback for sure,
is that the Dolphins so far, yeah,
they've given up the second most fantasy points to quarterbacks this year.
The Dolphins so far have been a good matchup for passing games.
We don't really expect that to continue, but so far they have been.
Well, if Howard doesn't, Byron Jones isn't going to play.
He hasn't played all year. If Howard doesn't
play, then I think they've got a pretty bad
corners.
They have a great safety in Javon Holland,
right? But it's, you know,
their corners stink.
Alright, we can talk a little bit more about that
a little bit later. But like Thielen or Isaiah McKenzie?
Or Juju Smith-Schuster?
Thielen. Thielen over both of them.
New England... The ones I struggle with honestly is Thielen. Thielen. Thielen over both of them. Yep. All right. New England, the ones I struggle with, honestly,
is Thielen and the guys tonight, McCorn and Samuel.
I've got both of them ahead of Thielen.
The one I was struggling with was Thielen and Alec Pierce.
And what'd you end up with?
I mean, I feel like you've got to go Thielen, right?
I think I have Thielen one spot ahead,
but I wouldn't commit to that
today so it might be different sunday morning yeah feeling is feeling is safer and i'll probably
when i adjust it i'll probably move feeling ahead of the guys tonight all right new england at
cleveland are you buying the amari cooper home road splits i'm sure you all saw my my insightful
tweet yesterday about amari cooper i did did not. Oh, come on.
When you go back to Dallas, that was the case.
It's his whole career.
He's averaging 22 more yards per game at home than on the road in his career.
And he has 32 home touchdowns,
17 road touchdowns in his career.
And in his career,
how many times am I going to say the word?
Drink, every time I say career, drink water.
In his career, how many times am I going to say the word? Drink, every time I say career, drink water. In his career,
he only has two seasons
where he averaged more
yards per game at home
than on the road.
One of those seasons,
it was two more yards per game.
So he just,
I'm sorry,
I said that wrong.
He's only had once,
two seasons where he's averaged
more yards per game
on the road than at home
and one of those years
it was almost even.
So it's just weird.
He's just so much better
at home than on the road
and this year,
two dreadful games on the road,
three terrific games at home,
and he's home this week
against New England.
Is that going to be something
that influences your rankings
on Amari Cooper?
What about his home games in London
when they're the home team?
I don't know if he ever played
one in London.
What about the home games
that they played with the Raiders
when they were,
I think they might have played
one game in Mexico.
I don't know.
Did the home road split
still hold up when we didn't have any fans?
Probably.
Is it a travel thing?
He hates travel. He's a bad traveler.
He's a bad traveler.
What about his home games in Alabama?
You know what? I could try to look
that up, but this is the only player that I would ask this about.
But is home road going to influence your-
Aren't you going to ask it about Kirk Cousins later?
I don't know.
I put that in the tease, but I don't know.
I didn't have a real chance to research that going back.
He's a borderline number two wide receiver
who could be top 10 this week
and could be outside the top 50, but no.
I would start him over every guy we've discussed
all right yeah i did discuss stefan diggs briefly so not him though not over and gabe davis you
discussed oh there you go gabe davis or amari cooper cooper heath i i do have cooper ahead of
gabe davis yeah tampa bay at pittsburgh ppr not non okay. Okay. Tampa Bay at Pittsburgh. Start all bucks at all Steelers?
Relevant bucks.
Yes.
Evans, Godwin.
Fournette.
Brady.
Fournette, yes.
I think Deontay's still in that high-end wide receiver range,
wide receiver three range.
I would start him over Thielen.
I'm just kidding.
He's been pretty, yeah.
Pretty bad.
Efficiency-wise, he's been that for most of his career.
He's been worse.
Hasn't he been worse this year?
I mean, just terrible.
For sure, even worse.
Yeah.
All right.
Let's take a break here.
When we come back, we'll get into the games a little bit further.
Cincinnati at New Orleans will be our first game.
The Bengals teaser here,
they've only allowed... What?
What did I do? I do think it's worth saying, just to
his credit, he has one game below 11
PPR points, and that's without a touchdown being scored.
Okay. That's Deontay.
He's not been...
He's just been meh.
Well, where do you think
he ranks? Do you think he's a top 30 wide receiver?
I honestly have no idea.
I doubt it.
That two for 11 game is probably holding him down.
And he does have a touchdown.
32.
33.
32.
In PPL.
Yeah, that's just meh.
Okay.
We will be right back on Fantasy Football today.
Cincinnati is at New Orleans.
Here's your stat of the game.
The Bengals have allowed only one touchdown to a wide receiver.
Anybody know who it was?
Bengals touchdown to a wide receiver.
Let me tell you their opponents.
You can play along.
It wasn't Pittsburgh.
It was not Pittsburgh.
It was Pittsburgh, Dallas, the Jets, Miami, and Baltimore.
Devin DuVernay?
No.
That's a good guess.
Corey Davis?
Less rostered than both of those guys, I assume, anyway.
It's Noah Brown.
Noah Brown.
Yeah.
So I don't even know how to approach the New Orleans wide receivers
because we don't know who's going to play.
But if Olave plays, is he a must start? Yes. I don't even know how to approach the new Orleans wide receivers. Cause we don't know who's going to play, but if I'll,
if a lobby plays,
is he a must start?
Yes.
I would say if either a lobby or Thomas are playing by themselves,
they're top 20.
If they're both playing,
they're going to be between 20 and 30.
A little frustrating that he was not a practice today.
Michael Thomas.
Yes,
very much,
but I don't know if he's going to practice on Wednesdays anymore at this stage of his
career. I would think, though, coming
off of an injury absence
and at least the report that we got
that he was going to return this week,
you would expect, knowing that there's
some quarterback disarray
with the Saints, he would
be on the practice field. But hey, you might be right.
Jameis was there yesterday,
I guess, so that could run the revenge game,
but we'll still have the Joe Burrow homecoming game.
Yes.
And Jamar Chase.
And Jamar Chase. So I gave you the stat of the game.
Here's the thing that makes me nervous
of the game. The Saints have the
seventh highest pressure rate in the NFL
over the last two weeks. They were really getting
no pressure the first three weeks. They've been much better
the last two weeks, and that's not a great thing for Burrow.
But I don't know if you guys saw the – we have a researcher, Douglas Clausen, at work.
I want to give him a shout-out.
He sent an email to us and others with some research about Joe Burrow and the Bengals'
offense.
And they – I'm going to try to give you the cliff notes,
but it's really interesting.
Burrow is being blitzed at the lowest rate,
facing two high safeties on 50% of dropbacks,
looks, I don't know, but 50% of the time.
