Fantasy Football Today - Start or Sit (AFC): TreVeyon Henderson, Jaylen Waddle, Joe Burrow, Jaguars WRs and More (12/18 Fantasy Football Podcast)
Episode Date: December 18, 2025We start with the players we love (3:00) including Jacoby Brissett and Jauan Jennings and players to avoid (8:40) including Dalton Kincaid and Jaxson Dart. And we've got a lot of news and notes (16:...05) including a weather update for Rams-Seahawks and our reaction to the Dolphins starting Quinn Ewers ... One Question for Each Game (30:30)! Start or Sit Jakobi Meyers? DK Metcalf? TreVeyon Henderson? Zay Flowers? Joe Burrow? Quinshon Judkins? Ashton Jeanty? ... Start or Sit for Jaguars-Broncos (37:40), Steelers-Lions (47:10), Patriots-Ravens (56:10), Bengals-Dolphins (1:05:00), Bills-Browns (1:13:00), Chiefs-Titans (1:19:10) and 49ers-Colts (1:23:40) ... Email us at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Shop our store: shop.cbssports.com/fantasy SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179 FOLLOW FFT Dynasty on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1 SUBSCRIBE to FFT DFS on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dfs/id1579415837 To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath.
All right, welcome for the show, everybody.
Week 16, Starter Sit, it is Thursday, December 18th.
And we welcome you to fantasy football today, presented by BetMGM, Make It Legendary.
All right. Two weeks left for most of you in the playoffs. Just so you know we will have week 18 programming as scheduled. And for next week, a week from today is Christmas, we will have a normal 8.30 a. I'm not sure about the time, but a normal sometime in the morning episode. So normal programming to help you win your league. Good morning, Jamie. Good morning, Adam. Good morning, guy that I'm playing in the FFT semifinals. Yeah, I think you're like a 20-point favorite. Looks like you got you guys.
this one in the bag. Congratulations on
advancing to the championship game.
Yeah, thanks. I got
a few of those. Although I think there
are some people who are big underdogs
this week because
they're facing JSN that may turn
out to be okay. Yes, we've got some
big weather concerns. Maybe
at the start, we'll talk about that in a little bit. Let's get
right into it with the players we love
and the players to avoid.
Jamie, we've got Jacoby Brissette against
Atlanta, Kenneth Gainwell at
Detroit, and Mike Evans at
Carolina.
Yeah, Berset is the start of the week again.
He was the start of the week two weeks ago.
But it just, it's crazy to me, two things, positive and somewhat negative.
That is start percentage is still only 28%.
And I know we're talking about a lot of leagues being done and people that may have had
them on their benches.
But like, you don't see that with a lot of other players.
And you certainly don't see that with a lot of where he's ranked and projected, except for
the three of us, which is why I decided to do this.
I wanted to present a united front and show.
how confident we are in one player.
We all have him third.
And when I saw that, I was like, you know what, based on where his numbers are from a
percentage standpoint and our confidence, like, I'm going to do it again.
I don't usually like to do the start of the week so close to each other if I do it twice
in the same season.
But he certainly played well enough.
Last week was impressive from his fantasy production.
And nine straight games over 20 fantasy points.
It's going to be 10.
Hopefully it's another one.
Hopefully it's his fourth or fifth.
I forget which what it is of his 25 points or more.
So there's just a lot to love about the situation.
especially against this Falcons defense.
In the case of Gainwell, I know it's not an easy matchup against Detroit.
Number one, if he was fancy points allowed to opposing running backs, I don't care when it comes to him.
I think we're going to see hopefully a high-scoring game, but I think we'll see the Lions score points,
Steelers chasing points, a lot of opportunities in the passing game for Gainwell.
They are fifth and fewest receptions allowed to running backs, but again, I don't think it matters
when it comes to a player like him.
He's going to get his opportunities.
Will he succeed with them?
That's the question, but he's been successful.
successful, 16 PPR points are more in four of his last five games.
And Mike Evans, I want to get the numbers here because he just absolutely destroys the
Carolina Panthers.
So in his last five games against them, the two last year were incredible.
But his last five games against them, here's what he's done.
36 catches, 606 yards, seven touchdowns.
Last year in two games, 16 catches, 21 yards, and three touchdowns on 21 targets.
Let's go, Mike Evans.
I like it.
You know, I'm glad you brought up Bresset because I've gotten more starter set questions this week, even though a lot of people are eliminated, you know, at this point, you know, up to the, up at this point in the week, so many emails like flooding the inbox, which is great.
And I'll try to answer, you know, as many as I can.
But Brissette keeps coming up.
So here's a couple in the chat.
Brissette or Burrow and Brissette or golf.
Brissette.
Brissette.
Brissette.
I think, you know, and obviously show the questions because, you know, you know, we love to highlight the audience.
We all have the same top three.
It's Josh Allen, Jalen, Hurts, Jacoby Percette.
Cool.
All right.
Next up, Heath, Justin Herbert at Dallas,
Michael Carter against Atlanta,
and Joanne Jennings at the Colts.
Yeah, I think, like, Justin Herbert
and this entire Chargers passing game
has been absolutely miserable over the last month
plus six weeks, and I just don't care.
If you look at the Dallas Cowboys defense,
J.J. McCarthy, Patrick Mahomes,
Jailen Hertz,
that Bo Nix, Bryce Young, Justin Fields, Jordan Love, Caleb Williams, Russell Wilson have all scored at least 20 fantasy points against this defense.
Half of them scored 30.
Jalen Hertz did it twice.
There's a lot of quarterbacks who have been worse than Justin Herbert, who were still able to do that against this defense.
The Cowboys shored up their run defense a little bit, but they just cannot do anything to stop the past.
Michael Carter, it's kind of just an attrition thing, right?
They've had so many running backs go down over the course of the season.
I think we finally have probably the most clarity we've had in a while.
He completely dominated touches last week after Bam Knight went out.
And this is a team that isn't very successful running the ball.
That's why Jacoby-Bresset's been so good and dropped back 48 times.
But they throw the ball that generally six catches per game for their running backs.
Even if Michael Carter gets half of those and has three catches for 20 yards.
and then he's also going to have the vast majority of the run game work.
I think he will be a top 20 running back.
And the third one is Joanne Jennings.
He's just been absolutely awesome.
The clear number one wide receiver on this team,
especially with Ricky Pearsall likely out.
It's Pearsall, it's Kiddle, it's McCaffrey,
and they're going to score all the points.
Adam, you name the two quarterbacks who have not scored 20 fantasy points against the Cowboys.
Gino Smith
Right
That's one
And oh
It was
Oh
Um
Who
Jergoff
Oh yeah
Oh unbelievable
Since Sauce Gardner left
In week 13 after two snaps
The Colts have allowed
11 and a half
For more PPR fantasy points
To seven wide receivers
In their last three games
They're also without
Charverius Ward
So it's a high floor
I think for Joanne Jennings
All right
Michael Carter, one Michael Carter question in the chat.
It's a good one here.
Michael Carter, Quinchon Judkins, good matchup for him, or a Mecca-A-A-A-Bucca.
PPR.
I have Judkins one spot ahead of Carter.
Oh, okay.
All right, let's get to some players we don't like.
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All right, let's get to players to avoid.
We got Sam Darnold tonight.
This is for Heath.
Sam Darnold, tonight against the Rams.
Justin, oh, Justin Jefferson at the Giants.
That's so sad.
And Dalton Kincaid at Cleveland.
Yeah, I think I've been kind of too low at times on Sam Darnold,
but sometimes right, because I was too.
low on Sam Darnold. It's just, it's been a very low volume, high efficiency attack. I do not like
this matchup form against the Rams. And I do not think with the weather, it sounds like it's going to be
terrible at the start and then maybe improving as the game goes on, but they've got like a windstorm up
there or something, which will have to check that closer to the start of the game. But you should stay away from
Sam Darnold, regardless of how the weather is, especially if it's bad. Justin Jefferson, and I, I want
to look this up and make sure that I've still got it right. He has three straight games
below 25 receiving yards. First off, he'd never had a streak like that in his entire
career, even his rookie year when he wasn't playing very much at the start of the year, his very
first game, he had 26 receiving yards. He had not, before this stretch, when he went 4.11, 22,
The last time that Justin Jefferson had fewer than 25 receiving yards in a game was January 1st of 2023.
He almost went the entirety of 2023, 2024, and 2025 without hitting this mark, and now it's three weeks in a row.
I don't really understand watching them why he and J.J. McCarthy are just never quite on the same page.
and he seems like it's kind of like
I think it was Roma Dunezay last year
with Caleb Williams
that Caleb Williams off target rate was just so much
higher whenever he was throwing to Roma Dunezay
that seems to be the case here
if I somehow survive with Jefferson on my team
I can't trust him now
and I don't want to trust Dalton Kincaid
he has the ability to catch a pass and break a couple
tackles and give us a big
gain or scory touchdown
but I think this is probably a very run
heavy game for the bills against the Browns
all right and jamie's three players that he wants to avoid the first one's really interesting because the the okay i mean i get it jackson dart against minnesota
we'll talk about this more tomorrow but minnesota's pretty injured now they just put a starting safety on i r starting edge rusher out for this season
so you got dart against the vikings ashton gentie at houston and bryan thomas junior at denver
Lamar Jackson, Caleb Williams, Jordan Love, Sam Darnold, Jane Daniels, Dack Prescott.
