Fantasy Football Today - Start or Sit (AFC): Lamar and Mahomes, RJ Harvey, Khalil Shakir and More (12/04 Fantasy Football Podcast)
Episode Date: December 4, 2025Players we love (4:15) in Week 14 include Jacoby Brissett and Quinshon Judkins while we'd like to avoid (9:15) Caleb Williams, Woody Marks and Rome Odunze among others. We've also got a lot of news an...d notes (16:50) ... One Question for Each Game (21:50)! Start or Sit Lamar Jackson? Patrick Mahomes? RJ Harvey? Khalil Shakir? Adonai Mitchell? ... Start or Sit for Colts-Jaguars (28:00), Steelers-Ravens (36:30), Texans-Chiefs (46:00), Bengals-Bills (54:05), Broncos-Raiders (1:01:00), Dolphins-Jets (1:07:40) and Titans-Browns (1:14:35) ... Email us at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Shop our store: shop.cbssports.com/fantasy SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179 FOLLOW FFT Dynasty on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1 SUBSCRIBE to FFT DFS on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dfs/id1579415837 To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath.
Are we going to start Lamar Jackson in week 14 against Pittsburgh?
Are we going to start Patrick Mahomes against Houston?
Two of the very best in the business.
and they've got some issues going on right now.
We're going to talk about those two games plus Colts Jaguars.
Huge game in the AFC South, Cincinnati at Buffalo, Denver at Las Vegas,
Miami at the Jets.
Huge game in the AFC East.
Tennessee is at Cleveland.
Those are our games for today.
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Adam Azer here on this Thursday morning with Heath Cummings and Jamie Eisenberg.
Good morning, Heath.
Good morning, Adam Azer.
It's a fantastic week 14.
I want to congratulate the NFL schedule makers.
Last week, it felt like we had four games that were just enormous for the playoff race.
And this week, it's like eight.
It's awesome.
We're going to find out who's in or who has a chance to be in and who's probably dead.
It's going to be fun.
Good morning, Jamie.
Good morning.
How are you, sir?
Yeah, pretty good.
I'm excited for tonight, you know.
a little Thursday night shootout
we're looking forward to
and it's really like congratulations to you guys
we're all still live in the Scott Fish Bowl
so that's awesome and then
like it's the first week of the FFT open
playoffs I assume we're all
fighting for that or have a buy one of the two
and it's the final week of the regular season
I know we all have multiple teams where it's win or in
I think we have one league where all three of us are fighting for, like, three playoff spots, and there's six people involved.
It's really an exciting week.
It is.
And nerve-wracking.
As you feel like you look at your lineup, and I have a few win and I'm in situations and lose and I'm probably out situations.
So it's, man, you've got to make the right decision.
So obviously a lot of it is just going to be up to the fantasy gods, but we're going to do our best to help you make those decisions.
And obviously, Heath, I did not make the playoffs in the FFT open.
and thanks for that.
Oh, I'm sorry.
But you guys did.
Good job.
I had no idea who made it.
Unlike you, I can't see every FFT Open League.
Oh, what a privilege it is for me.
To have to go back and reverse a couple of transactions yesterday
because eliminated teams made them.
All right.
Did you really?
Yeah.
Players that we love, Jamie's got Jacoby Brissette and Michael Wilson
in a tough game against the Rams.
And Brenton Strange against the Colts.
Brissette and Wilson and Brenton Strange.
So you look at the Rams, I know we were kind of alluding to this on a few waiver
wire shows leading up to, you know, where Brissette was basically a must add that, okay,
here come the Rams and the Texans in back-to-back weeks.
When you look at the Rams and their production or I guess the production of quarterbacks
against the Rams, when they've been on the road, four of the last, four of the six
quarterbacks on the road against the Rams, where the Rams are on the road, excuse me, have been
19 and a half fantasy points or more. The only two quarterbacks that did not do that were Cam Ward
and the Ravens backups when they face them in Baltimore. The last two on the road, Mac Jones and
Bryce Young lit them up. And so I think there's an opportunity here for Berset based on volume because
he's been over 40 past attempts, almost every start that he's made, is still going to get you quality
production. He's been 20 fantasy points or more in every start that he's made for Kyler Murray.
There's been seven of them now. In the case of Michael,
Wilson, we're not expecting Marvin Harrison
Jr. at this point. We know what that was in the
two games that Harrison was out with the appendix
injury. 33 targets,
a billion catches. It was just
fun to watch Michael Wilson perform.
And as of Thursday
morning, we're not expecting
again, Harrison's play. So it's also good for Greg Dorch.
And the third player I gave you
was...
Breton Strange against the Colts.
10 or more PPR points or more in all
four of his healthy starts. Great matchup against the Colts.
They're terrible against tight ends. Top five in terms of
most fancy points about the decision.
So I'm hoping that we get a potential shootout here where we get more volume for Trevor
Lawrence and then more volume for his past catchers because only three catches for
strange last week, but he did score the touchdown.
But we also know Parker Washington not expected to play as well.
So I like the setup for all three these guys.
Okay.
And just right now, I guess we're not expecting Marvin Harrison, Jr., but there was some optimism
I thought yesterday about him.
He did not practice.
But if he does play, where would Michael Wilson be in your rankings?
You got to go look at what happened last week.
We can, you know, go back to him as a low-end number three receiver at best.
Yeah, it's incredible.
Just such a huge difference in value.
Okay.
Heath, you've got Jordan Love against the Bears on your love list.
Quinchon Judkins against Tennessee and Jamison Williams tonight.
Oh, man, Jameson, yeah, fired up, but Jordan Love and Quinchon Judkins.
Yeah, I mean, Judkins in the ultimate great situation, yes, the Titans run defense has been a lot better.
But his defense, Judkins, is one of the best in the NFL.
The Titans offense is the worst in the NFL, and the Browns have shown us when they are ahead or even competitive, all they want to do is run, run, run the football.
I think they'll have the opportunity to do that.
They're three and a half point favorites.
The Cleveland Browns are three and a half point favorites.
Quinn Sean Judkins might have 25 rush attempts in this game.
You can see he's a top 18 running back for all of us.
It might be kind of a plodder type of game where he doesn't have a great rushing average.
average, but they stick with it long enough, and he's talented enough that if he gets a high
volume, he's going to break one or two and have a good day. Start Quinn Sean Judkins.
I think Jordan Love is a combination of a couple of things. One, there's a lot of really good
quarterbacks that make us really uncomfortable this week. You started it with the top of the show.
Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, are probably the two most obvious Caleb Williams, who I'll talk
about in a minute, Justin Herbert, who has a broken hand. Love has been 19 fantasy points per game
this season. I think he's been playing
really well. It's just whether the past
volumes there, we saw last week a very
good game in a one score
game in the division that they had to go
throw a little bit more to win.
I think that Bears, linebackers, are getting
a little bit healthier this week, so their run
defense will be better than it has been.
That's been really dependent. It's T.J. Edwards,
right? Yes, he was limited.
Very dependent on
T.J. Edwards. I think there's some optimism
there. I'd be a little less excited about
love if Edwards is out. But if Edwards is
in when he's played they've actually been above average in terms of stopping the run so i think this
i think that we get enough points in this game where love throws enough and is better than my home
is better than lamar jackson yeah the edward's injury for the bears right he's been sort of the key
to their run defense at least whether it's coincidence or not however they do have other linebacker
injuries now so it may not be enough to just get him back uh if you want to cross your fingers for
those bears running backs uh i'm sorry the pack for for jaco's not that it's going to make
a huge difference. But okay, players to avoid
Caleb Williams in that same game
at Green Bay. By the way, I'm looking at at weather.com.
It looks like it might be like
in the single digits in that game.
Oh, see, I looked at Kevin Roth's
Twitter this morning and he's not,
we're still waiting for his weather report
for this week. Yeah, it's just cold.
Adamazer's the second best. I mean, we don't have
Weatherman Dave. We don't have Kevin Roth.
So we'll take, we'll take Atomazer
giving us the weather. That is a little
Generally speaking, cold weather brings down over-unders.
I don't think cold weather is necessarily worse for passing.
So that might cause maybe I should move him down to nine or ten where Dave and Jamie have him,
but still going to be a top 12 quarterback for me.
That's love.
I was talking about it in the context of Caleb Williams, too, because you have him as an avoid.
Caleb Williams at Green Bay, Woody Marks at Kansas City and David Montgomery tonight.
