Fantasy Football Today - Start or Sit (AFC): JK Dobbins, Xavier Worthy, Tony Pollard and More (11/21 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: November 21, 2024

Who do we love (4:35) and who are we avoiding (6:55) this week? Brian Robinson Jr. is set up for success, but there are several running backs who might struggle in tough matchups. We also give you the updated news and notes (10:30) ... One Question for Each Game (17:40)! Is Isiah Pacheco going to play and what would that mean for Kareem Hunt? Do we like Jameson Williams? Rhamondre Stevenson? Calvin Ridley? Zay Flowers? And who is our workhorse running back (24:00) to watch in Week 12? ... Start or Sit for Lions-Colts (26:15), Patriots-Dolphins (38:10), Ravens-Chargers (46:50), Chiefs-Panthers (55:40), Titans-Texans (1:03:00) and Broncos-Raiders (1:07:40) ... Email us at [e-mail] Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday SUBSCRIBE to FFT Express on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-express/id1528634304 Follow FFT Express on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6qyGWfETSBFaciPrtvoWCC?si=6529cbee20634da8 SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179 FOLLOW FFT Dynasty on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1 SUBSCRIBE to FFT DFS on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dfs/id1579415837 FOLLOW FFT DFS on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5zU7pBvGK3KPhfb69Q1hNr?si=1c5030a3b1a64be2 Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." Visit the betting arena on CBSSports.com for all the latest sportsbook reviews and sportsbook promos. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We have six AFC home games to talk about Detroit at Indianapolis. Can we go back to Anthony Richardson? How about Jamison Williams? New England's at Miami. Ramondre Stevenson's been running poorly and the Dolphins run defense has been getting better. Baltimore's at the Chargers. It's the game.

Maybe it's the game of the week. We'll see, should be a good one. Kansas City's at Carolina. It's not the game of the week. Tennessee is at Houston. And yes, Kansas City at Carolina. I know that's an NFC home game, but it's on our show today. Tennessee at Houston.

Denver at Las Vegas. Bo Nicks gonna be another good game for Bo Nix. He's facing an injured secondary for the second straight game. Heath, I've got to catch my breath. What's going on? Well, I still have an iguana in my ceiling. Oh no. So that's still happening. I've got a couple traps set up on the roof, but so far he is not, she is not taking the bait. Well, I thought you had solved the problem. I thought it came out of the hole. Well, it did, but I didn't get the hole. The hole I found is much, much larger than I thought.

You really want this thing alive because if it dies in there, it's going to smell so bad. Yeah, because it's like it's legitimately with the tail probably four and a half, five feet long. Oh, okay. So yeah, sometimes they're even bigger than that. Let's talk about, should we talk about the weather? How's the weather looking for tonight in Pittsburgh and Cleveland?

Yeah, same as what I see so far. And I say that because Kevin Roth's not updated his Twitter account. And while I do appreciate Dave's weatherman voice and Dave's weather opinions, I generally base my rankings changes on Roth and what he says right now. It sounds like it's going to be cold. We might get a rain snow mix. He has not said, um, anything about increasing wins. So I think we just have to watch this afternoon, this evening. And like, if you see winds that are more than 15 miles an hour, then you should downgrade the quarterbacks and the pass catchers, I will, um, if it's just a cold game with a little bit of rain and wind, like this is the dealers and the

Browns, They are used to that. It's not like if Jamie and I had to deal with 35 degrees and a rain snow mix. Got a comment in the chat, 100% chance of sun wherever Dave is. But I just looked on weather.com and as of now this evening in Cleveland it it's supposed to be cold with precipitation, 15 mile per hour wind. It's not horrible, but it's not good. I mean, it's not like, it's not good. Just leave it at that.

Well, the other thing that we watch a lot of times, and I'll check that out right now, is like, what's the over-under doing? Okay. And it was 36 and a half yesterday. It's 37 now. Okay. But still that's so low. It's really terrible. All right. Uh, let's, let's, uh, spin it positive here. Talk about players we love. Jamie, who's our start of the week for week 12? Brian Robinson Jr. Um, you know, excited about his matchup here, taking on a Cowboys defense, coming off a Monday night game.

They have fresh legs. Offensive line is healthy for Washington. Clearly he's had a good season. As I wrote in the story, I think we all have seen comments like this. Did I draft the right B Robinson early in the year with the way Brian Robinson was outperforming B John Robinson? But this Cowboys defense has obviously struggled. You saw what Joe Mixon did against them last week. It's been some big blowout games against them recently. So they are among the bottom teams in terms of fantasy points allowed to opposing running backs. I think Robinson's going to have another opportunity for a big game.

I think Austin Eckler is worth using as a flex as well. I have Eckler ranked ahead of Tony Pollard, Chuba Hubbard and Deandre Swift this week. So I think both running backs have a chance to do well in this matchup against South. Deandre Swift with a groin injury. We'll talk about that a little bit later. Heath, who do you love this week? You know, I'm, can I just tell you like what my last 15 minutes has been like. I went through this whole long spiel of explaining why I love Jerry Judy and then

I realized it was a Thursday night game and I wasn't even sure I was supposed to use him and then we got the weather situation. Um, so I'm not even sure if I'm supposed to use him, but I'm still going to say it because I do have all three Browns wide receivers tonight ranked as top 24 options and Jerry Judy is a top 15 option. This feels like it can be so bad so easily with the weather. If the wind, like I said, as of right now, I'm not expecting huge winds. If there's huge winds, that changes. Completely changes.

But let's just assume that the forecast is 10 to 15 mile an hour wins. That's what I think it is right now. Like you look at since Jamus took over and Cedric Tillman scored three touchdowns in three games. So his overall fantasy production looks just a little bit better, but he's wide receiver nine per game. Jerry Judy's wide receiver 10 per game. Elijah Moore's wide receiver 28 per game. He was the one guy who had a bad game the last time they faced a tough defense. If there's bad weather, Elijah Moore might be the least impacted because he has more short area targets and works in the slot.

A lot of the wide receivers you look at that have been good against the Steelers have been that type. that have been good against the Steelers have been that type. But Jerry Judy's numbers 1.97 yards per route run 24% target per route run. Like that's a number one wide receiver. That's with Jamis. Yes. Okay. All right. So Brian Robinson Jr. for Jamie, Jerry Judy for Heath players to avoid Jamie who he's sitting. I'll go back to the running backs. I mentioned pick one. I'll let you decide. So we'll leave the Andre Swift out of it. You want to or you want Pollard? Pollard because right now I'm not expecting Tajay Spears. He's had more than 20 touches and two of three. I think 18, 21, 23 touches, something like that in

the three games without Tajay Spears this year. So that's hard to pass up. It's hard to pass up but it's a bad matchup against a Houston defense that's really good against the run. And I think he's dealing with a foot injury that we're not really talking about a lot because every time he plays, there's a report about playing through foot injury, playing through a foot injury. He's gotten under 10 carries each of the last two weeks. And yes, that does coincide with Spears being back. And he did have four catches last week, but he's been 10 PPR points or less each of the last two weeks. yes, that does coincide with Spears being back and he did have four catches last week, but he's been 10 PPR points or less each of the last two weeks and I do think he'll get to that number. So he's still low on number two running

back, you know, so it's hard to get away from clearly a player like this in a week where we have six teams on a buy, but I just don't love the setup for him. I think this offense is really struggling to run the ball right now. The offensive line is banged up with a Houston defense that's really performing, you know, especially in that regard, stopping the run, they're gonna make things uncomfortable for this Titans offense. So I just don't love the setup for Tony Paul right now,

with or without Tajay Spears. Okay, yeah, so it was, his touches in three games without Spears are 18, 23, and 31. I don't think we can expect that, but yeah, Houston, since they've gotten Aziz Al-Shyar back, basically when they have Aziz Al-Shyar, their star linebacker, they are so good against the run. They've had some bad games, but that was pretty much all without Aziz Al-Shair.

