Fantasy Football Today - Start or Sit (NFC); Beat the Waiver Wire; TB-CHI (10/09 Fantasy Football Podcast)
Episode Date: October 9, 2020Starting the show with Tom Brady zingers and a recap of TB-CHI! Who do we like better rest of season: Ronald Jones or David Montgomery? Chris Godwin, Mike Evans or Allen Robinson? Graham or Gronk!? ...... News and notes (10:40) including what you need to know about the Monday and TUESDAY games and the key injuries to monitor. Also, find out why Sean McVay didn't use Darrell Henderson last week (18:30) and check out our 60-second rankings disputes (20:55), Beat the Waiver Wire (26:00) and the Startometer (26:40) for MIA-SF, LAR-WAS and BUF-TEN ... Start or Sit for NYG-DAL (31:00), PHI-PIT (38:40), LAC-NO (44:35), CAR-ATL (52:10), MIA-SF (58:30), LAR-WAS (1:01:00), BUF-TEN (1:08:00) ... Email us at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com Listen to the brand new Fantasy Football Today in 5 podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-in-5/id1528634304 'Fantasy Football Today' is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Google Podcasts, Castbox, and wherever else you listen to podcasts. Follow the new FFT Twitch channel: https://www.twitch.tv/FFToday Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @BenSchragg Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCviK78rIWXhZdFzJ1Woi7Fg/videos Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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This is Fantasy Football Today from CBS Sports.
On his way to the end zone.
I'll tell you what I've done with this spectacular play.
It's time to dominate your fantasy league.
What a play! Off to the races! Touchdown!
Oh, he's done it again!
Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, Heath, and Ben.
Well, it's already been a pretty wacky year.
A lot of unpredictable stuff.
Anything crazier than the Bears being 4-1 and somehow winning that game.
They have won three games this year already while trailing by double digits. Welcome to the show, everybody.
We will recap the 20-19 victory for the Chicago Bears. Adam Azer with Dave Richard and Jamie Isenberg.
Start or sit for most of the NFC home games
plus Philadelphia and Pittsburgh.
And the last game we preview will be Buffalo and Tennessee
because we may not see that game,
but we're optimistic that it'll be played on Tuesday.
Well, it's true. It's true.
We got Tuesday football.
Hey, Adam.
Yes?
Guess what?
What?
Tom Brady thinks the Bears are 3-1.
Got anything else?
No, I used all my good ones on the fantasy football team.
Everybody, you got to listen to fantasy football today at 5.
JB's just firing zingers right after the game.
I said, I'll give you one of the, I think, three jokes I told,
which was when Adam was saying,
listen to the fantasy football at 7-5,
I said, Tom Brady loves this podcast,
except he calls it the fantasy football at 7-4.
Jamie was on fire.
You know, actually, interesting stat to come out of this game.
Tampa Bay, they have the lowest fifth down conversion rate in the NFL, guys.
All right, It's a,
let's,
let's get to this game.
When he holds up his hand,
most of the time there's rings on it.
So he has every right to do whatever he wants.
I guess.
I guess so.
I,
you know,
if he had been a crappier quarterback,
the media would have like pressed him on it.
Cause they asked about it once I think.
And he was like,
yeah,
we needed to do it.
We were going for a chunk there and they should be like,
Tom,
did you know what down it was? And they did. I mean, the old jokes were just all over chunk there. And they should be like, Tom, did you know what down it was?
And they didn't.
I mean, the old jokes were just all over the place.
Oh, yeah.
That was no good.
Okay.
So also, after we preview the game, we've got the start-o-meter, of course.
We've got beat the waiver wire, Eric Ebron.
I know we've talked about him a lot for this week.
But basically, his entire schedule, rest of season, is good.
So you can think about him.
We'll give you some DSTs to pick up for next week.
Some fun stats to know,
like how good the Panthers run defense has been
with Kwon Short playing.
60 seconds rankings disputes for a couple of wide receivers
that one plays for the Giants
and one used to play for the Giants.
We'll tell you why Daryl Henderson wasn't used last week.
I'll give you a quote from Sean McVay.
But 20 to 19 bears over the Buccaneers. the Giants. We'll tell you why Daryl Henderson wasn't used last week. I'll give you a quote from Sean McVay, but 20-19
bears over the Buccaneers.
Let's do
some comparisons to
talk about the relevant players in this game.
Who would you rather have rest of season?
David Montgomery,
who had 10 carries for 29 yards
and a touchdown, but also 7
catches for 30 yards. That's 10 catches
in his last two games without Cohen.
Or Ronald Jones, back-to-back 100-yard performances
and nine catches in his last two games.
Who would you rather have rest of season, Dave,
Ronald Jones or David Montgomery?
I would rather have Ronald Jones.
I think he's earning his way here.
Past couple of weeks without Leonard Fournette,
he's taken advantage of the situation.
He's one of the bright spots of this Tampa Bay offense or maybe I should say one of the more
consistent spots of the Tampa Bay offense and uh love what I've seen this is kind of what I was
hoping for just without the static of Leonard Fournette joining the team and and mucking it all
up a month ago but David Montgomery this is the second straight game where he's played at least 80 of the snaps
and had 10 carries there's there clearly the coaching staff does not love their run game right
now it's pretty interesting you couldn't expect too much though against the bucks right i mean
can you chalk it up to match sure but but at the very least you want to try and have some sort of
rushing presence from game to game no matter who you you play. Jamie, who would you rather have?
They didn't play the Bucks last week.
It was the same thing.
No, but they played a run defense is just as good.
And I think that's part of the problem because the Colts defense is great.
And so I look at what the workload is for David Montgomery right now.
And I'll take him because, as Dave said, which I don't think Ronald Jones is going to be bad, but he's going to lose touches to Leonard Fournette because you have to go based on
what we saw the first two weeks of the season when they were using both guys.
So then you factor in what happens when LaShawn McCoy or whatever Keishon Vaughn becomes
working in as well.
So I think it's gonna be a problem for Ronald Jones.
He would be a sell high candidate for me coming off this game.
And David Montgomery would be a buy low candidate because the fact that he's being used in the
passing game as much as he is, is going to be very exciting for him moving forward when
the matchups get
easier for him.
So you mentioned it,
the Carolina run defense has been better with,
with shortened there.
That's what they get next week.
So it could be another bit of a struggle for him,
but the fact that he's got 14 targets in the two games without Tariq Cohen
is very,
very encouraging.
And so I think you're going to see when the matchups get a little bit
easier for him,
some big games are ahead.
So I'll take David Montgomery,
but I think it's close. How many does ronald jones have in two games without leonard fournette right but it's not like coming back and the fact that he was active
last night shows he's probably going to play next week maybe yeah he was an emergency active i think
just in case of emergency 14 targets for jones the last two games so i don't know maybe it's the
same thing maybe they's the same thing.
Maybe they're the same guy,
but one of them's got a better offensive line.
One of them's playing with a better quarterback.
It's close.
I'll admit that it's close,
but you know how I feel about Rojo anyway.
Yeah, I know.
I just don't know how Bruce Arians feels about him.
And one thing he really can't do is catch.
Do you really think he feels badly about him?
I don't know, man.
After the last two games.
He shouldn't, but...
That's what I think. know, man. be a problem for him. Whereas David Montgomery sharing with Ryan Nall, who played one snap on offense and got a false start penalty. He's not going to be there. And Cordero Patterson's kind
of, I think, you know what he is, you know? So if Fournette takes 20% of the work, 30% of the work,
maybe 10% of the work, I don't know, but he's going to take work away from Ronald Jones.
And at some point it's going to be a problem. Okay. Let's do our next comparison here.
Who would you rather have rest of season or rank them?
Chris Godwin, Mike Evans, Alan Robinson.
Chris Godwin, Mike Evans, who has scored a touchdown,
at least one in every game,
and Alan Robinson, who is a PPR machine.
I'll still take Godwin first, Robinson second, and Evans third,
and that's the way I had it ranked in PPR.
Yeah, I don't know when Godwin's coming back,
so I think he would be third for me.
If I felt good about him playing in week number six,
then I'd probably put him first.
But I don't know when he's coming back,
and I don't know if he can stay healthy when he does come back.
I will take Evans, Robinson, Godwin.
Horrible day for Scott Miller.
Did not get one target.
Played 63% of the snaps.
He was banged up coming in, but that really stunk.
