Fantasy Football Today - Start or Sit (AFC): Juju, Mixon, Singletary and More (10/15 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: October 15, 2020

We react to Melvin Gordon's arrest and tell you what to expect from Denver (2:30) and then get into the players we love (4:00) and the players to avoid (8:00) in Week 6! Alexander Mattison is going ...to be awesome if the Vikings-Falcons game is played. And don't avoid James Robinson after last week's dud ... Sixty Second Rankings Disputes (15:00) on Joe Mixon, Robert Woods and Juju Smith-Schuster! Then we have a big batch of news and notes (21:00), Jamey summons the Fantasy Cops (28:50) to settle a CBS league dispute and we dust off the Startometer (33:00) for players in the Jets-Dolphins, Texans-Titans and Chiefs-Bills games ... Start or Sit for Bengals-Colts (35:00), Browns-Steelers (45:30), Broncos-Patriots (52:32), Lions-Jaguars (57:18), Chiefs-Bills (1:02:00), Texans-Titans (1:06:25) and Jets-Dolphins (1:10:04) ... Email us at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com Listen to the brand new Fantasy Football Today in 5 podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-in-5/id1528634304 'Fantasy Football Today' is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Google Podcasts, Castbox, and wherever else you listen to podcasts. Follow the new FFT Twitch channel: https://www.twitch.tv/FFToday Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @BenSchragg Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCviK78rIWXhZdFzJ1Woi7Fg/videos Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is Fantasy Football Today from CBS Sports. On his way to the end zone. I'll tell you what I've done with this spectacular play. It's time to dominate your fantasy league. What a play! Off to the races! Touchdown! Oh, he's done it again! Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, Heath, and Ben. Hey, Thursday night with no football. That's pretty weird.
Starting point is 00:00:24 We're still going to talk about the games. AFC home game, seven of them to talk about today. Welcome to the show. This is Fantasy Football Today. We should be getting ready for Chiefs Bills. Oh, well, we will wait till Monday. No big deal. This episode is sponsored by Express.
Starting point is 00:00:37 Express is all new and all about you with a fresh assortment of casual, versatile, and super comfortable styles. Find out more about Express and their exclusive offer later in the show. What's up, guys? What are you going to do this Thursday evening? Free schedule. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. You know, usually we get to the end of the year and the Thursday games, you know, go away. And it's like, oh, okay. We get a night free of football, but we got a bonus this week. We had a Tuesday game. So, you know, things are
Starting point is 00:01:09 sort of calendar balancing a little bit. Um, yeah, it's going to be interesting. I'm going to actually go watch my kid play baseball. I think I would be okay. If the TNF was a Tuesday night football instead of a Thursday night football. Me too. I think that players wouldn't have a short of week. You could have just Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, and then we'd have four days. Yeah, I think I'd be okay with that. I think that's a pretty good call, and I really liked it being at 7 o'clock.
Starting point is 00:01:37 Yes. Yeah, I don't know how the West Coast people felt about that. I think the Chiefs-Bills game is at 6 p.m. next week, which is fantastic. Yeah, well, if you recall, the Broncos-Patriots game that was postponed, that was originally scheduled, well, the second schedule when it was going to be played on Monday was going to be 5 o'clock.
Starting point is 00:01:56 Yeah, this one's 5 p.m. too. 5 o'clock, yeah, 5 o'clock. I could be stealing my thunder there. Kansas City at Buffalo, 5 o'clock. That's great. All right, fun Monday. My birthday too. I get two gamesclock. That's great. All right. Fun Monday. My birthday, too. I get two games on my birthday. Really?
Starting point is 00:02:07 Yeah. All right. Well, I hope you all enjoy a Thursday evening without football. I guess there's probably baseball on, right? Let's get to the big news. The big news, Melvin Gordon was arrested for DUI. They're at New England this week. Phillip Lindsay is going to play.
Starting point is 00:02:23 It looks like Cam Newton's going to play in that game as well. But yeah, guys, we don't know if Melvin Gordon's going to play. And luckily, you know, we don't have to make any lineup decisions tonight. But Jamie, what's your read on this unfortunate situation? Yeah, unfortunate that he made this mistake. I think you look at Vic Fangio. You know, he's the one that's holding the cards right now, him and John Elway, because the league is not going to do anything to suspend him for this week.
Starting point is 00:02:50 I think they have to wait till the court process, you know, plays itself out. So, you know, the fact that Fangio sent him home, you know, you wonder if that's A, to punish him or B, to avoid the media and having to deal with all of this and the distraction of it. So it could be maybe both. I'm going to guess he plays, but he's probably not going to be the starter. And I would be looking to make other plans for your backfield. I didn't like Melvin Gordon as a play this week in terms of where he usually is because of Lindsay being back and because of traveling to Foxborough as a nine point underdog. It's the same argument I had for last week when he was going to play in this game.
Starting point is 00:03:25 So I would, I would be perfectly okay if you were had, if you had other options to bench Melvin Gordon. Okay. I guess we'll get into some of those other options, but like, like a Preston Williams, if you're talking about some flex plays,
Starting point is 00:03:39 I mean, that becomes a little bit more of a tricky conversation, but I'd probably play Melvin Gordon over Preston Williams. If he plays, unless we find out that he's going to be the backup right if they say philip lindsey starting then you've got to go with other options okay all right we can talk about a bunch of players so let's get into players we love heath i'll let you kick it off who are a player or players you love man i could just be so cheap and say alexander madison good night oh yeah he's the
Starting point is 00:04:03 start of the week so Is he? Yeah. Well, great. You can love Alexander Madison then. You know what? I'm going to go with a bounce-back candidate. I don't know if anybody is worried at all about what happened last week, but I really, really love James Robinson. He is inside by top
Starting point is 00:04:19 five, and I expect a monster performance against a bad Lions defense. This is going to be a high scoring game. The fumble, I don't really care about that. It was one inefficient game. And Jamie had kind of mentioned it. You know, the Texans were probably a little bit fired up
Starting point is 00:04:34 because they didn't have Bill O'Brien coaching them anymore. So Lions, unfortunately, still have Matt Patricia as their head coach. They're not going to be fired up. And I think Robinson will have a very good game. Well, kiss of death right here. But it's hard to find someone in this game that you don't like detroit versus jacksonville um like detroit in three of their four games they've allowed multiple wide receivers to have either 74 yards or a touchdown so i i mean i thought you might go with lavisca chenault as a player you love this week. I do.
Starting point is 00:05:05 Yeah. I mean, I'm excited to start him. If there's one guy in this game, maybe I don't love, it would be Marvin Jones, just because I'm not sure that he still exists. I was going to like, I looked at, I looked at the setup for Marvin Jones going into his four touchdown game last year. That was in week six. This is week six. He had played five games at that
Starting point is 00:05:26 point. He had one great game. He had a 101-yard game with a touchdown. He had a decent game with 77 yards on five targets. The other three games, he had 56, 43, and 17 yards. I think he was coming off a 17-yard performance, and then he blew up with four touchdowns.
Starting point is 00:05:42 This could definitely be that. That was Xavier Rose, right? In Minnesota? Wasn't that... Yes. Well, to be clear, Marvin Jones, 56 would be his season high in receiving yards in
Starting point is 00:05:56 2020. And in the two games since Kenny Galladay's been back, he has five total targets. Yeah, I know. I know. Hawkinson has a great matchup. This looks like, yeah, Bonanza. Bonanza, Detroit, Jacksonville. Wow.
Starting point is 00:06:12 Yeah. Why not? These are really bad defenses. Down DJ Chark. We saw one game for the Jaguars passing game without DJ Chark. It wasn't pretty. It was Thursday night. So hopefully that's not going to be repeated.
Starting point is 00:06:25 Yeah, he did not practice on Wednesday, so not looking great for DJ Chark right now. Okay, well, man, am I getting a cold feet? No, I'm going to stick with it. I'm going to stick with it, Bonanza. This was the game I was going to stack both sides of, and now I've got cold feet because you told me, Bonanza. Okay, Jamie, Alexander, Madison started the week.
Starting point is 00:06:43 Anyone else you really love this week? Yeah, I mean, it ties into something you've been talking about a lot, you know, is out for the Panthers for the rest of the season. So David Montgomery, let's go. I mean, you know, you're talking about a guy who's been picking up his performance in the passing game with the 14 targets, but the rushing numbers have not been there. 10 carries each of the last two weeks. He's not been running the ball well, but here we go. Let's get a big game from David Montgomery. So it's funny. I have him higher in PPR than non-PPR for the first time in his two years in the NFL,
Starting point is 00:07:12 and that's only because I have him in non-PPR. I have Raheem Mostert one spot ahead of him, and I'll probably flip that and put him ahead of Mostert. So I just think it's going to be a huge game for David Montgomery. So he's in my top 12. Okay. The Kwon short is who Jamie is referencing. That's the defensive tackle I had been touting for the Panthers.
