Fantasy Football Today - Start or Sit (AFC): Steelers RBs, Broncos WRs, All Bills (11/10 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: November 10, 2022

We check in on the Falcons-Panthers game with a weather update and the impact that Chuba Hubbard will have on the Fantasy rankings. Then Jamey and Heath tell you who they love (5:00) and who they are... avoiding (8:50). Is this the week that Tom Brady gets going? Should we avoid Dak Prescott? Justin Herbert? ... News and notes (13:22) with a Jonathan Taylor update and more. Then we've got One Question for Each Game (18:30). How much do we trust the Steelers this week? What about the Bills with or without Josh Allen? Should you start Jonathan Taylor if he plays? Amari Cooper on the road? ... Start or Sit for Vikings-Bills (25:35), Chargers-49ers (35:00), Saints-Steelers (43:30), Jaguars-Chiefs (52:05), Colts-Raiders (58:50), Titans-Broncos (1:05:15) and Browns-Dolphins (1:11:30) ... Email us at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @ctowerscbs Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Get 20% off Fantasy Football Today merch: https://store.cbssports.com/collections/fantasy-football-today%20?utm_source=podcast-apple-com&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=buy-our-merch&utm_content=fantasy-football-collection Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:37 Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. Welcome to Week 10, everybody. Thursday episode for you here of Fantasy Football. Today we're looking at six AFC home games plus Sunday night football. Los Angeles Chargers at the 49ers. So can we trust any Steelers this week? How about the Bills if they don't have Josh Allen? How about Trevor Lawrence in a good matchup at Kansas City?
Starting point is 00:02:02 We'll talk about all of it. Oh, what about Jonathan Taylor? What if he plays this week against the Raiders? We've had a surprisingly good run defense this year. Adam Azer with Heath Cummings and Jamie Eisenberg. Good morning, guys. Your enthusiasm level, 0-10 enthusiasm-o-meter for tonight's game, Atlanta and Carolina. The football game, so 10. Nah 10 now come on nobody's buying that yeah i'm
Starting point is 00:02:29 getting more enthusiastic as the weather looks like it might get worse and worse maybe they'll just run and we'll be done about 11 15 and post game will be over earlier that'd be nice i think 11 15 is pretty typical for an end no i don't know let's aim for like 11 05 let's cut 10 minutes off of it hey 10 45 be fantastic but we do need to talk about the weather there and that's the first thing we'll talk about then we'll give you the players we love the players that we are not supposed to be bad so that's what i've seen as well yeah last night i saw some that was going to be like 20 mile per hour wind but now it looks like 10 11 mile mile per hour wind, but a lot of rain. There was a weatherman in the area saying 30, but right now the forecast shows 10 to 15.
Starting point is 00:03:11 I think it's just going to be rainy. I'm looking at Fantasy Football Weather Guys. You should follow them at FF Weather Guys. And it says 10 mile an hour winds. We don't care about that, but what about all the rain? Is that going to change anything? And then we got to talk about Chuba Hubbard because we,
Starting point is 00:03:28 just to, you know, he's going to play, it seems. So let's just update everybody on Carolina, Atlanta, one last time. Heath, you got two running backs now in the backfield. We got a lot of rain.
Starting point is 00:03:38 You know, does that mean anything for DJ Moore? What do you think about this game now? Full PPR, I've got Deontay Foreman at RB23, Chuba Hubbard at RB32.
Starting point is 00:03:51 Non-PPR, Foreman's higher, Hubbard's lower. DJ Moore is a high end number three wide receiver. Right around wide receiver 25 or 26 for me. And I think I have Pitt that tied in 12. 26 for me. And I
Starting point is 00:04:05 think I have Pitt that tied in 12. If it's pouring tonight, are we just going to say, all right, I'm sitting DJ Moore? I mean, it depends what you have, obviously. Rain helps the offense.
Starting point is 00:04:24 Sometimes, but I don't know. I mean, the weather's so hard. rain helps the offense sometimes but I don't know I mean it's the weather's so hard looking at the forecast it's not like they're projecting to get two tenths of an inch per hour and it's going to 100% rain the entire time there's like a 60% chance every hour and it's like
Starting point is 00:04:39 a hundredth of an inch two hundredths of an inch like I don't think it's going to pour through the entire game if you told me that was the case, I could see moving DJ Moore down to the wide receiver 33 range, but he's probably not going to get outside of my top 36. There's just not that many good wide receivers. Okay. And that is your weather update for Carolina and Atlanta.
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Starting point is 00:06:15 Jamie's muted. He loves the mute button. I was trying not to be rude. I love Tommy this week. Tom Brady, I think, is going to have another big game internationally internationally do you know that he is uh three and oh in international play do you know that he has passed for over 300 yards in three international games do you know that he has thrown three touchdowns in every international game that he's played and do you know this is a fun one that he is 258 yards away from becoming the quarterback with the most yards in international play. Do you know who number one is?
Starting point is 00:06:50 Blake Bortles. Blake Bortles. Man, I'm just my Jeopardy Street continues. Yes. He's only played three. But I think, you know, you start to see some signs of life. We've talked about this. I don't think the Seahawks secondary while they played fantastic is going to
Starting point is 00:07:04 completely shut out the Bucs. He has now gone seven straight games with 40 or more pass attempts. I think that's going to continue. Three of those, he's been over 300 yards. I think he's going to be over 300 yards, and I think he gets multiple touchdowns. So that's been the thing that's escaped him. He's only done that once.
Starting point is 00:07:17 I think he will now do that twice and now get close to a top five finish based on how the quarterback play looks this week, but an easy top 10 finish, and I have him ranked number six right now. Okay, Tom Brady, number six ahead of... And he would be number five if Josh Allen doesn't play. Behind Tua, behind...
Starting point is 00:07:34 He could be number three if Kyler doesn't play. Well, you have him ahead of them anyway. But you do have him ahead of them. Josh Allen's up. And you have him ahead of Geno. Heath, who do you like better in that game? Gino Smith or Tom Brady? Tom Brady. And I agree with pretty much everything Jamie said.
Starting point is 00:07:49 I had him, I think a spot or two lower before I got the hint of who the start of the week was going to be. And I like he is the type of player that my projections will say one thing and I'll pull him back a little bit because the projections are just screaming. He's not going to have a two.5% touchdown rate all season long. The guy is first in the NFL in completions and attempts. He's second in passing yards. The only reason he's been a terrible fantasy quarterback
Starting point is 00:08:13 is because his touchdown rate is less than half of his career norm. The touchdowns are coming. Bet on regression. Every week we say, oh, what's wrong with Tom Brady? We outline all these things. His receivers are dropping a lot of balls. They have no run game. Their offense is kind of crummy.
Starting point is 00:08:32 Godwin's not himself. I can't say the only thing that's going wrong is touchdown rate here. Statistically, if he had a touchdown rate that he normally has, or a touchdown rate that's the same as his worst rate in his career just a 3.9 touchdown rate he would be a top 10 quarterback if he's if he's throwing two touchdowns on a weekly basis
Starting point is 00:08:52 yep yeah okay he's a top five guy i'm not saying that okay i want to clarify doing that i'm not saying that the touchdown rate thing is entirely luck. I am saying that bad quarterbacks, rookie quarterbacks, terrible quarterbacks do not have a 2.5% touchdown rate for an entire season. Yeah, all right. Even if they're bad, it should be higher than it is. Okay, let's start Tom Brady. Let's trade McCaffrey for Brady uh heath who do you love this week
Starting point is 00:09:27 that's brilliant i was going to say chris godwin but he's tied to tom brady so i will try to think of someone besides those guys i've got one scores his first touchdown this week 100 maybe two maybe two but he definitely scores his first touchdown this week um i i'm kind of starting to love the jegs uh the chiefs have been terrible against quarterbacks they've been terrible against past catching running backs they haven't been very good against wide receivers or tight ends i think this could be a week where you see trevor lawrence travis etn christian kirk and evan ingram all four finishes top 12 options. Oh, okay. Let's go to players to avoid. Jamie, who are we sitting this week? It's hard to sit him,
Starting point is 00:10:10 but if the receiving core stays the same, Justin Herbert could be in line for another miserable game. I mean, obviously the 49ers defense has been great. Two quarterbacks have beat them up. One was Marcus Mariota, who had 28 points, 11 of which came with his legs. I don't think we're going to see Justin Herbert do that based on how little he's been running since the rib injury.
