Fantasy Football Today - Start or Sit (NFC): AJ Brown, Tee Higgins, Cowboys-Bears Bonanza and More! (09/19 Fantasy Football Podcast)
Episode Date: September 19, 2025Recapping Dolphins-Bills to start the show and wondering if Tyreek Hill is a sell or a hold and if Keon Coleman can be trusted. Then we've got news and notes (12:30) as several key players could be o...ut this week ... One Question for Each Game (19:50)! Start or Sit Tee Higgins? Chris Olave? Jauan Jennings? Javonte Williams? ... Start or Sit for Bengals-Vikings (28:40), Cowboys-Bears (36:50), Raiders-Commanders (45:30), Rams-Eagles (54:30), Falcons-Panthers (1:04:30), Saints-Seahawks (1:09:40) and Cardinals-49ers (1:14:35) ... Email us at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Shop our store: shop.cbssports.com/fantasy SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179 FOLLOW FFT Dynasty on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1 SUBSCRIBE to FFT DFS on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dfs/id1579415837 FOLLOW FFT DFS on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5zU7pBvGK3KPhfb69Q1hNr?si=1c5030a3b1a64be2 Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Happy Friday, Dave and Jamie.
You guys have a case of the Fridays?
What are the Fridays?
It's the opposite of the Mondays, you know.
It's joy, it's excitement, anticipation for the weekend.
Jamie got a fresh haircut.
um he's ready to hit the town running it's that he's ready to watch his florida gators play football
on saturday night i'm not watching congratulations you guys are great oh look at this you should watch
you should watch i promise you i will not watch why i believe you that you won't watch but we we have
no chance i bet you'll look at your phone at least i bet you i'm going to text you during the
game and if it's a close game i'm sure i'll hear back and you'll say yeah i'm watching i
Let me rephrase.
I will not watch unless somebody from Florida text me.
So I was asking Dave online, we were chatting, G-chatting.
I said, are you going to the game on Saturday?
And he said, what do you say?
I have tickets, but I'm giving them to Jamie so he can take his son.
I said, really?
He goes, are you freaking kidding me?
Of course I'm going to the game.
He's like, I'd never do that.
So it was a nice thought, at least, even in sarcasm.
Anyway, I think you got a great time.
Enjoy the win.
Everybody's in a very good mood in the chat.
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Buffalo 31, Miami, 21.
Dave, major takeaways from what was a good competitive game
until the late interception?
I thought this game went,
I thought the game was going to go this way.
I thought the dolphins were going to be competitive and they were.
I'm a little worried about the Buffalo defense
evolving into a shutdown defense.
maybe that's easy to say because they played without Ed Oliver and Matt Milano and their
cornerback depth is a little shaky right now.
But typical Bill's offense really hasn't changed that much from last year.
A lot of James Cook, Josh Allen doing great things without high passing volume.
I thought he'd throw a little bit more.
Obviously thought my guy Keon Coleman would get more than four targets in the game.
That stunk.
Concade with some great plays in the game, more than made up for it and help Buffalo out.
And then for the dolphins, maybe some encouraging signs.
for Waddle and Tyreek, but in the end, it's Tua and the offense, making a mistake that the
bills capitalized on that cost them a chance to tie the game.
Jamie, your takeaways?
I mean, I agree mostly.
It's one of those situations, I think, with Buffalo's passing game, where two of three
games, Kincaid has been a little bit more involved, you know, when they've thrown the ball more
than, you know, 25 times.
It was 27, 20 attempts for Allen.
But I think in terms of the past catchers, it's going to be tough to consider any of them must start guys, aside from maybe Kincaid because of the position he plays.
So Dave said something yesterday, which was interesting on HQ, that he put Hawkinson at tight end 12 because there was not anybody else really to put there.
I'm paraphrasing, but something to that's that.
And it's kind of like, as I think we're now three weeks into the season, you know, you're looking at who's involved, who has a chance to, you know, be a playmaker, who has a chance.
chance to, you know, maybe help your fantasy team.
I think Kincaid's in that conversation at that position.
But really from the rest of the guys, it's, it will be interesting to see if Coleman
is dropped in 10 team leagues.
I don't think you should drop him in 12 team leagues.
And Shakir was in the portion of the waiver wire of if he's available at him, mostly for
10 team leagues on our site.
I'm sure he's available on other sites.
Two of three solid games for him, you know, so can he be somebody?
like we saw last year.
But I think Dave said it best.
It's kind of just the same Bill's offense
that we are used to watching.
And once again,
Dalton Kincaid is having a pretty high
target per route run rate, 23%.
If you remember what I was saying
about Tucker Kraft,
if you want to be a 13 point per game tight end,
you pretty much have to get to 23,
22, 23 usually percent target per route run rate.
And that's where Kincaid is,
which leads the team.
But it doesn't really run that many routes.
He's running only 61.
percent of the routes same problem last year i think it might be a little higher this year the
route participation rate it was pretty high last night he had 20 routes on looks like well it's
28 pass attempts so that's 20 of 28 that's that's basically well that's 75 percent right so that yeah
that is better um but he still played only about half the snaps but they just spread the ball around
so much you know that's kind of what i was getting at it's look at the target shares it's just so
even the distributed, basically, you know, from Coleman down to Palmer.
Okay.
All right.
So a few questions here.
One, James Cook.
We valued him as a round three guy.
He's going into the week, the number one running back in fantasy, and he scores almost 20 points.
So he might come out of the week as the number one running back in fantasy.
Are we buying that James Cook is a top five running back?
Yep.
How could you not?
Agree.
Okay.
Are we buying that Tyree Kill is a must start?
He's probably a must start because the state of the wide receivers,
but do you think he's got a great season in him?
You think he's got a good season?
What do we think about Tyree Kill going forward?
I think any time he has a productive game,
you should be looking to sell just because of the Dolphins state right now
of potential blowing it up.
And if they do blow it up, does trading him help him or does it hurt him?
you know so if he gets and it's a very difficult contract to trade so keep that in mind but if if they do trade him
you know the two teams that you've heard are kansas city and pittsberg well if kansas city is fully healthy and
fully everybody's available meaning rashi rice is playing is that a good thing for them are they you know
adding to their team because it's great for their chiefs is that great for his fantasy value just because he's being reunited with patch malls
and the other team would be pittsberg is that a situation where you think he's going to maximize his fantasy value
No.
So I would think that if you can trade him at this point.
So, you know, revisit your Cortland Sutton, Tyreek Hill Trade.
If Sutton has another good game this week, who would you rather have rest of season?
Well, I turned it down.
You know, after week one, I was all about trading Tyreek for Sutton.
I think it's honestly the domestic violence allegations.
I don't know where this is going to go.
The NFL is obviously notoriously slow when it comes to these types of things.
But I can't completely eliminate the idea that he gets suspended.
not sitting here saying he's going to get suspended, but it's on the back of my mind.
The fact that they mentioned it on the broadcast last night was a little telling.
They did or did not?
They did.
Yeah, I don't know what to make of it, but they're very even to me.
I will say this, and I'll see if you guys agree with me.
He looks really good out there.
How many near big plays did they have with him?
He had a drop, wasn't an easy play.
He had a drop on a deep ball.
He was wide open on that out route and two has sailed it over his head at a bounce.
Two has been awful on these throws, but Tyree Kill is still destroying cornerbacks, getting open, doing backflips.
I'm sorry, I think he looks great out there, so I'm encouraged.
And as I mentioned when I was watching the tape, especially against the Colts, which was a bad game for him, they have had opportunities of Tyree Kill.
He still is getting open.
I still think he could have a big season.
And so far, you know, two of three games have been good.
So I'm not, I don't think he's washed up.
I will just say that.
I don't think, in fact, I'm adamant that he is not.
I still think to answer your question, if he stays, nothing, no trade, no, no, anything,
just he's on the field with the Miami Dolphins.
Yes, he's a must-star receiver.
Is he a must-star receiver of a Zach Wilson at quarterback?
No.
Probably so, right?
No.
Just it doesn't get any better.
That's bad.
I still think that if he's going to command the most targets and he can make plays
after the catch and Zach Wilson
might be able to find him a few times deep
not each week, but like over
the course of a month maybe. I think you'll
still start him. Maybe not with the same type of
confidence, but you said it like Tua hasn't
been playing well. No.