Starting point is 00:07:29 Got hurt last week. Do you know when he got hurt? Yeah, I think around halftime. They struggled even with him in the game, but I'm pretty sure he missed the entire second half. Todd Gurley had a huge game. But their run defense has been horrible without Kwon Short, and he's a great player.
Starting point is 00:07:43 So it makes sense. And apparently, Gross Matos, so it makes sense. And apparently, Gross Matos, Brian Burns is out. Gross Matos got hurt, too. So, Panthers' defense up front is a mess. Who are we avoiding this week? Heath, you can start. I can?
Starting point is 00:08:01 Yeah, or you can't. Whatever you'd like. Thank you. I am a little bit concerned about Mecole Hardman. I've seen some people that seem to be kind of excited about starting him in the first game without Sammy, and he doesn't quite play the same role. He's more of a Tyree kill fill-in. And such a high percentage of this team's targets
Starting point is 00:08:23 go to Kelsey Hill and now Clyde Edwards Hilaire. I think he's a fine boom or bust flex and he does have the potential in just one play to make me look silly for not starting him. But I really don't know that you can count on more than four to five targets. And that's, that's not generally very reliable in fantasy. You know, you're right. And I'm probably more excited about him clearly than you are. But I'm as a number three receiver.
Starting point is 00:08:54 I don't think he's a must start play by any stretch. The one thing that I go back to is the first game that Sammy walk is remember he left and had a concussion and then he wasn't expected to play. I think it was a Monday night game. I'm not mistaken. Yeah. Um, the Baltimore game, right? The, the Baltimore game. Yeah. You're right. Yeah. That was a season high in targets for Hardman. And I wonder if that entire week they were working him up into that role of not necessarily Sammy Watkins type of routes, but playing more and on the field more. And then that was when the, you know, for him, a spike in targets was six.
Starting point is 00:09:29 Right. And I think that game is a good illustration of this week. Like he had four for 81 in the touchdown. It was a great week. He got a 49 yard touchdown. Right. Right. And, and he had the touchdown the following week with four targets. And you just wonder if he's not going to be eight targets. He's not going to do what Sammy Watkins is doing. But can he get to six?
Starting point is 00:09:50 And I think if you tell me right now he's getting six targets, I'm sure you probably would agree. If you say he's getting six targets, you tell me any receivers get six targets from the homes, I'm probably going to buy in. So even if it's Byron Pringle, I'll buy into him in some capacity. So will it be Demarcus Robinson? Sure. Will it be Pringle? Sure. Will it be just more targets going to Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelsey?
Starting point is 00:10:09 We all would love that. But I think for Hardman, if you're stuck at receiver and he's still available, he's not a bad guy to go pick him and play. And Adam, to go back to your earlier question, I would play Mikko Hardman over Melvin Gordon in PPR. Okay. Hardman is 58% rostered. And the Bills, Levi Wallace is on IR.
Starting point is 00:10:28 Tredavious White missed last week's game. Their secondary hasn't played that well anyway. And, you know, he's just efficient. Weeks two through five last season, when Tyreek Hill was out, he was on pace for 984 yards and eight touchdowns on only 88 targets. That was his 16-game pace. So, yeah, I mean, he's right. The targets, don't expect a ton of them, but obviously we all think
Starting point is 00:10:52 he's got big play potential. Could do a lot with it. How about this stat, by the way, from ESPN about Sammy Watkins. Last year, they gained almost two yards more per carry when Sammy Watkins. Last year, they gained almost two yards more per carry when Sammy Watkins
Starting point is 00:11:07 was in the game, and their QBR was 81 with him and 67 without him. Really interesting. They're just better with Sammy Watkins. That's what Adam Teicher was saying on ESPN. Okay, Heath said maybe avoiding Mikko Hardman. Jamie,
Starting point is 00:11:23 you say avoid who or whom? If you can, DJ Moore. I know that's hard to do because of where you drafted him and what the expectation is, but I mean, you see what the targets have been, and even last week, he had a great game, but it wasn't with a lot of targets. And so obviously, Robbie Anderson has taken over as the number one wide receiver.
Starting point is 00:11:40 You know what Mike Davis is going to be catching the ball in the backfield. Can he be a must-start play in a tough matchup against a good Chicago defense when he's not getting eight-plus targets? I mean, he's basically been living around the six-target number for the last three weeks after getting 22 targets in the first two games. So it's just been frustrating. And, you know, hopefully he'll break a long play,
Starting point is 00:11:59 but that was his first touchdown. We know touchdowns are hard to come by for him. And so the Bears have allowed one receiver to score a touchdown on the season. So he's the number three receiver. And, you know, go back to Mikko Hardman. I would struggle to make that decision between those two guys. So Mike Evans broke the streak, scored the touchdown last week against the Bears. All right.
Starting point is 00:12:19 So we'll get into the games. We have 60-second ranking disputes. I would say the worst round of 60-second ranking disputes ever. Didn't find a lot of good ones in the rankings. We're going to struggle in the bye weeks to differ on a lot of running backs because there just are not a lot of guys. So there may be, hey, you like this
Starting point is 00:12:38 guy five spots more, but I'm still going to start him. Right. I think there's a lot of that. And I have some wide receivers. Juju's a good one. Get to that in a moment we also have the fantasy cops coming on to regulate something that jamie is uh is upset about uh but i i'm not upset about it at all okay i have people in in a league that we're all in upset about it and they're waiting for the answer from okay uh starsky and hutch over here adam azar and uh heath cummings, I went on a little online shopping spree last night, and it was on Express, express.com.
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Starting point is 00:15:12 Joe Mixon. Jamie's got him 16th in PPR. Heath has him 10th. Skip it. I just want to say about Joe Mixon because I've always been down on Joe Mixon. I'm really irritated that when I come around to him
Starting point is 00:15:22 being a top 12 back, everybody else jumps off. But 14 targets in his past two games, that is the most targets he's ever had in a two-game stretch. What Jamie said about David Montgomery ranking him higher in PPR for the first time ever, this was the first time ever I ranked Joe Mixon higher in PPR as well. I think it's a good setup for him if Darius Leonard is out.
Starting point is 00:15:42 You know, it's just there's in that, you know, the top maybe 20, certainly 18 running backs. It's a pretty good group this week, especially when you factor in James Robinson still doing what he's doing, Mike Davis doing what he's doing, all those guys. Hopefully, he's still
Starting point is 00:15:57 Ronald Jones. And Antonio Gibson, I think, has a good opportunity this week against the Giants if he's healthy with Brandon Scherfbeck. So there's a good, solid number two group of running backs. And so I like Mixon. This isn't a I don't like Mixon thing. It's just like there's a few other guys I like a little bit better than him.
Starting point is 00:16:16 Like I would start Myles Gaskin over Mixon in PPR, and that probably sounds weird. The Jets, Myles Gaskin's facing the Jets. Only one team's given up more rushing touchdowns than the Jets to running backs. I believe that is the Panthers. So, you know, there's that matchup. Keep Jordan Howard on the inactive list. We like him.
Starting point is 00:16:33 Yeah, I mean, just to point out, it's not a great matchup on paper for Joe Mixon, but you guys, just the workload you like, and the fact that they've only played one game without Darius Leonard. They did pretty well against Kareem Hunt, even though he caught a touchdown, but he still scored a lot of points. All right, so Mixon's a start.
Starting point is 00:16:48 16th for Jamie, 10th for Heath in PPR, 16th for Jamie, 14th for Heath in non-PPR. How about Robert Woods? Robert Woods is a top 12 wide receiver for Jamie, technically 13th in PPR, also for Dave. Heath, you got him top 24, sitting
Starting point is 00:17:03 Robert Woods, but you got him 23rd in PPR 22nd and non PPR and weird that he's not much higher in PPR. He's just not catching or getting a lot of targets at San Francisco Sunday night. He's so just, just a little bit lower on Robert Woods. Yeah. And I don't like,
Starting point is 00:17:18 I don't really like it. I've, I feel like I've kind of been the Robert Wood guy at many times, but you look at his targets over the last month, 5, 6, 7, 5, and that's fine for a number two receiver. It's difficult to be an elite number one. I think this matchup against San Francisco is good with the way their defense is playing right now,
Starting point is 00:17:38 but I would expect in a division game, after what just happened to them against the Dolphins, the defense is going to be better than it was against the Dolphins. So I'm probably starting Woods. I'm just not excited about doing it. I think you're right that the defense will be better. They just don't have the bodies to get the defense better right now. That's a very banged up defense, banged up secondary. The strength of this team is still defending the run. So I think they'll be able to slow down the Rams running game. And I do think that this could be a game where the Rams have to throw.
