Fantasy Football Today - Start or Sit (NFC): Aim for Upside? Start Jameson Williams? DK Metcalf? James Cook? (12/13 Fantasy Football Podcast)

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Starting point is 00:01:41 No, I can't. It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Off to the races, and he stays at his feet. This is gonna go the distance. Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. Welcome, everybody. Starter Sit for Fantasy V 15, part two. We've got seven games to break down today. And of course, look back at a horror show from Thursday night.

Starting point is 00:02:05 No, no, no. What? Just skip it. Seriously. Ooh, we welcome you to- Just take the night off like Cooper Cup. That's a fantasy football today presented by Bet MGM, the sportsbook born in Vegas. Sorry guys.

Starting point is 00:02:18 Now you can talk. That was pretty rough. That was pretty rough. Pretty rough? I think I lost six leagues just on last night alone. You never know. You know, I was going to say- Oh know you beat me in the FFT. Congratulations. Keith won in the LOL. Congratulations. I'm done. Absolutely done. The old reverse kibosh. I have literally one league where Purdy is my starting quarterback and both Rams receivers were in the lineup. Done. Absolutely

Starting point is 00:02:42 done. No chance. No, that's not true. You know, I was gonna, No, it's true. For people. Wait, wait, wait. So you're just quitting on the league. You're not even going to bother. No chance. There's no chance. There's always a chance. There's no chance when two of my players. Let's say you're watching you right now and you're looking for advice on how to overcome this. What would you say?

Starting point is 00:03:01 Go play DFS. Have a great rest of season. In all seriousness, I did want to share this. I did want to share this. The night that Jamar Chase scored, I think, 55 points against the Ravens Thursday night, I lost. I had two Jamar Chase leagues, I lost. Think about some of your- Good, now you know how I feel.

Starting point is 00:03:21 We lost, congratulations. No, no, I lost one of them, I lost one. Except you lost earlier in the year, you're losing in. Congratulations. No, no, I lost one of them. I lost one. Except he lost earlier in the year. You're losing in the playoffs. No, hold on. I'm saying I lost with a 55 point game on Thursday. Go look at some of your lineups that have won recently. I bet there was a stinker or two in there. Don't worry about it.

Starting point is 00:03:39 You've got time to make it out. Congratulations. You advanced in FFT. Heath won in YOLO. I'm trying to think any other ones that involve any of us. No, it's probably a congratulations. My friend Jason, he beat me in the league where I started pretty into Rams receivers. Yeah, done. Well, Matthew Stafford had the ninth fewest passing yards of his career with a minimum

Starting point is 00:03:58 of 20 pass attempts. He threw for 160 yards and Pooka Nakua had 97 of them. He was the only one who was good. Brock Purdy, this is his second game in his last three with four or fewer fantasy points. And of course the other one was that snow game in Buffalo, but he also, they're going to score 50 points next week in Miami. Yeah, of course. They're also, he also scored 2.4 fantasy points in week 16 of last year against Baltimore. So some bad playoff performances in the fantasy playoffs for Brock Purdy. He's better in the regular playoffs,

Starting point is 00:04:31 but we probably won't know that this year. All right. So instead of kind of going, Oh, you're going to start them next week and all that, because we probably are for most of these guys. And the rain, I won't be stuck in them at all. The rain was obviously a factor in the first half, but not the second half. Do you adjust your strategy based on Thursday's game? I just go, I just go write a check. So sad, Jamie. Just quits on it all. Listen, you got to be realistic sometimes. It was a great season.

Starting point is 00:05:05 I had a lot of fun. I enjoyed my fantasy leagues. Go screw yourself, Cooper Cup. I've never seen this. Jamie is very even keeled. He, by the way, in our fantasy football today league that he's already crowned me in, he started Jennings and Kittle.

Starting point is 00:05:18 I started Pukinakua. I have a 55% chance to win according to the projections. No, you won. It's stopped. But in all seriousness, Dave, Pukinokua. I have a 55% chance to win according to projections. No, you won. But in all seriousness, Dave, as the one who's not flipping out right now, do you adjust your strategy? Try to hit the upside plays if you had a bad night or play it safe if your opponent had a bad night or anything, or do you just set your lineup like you normally would? Never quit, never surrender. And I don't think Jamie is really doing either of those things. I would look at my lineup and say, All right, do I have anybody in now who just doesn't have a high

Starting point is 00:05:50 ceiling, maybe somebody that I'm starting for like, the safe play for 10 PPR points, maybe 15 if they find the end zone? And do I have anybody on my bench that I'm willing to take a risk with I'm down big or I'm projected down big. Is there somebody that I can put into my lineup that's got high upside? So here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to look at Jamie's team in the FFT league, and I'm going to see if there's anything his team could do to try and compete this week. Oh, against me. But I will just give my two cents. I will give my two cents and I am not going to start Jamison Williams over some top 15 or 20 like AJ Brown.

Starting point is 00:06:32 I got this question on the radio today. I got a question on the radio this morning. Jamison Williams versus Khalil Shakir in PPR. So to me, they're close to begin with. If you're talking about who's got the highest ceiling because you feel like you're chasing points, you're going to play Jamison over Shakir. Like that's close enough where you can make that decision. I see where you're talking about who's got the highest ceiling because you feel like you're chasing points, you're gonna play Jamison over Shakira. That's close enough where you can make that decision. I see where you're going. I agree completely, yep. But then again, you could have Jamison Williams

Starting point is 00:06:51 who drops the touchdown like Debo Samuel did. So thanks, Debo. You didn't start, Debo, get out of here. I did in the podcast league, I had to. Oh man. Yeah, another bad night for Debo. okay. Here's Jamie's team. He's got burrow a quarterback. That guy can always go off. He's got Jonathan Taylor and he's got both bucks running back. So he's going to start one of Rashad white or Bucky Irving. I know I'm lucky

Starting point is 00:07:16 he'll come back and screw screw over both of them. Well, maybe, um, Brian Thomas juniors in your lineup, Garrett Wilson's in your line up. I don't like hear his whole lineup. You know I don't like to know this. I don't like to know this. And oh man, Adam, you're not going to like this. Jamie's got the Ravens defense. And then I look at Adam's team. Okay, you've got Jalen Hurts, Rico Dowdell, Joe Mixon, AJ Brown. That's a winning roster.

Starting point is 00:07:39 You're starting, Jamie's going to win this. I know, that's what I'm saying. My team. Your receivers are weak. I had. That's what I'm saying. My team. No, your receivers are weak. I had Christian McCaffrey in that league. You know, he's got it. He's got you. All right. So anyway, listen, I just want to focus. You're starting hurts over golf.

Starting point is 00:07:52 I wouldn't do that. I'm probably starting off, but listen, I don't adjust your lineup too much. You don't know who has the most upside and you don't know how the rest of your week is going to play out. Don't start a guy that you think is going to be worse than player A because he might have a bigger game. You're going to kick yourself, but you know, but you're going to kick yourself if you lose by three points because you

Starting point is 00:08:14 benched someone who gave you 12 for someone who gave you a six because he thought the guy who gave you six could, you know, had a bigger, had more upside. Or you could say the exact same thing the other way. You lose by three points because you didn't play the guy with higher upside who came through. Now, you're not going to do anything ridiculous. You're not starting Tyler Lockett over Mike Evans or something like that. But I think we know who the high upside receivers are at this point. We talked about Jameson Williams, Ridley and Westbrook Hikene are in there. We'll talk about other ones as we go through the day. Like those are the types of players that I will look at starting over veteran receivers that just aren't as exciting or younger receivers that haven't been proven. Like Adam, if you had,

Starting point is 00:08:55 you've got to do it in your life. If you had Westbrook Akiné, I might make that switch and play the higher upside guy. Okay. I mean, we're talking about two receivers that I don't really want to be starting. But Nick Westbrook, a keen aid is not really fall into this category. But you're talking about him again. So do and say I'm talking about who's this? Who's a safe wide receiver that, you know, maybe people think has a lot of upside. I safe wide receiver that has a lot of upside or that I would sit for someone with a lot of upside or that I would sit for someone with a lot of upside. Okay. For example, would you, would you sit, um, would you sit, uh, Zay Flowers for Nick Westbrook, Akina? No way, right? You wouldn't do that.

Starting point is 00:09:33 Probably not because we know that Zay Flowers has that same type of upside, even though I'm worried about the number of targets. Small sample size of what we, what we do, you know, what we should do is go build a time machine and then Isaac, you're in, don't. All right, let's move on here. Let me give you one other name, though. Adam, you and I studied DK Metcalf yesterday. Yeah. And he just doesn't look as good as he did earlier in the season. He's clearly playing through something that might be somebody that if I'm down big, I would sit for someone with higher upside. I would not sit him for Nick Westbrook-O'Keeley, no way. And I would not sit him for who is somebody,

Starting point is 00:10:09 I would not sit him for- You would sit him for Jameson Williams? I would, no, I would not. To think that DK Metcalf doesn't have big upside when I've looked at two plays in the last three weeks where he's been open for a touchdown and Geno Smith missed them, I just don't sit. Well, that's a problem.