That was disappointing.
Decoy.
Yeah, right.
Who would you rather have rest of the season,
Rob Gronkowski or Jimmy Graham?
And did this game not get enough appreciation
for having two of the greatest pass-catching tight ends ever
facing off against each other in the twilight of their careers?
You know, both had some interesting moments.
Graham's touchdown catch was awesome.
And, you know, Gronk just does not look right.
He's just laboring all over the field.
But, you know, had decent numbers for what he's been this season.
I'd rather have Graham.
I'd rather have Graham too,
but I'd much rather find somebody else off the waiver wire every single week
than trust either one of these two.
I mean,
I think what you're saying is,
is,
is probably the way most people feel,
but Graham's been productive now in three or five games.
And it's hard to overlook that they use them in the red zone as much as
they do.
He could have had two touchdowns in that game.
It's true.
I thought his red zone targets came on the same drive.
Am I wrong? you might be right yeah
but no but he he was real close to scoring before he actually did score so that would be
two not two touchdowns in the game right but the broader point for jimmy graham and the stats
haven't updated on pro football reference but i'm pretty sure this is now the case i think he is now
tied for the lead in red zone targets with Aaron Jones.
That he is right up there in targets inside the 10-yard line, too.
That's where they look for him.
You see the error he got on that touchdown catch?
I mean, that makes dads everywhere feel good about themselves,
seeing something like that.
Anything else on this game?
I mean, do we want to talk about Mike Evans?
He's been very touchdown dependent.
He had two 100-yard games,
but both of those were without Chris Godwin.
He didn't look right last night.
Yeah, that's a good point.
He wasn't fully healthy.
So the extra time will help him.
Okay.
Yeah, must start.
All right.
You can say goodbye to Anthony Miller
if you haven't already.
Yeah.
20-19.
I cannot believe they won that game. I haven't already. Yeah. 20-19.
I cannot believe they won that game.
I just... Good for them.
Good for them.
The offensive line for Tampa Bay was terrible.
The most fraudulent 4-1 team in NFL history.
The Bears?
Yeah.
No, the other team that's 4-1, which is none.
Well, Tom Brady thinks they're 2-2.
All right.
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All right, the news and notes.
Tennessee Buffalo is going to be played Tuesday at 6, I hope,
because that's just awesome.
If you didn't listen to FFT in 5, Jamie mentioned it. This game, if it's played on Tuesday, it will count as week 5.
So that's good, but just be aware of that.
And the Bills are scheduled to play on Thursday.
That's not going to happen if they play on Tuesday.
I don't know why they're not playing on Monday.
They'll play... Anyway, okay, what I'm
saying is in week six, I don't know why they're not moving the game to
Monday. Tentatively, they're moving it to Sunday.
Bill's Chiefs.
But just move it to Monday.
Denver, New England
will be played Monday at 5 p.m.
So there's football all the time, ladies and gentlemen.
Injuries. Drew Locke
may not play this week at New England.
We don't know yet.
Justin Herbert named the permanent starter.
Jamie, Justin Herbert rostered in 61% of leagues.
Very enticing schedule coming up.
The Saints allow the fourth most fantasy points to quarterbacks.
Then it's the Jets, the Dolphins, the Jaguars.
What do you think about Herbert?
Is he a must-add?
Yeah.
I mean, you know, what you see from him through three starts
he's averaging over 300 passing yards per game he's got two games of the three with multiple
touchdowns he did uh some pretty admirable things against that Tampa Bay defense last week on the
road without Mike Williams and with Austin Eckler getting hurt so obviously Eckler's not back anytime
soon but hopefully Williams will return uh at this, most likely week six. This week's interesting because back-to-back road games, New Orleans looks like
they're getting healthy defensively with Marshawn Lattimore and Marcus Davenport practicing. So just
take that into account if you're starting Herbert this week, but I still think he's going to have
to throw. He should still have an opportunity to make some plays and he's a low end starter.
And so I think moving forward when the matchups get easier and he gets his guys back, then you're
going to really be excited about Herbert. So yeah, what he's shown you through
three games makes you should make you excited about what he could be. And, you know, like I
said yesterday, it's a, it's a tough decision, tough decision for Anthony Lynn feel bad for
Tyra Taylor, the way he got hurt. This was eventually going to happen. It just, you know,
it sucks for him for the way that it unfolded. Most of everybody has a quarterback. That's got
a bi-week coming up after this week.
Go ahead and see who Justin Herbert's playing
during that bye week.
And if you like the matchup, stash Herbert for that.
I think they get, I just noticed
because I have Dak Prescott in one league.
I think their bye is week 10.
And I believe Herbert gets the Jets in week 10.
I don't think so.
I think he gets them in week seven.
Oh, maybe he's on week six. Yeah, he's on bye. He's on bye in week 10. Yeah think he gets them in week seven. Oh, maybe he's on a buy in week 10.
Yeah, Herbert's on a buy in week 10.
Next week is the Jets.
He does get the Dolphins in week 10, though.
No, he...
Who does?
Herbert has the Dolphins.
You're right.
No.
Herbert's got the Dolphins at a different point.
Week seven.
Week seven.
No, I just said the schedule was great.
Saints, Jets, Dolphins, Jaguars.
That's his next four games.
Okay.
By the way, Austin Eckler is not on IR.
They're only committing to him missing one game at this point.
The initial reports were four to six,
but they haven't committed to putting him in IR.
So that is really interesting.
It could be something that happens this weekend
when they make a roster move.
Yeah, well, it better because it's not like baseball.
You can't backdate it, you know?
You miss three games from when you're put on IR.
I'm not wrong about that, am I?
It's not like, well, he missed week four,
we put him on IR on week five,
week four counts for that.
It doesn't.
No, it doesn't work that way.
It would be very telling to see
if they put him on IR this weekend.
Do we think Jimmy Garoppolo and Raheem Mostert are going to play against the Dolphins?
They were both limited.
Yes.
Okay, we're previewing that game
a little bit later.
Does that mean McKinnon is a sit?
No.
He's like a flex in non-PPR.
We don't know how healthy Mostert will be
while he's out there,
and I would imagine they're going to continue to do what they've done
for the past billion years and give multiple guys touches.
McKinnon's still a low-end starter both leagues for me.
Have you noticed, though, that they've really been kind of a one-back team?
Well, I mean, injuries have sort of forced their hand in that.
Yeah, but this year, Mostert was getting a pretty big amount of the work,
at least in Week 1, and then McKinnon was getting all the work in week three before he got hurt.
And then, you know, Wilson, I actually don't remember Wilson's numbers in week four.
He didn't do anything.
Yeah, that's what I thought.
So they've been a little bit more single back this year.
Yeah, I would imagine with some combination of Mostert, McKinnon, and eventually Coleman,
you're going to see multiple guys touch the ball.
All right, Julio Jones mispracticed.
We just don't know if he's going to play.
Chase Young did practice.
Tyron Smith for the Cowboys could be out
for the season. I mean, it hasn't really hindered their
offense, but that just really sucks.
They get ready for the Giants this week. Lamar
Jackson mispracticed with a knee injury and also
an illness. He is expected to play against Cincinnati.
Romeo Cornell is going to be a
head coach this week against the Jaguars for the Houston Texans.
He's going to become the oldest head coach in NFL history
at 73 years old and 112 days as well.
73 and 112 days.
But who's counting?
Byron Jones practiced for the Dolphins.
So it looks like he's going to play at San Francisco.
Philadelphia is pretty banged up.
A couple teams are banged up.
Philadelphia and the Bills come to mind.
Philadelphia, starting middle linebacker T.J. Edwards likely out.
They also have injuries to two defensive backs,
cornerback Avante Maddox, safety Rodney McLeod.
So that could help Ben Roethlisberger.
And for the Titans, on Tuesday getting the Bills,
you know, you're worried about John U. Smith.
Well, Matt Milano is not going to play.
He's week to week.
And also, Tredavious White has mispracticed.
And Levi Wallace, another cornerback, is on IR.
So the Bills' defense hasn't been great this year anyway.
And they're missing potentially three big pieces.
If I were Buffalo, I'd be fighting like hell to, like, complain about this game
and say it's threatening the health of our team if we play this game
and don't make us play this game
and try and be the only team in the league with two buys.
What would happen to the Titans then?
Oh, I guess the Titans would have two buys too.
Or maybe they forfeit it.