Starting point is 00:10:26 So you saw last week what it looked like against Atlanta and that defense, which was very beat up secondary. 49ers coming off their bye week should be close to full strength for where they are. I think it's just tough for Herbert. He's got one game over 16 fantasy points in his last four, and he just hasn't looked right. And so take away his top two receivers, tough matchup,
Starting point is 00:10:44 back-to-back games on the road. I just don love the setup for him so maybe he gets some garbage time production falls into some good numbers but 245 one and one against the falcons when he threw 40 attempts when he had 40 attempts excuse me um typically that should be a huge game for herbert he just doesn't look right right now without his top guys okay and uh we'll check in on the 49ers injury report uh because that's the second game i think we'll be looking at today i think we start with the bills and the vikings and then the uh niners and the chargers josh palmer i think is pretty interesting in that game uh for sure you know because it is a much tougher matchup than what they had last week
Starting point is 00:11:19 uh heath ready to avoid someone other than me i I'll stick with the theme from the love segment. I'm pretty scared of the Cowboys passing game. I've talked about this already this week, and there's extenuating factors that maybe it won't be a thing, but the fact that they've just gone so run heavy over the last few weeks, Dak's thrown 27 and 25 passes in his first two games back. They're facing a Packers defense that is awful against the run, and while probably not as good without Gary against the pass,
Starting point is 00:11:53 still I think better against the pass than they were against the run, and don't necessarily have an offense that can put up enough points to cause the Cowboys to throw more than they want to. I am worried that Dak's going to be in that 25 to 27 pass attempt range again. And if you look at his career, the last three years, it's 0.65 or 0.66 fantasy points per pass attempt, including rushing stats and everything. That's what he comes out at exactly over the last three years. This year it's 0.60. So what that means is he's basically got to throw 30 passes for you to expect, more than 30 passes for you to expect 20 fantasy points.
Starting point is 00:12:27 I don't expect him to throw more than 30 passes. I just find it interesting. I asked this yesterday that you like Garoppolo more. I don't see a difference between the two in terms of what the past times will be and the defenses that they're facing. Yeah, there are similarities. The difference for me would be Garoppolo has much better weapons. I think he's going to be more efficient. He's been more efficient so far this year as a passer than Dak has been.
Starting point is 00:12:49 I mean, that's not fair. Dak's played three games. Well, he's been more efficient this year than Dak generally is. He's always efficient. He's always super efficient, yes. He's averaging 31.5 pass attempts per game. That's five more than Dak. Right.
Starting point is 00:13:06 He had two games. Garoppolo's pass attempts have been very, very much tied to San Francisco's defense. And, you know, because the last four games, the Niners have had two pretty bad defensive performances and two good ones, and Garoppolo's had, like, you know, the pass attempts have been up and down. They're facing the Chargers.
Starting point is 00:13:25 Jamie just said he doesn't like Justin Herbert. But let me ask you this. You love Tom Brady. You want to avoid Justin Herbert. What is the difference between the two? Those two teams are... Sorry to pivot away from the Dallas conversation, but those two teams are 1-2 in past attempts.
Starting point is 00:13:42 So I don't think Brady has a huge edge there. Maybe a little bit of an edge. They don't think Brady has a huge edge there. I mean, maybe a little bit of an edge. They don't run much, these two quarterbacks. Herbert, that's a shame for him. Brady, that's expected. What is the difference? Is Seattle a much better matchup than San Francisco, who has been not such a great matchup
Starting point is 00:13:58 since they lost Mosley, or not such a tough matchup since they lost Mosley? Well, how many games has Mosley played? How many games have they played without Mosley with Bosa? One? Maybe two? Two? One was the Chiefs, right? But they still don't have... Eric Armstead didn't practice
Starting point is 00:14:13 yesterday. Ekibon didn't practice yesterday. They're still pretty beat up. I don't know if they're going to get healthy. Greenlaw did. Greenlaw was limited, yes. I have Brady and Herbert almost exactly tied. I mean, Brady has his weapons. Herbert does not.
Starting point is 00:14:28 There's a huge difference. Brady has his weapon. Oh, you're right. That's right. He's got K-Dot in his best play. No, it's just we need a little more Godwin. We need a little more from Godwin. All right, injuries, news, and notes.
Starting point is 00:14:43 Josh Allen missed practice. And reportedly, if Josh Allen missed practice. Reportedly, if Josh Allen misses any time, it would be at most one game. It hasn't been catastrophic so far on the injury front for Josh Allen. Matt Ryan was in a non-contact jersey. They're starting Sam Ellinger this week, but Matt Ryan's still
Starting point is 00:15:00 hurt, but making progress. Ryan Tannehill was limited, hoping to get back out there against the Broncos. And then in the Rams-Cardinals game, both quarterbacks questionable. Kyler Murray has a hamstring injury, and Stafford's in the concussion protocol, but I don't think he has been officially diagnosed
Starting point is 00:15:15 with a concussion yet. So, we'll keep an eye on Stafford and Murray, and we'll look at that game tomorrow, and hopefully we'll know more. At running back, Jonathan Taylor was limited. Deion Jackson missed practice. Jordan Wilkins is barely rostered right now, something like 3% or 4%.
Starting point is 00:15:30 Ezekiel Elliott says he's going to play, but they're monitoring him. Do you guys have Pollard or Zeke ranked higher? We have not ranked Zeke yet. Okay, if they say he's going to play, who are you going to rank higher this week uh pollard if zeke's a full participant it would be zeke if not it'll be pollard they'll both be low in number two running backs did you see what zeke said yesterday
Starting point is 00:15:55 i think so what did he say uh here's what he said he said i just need to get some rep some more reps just to see where I'm at. I would say there is urgency, but I think what's important is just making sure my knee is good and ready to go. That's the priority. The priority is the long run. I plan to play deep into the playoffs, so the long game is definitely a priority. Translation, he's probably not playing this week. He didn't call Jerry Jones the coach, did he?
Starting point is 00:16:23 Because that does not go. No, all Jerry said was he anticipated him practicing. I called him the coach yesterday and got a nasty email. It was pretty incredible. I mean, I've said that for the whole season. He's the puppeteer. Don't say that. You're going to get the hate mail.
Starting point is 00:16:39 I don't think he will. I don't think that guy's listening anymore. Oh, that's right. He unsubscribed. So he says. You got one bad email and that's going to dictate what you say? No, no. I just thought it was hilarious.
Starting point is 00:16:49 If that was the case, I would have been fired week one. I show. DJ Warren. They used to hate me. Aaron Jones was limited. That's a good sign. Alvin Kamara's legal process has been pushed back to January, so it doesn't seem like he's going to get suspended this year.
Starting point is 00:17:03 We know Jalen Warren could see an increased role, and we know that Chuba Hubbard is likely to play tonight. Wide receiver news. Definitely not in order of importance here. Kenny Galladay expected to play this week against Houston. Traylon Burks plans to play this week. They're activating him. He's 25% rostered. He has
Starting point is 00:17:19 a terrible matchup this week against the Broncos. He has bad matchups, I think, for the next few weeks, but what's your interest level in adding Traylon Burks? terrible matchup this week against the Broncos. He has bad matchups, I think, for the next few weeks. What's your interest level in adding Traylon Burks? I would say if you're in a deeper league and you just want to speculate on someone that has a lot of talent, it's not a bad idea. I mean, there's a lot of frustration coming out of Tennessee
Starting point is 00:17:37 right now about what the receiving game, the passing game looks like. So anything could be a spark there. Tannehill coming back, they're going to have to throw the ball more and better to be a team that they want to be. So not a bad guy to stash if you have an open roster.
Starting point is 00:17:55 Oh, there was some stat about the last time a wide receiver had zero, a team's wide receivers had zero catches. It's been a long time, but it happened to the Titans last week against, or a couple nights ago against Kansas City.
Starting point is 00:18:09 Oh, that was Sunday night. Never mind. So, what, four nights ago, whatever it was. Okay, what else? Russell Gage mispracticed. Mike Evans was limited. Brandon Cooks mispracticed
Starting point is 00:18:17 with a wrist injury, and Nico Collins did practice. So, Nico Collins is 30% rostered. Traylon Burks is 25% rostered. Who would you rather add? Traylon Burks? I mean, if you told me they're both playing, I'd rather start Nico Collins this week.
Starting point is 00:18:37 But if I was stashing one on a bench, I'd rather have Burks. Correct. Keenan Allen mispracticed, and the Jets are moving Elijah Moore to the slot. Does that excite anyone? They're on a buy? He'll get to play more. The starting group?
Starting point is 00:18:54 That unclear. Is he going to move? They love Barrios. Barrios. Jose Barrios. Braxton Barrios. I got it. Jose Berrios. Yeah. Braxton Berrios. Uh, and, uh, David Njoku missed practice.
Starting point is 00:19:10 And Darren Waller was limited. And defensively, still don't know about TJ Watt for Pittsburgh. AJ Terrell, cornerback for the Falcons. He will not play tonight. Tennessee defensive tackle Jeffrey Simmons left practice in a walking boot. That's a big one. He's been dealing with an injury. He's been playing through it, but we'll keep an eye on Jeffrey Simmons,
Starting point is 00:19:27 the run stuffer for the Titans. San Francisco linebacker Dre Greenlaw, as Jamie mentioned, he was limited in practice. Hopefully he gets back out there. Jordan Poyer mispracticed for the Bills. They're star safety. Matt Milano was back. He was limited.
Starting point is 00:19:40 And linebacker Tremaine Edmonds mispracticed, which I think has been a normal thing for him. He's been playing, though. Okay, one question for each game. Let's start with Minnesota at Buffalo. When we preview the game in a few minutes, we'll go through the whole scenario with and without Josh Allen.
Starting point is 00:19:55 But for now, Jamie, Minnesota at Buffalo, are you feeling it? No. No, you're not? He's also hurt. So can we drop him? Not in any leagues where you expect somebody else to pick him up and maybe use him against you.