Starting point is 00:10:21 And Jameson Williams, he has like one or two end zone targets all year. He never gets targeted there. Um, I, that's what I'm saying. Like upside is perceived. It's not necessarily reality. All right. Uh, no, nothing is reality. Cooper cup is unfortunate reality. I guess that's what you call fantasy football. Anyone on the planet would have said Cooper cup would have delivered zero catches? No, no. Well, reality is the bad part.

Starting point is 00:10:47 Outscored the entire receiving core for both teams by himself. That's amazing. All right, Sunday will help you out with little therapy session. Let's give Carden Williams credit. He had a good game. It was fine. It was all right. Yeah, it didn't win you a league.

Starting point is 00:11:02 Sunday, 1130 AM. I don't know of anybody from that game won you a league. YouTube.com slash fantasy football today. Party. We're on CBS Sports Network, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Friday at 1 PM Eastern. Please check that out. Let's do some news and notes.

Starting point is 00:11:14 So just to recap some, oh, by the way, today's Friday the 13th, and we're gonna be doing some spooky stuff throughout the show. I'm scared of the Thursday night game. Yeah, you should be. But I got some spooky stuff throughout the show. I'm scared of the Thursday night game. Yeah, you should be. But I got some spooky music to play and we're gonna give you scary stats for every game

Starting point is 00:11:30 to try to scare you off your favorite players. How happy are you right now if you played against anybody from last night, by the way? I'm thrilled. Like Adam should be doing the dance. I didn't know that. I didn't look at your lineup. Adam's gonna lose to you.

Starting point is 00:11:41 I didn't look at your lineup. And then I saw the score this morning, you know, it's on the main page screen is so the score. And I was like, hmm, that's a lot of points for Jamie. He definitely didn't have one player. He must've had at least two. So I did look and I saw you had two players. All right.

Starting point is 00:11:57 It was like 90 points. I beat Heath by 80 points in our Yolo league and he had a good week. I had an amazing week. And I have Stafford, Kyron and Puka in that in that league and it's over. That one you're done in but the one against Adam I think you're gonna win. No done done in both. All right. All right. Tommy DeVito starting for the Giants. Jake Hayner starting for the Saints. Aiden O'Connell wants to play.

Starting point is 00:12:20 Pick them up. They have upside. Guess what? They'll be better than Purdy. Right. Start JK in or sit back Purdy. That's so funny. Aiden O'Connell might play. He wants to play. Joe Burrow has a knee injury says he's fine. Will Leviss practiced in full again. Joe Justin Herbert practiced. He's good. Running back news. You got to keep an eye. Tony Pollard's faked us out a few times this year, but he has mispracticed each of the first two days of this week with an ankle injury. So I was almost dropped Tajay Spears last night. I said, you know what?

Starting point is 00:12:51 Wait, not yet, not yet. Well, I think people should make sure that Tajay Spears is no longer available on waivers. Yeah. He was available in a couple of our leagues. I picked him up this morning. Ken Walker mispracticed, still not expecting him. Sunday night game.

Starting point is 00:13:05 So I really hope that's not a Sunday morning. We don't know kind of situation. Both bears running back still out Roshan Johnson still in the concussion protocol. The Andre Swift mispractice with a groin injury. They're playing Monday. So that was their first practice of the week. You know, but and Travis Homer left with an injury too. I don't even know what to say there, but it's probably gonna practicing. He left with a head injury. But okay. Good. And I would imagine

Starting point is 00:13:29 that Swift will get into practice by Saturday. Boy, you talk about someone who scares me this week and someone who baffles me. It's Alvin Camara. Alvin Camara hasn't scored in seven straight games. And yet he's a top 16 running back per game in half PPR and even better in full PPR in that stretch. So Kamara's missed two practices with an illness though, so keep an eye on that. Bucky Irving missed practice. Amari DiMarcato missed practice for Arizona. Aaron Jones was limited.

Starting point is 00:14:01 Why do I bring up Amari DiMarcato? If he doesn't play, that could be more catches for James Connor. Aaron Jones was limited and Alexander Madison, we know this and Cyr McCormick's gonna start even though Madison's going to play. Demarcus Robinson, oh sorry, he shouldn't read that one anymore. He played, did nothing.

Starting point is 00:14:17 It's better than Cooper Cup. See, we're not expecting George Pickens. I think we are expecting Keon Coleman, right? Yes, yes, yes. Josh Downs we are expecting Keon Coleman, right? Yes. Yes. Yes. Josh Downs we're expecting. Yes, practicing full. Okay. Mike Evans and Sterling Shepard mispracticed. Lad McConkey still limited. Rashad Bateman practiced in full.

Starting point is 00:14:36 Marquise Brown could return soon for the Chiefs. Dave's been talking about him for a couple of weeks as a beat the waiver wire guy. Cedric- Yeah, more of a stash on the IR kind of guy. Yeah. And just to be clear Robinson was as good as Cooper Cup on Thursday. Right. But both of them were terrible compared to Ricky Pearsall.

Starting point is 00:14:56 Cedric Tillman and Romeo Dobbs. I don't know if they're gonna play Cedric Tillman. It looks like Dobbs is trending in the right direction. Not so sure about that. He's practicing in full, but he just has not cleared the concussion protocol. I don't know if Tillman's practiced in full officially. And Tillman's interesting because Njoku is probably out this week. So that you know what, let's talk about that.

Starting point is 00:15:18 And with the joke, who likely out with a hamstring injury against the chiefs. Jamie, how does that change things? We talked about this game yesterday. How does that change things for the Browns receiving core? I don't think it changes things much for the Browns receiving core, except for maybe Elijah Moore, if Tillman is back. If Tillman is out, then the ancillary pieces

Starting point is 00:15:38 for the Browns are really gonna have much interest in. I don't think Jordan Aikens or the other tight ends there in Cleveland are gonna necessarily be someone you're starting this week. These are not the type of players you're using to chase if you're down, for example, Thursday night. But it makes me a little bit more nervous about Jameis because you're still talking about a quarterback that needs a reliable option in the middle of the field. And Najoku has been so clutch for him.

Starting point is 00:16:04 He's been such a good red zone option for him. So you take away Jamis, you take away the joke. Who I dropped Jamis a couple of spots in my ranking. So I would still consider him a streamer, but he's behind where I had him initially before he's behind bone X, he's behind my homes, he's behind Richardson, which I had already. You know, so I think the ceiling is much lower. And if you look at it, we don't talk about this enough.

Starting point is 00:16:26 Our sports line projections have been really good this season. They have James 28th. So I don't think he's going to do that obviously, but they are way out on James Winston, you know, where were they on a pretty in Stafford? Um, I'm sure like everybody else, probably really. 29th and 30th. Uh, look, I, I agree with you. I think that there is a problem if a new joker doesn't play. He's been a short area guy on top of being an end zone target

Starting point is 00:16:50 for Winston. But if Tillman's back, I just, I can't help myself. I still think that Jamis is going to have the type of volume and certainly has enough targets to put up some good numbers. All right. And Tyler, nevermind, forget him. Evan Ingram, I gotta update my notes. Evan Ingram mispracticed with a shoulder injury. So I think Doug Peterson expressed optimism about Ingram, but we'll see. And Trey McBride, limited with a knee should be fine.

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Starting point is 00:20:04 Yes, there are must start wide receivers in this game. Okay, how many? There's one and potentially two. Amarra St. Brown is still a Mustard wide receiver and Khalil Shakir is a borderline Mustard wide receiver. I would call Shakir a Mustard. Yeah, do you think Shakir is better than the 12-ish points he usually gives you?

Starting point is 00:20:25 I think that's where you start. And so look, he's obviously better in PPR than the other formats because he doesn't score touchdowns consistently. And that's not necessarily a staple of what Josh Allen has been doing is throwing touchdowns to his wide receivers consistently. So you do have Keon Coleman back.

Starting point is 00:20:39 You're coming off a game where Mark Cooper had 14 targets. And this feels like this could be a similar type of back and forth type of game where Josh Allen's throwing a lot. So I think all the receivers are in play here with Kinkade back also. So we haven't seen this for a long time. With everybody healthy, with a healthy Amari Cooper knowing the system, this just hasn't been okay, now you see what Buffalo has to offer the rest of season. So I think Shakir is a number two wide receiver.

Starting point is 00:21:02 I just wouldn't necessarily call him a must-start. We had a conversation at the start of the show about maybe Jameson Williams over Shakir if you're looking for most upside. So Shakir is on the cusp of that. He's a must start wide receiver in three receiver leagues. And in PPR, you can definitely make the argument that he should be a must start wide receiver.

Starting point is 00:21:16 But you said it, 12 points. That's not must start. Yeah. All right. Chicago's at Minnesota. Dave, is this a bounce back game for the Bears passing game? 23 pass attempts in a horrible game last week at San Francisco, but the Vikings

Starting point is 00:21:31 see the most pass attempts in the NFL. Yeah. If you want to say that it's a volume play for Caleb Williams, you can. But I thought I thought he took a step back two games ago and last week was horrible for Caleb. And I heard what Jacob Gibbs had to say on Beyond the Box score about these Bears wide receivers and he basically called them all like risky flex plays. And I tend to agree. The line isn't as good. Caleb is still jumpy. The play calling is weird.