Yeah, make them forfeit it.
That's what I would say.
The Bills get a free win.
That wouldn't be fair.
I don't think they'd get a win,
but the Titans might end up being forced to take the L.
Yeah, I mean, you hope from the Bills' health standpoint,
the extra days gives those guys time to get back.
Hopefully.
Atlanta cornerback A.J. Terrell is off the COVID IR list.
He will play this week.
He played weeks one and two,
so I don't think this is going to be a huge deal.
No, they need the depth, though, at the very least.
And he wasn't terrible, if I recall.
All right.
Do you expect the following players? Alshon Jeffrey at Pittsburgh very least. And he wasn't terrible, if I recall. All right. Do you expect the following players?
Alshon Jeffrey at Pittsburgh?
No.
No, he mispracticed on Thursday
with an illness on top of the foot injury.
Michael Thomas on Monday night against the Chargers.
It's such a weird scenario
because they have a bye next week.
So, you know, it's tricky.
Just hopefully we get some answer by Saturday.
It's tricky.
Mark Andrews against Cincinnati.
Yes.
Joe Mixon at Baltimore.
Yes.
As of now, yes.
How about Jared Cook Monday night?
Trending in the right direction, but again, by coming up.
So you just got to keep an eye on that.
John Brown at Tennessee on Tuesday.
There was video of him hopping around on a bad calf.
At this point, I would say probably not.
But, you know, again, the extra day.
Yeah.
Well, if you can stash Cole Beasley, it might not be the worst idea.
Zach Moss.
Gabriel Davis, too.
Yeah.
Zach Moss.
He stepped up when Brown was out last time.
We'll see.
Again, extra day may help.
As of now, just he's limited in practice,
but that was the case
all last week too.
How about LaVisca Chenault
at Houston?
I didn't see what his
practice status was yesterday,
but I'm going to guess he plays.
I believe he was limited.
That's good.
Limited.
Yeah.
Okay.
All right.
We got a lot more
to get to here.
I do want to talk about this quote
from sean mcveigh it was about why daryl henderson didn't play more against the giants and they are
going to face washington this week uh so this is what sean mcveigh said about daryl henderson quote
he's good he got a good shot where we were just making sure he's feeling good so that's a reference
that he got a little banged up in the first half. He came back in, but really it was kind of a physical downhill kind of dirty type running game. We weren't really able
to run. We didn't get as many opportunities really because we weren't as efficient on third down.
That led to a lot of the lack of success, if you will, just at all offensively overall. I think you
look at what a small margin for error it was. To answer your original question, and then I'll go on
a little tangent myself,
we wanted to rotate those guys,
but the way that the game kind of ended up playing out,
Malcolm ended up getting more touches.
It was hard to get into any sort of rhythm.
That quote did not get into any rhythm,
but wow, he's all over the place,
but he wanted Malcolm Brown because it was more of a downhill game.
They weren't converting on third down.
They had a really bad offensive game against the Giants
last week. So, I don't know, Dave, what do you
make of this? Does this give you
more hope for Darrell Henderson?
That there was kind of an excuse that he didn't play, or
what? Well, first of all, he's a football
coach, not a speech coach. He needs
Grammarly, if I may say so.
That or David A's, or one
or the other he needs to have him be better at
talking in public spaces.
I did a little research on the Rams running backs and the snap counts for
them all.
And Malcolm Brown is either tied or led the way in playing time for them
every single week.
This season,
there was one week where he and Henderson were basically 50 50.
That was week three when Henderson had the big numbers,
but he's been the lead guy.
The touches have been a different story,
but Brown has been toward the top of that too.
If I had to pick one of the running backs for this week,
and it looks like there's going to be three of them because Cam Akers,
McVay said succinctly that he'll be good to go,
that I think Brown would be the one,
but it's with zero confidence and zero expectations.
The other thing I'll point out is that Cam Akers is at the bottom possible
price on draft Kings this week.
So kind of an interesting way to use him.
If you wanted to take the talent,
you know that he can potentially play the most if he gets off to a good
start against Washington and his price is dirt cheap.
All right.
60 seconds.
He's done the most route running for them.
Who has Brown?
They trust him on third downs.
Yeah.
I mean,
he's the
steady Eddie, so the other two guys are going to have
some boomer bust performances, as we've seen.
I think Dave said it best. He's the one that
you can trust if you want to trust any of them.
I would like a 60-second rankings dispute,
and I'm holding you guys to it. You each have 30
seconds to make your point. Darius Slayton
at Dallas. Darius Slayton's
26 for Jamie, 40
second for Dave. Jamie, you're more optimistic on Slayton's 26 for Jamie, 42nd for Dave. Jamie, you're
more optimistic on Slayton.
The Cowboys
stink.
The Giants
stink, Dave.
The Giants offensive line stinks
and Daniel Jones has a hard time throwing
off his back foot when he's getting
attacked from a pass rush.
Okay.
Who would start Darius Slayton
over Josh Kelly?
Anyone? Easy. You would? I think you'd do
that. I think you'd do that.
Not feeling it with Josh Kelly. Okay, next
60-second rankings dispute. Odell Beckham,
24th for Jamie,
9th for Dave.
Dave, you like Beckham
against Colts.
Yeah, he's going to rush for another 70 yards
and have Landry throw him another touchdown.
I do think that
push comes to shove. Cleveland will put
the ball in the air a little bit more. They don't have Chubb
this week. They're not going to have Chubb
for a while. I've
come to the conclusion that
they're just going to have to start to change
a little bit of their offensive philosophy by not having Chubb.
I don't think that Dearness Johnson can completely replace him.
And I think that they've built confidence in what they're doing with the passing game.
And I'm not buying Indianapolis's secondary as being good.
You want to say their pass rush is great and their run defense is great when it's healthy.
Side note, it's not fine.
But I think Odell does fine this week.
I think he ends up getting in the end zone again and maybe close to 100 yards.
Okay, Jamie, you like him, but not as much.
Yeah, no, I'm not chasing his points from last week when his wide receiver threw him a touchdown
and he had the 73 yards rushing like Dave said.
This is a good defense.
It may not be a great defense, but their pass rush is going to be a problem for Baker Mayfield
if in fact they decide to throw things, throw the ball more and change things up,
which I don't necessarily believe is going to happen even without Kareem
Hunt there because their identity is their identity.
And so I think this is going to be a game where both teams try to run at
each other.
And as he said,
this game could be done in 50 minutes just based on how these two teams
operate.
So I think Beckham's targets come down.
I don't trust them against a good defense until I see it multiple times.
And so he beat up on the Cowboys like Darius Slayton probably will.
And I think most teams probably will.
So I would take Slayton over Beckham if I'm playing in DFS for sure.
Okay.
Good news for the Colts, by the way.
Middle linebacker Bobby Okereke.
I don't remember how to pronounce this.
Okereke.
Okereke.
Okay.
He practiced in full yesterday.
And Darius Leonard is optimistic,
but he has not been practicing.
But it looks like they'll at least have one of those two linebackers this week.
Not that that's big for Beckham,
but, you know, could help for Kareem Hunt.
All right, just some stats to know.
Devin Singletary facing the Titans.
They allow 5.9 yards per carry to running backs.
That's the most facing the Titans. They allow 5.9 yards per carry to running backs. That's the most in
the NFL. So hopefully
he gets the work that we
need. It's a good matchup for him.
Same game, Ryan Tannehill. Three straight
quarterbacks have thrown for
311 or more yards
with two touchdowns against the Bills.
So that's a good matchup for
Tannehill. We'll talk about that again.
It's the last game we're going to talk about,
like I said, for obvious reasons.
Ian Thomas barely rostered.
If you're desperate for a tight end,
the Falcons have allowed seven touchdowns
to tight ends this season.
It looks like the Dolphins on paper
have a really bad matchup.
Myles Gaskin, I mean,
pass-catching running backs have been terrible
against San Francisco.
And Mike Kosicki, the last two games, the Niners have held Evan Ingram and Zach Ertz
to a combined seven catches for 29 yards on 10 targets.
Jamie, overall, do you think that this is a tough matchup for the Dolphins
or do you think it's just the 49ers haven't really been tested?
Both.
I mean, you know, the Dolphins are kind of one of those teams
that I don't know really what their strengths are yet because we have seen them kind of, you know, muck their way through a couple games.
