Fantasy Football Today - Start or Sit (NFC): 49ers, DeVonta, Howell and More (10/20 Fantasy Football Podcast)
Episode Date: October 20, 2023Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts and wherever else you listen to podcasts Week 7 began with an exciting finish in New ...Orleans, and we'll start the show with a recap of Jaguars-Saints! Should you just sit Calvin Ridley now? Is Alvin Kamara a Top 5 running back rest of season? What do we think about Chris Olave and Taysom Hill? We also have updated news and notes (11:40) ... One Question for Each Game (17:05)! Start DeVonta Smith? Drake London? Jordan Addison? Terry McLaurin? Kirk Cousins? We also help you Beat the Waiver Wire (24:15)! ... Start or Sit for Dolphins-Eagles (30:23), Cardinals-Seahawks (36:15), Falcons-Bucs (42:40), 49ers-Vikings (54:45) and Commanders-Giants (1:05:00) ... Email us at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179 SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1 Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @ctowerscbs Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Get 20% off Fantasy Football Today merch: https://store.cbssports.com/collections/fantasy-football-today%20?utm_source=podcast-apple-com&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=buy-our-merch&utm_content=fantasy-football-collection Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath.
What's up, everybody?
Happy Friday.
What a great start to the week.
An exciting game, and a pretty good game for fantasy as well.
Alvin Kamara just caught another pass, and we're going to talk about that to to the week. An exciting game and a pretty good game for fantasy as well.
Alvin Kamara just caught another pass.
We're going to talk about that to start the show.
And then we only have five games to talk about today.
Five NFC home games.
And they are Dolphins-Eagles, Cardinals-Seahawks, Falcons-Bucks, Niners-Vikings on Monday night.
And Washington is at the Giants.
Good morning.
Dave Richard is here.
Jamie Eisenberg is here.
And your host today is a bad friend.
Bad friend.
I wouldn't say I forgot about Jamie's birthday.
I would say I didn't know about Jamie's birthday.
But I am sorry, Jamie.
Happy belated birthday.
I will try to make it up to you somehow.
Thank you, Adam.
I appreciate that.
Okay.
Good game last night? I know. I know. I feel bad. I appreciate that. Okay. Good game last night.
I know.
I know.
I feel bad.
I even got trash talk that HQ was just like nothing but bad things.
Schneier is going to kill me today on the mailbag.
But don't worry.
We have like five things that we're going to kill Schneier for in the mailbag today,
including his upcoming Halloween costume.
Good game, right? I can say that was a good game last night.
It was a good ending.
The game. The first half was awful. game last night. It was a good ending.
The first half was awful.
God, awful.
The ending was good.
I had a buddy text me.
He's like, hey, at least you're getting a good game for your birthday.
I'm like, am I?
It was a good finish, though.
I feel terrible for Adam Troutman.
So terrible.
Foster Morrow.
Foster Morrow, yeah, so bad for him. I mean, that guy,
if anybody deserved a moment, like he could have had, uh, you know, coming back from,
from, from cancer diagnosis and, uh, being a, a New Orleans guy, an LSU guy that, that was like,
it was just set up such a beautiful situation. I felt awful for him.
Yeah. I think we have, we all did. That was really tough.
Dropped the potentially game-tying.
Well, they were going to make it a one-point game,
then they could decide what they were going to do.
Probably tie the game.
Touchdown on third and goal, and then on fourth and goal.
Just a play that had no chance to throw to Chris Olave.
But Trevor Lawrence actually was good.
20 fantasy points, 20.1 fantasy points.
Dave, start with the Jaguars. What were your takeaways?
They were really good, except for that
Calvin Ridley guy who had one catch for five yards.
And I watched
the snaps from Ridley from last night's
game, and the Saints did everything they could to
try and take him away. Safety over the top
on obvious passing downs.
And Trevor Lawrence was getting rid of the ball
really quickly. So
a lot of the routes that Ridley
was running weren't conducive to what
Lawrence was trying to get done. I don't think his pass protection was particularly good.
Uh, I thought that Ridley looked fine and he, there were a handful of plays where he was wide
open and Lawrence just went in a different direction, but honestly, there were more plays
where he was like covered. And then there was a safety near him and the saints just did a
good job of taking him away and forcing lawrence to go in a different direction with the football
that that's it it wasn't latimore shadowing him no uh you know paulson adibo did a great job
covering ridley so that was frustrating but christian kirk more than made up for it loved
what i saw in that 44 yard catch and run touchdown. That was amazing. Evan Ingram
still hasn't scored still just a PPR only tight end that you can feel good about. And ETN, nothing
more you can say about him. Must start guy. And how about Lawrence bad knee brace on his knee
runs for 59 yards. And that's what helped him get to 20 fantasy points. That was pretty surprising.
Yeah.
And what I said about Ridley,
I don't know if you guys agree or disagree with this.
I said on FFT and five last night is I might think my default now for Ridley
is to sit him.
Whereas,
you know,
I start the week Ridley's going to start for me.
And if there's a reason to sit him,
I'll sit him at this point.
If there's a reason to start him,
I'll start him.
But we've seen,
if he faces good cornerbacks, he's going to
lose. The Chiefs,
the Falcons, now the Saints,
am I forgetting one?
He's going to lose those matchups.
And look who's coming up.
Well, Pittsburgh thinks they can't cover anyone.
So that's a good matchup.
Then the bye, and then the 49ers.
Yeah, I mean, they're not interesting. They're not that great. That could Then the buy and then the 49ers. Yeah.
I mean,
they're,
they're not interesting.
They're not that great for him and tougher for Lawrence,
Tennessee.
That's going to be easy at Houston.
We've seen the Texans do a pretty good job.
Yeah.
That's not easy.
Cincinnati.
Tough.
Easy.
Cleveland.
Real tough.
Baltimore.
Tough.
Tampa Bay.
Easy.
Is he a sell for whatever you can get?
Jamie, what do you think?
It's not a bad move, but I mean,
I think it's going to be cool.
Happy birthday to you.
Happy birthday to you.
Happy birthday, dear Jamie.
You shouldn't have wished me happy birthday earlier.
This would have been a funnier setup.
You wanted to set it up, right?
Happy birthday to you.
Did I make up for it yet?
No.
All right.
Kevin Ridley.
Yeah, you could sell him, but again, I don't know what people are buying him at this point
because you kind of see what you're getting.
Yeah.
All right.
Well, it's a shame.
Maybe matchup dependent.
We'll see.
On the other side of the ball.
And what a great call by Heath preseason.
He got away from it.
He switched at the end, didn't he?
He might have.
He kind of resigned to it.
Yeah.
Derek Carr almost had about 25 fantasy points,
26 fantasy points.
Derek,
actually,
I was reading this morning.
He set a record in this game for profanity.
He was a potty mouth and he was very angry and he was yelling the entire time.
He's actually watching the post game show was pretty good.
And they're thinking,
uh,
he,
apparently he was screaming at,
you know,
clearly at his offensive coordinator.
I think Tony Gonzalez was saying like,
he could kind of deny it last week, but he's angry
on the sideline, wondering if they're going to be
play call. He was yelling at Olave for stopping
on the one route. Yeah.
And this guy and that guy.
He was in a bad mood yesterday.
Somebody had forgotten his birthday.
He said, I got to get my emotions checked.
And how about his ADOT? The first three
quarters, it was, what did I tell you it was, Adam?
4.3 yards? Yeah. Something like that.
Really scared of that offensive line.
You know, his offensive line was a mess.
They had a bunch of backups in and it was not great, but they held up well enough.
Certainly in the fourth quarter, his eight out in the fourth quarter, nine yards.
He finally started to attack and Oh, lo and behold, his numbers popped.
Saints offense looked good.
It was a little frustrating that it took him that long to realize that he could throw down field against the jaguars i i think also uh i
saw one of the saints beat writers tweet this or exit whatever you call it um that uh they got to
stop with the end zone fades it's just it's yeah unbelievable like it's like their go-to play every
time they're in a tough spot it happened last week too in the loss against houston's like their go-to play every time they're in a tough spot. It happened last week too in the loss against Houston. It's like they just throw these fade routes all the time and it's not working at all.
Yeah.
I don't think that – I mean that play hasn't worked since like the 90s I feel.
But okay, Kamara with 12 catches.
And –
If you were to say, by the way, he had 12 for 91, you would have said, wow, what a great rushing game.
I know.
It's true. Jaguars run defense is pretty tough. 31 touches? Is way, he had 12 for 91, you would have said, wow, what a great rushing game. I know. It's true.
The Jaguars run defense is pretty tough.
