Fantasy Football Today - Start or Sit (AFC): Woody Marks, Courtland Sutton, Isaiah Likely, TreVeyon Henderson (12/11 Fantasy Football Podcast)
Episode Date: December 11, 2025Are you ready for the Fantasy playoffs!? Adam tells you why Week 15 kinda sucks, but we also tell you which players we love (5:25) and which players we want to avoid (11:15). We like Woody Marks quite... a bit, but Bo Nix and Michael Pittman make us nervous ... News and notes (20:10) and One Question for Each Game (24:00)! Start or Sit Omarion Hampton? Courtland Sutton? Dalton Schultz? Zay Flowers? DK Metcalf? ... Start or Sit for Chargers-Chiefs (31:40), Bills-Patriots (38:30), Packers-Broncos (48:30), Cardinals-Texans (55:00), Ravens-Bengals (1:03:00), Raiders-Eagles (1:09:05), Dolphins-Steelers (1:14:55) and Jets-Jaguars (1:18:40) ... Email us at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Shop our store: shop.cbssports.com/fantasy SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179 FOLLOW FFT Dynasty on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1 SUBSCRIBE to FFT DFS on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dfs/id1579415837 To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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And I'm going to start off by saying, guys, that I hate this week. Week 15 is the worst.
I truly hate it with a passion. For all the weeks this year that we complained about not having
enough options, now you're going to complain about having too many options.
But, okay, I was like, why do I hate this week? I can't figure out. Here's why. Who are the best
defenses in football, points per game allowed.
Houston, they're facing Arizona.
We like Arizona. We want to play guys on Arizona.
Seattle, they're facing the Colts.
We've lost our Colts pretty much.
I mean, that works out well.
We're not getting hurt by Seattle because we're not going to start the Colts except for Jonathan
Taylor anyway, right?
I know. Aren't you nervous to start Warren and Taylor?
I'm much more nervous to start Warren.
I'm not going to be nervous to start a top 12 running back.
The Rams.
I mean, if it's Philip Rivers, like he's just going to
think and dunk his way down the field.
Yeah, yeah.
He's going to drop back and arm put 40 yards down field.
It's going to be awesome.
The other best defense is the Rams get Detroit.
The Broncos get the Packers.
Are the Rams a great defense?
They are giving up the third fewest points per game in the NFL.
The Patriots are fifth best.
They get the bills.
The chiefs get the chargers.
So it's a lot of fantasy players that we like in matchups that we don't like.
The good news is, you know,
do you hate that for the league or you hate that for your specific?
specific teams are both.
No, for everyone.
For fantasy men.
I don't have any Drake May, but I hate it for Drake May that he has to face the bills.
What would be your ideal week?
What's the week we could get where Azer wouldn't have anything to complain about?
Where the Bengals and the Cowboys are cloned and you play, every team plays them.
The Cowboys, Minnesota, like, it sucks that Minnesota has to play the Cowboys,
and the Cowboys have to play Minnesota.
That's the ideal league would be Tennessee would face Minnesota.
And the Jets would face the Broncos.
And we could just...
I'm terrified that I'm going to go up against the team filled with 49ers, for example.
Yes.
Yes.
If you have...
Right.
My point, exactly.
That's great.
Like, you have the...
If you have the Ravens, if you have the Niners, that's great.
But unfortunately, I think there are a lot of great offenses playing great defenses this
week, and that stinks.
Yeah, but you know what, though?
For the most part, most leagues are mixed with some good matchups and some bad matchups for your
respective rosters, and that's typically the way it goes.
goes almost every week.
So, you know, you hope that your good players shine through in some tough situation.
Like Michael Wilson, for example, you know, like we had that discussion of how much are you still trusting him, assuming Harrison's out, but how much you still trusting him against the Texans?
And like, you know, who was benching Rashi Rice last week against the Texans?
No one.
No.
Right.
And he's not.
That's my point.
Yeah, I think there can be a lot of guys.
But you still have to, but that's what I'm saying.
Like, every team has a player or two like that where they're just starting somebody.
even though they're in a bad situation.
So you just hope that either they shine through
or, you know, your opponent sucks because of it.
Yeah, all right.
All right.
Let's spin it more positively here and get to the players we love.
Jamie has Brock Purdy against Tennessee,
Woody Marks against Arizona,
and Dalton Kincaid at New England.
Go ahead, Jamie.
Yeah, just three great matchups.
Purdy is, you know, hopefully going to have one of his best games.
You see Sportsline loves him this week.
Keith, get on board.
Let's go, buddy.
You got a big opportunity here.
The Titans have just been miserable against almost every quarterback that they faced,
including Shadir Sanders last week.
So credit to him for taking advantage of it.
Hopefully, Pretty does as well.
He's been a mediocre fantasy quarterback in his last two situations.
But home game off a buy against the Titans feels like a layup.
Woody Mark's very similar situation.
Hopefully he's okay.
It was on the injury report on Wednesday with his ankle problem.
but I don't expect 26 carries like we saw last week against Kansas City,
but does not necessarily need that to do well against the Cardinals
who have just been absolutely miserable against running backs,
specifically even last week when Blake Quorum and Kyron Williams both did well in that matchup.
And then in the case of Kincaid, he already faced the Patriots once in week five,
had six catches for 108 yards.
He's been over 14 p.m. Excuse me, in five of his nine healthy games.
The Patriots have really struggled to defend tight ends.
and, you know, Kincaid, at least, I know it wasn't the best tied-in last week, and it was the Bengals,
but at least came back, showed you that he's okay, and to me it feels like a slam dunk as well.
So I took the low-hanging fruit on three very, hopefully, I took the low-infrault on three players who should hopefully dominate this week.
Yeah, well, I don't know that that's low-hanging fruit at all.
I mean, Woody Marks is tough.
Well, great matchups.
Yeah, I mean, no, Woody Marks, I'm super.
excited about. I think he probably could have been on the tough calls show last week because
you know, you've got, you wouldn't start over Jonathan Taylor, would you? Marks? No. But you see
where I'm going with that, right? I mean, listen, you know, it gets to a point. I don't know how, you know,
he's process is different than mine in terms of, you know, doing projections. But like, I start to
think like, okay, whenever I do my rank, he's like, okay, if I have these guys on my team,
who would I start over the next? And you get to a point where like, with Taylor,
with Kairn Williams with, you know, some of these guys like, okay, I wouldn't do that with my own team.
So that's why I kind of put these guys where I put them, you know, so I think Marks is a good number to running back.
I think he's got a chance to play great.
We've seen this a couple of times.
I mean, like we had the Buffalo matchup a few weeks ago.
He had 18 carries and he stunk, you know, so this feels a little bit easier, but still.
I did tell Adam to start Woody Marks over Kiron Williams this morning, and I have it ranked that way.
but more so I thought it would be fun
if Adam complained about his RB1
all year long and then benched him for Woody Marks
and the RB1 was good
and Woody Marks wasn't
be a great sunny night show
I wanted I'm leaning that way
and you gave me the the impetus
to make you can't play both of them
I have Josh Jacobs
Giovante Williams
Kyron Williams and Woody Marks
and I want to start Woody Marks over all of those guys
but I'm going to do it over over Kyron
I wouldn't start him over the other two
All right Heath you like
Jackson Dart against Washington, RICO Dowdle at New Orleans, and Harold Fanon Jr. at Chicago.
Yeah, I think Jackson Dart, it gets a little wonky if you look at his fantasy points per game.
But if you look at his fantasy points per game and his starts, it's right about where Sportsline
has him projected at 24 fantasy points per game. He's facing a Washington defense that has given up
about 23 fantasy points per game to opposing quarterbacks. I love the Giants this week,
specifically the past catchers
start DART, start Wondale,
start Theo. The running backs
get just a little bit wonky because
Singletary is more involved than we'd like,
but you're probably starting
Tyrone Tracy as well, but Jackson
DART is a must-start quarterback for me
this week at the other one,
Harold Fanon, it should be obvious
by this point with Shador Sanders.
He has, he's tied in
two in Target Share.
He's tied in four
in fantasy points per game.
start Harold Fanon over almost everybody, not Trey McBride and George Kittle,
but everybody else for me, including Brock Bowers.
Whoa.
I'm a little bit worried about, I think I'm not sitting Brock Bowers unless I have Harold
Fannan, but I think they have the lowest implied total of the season.
Oh, wow.
13 points for the Raiders.
So, and Bowers has been a little bit, I mean, he's awesome,
but he has been a little bit touchdown dependent.
here as of late
because the past volume
just hasn't quite been there
for him or at least the completions.
And then who was my third guy?
Rico Dowdell.
Rico Dowdell,
listen, the last time
the Panthers played the Saints,
it didn't go particularly well.
This was back before Chuba had earned
some of his rollback
and Dowdell scored a touchdown
and caught three passes,
so I think he still scored
like 15 fantasy points against them.
I think with the Panthers
coming off of a buy
in a playoff race,
having lost to this team
like a month ago that they are just going to come out and crush the Saints.
