Fantasy Football Today - Start or Sit (AFC): Start Your Raiders? Sit Most Bengals? TreVeyon Henderson Breakout? (09/25 Fantasy Football Podcast)
Episode Date: September 25, 2025Players we love (3:10) and players to avoid (8:15) as we look at the Week 4 slate. Geno Smith is our Start of the Week! Javonte Williams could struggle! Will this be the breakout week for TreVeyon He...nderson and Matthew Golden? ... News and notes (14:25) and One Question for Each Game (21:50). Start or Sit DK Metcalf? D'Andre Swift? Tee Higgins? Alvin Kamara? ... Start or Sit for Ravens-Chiefs (30:50), Vikings-Steelers (39:30), Bears-Raiders (48:30), Panthers-Patriots (56:25), Bengals-Broncos (1:05:15), Jets-Dolphins (1:10:30), Saints-Bills (1:15:15) and Titans-Texans (1:19:25) ... Email us at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Shop our store: shop.cbssports.com/fantasy SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179 FOLLOW FFT Dynasty on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1 SUBSCRIBE to FFT DFS on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dfs/id1579415837 FOLLOW FFT DFS on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5zU7pBvGK3KPhfb69Q1hNr?si=1c5030a3b1a64be2 Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Adam Azor, Heath Cummings, Jamie Eisenberg, and Heath, one of us is going to have to change.
No, Jamie missed the memo.
It is happy blue shirt day, everybody.
I didn't realize it was a giant blue day.
Yeah, bright blue shirts here on NFL.
I mean, it was a great day, a great night on Sunday night.
Yeah, yeah.
23, 21, is that what the score was?
Look, you don't want to make excuses, but I,
I never would have picked the Giants
if I had known Graham Gannot
is going to get hurt in warm-ups,
okay?
Like, gosh,
the chiefs just keep getting breaks.
We're going to tell you some players we love.
Is the first time you guys have spoken since the game?
No,
yeah.
We do go kind of a long time without speaking.
Today,
Baltimore,
Kansas City,
Minnesota at Pittsburgh,
Chicago at the Raiders,
Carolina,
at New England,
Cincinnati at Denver,
jets at dolphins,
saints at Bills,
Titans,
and Texans.
Let's get some players we love.
Usually we do one.
I was like, you know what?
Why don't we give some more names just at the top of the show?
Players we're excited about this week.
And it's going to be sort of on a sliding scale, I think.
Jamie's not going to say that these guys are absolute must-starts.
But Jamie, give me three players that you are feeling this week.
I'll start with the start of the week.
That's Gino Smith.
So expecting a big game for him taking on the Bears.
He's coming off an amazing performance fantasy-wise against the commanders
with 289 passing yards and three touchdowns.
And we've seen two of three quarterbacks absolutely light up
defense in different ways.
J.J. McCarthy from really a quarter perspective, but also using his legs,
Jared Goff beat them up for five touchdowns.
I think, I don't know if you'll agree with me, but I think if CD Lamb was healthy,
that Dak Prescott would have had a better game from his perspective.
So I'm excited for Gino to see how he does.
I don't know how many people are going to trust Gino because of Gino, but I would start him
over Baker Mayfield, for example.
I'd start him over Jared Gough.
I start him over Prescott.
I'm trying to think anybody else has, like, prominent.
I would actually start them over my homes, personally.
But I think there's a big opportunity here for Dino Smith.
The other two guys would be two players I'm expecting to get their breakout performances this week.
One would be Matthew Golden, and the other would be Trevionn Henderson.
So we've seen flashes in very small sample sizes, Trevion week one, where he was more involved in the passing game.
But I think the three fumbles, based on the practice support, seemingly they're going to help him.
And then Golden just gets the great opportunity with the matchup against the Cowboys.
I think both rookies will have, not saying much, but their best games to date,
but maybe games that we could look back and say, this was the start of when they were great.
But for Golden and Trevion Henderson, are they in your top 24?
No.
So you still have to be a little bit cautious.
Both would be flex options, as you see if you're watching on YouTube.
And Golden would be a starter for me in three receiver leagues.
So with the potential upside of what can happen, now this could easily be Dantean Wix
or Romeo Dobbs having a big game.
And I think one of them, if not all three of them, could go off this week just based on the matchup.
And if the Packers decide that they're going to let Jordan Love throw the ball maybe close to 30 times, they might not have to.
But I do think there's a big opportunity for Golden.
In the case of Trevion, no, he's not ranked in the top 24, but just in that flex range.
It's actually a pretty good week for running backs.
Would not surprise me if he's better than some guys who have established themselves, at least for this season.
And so he's not far behind, for me at least this week, D'Andre Swift, Javante Williams, David Montgomery.
I just don't like the matchups for those guys this week.
I'm not going to start having Henderson over them yet, but would not surprise me if Henderson's butt.
Henderson Snapshare, I'm sorry, Golden, Golden SnapShare, 48% week one, 59% week two, 71% in week three,
where he had four catches for 52 yards on four targets at Cleveland.
And kind of went out of bounds, surprisingly, when he might have had an even bigger
game gain on a deep ball heath give me three players you love so the first two i love the second
the third one i'm just starting again i mean i love him but i don't necessarily love him this week
i'm still starting him uh the first one is jordan love yes for players i love how about one named love
facing the dallas cowboys um the obvious concern is will he throw more than 30 pass attempts
the great thing is against the cowboys you may not need to throw more than 30 passes
It's been one of the worst friendliest defenses to almost all positions in fantasy.
They're getting a little bit healthier.
I don't think that's going to be enough to make them good.
I do have Love as a top six quarterback this week.
We all have them as a top nine quarterback this week.
I think we were talking on Sunday night.
We were a little bit concerned.
This is the get right game for Jordan Love and the passing game.
You may have to go away from them after this, but you can start in this week.
All right.
And then Trey Benson tonight.
Trey Benson tonight.
Listen, it's a bad matchup.
And I have downgraded Trey Benson's rushing efficiency, which has been spectacular so far this year.
But I still expect him to have enough targets and to do enough against the Seahawks defense that he's a top 15 running back.
And I'm still starting Harold Fannin.
I understand the sequencing of his targets feels a lot worse than somebody like Mark Andrews or
somebody like T.J. Hawkinson because their best game was this week and his best game was
week one. But Mark Andrews did do that against the Lions defense that Harold Fanon is getting
ready to face. Vegas has absolutely zero fears about the Browns defense for this Lions offense. They
still have, I think, an implied total of 27. So I think we're going to see a lot of pass attempts
for the Browns. And Fanon still has a 15 percent target share on the year. If you're throwing
40 passes a game.
That's six or seven targets a game for Fanon.
And hopefully he can make, he broke a couple tackles in their most recent game.
Let's break a couple tackles and get into the end zone.
All right.
So you're saying that Vegas doesn't seem to have a lot of fear for the Lions offense against the Browns.
And if we transition to, and just to recap, Heath's players to start,
where Jordan Love, Trey Benson, Harold Fanon, transition to your players to avoid.
You do have Jared Gough on there.
Well, the Lions did just score, what, 38 points with Jared Gough.
scoring 14 fantasy
points. This I think is
probably like if there's the thing
I'm most excited to watch
this week is the
lion's offense against the Browns defense
just because
of how good both of those
units are and it looks like I'm actually the highest
on Jared Gough but I
just don't know that I'm going to start any
quarterbacks against the Browns. All right.
Goff 16th for you. The
Lions averaged
34.6 offensive points
game at home last year. And this year, 52 points in their one home game. So they are so good
in their building. But I don't think they face a defense quite like Cleveland's last year at home.
You also are sitting trying to avoid Tony Pollard and T.J. Hawkinson, Pollard at Houston,
Hawkinson against Pittsburgh. So I think there's a big group of running backs in the RB 22 to 29 range
that we're going to have to make decisions about in Swift and Tony Pollard are certainly in that group.
They're both kind of borderline start sits for me.
Pollard may be the one that scares me the most.
I think they're implied total right now is 15 and a half.
Just do not have a lot of hope that the Titans get the offense going
and don't think that Pollard has very good touchdown odds
or enough of a role in the passing game to make him somebody you want to start
in what looks like a very low-scoring game.
I thought the usage for T.J. Hawkinson with Carson-Wince was encouraging last week.
but because of the way they're running their offense,
it was still just six targets.
I do think the Steelers getting a little bit healthier
will be better defensively than they have been.
And if they're not,
and the Vikings are just playing from ahead
because I don't think Aaron Rogers
is going to do much against that Vikings defense,
then I don't think they're going to throw that much.
And Jordan Addison's back.
Yeah, that is true.
Okay, so a few questions for you before we get to Jamie's players to avoid.
Would you start Jared Goff or Gino Smith?