Starting point is 00:20:14 Full PPR, I would sort him over Gabe Davis. If Josh Allen plays? Yeah. Okay. Los Angeles Chargers at San Francisco. Do you trust Josh Palmer coming off a 100-yard game in a tougher matchup? I mean, look, I said it's not like the toughest matchup,
Starting point is 00:20:33 but it's much better. It's much harder than the Falcons. Must start if Allen or Williams are out. Or if Allen or Williams, or if Allen and Williams are out. Must start if Allen and Williams are out. Low end start if one of them's out. Agreed.
Starting point is 00:20:48 Okay. New Orleans at Pittsburgh. Start any Steelers? Pat Frymouth. I would say in three receiver leagues, you're starting both Deontay Johnson and George Beckins. Over Thielen? In three receiver leagues, you're starting both Deontay Johnson and George Beckins. Over feeling? I'm so torn on what to think of the running back situation there
Starting point is 00:21:10 because I want to see what happens if there's any reports. But at this moment, it's hard to expect him just to go completely away from Najee Harris. Yeah. But if he's splitting, that's bad. Right. Yeah, it's really bad. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:21:33 So are you confidently starting Friar Muth against this team? They have been very good against tight ends. Yeah. Is Werner playing? Oh, that's a good question. I don't know if he's a cover guy. He's their leading tackler.
Starting point is 00:21:50 It's still an absence in the middle of the defense, and Davenport not being there is big. You think the Steelers are going to really handle them in this game, right? If he's a walkway, I think it's going to be an ugly game for the Saints. Pete Werner did not practice for the Saints.
Starting point is 00:22:13 And, okay, next game is Jackson. Oh, I'm sorry. Would you start Pickens and Deontay over Adam Thielen? Yes. I would go Deontay, Thielen, Pickens. I think both guys are going to. I'm very, very curious to see without Claypool there what happens. They were talking this week about how Fryermuth was going to take over
Starting point is 00:22:32 a lot of Claypool's routes, right? Blaming the slot. All right, Jacksonville, Kansas City. This is a weird question, but bear with me. Who is the stardiest of these three guys at their respective positions? Trevor Lawrence, Mecole Hardman, Evan Ingram. Who's the stardiest of these three guys at their respective positions. Trevor Lawrence, Mecole Hardman, Evan Ingram. Who's the stardiest at his respective position? Lawrence, Hardman, Ingram.
Starting point is 00:22:52 Is Hardman playing? Yes. Let's say yes. I would rather start Hardman in a three-receiver league than the other two. In a two-receiver league? In a two-receiver league than the other two? In a two-receiver league? In a two-receiver league, it would be Ingram. Yeah, I think I have Ingram and Lawrence both at 12.
Starting point is 00:23:15 So, probably Ingram. Colts at Raiders. Start or sit Jonathan Taylor if he plays? I would start him. Low end number two. What do you do with Jonathan Taylor versus the running backs tonight?
Starting point is 00:23:35 If he has another limited practice, I would start Foreman over him, and I would start Patterson over him, and that's it. Okay. Denver at Tennessee. Are there any good starts in this game other than Derrick Henry? Jerry Judy.
Starting point is 00:23:53 Dulcich. Greg Dulcich. Not Sutton. I don't know if he's a safe. You said safe or good? Good start. Good. I got to see it again from him.
Starting point is 00:24:05 Yep. I think he's right in the Thiel and Gabe Davis range. Correct. Number three wide receiver. Just not a good start. Yes. Cleveland and Miami. This is the last game we'll get to.
Starting point is 00:24:16 So, you know, if you don't have an hour and 10 minutes to hang around, I'll give you two questions on this game. One is Amari Cooper on the road. He's been terrible on the road. And number two is Kareem Hunt. What do you do with these guys, Jamie? Amari Cooper is the road. He's been terrible on the road. And number two is Kareem Hunt. What do you do with these guys, Jamie? Amari Cooper is a must-start receiver. I think a lot of it is they play a lot of home games,
Starting point is 00:24:36 so his numbers are benefited by him playing at home, but he's benefiting by playing at home. I just trust that he's going to get his targets and his opportunities, and I don't buy this Dolphins secondary, so I think it's going to get his targets and his opportunities, and I don't buy this Dolphin secondary, so I think it's going to be a good game for Cooper. And Hunt is flex play. It's really amazing because it even looks like his matchups have been worse at home in a lot of cases. I'm starting Amari Cooper.
Starting point is 00:25:01 I'm wondering if Xavier Howard is going to shadow him. It wouldn't surprise me, and That would be a bad thing. Is it? Yeah, I think so. He's good. He's good, but I don't know if he's as good as he has been. I don't know. He doesn't do a ton of shadowing, but I think he mostly shadowed
Starting point is 00:25:21 Stephon Diggs, who had a bad game. He did a good job on Deontay Johnson earlier this year. So, all right. And, you know, it's not like Brissette has been worse on the road. Brissette has had one bad road game, two good road games just in terms of yards. It's just really revenge game. It's a revenge game for over Brissette.
Starting point is 00:25:37 Okay. All right. Let's take a break here. When we come back, we'll talk about this Minnesota Buffalo game. There's a lot to discuss here. Is Kirk Cousins a good start? And what do you do with the Bills if Josh Allen does not play? Is it good for Devin Singletary? We'll tell you right after the break on Fantasy Football today. Seven games to talk about.
Starting point is 00:25:54 We start with Minnesota at Buffalo. Buffalo's been struggling against the run. Their run defense was incredible the first six games. Their first six games. And now they've struggled against the Packers and the Jets the last two weeks. I'm sure you're going to start Dalvin Cook either way. All right, we'll start with Minnesota. They're probably a little easier here.
Starting point is 00:26:10 Kirk Cousins, Heath, start or sit? He is a borderline starter. I would prefer Tom Brady. I would still prefer Justin Herbert. He's still ahead of Trevor Lawrence, though. Low end number one could fall outside of my top 12 if the Bills defense got entirely healthy.
Starting point is 00:26:30 If everybody was back, then he's right on that borderline of a top 12 guy. Yeah, you guys all have, you three rankers, Dave, Jamie, and Heath all have Cousins around 10th, 11th, 10th, 9th, whatever, so he's there. Jamie, Herbert also, would you agree Herbert over Cous, 10th, 9th, whatever. So he's there. Jamie Herbert also.
Starting point is 00:26:46 Would you agree Herbert over Cousins? No, I would play Cousins over Herbert. I mean, this is another guy. You want to talk about touchdown regression for Tom Brady. What about for Kirk Cousins? He's got one of the lowest, if not the lowest, touchdown rate of his career. You know? Yeah, I think you should expect more touchdowns from him,
Starting point is 00:27:06 but he's got a 4.3% touchdown rate, which is pretty much within the range of normal outcomes. Like for him to have a normal 5% touchdown rate, you're maybe looking at two more touchdowns. So Cousins, one thing I liked was he was one of the lowest air yards guys per pass attempt in the NFL. Still is, I'm sure.
Starting point is 00:27:29 But first game out of the bye, he threw the ball downfield. They changed it up a little bit, which was nice. Now they face Washington, so that was a much better matchup for that. I don't know. Buffalo is notorious for not giving up big plays, but I would like to see that trend continue. Also, it was his second lowest passer rating game of the season and his yards per attempt were still awful yeah fair enough like i don't i don't
Starting point is 00:27:53 understand it's just it's like that o'connell and him have not fully clicked because he's i mean it's not just the worst touchdown rate it's not quite the worst touchdown rate. It's not quite the worst touchdown rate, but across the board, this is the worst season he's had in Minnesota for sure. Yeah, all right. Let's go to Cook. No questions about Dalvin Cook, right? No. Okay. Justin Jefferson is a start.
Starting point is 00:28:19 Adam Thielen is a number three, four wide receiver. We can compare him with players as we go. We already talked about him a little bit. Buffalo allows the 10th fewest fantasy points to wide receivers, but it's not quite the same matchup that it used to be. Now, I don't know if Tredavious White's
Starting point is 00:28:33 going to play this week. We still don't know about Poyer. I'm not expecting Poyer. You know, they're just, they're not the great secondary, the elite secondary that we've seen in the past right now because they're so injured.
Starting point is 00:28:46 And Hawkinson. Okay, how do you feel about Hawkinson? This one's interesting, Jamie. He's nine targets, caught all of them, 70 yards, great debut, but this team is so good against tight ends. Kelsey crushed them, but that's about it. What do you think about Hawkinson this week?
Starting point is 00:29:01 We're kind of back in the same spot we were last week. A little bit more optimism about Milano, but still the same with Poyer. And Conklin was terrible. Obviously, Conklin is not Hawkinson and Zach Wilson is not Kirk Cousins. And so, you know, I think we'll hopefully get some more challenging opportunity, more challenge, more challenges for the tight end position. I don't think he's going to get nine targets but i think we'll probably see him in the six to eight range especially if felon's at less than 100 and if they're chasing points so it probably comes down to how you feel about the bill's offense if they're going to have josh allen in play and put the vikings in a situation where they are having to throw um to be, the commanders were great against tight ends as well prior to last week.