And I think we might get a combined 35 rush attempts from Rico Duttle and Chuba Hubbard.
Even last week when the touches were a little more heavily split than we would like,
it was still a good number of touches for Rico Dallel.
I think it was 18.
So he is back to a top 12 running back for me this week.
Cool.
All right.
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Players to avoid.
Heath, you've got Bo Nix against the Packers,
Aaron Jones, at Dallas on Sunday night,
and Brenton Strange against the Jets.
Yeah, I think Knicks is probably a little bit too obvious.
Maybe I should have put Justin Herbert there,
but he seems obvious at this point
with the way the Chargers offense is going as well.
I just, as much as he has been good at home and bad on the road,
I don't want to trust a quarterback who has been kind of as mediocre as he has been
for fantasy football production against a defense as good as the Packers' defense is.
I do not want to start Aaron Jones,
partially because the Cowboys' Run defense is awesome now,
partially because we don't, I don't think, no on a game-to-game basis,
who's going to have more carries, Aaron Jones or Jordan Mason.
and I'm not sure that there's going to be a huge role in the passing game
since they figured out that the way to make J.J. McCarthy's goods
just only throw the tight ends.
Speaking of tight ends,
Brent and Strange has been very good on very low volume.
And I think this could be one of those games against the Jets
where they throw 24 passes.
And he might turn five targets into four catches for 60 yards,
but he also might turn four targets into two catches for 40 yards.
Okay.
Bo Nix, avoid Aaron Jones, avoid.
Brenton Strange Avoid.
Yeah, we're not, I think it's five or six straight games for Trevor Lawrence with no more than 30 pass attempts, I want to say.
And Strange, usually around four targets, five targets.
Jacobi Brissette is a sit for Jamie.
We talked a lot about him throughout the week.
And Michael Pittman and Christian Watson.
So, yeah, go for it, Jamie.
I mean, Berset, just the matchup.
You know, we saw what they did against the, in terms of the Texans, against the Bills and Josh Allen against Mahomes.
And the Mahomes game is somewhat telling here
because the offensive line was a mess for the chiefs
and Paris Johnson, the left tackle for the Cardinals
probably going to be out with a knee injury.
So I hope Berset makes it through this game
with a decent enough performance that he comes back
the next two games and can help you if you survive
with Bresset as your starter.
But I would put Bresset on the bench
and find somebody else like Marcus Mariotta, for example.
And then you get Atlanta and Cincinnati to close the season.
But this is just a bad spot for Berset.
So I think his run of 8th,
great games of 20 plus fantasy points ends in week 15.
In the case of the two receivers, we touched on this with the Colts.
It just feels like this would be a bad spot if it was Daniel Dones playing at his best,
going into Seattle against his defense.
Like, Pittman's been very good.
I think you can make a case.
He's the best fantasy draft pick this season where he was selected in the performance that
he gave you, certainly in the conversation.
But at best, the starter in three receiver leagues.
And in the case of Watson, yes, he has, I think it's 18 targets in his last two games.
but he's typically been I'm sorry he had 18 targets going into last week's game only four targets
last week now you got to deal with this bronco secondary you got to deal with most likely patrick's
or tan this is the type of receiver that those great cornerbacks love to lock up he may run past
him he may have a big play but he's very touchdown dependent he has yet to go over 100 yards the broncos
only allowed five touchdowns to receivers all season so if he doesn't score you may get 11 12 ppr
points I'm going to try to avoid christian watson this week oh boy he gives me he's one of the other reasons
this week.
And he's been so good and, you know,
you just don't want to chase touchdowns for sure.
I just do wonder if Sartan is going to shadow him or not.
Because if they get him on Riley Moss,
you know, Riley Moss gave up a touchdown to the wide receiver from the Raiders
that I can't even remember the name of last week.
I got a deep ball.
They get him.
Bo Jackson's nephew, right?
Oh, was it?
I think that's what they said on the broadcast.
Yeah.
They can get him on Riley Moss.
I think that could be good.
But obviously he's going to see some, Sir Tant.
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great nephew. Oh, wow. How about that? This is so stupid, but the Bo Jackson on Ohio State is his
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I don't think so.
Oh, no?
Okay.
I mean, he's a running back
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Yeah, I mean, if
Yeah, I think you're right.
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in the worst week ever.
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It's not the worst week of this year either.
Like, think back to some of the weeks we've had to deal with this year.
Come on.
That's probably not.
But, you know, I like the drama.
In the case of what Adam is going somewhat with the theory of, like, we all have great fantasy teams now.
The top six, you know, or the, you know, three through six, whatever the case may be with buys.
Like, everybody's got good teams.
So it's no longer like, oh, I'm going to beat up on the crappy team in my league, even though I have a tough lineup situation.
I know from playing in guillotine leagues, like, this is brutal.
Like, you know, you could have great players, and the matchups suck,
and you're like, I'm going to get eliminated because, you know,
the other three teams are just amazing.
Would it be crazy to make every league best ball just for this week?
Just the team?
Until you said the just for this week, I was kind of like, yeah.
I like that.
I love not having to set my lineup.
And my 16-year-old really wants to create a format to where if your player gets injured in a game or if they suck in the first quarter, that you can actually do what they do in the NFL and bench people mid-game and just put somebody else in.
So we had this conversation many years ago with our development team that could you make something where every league designates a bench player that...
barring quarterback or barring dst kicker that player just you get those points on your bench
no matter who you can only designate one player though so you know it's not your best player on
your bench and you can sub him in for a player that was bad so in your case adam you have all those
running backs right you want you want to play woody marks so you put woody marks as your guy
and a receiver gets her doesn't have to be the same position receiver gets her you get woodie marks
points in that in that spot but if it's woody marks and then you have rolling
Romeo Dobbs score three touchdowns on your bench.
You don't get Romeo Dobbs.
Of course.
You get Woody Mark's points.
Yeah.
That's fine.
I mean, I think the issue is, is the injury.
You know, like T. Higgins, missed some time last week.
He has to leave the game like in the first half.
I mean, everybody's sitting and watching on their phone anyway.
You just click a button.
Yeah.
Put this guy in now.
Yeah.
All right, let's get to the news and notes.
And we'll try to fix fantasy tomorrow, I guess.
But for right now, let's figure out who to start and sit.
So Justin Fields.
Sirrod Taylor missed practice.
So it could be Brady Cook for the Jets at Jacksonville.
Gino Smith is unlikely to play.
Could be Kenny Pickett at the Eagles.
Revenge a game.
Yeah.
Riley Leonard practiced in full,
but Philip Rivers is also in the mix at Seattle.
I think that's an interesting question because there's been all this talk about
Philip Rivers.
If he is promoted to the active roster,
he delays his Hall of Fame window by five more years.
Is he going to be willing to be put on the active roster
to be the QB2 behind Rather Leonard?
I don't know.
Is he going to be willing to?
I mean, I think if you make this decision,
you have to be at the mercy of your coach,
who's apparently your friend,
you know, so I'm sure that conversation was had,
but why would he do this if he's not going to play?
Yeah.
Yeah, that's about his weight.
That was pretty funny.
Pop asking that, is he a Hallfamer?
I think he is.
Yeah, I think he'll get in.
All right, so Jaden Daniels is out.
But he, uh, this is a,
This is great for Ben Rothersberger.
Oh, because they're in the same class?
Yeah.
Gotcha.
All right, back to the news.
Jaden Daniels is out.
He could play next week, but he's out there at the Giants this week.
Lamar Jackson missed practice just for rest,
but I was hoping he would practice all week,
but that's fine, whatever.
He's at Cincinnati.
Tyrone Tracy practiced in full,
so he's good to go for this week.
Woody Marks actually missed practice,
but so did Nick Chub.
We're not worried about Marks.
We don't know about Chub.
Brees Hall missed practice with knee soreness.
Chris Rodriguez missed practice.
Alvin Camara mispractice.
Josh Jacobs missed practice.
I think the only one right now that we think is going to miss the game is Camara.
And Tray and Chubb, maybe.
And Trey Benson is out for the season, but Mari DiMercato did practice.
So you're not going to get Trey Benson this year, unfortunately.
Disappointing.
Two years in a row, he's had opportunities to get some work, and he's been hurt both times.
Wide receiver, Drake London is out tonight, but he is expected to play next week.
Mike Evans and J.
McMillan looks like they're going to play. I mean, they're off IR. They're eligible to play
tonight, probably leaning that way for Mike Evans playing. We talked about it at length
yesterday with the starter sit. Ladd McConkey limited with a foot injury. Parker
Washington missed last week. He was limited. T. Higgins was limited. He's in the
concussion protocol. Romo Dunezay was limited. That's interesting. I don't think we
would really want to start Luther Burden if Romo Dunez played. Denver wide receiver
Pat Bryant has a hamstring issue. Cedrick Tillman is in concussion protocol and
Marvin Harrison Jr. missed practice on Wednesday.
We know that is a big deal for Michael Wilson.
Kyle Pitts is questionable for tonight's game.
Keep an eye on that.
He should play, but he's expected to play.