All right. So Tony Powered is one of the running backs to avoid. Heath, how about you? I'm going to go with Devontae Smith and I would start all three Browns wide receivers over Devontae Smith, even on a week with six teams on a buy, even on a week when we've, a season when we've had so many wide receiver injuries and problems, I can't trust Devontae Smith, who has six catches for 43 yards in his last two games. He's been very unreliable when Dallas Goddard and AJ Brown have been both healthy.

And he's on the injury report with a hamstring injury. Yeah. All right, Devontae Smith. Try to get away from him. We've got, oh, big announcement for the, for you mailbag fans out there. You like the mailbag? Well, it's coming to you tonight. Thursday night at like 1130 PM.

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but he is expected to play at the Packers. Cooper Rush is gonna start, I already mentioned this stuff yesterday. Cooper Rush is gonna start, but they could use Trey Lance in certain situations. Same with Russell Wilson, he's obviously starting, but they could use Justin Fields in certain situations. All right. The running back news. Actually, there were, I wanted to say there were a few

players that you could be looking to add right now. Now, one of them or two of them we already talked about, but we have injury updates. So Roshan Johnson, we didn't know DeAndre Swift was dealing with a groin injury. I mean, I didn't know that unless I just didn't say it, but I, unless we didn't say it, but I didn't know that when we did the waiver wire show on Tuesday. But now it could, it could account for why his snap count was lower and Roshan's was higher. Yeah. And I mean, I don't get the sense that he's going to miss the game yet, but Roshan Johnson, 53% rostered becomes even more appealing. Unfortunately, he has a tough matchup against Minnesota, but Eberflus, Matt Eber flus did say the word hopeful.

Yeah. I don't know. You take that in for what it's worth. Sure. Okay. But, but Roshan Johnson, I think becomes a little bit more appealing with this injury. Amir Abdullah, we talked about him, but knows Amir white, no Alexander Madison at practice on Wednesday.

And then I just wanted to say another guy that I mean, I'm, I don't even know who I'd be starting in our 14 team podcast league because I have Bijon on a bye. I think I have Tajay Spears on the bench, something like that. I picked up some your white just in case he plays and Madison doesn't. And again, he'll probably do horribly against a good run defense, but he's 26% rostered. So there is a chance he'd be a starting running back this week, but right now he's out and Madison out for practice on Wednesday. And then there's a guy who's number one per game at his position and he's

55% rostered and he's a kicker, Austin Cybert, who may not play this week, but he has been limited in practice. So that's Washington's kicker, Austin Cybert. Just take a look. You might want to take a gamble on him at 55. So the smart move is if you want to use him is just make sure there's another kicker you like. Yeah. Which there should be. And pick him up now.

Right. You pick him up first because he's had a great season. Jason Meyer should be available. Chase McLaughlin should be available. Will Lutz kicking indoors against the Raiders. They're number one. And most fantasy points allowed to opposing kickers. I know too much about kickers.

You can you can you can pivot easily if you don't get cyber back. All right. More running back news. Isaiah Pacheco has been limited in practice. And so Madison is a mere white mispractice. Pacheco limited, though. You guys, let me ask you as a chief fan and a fantasy manager, and a fantasy analyst. Do you want Pacheco back this week? Or do you want to give them another week to get healthy since they don't need him against the Panthers?

No, you don't bring him back. You got a short week this week. Playing on Friday, I think they may have another short week after that. They have the they have the that one the Wednesday game is Christmas game. Yeah. Oh, no, they have the, is that when the Wednesday game is? Christmas game? Yeah. Oh no, no, no, no. No, that's in two weeks. It's in a couple of weeks. So yeah, give him the, I wouldn't even play him on Friday on that short week. You can give him, let's just get him healthy.

I just don't know if he's going to be any good. Well, are you guys going to rank him or what? Like what do you need to see to rank Pacheco? Once, once he's ruled eligible to play, we'll obviously rank him. We're not ranking him now because based on what Andy Reid said yesterday, you know, no guarantee he's going to play this week. So I almost would rather like have him for the fantasy

playoffs as opposed to right now. Yeah, that'd be great. I mean, especially for all the Kareem Hunt managers. Anyway, Deandre Swift mispracticed, especially for all the Kareem Hunt managers. Anyway, DeAndre Swift mispracticed, Raheem Moster practiced in full, Tajay Spears mispracticed.

Wide receiver news. Mike Evans is expected to play. Calvin Ridley mispracticed, but it's just an illness. He should be fine. Devontae Smith mispracticed. As Heath mentioned, he misses practice on Wednesday a lot.

So I think we expect Devontae Smith to play. C.D. Lamb was limited, but he's fine. And Brandon Cooks could be back this week for Dallas. Tight end, Jake Ferguson, unlikely to play. George Kittle says he is going to play. And Sam Laporta is looking good to play.

Have you guys ranked Sam Laporta? Yes. Okay. I intend to. Yeah, same. Okay, yeah, Sam Laporta should play. And- He's had a late basketball practice last night, so.

Uh-oh. Until nine o'clock last night. a lot of running for a JB son. He did a little running. It's it's really amazing. He I've I've already made a huge impact on his life. He went from, you know, just kind of middle of the pack in terms of sprints to just winning every sprint and laughing at everyone while he does it. Dice love that. All right, we'll skip the office stuff.

Although Cleveland tonight, Cleveland's going to be without their two left tackles. So they're shorthanded at left tackle. And there's a lot of defensive news. That's good going against Steelers. Yeah. In the rain, in the wind. Houston's getting healthier on defense. Will Anderson was limited.

Oh, the big injury is Roquan Smith, linebacker for Baltimore. They play Monday at Chargers. They are like a yard and a half worse against running backs per carry with Roquan Smith out compared to when he is in the game. Oh, the double revenge game too. Is what the hardball is it? Gus Edwards? Yeah, they're all gonna see the OC and both running backs. Well, I mean, I was just thinking the players, yeah. OC, yeah, and you got the hardball thing.

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Voila, your groceries delivered just like that. Welcome back to Fantasy Football Today. Here we go, one question for each game. Detroit is at Indianapolis. Aman Rasaym Brown is the best receiver in this game. Who's the second best wide receiver in this game? Josh Downs. In full PPR, it's Josh Downs. In full PPR it's Josh Downs. In non PPR I'd go Jameson. Would you start

both of them over Devontae Smith? Yes. I would start Downs over Smith in both formats. I would start Williams over Smith in non PPR. I still take Smith in PPR. At some point he's going to have a good game. I agree with Heath. It's up to trust right now, but at some point it's going to happen. Trey Lockerbie – New England is at Miami starter sit Ramandre Stevenson, who is averaging 2.9 yards per carry in his last five games since returning from a foot injury. And the Dolphins are giving up 3.81 yards per carry to running backs in their last five games since they're by starter sit Ramandre Stevenson. Keithon Dr. Stevenson must start running back. Can you go over the teams that the dolphins face?

Cause I think that matters. Yeah. They faced the Colts without Jonathan Taylor, but they were great against James Connor. They faced Buffalo. They faced Kyron Williams. He did a good job against him. I don't remember how they did against James Cook and Las Vegas last week. So actually not that bad a competition.

I think I wonder how much the Raiders game is is factoring in there because that was a terrible running performance from that team. I don't think it's as much as you think. I can tell you real quick running backs against Miami. Let's see James Cook had 10 carriers or 44 yards. Kyron 15 for 62 Connor 20 for 53 in a touchdown. Raiders were awful. Uh, Colts running backs were bad. So let's say they've been solid against good running backs. I mean, Steven said a good game against them and we five, and just based on how

this run defense has gone and how many touches he'll get, I think he's, he's the most dark guy. There's been three straight games, at least six catches for the running backs as a team, maybe not one running back, but at least six catches, three straight games. And we've got six teams on a buy and we don't like, we don't even know if DeAndre Swift is okay. We don't like Nick Chubb. We don't like, like there's plenty of guys we just don't like either. So I think he's, he's at number two. Running back. Okay. Baltimore's at the chargers rank these three players. Lad McConkey, Zay Flowers, J.K. Dobbins.