Yeah, I just, Caleb, you mentioned it on yesterday's show,
most off-target throws, I believe it was in the NFL are the highest percentage of off-target throws.
The Packers' defense is obviously very good, and the Bears have completely committed to the run and been good at it.
So I just, I would really like to get away from Caleb Williams if I can.
He's more of a QB2 than a QB1.
Woody Marks, the volume is awesome.
The efficiency is disgusting.
Now he's facing the chiefs at Arrowhead.
Running back's kind of the one position.
where it's not terrible, so don't want to start him if I don't have to,
and Montgomery's really seen his participation in the offense,
at least in terms of getting touches that score fantasy points,
fall off since Dan Campbell took over the play calling.
This is a big game for them, I think, Jamir Gibbs,
probably against he's a larger share of the work.
Montgomery is a touchdown-dependent flex.
You know that the Cowboys, since they got Quinn and Williams and Logan Wilson,
number one in fewest fantasy points allowed to opposing running backs.
that's awesome amazing that'll be put to the test tonight for sure jamie you're going to try to
avoid justin herbert who's planning on playing monday against philadelphia at home uh kareem hunt
sunday night against the texans and romo dunezay at green bay yeah i mean look herbert
forget about just the injury on top of the fact that at this point you have to certainly be
prepared for him not playing so make sure you have a backup plan if he is your starting quarterback
uh but we know he just hasn't been good lately you know 16
point eight fantasy points are less in his last three starts the offensive lines a mess the
eagles are coming off a loss their past defense has still been good i know they got run all over
last week by the bears but uh they still were able to you know do a great all right so jamie i got
cut off there but jamie is going to try to avoid justin herbert and hello heath okay so it wasn't
just me oh jamy got kicked out too i i have no idea what happened um jamie was talking i'm sure
he was making some really brilliant points and all of a sudden
sudden everything on my screen went haywire i was kicked out i was brought back in oh wow we all got
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um so all right justin herbert kareem hunt and roma dunezay were the guys who jami was saying to
avoid all right we'll move on we'll get to uh doonesay tomorrow we'll get to kareem hunt today
because heath is a little bit higher on kareem hunt against you so not super high or anything but
we can talk about that i do have a big time correction from yesterday
day's show. I made a huge mistake, so I apologize for this.
Went back and listened to it. And Heath, I said, this was the nickname that the bad guys gave
themselves in Home Alone. And you... I said Wet Bandits. You said Wet Bandits. What I should
have said was you did not answer in the form of a question yesterday. So, or not only going to
remove, I didn't think it was fair to just remove the 400 points from that or dollars or whatever.
I think I have to invalidate the results entirely
because we should have filed a protest at that point.
It just, it really screwed up the whole game after that.
So I'm sorry.
When you say we should have filed a protest,
are you acknowledging that these games are me against everyone else?
And we is the other side, which you're on as the host,
because that's exactly how this works.
You are the worst game show host in the universe,
not just the fantasy football universe,
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and you're biased on top.
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regularly makes mistakes and is not an unbiased observer.
Ooh, man, from the top rope, Heath, look, what am I supposed to do? You didn't answer the form
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Jaden Daniels is trending in the right direction for this game at Minnesota this week.
That'd be interesting.
J.J. McCarthy practiced in full.
He should play this week against Washington.
Justin Herbert mispractice.
He keeps saying that he plans on playing.
I don't think we should just consider it set in stone
that he's going to play this week, but we're hopeful.
And Jamie already said to sit him.
Daniel Jones practiced in full, which is good.
Daniel Jones was clearly limited by his leg injury.
He basically never left the pocket.
I think he threw one pass out of the pocket.
He didn't have any design runs.
I would just say I think it's good that he practiced in full
and I'm, he's just inside of my top 12 right now.
But he has a fracture in one of the bones in his leg.
It's probably not better.
No, it's, yeah, I think it's really dangerous, he scares me.
Cleveland is opening to Sean Watson's practice window.
How about that?
All right, running back news, I gave you this one yesterday,
but if you picked up Devin Singletary,
we are expecting Tyrone Tracy to play next week after the buy.
He has a hip contusion and a stinger.
Aaron Jones was limited, all right?
So he got in a limited session yesterday with that shoulder injury.
Alvin Camara mispractice.
Kiron Williams limited, but he's going to play.
Amarian Hampton expected to play.
Carolina head coach Dave Canales said that Rico Dowdell would remain the primary early downs back.
They've got to buy.
Kyle Menangai was listed as a DNP.
He should be able to play.
Woody Marks mispractice, but he will play.
The Steelers, Mike Tomlin wants the Steelers to be more physical offensively.
So look for them to try to establish the run at Baltimore.
And Trey Benson mispractice.
It's just, he just, hmm.
And Amari DiMarcato is limited.
So clouds things up a little bit more.
Wide receiver news.
There's one you didn't say, which impacts the guy that Heath loves.
Dylan Samson left last week with a calf injury.
And we saw three catches for Quintan Jutkins.
So that's another reason to love him is that if he's involved in the passing game,
which is something that's been sort of escaping him a little bit the last few weeks, like that's huge.
All right.
wide receiver Marvin Harrison Jr.
Miss Practice, but he's doing well,
according to head coach Jonathan Gannon.
So we'll keep an eye on that.
Greg Dorch also missed practice.
T. Higgins was limited,
so we love to have him back
for this game at Buffalo.
T. Higgins.
Amon-Ras, St. Brown,
questionable for tonight.
Khalif Raymond is out.
If St. Brown plays tonight,
are you going to have any hesitation starting him?
I mean, I'm certainly going to start him over Isaac Tesla,
but, you know, it depends on who you have.
I don't think a lot of people have the luxury of benching
somebody like Amon-St. Brown if he's healthy.
I think he's exactly the type of guy that you start and just get like a handful of Tums ready
because this could 100% be a decoy game where he's just out there to help the team,
but not a full strength.
If someone asked me, St. Brown or A.J. Brown.
What would you say?
I'd probably play A.J., yeah.
Okay.
Well, then person, ignore my email.
Mike Evans and J. Leigh McMillan practiced.
Drake London mispractice, Devante Adams, mispractice, but he'll,
play. Matthew Golden and Jaden Reed. They were both limited. Parker Washington
mispractice. Chris Olave mispractice with a back injury, which I guess flared up after that
game against Miami. So we'll have to keep an eye on Olave. O'Donzee mispractice. He should
play Josh Downs' mispractice. Mark Andrews signed a three-year deal. I'm sure we'll talk
about that on F-F-T Dynasty or Heathwell. Three-year $39.3 million deal with $26 million
guaranteed. If you're sitting there, you know, Isaiah likely going on, next year is going to be my
year. Doesn't look like it.
Likely is also a free agent, right?
Oh, is he?
All right, well, then next year might be your year.
I think they were trying to get a deal done.
I'll verify that, but I think they were trying to get a deal done with likely in the offseason going into this year and couldn't get a deal done.
And so they just decided to, maybe they'll keep them both.
But I think this makes it more likely that we have a free agent tied in that could be exciting.
I like that.
Good pun.
Dalton Kincaid was limited.
Keep an eye on the Lions tonight because they have.
have three offensive linemen who are questionable, and Dallas left tackle Tyler Geithen
is out. Buffalo left tackle Dion Dawkins is in the concussion protocol, but he was limited.
And in the last two weeks, Josh Allen's ADOT has been 4.7 yards and 1.7 yards.
So, you know, it could be great to get his left tackle back.
Christian Darasov, for the Vikings, looks like he's training in the right direction.
And the chiefs, if it didn't look already bad with that matchup, they could be without
three offensive linemen in this game against Houston.
they're definitely going to be without Josh Simmons, their left tackle.
And Tristan Worf's left tackle with a Bucks he missed practice.
The big injuries, I would say the Steelers' run defense could be in trouble.
They're going to be without their defensive tackle Derek Harmon
and linebacker Patrick Queen mispractice.
So did T.J. Watt.
So you're going to start Derek Henry anyway.
Many, many key defensive players for the Cardinals mispractice.
Happens a lot on Wednesday, so we'll look at that for Thursday.
You mentioned T.J. Edwards earlier.
And I'll just leave it at that.
All right, one question for each game.
Jamie, Indianapolis is at Jacksonville.
Big game.
Rank the top three wide receivers in this game.
Indianapolis at Jacksonville.
Michael Pittman,
Jacobi Myers, Alec Pierce.
Heath, you agree with that?
Heath, you are muted.