Starting point is 00:21:58 The timing is off between Caleb and some of his receivers. I know it's Minnesota and I know they've given up a lot of points to wide receivers, but they are going to get in Caleb Williams face. And I just, I have a hard time trusting these guys. DJ Moore is no better than a flex. Keenan Allen is a low end flex. Odunze, you're starting them, Adam. I don't feel good starting them. No, I wasn't. He wasn't protruding on either of his touchdowns last week. This, this is a, this, I want to start the Vikings DST. I think they're going to get a ton of sacks. I think they're going to get a ton of turnovers. And I think the bears offense is

Starting point is 00:22:30 going to make people feel a little upset. Yeah. I know my option right now would be Cedric Tillman or Roma doing say, or if I'm lucky, Tajay Spears would be an easy one. But no, actually, because, because I would start Roma doing say over tank Dell. I'm like, my team's really not that good, but yeah, that's why you're going to lose to Jamie. I think I am. Okay. Next. Next one here is Green Bay at Seattle. Jamie, excluding the running backs in this game, which we're expecting it to be Charbonne and Jacobs, which two players are you most confident in as starters in Green Bay at Seattle? players are you most confident in as starters in Green Bay at Seattle? JSN is an easy one. And then is there a second guy? No, there's

Starting point is 00:23:13 not. Okay, who would be next? If you had to pick one Metcalfe, love Gino? It would it would be it would be it would be Metcalfe. Craft makes Metcalf. It would be Metcalf. Kraft makes me a little nervous with Romeo Dobbs coming back. I mean, you know, his numbers have been amazing in the two and a half games since, you know,

Starting point is 00:23:34 Dobbs suffered the concussion. And they were good without it. So it's a toss up between Kraft and Metcalf because Metcalf has been so underwhelming for the last, you know, month. And we said it, Adam full practices. Well, what happened on Thursday? He went from full on Wednesday to limited on Thursday with the shoulder again.

Starting point is 00:23:51 So I don't know if he's a hundred percent. And that's really the biggest concern, you know, is he playing at his best? And you said it, he's missed some play, missed some throw, uh, Geno's missed some throws. That's a part of it though. It's not just all on Metcalf. It's on the quarterback, you know, who hasn't exactly been been great. So I'm going to say no, there are not two players that I'm most confident in. It's it's JSN. It's Josh Jacobs. It's Zach Charbonne. If

Starting point is 00:24:14 there is no Ken Walker, and then the rest of the guys are question marks. All right, next up New England is at Arizona. Dave, who's a better flex Marvin Harrison, Jr. or Ramondre Stevenson? flex Marvin Harrison, Jr. or Ramondre Stevenson. I'll take Harrison. I think that GameScript probably won't hurt him as much as it might hurt Ramondre if the Cardinals build a lead and they can build it with Harrison. We've seen Harrison get some good target volume really over the last few weeks. Hopefully you can convert it into some good production and a touchdown. That's really been the key for him. When he scores, as he's production is easy to get. When he scores, yeah.

Starting point is 00:24:49 All right, Dallas is at Carolina. Give me some players, Jamie, that you would start Adam Thielen over. Some running backs or wide receivers. DK Metcalf. Trying to think of where I have him now. Darn El Mooney. How about Rico Dowdle? No. How about CD lamb? No, no, not lamb. I might start feeling over doubtful. I'd start feeling

Starting point is 00:25:18 over Stevenson. I started over nausea. I'd start him over Marvin Harrison. I'd start him over neighbors. Yep. I'd start him over Bears guys. DJ Moore over Thielen, but the other guys, yes. Look, he's been fantastic the last two weeks and it's a very good matchup. All right. Washington is at New Orleans. Dave, Brian Robinson Jr. Jamie started the week or Alvin Camara? Non PPRPR. It's easy for me. It's Robinson in full PPR. I think it's close just because Camara can rack up those catches, but I'm going to give the nod to Robinson. I've seen the track record of running backs against the Saints defense. It's really, really good. I think it's like 10 running backs have had at least 12 touches against New

Starting point is 00:26:06 Orleans this year, and all of them have had at least 16 PPR points. So I'm going to go ahead and assume that Brian Robinson can find 12 touches and come through for 16 PPR points. No Austin Eckler, that's obviously going to help him. And coming off of a bye too, like he's going to be rested, hopefully won't lose too much work to Jeremy McNichols and Robinson shapes up to be, I know Jamie's got him top 10. I think that that's kind of risky. I've got him 16th. I think he's a really good number two running back this week.

Starting point is 00:26:37 All right, I'm making the change right now. Going goodbye, Kamara. Hello, Brian Robinson Jr. Okay. Who are you sitting? I mean, who else are you starting? Jawan Jennings, obviously. Garrett Wilson is my flex.

Starting point is 00:26:50 Jameer Gibbs is my other running back. I'm good with it. Kamara versus Garrett Wilson is gonna be a tough one for me. Yeah. Nah, I'd take Wilson. All right. Yeah, I mean, I'll talk. One of the stats in the three games that,

Starting point is 00:27:03 one of the spooky stats, spooky stats, scary stat, Alvin Kamara had 30 carries in three games without Derek Carr, 30 carries, that's bad. Cause they got killed in all of them. They lost by 18 or more. I think Hayner's gonna be better than Rattler was, but we'll talk about that later. Baltimore at the Giants.

Starting point is 00:27:25 All right, who's the best flex in a tricky game here? Tyrone Tracy Jr., Zay Flowers, or Malik Neighbors? Who's the best flex? PPR? Let's do half and then full. Half I would go Tracy, full I would go Neighbors. I will go Neighbors in full. I will go Flowers in half and none.

Starting point is 00:27:48 You guys ready to break down some games? Here we go. Break it down. I like to break the Rams 49ers. Break it down. Buffalo Detroit. Break it down. All right.

Starting point is 00:28:00 Here's your scare. That's not what I was referring to. What were you referring to? Ha ha. If you know, you know. Okay. Buffalo at Detroit. Here's your scary stat of the game on Friday the 13th. Detroit has allowed only four carries

Starting point is 00:28:21 longer than 10 yards in their last five games. Running backs are averaging 2.9 yards per carry against Detroit in their last five games. We're hoping that Lee McNeil can play, but this is an easy one. We're going to sit Deandre Swift, right? Oh, what? Wait, I mean, I'm sorry. What team is Deandre? Sorry. He also has a terrible matchup and it's our next game.

Starting point is 00:28:48 But for this game, this is a tough one. Are we going to sit James Cook? I apologize, I got caught up. So here's an interesting thing with James Cook. And I don't think most people have the luxury to sit him. So if you have a loaded backfield, then yes, you should do it. What did he do against the Chiefs?

Starting point is 00:29:10 Not good, right? They scored twice. Oh that's right yeah. You know he's still on a great offense and I know the the Lions run defense is great. What did Josh Jacobs do against them last week? Yeah terrible per carry but he scored three times right? And this is the type of thing you're looking at. Their run defense is great. You mentioned Mignal coming back will certainly help. They're still so beat up. They're now still on their third linebacker with the injuries, Dan Zaloni and Malcolm Rodriguez. So I don't think you use the sample size. I was really curious about what sample size you can use. The nine game sample size obviously is great. The more recent sample size is probably not as great, especially when you factor in what Jacobs did

Starting point is 00:29:48 from a fantasy point perspective. No, it is. It is. I said five games are giving up 2.9 yards per carry. They happened to give up three touchdowns to Jacobs last week, but make no mistake, this run defense is ridiculous. And Jamie, I think that James Cook is gonna be

Starting point is 00:30:02 one of those guys that people look at the matchup, they look at what he did last week, and they say, Oh, I started Cooper Cup. Should I get James Cook out of my lineup and play? Gosh, I don't even know who it would be. But like, they probably don't think I'm gonna get I'm gonna get you. Yeah, I don't I hope not. They wouldn't go that far. I guess people. But yeah, so this is where people come down to and you're 100% right. It's not an easy matchup. I'm

Starting point is 00:30:27 not making the case that it's an easy matchup by any stretch. But I think it's just a matter of what the rest of your team looks like. So we got a question here, James Cook or Tony Pollard? For me, that's easy, Tony Pollard. And if it was Ty J Spears replacing Tony Pollard, I would say Ty J Spears or James Cook also. When you're looking at your roster and you have a James Cook who you drafted who's been awesome, got me to this point, or Rico Dowdell who, do I really wanna trust Rico Dowdell? That's easy, you're going Rico Dowdell over him. Brian Robinson Jr.

Starting point is 00:30:54 Easy over here. Okay, wait, you're definitely going Dowdell over Cook? Easily. Okay. Easily, so. Dave, you agree? When I look at my rankings, how I did it, I don't know where Dave has these guys rank,

Starting point is 00:31:05 like there's like three or four guys that don't have a lot of work in the past game that you're counting them to score touchdowns and hopefully they can have some success running the ball. The two guys that come to mind for me are Jonathan Taylor and James Cook. And so they're in similar type of spots. I like the matchup better for Taylor.

Starting point is 00:31:21 So I have Taylor ranked ahead of Cook, but you need Cook to do something a little bit different than he's been doing recently, which is not catching the ball. And so if that happens in this game, then he should have the chance to make some plays out in space. If they're just going to give him 10 carries, you got to hope he scores. And we know that's difficult with Josh Allen because when they get down there, that's typically Allen's territory.