31 touches?
Is that what he had?
29 touches?
29 touches.
29 touches.
31 PPR points.
I'm going to ask you what Chris asked me yesterday.
Alvin Kamara is a top blank running back rest of season.
Oh, he stays healthy.
Top three PPR.
Sure.
Wow.
Okay.
And he got some goal line work too, but he couldn't get in.
So then Taysom Hill had to clean up the dirty work.
That's a better question.
Taysom Hill is tight end blank rest of season.
What do you think?
I mean, this is two games in a row where he's been used as a receiver.
Still no Jawan Johnson.
I do love all the, all the, the,
the decision-making people had to make when they switched him to
quarterback only and other sites.
Now he's a great tight end.
Yeah,
I know.
Right.
What a mess.
Well,
what do you think?
Is he worth at least worth adding is about 42% Ross 49,
42%.
Oh,
John Johnson's out.
I'm starting.
No,
no hesitation at this point.
Sure.
Because look at what Derek Carr's doing.
He's throwing four yards downfield and that's where a lot of Hills routes are. Well, wait a second. That's not typical car. Sure, because look at what Derek Carr's doing. He's throwing four yards downfield,
and that's where a lot of Hill's routes are.
Well, wait a second.
That's not typical.
Carr actually, well, I think he was number, no,
he was number four, I think, in air yards for pass attempt. He was, and I think he had the most pass attempts
of 15-plus yards downfield.
Right, so that's not typical of him.
That was, like you said, both starting tackles being out.
But, okay, Hill's worth adding.
How about Olave?
Seven catches, 57 yards on 15 targets.
Good.
Is this an encouraging game, Jamie,
or a discouraging game for Olave?
It's discouraging, but you're not getting away from Olave.
You know, I mean, you expect 15 targets
to turn into a hell of a lot more for him,
especially against his defense.
So he's still a borderline number one wide receiver as he was being drafted.
Agreed.
Decent by low opportunity coming up.
Do you guys want to talk about Trevor Lawrence?
Is there anything to say here?
I mean,
I mentioned him.
The,
the,
the rushing is what saved him.
I expected more from Trevor Lawrence this season.
I wanted him to be just a dynamo at quarterback.
I thought he'd get there.
And really what we've seen is him struggle to put up huge numbers. And I, I kind of get it.
They're able to run the ball a lot better than I thought that they would, but Lawrence really
hasn't been able to, to break through as one of the top echelon quarterbacks in the league,
certainly for fantasy, but maybe not quite for the NFL either. And we just outlined the schedule. He's got some tough games coming up.
I think NFL wise, he's playing fantastic fantasy wise. He's not because he's had
the two games in London, uh, certainly the Buffalo game. He was unbelievable and, you know,
just didn't get the, he's not getting the second touchdown. That's kind of just what's missing at
this point. You know? So we have, we have a few of these guys, Derek Carr to his last three games. He's been good for fantasy, just not great because he's not getting the second touchdown that's kind of just what's missing at this point you know so we have we have a few of these guys derrick carr too his last three games
he's been good for fantasy just not great because he's been missing the second touchdown uh we said
about matthew stafford almost all season so i i think there's still a bylaw opportunity here for
trevor lawrence i know we probably sound silly for continuing to mention this but um his best
games have come when zay jones has been on the field because there's a field stretcher opens
things up and so maybe that's part of it too, too, is that they change some of their play calls and how things operate.
Their offensive line is banged up.
They have a lot of time over the next three weeks to get these guys healthy with one game in the next 21 days.
So if somebody's selling Trevor Lawrence, I'd be buying.
It doesn't help that they're 5-2.
Their defense is playing well. They had a pick six in this game. And that Travis Etienne is the first Jaguars running back in franchise history
to have three straight games with two touchdowns.
So that's just kind of killing Trevor Lawrence.
It is.
That's the difference to me.
Yeah.
All right.
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Let's go through the news and notes here. Uh, Christian McCaffrey and Debo Samuel,
they both missed practice. It was their first practice of the week. I don't really have
anything else to say. Are you guys optimistic about McCaffrey and Debo? More optimistic than I was Sunday and Monday. I mean, the fact that, you know, they're being
called day to day, you know, all the Twitter doctors are saying, you know, the fact that
he avoided a rib injury and it just seems like it's a muscle situation, which is clearly not
great for McCaffrey, but better than what we thought. So there's a chance he could play.
You know, it sucks that it's Monday and we have to, you know, sort of play the guessing game of
what to do with the Sunday
situations.
I,
I don't know.
I didn't see what,
um,
Mason's roster percentage got to,
I should probably look,
but if he's still available,
just at least to have somebody of this backfield,
it's not a bad move to make if he's still out there.
Yeah.
He's 80,
80% plus.
Okay.
So then,
you know,
look,
maybe a lot of that is McCaffrey managers,
but,
um,
be prepared for them not to play at this point.
I struggled with this, and I should have probably trusted my gut,
which was in the FFT Open League, I have Romeo Dobbs, Calvin Ridley, and Debo.
And I was like, you know, I'm just going to bench Ridley.
And just if Debo plays, I'll play him.
If not, I'll just go with Dobbs.
And I was like, no, I'll just keep Ridley in there.
Idiot.
All right. Jimmy Garoppolo
is out. Deshaun Watson practiced.
Still not clear if he will be the quarterback
this week. How much
would your Amari Cooper ranking
at the Colts change if
Watson plays compared to P.J. Walker?
Significantly.
Cooper was pretty good last week
even with P.J. Walker. He had that big catch
eight targets, four grabs over a hundred yards, but that's the best matchup when you're playing
the Colts is outside receiver against those corners. So if Deshaun Watson plays, I think
Cooper could probably qualify as a low end wide receiver one this week. Yeah. I still wouldn't be
so, uh, all in like that just because it's clear Watson is dealing
with some level of pain and discomfort in his shoulder. And so how much success will he have?
And I didn't think Cooper played particularly well last week. He had one big play.
Who's better, PJ Walker or Deshaun Watson?
Oh, Cooper definitely improves, but not to the level where you have him,
for me,
at least I think he's still just barely a top 20 receiver.
I don't know,
man.
There's so many receivers missing this week.
I kind of get excited about anybody that's got a glimmer of 20 PPR points.
And I think he's got that even with Watson,
not at all.
So I mentioned Garoppolo out,
but I didn't mention that.
We don't know if it's going to be Aiden O'Connell or Brian Hoyer at
quarterback for the Raiders.
So stay tuned. It'd be surprising
if it's O'Connell, right?
I'll see if I can get an answer for that.
I thought Hoyer was pretty good
actually, and O'Connell was
certainly not. Well, especially after
what McDaniel said following
the loss with O'Connell and just
throwing him under the bus.
I don't remember. What did he say?
Our quarterback has to do a better job
of protecting the football like i mean he put him in such a bad spot for a rookie come on man for
his guy making his first start come on right uh justin fields not gonna play daniel jones is
practicing but still not cleared for contact so we're expecting to rod taylor there rashaun johnson
mispractice again he's still in the concussion protocol uh zach charbonnet mispractice which
is not a huge deal but it's more snaps, maybe a couple more catches.
Who knows for Ken Walker.
Devontae Smith says he's going to play.
Don't worry about him.
He's going to play.
TJ Watt mispracticed with a heel injury.
Pat Friermuth was limited after practicing in full on Wednesday.
Hunter Henry mispracticed again.
Aaron Jones was still limited.
Looks like he's going to play.
Philadelphia got some very good news. Start with
Lane Johnson limited in practice.
That'd be something if he could play. I thought he'd be out.
That dude's a beast.
Yeah. Their safety
Reed Blankenship and cornerback Bradley
Roby both missed practice,
but defensive tackle Jalen Carter
was limited. Cornerback Darius
Slay and safety Sidney Brown,
they practiced in full.
So I think a pretty encouraging practice report
for the Eagles.
And on the other side of the ball,
Xavier Howard, Miami's top cornerback,
he is questionable.
He may not play in that Sunday night game.
Greg Dulcich missed practice for the Broncos
and Terrace Marshall has been given permission
to seek a trade. All right. Good luck, Terrace Marshall has been given permission to seek a trade.
All right.
Good luck, Terrace Marshall.
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starting with that big one on Sunday night, Miami at Philadelphia.
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Welcome back, everybody. One
question for each game. Only five games on
the slate today. Miami and Philadelphia.
Question here is,
start everyone?
Yes.
Is there anyone you're getting nervous about?
Um,
Goddard's most,
or I mean,
look,
Smith obviously has been frustrating.