That is the highest rate in the NFL this season.
So fewest blitzes, most too high safety looks,
and it's basically what's happening,
what happened to Patrick Mahomes last year.
He made a lot of comparisons, our researcher, Douglas,
to what happened to Patrick Mahomes.
And it took the Mahomes a while to snap out of it.
And there's so much good stuff here, so many good stats.
But basically, the Bengals, how about this?
The Bengals have hit the under in 10 straight games.
That is the longest streak by any team since 2000.
So they just have been
much worse than they should be. Basically, their run blocking is the worst in the NFL,
according to PFF. And they've just they've seen defenses that should allow for great running.
They're not taking advantage of it. Hopefully last week was the start of something. But I just
thought what happened to the Chiefs last year and what's happened to the Bengals now, it's it's
nearly identical. The Chiefs eventually snapped out of it. Hopefully the Bengals can. But you do basically just have to say start your Bengals, Heath, but how much confidence do you have in Burrow, Mixon, Chase, the number two receiver, be it Higgins or Boyd, and then Hayden Hurst. I'm not really thinking about Mixon or Chase. I do have the start of the week ranked one spot ahead of Joe Burrow.
Geno Smith.
So I could see starting Geno Smith over Joe Burrow.
And Hayden Hurst I will feel good about as a low-end starting tight end
as long as Higgins is out.
If Higgins is back, then I'm going to feel a little bit icky
about all the passing game,
but I'm probably just going to start chasing Higgins and Yolo.
Zach Taylor said earlier this week that they need to get Tyler Boyden more
involved, that he deserves more targets.
And so we could see a situation here,
especially if Higgins is out that he is not a bad pivot to a number three
receiver, because I do think that, you know, we saw, you mentioned that,
you know, we saw Mahomes adjust and clearly in the playoffs,
they adjusted at a very high level in, in the in the game that they played um games that
they played but i i think you know this is now on zach taylor and he has not proven this year at
least to be a very good play caller and so we'll see if he can fix some of these woes but you know
maybe incorporating tyler boyd makes some sense uh you. Hayden Hurst kind of benefited from this
certainly the last two weeks
with the coverage that they're seeing.
So it's time, I think, to get Chase
some manufactured targets in different ways too.
Last year, Joe Burrow had 17 passing touchdowns
of 30 plus yards, including the playoffs.
That tied for the third most in a season in NFL history.
He has two so far this year.
So that's been the huge difference. They're just taking away the big play for the third most in a season in NFL history. He has two so far this year.
So that's been the huge difference.
They're just taking away the big play and it's really hurt Jamar Chase as well.
I mean, I don't want to get off too much on a tangent, guys,
but I did want to bring up Jamar Chase
just from a trade perspective
and what you guys think about him.
Last year, he had a seven-game stretch
where he averaged 40.6 yards per game.
So basically 41 yards per game. And then where he averaged 40.6 yards per game. So basically 41 yards per game.
And then he averaged 126.5 yards per game in the next six games,
including the postseason.
So that was a seven-game stretch for 41 yards per game.
Next six games, 126.5 yards per game.
And then I even went back and I looked at a guy like Tyreek Hill.
Tyreek Hill had a season with almost 1,500 yards in 2018.
In weeks two through five of that season with almost 1,500 yards in 2018. In weeks two through five
of that season, he averaged 64 yards
per game. So maybe
Chase is just going to have that profile as
a big play guy. Because remember, there's times
where the Chiefs are like, hey, what's wrong with Tyreek Hill?
And then at the end of the day, he's top
five wide receiver. So do you have
any hesitation acquiring
Jamar Chase right now? None.
I just updated my dynasty wide receiver
rankings yesterday. And part of that process is updating rest of season rankings at the position
and Chase came out number seven. So I still think he's going to be a number one wide receiver. Yes.
Rest of season. I not, not quite as high as I was at the beginning of the year.
Wow. So in dynasty, he's number seven. No, he's number seven. Rest of season. Oh,
okay. Where's he in Dynasty?
Two?
Two still.
Okay, behind Jefferson.
All right, Joe Burrow or Kirk Cousins?
Burrow.
Burrow slightly.
If Higgins is out, Tyler Boyd or Adam Thielen?
Thielen.
Let's take a look at the Saints here.
Any interest in starting a quarterback this week?
No, especially if the receivers,
if they're all healthy,
then possibly.
If any of the top two are out, forget it.
Thomas or Olave is out, forget it.
Probably two QB only for me.
By the way, the Bengals are top five
in fantasy points allowed
to quarterbacks, running backs, and wide receivers.
That's really interesting.
Uh,
any interest in,
or sorry,
any concerns with Alvin Camara?
Do you go right back to him?
Start him.
Can't get away from him.
Would you start just in case you had to make this decision?
I saw a lot of Camara questions last week,
so people might have other good running backs.
Ramondre Stevenson or Camara?
Stevenson. Stevenson.
Stevenson.
Okay.
New Orleans wide receivers,
I think we kind of talked about that earlier.
Do you want to just kind of say it again, Heath?
How are you going to approach the New Orleans wide receivers?
I'd say top 20 for Thomas or Olave
if they're the only one healthy,
and if they're both healthy,
they'll be between 20 and 30.
Probably closer to 20 than 30,
but in that
range. Borderline number two wide receivers.
Okay. This has been a very good
pass defense so far. Really only
Tyreek Hill had that huge game.
160 yards.
That was with Bridgewater. I think
they've faced... I think by next week,
if Dak Prescott is back,
the Bengals will have faced
like four backup quarterbacks they
face Trubisky Cooper Rush Joe Flacco Teddy Bridgewater and Lamar Jackson so we don't know
how good their defense really is and then Taysom Hill you know you can't look at oh how does the
how do the Bengals do against tight ends because he's not a tight end so Taysom Hill or David Njoku? Njoku in either format.
I'd go Hill and non-Njoku in PPR.
Half PPR?
Njoku.
Don't give me that, dude.
Well, it's not, I mean,
it's all such a guessing game anyway with Taysom Hill.
Like it's not as if,
that's the frustration, I guess.
With most of these guys,
this is what you can expect.
With Taysom Hill,
it might be literally six yards.
I think you have to expect
what you got in the games prior
to last week.
That would be 15.3, 1.4,
and 8.1 PPR fantasy points,
touchdown or bust.
The Falcons game in week one is sort of the outlier for that.
I think you expect, you know, seven to eight total touches
and probably a chance to score a touchdown, but minimal yards.
Okay, fellas.
Taysom Hill or George Kittle?
This will be our last one.
Kittle, Kyle Pitts, Taysom Hill.