Oh, Gino for sure.
that was the easy one would you start
Jordan Love or Gino Smith
Jordan Love for sure
Jamie I'm sorry Jordan Love or Gino Smith
I wouldn't say for sure I would start
love but they're both very close
I would start Gino but if I have love
I would not be dropping love to pick up Gino
would you start Tony Pollard or Trayvion
Henderson
Pollard
I have Pollard ahead
but Jamie mentioned it
and like the only thing I saw was
Henderson was going first
in like the individual running back drills,
which often signifies the starter.
If we get anything else
suggesting that Henderson's getting his first start this week,
it will be Henderson over Pollard for me.
It's razor thin right now,
and I think there's a lot more upside with Henderson
than there is with Pollard.
Great matchup.
I'd like to know for sure that he's getting an increase in touches.
All right, Jamie, three players that you want to avoid this week.
So Baker Mayfield's tough to sit,
and I know he's getting Chris Godwin back, which is awesome,
but I would still be a little bit cautious about him.
He's not a slam dunk must start.
You see, if you're watching on YouTube,
where we have him ranked,
he's borderline starter at best.
Sportsline is basically out on him in one quarterback leagues at 17,
but Heath has him at 13 as do I,
and Dave has him at 12.
So just concerned about Baker this week,
and again, you know, not dropping Baker for Gino Smith,
but I would start Gino Smith over Baker-Mayfield this week
if you're talking about just a one-game sample size.
So last week, under 20 fantasy points, we saw last year when he did not have Mike Evans and Chris Godwin.
He was sort of cobbling his way to getting right around 20 fantasy points.
So I think he can get to that number.
Last week, he was at 19.7, first time since week 13 of last year in the regular season that he was under 20 fantasy points and had one touchdown pass.
So it's a tough matchup.
Philadelphia's defense obviously is still very good, very solid.
They did a good job against Matthew Stafford last week.
He did a fact he threw for two touchdowns.
So I think Baker is just on that cusp of a starter.
It's not a must sit by any stretch, but he's the bust alert and starts it.
Javante Williams is basically the same kind of situation.
They're down to interior offensive linemen with the center and guard,
not being there in Bibi and the rookie.
And now you're taking on a Packers run defense that has obviously been very good,
aside from what Quintan Jutkins does last week.
But this is a very depleted Cowboys offense at this point,
and I think they'll be able to slow down Javante.
And what we saw last week, which could happen again,
is when they were getting blown out in the fourth quarter,
it was Miles Sanders on the field and not Javante Williams.
So I'm not so concerned.
I'm not so confident that Javante will be getting some garbage time production here.
So he's, again, more of a flex play than a number two running back.
And then the third guy, I forgot who I gave you.
Brian Thomas, Jr.
I think at this point is just time to consider him a starter in three receiver leagues
as opposed to two receiver leagues.
There is clearly something going on from a disconnect with his quarterback.
He's dropping the ball.
He's not looking very comfortable anytime he's over the middle of the field.
And now he's facing a 49ers defense that I know it does not have Nick Bosa,
but they still have a very good secondary,
and they're going to make things tough on Brian Thomas.
So at this point, you just have to kind of understand where he's at.
I get it.
Most people are still going to start him.
Two receiver leagues.
I'm out.
Three receiver leagues.
He's still in my lineup.
All right.
Let me tell you guys what's going on on Sunday.
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We actually last week went 11 to 1 p.m.
So we're going to do two different shows, 8.30 to 9.30 a.m. Eastern before the game in Ireland, 830 to 9.30 a.m. We will be live doing the Q&A at YouTube.com slash fantasy football today. And then we're going to take a break. And then we're going to come back from noon to 1.1. So we've got two different shows, 830 to 9.30 a.m. and then noon to 1 p.m. Eastern. We're going to help you set your lineups at YouTube.com slash fantasy football today. So a very different schedule, which we probably will be going from.
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News and notes.
Brock Purdy was limited.
Cam Ward was limited with calf and ankle issues.
We're certainly expecting him.
And Jayden Daniels was limited.
We just don't know yet about Purdy and Daniels will know more tomorrow, most likely.
Running back.
DeAndre Swift limited with a hip injury.
Jacori Kroski merit mispractice.
They're calling it precautionary.
And Zach Charbonnet is questionable.
Did you guys end up ranking him?
Yep.
Okay.
We did.
Okay.
And where did you, so Javante Williams or Ken Walker?
Williams.
Walker for me.
Javante or Charbonnet?
Javante.
Williams.
Okay.
Wide receiver.
Chris Godwin practiced.
Kind of feels like he's going to play this week, but we don't know.
Xavier Worthy practiced in full, which is good.
Tonight, Zay Jones is going to be out.
Terry McLaurin
probably not expecting him at this point
but uncertain
Malik neighbors mis-
Very weird situation right
He's going for a second opinion
But he still might play this week
I don't get that
You can't count on him
They're down playing the second opinion thing
But I feel like they might be
I thought the more troubling thing
Was that he also saw a core muscle specialist
I guess seems like they're not even for sure
What the injury is
Yeah
Oh well so don't count on having Terry McCorme
Clorin, Malik neighbor's missing practice.
Not surprised.
He heard his shoulder late in the game, but I'm expecting, seems like they are expecting him to play.
Devante Adams' mispractice.
He should play.
Teteroa McMillan mispractice with a calf injury.
We're keeping an eye on that one.
Nico Collins sat out.
Alec Pearson, the concussion protocol.
And Ricky Pearsall and Joanne Jennings both missed practice.
So we don't really get too worried until maybe Thursday.
A lot of guys missed practice on Wednesday.
Pearsall said he was not concerned.
Okay.
Well, that's good.
Tight end. Colston Loveland missed practice with a hip injury.
It's just amazing. I'll banged up the 49ers. I can't wrap my head around.
That's wild. Almost every year. Isaiah likely was limited. Brock Bowers practiced in full.
We like to see that. Come on. Come on. Yeah. And Chargers tight end will Dissley miss practice.
I didn't mention this aspect of the Orande Gadsden playing time, but Disley missed last week's game.
And Gadsden didn't play much. He had about a 45% target per route run rate, which is obviously insane.
that was Gadsden
and Harbaugh said
he's earned more playing time
but Disley's injury
opened that door for him
I'm not asking you to do more work
because we will help you
I'll help you
I'll make sure to do this
but this happened with Gadsden
and Jamison Williams
for example last week
the first quarter
scripted early plays
for guys where it looks like
they're going to go crazy
and then they do nothing
the rest of the game
oh is that what happened with Gadsden
well it was most of it was early
in the game.
That's also what happened with R.J. Harvey,
R.J. Harvey had a few targets early in the game.
It kind of looked like they were going to get him involved.
And no.
Let's see what Gadsden did in the third quarter.
He had two targets in the third quarter.
How about the fourth quarter?
Early had two targets, two in the fourth.
Yeah, he had four targets in the second half,
three of them for 19 yards and a first down, but not a touchdown.
Okay, I'm not going to go through all the offensive line stuff.
I'll tell you that Green Bay's offensive line is a little beat up.
Cleveland's offensive line is very beat up.
Not very, but they lost their left tackle for the season.
Their right tackles day to day.
Lane Johnson looks like he's going to play.
Defensively, tonight, Seattle is getting two of three starters at defensive back.
A corner and a safety.
They're getting them back tonight.
Buffalo's pretty beat up, but that could just be.
Well, it's, I mean, they're beat up on the defensive line.
They're on a biweek.
They're taking their time.
Yeah, got the Saints.
Christian Gonzalez might play this week.
Would you take the points?
What's the line?
16 and a half, at least on our site.
I think it's down, I think yesterday at Fanduel came down to 15 and a half, but I would not.
Yeah, me either.
I'd be more likely to take the nine and a half for the Browns than the 15 and a half for the Saints.
Steelers, as Heath mentioned briefly, they're getting a little healthier with Joey Porter Jr.
and Deshawn Elliott, two defensive backs limited in practice,
trending in the right direction for their game against Minnesota.
Derek Stingley for Houston, he's day-to-day.
Indianapolis slot cornerback, Kenny Moore, is out with an Achilles injury,
and DeForest Buckner, defensive tackle.
He missed practice.
Let's see.
Trequan Diggs.
I wrote Stefan Diggs in my notes, and I couldn't remember his brother's name.
Trequan Diggs.
What the hell is his name?
The guy on the Cowboys, Diggs.
Trevon Diggs.
He missed practiced, but Tehran Bland was limited.
Oh, this is the big one.
The Ravens are super beat up on their defensive line.
Namdi Madabuque, they are much better against the run when he plays.
He's out this week and maybe longer.
They seem very concerned about his neck injury, hoping for the best there.
And they have two other defensive linemen, interior defensive linemen,
who are injured right now but have a chance to play.
And linebacker Kyle Van Nuoy missed practice.
So that's the Chiefs matchup.
And also the Eagles are a little beat up on defense.
Pacheco, Pacheco.
Yeah, baby.
It's the week.
No, it's not.
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Yeah.
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All right, let's get to one question from each game after this on fantasy football today.
One question for each game.
We'll start with Baltimore at Kansas City.