Yeah, I've been doing a lot of things.
Jacobi Myers, Michael Pittman, Alec Pierce.
Okay, so you're going to swap Pittman.
and Myers. Pittsburgh's at Baltimore. Start or sit, Lamar Jackson. Three straight games with
7.2 or fewer fantasy points. One touchdown pass in his last four games. Jamie Starterset,
Lamar Jackson. Still start. A lot of it is FOMO with him, but doesn't have a great history
against Mike Tomlin, and we're probably going to see a lot of running for Derek Henry. Heath, next
game is Houston at Kansas City. Startersit, Patrick Mahomes.
is also still a start.
I like him better than Lamar Jackson.
You have reason to be nervous,
but I think you just,
I think you stick with him.
I agree with Jamie.
I think you stick with Lamar also.
This is a terrible quarterback week, isn't it?
Yes.
It's pretty rough.
I couldn't believe it because I was like,
really surprised that they have Mahomes this high.
And only one quarterback has had more than
scored more than 23
fantasy, 23.9 fantasy points against Houston.
Oh, no, no, that's the most.
That's Baker Mayfield.
That's the most.
He's the only quarterback that scored more than 20.5 fantasy points
and six point for passing touchdown leagues.
But then I was looking at the rankings.
I think maybe Jalen Hertz.
There aren't that many guys where I'm going to go.
He should be ahead of Mahomes.
Sorry.
Yeah.
No, that's, that's, I've only got seven quarterbacks
projected to score 21 and only 11 projected to score 20.
So, wow.
Yeah, all right. Cincinnati's at Buffalo.
I'm guessing two of those guys are in this game that you'd start over Mahomes.
But Khalil Shakir bounce back?
No idea.
Yes.
Feeling it.
No, no idea.
It's hard to say that there's a lot of trust here.
What two of the last three games have been so bad.
Yes.
And I could easily see this being a game where Buffalo runs the ball 35 times.
Yep.
I'm going to try to do this better than I did it on Beyond the Box Corps.
I'll give you a visual of why I like Khalil Shakir, but I'll come back to that.
Miami's at the Jets.
Jamie, give me some players you would.
Oh, no, sorry, I skipped Denver at Las Vegas.
Jamie, who's better?
Ashton Genty or R.J. Harvey?
I go back and forth with these two.
I think you trust that Genti's role in the passing game will be something of a savior for him
because his running is not great right now.
I lean slightly toward Harvey, though, just because I think there's going to be an opportunity
for him to score and still get three catches.
Isn't it funny that, and I don't know if everybody has it this way, but my answer is
actually Gentie and full PPR, Harvey and everything else.
We thought Harvey was going to be the past catching back, and now Gentie gets eight targets
every week.
Insane how many targets he's been getting.
Heath, now to you on Miami at the Jets.
Give me some players you would start Adonai Mitchell over.
Oh, yeah.
I think that's a good, I'm a good person to ask that because I believe I might be the high guy
on adenai Mitchell um but still it's not a lot of great names uh brian thomas dj more
chris godwin uh jaden higgins cooper cup josh downs okay how about like adenai mitchell over
some running backs that don't the low guy on adenai mitchell now you're the low guy but just barely
i'm gonna move him up he's ranked between 29th and 37th for dave 29th jamie 36 and heath 37th on
Adam and I, Mitchell, but how would you compare Mitchell to running backs like Kyle Menangai
who never catches anything, basically, and Woody Marks, you know, players like that in a full
PPR league?
I'd be a start Mitchell.
All right.
And finally, we've got Tennessee at Cleveland.
I was going to say, are we pumped for Quinn John Judkins, but we are?
So, Jamie, are we pumped for Harold Fannan?
Low end starter.
You know, again, he's been a good floor option.
because he's been 8.4 PPR points
or more than four of his last five games.
So he's not hurting you at that position,
but some of the upside has been missing from him,
except for last week when he found the end zone.
So two touchdowns in his last five games,
you hope that that happens again.
The Titans, the last two games,
two of the last three games have struggled with tight ends.
So low end starter,
but it's so funny.
Like, this is the position that feels like it has as much depth as any.
It's really interesting.
He's pretty much led the Browns
in Target share all year,
long, but it's been around 19 or 20 percent most of the year. I don't know. It's just two games,
but in the two games, Shador Sanders has started. Fanon has a 27 percent target share. Nobody else is
over 17. Right. So you're going to need 27 percent because they might throw 20 passes.
All right. Let me show you Khalil Shakir here. Oh, okay. This is his route participation rate,
sorted. And just look at the scores, right? So look at the bottom. The, the bad,
Bad route participation rates are 26-7 win, 30 to 10 win, 40 to 9 win, 44-32 win,
31-19 win. Okay, we're getting okay here. So that's what I noticed with his snap share.
When they blow opponents out, he barely plays. He plays like 50% of the snaps when they blow out
opponents, which has happened quite a bit. Competitive game, better for Khalil Shakir.
Yeah, I hope it's a competitive game. I think that there is a significant blowout risk.
Really?
Okay.
Just because the bills,
like what the bills are good at defensively is stopping the pass.
Yeah.
It's true, but it's not like the Bengals can't run the ball.
They have run the ball better than the second and a half.
Yeah.
Six of the, five of the last six games,
I think we're talking really good rush average for Chase Brown.
All right, Colts are at the Jaguar's stat of the game.
I think Jamie mentioned this on Sunday.
The Colts have not won in Jacksonville since 2014.
I'm so excited for this game.
Colts are a one and a half point favorite.
A nice total there are 47 points.
Trevor Lawrence is barely throwing the ball lately.
27 or fewer pass attempts in three of his last four games.
So we're hoping that the Colts can make them throw a little bit more.
Also, Daniel Jones, two throws outside the pocket.
Zero design runs against Houston.
Jamie, why don't you just give me the lay of the land?
Who are the must starts in a sort of tricky game here,
Jacksonville hosting the Colts?
I think for the Colts, Jonathan Taylor's, Jonathan Taylor and Tyler Warren are the only must-starts.
I would say Michael Pittman and Alec Pierce, I have them as number two receivers, but your definition of must-start is obviously not going to apply to those two guys.
So I think just in the case of what they've done and what the match-up is, like you should be willing to trust them.
Certainly if you're starting three receivers, you know, two receivers in a flex or in a three-receiver league.
Pitman has been 13.7 PPR points or more in five of his last seven.
Pierce has been 17 or more points in three of his last four.
The Jaguar secondary is still their weakness.
So this should be an opportunity for Daniel Jones to connect with those guys,
especially if Josh Downs misses, but he typically does not miss, even though he misses practice.
And again, Tyler Warren, I'm a must-start guy.
I think for Jacksonville, Daniel Jones and Trevor Lawrence are both worth looking at as low on starters.
You mentioned quarterback is not great this week.
They both have favorable matchups.
You know, you look at Lawrence and the Colts, and they haven't been great, but now down Saus Gardner and the way that Lawrence has thrown the ball lately, if there is an uptick and volume, you hope for just a better game overall for him, which he's been over 23 fantasy points each of his last two outings.
I think in the case of the receiving core, I don't think there's a wrong answer with, you know, where Heath and I were coming from with who's the best receiver in this game.
It could be Ch Kobe Myers.
We just haven't seen him get more than six targets in the three games that he's played with Jacksonville.
but now you're down Parker Washington.
I can't trust Brian Thomas.
I don't think there's any way to look at it and say he can be a safe start.
It's just been a miserable season for him.
So even if Parker Washington doesn't play,
like at best you're talking about a low-end starter and a three-receiver league.
Strange is a borderline must-start guy.
Travis E.T.N. I think is worth, you know, considering a must-start player,
even though we've seen the usage be a little frustrating with facial two.
And there's just a lot to like in this game from where these two defenses are
and what the potential outcome can be.
I hope it's high-scoring affair.
he thought i kind of feel like
obviously jonathan taylor is you know
he's jonathan taylor right i feel like almost every player has
has bust potential in this game because i could see daniel jones just
having a really bad game i don't know how you feel about that you guys have him around
12th and i think that speaks to the quarterback position but his lack of mobility
um i really concerned me watching it back and i don't know i could just see like
michael pitman has three straight games with less than 30 yards so i'm
So I was just filling out my answers for our CBSSN show, which will be on at 1 p.m. today.
I know you're not on, so it doesn't matter.
But Jamie and I are.
And toughest quarterback to rank, I put Lamar Jackson, but I really consider Daniel Jones.