I'd go Taysom and Non over those guys.
Kittle, for sure, in PPR.
And who's Pitts?
I'd take my chances with Taysom Hill over Pitts this point.
I would go Hill, Pitts, Kittle, and Non.
Kittle, Pitts, Hill, and PBR.
All right, Denver at Los Angeles, the Chargers, that is.
Stat of the game number one, Denver, this is amazing.
Denver has scored a touchdown on 21.4% of its red zone trips.
Okay, red zone is inside the 20-yard line or 20-yard line and in.
So they've scored a touchdown on 21.4%. I don't think you need to explain the red zone.
Well, most people know. Some people don't.
5%, maybe.
That is last in the NFL.
Seattle was second to last at
38.5%. Denver is
21.4%. I went
back. It's been 10 years since
we've seen something like this, basically.
It's been longer than that.
In the last nine seasons, the lowest
red zone conversion rate was 35%
from the 2019 Steelers,
and the Broncos are at 21.4%.
And it is really, I mean, it is,
their whole season is basically,
they suck in the red zone.
So, yeah, there's that.
Okay, let's talk about Russell Wilson.
Outside your top 12, right, Jamie?
Yeah, I mean, I think it's at this point,
how can you trust him?
Injured, struggling, coaching staff feels like it's a mess.
It just doesn't feel like it's a potential
for any semblance of a great game for him.
It might be a good game for him.
I mean, I've dropped him for Dino Smith in one league where he was available. I
dropped him for Carson Wentz in a couple leagues. I have no faith in Russell Wilson right now.
I will say, for me at least, Gino's now 90% rostered and Wentz is at 57%. If I can't get
one of those two guys, I'm just running Wilson back out there. There's not anybody else who's
available that I'm picking up to start over Wilson.
I think, though, it depends on your situation.
Like, you know, there's one league
where I'm one and four,
and I can't afford to lose,
and he's been a big reason why I've been losing.
So I'm starting Jimmy Garoppolo over him
because I feel more comfortable with Garoppolo
taking on the Falcons.
Yeah, I'd rather start Wilson than Garoppolo.
Would you rather start Trevor Lawrence at the Colts?
Would you rather start Matt Ryan
against the Jaguars over Russell Wilson?
No.
Wilson over both.
Okay.
Melvin Gordon.
We talked about him just a little while ago.
Would you rather start Melvin Gordon or J.K. Dobbins at the Giants?
Gordon.
Gordon.
If James Conner is out, Melvin Gordon or Eno Benjamin?
Eno.
Eno. Melvin Gordon or Rahno Benjamin? Eno. Eno.
Melvin Gordon or Raheem Mostert?
Gordon.
Gordon.
Melvin Gordon or Jerry Judy?
Gordon.
Yeah.
Okay.
How about any interest in Mike Boone?
No.
Flex and PPR, if you're stuck.
Do you consider Cortland Sutton a must start?
Yes.
Yes.
Okay.
What do you consider Jerry Judy?
A maybe start, the number three receiver.
I mean, he's got two games where he scored a touchdown,
and those have been his only two good games so far.
He hasn't gotten over four catches.
He's gotten one game over 55 yards, I think it is.
53.
Receiving.
So. 53. Receiving. So.
Yep.
Right there with the Chiefs for me in that low-end number three range.
Isn't it a shame for someone like me who drafted Cortland Sutton
in five of nine leagues, non-best ball leagues,
that he could be like a top three receiver
if they weren't so incompetent in the red zone?
How many touchdown opportunities has he had?
It's crazy.
Sorry, I digress.
He's been fine, Cortland Sutton,
but he could be incredible.
He's done everything you can ask for,
minus touchdowns.
Could you just do like an entire
isn't it a shame segment
about this fantasy season?
Yeah, do it Wednesdaynesdays we basically do i
mean that's kind of wednesday uh would you start okay justin herbert or geno smith
herbert herbert okay you expecting a big game from herbert or a solid game from Herbert? Solid.
He's my number five quarterback, so I hope he's really good.
Only 3.4 rushing yards per game for Herbert this year.
He's been over 15 yards per game in each of his first two seasons.
And, you know, there could be a 30-yard rushing game.
That's kind of how it works with a lot of these quarterbacks.
They have very small rushing performances and then a couple big ones or whatever.
But that did strike me.
He's just not running much.
I am curious to see how this defense is going to perform.
Because on one side, you have no Slater for the Chargers.
And I don't know if necessarily that showed up as much last week against the Browns.
I would think that it mattered to some extent.
But no Randy Gregory on the other side.
And what they did against the Colts I don't think is going to be indicative of how this
game won't go.
The Broncos have been one of
the best defenses in football, but they took on
a lot of injuries last week.
They didn't have a practice report yesterday
because they play on Monday.
But they lost a starting
cornerback for the season.
Two linebackers went out with injuries
last week, Browning
and Jewell. I don't know what their
statuses are, but this could
be a different Broncos defense.
It is a really, really good defense. They've made some
good players look really bad, but not against the run.
They suck against the run. Start
Austin Eckler. Who's better this
week, Josh Kelly or Mike Boone?
I'd probably go with Boone.
I have Boone.
I mean, they're within a half a point, but I do have Boone higher.
All right.
Any hesitation on Mike Williams this week?
There have been a lot of good receivers who have struggled against the Broncos this year.
Metcalf, Lockett, Cooks, Debo.
Debo had five for 73. Pittman, five for 59, Cooks, Debo. Debo had five for 73.
Pittman, five for 59.
I mean, Debo was the best game of that group.
Any hesitation on Mike Williams?
Not for me.
The only hesitation I would have,
and it's not to sit him,
but it would be if Keenan Allen plays
because then there's probably a little bit
of a different target distribution.
All right, then tell me about Gerald Everett this week.
How do you feel about him?
It's kind of like Hayden Hurst. If there is no Keenan Allen, then I think you feel me about Gerald Everett this week. How do you feel about him? It's kind of like Hayden Hurst.
If there is no Keenan Allen,
then I think you feel confident in Gerald Everett.
If there is Keenan Allen, then he's a maybe start.
Yep.
Okay.
Everett or Taysom Hill?
Everett in PPR, Taysom in non,
Taysom in both if Keenan Allen plays.
Yep.
Okay.
Which DST
do you like better
the good one
in a bad matchup
or the bad one
in a great matchup
I might roll the dice
on the Chargers
just based on how
Russ has been playing
I have
the Broncos
higher
they're both
fairly available
Broncos are 71%
rostered
which surprised me
and the Chargers
are 51% rostered alright let surprised me, and the Chargers are 51% rostered.