Starting point is 00:18:13 So I'm going to guess that Woods and Cup are still going to get as many targets as they could handle to where they've been, you know, and that hasn't been very high, but, you know, add on one or two more to each guy. And so I think the setup is better for their passing game than their running. All right. Juju Smith-Schuster, 16th for Jamie, 28th for Heath in non-PPR and right about the same for in PPR. Jamie of faith in Juju this week. Heath, you got him as a number three receiver. Jamie, kick it off against the Cleveland Browns who allowed the third most fantasy points to receivers.
Starting point is 00:18:40 I had him close to 24 before Ben Roethlisberger spoke yesterday and was praising Juju for being such a good teammate and celebrating Chase Claypool and the performance that he had. And then the squeaky wheel just started to turn and turn and turn. And you know a big game is coming for Juju. He's due. The matchup is fantastic. Two of three games with Ben Roethlisberger against the Browns. Two of his last three games against the Browns with Roethlisberger.
Starting point is 00:19:06 Monster performances. You mentioned the secondaries banged up. They just put Greedy Williams on IR. This is going to be a big game for Ben, a big game for Juju, and I feel like I actually have him too low. Did you like my squeaky wheel? It was excellent.
Starting point is 00:19:17 Okay, because people have pointed out, I use that for crickets, but people are like, that should be your squeaky wheel. So thank you, people. Heath, not feeling it. 28th, 29th for Juju. Can you just rewind what I said about Robert Woods?
Starting point is 00:19:29 It's five or six targets every week. And I thought, I read the Ben Roethlisberger quote much differently than Jamie did. And Jamie's interpretation of the quote could be correct. My interpretation was, man, he is still salty at AB. Like I thought he was just taking a shot at Antonio Brown because he was never happy for anyone when they had success. Um, and it could have been either.
Starting point is 00:19:53 It could have been both, but yeah, I, I just, I don't have a good read on why they are not treating Juju Smith Schuster as the number one wide receiver, but he was dominated in targets by Deontay Johnson. The first two weeks, Johnson gets hurt the next two weeks. And like chase Claypool has 50% more targets than Juju the past two weeks. Eric Ebron has more targets. James Washington has more targets. And that was when Johnson went down.
Starting point is 00:20:21 So I don't, I don't know. I mean, logically you absolutely make sense. We had Pete Prisco on with us Wednesday. I don't know if you recall what he said, Heath, in regards to what teams are probably doing against Juju. Right.
Starting point is 00:20:35 That, you know, he's the guy they're trying to take away, especially when you have an unproven second-year receiver in Deontay Johnson and an unproven rookie in Claypool. And now this is, you know, Pete speaking that he speaking that Ben Roethlisberger looks more comfortable. He thought last week was the most free he was playing after coming back from the elbow surgery and maybe being a little bit tentative in how things were going to go. And so I just look, again, matchup.
Starting point is 00:20:59 If they can keep Myles Garrett away from him, away from Ben, I think he can kind of do whatever he wants. And so I wouldn't be surprised if Claypool plays well, if Juju plays well, maybe he runs scores, you know, especially if Deontay Johnson's out, then you get a little bit more,
Starting point is 00:21:11 some concentrated targets for hopefully those three. And then maybe Washington mixed in as well. Okay. I'm pretty satisfied with our 60 second rankings disputes. We have a ton of news and notes, so I'm just going to fire through them here. Cam Newton's likely going to play. These are your quarterback news. Baker
Starting point is 00:21:25 Mayfield is confident he will play through injured ribs at Pittsburgh. I've given the stat. Mayfield scored 18 points and 6 points for passing touchdown leagues. Four straight games. The Steelers have given up I think 21 to 23 fantasy points to every quarterback they face. Something like that. Sam Darnold out this week.
Starting point is 00:21:41 Jimmy Garoppolo practiced in full, so he looks good for Sunday night. Looks like he will play Sunday night. Drew Locke practiced in full, so he will likely play at New England. Kyle Allen was medically cleared to play this week there at the Giants. Running back, Dalvin Cook mispracticed.
Starting point is 00:21:58 Christian McCaffrey mispracticed. We are not expecting them this week. Leonard Fournette and LaShawn McCoy both practiced. Do you think Ronald Jones will get 15 carries against Green Bay? Yes. All right. That would be a good thing. 15 seems like a good number.
Starting point is 00:22:14 Can somebody jump to the front of the news line? Yeah. Oh, what happened? You got a message about it. The Falcons are shutting down their facility after multiple positive COVID tests. Wait, hold on, hold on. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:37 Okay. Not good. So, like I would say... Tuesday night football? I would think we are at the very least not going to see the Falcons and Vikings playing on Sunday. This will probably get pushed back
Starting point is 00:22:49 to a Monday, Tuesday decision. Oh, this is going to be so brutal for Alexander Mattis. Jamie, you got to change. You got to change the start of the week. Well, I don't have to make that decision today.
Starting point is 00:22:59 We'll see. That's true. Well, I hope everybody's OK and we'll adjust to it as we get more details all right uh let's see the jets are going to get michael p ryan more involved he's barely rostered miami scott miami's got some issues with that run defense i don't think anyone's starting a jets running back but we got some i do think we should pause on that for a second because that
Starting point is 00:23:19 was something else pete talked about yesterday jamie and i wanted to follow up but in our current circumstances it's hard for me to say that i want to follow up. Pete was pretty adamant that Michael P. Ryan's going to get more involved. And I thought he made a lot of good common sense arguments and you said, yeah, but Adam Gase, what I kind of expected to be Frank Gore for 15 carries and Michael P. Ryan for five. What do you think? I think that's going to be the case this week because of just the suddenness of when Le'Veon was released. But Pete had been saying for like a couple of weeks that when Le'Veon was out that he was hearing that they were going to start to work in P Ryan more.
Starting point is 00:24:01 And the thing that I go back to with this, and again, you're factoring in, and I can't believe I'm going to say this, probably a smarter organizational move for the Jaguars as opposed to the Jets. But part of the reason why they got rid of Leonard Fournette was because they liked James Robinson. And you see how that's worked out. And so I would like to think that the Jets, I know the bigger reason why they moved on from Le'Veon is more of the relationship with Adam Gase and how that all unfolded. But, you know, from a competitive standpoint, what's the point of running Frank Gore out there for 15 carries at 37 years old? Like, if I'm the GM, I'm saying to Adam Gase, we have to see what we have here.
Starting point is 00:24:37 We have to see if this could be our second running back, maybe our starter. You know, maybe it's a position that we just have to, you know, bring in some guys and try some new things. Because what are you doing running Frank Gore out there except trying to prove that you can still get something out of a 37 year old guy? He's a Hall of Famer. He's done everything in his career to put himself in, as he said at one point this offseason, the Mount Rushmore of running backs. Yep. He's not there, but he certainly has had a great career. And it's it's it's time to focus on youth. So logical thinking, like Heath will tell you what the target's, logical thinking would say that, you know, play the younger guy and see what you have.
Starting point is 00:25:14 But we are talking about the Jets. Yeah. No, I think what Heath meant was nobody has rushed more than Frank Gore. Yeah, but would you drop Josh Kelly for LaMichael P. Ryan? No. No. I would drop, you know, the Carlos Hydes, the Jordan Howards, the guys that were rostered in like 30% of leagues.
Starting point is 00:25:33 Well, that's easy. How about Naeem Hines? Yeah, if I'm not playing Naeem Hines, especially in non-PPR, sure. Okay. All right, wide receiver news. Yes or no, do we expect Devontae Adams? 100%. Oh, yeah. Julio no, do we expect Devontae Adams? 100%. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:46 Julio Jones, if that game happens? No. Chances get better if it's pushed back a few days. Yeah. Chris Godwin and Mike Evans? Yes. Okay. A.J. Green?
Starting point is 00:26:01 Doesn't matter. Yeah, he might not play. He's got a hamstring injury. Deontay Johnson and and juju smith schuster mispractice which is not unusual uh for juju he often misses practice he's gonna play deontay we don't know yet dj charke mispractice brashad perryman could come back this week six percent roster don't think there's a huge rush until mims is practicing as well oh i didn't really see that okay yeah he's in the well he's in the window to return. Right. He's on IR, so they have a three-week window.
Starting point is 00:26:25 Start Flacco? Must start in Joe Flacco leagues. I think I might start Flacco over Wentz in a two-quarterback league. Oh, wow. Interesting. Sterling Shepard missed practice. He's eligible to come off IR. Doesn't look like he will as of now, Sterling Shepard.
Starting point is 00:26:43 Alshon Jeffrey into Sean Jackson. Heath, they might practice. You're going to stick with it. They might play. Moving towards a return, yes. So Wentz versus Baltimore or Flacco at Miami? Fulgham. Keenan Allen should be back after the bye.
Starting point is 00:26:59 Noah Fant was limited in practice. That's the only tight end news I have. In terms of offensive line, Brandon Scherf could return this week for the football team. That'd be big. James Daniels, that's Chicago's starting left guard out for the season. That stinks. Pittsburgh beat up on the line.