Two questions, I guess.
Number one, are you more confident in...
I don't know what he's laughing at.
We'll start with one question for each game.
Here's two questions.
Yeah, well, I just thought of it.
Are you more confident in Mark Andrews or any Chiefs
receiver and two
should this be the game of the week
tomorrow
I'm not really feeling it
no and no
the first question was not yes or no
you're not confident in Mark Andrews
or a Chiefs receiver? No
I am more confident in
starting a Chiefs receiver than I am Mark Andrews
and Mark Andrews
last five games against the Chiefs
I'm guessing bad
bad
likely had that huge game against the Chiefs last year
in week one. This
has a potential, and hopefully it's not.
Hopefully it's a great, exciting game. It has the potential
to be the most boring game of the week.
It'll definitely come down to
a late second play,
field goal, something.
But it
is
potential to be boring.
You know, look, the Ravens' defense is not good right now.
They even said it themselves.
And without Metabuque, without maybe some other interior alignment,
I'm not saying that's going to help the passing game,
but it can help the rushing game.
It can help the passing game.
Lamar Jackson's amazing.
He's never boring.
So I don't know, I don't know if I agree with the assessment.
What's the total of this game?
44.5?
That's not so bad.
No, it's just that I think.
48 and a half, bro.
Oh, 48.5.
Great.
I think we're going to have a lot of long drives.
I worry that the Ravens are just going to get...
I don't think the Ravens are going to get after Patrick Mahomes that much.
Their pass rush is not very good.
But I think they're just going to play so deep
to not let him get the deep balls
that we're going to get a lot of those Mahomes four-yard passes in this game.
Love those.
That's not really Tyquan Thornton's game.
Minnesota's at Pittsburgh.
Well, obviously, Tyquan Thornton's going to be affected by the status of Xavier Worthy.
All right, you know, that's the first game we're going to preview,
so we'll get to that in a bit.
Starter Sit, D.K. Metcalf.
The Vikings have
tell DJ Moore, Drake London, T. Higgins, and Jemar Chase,
fewer than 11 PPR fantasy points,
but they've only seen 41 wide receiver targets in three games.
That's ridiculously low.
Start or sit, D.K. Metcalfe?
Start in three receiver leagues, sit in two receiver leagues.
I would start Michael Pittman, Quentin Johnston.
I'd even start DJ Moore over him.
But he's, what Jamie said.
Would you start Travian Henderson or D.K. Metcalfe?
I'd still start Metcalfe.
we find out for sure Henderson is the starter.
Just give me an inkling.
I don't even need for sure.
Just one more beat writer speculate on it.
And I'm in.
Right now it's Metcalf just barely over Henderson.
Chicago's at Las Vegas.
Potential for a lot of points in this game.
Rank the running backs and wide receivers.
Gentie.
Swift.
All together?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, oh, oh, okay.
O'Dunzee?
O'Donzee.
Myers.
Myers.
Gentie.
Gentie.
Bowers.
And I didn't say him, but sure.
So are we going Swift or we going DJ Moore?
Swift over Moore.
Okay.
Then Tucker.
Swift, Moore, Tucker.
Tucker.
Menongai.
Matt.
Okay.
Burden.
Lobby.
Carolina at New England.
I was going to ask if you're starting a New England running back, but we think we've covered this.
So just listen to the beginning of the show.
Cincinnati at Denver, are you starting any Bengals?
Yes, I'm starting.
Jamar Chase, for sure.
Chase Brown and Higgins are more flex-ish plays than must-start plays.
I would start plays.
I would start Chase Brown over D'Andre Swift and Tony Pollard.
Really?
I would as well.
Really?
Well, I mean, first off, Denver's run defense has been awful.
Has it been awful?
Yeah, well, no.
Oh, yeah.
Well, the last two weeks.
Yep, Jonathan Taylor and Omari and Hampton tore them apart.
So hopefully this.
This is a get-right game for Chase Brown, but there's, I mean, there's no, he's not, not ranked
anywhere close to where he was drafted, for me at least.
Someone asked in the chat, Chase Brown or Trey Benson?
Benson.
Benson.
I'd start Scataboo over Chase Brown this week.
I would, too.
How about David Montgomery or Chase Brown?
Montgomery against Cleveland.
It's Brown for me.
They gave him four or five, five or six targets last week, whatever it was.
They gave him more targets, so that was good.
Jets at Dolphins.
Do we have a potential bonanza here?
I hope so
I mean there's potential for it
you know it's it's too bad defenses
it's obviously offenses that have a lot of question marks
specifically for the Jets who's playing quarterback
because we will hopefully get an answer today
I'm surprised there's been nothing on Justin Fields at all
so
I was thinking about that late last night
and I think it kind of makes like they didn't have to do anything
and this is like you'd like
then the dolphins to have to prepare for both right
for at least a couple days.
What I'm saying is, like, there's no other place that gets the coverage that the Jets and the Giants do.
And, you know, on top of the national guys, like, there's been nothing on, he's progressing through the concussion protocol or he's going to take another week.
Like, it just feels, feels, feels, not fields, feels as if the Jets almost want to play Tara Taylor one more week.
the uh that yeah that i was just going to say the um the the beat riders there have been a little
busy with jackson dirt the here there's there's two different yeah they have different different
sets all right let's move on here uh sorry to one one quick thing the new york jets have more
missed tackles this season than the buccaneers falcons lions and rams combined wow wow great
It's 39 missed tackles in three games.
Start H-Anne.
New Orleans at Buffalo.
Alvin Camara or Chris Olive?
Who would you prefer?
Alave.
Alave and full PPR.
Yeah.
Okay.
And Tennessee at Houston.
Will Tony Pollard finally have a good fantasy game?
I don't think so.
He's a flex.
Texans have been okay against running backs.
they give up 4.13 yards per carry to running backs.
A lot of problems with that Titans' offense, though.
So just one quick thing from yesterday,
I wish I had done more research on this,
but Khalil Shakir was a wide receiver I thought of
that had a high ankle sprain.
It happened just this preseason.
Came back for week one.
I can't really say,
I have not evaluated any Kalil Shakir tape,
but I feel like he's kind of himself.
So we were talking about that yesterday
and it's hard to recover from.
still hoping that for lamb it's more of the moderate or less severe high ankle sprain
I made I made two offers yesterday to try to trade away lamb one I rescinded immediately because
I didn't love it after I sent it um one I don't think's going to happen but there is a team
that is absolutely loaded in a 12 team league that I'm in and I offered lamb for JSN and Ken Walker I'm
fully anticipating getting rejected but at least i made the offer the other one was for same
league was for courtland sutton travion henderson and dalton kinkate that's the one i rescind
because i was like it just doesn't feel great you would have done that or no i didn't love it
oh yeah i mean just i think if you're desperate just getting courtland sutton for cd lamb
isn't the worst thing so just just in in getting jsn would be amazing
So just, I don't need to replace him in that league right away.
So that was where I was like, I want to see how long he's out.
The other one, I would do in a heartbeat.
I put him on the trade block three days ago,
and I've gotten one offer.
It was Quentin Johnston.
It's not that bad of an offer.
I mean, make me a counteroffer.
I've sent some other offers out to other people.
All right.
That's what we lawyers call a counteroffer.
Baltimore's at Kansas City.
Here's your useless stat of the game with a question mark.
Actually, I don't think it is.
The Ravens allow 3.9 yards per carry to running backs with Namdi Madibuque on the field.
That's only 20 carries.
6.2 with him off the field, 50 carries.
What I think is better, what I think is better, more helpful is last year,
they averaged 7 tenths of a yard per carry to running backs more with him off the field.
So it's a big deal for them, but I don't think that means we can have any confidence in a cheap's running back.
So in this game, we're starting Lamar Jackson.
is there any hesitation to start Derek Henry?
I think the only hesitation would be is if you really love Trey Benson
and you really love, you have Jordan Mason,
and there's like such a very narrow path of,
you know,
Hampton's on your team as well.
Like,
you know,
these guys that have the chance to have blowup weeks that are coming out of nowhere,
essentially,
you know,
from injury or,
you know,
surprise performances.
I don't think you get cute with it.
Heath, by the way, since the person that you tried to make your trade-bents and Derek Henry trade with asks every time he gets a trade offer.
And I was very impartial because I'm clearly in the league.
I was just trying to answer from a fantasy analyst perspective.
I thought it was a very fair deal.
And as I said to him, I said, you have to just decide, do you want the better player for this year?
Do you want the better player for a long term?
And he just didn't decide.
It's still sitting in his inbox.
Yes.
All right.
So start Derek Henry.
Starters at Zay Flowers after last week's Dudd.
And still, I gave this stat in week one,
but in his career,
Zay Flowers has scored 13 or more PPR fantasy points
with fewer than seven targets twice in his entire career.
Start or start or Sitt?
Start.
Sorry.
Trey Benson or Zay Flowers?
Flowers.
Flowers.
In full PPR.
I guess.