All right, let's go to Buffalo at Kansas City.
Sorry, I was really unprepared for this,
so just let me warm up the vocal cords.
Buffalo at Kansas City.
There we go.
It's the game of the week, yeah.
Hey, Heath, who's going to win the game?
The Bills or the Chiefs, yeah.
The game of the week.
Heath.
Yeah.
Who's going to win?
I didn't want to interrupt the song.
You're part of it.
I don't know how you can pick the Chiefs.
But they're at home.
I think the only argument
you can make the Chiefs
have a better tight end
and maybe a better
quarterback, but the
Bills are, I would
set this line at like
Bills minus six and a
half, and I would
take the Bills.
Wow.
Okay.
I mean, they've got
the motivation, the
13 seconds, they've
been eliminated by this team each of the last two playoffs.
Man, if they can't win this game against the Chiefs,
I don't know how they're ever going to beat them.
By the way, I just want to throw this up.
It's always a good reference.
I know I'm late, but Heath definitely looks like the hand
from the House of the Dragon.
Yes, he does.
I've only seen three episodes.
I'm way behind. But yes, he looks like Lord Hightower the Dragon. Yes, he does. I've only seen three episodes. I'm way behind.
But yes, he looks like Lord Hightower.
You're only on episode three?
I haven't watched in weeks.
I don't know how you find time to watch.
I really don't.
When do you watch?
He doesn't sleep.
He doesn't sleep.
He's making waver.
You're making moves at 530 this morning.
You want to hear a terrible story?
Yes.
This is awful.
So because of the Jewish holidays and my kids missing school and their
sporting events. So I basically been sleeping like two hours a night for like the last 10 days.
That's not healthy. Well, I mean, it's kind of in perspective because like I'll come after they go
to sleep, like I'll close my eyes for like half hour, an hour. Um, so last night, um, my older
one had a baseball game, came home. home um and you can see i i haven't
changed my clothes yet so uh came home i sat on the couch normally i set the alarm i didn't set
the alarm so oh no i fell asleep at 10 o'clock uh in that range i woke up at five i'm sure you
probably saw the emails i didn't do any waiver moves last night. Oh, that's why you had all those claims. Yeah. Uh, like six, six, six or no, it had to be more than that. Maybe 10 leagues.
Um, thankfully a couple of them, I didn't really need to make any moves, but I missed on, you know,
Benjamin where I was, you know, three or four on waivers. Um, it was very frustrating. Like I woke
up at five, I looked at the, at the phone and I was like, Oh my God, what did I do? I threw my phone on the couch.
I was so mad.
Oh,
wow.
So mad.
I'm glad.
Like,
I like the passion,
but I really want you to get some sleep.
I want you to get some sleep,
Jamie.
It is,
it is more important.
You gotta,
you gotta take care of your health here.
All right.
Schedule alert.
Seven of the next 11 games.
Well,
the last 11 games left for Clyde Edwards,
he layer through weeks,
uh,
through week 17, seven of the, his next 11 opponents currently rank in the last 11 games left for Clyde Edwards-Elair through week 17.
Seven of his next 11 opponents currently rank in the top 11 against running back.
So on paper, it's a tough schedule.
Stat of the game, no running back has rushed for 50 yards against the Bills this year.
Only Jalen Warren has 30 receiving yards.
So it's a tough matchup.
Trying to avoid Clyde Edwards-Elair. He has a very tenuous role, I guess.
It's a weird week because when I first did my rankings,
I'm sure he probably is in the range where he probably ranked him
at the beginning of the week.
He was inside my top 20, but then as you just look at it,
it's a tough week because there's not a lot of great options.
I'd start him over Najee still.
I'd start him over Zeke still.
I'd start him over the Jaguars guys still.
There's not a lot of guys that you could say start over Clyde.
But like I said, I would start the Colts running back.
Easy Jonathan Taylor.
But the other two guys, if there's only one,
I would start those guys over Clyde, for example.
Throughout this episode, just comparing players from other games,
I think we've talked a lot about this game.
Which quarterback do you like better this week?
Allen.
Wow.
He said it.
I mean, look at all those players he's got around him.
Which quarterback would you start your franchise with?
Oh, Mahomes, for sure.
For sure? For sure. Come on, for sure sure come on for sure yeah for sure
yeah yeah yeah josh allen's at least got to make a super bowl before it's a discussion
if the bills win the super bowl this year then it's not knowing that my home had what one year
ahead of him yeah they started playing the same year but, he was drafted a year ahead of him.
Drafted a year ahead of him.
So who,
if he wins a Superbowl this year,
rest of season,
rest of career,
2023 and beyond,
who's better?
I would still say Mahomes.
I would expect his playing style to age better than Allen's.
Oh man. What a,
what a fun debate this could be for the next,
hopefully 10 years
start or sit josh allen to make it a debate devin singletary
so one thing i think we've seen with singletary right in the games where the bills have had some
some struggles he's been great has he been great the dolphins game they struggled he been great? The Dolphins game, they struggled. He was great.
Two, okay, weeks three and four, he was great.
You're right, actually,
because they've only struggled twice, right?
Weeks three and four.
Yeah.
And he had 91.
It's like, you usually think,
okay, we have an opportunity to run the ball.
Let's run the ball.
No, not the Bills.
But it's really been his work in the passing game. Those are the two games where he has 13 of his 18 catches.
Yeah, I think it's going to kind of go this way this week well that that's what i want like he's a borderline number two running back for me but that it's also the games that gabe davis wasn't
healthy right so they didn't weren't necessarily able to take the top off the defense as much
so josh allen checked down more i just yeah i don't think they're going to struggle i think
they can do whatever they want.
I don't think Devin Singletary
is in their top three priorities of things to do.
Well, it is interesting because last week
with a healthy Gabe Davis,
Josh Allen basically doubled his air yards per pass attempt
from the season.
You know, going first four games compared to week five,
he basically doubled it.
He started throwing downfield.
But Kansas City, they are the
Seahawks of last year in terms of they allow them by far the most targets, the most catches,
and the most receiving yards to running backs. And once again, it is now all five games. There
have been multiple running backs that have either 20 receiving yards or a receiving touchdown
against the Chiefs. That is amazing. That is 10 running backs in five games with 20 receiving yards or a touchdown.
Last week it was Bolden and Jacobs.
So this is just a big part of how defenses are attacking the Chiefs.
So, yeah, like, Heath, what does that mean to you?
There's a lot going for and against Devin Singletary.
I'm trying to remember with Jacobs, like when his catches happened,
because there obviously was not garbage time in that game.
But I wonder if a lot of that has been fourth quarter teams playing from behind.