Starting point is 00:27:14 David DeCastro and Mike Pouncey both got hurt in week five. We'll keep an eye on them. A lot of defensive news items. The big ones, Stephon Gilmore could play this week. Carlton Davis, who I talk about all the time, Tampa Bay starting cornerback, becoming a really good one. He mispracticed with an abdominal injury
Starting point is 00:27:30 facing Green Bay this week. Tredavious White is going to be questionable. Go ahead. Sorry. I'm really uncertain about the Carlton Davis thing, but I want to go back to the Washington Giants game because if Scherf plays, I've been uncomfortable with that. You guys, I've talked about a lot. I used the lines a lot to determine
Starting point is 00:27:46 like touchdown projections and stuff. And I was really uncomfortable at the beginning of the week when I saw that the Giants were a three and a half point favorite over Washington. I can't understand why that would be. Now it's down to two and a half. Washington should be favored in that game, right?
Starting point is 00:28:02 No, I don't think so. I don't think so either. I think they're better. I mean, the Giants beat them last year to give the football team Chase Young. They will beat them this year to ensure that the football team gets Trevor Lawrence instead of the Giants. That's what they do.
Starting point is 00:28:19 They will win. They will go 2-0 against them. They will go 2-14 this year. You're saying the Jets are getting a win? Yeah, that's going to be tough. Yeah, the Jets will screw it up. The Jets screw everything up. Or they'll get the number one pick and they'll trade it or something.
Starting point is 00:28:32 They'll do something dumb. So we got Stephon Gilmore, Carlton Davis, Tredavious White. All three are going to be up in the air this week. And Houston's already horrible run defense gets worse. Benardric McKinney out for the season. Good news for the Jaguars.
Starting point is 00:28:47 Miles Jack is expected to play, but it doesn't matter because Bonanza. Jamie, what can the fantasy cops help you with today, sir? So this is a tough one because of the circumstances that happened with the game on Tuesday and how it pushed back the waivers being run. So we have a, I'm not going to name names. So we have a league that we're all in together that I am in the commissioner of. And this particular fantasy manager lost Dak Prescott,
Starting point is 00:29:14 did not put in a claim for the quarterback that he wanted until eight o'clock in the morning. Wednesday morning. Wednesday morning? Waivers, huh? Which morning? Wednesday morning. Okay. Thinking at the time that it was just going to,
Starting point is 00:29:33 as typically happens when you have first come, first serve after waivers run, that he was going to get the quarterback that he wanted, which in question was Ryan Fitzpatrick. What happened was, as a result of waivers running, and we had a message on the site, which in question was Ryan Fitzpatrick. What happened was as a result of waivers running, and we had a message on the site, not in the app, we had a message on the site that said, after waivers run, your leagues will be locked from making lineup moves or pickups until 9 a.m. So he had essentially put in a waiver claim that did not run, which was going to run for Wednesday night into Thursday. Well, after 9 a.m., when this lock was lifted, it became first come,
Starting point is 00:30:17 first serve. And somebody else came in and picked up Ryan Fitzpatrick. So his claim is that he made a move to get Ryan Fitzpatrick and sent me the screenshot with the time and thinks that he should get Ryan Fitzpatrick as opposed to the person who got him first come, first served. Can I just, full disclosure, I think I should probably recuse myself from this case. And you two should know why. I'm not in this league, I don't think.
Starting point is 00:30:49 During fantasy baseball season, you two are co-commissioners of a league where Adam goes in and changes players to open up waivers every Monday morning. Right. And I made a waiver claim for a player before Adam did that. Then Adam opened up waivers and someone else claimed them as a free agent. And you guys did not give me that player. Okay, it was a little bit different though.
Starting point is 00:31:17 It's the same exact thing. Yours was a Sunday night waiver claim for a player who was not available on waivers because he had just been dropped on Saturday. But then he became available. He became available. Despite having a claim for him. That is true.
Starting point is 00:31:32 But he was, yeah, that's true. Ryan Fitzpatrick was not available on waivers because nobody was. And then the person who had a claim for him didn't get him. Jamie, I would kick this person out of the league. I don't think he gets him. I'm league. I don't think he gets him. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:31:46 I don't think he gets him. Yeah, I would vote that he gets him, but the legal precedent that I know of involves, and I'm not one to go against precedent, involves him not getting him. Well, here's the thing. Why didn't he put a claimant on Tuesday?
Starting point is 00:32:03 That was my... That's the thing. No, that's it. Game over. You tried to do it Wednesday morning. Why didn't he put a claim in on Tuesday? That was my... That's the thing. No, that's it. Game over. You tried to do it Wednesday morning. It didn't work. You had all day Tuesday to put your waiver claim in. Nobody claimed him.
Starting point is 00:32:11 If you put a claim in on Tuesday, you would have gotten Ryan Fitzpatrick. Game over. So, did I say that he's a Dak Prescott manager? Yes. Yeah. So, he knew he needed a quarterback. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:22 It's over. All right. So, you say he does not get Ryan Fitzpatrick. Of course not. He had all day Tuesday to. Yeah. It's over. All right, so you say he does not get right. Of course not. He had all day Tuesday to get it. Boohoo. Are you kidding? You had your opportunity. You should have put a claim in.
Starting point is 00:32:32 It's a joke. That's how you're ruling, right? That's how I'm ruling it. Okay, good. By the way, Ben Schrager's never seen Red and Stimpy or Pinky in the brain, so let's go fix that, Schrager. Schraggy, congratulations. No.
Starting point is 00:32:51 There's some time you saved. You're wrong, buddy. All right, start-o-meter. Let's get into it. It's way too long. Here we go. Start-o-meter. Let's go quickly here.
Starting point is 00:32:59 Jets, Dolphins, Texans, Titans, Chiefs, Bills. Those are the last three games we're going to get to. Frank Gore. Okay. Four and non... Three and non-PPR. Zero and PPR. Okay.
Starting point is 00:33:18 Ryan Fitzpatrick. Ten. Ryan Fitzpatrick is a six. Ryan Fitzpatrick or Ryan Tannehill? Tannehill. Man, that's a tough one. Tannehill is safer. Fitzpatrick has a higher ceiling.
Starting point is 00:33:36 Okay. Devontae Parker. Ten. Miles Heath. Eight. Miles Gaskin. Ten. Eight. Preston Heath. 8. Miles Gaskin. 10. 8.
Starting point is 00:33:47 Preston Williams. 5. 3. Team name Tuesday, Preston to action. Thank you. How about, obviously, Jamison Crowder is a must start. How about we go to the Houston-Tennessee game? David Johnson.
Starting point is 00:34:01 8. What did I say? I said 8 on Gaskin, so I'll say seven on Johnson. Brandon Cooks. Seven. Five. If Jordan Aikens is out, how would you feel about Darren Fels?
Starting point is 00:34:15 Three. Yeah, it's... Maybe he plops into the end zone. If Corey Davis plays, how would you feel about Corey Davis? Two. Three. Kansas City, Buffalo,
Starting point is 00:34:29 me, Cole Hardman. I mean, we already did that one, but go for it. Six. John Brown, Cole Beasley, if Brown plays? Brown would be six. Beasley without Brown would be a six. Beasley without Brown would be a six.
Starting point is 00:34:45 Beasley with Brown would be a five. Sure. How about Devin Singletary? Zach Moss does not play. Singletary is a seven. Zach Moss does play. Singletary is a six. Yeah, I'd say a five or six.
Starting point is 00:34:59 You're probably starting him. To the games. Here we go. Cincinnati is at Indianapolis. Your stat of the game, Tyler Boyd. He's played five games this year. He's had three really good ones.
Starting point is 00:35:08 He's had two pretty disappointing ones and they were against tough, tough matchups, Chris Harris and the chargers game. And Baltimore is always good against wide receivers. And he had four catches for 42 yards last week. The other three games, Boyd was unstoppable. Basically.
Starting point is 00:35:22 I, you know, is this a tough matchup from what I understand? The, the Colts cornerbacks have been very good this year. Rakisin, TJ Carey, Xavier Rhodes. Boyd obviously plays out of the slot. Are you worried about Tyler Boyd this week against the Colts, who on paper have one of the best defenses in the NFL? Granted, they have not faced a lot of good competition.