Starting point is 00:31:41 So Rashad White over James Cook this week is easy. I'm trying to think anybody else that may have been on your on your bench. Jonathan Taylor. Well, that's what I said, Jimmy Taylor is better than James Cook this week. All right. Well, I just want to point out one thing for Cook. Like it's not necessarily Josh Allen territory near the goal line. They have, I think, the same amount of carries inside the five and James Cook has scored a ton of touchdowns this season. He's got 11 rushing touchdowns. And he has had an up and down year. He has not had two straight bad games. He has not had two straight games with fewer than 15.5 PPR fantasy points at any point this season. He's obviously not an outright set. Absolutely. Absolutely. But you guys have them around 18th, 20th. So, okay, I think everyone's on the same page with James Cook.

Starting point is 00:32:28 He's not an automatic start. He's definitely not an automatic sit. Josh Allen is an automatic start. Khalil Shakir is the highest ranked. He's like, you know, around 24th or so in the rankings. And he's getting more targets lately. Now, Coleman's been injured, Cooper's playing half the snaps, but his target share, Khalil Shakir's target share since week eight is 27%. And we expect a ton of points in this game. So that's a really good sign. If you could keep that up, that'd be great.

Starting point is 00:33:00 Let me ask you about Amari Cooper, because we've talked about Jamison Williams, Dave, as a high upside guy. Sure. Boy, if they could say, all right, Amari Cooper, because we've talked about James and Williams, Dave, as a high upside guy. Sure. Boy, if they could say, all right, Amari Cooper's healthy now, let's go throw him out there for 75% of the snaps. He was 53% last week and he had 14 targets. Do you think Cooper is a high upside play?

Starting point is 00:33:20 You can play the music anytime you want, by the way. Part of the problem with Amari Cooper is that was not that music. Silly, you know what music I meant. I do. Okay. Part of the reason why he had so many targets was because Buffalo was down like double digits and in the second half last week, so Josh Allen's trying to dig them out of a hole, he's sworn to his perimeter receivers.

Starting point is 00:33:42 He's trying to have somebody who can make a play especially against man coverage. That's a Mario Cooper It's something that we didn't necessarily expect to see because we haven't really seen that It's a Super Bowl 59 preview and it's the game of the week. Hey You know some time or week 15, you have to go with the chalk before week 14. And I'm glad you did. Amari Cooper was on the field for a grand total of 18 plays when the Bills were losing. That's by any deficit, one point, 10 points, whatever they they're not behind very often. And so if you think that they're going to be behind against Detroit, which is the game. Sorry, sorry. I had to surprise you at some point.

Starting point is 00:34:29 Am I that boring? I mean, come on. I think that Cooper is not a great start this week. I would be nervous using him. I think you're chasing points. If you go after what he did last week, it might be different if Keon Coleman was out. And if Dalton Kincaid was out, if they were out, then I might be more interested in Cooper. Okay. Cooper, did you, I'm sorry if you said this, I was planning the music. Cooper or Jamison Williams? Jamison. All right. I can't see anybody starting Coleman and Kincaid has a terrible matchup. The Lions allow the fewest fantasy points to tight ends. They're very good in this category, even though Kraft scored last week at 41 yards and a touchdown.

Starting point is 00:35:09 So low end starter will call Dalton Kincaid, start Hunter Henry over him, for example. Jared Goff. All right. So here's your non scary stat of the game. And it's good and bad. So there have been four games this year where the Lions have given up more than 20 fantasy points. Jared Goff has scored 31.2, 22.8, 11.8, and 28 fantasy points. That's two great games, one good game, and one terrible game.

Starting point is 00:35:34 The terrible game was the five interception game at Houston. But usually when they give up points, he scores a lot of points, including last week. However, in those games, only 18, 25, 30, 41 pass attempts. It's not a guarantee he's gonna throw a lot. But Jamie, how confident are you in Jared Goff this week? I mean, Vegas expects this to be a high scoring game. You saw what this bill's defense looked like last week. They are at home.

Starting point is 00:35:59 Goff has gotten six straight games of 20 plus points at home. And we know that's typically where he plays at his best. So everything sets up for this to be a great game for Jared Goff. It's just a matter of, do they want to play bully ball and run on you and limit the pass attempts? And he's just relying on touchdowns. So there's really no reason to say sit Jared Goff

Starting point is 00:36:20 by any stretch. It's just a matter of like, you have one of these rare examples of Jalen Hurts versus Jared Goff. Or if you have Kyler Murray versus Jared Goff by any stretch just a matter of like you have one of these rare examples of Jalen Hertz versus Jared Goff or if you have Kyler Murray versus Jared Goff or you know, I don't think James or Richardson qualify as you know, some of the streaming to a to a yeah to a Jared Goff is a great you know, I'm starting to a I think they're somewhat similar in terms of they're not going to run you're hoping for you know,

Starting point is 00:36:44 the the touchdowns to be there because the volumes would certainly be there for two of, but the, you know, the matchup and everything sort of suggests that golf should have an opportunity to play well here too, because they're in the building and Vegas is saying huge game coming. So this is also an MVP show off, you know, a showdown, you know, for, for two guys that are, you know, well within the race. So you wonder how much that matters to Dan Campbell to

Starting point is 00:37:06 and Ben Johnson to allow Jared Goff to, you know, show that he deserves this award if he comes out with this game and wins it because of a big statistical game. So I mean, we're splitting here. So you're starting Jared Goff if you have Okay, yeah, I do think he's one of those guys that people have golf and someone else because he wasn't not like Josh Allen, where he was drafted so high. But like I see Jared Jared golf or bow nicks. That's an easy one. We're going Jared golf. I'll look for more questions here from the chat. Um,

Starting point is 00:37:31 all right, let's go to the wide receivers. You are starting on Monroe, St. Brown. You guys have them in your top eight. Heath has him 15th, three straight games with six to seven targets, no touchdowns and 12.3 or fewer. Fantasy points. It's, it's ugly, but you got to feel like he's, he's do. And then Jameson Williams is, I guess, kind of a flex. I mean, it's, it's encouraging stuff. He has a 20% target share right around there in five straight games. He's not just a downfield guy anymore, but he has zero end zone targets since week three and two red zone targets since week three. So

Starting point is 00:38:05 it's hard. He has to score on a big play. It seems. I would argue he's developed a safe floor. He has at least five catches in three straight games, four catches and four straight games. One of those games was a dud five catches for 28 yards, but the other ones, 11 plus PPR points. Like I think that he's a pretty reliable flex at this point. And you know that he's a pretty reliable flex at this point. And you know that he's got the upside to finish as a top 20 wide receiver. Jameson Williams or Keenan Allen?

Starting point is 00:38:32 I have Williams higher. I would take Allen and PPR. Jameson Williams or Marvin Harrison Jr. Jameson. I have Marvin. I have a Mar. Sam Laporta or Dalton Kincade? Laporta.

Starting point is 00:38:48 I have Kincade one spot higher. I do not know if I'm going to stick with that. And the Bills are fifth best against tight ends, but unlike the Lions, they haven't faced the toughest competition. They just were great against Kelsey and Kittle, Kittle within the snow. All right. Sit the DSTs. Let's go to Chicago at Minnesota.

Starting point is 00:39:08 Here is your, oh, I already gave the scary stat of the game. Sorry, that was loud. Uh-oh, scary Friday the 13th stat of the game. DeAndre Swift against tough run defenses, tough matchups. He has been horrendous, single digit PPR fantasy points in four of five games against teams with good run defenses. Okay. Now I can say it right. We can sit Deandre Swift. I would hope that you sit Deandre Swift. Okay. Non-scary stat of the game. Number one, the Vikings have the highest interception rate on defense, but Caleb Williams has the third lowest interception rate

Starting point is 00:39:46 in the NFL. And non-scary stat of the game number two. DJ Moore has averaged four of his five highest yards per outrun games, he's had four of his five highest yards per outrun games since the change in offensive coordinator. He's been very efficient since that happened. All right, I did want to talk more

Starting point is 00:40:06 about the Bears passing game because, I don't know, maybe I'm just looking at what happened a couple of weeks ago in this matchup. This is completely different than the San Francisco game. And Dave, I would disagree with you about the offensive line. They have the seventh lowest pressure rate over the last four weeks.

Starting point is 00:40:21 They've gotten healthy, the Bears. They haven't been bad there. And he was sacked seven times last week, Adam. Yeah, but you know, a lot of that's on him scrambling and whatnot and extending. I think that's what Dave was alluding to. And I agree is that he feels like he took a little bit of a step back. And I also think that part of this is, you know, Brian Flores has now seen him once and they're going to throw some different blitz packages at him that he may not be ready for. To me this feels like a game where the receivers will get their numbers, but I don't think

Starting point is 00:40:50 we're going to see a great game from Caleb Williams. I think we'll get some, you know, this is where you get a one touchdown game from one of the three guys and we may see finally Caleb turn the ball over. Just that hasn't happened, you know, so the interceptions have been something he's limited, which is good for him. It's also bad for the receivers because that means he's not taking some chances in certain spots So I think with the lack of a run game the fact that Minnesota does see a lot of past attempts This is gonna be where you see probably a plus targets for all three guys

Starting point is 00:41:17 One of them has a great game one of them has a so-so game and one of them disappoints and that's kind of been the trend Since Thomas Brown has taken over, you know, we've seen One great game on some occasions two great games And that happened the last time these teams met. Keenan Allen had a great game. DJ Moore had a great game. Romo Dunze, not so much. But that's, I think, just a byproduct of a lot of volume. And I think that'll still be there for him. So I don't love Caleb Williams. I do think DJ Moore is the safest of the bunch. I think Keenan Allen's a decent number three receiver just based on the amount of volume that he's had since the takeover, since the change of coordinator and Odunze, you don't want to chase the two touchdowns from last week, but I do think that they're

Starting point is 00:41:50 starting to scheme some things up for him. And so hopefully we get some quality production if you are stuck starting. There's also one other problem and that's been slow starts for the Spares offense. Here's some trivia for you. How many touchdowns does Caleb Williams have through the air in his last four games in the first half of the last four games? You shut out last week. You shut out on Thanksgiving. I don't remember the first Minnesota game. If he scored early, I'm going to guess probably not based on your... You are rolling on this track.