So,
you know,
the hope is that no Howard,
you know,
squeaky wheel at some point coming,
coming up here.
I haven't really heard anything about that,
but,
uh,
he's due.
So,
but no, given that as Dave alluded to,
with all the teams on the bye injuries,
it's very difficult to get away from him.
Jeff Wilson.
That's who I'm nervous about.
Are we expecting him to play?
I think you have to at this point, right?
I think about it.
Brooks got hurt,
and so Wilson can take that spot,
but I don't think he'll do well,
and I don't think he'll play much. All right. It's been long enough. I should probably play the music, right? Jamie Eisenberg Happy birthday to you
Alright
Arizona is at Seattle
Rank the wide receivers
in this game. The Seahawks give up the most
fantasy points to wide receivers
Rank the wide receivers Dave Richard in Arizona
at Seattle
Let's go with Metcalf first
Lockett
Nah I think I might have Marquisealf first. Lockett.
No,
I think I might have Marquise Brown ahead of Lockett.
I'll double check that,
but they're going to be neck and neck. And then I've got this gut feeling that JSN shows up this week.
Yeah,
he is season high and like everything last week in terms of participation.
Yeah.
And here comes the defense that plays a lot of zone coverage.
So that underneath should be open.
He can get open there.
That's where he's supposed to, that's where he's supposed to make an impact for Seattle.
And just another gut feeling,
I think the Seahawks want to get their passing game going.
Geno's been bad.
This is a good matchup for them to let Geno try and put up some numbers.
As you said, Metcalf, Brown, Lockett, or Metcalf, Lockett, Brown?
I've got Metcalf, Brown, Lockett, or Metcalf, Lockett, Brown? I've got Metcalf, Brown, Lockett.
Okay.
Atlanta's at Tampa Bay.
Jamie, rank the wide receivers.
Mike Evans, Drake London, Chris Godwin.
Okay.
You have faith in those guys?
Because Evans has one game with more than 65 yards.
Godwin's two good games in a row.
London is two big, big games in a row.
Do you have faith in these guys?
Are they good starts?
Evans is a must start.
London is a good number two receiver.
And Godwin's a borderline number two, number three receiver.
Yeah, I think PPR matters
for Godwin. I'm not as excited in non-PPR.
All right.
San Francisco at Minnesota.
Do you like, does anybody like the
Minnesota passing game in this
matchup? There's Jordan
Addison and TJ Hawkinson.
Hawkinson's Hawkinson.
We don't need to make any decisions. Or is this a Kirk Cousins
question? It's a Cousins-Addison.
Look, it wasn't exactly a great game for Addison.
He had four targets.
He had a touchdown.
It wasn't a great game for the Vikings passing game last week
because they didn't do a lot of it.
And I think it's going to be difficult for them,
but I think they're going to need to throw against the 49ers.
I think the Niners' offense bounces back.
And I think Cousins will be okay.
I think he'll
kind of the same range as what we got from Lawrence and Derek Carr on Thursday.
It's just a shame. You look at this matchup on paper and at the beginning of the season,
this is going to be a nice high scoring game. But if there's no Debo, if there's no McCaffrey,
if cousins plays the way he played last week, which wasn't bad, but their longest completion was 21 yards.
He just didn't really have a lot of help.
I mean, this has Costanza potential here.
This has bus potential, I think.
Do you agree with that, Jamie?
Niners, Vikings?
For sure.
Absolutely.
I mean, you're taking away two studs from San Francisco, most likely, and you're asking Brock Purdy to have to have success without those guys on the field.
He still can when you have Kittle and Ayuk,
and they'll get something out of their run game.
But, yeah, I'm nervous about Minnesota, clearly.
Madison is a number two running back by default this week
because of all the guys we're missing,
but I don't think he's going to have a great game.
And then you look at Cousins,
and it feels like it's not going to be
great without Jefferson, especially taking on a tough defense. I've got pretty one spot higher
than cousins. Yeah. I would start pretty over cousins. Is that crazy? No. Okay. All right.
Is that Matt? Just 12, by the way. But do Debo and McCaffrey matter in that? Oh, I mean,
if they come back, then pretty is going to be better than than Goff. I'd probably say he's better than Sam
Howell. So he'd move up if
we knew that those guys were going to play.
All right. Washington at the Giants. I think this is a
Kittle game. I think they go to George Kittle in a big
way. I'm not going to play game of the week
for Giants-Washington, but I do feel like we're
going to get a good game here. A Washington
win, but a good game. Start or
sit, Terry McLaurin. I have some terrific
Terry McLaurin stats. If you don't already have them, but start or sit Terry McLaurin a good game. Start or sit, Terry McLaurin. I have some terrific Terry McLaurin stats.
If you don't already have them, but start or sit
Terry McLaurin in this game.
Five straight games with 13 or more PPR points
against the Giants. He's got
three touchdowns over that span, 300
yard games over that span. I think
four games with six more catches over that span.
This probably extends longer than that. I just did the last five.
It is. It's every game of his career. Seven
games against the Giants, 70 or more yards in all of those games,
and averaging 19 PPR fantasy points against the Giants in his career.
And guess who has the second highest target per route run rate
when Sam Howell is pressured?
Antonio Gibson.
He's tied with Brian Robinson.
McLaurin has twice as good of a target share
when he's pressured,
and I think he's going to get pressured a lot.
24% target per route run rate for McLaurin
when Howell is pressured.
He is a low-end wide receiver, too, for me this week.
Yeah, he's a high-end wide receiver, too, for me.
I think it's going to be a huge game for him,
and his best games this season have been on the road.
All three of his good games this year have come on the road.
Not sure I agree with you on the pressure thing, though, necessarily.
I know the Giants are going to blitz a lot, but they, well, they're 16th in pressure rate.
I guess they could be.
I thought they were worse than that.
I mean, I don't think the commander's offensive line is a fortress that's going to make it easy for Howell to drop back and find guys.
All right.
Well, part of it is Howell holds the ball forever.
He does that.
He does that.
And he doesn't have great timing with his receivers.
He doesn't throw with anticipation.
He's got to see his wide receiver open before he fires.
And then he doesn't keep his eyes downfield when he runs around
when he is pressured.
So, honestly, you got lucky with him last week.
Given the way that the game went,
the fact that he had three possessions start at midfield or better.
I think he got lucky,
but I still think he's got potential to get you maybe slightly better than
20 fantasy points because it's the Giants.
Well, I started him over Trevor Lawrence who got 20 fantasy points.
So let's hope Al gets there.
All right.
We got a lot of belated birthday wishes in the chat.
So Jamie, you are welcome. Thank you. Even though they're all spelling your name wrong, J-A-M-E-Y. Let's get that right. We got a lot of belated birthday wishes in the chat. So, Jamie, you are welcome.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Even though they're all spelling your name wrong, J-A-M-E-Y.
Let's get that right.
Let's beat the waiver wire for next week.
I have a bunch of names here, but there's one name.
It's a DST that's on a buy, and it's the Jets, and they're at the Giants next week,
which is a pretty long trip for them, but they should be okay.
But if you want to stash a DST,
Jets at Giants looks pretty good to me.
They're 66% rostered.
Might be a one-week DST, though.
I mean, they're playing great, so maybe not,
but after the Giants, it's the Chargers,
the Raiders, the Bills, the Dolphins.
So not a lot of awesome matchup
where you'll feel great starting the Jets.
I wouldn't have a problem starting against the Chargers,
depending on what happens this week, and then definitely against the Raiders.
Yeah.
Raiders is a good matchup.
Chargers are a little, they could be a little turnover prone sometimes.
They'll probably turn it over on downs a couple times.
We know that.
There are some DSTs you could look for, so I won't even mention them.
There's plenty.
Kyler Murray, obviously, is someone that you want to be stashing right now.
I still think Deontay Foreman at 66% roster,
it's pretty interesting.
He's a starter this week.
I know.
It's weird.
That's not a beat the waiver wire.
That's a pick him up and play him this week.
Well, what if Johnson comes back?
At this point, not clearing the protocol
doesn't seem likely heading into Friday.
Oh, he's not going to play.
I'd be shocked if Roshan played this week.
He hasn't practiced this week.
Right.
And so are you asking about next week? Well, yes, sure. Yes. They're going to, my hunch is that they'll split work and then there won't be one guy that you'll feel really good about. You'll lean toward Roshan, but he'd be at best a low end running back. Remember next week, no buys everybody's in. That's cool. So a lot of running backs that are pushed up this week will get pushed back down next week.
Sure, but still no Khalil Herbert.