Starting point is 00:35:43 I mean, you go back to last week, they did a good job for the most part on Odell Beckham and Jarvis Landry. They gave up a touchdown to Rashard Higgins. Landry had a decent game. Landry had like 80 yards, didn't he? 88 yards. I mean, he wasn't great, but he was serviceable. It was his best game for
Starting point is 00:35:59 him. Yeah, four for 88 on nine targets. Without throwing a touchdown. Boyd is a low-end number two receiver. I think you've got to treat him as a guy him. Yeah. Four for 88 on nine targets. Yeah. Without throwing a touchdown. Um, boy, isn't low in number two receiver. You know, I think you got to treat him as a guy who is going to soak up targets. They're probably going to be throwing a lot. Um, I,
Starting point is 00:36:16 I think he's, he's in the number two range for me. Uh, I don't love him, but I'm not going to sit him. Yeah. The Colts are a good defense, but against wide receivers,
Starting point is 00:36:24 they're one of those matchups that it just doesn't matter to me. Okay. Yeah, the Colts are a good defense, but against wide receivers, they're one of those matchups that just doesn't matter to me. Okay. Let's talk about these defenses. So the Colts, they allow the second fewest points per game. They've faced Jacksonville, Minnesota, the Jets, the Bears, and Cleveland. And they had a pretty bad first half against Cleveland. They got better in the second half.
Starting point is 00:36:42 They gave up a pick six and a safety. So defensively against Cleveland, only gave up 23 points. Meanwhile, the Bengals, I mean, their deal is their run defense is horrible, but their pass defense has actually somehow been good. They allow the sixth fewest yards per attempt.
Starting point is 00:36:54 The fourth lowest passer rating in the NFL, but they're beat up in the second. I don't get it. They're missing now defensive end Sam Hubbard. It's team's run on them. I mean, that's just...
Starting point is 00:37:03 Well, yeah, but also, like you read the Colts' opponents. You should probably read the Bengals' opponents, and that will help you understand why their pass defense has been surprisingly good. Like, where does the combination of Terod Taylor, Baker Mayfield, Carson Wentz, Gardner Minshew, and Lamar Jackson rank in yards per attempt? Pretty, pretty low. Okay.
Starting point is 00:37:23 All right. So hopefully we get some offense in this game joe burrow is a sit he's like 20th um and joe mixon we talked about he's a start he's about 16th for jamie and 14th i think for heath and non-ppr 10th and ppr tyler boyd is a number two receiver t higgins starter sit he's the number three receiver. You know, we saw him, you know,
Starting point is 00:37:49 for a couple of games out target, AJ green. And now green is not there. At least that's the assumption. So, you know, I'm, I'm not,
Starting point is 00:37:56 it's kind of like a low, lower, lower, lesser version of Tyler boy. Like I don't want to have to play T Higgins, but I wouldn't be afraid of it. If AJ green is out. T Higgins is my second favorite wide receiver in this game over hilton over hilton yeah that's fair i i mean look like hilton's it's not a bad matchup for hilton like they're no but
Starting point is 00:38:20 but they just throw they don't throw it all got to hope that they're trailing. That was his best game last week because they were trailing. Most targets, most catches, most yards. Okay. Would you guys start Nicole Hardman or Tee Higgins? Hardman. I would go Higgins. Okay.
Starting point is 00:38:39 Sit Drew Sample, sit Phillip Rivers. And big day for Jonathan Taylor. Good day for Jonathan Taylor. What do we think here? Good day for Jonathan Taylor. No, Geno Atkins is back. So take that into account for the Bengals run defense. But Anthony Costanzo is expected to return also for the Colts.
Starting point is 00:39:00 So it's like strength on strength. You know, you're getting your offensive lineman healthy. And the Bengals are getting one of their best defensive linemen back and one of the better defensive linemen that we've had in the NFL. So I'm not sitting Jonathan Taylor. I just hope it's one of those blow up games. He's been a little frustrating for people because of how the game flow has gone for them when they've been winning.
Starting point is 00:39:19 So I think, you know, you want to have a little bit of a competitive game, but I'm not benching Jonathan Taylor really for anybody outside of Alexander Madison if you're talking about guys you picked up. Mike Davis? Well, I mean, yeah. But yeah, I mean, I just want to say they do have Geno Atkins back,
Starting point is 00:39:37 but they lost DJ Reader, their other defensive tackle, who I believe is the highest paid nose tackle in football, which always happens every year you sign a free free agent for the year he's out. So I think that it's like you, you bring up a good point, Adam, this is the strangest week I can ever remember at running back because there's only like 20 to 22 starters at running back.
Starting point is 00:40:00 So pretty much everyone we're saying, yeah, you're, you're probably starting them at they're getting 15 touches, but also Mike Davis, alexander madison james robinson kareem hunt and david montgomery were all drafted after round four and they're probably ahead of most of these guys we're saying our starts yeah so if you have any of those guys you might be sitting these guys we're saying our starters oh running back is so deep these days.
Starting point is 00:40:26 I think Reader's sixth highest paid defensive tackle annually. I think all of you care about that, so I'll tell you. T.Y. Hilton, we just talked about. Jamie, do you agree? Would you start T. Higgins over T.Y. Hilton? Yeah, it's just you know, there's going to be a game where T.Y. Hilton
Starting point is 00:40:41 has a long touchdown. There's going to be a game where you know, and, and it wouldn't be surprising if this is the week because of all the criticism that has gone in Phillip rivers direction, it's a home game. They're facing a bad team, you know, so this could be,
Starting point is 00:40:54 Hey, let's at least in the first half, come out throwing now that could be bad for Phillip rivers and the Colts. So, uh, I hope that's not the case. Um,
Starting point is 00:41:02 but there's, there's going to be a week where we, we're going to continue to say CY Hilton until he starts to prove us wrong. And I don't know why anybody would feel comfortable starting him. Yeah. Okay. And finally, Trey Burton, or any Colts tight end. Any interest there?
Starting point is 00:41:21 I'm starting Burton in the Dynasty League that we share, Adam, because Darren Waller's on a buy and I don't have any other options. Yeah, we're starting Burton in the dynasty league that we share, Adam, because Darren Waller is on a buy and we're starting options. Yeah. We're starting Burton in that same league. I'm starting Moelle Cox because Hunter Henry's on a buy and I don't have any other options. Molly Cox might not play. So you might want to keep an eye on that.
Starting point is 00:41:36 Then I'll start Jack Doyle. All right. Cincinnati has struggled against tight ends. They've faced good ones. Henry Hooper, Ertz, Andrews. Andrews is the only one who scored,
Starting point is 00:41:45 but Burton has 11 targets in the last two games. You could do worse than Trey Burton. And Indianapolis DST is top three. They lead the NFL in interceptions. Cincinnati had a game where they allowed eight sacks to Philadelphia, seven sacks to Baltimore, so it could be a nice day for the Colts DST. They are the only team that has more interceptions
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Starting point is 00:43:15 NFL Network simulcast subject to change presented by Bud Light Platinum. All right. I need an Acer trade ruling, please. Oh, happy to do it. I've done somecer trade ruling, please. Oh, happy to do it. I've done some sleuthing, some research since I recused myself in the case, and I've
Starting point is 00:43:31 found the roster of the guy we just ruled against. And I'm going to offer him Gardner Minshew for Devante Parker. I mean, I think it's a good trade for you, but it's not an Acer trade. They're not Acer trades anymore.
Starting point is 00:43:47 They're bomber trades. They are definitely bomber trades because he is a bad trade bomber just dropping all over the place. But our audience doesn't know bomber. They know you. I know, but you get to know Andrew Balmer, one of our producers.
Starting point is 00:43:59 I've sent the offer. Can you share with our audience the text you sent me about the three things that pop up in your replies to trades? Did you find it funny? It was hysterical. All right. So when you get a trade offer on CBS,
Starting point is 00:44:18 you can send a reply. You have three options. Accept, I think reject, and reject with comment or something like that? No, it's accept, reject, and counter. Oh, counter, okay. You can put a comment with all of these. Okay. So it's accept, reject, or reject and counter.
Starting point is 00:44:36 Okay, so in the comment box, there's like an auto-fill with your previous comments. So somebody sent me a trade, Jerry Judy and Adrian Peterson for Tyreek Hill in a PPR league. Like terrible. So I was about to reject it. I clicked in the comment box
Starting point is 00:44:58 and the three things that I had recently said that popped up as autofills were one, Acer trade. Two, bleep off, and three, boy, this trade looks terrible now. So I'm kind of a jerk when you offer me trades, apparently. And it was just very funny to see that I said bleep off to someone in the podcast league, apparently. Actually, I don't know if it was that league, but yeah. So anyway, don't offer me bad traits because I'm the only one who's allowed to do that. Me and Bomber. Cleveland's at Pittsburgh. Stat of the game number one, Odell Beckham is tied for second in the NFL with five targets inside the 10-yard line.
Starting point is 00:45:38 That is how many he had all of last season. Things have completely changed. It was all Landry near the end zone. This year, it's Beckham so far. Stat of the game number two. Let's talk about this Pittsburgh run defense. I understand you're starting Kareem Hunt, but holy cow, this run defense is so good. I know you can't just say if they didn't give up a 74-yard touchdown run because they did, but other than that, Miles Sanders had 10 carries for six yards and a touchdown. Saquon Barkley had 15 carries for six yards. David Johnson had 13 carries for
Starting point is 00:46:09 23 yards. Melvin Gordon actually had a decent game. But you guys have no hesitation starting Kareem Hunt? No. I mean, he's so involved in everything they do. And I don't think the opponent really
Starting point is 00:46:26 matters all that much. It does seem that way with Cleveland. This is a very good rushing offense and I know their offensive line is banged up, but still, it's just strength on strength. Obviously, the Steelers are going to try and stop the Browns' running game.