Starting point is 00:29:45 Yep. And he was fantastic. So, you know, last week was the show off the shiny new toy and it worked. Do they show off the shiny new toy again and hope that it works again? You know, so I think just when you're looking at the landscape of tight ends, if you have him, you start him. I'm not going to the waiver wire to pick up as good as Greg Dolchess might be as good as maybe Kate Otten might be as good as Cole Comet might be. I'm going to stick with TJ Hockman. So he's still a top 10 guy in my rankings. The one that might sway it a little bit is David Njoku if he plays. But again, if I have Hockinson coming off that game, I'm not benching.
Starting point is 00:30:26 Oh, sorry. I thought Heath, I heard you take the breath there. I thought you were going to go for it, but, uh, you're sitting it out. Hawkinson or Gerald Everett.
Starting point is 00:30:36 So many minute moving pieces. Um, assuming that there's no Allen or Williams, it'll be Everett. Um, and if Milano is back, then even with one of Allen or Williams, it'll be Everett. And if Milano's back, then even with one of Allen or Williams, it would probably still be Everett.
Starting point is 00:30:49 Okay. Josh Allen would be... Would Josh Allen be a must-start? Let me just throw that out there, if he plays. I think if they're trusting him to start, you have to trust that he's going to be some semblance of what Josh Allen is, which is typically better than
Starting point is 00:31:05 most so the the questions would become and i got this just because of the performance last week and and how you know we we touted justin field as a site uh oh i should have played justin fields over josh allen last week because he was so much better what do i do this week so if you have that situation you can go justin fields if you have tua or josh allen go with Justin Fields. If you have Tua or Josh Allen, you're concerned, you play Tua. You know, those guys are in such good spots and playing very well with good matchups. You trust them. But, you know, to go to Jimmy Garoppolo,
Starting point is 00:31:33 no. To go to Jared Goff and those guys, no. No way. If Josh Allen's out there, I'm going to anticipate he's Josh Allen. The Vikings have a terrible pass defense on paper. Second most passing yards per attempt allowed,
Starting point is 00:31:48 24th against quarterbacks. So let's just say this. Heath, lay it out. You give me the bills with Josh Allen and how you approach them. I am starting Stephon Diggs, and everybody else is a flex. Singletary is probably over Davis.
Starting point is 00:32:07 No, I'd take Davis in both over Singletary. It was so weird that the first game with Naeem Hines, we saw James Cook's role continue to expand. But I have little confidence in Singletary on a week-to-week basis. Davis is what he is. I do think even if Allen plays plays there's a little bit more risk for josh allen because we don't know if they'll draw up as many down the field place um so davis
Starting point is 00:32:33 is a low end number three as opposed to a high end number three from this week naim heinz only played four snaps we'll see if that role grows this week uh jamie give me uh give me the the bills without Josh Allen. If, if Case Keenum is their starting quarterback. You're still starting Stefan Diggs, but he goes from a top 10 guy to a borderline top 10 guy. And I mean, he's still going to be a must start receiver. And the nice thing is, is that there's a rapport there, you know, they played together in Minnesota. So, you know, hopefully whatever,
Starting point is 00:33:01 you know, communication and, and, you know, signals and eye contact, all those things they can pick back up where they left off. It was Case Keenum's best season of his career in Minnesota when it had ended with the Minneapolis Miracle. Or it didn't end that way, but that was the highlight of the season. But Davis would be... Yeah, I agree with you. Davis is hands-off
Starting point is 00:33:20 if there's no Josh Allen and even if Allen plays, it's tough to trust him. But it really would be Stefan Diggs. And that's it for me. Just because of what his potential is on a week to week basis, no matter who the quarterback is. Would you start Devin Singletary or Adam Thielen? If,
Starting point is 00:33:39 see, I wonder what they, if they would be more run heavy without Allen there, but clearly that would, the defense would be aware of that without Allen there, but clearly the defense would be aware of that too. And Minnesota's run defense is good. So I probably would lean toward dealing in PPR and maybe Singletary and none. Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 00:33:54 Singletary doesn't score touchdowns. It's such a problem for him. For what it's worth, Case Keenum has not been a terrible quarterback in his career. In 2017 with Minnesota, he averaged 243 passing yards per game. If you remove the game, he left with an injury.
Starting point is 00:34:09 He hasn't been that bad. The only thing that makes me nervous is he started, what, two games in three or four years? Yeah, he started two last year for the Browns. And, you know, obviously it's the Browns. They barely threw the ball.
Starting point is 00:34:21 But yeah, right. That was a long time ago when he started. That was 2017. It's been a while. when he started for the, it was 2017. It's been a while. It's just, I hope it's not a Sean Mannion situation where Justin Jefferson was so bad that one week last year.
Starting point is 00:34:33 All right. I think that's pretty much this game. We're going to sit Dawson Knox and the bills. The DST is kind of interesting. Like what do you guys, are they a must start? The Vikings have been a terrible matchup for DSTs, but they've only really faced one good one,
Starting point is 00:34:48 and that was the Eagles, who had three interceptions. So yeah, anyway, starters hit the Bills, DST. There are more intriguing options out there for me. I like the Titans better. They're available. I like the Steelers better. They're available. You make a case the Giants are better. So unless you just don't want to make a transaction, I would probably
Starting point is 00:35:11 drop the Bills DST for some of those other teams. I'm probably just going to start the Bills. Alright, Chargers at 49ers here. The stat of the game. The Chinese fortune cookie was invented in San Francisco in the late 1890s according to The Square. So that's cool. If you go to a Chinese restaurant, do you eat the fortune cookie was invented in San Francisco in the late 1890s, according to The Square. So that's cool.
Starting point is 00:35:27 If you go to a Chinese restaurant, do you eat fortune cookies or do you just crack them open? Usually neither. Oh, Heath. Where's your fun? Come on, have a little fun, man. Everybody wants to read their obvious fortune that's going to come true. They're like 80% accurate, I hear. And that's why nobody listens to my advice.
Starting point is 00:35:52 All right, schedule alert. After this game, Gerald Everett's next five opponents rank 25th or worse against tight ends, so that's cool. See if he gets those receivers back, though. You talked about Justin Herbert. Heath is higher on Herbert than Jamie is. Updated rankings right Herbert. Heath is higher on Herbert than Jamie is.
Starting point is 00:36:05 Updated rankings right now. Herbert is 12th for Jamie and 7th for Heath. We already had that discussion. Gino Smith or Justin Herbert? Smith. Herbert for me. Hasn't Smith been better all season? Not at the very beginning of the year, but overall, yeah, he has been better all season? Not at the very beginning of the year,
Starting point is 00:36:25 but overall, yeah, he has been better. He is QB 7, and Herbert is QB 12. Chargers running backs, Austin Eckler, you start. And this is the first tough matchup I think Eckler's had all year. He's had a really easy schedule, but he has 60 catches in eight games. He's got to be on the pace for a record, right?
Starting point is 00:36:47 What's McCaffrey's record? I don't know. 122, I think. I think he is just barely on pace for it. But that was a 16-game season for McCaffrey. We're not going to do that. We are going to do that. Josh Palmer is, Heath, you have him ninth in PPR.
Starting point is 00:37:03 Is that right? Jamie 21st? That's right. Do we have to get into this a little bit? Because he's had some pretty disappointing games and, you know, we should probably get into this a little bit. Josh Palmer's an interesting player.
Starting point is 00:37:18 So, Heath, give me your vote of confidence for Josh Palmer. It's kind of the same thing you said about Herbert and Brady, and they're both going to throw 40, 45 passes. And I don't think there's anybody there to challenge him for double-digit targets. He's had some disappointing games, maybe,
Starting point is 00:37:38 but he's had four games where he's had at least eight targets, and he's scored at least 13 fantasy points in all of them. He just scored 18 fantasy points in a game where he did not score a touchdown. I just think like he has the profile of a top 12 wide receiver. Now, if you think Justin Herbert's going to be bad this week,
Starting point is 00:37:54 then you should probably have Palmer a little bit lower. That makes sense. Jamie, you do have them a little bit lower. You still have them in the top. You have 21st right now. So that's right behind CD lamb, DJ Lamb, DJ Moore, Alan Lazard, and Amari Cooper for Josh Palmer. I think 13 points is very realistic.
Starting point is 00:38:13 I don't think he's getting 18. I don't think he's going to score. So I think he's a very safe number two receiver in PPR, a good number three receiver in non-PPR. Are you telling me I should start Josh Palmer over Chris Olave? So that's a tough one because I think the Steelers defense is going to be fantastic and getting TJ Watt back. I'm curious to see what William Jackson's going to do
Starting point is 00:38:34 because they traded for him, but he's still dealing with a back injury. So, you know, another piece of their secondary may or may not be there. I would probably still start Olave because I think there's more touchdown potential. But in PPR, if you want to go with who's going to have more catches, I think Palmer might have more catches. Gerald Everett is a guy that you guys are very different on.