Starting point is 00:42:20 All right, zero then. And then he did not score a touchdown in the first game. You're starting him hoping that he comes through for, you know, crazy functional play in the second half. Can I clarify something? I do not want to start Caleb Williams. It is all about the receivers. Exactly what Jamie was saying.

Starting point is 00:42:35 I am not making the case. I mean, you could take a dart throw on Caleb Williams, but- He scored 30 fantasy points against him last time. It's not a dart throw. Well, I think he had the best game of any quarterback against Minnesota. And listen, as miserable as he was last week, he still got you 18 points. I know. You know, so like we can sit here and say, okay, he's risky. Yes. And granted, there's no teams on

Starting point is 00:42:56 a buy. But if you get 18 points out of him with the chance of 30, because that's where he's been living in three games with a coach coordinator change all these things like he's not awful. I just think there's a little bit more risk involved because now you're seeing a team for the second time. This is still a rookie quarterback. 100% agree with what they've said. It felt like it took a little bit of a step back last week. This is three straight games on the road for them. You know, that's not easy at all, especially for a young quarterback. So it just feels like it's a bad setup for him. I do think though the receivers are still in play because the volume is going to be yeah. a young quarterback. So it just feels like it's a bad setup for him. I do think though the receivers

Starting point is 00:43:25 are still in play because the volume is going to be Yeah, okay. Sorry. So that's exactly the point I was trying to make. It's about the receivers and DJ Moore's right around 24th in the rankings. So you guys have him pretty similar to Khalil Shakir. And then it's Keenan Allen and then it's Roma Dunze for you guys. We're gonna sit Cole Comet. Just correct me if I'm wrong here. We're gonna start Sam Darnold. We talked about we like Jared Goff a lot. Would you start golf or Darnold?

Starting point is 00:43:47 Darnold? Sam. All right, you guys have him fifth. Or at least he did a few days ago. I haven't I got him six. Six. Okay. I say it sadly. Aaron Jones easy start this week. What are we thinking for Jones? So he's healthier.

Starting point is 00:44:02 He's been healthy. He's running with an injury. Yes, he as he's healthy, yeah. He's been healthy. He's running with injury for yesterday. He's got a great matchup. I've got him on the border of a low end number one fantasy running back. And he was great against them three weeks ago. 19.9 PPR fantasy bears historically 22 carries. And that's the thing. Everyone gets so many carries against the bears. So he's Aaron Jones or James Cook.

Starting point is 00:44:27 Jones Jones. All right. How about Jordan Addison? Is he better than all of the Bears wide receivers? Yes. I agree. Okay. So he's basically a must start is what we're saying. I mean, he lit them up the last time he's been on fire two of his last three games over 30 PPR points. Like the targets have been there for him consistently for the better part of the last month. You know, he had the down game against Arizona, but I think that's more about Arizona's defense

Starting point is 00:44:53 than necessarily him. And so the only concern would be as you brought this up, I think it was on Sunday or maybe Tuesday about what he said in regards to knowing he's benefiting from all the attention that Justin Jefferson is getting. I think he's brought that up. Oh, one of you. I'm sorry. That, you know, does some attention maybe shift more to him. I think that's crazy to leave Justin Jefferson alone. But it's just, you know, you got to buy into what we've seen. You got to buy into what Donald has done. You got to buy into Kevin O'Connell. Like this is now it's just it's just so funny. Like if you were to say Sam Donald has been doing this, you would think Justin Jefferson's blowing away the field as the number one wide receiver and he's had a great season. Don't get

Starting point is 00:45:33 me wrong. Last week was great to see him finally score touchdown. But Addison coming along the last couple of games, like they have such a tough decision in the off season, the Vikings do about what to do with Sam Donald to keep him or let him walk. And it also should make you really encouraged about what JJ McCarthy could be if he's the guy in next season. So like you'd love it to be and by no means am I making the player comp. I'm just making the situation comp. What happened to the Chiefs?

Starting point is 00:45:59 That Alex Smith was a very good quarterback. They let him walk out the door and then they had their guy in waiting in my homes. Um, you know, McCarthy can be, if McCarthy could be Sam Darnold, imagine saying that, but if McCarthy could be Sam Darnold, Vikings are in a pretty good spot for the future. Wow. Jamie just called JJ McCarthy, the next Patrick Mahomes and the next Sam Darnold all at the same time. Wow. Next up let's uh, so Addison's a must start and then what about TJ Hawkinson? We talked about Kincaid and Laporta as low end starters. Are they both ahead of TJ Hawkinson? Uh, Laporta? Yes. Kincaid? No. If Kincaid was playing all this time, like I'd say yes, just because they're probably in a similar spot,

Starting point is 00:46:35 tough matchups. And can you trust them? I mean, I don't know how much Kincaid is going to be even what he was, which was not a great fantasy asset. So I would take Hockinson and hope that he has a game where he's heavily involved. It's eight or fewer PPR points for Hockinson in three of his last four games. There does seem to be a little bit of an attempt, and I noticed this last week against Atlanta, for the Vikings to try and get Hock in the end zone and let him score. He hasn't scored yet this year. But that's the only real reason to consider starting him is that, oh yeah, the Vikings can do whatever they

Starting point is 00:47:08 want in this game. Maybe Hawkinson gets his touchdown. I've got them outside of my top 12. And the Minnesota DST has been struggling lately. They are top six, six for Jamie, third for Dave, fifth for Heath. I hate DSTs this whole year. I don't like them. Green Bay's at Seattle. I need to rate them out of your fantasy leagues next year. The Raven DSTs this whole year. I don't like them. Green Bay is at Seattle. I need to rate them out of your fantasy leagues next year. The Ravens I'm very excited about. I have them in a few leagues this week. No, Commissioner Azer, are you going to take DSTs out of your leagues next year? No, I don't think so. It's just there's not a single DST that I think is match-up proof this year.

Starting point is 00:47:45 Not a single one. No, that's true. Green Bay at Seattle. And speaking of improving defenses here, the Seattle Seahawks in their little four-and-one stretch over the last five games, they're either fifth or sixth in points per game, yards per game, yards per play allowed. They've been really good. And it's not like they faced nothing teams.

Starting point is 00:48:05 They faced Rams, Niners, Arizona, Jets, Arizona. So they're doing really well. But with that said, here is your scary stat of the game. Okay, I'm gonna scare you Friday the 13th. I'm gonna scare you off of JSN. Such an obvious must start. Well, he has 16 targets in his last three games. Metcalf has 20 and he's been very efficient,

Starting point is 00:48:34 but his target shares, his target shares have been 25%, 13.8%, 17.2%. Geno Smith has 30 to 31 pass attempts in all three games. That's not a profile of a must start player. Anybody scared about JSN now? I think if he was getting more targets, we'd be talking about him as a top 10 receiver based on just his production and the role that he has and how he's performing. I think he's just a good number two receiver.

Starting point is 00:49:04 You know, so when you start to put him up against, let's say CD lamb, for example, who's getting targets but not scoring touchdowns consistently, or Drake London, who's now gone through this three, four game touchdown less streak, you know, like that's kind of where JSN is living. So if you if you believe in volume and expecting those guys to break out of their slumps, you're starting them over day. So if you're looking at JSN as just, okay, he's just been awesome in this stretch,

Starting point is 00:49:27 like keep me in your line. So he's just a really good number two wide receiver. If he ever gets to a point where he's getting consistently eight plus targets, my gosh, he could be an absolute monster. And I'm hopeful that Green Bay will score some points and make Geno Smith throw a little bit more. But you guys do not have Jordan Love as a starter. The bottom line is this team has morphed into a run team. They are one of those run heavy offenses and Jordan loves just not throwing that much.

Starting point is 00:49:54 Josh Jacobs is obviously a must start. So the Green Bay wide receivers, who's your favorite one, Dave? I believe I still have Reed ranked the highest, but all of them are outside of my top 36. Is that because Dobbs is back and you're expecting fewer snaps from that's with Dobbs out. And if Dobbs plays, I don't see how any one of them can crack the top 36. It's because of what you just said, they're becoming much more of a running team. And also when, when everybody's healthy, and even when they're not all healthy, the targets are spread around or sometimes you just don't get a lot of targets.