Kate Otten is doubtful, though.
David Nijoku mispractice.
T.J. Hawkinson mispractice with a shin injury.
Offensive line.
Jamie, you mentioned that the left tackle for the Cardinals is likely out.
He could be out.
I think he's going to be out.
But also Evan Brown, they were missing him last week, too,
but they're left to right guard, I'm not sure.
Starting offensive guard, he was out last week and did not practice yesterday.
Tristan Worf's is going to play tonight for the Bucks.
Some good news, Colton Miller left tackle for the Raiders, he practiced,
so he's eligible to return in the next three weeks.
So is Denver Guard Ben Powers coming off IR maybe pretty soon.
Trey Pipkins, Chargers right tackle.
He mispractice and Eagles right tackle Lane Johnson mispractice.
And the Cardinals are super beat up on defense.
Jalen Carter for the Eagles.
He didn't practice yesterday.
DeForest Buckner, though, was limited for the Colts.
Trent McDuffie was limited for the Chiefs.
That was great to see.
Kicker Eddie Pignero is back for Tennessee, or for San Francisco against Tennessee.
And cornerback, J.C. Horn is still in the concussion protocol for the Panthers.
He's their best corner.
He's very good.
They're at New Orleans, but he is making progress.
He's trending in the right direction.
One question for each game.
Chargers are at the Chiefs.
Heath, do you want to start any chargers in this game?
I was just thinking about that, and the one that I do have some interest in is Amarian Hampton
on the hope that he played 30% of the snaps last week because it was his first game back
and not because he put on one of the worst pass-blocking performances we've seen this season.
And I think he could be a low-end RB2.
I think Glad McConkey, if you have to start him as a wide receiver 3,
is not the worst thing in the world
but I don't really
like I would feel better about my team
if I didn't have to start any chargers
yeah well that's because week 15 sucks
yeah McConkey at least he has a good target share
most weeks they just have barely been throwing
but I'll talk about that more in a little bit
Buffalo's at New England Jamie do you like
who do you like better it's a great matchup for Treveon Henderson
do you like him or Stefan Diggs who has two duds in a row
Henderson, you know, I think the floor has kind of been established in the last two games
with Ramandre Stevenson of 11 PPR points.
The floor for Stefan Diggs could be four, you know, so Buffalo, I know, did not do well against
him the first time around.
I don't know how much of that was just him in Buffalo, revenge game factor, play great.
He's been very up and down.
So I do think that Stefan Diggs can play well here.
And obviously Trevion and Henderson could go either way.
but I think we've seen the bad games
and the bad games I think have been somewhat safe
with Henderson. Again, and the two-game
sample size was Stevenson back.
Green Bay is at Denver. Heath rank
R.J. Harvey, Cortland Sutton
and Christian Watson.
I think you just did.
I would go Harvey, Sutton, Watson.
Arizona at Houston. Heath, I'll go to you again.
You think this is going to be a big game for
Dalton Schultz? Great matchup.
I don't know that it's going to be
a big game. I would
view him as
a borderline top 12
tight end. I think right now
like I've got him ahead of
Brenton Strange
but and ahead of Goddard
but and ahead of Ferguson
but not quite in the top 12.
All right. That is Dalton Schultz.
Baltimore's at Cincinnati. Jamie. Starters hit
Zay Flowers because we just saw this movie
two weeks ago with DJ Turner
shadowing him and doing a pretty good job.
However, you did have the touchdown called back
on a pretty iffy pass interference call,
and Flowers was getting open against Turner
for what it's worth. So starters
said say Flowers. Starter and
three receiver leagues, borderline starter and two receiver
leagues. It's not just that game.
It's the Bengals in the last five weeks.
It's only four games for them, but five weeks.
They are number one and fewest fantasy
points allowed to opposing wide receivers.
So they've been doing just a great job overall, all season,
really. I mean, you know, it's a byproduct
of tight ends killing them, run games,
killing them, you know, so take that into account.
But yes, DJ Turner's had a very solid season.
and Zay Flowers, look, depending on the format that you play in,
that would have only been his second touchdown this year.
He has not scored a touchdown since week one.
So we're talking about, again, the floor seems to usually be safe.
Like I throw out what he did last game,
but usually he's around 11, 12 ppr points, you know,
and that's been in some good matchups.
So I don't think it's a slam dunk.
You're starting him in two receiver leagues.
I think it also depends on how much better you think the Bengals offense
is going to be than it was when these two teams played last time.
like burrow through 46 passes and only had 261 yards.
If you think that the Bengals are a little more efficient offensively,
I think we get a few more targets, maybe, for Zay Flowers.
He didn't have Higgins in that game, right?
He didn't have Chase.
No, he didn't have Higgins.
Yeah, Chase missed the New England game.
Higgins missed that game, and now Higgins is in the concussion protocol again.
Yeah, Flowers has two end zone targets, one green zone target,
three red zone targets all year in the 10 games with Lamar Jackson.
I mean, again, you play this out how the Ravens can use their tight ends, will use their tight ends, the production from their tight ends.
They don't really need Zayflowers to make this an offensive showcase for Lamar Jackson.
All right, and Raiders are at the Eagles. Heath rank these guys.
Ashton Genty, Sequan Barkley, Devante Smith.
Once again, I would go in that order in full PPR.
and non-PPR
Barkley would have definitely over Genty
Okay
And half-PPR, Berkeley definitely over Genty
And I think, Jamie, you have Barclay over-Gentee
In all formats, right?
I have Barclay or Jenty
Yeah, I think they're going to dominate time of possession
And hopefully this is a good enough game for Sequin
Devante Smith or Zay Flowers
It's a Spider-Man meme
I'll take Smith
I've got flowers higher, but yeah
You want to hear a stat on Devante Smith
he's had eight or more targets in three straight games
and he's been really bad in each of the last two games
but usually when he gets eight or more targets
he is absolute money and now I can't find my stat
but I think it's over the last three years
15 of the last of 21 times
where he's had eight or more targets
Devante Smith has scored 14 or more PPR fantasy points
and it was 17 of it was 15 of 19 before the last two games
You wouldn't really think this would be a high-pass volume game for Jalen Hertz.
It was 16 of 19 before the last.
No, I know that, but he's still getting a lot of targets lately.
All right.
This should be, depending on how much he throws,
but this should be a chance to get him right,
you know, after last week's disappointment.
You know what?
The Raiders do not, they're not that bad against quarterbacks.
They're 17th against quarterbacks.
They give up almost no big plays.
One of the best in the league at preventing big plays.
It's kind of strange.
And great against 10-ins.
Yeah, and great against tight ends.
But I think, you know, we're probably going to start the Eagles.
Pass catchers for the most part.
Smith would be interesting.
Yeah, this could be a two-passing, two-tush-push game for Hertz.
I didn't mean pass-catchers.
I meant Hertz and Brown.
Yeah, Smith is obviously always tricky.
All right, Miami at Pittsburgh.
How much do you trust D.K. Metcalf, Jamie?
Well, first off, he's got to make sure he's healthy.
You know, it sounds like he's going to play.
But I think you just treat him as you kind of have been.
You know, if he's been in your starting lineup, you continue to roll with it.
I wouldn't get over-excited about last week.
And, you know, this matchup is not exactly one.
I think we have to say, oh, my God, they're great.
You know, I know they've been good against receivers,
but I think it's a byproduct of early in the season teams
are running on them.
So the Dolphins, I mean.
I like the fact that they threw the ball downfield.
You know, they made that attempt, you know, that switch.
So he's a little bit better than he has been,
but still a low-end number-to-receiver at best.
So you guys, Heath, you talked about Harold Fanon Jr.
as a player who loved.
Jamie, you talked about Woody Marks as a player you love.
I assume you'd start those guys over Metcalf?
Yes.
Yeah.
Okay.
Last game, Jets at Jacksonville.
Who do you like better?
Breece Hall or Jacoby Myers, Heath?
Both of these guys terrify me, but I'll say Breece Hall.
I'll take Myers and PPR.
If we consider this a tough matchup for Breece Hall,
I think he's had four tough matchups going into this game.
Tampa Bay, when they were good against the run, Denver, Cleveland, and New England.
and he scored single-digit PPR fantasy points in three of those four games.
Cleveland, he had a 42-yard touchdown catch.
Other than that, he's been really bad in tough matchups.
He's been really bad in losses by more than seven points this year, Brees Hall.
So he makes everyone nervous, I'm sure.
All right, Chargers are at the Chiefs.
How many past attempts, Heath, do you have Justin Herbert projected for?
I have him projected for 33.
That would be a lot.
It's 29 or fewer in five of his last six games, and the other one was 33.
So that would match the most in his last six games.
But when they've been competitive, he's actually had a lot of, in two of those six games,
he's had a decent amount of dropbacks, just keeps running.
Nine carries, one week, 10 carries.
So that's in like the two competitive games they've had in their last six.
There's been a lot of blowouts for the Chargers.
So I think that last six goes through.
I had this debt.