Roquan Smith in. It's Flowers, McConkey, Dobbins for me. Roquan Smith out. It's Dobbins, Flowers, McConkey. I will go Flowers, Dobbins, McConkie. Ravens allow 3.1 yards per carry to running backs with Roquan on the field. 4.5 yards per carry to running backs with him off the field, it's only 23 carries. But their defense basically changed

when they acquired him mid-season a few years ago. All right, next game, Kansas City at Carolina. You could not have a bigger difference in matchups, right? You've got the best run defense in football against a team that gives up, if not the most, close to the most fantasy points of running backs. So who is the best running back in this game? Cremont?

So I asked this question thinking more along the lines of Pacheco was going to play. You guys seem to think he's not going to play or it seems like you're leaning that way. Right. Currently leaning that way. Yes. Okay. And why is that?

Because the reports last week was that he was going to be ready to play this week. But that's a coach's decision at this point. Like if he's healthy and ready to go, they don't have to play him. You know, so like what Heath was talking about with how the schedule is playing out for them. I mean, again, like do you risk him in this game or is this the ramp up game? Could be either one. Look at what McCaffrey's gone through. He doesn't look right yet.

He's still going through essentially his preseason and trying to get his legs underneath him. It's going to take a couple of games for Pacheco to get there. So I'm sure they want to have him ready to go, you know, when they get to December, but do they need him? And how much does practice matter more than, than games at this point, just to get his legs underneath him and getting him healthy. So based on what Andy Reed said yesterday of, you know, not a guarantee,

I would anticipate, you know, and I wasn't even thinking about the, the early game next week. Like, why would you look at what, what, what did Kevin's fancy just do it with Nick Chubb, right? They limited his naps last Sunday because they knew they had the Thursday game. Yeah. So I agree. Like I'm not saying start Pacheco. I'm wondering if Pacheco plays, does it hurt Kareem hunt enough to put Chuba Hubbard ahead of Kareem hunt? Right. Is we, we don't expect Pacheco to play. Andy Reid said if and when they both play together.

I don't know why you would rush a guy back off of a broken leg to play against the Panthers when you have a division game in four days. And also, I think you just look at it like in comparing the two backfields, we have no idea how much work Jonathan Brooks is going to get. You know, so you're also talking about one team playing the worst run defense versus one team playing the best run defense and both may be sharing touches. I'm still going to take Kareem over to Hubbard at Pacheco place. All right. Tennessee's at Houston. Who's a better start Tank Dell or Calvin Ridley? Denver's at Las Vegas. Who's the best start?

Jacoby Myers or a running back in this game? I'll take Javante over Jacoby. Yeah, agreed. Interesting. Okay. Jacoby Myers had one of the better games for a wide receiver at Denver earlier this year, Six catches, 72 yards on nine targets. He had one catch for 18 yards on two targets against Patrick Sertan. So he did most of his damage away from Sertan. I wonder, this is the first time, unless I'm mistaken, the Broncos are seeing a team for the second time this season. Yeah, I don't know. So how much does game film from first matchup matter?

And does Sertan just follow Myers the entire time? Are you trying to insinuate that the Broncos might do a better job of making adjustments than the Raiders? Ha ha ha. It's just he's not the kind of wide receiver that he would follow, but maybe I'm wrong. I mean, he's emerged. He probably deserves it.

We don't. I don't dislike Jacobi Meyers. Where do you have him? 24. Okay. All right. 22. Now it's time for the Workhorse to Watch segment brought to you by Microsoft Copilot Plus PCs powered by Snapdragon, the fastest, most intelligent Windows PCs ever. In this segment, we'll identify a player whose battery just doesn't seem to run out, similar to Co-Pilot Plus PCs. Heath, who is our workhorse to watch this week? I think a workhorse everyone will be watching is Kyron Williams. You look at this season, there's been no greater workhorse.

76.7% share of his team's rush attempts. To put that in context, there's only two running backs who have a share higher than 60%. He's at 76.7%. And then you go over to the passing game. We don't think of him as a guy who catches a lot of passes, but he's run 239 routes. That's the third most amongst running backs this season. Only Breece Hall and B. John Robinson have run more routes than Kyron Williams. So he is a guy who's just going to be on the field all the time.

And that's why even in a matchup against an Eagles defense that has turned itself into one of the best, if not the best defense in the NFL, I'm still treating Kyron Williams like a must start running back a top 12 option. Yeah, he hasn't scored a touchdown in a couple of weeks. I expect that will change He treated him like the the the commander has treated their running backs last week against Philadelphia throw the ball to him He's got two games with five catches in his last three I think that matters, you know, it's gonna be tough to run on Philadelphia. So he's gonna get the work You're still starting him. But man, it's just it's just frustrating sometimes when they don't evolve them in

the passing game. But also, I would say that it's much harder to throw on Philadelphia. Their run defense is it's not that it's bad, but it's I would say it's their weakness. They're they're still solid, but better, much better. It's bad, although I don't know. They're not saying we're sitting to cool or, you know what, that game's tomorrow. That game we'll talk about tomorrow. That was the Workhorse to Watch segment

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Schedule alert! Jared Goff, we talked about this last week. Jared Goff, after this week, his opponents rank first, eighth, ninth, first, and seventh against quarterbacks. Will it matter? I mean, this guy's playing at such a high level. Although he was coming off two bad games in a row and he scored over 40 points last week. Anyway, starters at Jared Goff. Start. Yeah.

I feel like a quarterback's really good this week. You guys feel that way? Yeah, despite the six teams on a buy, you know, you still have, you know, what feels like, you know, very good options, you know, I think the people that are making the decisions on replacing, you know, the quarterbacks are off with Richardson or May or maybe Winston, you know, I know I'm in a few of those leagues where I'm stuck. But, you know, for the most part, I think, you know, you can feel, you can feel comfortable with two or you can feel comfortable with Bo Nicks at this point, obviously, uh, golf at this point, you know, is,

is, is a safe, safe starter Baker back with, you know, Mike Evans. Like there's a lot to like about the position. Yeah. You guys have golf and Nick's back to back. You both have Bo Nicks one spot ahead of Jared golf. Yep. We like, we like them both. Um, all right. Start the Detroit running backs and I'm on Ross St.

Brown and let's talk about Jameson Williams. I wanted to give this statistic on Jameson Williams in his, uh, so he had one game where he had one target, one catch for negative four yards, horrible game, other than that, when he said more than one target, his two worst games have been when he's had an eight out of 28 yards and 22.6 yards. In his other games, he's been 11.6 to 15.5 yard A-dots and he's had 76 or more yards in every game. So I know we think of Jameson Williams as just this downfield guy, but he's actually

a lot better when he's being used in the intermediate part of the field as well, because he can do a lot of catch and run stuff. How do you guys feel about him against the Colts this week who are 18th against wide receivers. They've allowed 78 yards or a touchdown to 15 wide receivers in 11 games. He is the ultimate boom bust. Number three wide receiver. You feel fantastic about him.

If you can put him in that role, you've got to start him as a number two. There's a little not a very not a very high floor. Anything should we ask the eight ball today? So yeah ask it but I'll let you go. Okay should we start Jameson Williams this week magic eight ball? Answer unclear. Ask later. All right we'll ask in a few minutes. So to Heath's point the ultimate boomer bus wide receiver, he's played eight games in four of those games.

He's got 14.4 PPR points or more. So half of his games he's been beyond serviceable. You look at what happened last week. So no Sam Laporte Laporte's by three turn. I believe it's a season high in targets with six. Can he do better than that with Laporte on the field? It is his highest since week two. He had 20 in his first two games and we thought James Williams was the league winner.