Starters sit, Mark Andrews.
By the way, 2024, Mark Andrews,
in weeks three and four,
he had a combined zero catches on two targets.
And then he scored nine and a half
for more PPR fantasy points
in 11 of his last 13 regular season games.
So is he about to do that again?
Starters said Andrews against the chiefs
who currently are good against tight ends,
but last year were one of the best matchups.
I think he's a low-end starter.
We'll find out if likely returns,
which could make it messy.
And again, his track record against his team
just has not been great.
I am not, I'm not starting him, but if, like, he's a, he's, there's, from 10 to 15, there's not much distinction.
I personally would rather start Hawkinson because I think the benefit for Hawkinson, despite the fact that the Steelers are getting healthy as Carson wants.
I would rather start Hunter Henry, who's had a better start the season.
I agree.
I agree.
I agree.
I'd really a go-to member of his offense.
I'd still rather start Joanne Johnson.
Um, got a question in chat.
I'd rather start Andrews than Ertz, for example.
So if you've been, you know, going that route, I'd rather have the upside of what Andrews could be.
But still, like, I don't think it's, I just start Kincaid also, person.
All right, can I jump in there?
How many of the guys did you just mention would you start over Travis Kelsey?
Duan Johnson over Kelsey would probably be the only one.
I don't know if I have Henry ranked.
I probably would start Henry over him, too.
I have Henry over Kelsey, too.
Yeah.
Heath has Henry, Heath has Kelsey 12th.
Jamie has him eighth.
Dave has Kelsey 15th.
You know, really...
We did just.
rank Xavier worthy.
And so it's tough.
Yeah, look, obviously he just hasn't been that good.
He had that one broken play against the Chargers
where he scored that touchdown on four targets.
He's had six and seven targets the last two games.
He's had four catches.
It gives you a little bit of a floor.
It's not like he's going to give you a zero.
Well, to your point, if they're going to dink and dunk their way down the field,
that should help him.
And I wonder if the perception is different if he catches the touchdown against the
Eagles as opposed to drops it.
I think they're going to take their shots down the field, too.
I mean, it's just what they've done through three games.
They do a lot of dinking and dunking,
and then Mahomes also take several deep shots.
He doesn't really do much intermediate stuff.
Well, he's smart enough to understand that pass interference helps.
So, you know, they're not afraid to challenge defenses.
Absolutely.
But, you know, he's got, again, he's got the most pass attempts of 20 or more air yards,
I think.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure, this year.
And maybe the most 30 or more air yards, too.
I don't remember, but I think one of the real keys for Kelsey, for Thornton, maybe even
from Arquise Brown, if they're going to dink and dunk, is this, like, early in the week
we get this report that Xavier Worthy is going to come back in a decoy role.
Well, what's the point of a decoy if you're going to leak out that he's going to be in a
decoy role?
Right.
So how are you feeling about what you said you just ranked Xavier Worthy?
Where'd you rank him?
Well, he didn't make my top 48 yet.
Jamie?
He's right around wide receiver 30.
Golden or worthy?
It's a great call.
Right now I have worthy higher,
but I may need to rethink that.
They're the same picture.
It's just the injury, right?
If we had a fully healthy worthy,
he'd be a slam dunk, right?
Correct.
He seems to think he's fine.
Right.
He practiced in full.
There was a report earlier this week.
He's not taking hits in practice.
Are they going to actually subject him to getting hit?
Very true.
He could take one hit to the shoulder and he's out.
Yeah, so there is some risk.
there but there's also a lot of upside here with Worthy because if he's healthier than we think
he goes out there and faces this team that's not great on defense has no pass rush right now
could be pretty good is there any other chiefs receiver you're interested in starting
I would take a flyer on Thornton just because of what he's done the last couple of games but
there's no must start play aside from Worthy in a three receiver league for me how are we
feeling about Mahomes low end starter all right you said
Gino Smith over him.
Yeah.
Jordan Love over him.
Drake May.
And the other thing about when you look at the quarterback rankings this week,
we've not ranked, like we may get Justin Fields back today.
We may get Jaden Daniels back today.
Are you starting Marioita or Tyrod Taylor or Justin Fields over Mahomes?
Well, I would start the commander starter probably over Mahomes.
Yeah, I didn't ask Daniels because I know you would,
but you'd start Marioo over him.
Are you without McLaurin?
Without McLaurin, maybe not.
Probably not.
Not Taylor.
Probably, yes, Fields.
All right.
So low-end starter from Holmes.
Flex option for a chiefs running back,
and would it be Kareem Hunt?
Is he your highest ranked guy?
I think I've got Pacheco just ahead of Hunt.
I think Jamie has Hunt just ahead of Pacheco.
I really don't even want to flex them.
You know, week one.
I'd rather start Nick Chubb.
Week one last year, I know Pacheco didn't have a great rush average against Baltimore because they were a great run defense, but he had 15 carries, 45 yards and a touchdown, two catches for 33 yards.
That's not like, I think it's gone. It's done. I'm just, I'm sad about it.
Okay. You weren't trying to make a point that maybe he's going to get 15 carries in this game because maybe he will, but we just have no.
And like, I don't think they were very happy with him last week. Mahomes was mad at him over the dumb backward path stuff.
because Pacheco, I don't know if you've seen the video.
Yeah.
Oh, I talked about it yesterday, or I think.
It was one of the weirdest plays I've ever seen.
It's like he got knocked out a little bit and didn't know where he was.
And then really, like the other backwards pass where he just throws it forward and ends of the play.
Yeah, I don't know.
It hurt my heart.
I wouldn't play him on a passing down ever again.
Yeah, no, I'm just, I'm reminiscing about the good old days with Isaiah Pacheco.
Would you start a DST in this matchup?
No.
I don't really want to.
I mean, the only thing that was something intriguing,
but I think a lot of it was how the game unfolded,
and it could clearly unfold again.
Like Mara Jackson took seven sacks last week.
Yeah, most sacks in football through three games.
Who's number two?
Ooh, wait, no, that's not true.
He doesn't have the most sacks.
He has the highest sack rate.
Cam Ward is the most.
Minnesota's at Pittsburgh.
This game's in Ireland.
Amazing that number one pick goes to a terrible team
and gets sacked a lot.
It's crazy.
Yeah.
I watch.
like his time to it's not like he's getting sacked right away he's holding the ball for a long time
he is i tried to watch and see who i if i felt like it was on him or his line and i'm not really
sure yes is the answer yeah probably okay minnesota's at pittsburg here we go with oh uh yeah i'm
sorry i'll just move on to this game Minnesota 65 pass attempts in three games fewest in the
NFL they've run the fewest plays in the NFL I mean
They've run 53 fewer plays than Buffalo, Dallas, and New Orleans, who are all tied for the most.
They have had basically a fewer game, one less game than Buffalo, Dallas, and New Orleans, Minnesota.
Okay, so that's what you need to know about them.
Who are the must-start guys in this matchup, Minnesota at Pittsburgh?
Jordan Mason.
And Justin Jefferson, that's it.
Jordan Mason and Justin Jefferson.
All right.
Do we have to do any Jordan Mason's ores?
It means he's a top 10 guy this week.
He's right there.
I would start him over Derek Henry personally, but that's...
I would too.
And full PBR.
Yep.
Well, I mean, even in Nahn, they're the same kind of player.
I don't think you get a ton of receptions for either one.
Right.
You only had 22 pass attempts for Wentz last week, I believe,
and he did not have a single target, Jordan Mason,
but he did run most of the routes for the running backs.
All right, Jefferson, yes.
We got to wait and see with Addison, right?
I would.
I mean, if they're throwing 22 pass attempts or 27 even and eight of them are going to Justin Jefferson, like, it's just not enough for anybody else.
So you guys differ a little bit on Hawkinson?
A little.
All right.
Jamie's a little more optimistic about Hawkinson.
Heath, not so much.
Let's just look at it.
But again, like, and I think Jamie probably agrees with this.
The difference between tight end 11 and 15 or 16 is probably which of those.
guys happened to score at Hedgetown.
Yes.
Okay.
So you'd Fanon, you'd start over Hawkinson, Heath?
I would and Jamie wouldn't.
Jamie would not, but we would start Joanne Johnson over him.
Henry, for sure.
Henry, yes.
Cancate, yes.
Andrews or Hawkinson?
I would go Hawkinson.
I have Andrews, but they're a coin flip.
Okay, we're going to sit Aaron Rogers.
In our draftathon league, so Heath you can go pick them up.
I dropped both Hawkinson and Fanon, who are my two tight.
it ends for Henry. There you go. So Jalen Warren has been pretty good so far. 13.9, 17.4, 13.1
fantasy points. Aaron Rogers is going to keep throwing his running backs. He's been doing that for
a long, many, many years now. So is Jalen, we didn't mention him as a must start. Jamie, how do we
feel about Jalen Warren? I think he's a number two running back. So I would start him over
Giovante Williams this week. I would start him over Tony Pollard this week. I would start him over
DeAndre Swift this week.