They're not running anymore.
And so they're dumping the ball off to the running backs.
I don't think that.
I remember it.
I remember it pretty well, actually,
because I played the prop over 18 and a half yards.
He was pretty close to that in the first half.
And then he actually had a screen pass
called back on a holding.
So in the first half, I believe.
So a lot of it did come in the fourth quarter
to get to over 30 yards.
But it was throughout the game.
It was like early in the game
that he sort of disappeared in the passing game
for maybe quarters two and three
and then came back in the fourth with it.
I think Singletary is a borderline number two.
He's not in that group of running backs I want to start,
but he's ahead of Najee.
Okay, so he's behind a guy like Benjamin if Connor's out.
Obviously behind Andre Stevenson.
Behind Melvin.
Melvin Gordon.
Okay.
All right.
I'd put him behind Clyde but I think that's
debatable would you guys start Devin Singletary or Gabe Davis okay much more upside with Gabe
Davis would you start Gabe Davis or a Seattle receiver Seahawks Seahawks okay Isaiah McKenzie or Singletary?
Singletary.
McKenzie and PPR.
Okay.
How many catches does he have? Because he only has one game with a lot of catches, I feel, right?
He only has one game with more than 37 yards, Isaiah McKenzie.
That was at Miami without Gabe Davis.
I'll be curious to see if Khalil Shakir just disappears now
or if it's kind of like week one
when Crowder and McKenzie were sharing that slot role.
Fair point.
Okay, on the other side of the ball, start Mahomes.
We've talked enough about Clyde.
Would you start Isaiah McKenzie or Clyde?
I would start Clyde.
By the way, I'm sorry. I was wrong. Isaiah McKenzie's best game? Clyde. By the way, I'm sorry.
I was wrong.
Isaiah McKenzie's best game came with Gabe Davis playing.
He was not playing at 100%, but he was playing.
That was the game he got concussed, right?
Gabe Davis or McKenzie?
McKenzie.
Davis has not gotten concussed.
No, it was the game before.
It was the Dolphins game.
Yeah, no, it was not the game he got concussed.
He got concussed in week four, I think.
McKenzie was good in week three? I don't know. You know what? I think I'm. Yeah, no, it was not the game he got concussed. He got concussed in week four, I think. McKenzie was good in week three?
I don't know.
You know what?
I think I'm...
Yeah, yeah, week three.
No, he got concussed in week four.
He was great in the Dolphins game.
Yeah, week four he got concussed.
Oh, Dawson Knox.
I forgot about him.
Do you like Dawson Knox if he plays?
No.
No, DFS play,
because he could have a two-touchdown game still,
but you can't trust him okay they are
not the Chiefs have not been good against tight end so it's not a bad matchup but you know he
just hasn't been very the Bills have not been good with their tight end right start Mahomes
Clyde uh Clyde or McKenzie I just asked you that what was the answer Clyde Clyde okay Juju
or Alec Pierce?
Pierce.
Pierce.
Juju or Drake London?
London.
I might have both the Chiefs ahead of London.
I'm not.
They're in this very similar range.
London. London.
No, Juju.
I don't know how anybody can trust Juju at this point.
It will matter if he,
like I'll change it if he's partial,
if he's a questionable going into Sunday again,
because he wasn't healthy last week,
but he's had eight targets in what,
four or five games?
Yeah.
I don't think he's not ever going to score touchdowns.
I like Dave's theory that he's just going to be better
against zone coverage because he's not able to beat man coverage.
And unfortunately, Dave is not here.
But I will ask him tomorrow because I don't know
the coverage schemes of the Buffalo Bills.
How about Travis Kelsey or Geno Smith, Superflex?
What? Kelsey or Geno Smith, Superflex? Do you know what?
Would you start Travis Kelsey over Carson Wentz in Superflex?
PPR.
Okay.
And which DST do you like better in this game?
No, okay, it's obviously the Bills.
Would you start the Bills or would you stream?
Stream.
Don't drop the Bills, though.
We're going to take another break.
When we come back, we've got four games left.
Miami at Minnesota is next.
We'll be right back on Fantasy Football today.
It looks like the Bills have played
the third lowest rate of man defense.
Oh, okay.
We're back to that game here.
Welcome back to Fantasy Football today.
Picking up on a conversation that we just had.
We're going to go to Minnesota-Miami in a second,
but so you're telling me the Bills are a heavy zone defense team?
They have been this year.
That would, for Dave, I think that would mean good things for Juju.
Where does he have Juju ranked?
He has him 37th in between where Heath and Jamie have him.
All right, now let's go to the Dolphins and the Vikings.
All right, kind of an easy game here?
No, I don't think so,
because I think Tyreek Hill and Mostert are tough calls.
But, you know, we did talk about Adam.
Tyreek is not a tough call.
In a two-receiver league,
you don't think he's a tough call?
No.
He's a top-12 guy for me.
What? With Skylar Thompson?
Who do you have big games with?
Matt Moore or somebody?
Chet Henney?
This could be the worst quarterback he's ever played with.
Could be.
Making his first career start.
I don't think Skyler is as bad as he looked last week.
He didn't get any reps last week.
Right.
I have no idea if he is.
Okay.
By the way, look what they did with Tyreek hill last week his a dot last week was
like 4.5 and if you're not familiar i mean that's that's like a running back basically i mean
you know usually he's running downfield he they just made it very easy for skylar thompson and uh
tyreek hill had seven catches for 47 yards on seven targets, but 4.6 ADOT.
The week before it was 12.3.
That's average depth of target.
That's how many yards on average when he's targeted.
And don't rule out if he stinks and Teddy's clear
that Teddy comes in in that game.
I do find it very strange that Teddy Bridgewater,
if he's healthy, he's going to be the backup.
I don't get that.
It could just be how they're operating now,
and they want to give Thompson all the confidence
that he's going to be the guy.
I mean, Teddy doesn't need to practice, put it that way, by comparison.
All right.
Cousins is top 12.
Cousins or Rodgers?
Cousin.
Rodgers. Nice side there. cousin mmm Rogers
nice side there
yeah I
I have
I'm not
I'm not making an argument
for either
but it's Rogers
so I'm higher
all right they're very close
you guys have Burrow
ahead of Cousins
right
yeah you
for now yeah
Burrow ahead of Cousins
they're very close as well
Cousins ahead of
Carson Wentz tonight Cousins ahead of Carson Wentz tonight.
Cousins ahead of Stafford.
Start Dalvin Cook.
Start Justin Jefferson.
Adam Thielen or Devin Singletary?
Thielen.
Thielen.