So if Foreman stinks, they'll throw Rush on in there.
Jahan Dotson is, if you want to take a shot, 56% rostered,
but you might want to take a shot on JSN, 53% rostered.
You might start taking shots if you get Jahan Dotson
and then start him because he's been so bad.
You took a shot every time Jahan Dotson had a catch last week.
You would have been perfectly fine.
He had a bad drop.
He had one target.
Brandon Cooks and Michael Gallup.
If you're going to pick up one,
you guys are going to say Cooks, aren't you?
I would say Cooks, but there's no reason to get either one
unless it's for a bi-week replacement down the road.
Well, I think Gallup is actually, he dropped a touchdown and was missed on a touchdown last
week and he had 10 targets. He's actually getting a pretty decent amount of targets or at least
target share. I would be saying pick him up. I just, he hasn't really done anything with the
targets. I wonder though, if, you know, Cooks maybe turned the corner, he had a little bit of
knee injury that he was dealing with, missed the game, and now finally healthy, coming off.
I don't want to say a great game, but a productive game for him.
I still think there's more upside with him than there is with Gallup.
Yes, and I wonder if the Cowboys think the exact same thing,
and that leads to more work for Cooks.
Josh Downs is 45% rostered, guys.
Thoughts, Josh Downs?
PPR, he should be on any roster.
Yeah, man, pick him up.
Elijah Moore I have on here
just because if you look at the games
with Deshaun Watson,
it's a lot of targets for Elijah Moore.
So, I don't know.
And then what do you think about
McColl Hardman, 14% rostered?
Deeper leagues, not a bad option.
I mean, look, we don't know what's going to happen there with him,
even this week.
I don't know if he's going to play or not,
but he's certainly somebody that doesn't have to learn anything.
He knows the system.
He knows the coach.
He knows the quarterback.
And they have a need,
especially if Justin Watson is going to be out or on IR.
So, yeah.
I think he's going to work special teams for sure.
They've already talked about that.
It's a matter of time before you start seeing him on the field when the Chiefs have first
and goal.
And that's where he succeeded last year.
So you almost view him in the same vein as like a, like a short yardage goal line running
back who might get you six points in a week.
He might get you only two, but he gets to work down there.
He was successful there last year.
I'm almost positive he'll be there again this year.
And by the way, I should mention no teams are on by next week.
So you don't have to beat the way.
Good job.
Thank you for mentioning that.
Did you mention that?
No, no, no.
Sorry.
I just, it just carries more weight if it comes from me.
So I just figured I should mention that.
No teams run by.
Do you want to know who the Raiders quarterback
is going to be this week?
Yes.
Go ask Josh McDaniels,
because he's not telling anybody yet.
And I didn't know if you had any other
beat-the-waiver-wire guys.
I think Jonu Smith, if you're struggling at tight end,
is under-rostered at 31%.
Agreed.
He's just involved,
and they're actually throwing the ball kind of a lot,
which is nice.
Definitely check.
If anybody dropped Dalton Schultz,
he was at 70% rostered.
So he might be in our threshold that we typically talk about.
He's been great the last few weeks.
CJ Stroud might've been dropped because people making roster moves,
you know,
I would go back to Carolina after the buy tank Dell may have been dropped
because of his injury situation.
You know,
he's been very good.
Yeah.
So keep an eye on those types of things.
You know,
we,
we look, we look more at, you know, some of the 12-team leagues, but in 10-team leagues
or shallow, you may see some people dropping players that are pretty relevant.
Yeah.
You've got this big group of receivers.
This will be the end of this segment.
You've got this big group of receivers who might be available in shallower leagues or
maybe a 12-team league.
One of them might be there.
They're all right around 75% rostered in CBS sports leagues.
They are Josh Reynolds, Rishi Rice, Tank Dell, Josh Palmer, and KJ Osborne.
Is Tank Dell the best of that bunch? Reynolds, Rice. Him or Rice. I think, again, if you don't need to play anybody, I would probably speculate on Rice.
And another guy who's definitely in this range is Wanda Robinson. He's not rostered
anywhere close to this and coming off eight for 62. Yeah. It's not bad to see if he could build
off it. I'd also take a look at Josh Palmer if he's there, just because we know that his role
is locked in with the chargers. Hasn't been exciting. 10 PPR points, I think in each of his
first two games since Mike Williams went down, but he's not leaving the field and he's still
going to get some targets.
So I wouldn't sleep on him either,
but the other receivers are more fun tank.
And then rice.
Let's go to the games.
Miami is at Philadelphia stat of the game.
According to common.com,
which is a good enough source for me for this one.
Philadelphia was the first city was no Philadelphia was host to America's first birthday.
I didn't forget about that one, Jamie.
Nice job.
Yeah.
Got any music for that?
Happy birthday to you.
Yeah.
Happy birthday, happy birthday, Jamie.
All right, stat of the game is stupid there,
so let's just talk about the game.
I can't wait until you get sued for copyright violation.
No, apparently I'm fine playing all of these.
It was approved.
So, anyway, no more music for a little while.
Sorry about that.
Okay.
Oh, yeah, right.
Yeah, no, definitely not going to happen.
Gosh, I have nothing planned for game of the week.
I just don't even know what to do.
I'm about to pick a different game.
Who would you start?
Give me the quarterbacks you'd start over Tua.
Josh Allen.
That's it.
Jalen Hurts.
Okay.
Mostert, you guys are super confident.
Jamie and Heath have Mostert as RB1.
Dave Haslam as RB5.
No concerns against this Eagles run defense?
I've got concerns.
That's why he's RB5.
I've got concerns as well,
but you're still talking about what...
Like, he's...
I think...
I don't want to say he's as safe as you could find
because probably Kamara, you could have said, is safer just knowing the way he's been playing.
But my goodness, man, like there's zero competition right now.
Even if Jeff Wilson plays, I don't think he's going to take him off the field for significant stretches.
And they're so creative and they're so successful.
Like even a bad game for him, I think it's still going to be top 10 range.
So the floor just feels very safe.
Now he could completely fall flat on his face.
If the Eagles run defense shows up,
but I still feel like this Dolphins offense is just not going to be stopped.
They may be slowed.
I don't think there'll be stopped.
And even look the 48 to 20 loss.
A chain's numbers were still great.
Yeah.
Okay.
And who do you think is going to win, by the way?
Eagles.
Yep.
So when you look at Waddle and Smith,
and Waddle's been, you know,
he's caught a touchdown in two straight games,
but obviously he hasn't been himself.
And Smith is struggling right now.
Are there other wide receivers, you know,
it's not going to be guys like Pittman, but I don't know.
Are there Puka Nakua?
In your mind, players that managers could have picked up off waivers
or drafted really late that you would consider starting over Waddle
or Smith this week?
Nakua qualifies.
Addison versus Devontae Smith is a tough call.
And in full PPR, I would go Pittman over Devante Smith.
Oh, I go as a flowers over, um, Smith.
I would go with, um, what about there's no Debo same.
No, I'm kidding.
Uh, Jacoby Myers is a good one.
Oh, Myers.
Yeah.
I like Myers of Garoppolo plays.
If there's no Garoppolo, then Garoppolo's already been rolled out.
He's out, and there are no teams on by next week.
These are well-established things on today's show.
Was it my birthday yesterday?
It was.
It was.
There might be more music.
I don't know.
Okay, but Jalen Waddell, like not even considering sitting him?
Jalen Waddell?
No, he's top 10 receiver this week.
Okay. That's way too high.
I have him 12th.
DeAndre Swift is top 10. This game's easy.
I don't want to waste time on it.
Dallas Goddard, would you
start
Sam Laporta over Dallas Goddard?
Yep.
Would I start Sam Laporta over Dallas Goddard. Yep. But I start Sam Laporta over Dallas Goddard.
Uh, yeah, but they're close.
Anyone else?
Johnnie Smith, Kyle Pitts.
Over Goddard?
Pitts, yes.
Johnnie, no.
Look, if the Dolphins are going to put up points,
then I think you're going to see the receivers be a lot more involved
than they were before, and that's going to hurt Goddard, who think you're going to see the receivers be a lot more involved than they were before.
And that's going to hurt Goddard, who's been used a little bit further downfield lately, but I'm not sure if he's going to have a scary deal on him.
Yeah.
The Eagles and the Dolphins.
Start your Eagles and your Dolphins, people.
Except for Jeff Wilson.
But not Jeff Wilson.
Yeah, this wasn't my best one.
I kind of set you up on that one.
Like, I knew in my head that you needed an out
to play the music because you didn't have anything planned.