They felt all of those quarterbacks in a row to 18.6 fantasy points or less.
And DART has been great.
He's got one game under 19 and a half fantasy points, 19.6 fantasy points.
And that was against New England in week 13, first game off the concussion.
So it's very difficult to get away from DART if you've been starting him.
But Minnesota, they've been banged up at times during the stretch too.
Maybe not to this extent.
But I don't know, this just, Brian Flores is put on a clinic right now against opposing
quarterbacks.
The only one of that stretch that's done well against them in terms of yardage was
Dak Prescott to go over 200 yards.
Like they've just been amazing.
One touchdown in the last six games allowed to opposing quarterback.
So, and if you're counting on his rushing, their eighth best in terms of fewest rushing
allowed rushing yards allowed to opposing quarterbacks.
So if they're going to limit his rushing and limit his passing, I don't know.
That doesn't sound like a great quarterback to me in a matchup.
Ashton Genti's just been clearly struggling the last two weeks, but he's got one touchdown.
It was on a reception since week 10.
His last three games, I believe, is let me get it happened in front of me.
His last three games have been 30 yards rushing or less, if I'm not mistaken.
35 yards, rushing yards less than three games in a row.
And this Houston defense is obviously fantastic.
I know they're missing one of their defensive linemen, but number seven in few as fancy points allowed to opposing running backs.
And then in case of Brian Thomas, you're talking about still taking on Denver, they allow the fewest touchdowns to opposing wide receivers at five.
It was my argument against Christian Watson last week because they only had allowed five receiving touchdowns to wide receivers last week.
That number stayed the same because no receiver caught a touchdown against the Packers.
So I know Thomas looked much better last week.
It's a much better the last two weeks.
This is not the match, but you don't trust them.
Yeah, it would be interesting to see what they do with Sartan in this game because Parker Washington played last week and Jacoby Myers was almost exclusively on the out.
outside, 15% slot rate.
So I think that's kind of, kind of know what the Jaguars are now.
They've got two outside receivers.
What does, what does Sartan do?
I'm thinking probably does not shadow anyone.
So I will ask you shortly if you also extend your concerns about Brian Thomas Jr.
to Jacoby Myers.
So stay tuned for that.
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All right, we've talked about 12 players in 12 minutes.
Start Brissette, Gainwell, and Evans, says Jamie.
Start Herbert, Michael Carter, and Jennings says Heath.
Heath says sit, darn old, Justin Jefferson, and Kincaid.
And Jamie says sit, Dart, Gentie, and Brian Thomas, Jr., if you can.
And I say, stay tuned, because we'll talk about the injuries, news, and notes,
and one question for each game when we come back.
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So weather tonight in Seattle could be rainy at the start.
Could be windy at points in the game.
So, Jamie, have you adjusted your staff?
Stafford rankings or anything in this matchup?
No, he's, you know, he's not the type of quarterback that needs to make a lot of downfield throws to be successful.
You know, they're so creative with how they get Pucca open.
And I think the same thing with Colby Parkinson, that those players and Stafford in particular won't have to necessarily struggle to the same extent that you would see a lot of quarterbacks that challenge down the field.
So I'll probably drop him a spot or two, especially if T. Higgins practices, for example.
So I'll drop him behind Burrow.
I'm dropping behind, bro.
But he won't fall that far.
No.
I was just looking and I told Adam this already,
but I'm a little behind in my process.
Today, I'm going to get some rankings updates done after the show.
So I'll be talking about projections.
But the over-under was 44.5 in this game at the beginning of the week.
It's currently 42 and a half.
I'll be interested to see if it continues to fall throughout the day.
That'll probably give us a good.
idea of how the forecast is changing
because from what I read
with Kevin Roth it sounds like this is mostly
right now a first half concern
and I think if that storm
gets there a little bit quicker and it's over
by the first quarter then maybe it doesn't matter as much
if that's if that storm gets there a little bit later
and it lasts the entire game it could be a disaster
yeah I think I think part
of the line movement is
Devante Adams and cross for the
Seahawks two big pretty big injuries
I don't know but those guys were injured
no one thought Adams was going to play
Well, I mean, after what McVeigh said, I guess, but Adams is doubtful, Cross is out, and I mean, I'd say personally, you know, I picked up Parkinson in a couple of leagues, and if it's really bad, I'll start them over Tyler Warren still, but I, the other league I have Dalton Schultz, and I probably would stick with Schultz.
You know, the Raiders have been so good against tight ends, but I went back and I watched how they covered Dallas Goddard, and I would say they didn't.
It was pathetic.
So I hope that continues.
I got a little less afraid of Schultz.
It could just be one bad game for the Raiders,
but man, they were horrible against Goddard.
It wasn't just the touchdowns didn't bother me,
because those were just like well-designed plays
at the five-yard line.
The other stuff is horrible.
Okay, Quinn Ewers is going to start from Miami.
So we'll talk about that game soon,
but Heath just to a bench,
she's the number three quarterback.
when you were starting, does that mean a downgrade for A. Chan, Waddle, and Waller?
Yeah, I mean, I don't think it really matters if we downgrade A. Chan a little bit.
Like, he was so far into must-start territory that maybe he's an average RB1 instead of one of the
elite RB ones. I don't really think with the way wide receiver looks, for me, it matters that much
if we downgrade Waddle a little bit. I think you probably still have to start him.
Waller was the guy who we were boosting up because of this matchup and his good last game.
And he is the guy who is most reliant on scoring touchdowns.
And this is another one where at the start of the week, the dolphins had an implied total, I think, of 24 and a half.
And I think right now it might be 21 and a half.
So at least the odds makers don't think that Quinn Ewers is going to spark this offense.
It seems more like a punishment for two of playing so bad than something that's actually trying to make the team perform better.
So, yeah, the most notable one for me is Waller moves from a starter to a high-end, tied-in two.
I think from the standpoint of you wish you had seen backup quarterbacks because we've had many situations like this play well on this offense.
Because the offense is typically good.
You know, they're having a certainly down, you're throwing the ball this year.
And I don't know how much of that is too, but there's no like, oh, okay, here comes Joe Flacco.
You're going to feel very confident about that because it's a veteran guy that's had success in the system, et cetera.
Like, they've been so bad.
They've been absolutely awful every time Tua has gone down since he's become the full-time starter.
Forget about the Ryan Fitzpatrick here.
This has just been so terrible.
And so you have this rookie who may be more talented than Tua at this point.
You know, Tua is just not throwing the ball very well at all.
You know, you hope separate conversation that, you know, Tua processes things differently than Quinn Ewers because he's been in the league for so long.
But I think from like an arms talent standpoint, from maybe helping the receivers, like this could be a plus, you know, in just how they get the ball and some of the play design, you know, maybe there's a little bit more confidence in some of the things that Mike McDaniel is going to allow when you were to do.
But I think to what Heath is saying, like I don't know how far you drop Waddle.
Like Waddle was around, I was concerned to begin.
So it was like 18 to 20 already.
I dropped in like 23, so four or five spots.
Darren Waller was, you know, top eight tight end, top six, whatever it was at points this week.
And, you know, now he's hanging on at 12 just because the matchup's so good.
And I think, again, like there may be some chances here for Quinn Ewer, but it could go so many different directions here in how poorly the receivers can go and perform or how great they could be.
And then it's like, oh, God, we wish we had this all season long.
with somebody that can, you know,
throw the ball down the field
with some semblance of success.
Yeah.
That's not his strength.
Actually, reading Dave's scouting report of him.
He's not great throwing the ball down field
and then you go on.
Neither is to us.
So it's not like we're going from, you know, bad to worse.
They don't do that.
They don't really do that anyway.
Yeah, I look, it's a tough matchup for Waddle to begin with.
Bengals are six best against receivers.
We know DJ Turner's had a really strong year
and he's probably going to shadow Wai.
Man, I'm sure we'd start Juan Jennings over Waddle, right?
Yep, yeah.
I mean, would you start Michael Wilson over Waddle if Harrison plays?
No.
No.
Quick no for Heath, hesitant no for Jamie.
Okay.
All right.
So that's previewed half of that game.
Gino Smith is trending in the right direction.
Looks like he will probably start at Houston.
And Brady Cook is going to start for the Jets.
And the other guys, at least one of them is healthy.
but the Jets are just going with Brady Cook
and I'll talk about what that might mean for Brees Hall
because last week they pretty much not evenly
but they split pretty somewhat evenly
the two running back so it's just a youth movement here
for the Jets now running back news
RJ Harvey practiced in full that is great news
Javante Williams was limited
Devin Neal has been ruled out
Alvin Camara also missed practice
DeAndre Swift was limited
should be fine Woody Marks missed practice
but Nick Chubb was limited
so maybe Nick Chubb is the guy to
pick up. Hopefully Marks gets out there
and practices today. Remember, they said
he would have been fine to go back in last
week. Josh Jacobs missed
practice. Don't drop Emmanuel Wilson
just yet. They play at Chicago on Saturday.
And Dylan Samson mispractice.
Wide receiver. Marvin Harrison Jr., they only had a
walkthrough yesterday, but Marvin Harrison Jr. was
in theory, limited.