Because I do think if he was 100% healthy, we might view him as a top 7 or 8 quarterback in this game.
And there is bust risk for Jones.
I don't really see bust risk for Tyler Warren.
I think any of the wide receivers could be bad.
We've seen that with the Colts all year.
It's just guess which one.
And Jacoby Myers could certainly be bad.
Brian Thomas, we expect to be bad.
I don't know.
I think Travis Etyn will probably be okay.
He might have to share too much and just be a borderline RB2,
but I don't think he's going to bust.
And you know, you just look at the Colts run defense the last three weeks.
without DeForest Buckner.
It's kind of unclear because the Falcons running backs averaged five yards per carry.
All right, you're facing Bejan Robinson.
The Texans running backs average three and a half yards per carry.
The Chiefs running backs average 3.3 yards per carry.
So, I mean, logic tells you that their run defense shouldn't be as good without DeForest Buckner,
but I don't know that the results have really reflected that.
But I think it's basically just been when they've, it's kind of been matchups there.
So ETS's coming off a game where we had only 12 carries.
Bejel Tootin had eight, but they must not have run a lot of plays last week because Trevor
Lawrence didn't throw the ball that much. He only 27 pass attempts. So anywho, I think the one thing
just for Daniel Jones, the fact that he came through the last two games with positive numbers
should be encouraging at Kansas City and against Houston. Like those are two of the most
difficult matchups you could find. And Jacksonville, it's, you know, you mentioned the lack
mobility like what they did to herbert in their last home game is is something that you know
you could say okay they may be able to get after daniel jones and and clearly the offensive line
differences matter here because the colts offensive line much better than the chargers so if they
can protect jones then i think will be okay i'm just surprised that they're favored on the road here
same and i think you look at jacksonville i'll start getting to i think the chat questions will help
us clarify how we feel about these guys but look at jacksonville's defense and maybe it's getting better
The last three quarterbacks, Justin Herbert, scored 3.3 points, right?
Just a terrible game.
But then you had Jacoby Reset.
Jacobi Brissette had his worst game, 20.7 fantasy points.
I assume he threw a million passes in that game.
And then he had Cam Ward last week.
He was kind of playing better recently, and Cam Ward scored six points against the Jaguars.
And Brissette had 49 pass attempts, and he scored 20.7 fantasy points, which is pretty bad against Jacksonville.
I'm glad I don't have Daniel Jones this week.
You know, hasn't worked out for most of the year, but I think it's just kind of nerve-wracking.
But, all right, let's see what we got here.
Khalil, Shakir, Alec Pierce, and PPR.
Pierce.
I've got Shakir.
Kincaid or Strange?
I would go strange, but that would be close.
I just think you're looking at how healthy is.
If he was practicing full this week, I think it would be a no-brainer almost based on the matchup.
But the fact that he's still limited again, I'll give a slight nod to.
to Brent and Strange.
Yeah.
Lawrence or Caleb Williams?
Lawrence for me.
Start two.
Tyler Warren,
Brenton Strange,
Devon Veil, and Devin Neal.
Half PPR.
I mean,
it's start one along with Warren.
Are you sure it's Tyler?
No.
He would be my,
it'd be either Warren
would be my favorite.
Yeah.
So then pick one,
Brenton Strange,
Devon,
Vailay, or Devin Neal and half PPR.
Strange would be the easy one
unless Olave is out,
then I would take a chance on Bailey.
Someone saying
Kincaid or Ferguson,
I think you might have to play it safe there,
but with Ferguson.
If you're playing Kincade facts in full today,
then I would risk it.
Okay.
Would you start Brian Thomas Jr.
over Debo Samuel or Troy Franklin?
I would not.
Nope.
Would you play Jacobi Myers
over R.J. Harvey or Giovante Williams?
Nope.
I would not.
Myers or a Mecca Abuka.
still a buca
Alec Pierce or Isaac Tesla
Alec Pierce
Pittman or Adonai Mitchell
Pitman
How about Pierce or Adonai Mitchell
Pierce?
I think I have them back to back
How about Pierce or
Kareem Hunt?
Pierce
I have Hunt
How about Alec Pierce or
Devin Neal
let's say half people you are
Pierce.
Okay.
All right.
DSTs in this game are okay.
Let's see the rankings.
What are the rankings?
Sorry.
Oh, I got it.
I don't know.
Sit the Colts.
Start or sit the Jaguars DST.
Anybody interested there?
They've been pretty good lately.
Yeah, I would sit them.
I would sit the DSTs.
Sit the DSTs.
All right.
Next game is Pittsburgh at Baltimore.
And the Steelers' stat of the game.
They gave up 27.7 points to Caleb Williams two weeks.
ago, but in four of their last five games, they've been really good against quarterbacks,
19 or fewer points for Daniel Jones, Justin Herbert, Joe Flacco, Josh Allen.
There were some circumstances there.
He had Herbert's offensive line.
You had Flacco in the wind.
But Steelers' defense has gotten better.
However, they are kind of banged up, mostly in the front seven.
So, yeah, Lamar Jackson.
Jamie, where did he end up in your rankings?
He's 11th.
You know, it's tough to say he's, you know,
know, safe at this point. And I think the, the concern would be is that they run all over the
Steelers like the bills did, not to the same extent, because I don't know if they can do that,
but now it's historic. But obviously, that's the weakness of the Steelers defense right now.
You want to take some pressure off Lamar Jackson. I do love the fact that he practiced in full
Wednesday because that's been a trend that's, you know, been a little nerve-wracking.
But I think in the case of Lamar, Mike Tomlin typically does a good job against.
him. Um, he's not playing great right now. I think we would feel a lot different if he had those
touchdowns from last week and, you know, had the fumble at the goal line for Isaiah likely. Maybe this
was part of the reason they signed Mark Andrews, but, uh, the funnel of the goal line for Isaiah likely,
the offensive pass interference call that was, you know, BS or not, not great call. Questionable call,
yes. Um, on, on Zay Flowers, the 50 yard pass that was dropped by Walker. Like, there was some
circumstances that made Lamar Jackson look that much worse.
So I think if you have other options, I'll give you one example.
I have Lamar Jackson in one league.
Baker Mayfield was available.
It's our IDP league.
I picked up Baker Mayfield.
I'm going to start them.
I just like to set up better from especially if the other receivers play.
So I'm not as far, you know, I'm not as bullish on it as Dave is.
And, you know, we're going to talk about this on 1 o'clock today that Dave has him as
a sit outright.
But if you have, you know, some better players, some better quarterback options,
For me, it would be Jacoby Percette's probably the only one of the waiver wire-ish guys.
I think you can try and get away from it again.
I think if I was setting, and Adam, I know you always say you don't do this, and I don't generally, but a lot of people do.
If I was setting rankings thinking I'm a 15-point favorite and I just need 18 or 19 points for my quarterback, Lamar Jackson might be 18th or 19th in my rankings.
if I was setting my lineup and I had to win
I was a 15-point underdog
I think you have to play Lamar Jackson
because him and Zayflowers both
have had stretches in their career
where they have terrible performances
followed by incredible performances
and I just, it's hard to sit that type of upside
in a must-win game.
Remember Jackson, there were two other plays
that we haven't talked about
in terms of him losing fantasy points.
Walker actually had
two drops on deep balls.
I didn't remember the first one, but going back and watching the tape, I saw that one
as well.
And then there was an interception in the red zone that was tipped when they could have, you know,
that could have been points for them.
So there were actually a lot of points that didn't happen for him.
Now, that was against Cincinnati, and the Steelers are better than that.
But, you know, Jackson didn't do, he had some really bad throws last week for sure.
But he also did a lot of good things that he didn't get rewarded.
for all right so that's lamar jackson we'll get to some questions there start derrick henry zay
zay flowers or uh pitman and meyers and pierce like where's jamie where's zay flowers in that group
he's behind them for me but not by much i think you know it's he's he's not been great uh he hasn't
explored touchdown since week one you know you talked about this this week that you know usually
he gets seven targets he's typically good he was under a fantasy point last week you know so it was
was miserable.
But this Steeler's secondary, I know they played better of late, but like you said,
a lot of that is circumstantial.
I think there's still opportunities for him to, you know, have a good enough performance
that he could be in that 12 to 14 point range.
So I would prefer to only start him in three receiver leagues, but I can understand if you
are in need of a wide receiver this week that he can be still a starter in two series.
Yeah, I'd go Myers, Pittman, Flowers, Pierce.