Oh, thank you, Dave.
So I went on on Goddard.
Goddard's top ten, but you're almost starting him
because you're hoping he scores and catches five passes.
Yeah, just of the guys Dave mentioned,
I'd still start him over Pitts.
Yeah, this show is going to be a musical.
This is a Broadway episode of fantasy football today.
DSTs, Eagles DST, any interest?
Low-end starter at best, but if you can get away from it, get away from it.
All right.
Would you cut them to start like the Raiders DST or the another
Packers DST? The only
ones I would consider this week, just based
on the ones who are available. Browns
were available. That's an easy one.
That's easy.
If you're stuck and you need a win this week, I would
have gone with the Commanders or the Seahawks
just based on their matchups.
But otherwise, I would just kind of ride it out with the Eagles.
Right. It's kind of a pain in of ride it out with the Eagles. Right.
It's kind of a pain in the butt if you cut the Eagles and somebody else gets them.
It's a really good DST.
I'd hate to let them go just for this one game.
They have the Commanders next week.
They haven't been that good this year, though,
because they've been really shredded in the air.
But they are starting to get their pass rush back.
14 sacks in the last three games.
I'm still a believer in them.
All right.
That's it for the Eagles and the Dolphins.
And super excited for that one.
Arizona's at Seattle.
A little less excited for this one.
Stat of the game.
Josh Dobbs is 0 for 10 on throws of 30 or more air yards.
Which, by the way, is kind of a lot of throws.
He likes to throw the ball deep.
But he is really bad at it.
And if you saw it last week, he missed Marquise Brown on two deep balls
that could have been huge plays.
So that's hurting Marquise Brown.
At the same time, Seattle allows the most fantasy points to wide receivers,
as I mentioned earlier.
So we'll see how that one plays out here.
Is there basically one starter for the Cardinals, Jamie,
when you look at them?
Is it just Marquise Brown?
Oh, without a doubt, yes.
You can't trust the running backs.
You can't trust
Dobbs. You can't trust Ertz because it seems
as if Trey McBride is starting to become a thing.
And so, at this
point, yeah, it's Marquise Brown or Bust. Maybe if you
want to take a shot in deeper leagues with
the six teams on a buy on Michael Wilson and hope,
you know, chasing points, how the secondary
has looked, you know, that's not a bad
desperation play. Certainly in DFS, he's a great option.
But I think at this point, though,
the only one you could trust is Marquise Brown.
He's getting 10 targets per game on a weekly basis.
They're going to be chasing points here.
So it's a good setup for Marquise Brown.
Marquise Brown or Devontae Smith?
Brown.
I have Smith over Brown. I have Smith over Brown.
Marquise Brown or...
Ayuk.
Ayuk's almost top five.
Yeah.
Marquise Brown or, well, I already asked you guys.
Well, Dave ranked Metcalf, Brown, Lockett.
So let me give it to you running back.
Marquise Brown or Alexander Madison?
Brown.
Brown.
Okay.
I'm just going to, I want to call a shot here.
Devontae Smith, 100 yards and at least one touchdown.
I like it.
I understand.
Yeah.
I understand why people hate it.
You know, I'm ranking him based a little
bit more on the fact that he hasn't been amazing yeah like if i really thought he was going to get
100 yards in a touchdown he'd be top 10 obviously and look if if howard's out without ramsey back
yet then that will change my opinion of smith yeah that kind of was was a part of it um but i just
man i just think it's just going to be up and down. So excited for that game.
Can I mention one other thing about that game?
Ten targets, three straight games.
Yeah.
Vic Fangio worked with the Eagles defense last year.
He was a consultant for them.
And now he's on the Dolphins.
He's the Dolphins defensive coordinator.
Right.
So I can't help but think that he'll have some intel.
I know he said this week that he probably hurt the Dolphins more than help,
but I think he was being modest.
We've seen it time and time again when a former
defensive coach plays their
former team the year after, they
do really well.
That's good for the Dolphins,
by the way. I know we're talking about the Eagles receivers,
but that's good for the Dolphins. Yeah, I'll get back
to the Cardinals game. Keontae
Ingram is actually rostered in fewer leagues
than Amari DiMarcato right now.
He had 10 carries.
Damian Williams had 8 carries.
The Seahawks run defense,
in terms of yards per carry allowed to running backs,
the Seahawks are the best in the NFL.
They allow 2.68 yards per carry to running backs.
They face the Rams.
They face Montgomery and Gibbs.
They face Miles Sanders.
They face Matt Breida.
They face Joe Mixon.
Whatever.
You're going to sit the Cardinals running backs.
But if it's six teams on a bye and you're desperate here
and you had to start one,
would it be Ingram or DiMercato or Williams?
It's Ingram, and you're expecting five fantasy points.
Yeah, I had a bad bye week situation in the Dynasty League,
and so I'm starting Damian Williams.
But it's just because we have to start three running backs,
and I just need some semblance of a couple points.
If you're in a deep league and you want to stash a tight end,
Trey McBride is 6% rostered
and hopefully he continues to play. Yes, please trade Zach Ertz.
Get him to a contender. Let's see if he can
compete before his time is up in the NFL.
And at this
point, what are you doing? Play younger guys.
They did last week. I mean, Ertz
played his lowest snap share of the season, 46%.
Alright, we talked about Purdy and Cousins a little bit earlier today.
Do you have them ahead or behind Geno Smith?
Ahead.
Right now I have Purdy.
Would you say it was Geno, Purdy, and Zillow?
Purdy, Cousins.
Kirk, Cousins.
Oh, Geno over Cousins and Purdy over Geno.
I've got Purdy, Kirk, Gino.
11, 12, 13 in the ranks.
The Cardinals give up the fifth most points to quarterbacks.
Gino Smith, I talked about him not throwing the deep ball last week.
Season high, 8.5 intended air yards per pass attempt.
That's a good sign.
Just, he's kind of, it's like, it's just like Trevor Lawrence, man.
It's Ken Walker stealing all the fun with all those goal line touchdowns.
So hopefully a little bit different luck.
And I'd like for him to throw touchdowns to Ken Walker,
and everybody wins except for Metcalf and Lockett.
Start Ken Walker and Metcalf and Lockett.
Yeah, they're number two.
I think the one thing, you know, Dave mentioned this earlier about JSN.
I wonder how much of his production came last week when Metcalf left due to injury.
I tried to solve that.
I tried to figure that out.
So when Metcalf was on the field, Metcalf ran 39 routes.
Lockett ran 31, and JSN ran 30.
So, Dave, that's good right for jsn if you want to look this up
i think and i read i read this somewhere that with charles cross back they were able to run
three receiver sets more often and get right because they didn't have to use a block yes i
think that was actually a big development for them but they've been in two tight end sets
a lot this year uh very rarely in three receiver sets.
That might have been something that changed last week.
So I actually thought the same thing, Jamie.
I actually don't think that that was the case.
I think JSN just legitimately got more playing time,
probably helped a little bit by the Metcalf brief absence.
But I think the Seahawks might be trending more
to a three receiver look type of team
if they can stay healthy at offensive tackle.
So, look, you can't start JSN, but you can stash them for sure.
And the Seattle tight ends, we're going to sit.
And the Seattle DST, would you start them over the Eagles?
Yes, for sure.
All right.
Atlanta's at Tampa Bay.
Stat of the game.
We can look at the Falcons' tight ends versus the Buccaneers.
The Buccaneers have been pretty good against tight ends.
Technically, they're 13th, which doesn't really jump off the page.
But TJ Hawkinson, 35 yards.
Cole Komet, 38.
Dallas Goddard, 41.
Sam Laporta, 36 yards on 11 targets.
None of those guys caught a touchdown.
So the Bucs have been good against tight ends.
But Jonu Smith, I mean, Pitts has
two good games in a row. Jonu Smith
in his last five games,
he's the number eight tight end.
Number seven in PPR, number
eight in half PPR. He has the ninth
most targets amongst tight ends. He has the fifth
most catches. Jonu Smith in his last
five games has the fourth most yards among
tight ends. So these
guys are super involved. Jamie, are they
both starters this week? Pitts
and Johnnie?
Pitts for sure. And then Johnnie's on
the cusp of a starting tight end.
But his production has certainly
suggested that you should be starting him. It just depends
on how much you want to buy into
the Luke Musgraves and
the Michael Mayers of the world on top of going back to Pat Fryer.
So given the matchup, you can make cases for those other guys.
But I think if you've just been starting Johnny Smith, you stick with Johnny Smith and hope it's another 10 to 11 PPR point day.
And that's kind of been the nice thing for Desmond Ritter.