Did you agree with my assessment though? I'm really going to be from
two to Zach Wilson. Could it be a total disaster?
I don't know if it'll be that bad. Do you agree with my
assessment though that? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He definitely isn't washed.
He's playing great. He's
got a good target share.
He just needs more accurate throws going
his way. There's something I can look up real quick. Come back to me. And then there's Waddle who just
feels like you've been pretty lucky if you've been starting Jalen Waddle. It seemed like he was
going to be a dud until the touchdown. Five catches, 39 yards. Got a couple of the last
drive or the second the last drive. A. Chan is just dominant. He looked good though when they
throw it to him. He's good. Catchable target rates for Tyreek Hill in his three games against the
Holtz, it was 83.3.
Bills last night, 80%.
I'm going out of order.
I'm sorry, assume me.
85.7% for New England.
You'd still prefer that catchable target rate to be higher.
Right.
It's not great.
Mid-80s isn't great.
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News and notes.
Are you at this point expecting Brock Purdy for the 49ers against Arizona?
It's clearly trending in the right direction.
And it's funny because I have a couple of Borough leagues where Jared Gough was available.
So I picked up Gough as the long-term answer.
And I'm waiting for my short-term answer for this week.
And Purdy's available in a couple of these leagues, too.
So I'm kind of just waiting to see if he plays.
or not because I'll pivot to Mac Jones also
because I think the matchup is fantastic.
Okay, and Arizona, very beat up in the secondary.
Jaden Daniels, maybe he'll practice today.
You guys right now are ranking Marcus Mariotta.
That's one of the games we'll talk about today.
Justin Fields is out.
At running back, Tyrone Tracy was limited with a calf injury.
Josh Jacobs was limited.
I would assume these guys are going to play.
But DeAndre Swift, Dave, he's been limited.
Are you concerned about his availability?
ability. And should we add Kyle Menongai one way or the other?
I would stash Menongai only if you have the open roster spot. But otherwise, I think
D'Andre Swift is going to be fine. That's the game of the week. Yeah.
You pick the right game. Shootout for the cat. What? Come on. It's the game of the week, Dave.
And Chicago pizza sticks. Hey.
That was the least creative.
way to spring the game of the week
like ever
well first of all it took you like
seven minutes to hit the button
yeah I couldn't find it yeah
right so first of all you should always have that ready
to go and it wasn't great you're like
DeAndre Swift has been limited
Dave what do you think that means like
there were a hundred different ways
like I can tell that Jamie had no hand
whatsoever
in helping you come up with a way
to get me on the game of the week oh my gosh
let me read my text message
there's only one
he actually do ask him about
DeAndre Swift being limited
I'm sure you won't see that coming
Dallas Chicago
do it with Swift injury
ask him and then play it
yep
I'm disappointed in both of you
that is so funny
I was going to do
the slate is terrible
aside from this game
no I knew which game
it was going to be
but Monday night
Monday night
since we're talking about
what we sent each other
in G chat
I sent Adam
the perfect way
he could have gotten me
on game of the week
Here's how to get you.
Yeah, you're not allowed.
You're not allowed.
Yeah, well, you suck at it if this is what you're going to do.
Both of you suck at it.
So I'm challenging you both to be more creative moving forward.
Otherwise, I'm going to crap all over it every time.
In all seriousness, though.
If he's active, you're starting him number two running back.
All right.
So Bejel Tootin was limited.
Zach Sharbony mispractice.
If we look at, you know what, if I just skip, skip ahead and just say, who are the players
that were worried about missing this week's game?
Obviously, Purdy, obviously Daniel's.
But also, Charbonnet has to be at the top of this list, right?
He might legitimately miss the game.
Yeah.
Okay.
If he misses the game, then if you weren't already excited enough to start Walker after
what he did last week, you'll go bonkers to do it against New Orleans.
Oh, sorry.
I guess you've got to still put worthy in this category.
I would say Abuka, right?
Yes, big time.
Abuka missing practice.
By the way, Pete Carroll wants to give Ashton Gentie more carries.
But Chris Godwin, not going to play this week.
Could be back next week.
though. Now, we talked about Jets Bucks yesterday, and, you know, Heath's not that concerned about
Mike Evans. You guys have Evans, I think, around 24th. The setup is, this is going to be the third
straight week where he's going to likely get shadowed by a very good cornerback. If a Bucca's out,
how much is that going to change your ranking of Mike Evans? He'll go up a couple spots,
obviously. Where do you have him now? Like 20. Yeah, I've got him outside of my top 24 right now.
and he might crack the top 24 if a Bucca's out.
But I just think it makes it so much easier for the Jets to plan against Mike Evans.
It's not like he's not going to have the same sauce problem that he has.
Right, right, right.
And it's exactly what the Lions did.
Or, yeah, what the Lions did to the Bucks last year when Aaron Glenn was coordinating their defense.
They took away Mike Evans in that game.
Interesting.
And I can't help but think that they're going to do it again in this game.
We've got to throw Joanne Jennings in this mix of guys we're concerned about missing the game, right?
He's been missing practice.
And that's about it.
You know, Lab Mconkey practice in full.
Josh Downs practiced in full.
At tight end, are you guys projecting, oh, Tucker Kraft.
I got to talk about that.
Yeah, we do.
Do you expect Dallas Goddard to play?
Not as you know.
Isaiah likely.
Trending in the right direction.
We'll know Saturday.
Evan Ingram, he could miss the game.
He's been out with a back injury.
Tyler Warren was limited.
He went from not practicing the limited, so that's a good sign.
And then Tucker Kraft.
Are we expecting Tucker Kraft to play against the Browns?
Sounds like it.
Okay.
Tweet his knee in practice yesterday.
Where would you rank Musgrave if Kraft were out?
Outside the top of all.
Sure.
They're not the same guy.
In the 15-ish range or in the...
You'd be lower than that.
I mean, I guess if you really want to take a chance on him because of his opportunity,
you know, you can probably guess.
You'll probably think he'll be in the range of Hunter Henry and Brenton Strange and those type of guys.
All righty.
That's Luke Musgrave if Tucker Craft is out.
And, you know, just stay tuned for the mailbag, I guess.
We can hit that game.
Hopefully we'll have an update.
All right.
So if you miss the mailbag, then you can watch.
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All right, one question for each game.
Cincinnati's at Minnesota.
The Vikings so far are giving up the third fewest fantasy points to wide receivers.
Romo Dunzee had 37 yards in a touchdown.
DJ Moore had three for 68.
Drake London had three for 49 on four targets.
Start or sit T. Higgins.
Richard?
I don't feel bad about starting T. Higgins.
I might lower expectations, but I view him as a number two wide receiver still.
In the games with Jake Browning in 2023, Higgins averaged more fantasy points per game,
more PPR points per game than Jemar Chase did.
I do have to Azer Stature, though, because if you only look at the games he played with
Jamar Chase, it was pretty discouraging, in my opinion.
He had two big games and I think he played five.
He had two big games and three bad ones.
I don't think so.
I think he only played...
I only had three games where they all played together healthy.
Oh, I'm sorry.
I was thinking of the totality.
Yeah, no.
Oh, he was great when Chase was out,
but three games where they were healthy,
three catches for 36 yards on three targets,
two catches for 72 yards on four targets.
Then he had this game against Minnesota,
where he had four catches,
61 yards and two target Minnesota, by the way.
Four catches, 61 yards, two touchdowns on eight targets.
But it was a good game.
It was not a great game until Jamar Chase left
with an injury in the fourth quarter.
After that, he had two catches, 34 yards, and a touchdown on three targets.
So he had five targets and about 27 yards, I think, and a touchdown in the first three quarters of the game with Jamar Chase.
And he didn't really get a lot of involvement last week with Jake Browning.
So I've got my eye on it.
As I mentioned, Jake Brown, they were throwing to Tyler Boyd a lot.
They were throwing to Tanner Hudson.
So I think...
Last week, Mitchell Tinsley caught a touchdown.
Yeah, hopefully it's a little more concentrated.
So you don't like Mike Evans, Dave.
You like Higgins or Evans?
I would start Higgins over Evans.
Jamie, Higgins or Evans?
Higgins.
All right.
Dallas at Chicago, start everyone?