One in a positive way against the Jaguars when they didn't have to do very much. And then, you know, the Bills game when those guys were banged up. Is that a fair assessment of the Dolphins offense when they're playing against no Matt Milano and no Jermaine Edmonds and Mike Kisecki went nuts.
Last week's game is probably more of an indication of who Miami is,
you know, where they just,
they can't run the ball with a lot of success.
Ryan Fitzpatrick has turnover prone.
So it's a long road trip against the team that is probably facing a similar
opponent to what they faced when they played well.
So I think you'll get a decent enough performance from Fitzpatrick because of
the volume that he has.
I don't want to trust miles Gaskin in anything outside of a flex and PPR.
And then Devontae Parker, as we've talked about many, many times this week already
on multiple platforms, he's really the only guy you should trust.
So that's kind of, I think, the Dolphins' offense until we start to see a little bit more.
And then who knows, after this week, we could see Tua.
It's hard for the Dolphins, I think, to look around the NFL and see how good Joe Burrow is
and how good Justin Herbert is
and say, we've got to keep starting Ryan Fitzpatrick
and not know what our rookie quarterback can do,
especially after they probably lose this game.
I guess so, but if they lose this game,
they're going to have lost to the Patriots, the Bills,
the Seahawks, and the 49ers.
It's not necessarily Fitzpatrick's fault.
The point is still starting Fitzpatrick.
Yeah.
All right, let's beat the waiver wire.
Well, Justin Herbert should certainly be on that.
Eric Ebron, 60% rostered.
Eagles this week.
Cleveland next week.
Tennessee.
I mean, it's just good matchup after good matchup.
I struggle with this segment sometimes.
Sometimes they're not the most obvious names.
If you still believe in Marquez Valdez-Scantling,
he's on a buy.
53% rostered at Tampa Bay next week.
You need a DST.
How about the football team at the Giants
or the Chargers at the Jets?
Both widely available.
You need a quarterback other than Herbert.
Kirk Cousins gets Atlanta.
And he's got Seattle this week.
Yeah.
And Kyle Rudolph gets Atlanta.
I don't know that there's any matchup
that's going to make you want to start Kyle Rudolph.
Yeah.
You could stream them both
for the next two weeks if you wanted to.
Yeah, Eric Ebron might be the prize.
We shall see.
Chargers and football team, DST.
Getting used to saying football team.
Start-o-meter for the last three games we'll preview today.
That would be Dolphins, Niners, Bills, Titans,
and Rams and football team.
Start-o-meter, Jimmy Garoppolo, if he plays against Miami.
Three and a half.
Ryan Fitzpatrick.
Five and a half.
Six.
Why so low on Jimmy Garoppolo?
Because you don't...
Yeah, and you don't have to start him.
There's just...
The problem with quarterbacks is that there are so many other guys
that you can put in there and say, all right, I think he will get me three touchdowns. Yeah, but you'd't have to start him. The problem with quarterbacks is that there are so many other guys that you can put in there and say,
all right, I think he will get me three touchdowns.
Yeah, but you'd rather have Fitz.
I don't think Garoppolo can get me three.
You'd rather have Fitzpatrick?
I'll start him over Brady this week.
You'd rather have Fitzpatrick than Tannehill?
Or than Garoppolo?
Garoppolo, yeah.
I would rather have Fitzpatrick.
I've got no basis for this.
It's just gut feeling that Fitzpatrick lights up the 49ers.
I wouldn't be surprised.
I mean, he's that type of guy.
And look, it's three straight games.
When we need him, he lets us down.
And then the week after that, no one's using him and he goes crazy.
It's three straight games of at least 20 points.
And he's running.
So those two things, his amount of pass attempts
and the amount of times he's running the ball,
those are the things you like.
I thought he scored 18.
Didn't he score 18 last week?
Or he scored 20?
Doesn't matter.
Okay, Miles Gaskin, 0-10.
Six and half in PPR.
Yeah, I would say six in PPR, four in non-PPR.
Raheem Mostert.
Seven. Eight in non-PPR, seven in PPR. Jarek McKinnon, and non-PPR. Raheem Mostert. Seven.
Eight, non-PPR, seven, and PPR.
Jarek McKinnon, assuming Mostert plays.
Seven in PPR, five in non.
Yeah, I would say seven and six.
Deebo Samuel and Brandon Ayuk.
Keep an eye on Samuel.
I think he left or didn't practice yesterday
with a non-COVID-related illness.
If he plays, I think he's a five and Iuke is a four.
I'd flip it.
I'd say Iuke five, Depot four.
Mike Kosicki.
Five.
Two.
Strict five, given the tight end landscape.
Devin Singletary.
Assuming Zach Moss plays Devin Singletary.
Ten.
Seven in non-PPR if Moss plays.
Eight in PPR.
John Brown.
If he plays, nine.
Six in PPR.
Seven in non-PPR.
Cole Beasley.
Six in both. Yep. Ryan Tannehill. seven and non-ppr uh cole beasley six and both yep ryan tannahill
five and both six better in ppr than non-ppr i'm i've got to be concerned about titans we'll talk
about it later but i mean the way that the last two weeks have gone for them without practicing
or anything like that like there's a chance they could... Yes, that's true.
There's a chance they could go out there
and look totally crappy.
Or they could just be really fresh and who knows.
Yeah, because it is a pretty good matchup,
especially with the injuries that the Bills have
and the points that the Bills are
probably going to put up. So, A.J. Brown.
If he plays,
which it seems like is going to to be the case i would say
seven especially with cory davis out johnny smith with milano out eight seven jared goff at
washington seven seven a rams running back at washington We've already addressed this. None of them are right. Antonio Gibson.
8 PPR, 7 none.
Sure. Terry McLaurin.
8 PPR, 7 none.
Yeah, it's true. You're going to start number one. He's going to get Ramseyed. That's fine.
Okay. And Tyler Higbee.
8 in both. 6 and a half.
Oh, why shortchange the listeners how about robert woods and cooper cup
you're gonna start them and both okay to the games giants to the game at cowboys yeah i'm
leading off with this game because i based on the rankings i get the sense that jamie's a lot
more optimistic about the giants they are the lowest scoring offense in the nfl but they are
facing one of the worst defenses in the nfl i get the sense he's more optimistic about the Giants. They are the lowest scoring offense in the NFL, but they are facing one of the worst defenses in the NFL.
I get the sense he's more optimistic about the Giants offense than Dave is.
We alluded to that a little bit with Darius Slayton.
Is that fair to say, guys, that Jamie's a little higher on the Giants?
Sure.
Everybody's probably a little higher on the Giants than me.
Not me.
The Giants are nine-point underdogs. The the total here is 54 it's a pretty big number
so um hopefully a lot of points in this game and uh all right so jason garrett revenge game that's
awesome that usually means something by the way when the former play caller or head coach comes
back as an offensive coordinator against his old team there's's success there. I guess we could start with the
Giants. I'll come back to the stat of the game. It's
kind of about Michael Gallup.
Daniel Jones,
you don't trust him. 19th for Jamie, 22nd
for Dave, rather. Actually, 14th
for Heath. But Daniel
Jones, he's faced four teams, and the
competition's been tough, but
every quarterback that's faced a Steelers
has scored 20 to 22 fantasy points, six points per passing touchdown league.
So he was normal there.
But against the Rams, against the Bears, and against the Niners,
Daniel Jones has scored the fewest points of any quarterback
that has faced those teams.
So he's been worse.
It's not just the competition.
He's just been bad.
So I'm going to start him.
Any interest in Devontae Freeman?
Flex? I mean, 15 touches
last week, four catches.
He's their guy, and
we'll see how he does. I mean, I don't think you
want to start Devontae Freeman, but we know you're down
Austin Eckler, you're down Nick Chubb.
You have Aaron Jones on a bye. You have
whatever Lions running back you may have been using on a bye.
So he's going to get work.
That's the floor.
The floor is work.
The,
the upside is probably not so high,
but I mean,
again,
if you're stuck,
you lean on somebody that's touching the ball.
He's the running downs guy and they'll throw to him on running downs to
running downs,
meaning not third down,
not second and long stuff like that.
But they've been using Dion Lewis more in that pass down situation.
Gallman has spelled him a little bit.
Gallman had a lucky long run last week.
So Freeman looked good.
I agree.
He's a flex.
Malcolm Brown, Daryl Henderson, Devante Freeman.
Who's the best?