Pitman Flowers, Pierce.
Yeah, Jamie, you'd start Flowers over Pierce.
Oh, you'd start Pierce over Flowers too, or?
I would, yes.
Oh, wow. Okay. And Mark Andrews, 13th for Jamie, 17th for Heath, 10th for Dave. He has two games all year with more than 34 yards. So he's got to catch a touchdown. Steelers do allow the sixth most fantasy points to tight ends, although I would argue they've gotten better. They pretty much gotten better across the board defensively.
Same thing I said last week. If I could just start Ravens' tight end, I'd be pretty excited about it. But I don't think we have a good idea on a week-to-week basis, whether likely or Andrews will be better.
Okay. And let's go to the Steelers side of the ball. So I'll get to Warren in a moment here, but you're going to sit Rogers. You're going to sit the tight ends, although come on Washington. Beat the waiver wire on Washington just in case they get him more involved.
D.K. Metcalf, Heath, start or sit, D.K. Metcalf.
This is one of those guys that I talked about earlier in the week that I think on the Sunday night show,
I believe it or not, was we have to start ranking him outside of the top 30.
And then I got to my rankings on Monday, and I was like,
how do I find 30 wide receivers to start over D.K. Metcalfe.
He's right in the Zay Flowers range for me.
So better as a number three wide receiver for sure.
I would start both Myers and Pittman over him.
still has the potential to give you a good week.
Jamie, are we pumped up for Jalen Warren,
nervous for Jalen Warren?
How are you feeling?
Yes, I think he's just that type of player.
You know, he scored a touchdown each of the last week.
He's the only stealer I would start.
You know, I'm done with D.K. Metcalf at this point,
five straight games under 50 yards receiving,
five straight games without a receiving touchdown.
I know it's, you know, a little BS in that,
but it's still, you know, the receiving yard.
is still the issue for me.
And Aaron Rogers is clearly not healthy.
So I like the fact that they're going to be committed to their run game.
I think it makes sense.
You know, they tend to get away from it too much.
I thought they did last week against Buffalo, too,
even in the first half where it seemed to be working.
So, you know, there's clearly the risk of they get behind
and they go to too much Kenneth Gainwell.
So I think Gainwell could still be a flex.
But I'm going to start Jalen Warren as number two running back.
All right.
Questions from the chat.
Lamar Jackson or Jordan Love?
Love.
Love.
Maconkey or Flowers?
Maconkey.
Yep.
Lamar or Mariotta?
Lamar.
Yep.
Yeah, we might get Jane Daniels this week anyway.
Isaiah likely or Gunner Helm.
It would be Daniels over Lamar for me though.
Okay.
Isaiah likely or Gunner Helm?
Likely, but it's not far off.
Likely.
Loop or McPherson?
McPherson
Sure
Flowers or
Justin Jefferson
Jefferson
Still Jefferson
Metcalf Pierce or
Isaac Tesla
Pierce
Would be Metcalf for me
I think it was our
first disagreement
on this game
Oh look at that disgusting
pumpkin pie
in the avatar there
Love pumpkin pie
That's our second disagreement
Andrews or Waller
Andrews
Yeah
Adam feeling
Yeah
I'm gonna go Waller
Adam Thielen resurgence?
They're the same guy.
They need a touchdown.
It's true.
Adam Thieland resurgence?
You know, this is typically the type of situation where Aaron Rogers is, you know, stubborn and likes his veteran guys.
And this is apparently a relationship that they've wanted to play together for a long time.
So it wouldn't shock me if Thelan has more targets than expected, but no.
Okay.
All right.
We're going to take a break.
We got five games.
I'm sure he was, like, begging for Alan Lazare to get released by the Jets.
Yeah.
All right, we'll be right back.
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Over under 22 fantasy points,
six point per passing touchdown leagues
for Patrick Mahomes against Houston.
Under.
Under.
I can't believe we have to start him.
He's top seven.
It's so frustrating.
I wish the offensive line was healthy.
I'd still feel comfortable with him
if the offensive line was,
so hopefully Smith and Taylor play.
But like, man,
Down three linemen.
We saw that in big spots for him in his career.
It's not great.
And this defense is just nasty.
Those two ends, our defensive ends, are just so awesome.
I will lower him if he's actually down three linemen.
The one, they have a pretty good sixth offensive lineman.
So the one, I think that they played, he played really well with Josh Simmons earlier in the year.
But the other two, let's see where they're at.
Okay.
And, yeah, so
I mean, I can get into some numbers,
but Houston's face a lot of great offenses,
and for the most part,
these teams are around 20 points or less.
There have been some exceptions,
and the chiefs have faced some great defenses,
and they're usually around 20 points,
with some exceptions.
But the chiefs are just better at home
than they are on the road.
Now, is Nico Collins the only player
that you want to start for Houston?
Yes.
Dalton Schultz is in the top 12.
Oh, right. Is there any hesitation with Nico Collins?
No, zero.
Okay. I mean, Heath, I think you have him 15th, so that's, for Nico, that's on the low side.
But start, Nico, he'll be 95% started, I'm sure.
Dalton Schultz or Mark Andrews?
Schultz.
Shultz.
And are we still strange over Schultz?
Yes.
Yes.
All right.
This is a tough matchup.
Chiefs give up the seventh fewest fantasy points.
They were great against Jake Ferguson.
They were great against Tyler Warren.
They haven't faced the toughest competition this year.
But, all right, Schultz has been pretty reliable other than that game against Buffalo.
So, Jaden Higgins, how are we feeling about Jaden Higgins?
We talked about, like, Alec, Alex Pierce or Jaden Higgins?
Pierce.
Jaden Higgins or Tesla?
I would go to Tesla.
I have Higgins.
Higgins or Kennedy tonight.
Higgins.
Higgins.
I have Higgins ahead of Mitchell and Valey.
I have him right behind Mitchell and Vaila.
Woody Marks is outside the top 24.
Woody marks behind Jalen Warren.
But who's the best running back in this game?
Woody marks are Kareem Hunt?
I'll go hunt.
I would go marks,
but it's with no sense of confidence in either one of these guys.
Heath, make a case for Kareem Hunt
because you're not super high on him,
but you have him 19th in PPR.
Jamie has him 29th.
Dave 26th on Kareem Hunt.
And I think I have Marks 26th, and there's not honestly a huge amount of difference between
those spots in the running back rankings.
I was encouraged by the fact that Isaiah Pacheco, I think, only had five touches last week.
Kareem Hunt is the lead running back.
He does score touchdowns.
He's got a little bit of involvement in the passing game.
I think he's more likely to score than Marks is, and partially that's just because
the chiefs are at home and the Texans are at Arrowhead.
but you're going to need a touchdown.
He's a touchdown dependent low-end R-B-2.
Offensive line concerns still apply for him, too.
And the Texans have only allowed two running-back touchdowns
on the ground since week seven.
I mean, is there any concern that Isaiah Pacheco gets more snaps this week
and they go back to the old role of Pacheco being the primary ball carrier?
I don't think, though, the first part,
of that yes there's got to be some concern that pacheco plays a little bit more the second part that
they go back to him as the lead guy no i can't imagine that at this point they want to you know
take any chances with what's i don't want to say been working for them but clearly isaiah
pacheco is not working for them so it's i think just you know i wouldn't shock me if they try to get
another 20 plus carries out of kareem hunt and just hold the ball and win a field goal game yeah okay um
Start Rice.
I mean, there's just, yeah, start Rice.
He's not going to get shadowed by Stingley.
Can't start working.
I think if you remove Mahomes, because most people are still going to start him,
but in terms of like the must start guys,
it's probably the two top receivers and Kelsey.
If you want to throw Schultz in there, then I get it.
But like to me, those are the only safe plays.
So Kelsey, it's like, I don't know why I even bother having this conversation
because if you have Kelsey, you're starting him.
But he's at a target share of less than 19% in four of six games
since Rishi Rice returned.
you know he's got six targets five or six targets three of his last four games and this is a tough
matchup they're given with the fifth fewest fantasy point texans fifth best against tight ends so
would you consider strange or schultz or waller or somebody like that over kelsey strange yes
shultz maybe waller no chance i think if you just look at the at his recent games like he faced
the bills already and scored had the best i think the best tied-in game of the season against the bills
He faced the Broncos and had like 24 fantasy points.
I think he's just a must start.
He might have a bad game, but he's a must start.
All right.
Mahomes or Stafford to the chat questions?
Stafford.