I mean, almost Luther Burden.
I wouldn't start Jalen Tolbert.
I wouldn't start the DSTs.
You wouldn't start Colston Loveland, would you?
No, but Ben Johnson said something during his press conference this week,
about how he, like, he was questioned about he putting his tight ends on the field a lot and then
not throwing to them.
And he said, that's something I'm working on.
So don't give up on Loveland.
He's in the same boat as Keon Coleman.
I'm tempted to start Caleb Williams over Mahomes, but I'm not going to do it.
I don't think you guys have it ranked that way.
You have Mahomes ahead, right?
They're very close for me.
Mahomes is six and Williams is eight.
Okay.
Both top ten.
But you'd expect Mahomes to be there.
Yeah, just, you know, you could see the chiefs kind of running away with an easy victory.
This game should be a shootout, Dallas, at Chicago, but still have too many mistakes,
inaccuracies from Caleb, I think.
Still, it's a good start, no question.
Yeah, I'm excited for Caleb.
Yeah, I'm excited for this game.
In fact, it's the game of the week.
Yeah.
Las Vegas at Washington.
Can you start the commanders players if Mariotta is at QB?
I will still start Debo and Ertz.
So, first of all, that means you still prefer Debo to McLaurin at this point?
At this point, yes.
Yep.
How much of a difference does it make in your rankings if Mario does that QB?
Not much.
Oh, they're lower than they would be if it were Jaden Daniels.
Like, neither one is in the top 24.
They both could be a round.
down there if it's JD under center.
It's the Raiders defense.
They aren't very good.
They haven't been that bad so far, actually.
It's been kind of a surprising.
I don't know if they're hanging by a thread here.
Who's your favorite wide receiver in this Washington, Las Vegas game, by the way, real quick?
Jacoby Myers, by a good margin.
It's Jacoby.
He's off to an encouraging start.
Rams are at the Eagles.
Starter Sid, A.J. Brown and Devante Smith.
I think you've got to consider them low-end number two receivers, the best.
you know, just looking at the situation.
A lot of conversation clearly in Philadelphia,
I believe this morning they already met with the media.
And A.J. Brown was talking about his success against,
I forget the cornerback for the Rams.
Manuel Forbes.
Yep.
And he said, that's the least of my problems right now.
You know, he said he's just trying to get the offense going.
He wasn't really complaining, but, you know,
we're kind of at that point where you could start to hear the frustration.
So I hope there's a squeaky wheel game coming.
I mean, the best thing that can happen is that the Rams jump out to a lead here.
And, you know, the Eagles are forced.
to throw. But until we see that, you can't call AJ Brown even a must-start receiver.
So he's a little tough to trust. Okay. I got some numbers on that coming up when we preview
that game. Atlanta's at Carolina. Is Drake London? This is a silly question, but is Drake London still
a must start? He is this week. Carolina's defense, their secondary has been playing okay,
but their pass rush hasn't been great. I think they have one sack through two games.
So there should be
There should be plenty of time for Pennix
to locate and throw to Drake London
Certainly more than last week
It's a good thing he was not Drake London Jr.
Because Carolina so far has held
Brian Thomas Jr. and Marvin Harrison Jr.
To a combined three catches for 38 yards
on 12 targets.
Is it that they held them to that
or circumstances and game script?
I can't answer that.
I can't answer that.
Do they play a Giantsville?
Who, Carolina?
Yeah.
I don't think so.
Well, that's good for Tyrone Tracy, Jr.
What about the Seahawks?
I don't know.
I don't know their schedule.
Okay, Ken Walker the third will be okay.
All right.
They do play the Seahawks.
Oh, no.
New Orleans at Seattle, Cooper Cup.
You play Michael Pennix, Jr.
Oh, yeah.
Ooh, you're right.
New Orleans at Seattle, Cooper Cup or Chris Olave?
Olave.
I'll lobby by a small margin.
Okay.
Do you like those guys, either of them, better than the Eagles receivers?
No.
No.
And Arizona's at San Francisco, rank the wide receivers in this game.
Marvin Harrison, Jr., Joan Jennings, Ricky Pearsall.
Pearsall, Jennings, Marv.
Oh, go on, elaborate, because this is our last game,
so we might not get to it until, like,
an hour and 45 minutes from now.
It's completely based on Arizona secondary being thinned out by injuries last week.
I thought Mack Jones played well last week.
The offensive line did a nice job protecting him.
And I don't think the Cardinals defense is anywhere close to where people thought that they'd be.
So good opportunities for both of those guys to hit some chunk plays.
And in the case of Jennings, like, how do you argue with what his target volume has been
dating back to last year?
So I think they're both number two wide receivers.
maybe I'm a little too aggressive on Pierce Hall still.
But I look at them and I see the matchup
and I think it's going to be a good game for both of them,
no matter who the quarterback is.
I just wonder if which one will stand out above the rest.
And I think in the case of Marvin,
I expect San Francisco's playing with the lead in this game.
So Arizona chasing and Marvin getting a few more opportunities this week
than we've seen the last couple games.
Yeah, and let me back that up with something here
because the Cardinals are 2-0.
They led by 10 points and by 8.
points going into the fourth quarter of their two games.
They haven't thrown 30 passes in a game yet.
Right now, the Cardinals are 23rd in pass rate,
but they're actually, this is the same thing for the Chargers, right?
It's a very similar trend.
Cardinals are 23rd in pass rate,
but they're 12th in the first three quarters.
So if the 49ers can, you know,
even if it's not building a lead,
just being in a tight competitive game
where the Cardinals aren't trying to run the ball out,
run the clock out, that could lead to more throws,
more targets.
Something I wanted to mention real quick,
there's a trend that I absolutely hate
for the 49ers wide receivers.
Because you think about the 49ers wide receivers,
you think about YAC, right?
You think about easy targets,
short, yak after that.
Sure.
The 49ers so far have the,
they are tied for last
in wide receiver targets
of five or fewer air yards.
Their wide receivers are running deep routes.
They're getting targeted downfield.
If the 49ers ever throw the ball short,
it's almost always to Christian McCaffrey.
And I don't love that.
I mean, it's like a high degree of difficulty
every time you're throwing to Ricky Pearsall
and it's annoying.
So, you know,
and I don't think it's a fluke necessarily.
I just, you're not getting the layups
from this offense for the wide receivers.
All right, that's an early trend
that we're keeping an eye on here.
Cincinnati's at Minnesota.
Stad of the game number one.
It's obviously been a tough start for Chase Brown.
He's not running the ball well.
He's got the fifth most carries
in football, but the third most in between the tackles, which you could say that doesn't make
sense. But also, he's not running as many routes, and his target per route run rate is way down.
So he was on pace for 81 catches after Zach Moss's injury last year. Chase Brown has three
targets and two catches in each of his first two games. Do you think he's a must start this week, Jamie?
He's definitely not ranked where he usually is for me. So he's into teens, and a little concerning,
obviously, but the hope would be is that Browning will throw to him a little bit more.
Not that Joe Burrow was avoiding him, but I think this could be an opportunity for him
for a quarterback that may look to check down a little bit, as opposed to trying to, you know,
maybe air it out down the field.
And the encouraging thing, I don't know the exact reception total, but Joe Mixing's numbers
with Browning in 2023 over 18 PPR points per game.
So there's a potential signs of life still to come because the workload is there, you know,
and he's still too talented to continue to struggle like this.
So we'll see if this is the week he gets going.
I still think Minnesota's run defense is good.
Obviously, they're very beat up defensively.
But for the most part, you're still starting.
I start Jordan Mason over him personally.
I would start Travis E.T.N. over him, you know, just two guys that either opportunity
or off to a good start.
Yeah, he's still clearly opportunity to be great, but just, you know, a little frustrating
in the first two weeks.
would you guys start chase brown or t higgins call it ppr uh higgins hi brown i have brown hour
dave mason or brown for you brown and pprr he might be higher in non ppr as well let's get through
the easy stuff we'll come back to mason so start chase start jefferson pretty exciting
matchup of these two former teammates at lsu two of the best wide receivers in the nfl we also
have two backup quarterbacks in this game
Um, of the many backup quarterbacks this week that could be playing, whether it's Mack Jones,
Jake Browning, Carson Wentz, Marcus Marietta, Tarad Taylor.