Since week nine, just in,
Herbert is QB19, Ladd-McConkey's wide receiver 35, Quentin Johnston's wide receiver 59,
Keenan Allen's 74, and Arronday Gadsden is tight-end 33.
So we can basically some of it.
The tough call here is McConkey, right?
I mean, no one wants to start Johnston or Gadsden at this point, and Herbert's tough to trust,
but McConkey, on the other hand, he's great player, but he's been struggling.
I asked you guys about
Zay Flowers and Devante Smith.
Jamie, where would you put
McConkey with those guys?
I think I have it's Smith,
McConkey, Flowers.
But they're pretty similar, right?
Yes.
I've got McConkey last.
Okay.
And then
Hampton or Cream Hunt?
Hampton.
I have
Hunt.
Really?
That's a
vote of confidence for kareem hunt i'm not i mean i just said that i wasn't super excited about
omari and hampton so it's not a huge vote of confidence at all okay like you get you can get the
kareem hunt game you got last week and he gives you nine ppr points 12 carries 30 yards and a touchdown
this is a great matchup they really struggle against the run the chargers maybe they mix in pacheco
a little bit more pacheco started the game last week um jamie ricey rice no issues raised like top seven for everyone
briefly on Mahomes.
What I'm going to do today,
if we're talking about a player
that we discussed on yesterday's
tough call show,
I'm not going to have a five-minute discussion
about him today.
So I will do it briefly
and then I'll refer you to yesterday's show.
Mahomes, we talked about,
but how do you feel about him, Jamie?
Low end starter.
Has not thrown multiple touchdown passes
in three straight games against the Chargers.
Did have 28 fantasy points
because of his rushing in the week one game in Brazil.
And the Chargers are number two
against opposing quarterbacks.
So not an easy situation for a guy that has one great game in his last five,
I believe, or the last four.
So I'm starting him based on hope, essentially,
that he's going to be the Patrick Mahomes that we know he can be.
He's been awesome in four of six or five of seven in their building this season.
So he's usually great at Arrowhead.
I just, the only two quarterbacks I would bench him for are Brock Purdy and Jackson Dart of the non-regulars.
So Mariota
I would not start Mario over my homes
I would not either
I've actually got priority behind my homes also
but I would definitely start dart over him
Drake May
I would start May
I'd start May I'd start May over moms
All right they both have difficult matchups here
Okay
And then yeah I think let's spend a little bit more time
On Hampton and Vidal
So Heath
What are your expectations for them
I think I have Hampton projected
for like a 60-40 split with Vidal likely getting more work in the passing game.
I think game script will make a big difference here because like you said,
they've really tried to be more run heavy and it could be a situation like I said with
Carolina where they just have 30 rush attempts and sharing doesn't hurt Hampton that much.
I'm pretty worried about the fact that Hampton looked so bad in past protection
and Vidal ran a route on like 50% of the dropbacks for just.
and Herbert. So I'm not sure Hampton's quite as good in full PPR as he's a non-PPR,
but he is basically the most borderline RB2 for me this week, right? About 24.
Anything to add, Jamie?
I mean, you've seen the Chiefs, you know, give up touchdowns lately, and that's kind of been
the thing I think that you're going to hold for it. It's very similar to Kreme Hunt.
You know, three running backs in last five games have scored at least 13 and a half PPR points
against the Chiefs. That's six touchdowns in that span.
So, you know, can Hampton find his way into the end zone?
And that's what saved him last week on a reception.
You know, again, I agree with Heath.
He's going to play more than 31% of the snaps.
That will hopefully just be a byproduct on easing him back in.
I feel like this is going to be a game where the chargers try to grind it out
and not necessarily make Justin Herbert with a broken hand have to win it for them,
especially if they're chasing points.
But if that's the case, then Hampton is going to be in a little bit of trouble,
at least the expectation.
So low in number two running back.
All right.
Travis Kelsey's the last guy we'll talk about here.
He's top seven.
Tough to get away from him.
But if you have Harold Fanon Jr., are you starting him over Kelsey?
Yep.
Yep.
Dalton Kincaid?
Over Kelsey for me, yes.
I would not.
Dalton Schultz?
I would not.
Kelsey Oversholtz.
Anyone else named Dalton?
Andy Dalton?
No.
Roadhouse Dalton.
Probably.
I don't know who that is.
You've never seen the movie Roadhouse?
The original?
I've never seen the new one, yes.
This is a good one.
I would start Pitts over Kelsey.
Yes.
We're talking about Roadhouse here.
All right, back,
let's go to your questions here.
Purdy or Mahomes, Jamie goes Purdy.
Heath Goes Mahomes are very close.
Would you start Hampton over Woody Marks
or Rico Dowdell and PPR?
Nope.
Ladd-McConkey or Chris Olave.
Olavey.
Lave.
Hampton or Jordan Addison,
P.P.R. Hampton.
Yeah. Hunt or Stevenson, half
PPR? Hunt. Hunt.
Ladd, Sutton, or
Kareem Hunt, PPR?
Sutton.
Xavier Worthy or Devon Valet?
Veil.
Ugh.
They are
back to back for me.
I'll say Veilie to be
make it easy.
Worthy versus the Giants
receivers.
Wondale.
Slayton worthy Hodgins
I'd go Wondale
Worthy Slaten Hodgians
Okay moving on
These DSTs are in place certainly
They're both top 12
Chiefs are top 12
Chargers are a little bit outside of that
All right Buffalo is at New England
And yeah
Fun game here hopefully
Huge game
New England and New England is in the playoffs
If they win they clinch the division I'm pretty sure
They're definitely in the playoffs with a win
Anyway
I mean this this game has
enormous MVP ramifications.
Yeah.
Enormous.
Any tough calls with the Bills, Heath?
I think Khalil Shakir is a very tough call because the targets have kind of disappeared as of late.
But we know he has the potential to be their most targeted wide receiver and see eight or nine targets and be a good number two wide receiver.
I think it's better to view him as kind of a low end number three with the loss in volume recently.
did he what did he do in the first game did he play did he miss that game do i have that
calio chakir against new england he had six catches for 45 yards 11 fantasy points on nine targets i
can't figure out the usage with him i just can't uh but four or fewer targets in three of the
last four games yeah calil shakir keir game that's what he's not done in the last no no yeah lately
No, but I have a tough call in one league with Shakir versus it's half PPR with Kareem Hunt.
And I want to play Shakir because there's, to me, much more upside.
But at least Hunt, I know I can get probably 9 to 12 points at this point if he scores.
Shakir just feels very frustrated right now.
But who, okay, so Shakir versus Kareem Hunt, who's more likely to score?
Hunt.
Hunt.
But who's more likely to have more total yards?
I think Yards is probably a push.
It's just that Shakir might have five more catches.
Right.
If this was full PPR, it's no question.
It's Shakir.
If this is non-PPR, there's no question a ton.
You know, the half puts it a little bit of a tough call.
All right, start Josh Allen, start James Cook.
Patriots run defense hasn't been, not that you wouldn't start Cook anyway,
but hasn't been quite the same since Milton Williams went on.
I are Dalton Kincaid.
Jamie likes a lot more than Heath.
Jamie and Dave have Kincaid top seven.
Heath has him 11th, so you can certainly still start Kincaid.
Patriots are 24.
against tight ends.
Back to Khalil Shakir real quick.
He's behind McConkey,
he's behind Zay Flowers,
behind Devante Smith, those guys, right?
Yes.
How about the Bucks receivers tonight?
It looks like Evans is going to play.
Where did Khalil Shakir fit in with them?
He's ahead of Godwin behind Evans and Abuka.
I would say it's exactly the same for me.
Okay.
Drake May.
So look, the bills,
only two quarterbacks have been good all year
against the bills.
Lamar Jackson, week one,
Joe Burrow, Week 14.
Jamie, start or sit, Drake May.
I would start him, but I do like Purdy and Dart better than him.
So there's two guys that, again, non-regulars.
It's not going to be easy.
You know, you hope that last time these two teams played,
the Patriots were playing with the lead.
You know, hopefully this time the bills are playing with the lead,
and we see a little bit more of Drake May having to throw the ball.
But he just didn't score touchdowns in that game.
You know, so I'm hopeful that he has a multiple touchdown game.
And uses legs a little bit, can be the third best quarterback against the bills this season.
So it's not easy.
This is one of those guys, you know, to your point out about this being a crappy week.
Like, this is a guy that has been carrying a lot of fantasy managers.
And you can't say, like, this is the week that he will help me win my league, at least based on the matchup going into it.
Okay.
First game against the bills, 12.1 points, 273 yards.
He's almost always getting 270 or more yards.
It's pretty amazing.
He's awesome.
Yeah, he's great.
So that's something to hang your hat on.
That's good stuff.
All right, Trayvion Henderson, we talked a little bit about earlier.
Looks like he's around 24th.
He's tough, man.
And Remandre Stevenson's around 36th.
I will say, like, a lot of times you have guys ranked in a similar range.
Henderson is kind of a guy more that I want to start in that range,
even though you can't rank him super high because of the split with Stevenson
and the risk of Stevenson getting the touchdown.