Starting point is 00:50:30 Exhibit A, Jayden Reed last week, I have trust issues with all of these wide receivers. However, if I am down big and desperate, Christian Watson is one of those wide receivers that's got sky high upside, he can get 12 PPR points in one play, I would consider him over a less appealing wide receiver that doesn't have crazy high volume, someone like DK Metcalf, if I was desperate to get somebody who is, in case I'm desperate, I'm down big,

Starting point is 00:51:02 I need to make a play, that's the type of move I would make. No one's down big. That's the good thing. You might be, you might have a low score. No, but no one's down big. If you've started, you know, Stafford and Cooper Cup and. I told you, I started one league.

Starting point is 00:51:15 I have one league where I start Purdy and two Rams receivers, I'm down big. Yeah, right, but at least you got something out of Puka. But there are some people that didn't even get that. And so if you look at the projections and you see you're a 30% favorite to win or whatever, that's when I would consider making the pivot to Watson. Okay. Um, starters at Tucker craft. Very similar to Laporta, uh, slightly ahead of Hawkinson and, um, and Kincaid, you know,

Starting point is 00:51:41 he's, he's touchdown dependent. I think whenever you have Romeo Dobbs back and look last week's game, you got lucky three catches, 41 yards and a touchdown against Detroit, you know, so he's, uh, he's going to see probably a slight dip in targets. For this question here, I would go with Laporta over Kraft and Kraft over Hawkins. Okay. So he has one game with six plus targets in his last four. And that was without dogs. All right. So sit Geno Smith and Zach Charbonneau is a no doubt about it. Start if Walker's out. Jamie, what's your take on this backfield? If Walker's in, it's going to be messy, you know, just because I think we'll see a less than 100%, um, less than 100% Walker and does Charbonneau get more work, at least for this week, until they

Starting point is 00:52:29 make sure Walker is right. The best case scenario is Walker sits and you don't have to worry about the headache. So you know you can replace Walker ahead of time and you know you can get a superstar performance potentially for Zach Charbonneau. So that's the best case scenario at this point. You don't want to see Ken Walker play this week. I have Walker in a few leagues where I don't have Sharper day. I don't want to deal with that headache of Walker not being a hundred percent. Yeah. I have Walker and

Starting point is 00:52:51 Ramon Dre Stevenson and it would be when she's usually not a tough call. It would be a tough call. Walker is going to play. We'll have to see what the reports say. I doubt it. I right now, I don't think he's going to play. Um, but, uh, I actually didn't ask this. I totally skipped over the lions running backs. As of right now, would you start Zach Charbonneau over either or both of the Lions running backs? Yep, I would. Okay.

Starting point is 00:53:13 I'd start Charbonneau over Jacobs. I mean, he's usually not this. I would too. He's usually not as good as he was last week, obviously, but three games this year without Ken Walker. He has scored 17.9, 25.7, and 38.3 fantasy points in full PPR. It's unbelievable.

Starting point is 00:53:30 All right, Seattle wide receivers, no on locket. Yes on JSN. JSN or Jordan Addison? JSN. Agreed. And DK Metcalf is a number three wide receiver for you guys. Low end.

Starting point is 00:53:47 Yeah. Okay. I don't really have much else to say. Packers allow the ninth fewest fantasy points to wide receivers, so they haven't even been that good of a matchup. And Alexander hasn't been playing consistently. He's practicing full this week, Jyler Alexander. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:54:01 And that's gonna hurt Metcalf even more. Evan Williams is, I think he's been missing practice this week though but Jailer Alexander has missed most of the games and Only okay in their last eight games Green Bay has allowed more than 65 yards to only two wide receivers That's pretty impressive. They've been good I think it's four touchdowns to wide receivers in their past five games and good two of those were Tim Patrick Yeah, seriously and then like of those were Tim Patrick seriously

Starting point is 00:54:26 and then like one of those Tim Patrick plays easily the type of play that DK Metcalf could score and actually both of them Metcalf is good enough to win in short yardage but I just I'm I'm nervous about Metcalf overall I'm worried about Gino and I I'm starting to kind of get the feeling that this could be more of a defensive game. Yep. Offensive game. Yeah, I hope the total is for this one. And I'm glad you didn't pick this for game of the week.

Starting point is 00:54:53 I thought about it. This game. I wonder if this game lets us down like the Thursday night one. Maybe not to that extent. It's a 46 point total. It's pretty hot. Yeah, I think the under is going to come in. Okay, I could see it. Defenses are playing well, especially

Starting point is 00:55:06 Seattle's, but there's a lot of firepower on this field. Jordan Love is interesting. If you could just tell me he's going to throw 30 times, he's a start, but it just does not happen anymore. He's still playing pretty well. All right, we're going to take a break. New England at Arizona when we come back on fantasy football today. The all new fan dual sports book and casino is bringing you more action than ever. Want more ways to follow your faves? Check out our new player prop on fantasy football today. with Bandula Sports Book and Casino. Gambling Problem? Call 1-866-531-2600. Visit connexontario.ca. As a FIZ member, you can look forward to...

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Starting point is 00:56:25 to be automatically sent to your matches. Then sit back and let your matches start the chat. Download Bumble and try it for yourself. Uh-oh, scary stat of the game for New England at Arizona. Hunter Henry fans, beware. That was too quick, we gotta. Arizona has held Dalton Kincaid, Sam Laporta, Zach Ertz, Tucker Craft,

Starting point is 00:56:52 John Oosmith, and TJ Hockinson to six or fewer PPR fantasy points. They did give up big games, big games, to George Kittle and Will Disley, but for the most part, Arizona's been very good against tight ends. Anybody afraid of Hunter Henry this week? Hunter, like Jason Voorhees? If you, if you look at it, there's only been, I think it's three, but it might be two and

Starting point is 00:57:19 the two that you referenced of tight ends that have had six plus targets against the Cardinals. And so they don't see a lot of volume from that position. So that's the one thing that benefits Henry is he's most likely to get volume is that eight plus targets in three of his last four games and pretty consistently around eight targets with Drake may starting. So based on his role in the offense and how much they will lean on him, I think Hunter Henry still has a shot to be a top 10 tight end. Now you have to worry about the random Hunter, uh, uh, Austin, who were touchdown, which has, you know, hurt us a little

Starting point is 00:57:50 bit over the last, you know, three or four games. But I think just based on his role in the offense and understanding what he should be able to do, I'm going to still start him as a top eight tight end. So I like Zach Earth's better, you know, in terms of guys that are potentially available or potentially available or potentially available, but behind like the slam dunk must start guys, I think Hunter Henry is still in that conversation. Hunter Henry is basically their number one wide receiver.

Starting point is 00:58:13 He's averaging 7.6 targets per game in his past five. That's all with Drake May. Drake May is also an interesting flyer here because he runs so much in his starts. He's averaging 41.6 rushing yards per game in his eight starts. He left one of those games early, so he could have kind of a crummy game

Starting point is 00:58:32 and end up with 20 or more points. And I was wondering, why did these guys like Kyler Murray so much? Well, here's our non-scary stat of the game. He's only had one matchup all year against a team that currently ranks bottom 10 in fantasy points allowed to opposing quarterbacks. So Kyler's actually had a pretty tough schedule. I didn't realize that. He scored 34.5 fantasy points in that game was against the Rams. The Patriots are just

Starting point is 00:58:53 awful against quarterbacks. So you guys do like Kyler. I think you said you like the last three guys against them. Stafford, Tua, and Anthony Richardson, and they all went nuts. Yeah. And Kyler. So you guys like him better than golf? No, the four point, yes, and six points, no, but they're so close. All right. And so for the Patriots, it's Henry, we're not going to start a wide receiver. We're not going to start May, but what about Ramondre? Somebody said in the chat, see if I can find it, something like, oh, here it is. Jamie, you have Ramondre Stevenson, one spot behind Marvin Harrison, but everybody else has at least 10 spots between those two.

Starting point is 00:59:29 Why so close between Ramandre and Marvin? I mean, you look at first off what happened to this Cardinals run defense last week, you know, in and Stevenson's coming back from a game with fresh legs. I don't think he's a slam dunk start by any stretch, but he is a top 24 running back. And what has Marvin Harrison done to say he's like, oh my gosh, he's that great? He's had very up and down performances this season. So to me, they're very similar type of players. You're hoping for one of them to find the end zone. I think this is a game where Stevenson will hopefully get 15 to 20 total touches.

Starting point is 00:59:58 I don't think necessarily this is a game where the Cardinals run away from the Patriots early. I think they'll pull away late. So I think Stevenson has an opportunity in the beginning part of the game to be somewhat trustworthy and look, if he scores, you're going to be happy about it. I don't think he can come anywhere close to what Charbonne did last time though. I mean, Charbonne had seven catches, had almost 200 total yards and 22 carries. Like it's got to be- I think 50% of that, it's a great day for Stevenson.