Brown for sure.
You can make a case with Akers back that Freeman's better than Henderson.
I think you can make the case that Freeman's better than all three
because I think he's the safest to get 12 touches.
Okay.
Cowboys, 20th against running backs, 4.53 yards per carry to running backs.
I guess I don't – just to go back, I mean, in a DFS standpoint,
I know nobody's confident starting Daniel Jones, but –
I'm playing Jones in a bunch of tournaments.
Okay.
That was my question.
There's the upside there.
Yeah, for sure.
I mean, Dallas stinks.
They're not good.
The Giants also are not good.
Agreed.
Yeah, but the Cowboys are also like... They're like Chip Kelly, Oregon.
They run...
They're the fastest-paced team.
They score a ton of points.
They make it tough on their defense.
So, you know, that's part of it, too.
Maybe it'll get better when Vander Esch comes back next week.
Oh, you bastard.
Darius Slayton, we already talked about.
Jamie likes him.
Heath loves him.
He's got him top 20.
And Dave outside the top 40.
How about Golden Tate?
I mean, the Cowboys have really struggled with slot receivers.
Tate's only 51% on starter sit.
And you know what?
How about Tate, Slayton, Devontae Freeman?
Who's the best flex option for the Giants?
Slayton.
I think Slayton because of the upside.
But Tate's not far behind.
Certainly not PPR.
Okay.
And are we starting Evan Ingram this week?
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
I think he's the one you can feel the best about.
Yeah.
Boy, the Cowboys have been so bad against tight ends.
Hurst, 72 yards.
I still think he's risky, but it feels like he's the one you could go with this week because of the target share.
Hurst, 72 yards and a touchdown.
Olsen, 61 yards.
Hollister, a touchdown.
Hooper, 34 yards and a touchdown. So Ingram might have his Hollister, a touchdown. Hooper, 34 yards and a touchdown.
So Ingram might have his best game of the year.
If you're making plays against you, you know you're not good.
Yeah.
Dallas, Dak Prescott, start him.
The weird thing about this game is if you look on paper,
the Giants' defense has been pretty solid this year.
They don't give up a lot of big plays.
They've given up the fewest pass plays of 20 plus yards
they've given up only one pass play of 40 plus yards it was a busted coverage against cooper
cup last week fifth fewest yards per game fifth fewest yards per play 10th highest pressure
percentage that's like pressures and sacks and hurries, basically, on dropbacks. I don't get it. I don't buy it.
But so far, the Giants have been pretty good defensively.
And I think, you know, everybody expects the Cowboys to put up a ton of points.
Start Dak.
Start Zeke.
Start Cooper.
How do we feel about Lamb and Gallup this week?
And that's why I brought up the stat about the big pass plays.
The Giants, so far, among the best in the NFL in limiting big pass plays. The Giants so far among the best in the NFL in limiting big pass plays
that could be
because they face the Bears,
Nick Mullins,
the Rams don't really
throw downfield.
Did Mullins go for 300
against them?
Yeah, they didn't play
well against him,
but I don't think he had
any big pass plays.
In fact, I know he didn't.
I think with Gallup,
you just kind of understand
that there's going to be
a couple of weeks
where he's great and several weeks where he's boom or bust, um, more boom.
I mean, more bus, excuse me.
So in a matchup like this, where, you know, yes, the numbers may suggest that this is
a good defense.
I don't buy it.
Like you said, Adam.
So he's a number three receiver.
You know, I don't think a lot of people are going to sit there and say, I have to start
Michael Gallup.
He's much better in DFS than he is in redraft because when he has one of these big games, you're going to be happy about
that. But this is, you know, kind of been the flaw coming into the season is there's a lot of
mouths to feed in this offense. And he's not going to get the same volume of targets that he was used
to getting last year. If I told you for sure that John Brown was out Tuesday, would you start Cole
Beasley or Michael Gallup?
In a hypothetical where we know the game is going to be played
and Cole Beasley is going to start.
I'm starting Beasley over Gallup now.
Okay.
And in non-PPR, it would be close.
I would do it in non-PPR.
Would you start Marquise?
Lamb ahead of Gallup, obviously.
Marquise Brown or CeeDee Lamb?
Lamb.
Lamb in PPR.
Probably Lamb and non-PPR as well.
This Lamar Jackson injury is a little bit concerning.
Just from the standpoint of, like we saw last week,
they'll build a lead and they can pull him
and still win the game.
How about Jamison Crowder or CeeDee Lamb?
Lamb in both.
Okay.
All right.
Let's go to our next.
Oh, Dalton Schultz.
He's played two home games so far.
He's got 100 yards and two touchdowns in both those games.
That's pretty good.
Let's talk about Pittsburgh and Philadelphia here.
And Dalton Schultz, by the way, is a top six or seven tight end.
He is a must-start tight end, even though, once again,
the Giants have been good against tight ends somehow.
And Dallas' DST, probably don't want to use them but jamie's got him 11th he's the highest on him
i mean look you know like i said i think daniel jones gonna have a good game but you got to play
the history of daniel jones he's got you know no touchdowns and three interceptions in three games
so if you we talked about this when we're looking at the waiver wire there aren't a lot of great
streaming dst options so this could be one that helps you and i can still see daniel jones have
like a three and
three type of game. You know, he can go all James Winston on you this week. I could see him have a
one in three type game though, as well. Like the Cowboys defense isn't any good at all, but that
Giants offensive line, it's getting pummeled every single week. This is, this is bad for them.
It's bad. It's not going to work out. Philadelphia is at Pittsburgh. Mentioned all those injuries that the Eagles are dealing with defensively.
But here's your stat of the game.
Pittsburgh allows the fifth most fantasy points to wide receivers.
Does that matter to you in this game
where nobody wants to start an Eagles wide receiver?
I mean, Greg Ward's a dart throw at this point,
depending on who's going to play.
Deshaun Jackson would be interesting if he's back.
So just keep an eye on that practice.
He was limited on Thursday.
If Alshon's out there, I think you want to give him a game
before you trust him.
But, you know, if you're desperate,
he could have some opportunities.
I feel like you got to give Deshaun a game too, though.
Like, how can we rush to trust him
when he might not even be able to stay healthy for the game?
And even when he does play, it's not guaranteed.
But still, you know, he's been playing.
I mean, Alshon's been out for almost a year.
Yeah.
So this is going to be certainly a tough challenge for the Eagles.
The Steelers have the best pass rush in the NFL.
Kind of a cool stat on pro football reference.
If you go to seasons and you just click on 2020
and you click on the defensive stats, you can get the sack rate.
You can get the hurry rate and you get the pressure rate,
which kind of encompasses everything.
And the Steelers are just like miles ahead of most teams.
The Eagles actually lead the NFL in sacks.
The Steelers are second, but the Steelers have played one fewer game.
Right. The Eagles have a pretty good pressure rate themselves.
I think they might be one and two in pressure.
I'd have to double check and look, but I know Philadelphia
is up there. Philadelphia also has a terrible
offensive line like the Giants. That's what I was
getting at. Yeah, right. That's
that's obviously in play and why
Wentz isn't as good of a quarterback as he's
been in the past. Pressure rate.
Steelers are at 46.5%.
That's the amount of pressures
they get per drop back. That's hurries plus
knockdowns plus sacks.
They're almost half of the dropbacks.
They're putting pressure on the quarterback.
The Eagles are like seventh.
The Patriots are number two, which surprised me a little bit.
Yeah, no, it's going to be tough sledding for the Eagles, you have to say.
Miles Sanders, really tough matchup for him.
Hasn't been great and struggled last week.
Is he a must start?
Who are some guys that you would
be like, Mike Davis, James Robinson.
You're starting them over Miles Sanders.
First two names that came to my mind were
Mike Davis and James Robinson.
If Mostert's out, I'd start McKinnon over him too.
Yeah.
If Mostert's in, you'd start Sanders over both
Niners guys? I would start
Mostert over Sanders in non-PPR.
You would? Okay.
Would you start Deontay Johnson or Miles Sanders?
Still Sanders.
I mean, he's still going to get a lot of work,
and he's shown you in the past
he could still have some success,
especially in the passing game against tough matchups.
So hopefully that's the case.
They've got to use a screen game a little bit more,
try and be a little bit more creative.
It's just the offensive line has been a problem.
Okay.
How about, so we talked about the wide receivers for the Eagles.