So you want to see, can he still be that involved? I'm sorry. You know what it was? It's every time he's had six or more targets, he's had a big game. So that makes sense. Can he be involved? I think so. To your point, Adam, it seems like he's got six or more targets, he's had a big game, you know, so that makes sense. Can he be involved? I think so, you know, to your point, Adam, it seems like the he's got two big plays this year where they're crossing routes where they clear everything out he runs underneath and, you know, see ya. Good luck trying to tackle him. It's a good matchup. Given the the teams on a buy, we're talking about him and I don't know where you have him ranked, but you know, to me me it's a similar range of guys with pickup rounds, receiver, uh, Devante Smith. Um, yeah, actually we have a question. Jameson Williams or Tillman from the chat. Tillman

for me, uh, Tillman for me, unless the weather's no changes, then it would be David. Okay. Yeah. And then I don't think I can ignore the Laporta thing anymore. I thought it might, might have been a coincidence because his target per route run rate was a lot higher with Laporta off the field than on the field, but that was never a game where Laporta had missed. So I thought it was just kind of fluky, but based on last week,

I don't know if I can call it fluky anymore because it's not like golf just doesn't throw to other tight ends. He just, he was not gonna throw to Brock Wright when Laporta is out. So I do think that's pretty significant, right? We've got to factor that in. La Porta expected a play.

All right. And they've been, and he's been better at home. I think Jameson Williams too. I don't know if that matters to you. That might be fluky. And this is a road game. Sam La Porta. You did have a good game at Dallas.

Sam, yeah. I'm not saying he's been terrible everywhere, but all right, Sam La Porta. Indoor is indoor. Indoor is, yeah. Sam La Porta, starter sit. Low end starter at best. It's a good matchup. You know, again, he's just been so tough to trust, but like I'm still starting Will Disley over him. I'm starting John Smith over him.

I started him over Tucker Kraft, for example, over Colt Comet. You know, I started him over Schoonmaker personally, but you know, that's kind of the range where he's at right now. Yeah. I've got Mark Andrews at 12 Dallas, got her at 13 Tj Hawkinson at 15 and he would be right. And you might be 14 right there with them. All right. And we'll ask the eight ball one more time. Should we start Jamison Williams this week? Magic eight ball

can't say now. Okay. thanks for nothing, you pilot junk. Anthony Richardson. Let's see, Anthony Richardson or Matthew Stafford against Philadelphia. Richard. Richard. Anthony Richardson or Jordan Love against the Niners. Love.

Love. Gino Smith against Arizona. Richardson. Richardson. Tommy Cutlets against the Bucks. Why do you shrug your shoulders like that? I was doing the fingers like the, hey, you know, that he always does. We're not going to do that thing on this show, I don't think.

Okay, well, speak for yourself. You go with Richardson over to Vito, right? Yep. Okay. Yes. Here's a tough one. How about Darnal at Chicago or Anthony Richardson? Richardson.

Richardson. Okay, is he in the top? I'm starting Mayo Richardson person. Take Mayo Richardson. He's 11th for Heath, I think 15th for Jamie, something like that. Yep, sounds right. Perfect. That is right. God, I'm good at this. Good at reading. You Yeah, sounds right. Perfect. That's it. That is right.

God, I'm good at this. Good at reading. You're the best. All right, here's it to, oh. Except for when you read things wrong three times in a row. Oh, you're talking about my, okay. So I had this horrible nickname. It was gonna be the nickname of the game and I deleted it from the notes.

So now I have to go back and find it. Okay, it's Amanraekwaza St. Brown. And you're like, who the hell is that? Raekwaza is a Pokemon, and Amanraekwaza St. Brown is also a Pokemon, because he catches them all. He catches every single target. And I had gone in this game,

like he has caught 44 straight targets. And I did the math and I looked and I double checked and I triple checked. And then this morning I was like about to, it was like gonna tell Heath and Thomas, oh, listen to this clever nickname. And I noticed he did not catch two of his targets a couple of games ago.

So I got that wrong. So nevermind. Anyway, Jonathan Taylor is interesting because you guys are pretty different on him. Jamie's got him as like a low end. Let me check the updated ranking so I don't make an idiot of my. All right, you move him to 17th.

He was 23rd, but Jamie, Dave's got Taylor 19th. Heath, you have him 11th. But I am nervous to start Jonathan Taylor because he has five catches in five games with Anthony Richardson. He's facing a good run defense. If he doesn't score, I think he's going to be pretty disappointing.

So Heath, you seem optimistic here on Taylor. Yeah think he's going to be pretty disappointing. So, uh, he's your seem optimistic here on Taylor. Yeah, he's just getting all of the running back touches almost like there maybe, maybe a target or a carry goes to somebody else. And it's like, we've got sick. And I'll just say this, like every game, I guess, but we don't have all of the running backs that we would like to have this week. Um, and so I'm not, I'm not sitting Jonathan Taylor. Like I know the lions

are good. They're not to me like the Ravens and even the Ravens I'm starting JK Dobbins probably. Would you start David Montgomery over Taylor? I have Taylor one spot higher. All right, Jamie would start Montgomery. They're basically the same. I mean, they're not getting passing down work and one guy scores touchdowns every week, you know, so why wouldn't you trust David Montgomery against the Colts as opposed to Taylor against the. Lions, you know, so I mean, to me, it just makes more sense to go with, with Montgomery, the one thing that could work in his favor, Taylor is Alexander as long as out, you know, so there's a change in the defense.

And so, you know, I know you don't have the yards per carry yet because it hasn't happened. is the Colts are not going to stop running on them. So that will hopefully help both Richardson and Taylor. And so it's just a matter of how much you want to buy into them. So you're not benching down the Taylor's just too, too tough to get away from someone like this. But like I like cream hunt better, assuming there's no Pacheco. I like Brian Robinson better because I think the match was more in his favor. So another similar type profile, you know, guys not going to catch a lot of passes. I know it's a busy show. Yeah, thank you. That's exactly what I was going to click and you've got to own this. I knew it when I said it. Yeah, Poke, Adam, Pokemon don't catch Pokemon.

Trainers catch Pokemon. Yeah, I knew it when I said, I'm sorry. I did have to correct myself there. All right, we got to finish up on this game. So Jamie mentioned you don't run on the Lions. What you do is you throw to wide receivers because you don't throw to, they're good against tight ends. They're good against pass catching running backs,

but they have seen by far the most wide receiver targets per game in the NFL, and they give up the fourth most fantasy points to opposing wide receivers. A wide receiver scored 16.1 or more PPR fantasy points in nine of 10 games against the Lions. However, they have faced some of the very best receivers in football, I mention that all the time.

They also give up the most receiving yards to slot receivers. So like or love Josh Downs this week. I think it's hard to say love with Richardson just because of the potential erratic throws that may go his way. But it's now back to back games where he's had a big production and based on the matchup and opportunity, it's hard not to love him. So he's a must start receiver for me. Do you guys want to start any other Colts receivers?

No, I'm, I'll flex, not start, but I'll flex Michael Pittman. Um, like the one thing that happened when Richardson came back with and Pittman came back was that Pittman was the clear number one in terms of targets again. All right. He had a 28% target share last week. So if he gets 28% target share against this Lions defense, got a pretty decent chance to be a good flex. Start the Lions DST.

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Okay, are we going to start Drake May this week? He has scored 22 or more fantasy points and six points for passing touchdown leagues in three of five healthy games. The Dolphins have struggled a little bit lately against quarterbacks. Jamie, you like him, you know, not love them, but 14th for Drake May. Who'd you say you were starting him over? Not Richardson.

Richardson, is that what you said? I am starting him over Richardson. I'm starting him over Darnold. I'm starting him over Stafford. I'm starting him over Dino. Okay. Stevenson is probably a tougher call. You guys have him in the top 18 in PPR.

He's in every down back basically. So that's the great thing. But I don't know, man, like he's running like garbage. It's like what Jamie said about Tony Pollard. It might be that he's playing hurt. Yeah. Right, but one matchup is great and one matchup is not. I don't, all right.

That's the thing. Do not start him in your YPC for life leagues. Well, he's not playing that well. I mean, his last two games, 8.7 points at Chicago, 12.9 points against the Rams. He had 20 carries in both of those games. The two games before that, he scored over 22 points. So he's a head scratcher.

I get it. Yeah, I think is the difference there just like he scored two touchdowns in one of those games and zero touchdowns in the other two? Yes, that is a difference. So he's going to score between 10 and 12 fantasy points if he doesn't score a touchdown and he's going to score over 20 if he does score a touchdown and that sounds a lot like a number two running back. Okay.