I would start him over...
Give me some wide receivers.
You start him over Metcalf?
I'd start him over Metcalf.
I would start him over Jamison Williams.
Jerry, I mean, these are guys
have been better than so.
That's not pretty saying much.
Brian Thomas, Jr.?
I start him over Brian Thomas Jr.
I'm high on Brian Thomas Jr.,
and I still wouldn't start him over.
I think he's a number two running.
I don't think he's a flex.
Yeah, I think that the case for Jalen Warren
is his involvement in the passing game.
The negative for Jalen Warren is this defense is fantastic.
you know so um it's just a tough matchup and i think if you're if you've been starting jalen warren
you continue to start jalen warren like i have so many jalen warren shares i'm not even
remotely thinking about benching him except in our podcast league which we almost made you a trade
off for adam by the way of jalen well like we're sitting jalen warren in a 14 team league like
that's a luxury most people don't have um but there's clinton johnson for jalen warren
no we're not going to do that um we debated we debated we debated offering you jelan warren for lad
McConkey and Todd and I both came to the conclusion, like, let's just sit on our strength
for right now and see if something better presents itself or you get more desperate.
Pretty desperate.
So in any case, Jalen Warren's been as good as advertised for what the expectations were
at this point.
So number two, running back.
Just that's, I think, the only way to say.
You could bring up a lot of examples clearly, but he's a good start.
All right, D.K. Metcalfe.
So week one was actually his, just barely his best game, and he was shadowed by Soss Gardner.
He had 83 yards, 12.3 fantasy points.
Week two, Aaron Rogers had a rough game, and he scored 11 fantasy points, D.K. Metcalf.
And then week three, he scored 12.2 fantasy points.
He had 32 yards and a touchdown on four targets.
Only, I mean, terrible game for Rogers.
Well, only 239 yards.
In two of three games, he's been shadowed by Soss Gardner and Carlton Davis.
So you've heard it already.
He's a number three wide receiver, D.K. Metcalfe.
He is not a must start.
This team is allowed, I don't really know what to make of it.
The Vikings are allowing the fewest fantasy points to wide receivers.
I don't know if they're so great on a per target basis,
but nobody's getting more than five targets, basically, or six targets,
except O'Donzee had nine.
Chase had six.
Drake London had four.
So they're just not getting, again, 41 wide receiver targets against Minnesota in three games.
But you've got to be cautious with McHaff.
You know, I wonder, because so much, like the Vikings have good players, obviously.
I don't want to discredit them.
But so much of what they do defensively is Brian Flores just terrorizing quarterbacks
with his different blitzes and different alignments.
Aaron Rogers isn't good anymore.
But is he, is, you think his veteran, um, not really?
I know where you're going with this, but he's so immobile that that's my concern.
Well, but is he at least have a better idea what they're doing before the snap than
most of the quarterbacks, the Vikings have faced.
Yes, and his, his M.O. has always been, you know, take the play clock down so he can see what he's going to, you know, be facing if he can, you know, dissect it before the snap.
The problem is it's like he doesn't have the assets to help him in that regard.
Like Calvin Austin and Roman Wilson and John Hussmith at this point in his limited use and Pat Friam, like they're not winning a lot of their one-on-one matchups against Minnesota, at least in my opinion.
So, and it's not like D.K. is, you know, quick Twitch guy that's going to, you know, be free on, you know, a blitz pickup, you know, a hot route type situation.
Like, there's just not a lot to love about what the scenario is for Roger. So yes, he will, he will probably see it. But, you know, you're standing in the middle of the road and the, and the truck is coming. You can't get out of the way.
So I was looking the, uh, the teams that scored, I guess 30 points against the,
the Vikings last year were two Jared golf games and a Matthew Stafford game.
Yeah, Rogers, Schaefer has given me this stat.
Rogers against the Vikings last year in London, 29 of 54 for 24 yards on 54 pass attempts
with two touchdowns and three interceptions.
It's just not setting up to be a great game for the Steelers passing game.
Someone asked me in an email, pick two of three, Devante Smith, Jalen Waddle, and D.K. Metcalf.
I said, you know what?
I think I'm sitting Metcalf, and then we just had the consensus rankings up,
and they are back to back to back with Metcalf last on that list.
All right, start the Vikings DST.
Would you start the Steelers DST?
No.
They're a low-end starter for me, assuming that Porter's back.
I don't believe Carson wins is good.
All right.
Let's take a break.
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Chicago at Las Vegas, these two teams have struggled against the past.
They're sixth and seventh worst in passing yards per attempt allowed, but the
Bears' worst touchdown rate in the NFL, 8.6%.
Vegas, middle of the pack.
Here's your, let's have a little hope, stat of the game.
Ashton Genti's first three opponents, this is what they're giving up in terms of yards
per carry to running backs.
2.6, 4.6, 3.1.
It's been a pretty tough schedule, although I think Genti has underperformed that, you know,
that yards per carry in all three matchups.
But the Bears give up 5.3, 4 yards per carry to running back.
So let's keep our fingers crossed.
You guys have Caleb Williams as QB4.
Wow.
We don't have to talk about that.
He is a must start.
D'Andre Swift is what?
He's number two or a flex?
Right around.
Right on the line.
He's a flex for me.
I think he's 24 or 25.
I wonder how hurt he is.
He's getting three carries every,
three catches every game.
Yeah, sometimes it goes for 45 yards
and sometimes it goes for six.
That's true.
I don't know.
I feel like I want to be optimistic about him.
I can't really figure out what the hell is going on here.
Maybe he's just not that good.
He's averaging three and a half yards per carry.
He's had somewhat of it.
He's placed Minnesota, Detroit, and Dallas.
Dallas actually has a very good run defense.
So I think it's been a tough slate for him, too.
Unfortunately, the Raiders have had a good run defense
except for that really fluky 60-yard touchdown run from Jeremy McNichols,
or he was pretty much wrapped up
and then he got away from it.
Other than that, 3.5 yards per carry on every other run to running backs.
Yep.
Mancrossi Merrick got a one-yard touchdown, so.
Yeah, you just expect a lot of points in this game, or you're hoping for a lot of points
anyway.
How do you feel about Genti compared to Swift?
I know you like him better, but how much better?
I think this is going to be Genti's breakout game, which is my kind of only hesitation
with Gino Smith as the start of the week.
But I still think that based on the game flow, those two can be.
both have a big game simultaneously.
I hope it is.
He is, he's an RB2 for me, but not somebody I'm considering benching.
Okay, I'll see if I get some gentie quick.
Go ahead and fire away with some questions in the chat.
The Bears wide receivers, I assume Romo Dunezay is not even a question.
Top 12.
Do you worry about the fact that O'Dunzee has had four touchdowns in three games, but only 37,
128, which is great, and 62 yards.
Does it feel like it's sustainable for him,
or is he two touchdown dependent?
I mean, I just think the fact that he's the go-to guy
in Ben Johnson's offense right now.
Caleb Williams is playing well.
The Raider's secondary stinks.
He's been consistent in finding the end zone,
and there's a receiver problem for fantasy managers right now.
I wouldn't overthink it.
He's currently a wide receiver 3 at 20.9 points per game.
I don't think that's sustainable, but you don't need that to be a top 12 wide receiver.
DJ Moore or Xavier Worthy?
More for me.
I have Worthy ranked higher as I'm now.
Moore's just so tough to trust, like the fact that Caleb Williams is playing so well and he's not getting targets.
Yeah.
Five to six targets in all three games for DJ Moore.
Scored a touchdown last week to get to 12.
508 fantasy points is most of the year.
The Raiders, though, they allow the fourth most fantasy points to wide receivers.
Five wide receivers have scored at least 11.7 PPR fantasy points, and none of them had
more than eight targets.
Some of them had, you know, a lot fewer than that.
But, yeah, they're not good.
So a great matchup.
Would you start at the tight end?
In the Big Burger Dynasty League, I was so thrilled a few months ago when I looked at my receiving
Court, and it was T. Higgins and Jameson Williams and DJ Moore and Rashi Rice.
Yeah, that's how I feel with one of my dynasty leagues where I have Malik Neighbors and
Brian Thomas, Jr. Did not win, yes, did not win in week three. I'll tell you that.
Receiver's been weird, man. I'm assuming we're going to sit the Bears' tight ends.
Yes. All right. I would have interest in Colquemette in a deeper league if there is no
Colston-Levelin, just because there might be a few more targets coming his way.
all right gino smith right now is eighth for jamie seventh for dave and ninth for heath if you missed
the conversation on gino smith rewind to the very top of the show he's the first player we talked
about bears allowing third most fantasy points to quarterbacks let's do some ashton genties
or do we have uh let's see thomas i guess just throw some questions in the chat and i'll get
to them in a little bit uh throw some stars on there and yeah we'll see if we have any gentie ones
but Hampton or Gentie rest of season.
Hampton.
I'm still going to go Gentie.