But, man, I could see Trayvion Henderson having a great game.
Yep.
Even with the way Vrable's dealt with the rookie this year, it still is true that for
there's a reason we have the, hey, rookie coming off a buy, this could be the time they set him loose.
And in that last game, Stevenson was, from my recollection, really not very good.
And Henderson was a lot better late.
I just, I really have a little hope.
you can't rank you can't project it but i have a little hope that we get like
16 touches for henderson and he just goes wild against this bill's defense he's he's the one
guy on this team that could take their offense to another level yep like maybe kyle williams
also you know another young explosive player but like man stevenson just doesn't have that juice
and if henderson could ever figure it out and rabble can trust him like you saw it in the games
where Stevenson missed, like,
that's the thing that takes this team to, you know,
yeah, maybe they can make a playoff run
or, holy cow, if this kid clicks.
Like, they could be scary.
Yep.
Would you start him or Woody Marks, Henderson or Marks?
Marks.
The matchup and the touches are just too hard to overlook for Mark.
And Woody Marks could have a huge game.
He has a lot upside too.
But I think like when you start to,
when you start to look at Henderson versus,
and most people are going to still start these other.
guys, but Henderson versus Brees Hall
in his tough matchup, and Henderson versus
Judkins and what he has done or not
done recently, Henderson
versus
Jalen Warren, you know, those type of guys, you know,
where, you know, they're getting work,
matchup good, some cases
not great, you know, like
Henderson can be so much better than them.
Okay.
I'm starting digs this week.
I just feel like...
Two receiver league or three receiver league?
Two.
Okay.
I mean, I don't have great receivers in that league.
No, but that's the question because I think in every three-year-season he's starting.
Actually, no, I have Michael Wilson.
I forgot.
I have A.J. Brown and Michael Wilson, so I think he'll be my flex.
I don't know.
I'm going to buy into the narrative that he's going to do well against the bills again.
But if he has another bad game, I think it's like, hopefully you advance the next round,
but you cannot trust him.
The metrics are so good when he's targeted.
It just, and he's in the slot a lot.
You know, the bills have been very good against these outs.
outside receivers lately because
Christian Bedford's playing really well,
but he's in the slot,
digs in the slot all the time.
So,
um,
he should have a good game.
I hope so.
He should.
All right,
let's see what the,
we have Hunter Henry as well.
Uh,
I think you guys want to sit him as a tough matchup.
Henry can,
can cave,
we're going Concade.
Patriots, DST, or Broncos?
Broncos.
Broncos.
Uh, Judkins,
Hampton,
Diggs,
Emeka,
Buka,
Justin Jefferson.
Does Diggs crack the top three here?
Judkins, Hampton, Diggs, Abuka, and Jefferson?
In PPR, I play the three receivers.
I would have Judkins over Diggs.
I would start him over Abuka and Jefferson, though.
You guys wouldn't?
Diggs?
Yeah.
No.
Okay, you guys are not feeling it with Diggs like I am.
That's fine, I understand.
I mean, I have all three receivers in a very similar range.
Again, I think there's, to me, there's more upside with the receivers.
There's obviously a lot more downside, as we've seen with Jefferson.
all three of them, but
Judkins needs touchdowns, and will he
get them? That's the question. I wonder if Judkins has
a few more targets with Ford out and
Samson banged up. Well, that was the case
last week, though. Yeah.
Drake May or...
The Browns were to score as many points as they did, and Shadur would
play as well as that you would thought Judkins would have a monster game.
Definitely. Drake May or
Jordan Love? May.
Drake May or Joe Burrow?
Burrow, for me, I have this decision to make in several weeks.
I have May.
The decision I've been making all year
that I have to make is May versus deck
and I haven't decided that one.
Oh, yeah, that's tough.
Henderson or Dowdle?
Doubtle.
Go on to our next game here.
After this quick commercial break on fantasy football today,
when we come back, it is Green Bay at Denver.
Be right back.
Back to the games.
Packers are at the Broncos.
How is Jordan Love done in tough matchups?
Terrible.
And no one's really telling you
to start Jordan Love, but this is relevant for Christian Watson.
I've got him with five tough matchups at Cleveland, at Arizona.
They had been tough.
Carolina, they don't give a lot of fantasy points to quarterbacks.
Philadelphia and Minnesota, he's thrown for more than 183 yards once in those five games.
Great stat from Dave here.
Eight wide receivers have scored 13 or more PPR fantasy points against the Broncos.
All eight of them had nine or more targets.
That's what it takes to do well against the Broncos.
And a Packers-wide receivers had nine or more targets three times all.
year. Thank you, Dave Richard, for a great stat.
How many of those games are with their tan out?
He only missed two games, right?
He left one very early.
He missed the Nico.
Nico had a big game, and I honestly don't remember.
But nine targets is kind of what it takes.
Watson's a different animal because he can, you know, he's so efficient.
But anyhow, yeah, I mean, is Josh Jacobs
the only guy you want to start for Green Bay, Jamie?
Yes.
All right, we've talked a lot about Watson.
Where's he in the rankings?
25.
28, please.
Okay.
I would start him over Diggs.
I would start Diggs.
Would you start Watson or Hampton?
I would start Hampton.
I think Hampton's a lot safer.
I think Watson has more upside.
I would probably start Hampton too.
We like Sutton better than Watson, right?
Yes.
Do we like Sutton, Jeheath, in general?
I don't really.
He is top 24.
I think you're probably starting him.
The Broncos just always make me nervous with their usage.
And this is one of the lowest over-unders of the week,
so I'm not sure you're going to get a touchdown.
And he hasn't had a lot of great games this year without a touchdown.
Okay.
We have 42 and a half over-under.
I'm not going to talk about Jacobs,
but I will say this about Jacobs.
The Broncos have not allowed more than 11 receiving yards.
So running back in six straight games.
It's insane.
So you better hope he scores.
What else we got here?
So Harvey.
This is a guy...
Who are those six teams, though?
I mean, I know Raiders, but Raiders twice, right?
Raiders twice.
And Gentie, I mean, that's the most impressive one.
Genti have been so involved in the president.
They don't use their running backs in the passing game.
Chiefs, Texans, Cowboys, Washington, Raiders twice.
So part of that is who they played.
11 yards though I mean
I don't know it's it's impressive
but we we've seen
Woody marks get phased out of the passing game
for some stupid reason
the Raiders I mean the commanders
never throw to their their running backs
like yeah
well the Packers don't do it that often either
but Jacob's three catches in his last two
games but sometimes it gets like five you never know
um okay so
RJ Harvey is just like I'm happy to
have him this week I know it's
looks like a tough matchup on paper but
they're missing Devante Wyatt so
maybe they're not as good against the run.
Harvey is going to be started in a lot of leagues.
In fact, I'm a little surprised he's only 15th for you guys, but whatever.
Start RJ Harvey.
Well, I mean, the risk is like you take the game two games ago against Washington for them, right?
He was my start of the week.
I got lucky as hell that he gave you the fantasy production and gave you because he scored two touchdowns.
One of them wasn't overtime.
So you love the fact that he's involved in the passing game.
That should continue in this matchup.
Is he going to have success running?
Because we know how he likes to bounce things to the outside.
this is a very aggressive defense.
He could have a couple of huge runs here.
But yes, missing Wyatt is big.
They still did a pretty good job, though,
against the Bears' rushing attack.
Did they?
I don't know that they...
Well, me, given how successful Chicago's been running the ball.
Yeah.
They didn't give...
Yeah, they really didn't give up any of those, like, big plays.
They've played three games without Wyatt,
and they've held up fairly well.
So you're right.
It is a tough matchup, but he's top 15 for...
He's 15th for Jamie and Heath.
That's R.J. Harvey.
he's 17th for Dave.
Real quick, I skipped Jaden Reed and the other receivers.
You know, Xavier Worthy or Jaden Reed?
Who would you rather start?
Reed.
Reed.
Jaden Reed or Khalil Shakir.
Shakir.
I feel like they're kind of the same guy.
I'm a little bit more optimistic
than maybe they have to get Reed more involved
on some of these gimmicky type plays
that he has success on
because they can't succeed throwing
the ball downfield against this defense,
but I've got Reed one spot higher.
They're both right around wide receiver 36.
Yeah, two carries for 22 yards last week.
That's always a possibility with Reed.
How about...
Didn't Debo have a good game against the Broncos?
Debo did have a good game against the Broncos.
That was with Mario throwing 50.
No, yes.
No, he was okay.
McLauron had the big game.
Yeah, Debo had a deep ball catch in overtime
against Riley Moss, who stopped running on the play.
It saved his bacon a little bit.
We're sitting in the tight ends, right?
Definitely, yeah.
And the DSTs, which one do you like better?
Packers or Broncos?
Packers slightly.
Every time you ask me a defensive question,
I have to go click on my defensive rank.
That's why I wasn't even going to make you answer.
I have the Packers one spot ahead of the Broncos,
so I agree completely with Jamie.