Starting point is 00:46:43 He's going to catch passes. He's just, he's matchup proof. Yeah. And Nick Chubb would have been also. Yeah, stat of the game number two, because I think Jarvis Landry is the most interesting player in this game. Sorry, Heath.
Starting point is 00:46:55 I already gave two. This is number three. This is number three. Okay. Odell Beckham has 11 more targets than Jarvis Landry this season. They have the same number of catches, and Landry is only 15 yards behind Beckham. Wow, that's very interesting. And it doesn't really make any sense. Okay, so we're sitting Baker Mayfield, we're sitting Dearness Johnson. We're starting Kareem Hunt. We'll talk about the wide receivers now.
Starting point is 00:47:26 Because Beckham, you guys seem to have some faith in. You all have him in your top 16 in non-PPR and 21st in PPR. He's been pretty damn inconsistent. He's actually really only had two good games, right? The Steelers have been awful against wide receivers. Fourth most fantasy points. I don't get it. Like, their cornerbacks, you look at their passer ratings aloud, it's not bad. I don't get it. Like their cornerbacks,
Starting point is 00:47:45 you look at their passer ratings aloud, it's not bad, but you read about it, you watch it. They're not playing that well. Their pass rush is the best in football by far. I don't understand. I assume at some point their secondary
Starting point is 00:47:59 is going to start playing better, honestly. But, you know, you guys have faith in Beckham. Do you have faith in Landry? And why do you have faith in Beckham this week? The the weird thing about the steelers like it's the receivers that have done it these are the receivers who have scored 10 fantasy points against them travis fulgham greg ward will fuller randall cobb jerry judy um courtland sutton was just shy of it darius slayton sterling shepherd like it's not like they've faced a bunch of elite receivers either.
Starting point is 00:48:25 No, but it's the number one, essentially, on the opposing team. And that's not Landry. I don't care what the numbers tell you. Beckham is still the number one guy. So Beckham will be the one that has the better chance because he'll have the big play down the field. You know, Landry doesn't look right to me. I mean, he took that shot on the side.
Starting point is 00:48:43 You know, they say it's a rib injury. I thought it was his hip getting blown up again. He crawled off the field. He was able to come back and play well, but he's banged up again. And I just don't want to trust Jarvis Landry until I see a little bit more from him. Okay, Heath, you feel the same way?
Starting point is 00:48:58 Start Beckham, sit Landry? I think they're much closer than that. Beckham's a low end number two, and Landry's a number three for me. I would like it if I had receivers better than Jarvis Landry, but I'm fine with him as a number three. He was awful beginning of the year,
Starting point is 00:49:13 but the targets are starting to creep back up. So how would you guys rank all of the receivers in this game? It's just a difficult question. Juju one, Beckham two, Claypool three, Land landry four and if deontay johnson plays he'll be ahead of he'll be ahead of landry for sure i don't know if i'll put him out of claypool yeah in non-ppr it'd be beckham juju claypool landry for me in ppr it'd probably'd be Beckham, Juju, Claypool, Landry for me. In PPR, it'd probably be Beckham, Landry, Juju,
Starting point is 00:49:48 Claypool. In PPR, you'd start Landry over Juju? Yeah. Okay. And Jamie would not? No. Alright. David Montgomery, would you start David Montgomery over all of these wide receivers this week?
Starting point is 00:50:04 Yes. How about the tight ends here? Hooper, Would you start David Montgomery over all of these wide receivers this week? Yes. Okay. How about the tight ends here? Hooper getting some more targets lately. That's 17 targets in his last two games. And Ebron facing the Browns who have been really bad against tight ends. So who do you like better, Ebron or Hooper? Ebron.
Starting point is 00:50:24 Ebron. Ebron. Ebron's a low-end starter. Hooper, while he has played better of late, he still is facing a team that just shut down Zach Ertz, and you could say that maybe has more to do with Ertz than it does with the Steelers' defense. But they also shut down Evan Ingram in Week 1, and those, I believe, are the two best tight ends that they've faced.
Starting point is 00:50:41 And I know a fan did score against them, but I don't necessarily look at it as Hooper is going to have a big game this week. Okay, so Ben Roethlisberger... I shouldn't say that. Along with Fant, those are the three best tight ends that they faced. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:54 Ben Roethlisberger is top 10, 10th, 8th, and 13th. Heath, you moved him down, or am I wrong? I think he moved down when I put Cam in, possibly. Where did you think I had him? First. No. Oh, yeah, 12th.
Starting point is 00:51:11 Okay, he's down to 13th now. Yeah, Roethlisberger's been different this year. He's not really airing it out. He's on pace for a little over 4,000 yards, but 40 touchdowns, four interceptions. He's been very conservative, but it's working for him. And the Browns have been terrible against the pass. Six most fantasy points allowed a quarterback.
Starting point is 00:51:28 So he's a start. Fitzpatrick or Roethlisberger? Fitzpatrick. Fitzpatrick has a higher ceiling. Ben is safer. Has he already won comeback player of the year? Is that locked up already? No, because I was going to ask you about this guy,
Starting point is 00:51:43 Cam Newton or Ben Roethlisberger? I know Heath has Cam ahead. Cam has a higher ceiling, so I would take Cam as well. But, I mean, if the Steelers win their division. What if the Patriots win their division? Yeah, I guess it's close. I guess I shouldn't say he's locked it up. But I think Ben's put himself in the MVP race.
Starting point is 00:52:03 How do you guys feel about James Conner this week? Must start him. Restart him. Okay. Yeah, Cleveland's defense, run defense, is getting a little worse lately. They haven't been so good the last three games, and I don't know about Larry Oak and Joby.
Starting point is 00:52:18 I know he missed last week's game. So that's a defensive tackle for them, key player. All right, I think that's it. Pittsburgh ZST is top four, 20 sacks in four games. So they're still defensive tackle for them, key player. All right, I think that's it. Pittsburgh ZST is top four, 20 sacks in four games. So they're still putting up fantasy points, even as they are a little bit worse than we thought they'd be. Denver at New England. Stat of the game.
Starting point is 00:52:36 Let's look at wide receivers against Denver. Oh, here, the M.O. on Denver. This is actually an interesting game, because the M.O. on Denver is like, people don't really run on them often. They don't try that much. They throw all over Denver. Whereas the Patriots, I think,
Starting point is 00:52:50 lead the NFL in rush attempts per game. If not, they're right up there. Corey Davis, Deontay Johnson, Chase Claypool, Scott Miller, Jamison Crowder, and Jeff Smith have all had 81 or more yards against the Denver Broncos. Mike Evans and Chris Godwin did not, but they combined for three touchdowns.
Starting point is 00:53:10 So on paper, great matchup for the Patriots wide receivers. What does that mean to you, Jamie? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Because of what you said about how they run the ball. I think this is going to be run, run, and run some more. We saw that in the Miami game when they were heavy favorites at home or favorites at more. We saw that in the Miami game when they were heavy favorites at home or favorites at home.
Starting point is 00:53:27 We saw it in Las Vegas game when they were heavy favorites at home. This is what they're going to do. I don't think they're going to come out and, you know, cam having not practiced as much and played obviously that they're going to all of a sudden play like they played against Seattle. So I would try to avoid Julie Nettleman. I would try to avoid Nikhil Harry. And I really like the setup for Damian Harris.
Starting point is 00:53:51 That's the one that I'm really uncertain about. Because, Adam, you said teams don't run very much against the Broncos. Well, there's basically been one good run against the Broncos this season. James Conner had that long run at the end of the Steelers game, and that got him, but Derek Henry was 31 carries at 3.7 yards per carry. Never broke one. The Buccaneers ran for 3.4 yards per carry. The Jets are the Jets, but I'm just, and then even catching the ball, there's not been a running back top 25 receiving yards against the Broncos yet. Right now it's, it's only four games and they've played a mixed schedule.
Starting point is 00:54:28 So I'm not sure that it matters, but I would really rather not start Patriots running backs. It's also though the first game without Darrell Casey in a matchup against the team that's competent because he did not play against the jets and that's the jets with Frank or I think it's the same thing like the Browns with Kareem Hunt. You do what your strength is. So Cam's going to run. He's going to be a big part of what their rushing attack is.
Starting point is 00:54:52 But I can't look at what Damian Harris did against the Chiefs when it was his first game, and they said, and I know Cam didn't play in that game, so they were trying to be more conservative, and the Chiefs dare you to run, so factor all those things in. But here's your first game, and you did nothing for us as a rookie. Here's 17 carries. And, yes, he broke the long run to get him to 100 yards.