Stafford.
Kelsey, you're strange.
I just asked that.
Kelsey, I think, right?
Yes, but it's close.
They're back to back from me.
Okay.
Kamani Vidal or Woody Marks.
That's a good one.
Vidal, if Hampton is out.
Marks, if Hampton isn't.
Yep.
Schultz or Kincaid?
It would be
Kincaid for me if he plays
Schultz, obviously not.
I would probably just go Schultz
and is there a chance
the Chargers are Monday night, right?
Yeah.
Is there a chance we go
into Sunday games
with Justin Herbert and Amar and Hampton
both still unknown?
Probably.
Seems like pretty good for Hampton.
I'm going to guess
if Herbert practices he's playing.
So if he's out there taking snaps,
then he's going to play.
also said, Herbert also said that he could play without practicing.
Right. That's the, that's the fear.
You know, so I dropped Herbert in one league where I had picked up, um, I picked up Burrow
and have Stafford. So like I was playing Stafford and Herbert, like there's no need for me
to carry Herbert rest of the season. Um, I have Herbert in a super flex league where I'm,
unfortunately the only is Dynasty League. The only option was to pick up Traylands.
Hmm. Um, comani by Dale or Marks. Did I ask that? I did.
And someone said, I dropped Woody Marks.
I'm done with that guy.
Still gets a lot of work.
In a 10-team league, I could understand it.
Darren Waller.
My son had a question of, he only had Drake May, and it's a 10-team league he has with friends.
And he said, should I drop Romo Dunezay?
Because he's got a good receiving court to pick up Jordan Love.
And I said, I would drop Woody Marks, personally.
But he decided to drop O'Donzee.
All right.
we've talked about.
Dalton Schultz or Brenton Strange?
Just get used to that, Jamie.
I'm going to ask your opinion,
and then I'm going to do the opposite.
That's the next five years.
No, this was the 11-year-old.
One good left.
One good one left.
Woody Marks or Chris Rodriguez, PPR?
I would take the chance with Rodriguez.
I mean, they're both not catching the ball at this point.
You know, Marks has three catches in his last three games.
Rodriguez has as much touchdown potential as Marks does, if not more.
I've got marks barely, but,
no confidence.
All right.
And Dave and Jamie
like the Texans
DST better than the
Chiefs.
Heath has the Chiefs
DSTP of the Texas.
Cincinnati's at Buffalo.
All right.
Burrow,
who would you,
Burrow or Brissette?
I believe I moved Brissette
ahead of Burrow,
but I'm probably on an island there.
I think I have them,
they're very,
very close.
I currently have Burrow higher.
Look,
Burrow is Joe Burrow,
but also the bills are amazing.
Second few is fantasy points to quarterbacks.
They held Drake May, Patrick Mahomes, to 12.1 or fewer fantasy points.
Baker Mayfield, 18.8.
Like, you talk about the Texans, and they're a better defense.
And the bills have played some bad quarterback, some good quarterbacks,
but they haven't allowed a quarterback to score even 19 fantasy points since week one.
So you want a fun stat for bro?
Yeah.
Okay.
So his passing attempt prop on Fandle,
is 35 and a half.
In 13 games with at least 36 attempts over the last two seasons,
he's averaging 29.8 fantasy points.
Yeah.
Only two games under 21.2 over that span.
So he's been pretty consistent with his numbers.
Hopefully T. Higgins is full today.
Right.
That would definitely help.
Last week, we saw 46 pass attempts for Broo
in his first game back from a toe injury against Baltimore.
Yeah.
Unless the time of possession is just completely
lobsided like it was for Buffalo
last week. I'd be shocked if he's under
40 pastimes. So if you'd tell me
going into it against the 85
bears that Joe Burrow is going to throw 40 plus
time, I'm starting.
Oh, man.
John, I'm sorry.
Johnny Airport probably just had his
best comment ever in the chat.
I'm not sure that I can put it on
the screen, but it was fantastic.
I got a search for it.
Burrow or Bo Nix?
Good job, promise.
Burrow.
Gough or Burrow?
Gough.
Goff.
Okay.
So, yeah, I mean, look, there are going to be a lot of starts in this game, right?
The total is 53 and a half.
Alan, he's number one for you guys.
I wish you were playing a little bit better.
I hope I wish his tackles were playing better.
I wish they were playing.
Right.
Higgins and Chase, if Higgins plays, is going to be a must-start guy.
And if Higgins doesn't play, are we going to go back to the,
Yoshavus well or think about Tinsley or think about Gisicki.
Is anyone else, Jamie?
No chance, Gisiki.
Oh, right.
Not against the bills.
I think you got to be desperate at this point to go back to Yoshaves or Tinsley.
You know, Tinsley scored two games ago, then does nothing with more targets than Yosivas.
Yosevus had a 10-point game two games ago without chase and has the touchdown, but only one catch without Higgins.
It's just too tough to trust them.
I would start both Velae and Mitchell and Higgins over Tinsley, who I have ahead of Yosvus, but I don't
want to start.
Here's one more reason to like Khalil Shakir.
So the Bengals are sixth best against wide receivers, but like I mentioned, DJ Turner's
playing great.
He's not going to follow Shakir into the slot, I don't think.
But the Bengals give up the third most yak per catch to wide receivers.
They keep things in front of them.
They do not get beat deep.
Talked about this with a guy like Romo Dunzee who had a terrible game against them,
but they give up a ton of yak.
and Shakir is a yak specialist.
I guess I've made quite a case for Kalil Shakir.
How high would you rank Kulio Shakir?
Let me look at your wide receiver.
Like, would you start him over Jacobi Myers?
Yeah, I'd start him over Romerick-Rae McClureen?
If it's Marietta, yes.
No, no, let's start McLaren.
Let's start McLaren.
Christian Watson?
Yes.
Justin Jefferson?
No.
Okay.
But O'Donzee, yes.
Okay.
where you don't have him that high.
You're like a little lower than that.
Dave is basically in that range.
And Jamie, I'm like, I don't know,
maybe two spots ahead of you guys on this year.
I just feel like this can be a good game for him.
I think you just kind of know what he is at this point, right?
Like, two of the last three games have been terrible.
But that's weird.
He's never like that.
He was the most consistent player in fantasy last year.
That's what I'm saying.
You kind of know what he is.
You know, he's usually around 11 PPR points.
And, you know, if he scores a touchdown,
he gets you 17 or 18.
So I think the hope would be is that, to your point,
this is a competitive game.
we see Josh Allen throwing the ball a lot more
the biggest thing that could probably sway this in his favor
is if there's no Kincaid
because I don't think they trust Dawson Knox
to the same level clearly
and you're looking at a team that just has been miserable
against tight end so if Kincaid plays
I think it's worse for Shakir
maybe by a lot
Yeah, it could just be better for Alan but sure I could see that
Who has more fantasy points per game
Zay Flowers or Cleo Shakir?
Shakir.
I would say Shakir, too.
Say Flowers has been 1.2 points better than him.
That fast start is a lot of it.
All right.
So, sorry, Chase Brown's top 10.
I am slightly worried about Chase Brown
because the bills are incredible
against past catching running backs,
and we know that P. Ryan had a pretty big role last week,
but the bills have a bad run defense.
So start Chase Brown.
P. Rine, is he like a top 30 running back, P. Ryan, or just a Hail Mary?
Hail Mary.
Hail Mary.
And a good handcuff.
Let me read this.
I mean, the way this thing's all working out, top 30 might be Hail Mary.
We've got a sleeper if Kincaid doesn't play.
Dawson Knox might be a sleeper.
But someone's asking Yoshivas or Knox?
If Kincaid is out, I might take a chance on Knox over Yoshvas.
Yeah, I hope it's not Jackson-Hawes.
right that's the problem it's just they haven't been a consistent tight end since kinkade's not been there
who has more upside dack or burrow back back burrow or brissette this week
i'm gonna lean brisette i've got burrow Shakir or flowers there you go flowers
I would go flowers I'd go Shakir Higgins or Dobbs higgins higgins
Kincade or fanning kinkade if he plays I'd go fanning
Wow, that's amazing.
You'd start fanning over Kincaid in this incredible Matt.
You're just worried that he's not going to be 100%.
Right.
Okay.
Shakir or Michael Wilson.
Wilson, by a lot if Harrison is out.
Shakir, if Harrison is in.
Didn't they say that Kincaid has a second?
He's got like a new knee thing also?
Oh, I don't know.
I think they listed him with two injuries.