Start the Jaguars over them?
Yes.
Start the Niners?
Yes.
Okay.
Quickly, we'll see if we have any chat questions.
Shakir, Godwin, or Troy Franklin?
Shakir.
Yeah, Shakir.
Jaden Reed or John Mechie?
Reed.
Jennings or Sutton?
Jennings for me.
Sutton for me.
Abuka or Sutton?
Sutton for me.
Yeah, I'm done with Troy Franklin.
He ran 35% of the rounds.
Not if Pat Ryan's out.
Oh, that's true.
If Pat Bryant's out, it makes things interesting.
That's the guy who's been playing ahead of him, so.
Yeah.
And I think you said yesterday, you don't trust Sean Payton, so I totally get that.
I wonder if, because Franklin and Nix played together in college, right?
Yes.
Yes.
I wonder if Sean Payton just had to take Troy Franklin off the field so Bo Nix would
stop throwing to him and start throwing to Cortland Sutton.
All right.
This guy just keeps throwing it was buddy.
Arizona's at Houston.
Tray McBride trying to break a record for most consecutive games
with five or more catches by a tight end.
Only one tight end has had five or more catches against Houston this season.
So listen, we've spent a lot of time this week on Brissette and Michael Wilson.
So we're going to be quick with it here.
Listen to yesterday's show if you want more on them.
Heath, where do you have Brissette?
Where do you have Michael Wilson?
And Brissette's right around QB16.
We are calling him a sit.
I would be, I would, like, no question about it.
I'm starting Jackson Dart over him.
I think, like, when it comes down to the Mariotta thing or even the Purdy thing,
something Jamie said earlier in the week about if you bench this guy that was drafted
in round four, for this guy that has a good matchup, you might have to sit with that for
the next few months.
And you have to decide, like, what's the thing that would upset you the most?
And I think it's the same thing with Brissette.
he wasn't drafted high, but we got like eight weeks in a row of him averaging 24 fantasy
points a game as a starter.
If sitting that guy, because he's facing the Texans, is going to make you feel dumb
for the next six months, then there's still reason to have hope for Joey Bresset because
he's played like four good defenses, not the Texans, but four good defenses and giving
you at least 20 points every week and at least 23 almost every week.
So we're calling him a sit, but it's not like a must.
sit i don't think there's still reason for hope and we're starting michael wilson yeah okay
michael wilson is like a top 12 wide receiver but if marvin harrison junior plays michael wilson will
probably be a sit and where would marvin harrison junior be ranked heath 25
why not where wilson's a total total guess why not where wilson's ranked because he's not as good as
michael wilson he doesn't do the same things he's never been as good as michael wilson yeah i think
I think I don't know.
I think he's more talented than Michael Wilson, but the way that they use him, he doesn't
get targeted at the same rate.
He doesn't work necessarily in the same part of the field.
It's just not the same guy.
He was really tearing up the bucks.
Well, Dallas, yeah, and that was like the best game we've ever seen from him.
But against the bucks, he had a-
great start, you're right.
Yeah, he had a 24% target per out-run rate.
He had six catches for 69 yards on seven targets, and then he got hurt.
Look, he is, and Heath, correct me if we're wrong in this, he should be such a buy in dynasty.
He's such a buy in keeper leagues if you can get somebody, depending on how many players you keep.
Like, whatever quarterback they are going to get is going to be more in the mold of Brissette than Kyler Murray.
They're going to get a pocket quarterback, I would assume, or somebody that could play in the pocket.
And you see the upside of what Tray McBride and Marvin Harrison are.
Like those guys, and Michael Wilson, obviously, but you see the upside of what they're receiving court could be, you know, with a,
with a quarterback that plays on schedule.
Okay.
So let's go to the Texans here.
Start McBride.
We do not want to start the running backs for the Cardinals this week.
C.J. Stroud or Jacoby Brissette, Jamie?
I'd go Stroud.
You know, again, it's tough to make that call.
I get what Heath is saying.
But, like, you're looking at the matchup here,
and the last three quarterbacks against the Cardinals
have done Jacoby Brissette-like things.
And so, you know, again, who have those guys been?
Well, one was Brock Purdy, who threw for three touchdowns.
One was Trevor Lawrence, who threw three interceptions and three touchdowns.
And one was Matthew Stafford, who obviously beats up everybody.
But I think you just look at what Stroud has done in these type of situations.
Two of three games at home, over 22 fantasy points, taking advantage of a good matchups this season.
Well, that's when he's actually been at his best and looked like the quarterback we saw as a rookie.
The last two games for him have been tough because the matchups have been brutal.
I get it.
I understand everything he just said, you know, but wouldn't surprise me if Stroud is 20 to 22
and Berset is 18 to 20.
I have Stroud one spot ahead of Jacoby Brissette right now.
This might be one that goes up to Sunday morning
because I do feel like if I started Stroud over Brissette
with what they've done the last two months,
I would feel like an idiot moron.
Again, just keep in mind.
This defense is awesome and now new left tackle.
For the Cardinals.
Yeah.
Yep.
All right.
We talked about Woody Mark.
he's 16th or so.
He's like right next to R.J. Harvey in the rankings.
Jamie, you said he was a player you love.
Just real quick, would it change if Nick Chubb played?
Would I start Harvey over?
No, would Marks' ranking change if Nick Chub.
Oh, not much.
I mean, you know, Chub has been a factor.
I think Dario Gumbowali, if that's who they're going to go with as their backup guys,
seems like that's the case, would be a factor.
They've shown you what they think of Woody Marks, you know, 17 carries, 18 carries.
I mean, it's been very consistent.
Then last week, 26 carries.
Like, I know Nick Chubb left the game, but, like, they're running this kid into the ground right away.
And so I would be very surprised as they're making this playoff push in a game that they should dominate that Woody Marks does not have the chance to get up, get them off to a great start.
So he may, you know, if this ankle injury is nagging him and, you know, we've seen him, you know, get up slowly a few times, leave the game for a series or two.
You know, it feels like, oh, my God, he got hurt and something's, you know, terrible here.
but, like, how do they not give this kid every chance to run through this defense?
That's just been huge gaping holes for running backs the last month.
All right.
I got to tell.
Sorry, Heath, the Cardinals.
You like 12.4 PPR fantasy points as a floor.
All but one game, a running back has scored 12.4 or more PPR fantasy points.
16.1 or more.
How about this?
Five running backs have scored 16.1 or more PPR fantasy points in the last four games against the Cardinals.
start nico heath jaden higgins starter sit i don't really want to be starting him but if if i'm in a
deeper league and he's my wide receiver three then then there's there's reason for hope i think he's
a good player he's wide receiver 41 for me so right in that brian thomas junior range he's ahead
of him um he is behind valet he is behind chakir he's behind jaden reed for me dalton shultz is
10th to 12th in the rankings
it is a really good matchup
and he's behind Isaiah likely
not for Heath though
he's behind
Tyler Warren still
behind
Fanon
would you go Theo Johnson or Dalton Schultz
Theo
Schultz
and start the Texans
DST and let's go
chat real quick
Michael Wilson or AJ Brown
Brown for me
Brown
C.J. Stroud or
Jordan Love?
Stroud.
I've got Stroud.
Brissette or Herbert?
Brissette.
Brissette.
The final Brissette stat
as I'm trying to convince myself
that he could be okay.
Since week six,
he's averaging
49 dropbacks per game.
Second is 43.
Wow.
There's like five.
Five quarterbacks over 40.
Like, he could have a bad game that is still a good game for fantasy just because he drops, like you said, they're not going to be able to run against Houston.
It's probably going to be over 50 dropbacks.
You want to know the quarterbacks?
I said this, I think, on Tuesday.
Four quarterbacks have thrown 37 or more passes against Houston.
Baker Mayfield had the best game of any quarterback, 24 fantasy points, six point per pass to touchdown leagues.
Trevor Lawrence, 40 pass attempts, eight fantasy points.
Um, Bo Nix, 37 pass attempts, 20.5.
And Cam Ward, whatever, 37 pasts, 15.1.
I'm going to say, let's 20.
So two of the four scored at least 20?
Three, two of the four, yeah.
And you're going to be percent's better than all of them.
Yeah, he's better than most.
All right.
Baltimore's at Cincinnati.
I'm going to make this game easy.
We'll spend a lot of time in the tight ends, but Jamie, is this a pretty much start-em-all kind of game here?
I mean, there's a lot of starts in this game, right?
Baltimore, Cincinnati?
Yeah, for sure.
You know, I mean, both quarterbacks you should be starting, both running backs you should be starting.
You're starting Jamar Chase.
You should be starting Isaiah likely.
And then it comes down to, do you trust Zayflowers as a must start guy in two receiver leagues?
I would say no, but I certainly can understand if the answer is yes.
Gaseki's setup is great, but this is not the best matchup for him.
So he's a borderline starter, I think.
and
Yoshavos, if he starts in place of T. Higgins,
is a desperation play.
Obviously, you're starting Higgins if he's out there.