Who's the best backup quarterback?
I'll take Mac Jones.
Browning.
Would you start Browning over Jared golf?
Yes.
No.
Would you start Browning or Daniel Jones?
Jones.
Browning or Drake May.
May.
Browning or
Russell Wilson
Browning
Okay
Real quick on T.J. Hawkinson
Dave, I guess basically you're putting him in the top 12
just by default.
I couldn't find a tight
This sounds so silly now
and Jamie referenced it earlier in the show.
I couldn't find a tight end
that I liked better than him.
It's basing it off of Carson Wentz's track record
of finding the tight end frequently.
And he did it.
not just in Philly when they had a bunch of good tight ends,
but even in Indy and in Washington,
like the target rate to tight ends was north of 20% each time.
And so I'm hoping that he leans on Hawkinson still focuses on getting the ball out quick when he needs to.
And that'll just,
it'll help out Hawkinson a little bit,
maybe get a few more targets.
But I feel like it's,
it's more than a Jobu week for Hawkinson.
Like it's going to be easy to say that.
What happens when Addison comes back next week?
Yeah.
Like there's no prayer.
that Hockinson's going to be a high-volume target getter for Minnesota at that point.
And he just doesn't look good to begin with.
So what are your expectations for Carson Wentz?
I mean, look, he's got a great situation, you know, and we've talked about this on various shows.
You brought it up.
Heath brought it up yesterday on one of our HQ segments.
He hasn't played great the last couple of times we've seen him.
You know, the game with the Chiefs last year, he was playing with.
backups against Denver. It was a must win game for Denver. The Chiefs had nobody out there
essentially. He played in a meaningless week 17 game, week 18 game for the Rams the year before.
So like if that's what we want to judge him off and he's 32 years old, I totally get it. He did not
look great. But how much of being surrounded by talent and being expected to win a game, does that
change things? And so then you factor in, it's the bangles. I know, I know this defense
played a little bit above its head the last couple of weeks, but it's still a defense,
I think, that can be exposed.
And hopefully, hopefully a more proven quarterback, not a better quarterback at this point,
but a more proven quarterback, a veteran quarterback will understand the assignments.
So that factors into Hawkinson and it certainly factors into Judge Jefferson, get those guys
the ball.
And I think that was what we'll see a little bit more than what we saw from J.J. McCarthy,
who was clearly being protected by Kevin O'Connell, understandably so.
In week one, it was, let's manage the game and wait until Caleb Williams starts to
some mistakes and then we have to let you go make a play go make a play and that's what we
saw and he looked very good in the second half certainly in the fourth quarter then last week who
knows at what point he got hurt who knows at what point he wasn't just frustrated o'connell being
frustrated with his his quarterback play and it just was an absolute disaster across the board for what
j jay mccarthy look like so i the last thing i want to see is is wince play well enough that he
puts mccarthy on the bench for the rest of the season but i also like to see mcquence play well enough
that it gets these other guys, gets his playmakers going.
Yeah.
So that's the encouraging part, I think, for Carson once.
Okay.
Just a couple years ago, once upon a time,
Nick Mullins threw for 303, 411, and 3196 yards
in relief of Kirk Cousins late in the year.
It's a great system.
It's a great coach and clearly great weapons.
All right.
Dave, let's talk about Jordan Mason.
He's the start of the week.
You like him.
You'll start him.
You're not quite there on Jordan Mason.
he's a he's got a great opportunity there's no denying the matchup it might be the best matchup
that a running back could have it's that he's a two down running back who is going to need
really good volume and a really good rushing average to come through and probably he's going to
need a touchdown too and he might get all those things but racing him up like i i know he's got him
like top 10 overall in PPR, it just, it just seems like way too much for me, like way too
pricey, way too expensive, way too rich, whatever.
But I do think he can be good.
This is what you drafted him for is to use him in opportunities exactly like this when
Aaron Jones isn't around and you know he's going to get a lot of work.
And it's a favorable matchup.
I just don't have, I don't want to rank them at the ceiling.
And I kind of feel like, especially in the case of Heath, I wish he was here.
I could tell him this.
I feel like he's ranking him beyond his ceiling,
putting him as high as he has him.
But if you've got him,
unless you're loaded at running back,
you're probably starting Jordan Mason.
I would like him a lot better
if the offensive line were healthier for him.
All right.
There you go.
Thank you, Heath.
All right,
let's do some questions from the chat
because Jamie has Jordan Mason 10th.
Heath has him six that running back,
but top 10 overall among, you know,
all flex options,
according to Dave.
PPR, Jordan Mason or Ken Walker?
Okay.
As of now, it's Mason.
It will be Walker or Charbonnet's out.
Yep.
Mason or Jalen Warren?
Mason.
Mason or Tony Pollard?
Mason. Mason.
Higgins or Romeo Dobbs?
Higgins.
Higgins or Dobbs?
Oh, I guess we're just going off of the Jordan Mason questions now.
I'm just reading from the chat for this game.
Chase Brown or Jalen Warren?
Chase Brown.
Still Chase Brown, but it's close.
Browning or Purdy if he plays?
Pretty.
And last one, are the DSTs in play in this game?
Minnesota still is.
I would not trust the Bengals.
All right.
Finish with this game.
Dallas is at Chicago.
Stad of the game.
End zone targets.
Well, I don't know if you've read the notes,
but if you haven't, you can answer this trivia question.
The Cowboys have seven end zone targets this year.
How many does George Pickens have of those seven?
One.
I don't know.
if he has any. He has five. I think he scored touchdown, so. He did. Yeah, he scored that
touchdown, but also they keep targeting him in the end zone. Yeah, you're right. Five of their seven. Four
of them came against the Giants. And he last year was incredibly unlucky in end zone, in like,
end zone efficiency. 15th most end zone targets among wide receivers, but he had the fewest
touchdowns among the 20 wide receivers who had 11 or more end zone targets, fewest touchdowns on those
end zone targets. So it's happening again for George Pickens.
Um, anyway, you know, Pickens is interesting because his target share hasn't been great.
So in this game, like, DAC is a must start.
We love DAC.
Caleb Williams is eighth for Jamie.
Where is he for you, Dave?
Uh, nine.
Okay.
And DAC is like fourth, I think, for both of you.
Uh, fifth for both.
Yeah, fourth for both of you.
Sorry.
And he might-
I drop a little trivia question on you, Adam.
Uh, yeah, one second.
Just to make this easy, right?
So, okay.
Jack and Caleb
C.D. Lamb, obviously.
I guess it's not that easy.
It's not like we have a bunch of studs here.
It's kind of interesting.
Like, we love this game,
but there are a bunch,
there are a lot of questions arise.
Go ahead.
Give me your trivia.
All right.
So if Pickens has five end zone targets,
how many of C.D. Lamb has?
Zero.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I know, but he's been amazing.
But anyway,
Is Pickens a must start?
Is Adunzea a must start?
How do you rank the wide receivers after C.D. Lamb?
Why don't we start with that, Jamie?
O'Donzee is a must start.
I would start him over T. Higgins.
I would start him over Mark Higgins.
I would start him over Marvin Harrison.
I don't know how far you want to go with this.
That's good.
That works.
He's in a great spot.
And clearly the go-to guy for Caleb at this point.
I think this is a solid week for George Pickens.
So he's in that number two receiver range.
He's right outside the top 24, but I don't really look at from that standpoint because there's so many good receivers.
And I think this is actually a decent week for DJ Moore just because of what the expected total is and how this game could unfold.
He is not a must-start receiver in a two-receiver league, but he has a must-start receiver in three-receiver league still.
And would not surprise me this is the best game today?
So would you start DJ Moore over the struggling Mike Evans, Brian Thomas's of the world, AJ Brown?
No, no, no, no, no.
But I would start, I'm trying to think, I start him over Ridley still, I start him over Olave, start him over.
He's right in the same mix for me like where Pearsall is.
So I think Jennings is ahead of Pearsall at this point.
And he's, he's right there in that, again, slightly behind Pickens.
So borderline number two is here.
Okay, how about.
James and Williams, for example.
How about DJ Moore or Tony Pollard?
I would go with more in PPR.
I think I have Pollard Rangt higher.
I'm not as bullish on DJ Moore.