Starting point is 01:00:22 I agree, but it's got to be that specific game script for Ramadre Stevenson. And if it's not anywhere close to that specific game script where the Patriots are playing in a close game or have a lead, then he's terrible. He doesn't even play. And if we, if we're thinking Arizona is going to just run the ball well and Kyler's going to have a great game, then what are the odds that Ramadre can come through? I think he's more of a touchdown or bust type of fantasy running back, low end number two rusher for me this week. I'm starting Doudle over him. I'm starting Rashad White if there's any clear over him. I would have started Gerendo over him. I proved a mistake. James Cook? Sorry, James Cook over him. I haven't decided yet on the Jets running backs versus Ramadre. If there's one guy that I think can continue, if Isaiah Davis, if I think he can continue to pick up those high value touches,

Starting point is 01:01:10 I will start him over Remandre as well. All right. I'm not there, but he's right in that, right behind Cook and Taylor, right in the same, you know, canoe with Najee Harris and since you're McCormick and the jet guy. See, Tyrone Tracy and Tracy. Yep. I was anybody didn't see what I was doing was rowing, canoeing, paddling questions from the chat. Kyrie Irving or Kyrie Irving, Kyler Murray, Kyler Murray or Jamis Winston? Kyler. I believe I have Jamis higher, Kyler Murray, Kyler Murray or Jamis Winston?

Starting point is 01:01:45 Kyler. I believe I have Jamis higher than Kyler. Kyler Murray or Tua Tunga-Vai-Loa? Tua in six points, Kyler in four. I'll take Tua either way. And let's see what else we got in this game. James Connor is a start. Marvin Harrison, we haven't mentioned Christian Gonzalez

Starting point is 01:02:03 and I'm glad Heath is here because he would scoff at me for mentioning Christian Gonzalez, but I think Christian Gonzalez is very good and I do think he's gonna follow Harrison a lot and make things difficult on him. Right. We'll see. Are you sure that he's not gonna follow Trey McBride a lot? I'm pretty confident that it will be Harrison,

Starting point is 01:02:20 but no, I'm not sure and start Trey McBride. I guess I'll do, Harrison's always someone we get a lot of questions about. So I'll do some more Harrison ones. Marvin Harrison or AJ Brown and Devonte Smith. Brown, Harrison, Smith. That's how I have it. Marvin Harrison. Harrison much closer to Smith.

Starting point is 01:02:40 Darnell Mooney or Marvin Harrison. Mooney, same. So definitely London over him. How about Jaconey or Marvin Harrison? Mooney. Same. So definitely London over him. How about Jacoby Myers or Harrison? Jacoby. How about Sincere McCormick or Marvin Harrison in half PPR? Ew. I'll take Marvin. I'll take McCormick if Aiden O'Connell plays. All right. Let's go to, oh, Arizona's DST is top eight. You can start them top four for Dave and Jamie. Dallas is at Carolina. Uh-oh.

Starting point is 01:03:10 And if you have a buy, pick up the Cardinals defense now, if you haven't done so already. Giant, who do they have next week? Not the Giants. The Panthers. Panthers. Panthers are getting pretty, pretty high. It's still like, this could be a good two game stretch

Starting point is 01:03:22 for the Cardinals DST. I might pick them up if I can't get my hands on the Falcons. Who have the Giants. Yes. Yes. Scary stat of the game about CD Lamb. Uh-oh.

Starting point is 01:03:36 In their last five games, Mike Evans, who had a huge game against Carolina, is the only wide receiver with more than 50 yards against the Panthers. Hit that up again. This includes the Saints with a backup quarterback and Olavi getting injured, but also Malik neighbors, the Andre Hopkins, AJ Brown and Devante Smith. Did I scare anybody off of CD lamb?

Starting point is 01:03:56 No, good. Because you're talking about teams that doesn't throw the ball out in those matches. Yes, actually. Cooper Rush in his last four games, now he was absolutely horrible. I'm throwing out that Philadelphia game. It was so bad. But his last four games, he has the third most pass attempts in the NFL, the ninth most passing yards. He throws very short all the time. They get very few chunk plays, but a ton of targets for CD Lam. So Lam is a start for you guys. I think I maybe asked you this earlier, but Doudel or Lam, who's better?

Starting point is 01:04:24 Lam and PPR, Doudel everywhere else. I have Lamb higher in PPR. All right. I'm excited for that. I think we're all probably excited for Doudel. We see the trends. He's getting a lot of carries. They're playing competitive games and he's got another good matchup.

Starting point is 01:04:37 I doubt there's going to be any interest in Brandon Cooks. What about Jake Ferguson? Anybody like Jake Ferguson this week against the team that gives up the most fantasy points to tight ends? It's a very similar situation with Hunter Henry with I like Ferguson a little bit better than the Porta and the other guys we talked about craft and those guys. He hasn't scored a touchdown yet this season. So take that into account if you're

Starting point is 01:04:59 talking non PPR but the matchup is like you said, it's so good. And so hopefully he does take advantage of it. And we see the best of Jake Ferguson. I wish they would have used him a little bit more earlier in the game last week. I don't know how much of that was, you know, shake the rust off from the two game layoff with the concussion. He finished with six targets.

Starting point is 01:05:15 Hopefully that will be the floor. This is a great breakout game coming for Jake Ferguson if they lean on him. And I think they will. Top 10 fantasy PPR tight end. Now someone in our chat, Doug said that JC horn is out. That is actually not true. He is limited. Out on the field, crushing it.

Starting point is 01:05:38 That's a big deal, but it's not really going to change your, uh, your, wait, is he out for real? He's limited in practice. It's not true. It was wrong. Um, all right. On the other side of the ball. Oh, yes, we're playing well, though. Yeah. Chuba Hubbard. Why is it that? I mean, this might be a waste of time, but I'll ask anyway. Dave, give me 15 seconds on this. Why is it that Chuba Hubbard is clearly better than Rico Dowdell? They're both starts, but everyone's got Hubbard ahead. Adam Backer Might have more work, certainly has the better body of work compared to Rico. The matchup is good against Dallas. On top of that, Demarvian Overshown being out,

Starting point is 01:06:15 I think that hurts the Cowboys. We know that Hubbard can contribute in the passing game. And who's going to take him off the field? You know, there are moments, there aren't a lot of moments, but there are moments when Rico leaves and it's Hunter Lepke and Ezekiel Elliott, speaking of Friday the 13th, they're playing and Doudel isn't. But all the other running backs are hurt in Carolina and Chuba's been playing awesome this year. I had a hard time keeping him out of my top 12. Jameer Gibbs or Chuba Hubbard? It's Gibbs. I had a hard time keeping him out of my top 12.

Starting point is 01:06:48 Jameer Gibbs or Chuba Hubbard? It's Gibbs. Hubbard for me. I've got Hubbard over Montgomery. Montgomery has been catching more passes than Gibbs. It's, I'm tempted to. I play Montgomery over Gibbs too? Yeah, I don't have that decision to make, but. Yeah, I had that last week.

Starting point is 01:07:01 I don't have it this week. Okay, it's Adam Thielen. He is a top 24 ish, right? 26 wide receiver. He's a little bit lower on Thielen, but it's just with what he did against Phil with Elfie. It's funny. I was thinking about like these guys who just run short area routes a lot and play out of the slot and of, of what, okay. Yeah, sorry, sorry. You can correct me. But these kinds of guys, they almost feel like a little matchup proof because they're not going to get shut down by a cornerback or anything like that. But no, and I'm not going to correct you on that. That's true. But of his 11 targets last week, six of them

Starting point is 01:07:37 were on passes of 12 plus area arts. So Thielen isn't just, you know, run four yards, turn around, get the target, try and make a play after the catch. He's used downfield a little bit. And his route running and the way that he uses leverage against defensive backs, it buys him a step still. So he's not fast. Don't make any mistake about that, but he can still get open. He can still make plays. And I think he's going to continue to see a large volume of targets from Bryce Young who for what it's worth not playing great football, but he's better. And because he's better that helps Thielen kick down the door of getting

Starting point is 01:08:16 north of 15 PPR points. I think he's a borderline number two fantasy whiteout. I'm gonna read some feeling questions and we'll move on. Feeling or waddle non PPR. Man, they got one touchdown each, I think in the last three weeks. Yeah. To me, feeling is the slam dunk in full PPR. I have feeling one spot ahead of waddle and non PPR. To me, they're very similar in both formats. I think you just, Thielin's the clear cut number one guy there. Waddle can clearly disappear. Thielin or Jamison Williams?

Starting point is 01:08:51 Thielin. Same. Thielin or Khalil Shakir? Shakir, but they're again, similar. Yeah, they're the same guy. Okay, next game. Back to my PP rankings. Washington's at New Orleans.

Starting point is 01:09:03 I already gave the scariest out of the game. Camaro only 30 carries and three games without Derek Carr. All of them were losses by 18 or more points. Also think Kendrick Miller gave them a little spark last week and could factor in. What are you thinking about Camaro, Jamie? I'm nervous. You know, I, I started the week with him ranked 18th. I moved him up to around 14th. Just concerned, you know, So non PPR, he is very scary because just no touchdowns, like you said, so the catches don't matter.