Like he's just, he has such a hard time staying healthy.
Yeah, it's a shame.
All right.
And that's it for the start, James Cook.
Okay, sit the DSTs.
Denver's at Las Vegas.
Stad of the game.
You want 11.4?
I've given this stat before,
but you want 11.4 fantasy points in PPR
from your wide receiver?
That's not a terrible floor.
16 wide receivers have done that against the Raiders.
16 have scored 11.4 or more PPR fantasy points.
Are we going back to Sutton?
Are we going back to Franklin?
Heath, do you like the Denver passing game here?
well it will be an interesting thing because at the raiders is not a difficult matchup for a quarterback at all and you're indoors so you don't have any weather concerns so generally speaking i would say yes um i think jamie probably has some bow nicks on the road stats though that would say no i'm starting courtland sutton um troy franklin terrifies me he's he's in my top 36 but they just flat out played pat bryant over him last week
and I don't
With Sean Payton you don't know if was that just a one week thing
Or is that just the way it's going to be now
So I think Franklin's a very low floor
And he never has a huge upside
But still in that wide receiver three range
Because he could just move right back into his role next week
I didn't realize that they started
That they
He lay his snaps per down
I'll pull it up the routes too
Played more
Oh wow I didn't realize that
Good to know
Bad to see though
you have a game already between these two teams it was in denver where bo necks typically is great
and he was miserable and you know he brought this up um bo necks indoors has actually been
decent um comparatively to bo necks outdoors but he's three straight games with 18 fantasy points or less
one of those was the the raiders game and so the concern would be is what we've seen from bo necks
at his best this season really i think aside from the cincinnati game it's been these fourth quarter
comebacks.
Yeah.
And I don't think you're going to get that this week because the Raiders are so bad in
this defense, I think will bounce back after what we saw last week based on how the Raiders
have performed.
So Nix is in a bad quarterback week.
I think he's more in that group of Daniel Jones, Trevor Lawrence, Marcus Marriota, you
know, the questionable starters.
You know, I would still start, for example, Lamar Jackson over him because I think there's
much more upside.
But it wouldn't surprise me if Nix is better.
So I think he's going to be in that 18th to 21 point range.
You know, I have to do these, we break up start and sit them if, you know,
haven't been reading this by position.
So I write, like, you know, a guy that I'm a little concerned about that I don't
really have as a start or sit, you know, kind of just this really, you know, great area.
And I led the story with Bo Nix.
Like, Sportsline hasn't projected for 21 points.
Again, his best game in his last three was 18.
I think that's where he is, you know, somewhere between that.
So low-end starter at best.
If you have him, I wouldn't, I wouldn't be dropping him for Terad Taylor or Mariotta or
the other guys that we talked about this week.
I would, if, you know, for example, Jacoby Brissette was out there, that's a move I would definitely make.
Yeah, I have Mario to one spot ahead of Nix, but you can't do that with the Jaden Daniels uncertainty, I don't think.
And just to, for the actual numbers from last week, Pat Bryant had a 68.6% snap share.
Troy Franklin was 51%.
Bryant ran 77% of the routes.
Franklin was down to 67.
Bryant had a 16% target share.
Franklin, 7%.
Whoa. Wow. I didn't realize he didn't play. He played less. Okay, that's really important stuff. Thank you.
And you also had a fight game for Evan Ingram, too, which we haven't seen for a while.
We have a couple of good run defenses here, and we have two young running backs that we want to start.
Jamie, I think you said you like Gentie better than Harvey, right?
Slightly.
Okay, because he's got that, he's got eight targets in three straight games.
But no running, how about no running back has more than 11 receiving yards against the Broncos in their last five.
games. That's insane.
So Gentie hopefully can
keep it going with as a receiver,
but not a good matchup. I don't know. These guys are
tough. Would you start them over Seguan Barclay?
Yeah.
So
full PPR, I would go
Gentie, Barclay, Harvey.
Non-PPR, I would go
Berkeley, Harvey, Gentie.
Okay.
Would you...
All right. I think these guys are good.
They're like,
top 16 running backs. Look, it's not a perfect setup, but we know how running back is and
there's potential for them, obviously. Would you start Sutton or, yeah, would you start
Cortland Sutton over the running backs? Who's the best flex in this game?
The running back. Genty.
Or Bowers.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, I forgot about him.
I've got Genty over Bowers in terms of flex rankings.
All right. Sutton or Shakir?
Sutton.
Yeah.
All right, Sutton's a number two receiver.
Evan Ingraham, start or sit, Jamie?
I would sit him.
You know, again, huge game last week.
Prior to that, he was miserable.
One touchdown on the season or two at most.
One, yeah.
Yeah, he stunk against the Raiders.
They're still top five in defending tight ends.
So to me, it's a, hey, you got a great game out of him last week.
If you started him, I would look for other options.
for sure.
All right.
Cittino Smith.
We talked about Genti.
We're not going to go with
Trey Tucker.
And Bowers is a start
and start the Broncos DST.
I hope I didn't.
Let me see if I have any questions here.
Sutton or Abuka?
Abuka.
Right now it would be Abuka.
If Evans plays, it would be Sutton.
Sutton or Mekonki.
Still lad.
I have them back to
back. I'm very slight lean
to lad.
If it's, if it's
Trey Lance, I think you're probably going to go
with Sutton.
Sutton or McLaren.
Sutton, but that's close.
I have Terry one spot higher.
Pat Bryant or Tesla?
Tesla.
Tesla.
Harvey or Breece Hall?
Hall.
Love Breeze Hall.
Troy Franklin or Odunze?
Roondonze.
Oh, you love Breeze Hall, do you?
Well, let's go to the Dolphins and the Jets.
And I forgot everybody to tell you to vote.
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Voting ends today.
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Let's go get to the finals.
What time does it end?
I think 3 a.m. Eastern, Midnight Pacific, I think.
So not today.
All right, Miami's at the Jets, and Heath, you love Breeshaal, do you love anyone else in this game?
Well, that's stupid.
Obviously, you love A-chan.
I love A-chan.
You love Waddle?
I love Waddle.
It was a bad game last week, but with the way the wide receiver position is right now, he's the top 12 wide receiver.
I'm not even considering not starting him.
I'm not either, guys, but they have gotten so run heavy.
They've won, what, for their last five, four of their last six.
they, yeah, they're four and one
their last five games.
They're barely throwing three straight games
with more than 20 carries for A-chan.
And yeah, Waddle is seeing a down-tick in targets.
He was bad two weeks ago against the commanders.
I mean, commanders and saints
and he scored combined 15.2 fantasy points.
So I feel like I have to bring that up.
He can't just be one of those guys.
Yeah, I start Wadle.
I feel I have to bring that up.
No, he's definitely, that's all entirely true.
And I would challenge you to find even 15 wide receivers
you might start over.
Yeah, he's so good, and you're right.
It just, I guess, just to point it out, that trend is happening right now.
So guess what?
The top 15 wide receivers might suck, too.
Like, that's how we feel about.
Like, Ibuka's still in that range.
You know, I honestly felt like Darren Waller looked really good last week.
He looks fast.
He looked good all year.
I don't know how he, he did such a bad job in the back of the end zone on that throw,
like not even trying to get his feet down.
That was weird.
And he didn't play that much.
She played, what, about half the snap, something like that.
The Jets are, they've allowed seven touchdowns to tight ends,
but only one in their last five games.
No tight end is more than 49 yards against the Jets.
So that's pretty interesting.
So Waller, I guess, is the toughest call for the dolphins, Jamie.
Do you like him?
I think he's a low-end starter at best.
I'll go back to when you asked about Andrews.
Waller's got to score.
If he doesn't score, you're not getting a big yarder's game
because he's not playing that much and they're not throwing that much.
So you need that touchdown.
In his best games, this season, it's been all touchdowns.
Okay, Waller or Andrews?
Andrews, but again, that's the Spider-Man movie.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Waller or Pitts against Seattle.
Pits for sure if London's out.
Yeah, pits by a mile.
London or Hawkinson.
I'm sorry.
Waller or Hawkinson against Washington.
Waller.
Waller.
Waller or Earths.
Ertz.
Ertz.
Waller or Loveland?
Loveland.
Waller.
Tyrod Taylor, or Terad Taylor, whatever it is.
You go back to the starts he made in 2023.
He has now scored 19.7 or more fantasy points
and six points per passing touchdown leagues in five of his last seven starts
that he didn't leave with an injury.