So in case you've been skipping around,
check out the time codes if you want to skip ahead to games.
But earlier I told you that Thielen's had seven and nine targets,
four straight games.
And every wide receiver who's had seven or more targets against the
dolphins has had a really good game.
Um,
and you know,
that might mean different things to different people.
He's like a number three receiver for Jamie and Heath,
uh,
any interest in herb Smith?
I mean,
minimal,
but he just hasn't done enough.
I think to warrant must start consideration.
No, he's a, he's a low I mean I'm starting him in Scott Fishbowl but it's tight end premium and he's my second tight
end okay all right so where do you have Raheem Mostert ranked Heath you like him low in number
two running back I do have him ahead of Devin Singletary.
RB20-ish?
I'd start him over both of the Cowboys.
Jaguars?
Over both the Jags.
Over A.J. Dillon.
I'd start him over Najee.
You're talking about a guy that's got
three of his last four games with 75 or more yards.
Last week, he finally found the end zone.
Edmonds has basically been, at least last week, was benched for Myles Gaskin at the end of the game.
So it's not really about a threat of anybody taking him off the field at this point.
It's just a matter of how comfortable you feel and confident you feel that he'll have success in this matchup.
And I think just given what this offense might morph into a little bit with the quarterback situation,
you see a few more opportunities to run the ball, like we saw last week against the Jets.
So I think he's probably looking at 18 total touches,
maybe 20, north of that, if they're playing with the lead.
He has an opportunity to be a number two running back.
Yeah, but if they're trailing, well, he was trailing last week.
If they're trailing, I don't know if that necessarily will change anything
unless they're down two touchdowns.
He had 18 carries and a blowout loss last week.
And Minnesota, in terms of a matchup, they're okay.
They're 22nd against running backs,
4.16 yards per carry to running backs, kind of neutral.
So you're starting Tyreek Hill with no questions.
Jalen Waddell, on the other hand,
where do you guys have him ranked?
Is he in your top 30?
Top 30, yes, not top 24.
Yeah, I mean, since we're going to compare every player who's playing this week to adam thielen i would start thielen over waddle i agree would you start
juju smith schuster over waddle no i'll go waddle would you start james robinson or jalen Waddle. Would you start James Robinson or Jalen Waddle? Half PPR. Waddle. Waddle.
Okay.
All right.
Mike Kosicki's a sit.
Minnesota's DST is absolutely in play.
They are 76% rostered.
They have not been good.
But, you know, you got to like the matchup.
They're top 10.
Jacksonville at Indianapolis. This is, I'm guessing, the first rematch of the NFL season?
Yes. Okay. The Jagu guessing, the first rematch of the NFL season? Yes.
Okay.
The Jaguars won the first one.
Let's talk about James Robinson here and the season he is having.
He has four carries of 20 or more yards.
That is fourth most in the NFL.
It is really, really good.
However, James Robinson also leads all running backs
who have a minimum of 20 carries. He leads all
running backs in percentage of carries for zero or negative yards. He's been an all or nothing
kind of guy and he's facing a really good run defense here. But they have given up 30 or more
receiving yards in all five games to a running back. Maybe that helps ETN. Heath, it sounds like
you kind of want to avoid the Jacksonville running backs. Yes, I do. I would start ETN over Robinson,
though. His snap share has gone down each of the last four weeks. He played 63% in week two,
then 58, then 47, only 41% of the snaps last week in a game where they scored six points.
He had 10 carries for 27 yards.
Everything's trending the wrong direction.
Could it turn around?
Sure.
But even in that Indianapolis game,
he had a 20-yard touchdown run or something.
37.
37, and he had 64 yards on 23 carries.
Yeah.
I do not want to start James Robinson.
Trevor Lawrence, start or sit?
Russell Wilson or Trevor Lawrence?
I think I already asked you that.
I'm sorry.
You guys said Wilson, right?
Wilson.
Okay, he did score 22.5 points against the Colts.
They are kind of an average pass defense.
What's that?
That game was so weird, though. The Colts were so stripped down offensively.
Yeah.
Yeah, the Jaguars crushed them.
He's another guy who's not really running.
He has...
He did have 29 rushing yards last week.
That was his first game with more than 11 rushing yards, Trevor Lawrence.
So, all right, Trevor Lawrence...
What's that?
It's just Colts' entire team revenge game for this one.
Who?
It's revenge for the Colts after what happened.
Oh, okay.
It's a revenge game.
I see.
Lawrence or Mariota?
Lawrence.
Oh, that's easy.
Lawrence or Garoppolo?
Garoppolo.
I've got Lawrence higher, but no strong feeling.
QB2 only.
Stafford against the Panthers or Trevor Lawrence?
Stafford.
Stafford.
All right, sit the Jacksonville running backs if you can Jacksonville wide receivers all right Christian Kirk had a nice
game in the first meeting he had uh what 70 yards and two touchdowns I think what do you think about
Kirk coming off two disappointing games this week against the Colts I'd go back to him again
my favorite player for Jacksonville's game by far.
I would start him over Adam Thielen.
They allow the fewest fantasy points to wide receivers.
So let's take a look at some of the noteworthy guys.
Seven catches to 82 yards for Brandon Cooks against the Colts.
Christian Kirk, 78 yards and two touchdowns.
Juju had five catches for 89 yards.
Robert Woods.
These are all pretty good days.
Yeah, I know.
Robert Woods had 30 yards and a touchdown.
Cortland Sutton had five for 74.
What you don't see are number two wide receivers
doing anything.
So it is usually like one guy has a solid game.
Nobody's blowing the doors off of it
except for Kirk because he had the two touchdowns.
And the number two guys are
terrible. So based on the first five
weeks, not a game for Zay Jones.
Or Marvin Jones because Zay Jones
still banged up. Yeah.
In fact, here it is. They've allowed
78 to 89 yards to a lead wide receiver
in four or five games, but no more than 53
yards to a number two wide receiver.
Okay, that pretty much sums it up.
Evan Ingram.
How about Evan Ingram cracking your top 12,
Heath, for both of you? And you got him eighth in
PPR. The Colts, this is a bit of a
vulnerability for them. Six most fantasy points at tight ends.
I hate
tight ends so much.
It's the
worst thing.
But I love Mark Andrews and Travis Kelsey.
Ingram or Everett?
Everett if Keenan Allen's out.
Yep.
I have to make that decision in a league,
and it will be Everett if Keenan Allen's out.
Ingram or Pitts?
Ingram.
I'm probably going Pitts
Ingram or Hurst
Hurst if he
Higgins is out
all right
Ingram had one of his two good games against Colts
he does
yeah he had what 70 yards
no 7 catches 46 yards
Matt Ryan any interest in Matt Ryan?