Any interest in a Patriots wide receiver? Douglas as a number three receiver in PPR he had six for 59 against them with per set in week five It's basically when he's getting seven plus targets. He's getting around ten PPR points, you know, so he's not gonna score touchdowns That's just not part of his profile right now Maybe that changes in this game But you have seen some slot receivers recently have success against the Dolphins. And so I think he's going to get seven to nine targets, I think he's going to be around 10 PPR points, you know, 14 on a good day. Not bad, given the bi

weeks. Yeah, and in case on booty for a guy who's 4% rostered, he usually comes through for about eight points. It's not that bad. You know, look, it's not a six targets in four straight games. And he was, I don't understand what happened on this play. He was wide open in the end zone. It was the easiest touchdown pass

that Drake may would have had. And he didn't throw it. He just didn't throw it. He decided to scramble instead and he got tackled. But Booty could have had a touchdown there. Booty and Bourne are kind of the reason I'd like to move Douglas a little bit higher. But I think it's possible in a given week that he could be the third best Patriots wide receiver. Right.

So yeah. And then Hunter Henry, you know, like everything you were saying about Ramon Dr. Stevenson. Yeah, you know, he's got like this good floor. And then if he scores a touchdown, it's gonna have a good game. Well, Hunter Henry has scored nine and a half or more PPR fantasy points in five of his last six games And he's one touchdown in those games So you guys like hunter Henry this week against the Dolphins? Very much. So yeah, I start okay. He's been in this since May has taken over. He's been

top ten tight end better than Mark Andrews. Yeah. Uh, better than, uh, how about, I don't know how we feel about, I mean, I know how I feel about him, but Kate Otton with Evans back, I'm still starting Kate on until I see something different. Yep. Uh, yeah. Uh, and John, who is the one streamer that I have ahead of him, although I probably wouldn't make that change, but I'm like, I'd start Henry over

Disley or Andrews or Goddard or Rockenson. Yeah, great. I would start Henry over John. Start or sit to a tongue of Iloha. Top 10 quarterback this week. Yeah, he's not quite that high for me. I, you sent us an article, Adam, about the Dolphins offense and I Cal they, we had too many big plays last year. We didn't have longer drives, more plays. And they're like, but you know what?

It was really a struggle early in the year. They had a hard time with it, but they figured it out last week against the Raiders. It worked. I just like, can we have some more big plays? I remember reading the same article, not the same exact article, but I probably from the same writer on ESPN in the preseason and Tyree Kill said, we cannot be this reliant on the big play. We use the same quote.

Yes. And he referenced that he said, this is what Tyree said in August. Right. And I remember reading it in August and I dismissed it. I was like, okay, great. Well, you're not going to have big plays. This is intentional. They are one of the lowest a dot teams in the NFL

I think the lowest since to a came back from injury and it is working for them I mean to a degree it's working sucks for us, but it's wonder if this is a this was a a planted article and To get the Patriots to bite. Oh, I don't know, but it's- I would love that. I don't necessarily agree that it's working out. Like, they're four and a half games back in the division. Well, they're- They had all those games with-

They're more than 234 yards- They're game out in the last column of the final wild card spot. And yes, Heath, I would agree. It doesn't feel like it's working. They're a personal foul penalty away from beating Buffalo, who they lost to on a 61 yard field goal. Um, you know, you got, you got two miserable losses without two against the

the Titans and the Colts, you know, like the season could be dramatically different if two of plays just for this week though, this is as simple as this for me to is coming off of three touchdown game, the Patriots is a lot of four touch out game. Matthew Stafford, we have six teams on a buy. I'm starting to at home against Patriots. Okay. Heath, why are you not just cause he hasn't been that dynamic? Well, he hasn't been that dynamic or that good. Like I think Jamie's reasoning is fine. And what happened, like there's good trends from last week, but like he's averaging 30 yards less passing per game and basically a full yard less per

pass attempt and the touchdown rates down. And so I just like, I just don't like it. Yeah, me either. Start HN. 20, 21 points against the Bills, the three touchdown game against the Raiders. That's two of his last three, you know, I just don't think this Patriots defense is that good. Start HN, sit Jalen Waddle. And what about Tyreek Hill? How do

we feel about him this week? Next question. Okay. Mustard guy. Jawan Jennings or Tyreek Hill? Tyreek. I have Jennings. And all right, we'll start on both. And John New Smith, you guys like a lot.

Okay. He's got three touchdowns this season. They're all from Tua, which is kind of a lot in Tua. How many games has Tua played? I do think it was brilliant. Like we want to have fewer big plays. Let's take J. Will and Waddle's targets and give them to John New Smith and that should fix it.

But honestly, like they're not doing it because they think they have a better offense. They're doing it because I think it makes them a more balanced team. It's going to keep their defense off the field. And they feel like it's going to help them win games. Cause they obviously, they've been a good regular season team. They haven't been able to get to the next step,

the next level. If they get into a game where they don't hit on big plays, they're screwed. So they needed to have a look. I hate it too. But I understand the reasoning behind it. I just wish that they could throw in a little lightning in there from time to time. Well, I mean, it's, it's almost like be explosive early in the game, then be ball control middle and late in the game. That to me is a good formula for success. It's just frustrating to watch Jalen Waddle not get opportunities and to see those go

to John New Smith. Now granted, look, as fantasy players, we invested a lot in Jalen Waddle, whether you drafted him in the second, third, or fourth round, people were drafting him with high expectations. And John New Smith has now become a relevant tight end. So there's the trade off there for the other fantasy managers that need that. But you'd like to see both get more opportunities. I can see more just chances across the board and certainly more plays a little bit further

down the field to let these guys get their hands on the ball and be explosive. So maybe that's the balance that comes. It's still to a miss four games. They're, you know, work in progress as the seasons evolving. But here we go. You're starting you're starting John Smith this week. He had a good game against the Patriots the last time that was what you come with. Malik Wallace, I believe was started in that game. Yeah, not Malik Wallace.

Huntley, Scathered Townsend, Tyler Huntley. Yeah, Huntley. Why am I saying? Well, somebody's not into it. Um, we can, we can finish up. Go ahead, Jamie. Yeah. You know, hopefully Donna plays well again. Miami's DST is borderline top 12. They've been solid two weeks in a row. Uh, Baltimore's at the chargers. Here's the stat of the game. That's really probably not going to affect your, your decisions, but it's just kind of interesting.

Justin Herbert, he's the number five quarterback per game in the last four weeks, but he's been awful inside the 10 yard line, seven of 21, 50 yards and four touchdowns on 21 pass attempts. Justin Herbert has the fewest green zone touchdown passes among the 17 quarterbacks with 18 or more green zone pass attempts. And so here's here's another thing, right? Like compare him to Joe Burrow. among the 17 quarterbacks with 18 or more green zone pass attempts. And so here's another thing, right? Like compare him to Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow and Justin Herbert have the most and the second most touchdown passes from 26 or more yards out.

But Burrow has 27 touchdowns and Herbert has 13 for this season. So Burrow is getting a whole bunch of big plays. Herbert is getting a whole bunch of big plays. Herbert gets almost no short yardage touchdowns. It's crazy. And that's why I wonder if we're overreacting a little bit. Are we over, are we over rating him a little bit? But it is Baltimore, right?