All right, Heath, I really want to get into this
because you are not sold on Isaiah likely
the way Dave and Jamie are, sorry.
And, yeah, go ahead, discuss your thoughts on likely.
I think my problem with both of the Ravens' tight ends
is the same thing.
And I think I said it two weeks ago when these two teams played.
If I could start Ravens' tight end,
then just get the best one,
then they'd probably be a top five option.
One of them is probably going to be good.
There's so many tight ends that I have projected to score eight fantasy points this week.
And that's what Andrews had last time.
I think one of them probably scores between six and eight fantasy points,
and one of them probably scores 12 to 14 fantasy points.
I don't have any idea which one it will be.
I could see likely leading maybe the team,
but the tight ends in targets
and Andrews has three targets
and scores two touchdowns.
Yeah, I'll give you the stat.
It's really just the last two games for Likeley.
Well, he only has one more target than Andrews.
Andrews has 11.
He likely has 12.
This is in the last two games.
Andrews has four red zone targets.
Likely has three.
Andrew has, they both have two end zone targets,
but Likeley's had a lot more production.
He's also had two almost touchdowns,
fumbled at the goal line and had that one overturned.
So that would be three touchdowns in the last two games for Likeley if those had counted.
So, Jamie, why are you so – why are you convinced that likely should be ahead of Andrews and be started?
Well, I think you can get away with potentially starting both of them, depending on your tight-end situation.
I wouldn't do it in the same game.
But I think what you've seen from Likeley is he's kind of back to his role of being more of a receiver.
And you look at this receiving core and what they're dealing with.
You know, I think the DeAndre Hopkins experiment has clearly failed.
And Rashad Bateman has been in out of the lineup.
I don't think he even played in the first Bengals game, I'm not mistaken.
It's just more how he's been involved lately.
And so prior to the last two weeks, he was barely involved at all.
Likely, yeah.
All right.
And I do think, again, I said this yesterday, like, or Tuesday, if he has the two touchdowns,
And we're looking at back-to-back 18-point games for him.
And now he's facing the Bengals again.
Yeah.
He might be top five.
Yeah, but at the same time, he's basically got the same amount of targets,
same amount of end zone targets, red zone as Andrews over the last two weeks,
just happens to have been much more productive.
Yeah, I wouldn't shock me if his six targets go four for 50.
And Andrews has his five plus targets, or five to six targets.
and he's three for 28 and two touchdowns.
The Bengals have allowed the most yards after the catch per reception
and touchdowns to tight ends of any defense in the past six seasons,
according to Dave Richard.
Another great Dave stat.
Thank you, Dave.
Lamar Jackson's fourth for Jamie, fourth for Dave, seventh for Heath.
He had another touchdown last week that was DeAndre Hopkins wide open in the end zone.
Mark Andrews thought the pass was for him.
Andrews reached up and deflected it.
That would have been another touchdown for Lamar.
Start Derek Henry.
Zayflowers, we've talked enough about.
Although, Heath, I think you're higher on him.
I don't know if you've talked about it.
I am higher on him just because, like, last time these two teams put –
I think a lot of people would just like to forget the last time these two teams played,
for the Ravens' sake, at least, because Lamar was awful and had six fantasy points.
I just think if we believe this is going to be the game that Vegas says it is
and fantasy managers are hoping it is, it will be a good Zayflowers game.
All right. Joe Burrow is basically a must.
Actually, Heath, you have him ninth.
Is that because he doesn't have Higgins?
Eighth.
Yeah, I mean, he's eighth now.
Yeah.
That seems about right for Joe Burrow.
I think he was QB10 the last time these two teams played.
He was awesome last week.
Any hesitation, and Jamie has him third and Dave second for Burrow.
Any hesitation going back to Chase Brown?
None.
No.
No.
He's a high-end
RB 2 for me.
Woody marks or Chase Brown?
Brown, but they're close.
I think I have marks one spot higher.
And start Chase,
we mentioned.
All right, Gisicki.
We should start Mike Gassick.
Obviously, all of T. Higgins is out.
We just start Mike Gassiki or
Dallas Goddard.
I'd take a chance on Gassiki here.
Yeah.
I mean, let's be fair.
Gisiki, one of the best games against Buffalo.
Yes, the best game, right?
Might be, yes.
And would you start Gassiki or Hunter Henry if Higgins is out?
Gassi.
You're sick.
Okay.
And sit the DSDs.
Okay, next game, what we got for you here?
What's our next game, guys?
It is Ragus at Philadelphia.
All right.
How do you feel about the Eagles offense, Jamie, in this game?
about the Raiders offense
Eagles
Oh, Eagles offense
I'm starting Hertz
I'm starting Barkley
and I'm starting AJ Brown
I think you said this earlier
you know Devantte Smith is really the tough call
I know Dallas got it was great last week
but Raiders are top five
against opposing tight ends
and I would try to get away from him
yeah
but to me
AJ Brown
is obviously there's no way
we're taking him out
but
Barkley
like, Barclay had a long touchdown run
out of the Tush Push formation
last week, right?
I think he's gone two straight games
without a catch.
Jalen Hurst is obviously not playing that well.
So are you starting them because
they are who they are and we're starting them?
Are you starting them because,
like, I'm fired up to start A.J. Brown now.
I don't know that I feel that way
about Hertz and Barclay.
Well, again, you know,
I would start Purdy and Darty
over Hertz.
Okay.
Not starting Marioo or CJ Shout over Hertz of the two top waiver wire quarterbacks we mentioned.
I think this is a get right spot for them just because they're at home.
The Raiders are clearly a mess.
And I know their defense has played well in a lot of spots.
You know, so give them credit.
But this is like a long road trip late in the season.
They're going with a backup quarterback and Kenny Pickett.
Like this could be an absolute atrocious game for the Raiders.
So I just look at it as like this.
this should be, again, no guarantees, should be a get right spot for Jalen Hertz.
Now, to what extent that means, you know, he's not about putting up big numbers.
That's not his mantra.
But wouldn't shock me of Siriani being the type of coach that he is, like three push touchdowns for Jalen Hertz, you know, gives him some throws down the field.
And I know they're good at that, the Raiders, but, you know, we still see a few of those connect,
especially with the problem that they had with AJ Brown last week.
So I'm not going to get cute and bench Jalen Hertz for anybody that's not a guarantee to be on that level or better.
And to me, Purdy and Dart are on that level or better potentially this week.
We're not talking about San Francisco today, right?
No.
And I'm always the high guy on Purdy, I feel like, and I'm not this week.
So I'm starting Hertz over Purdy.
And I will just say the only reason I have a little bit of concern about Purdy,
they've been dominant lately
in winning games
in games for the season
they've got a 60.5% dropback rate
which is kind of middle of the pack
in games they've won more than 10
by more than 10 points it's 53 and a half percent
it's the nineers yes it's back to the old
San Francisco offense and we've seen
we've seen Purdy hovering around 30 pass
attempts the last three games and has not been
over 200 yards in the last three games
I think he'll be really efficient,
but you're going to need what he had three, four weeks ago
where he had 200 yards passing and three touchdowns, I think.
Okay.
Last thing on this is the Chargers last week who kind of flummoxed Jalen Hertz.
They are the second most zone heavy team in the NFL.
The Raiders are third most.
So I kind of, this is like, look, I'm starting my Eagles pretty much,
not Goddard, but I am curious to see,
like a little trepidation because I just don't know,
like it's such a it's not the layup on paper that it looks like although the the west coast
east coast thing is also is kind of an interesting point on this as well all right um you know
barclay's top 12 barclay or r j harvey barclay barclay barclay barclay okay devante smith or r j harvey harvey harvey
Harvey.
Devante Smith or Quinchon Judkins?
Jackins.
I'll go Judkins.
How about DeAndre Swift or Devante Smith?
I have they're basically tied in full PPR, Swift and half and none, but I'll take Smith in full PPR.
I did a lot of research on Devante Smith.
I will share, if you remind me, Jamie, we'll do it on the mailbag.
I'll talk to you about kind of what's going on with him.
this season, why he has so few touchdowns.
We'll save that for another show.
Dallas Goddard is a sit.
Brock Bowers is a start, not starting a Raiders receiver, not starting the Raiders quarterback.
And Ashton Gentie, again, I'm going to refer you to yesterday's show.
We talked a lot about Gentie, but for Dave and Jamie, Genties about 16th.
And for Heath in full PPR only, he's ninth.
But Heath said he's the running bat that has the biggest difference in his rank.
I think he's 22nd for me in non-PPR.
There you go.
All right, start the Eagles DST.
Next game, Miami at Pittsburgh Monday night.
Miami's been really good against running backs lately.
So A-Cham would be a must start, but Jamie, if A-chan doesn't play,
who would be the best running back in this game?
Jalen Wright.
Yep.
Heath, do you want to start Jalen Warren or Kenneth Gainwell?
They are both right around 25.
For me, I actually in full PPR have Gainwell higher, non-PPR, and half-PPR have Warren higher.
But they're, and Gainwell is not near as good in non-PPR.
Gainwell has one of the highest target per out-run rates of any running back.