Starting point is 00:38:52 Jamie has him 12th and Heath has him 4th. Look, you know that Heath likes Herbert a lot more than Jamie does. So that's got me wrong. I think you're getting a very similar stat line forever that you got last week. Five catches for 36 yards on eight targets last week. Heath, it's going to have to be better than that. Yeah, and he's averaged about six to seven yards per target over his career,
Starting point is 00:39:21 so I'm not projecting an average four again like he did last week. I think if he gets eight targets, then you're probably looking at 50 to 60 yards, and I wouldn't really have the possibility of him scoring. He scored, what, twice this season? Right, but it does not mean he's not going to score this week.
Starting point is 00:39:38 True. It's the same argument as Tom Brady. Two touchdowns at the tight end this season? The Niners? Yeah. Pitts caught one. Michael Pruitt caught one. Yes.
Starting point is 00:39:50 Two in the same game. That's right. And, yeah. They have not been so great against tight ends this year. You say that all the time, but the stats don't bear it off. No, they're 10th. They're 10th against tight ends. Tyler Higbee had 73 yards.
Starting point is 00:40:06 Pitts caught a touchdown. Pruitt caught a touchdown. Kelsey had 98 yards. Higbee, two catches for 15 yards last week, but that's part of a trend for Higbee. Look, I just want to throw this out about the Niners' defense. In the first four weeks of the season, they allowed an NFL 0-6 completions of 20-plus yards.
Starting point is 00:40:24 In their next four games, 16 completions of 20 plus yards in their next 4 games 16 completions of 20 plus yards that was 4th most in the NFL how many of those were against the Chiefs? not all of them 16 I can actually tell you I think I have that queued up
Starting point is 00:40:41 weeks 5 to 8 I have that queued up. Weeks five to eight. You really, really need to know this. I mean, it's a good question. I just don't want to grind us to a halt here. The Chiefs had two? Is that right? I don't know. You know what?
Starting point is 00:40:59 I don't think I have the right thing here. So, sorry. I guess we just have a much different opinion of the 49ers defense. Yeah, well, I think it's a mystery. I don't think they're bad, but they have been bad for the last month or so. This is an offensive line that's very beat up for the Chargers, which speaks to where Justin Herbert's been with and without Rashawn Slater. This is a team that's missing its top two pass catchers. This is a 49ers team at home coming off a bye. Chargers now back-to-back road games. I don't know. I don't trust the Chargers this week aside from Austin Eckler.
Starting point is 00:41:29 That's totally fair. Let's go to the Niners. I think Palmer will get his receptions. Jimmy Garoppolo. Garoppolo or Herbert? Garoppolo. I've gone back and forth on that I think I currently have Herbert higher but they're right in the same range
Starting point is 00:41:47 both low end starters and you have Garoppolo over Dak Jamie does not I keep getting the names wrong today Garoppolo or Cousins Garoppolo Garoppolo he's the best streaming option he's not a streamer anymore but he was
Starting point is 00:42:08 at the start of the week he's over 80 roster but yeah i'm ahead of russell wilson ahead of andy dalton obviously trevor lawrence i don't think there's any streamers that you could have picked up uh this past week over garoppolo start mccaffrey um debo or iuk? I said it. Debo. I've got Ayuk, I think, one or two spots higher. It's going to be really interesting to see. And I don't know that this week's necessarily going to tell us what's going to happen the rest of the season.
Starting point is 00:42:37 But I just think one of these guys is going to most likely not be good on a weekly basis. If they're all four good, then I'm even too low on Jimmy Garoppolo. Who's the best wide receiver in this game? Debo. Palmer. Okay. Yeah, Iuke is averaging more yards per game than Debo.
Starting point is 00:42:55 Debo does get the rushing totals. All three receivers, Iuke, Debo, and Kittle are averaging between 53.2 and 60.4 receiving yards per game. And George Kittle is a must-start here. And the Niners' DST is a starting line. It will be very interesting to see what Debo's role in the Russian game is at all. Coming off the injury, has seven carries in the last four games combined.
Starting point is 00:43:21 It could depend on what they do with Elijah Mitchell. Because if they don't have Mitchell active for this game, it's the first game without Jeff Wilson. Do they trust Tyrion Davis-Price? Do they trust Jordan Mason? How do they view their back? Tevin Coleman's there still, right? How do they view their guys?
Starting point is 00:43:39 I think they brought back Tevin Coleman, didn't they? I don't have any idea. He's been... Maybe I'm totally off-base. Let's go to our next game. Pittsburgh and New Orleans. So, Jamie, you've got just a feeling Tevin Coleman is on the 49ers, yes. You've got a
Starting point is 00:43:53 feeling that Pittsburgh has a big game here, or defensively, anyway. I mean, you go back to week one when TJ Watt was there and what they did to the Bengals and Joe Burrow, and that was just an absolute poop show for them. And this is a Saints team with Andy Dalton, who's been very turnover prone of late. They're going outdoors. Weather could be somewhat of an issue, depending on how, you know, the impacts of the storm
Starting point is 00:44:13 going up the East Coast. I don't know. I just think that guy is a game wrecker. And it's it's I'll tie it into what we're just talking about. Same way I feel about Nick Bosa when he's on the field for the 49ers. TJ Watt is is one of the best pass rushers in the game, and I think he's going to make life miserable for Andy Dalton and the Saints. So I'm still starting Alvin Kamara.
Starting point is 00:44:34 Obviously, you've got to hope that he's much better than he was last week. I'm still starting Chris Olave. He's been too good. But I'm just not expecting this team to put up a lot of points. Hopefully we get, you know, Heath alluded to this, we get some big plays for Olave still because of how the secondary gives up big plays. And that's certainly on the table.
Starting point is 00:44:50 But, I mean, Andy Dalton would not be surprised if he throws another pick six or two in this game. Yeah. I'm sorry, Heath. I remember back in week one, I gave this stat. It was some sharp football analysis. This was going into this season. Pittsburgh allowed five, I'm thinking
Starting point is 00:45:07 it was just for 2021. They allowed 5.2 yards per play with TJ Watt on the field and 6.2 yards per play without TJ Watt on the field. That was going into the year. And that would be the difference this year between the number nine defense in yards per play and the number 31
Starting point is 00:45:23 defense in yards per play. So number 31 defense in yards per play. So yeah, it's just a different unit. Heath, what do you think about this game, New Orleans and Pittsburgh? Yeah, I think it's interesting. We have seen the line move. It opened at Saints' three-point favorites. They're now one-and-a-half-point favorites,
Starting point is 00:45:36 so it may be the house or the betters are getting more confident that T.J. Watt's going to play. It'll be interesting to see if Watt, in his very first game back, is 100% T.J TJ Watt's going to play. It'll be interesting to see if Watt in his very first game back is 100% TJ Watt. But it looks like a bad game between two teams that are not going to score very many points. Kamara and Olave and Fryermuth are the only guys I want to start in this game.
Starting point is 00:45:59 Deontay is a good PPR flex, hopefully. And hopefully he gets going in the right direction, can maybe even be a number two wide receiver rest of the season I would not be surprised if Kenny Pickett looks like it a better NFL quarterback if the Steelers make a run because healthy on defense is so different for them because they can just totally destroy games that way. And so if he can look like they hope he looks, obviously, and find some sort of spark there, whether it's the run game, whether it's how they throw the ball, they could be a fun team to watch. And then we get some better, especially now without Claypool there,
Starting point is 00:46:42 the concentrated targets, better production from Deontay, better production from Pickens and Frymuth. And we start to have a better fantasy team moving forward. Well, that would be great. And it would be great if they just had one running back doing things. But obviously, we're expecting more from Jalen Warren this week. So before we get to the Steelers, Camara, everyone's going to start. But what about Olave?
Starting point is 00:47:04 Let's talk about this. The Steelers do Camara, everyone's going to start. But what about Olave? Let's talk about this. The Steelers do allow the most fantasy points to wide receivers. Everything is better with, you know, everything is harder to do against the Steelers with Watt on the field. I acknowledge that. But there have been nine wide receivers
Starting point is 00:47:15 with 88 yards in eight games so far. But you're just not seeing a lot of pass volume from Andy Dalton. So is Olave a must start this week? Yes. I can't imagine having, I mean, if in a two wide receiver league it's possible you have two guys who have ranked ahead of him,
Starting point is 00:47:33 but for the most part, yeah. Okay. So then talk to me about the Steelers. Which running back do you prefer? Would you start Chuba Hubbard over the Steelers running backs? Jamie, let's do that question first. No, I would not start Chuba Hubbard over the Steelers running backs. I'm sorry. Yes, I start him over
Starting point is 00:47:47 Jalen Warren. I wonder how much is it, you know, like so we were talking about this with Pete Prisco, who you know, understands how coaches speak and understands how Mike Tomlin talks. And he said on our show, you know, I'm going to paraphrase this. Mike Tomlin would not be
Starting point is 00:48:03 saying this if there's not some sort of actionable thing coming. And so could it be that he's just trying to motivate Najee and get him to play better? Sure. Could it be that they're going to go to a committee backfield, which is so rare in Mike Tomlin's era to do that. I mean,
Starting point is 00:48:18 you know, you go back through Willie Parker and Rashad Mendenhall and, and, and Le'Veon Bell. And when he was out, D'Angelo Williams and James Conn. It's like every guy is just every time there's always been a guy. And it was so great with Najee last year. So I just don't know. I don't know what to make of it. So in the two leagues where I have Najee Harris, I'm still starting him.