Travis E.T.N. or Ashton Gentie this week?
Gentie.
Gentie this week.
Reese Hall or Ashton Gentie?
Gentie.
Gentie.
They're very close. These are good questions.
Michael Pittman or Gentie?
Genty.
Min in PPR.
Pitman is at the Rams, so that's a split there, split decision.
All right, we're going to start Bowers.
What do you think about Jacobi Myers?
Heath, you still have Myers in your top 12.
Jamie's got him 20th.
Going right back to him.
I don't have him hiring that?
You had him 20th yesterday.
Let me see if that has changed.
You have him 20th.
Okay.
Dave 21st.
I'll tell you the guys you have in front of Myers.
You have Debo Samuel with the assumption that McLaren's out.
Terry McClure, not Terry McClure,
Teteroa McMillan,
Michael Pittman,
and Zay Flowers.
Yep, he's all,
he's right in that range.
All right, so starting him.
And Tucker?
He is a boom bus number three receiver.
Yep.
Would you start Tucker?
Not right behind,
but in the same,
right behind Marvin Harrison, basically.
Gentie or Benson?
We have a question.
Genty.
I think I have Benson higher.
Tucker or Hunter Henry is a question I just saw.
PPR.
I would go Tucker.
I would go with Henry in full PPR.
Tucker or let's say Javante Williams so we don't love this week.
Javante.
Gentier.
Javante?
No, no, no.
Tucker, Trey Tucker or Javante.
Oh, Javante.
all right from the chat caleb williams or justin herbert i'd go calip i have herbert's just ahead
but they love them both caliph or jaden daniels that's a great one um i would go caleb and i have
to make that call if he plays we're not even ranking daniels yet i've not projected it yet
um so i'm just guessing i'll probably have caleb high
I think just with the idea of if he plays, he's playing with a knee brace,
probably not going to run as much and may not have McLaurin.
Swift or Golden?
Swift.
Swift is definitely safer, but would not surprise me if Golden's better.
DJ Moore or Jerry Judy, half-P-R?
More.
Good luck.
DJ Moore.
Next game is Star Bar Powers and sit the DSTs.
Carolina at New England.
Start of the game for,
Chuba Hubbard here.
The yards per carry
for lead running backs
against New England.
Ashton Genti averaged
two yards per carry.
Devon H.N. 2.7.
Jalen Warren,
2.6.
Also, we'll mention
that Chuba Hubbard was
wide open for
which should have been
a 31-yard touchdown,
but Bryce Young under threw him.
Pass was incomplete last week.
He does.
Yeah.
He might have been throwing
to Teterol McMillan,
who was also kind of in the area.
It was just a bad throw.
And stat of the game
number two,
parentheses, I think this
is true. Hunter Henry just had the second best fantasy game of his career. He scored 29 points
against Pittsburgh. Back in 2019, he scored 30 points also against Pittsburgh, but pretty sure
that's true. All right, how do you feel about Chuba Hubbard? Bryce Young, you guys, it's a good
matchup for Bryce Young. I might DFS him, but you guys are not starting him. He's about 20th.
How do you feel about Chuba Hubbard, Heath? He is behind DeAndre Swift for me. He's just one
spot ahead of Tony Pollard for me, but I don't, I don't love him. You might have to start him,
but he's more of a high end flex for me. I would start him over both those guys. What's the issue
here, Heath? I mean, he hasn't been as good as I would like to see. Rico Dowell's gotten
work at the goal line, and this Patriot's defense has been good against the run and not good
against the past. Now, Christian Gonzalez comes back. I think that if he's back, if he's back,
we might have to put an asterisk
next to all of the,
this is a great matchup for the passing game stats
and the Patriots defense might just be pretty good.
That's something.
Yeah, would that affect your
Tedroa McMillan rankings of Christian Gonzalez plays?
Yes.
I kind of already accounted for that a little bit.
There was, they did say that the plan is for him to play this week.
We'll see if he can actually do it.
But, yeah, he might be a top 12 wide receiver if Gonzalez is ruled out, and he's number
two if he's not.
He's also dealing with his calf injury that we don't know how much it can impact him.
And Jamie, if you want to give a word on Chuba Hubbard, because you do have him, I think,
considerably higher than Heath.
I think just his role in the past game, the fact that this game has a chance to get
a little high scoring, you know, is somewhat encouraging.
So Heath is right.
He has not been great, and he's been saved by his work in the past game, which I do think
is something that's positive and that's not necessarily a negative.
but the Rico Dattle stuff is a little concerning.
You've seen his workload creep up a little bit.
If you remember, we had some of these conversations in the preseason,
like, you know, how much would somebody else take away from it?
And I kept bringing up post-draft, you know, would it be both of Rico Doudal and Trevor E.
E.T.N. You know, could they use both these guys?
No, E.T.N. has been a non-factor, and we kind of knew that right away from the preseason
when they didn't use him or training camp, when his role was sort of defined at that point.
but I think in the case of
it's not just like
he didn't get the touchdown in a blowout situation
because it was a blowout.
That's kind of been his role
in terms of Rico Dada
like he's getting goal on opportunities.
So Heath is right.
You know, he's,
I probably have him ranked a little bit too high,
you know,
I'm thinking about it like as the show's going on,
like Jalen Warren versus
versus Chuba.
I have right now Chuba higher.
I probably need to reverse that in PPR.
You have him 16th.
Heath has him 24th, I believe,
Chuba Hubbard.
is Teterola McMillan a must start?
And I just said that you had ranked ahead of
Jacoby Myers, Jamie,
who we think is pretty much a must start.
So, yeah, Ted...
I will lower McMillan if Gonzalez is playing, yes.
I think, yeah, there's two things for me.
The only way he's going to, like,
fall out of must start territory
is if Christian Gonzalez is back,
and he's still limited late in the week with his calf injury.
He's also a little overrated, I think.
I mean, I'm pretty excited about what we're seeing
just in terms of early career production,
but he's scored fewer than 12 PPR fantasy points in two of three games,
and that's with 8 to 10 targets in each game.
He hasn't caught a touchdown.
I think he's been kind of close, but Bryce Young...
They have an implied total of 18, so they may not score them any time.
I mean, I agree with Jamie.
There's a chance this game turns into a high-scoring game,
but that's not the way that Vegas sees it right now.
All right, we're not going to start Hunter Renfro or anyone else.
We're not going to start a Carolina tight end.
Drake May is pretty much a must start.
Drake May or Gino-Smith?
May for me.
May.
Just Jamie's favorite preseason player versus his start of the week.
How many years has it been that we really didn't think that Carolina's past defense was good?
Oh, yeah.
But they were really good against quarterbacks.
Last year, it was because their run defense was so bad.
And teams didn't really throw on them.
This year, I don't.
I don't know. Trevor Lawrence has scored 12 points. Kyler Murray's 16 points. Michael Pennix, 3.8 points. They allow the fewest fantasy points to quarterbacks. They've allowed the fewest touchdown passes in the NFL and not a rushing touchdown to a quarterback yet. I don't know if May is the outlier to this, but have they faced a good quarterback yet. Lawrence Murray Pennix. I mean, May is definitely the best fantasy quarterback from that group.
I okay but he's you know what may's doing enough good stuff just has to stop those
turnovers but two good games the rushing the last two weeks has been amazing yeah which is what
my hope for him was all along that he would be running all right and the patriots running backs
stevenson or henderson is where for you guys henderson is just outside the top 24 range so
i think right now he's 29 or 30 uh stevenson is not far behind him just with the
potential of him still getting work
because as you noted Adam I think
on Sunday that despite
the two fumbles at late in the game
they went back to him. Yeah.
And that's why even if Henderson
starts, they say he is starting
I'm not going to fully buy in
yet. I really... Well, if we
were fully buying in,
we wouldn't even be talking about whether we're going to
start him or not. Well, let's also
he hasn't been that good.
He had 14 touches last week against a Steelers
defense that was really struggling and he turned
into 7.7 PPR fantasy points
with three catches.
So that's the other angle
of it. He had three carries for
10 yards, three carries, whatever, against the
dolphins. I don't... Yeah.
I believe
in him. I know we believe in him, but he hasn't
done enough yet.
I don't know. Look, it could be a
breakout game. It could be on your bench, but it will take
it. We just want some optimism for going
forward. He's not...
I love Heath's optimism of if we get one more
beat writer report that he's going i don't know all in but you're going to you know feel a lot well no it's
just like the running backs who are directly ahead of him like we're talking about tony pollard chuba hubbard
dandre swift chase brown quenchon judkins on the browns like it wouldn't take much to move him up
five spots is what i was saying yeah no no that's i i i recognize that and i'm not far behind you
but i do think like you should have some trepidation of even that scenario like you know
You know Judkins is getting work.
You know powder is getting work.
You know these guys are going to get touches.
And even if the fact that he's the first guy on the field,
he may still get a Gibson drive, a Stevenson drive.
And if those guys get hot, then he's not coming back in.