He is about the same target per out run rate as Christian McCaffrey.
It's something like 27, 28%.
It's wild.
It just, he gets on the field, he gets targeted so frequently.
But he really needs that, really needs those catches.
Six or more targets in three of his last four games.
Now, Warren left one of those games, but still, it's overwhelming.
But you have his game log?
What did he score in the one game where he didn't get the targets?
6.5.
Yeah, so you need it.
Would you start D.K. Metcalfe or Jalen Warren, guys?
DK.
Jailen Warren.
Okay. Jailen Wadle is a must start.
Tua is a sit.
A. Chan's a stud.
but Jamie, where would you rank Jalen Wright
if H.N. Wright, if H.N. were out, do you think?
14, 15 range.
I'd probably put them right behind Woody Marks.
So behind Barclay still?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Behind Genty for Heath in front of Genty for Jamie, my guess?
Probably behind Genty.
Behind Genty.
All right.
This is Jalen Wright.
Coming off a great game.
The Steelers run defense.
They're missing Derek Harmon in the middle.
But they still, they're not bad.
Well, last month has been bad.
The game against James Cook, they didn't have Harmon,
and they lost Patrick Queen.
Last week was not because of Keaton Mitchell.
They did a decent job against Derek Henry,
25 carries for 94 yards, but Keaton Mitchell tore them up.
Do you want to start a tight end in this game?
No.
No.
I do think Friarmooth is interesting if darnall Washington's out
just because of hopefully a bump in targets,
but not to start.
Let's see what else from this game.
You want to talk a little bit more about Jalen,
Warren.
I think Jalen Warren
or Trayvion Henderson.
Henderson.
Yep.
I'm looking for chat questions
here for this game.
Which DST do you like better?
Steelers slightly.
Yeah.
What an interesting game this is.
The dolphins are on fire right now.
Their defense is playing great.
Their DST is just killing it.
Dolphins DST or Broncos Packers
DST?
Broncos Packers.
Yep.
All right.
Would you start, that's from last game, but I'll read it anyway.
Likely or Ferguson?
Likely.
Unless CD Lamb is out.
Right.
Right.
Okay.
I'm looking for this game.
Here we go.
Kenneth Gainwell, David Montgomery, or Kareem Hunt, PPR?
Gainwell.
Janewell.
Wow.
Okay.
D.K. Metcalf or Terraro O'Millan.
McMillan.
I think I have D.K.
one spot higher.
Darren Waller, Isaiah likely, or Tyler Warren?
Tyler Warren.
Here's the issue with Waller, for those of you asking.
One, he's not really playing that much.
Two, this is the second most run-heavy team in football
in terms of rate the Dolphins since week seven.
Something like that.
I might be a little off on the numbers,
but they are, we thought Justin Herbert wasn't throwing.
Tua is, you're lucky if you get like 27 pass attempts from Tua these days.
21, 23, 20, 21.
The last four games?
You kidding me?
23 or fewer pass attempts?
So unless the Steelers are going to put up a big number here,
the dolphins are going to try to run the ball as much as possible.
And just to go back to Jalen Wright,
there would be an Ollie Gordon problem too,
because he would probably be their goal line guy.
True.
All right.
Last one.
Pick two from this group.
Kenneth Gainwell, Rico Dowdell,
Ashton Genty, Travian-Henderson.
So this is where it's easy to sit, Gainwell.
But Dowdell, Gentry, Henderson.
Who would your two be?
Gentie and Dowdell.
Yep.
Okay.
I fear Gentie so much
because I just feel like
not that Geno Smith is so good,
but that they could just,
you know what,
Kenny Pickett can't be much worse
than what Gino Smith's been doing.
All right, moving on.
Last game today is the Jets and the Jaguars.
Jamie, only one jet in question?
Only one jet in question.
I hate Bruce.
Love Nick Folk.
we'll reassess this game if we get news that Taylor Fields is playing.
The Fields actually, like, remember the last time he played Thursday night against the Patriots?
He had a good game.
Don't overlook that.
But right now we're going to assume he's out.
Breece Hall or Jalen Warren?
Breece Hall.
Hall.
Breast Hall or...
Jack's run defense is so good, though.
I know.
I don't see a reason to start, Priest Hall.
Like I said, he's been bad in...
tough matchups four out of five times or three out of four times he's been bad in games where
they've lost by seven or more points uh five of four out of five times so everything's working
against him here and brady cook throws the ball down the field and it's a 13 and a half point
spread i mean it i don't see i just hate what's their implied total he the jets uh 14 and a half
oh i mean better better than the raiders yeah i'm going to verify that right now because
I haven't looked at it since last night.
But it's got to be right around there.
So 14.
Yeah, I don't know, man.
I can't get jazzed about it.
Yeah, I have a result.
One playoff team, I have a buy.
So hopefully it's a better offensive scenario next week.
Okay.
So he's 20th for Jamie.
Seven.
I just moved him to 17.
17th for Jamie, for Dave and Heath.
19th for Dave and 17th for Heath.
That's Breece Hall.
On the other side of the ball, Travis E.N.
We are starting.
He should go nuclear.
This is one of those guys like, you know, you say it's a bad week.
I want as much Travis E.T.N. as I possibly got.
What about Trevor Lawrence, man?
He is playing really well.
I put a throw of his on Twitter last night,
rolling left on the run, beautiful throw on the sideline to Tim Patrick.
He made three or four great downfield throws last week.
and he scored 23 or more points in three straight games.
Start or sit, Heath.
I'm going to sit him.
I believe this is the first time in his career.
He's had multiple touchdown passes in three straight games.
It's just the volume is so low.
And I think in this game, it's probably even lower.
I'm whispered low volume.
I like to make low volume jokes.
They really, they kill with the older crowd.
Well, the older crowd can't hear them.
I was setting you up for that.
Trevor Lawrence or C.J. Stroud.
Lawrence. Stroud for me.
Lawrence or Purdy.
Pertie.
Lawrence or Mahomes.
Mhombs.
Lawrence or golf?
Goff.
You haven't asked the right one yet, but golf.
Who's the right one?
Lawrence, not preset.
It's the guy we've talked about all.
week long, yes, Brissette.
I knew that Stroud and Brissette were back to back,
so I figured it was like, you know,
the transitive property or whatever.
But Lawrence or Brissette?
I would go Brissette.
Lawrence for me.
Who's your favorite pass catcher for the Jaguars
in terms of their position?
Jacobi.
Myers.
Well, if I knew his middle name, I would have jumped in there.
Jacobi Myers or Zayflowers?
Myers.
Yeah.
I've got Zay, one spot higher.
All right.
Myers or Sutton?
Myers.
I'm not sure Jacobi Myers has a middle name.
Oh, but then I said it.
How about that?
Brian Thomas Jr. or...
Brian Thomas Jr. or Khalil Shakir.
Shakir.
I have confirmed Jacobi Myers does not have a middle name.
About that.
Yeah.
And just the thing on Brian Thomas Jr.,
He's basically a vertical guy now.
He ran 35% of routes last week were go routes.
That's unbelievably high.
He caught two of them.
He has super high A-DOT lately,
and the Jets actually, for whatever it's worth,
very few deep-ball completions this year.
I think the second fewest deep-ball completions allowed.
But exciting what we're seeing
from the Jaguars offense recently.
And Brenton Strange is 13th for Jamie and Heath.
So he's in play.
but again it is volume is just the concern here jaguars dst is pretty much a must start at this point
all right here's some questions from the chat to end the show jacobie mires jaylin mcmillan or
mike evans meyers
meyers is the safe play i i kind of think we're going to get mike evans good game tonight
but i say jaylin macmillan because i meant i said i meant teterrella mcgillan
i'd start mcmillan over myers would you guys you're the you're the you're the tethera macmillan
guy. I mean, I'm not really a Jacoby Myers guy. You know, he's caught a touchdown in three straight games. Has he ever caught a touchdown in four straight games? Has he ever been to Jaguars before? Has Trevor ever thrown three multiple touchdowns in three straight games? It's things are different in Jackson. I think the thing about McMillan, it's very similar conversation. I agree with Heath. We're going to see a lot of running from the Panthers based on how they beat the Rams. So why would they go away from that formula? They're probably both looking at about six targets.
Brian Thomas, Jr. or Devin Neal?
Neil.
Neal.
Assuming Cameras out.
Let's see if I have one more.
Jags or Niners defense?
Yes.
I'd go Niners this week.
No, I'm sorry.
I go Jaggs this week.
I have Jags one spot higher.
Jacoby Myers or Christian Watson.
But if you have to make that decision,
I'd rather roster the 49ers for the next two games.
Well, the Jaguars have the Colts next week, don't they?
Jaguars have the Broncos next week.
Fair enough.
Myers or Watson?
Myers.
Yep.
Have a great day, everybody.
Enjoy the game tonight.
It should be really interesting to see how this receiving core looks for Tampa Bay.
And we hope you have a lot of fantasy success.
We'll talk to you tomorrow with the NFC home game.
See you.