So good sign for him.
Rahim Morris said he's looking forward
to seeing how much Drake London can give
the Falcons this week, so maybe London's going
to play. Christian Watson expects
to play. Jaden Reed mispractice for personal reasons, but it looks like Watson should be back
this week. This is a big one. Rishie Rice and Tyquan Thornton are in the concussion protocol.
So be prepared to not have Rishie Rice. And I saw Heath picked up Marquise Brown in a league.
He scored eight or more fantasy points in PPR in each of the first six games of the season.
Without Rice, he had a couple of boom games in there with about 20 fantasy points. So
Marquise Brown missed last week's game for personal reasons. He's back practicing this week.
T. Higgins was limited but still in the concussion protocol.
Teterol McMillan mispractice.
Pat Bryant practiced in full.
So if you have Troy Franklin, that is not good news.
Devante Adams is doubtful.
Quentin Johnson back at practice.
Devon Valet has been ruled out.
And Romo Dunzei and Luther Burden mispractice.
Right now we're not expecting them.
Tight end, David Adjoku mispractice.
Dalton Kincaid mispractice.
I think he's fine.
Kate Otten got in a limited session.
Mason Taylor will be out this week.
Offensive line.
Tonight, left tackle Charles Cross for the Seahawks.
He's out, both tackles for the Chiefs mispractice.
Carolina left tackle, Ikeaquanoo mispractice.
It's a big game for them.
They hope to get him back.
Minnesota's offensive line is very beat up.
Usually it's beat up and then guys play,
but I don't know that Derisaw is going to play at the Giants.
Good news for the Chargers and for Justin Herbert,
Trey Pipkins, their right tackle.
He practiced.
Cleveland's offensive line's a little beat up,
but Wyatt Teller practice and Philadelphia's offensive line,
missing three players yesterday, two tackles, both of them right tackles,
and guard, Landon Dickerson.
Big news on defense, I guess, would be Quinn and Williams for the Cowboys
Missing Practice.
I mentioned the Vikings are a little beat up, and the Patriots.
We've got to keep an eye on this.
The Patriots, the Wednesday practice report, you don't want to panic,
but they had three linebackers and starting cornerback Carlton Davis missing practice.
Davis, I think, would be the most concerning he left last week's game.
Heath, you know that I fret when the shows are.
going too long and today's is going too long, but I will make an exception and I want you to
talk about what you did yesterday, your charitable endeavor. Yeah, yeah. I was, I think it was my
seventh or eighth year going shopping for fantasy cares, buying toys for toys for tots. And I'm going to
do a little dad brag here because normally I do a really good, not really good, an acceptable
job of like planning it out and getting people to help. And we have like four.
or five cars and family or friends or coworkers or whatever, I did not do that this year.
And so Tuesday night on the way to basketball practice, I told my son, so we're going to wake
up at 7 o'clock tomorrow and just go take care of the Toys for Tots by ourselves.
So two cars, two guys, and about two hours, bought $6,600 worth of toys for Toys for Tots,
fit 10 carts into two vehicles, went and took them and delivered them.
I thank you to everybody who supports fantasy cares, plays in the Scott Fishbowl or any of those other events.
Like, we don't get to do this unless a bunch of people donate a bunch of money.
So it was, it's not way to go Heath.
It's way to go everybody that donated money.
So thank you guys.
Yeah, great job.
It's great job, Heath.
And, you know, it's funny because Adam wears clothes for tots.
So it's nice.
All right.
One question.
Oh, you know, actually, comment in the chat from.
We have to spend a little bit more time on the, you know,
Marvin Harrison, Michael Wilson thing, and the Drake London, Kyle Pitts thing, and the Saints
running backs. Those are the biggest dilemmas of the week.
Okay. And unfortunately, all three of those games are Friday show. So, yeah, as it relates to Thursday
night, is there anything that changes for you? Well, I think for anybody that's considering
the Saints running backs compared to the Seahawks running backs. So if you tell me right now that
there is no
Camara
and we know
Devin Neal's ruled out
like I'm starting estimate
over both Seattle
running backs
I can't
I can't
I get it
I think it
like it's
it could really work out well
and you could really
feel smart
I just am worried
that it's too much
of a committee
and too much of a disaster
which which side
Seattle's just
I mean the matchup
is so much better
for the Saints guys
against the Jets, so much better.
Okay, I could see that.
Now, Michael Wilson,
you're not going to start Rashid Shaheed over Michael Wilson, are you?
No.
No.
Yeah.
Even if Harrison plays, right?
No, I would say if you have Rashid Shaheed and Michael Wilson,
you're probably needed to drop Rashid Shaheed and find somebody
that's a backup plan for Michael Wilson.
Yeah, but there's no players like that that are on waivers at this point.
Like maybe Marquis Brown, if you want to, you know, say that potential.
um you know jaden higgins maybe the one of the packers guys if christian watson's out you know
there's i mean last i looked luther burton was to like 35 percent roster he's not he right he might
be might not play but i'd rather have him on my bench right now than she heat if i was
waiting at wilson just keep in mind that because of the saturday games we're going to get
the game designations today so you mentioned josh jacobs if jacob doesn't practice today like
that could be a problem yeah all right look it's a it's a it's a business
the injury report this week for sure but but the the other side of this is is and i know the
answer is no because it'd be no for me too but if drake london practices in full today
would you consider parkinson over pits you'd have to consider it yeah then you've got this weather
thing you know i don't know that the well sorry i don't know how much and
I haven't tested this, but I just don't feel like the weather matters quite as much to guys like the short area target tight ends.
I don't know either, but I think it matters, you know, it's, I don't know.
All right, let's go to one question for each game.
Just to the point, Colby Parkinson's A-D for the year is 3.4.
Yeah, I know, and I haven't really looked into that either, but I just feel like it.
It makes everything worse.
You know?
Is this the Rams last primetime game?
Have they been flexed to anything?
I don't know.
Because this could be Stafford's MVP game.
Has to be.
I remember thinking about that about Brock Purdy a few years ago
and he threw four interceptions against the Ravens.
So I don't really buy into that narrative.
I think Purdy was not the front runner, though.
He was up there.
I remember it was a big game for him.
One question for each game.
Jacksonville at Denver.
So how do you approach the Jaguars wide receivers, Jamie?
You said you want to sit Brian Thomas Jr.
How about Parker Wash?
Sorry, how about Jacoby Myers?
So I lean more toward body of work in the case of Myers versus Thomas for the season.
And Myers has clearly been better in his time with Jacksonville and Thomas has consistently at any point this year.
And if you're going to most likely try and figure out where Certan will go if he's going to follow somebody,
it's most likely going to be Brian Thomas because of his big play potential.
So I still think Myers is a low-end number two, high-end number three receiver.
He's still the guy that I think right now, Trevor Lawrence trusts.
In the case of Thomas, I would try to sit in him, but you're probably still starting him in three-receiver leagues.
Jalen Waddle or Jacoby Myers?
I have Waddle one spot ahead of Myers right now.
One's at 23, one's a 24.
Heath, Pittsburgh's at Detroit.
Startersit, D.K. Metcalf, the Lions allow the second-most fantasy points to receivers and the most big plays in the NFL.
Well, we're talking about how we probably have to leave Jalen Waddle in as a number two wide receiver, despite the fact Quinn U.S. is his QB.
And we're going to start Jacoby Myers, I agree with Jamie, against the Denver Broncos.
So I think that tells you about the state of the wide receiver position, which is what it's been most of the year.
DK is a low-in number wide receiver two for me.
He might just be awful, but he might also finish the top 12 guy.
I can't wait for the transaction that happens.
today when the Steelers sign
Alan Lazard and Aaron
Rogers has his dream scenario of
Lazard, Thielen, and MVS all lined
up in one formation and
just here we go.
New England's at Baltimore, Jamie,
who do you like better as a flex? Trevian
Henderson or Zay Flowers?
Henderson, but they're close.
I've been very anti-flowers recently and has
come back to bite me. The last two weeks
he's been solid. He has yet to put
together three straight games of 12 ppr points or more. His floor has been excellent. He has only
been under 11 ppr points three times this season. We know the one disastrous game against Cincinnati,
but I think you just look at it as the ceiling for Henderson is so much higher as we've come to
find out. And last week was awesome. You hope that, okay, post-by, rookies unleashed, you know,
first game was great against Buffalo. This matchup is worse, but not, you know, horrific. And the Ravens,
I'm sure you said this at some point this week,
but, you know, losing Buchanan,
the rookie linebacker is not going to help that defense.
So there's still plenty of upside here for Henderson.
So I like them both, but I would go Henderson.
Heath, Cincinnati at Miami,
it got a lot of,
I've gotten a lot of Joe Burrow questions,
and I totally understand it.
How do you feel about Burrow this week?
He is a very, very,
Borough, DeLont.
Borough, der Line.
Yeah, I got you.
Borough to line, yep.
I tried to do an Adam thing,
and it failed.
as dumb as Adam usually does. I apologize.
I'm sorry, that wasn't nice.
Yeah, that was good. He's the very borderline QB one.
I think as of right now, I've got him at QB11.