Like he's just. It was a pretty big range. I think difference in our rankings on him too, right? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh, sorry about that. Like third for Jamie, second for Dave 12th for Heath. I think that's probably what it is, is like just he's been really good lately and still in that stretch, there's a lot of games where it's just kind of a

borderline top 12 performance. Um, hopefully the Steve, the Ravens didn't figure something out against the past last week. Jamie, you're very high on Justin Herbert. I mean, based on the last month, uh, last six games, it's been 32 or more pass attempts and four of those he's run for 32 or more yards and two of his last three, like he's doing everything we want to see. And his receiving core is healthy and playing well. This is a matchup where Roquan, now Roquan, it's still going to be tough to run against. I don't think they're going to try and go out there and play smash mouth football against the Ravens when every quarterback aside from Russell Wilson has really had success

against this defense when they've been, you know, feet to the fire. So I like the setup for a guy that's as hot as he is right now in this matchup. All eyes on him. I mean, there's, there's now talk of him as a, as a MVP candidate, you know, he's not going to win it because he's too far behind, but like that's how well he's played for a team that's just on fire right now. So yeah, to me he's top five quarter. I want to go back and I think Dave hasn't ranked to the top five quarter back also. So he may not like this comparison, but like Dave had mentioned going into last

week that like these Steelers and Ravens games always turn into kind of low scoring ugly games and he was 100% right. And I just wonder like, who knows each other better than these brothers. And one of them has the other's former offensive coordinator as his offensive coordinator. Now they've got players that they've they've like, I just wonder if this turns into another one of those games as much as we want it to be issued up. All right, by the way, Dave, I said Dave had him second, Justin Herbert, he has him seventh

is the mark. I think it was second earlier. Okay. Yeah. Those things change quite a bit throughout the week. So third for Jamie, seventh for Dave and 12th for Heath. I nearly made Herbert the start of the week, but he started in too many leagues now at this point, you know, so. All right, let's go through this game.

Here we go. Lamar Jackson start Derek Henry start justice sales desperation play. Although one thing I noticed about Justice Hill is that he usually has better games when he faces teams that give up a lot of receiving yards to running backs. The Chargers are not in that category. They've only allowed fully allowed two touchdowns to running backs all year one rushing one receiving sit like probably dropped Deontay Johnson. He's 60% rostered. Uh, Zay flowers. Are you guys confident in Zay flowers this week coming off two disappointing games in a row? Yeah. Uh, still starting him. Yeah. So top 20 years here. Top 20 for Jamie, top 12, I think for Heath and Rashad Bateman is in this desperation flex category.

And Rashad Bateman is in this desperation flex category. Yep. Okay. Mark Andrews, borderline start. The most borderline start. Yep. Okay. And then Isaiah Likely is, well, Heath is usually higher on Isaiah Likely. He has him in the same range as Andrews, I think,

but lower, a little lower. Two spots back. Yeah. And I will say like Andrews is one of those, like there's three streamers that I would start over on this week. I also understand if you don't want to carry two tight ends, I don't want to drop them.

Yeah. So. Just get them five targets, it'll be fine. Herbert, we talked about, all right, how we feel, I can't imagine anyone's gonna start Gus Edwards, worth rostering at 50%. How are we feeling about J. about JK Dobbins, he's He is a number two running back. I am probably almost certainly starting him

Greed Jamie Agreed. Yeah again outlook looks better if real Kwan's not there But it's hard to get away from what he's still capable of doing revenge game all those things that go into this And look both both Steelers running backs were productive last week against Baltimore. Najee ran well, but also had the passing down work that put him over the top for a 13 point game. Jalen Warren was involved in the passing game. They can throw the ball to J.K. Dobbins and he can have some success there.

So I think he's safer than Gus, clearly. Gus, 16 carries in the two games back. You wonder if they get any goal line chances Do they give him a chance to run one in as opposed to Hassan Haskins like we saw two games ago But I think Gus is a is a very desperate desperate desperate flex option How much do you love lad mcconkey like her love lad mcconkey this week? Like love He's a number two receiver this week.

Josh Downs or Lad McConkey? Downs. They're back to back. I'll take downs. I got a lot of questions here in the chat. So we got to talk about Quentin Johnston too. But let's go. Let me get a few questions in from the chat.

Would you drop Mark Andrews for Will Disley? From desperate for a win, yes. Right. Disley or Njoku? Njoku, even if the weather's bad. Yep. Bo Nix or Justin Herbert? Herbert.

Nix. Mark Andrews or Kate Otten? Otten. Herbert or Kyler Murray? Four point per passing touchdown. And who's the better running quarterback lately? Kyler for me. I bet you in the last three that Herbert's running numbers, rushing totals are better.

His yards, yeah. Not the touchdowns. I'll start Murray though, in four point. Herbert, Richardson, Daniels, Rankham? Herbert, Daniels rank them. Uh, did Herbert Daniels Richardson, Daniels Richardson, Herbert. OK, now, um, if you if you like lab, a conkey Jamie, how much do you like Quentin Johnston? He's not far behind him. He's still number three receiver. You know, the targets haven't been there for him, And I hate being reliant on someone who's touchdown dependent, but he has scored

in three straight games. It is a good matchup. So with six teams on a buy, there's a chance for a blow up spot here. But if he doesn't score and you're talking about five targets and three catches for 45 yards, that's the, I think the scary part of what Quinton Johnson's game can be. He's slight, like just basically Jameson Williams with a slightly lower floor. Now I don't think Heath was part of the bet but he should be allowed to come to lunch with us that you have to pay for us. Right. That's fine. Yeah, we'll

go to McDonald's or whatever. No, no, no, we're gonna go to your expensive diner that you took us to the last time. What was that? Which one that you took us to? You mean Darce went to? Oh, Bagel Land. Oh, my gosh. Geez. New York prices for South Florida food. They won't be a sponsor moving forward. I love them. I've been going there my entire life.

I love that place. And South Florida food is great, but it's way too expensive, man. Like, come on, you can't you can't be charging like $18. I remember what it was. Who did you think was better than Quentin Johnston? Me? Oh, as they really get off waivers. Yes.

Yeah, my kids didn't eat for a week after meeting Adam for lunch there. Man, let me tell you, Quentin Johnston, wide open touchdowns like every week. It's not, they're not even contested. He just gets wide open on some busted coverage or whatever it is. It's kind of hard to not even contested. He just gets wide open on some busted coverage or whatever it is. It's kind of hard to trust,

but Baltimore allowing the most fantasy points to wide receivers. Good opportunity. Look, we saw last week was the first game that a team scored more than 20 points against the chargers was a great offensive game for them. We're thinking the same thing. Will Disley is a guy that we like as a top eight tight end. Um, and then I would probably, we're sitting the DSTs, right? Yeah.

All right. Let's get to the easier games. Kansas cities at Carolina. How many times have, have a, we had a quarterback score 20 or more points in six point per passing touchdown leagues and a running back score 14 or more points in PPR in the same game against Carolina. Any guesses? 20 or more for a quarterback, 14 or more for a running back, six point per passing touchdown, full PPR. Have they had their buy yet? Yes, last week. Zero. 10.

Three times. The Saints with Carr and Camara, the Bengals with Burrow and Chase Brown, the Bears with Caleb Williams and two running backs. But if we lower that to 12 points for a running back and 20 points for a quarterback, it's happened six times in 10 games. So that's just a bad defense. You think we're going to get that? Are we going to get 20 points from Mahomes and 12 points from Kareem Hunt? Yes. Yep. All right. All right. Patrick Mahomes or All right. All right. Patrick Mahomes or Justin Herbert? Herbert. Mahomes. Patrick Mahomes or?

I think we need to track the rankings for Heath of AFC West quarterback since he's had this job. Okay. Why? I was, listen, that may be true. I was, I think early on Bo Nix. I don't doubt that. I don't doubt that, but higher on Bo Nix.

I always is higher on Russ. I, maybe I just, maybe I've liked the Broncos quarterbacks. It seems forever, forever anti Derek Carr. It seems well. Okay. I think that was proven right. He's fifth in yards per attempt. He's amazing.

He is really killing it. He's like rationally low on the team that's number two in the AMC West quarterback. All right, so how about Bo Nix or Patrick Mahomes this week? I think I've got it. This week, Mahomes-Nix. Yeah. Perfect.

No, it's reasonable, right? I mean, great matchup from a home. Since the Andre Hopkins got to Kansas City patch from homes of scoring 23 fantasy points per game. You know what? I can't get over. He had, I say this a lot, I think against the Broncos, he had Kelsey wide open in the end zone for a one or two yard touchdown.