Tough to trust.
Zach Ertz, start or sit?
I would try and sit him if he can.
Steelers are great.
Steelers are great at taking away tight ends.
I know Noah Phan had a nice touchdown a couple of weeks ago against them,
but the combination of the pass rush on Wentz and the 49ers last week
gave single coverage to hurts,
literally covered him with one guy and hurts could never break away from him.
So when he did make the catch, couldn't gain yards after the catch.
So I think he's changing a little bit.
I don't think he's as good as he used to be.
And the volume you can tell just by looking at the stats
isn't what it's been before.
So I am nervous about Zach Ertz being helpful this week
for fantasy managers.
Yeah, if you have Schultz or Ingram,
some people dropped Ingram, 10-team leagues.
Those guys have a higher ceiling this week,
at least in my opinion.
I don't think Ertz is the best tight end in this game. Huh? I don't think Urch is the best tight end in this game.
I don't think Urch is the best
tight end in this game.
I will take Ebron.
I don't know if he might be the most productive, but
I still start Urch over
Ebron.
Excuse me.
Ingram, Ebron, again.
Sorry,
Jamie, I shouldn't have put those games back to back.
I'm sorry.
Ben Roethlisberger is pretty steady this year.
Twenty seven fantasy points.
Twenty two.
Twenty three.
He's finished his QB eight QB 15 and QB 13.
And the Eagles so far have been good.
But like I said, they are banged up.
So and plus, you know, they weren't good against golf.
They weren't very good against Burrow.
They were good against the Niners garbage and Dwayne Haskins.
Burrow was overtime, though.
That's true.
And he threw a lot.
But Roethlisberger, you feel good about him this week or what?
Yeah.
I mean, I don't know if he's a top five quarterback,
but he certainly got a chance to be in the top ten.
And, you know, you look at it.
I think I told this yesterday, Adam, his number's coming off a buy.
He's like 23 fantasy points per game his last five on average.
So he doesn't necessarily have a lot of blow-up games,
but I think everyone has been over 20 fantasy points.
So he won't hurt you, and he's got a healthy Deontay Johnson.
He's got a good matchup for Eric Ebron.
He's got Juju due for another breakout game.
So this team should be as healthy and ready to go
as they've been since week one.
Okay, and James Conner must start?
Of course.
How about Juju? I know the targets haven't really
been there. How are you feeling about Juju?
He should avoid the play, so
easy. Okay, do you like him better
than Deontay Johnson?
Yes.
Yes.
For this week.
Oh, interesting. Eric Ebron, we've talked about. For this week. Right. Oh, interesting.
Eric Ebron, 52% rostered and top 12, right around 10th, 11th in the rankings.
So Ebron or Ingram, Jamie?
Ingram over Ebron.
Ebron behind Ertz.
Oh, a lot of these.
A lot of alliteration there.
Yeah, I'll go Ingram, Ebron, Ertz. Oh, a lot. A lot of these. A lot of alliteration there. Yeah, I'll go Ingram,
Ebron, Ertz.
Okay. Pittsburgh DST
is number two for
Dave and Jamie, number four for Heath.
So there you go. That's Philadelphia
at Pittsburgh. Let's go to the Chargers at the
Saints. Stat of
the game, the Saints
allow the second most fantasy points to
tight ends. Do you have
faith in Hunter Henry? Would you start him
over the three guys we talked about, Ingram,
Ertz, Ebron, the three E's? Hunter Henry
or the three E's? I would start
double H over the three E's.
Yes. Five touchdowns
allowed to tight ends plus 100 yards to Darren
Waller.
We'll stick with the Chargers. Justin Herbert
in a good matchup.
Would you start him or maybe Jared Goff, who might not have to throw much?
If Lattimore and Davenport play, I'd start Goff over Herbert, but Herbert's still in
that 11 through 13 range.
I'd go Goff either way.
Okay.
How about Herbert or Cousins?
Herbert.
I have Herbert over Cousins for now.
It's probably going to be how I end up.
Davenport was limited on Thursday.
Lattimore was also back at practice.
He was limited.
Janoris Jenkins was not at practice.
Yeah, again, it's just, you know, the Saints have a bye coming up.
You know, you just wonder what they're going to do with these guys that are banged up.
Yeah, there's a chance they could practice all weekend and not play.
How about Chargers running backs?
I can't imagine anyone's too confident
in Justin Jackson, but how are we feeling about Josh
Kelly this week against the Saints?
They allow 3.57 yards
per carry to running backs, and
they're good. We know they're a good run defense.
What do you think about Kelly?
I would try and get away from
both of them. We know
that Kelly's had the fumbles in the past couple
of games. He hasn't looked particularly good.
Neither of these guys really looked great last week.
Kelly out-snapped Jackson
for what it's worth after the Eckler injury
and he played more in the second half.
So if I had to start one, it would be Kelly.
I would like to have either one or
both on my bench, but you
really shouldn't start either one unless you're desperate.
Kelly or Dearness Johnson this
week? Kelly. I you're desperate. Kelly or Dearness Johnson this week?
Kelly.
I'd go Kelly.
Kelly or PPR,
would you be desperate enough to start Golden Tate
or Jarvis Landry over Josh Kelly?
I'd probably go
with the receivers. Not Landry.
Okay.
How about the Chargers wide receivers?
Just Keenan Allen yes no concerns even
if latimore plays none okay hunter henry top seven top five for dave and jamie although i
think six top six of ppr um drew breeze starter sit drew breeze guys I'm okay calling him a start. Yeah. Didn't work out so well last time.
It actually did.
It did?
Oh, he did because of stupid Camara.
Oh, not stupid.
Because of Camara.
He did not play that well.
But Camara had like all that yak.
Yeah, he had 288 and three in that game.
Damn.
Camara had like half the yardage.
Damn.
If you just want a comparison,
an old quarterback took on a Chargers team at home last week
without his best wide receiver and did well.
Five touchdowns.
Oh, you know what?
Okay, listen.
The Chargers defense is decimated right now.
Five touchdowns to Brady last week.
They have put two starting defensive linemen on IR.
Derwin James is obviously out for the year.
Chris Harris is out.
So things have changed for sure.
I'm sorry.
I shouldn't have said that it didn't work out so well.
That was my bad.
But I just, he didn't, he didn't play great.
He does not look right.
He does not have, he's not having the best of seasons
and obviously not having Michael Thomas for three games
is a big reason why.
He may not have Thomas and Jared Cook,
or he may have both.
So as we sit here on Friday, I think he's a low-end starter without those guys
because you got good production last week,
at least from Emmanuel Sanders and Traequan Smith.
You know what Kamara is capable of as a pass catcher.
And this Chargers defense is banged up.
If he gets both those guys back, he's a potential top five quarterback
because of how bad this defense looks and the fact that he's at home in prime time.
I know it's not the same because of the fans,, but still that spot for him has always been good.
Okay. Uh, so what do you think about, obviously if Michael Thomas plays, people are going to
start him. What do you think about Emmanuel Sanders and Trey Kwan Smith, uh, you know,
with and without Michael Thomas, I wouldn't want to play either one. Uh, you gotta be encouraged
by the targets for, you know, this is the thing I think that could be good for the saints moving forward
and maybe good for fantasy as well,
is that those two guys have had to make plays in place of Michael Thomas.
And so now there's a trust factor for drew breeze.
There's a trust factor for Sean Payton.
You go back to the preseason and breeze was saying,
this is a breakout year for trick one Smith.
Now I'm sure by the time the year is over,
based on the numbers that he's compiled in the three games without Thomas,
then whatever he does by definition, it will be a breakout season.
But he's shown you that he could do different things.
And Sanders has shown you that, OK, maybe he's not a broken down wide receiver and can still make some plays when he's not getting, you know, tough coverage.
So I think those guys will be number three receivers, but it's hard to trust them if Michael Thomas plays.
And the fact that you have to make that decision probably Sunday morning makes it even harder because of the Monday night game.
You said you don't want to play.
Sorry.
Let me just follow up on that real quick.
I'm sorry.
You said you don't want to play those guys, Sanders and Smith.
But are you meaning with Thomas or even if without Thomas?
Okay.
Without Thomas.
Yeah.
Okay.
And Jared Cook, if he plays, will be what?
Startable.
Yep.
All right.
Probably worth saying a must-start tight end,
simply because there aren't a lot of tight ends that have his type of upside.