Now, I'm more positive on Jackson Dart than Jamie is, but I think there's kind of three guys right there,
and it's Dart and Dak, who have been better than what we've seen from Burrow this year,
for the most part,
but have matchups against defenses
that have just shut everyone down
or kind of rolling the dice with Burrow.
Okay.
I think Jamie's going to be a little higher on Burrow.
We'll talk about that in a bit.
Buffalo at Cleveland.
Jamie, start us at Quinn Sean Judkins.
He finally gets a good matchup.
I mean, you say finally gets a good matchup.
He's had a couple of those
and just hasn't done well against them.
So he's a low end number two running back.
You know, I hope he takes advantage
of Buffalo's defense.
their just offensive environment right now is just not good
unless they're facing the Titans from a passing game perspective
and this is not that type of game.
So they're going to get behind early, most likely.
Judkins, you know, hopefully finds the end zone.
If he's not scoring touchdowns, he just hasn't proven to be very consistent
or, you know, trustworthy.
So, you know, the question earlier, I struggled with it also.
I think he said he has Judkins one spot ahead of Carter.
I think I just moved Carter behind Judkins just because, you know,
you can pencil in the touch as is guaranteed for Judkins.
You can't necessarily say that with Carter,
even though they're so beat up.
It could be a Demercato week for all we know.
So I feel a little bit more safer with Judkins.
I think the upside favor is somebody like Carter, though.
So, again, low-end number two running back.
Kansas City's at Tennessee.
Heath is Travis Kelsey the only safe start in this game?
No.
Chief's defense.
You know, the Titans have actually been really,
the DST against the Titan has been terrible two straight weeks.
I'll go right back to it, but okay.
Other than that, there's not one thing safe about this game.
Yeah, okay, including Tony Pollard.
San Francisco's at the Colts.
I'll go right back to Heath.
Are you starting anyone in the Colts passing game?
Hopefully not.
I really don't want to.
I think I've got Michael Pittman in the wide receiver 30-ish range,
but that's just by default because of the position,
not because I'm very excited about him.
Tyler Warren is for me,
kind of one of the tougher tight-ins to rank.
He's right around tight-in 13.
I think I have him ahead of Waller now,
but I would really feel better about my chances
if I wasn't starting any of those guys.
Okay, and finally, Jamie Las Vegas at Houston.
Who's a better start?
Ashton Gentie or Woody Marks if he plays?
I'd go to Marks, you know, a much easier opponent.
And, you know, there's got to be some concern now, not just if Nick Chub plays,
but also if they decide to give Joward Jordan some touches after what he did last week.
So do we get three guys maybe carrying the ball as opposed to what we saw from Marks the last time he was fully healthy with 26 carries against the Chiefs.
So somewhat of a risk, but, I mean, Genti's just been struggling so badly.
And this Texas defense is too good.
Let's get into the games.
Jacksonville is at Denver.
So here's the thing.
If we talked about a guy on yesterday's show on the tough calls, we're not going to spend a ton of time on him today.
So Trevor Lawrence is someone we've talked about on Beyond the Box score on Tuesday, on Wednesday.
He is 18th for Jamie, 17th for Heath and Dave.
So try to sit Trevor Lawrence.
Travis E.N is a top 11 running back.
I will point out 3.8 yards per carrier worse in six of his last seven games.
He's got a tough matchup.
But if you have, just good luck sitting Travis.
Etienne.
Vajal Tootin's out every down back, perhaps.
No, they'll use Clint Allen, but you'll get, you got plenty of touches from ETN.
Yeah, it's a tough matchup, but you got to start him.
We have talked about the wide receivers.
So let's do a little Jacobi Myers or, first of all, Cortland Sutton, the best
wide receiver in this game.
Buy a lot, yeah.
Yeah, he is.
Would you start RJ Harvey or Jacobi Myers?
I'd start Harvey.
Harvey.
would you start
let me get my schedule up here
so I'm asking good questions
Jacobi Myers or
um
Xavier Worthy if Rishie Rice
were out
Myers
I have them very close
but Myers though
Ladd McConkey at Dallas or Myers
I'd go McConkey
Myers
so how about Brian Thomas Jr
or Xavier Worthy
if Rishie Rice were out
I would go with
Worthy
Worthy
Heath do you also feel like
I think you said earlier
Myers is still
a guy to start
and Brian Thomas Jr.
is the one
who's going to suffer
in this game.
Yes.
I mean,
I think Brian Thomas Jr.
is a boom-bust flex.
He's just
that way downfield
target guy and I'm not
sure Trevor Lawrence
is going to have
the time to make
those types of plays.
That's been the thing
their past protection
has been great
the last two weeks.
They've been fourth best
and pressure rate allowed
but they have faced teams
that don't have pass rush
and here come the Broncos
they have one of the best
in football.
It's so fascinating
that this could be
a preview of the AFC championship.
Yeah, it's wild.
And if the Jaguars lose,
they could, I think
they could be the seven seed
on Tuesday.
You know, if the Texans win
and the Jaguars lose,
it's really bunched up.
I know that I'm biased, but just looking at the quarterbacks that we're going to watch in the playoffs and the quarterbacks that we're going to miss in the playoffs, I'm already sad about it.
It's crazy. You think you're sad. I think the networks feel.
I was, I'll tell us just quick story. I was in the room because we used to go watch games in New York. We used to do a show in New York. And Dave and I would alternate every week. So we used to go watch games with the NFL Today crew. I was in the room with, I forget the CBS executive and TV guy.
I think they're head of sales
when
Brady tore his ACL
week one of 2008
and the look of
horror on that man's face
and the scream
and the language
it was
it was like oh my God
like
sickening
just to see like what he
what he was feeling at that point
so you say networks
I go there every time
that that vision of that man
and just how
literally like he wanted to vomit you know like you could have told him somebody died and he would
probably felt worse about the same feeling like that's how he i mean i'm telling you like the look
of horror on a person's face like that that's where he what uh wow wow what's his bonus i guess
uh all right bo nix is top 12 bo nix or um dac prescott i'd go dack still but i can certainly
understand the want to go with uh with nix
yeah this is the spot where bow knicks does well i mean does great
yeah he's at home um and i think like everything james said about jackson dart is pretty
much true about but dack prescott this week like the chargers defense the last two months
maybe it hasn't been quite as good at quarterbacks but it's there's been some good ones
oh it has yeah and they haven't let anybody get close to 20 points really so i've got nicks
just ahead of them, but they're both top 12.
Okay.
Yeah, Nick's coming off a great game.
He's got a Jaguars.
Jaguars have been really good lately defensively,
but they really haven't faced a lot of tough opponents.
They have held Jacoby Percette to 20.7 fantasy points,
which is bad for him.
And then Justin Herbert had that horrible game as well.
But since then, it's been Cam Ward,
the Colts quarterbacks with Jones leaving and Brady Cook.
Let's see.
The Denver running backs, okay, it's just Harvey that we're looking at now.
He practiced in full, so that's exciting.
And he got 19 carries last week.
Again, this is another guy where it's a brutal matchup,
but I'm only having one remaining league.
There's no way I'm sitting him.
If he has a bad game, you kind of have to live with it.
So would you start Harvey or Sequin Barclay this week?
Just throw that out there.
Barclay by a lot.
They're very close for me, but I've got Barclay higher.
I was the only guy that might be in question that I would start over.
over him is Kenneth Gainwell
and PPR. I think just looking at
what he's done, their
best stretch of games, Gainwell's
been better. Start
Sutton and
he's top 13.
Any interest in
another Broncos receiver?
I feel like someone's probably going to be pretty good.
Yeah, I agree.
Yeah. If you can start
Broncos two through four
wide receivers, I think that's probably
a good play. But, you know,
what we saw before the injury is when Pat Bryant was kind of taking over Troy Franklin's
snaps and routes. I think the problem with that is when Troy Franklin plays more,
he's useful for fantasy. When Pat Bryant does, he isn't as much. And we don't know coming back
off the injury, it is still Sean Peyton. Like, he may just decide to stick with Troy Franklin.
Marvin Mims had a 19% target share last week. Maybe it's now Marvin Mims season.
just there's no floor there at all for these guys you wonder if just coming off of arguably
nix's best game against a really good defense it's just like let's just stick with what
worked yeah you know that that'll be the hope i and you're you're right you know that he could
change his feelings of this at any point you know you would just like to see okay hey hey pat
b you go be little jordan hub for me and and let's leave franklin and his targets alone you know
playing time beside let's just
let Franklin be the guy.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, again,
little Jordan Humphrey
did out snap Franklin last week,
so that's what Pat Bryant was doing.
He was a good blocker.
He ran more routes than him as well.
That was what Pat Bryant was doing
when he was healthy,
and now he should be back.
He practiced in full.
If you are going to gamble on another receiver,
you're gambling on Franklin.
On Franklin?
Okay.
Shaheed or Franklin?
I'd go Franklin.
Franklin.
All right.
Some chat questions?
I had Franklin before.
or Pat Bryant practice as
almost a number two receiver this week.
Yeah, yeah.
It's almost like a poor man's version
of the Arizona situation.
Like if Pat Bryant's gone,
it's like Marvin Harrison not being there.
Should be hopefully a good game
for the Broncos offense.
Brian Thomas Jr.
Blake Corum, half PPR.
I go Thomas.
There's more upside, I think,
with quorum facing Seattle.