He's been supporting multiple guys, which is not something that we would have thought at the beginning of the season.
He's consistently been a short area target,
and both Smith and Pitts have done well against zone coverage.
That's what the Bucs play a lot of.
I expect them to keep doing that.
It's why I'm encouraged with Pitts.
I've got Pitts top five this week in PPR.
And John, who's 10th?
I like them both.
All right, let's just hope Desmond Ritter can get it together on the road.
58 points.
Well, even if he can, he's still throwing it 35 times.
He is throwing a lot.
He averages 5.5 yards per attempt on the road in his career
to 7.3 yards per attempt at home in his career.
That's good for Janu.
That's not as good for Pitts.
We're going to start Bijan Robinson, obviously. Look, Tyler Algier, he gets 15 or so carries in any competitive game.
So if you are stuck at running back, it might be something.
It's not a heavy endorsement here, but you want some carry.
Like, I think I would start him over Keontae Ingram.
I was about to say, who's the better start between those two?
Yeah.
So I think most of this game should be spent on the wide receivers here.
You can make a case that Algiers is better than Rashad White.
All right.
You know what?
Before we go to the wide receivers.
I wouldn't buy it.
I'd rather start White, but Algiers is at least ahead of Keontae Ingram.
Let's go to Rashad White here because the Falcons give up the third fewest points to running backs,
third fewest receiving yards per game to running backs.
White usually gets three-ish catches per game.
But how do you feel about him, Jamie, Rashad White?
Sit him.
I mean, there's no reason to start him at this point.
And that's saying something with six teams on a bye and the injuries.
He's just not producing.
And you're seeing Keyshawn Vaughn get more work than we thought,
you know,
Sean Tucker may creep up and pop up again.
Um,
it's,
it's their,
their run game sucks.
And the fact that he's not more involved in the past game sucks. You know,
that was for me was,
was what I was hoping for was that even if he couldn't get going on the
ground based on their,
their personnel and
and their their backfield there wasn't a pass catcher that was going to take him off the field
and that's still the case but baker's just not checking the ball down to the same level and that
was kind of his mo you know he did it in cleveland he certainly did it in carolina and he's just not
doing it to the same level in tampa bay that i was expecting so i would i would try and get away
from a shot but like you said the matchup's tough. His production has been terrible. And so even though he's still the leader of this backfield,
that doesn't mean he's a start for fantasy. At what point does the coaching staff move on
or at least lower his workload significantly? I mean, clearly if, if they went from Tucker,
who was the second guy prior to the bi-week to Keyshawn Vaughn, they're, they're trying a lot
of different things here, you know? So I would not rule out if they are still in the race
by the time the trade deadline gets here
that they're calling some teams to try and get a running back cheap.
I want to say something for Rashad White here.
I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a running back
who's had a tougher schedule than Rashad White.
Even the Bears, look, it depends what metric you want to use
because the Bears do give up the most fantasy points to running,
or up there.
But,
not the most points.
They give up a ton of points.
29th.
And he killed them.
But,
in terms of yards per carry,
allowed to running backs,
every team he has faced,
so far,
Rashad White,
is top 11 in that metric.
Including the Lions, who are second best, the Eagles, who in that metric, including the Lions who are second best,
the Eagles who are third best, the Saints who are sixth best, the Bears who are seventh best,
and then the Falcons are the easiest matchup in quotes, 12th best. There's not a single team that
at this point in the season is giving up more than 3.8 yards per carry to running backs. So
Rashad White has had a rough stretch in that regard and he's run the ball
very poorly. I don't know if it's the matchups or if it's him,
but it has done him no favors.
Yeah, no, you're, you're not wrong in that regard. But again, there,
there's not a lot of, okay,
he's doing this well at least in these tough matchups or he's saving himself
with his work in the passing game because of these
tough matchups that just hasn't been there,
which is again,
the frustrating part of this.
Like,
you know,
I thought when they had some injuries of the receiving core,
okay,
now we see a little bit more from Rashad white and,
and to Baker's credit,
look,
he's been throwing the ball down the field,
but I,
that was to me,
his,
his sort of,
you know,
safety,
safety net was okay.
If he can't run the ball,
like we saw last year,
at least the work in the past game will be there.
And it just hasn't been.
Upcoming matchups for him include Tennessee,
San Francisco.
You can't skip the next two and go to the really hard ones,
which are Buffalo and Houston.
Yeah.
I mean,
they're easier.
I mean,
technically the Buffalo matchup is a favorable matchup and it's on a short
week.
Statistically,
it's a favorable matchup.
Yeah.
I don't know how many people are going to feel good about starting Rashad
white anyway.
No,
I know it's tough.
He's just had a tough schedule,
but all right.
It's coming up for him still.
Would you guys start right now?
You said if they're still in the race,
they're currently in first place in the NFC South.
Even if they lose,
they'll be,
well,
Atlanta would be in first place.
This is a game for first place.
Let me give you some sort of...
Is this the landing spot for Derrick Henry?
Maybe.
Let me give you some sort of low-end options at wide receiver.
Would you start any of these guys over Rashad White?
Yes.
Josh Downs?
Yes.
Yes.
In half PPR?
Yes.
Yeah, I think so.
Wandale Robinson? Yes. No, PPR? Yes. Yeah, I think so. Wandale Robinson.
Yes.
No, come on.
Yeah.
I like Robinson.
Harder in half PPR.
In no way in non-PPR.
But in full PPR, absolutely.
Curtis Samuel.
100%.
That's another yes.
Even in half PPR.
Rasheed Rice or Rashad Williams.
1 billion percent.
Rice, I think I'd say, yeah.
Even in half PPR, Rice over. Brandon Powell. ppr brandon powell no no no i was just joking about that one okay that was that's too far
at running back would you start would you start rashad White or Jalen Warren.
I like Warren better than Taylor, so Warren.
Warren and PPR.
I'll start the grab bag that is Zach Evans over Rashad Warren.
All right.
Yeah, for me, like the guys that we've talked about,
I would start White over the Cardinals.
Now you have my permission to talk about the wide receivers in this game.
Say it the right way, at least. Now you have my permission. Yeah, I don't know. to talk about the wide receivers in this game. Say it the right way.
At least now you have my permission.
Dude.
Yeah.
I don't know how to talk about the receivers,
but,
or I can do the Batman.
Now you have my permission to die.
Anyway,
uh,
the trigger,
where is the trigger?
That's such a horrible line.
The whole sequence is horrible.
Like the way they kill Bane is so horrible
and he's like no
I came back to stop you
one of the weakest comebacks
I think that's what he says
it's such a good movie
no I came back to stop you
he's like really
you're this genius
and you can't think of a better line than that
awful okay sorry the wide receivers in this game Jamie first word You're this genius, and you can't think of a better line than that?
Awful.
Okay, sorry.
The wide receivers in this game.
Jamie, first word.
We did this already.
No, I want to know how... These are tough calls.
We get a lot of Godwin questions.
We get a lot of London questions every week.
Evans...
Evans is a must-start receiver
based on how he's performed this year
when he's not playing the Saints.
Then I would go London.
You take away week one, which I'll just throw that out in general.
Four of his last five games, he's been fantastic.
And so London is a must-start receiver in PPR, borderline and none.
And he crushed this team in week 18 last year with Desmond Ritter.
Again, no pits in that game. But the stretch we saw in those week 18 last year with Desmond Ritter. Again, no pits in that game,
but the stretch we saw in those four games last year, he's basically back nine targets per game,
which is elite level status for a wide receiver. And then Godwin's third. But I think the thing
about Godwin, the way that he's been producing the last two weeks, one of those was when Evans got
hurt, is you buy into, that Baker's starting to lean
on him a little bit. So he's a high-end number three receiver, but borderline number two guy,
if you're just looking at the rankings. I have this decision to make myself,
and I am starting Godwin over Pittman. Yeah, we have a question, Godwin or Pittman.
If you have any questions about this game, love to hear them. Fire away in the chat.
Rashad White or Latavius Murray? didn't PPR Murray in nine and a half
Yep
Adam thinks Robert Pattinson is the best Batman
I don't think that
It's definitely Christian Bale
But the Batman with Robert Pattinson was really
A very good movie
Super dark don't watch it with your kids
It's not a comic book movie
It's a murder mystery
But a very very good Very good, uh, very good
movie. Um, all right. I'm not seeing any questions here, so I think we can, we can move on. Oh,
Zay Flowers or Mike Evans? Evans. Uh, Evans, but it's close. So then would you start Zay Flowers
over London and Godwin? Yes, without question. Okay. I would start London and I currently have
Godwin over Flowers and PPR. All right. Listen, uh, I give this stat every week. I would start London, and I currently have Godwin over Flowers in PPR.