He'd be behind the guys in the Giants-Cowboys game.
He'd be ahead of Ebron for me.
He'd be ahead of Ertz.
You wouldn't get cute and start Ian Thomas over him.
No. I might consider starting him ahead of the guys in the Gi't get cute and start Ian Thomas over him. No,
I,
I,
I might consider starting him ahead of the guys in the giants Cowboys game.
It would be hard to start him over Schultz and full PPR,
but I think he could end up having five catches,
75 yards and a touchdown pretty easily.
Yeah.
Both teams.
He's done that like once in the last two years.
It feels like he gets,
it feels like he gets one or the other pretty much every week yeah he had
a five for 80 game in week one that was like a high for him last like two seasons was it really
because he's been so good the last touchdown dependent i well he was the number two tight
end the last eight games of the year and touchdowns not just okay i mean let's go for it i just don't
see him going for five for 75 in a touchdown. It'll be either be one or the other.
Fine.
Well, this team, that's fair to say he doesn't get 75 yards in the touchdown every single week.
Both teams in this game really bad against tight ends.
Actually, Chargers have struggled there to sit the DSTs.
Carolina's at Atlanta.
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Carolina's at Atlanta. Atlanta banged
up in the secondary even though they're getting
their cornerback back.
They took a big hit at safety in week four.
Just out of the game, I kind of gave this earlier,
two games with Kwon short.
The Panthers are allowing less than four yards per carry to running backs.
They've been really, really good against running backs, 3.76.
So Todd Gurley coming off a nice game scoring touchdowns.
Do you guys consider Todd Gurley a must start running back?
He's a number two running back.
He's touchdown dependent running back,
but he just keeps finding ways to score.
And I think that at this point,
fantasy managers just have to shrug their shoulders and say, okay, fine.
I'll deal with it.
You drafted Gurley.
You know what he is.
You put them in your lineup and you count on it.
By the way, short's been great for the Panthers.
Derek Brown, their rookie defensive tackle,
was a game wrecker last week against Arizona.
He's part of the reason why Kenyon Drake couldn't get going.
So if the Falcons' offensive line were beat up or really, really bad,
I would imagine the Panthers would totally control that line of scrimmage this week.
But keep an eye on Derek Brown.
He's awesome.
He's been a little up and down, apparently. I was reading about it this week. He started off slowly. Yeah, but you have to wonder. Last brown he's awesome he's been a little up and down apparently he's
reading about it this he started off slowly yeah but you have to wonder last game or two he's been
good just playing next to kawan short make derrick brown better i i would assume it does oh i'm sure
it does right i remember at the combine um when you know obviously chase young was getting all
the buzz and rightfully so that uh Pete Prisco-Drink was saying
that Derek Brown's the best defensive player in this draft
and may not be close.
And, I mean...
Well, bold talk for a top-ten pick.
Well, I mean...
Yeah, it was a...
We looked at the Panthers' draft, and we were like,
damn, they did really well for themselves.
So far, it seems...'s getting gross where they did.
You know, he was a first round pick and he fell to the second round.
OK, other stat of the game.
Number two, every quarterback or team QB, if you want to look at the Bears, since they made a mid game change that has faced the Falcons, has finished top five.
So four touchdowns to every quarterback.
Wow.
Bridgewater or Matt ryan even if julio plays yep no okay mike davis must start top eight how about this robbie
anderson is a top 20 wide receiver for everybody dj moore is a top 20 wide receiver for everybody. DJ Moore is a top 21 wide receiver for everybody.
I like Anderson a lot in DFS
because you want somebody in this game
and he's cheaper than DJ Moore
and he's getting a lot more targets.
He has eight or more targets
and 99 or more yards in three of four games.
DJ Moore has a combined 10 targets in his last two games
and wide receivers are killing Atlanta.
But basically every wide receiver that's done well against Atlanta has had at least eight targets.
The only exception would be Anthony Miller, who had two catches, 41 yards and a touchdown.
So I'm not even going to ask you if you're worried about Robbie Anderson.
I'm going to ask you, are you worried about DJ Moore at all?
Not this week.
I mean, this is the breakout game.
I know he did well against Tampa.
Hopefully, that's the same type of performance you're getting.
It's weird that he's the one running the deep routes
and Anderson's running the short routes.
So you'd like to see the opposite
because that's how successful DJ Moore was last year.
But in this game, based on the matchup, you're starting both.
If you have to decide, I think you start Anderson
just based on what you've seen.
I'm not sure if that's true. I think they're both running a ton
of short routes. And I just think that that's the nature of the beast for, for Carolina and what
their offense is. I love it. Anytime DJ Moore can play against zone coverage. And I don't think the
Falcons are going to start tinkering with their defense now and start playing more man when
they've got so many issues, especially at safety. So if they're going to play zone coverage, DJ Moore can beat that.
And I think the Panthers know that they've been missing him.
This could be a big breakout game for DJ Moore.
Breakout being he sucked for so long.
Now he's finally going to be good.
So I'd roll with him again this week.
Two touchdowns for DJ Moore.
I love it.
That would be great.
That would be making up for lost time.
Now I'll add this.
If it ends up going down that Robbie Anderson has a big game
and DJ Moore stinks again, you really
got to start reconsidering it because this is
as easy of a matchup as it gets.
If he can't get it done here and if he doesn't get the targets
here, then something's up. Something's wrong.
Well, look, Robbie Anderson
is a changed player. His
ADOT, his average depth of target in his
last three seasons. What's that?
Big reason.
Yeah.
This is how far his routes are, basically, when he's targeted.
15.7 yards in 2018.
One reason.
Hold on.
14.6 yards in 2019 and 9.1 yards.
That's his ADOT this year.
So it's a good fit for Bridgewater.
That's great information.
There's only one reason why he's better
oh Adam Gase he lost
Adam Gase
Ian Thomas
so the Falcons allow the most fantasy points to tight
ends Jamie's actually got Thomas 12th and non
PPR 13th and PPR
okay okay
Dave and Heath much lower you need him to score probably
Matt Ryan
currently 17th for Jamie and 16th for Dave,
at least as of yesterday, but that's without Julio?
Yes, correct.
Okay.
Todd Gurley, a number two running back.
Would you start Todd Gurley?
Oh, man.
Todd Gurley or CeeDee Lamb?
Lamb and PPR.
Probably Lamb in both.
Okay.
I might go Gurley in non-PPR.
DJ Moore or Gurley?
Moore in PPR, Gurley in non-PPR.
I will take Moore in PPR as well.
Calvin Ridley in his last three halves
has one catch for 24 yards
on 10 targets.
It's basically coinciding with Julio Jones
getting injured.
Worried?
Not yet. Yeah, of course.
They've been so close.
Okay.
They've been banged up in those halves, too.
Were his hands banged up
dropping so many passes last week?
I'm worried about him
getting the focus of the defensive coverage.
And I know that we're not supposed to
love Carolina's defense, but they've been playing pretty well.
I think they're getting better faster
than we thought they would. If Julio's not there,
I think you've got to downgrade expectations
for Ridley. Start him, but he's a number two
wide receiver. Yeah, I mean, he was a top five receiver
with Julio.
How about Russell Gage?
He's only 58% rostered.
What do you think about Gage this week?
Number three receiver, better in PPR than none.
Yeah, I don't want to trust him in non-PPR.
And Hayden Hurst is startable, low-end starter.
That's that game.
Let's go to Miami at San Francisco.
Generally speaking, how do you see this game playing out?
Miami at San Francisco.
Niners running the ball like crazy.
Ryan Fitzpatrick making wacky plays,
keeping the Dolphins in it till the end.
30 to 20, 49ers win.
They get a defensive score on a pick six.
Fitzpatrick throws two touchdowns and goes for 300 yards with two picks
we've covered a lot of this on the start-o-meter Devante Parker is a is a must start although Dave
has him 26th and non-PPR 21st in PPR Jamie's got him top 15 Mike Kosicki's got a real challenge
here against this team uh would you start Hayden Hurst over Mike Kosicki?
Yes.
Yes.
Would you start Myles Gaskin over any Rams running backs?
All of them.
In non-PPR, I'll take Malcolm Brown.
In PPR, I'll take Gaskin.
Would you start Myles Gaskin over Josh Kelly?
Yes.
In non-PPR, I'll take Kelly.
In PPR, I'll take Gaskin.