Yeah.
ETN or Harvey?
ETN.
ATN.
ATN.
In all formats?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Myers or Evans
Evans?
Myers or Flowers?
Flowers.
Pick two.
Hampton, Harvey,
Aaron Jones, Michael Carter.
Right now, it would be Jones and Harvey.
Jones has got such a great matchup.
If Quinn and Williams is definitely out,
that changes things.
I may go Jones and Hampton.
I've got Harvey and Carter.
Harvey or Bucky Irving,
PPR.
I love Bucky against the Panthers this week.
Okay.
Split there.
Brian Thomas Jr.
or Jalen Coker?
I'd go Coker without a doubt if McMillan's out.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
I've got Coker with McMillan.
Nicks or Stafford?
Stafford.
Nicks for me.
Wow.
Okay.
We got a lot of disagreements.
Yeah, I like it.
All right, we'll take a break.
Oh, by the way, Denver DST is still worth starting.
Jacksonville is.
not. I think Dave has them
12th. That's the highest ranking for the Jaguars
DST. They are one to hold on to
though if you want to, if you carry two defense. Does they get
the Colts next week? Yeah. All right, we'll take a
break. Pittsburgh at Detroit
and six other games when we come back.
Okay, let me give you my...
So this game, right, Jared Goff is, I think,
QB4 or something like that. He's four or five
for everyone. So start Jared Gough.
Jacob Rosset over him. But
Goff is a start.
St. Brown's a start. Gibbs is
a start. Jamo is a
start.
And he's the top
12.
So
Rogers is not.
Rogers is 23rd
or 24th,
but the Lions
past defense is
horrible.
So I guess it
wouldn't shock us
if Rogers
had a good game.
So let me give
you two concerns.
Two concerns.
Number one,
in the last four
games, Kenneth
Gainwell has
nine or more.
Yeah,
nine or more
carries in two games,
four to five
carries in two games.
I definitely could see,
you know what?
Forget it.
I guess I'm
just concerned that gainwell all of his production basically is going to be in the passing game
i had gainwell and i did the projections and i know jamie had him as one of his starts at the top
and i didn't really talk about it but i have him is like a top 18 running back in the ppr projections
and i'm terrified i'm terrified because this is still a committee and it has been trending
towards gain well lately especially in the passing game the lions have just destroyed running
backs in the passing game.
I think Jamie said they're top five in receptions.
They're top three, I think, in receiving yards allowed.
Second.
And I think maybe part of that reason is because their secondary is not very good.
And quarterbacks are able to throw the ball to the wide receivers downfield instead of
dumping it off to the running backs.
Now, Pittsburgh designs a lot of stuff to Kenneth Gainwell.
But if Detroit's already been good at that and now facing a team that only wants to do
that, I think you have to start Kenneth Gainwell, but it's probably the guy that I
I have ranked as like you're not thinking about sitting him, that I really am terrified.
But you don't, I don't know that you have to start him in, in half PPR.
You certainly don't in non-PPR.
I mean, this is probably the one guy who has the most change in value based on format this week.
He's up there, right?
Yeah, there's a, there's a 10-spot difference between where he is and the projections.
It's, it's really like he and Ashton Genty are the two guys.
Right.
But when you look at it, though, like the teams that they faced,
body of work obviously matters here.
Look at the teams that they've played
and how little they typically
throw to their running backs.
Just starting from most recent,
the Rams, very little to their backs.
Dallas, we know what Giovante Williams
has been in the passing game.
Jacobs is a little bit of surprise.
They're only one catch for eight yards.
Tyrone Tracy, three catches,
68 yards. That's a little bit fluky
from a yard standpoint.
Philadelphia, they've stopped throwing to Barclay.
Commanders, they don't throw to their running backs.
Minnesota, Adam, number, who started in that game,
it's a good point it's a good point like a lot of it is is who they've played and so to to your point
he's yes most of it probably has to do with their secondary being bad and quarterbacks challenging down the field
and you think about some of the quarterbacks that you know those those teams are um you can make a case
gainwell is the best receiver for the for the Steelers you know how how they use him how Rogers relies on him
certainly his reception total you know it it's it's just one of those situations
where, yeah, I'm scared, too.
I think if you, you know, I have several teams where I have both Steelers running back.
To me, it's easy to go with Gamewell over Warren at this point.
This feels like a terrible game script for Warren if he's not going to be involved in the passing game.
So, I don't know.
Again, I try and always script out these games in my head and lions playing with a lead,
Steelers chasing points.
This is Gainwell's, you know, perfect scenario if you were to design one.
So it feels like he's, he's worth starting.
starting to where you're starting him and comparing them to.
So, again, like, I don't love the matchup against Jacksonville.
Their run defense has been great.
I'm still starting Harvey, but I think the upside and PPR favors somebody like Gainwell, again,
who's been better over the last five weeks.
Oh, look at that.
You answered the question, Harvey.
You're Gainwell.
So you are going with R.J. Harvey.
Yeah.
Yeah, Gainwell ran so well last week.
So maybe they just stick with him as the prime, maybe a little even split.
And it's not like it comes off in goal-to-goal situations either.
sometimes sometimes he does you just never know no no he's not the primary guy there but it's it's
they're not like oh we got to run him off the field yeah exactly uh all right i got some questions
i'll get too late in a second from the chat so that's gainwell uh so like hampton
gentie judkins are we starting gainwell over those guys i am i don't have hampton really
in that conversation um he's he's lower than all those guys for me um i think it would i'm probably
going to be lower. I've got Gainwell just ahead of Judkins only in full PPR.
Here's a good one. Gainwell, DeAndre Swift, or Emmanuel Wilson if Jacobs sits?
I'd still go Swift.
I would probably, I'd probably go Wilson if Jacobs is out.
Okay. Oh, yeah, I'm sorry. I go Wilson.
I love Swift, though.
Man, he's playing great. Wilson's got a brutal matchup if Jacobs is out.
I mean, man, that run defense has been so good with T.J. Edwards.
3.7 yards per carry allowed to running backs when he's on the field.
But what Swift gave you against the Packers last time, 11 points?
Did he just not score?
He didn't score touchdown.
He's got three, his last three games, two over 20 PPR points.
One was 11.
The 11 was against the Packers.
But this Packers defense, like, we have to see what this looks like without two of their starting front seven.
Right.
And the Bears run on everyone.
It's just the matter of like Swift may not have more than one or two catches and then will he score.
But I get it.
D.K. Metcalf is top 18, so you're going to start him for the most part and just hope for the
best here. He's had a very tough schedule this year. He's only faced by what I saw, two teams that
are bottom 10 against wide receivers. He had one terrible game. No, I think three, because I think
the bears, too. I think he's had two bad games and one great game in those matchups, but it's been a lot
of tough opponents for D.K. Metcalf, this is on paper his easiest matchup. Sit the tight ends in this
game. Again, Jared Gough is top five. He's fourth for both Jamie and Heath. Any interest in
David Montgomery, Heath? Not really. I mean, he keeps scoring touchdown. So if you have to
put him in it as a flex, you have that hope that he scores a touchdown. But his playing time and
his touches have fallen off so far since Dan Campbell was calling plays. And they've gone from saying
that we have to get David Montgomery more involved to saying that he's a really classy pro for
the way he's handling this.
So I think maybe he gets 10 touches, probably he has eight.
You just hope he falls in the end zone.
Yeah, I think it's silly to bring this up because Jameson Williams is in your top 12.
I think he's sixth for Heath.
But the Steelers have, you know, in their last five games, the Bengals receivers, the Bears
receivers, the Bills receivers, the Dolphins receivers, none of them had more than 64 yards.
Zayflower's had a huge game, but that's it.
Steelers' past defense has been much better.
Um, I'm not, I'm starting JMO, but I just thought I'd bring that up, but, you know, we'll see how he does.
And the Lions DST, you guys have them 12th or 11th, I believe.
You know, it's not great.
Yeah, try to look for replacements, but Pittsburgh, like, Rogers doesn't throw interceptions,
so they don't give up a lot of points to DSTs.
I think, good.
The one thing where you can, again, you play this out, like the volume of attempts could be up for him if they're throwing late.
in the game and taking some sacks like it's not this is not a great week for dsts and i'd probably
i think when you're talking dst scoring is so like across wild across the board but i think i
might like them a little better if you're getting points for holding teams to lower point totals or
lower yardage as opposed to only getting points for mistakes the offense makes all right few
questions from the chat i need a flex jalen cocker jalen warren or audrick estimate half ppr
if camara's out it would be estimate for me if camara's in i would go cocker especially if
mcmillan's out half ppr so i've got about 10 and a half for jillan warren and i think i have
cocker higher than that nope i'll take warn rj harvey courtland sutton d k metcalf who's your favorite
here sudden full ppr for sure metcalf or michael wilson metcalf or michael wilson
Wilson without Harrison
Metcalf with Harrison
All right
Let's go to our next game
It is New England at Baltimore
What a big game
You know
Stad of the game
Is that Derek Henry
Sometimes struggles against good run defenses
But this run defense hasn't been as good
Since they put Milton Williams on IR
So
Derek Henry
and non-PPR is a must-start
in half-P-R probably the same.
But is he a must-start,
Heath, Derek Henry, in full PPR leagues?