Starting point is 00:48:41 It's because I don't really have better options. So it's by default. So in tonight's game, I would go Foreman, Najee, Chuba, and Warren. You know,
Starting point is 00:48:54 is Warren getting more than the eight touches he had in week eight against Philadelphia? I don't know. I mean, I picked them up everywhere. I'm sure you guys have tried to as well. Just to see what happens because he could be the guy, but until I see it, I still have to think that Najee is going to get more touches.
Starting point is 00:49:06 Would you start Devin Singletary or Najee Harris? Singletary. I guess you got to go Singletary just based on the solidified role. Yeah. Don't like it, though. I mean, Najee's been pretty bad.
Starting point is 00:49:23 He usually gets you around 11, 12 PPR fantasy points. It's not terrible, but he almost never scores. New Orleans defense, nothing special. The Pittsburgh wide receivers. So they're replacing a guy who's second on the team in targets, 50, Chase Claypool, fourth in receiving with 311 yards, but very close. They're all kind of close.
Starting point is 00:49:45 Second most red zone targets, second most green zone targets. They're replacing a significant player here. Deontay Johnson, four straight games with five catches, but does nothing with them. All right, so let's talk about... Deontay's your favorite, right, this week? Yes. I would go Deontay over Pickens in PPR
Starting point is 00:50:05 in the other formats I would go Pickens just based on the touchdown potential. Okay. Darnell Mooney or Deontay Johnson? Deontay. Deontay. Brandon Ayuk or Deontay Johnson? Ayuk. Ayuk.
Starting point is 00:50:22 Mecole Hardman or Deontay Johnson? Deontay. Gabe Davis or Deontay Johnson? Deontay. Deontay. Gabe Davis or Deontay Johnson? Deontay. Yep. All right. Unless Allen gets in the full practice.
Starting point is 00:50:32 Okay. Pat Fryermuth is a top seven guy. Tough matchup, but you guys are trusting him. And which DST do you like better? Steelers. Saints. I also did not ask you about better? Steelers. Saints. I also did not ask you about Taysom Hill. Any interest in Taysom Hill this week?
Starting point is 00:50:49 I mean, based on last week, the Saints had no interest in Taysom Hill, so... Nope. No. All right, we're going to take a break. When we come back, Jacksonville's at Kansas City. I'm going to give you a stat of the game that you have about a 25% to 35% chance of caring about.
Starting point is 00:51:02 Can't wait. Be right back on fantasy football today. The Jags at the chiefs. Heath is excited about this game. He's feeling a little fantasy bonanza here. A lot of good fantasy options. Stat of the game that you have about a 25 to 35% chance of caring about. Zay Jones has four games with eight to 11 targets.
Starting point is 00:51:21 Trevor Lawrence through 39 or more passes in all four of those games. Zay Jones has four games with three to five targets. Trevor Lawrence threw 39 or more passes in all four of those games. Zay Jones has four games with 3-5 targets, and Trevor Lawrence threw 31 or fewer passes in all four of those games. There is a major correlation between Zay Jones' targets, 8-11 in four games. That's a big deal. And Trevor Lawrence' pass attempts.
Starting point is 00:51:40 And guess what? The Chiefs see the third most pass attempts per game in the NFL. So there's your sleeper appeal. That's beautiful. Thank you. Beautiful. Like it seems obvious, but beautiful.
Starting point is 00:51:53 Right. I mean, it seems obvious, but it's dramatic. It's drastic, I think, you know, for a trend. Well, it's pretty drastic to have. He has four games with 31 or fewer and four games with 39 or more. Yeah. He's never been in the 31 to 39 range at all. Right. That's Trevor Lawrence.
Starting point is 00:52:10 Actually, I think there was a game where Zay Jones missed. So I don't know what Lawrence's past attempts were in that game. But in the other eight games, yeah, it's been a lot or a little. And really, they are trying to be a running team. So that's the thing with Trevor Lawrence. He's not throwing a lot lately because ETN is getting so many carries, but the Chiefs force you to throw. And that said, you guys have Lawrence right around 12th, 13th,
Starting point is 00:52:33 right around there. So he's behind, correct me if I'm wrong, he's behind Geno Smith. He's behind Justin Herbert. He's behind Dak Prescott or no? Yes. I've got him ahead of Dak, but behind Jimmy. All right. ETN must start.
Starting point is 00:52:50 Yes? Yes. Christian Kirk must start. Zay Jones or Marvin Jones if you're going to take a flyer? Zay. Zay. Pickens or Deontay, Zay Jones, is he near them? No.
Starting point is 00:53:05 Behind. Okay. He's the number four Is he near them? No. Behind. Okay. He's the number four guy, I assume? Yes. Yes. The problem is which Jones is going to be better. Right. Evan Ingram, only 66% rostered, coming off a terrible game where he played just 55% of the snaps. He was playing over 90% of the snaps the previous week.
Starting point is 00:53:21 Are you going right back to Evan Ingram? The Chiefs allow the eighth most fantasy points to tight ends. I want to see if he's healthy. Cause he was limited with the back problem that knocked him out for a little bit last week. But I do think that if you're counting on the Jaguars to throw, which they probably will be, then he's certainly in the startable range,
Starting point is 00:53:40 but like I would take my chances with Dulcet's over him. And I would take my chances still withcet over him, and I would take my chances still with Kay Dotton over him. And I don't love Pitts tonight, but I think if Ingram is not a full participant today, you probably have to start Pitts over him. And on the other side of the ball,
Starting point is 00:53:58 I like Mahomes this week. Probably starting him wherever I have Mahomes. Any running backs for the Chiefs? Would you start any Chiefs running back? Nope. Nope?
Starting point is 00:54:14 I would not be surprised if one of them scores because they'll probably be playing with the lead and the Jaguars' run defense has been suspect. But good luck trying to figure out who it is. And again, playing time, as Heath said, which is correct, you don't get fancy points for playing time for snaps. So Jerry McKinnon, four straight games has led them at snaps. I think every game but one has led them at snaps. They could get a lead and lean on Pacheco, try to get him going.
Starting point is 00:54:39 They could build a lead and give Clyde Edwards-Alaire some work. It's just such a crap shoot. I saw some speculation that the Chiefs would really like for McKinnon to not play as much right now because they want him to be their lead back in the playoffs, and they're not confident he can make it that far. So I wonder if this game, like you said, I wonder if this game is a two-score game if it is more Pacheco and Clyde, and they try to give him a little rest.
Starting point is 00:55:03 One thing, the Jaguars do allow the third most receiving yards per game to running backs. So that could be something for McKinnon who has, let's see, he has 29, 36, and 40 receiving yards in his last three games. Well, these two teams are one and two in receptions to running backs, and they're tied. Yeah, and they're two and three in yards. I think the Raiders are now yards per game. Raiders are allowing the most receiving yards per game to running backs, then they're tied. Yeah, and they're 2-3 in yards. I think the Raiders are now yards per game. Raiders are allowing the most receiving yards per game to running backs. Kansas City wide receivers.
Starting point is 00:55:30 Okay, so Juju has more or less moved into must-start territory. Three straight games with 18.8 or more PPR fantasy points. But do you like Juju or Christian Kirk this week? Who's your favorite wide receiver in this game? I have to make the decision in one league, and it's Juju for me. I'm going with Kirk, but they're both top 18 guys. I want to start both.
Starting point is 00:55:51 Mikko Hardman. All right. So, Hardman, you said you have Deontay Johnson over him. Would you start George Pickens over Mikko Hardman? Yes. I mean, I wonder how much Hardman's banged up. You know, missing practice on Wednesday, is that a veteran thing thing or is that a legitimate injury?
Starting point is 00:56:08 You know, he's been banged up almost every week. It feels like he's walking off the field limping for something. So, you know, who knows? Who knows what's going on there? If Hardman's a full go by Friday, I would start him over Pickens. But otherwise, I'll have him below Pickens. All right. Yeah, I wonder what his
Starting point is 00:56:25 start percentage will be. His roster percentage had been a lot higher than I thought it was going into the week. I didn't really think he deserved it. Everything was kind of fluky. And then he has his biggest game and he gets the nine targets. He's 76% rostered. I think people are going to buy into him. You guys have
Starting point is 00:56:41 him around 30th. Sid MVS is still 54% rostered. Kadarius Tony is 68% rostered. He played only 9% of the snaps. Maybe he will get more involved this week. Going back to Mahomes in the preseason, if Hardman is not 100%, this could be get MVS back on track.
Starting point is 00:56:58 Maybe get Tony going again or get Tony going. Just something to keep in mind. Yeah. Okay. And start Kelsey and the Chiefs DST is 14th for Jamie, 10th for Dave,
Starting point is 00:57:10 9th for Heath. Jacksonville's actually been a pretty bad matchup for DSTs, so Chiefs DSTs, okay. Really? Yeah, fourth fewest fantasy points allowed. That's weird. They've had a lot of turnovers, right?
Starting point is 00:57:23 They don't give up a lot of sacks. I don't know about a lot of turnovers. I think you're thinking of the Trevor Lawrence game two games ago when he had the two interceptions. We had the four fumble game too, right? That was against Philly though so long ago in the rain.