So that's the risk at this point.
Like, I think it, I think we're a week away from he's better than those guys.
If he gets 20 touches and not even has like,
a breakout game, but just does
enough to say, okay, yeah, he's our guy moving
for it. Sure. Okay,
and you're not starting a Patriots wide receiver, right?
You can't. Yeah.
And they did say that...
Someone will have a good game, but you can't trust him.
Mike Reble said that
they might give Diggs.
The Diggs will start to get more snaps,
but still.
Hunter Henry is 8th or 9th,
depending on who your rankings you're looking at.
So he's a good start this week.
Carolina against tight ends,
whatever, kind of average.
I give up the eighth most points, but that's so early.
So Henry, we said over Andrews and Kelsey, right?
Hawkinson.
Yes.
Yes.
Yep.
Okay.
Laporta or Henry?
Henry.
Okay.
La Porta.
I got La Porta.
Okay.
See if I have any questions here.
Tedero, McMillan, or a mecca, Abuca?
I would plan on a buca.
Bucca.
I saw one.
Tederole McMillan.
or Marvin Harrison, Jr.
There it is.
Ted Ruh.
Unless McMillan does not practice today,
and I know he said he's going to play,
but still, like.
You like the DSDs in this game?
No.
Not really.
All right.
Cincinnati at Denver.
We're going to sit Jake Browning.
Just, you know,
to put things in a little bit of perspective,
it was probably the worst game
of Jake Browning's career last week.
The Vikings had the tendency to do that.
I don't think it's going to get any easier
this week against Denver.
But, you know, it was really, it was hopefully a low point for Jake Browning.
Okay, Chase Brown is a number two running back.
He's certainly not a must start.
He's actually kind of closer to a flex.
He did have a nice target bounce back last week with four catches, but man, he's just been horrible.
So I think we've talked about him enough.
Jamar Chase, I can check the updated rankings because this is, Chase is third for Heath, 13th for Jay
me and 12 for Dave.
I am a little stunned by that.
Going up to Denver,
Jamar Chase is third for you.
I don't think defense has really mattered to Jamar Chase.
And he's been awesome with Jake Browning for like 80% of their sample together.
I don't really agree with that, unfortunately.
Because they have three games.
Okay, you have to do just the Higgins games.
So we're now...
I haven't days or Saturday.
Well, yeah, it's a big deal.
We're now five games.
of Browning, Chase, and Higgins.
And Chase has had two good games,
including week two of this season.
So I'm still optimistic
because I think two years ago, like I keep saying,
they threw to Tyler Boyd a lot,
they threw to Tanner Hudson.
Most importantly, Dave and Jamie Heaven where?
12th and 13th.
Okay, we'll move on, we'll move on.
Start or sit T. Higgins.
That's it.
Start and three receiver leagues
sit in two receiver leagues.
Yeah.
Higgins or Trey Tucker.
Still Higgins.
I think I have Higgins one spot higher.
Higgins or Cam Scadaboo.
Scadaboo.
Okay.
This is the trap we fall into too many times in our job and as fantasy players.
You drafted this guy in round two or round three.
There's still the upside of him with one big play.
He had a 42-yard touchdown catch with Jake Browning.
And you're looking at Trey Tucker coming off back-to-back games with eight plus target.
it's taking on the bears.
And so the numbers will tell you it should be Trey Tucker.
The player will tell you it should be T. Higgins.
What are you going to do?
What are you going to do?
Yeah, pop quiz hot shot.
Yep.
I'd start Higgins because if Bowers gets back to being himself,
we just don't know when that's going to happen,
but he practiced in full.
I think that's going to end up being pretty bad news for Trey Tucker.
So, let's go to the Cincinnati tight ends with Noah Fant dealing with a concussion.
I will say this, though, like Quentin Johnston is starting over to Higgins.
Yeah, and Keenan Allen, right?
Correct.
Any interesting Gassiki, if fans out?
Not really.
I just hope not really.
I think I gave the stat yesterday, but like a third of Browning's target.
this year have gone to tight ends.
That ain't to stop.
But you said that the Broncos, I mean, look, Tyler Warren, seven targets,
O'Ronday Gadsden's seven targets.
And they get the most tight end targets last year?
They had the fifth most tight end targets last year.
I actually, unfortunately, I think last week they didn't just throw to Gassiki or they threw
some other tight ends in there too.
Drew Sample through the first two weeks had actually played more snaps than Fant or Gassiki.
All right.
How do you feel about Bo Nix this week against the Bengals?
I think Dave would call it a Joe Boo game.
Yeah.
He's ranked 10th or 11th for me.
I think he's sixth for Jamie and Dave.
So Bo Nix is a chart.
Joe Bo game.
Joe Bo.
Love it.
Bo Nix or Gino Smith?
Gino.
Nix.
Are you starting J.K. Dobbins with confidence?
We've talked about guys like Chase Brown and Dandre Swift and all these guys we have questions about
is Dobbins ahead of that group?
Yes.
I need to move Dobbins up a little bit.
I think I've got him a little bit too low.
I did.
So I'll have him out of Brown, yes.
Okay.
Jamie's got him 17th, Dave 14th, and Heath is going to move him up.
Do you think he'll be in the top 20 for you?
Probably like 20 to 22.
All right.
Dobbins or Benson?
Benson.
I would go Dobbins.
Sid Harvey, start Sutton.
Any interest in Franklin or Mims?
Franklin's still over memes for me, but desperation at best.
And Denver's DST is top two.
The Jets are at the Dolphins.
Miami is 12th and yards per play,
but they've run the second fewest plays in football,
and it's really because of their defense.
Their defense can't get off the field.
They have the second,
worst, third down defense.
They stink, but their offense is doing some promising things.
In this game, are you going to start the Jets quarterback?
I would feel more confident if it was Fields, but this is, again, I think I said it yesterday.
Like there's a group of quarterbacks that have the chance to play well that aren't going to be in a lot of lineups.
And Terad Taylor is one of them.
And Fields probably will be as well.
But there's, again, player situation versus guy that could struggle that you always start because he's been your guy or you don't want to make a move.
So, Tua, Taylor, Darnold, I'm trying to think who else is in this category.
I put once there, like, there's just a handful of quarterbacks here that have a chance to play well.
Okay.
But the thing is, if Justin Fields were healthy and he were facing the Miami Dolphins,
I feel like he'd be a top five quarterback for you guys.
I think it'll be top 12 for me if he's, if he's flag.
Yeah.
I'll probably start him.
Yes.
All right.
As a last check that he was 82% rostered, Justin Fields.
So you might be able to pick him up.
I know he's not the most polished quarterback,
but he still has huge games,
including week one against Pittsburgh.
Jets running backs, it's really just Breeze Hall at this point.
Breeze Hall or J.K. Dobbins?
Hall.
All right.
Look, if you have a jet, this is the week to start.
If you can't start your jets against the dolphins,
who can you start your jets against?
Just the Cowboys?
I don't know if they're playing the Cowboys.
They're not.
Garrett Wilson is a start
and Jets' tight ends
or sits.
Too,
we're talking about Lois,
you know,
he's like around 15th or so.
I really want to move him higher.
I wish that this line was a little bit higher.
It's only like 24 and a half
because this one seems like it could be a bonanza.
So I'd like to get toua a little bit higher.
I think the dolphins win this game.
I think the dolphins show up win this game
and everyone's happy.
They lose.
on prime time, he might get fired.
Yeah.
Start A. Chan, start Tyreek Hill.
How do we feel about Jalen Waddle?
He's a high-end number three receiver.
I was expecting the, I think Jamie said it three times already, and still fits.
Sit him in two wide receiver league, start him in three.
So kind of interesting with the Jets.
Now, Soss Gardner, we haven't had an update on.
He's in the concussion protocol.
But Calvin Austin scored more fantasy.
points in D.K. Metcalfe. No Buffalo wide receiver did anything. A mecca Bucca was better than
Mike Evans. I would imagine Gardner's going to be on Tyreek Hill. I went back and looked at the
history of those two guys in Miami. Tyree Kills had two awful games against the Jets, but guess who was
the quarterback, Skyler Thompson. And then he had nine catches, 102 yards, and a touchdown at the Jets
in 2023 with Tua, but none of that production came against Sauce Gardner. So, uh, I,
Does these rankings of Hill and Waddle change based on Gardner's availability?
I saw he said he was going to play.
That doesn't mean the team will allow him to play.
Then you go back in the game?
I'm not sure.
I thought he was, maybe he's not in the protocol.
I haven't seen anything on him, so probably he's fine, I guess.
We'll get more today.
Everything is just quiet with the jet.
It's crazy.
I would still, are you saying start, Tyree Kill?
I said start Tyreek Hill, but maybe I shouldn't be so so cavalier about it.
You know, Metcalf struggled against, what's his name, Gardner.
Evans struggled against Gardner.
He did have a touchdown, but didn't come on Sauce Gardner.
So I don't know.