All right, listen.
I give this stat every week.
I'll give it one more time,
and then we'll go to our next game.
It is now the last 10 games for the Bucs
going back to last year.
The Bucs have allowed 98 yards or a touchdown
to 18 wide receivers in their last 10 games,
and they've done that to multiple. They've allowed that to multiple wide receivers in their last 10 games. And they've done that to multiple,
they've allowed that to multiple wide receivers
in every game of this year,
except for the game where Derek Carr
should not have played
because he could not throw the football.
Last week it was,
it was Jamison Williams and Amonra St. Brown.
It's every freaking week,
it's two receivers having 98 yards
or a touchdown, or both.
Okay, that's it for that game.
We're gonna take a break here.
We got two games left when we come back,
San Francisco at Minnesota,
Washington at the giants.
And we'll be right back on fantasy football today.
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monday night stat of the game kirk cousins threw to his running backs a season high
25.8 of the time last week 25.8 of his throws went to running backs a season high 25.8 percent of the time last week 25.8 percent of his throws
went to running backs alexander madison had seven targets can't sit here and guarantee that's going
to happen again but you know obviously no jefferson different offense here so how much do you like
alexander madison this week guys dave i like him by default because there aren't a lot
of running backs that have a chance to get 10 not higher than 10 12 to 15 touches i hate the matchup
but he's fallen in as a low-end rb2 and you're hoping that the targets stick around and that
he gets a bunch of catches but it's it's not going to be a pretty game. Okay.
Would you start Alexander Madison or Chris Godwin?
Oh, Godwin.
Okay.
Alexander Madison or Josh Downs?
Hmm.
The fact that I have to look.
I've got Downs right here.
Madison or Josh Downs?
Madison.
Even in full PPR?
Yeah.
I don't think this is going to be a good game for the Colts passing game.
Okay.
Excuse me.
Pattinson Batman movie rivals Clooney
for worst Batman movie from SS?
Are you kidding?
No, come on.
Did you guys see the Pattinson Batman movie?
The Batman?
Yeah, it was good.
It wasn't great, but it was good.
It was very good.
Yeah, it was better than the Clooney and the Val Kilmer.
Oh, all those.
Definitely better than that.
Those movies were terrible.
Yeah.
Okay.
Campy.
Yes, they were.
Brock Purdy and Kirk Cousins are, you know, right around 12th.
Starting Howl over them, right?
Yep.
Yep.
Starting, Um,
not Mayfield. If you think that Kirk Cousins is going to have a bad game, you
should start Gino over him for sure.
I think Cousins can still come
through and be pretty good.
I'm a little worried about Gino having
the big blow up game. My only
inclination is a gut feeling not based
on anything else that Gino's actually done.
So I've got Cousins ahead of Gino, but I wouldn't blame you if you rolled the dice.
I would take Geno, and there is something to hang your hat on there.
The matchup's so much better in Geno's favor.
Yeah.
That's facts.
I think Cousins will throw way more than 31 times.
He definitely will, but I wonder, as Adam alluded to,
the 49ers feel like they're going to slow this game down
because of the potential injuries,
and that defense has got to be pissed after what happened last week
where they gave up two field goal drives that allowed them to lose the game.
It is back-to-back road game there, Francisco,
but they do have the extra day to get better.
I think Greenlaw, if he plays, will be a big part of this as well. They missed him in their
run defense.
Having their guys healthy against
that Vikings offense,
which is down their best player,
and we saw, again, for whatever it's worth,
you want to say 31 pass attempts, you want to say that Cousins
didn't need to do very much, all that,
but it's still a game without
Justin Jefferson against that defense.
I think Cousins is going to be in trouble.
Got a question here in the chat,
Purdy or golf.
I'm going to stick with golf this week.
I just like what I saw last week for the first time he had his receiving
core healthy and no David Montgomery probably puts a little bit more onus on
him to,
you know,
have to carry the offense and certainly losing the goal line hammer that they
have there without Montgomery playing.
So maybe we get some passing touchdowns inside the five.
So I like the setup for Goff a little bit better, even if Purdy has his guys.
I do too.
I love that Goff's offensive line is in good shape.
That'll help him against a step up in competition.
And the Ravens, I know their defense is great,
but look at the quarterbacks that they face.
This is the best one.
Right.
Probably in terms of health this is probably like the second most game that i'm looking forward to watching like eagles
dolphins no question but this one i'm really looking forward to because it's a step up in
competition for both the lions and the ravens oh i thought you were talking about that okay
yeah not the niners vikings no let's talk the Niners, Vikings, I think, a little bit here.
Okay, San Francisco running backs.
If McCaffrey plays, you know what you're doing.
If McCaffrey does not play, where are you ranking Elijah Mitchell, Dave?
Where are you ranking Jordan Mason?
I've got Mitchell 15th because I think he'll be the lead back,
and I think he'll be the one that gets high-value touches.
Mason is a flex.
So Mitchell over Matt,
Matt Mitchell,
Madison Mason.
Yes.
Ooh,
look at the Ms.
And Minnesota's run defense is excellent by the way.
And they also are giving up the second fewest receiving yards per game to
running backs.
But we like San Francisco running backs.
That's going to outweigh the matchup.
Would you start?
Love their scheme.
It's just been proven to be good time and time again.
Elijah Mitchell or Brian Robinson?
Robinson.
Robinson.
Unless you were to say right now that it's Mitchell is going to be the guy
and Mason is just going to be the strict backup,
then I would take Mitchell.
Okay, how about Mitchell or Jameer Gibbs?
Assuming Reynolds is out.
Well, assuming Gibbs is in.
Okay, Gibbs.
I've got Mitchell over Gibbs,
but I've got a ranked Robinson, Mitchell, Gibbs.
Since Jordan Mason is probably the most added all right since jordan mason is probably the most added player
in uh fantasy we should talk about him would you start jay lawson bi-week replacement running back
he's got a great rushing average this year but i think it's it's either his two best runs or two of his best runs came in like third and 15, and he gained 12 yards, something like that.
So situations where they basically wave the white flag and they just run a draw play with Mason.
And he has one catch in his career.
Would you start Jordan Mason or Jalen Warren?
I've got Warren ahead of Mason by several spots.
Would you start Jordan Mason or Justice Hill?
I've got Hill one spot ahead of Mason.
I might flip that one.
If Jeff Wilson plays Mason or Wilson?
Okay.
I don't really feel good about starting Jeff Wilson.
Wilson wouldn't even be a top 36 running back for me.
All right, Iuke is an easy call. Start him. If Debo plays, a top 36 running back for me. All right, Iyuk is an easy call.
Start him.
If Debo plays, start or sit?
Number three receiver.
I think that's where he's at right now.
Now, let's lay out this scenario.
If Debo plays and McCaffrey does not play,
then I might put Debo inside the top 24
because I think he'll get some carries.
Debo would be a must-start guy if he plays.
All right, Dave, you're just a little hesitant coming off the injury?
A little bit hesitant coming off the injury.
What they might end up doing is mixing up all three backs,
which is still good for Debo.
But I don't know if he's – when you say must-start,
I think of top 12, top 15 type of wide receiver.
I think he'd be a low-end wide receiver too if there's no McCaffrey. Yeah. I think again, that that's a scenario, clearly no McCaffrey,
but he may be their best rusher. If do they put them out there in that position,
knowing that he's not a hundred percent. I mean, who knows, you know, he's played
through injuries certainly plenty of times, but I think just given the situation, you know,
he probably would be up there in terms of leading them in carries.
Yeah, I think he's trustworthy.
Like I said, top 24 type of wide receiver.
Where would you rank him?
Would you put him top 15, top 20?
Like 18, 19, if McCaffrey's out.
If McCaffrey's out.
What if McCaffrey is in and Debo's in?
Then probably 22, 23.
All right.
If McCaffrey and Debo both play,
would you start Debo Samuel or Chris Godwin and Marquise Brown?
Look at those guys.
Brown, Samuel, Godwin in the number.
I'd put Samuel behind Godwin in PPR.
All right.
To the Vikings here, we talked about Cousins, low-end starter,
or high-end backup.
We talked about Madison.
Okay.
Addison.
You guys are pretty high on him.
Heath is not.
Heath has Addison outside the top 24.
Addison had three catches for 28 yards
and a touchdown on four targets at the Bears last week
in his first game without Jefferson.
He does have four touchdowns on the season.