Starting point is 00:55:13 That factors in as well. Did not work in the passing game. And we know what's going to happen at the goal line. Could be Burkhead, could be Cam, could be whatever that. But they're nine-point favorites at home. They should have an opportunity to kill a clock at the end of the game. I'd be surprised if he's not 15-plus carries again if the game goes according to how Vegas thinks it's going to go.
Starting point is 00:55:29 And so I'll bank on those things and use him as a number two running back. Okay, so who's the best running back in this game given the uncertainty with the Broncos? For me, it was Damian Harris before the DUI for Melvin Gordon. So I'm sticking with Damian Harris as well. Okay. I haven't for Melvin Gordon. So I'm sticking with Damian Harris as well. Okay. I haven't lowered Melvin yet, but it will be probably Harris.
Starting point is 00:55:50 I won't have a running back in my top 20 though. If Gordon is out, Lindsay would jump ahead of everyone. Right. Because of what the workload would be tough matchup still, but you can't look at what he should be able to get in that game and catch the ball to backfield and not be happy about what Phillip Lindsay could be like what Melvin Gordon has been without Phillip Lindsay there.
Starting point is 00:56:13 Quick trivia question. Only one running back has scored a rushing touchdown against the Patriots this year. Who was it? Jordan Howard. Yes. Only one running. This is amazing.
Starting point is 00:56:24 Only one running back scored a rushing touchdown in the entire regular season against the Patriots last year. One touchdown. Who was it? Man. Jordan Howard? 16 games.
Starting point is 00:56:36 No. Gus Edwards. It would have been a lot cooler if it was. Yeah. Was it division opponent? It was Gus Edwards. Gus Edwards. Who's the best wide receiver in this game?
Starting point is 00:56:48 Edelman and PPR. And probably Edelman regardless. But if there's no Stephon Gilmore, I'm much more intrigued about Jerry Doody and Tim Patrick. Okay. And you'll start Noah Fant if he plays? Yes. Yeah, and it's tough though because Kosicki was bad 30 yards.
Starting point is 00:57:05 Waller was 30 yards. No, Waller was nine yards. Kelsey was three catches for 70 yards. So it's not a great matchup for Fant, but he's Noah Fant. I'm sure you're going to start him. Patriots DST is top two. Time for the bonanza.
Starting point is 00:57:20 Detroit at Jacksonville. Stat of the game. TJ Hawkinson. He only has one game with more than five targets. But guess what? The Jacksonville Jaguars allow the most yards per catch to tight ends. They have not had one tight end all year get more than five targets, yet three tight ends have scored.
Starting point is 00:57:36 And five tight ends have had 45 or more receiving yards. So you feel good about Hawkinson this week? Sort of. Yes, I feel good about Hawkinson this week. of yes i feel good about hawkins in this week great matthew stafford or gardner minshu stafford but i like both i think i have minshu i've got a ninth and tenth like flip a coin cam or these guys cam cam has a higher ceiling okay how about adrian peterson Any interest here? Jaguars just, well, I guess I should give their run defense a little bit of credit.
Starting point is 00:58:08 It's basically been one bad game, but they stink. Peterson? It's fresh legs. Adrian Peterson against a bad defense. We would all, and Jamie said this before the show, we would all like it if they came out of the bye and just gave the ball to Deandre swift and set him free but thus far this season running the football adrian peterson has been their best running back and it's not been particularly close and matt patricia's fighting
Starting point is 00:58:36 for his job and this is a game they should win and so i expect this is going to be a game kind of like a couple of weeks ago the only game game they have won, where they just force feed Adrian Peterson 15 times. And I think that makes him a low end. It's a bridge situation. You don't really want to start him, but he's better than the guys behind him. Damian Harris over him? I would start Peterson over Harris.
Starting point is 00:59:01 And I get why, but I would still go with Harris. But I totally understand why you would look at Peterson because the body of work for this year is still in his favor. The thing that concerns me about Peterson is, is he going to have quality carries or empty carries? Because he can get you 15 for 75, and that wouldn't shock me at all. And one catch for 10 yards, he's done. I think that was the game you're referencing, Heath,
Starting point is 00:59:25 when he had 85 total yards. So, you know, he could do that and doesn't find the end zone. Carry on could be the guy that punches one in. It could be DeAndre Swift that scores. So I think you've got to factor that into the scenario with Peterson. But this is as good a game script as you will find for him maybe the rest of the season because fresh legs because match up because of you know the implied uh vegas line that they're favored on the road so there there's
Starting point is 00:59:51 a lot to like about peterson this week the the thing that makes you concerned is more so ppr than non-ppr because he'll get the carries unless they just again flip it and make the andre swift the guy so like i'm i'm very surprised like by one ranking conversation we're going to have on fft at noon um eastern is that dave has adrian peterson and non-ppr head of joe mixon uh nobody's going to do that you know i mean it's obviously a projection thing ranking thing for dave but nobody's going to start peterson over mixon because the upside for both is not the same if mixon hits his his ceiling and Peterson hits his ceiling, there's not going to be a comparison.
Starting point is 01:00:28 That's interesting. You can certainly see a scenario where Dave's right on that. I give Dave credit because it's a very logical call. I don't think anybody's going to go to their lineup page and say, I'm benching Joe Mixon for
Starting point is 01:00:43 Adrian Peterson. Okay, wide receivers in this game. Kenny Galladay is a must start. You'll start DJ Chark if he plays. Now, let's say DJ Chark doesn't play. Would you go with, let's say, Keelan Cole or Marvin Jones? Cole. Cole.
Starting point is 01:00:59 Okay, and if DJ Chark does play, would you start LaVisca Chennault? Do you still think he's a start? Number three. Chennault has been fine with DJ Chark. He's played five games. He's given you 13 PPR points or more in three of those. And so, you know, he's just getting better. I'm concerned about Chennault playing at this point.
Starting point is 01:01:19 The fact he didn't practice on Wednesday either. You know, so that's something you got to keep an eye on. If he's out, then you cannot play Minshew. You can't play Minshew if it's conley and and cole okay and james robinson is top 12 in both formats it's just these teams are not good on defense of detroit's run defense in particular is it's just so bad um and then i guess i'll just ask you any interest in tyler eifert i believe he's also hurt so yes um there was a thing from, I think Tom Pelosero said he had a stinger
Starting point is 01:01:49 and they didn't think it was serious. We're not currently ranking him and he didn't practice on Wednesday. If he played, he would be in that low-end touchdown or bust range. Let's talk about these last three games. Probably knock them out pretty quickly. We already start-o-metered them about a half hour ago,
Starting point is 01:02:07 if you want to go back to that. Kansas City at Buffalo. Patrick Mahomes is number one across the board. Josh Allen is top three, I think, across the board. So start them. I mean, you're basically starting all the obvious players, but then Clyde Ebertshuler, any hesitation at all? Zero.
Starting point is 01:02:25 Okay. And that's even if they sign Le any hesitation at all? Zero. Okay. And that's even if they sign Le'Veon Bell before the game. Yeah, I will just point out, the last two weeks, Buffalo's run defense has done a lot better. I know they gave up two touchdowns to Derrick Henry, but he had 19 carries for 57 yards. The week before that,
Starting point is 01:02:38 Josh Jacobs, 15 carries for 48 yards. But we know Clyde Eberziler, very involved in the passing game. Start Tyree Kill and Travis Kelsey, and we've already talked about Mecole Hardman. Demarcus Robinson, any sleeper appeal? Yeah. Deeper league, sure, but you've got to be
Starting point is 01:02:54 desperate, and I think until you see something from him that he's going to be the Sammy Watkins guy. Like he said, it could be Mecole is the Tyreek guy and Robinson is the Watkins guy, but I'm not trusting Demarcus Robinson yet. Robinson, I haven't seen the pricing yet, but I would guess that he's going to be in my Monday doubleheader DFS lineup.
Starting point is 01:03:14 I want to read what the Democrat and Chronicle newspaper wrote about this game, one of the writers about the Bills game against the Titans. One of the writers was acting like the Bills were 0-5 this year. He just was so mad. But he wrote, Buffalo was playing without Tredavious White and Levi Wallace. That left the big matchup of the night between Josh Norman and A.J. Brown. It was a slaughter.
Starting point is 01:03:38 And we may now be seeing why Washington released Norman. He looked terrible. Burned for a touchdown on the second Tennessee play by Brown, who went on to catch seven for 82 yards. Nickel cornerback Teron Johnson was once again a major liability, unable to cover anyone he was confronted with. And cornerback Cam Lewis looked like the inexperienced practice squad player that he is.
Starting point is 01:03:57 The Bills have some major issues to deal with as Patrick Mahomes licks his chops. So, yeah. I don't think he's wrong. No, no. But he just, he's wrong. No, no. But he just, like, they're 4-1. They played in very difficult circumstances. And, like, this guy just was so pissed. He was ripping the defensive line.