So his average route depth is by far a career high,
and his slot rate is up.
31.2% slot rate, nearly a career high there.
And that's not, in his career, it has not been a good thing.
His yards per route run is two when he's not in the slot,
two yards per out run, which is solid.
1.63 in his career when he is in the slot.
so not a great profile right now for DJ Moore
but it's only two games
it's just noise at this point
all right
so do you like the running backs in this game
and which one do you like better Dave Richard
Javante Williams
way more
can't deny how good he's been
can't deny his role in the passing game
if it's a competitive game
or if Dallas is trailing or whatever
you know he's going to get targets on top
of getting a lot of carries
yeah Jamie you agree
agree yeah all right we'll get i'm sure we'll get some javanti questions in the chat but what about
d'andre swift is he still pretty close to a must start like did i ask you swift or chase brown
still chase brown i agree i'd start javante over both i agree
all right what's wrong with swift why isn't he a must start i think you got to look at just
some of the struggles right now like they're creating opportunities and he's not taking advantage of
it and so we'll see if they start to give manangai more work you know ben jonson seems
encouraged by him and we did not see rochon johnson last week despite being active will he get
more opportunities so this is a sort of a little bit of a discovery week for dandre swift if you have
him i would put monongai on the beat the waiver wire list just to see if there's you know something
coming for him especially in this matchup so there's there's still the work is still there for
swift and the matchup is is clearly solid it's just a matter of will he take advantage of it so
number two running back but not i don't have as much confidence as a mess he does clearly
okay yeah i mean that's going to be the case probably every week um how about uh jake
ferguson starter set must start yeah all right DAC through 52 passes last week let's hope for
40, at least this week.
Let's just hope for a shootout here.
And then Caleb Williams
is, as we've already talked about him,
but he is eighth for Jamie and ninth
for Dave, and he is fifth for Heath.
So I'll see if we have any questions
on this game.
Pickens or McMillan,
Tederoa McMillan.
I still have McMillan higher in PPR.
I will take McMillan.
Pickens, D'Andre Swift, or Jalen Warren?
Uh, it's close between pickings and Warren for me, but I'll go pickings.
I made another trade yesterday.
Traded, uh, Jwan Johnson for Jalen Warren.
Good trade.
Nice.
I like that.
Good for you.
I'm, I'm, I have Kittle, so I picked up Johnson and Fanon.
And my running backs are pretty beat up.
Big fan of that trade.
DJ Moore or Jawan Jennings?
Jowan.
That's close.
Dak or Drake
Dak or Drake?
Dak.
DJ Moore or Drake London?
It's got to be London.
Yep.
Pickens or Jacoby Myers?
Myers.
That's close.
I'm going to take Myers over Pickens.
Caleb Williams or Baker Mayfield?
I would go Baker if Abuka plays.
I would go Caleb if Abuca's out.
Okay.
Last one.
Two more, actually.
or Keenan Allen?
Pickens.
Yep.
And Swift or Jacori Kroski Merritt?
Swift.
All right.
I have Swift hire.
Let's go to me.
I don't know if I'm higher a non-PPR, though.
Oh, I'll get you an answer to seven seconds.
Joanne Johnson.
How about Joanne Johnson, Harold Fanon, or Jake Ferguson?
Ferguson.
I have Joanne the highest of the three.
They're back-to-back in my non-PPR ranking, Swift, one spot ahead of Cross-Skey.
merit. I don't know if I want to keep
that, though. Okay.
All right, we're going to take a break.
We'll be right back on fantasy football today. We've got five
more games to get to.
Stat of the game from raiders.com
on Las Vegas at Washington here.
Gino Smith was 0 of 12
on past attempts of 10 or more air yards
in week two against the Chargers.
He became the first quarterback
since 2016 to throw
at least 10 passes of 10 or more air yards
and not have a completion.
This was on Raiders.com?
Yeah.
I know.
It was an article of,
I was trying to read about their defense
because their defense really hasn't been that bad.
They held the Patriots to 13 points,
the Chargers to 20 points.
And basically the article was like,
yeah, this guy played well,
and this guy played well on defense.
And I have completely forgotten their names
because they have more or less a no-name defense.
I mean, they don't have household names other than Crosby.
But they're 14th and yards per play.
They're fourth and points allowed.
we'll see and they've been they've been good against the run so far but as you look at this game dave
do you look at this as a spot where the commanders regardless of who their quarterback is could
have a really big game where the commanders could have a really big game yeah like do you
buy the raiders defense or do you think this is a good matchup for washington no i think it's a good
opportunity for the commander i gosh i wish jane danes were playing i'd be much more bullish on them
but i think they'll be i think they'll be in control the game Washington well i don't think the
Raiders will do what they did to New England, for example, in week one.
And I think they lean on what they have to.
And at this point, it's their, it's their rookie, Kroski Merritt, and let him make plays.
And I think he's got the speed and the elusiveness that they don't have from any of their
other running backs on the roster right now, just give him the opportunities to move the
ball downfield and take pressure off of Marcus Myrata.
You don't want the whole thing falling on Mario to shoulders if you're
can help it you don't want a piece of it you want the whole thing give me your thoughts on how
the commander's backfield shakes out what does it look like who's playing on passing downs this
and that i i think it'll ultimately end up being jeremy mickles in third down situations
we'll see a lot of cross game merit you'll see him getting uptick in playing time and carries of
course and chris rodriguez assuming he's active we'll sprinkle in and they'll see what
they've got in Rodriguez, and the more that Rodriguez does, that might make them feel comfortable,
maybe the more work he gets next week. But I think for now, it's, Jamie used the term
discovery game. I think for the commanders, it's a discovery game for all of their running
backs. Okay. Everybody, Dave Heath, Jamie, they all have Jacori Kroski Merritt just outside the
top 24 in full PPR, probably inside a non-PPR. When Austin Echler was out last year,
That was pretty much the only time Brian Robinson, Jr. was involved in the passing game.
He ran more routes.
He had some catches.
So I hope that trickles down to Chikori Kroski Merritt.
Are you guys excited to start him this week?
Moderately.
I mean, you know, clearly it was, there was probably, I don't know what a start percentage was last week.
But there was got to be, you know, a strong percentage of people who drafted him, excited to draft him, saw the game against the Giants in week one, started him without hesitation.
and, you know, is the Packers defense for real?
Well, you found that out pretty quickly that, yes, they are for real.
So this week, it's not exactly the most scary defense,
but you got to give them credit for what they've done against the run so far.
I mean, you know, it's been a pretty solid start for them
in what they did against the Patriots and what they did against the Chargers.
Granted, those are two teams that may struggle to run the ball all season based on what we've seen,
but I think you've got to be encouraged by what the Raiders run defense looks like.
So given the opportunity here, I think you're considering him a,
a flex. I have him as a high in flex. I think you're considering him as number two running back
depending on what your backfield looks like. So I wouldn't get crazy and start him over, Chase Brown,
who's struggling, or maybe Kyron Williams because you're concerned about workload and their
matchup. But, you know, when you start to get to those flex questions, like I like him slightly
better just with the potential opportunity, let's say with J.K. Dobbins, you know, who's gotten
off to a good start? You know, but those guys are back to back. Really the question is,
is who's going to catch passes? And I do think one thing to keep in mind, and
and I'll do some research on it this week and talk to some people.
Do they potentially have Chase Edmonds active and Chris Rodriguez not?
And if they do, then we have something to keep an eye on.
So I guess we'll find out today if that's the case because he's not a practice one.
Right. Okay.
So the wide receivers you said that Jacoby Myers is your favorite wide receiver in this game.
Would that change if Jaden Daniels played?
Not at all.
Myers has been great.
Yeah.
Myers is based like top 15 receiver at this point.
One thing he's doing, though, that he's never done before is he's getting a lot of yak.
So we know he's going to catch passes.
The yards, though, is this going to keep up?
Because right now his yak is 6.4 yards per catch.
It's usually about 3.5 yards per catch.
So he's overachieving there.
He's also playing in the slot a lot more.
Maybe that's why he's overachieving.
He's doubled his slot rate from his first two years in Las Vegas going from about 30% to 60%.