Starting point is 01:09:29 So he's a low end number two running back in non PPR. He's a mid tier running back in PPR because while he has been great in the stretch, as you alluded to, he's been in like 12 to 15 point range. So the couple of games where he was at 12, that's really disappointing. And this Washington defense has rested coming off of bye week. They are, you know, somewhat competent against the run. They haven't been slammed dunk against the run, but it's also

Starting point is 01:09:52 the quarterback situation. Like that's the scariest thing about this. And you wonder if first off, how much is this illness going to be a problem? You know, we've seen these situations creep up here and there with some guys, not 100%. They have nothing to play for at this point. He signed his contract extension. He's done everything that this team could have asked for from him this year, 29 years old. He's certainly done everything fantasy managers could have asked for when you call them the

Starting point is 01:10:14 biggest sleeper of the year. So he's come through in a big way. I just wonder if not 100% want to see a little bit more of Kendre Miller, don't want to risk him getting hurt with a backup quarterback there. Like I'm a little concerned, you know, so like we were doing an all concern team, he'd be on the all concerned team. He had the five star lock matchup of the week last week. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:10:39 Did not come through anywhere close to expectations against the Giants. Now it's the commanders who have allowed 11 or fewer PPR points to running backs in four of their past five games. Only Saquon on a short week was able to crunch up on the commanders. I am nervous. He is a number two fantasy running back and not even like top half even in full PPR. And if he's going to keep losing like valuable touches to Kendra Miller, then it's, I'm kind of looking for the exit door here.

Starting point is 01:11:10 I'm starting to doubt all over him. But again, again, this is the good thing with Kamara. First of all, it's not a certainty that he's gonna lose these high value touches to Miller. They were both in on the play, was first and goal at the eight yard line. Miller scored a touchdown. But in the last seven games, he has not scored.

Starting point is 01:11:26 He's on pace for 1,839 total yards and 87 catches. He is number 17 per game and half PPR, number 13 per game and full PPR, without a touchdown in his last seven games. That is a hell of a floor. However, another factor here that just goes against him. I don't know that even you should care, but Dan Quinn, one of his specialties on defense, they are always great.

Starting point is 01:11:53 The Cowboys and now the Commanders against pass catching running backs. They give up the fourth fewest receiving yards past catching running backs. He had a good receiving game against the Chiefs and they're even better. But that's just another thing working against Alvin Camara. And so, and so he's a tough call in this game. The commander's guys are really not tough calls. You guys have Jayden Daniels as a top four quarterback, Brian Robinson, you guys like plenty. Terry McLaurin is a must start guy. He's top 12 for everybody. Actually 20th for Heath and full PPR, but top 12 for you guys. And Zach Ertz is top nine for everybody. So it's really just Camara.

Starting point is 01:12:28 I think is the only tough call in this game. I've seen some questions about Juwan Johnson, but we're really getting away from him if we can. Right. I think you should just until you see one game with the quarterback situation, if you can afford it clearly it's playoff time. So, you know, like if, if the choice was Dalton Schultz or Juwan Johnson, I'm going Dalton Schultz based on his matchup. If the choice is Joanne Johnson or Colt Comet, I'm going Joanne Johnson,

Starting point is 01:12:50 you know, just because Comet's been such a disappearing act. So look, somebody's gonna have to catch passes here. Hopefully it's going to be Joanne Johnson. Hopefully it's going to be Camaro. Uh, Johnson or Kinkade is a question we have here. I mean, Kinkade's obviously somewhat safer because of his quarterback, but again, shake the rust off game. This is a coin toss to me. You know, so I probably lean toward offense and go with Kincaid. Right. I'm going to lean toward offense quarterback and probably the game

Starting point is 01:13:16 that'll be more high scoring. I asked for some Camara questions in the chat. I think we've got a couple of easy ones. Camara or Swift. Camaro. Camaro. Camaro or McCormick. Camaro. A to the K. Yeah. Camaro or DK Metcalf. Camaro. Alvin.

Starting point is 01:13:32 Camaro or Rico Dowdell or Brian Thomas Jr. Half PPR. Half is tough. Half is definitely tough. I would go with Dowdell and half. I might take, I'm definitely taking both Dowdell and Thomas over Camara. Yeah. I might do that full PPR too, man. Sorry. Camara or Jacoby Myers. Kobe. I'll still go Camara there. If it's, if it's Ritter.

Starting point is 01:14:00 All right. Baltimore's at the Giants, our last game. Uh-oh. I don't like this one. How come you say uh-oh every time? Scary stuff. Scary stat of the game. Ready? I'm gonna scare you off Lamar Jackson. No quarterback has scored more than 25 points against the Giants all season. Four straight have scored 18 or fewer.

Starting point is 01:14:21 Yeah? Isn't that weird? They just lost a starting safety for the season. But Tyler Raven's done. Yeah. Yeah. Still Amar Jackson. That's a good call.

Starting point is 01:14:33 All right. Here's scarier stat. So I looked at the Ravens wins by 10 or more points because what do we say? They're 16 point favorites on the road. Jackson's been great in all three of these games. They have three wins by 10 or more points. Derek Henry's been 25 or more fantasy points in all three of them. It's flowers and Andrews who have really struggled. Flowers has two, one and six targets in those

Starting point is 01:14:57 three games. Andrews has one, four and two targets. Each of them has one huge game and two absolutely dreadful games. And you know where it is, right? It's just a pass attempts thing. How much are they going to have to throw? So we're starting Jackson. We're starting Henry. What about flowers and Andrews Dave? I'm starting Andrews. He's just absolutely locked in as a red zone target for Lamar Jackson. I think they'll get into the red zone against the Giants. Zay Flowers is the one who makes me nervous because if Lamar doesn't have to throw that

Starting point is 01:15:31 much, I'm worried about just what type of target volume there will be for Zay Flowers. I know that when they're in the red zone and inside the 10, Zay Flowers isn't the same type of priority. And so he's in that flex conversation for me, not, not a top 24 wide receiver. Mark Andrews or Sam Laporta. Mark Andrews, Zach Ertz or Mark Andrews. Ertz. Andrews.

Starting point is 01:15:57 All right. Flowers or Addison. Jordan Flowers or Jamison Williams. Jamo flowers. Flowers or neighbors. Oh, you answered that one earlier, but we'll do it again. Neighbors. I have neighbors higher. All right, so let's go over to the giant side of the ball. I really don't want to start Tyrone Tracy.

Starting point is 01:16:21 No kidding. Even though DeVito does throw to running backs a lot in the one game he played with Tommy DeVito, he had, what was that? That was Tampa Bay. He had nine carries and four catches, but only nine fantasy points. And they got blown out. They were down like 31, nothing or something in that game. So that was a bad example, but it could very well happen again.

Starting point is 01:16:45 And then neighbors Yeah, I'm okay with neighbors. You guys have them around 27 30th something like that. Let's do some let's do some overrunners and I'm making these numbers up So this isn't anything in a sports book the Jamie Eisenberg sports book Yeah, we're gonna have sacks for the Ravens Over oh, he said that theito takes a ton of sacks. So yeah, I'll go over. Okay.

Starting point is 01:17:08 One and a half interceptions for DeVito. Under. Under. He doesn't throw interceptions. Two and a half fumbles for the guys. You're gonna get sacked too much. Two and a half fumbles, I'll take the under. That's so many fumbles.

Starting point is 01:17:22 Like in the game? The team. Yeah, under. Tracy will have a fumble, DeVito, yeah in the game and the team. Yeah. Under Tracy will have a fumble to Vita. Yeah. I'll take the under if it was one and a half. I might take the over. Let's go one and a half.

Starting point is 01:17:32 You go over. Yeah. I might take the over there. What a friendly sports. Just change the lines. Take the under. I'll take the under nine and a half total points for the Giants under. I'll say they get.

Starting point is 01:17:45 Ridiculous to go under there, but yeah. Give me like some neighbors props. Let's go four and a half catches. Over. Yeah. But not, but under four and a half yards. Okay. 55 and a half yards.

Starting point is 01:18:03 I was gonna suggest 60. Perfect number. I'll take the. Yeah, that's a good number. I was going to suggest 60. Perfect number. I'll take the... Yeah, that's a good number. I'll take the slightly over. I will too. And half touchdown. Oh, on the way under.

Starting point is 01:18:13 He won't even get a quarter of a touchdown. Minus 400 for that. Wait a minute, he did get a third of a touchdown last week. Oh, he had a two pointer? That's right. Jerry, Judy, your neighbors. That's right. Jerry, Judy or neighbors. That's easy. That's neighbors.

Starting point is 01:18:27 Neighbors are downs. What? I'm sorry. That's Judy. Judy, Judy, Judy. Neighbors are downs. Downs. I'll take downs.

Starting point is 01:18:35 Am I a good neighbor? Yes, I am a good neighbor. I think I am anyway. Devante Smith or Malik neighbors? Neighbors and PPR. He's one spot ahead of Smith for me. Neighbors is. Neighbors are since last week.

Starting point is 01:18:43 I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. Uh, Devante Smith or Malik neighbors, neighbors and PPR. He's one spot ahead of Smith for me. Neighbors is neighbors or sincere McCormick half PPR. I'll take sincere. I'll take neighbors. And then someone actually asked Tracy or sincere McCormick in full PPR. It's neighbors and start feeling over neighbors. Okay. Uh, neighbors or Najee Harris. Last question for

Starting point is 01:19:09 today. Najee. That is it for fantasy football today. Good luck everybody except for Jamie in the fantasy football today league and the other one. Stop. All right. UmBS Sports Network, Friday, 1 p.m. Eastern. Watch us talk about week 15 all over again. Yes, Gamer Eric, you should pick up the Falcons. They face the Giants next week. I know. For Dave and Jamie and Claire, I'm Adam. Have a great day.

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