I mean, in my projections,
he's a top 20 running back.
I never remember where
your must-start territory is.
Oh, it's not twice.
I think in full PPR,
there's certainly guys that you could start of him.
If you're starting Kenneth Gainwell over someone,
I'm not sure they're a must-start.
So he's a low-end R.B2.
Okay.
Jamie, how do you feel about Derek Henry?
Like R.J. Harvey, Kenneth Gainwell, Derek Henry.
How are you feeling?
I still have Henry over them.
I just think the Ravens, especially with Lamar, still not at 100%.
I do expect them to be playing with the lead in this game to be leaning on Derek Henry.
Like, this is the type of games.
This is the type of time.
This is what you have Derek Henry for.
And so Keaton Mitchell's been a little bit of an annoying factor when you're looking at
Henry's upside because he's had some big runs that's taken away from Henry's touches.
I think he would have had a much better game last week with the had the ball more.
But I don't know.
If I have Derek Henry at this point in the season, I'm pretty happy about it.
Drake May is someone we talked about on yesterday's show as one of the tough calls.
And I pointed out that it's really been his touchdown interception rate has been off.
His deep ball completions have been way down in his last six games, during which time he is the number 11 quarterback per game.
and the Ravens are not a...
I don't know if they're a tough matchup,
but they're certainly not an easy matchup.
So Drake May is QB 8 or 9 for everyone.
I'm going to throw out a number here.
Do you think Drake May gets to 22 fantasy points
and 6 points per pass and touchdown leagues?
Yes.
I've got him at 21.
21.
Okay.
Every week, you know, he's so good.
He has great upside.
He ran for two touchdowns last week.
It's just been a little bit off lately.
This is a game...
I think we probably...
Like, he was so much, so outlandishly better than everyone else at the deep ball completion stuff in the first half of the year that we should have expected some regression.
Like nobody does that for a full year.
Well, especially as the weather turns, I mean, that's a big part of, you know, what you see with especially great teams.
You know, they start to run the ball more and, you know, get a little bit more conservative.
And look, his receiving core, he was doing that, then booty got hurt and missed three games or two games, two and half games.
That was one of his go-to guys.
Stefan Diggs has fallen off.
And so, you know, it's understandable, but he's still clearly in the MVP race and having a great fantasy season.
I struggle with him and Burrow, him and Dak, him and Dart, him and Knicks.
My son asked me today or yesterday, Burrow or May, those are his new quarterbacks.
For me, I like Burroughs slightly better, but it's close.
And I would probably say, ask me this weekend.
I think to me that's a, first of all,
if Higgins plays, it's not even close for me.
I'm going Borough.
If Higgins doesn't play, then it is pretty close.
Bo Nix, I want to start over Drake May.
You know what?
I'll just, I'm in.
I'm going Nix over May.
Why not?
Nix is set up for a really good game, I think.
Okay, but we like May.
He's still a starter, and someone asks Bresset or May,
it's definitely percent.
He's third.
Okay.
Imagine saying that in October.
Yeah, I know, right.
Lamar Jackson or Drake, May?
May.
I go Lamar.
I'll tell you, Lamar, through 12 passes last week,
scored about 18 fantasy points,
and Zay Flowers cost him eight points.
He dropped the ball that ended up being an interception,
and he dropped a touchdown.
So it could have been a really good game
on 12 pass attempts for Lamar Jackson.
Well, plus the orders he would have had on the interception
and the touchdown.
Yeah, it wasn't a lot.
Yeah, it was like 20 yards, I think.
So probably about nine fantasy points were costs there.
That would have a 27-point game.
Flowers did have a deep touchdown catch,
but those are really easy balls that he dropped, too.
All right, let's talk about Trevionn Henderson.
Would anybody start Henderson over Henry?
Yes.
No.
And how many formats would you do that, Heath?
Well, I mean, I don't know how many different formats there are,
But if you're just talking about non, half, in full, it would definitely be in full, definitely not in non.
And I think in half PPR, I am starting Henderson.
Last week you talked about Trayvon Henderson and it's like a low end number two running back,
but you said something like, but he could have a huge game, you know, he's of those guys in that range,
he's the one who could have a huge game and you nailed it.
He scored 30 fantasy points.
They're both that guy.
They both, I think, could have a huge game any week.
Two of the most likely running backs to just break off that 50-yard touchdown run.
And all of a sudden, it went from, well, that was an okay game to, yes.
So another game, another guy, though, in Henderson, where you're going to put them in your lineup.
I know I'm starting them against teeth.
And you know it could be really bad.
It could be eight points.
You say really bad, like we've seen the floor, you know, with Stevenson.
Like, it's 11 PPR points.
Like, that's...
Yeah, I hope so.
I mean, look, he had 10, 14 carries last week, and Stevenson had six.
Just never know what the split's going to be with Vrable.
Yeah, I'll take 11.
I'll take 11.
Ravens are good, though.
Ravens are tough.
Again, losing Buchanan, we'll see how much that impacts them.
Yeah.
So looking at the running backs, you're starting against me,
are you more concerned that Henderson, it could be really bad, or gain well, it could be really bad?
I would start Gainwell over Henderson.
I'm more concerned that Henderson will be really, in full PPR,
I'm more concerned that Henderson will be bad than Gainwell, I think.
Man, I need Marvin Harrison, Jr. to get back.
I know.
Dude, it's my whole season.
Three of my five remaining teams have Michael Wilson.
It sways so much.
Yeah.
Start digs.
Any interest in digs?
So we got a six-game sample size.
The first three games of that, he was great,
to over more PPR points.
the last three weeks he's been horrible um you wonder clearly they're they're chasing bigger things
uh he's got some incentives on the line that we're getting close to you know he's he's got to put
up some numbers here to get them um i doubt that matters to mike raybo the patriots but no
something something to consider um man listen there may be a conversation with drake may and and digs
like hey help me out here um we've seen receivers put up numbers against his defense it's not like
it's uh it's it's it's one of those oh my god have to sit things i think it's like four four number
one receivers in a row have been 18 or more ppr points against them but is he that type of
player and that's the problem so mac hollins has been getting targets booty's back again you know
getting some of his chances um hunter henry will be in play you know it's just with the way
that may is operating right now i just don't think you can say digs is anything more than a starter
in three receiver leagues well i i said justin jefferson was a sit um i
I'd start Justin Jefferson over Stefan Diggs.
Yeah.
I'd start, I've got him, like, basically back-to-back with Jaylon Coker.
He doesn't play that much anymore.
No.
You know?
Baltimore, by the way, really good against tight ends.
Six best against tight ends.
They've been pretty terrific lately.
So we are not starting Henry.
Lamar Jackson is sixth for Jamie, ninth for Dave, and 12th for Heath.
So kind of a wide range there.
Hasn't had a big game since week nine.
But he's been a little unlucky.
There have been drops.
There have been the likely fumble at Cincinnati, that kind of stuff.
So I think for the most part, people are going to start.
Lamar Jackson.
We talked about Derek Henry and Zay Flowers.
You guys have him in your top 18.
Dave has him 25th.
It's a tough matchup.
The Patriots have been dynamite since Carlton Davis,
or since Christian Gonzalez made his season debut in week four.
Only four wide receivers have more than 65 yards against the Patriots.
They have faced a really easy schedule, though.
I think he's kind of D.K. McCaff.
Well, let me ask you, would you go with Zay Flowers or the running backs in this game?
I think you did ask us that question.
Oh, yeah.
No, I asked you just Henderson.
So throw Henry in there.
I would start both running backs over.
Flowers.
Full PPR, I'd probably go Henderson, Flowers, Henry.
Anything else that we start both running backs?
Henderson or Pickens, PPR?
Pickens.
Pickens.
Menongai or Henderson, that's Henderson.
Pick two.
Kyron Williams, Henderson, Giovante Williams.
Ooh.
I would sit, Kyron.
I'd play both Williams.
And that's it for this game.
The DSTs, you wanted to start a DST in this game?
I don't think so, right?
No.
Okay.
Cincinnati's at Miami.
Jamie has to leave in two minutes.
So, Jamie, give me your thoughts on Cincinnati.
Oh.
I can do it all game.
I'm fine.
All right.
Give me your thoughts on this game.
I think that.
the Bengals passing game bounces back with
or without T. Higgins. Obviously, it's much better with Higgins
playing, but this Dolphins
defense has not been great. And you look
at the quarterbacks who have struggled
against Miami, and it's
Marcus Mariotta, Brady Cook,
another
crappy, Dylan
Gabriel, like the bad
quarterbacks have struggled. The good quarterbacks have done well.
And I know Burrell looked miserable last week
and everybody questioning his
mindset and the press conference and all those things.
Like, this is, I'm coming
down to Miami's weather supposed to be perfect like he's going to light up this defense and to what
extent we'll find out i the dolphins are done you know they're benching their quarterback they're
they're in you know hang on on the beach even more mode um i think i think this is a game where borough
mounts back you know it might might be his last great game in the season i'm very confident that
this is going to be a good joe burrow game's going to be a great tomorrow chase game you're starting
chase brown like you're not benching these guys um but in the case of the quarterback
You know, if you do have some other options, I get it.
I would start Bressett over him, Stafford over him, you know, another guy, a waybrow guy.