Maybe I'm being, maybe we need to evaluate this.
I would still start, Tyreek.
There's so much pre-snap motion for him that it's, they'll find ways to get him open.
And you said this, he's still getting open.
This is not going to be a game where two is under such.
duress like he has been he'll be able to have some time to throw the ball so he hasn't been he he has
actually had more time to throw the ball than any year of his career he's at the highest time to
throw of his career he did get he was you're right about last week he was under a duress a lot the other
two weeks not so much hasn't been the issue for him you just been really inaccurate you know
what worries me a little bit guys is darren waller going to play i think darren waller's going to play
in this game yeah that could be four or five targets that aren't usually going to tight ends
You really want to make Darren Waller think.
No, I don't.
It's not bad.
I don't know why DeR.
I don't know why DeR.
I can't do what John O'Smith did last year.
No, well, he can't.
He could.
He did the last time he played with Daniel Jones.
He basically did exactly what John Smith did last year.
My favorite thing ever, I don't think I've ever said this, is whenever Adam's shoulders get high.
The voice gets high.
No, it's not your arms.
Of course he can.
Why would you be able to do it?
Of course he can do it.
Like Frank and Adam.
Like Frankenstein.
All right.
We're not starting a DST in this game.
Saints are at the Bills.
It's not exactly start them all sitem all.
I mean, in fact, it's not even close to that
because I'm assuming you're not going to want to start
a Bill's wide receiver, right?
I still prefer Shakir over Coleman,
but this could easily be a Coleman breakout game.
Kincaid is my favorite pass catcher for Buffalo,
and it's just what they are.
Like, you're starting Josh Allen,
and you're starting James Cook with confidence,
and that's really it.
That's six or six.
six seven six seven six seven you finally figured out i messed it up damn it yeah six seven
okay sorry you're starting josh allen and james cook and then yeah how about kincaid or
fanon kincaid or henry kincade or henry kenkate or henry kincade or waler l-oh
just kidding cancade or andrews um
Um, Kincaid.
Cancade.
All right.
Camara or Chase Brown?
Camar.
I have Camara one spot higher.
Can they just trade them already?
Camara, so the bills are giving up 5.56 yards per carry to running backs.
A lot of that is Derek Henry.
He had 18 carries for 169 yards and two touchdowns.
A. Chan, average five yards per carry.
Breeze Hall struggled.
So I don't know how good.
But remember, they don't have Ed Oliver right now.
Probably not Matt Milano.
We'll see what the injury report is.
Does he play in the second half?
Yeah.
He's got two, six, and two targets in three games, Alvin Camara.
So he's kind of a low-end number two running back.
Where do we want to see Camara go?
Chiefs?
Chiefs would be ideal.
The hair would fit in the backfield.
We are talking about a running back who hasn't had a 30-yard carry since, what,
2020 or something like
also fits in the backfield
Chris Olavé is
whoa what do you got
you got him 19th in PPR Heath
well I was just looking at this
and I think
like however you want to rank him
there should be a big difference
between how you rank him
and non-PPR in full
and I think we all have them around
25 to 30 and non
he's getting
all the targets we could want
he's probably going to have 10 targets
he's probably going to catch
be among the top 10 and catches
7 for 50 pencil in he's a new end up
Wondell Robinson
he's got a career low in yak
he's averaging 2.1 yak per catch
that's insane he's going to do better than that
but not much better he's not a great yak guy
but he's got a lower a dot this year I think so he should have
more yak who's the second best wide receiver
in this game
The second best wide receiver in this game, I would take Khalil Shakir.
There is not another wide receiver in this game in my top 48.
No, Rashid Sheet.
I'll take Rashidt Sheet.
We are right back, like, that week one was so awesome for this passing game.
In the last two games, they've played two basically bad teams,
and Josh Allen's thrown 25 and 20.
eight pass attempts.
They ran a ton of plays week one
because they were chasing the score
and running this really fun offense
and they get ahead
and it's right back to extremely low play volume.
They're still the bills
and they're 15.5 point favorites.
Yeah.
Okay. And start their DST.
Oh, Joanne Johnson is a must start.
What is bigger?
The bill's margin of victory
or Josh Allen's passetums.
Alan's pass attempts.
By a nose.
Tennessee's at Houston.
It's that of the game number one.
A reminder for you.
Houston traded a 2026 third round pick
to move into the fourth round
to select Woody Marks.
And he has played seven,
13, and 30 snaps.
Jamie highlighted this on the Waver Wire show.
He also had two targets in week three
after getting one target in the first two games combined.
So my point is,
they obviously invested in this guy.
He's 49% rostered.
Probably not going to be that great,
but this might be your last chance
to get Woody Marks.
Buy weeks are coming up.
Maybe he's getting a bigger role.
Maybe.
I'm not saying he is.
I'm excited by Woody Marks,
snap share.
The only problem is
Nick Chubb has played 50, 53,
and 52% of the snaps.
His snaps have not been affected
by Woody Marks playing more.
They just vanquished
Damien Pierce
And Dari, I think, is playing a little less.
Darryoam Bwali did not play on offense at all last week.
And so I think in the case of what you're hoping for for Woody Marks is that he starts to impress in his opportunities.
Right.
And that cuts into Nick Chubb.
Let's face it, Nick Chub has not been able to stay healthy each of the last two seasons,
one devastating the injury and then the broken foot.
And so can he hold up behind this offensive line where he's taking a lot of hits and the workload that he's still getting?
getting at this point, I think the clear problem is that Woody Marx is not going to make
this a better running situation. He will potentially be better than Nick Chubb in this terrible
running situation, which may lead to a flex opportunity. So to your point, Adam, he should be
rostered in much more leagues than he is just with the potential of what he could be. But look,
there's no there's no fixing what the problem is here. It's not a Nick Chub problem per se. It's just
a Houston, Texas problem. So Tennessee is Houston. Who are the must start guys in
this game?
Nico Collins.
Next game, please.
Who are the sleepers in this game?
Christian Kirk, I think, is in the conversation.
Iommander is in this conversation.
You can still put Riddley here.
Who do you like better?
Iommander or Kirk.
Let me give you one stat on Kirk here.
He had eight targets in week one, very encouraging.
Four of them came on the last possession of the game.
They were playing catch-up and nearly scored, I think, through an interception.
but he only had four targets before that drive.
So who do you like better?
Iow Manor, who leads Tennessee in Red Zone, Green Zone, and Ed Zone targets, or Christian Kirk?
Iow Manor.
How about Calvin Ridley or Christian Kirk?
I think I have them back to back with just the still upside of what Ridley could be one spot ahead,
especially with Stainley, not expected to play.
Okay, in my one league where I drafted a whole bunch of running backs that I thought were going to be good but are actually terrible.
I am still starting Tony Pollard over Pacheco and R.J. Harvey.
an easy call.
Yep.
But Pacheco or...
You mean Pollard.
Yeah, Pollard or...
We don't need to do any Pachco.
Pollard or James.
Pollard.
Pollard.
Pollard or...
Texas run defense has not been great.
No.
I feel like it's been one game, though.
Am I wrong about that?
So, Kairn Williams had 18 for 66.
3.7 yards per carry.
Rashad White was really good.
Bucky Irving was 4.2 yards per carry.
E.N. and Bachel Tootin were both 3.5 yards per carry last week.
Yeah, and E.TN would have been even worse than that, but they let him score.
Man, that's actually so mad.
No, they 100% let him score.
We think, we think.
No, they let him score.
Have they said so?
Have you heard one person say it?
The announcers.
I heard Adam Aides or said it.
You're so mad about that.
Pollard is, no, it was the right move.
I was happy about it.
It was good.
It was good for Nico and Christian Kirk.
You still convinced the Bucks Lent Chubb score from 30 yards out?
No, it wouldn't have really made sense
because they still had the two-minute warning
in all three of their timeouts,
but it was some really poor effort.
I am not convinced that it didn't happen.
Put it that way.
Double negative.
You know how I know you're not convinced?
Yeah, your shoulders stay down.
Do you think the Giants let Cream Hunt score last week?
I don't think so.
Oh, man.
Okay.
That's it for today show.
I'd like to ask Allie if when you guys get an argument, like when you know you're right, your shoulders probably do this.
And then when you know you're wrong, you probably just naturally.
Well, I cannot remember the last argument I got into with her.
It must be nice.
Do you learn your lesson?
2024, I'd say.
No, we just never.
We average less than one fight per year.
Very proud of that.
Oh, you Azerstat of that one.
For sure.
No, no, I did it.
See, in her mind, it's probably 50 fights.
No, not at all.
She's like, I can tell you about three fights we've had.
She just didn't know.
What did she correct me on yesterday?
Oh, so correcting you is not an argument.
Something I was doing, was it with cooking?
Oh, yeah, I was a little sloppy with the cassidia making yesterday.
That's about as bad as it gets at my house.
You should probably put some cheese on the edge there or something like that.
Very lucky, very lucky man.
All right, that's it for today's show.
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