Starting point is 00:57:40 He didn't lose all of them, did he? Maybe he did. He had five turnovers in the game. Yeah. Lawrence has thrown six interceptions. Six interceptions, yeah. Okay. All right. It is time to talk Colts and Raiders.
Starting point is 00:57:55 Indianapolis at Las Vegas. Your schedule alert. Tremble in fear. Devontae Adams' next three opponents are second, first, and fourth against wide receivers. But anyway, I want to ask you about the DSTs here. Stat of the game number one,
Starting point is 00:58:11 the Raiders, this is like a terrible running back facing a terrible run defense. What do you do? The Raiders are horrible defensively, but the Colts are the best matchup. Every team does so well against them. The Patriots sack them nine times. Jamie, earlier you said you like the Colts' the best matchup. Every team does so well against them. The Patriots sack them nine times.
Starting point is 00:58:26 Jamie, earlier you said you like the Colts' DST. Do you like both DSTs in this game? I said I like the Colts' DST. I thought, oh, I think you said the Titans. I'm sorry. My bad. Do you like any DST in this game? Yeah, I think the Raiders are streamable. They're not good.
Starting point is 00:58:42 So, you know, it's always the fun argument of bad defense versus bad offense but like you said we have a first-time play caller and a first-time head coach and a you know quarterback making his third star four start whatever it is um third yeah you know who's been a disaster i i think you can feel a little bit more comfortable about the raiders dst if there's no donathan taylor because it's even worse back though jordan wilkins is the guy if deon jack Jackson doesn't go. The Colts defense has played well. Give them
Starting point is 00:59:08 credit. I think if I'm the Raiders, I'm just going to simplify things to try to get a win because there's so much heat on Josh McDaniels right now. Don't necessarily put your team in a position to make mistakes and blow another lead to this team. Can you imagine if they lose their home to the Colts? I don't anticipate
Starting point is 00:59:26 a lot of dangerous throws for Derek Carr. So who knows? You're counting on it. Your defensive scoring probably dictates how you feel about these teams. So there's more turnover potential for the Colts, I would anticipate, because of how Sam Ellinger has looked.
Starting point is 00:59:42 Ellinger? Ellinger? Ellinger. If you're counting on points against, then this is anticipate because of how Sam Ellinger has looked. Ellinger. Ellinger. Ellinger. Ellinger. If you're counting on points against, then this is probably a good matchup to play. Here's a random question as we say Ellinger. Were you into Thundercats when you were a kid? No.
Starting point is 00:59:59 No. No? Too old for that? Really? I love Thundercats. They were great. No, I think there were people my age who were. But not you.
Starting point is 01:00:08 I was not one of them. Show me some love for Thundercats in the chat, YouTube. Alright, so as we talk about the starts and the sits here, Michael Pittman, start or sit? Number three receiver. Hasn't scored a touchdown since week one one i think he'll be better than he
Starting point is 01:00:27 was last week i think he'll be on par with what he was two games ago and ellen gerst first start so you know you're hoping for 12 ppr points so steelers guys or pitman i would go pitman i would take my chances of the upside of the Steelers, guys. Gabe Davis or Pittman? Pittman. Okay. That's interesting. Jonathan Taylor, if he plays, where are you going to rank him?
Starting point is 01:00:56 Probably around 20. Sure. Okay. 18, 20. Oh, what a shame. He hasn't scored since week one either. Right? Is that right? Jonathan Taylor is, yeah, one touchdown hasn't scored since week one either. Right? Is that right?
Starting point is 01:01:06 Jonathan Taylor is, yeah, one touchdown. It was in week one. He is the number 26 running back per game in non-PPR, number 23 in full PPR. Does not have a run longer than 27 yards, which would be okay for a lot of running backs, but not for him. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 01:01:20 Look at this question in the chat. What was the show with Skeletor? Come on. That's He-Man, bro. Masters of the Universe. Great movie with Dolph Lundgren and Courtney Cox. But I guess, was that your age? Like you watched the actual cartoon, right? Or were you too young for that? No, I watched the cartoon, yeah.
Starting point is 01:01:43 All right, on the other side of the ball, Derek Carr, starter sit, coming off a 22-point game against the Jags. I think he's a sit. I think this is just not a game that it's in his favor.
Starting point is 01:01:56 Yeah, he's a sit. He's a sit. Okay. Josh Jacobs, how much do you trust him coming off two bad games in a row after three legendary games in a row? You're obviously starting Josh Jacobs.
Starting point is 01:02:08 I mean, he's got to bounce back. It's not a layup of a matchup, but they should have time of possession in their favor. They should be able to lean on their ground game. Hopefully, he's able to break a run or two and make some plays in the passing game. So, yeah, I'm starting. Josh Jacobs has more games with fewer than 12 PPR fantasy points than he has now.
Starting point is 01:02:33 He has the same amount of games with fewer than 12 than more than 12? He has four games with 11.7 or fewer PPR fantasy points. He's been pretty bad in four games. Pretty disappointing in four games. Amazing in three games and solid in one game. And the Colts 3.85 yards per carry to running backs. So we'll see what happens. They are really bad against running backs in the passing game, but he lost
Starting point is 01:02:55 his third down rule. Any interest in Hunter Renfro or Matt Collins? No. Okay. How about Heath? Darren Waller, Foster Morrow. How do you approach them? Morrow is a borderline top 12 guy. If no Waller, Waller is a top 8 to 10 guy if he's active.
Starting point is 01:03:17 Foster, Morrow, no. How much are you going to try? Yeah, so what did you say? 8 to ten for Waller if he's active? Yeah, right. All right, so you'd start like Friar Muth over him? Yes, I would. Would you guys start Evan Ingram over Waller if Waller plays? I would not.
Starting point is 01:03:38 There's some stuff going on in the chat here. I need to clarify something. Masters of the Universe was not a good movie. It was a great movie if you were a kid and you liked He-Man. If I watched it now, I'm sure it'd be terrible, but I would still enjoy it for the nostalgia. The other thing is people are saying I look like the Bobby's World character, the cartoon. We can get an image of that. I can share it. This is a little embarrassing.
Starting point is 01:04:05 All right. Let's see if I look like, I'm guessing that's Bobby. I've never actually seen Bobby's world. Schaefer's probably seen it. He's, he's a young guy. Uh, all right,
Starting point is 01:04:14 let's take a look. Do I look like this? Is it sharing? Oh, do I look like that? Um, 100%. He's got his like a little tubby stick. Do I look like that? 100%. He's got his little tubby sticking out.
Starting point is 01:04:30 What's that all about? It's a huge feet. All right, I can accept that. Bobby's world it is. I think we have two more games. Denver at Tennessee, and then Miami and Cleveland. Stat of the game. This is kind of, let's talk about Tennessee's defense here.
Starting point is 01:04:43 They have this reputation of being a terrible pass defense. They have been for a while, but they're showing signs of improvement. And one thing we're seeing from them is they have a very good pass rush. They're 11th in pressure rate this season, according to True Media. But they have three or more sacks in five straight games. And they don't blitz. I think they have the lowest, yeah, they have the lowest blitz rate in the NFL. So Tennessee, we saw, they did a great job against Mahomes
Starting point is 01:05:06 because they were getting pressure with four. And that's not a great thing for Russell Wilson with that offensive line. So, Jamie, what do you expect from the Broncos? Tennessee is easy. Just start Derek Henry. What do you expect from the Broncos offensively? I'm still nervous. I'm still, you know, first off, I'll start with the passing game. You know, I think Judy's last two games have given enough reason
Starting point is 01:05:27 to buy into him as a starter, especially with what we're looking at with teams on a buy and injuries. Sutton is still a number three receiver because he struggled the last two weeks, but hopefully coming back, especially if KJ Helmer's not there, maybe a couple more targets go their direction. Dolchich, I think, has done enough in three games to be used as a top ten tight end for this week, at least the number one tight end depending on how you want to
Starting point is 01:05:47 view him um but you know in saying that you know russell is kind of in the same conversation for me a little bit lower of of where tom brady is because he just hasn't gotten multiple touchdowns on a consistent basis you know so can he get that second touchdown? Can you do it without, you know, turn the ball over? It's, it's a secondary that has given up production to quarterbacks, but I think it's a little skewed for where they were in the beginning of the season to where they are now. If Jeffrey Simmons is out, I think you got to feel much, much better about this entire Broncos offense. So passing game wise, again, don't want to trust Russell. I don't have to start Judy, start start Dolchich, Sutton the starter in three receiver leagues. And then for the backfield, it's a guessing game.
Starting point is 01:06:29 Murray would be my favorite one, but I would prefer to avoid the entire thing. You know, I didn't even talk about Bud Dupree, but he left the Chiefs game, and I didn't see a practice report on him, but that would be a really big deal. If Dupree and Simmons were out, you know, I don't know. I can try to check the practice report there. Heath, how do you feel about the Broncos' offense? Because like I said, Titans, we don't really need to spend really any time on.