But, and purdy.
But otherwise, like, for me, I still think Joe Burroughs got as much upside as anybody on the slate.
I wrote about this earlier this week because I think I'm lower on Burrow at 11 in the projections right now.
But there is, like, it's basically Alan Hertz, Brissette, and golf are the four guys that I'm just starting without.
reservation and then there's about 13 quarter racks within a point and a half in the
projections and burroughs right smack dab in the middle of that i think he could have a very
good game if obviously we'll feel better about him if t higgins is cleared all right chase brown
is the top 11 running back start him start jamar chase start t higgins if he plays and i was going
to make a deep sleeper case for mike gasecki you know he hasn't been very good it's only if t higgins is
out. Dolphins are really bad against tight ends.
You say it hasn't been good. He was great
against Buffalo. Yeah, he was, but he's had
six, four, six, and two targets
in four games since returning.
But he had a 75% route participation rate
last week, which was a season high
for him.
You can make the sleeper case if Higgins is out.
Yeah, revenge. If Higgins is then, I think you can't.
Okay. On the other side of the ball,
Quinn Ewers gets the start. Devon A. Chan is a must
start. So here's the
other thing with Jalen Waddle, right? Obviously, you've got, he's been struggling a bit lately.
He's got 8.2 or fewer fantasy points than three of his last four games, including a game
against Washington, New Orleans, and Pittsburgh. And Pittsburgh's been better lately, but on paper,
really bad against wide receivers. Now, here are the Bengals. They give up the fifth fewest
points. In their last eight games, they've allowed 60 receiving guards to three receivers.
Four receivers in the last six games have double-digit PPR, no, last eight games,
pardon me, have double-digit PPR fantasy point.
So it looks like a bad matchup.
So I'm super nervous about Jalen Wadle here.
I think you guys are...
I mean, Heath, you didn't seem as nervous about it as I am.
I just don't know that we have that luxury at this position.
Like, the guys that we have ranked just outside of the top 24
are not guys that you're going to have more confidence in than Jalen Waddle.
I mean, I guess you could start Justin Jefferson over Jalen Waddle.
or Stefan Diggs over Jalen Waddle
or Debo Samuel
or whichever charger you think is going to be good
but it's just
it's more a positional thing than anything
and I think it probably is directly
correlated with Joe Burrow
if he has a better day
could be better for Waddle
because a lot of those bad games for Jalen Waddle
I don't think have necessarily been reflecting on him
and some of it's been two of us.
but a lot of it's just been that they went super run heavy
and it worked for a month against terrible teams
now they're probably going to be playing from behind
so they probably won't have the luxury of going super run heavy
yeah that's a good point
so okay Waddle
how about like we can compare him to
well someone says Waddle or Rice
if Rice plays you're going to start Rice
yeah yeah yeah we can compare him to some running backs
like how about Omari and Hampton or Jalen Waddle
I might go Hampton if Quinn and Williams
out wattle for me so we got this question waddle hampton devonte smith ppr i would go with hampton if
there is no queen of waddle well who'd you go with waddle or devonte smith smith okay uh christian
i mean they're basically the same guy like a lot of the guys heath listed like it's it's it's
you're you're hoping for them to play well and in the case of like smith versus
Waddle, I'll just lean quarterback, and I trust Jalen Hertz,
even though we haven't seen great performances for DeMonte Smith.
You know it's there at any time.
Waddle's got a four-game stretch, as you just alluded to,
with his starting quarterback where he hasn't played well in great matchups.
Yeah.
This is not a great matchup.
Like, this would be tough even with Tua there.
Yeah.
If you still trusted Tua.
Christian Watson or Jalen Waddle.
I'd go Watson if he plays.
It'll be Waddle for me.
All right. People send in your Darren Waller questions here.
Heath, I think you said you had him 13th.
Yeah, I mean, I had him like sixth at the beginning of the week, but it's really hard.
It's not just the two of a quenewers downgrade.
It's the downgrade in projected scoring for the dolphins.
I think their totals dropped three points, and he is extremely touchdown dependent, Aaron Waller.
I got a lot of Waller questions coming in here.
All right, let's go to the chat, and we'll just answer.
a bunch of questions for this
game, because this is a tough one and a fun
one. Dack, Prescott, or Joe Burrow?
Burrow for me.
I currently have
Dack, I think, one spot higher.
Burrow or Drake May?
Burrow for me.
I have May, I think, two spots higher.
Jalen Waddle, George Pickens, or
Kyle Pitts?
Pickens, well,
Pitts, if London is out.
Pickens, if London isn't.
Sure.
I think I answered that one.
Mike Asicki, Dalton, Schultz, Gadsden, or Waller?
Who's your favorite there?
Schultz.
I kind of like Gadsden this week, but not Waller, for sure.
T. Higgins or Teterill McMill.
Higgins.
Yeah.
Waddle or Rico Dowdell.
Just make sure you have a backup plan because both may be out.
Yeah.
All right.
Waddle or Rico Dowdell.
RICO.
Rico.
Would you move on from the Chiefs DST to the Bengals D.
No, but I did move the Bengals DST up quite a bit.
I can move them into the rankings.
Waller or Colson Loveland.
Yeah, I think I like Loveland here if O'Donzee and Burden are out.
Yeah, for sure.
Lovelin.
Waller or Parkinson.
Parkinson.
Waller or Brenton Strange.
Waller as of now.
I'll stick with Waller there, yeah.
Waller or Jake Ferguson.
Waller as of now.
I'll stick with Waller.
All right.
That's it for this game.
That's the ball for the Bengals.
Thank you, Jamie.
Oh, boy, Heath.
I've never been so bad on time for this show.
And we have four games left here.
Yeah, sorry.
10 minutes?
I might have to move one to tomorrow.
All right, Buffalo at Cleveland.
And Josh Allen's a must start.
James Cook is a must start.
Khalil Shakir.
We talked about how we don't really like Stefan Biggs.
Would you start Diggs or Khalil Shakir?
Diggs.
Yeah, Kalil Shakir is basically a sit.
He's 34th for Jamie, I think.
36 for Dave, 40th for Heath.
Kincaid, yeah, it's been disappointing because Dawson Knox is stealing all the production lately for Kincaid.
Browns are 15th against tight ends.
It's not a matchup to avoid necessarily, although they've been pretty good lately.
Kincaid or Waller?
Waller.
All right, so I know you want to sit, Kincaid.
And I would go Parkinson over Concade also.
I think all of us wouldn't.
All right.
Theo Johnson or Kincaid.
I would go Theo
So the bills are pretty easy
I mean the bills are easy
Yeah
The Browns have Judkins and Fanon to discuss here
Because we're not starting their quarterback
Or any of the wide receivers
So Judkins
All right you are the high guy on Judkins
From what I saw
It's right around 18 yeah
All right Dave and Jamie are closer to 24
On Judkins
What are you thinking?
I mean I'm thinking
That the bills are giving up 5.3 yards per carry
to opposing running backs.
And as they showed with Trayvion Henderson last week,
they could give up a 50-yard house call at any moment.
And I'm thinking that the Browns at home for as long as they can in this game,
we'll try to run the ball.
And then when they fall down by 17 points,
they'll start throwing more.
So it's really how fast do they fall down that fast,
or fall down that much?
And I think the way that Buffalo has played this year,
when they're not in that scramble mode
because we've dug ourselves a hole
is not the type of offense
that runs away from people.
So we may get a few more rush attempts,
a few more chances for Judkins
at that big breaking run.
Judkins and Gentie feel very similar to me.
I mean, Genti usually get more catches,
but Judkins, I believe you have three targets.
You have three to four targets
in three straight games.
And he has faced a lot of tough run defenses lately,
and this is not one of them.
But they just, they feel like
such horrible offenses, right, that you're scared to start anyone on those teams.
And you've got Raiders facing the Texans and you've got the bills.
Are the bills a good defense?
I mean, they're not a good run defense, but you could see Shadur Sanders really struggling in
this game and Cleveland playing from a big hole.
So I don't know.
I feel like if I get 12 points from Judkins, I'll probably be relieved.
You know, that's, I'm just, I don't want to start him.
I don't think you want to start him.
No, it's not, I mean, it's, it's, it's.
It's a talk, it's a discussion about floor and upside.
So I think the upside's much higher than 12 points against this defense.
You could have 12 points on one run against the bills.
That's right.
So I think there's top 12 upside and there's a floor that's in the single digits.
So I think both, I like, and as fast for Gentie, I don't know if we're going to talk about that game or not.
Yeah, well, it's on the schedule.
I do think with Gino, like, I feel a little better about them.
Doug is pointing out that the Browns have no offensive line.
And yeah, they have a very injured offensive line.
So here's one, Judkins or Flowers, PPR.
And PPR, I'll take flowers.
Judkins, Michael Carter, or Kareem Hunt?
Dep, not Kareem Hunt.
So I have Judkins and Carter back to back right now.
I would probably go Judkins, but it's very close.
Yeah, I'd go Carter, but right, again, it's tough.
Okay, then there's Fanon.
Actually, I kind of broke down, like, in my opinion,
in why the bills are so good against tight ends.
And this was some thorough research.