But, Jamie, why so high on Jordan Addison?
I think, again, you're playing out the
game script. He's probably going to see a lot of targets. They're probably going to throw the ball
a lot. So while Cousins may have like a 232 and three type of game, I think we'll see Addison
have a chance to score, see the most targets of those receiving core. And I don't mind him given the circumstances of what the week looks like all right so is he going to be higher than devo samuel in your rankings regardless yes
yes all right he's going to be i've got i might have him ranked a little too aggressively right
now i've got him in the top 20 i will probably move addison down but only like three or four spots.
So far, the 49ers haven't really stopped any good receivers except for CeeDee Lamb,
who had, you know, that was a horrible game for the Cowboys. He had four catches for 49 on five targets. But let's see. I mean, Michael Wilson and Marquise Brown had big games. Amari Cooper had a huge game.
Puka Nakua had 147 yards.
Tutu Atwell had seven for 77.
Amari had a big catch.
Right.
I mean, he did, but he schooled the cornerback,
and then he made another contested catch
against their best cornerback, Charverius Ward.
So he had 100 yards.
I know you're really killing him, Amari Cooper.
He had a great catch.
I mean, it was fantastic, but
it's not like it was
4 for 108 for him.
If it was 6 for 108, 7 for
108, that's more in line with what I would expect
from Amari Cooper. Maybe.
I'd still say he beat
expectations last week with P.J. Walker
as his quarterback.
T.J. Hawkinson is a start.
K.J. Osborne Forgot to ask about him.
Number four receiver.
Yeah.
High week replacement.
Let's go to the real game of the week here.
Washington's at the Giants.
Stat of the game that I don't expect to matter.
The commanders have allowed 111 yards or more
to a wide receiver in five straight games.
Mims, Diggs, AJ.J. Brown, D.J. Moore, Drake London.
I will, gosh, I don't even know what I would do.
Name it.
If the Giants receiver has 111 yards in this game,
I will lose some bet and-
Who would it be?
Slayton.
Do you think the Giants wide receivers
will total 111 yards?
No.
I actually don't.
That's a great call.
Well, they did last week with their better quarterback.
They did, yeah.
The Commanders are bad against the deep ball.
We talk about that every time we talk about the Commanders.
And they've got some weapons who can attack deep.
It's just a matter of whether or not Terod does it.
I mean, do they really, though?
They don't have like a great deep ball.
Jalen Hyatt can win downfield.
Yeah, maybe.
And so can Darius Slayton.
But for fantasy purposes,
it doesn't really matter.
But it's not exactly...
Their DFS tournament plays.
It's not exactly a Wanda Robinson script,
I guess, but you know,
he gets his PPR floor.
Stat of the game that might matter.
Terry McLaurin is averaging 19 PPR fantasy points per game
in his seven career games against the Giants.
He has 70 or more yards in every game.
Would you start Terry McLaurin or who did we just talk about?
Jordan Addison.
McLaurin.
That's one of the guys that I might flip with Addison.
Let's say McLaurin over Addison.
Jamie's getting a little tired over there.
I think he needs to pick me up.
I'm sorry, I forgot, Jamie.
I hope I made it up to you.
Happy birthday to you.
Hey!
Happy birthday.
Back to the game.
Stat of the game that always matters
and will haunt Giants pass catchers all season long.
The Giants have two passing touchdowns in six games.
That's wonderful stuff.
All right, the Commanders are really
the more interesting team here.
Sam Howell is top 10 for you guys.
So you're starting him over any non-obvious guy.
Would you start Howell over Goff or Love this week?
Yes.
I'd start Love over Howell, but Howell one spot ahead of Goff or Love this week? Yes. I'd start Love over Howell,
but Howell one spot ahead of Goff.
Okay, it's interesting.
The Giants have allowed only eight touchdown passes
in six games.
They've done a pretty...
I mean, 20 points to Tua,
17 points to Josh Allen.
It's interesting.
They're getting better.
Brian Robinson is top 15 for everybody.
He's a good start.
Antonio Gibson is not.
And Terry McLaurin, yes.
How about Curtis Samuel, start or sit?
He's a good number three receiver this week.
I mean, you got to buy into what he's been doing.
You know, he's got a touchdown in three straight games,
14 or more PPR points each of those games as well.
They're using him as a rusher. He's, I, I said it earlier this week, he's, you know,
doing what his namesake has done, you know, uh, in this offense, you know, getting the ball,
the backfield. Um, so look, there's, uh, there, there's a lot to like about the situation.
There's just not a lot to trust about the situation. Cause at some point that four for 42
without the touchdown is what you
might be looking at and so i don't know if there's uh uh okay i feel great starting curtis samuel
situation out there but six teams on a buy and and all these injuries you know he's a pretty good flex
let me give you a weird stat here because it's interesting to me that the giants defense isn't
really so great.
But they, I tell you this all the time, right?
They don't allow receptions to running backs.
20 or more games in a row now, a running back doesn't have a touchdown catch or more than 34 yards.
And they also don't allow deep balls.
They've allowed one catch this year of 30 or more air yards.
It was a Tyreek Hill touchdown.
Four catches of 20 or more air yards this year.
So they must be getting killed in the middle of the field,
the intermediate area.
And they have allowed the second,
the third most yards per catch on throws of five to 15 air yards.
This is an area that the Giants struggle in.
That's an area of the field that Curtis Samuel might be able to take
advantage of.
It might be a bit of a stretch statistically.
I don't know, but Hey, I don't know. Give it a shot. It might Samuel might be able to take advantage of. It might be a bit of a stretch statistically. I don't know.
But hey, I don't know.
Give it a shot.
That sounds like a Logan Thomas area.
Hey, that could be too.
How do you feel about him coming off the dud?
And a Terry McLaurin area, to be perfectly honest.
How do you feel about him coming off that dud, Logan Thomas?
Not great.
I think he's serviceable as a starting fantasy tight end,
but Janu, I'd start over him, Luke Musgrave against Denver.
I'd start him. I have Fryer Muth over him right now.
He's I think he's just a low end starting tight end who might give you
another dud.
He's going to be one of these guys all season long that when we give up on
him, he performs well. And when we buy into him, he stinks.
You know, he just feels like that's Logan Thomas.
On the giant side of the ball, start Barkley.
Who's the all, I don't know how to figure out team?
Kendrick Bourne feels like that's one of those guys.
Logan Thomas feels like he's one of those guys.
Calvin Ridley was one of those guys.
I think he's starting, like Adam said, to slide the other way.
So a guy that you sit him when he's good.
You just don't know what to do.
Right.
Every time we get excited about him, he disappoints us.
Then when we say, okay, I'm done with him,
he comes back and does something productive.
Hunter Henry to a low level.
Hunter Henry?
DJ Moore?
No.
At the beginning of the year. No, I can tell you, I. DJ Moore. No.
At the beginning of the year.
No, I mean,
I can tell you,
I sat DJ Moore twice.
I think, you know,
more people sat him just once and he had a good game.
When did anybody sit him?
After his first two games,
I think,
probably going into week three.
Well, didn't he score in week two?
Like,
yeah, he was okay,
I think.
Oh,
maybe I'm confused after week one.
I don't know. Yeah, he had 100 yards in week two. Maybe I'm confused after week one. I don't know.
Yeah, he had 100 yards in week two,
so I'm probably wrong about that.
Bang.
Your team stinks.
Wow, look at all these players.
Darren Waller is like a top eight tight end,
and then Wandale Robinson or Josh Downs.
Who would you guys rather have?
Robinson.
I have.
One guy's playing Washington. One guy's playing Cleveland. This isn't very difficult. Yeah, I guy's playing Washington.
One guy's playing Cleveland.
This isn't that very difficult.
Yeah,
I'm taking downs.
I think there'll be more volume for downs and there will be for Robinson.
All right.
Yeah.
Robinson or is she rice?
Right.
Rice.
Should anybody,
should we do rice,
rice,
baby. Right. What do you think now? Okay. We won't do that. We could just do happy birthday again. Rice. Should we do rice, rice, baby?
What do you think?
No?
Okay, we won't do that.
We can just do happy birthday again.
And that is Washington DST.
You can start them.
They are, I think, 7th for Jamie, 11th for Dave, and 6th for Dave.
And that's it for Fantasy Football today.
Appreciate your time, everybody. We will talk to you on the Mailbag Show, recording that at noon Eastern on Friday, publishing it
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talk to you later. Thank you for all the happy birthday wishes. I appreciate it.
You
know it, buddy.
Happy birthday, Jamie.
Happy weekend, everybody.
See you later.