I thought that was interesting.
but yeah i mean it's hard to get away from him uh jacobi myers right now so fire him up start
brock bowers i know ashty's been bad but are you guys trusting him this week
there are three running backs that just continue to slide a little bit and it's chase brown
because of situation and matchup to an extent kairn williams because of situation and matchup
for this week and gentie like he's the one rookie running back of the
for top tier guys that you're still starting with confidence.
So Hampton, not so much, Henderson, not so much, Harvey clearly know, and Gentie's the one
that you hope there's going to be a big game here.
And credit to the commanders, they made it a point in the offseason to bulk up at defensive
tackle, and so far they're allowing three yards per carry to running backs.
So it may not be a good matchup for him.
Love to see him catch more passes, but I mean, I have Genty in a few leagues, and I'm obviously
starting him. I'm sure he'll be started in close to
90% of leagues.
Would you consider either of these
quarterbacks, Gino Smith or Mariotta?
I like Marioada much more
than Gino Smith and I would
consider Marioita in that same range of Mac
Jones and Jake Browning for sure.
I mean, you have a two game
sample size in this offense where he was awesome.
He was. He didn't even start those
games. He came in as a backup. He did play terrible
defenses, but he was
Very good.
It was watching the tape last night.
He threw a game-winning touchdown pass
basically at the buzzer to Terry McLaurin
in week 18.
Did not remember that.
He doesn't, though, throw to his running backs much.
At least that's been the trend for Mario daisy lately.
Perfect opportunity this week
not to keep that trend going.
Yeah, exactly.
All right, so McLaren and Debo,
did they crack your top 24?
No.
Debo, yes, McLaren, no.
All right, so far,
Kishon Booty,
103 yards. DeMario Douglas caught a touchdown. Quentin Johnston, Keenan Allen. They both had
over 60 yards in a touchdown. Ladd McConkey wasn't great, but this team's giving up the third
most fantasy points to wide receivers. They were supposed to have a terrible secondary, according
to the rankers out there, maybe the worst in football. But you guys don't have him in your
top 24, but maybe Jane Daniels plays and that gives a boost there. I don't know what to make
of Zach Ertz. He's really off to a very good start. 13 targets, two touchdowns. I think he caught a
touchdown from Mariotta in both games last year.
He definitely didn't against Carolina.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure he did against Dallas.
I don't know.
Maybe it came from Jane Daniels because Daniels played a little bit in that game.
But yeah, is he just like Jake Ferguson or Zach Hertz?
Ferguson, but I think you look at, you know, this is the greater late conversation, right,
that we had at the beginning of the season.
Like Ferguson, Johnson, and Ertz are all top 10 tight ends for this week.
Dave, you agree?
I do.
All right.
Start him up.
Start him or Hockinson.
Ertz or Hawkinson?
Ertz.
Erts.
Erts.
Trying to find that stinking.
Whatever.
It doesn't matter if it's caught a touchdown last year with Mariotta.
Washington's DST is okay.
The Raiders have been a very good matchup so far.
And Washington was good in one game and bad at Green Bay.
Good against the Giants, bad at Green Bay.
Gino's got four picks, right?
Three last week.
Yeah, one against Patriots.
Three plus one.
All right, I'll look that up.
You talk about the next game, I'll look up three plus one.
Rams are at the Eagles.
All right, guys.
Look, we were hoping they'd throw more, right?
It wouldn't be as successful rushing.
Philadelphia?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And they haven't been as successful rushing.
I mean, Barclay's doing.
very well, but he's not doing 2,000 yards well.
And they're still throwing 22 times a game,
which is basically exactly what they did
after their week 5 by
when Jalen Hertz, when they decided to
change the offense from that point forward
through the postseason. They did not lose
a single game with Jalen Hertz healthy.
He averaged 22.6 pass
attempts per game and still 27
fantasy points per game, but
on pace for only 3,200,
364 passing guards. So
is it just two games, Dave?
or is it a real side of concern for A.J. Brown specifically.
I think there's concern for sure because he hasn't looked like the old A.J. Brown.
And although I thought he did take steps toward looking better last week,
the matchup this week, given the injuries to the corners in L.A.,
I think it is more favorable.
But it's still tough.
This Rams defense is good.
And so I just, I can't help but feel like Philadelphia has found what they're
secret sauces to their offense and it's running the ball and it's dominating time of possession
and it's their winning games so why would they get away from that it's why you can't confidently
start a j brown as a top 12 receiver which is what we were drafting them as oh how do we see
this game playing out jamie such an interesting game terrific game in the playoffs last year rams really
had a chance to win that game eagles are three and a half point favorites total's 44 and a half
Do you expect a lot of fantasy points in this game?
I hope so.
I mean, look, you have such great players on both sides of the ball.
You have such great defenses as well, so it makes it a little challenging.
And the fact that Vegas has it, you know, at a basically low number, essentially low number.
I mean, it's middle of the slate for this week, but it's not a great slate with all the back quarterbacks.
So they're not expecting, you know, Cowboys, Bears, for example.
I still think you're looking at the two receivers for the Rams as must starts.
You're still starting Kyron Williams if you roster him.
You're still starting Saquan Barkley.
You're starting Jalen Hertz.
It really comes down to can you trust Matthew Stafford with all these backup quarterbacks?
Where does he rank for them?
For me, he's behind all of them, essentially.
And can A.J. Brown and or Devante Smith get going.
And then you have the wild card of Dallas God are being in or out because we know that's sort of been a little bit of a problem for Devante Smith.
When he's in.
So at this point, it's start both Rams receivers, start Kyron, start Sequin, start
Hertz, and where everybody else sort of stacks up, but I think depending on what your
roster needs are.
Like all my AJ Brown rosters, I'm still starting.
Same.
Yeah.
Kyron, too.
I mean, I can't bench Kyron, but he's getting almost no catches.
So he's got another tough matchup.
He's had a really tough schedule to start the year.
They're going to try to work Koremen.
I mean, I'm going to give you an over-under.
Let's say 13 PPR fantasy points for Kairn Williams, over-under.
Slightly under.
Under?
Oh.
I mean, Jordan Mason's a much easier call than Kairn Williams this point.
Yes.
And obviously Ken Walker would be if Charbonnet were out.
What if Charbonnet plays?
Would you start Ken Walker or Kyron?
I think if we get Charbonnet mispractice but expected to play,
Walker. If we get Charbonnet limited, still the only foot injury expected to play, maybe Walker.
Charbonnet full practice, Kyron.
If Charbonnet plays, you've got to worry about just how much work Walker gets.
And so you'll take what seems like the guaranteed workload for Kyron.
Charbonnet needs to be out for Walker to make a leap up my rankings.
Who do you like better, Kyron Williams or AJ Brown?
Kyrin.
Still, Kiron.
So that means you don't really think AJ Brown's going to score 30.
13 PPR fantasy points.
Well, I mean, at this point, it's hard to expect that.
Like, you just said it from week five on.
What did they do?
They won the Super Bowl.
You know, so it's, you know, they're, they're tush pushing their way down the field.
I mean, that's essentially what it is right now.
Like, this, this team is born.
They are very boring.
Oh, so boring.
But Dave, you brought up the Emmanuel Forbes thing earlier.
Both of you guys did, right?
And Killer Witherspoon is out for the Rams.
This could be a big, big help for the passing game for Philadelphia.
Sure, but it means that if Philadelphia says, oh, great, we're taking on Emmanuel Forbes and we've beat them up before, let's change our offensive game plan from what's worked for us over the last calendar year to take advantage of it.
Like, that's, if they do that, then we're going to look foolish for saying that A.J. Brown isn't a must start.
But I don't think they do that.
They are what they are.
And they know it and they've embraced it.
And even though there's calls for them to throw a little bit more, I don't know if that's enough for them to actually do it.
Tack on the fact it's a first year play caller for their offense, hurts.
And just like the overall, just like the way that they functioned in their passing game hasn't been great.
How many times did we see
Hitch or slant routes
That's it from AJ Brown last week
Yeah
Here's some comments from Philadelphia this morning
This is Lane Johnson on the tush push
I'm just an employee of the Eagles
I'm told to run it
I never thought it would come to this
It's been like this the past three years
So we'll see
We'll see if it lives another year
Another few weeks
But I'll be here
I don't know what context this is
This is Zach Berman
Who covers the Eagles now for
Believe the Athletic
Yes
So that's Lane Johnson.