Not really.
I would start him over Trevor Lawrence.
Let's talk, Jamie, about the Colts running backs here.
You had Jackson and Phillip Lindsey
splitting pretty evenly last week at Denver,
both doing fairly well.
The Jaguars allow the eighth most fantasy points
to running backs.
They're better when they have
Foley Fotukasa
or Fotukasi
at nose tackle or defensive tackle, and he
might not play this week.
They're also a little vulnerable in the passing game.
Break it down. If Jonathan Taylor starts,
that's easy to start him. What if he doesn't?
If Taylor
does not start and Naeem Hines does, I would start Hines.
I'd go right back to him.
You kind of got a small sample size of what was going to happen in that game last week against Denver
when he had three opportunities to touch the ball in the first three plays of the game.
If he's out and Taylor is out, then I would put Deion Jackson as a top 20 running back this week.
It's a favorable matchup.
You've seen the Jaguars' run defense completely fall apart the last two weeks.
And I think his role in the passing game will be what Naeem Hines' role in the passing game would be.
So you're looking at maybe four to five catches.
So love the way Jackson responded coming in in the emergency situation.
Lindsey also did not practice on Wednesday for an undisclosed reason,
so who knows what he's dealing with.
And so we could be looking at maybe the Deion Jackson show
if Hines does not clear the concussion protocol and Taylor's out.
You all right?
Yeah, I'm fine.
I'm starting the Colts starting running back.
I think we're getting a lot of these today.
No, that was unrelated.
It was more like that, I think.
Okay, what did you say, Heath?
You're starting the Colts running back?
The starting running back for the Colts
will be in my starting lineup.
Okay.
Over Devin Singletary?
100%.
Yes.
Michael Pittman, start or sit?
Still a must-start guy.
Yeah, I'm definitely starting him over Adam Thielen.
Is it sneaky? Maybe a sneaky, tough matchup? a must-start guy. Yeah, definitely starting him over Adam Thielen.
Maybe a sneaky, tough matchup.
McLaurin, Mike Williams,
Devante Smith, Brandon Cooks. Only one of those guys had more than 20 yards. That was
McLaurin, who had 58.
Two of them caught a touchdown.
But they've actually done a pretty good job against receivers.
Alec Pierce, more of a stash than a start at this point.
46% rostered, from I think 14%
I don't mind him as a high end number three
No not at all I would start him over Juju
but I would prefer to start Adam Thielen over Alec Pierce
Full circle I love it
Alright which DST do you like better Colts or Jaguars
Colts
Alright Jaguars? Colts.
All right.
Jaguars have been pretty solid,
seven or more fantasy points in every game.
And they've, yeah, they've been solid.
And by the way, no team has been sacked more than the Colts.
They lead the NFL in sacks allowed.
New England's at Cleveland.
Bill Belichick said, after Ozzie Newsome,
David Njoku is probably the best tight end the Browns have ever had.
How about that?
That's rude.
All right.
We're going to sit.
How dare he diss Gary Barnes like that?
Yeah.
Yeah.
We're going to sit the Patriots quarterbacks,
and we're going to start the hell out of Ramondre Stevenson.
What about Jacoby Myers?
Heath, Jacoby Myers or, hmm, how about Adam Thielen?
Yeah, I think in PPR you go with Jacoby Myers.
In non-PPR you go with Adam Thielen.
Jamie, how do you feel about Jacoby Myers?
72% rostered as of yesterday.
Didn't check today.
I mean, the last few times he stepped on the field,
he's got 18 PPR points and 24 PPR points.
So it's been a nice two game stretch for him.
There's unfortunately two games that he missed in between there.
But I think you kind of know what you're getting.
You're probably getting somewhere in the neighborhood of eight targets.
You're probably getting somewhere in the neighborhood of 70 receiving yards.
If things go well,
probably not going to score.
So keep that in mind.
But he did score last week with Bailey Zappy.
And I don't think this Brown secondary is something that you fear.
So if they decide
to throw, then I think, you know, Jacoby
Myers has an opportunity here and would not be surprising
if they're chasing points. Bailey Zappi.
Am I the only one who sings Pharrell
when you hear Bailey Zappi?
Yes. Okay.
By the way, going back to last year,
you want a floor
for Jacoby Myers in PPR? Nine
straight games with at least nine ppr fantasy
points uh but only four games in those nine with more than 12 but that's still i mean you can just
plug in nine ppr fantasy points that's that's not bad and he has eight or more targets in eight of
his last nine games including the playoffs going back to last year. Okay. Any interest in Hunter Henry if Johnnie Smith doesn't play?
He did have five targets and 54 yards last week.
Kind of a sneaky good game.
Not really.
He's in the Irv Smith range.
Cleveland, by the way, is a team we should be looking at.
They might be legitimately good against tight ends.
They allow the second fewest fantasy points to tight ends.
We'll keep an eye on it as the season goes on.
Sit for set, start Nick Chubb.
Would you rather start Jacoby Myers or Kareem Hunt?
Hunt in non-PPR, Myers in PPR.
Yep.
Half PPR.
Hunt.
Myers for floor, Hunt for ceiling ceiling i love to hunt for ceiling and kareem hunt is right
around 24th in the rankings in both formats for you guys so he's a decent option cream hunt over
clyde yes no oh who's playing more i wonder i think I think Hunt. I would think Hunt, too.
Hunt.
Well, you know, I think he has more touches.
I don't know if he's playing more.
Hunt or Najee?
Hunt.
Hunt.
Hunt or Thielen?
Same as Jokobi Myers.
Okay.
And, yeah, the Patriots
have a better run defense
than pass defense,
it seems.
They weren't,
they have not given up
a rushing touchdown
yet this year, right?
That is right.
Yeah,
they have not allowed
a touchdown to a running back
this year.
I think that's going to change.
Running back that they face.
They played the Packers
and they played
Jamal Williams last week
who does score a lot of touchdowns.
They've been a much better
run defense than the past. The past defense has not been very good.
So Amari Cooper is a number two receiver.
Start him.
And Najoku is a top
eight tight end. Start him.
All right. DST. Do you like
a DST in this game? They're both available
in about half our leagues.
I like the Patriots a lot.
And their next three games
after this are also favorable, too.
Okay, the problem is
the Browns actually allow
the fewest fantasy points
to DSTs.
They run the ball so much
they've been sacked
five times this year.
That's tied with the Chargers
for the fewest.
They've only thrown
three interceptions,
lost one fumble.
The Patriots rely a lot
on turnover,
so I just want to bring that up.
What do you think about that, Jamie?