So easy. And he missed it. This has been the worst year of his career. If he makes that layup of a throw, he scores almost 25 points against the Broncos. That so that if he had made that throw, it would have been 30 and a half against Tampa Bay, 25 against Denver, 21.8 at Buffalo.

And then we're pretty pumped about him going up against Carolina. You know what I mean? Like it just looks so good on paper. It really does. You know, and you hope that it's, everybody's involved. Like you hope that there, this is Hopkins has a big player, two scores, touchdown Xavier worthy builds off the game last week. Maybe even Juju, if you're desperate, I don't know if you can trust that though. Kelsey has a touchdown. Like this should be a vintage

Patrick Malm's game. All right. Just to speed things up as I've taken a long time here. Kareem Hunt, you guys right now have ranked as a must start guy top 13 in full PPR because you're not ranking Pacheco. If Pacheco plays, Kareem Hunt will be where? 18 or 20 in that range. Yeah, I'm still starting him. And Pacheco would be a flex at best. So Heath, you got to make the case for Chuba Hubbard here because you have him 14th.

Dave and Jamie have him 25th, 23rd. So earlier we were talking about workhorse running backs and Chuba Hubbard's been one as well. He's one of those two backs with a rush share over 60%. He's run a ton of routes. He's been awesome. And I don't have a big role projected for Jonathan Brooks in his first game. It's kind of like Pacheco. I did drop him a little bit because of the matchup.

I dropped Hubbard a little bit because of the matchup. I dropped Hubbard a little bit because Brooks is there, but I still can't get away from Chuba Hubbard as good as he's been. And that's a great way to be in the Chuba Hubbard camp. I just think, so we have our show on Wednesday on CBS Sports Network with Robert Turbin, Heath and myself, co-host with him, and Robert's former NFL running back. He's been our running back whisperer. He was on CBS Sports Network with Robert Turbin, Heath and myself, you know, co-host with him. And Robert's former NFL running back, he's been our running back whisperer. He was the most adamant guy I heard at least on Saquon, on Derrick Henry, and it's played itself out.

He did a little victory dance yesterday. We were talking about older running backs. He said, don't be surprised that Brooks has maybe 10 carries in the game. And if that happens and the matchup and the potential score, I don't know how you can trust Chubahubber. Oh, the matchup is so bad. James Cook last week scored about 20 fantasy, 19.7 PPR fantasy points, but he had nine carries for 20 yards. He happened to score two touchdowns. He had five catches for seven yards. He's the only running

back with more than 13.2 PPR fantasy points against the Chiefs. That includes Bijan, Camara, Derek Henry, to name a few. And they and a lot of them had 16 or more touches. So it is such a bad matchup. It's not like Chuba is a top 12 guy. He's 14th for Heath, but Heath's the high guy. All right, you guys have major cases. Any other Panthers that you wanna start or even consider? I think the receivers are all worth looking at

with clearly Coker being a little bit of trouble right now just because of what maybe Phelan might do. But if you have roster spots you want to roster Xavier LeGette, you want to roster Adam Thielen just to see. And look Bryce Young and Super Flex and 2QB leagues they're probably chasing points here nothing's the biggest stretch. So can he get to that 15 plus range you know makes you a little bit somewhat needy for, you know, 16 is on a bike to use them. The TV and Sanders kind of interesting 8% rostered chief struggle against tight ends.

He's had five to seven targets and four of his last six games. Think he's the might be the only tight end to score against the Giants. I don't remember that might not be true. I think you're right. And he's only had one end zone target all year. And it was two weeks ago against the Giants, but Sanders, I would like to see what happens with Thielen back, how that changes things. In all likelihood, Jalen Coker is going to lose his job.

They're both slot receivers, he and Thielen. I don't know that Thielen's going to play a full Snapshare or anything this week. So then that brings us, Kelsey is a must start. That brings us to Hopkins and Worthy. Who do you guys prefer and do you like them as starters? Number three receivers. I would give a slight nod to Hopkins just based on what the expectation should be. You know, I, you know how the chiefs operate. It just felt like they were going

to try and manufacture some touches for Xavier Worthy with the whole trade and how that, you know, Hey, look what you missed out on. And maybe that was just the, you know, me playing out the narrative in my head and then it working out that way, part of the game. But what have we seen from Hopkins? He's now played four games with this team. He's had three tough matchups and one easy one.

The one easy one, he went nuts against Tampa Bay. I don't think this is as good a matchup, but I don't think it's that far off. So this feels like a get right game for Hopkins. So there's no real certainty he shouldn't be considered a starter in two receiver leagues, but with six teams on a buy three receiver leagues, I'd be I'd be starting I Hopkins ahead of worthy and full PPR worthy ahead of

Hopkins and non and they're both number three wide receivers. James and Williams or chiefs guy James. Yeah. Uh, Michael Pittman or a Chiefs guy. Chiefs, uh, both Chiefs guys. Okay. All right. Start the Chiefs DST. Let's go to Tennessee at Houston. Tennessee is actually allowed the third most points per game in their last five games, which is a lot of good offenses, Buffalo, Detroit, New England, Chargers, Vikings. So that's, that's tough sledding. All right. I'm going to, I have a bunch of stats,

but I've been talking too much today. I'm going to let you guys talk about this. Heath, break down Tennessee at Houston. Like you're so, so good at doing. Yeah. You're starting Joe Mixon. You're starting Nico Collins. Cankdale is a boom bus number three that hasn't boomed very often. And I'm still going to start Pollard and Ridley as low in number twos at their position. I don't want to start the quarterbacks. Would you start Dell or Hopkins or were they? Dell.

Jamie, you can answer that too. I have it right now. Hopkins, Delworthy. Okay. And this, you know, is kind of a, I think a good test for Mixon because Tennessee's got a pretty damn good run defense and we're really worried about him in the fantasy playoffs against Kansas City and Baltimore and Tennessee. And Tennessee in the playoffs. Wow. Yes, man.

They've held Swift Jacobs, H and Dobbins, Aaron Jones and James Cook to 9.2 or fewer PPR fantasy points. They're really good. So let's see how mixing does in this game. Not no one wants to start Stroud. No, but he's in that May Richardson, um, slightly behind Jordan Love, but I would start them ahead of Stafford. I hadn't started him ahead of Donald this week. Um, it's more, it's more optimism.

Clearly he hasn't had a good stretch of games since the Buffalo game. When Nico first got hurt, he's been sub 15 fantasy points every week. So he's struggling right now, but it feels like he's do. And I don't, I don't think this defense is one to fear. Oh no, they've been really great matchup for their last five games. I mean, their defense has been horrible for the last five games, but it's, it's largely matchups and they're missing two key pieces in their secondary too. We talked about Pollard at the top of the show.

Pollard or Ramandre? Ramandre. Yep. Pollard or Dobbins? Dobbins. Yep. All right, Jamie is by far the low guy on Pollard, just so you know.

Dave's the high guy. Pollard or Bucks? You're actually to debate that on CBS Sports HQ today. Nice. You know how much I like it. It doesn't happen very often. I really like it when I'm just in the middle. In the middle. I know.

I can see both points. Pollard or or Rashad White, Bucky Irving. Actually, both Bucks running backs better. I got Pollard over them. Okay, so we have just a difference there. Giants coming off a buy. And we got Tommy DeVito like, every inspired bucks are coming off a buy to it's true.

They don't have to be now. They have Mike Evans, but you know, he's gonna do get Mike Evans back. Alright, so this is a stupid stat that drives me crazy. Will Levis, he's only averaging 8.6 air yards per pass attempt, which is not that high. But it6 air yards per pass attempt, which is not that high, but it's 15 yards per pass attempt to wide receivers, tied for the highest in the NFL. Just drives me crazy with Calvin Ridley.

But Ridley's been pretty good and he had that long touchdown call back on a legal procedure penalty. So you guys are starting Calvin Ridley. Yeah, Ridley or let's see, how about Ridley or Pollard? Ridley and PPR, Pollard or none? Sounds good. Anything else in this game? No Dalton Schultz, right?