This is A.J. Brown, obviously a little bit more of an important thing from what we're talking about.
A.J. Brown says, if I was a de-coordinator, I'd probably be focused on him, meaning Sequan.
It could be good for all of us, not just for me, but for all of us, on whether he pays attention to advanced data about wide receivers.
AJ Brown says, no, I don't think you guys should pay attention to that.
That's your job. I'm sorry, but I don't. I'm not an analytics guy at all.
You judge what you do when you get your opportunity.
That's something you can't control.
if you go look at it from a data
and analytic standpoint you're going to find what you're looking for
but as wide receivers you're judging your performance by how hard
you play how you block and the numbers you put up
sorry I thought that was a better quote excuse me
last one which I thought
it's the quote of the week yeah
I guess I was looking for the defense coordinator one
new segment there's one other thing
and that is well what if the Rams offense
is able to move the ball and put up points
like they did in the playoff game against the Eagles
last time these two teams met
if they do that and they have a lead
Philadelphia is going to have no choice
but to start to throw a little bit more
so it's Dubby main the G
okay in our YouTube chat says anyone who has
AJ Brown and Devante Smith should not be surprised
they are not producing you saw what they did last year as a team
and won a Super Bowl why would that change this year
so let me just give you some numbers I already told you
after their week four after their week five by
Jalen Hertz through 22.6 passes per game
How did A.J. Brown do in those games?
Well, he, okay, if we look at week six through 15, because Jalen Hertz left week 16 with an injury,
so just week six through 15, A.J. Brown was only on pace for 114 targets.
However, he was on pace for 1,400 yards and seven touchdowns, 15.8 fantasy points per game.
So, you know, he is the kind of guy that can do a lot without a ton of targets.
I would hope for more than six to seven targets per game.
But even if he gets that, he showed he can be a 1,400-yard guy
and a 15.8 PPR Fantasy Point per game guy, which is solid.
It's not great.
I think what encourages me is that Jalen Hertz is averaging 5.2 yards per attempt or something like that.
Something horrible.
That's just not going to last.
He's usually seven and a half-ish.
5.6.
Well, I mean, that's the tush push, though.
No, yards per pass attempt.
Oh, I'm sorry.
So, all right, final thing on this game, right?
Because, like, we talk Kyron, A.J. Brown, Devante Smith, they're not exactly must-starts.
Heath, by the way, has A.J. Brown in his top eight.
If Dallas Goddard plays, where do you rank him and where do you rank DeVante Smith in that scenario?
Goddard would be just outside the top 12, and Devante Smith would be mid-tier wide-receiver.
I'd probably drop in, like, four or five spots.
Right now, he's like wide receiver 30.
Yep. I dropped Devante to a low-end wide receiver three, and Goddard would take that 12th spot in my tight-end rankings in PPR over Hawkinson.
Who's the 12th man? He's the 12th man.
Would you – I don't get that reference, but would you – all right, answer this question real quick, Jamie.
Why would you start Mason over Kyron? I feel like Mason may not get close to the end zone with Carson Wentz.
I just think that the matchup is better for Jordan Mason. And you're talking about two guys that may have questions.
in the passing game, but this is the opportunity
that you've been waiting for for Jordan Mason.
So if they're essentially doing
the same things, one is
taking on the Eagles, one is taking on
the Bengals. Okay.
And yeah, we do think he has
opportunities to get in the end zone. I think it comes down to that.
But do you start the
DSTs in this game, Rams Eagles?
Eagles and Vikings are very similar to me.
They're not great for
this week by comparison to some of these streaming
options, one of which it was essentially,
the bills in some cases so take that into account but the falcons the seahawks like these are teams that
have pretty solid matchups and are playing well so if you do want to pivot i'm okay with that
all right we're going to go a little faster for our last three games let's go to carolina hosting
atl with a j torel out with a hamstring injury this will be the first game he's missed in in since
2022 and he's their best cornerback chuba hubbard very involved in the passing game he has now
Chuba Hubbard has four to six targets in seven of his last eight games, dating back to
2024.
All of them have come on first or second down, at least this year, this year, I think.
But anyway, that's very encouraging because he hasn't been running the ball great.
So, Dave, start us at Michael Pennix.
That's it.
Start us at Bison Robinson.
Come on.
Tyler Algier, is he a top 30 guy this week or just a prayer?
Prayer.
Would you start Pennix or Jake Browning?
Browning.
Penix or Mariotta.
probably panics.
Drake London and Tetaro and McMillan are easy starts, right?
Yes, McMillan for sure.
London, maybe not easy because the numbers haven't been great so far,
but the matchup's too favorable.
And it's Drake London.
He's going to get a ton of targets.
Oh, well, if they were Drake London, Jr.,
it wouldn't be a favorable matchup as we talked about earlier.
But I actually talked about it.
The Panthers were not that bad against receivers
until J.C. Horn got hurt last year.
Drake London finished with a 40 burger
against the Panthers in week 18
but you know what we're not going to overthink it
we liked London coming in he had 15 targets
in week one Jamie what about
Mooney what about Renfro
what about the other
guys and then I guess you can talk about
Pitts
Mooney I would prefer to stash
three receiver leagues and a flex
he might be in that range
as a fourth receiver on your team
Renfro I would stash as well
just to see what happens for another week
because clearly this was a big game for him
in week two
where Bryce Young
threw 55 passes
just keep that in mind
when you're also factoring in
Tatami on Sanders as well
in terms of like
streaming options
what was the last thing you asked about
sorry
I don't remember
Hunter Renfro
the tight ends
yeah I think in the case
of pits and Sanders
like Pitts
one very good game
with Mooney out
one not so great game
where it was the Bejan
Robbins
Robinson show, Bejohn Robinson show, whatever we're calling him at this point.
So Pitts is just outside the top 12 as well.
I think if you've started him the first two weeks and you didn't get Joanne Johnson or Harold Fanon, for example, I would stick with Pitts.
If you pivoted to somebody and it's, let's say, Hunter Henry or Brent Strange, for example, I would go back to Pitts.
Just hope that the Pennix relationship and what we've seen from him in at least one game is a sign of things comes.
They didn't play poorly last week.
It just, you know, there wasn't a lot of pass volume there.
Bryce Young, sit?
Yep.
Okay.
And Chuba Hubbard's a layup at this point.
Got to start him.
Yeah, number two running back.
All right.
I mean, we will see, though, with the offensive line injuries.
Because he has exactly, you mentioned it, his work in the passing game.
He has not run the ball very well yet.
Yeah.
And this run defense has been good so far.
You know, Bucky Irving struggled badly.
14 carries, 37 yards.
Aaron Jones had 5 for 23.
Jordan Mason had 9 for 30.
So, so far, the Falcons actually are giving up the fourth fewest fantasy points to running backs.
And the third fewest receiving yards per game to running backs.
But obviously, it's early.
But I mean, like Aaron Jones didn't have a catch.
Bucky Irving had four catches for eight yards in a touchdown.
So far, so good, I'd say overall for the Falcons defense.
But they've played much better than anybody expected by far.
Yeah, it starts with the past rush.
we'll see with no center, no guard
how things change for Brezsche.
Yeah, but A.J. Terrell is a big loss for them
and James Pierce, their rookie edge, was injured too.
I think he was limited.
Would you start the Falcons DST?
Yes.
I would.
Over the Eagles Rams?
Yes.
Yeah.
All right, but you don't necessarily want to drop
the Eagles and Rams DSTs.
Let's take a break.
We got New Orleans at Seattle when we come back.
Seattle hosting New Orleans,
that of the game.
the Seahawks so far, allow the third most fantasy points to running backs,
but that's mostly because they're giving up a lot of receiving yards per game,
and that could be good for Alvin Camara.
Dave, is Alvin Camara a must start?
Yes.
Okay.
Jordan Mason or Camara?
Mason.
Camara and PPR easily.
Just for fun.
Ashton Genty or Camara.
Camara.
Camara.
Okay.
so are we starting a quarterback in this game ratler or darnald no i don't mind
darnald but he's not top 12 joan johnson at this point is basically a must start
he's right there with ferguson and ertz he's ahead of kyle pits um calcy or
he has 20 targets in two games yeah so kelsey
see for you, Dave, or Johnson?