But basically what I saw was
if you watched Fannin's targets last week
against the Bears, zone coverage,
and he's just camping out in front of the linebackers,
and they're just giving him these very short area targets
and letting him catch the ball,
and he had seven catches for 48 yards on 14 targets.
The bills do not allow this.
The bills are a very aggressive defense.
They have allowed by far, by almost 200 yards,
The fewest yards in the NFL on past attempts of zero to five air yards.
And that's where tight ends really make their money, right?
It's like a lot of them, including Harold Fanon Jr.
The bills are number one against tight ends.
It's such a shame that this tight end with all this momentum is facing the bills this week.
You've been fanning over everyone, right?
That's been your motto.
How do you feel about Fanon this week?
I just don't think, and it is a great matchup or a terrible matchup, I mean, a great defense against tight ends.
I don't think I can sit a tight end who has 25 targets in his last two games and a 30% target share with his current quarterback.
And they have used Harold Fanon downfield a little bit more on occasion.
You talked about that zero to five yards.
His A doubt's actually six.
We talked about Colby Parkinson earlier.
His A dot's 3.4.
Yeah.
So, and it doesn't seem like, like, Chador just doesn't care.
like the Shador Fanon connection wasn't there at all last week
and it was pretty evident early in the game
and he just kept throwing it to him.
Yeah.
Which you saw what happened when he threw it to Jerry Judy.
Like what else is he going to do?
Yeah.
And they're going to have to throw.
So Travis Kelsey had a 25% target share the week before Buffalo,
30% the week after, 17% at Buffalo.
Dalton Schultz, the three games before Buffalo,
20.5, 25%, 22.5% against Buffalo.
14% back up to 25 the next week.
I think Fanon is one of the most difficult calls this week.
You're going to start them over Waller, it seems.
Parkinson or Fanon?
I think that is the one that people might go away from Fanon for Parkinson.
I will stick with Fanon.
Dallas Goddard or Fanon?
It's Fanon for me.
Kelsey or Fanon?
That's one where I would start Kelsey.
Okay.
With or without Rashy Rice?
With or without.
All right.
Buffalo DST is top four.
Speaking of Kelsey, Kansas City is at Tennessee.
Gardner Minchu, 22nd for Heath, as last I saw, 19th for James.
I actually don't know if this is updated with the Rishi Rice News.
If Rishie Rice plays, where would you rank him?
He's a must start wide receiver.
I think we'll see like 60% of Minchu's passes go to Kelsey or Rice if Rishi Rice is out there.
so I'll start rushy rice at pee place
yeah I have him like
I think I would start him
but more like the 5th wide receiver
15 or something instead of 5
you know maybe 12
something like that he's not going to be as good
for example I might start Cortland Sutton
over him I'm going to start James and Williams over him
in a league I have the three of those guys
you're not going to start a chiefs running back are you
no yeah
looks like Pacheco might be the
primary ball carrier but we know what happens goal line is hunt i will say one one positive thing
for them because that nobody's happened very few people are having much success running the ball
against the titans if rice is out the first six games of the season i think it was a 17 percent
target share for the chiefs running backs since rice has been back they throw to them almost not at all
i think it's 10 percent which is one of the lowest rates in the league we did
see two weeks ago the Browns playing against the Titans, their running backs combined
it for eight catches for 132 yards.
Problem is, other than that, the Titans have given up almost nothing to running backs
in the passing game.
Boy, Xavier Worthy would be really interesting, because he missed three of those first six
games.
He played like two snaps in the first game, then he missed the next two.
So that could have contributed to Marquis Brown's production, could have contributed to
the running backs.
I looked at it.
It was really weeks four through six when we had Brown and Worthing.
without Rice and Worthy had the team lead
and Target Share with 20%.
And that was when Taekwon Thornton was playing
and drawing a 10% target share.
So I do think I've got in the projections
Worthy's around 24,
I'll probably rank him a little closer to 30
just because he has not been good this year
and he's playing with Gardner Minshu.
But he's a high-end wide receiver 3.
I'd start Xavier Worthy over Stefan Diggs.
Yeah, I would really consider him over Waddle.
I don't think you would.
I can't get there.
Yeah.
If it were Mahomes, I would.
Minchu, not so sure.
Travis Kelsey's top five.
Sit cam ward.
Starters at Tony Pollard coming off two straight 100-yard games.
He's a good flex.
I've got him ahead of Kareem Hunt.
I've got him ahead of Amarian Hampton.
It really turned this committee back into more of Tony Pollard's backfield, at least on running downs.
And he's been running hot the last couple of days.
I don't know how many people have watched the Titans offense,
but I wouldn't advise it,
except for Tony Pollard has been very, very good as a runner,
which is something he's done many times
throughout the last three or four years of his career.
So I think a very good flex,
but not quite an RB2.
Yeah, he's still just not getting catches,
although he was not the last two games,
but not the last three games, I guess, for him.
And sit the passing game here.
Good week for Gunter Helm last week.
The chiefs, though, are really good against tight ends.
Chiefs DST is top five.
All right, San Francisco's,
I got a few chat questions here real quick.
Judkins, Kareem Hunt, or Michael Carter.
All right, so that's going to be Carter.
You did that one, I think twice, no.
That was last time.
Okay, here we go.
Xavier Worthy, Justin Jefferson,
Devante Smith, pick two.
Am I really going to start Xavier Worthy over Justin Jefferson?
I think I am.
I think I'd sit Jefferson.
All right, I'd start Jefferson and I guess worthy,
if Rice is out, Smith, if Rice is in.
Jefferson had a touchdown call back last week,
and one went through his hands.
I definitely think they are trying to get him involved.
Not that I think he's great.
Rishie Rice, Tetero-McMill,
Olave, and Waddle.
Sit one if Rice plays.
They all play.
If they all play, then I'm sitting Waddle.
San Francisco's at Indianapolis.
Stata of the game.
According to MapQuest,
it would take 32 hours to drive from Levi Stadium
to Lucas Oil Stadium.
But just letting you know.
Brock Purdy is pretty much a must-star.
So many good options.
So many good choices for a stat of the game between these two teams.
You could have done a Philip Rivers stat.
You could have done a Colts pass catcher with Philip Rivers.
You could have done Brock Purdy and Joanne Jennings stats or George Kittles since Purdy came back.
Like there were so many good options.
And we went with the distance between the two cities if driving by car.
I really.
and MapQuest, yeah.
Yeah, MapQuest, I know.
I used to print out.
Definitely one that you still use.
I used to print out MapQuest direction.
100%, yes.
No, I did say earlier that the Colts have allowed
11.5 or more PPR Fantasy points
to seven wide receivers in their last three games.
It's a great match.
It would be a good stat of the game. Start Brock Purdy,
start Christian McCaffrey, start Joanne Jennings, start George Kittle.
We're done with the 49ers.
Start Jonathan Taylor.
Try to get away from everybody else.
So let's talk about Taylor here.
Because Taylor has, in his last four games, since the matchups got really tough,
8.6 fantasy points at Kansas City, 15.1 against Houston, 11.4 at Jacksonville, 13.1 at Seattle.
So that's probably around 12 per game. Over under 12 PPR fantasy points for Taylor.
I will go over. I loved the fact, I mean, I didn't love it for anybody else on the Colts,
that Philip Rivers was just get the ball out to a running back as soon as possible, so no one touches me.
and 28 touches last week
for Jonathan Taylor against Seattle
which is obviously an awful matchup.
Jonathan Taylor is a top 12 running back.
I'm not even thinking about sitting him.
Yeah, I just wonder if you'd sit them for R.J. Harvey.
No.
Chase Brown.
No.
Okay.
I think you're being a little too dismissive,
especially with Brown.
Because Brown, you know, seven catches last.
I would start over Harvey, though.
I think it's possible for the reason that we're an hour and 20 minutes and
is because we're having a debate about whether or not we should sit, Jonathan Diller.
I don't think we've been, I don't think we've really been verbose today.
It's just a lot of content.
You know, is that the news and notes was killed us.
Like the dolphins.
I mean, at least people do know now that MapQuest still exists.
I think it's going to be our last game, by the way.
Michael Pittman or Jalen Waddle.
Michael Pittman or Justin Jefferson.
Jefferson.
Michael Pittman or Kyle Menongai?
Definitely Menongai in non.
I would probably start Monongai in half.
I'll go Pitman in full.
Michael Pitman or Colby Parkinson?
I'd probably go Pittman.
Here's your stat of the game.
Philip Rivers was two of eight.
for 33 yards with an interception
on pass attempts of
10 or more air yards.
The interception was on his last throw of the game.
So he just cannot push the ball downfield.
I honestly think they're making a mistake.
I don't know why they're sticking with him.
All right, that's it for the show.
We'll save Houston and the Raiders for tomorrow.
Hopefully we'll be a tighter show, but we'll see.
Thanks for...
I'm going to go ahead and guess that it's not,
but I would just say that I would start Gentie and Bowers
in full PPR.
Yeah, but they really do warrant some discussion.
Right. Yeah, they're not at Jonathan Taylor level, but I still would.
All right, everybody. Thank you very much.
And Dalton Schultz is worthy of discussion, too.
Thank you very much.
We'll talk to you tomorrow with Starters Sit for the NFC Home Games Plus, Las Vegas at Houston.
Have a great day. Good luck.
Let's get off to a great start tonight.
See you.
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