If you're desperate for a flex, Nick Westbrook or Keena has scored in a bunch of games in a row. So I think the thing with both the Titans receivers and it played itself out last week because it feels like could be some similar garbage time is gonna matter. You know the Texans give up a lot of production to wide receivers. You saw last week CD Lambs on a different level than any of these guys but was was great. But even the the turpent play you know you look at what Scoonmaker did with 10 targets you know so there's gonna be some options here opportunities here for the Terp and play. You know, you look at what Skoonmaker did with 10 targets,

you know, so there's going to be some options here, opportunities here for these these guys here. And he's nailed it. You know, Westbrook, Keeney's got five touchdowns in his last six games. Two of those games, I believe one was with Levis, one was without

with six targets, you know, so hopefully he sees a few more opportunities. The Denver Broncos are at Las Vegas. Here's a repeat stat of the game. Will it hold up? I'm going to take the under, but running back has scored 15.5 or more PPR fantasy points

in all but one game against the Rangers. Oh, just go to the number 13.3. 13.3 or more in every game? Yep. All right. Are we going to get that from Gervonta? Yes. Heath?

I have him projected for probably 12. Okay. I don't know how anybody could feel great about trusting him. Like you don't know who the lead running back is going to be. You don't. You don't. There are six teams on a buy though and we have some awful, awful, awful matchups for some guys.

You're going to start Givante over Pollard. I know you're not, but I think that's, I think that's wild, Jamie. All right. Double or nothing on lunch. You got a dessert. I'll buy you dessert if, uh, okay. Pollard versus Javante. All right. Yeah. Raiders are such a bad run defense. So I've got some tough Bo Nicks decisions. You guys want to help me out. I think I know what I'm going to do. I got Bo Nicks versus Baker Mayfield

and I got Bo Nicks versus Brock Purdy. Both of them are six point per passing touchdown leagues. What would you do? Bo Nicks. I would sit Bo Nicks. Sit, Oh, Jamie would start them and Heath would sit them. That's great. And guess what I'm going to do?

I'm going to start them over Mayfield. I'm going to sit them for Purdy. Okay. I'm going to sit them. I'm going to do the opposite. So. start them over Mayfield. I'm going to sit them for Purdy. I'm going to sit opposite. So I do like Baker more than Purdy. Yeah. Baker. I want to see if Tristan worse place because the giants looks like they're getting tibet back.

Brian Burr playing hurt. Like they might have the best pass Russian football. They have had the best pass. No, they did. They had the best pass Russian football for awhile. It's. They had the best pass in Russian football for a while. It's been struggling a little bit lately, but now they're healthier. And if they're missing their left tackle, I don't know. I just look, I love Mayfield, but I also love Bonyx.

I love Bonyx. I would. And I'm like, I'm not, I'm sure it was, but I would like to know the sample size and the statistic. It was, they had the, they had the best. The Giants had the best pass and the statistic. It was, they had them, they had the best, the giants had the best pass pressure in football. They right now have one of the highest pressure rates in football and they led the NFL in sacks for a while.

This is not like me. No, I was just wondering the sample size for a while. It's like, oh, this is the one thing that, that, that Joe Shane hit on this off season was, you know, the, the burns trade, you know, and, and getting these guys going with what the defense. A little off subject here, but they have the fifth highest pressure rate and the second most sacks in the NFL. And they've gotten a little worse lately.

But anyway, um, it was price young. They couldn't stop. Yeah. They struggled. They've been, they've been hurt. Anyway, uh, Bo Nicks, we like him a lot. You can start him Raiders eighth most fantasy points, quarterbacks. All right. Javante Williams, we just talked about, he's a tough one, but if he, ifix, we like him a lot. You can start him Raiders eighth most fantasy points quarterbacks. All right, Javante Williams, we just talked about.

He's a tough one. But if he if he knew he were gonna be the lead running back, we'd like him. Corlyn. That's a good flex. Look, it's a gamble. I like that he had three catches last week. So they involved him in the passing game. So if you are stuck, you know, this is why I think dropping him was a mistake.

So it's gonna be so awesome when Julian McLaughlin is Corlyn. Sutton's a must start. Who's a better flyer, Devon Vailay or Nick Westbrook-Ekene? I think Westbrook-Ekene just for the upside, but Vailay's not a bad pivot play. I wish we could trust Adam Troutman. Raiders go up the most fantasy points at tight ends, but we can't. Can't trust Gardner Minchou. All right.

So how about... Who was the team that Troutman beat up on tight end day? Oh, gosh, I don't even remember. Was it the Raiders? No, they played the Raiders in week five or six or so. I got it. So, Jamie, give me your thoughts on the Raiders running backs. Madison plays he is a flex with the opportunity to get all of the touches if Samir White is out and he will be a factor in the passing game. If White plays and Madison, that's Madison with or without White, he's a flex.

If White plays and Madison is out, White is a flex option in non-PPR, a running back to avoid in PPR, and Abdullah is a high end flex in PPR and someone to avoid in non-PPR because Abdullah will get all the work in the passing game. If both guys are out, Madison and White, Abdullah is a borderline number two running back in PPR and a low end flex option in non non PPR. His best game this season did come against Denver in the first matchup. He scored a touchdown in that game. He just caught a touchdown against Denver, excuse me, against Miami last week, but only on three catches for 16 yards. But I would assume just based on how much work Madison has gotten the passing

game that we could be looking at a five catch game for Amir Abdullah and probably 10 carries, I would think. So 15 total touches is on the table for him. It's a brutal matchup, but given six teams on a buy, like for me, he would be in the mix with Chuba Hubbard and Deandre Swift and Tony Pollard. Behind those guys, because it's a risk, but he'd be right there with them. The Broncos give up the sixth most receiving yards

per game to running backs. So that's where you want Abdullah to thrive. Well, I did this yesterday, and I don't remember the exact number, but I think it's like seven running backs. So that's where you want Abdullah to thrive. Well, I did this, I did this yesterday and I don't remember the exact number, but I think it's like seven running backs have gotten 6.8 PPR points against Denver with just their receiving totals alone. Okay. And, uh, by the way, first half snap count last week, cause Zameer White left like very early in the third quarter. First half snap count, Zemir White 16 snaps, Alexander Madison nine. Just for the record, we'll see what happens.

All right, and then the last guy, start Brock Bowers. The last guy to talk about is Jacoby Myers. Heath, you have him just a little bit higher than Jamie, I think. You guys both have him around 24th. Let me double check on that. Yeah, he's a low end number two wide receiver or a high end number three.

I think he scored 13 fantasy points against the Broncos last time. He's not going to get trailed all over the field. I don't have even a three wide receiver leagues. It must start. So I totally agree. Um, the, the thing that you look at is he doesn't score touchdowns. So that's a problem. And if he does see certain or does not you know have a big catch or two

You're talking about probably eight or nine PPR points like what we saw last week, you know So it's not like he's getting consistent 10 plus targets Against a team like this that would matter but I mean just look at the track record. We've had One significant number one receiver do well against this team and it was they flowers. For the most part, they've shut down every other number one guy. What about him? I mean, he's the he had a good game. You know, 13.2 is great. Yeah. Again, in a matchup, you know, and look, the guys that have struggled, you know, Drake London at nine PPR points is not like that's terrible. But it's just not what you're used to

from those caliber of players. So if he's if he's going to have a good game I think we're talking 13 PPR points gonna have a bad game. We're probably talking eight or nine Man Drake London was gonna make me look pretty bad last week Cuz I think he got all of his production in the first half It's not almost all right like he was having a pretty good game And then they they took cousins out at the end and they he had three for 61 on seven targets And I was it all in the first half? I think so. Yeah. I was, I was getting the takes ready because I said he'd be wide receiver 29. I was like, he's going to be horrible.

You were too high on him. That was too high. That was too high. Okay. Thanks. Thanks everybody for watching and listening. Oh, by the way, Denver DST, you could start that. And we will talk to you tonight on the mail bag, baby. Tonight, late night, FFT after dark. For those of you watching youtube.com slash fantasy football today, for those of you listening, we'll talk to you tomorrow morning. Have a good one.