Starting point is 01:04:14 Like, not to say he was wrong, but it was a pretty funny article. Well, I mean, after what you've seen from Buffalo and the expectations for these Bills, you should be a little frustrated. I mean, this is a team that... They're 4-1! But, I mean, you saw them go up against a quality opponent and get embarrassed.
Starting point is 01:04:32 Yeah, yeah. It was a bad game for them. It was not a good game for Josh Allen. And it was a really bad game for Devin Singletary. And he might be the most interesting player in this game. So far, the Chiefs have had a bad run defense. I'm optimistic it can get better with Chris Jones and Mike Pinnell both playing.
Starting point is 01:04:48 They've only played two games together. But, you know, single... Okay, let's do some Singletary or... Singletary or Hardman? Singletary. Yeah, yeah. Singletary or Devante Freeman against Washington? I'm close on this. If Zach Moss plays, I will put Freeman ahead of Singletary. Singletary makes Devante Freeman against Washington? I'm close on this.
Starting point is 01:05:05 If Zach Moss plays, I will put Freeman ahead of Singletary. Singletary makes me nervous in this game because you know he doesn't score touchdowns, doesn't get those opportunities. And if this game gets sideways, as we saw for the Chiefs, as we saw for the Bills and Titans, you know, his involvement in the passing game is great,
Starting point is 01:05:21 but they didn't throw the ball to him. Singletary. Singletary. Singletary or Chase Claypool? Assuming Deontay Johnson's out. Again, assuming Zach Moss is out too. Singletary. I would start Adrian Peterson over Singletary and non-PPR. Okay.
Starting point is 01:05:38 Yeah, I might also if Moss plays. And then you got Stefan Diggs, who's a must start. How would you approach Brown and Beasley with Brown playing and with Brown out? Brown's a high-end number three if he plays. Beasley's a high-end number three if he doesn't play. Beasley's a number four if Brown plays. Beasley better in PPR even if Brown's there.
Starting point is 01:05:58 Beasley's better than Brown, you think? No, but... Oh, better than... I'd still put Beasley as a number three receiver if Brown plays. He's been basically producing number three receiver numbers with Brown on the field. Well, actually, he's the number 37 wide receiver per game.
Starting point is 01:06:13 Well, that's because he had a bad week one. In PPR, at least. No, I'm just kidding. Basically, top 36 is number three. He's number 37. Houston at Tennessee. Stat of the game. Running back has scored 13 or more non-PPR points
Starting point is 01:06:26 every game against Tennessee. So... When you are lamenting the way that you spoiled the Jacksonville-Detroit game, this will be the game that you say, man, I should have chose the Texans and Titans for the Bonanza. The only concern I have for Tannehill
Starting point is 01:06:44 is I feel like he could throw 20 times, and that's not an exaggeration. I feel like Derrick Henry could have 30 carries because the Texans' run defense is atrocious. This is what teams do. They just pound the rock. That's the only concern I have here.
Starting point is 01:07:01 What do you think? It's valid, but at what point do we just say Ryan Tannehill is a must-start fantasy quarterback and just ignore the the outliers probably week four against Minnesota when he had uh 10 points that's his second bad game in 14 starts for this team I know yeah yeah it just it doesn't matter it doesn't matter and so yeah there may be a stretch coming where he doesn't, you know, he, he plays efficient and he knows good for the Titans. They win the game and he doesn't have a big fantasy day. And you can look at the two games against the Texans last year.
Starting point is 01:07:34 Now it's different circumstances. They were fighting for the playoffs in those games. And he, uh, he had 28 fancy points in one and 21 and another, there were three weeks span apart, weeks 15 and 17. So could he be on the 21 end? It's his worst game ever as a starting – it's his worst game ever where he's had a good fantasy game. So, like, the number I always use is in 12 of 14 starts for the Titans,
Starting point is 01:07:57 he's hit 21 or more fantasy points. So that's the low one. But, I mean, he's running. He's got A.J. Brown back. It's hard not to like the setup for him against this Texas defense, which is not good. It is not. Look, there are some obvious starts here.
Starting point is 01:08:13 Sean Watson, Will Fuller, Johnnie Smith, A.J. Brown, Derek Henry, Ryan Tannehill is a pretty obvious start at this point. Would you start Ryan Tannehill over Tom Brady? Yeah. Yeah. Even if Brady gets Brady? Yeah. Yeah. Even if Brady gets his guys back. Okay. And did I ask you
Starting point is 01:08:30 Tannehill or Roethlisberger? I know it's very close. Yep, you did. Tannehill. Tannehill. Okay. So then that brings us to David Johnson
Starting point is 01:08:37 and Brandon Cooks. And first of all, who's a better flex, David Johnson or Brandon Cooks? David Johnson. David Johnson. Yeah, I'm surprised you left him out of the must-start, guys. He's getting so much work.
Starting point is 01:08:49 And I know, you know, Romeo Cornell came out on Monday and said they got to get Duke Johnson more involved. How many times have we heard that about Duke Johnson? You know, different coaches, different stops. It just never happens. So maybe he goes from, you know, five total touches to seven. I mean, David Johnson's their guy. Yeah, I'm sorry. I mean, he Johnson's their guy. Yeah, I'm sorry.
Starting point is 01:09:05 I mean, he's definitely a must start. I don't see anybody benching him, but he did not have a good game last week until he broke off a long run late, for whatever that's worth. Yeah, I mean, like Heath said, you have Madison if the game happens. You have Robinson.
Starting point is 01:09:20 You have Mike Davis. You have David Montgomery. Guys that were drafted after him, you're playing over him. But I'm not going to get cute and play Adrian Peterson over David Johnson. I'm not going to play Devontae Freeman over David Johnson. I'm not going to play Damian Harris over David Johnson. He's still ahead of those guys.
Starting point is 01:09:35 Are you going to play any of those guys over Brandon Cooks, Damian Harris, let's say? I would play Harris, Peterson, and Freeman over him in non-PPR, and I would play Freeman over him in both. Yeah, I think so, too. Okay. Daryl Henderson or Brandon Cooks? Cooks. Cooks in PPR, Henderson in none.
Starting point is 01:09:59 And that's it. Start Johnnie Smith. Like I said, he's top four. Jets at Dolphins. Is that a game? Jets have allowed seven rushing touchdowns and running backs. I mentioned that earlier. Only Carolina has allowed more. It's tough to get a grip on this Jets run
Starting point is 01:10:12 defense. Sometimes it's good. Sometimes it's bad, but they give up a lot of points because they're a crappy team. So start Myles Gaskin. Fitzpatrick is top 12. What do you think about Preston Williams this week? That's one I struggle with.
Starting point is 01:10:27 You know how much I liked Preston Williams. And I told you, I think that I was going to jump off a week too early. He was awesome last week, but he has not had more than five targets in a game since week one. Right. He had five targets combined in week three and week four. I think the Dolphins
Starting point is 01:10:48 are probably going to be playing from ahead and not throw it as much as they generally do. I would rather not start Preston Williams. The thing that you got to be encouraged about
Starting point is 01:10:57 is he scored in two of his last three. So, you know, he had the red zone touchdown against the Jaguars and he scored last week against the 49ers. And this is basically we're getting to the year mark of the ACL tear.
Starting point is 01:11:10 And I know the ACL injury is not the same, but that's usually a good, you know, indicator of when a guy is kind of back to who he was. So hopefully this is the start of something good for him. And, you know, I think I said it earlier in the week that I missed it. I don't know if you saw it, Heath, but Chan Gailey told the Palm Beach Post, or at least they're the ones that reported it, that they wanted to get Preston Williams more involved. And so right before the 49ers game, and you see the blow-up performance, not from a target standpoint, but obviously from a production standpoint.
Starting point is 01:11:43 And so I could still see him being successful enough that he's a number three receiver, but I could certainly understand the caution in saying he's a must play. Brandon Cooks or Preston Williams? Cooks. Cooks, okay. Cooks, yeah. How about Preston Williams or Tim Patrick?
Starting point is 01:12:06 Williams. I would go Patrick. MVS or Preston Williams? MVS. Williams, but it's close. Okay. I think that is about it. We are not going to start a Jets running back.
Starting point is 01:12:26 The Jameson Crowder is a stud. I guess my only question is the Dolphins lost the defensive tackle for the year and Kyle Van Nooy might not play starting linebacker for them. Are you off the Dolphins DST if Kyle Van Nooy doesn't play? I can't believe I'm asking that,
Starting point is 01:12:42 but I'm asking it. No, no. We're good then. That's it. That's the end of the show, folks. We will talk to you tomorrow. We will not be recapping a game, but we will be talking about the seven NFC home games.
Starting point is 01:12:55 Looking forward to getting into that with Jamie and Dave. For Heath and Jamie and Ben Schrager, I am Adam Azer. See you later.

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