I think that they're going to make Jacoby Brissett pee himself.
I'd start both defenses.
Brissett revenge game?
It is a Brissett revenge game.
It is one.
How about that?
Yes.
All right, Tampa Bay at Pittsburgh.
I think that, you know, we said it earlier.
It's basically start all Steelers.
Start all, no.
Nope, don't listen to that.
Start all Bucs.
And mostly sit all Steelers.
Is Deontay, I think Deontay and Pickens
we should talk about here,
but can we just say sit Najee Harris
and not even have to get into it?
Is that fair? I don't know if that's probably fair because I'm sure a lot of people are still starting Najee Harris and not even have to get into it? Is that fair?
I don't know if that's probably fair because I'm sure a lot of people
are still starting Najee Harris.
You got Mike Tomlin saying on Tuesday that
they want Jalen Warren to, or he's going to continue
to be involved.
He's not performing very well. You're facing
one of still the best run defenses in the NFL.
It was good that he got
back involved in the passing game last week with three catches,
but is he going to do anything with
it? So 15 total touches
maybe in a tough matchup?
It's hard to say. He's a must-start running back.
That was three catches compared to
seven for Warren, and pick it through 52
times. So Heath, where do you have
Najee? Yeah, he's not
a must-start running back by any stretch. He's not a
top 20 running back,
or I really don't even want him in my top 24,
but it's a bad
week at running back, and there's four teams on
a bye, and they all have pretty good running backs,
so you might be stuck starting
him. I think I'd probably
still start him over the Jags.
I'd still start him over A.J. Dillon.
Yeah.
Okay.
Also, just so you know,
the Bucs allow by far the fewest receiving yards
to running backs.
And if you take a look at that,
I mean, it's crazy.
The Dallas running backs had 11 yards.
Mark Ingram had 23.
Aaron Jones had 11.
The Chiefs running backs had three receiving yards
and a touchdown.
They've been incredible here.
They were terrible last year, too.
Yeah.
It's odd.
All right. Pittsburgh...
It's almost as if coaching changes things.
Well, they
have the same
coaches. I know. I'm saying he's
adjusted. Yeah. Maybe.
Or it could be a fluke. It's only been five games.
Chris
Godwin. Jamie, you're higher on him than Heath.
You have him 10th, and Heath has him about 19th.
You're confident in Godwin
after he was limited last week?
Yes. I think
they said on the broadcast that they
were resting him a little bit in the second
half there and playing Scotty Miller a little more.
I
think he's ramping up
towards something. I like the fact that he's still giving you 12 PPR points
it's the last two weeks that he's been back
and so it's kind of similar I think he said this about
somebody I don't remember but
touchdown comes he's going to have a big day
so would not be surprised against his defense
how bad the secondary has been that he scores
I really hope Jamie's right
me too I can't get out of my
lineup the Steelers secondary is beat up.
They really are bad against the pass.
Deontay Johnson or George Pickens?
Who do you guys like better?
Pickens has 185 yards in his last two games.
Johnson has 71.
Still Deontay, but they are very close.
They're moving towards each other, but still Deontay,
and I would start Deontay over Adam Thielen.
Why?
Yeah, I would start Thielen.
He has one game below 11 PPR points,
and he hasn't scored a touchdown yet.
Is he going to score a touchdown?
They've thrown two touchdowns this year.
He's going to score a touchdown, yes.
He probably has the most targets in football
without a touchdown.
All right, how much do I win if we make a $10 bet?
What kind of odds would you give me
that Deontay Johnson does not score a touchdown
the entire season?
The entire season?
Yeah, yeah.
Can I get 30 to one?
500.
You'd have to put some, it depends.
Are we putting an injury disclaimer on it or not?
No.
No injury disclaimer.
He plays at least 15 games.
Oh, at least 15 games. Then I would
give you probably $5,000 to one.
Okay. Will you
pay me? No. $50,000
for $10? All right.
Yeah, they've only thrown
two touchdowns this year, Pittsburgh. One to
Friar Muth and one to Najee Harris.
He probably does have
the most targets without a touchdown. That's a good call.
All right. So you'd start him over Thielen.
Jamie would not.
Would you start Rondell Moore?
I see they're back-to-back for Jamie, so that was cruel.
But Rondell Moore or Deontay Johnson?
There's more upside, I would hope, with Deontay Johnson,
but I might pivot to Rondell.
I mean, that position has outscored Deontay Johnson.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, it's definitely.
And I've never been the Deontay Johnson guy at all.
I know.
It's definitely Deontay for me.
Why is it definitely?
What?
Why definitely?
Just because I think his role is a lot more.
He's probably going to get twice as many targets.
I don't know if he's going to get twice as many targets.
I mean, they threw 50 times last
week. How are they going to throw 50 times every week?
They might this week. I think they're probably going
to be behind a lot, and they can't run the
ball. Oh, man.
How about
Romeo Dobbs?
I guess if you're looking at it that way, I don't know
where they stand right now, but the Cardinals, through at least
the first four weeks of the season, were second
in pass attempts, right? Number one.
Yeah. Most pass attempts in football.
So if you're taking
pass attempts into the equation... What's the number
one target getter versus the number three on the team?
Well, the
position for the Cardinals
has been probably not far off.
He could be number two, though.
I bet Dorch and Rondale Moore are probably not that far off. It's probably not double.
I bet Dorch and Rondale Moore have combined for more targets than Ertz.
Yes.
It's not exactly fair because week four is a little skewed.
Whatever.
It's kind of a tangent here.
Would you start Romeo Dobbs or Deontay Johnson?
Deontay still.
Deontay.
Who's your favorite tight end in this game?
Well, one might not play. So I don't know if you want to tight end in this game? Well, one might not play.
So I don't know if you want to put Zach Gentry in the conversation.
Two might not play.
Well, Brake practiced in full on Wednesday.
Oh, in full?
Okay.
Yeah.
I was going to say Kay Dotton if there was no Brake.
But if Brake plays, I might go Gentry.
Gentry didn't practice yesterday, right?
No.
Knee.
Oh, you didn't practice either?
No.
He had a knee issue.
Friar Muth, if Friar Muth plays, would you start him over Brayt?
Yes.
Would you start him over Njoku?
No.
No.
Or Evan Ingram?
No.
Which DST do you like?
No, just kidding.
Start the Bucks DST.
And have a great day and enjoy the Yankees tonight.
And if you want to throw in that football game, that would work as well.
Hopefully the Yankees get rained out and we don't have to make that decision.
Am I right, everybody?
All right, we'll be back on Friday with the NFC home games for Jamie and Heath and Shafi T.
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