He's like a slightly worse version of Mariotta, I would say.
Dolphins are 26th against quarterbacks.
there you go. He's 19th in the consensus rankings.
I mean, you could do worse. I would start him over Tua, for example. I think there's just more upside at this point. So it's good that they've found receivers. You know, I think the concern was when Garrett Wilson went out. Like, this was the worst receiving core in football. And it still might be on paper. But, you know, Ad9 Mitchell is coming off a great game. The two previous games, you know, Metschi had touchdowns in each of those. And the, you know,
The thing that sucks is that they haven't been able to establish Mason Taylor, who I hope is still a big part of their future.
Now, if you go back to the first game between these two teams, it was Mason Taylor's dad, you know, Hall of Fame player for the Dolphins in Miami, had a big game against them.
That was one of the Dolphins are really bad against tight ends.
So maybe that's another, you know, game that they give him an opportunity to play well in, but you can't trust it.
So I think just in the case of Taylor, you got the rushing touchdown last week, you know, he'll do some things with his legs.
And based on how this game is unfolding, Tyler Shuck just had 21 points against Miami.
me. So hopefully Terad comes through.
All right. We love Breeze Hall. He's top 12. He's eighth for both of you guys, 12th for Dave.
All right. Adonai Mitchell has 25 targets in his last three games. That's pretty cool.
And John Mechie has 18.
Adonai Mitchell has three end zone targets. I think two of them have been deep balls.
I guess the only thing, Heath, that, you know, last week we were having this discussion about Mechie.
Now we're having it about Mitchell.
I hope we don't pick the wrong guy.
Yeah, and I have kind of had, I've had a lot of regret this week because Ed and I Mitchell was rostered in some leagues where I could have used him.
And I added John Mechie over Ed and I Mitchell a couple weeks ago.
And honestly, I think the fundamentals have looked better for Mitchell the last three weeks than for Metchie.
It's just we know the story with Ed and I Mitchell.
He is borderline elite at getting open and borderline unplayable when the ball is.
thrown his way. Like all types of dumb things have happened throughout his career, including
the thing that getting run out of Indianapolis. But if you just want to be somebody who trusts
the underlying stats, Adonai Mitchell is probably too low for all of us. Like, his role, he's,
I think he's sixth in targets since he joined the Jets, or sixth in Target Share. And so, and it's,
it should be a chance for the Jets to put up some points. I think he's the number three wide receiver.
Okay.
Yeah, and he's a high average route depth guy.
I talked about that yesterday.
That's just like Isaac Tesla.
That means you could get the big play.
You're probably not going to get a lot of safety there,
but eight targets gives you some safety.
A guy who has a high average route depth and a high A dot
and also gets eight targets is pretty appealing.
That's like if Alec Pierce were getting that,
you know you'd be pumped about it.
It's not the same.
It's just you might be screaming at your TV in the middle of the third quarter
because you can't believe that those 12 fantasy points
just disappeared. The only thing I would disagree
is no one is watching this game. Yeah, exactly.
I was about to say.
I'm going to have Brown's Titans on
Dolphins Jets. It's exciting.
I have to watch this game every week. The Jets every
week. It's awful. Someone correcting
me in the chat. I don't have to.
Well, I mean, it's the only, you know,
the local games are on. It's Mario Ta. Yes, that was
strange. There seemed to be like a direct thing.
Yeah, you had to think that they told them, hey,
pronounce it.
on Sunday.
Well, Collinsworth was like very
over-emphasizing it
and it didn't feel like Tariqa.
Do you like the Dolphins DST?
Yes.
Eh.
Okay.
They've had huge games lately.
They've been good in four
of their last five, but terrible.
They're 12th.
I don't dislike them.
They're 12th.
Tennessee's at Cleveland, our last game.
And we've got
basically nobody to start for Tennessee.
How could you at this?
this point like it's the all the only sneaky play in this game is the titans defense because of
how sanders has performed in the the brown's quarterback in general okay what a shame and then we go
to cleveland we're going to sit shoulder sanders i do think though somebody asked about gunner helm
like he's got six catches in the last two games he's playing a lot more he's been productive
they're receiving court both guys i think are on the injury report this week i'm i'm expecting both
are going to play but uh dk missed was limited on wednesday and i think iommander was as well so
if you're desperate,
tight and premium league,
I'm starting Gunner Helm
in the fishbowl playoffs,
for example.
You know,
those six catches
in a tight-in premium league
are important.
Tennessee's run defense,
unfortunately,
has been a little bit better.
Two of the last three games,
maybe even three of the last four.
Otherwise,
I'd say I'm shocked
that Judkins is only 17th
for Heath,
14th for Jamie,
19th for Dave.
You know,
I don't know that the matchups
really matter.
He's probably,
as Heath said,
probably not going to have a great
run average.
average, but, yeah, you know, the Titans, they give up a ton of fantasy points.
They're 20th against running backs, but they do give up the fewest receiving yards per game
of running backs. But anyway, this is-
I do think, though, again, the fact that they're using him more in the passing game is big
if Samson doesn't play.
They've been using him the last two games with Shador and the Wildcat, so they're giving
him, you know, additional touches, you know, to be creative with the ball.
And so I think you just have to understand, like, time of possession is going to matter
here, as he said, is going to grind his way to, you know, hopefully a big game.
We saw two games ago where, you know, the rushing touchdowns matter for him.
We've seen that a few times.
Like the Miami game was pretty bad.
He had 23 carries, I think, for 80-some-odd yards in that game, but scored three times.
Like, that's the type of game you're hoping for.
All right.
And then we got Harold Fanon.
We're not going to start a Browns-wide receiver.
Harold Fanon, Jr. is top 12, 10th for Jamie, eighth for Dave, 11th for Heath.
And he's running all the routes, and yeah, looks good.
I'll say he's, because I know it's weird for me.
being a low guy on Fanon, but he's, I think he's sixth in the projections.
I'm just terrified that it's an 18 pass game.
And so if that happens, you might get five targets from Harold Panham.
20 and 25 pass attempts for Sanders in two games.
One of them was, you know, a, I mean, one of them they would just run heavy.
I can't remember the circumstances of the first one.
Did they blow someone out or did they get blown out?
Oh, they won 2410 in the first game.
Which they might do this week.
But last week, they lost 26 to 8, and they had.
I think they had 26 pass attempts.
I think Gabriel threw one.
So they obviously just want to run the ball.
All right, some questions from the chat.
How about Judkins, T. Higgins, or McConkey?
Well, if Herbert does not play, lads definitely out.
Yeah.
I would go Higgins and PPR, Judkins, and half and none.
Yeah, I'd probably just go Judkins.
Fanon or Dalton Shultz
Shultz
Yeah
Fanon or Brandon or Brenton Strange
Strange
Strange
Fanon or
Kincaid if he plays
Kincaid for me
I'll stick with Fanon
I think the most interesting thing about this game is
does Miles Garrett break the sack record
in week 14
How many does he need four?
I think he needs four
the Titans give up about five a game
I think he
He has a chance to make this record untouchable
What's that?
He has a chance to make this record untouchable
I know.
Yeah.
It's sane.
We have one more question.
Sanders or Tarad Taylor?
Taylor.
Taylor.
We have one more question.
He's the easiest
award, right?
With defense player there?
Probably.
Yeah.
Stranger Things are Game of Thrones.
Game of Thrones.
I've only seen one
I mean I've seen
I actually I think I'm
I tried to watch two episodes
of Game of Thrones
so I think it's pretty clearly
Stranger Things
You tried to watch season
Season one episodes one and two
I mean
Absolute masterpieces of
I think I tried to watch
Season one episode one twice
And you didn't like it?
It's just not my thing
All right
I think the new season
of Stranger Things has been fantastic
Listen I got to say
Stranger Things
If it ends well
can overtake Game of Thrones
because Game of Thrones
really didn't end well
especially season 7th
it's going to take you about 16 hours
to find out
because the Stranger Thing episodes
are so long
here's the worst comment
of the day from Maddie Randams
sons of anarchy
over stranger things
in Game of Thrones
bro watch the shield
the shield is sons of anarchy
10 times better
I like sons of anarchy
but it's the same guy
it's the same people you know
and it's just so much better
Sons of Vanderger was like a low-budget version of The Shield.
All right, folks.
Good luck.
Enjoy the game tonight.
It should be really fun.
And we will talk to you tomorrow with Start or Sit
and Breaking Bad over everything.
I can't really argue with that.
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