No. I like Juan Johnson better.
Someone asking in the chat, Juan Johnson
or Sam Leporta?
Johnson. I have Leporta a spot hire.
Someone asking in the chat, Bobby Boucher or Paul Crewe?
I think that
I have yet to go to prison, so
I'm in a much better spot.
This is the easiest
starts to the question we've got all day. It's obviously
Bobby Boucher, much more impactful player.
Paul Crew wasn't even the best player on his
team. Nellie was better. Michael Irvin was better. Anyway, back to it. I might have to disagree with
you on that one, though, because we saw what happened when he left the game, and it was pretty
ugly. But I do make a pretty good impact, especially when Vicki Valcourt is there to give me
some delicious taste. All right. Ken Walker would be an easy start, a must start if
Charbonnet is out. What if Charbonnet is in, Dave, Richard?
low end number two running back
both of them or just Walker
Walker be ahead
you got to feel more confident in Walker after last week
this run defense has been pretty bad
4.84 yards per carry allowed
to buy the Saints
two opposing running backs
it is a little
a little skewed though because you have 50 yard run
for trade vets that's true that's a good point
they actually yeah you know what
they actually did pretty well against Connor
and kept McCaffrey in check.
All right,
I think the wide receivers are really interesting
other than JSN.
JSN's a must start.
But, Jamie, how do you feel
about OLAVe and Shaheed and Cup?
All number three receivers.
You know, the problem for OLAV
is the targets have been amazing.
The production has been terrible.
So PPR, he is in the number three receiver conversation.
Nine and half, I would avoid him.
I mean, he's seemingly allergic
to the end zone at this point.
Shaheed scored a touchdown last week.
Similar situation.
You know, not a lot of yards at this point.
So below Alave, but again, borderline number three receiver.
Which cup are we going to get?
We're going to get the guy in week one who was disappearing act.
We're going to get the guy last week that was heavily involved.
So for me, I'm going to split the difference.
I was way out on him last week, you know, moderately encouraged going into week one
just to see what was going to happen again as number three receiver.
So I would start him, for example, over Jameson Williams and people.
here.
Ooh.
If Charbonnet plays,
Ken Walker or any of these
wide receivers other than
JSN,
obviously.
Walker.
I think I'll like
Walker.
I'm going to like Walker
better than Cup for sure,
better than
Shaheed for sure.
It's OLAVE.
I'd have to double check on.
I talked about the yak.
They're back to back,
Walker one spot ahead.
Okay.
I'll talk about the yak for
Chris Olave
or for Jacoby Myers
being much higher than usual.
Chris Olavay's never been a good yak guy either, but his yak per catch is 1.7 yards.
So I'm assuming it'll be somewhere like three and a half.
How about zero explosive plays for Chris Olavé?
And he had an end.
He has two end zone targets on the year.
One last week, and the pass was just thrown behind him.
So the timing's off just a little bit.
The encouraging thing with Olavé is the targets.
It's why you're starting them is because you expect him to get double digit targets.
I think it should also be said, though, Seattle's defense and their secondary especially,
I thought they played pretty well last week and the changes that the coaching staff made
paid off against Pittsburgh.
But they are another team that's super beat up in the secondary.
They have two safeties and a starting cornerback who have been, I think, missing practice
each of the first two days of the week.
Sure.
But I think they played last week without a manwory and Witherspoon.
And Witherspoon's their best corner.
and they still did a nice job against the Steelers.
They did, yeah.
Okay.
Seahawks defense, but these are the Saints.
These are the Saints.
Seahawks defense is absolutely in play as well.
And our last game is Arizona at San Francisco.
Starters at Kyler Murray.
I don't want to trust him if I can help it.
I don't know if you guys remember the stat of the game from last week's Arizona game,
but it was that Kyler Murray had seven carries in week one,
which would be, I think, a career high
like on a per game basis.
He had seven carries in week two.
So he's back to it.
Yeah, you know what, Jamie,
you made a good point about the score
and maybe more targets for Harrison
and just more pass attempts for Kyler-Marie
because as I mentioned,
they're 12th in pass rate
in the first three quarters of the game
and then they have just been nursing big leads
in the fourth quarter.
So, you know, I just think we're,
hopefully we get more volume
from a team that's very slow.
So far they've been taking pretty much
all of the play clock down they're one of the slowest teams i hate that but uh you know maybe this
is a different game script james connor you guys are kind of low on james connor borderline start this
week dave i don't like what i've been seeing from him as far as just speed and you know
movement when he's got the ball he's he's scored a bunch of touchdowns and it's made up almost
50% of the total PPR points he's had this year.
So against the 49ers, run defense, it's been pretty good.
I, and certainly their track record against Connor is mostly good.
I don't want to start him if I don't have to.
Makes me nervous.
Bill or Connor?
I have Connor one spot ahead of Bill.
Connor.
All right.
How about Wondale?
I have Walker one spot ahead of Connor, and that's if Charbonnet plays.
Okay.
Wondell Robinson in PPR or James Connor
Still Connor
Okay
I have Wondell higher
Marvin Harrison Jr. or James Connor
Harrison
Marvin.
Junior
Junior
Marvin Harrison Jr.
Or Olavay
MHJ
You guys like him?
Borderline number two receiver
Yep
good thing is he's running fewer go routes he's running more crossing routes more in breaking routes
these are the types of things we'd like to see bad thing is he has 11 targets on about 57 pass
attempts i believe so that target share is still pretty low because tray mcbride is getting a lot of them
tray mcbride has 16 targets so far this year and he is a must start all right brock purdy if he
plays or
Kyler Murray.
Purdy.
Kyler.
Kyler or Mac Jones?
Kyler.
Mac.
That was mostly for Dave.
All right.
So Dave,
really trying to get away
from Kyler Murray.
Mac Jones
scored 27.8
fantasy points last week.
Yeah, a good game.
Against Saints.
Yeah.
Here comes Arizona
with backup corners.
Yeah.
Super beat up.
Secondary.
Start McCaffrey, and which 49ers wide receiver you prefer?
You both prefer Jennings?
Yes.
I bet I end up there by the time we get to Sunday.
Right now I have Pierce All right tire.
As a number three?
No.
Both of them are number two wide receivers for me.
Both are number three for me.
I think Dave seems to be buying into the depleted secondary, good pass production kind of stuff here, right?
Yes.
Yeah.
more so than James.
It's not that I'm not.
There's a lot of good receivers this week.
Okay.
I like them both.
See if we have any Pearsall questions here or Jennings questions or anything like that.
There's a Jennings or Jameson question.
Okay.
Jennings or Jameson.
Jennings and I love Jamo.
There's a Kraft or Pierceall question.
Craft or Pearsall, PPR.
I would take Kraft if he plays.
Craft if he plays any practice.
is on Friday.
Jennings are worthy if he plays.
Jennings.
I kind of like worthy
against the Giants.
Pearsall or Abuka if he plays.
Abuka.
I currently have Pearsall
one spot higher.
Pearsall or, oh, sorry.
Are you saying something, Jamie?
No.
Oh, Pearsall or Higgins?
T. Higgins.
But I'll take Pearsall over Jaden Higgins.
Kinnish or Perogi?
Canish.
Yeah.
What's a parogi?
Similar thing.
Well, I don't like it then because I don't like Kanish's.
Kanishes are gross.
You're gross.
Go eat your cinnamon raisin.
I could terrible.
I can't remember the last time I've had a Kanish.
They're gross.
Remember they used to sell?
What did they used to sell?
Oh, Arapas.
Remember Arapas at the Orange Bowl?
Oh, I get one every time I go to a Canes game.
Oh, they would sell these.
They are not the same thing.
No, they're not, but they look kind of similar, I feel.
No, I don't think so.
Have a great weekend, everybody.
We'll talk to you out in the mailbag.
Got a great email about a guy.
What time are we doing?
Noon mailbag today.
12.10 p.m. Eastern time.
I don't know what kind of a rapist you're eating at them, but they don't look like
canishes whatsoever.
Aren't conishish like also yellow?
What color is a canish?
it's like
they do look similar
a rapis and canish's
look similar
I stand by
no they
oh my
canish
versus a rapa
is this a googleable
thing
oh wow they're identical
it says here
they're identical twins
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