Starting point is 01:06:52 Yeah, I'm skeptical that the Titans' pass defense is making a big improvement. They did hold Mahomes to one passing touchdown, and he threw it 68 times, so it's hard to judge the yardage. But there have basically been two quarterbacks the entire season who have not scored at least 19.9 fantasy points against them and it's davis mills and matt ryan so i i like wilson as a borderline number one i do have him behind jimmy i do have him behind trevor lawrence um but i would start him over
Starting point is 01:07:22 stafford i'd start him over ro. I'd start him over Dak. So QB 13. And I agree with everything Jamie said about Dulcich and Sutton and Judy. Would you start a Steelers running back or a Broncos running back? It's a great question. Steelers.
Starting point is 01:07:43 This run defense is no joke. I mean, Titans run defense is good. And this Broncos rush offense has not been good. You know, Murray's fallen into the end zone twice. But it's not like you'd say production's been good. I think he scored in three of their four games. He has scored in three of four games, but one was with the Saints. Oh, excellent.
Starting point is 01:08:00 Yeah, yeah. Of his three games, he's had 13 or more touches in all three. Two of them with 15 touches. And he scored in two straight. But he also scored in a game where Gordon scored. That was against Jacksonville in London. And now you have Chase Edmonds factored in. Who knows what he's going to do.
Starting point is 01:08:15 So it could just be an absolute mess. You're counting on touchdowns at this point. Would you start Najee Harris or Cortland Sutton? Sutton and PPR. You know, I really feel bad because I gave that stat to start about the possible improvement and the sacks and the pass rush,
Starting point is 01:08:35 the lack of blitzing and still getting some pressure. But if they don't have Bud Dupree and Jeffrey Simmons, then they could be just awful. And neither of those guys practice on Wednesday. So that is definitely something to keep an eye on. Well, Stimson practiced last week also. Right, but he left practice with an ankle injury or something like that.
Starting point is 01:08:56 Okay, let's check on Thursday and Friday. But Bud Dupree is new, and that's just a really big deal. So, you know, a lot in the balance there do we have to do you want to talk more about jerry judy like who are you starting jerry judy over heath um starting jerry judy over the steelers i'm starting jerry judy over so he talked about like me cole harbin i'd start jerry judy over dk um i'd start him wow He's anti-DK. I am anti-DK. I'd start him over 3-1.
Starting point is 01:09:32 In the UK? Can't trust that? No, he's not in the UK. Huh? He's not in the UK. Oh, that's right. They're meeting. Okay. So, Judy. Let's do a running back judy or jonathan taylor i'd go judy ppr judy sutton or taylor taylor taylor greg dulcich or Gerald Everett? Dulcich.
Starting point is 01:10:07 Hmm. I think I'm going to change that one. I've got Everett right now, but I think I'd prefer Dulcich. Dulcich or Hawkinson? Dulcich. Dulcich. Okay. And that's the end of that chapter.
Starting point is 01:10:22 Denver DST, you like them? They're only 54% rostered. I like them a lot if it's Malik Wills. I like them less if it's Ryan Tannehill. Cleveland at Miami. A trend to watch in this game. The Browns lead the NFL in time of possession. They run
Starting point is 01:10:37 the fourth most plays. They've seeded the third fewest plays per game defensively. They run the fourth most plays per game. That is something that helps their defense. It's not a great defense, but they keep their defense off the field. Also, here's an exciting stat. Miami, Cleveland, and Baltimore are the three
Starting point is 01:10:54 teams that have allowed the most 50-plus yard pass plays. Two of them are playing in this game. That could be awesome. That could also be another reason that they allow the fewest plays against or a low number of plays against, because when the team gets 50 yards at once,
Starting point is 01:11:09 they don't run as many plays. It's true. It's only happened four times, but it is true. And the Dolphins are probably going to do that in this game multiple times. I would hope so. This is a tough matchup on paper for Tua, so I'll just ask it. Do you have any hesitation for Tua, Tyreek, or Waddle? None.
Starting point is 01:11:25 Okay. And, okay, no or Waddle? None. Okay. And, okay, no hesitation on Nick Chubb. So I guess that brings up the Kareem Hunt and Dolphins running backs. Jamie, how would you rank them? Dolphin, Dolphin, Hunt. Can you name those Dolphins? Yes, I can. Flipper, Snowflake. Snowflake is great. can you name those dolphins yes i can flipper snowflake
Starting point is 01:11:46 snowflake is great um i would go mostert wilson hunt heath i think i've got it mostert hunt wilson but they're all within like six spots of each other. I would not be surprised if Wilson is the best Dolphins running back. Browns run defense stinks. Right. But where are these guys in the rankings, Heath? 24 through 30. Okay. We'd love to avoid them, I guess, if possible.
Starting point is 01:12:20 Kareem Hunt's so interesting because there have been two games where he has had no work, right? They were weeks 7 and 8. When they were maybe trying to trade him? True. Then he came back and he had his normal workload, which is around 13, 14 touches. One of those games was a blowout loss.
Starting point is 01:12:35 You kind of understand, okay, they didn't have a chance to get him on the field. The other game made no sense, really. It was a close game. If he can get those 11 to 15 touches, then he could be flex-worthy, right? He can get you eight or more PPR fantasy points. Be respectable.
Starting point is 01:12:49 Yep. Is that what you're banking on for Kareem Hunt? He's definitely flex-worthy. Okay. Because two of his last three games have been completely... Well, he did score in the one, but he had like less than 25 yards or something, total yards.
Starting point is 01:13:02 All right, Browns receivers. Two of the three. The last one is the best one, right? Yes. After the trade deadline, as pointed out by Heath. No, before the trade deadline. Was it? Yeah. That was the weird game because they played it. Right. The day before.
Starting point is 01:13:17 Oh, were they in a bye last week? Yes. Okay. Cleveland wide receivers. You guys said Amari Cooper's a must start. They've thrown seven touchdown passes this year, and he has five of them. He's caught five of them. We're just going to ignore the three road games, the road game thing. He has a total of 14 targets in three road games. What about Donovan Peoples-Jones? This guy's got three straight games and four out of five with 71 or more yards. Jamie, start or sit Donovan Peoples-Jones?
Starting point is 01:13:44 He is a potential starter in three receiver leagues. No way you're starting him in two receiver leagues yet. This is another guy that should find the end zone at some point in the near future, hopefully. If you are of the belief that Xavier Howard is going to shadow Amari Cooper, then this is a spot for him to step up, especially if David Njoku is not there. I think you can count on a floor of probably nine PPR points,
Starting point is 01:14:08 a ceiling of 12 if he doesn't score. And if he scores, you're going to be thrilled about it. So, again, three-receiver league, he's in consideration. Three-receiver league with a flex, you don't have a good flex. He's a good fourth receiver. But by no means can you uh confidently endorse him to be a must-start guy in any format yeah he's he's behind theon sutton steelers um all of that group but he's a hot maybe high-end number four is a good way to say it
Starting point is 01:14:39 like i think if you if you're debating um chase claypool or dpj i would go dpj if you're debating Chase Claypool or DPJ, I would go DPJ. If you're debating... Terrace Marshall? MBS. Huh? Terrace Marshall. I would go with Peoples Jones, especially with the weather concerns. Okay.
Starting point is 01:14:56 And my final question for Njoku, who has 58 or more yards in five straight games, 71 or more yards in four of those five games. This is Njoku now. 66% rostered. You should still pick him up. If he plays, considering he did not practice on Wednesday, if he plays, are you going to rank Najoku as you normally would?
Starting point is 01:15:12 Are you going to downgrade him in his first game back from, if he plays, would be a shorter absence than was expected? I'm always concerned when teams come off of a bye and a guy is coming off an injury and does not practice. Now, clearly, Veterans Day is something to consider because he's been doing some work. So to whatever extent that work has been. Isn't that tomorrow, by the way?
Starting point is 01:15:35 Huh? Isn't that tomorrow? What? Veterans Day. Veterans Day is tomorrow, yeah. But I think if he plays, you've got to trust that he's going to give you decent production. You know, it's a good matchup. And it's a homecoming of sorts.
Starting point is 01:15:54 You know, he plays college ball in Miami. Yeah. So, you know, hopefully that counts for something. At this very stadium, Jamie. At this very stadium. That's right. Because you guys know the stadium. I don't have a stadium. I
Starting point is 01:16:07 don't mind David Njoku. I had a tough call in two leagues where I have one with Andrews on a bye where I have Njoku. It's an IDP league. I'm like, bleep, I got to pick up a third tight end now just because he's not practicing. Which I didn't want to do. And then another league where
Starting point is 01:16:24 I think it's a league where I have Waller and it was deciding between Njoku and Cole Komet. I was like, I can't carry two injured guys. This sucks. So you just got to make that choice. Do you want to roster Njoku knowing that you may have to make another tight end move
Starting point is 01:16:40 if he doesn't play? I think that's it. Enjoy the game tonight, everybody. Check out Fantasy Football Today in 5 immediately after the game. We'll be breaking it down for you on YouTube.com slash Fantasy Football Today. Thanks to Jamie Heath and Thomas Schaefer. I'm Adam, and
Starting point is 01:16:56 we will talk to you tomorrow morning with Starter Sit for the NFC home games and a recap of Carolina and Minnesota. See ya!

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