You're not so high on Jimmy Garoppolo.
And then Raheem Mostert.
So McKinnon's a must start if Mostert's out.
Why are you convinced that McKinnon's still going to be worth using maybe in PPR if Mostert plays?
Is it just because you think the health?
I'm not convinced, but I'll take my chances
just given what he's shown you so far this season.
And the fact that he's scored in every game,
that's at least something you can hang your hat on
if you're talking about, okay,
does he have a chance for a big play?
Sure, he's shown you that when the guys were healthy.
Is Mostert going to get his usual workload?
Is he 100% coming off a two-game absence
with a knee injury?
So I think McKinnon's going to have a big enough role
that you can trust him as a low-end starter
in both formats.
So if Mostert plays, let's compare him to Todd Gurley, who we say is like a number two running back with probably a tough matchup.
He hasn't he's not very good.
He doesn't catch any passes.
He probably needs to score.
So probably.
Yeah, it needs to score.
So Mostert or Gurley?
Mostert.
Mostert.
OK, sorry.
Start starters at George
Kittle what he could
be okay yeah your
favorite 49ers wide
receiver or Jarek
McKinnon assuming
most are plays still
McKinnon Iuke McKinnon
Samuel Rams at Washington.
Oh, San Francisco DST is top eight.
Rams at Washington.
Washington allows the fifth fewest fantasy points
to wide receivers.
What do you think about that?
This is another one I don't understand.
I don't think their defense is playing that well.
Maybe it's a byproduct of who they've played.
Maybe it's a byproduct of their they've played. Maybe it's a byproduct of their pass rush
early on in the season.
But I don't think
they've got a bunch of
solid cornerbacks
that are playing great right now.
I'm not sure
if I'd buy that stat at all.
This week,
I definitely don't buy it
against the Rams.
Okay.
Yeah.
I don't think they've had
no wide receivers
at 70 yards yet
against Washington.
Marquise Brown. Oh, no. Before yards yet against Washington. Marquise Brown...
Oh, no, before Marquise Brown.
Marquise Brown had 86 yards.
And I think that...
Marquise Brown probably should have had a huge game.
Just missed the touchdown.
They've allowed 30 points in three straight games.
So that's Washington.
But they're seventh...
It's crazy.
So they played Philadelphia in week one,
and they didn't have a lot going for them at wide receiver.
But at tight end, I think they did okay. Arizona in week two, Hopkins had a good game against them. Cleveland in week one, and they didn't have a lot going for them at wide receiver, but at tight end, I think they did okay.
Arizona in week two, Hopkins had a good game against them.
Cleveland in week three, I think Odell did.
No, they did not do well.
Not great.
They ran all over Cleveland.
Right.
And then Baltimore last week, the Ravens ended up not having to throw that much.
Brown almost had a touchdown on the deep ball,
but he was ruled down at the one.
But they gave up the touchdowns to the tight ends.
Isn't that what could happen in this game?
Dave, last week you were saying
you didn't really love Jared Goff
because you didn't think he was going to have to do much.
And this week you got him in your top 10.
And Jamie, I think you have Goff like 13th.
My ranking of Goff this week is in reaction to last week
and how the Rams were dissatisfied
with how their offense ran.
And I think that they're a talented enough and disciplined enough team to
bounce back from it this week,
even though they're on the road,
even against a team that's been great against wide receivers.
I'm,
I'm thinking that they come out doing executing very well.
I don't know where golf ceiling is because,
you know,
we've seen some really up and down performances.
Like he was a surprise against Buffalo because that's really where you start
to see the flaws in Buffalo's defense. And, you know,
he played great in a comeback effort.
He had the three touchdowns against Philadelphia,
but it felt like it was kind of like not fluky, but,
you know,
three touchdowns to a tight end is kind of like there's busted coverage and
there's just, you know, taking advantage of a certain situation.
Like he's playing really well from an NFL standpoint, he's just not having these big blow-up fantasy
games i don't know if this is the spot i wouldn't be surprised if it is but i don't know if this is
the spot that it happens because typically like we saw from him last year and you bring this up
all the time adam is the volume for him is when you start to see those big games like the buffalo
game so i don't know if this is going to be one of those spots because, like you said, I don't think they have to do it,
but he could have a Philadelphia game
where it's just kind of like an effortless,
three-touchdown, 200-yard type of game.
I don't think he's going for 402.
Not unless Kyle Allen plays really, really well.
Here's the secret.
If you think Tyler Higbee has a chance to score,
that means Jared Goff has a chance to throw three touchdowns.
You know who he's kind of becoming?
He's like Jimmy
Garoppolo with a little bit more
passing.
Yeah, this team.
But the thing about Garoppolo is always great
yards per attempt. Always great. Jared
Goff is completing 72.1%
of his passes. That's a career high. That's a huge number.
He's 8.7 yards per attempt so far. That's a career high. That's a huge number. He's 8.7 yards per attempt
so far. That's a career high.
4.9% touchdown rate is right
on schedule for him, right around his career average.
It was very low last year. So, you're getting
32 passes, like, maximum.
And their
defense is good and probably going to
turn over Washington. You know what I'm
getting at. The game script isn't great for Goff, but he's
been so efficient.
I think the thing, you made
a good comparison there because what did Sean McVay
spend a lot of time talking about with the backfield?
Yeah, you're right. Which team did he want to mirror? They're morphing
into the Niners. How about that?
Wouldn't it be a bad thing for them? No, it would be bad for
fantasy, but not for them.
Well, if he's still in the 30s
in these games, remember, they still have to
face Seattle. That's going to be some high volume games.
They're probably not going to have the same success, you know, with low volume against
the 49ers.
The game that's a little concerning when you're just looking at these numbers is the Cowboys
game, because that's a game you thought, OK, maybe they could be in a shootout.
And that wasn't the case in week one.
Right.
Yeah.
Well, he just didn't throw a touchdown in week one, but he played well, like you said. All right. So the Rams wide receivers, it's just tough to get away from
them. The Rams running backs, it's easy to get away from them. And Tyler Higbee, like Ebron and
Ebron over him. If he doesn't score, he's going to be bad. That's the problem.
Right. Washington has allowed the fourth most fantasy points to tight ends. That is a little skewed. They faced the Eagles. They faced
Mark Andrews.
Yeah, so
Ebron or Higby?
Higby.
There's more touchdown potential in this game
just based on what he should be able to do.
Sit Kyle Allen and
start Antonio Gibson. How about
Gibson versus Gurley and Mostert?
Where do you rank them?
Gibson over Gurley and PPR.
Mostert over both.
Yeah, I'm down with that.
Gibson looks great most of the time.
His speed is awesome.
They're getting more involved in the passing game.
I think moving to Kyle Allen
will actually be really good for Gibson.
But there's still little nuances in his game
where you can tell that he's just raw as a running back,
but they Washington has proven that they don't care about that.
They're absolutely willing to take those lumps with him and they're giving
him a lot of work and I'm thrilled with it.
They made a big deal about how,
and this was kind of the,
with the benching of Dwayne Haskins was last week was the first time they
really started throwing to the running backs and it was Gibson and JD
McKissick and their involvement was up.
And you saw Gibson with, I think it was four for 82 passing game.
He scored a touchdown on the ground each of the last three weeks.
You know, he's just continuing to learn more.
And I'll go back to, I said earlier, Adam, I think it was Tuesday or Thursday
that this was the preseason.
The first four games are done, you know?
So now you have, this is the jumping off point for these rookies that are just,
you know, starting to get the speed of the game, starting to understand what they're supposed to
do. You don't like, you know, from a continuity standpoint, the quarterback change for Gibson,
but not that it's going to be a bad thing because of Dwayne Haskins not playing great.
So, you know, Kyle Allen could come in and do some good things. He could do some bad things,
but what did we see from Kyle Allen last year? Christian McCaffrey was fantastic. You know, so uh he he doesn't look downfield he looks right in front of him when there's a problem and
i think you'll see him you know lean on gibson and probably mckissick as much as he can and just for
fun go on draft kings and check out kyle allen's price just for fun go take a look at it no no no
no you will not vomit well it's the cheapest? Ridiculously cheap.
There are injured quarterbacks that are going for more on DraftKings than he is. Dwayne Haskins,
the three times value, you need like 12 points
and change. Haskins has hit at least that much
every single week this season.
Al Allen, I think he's the free space
this week. Wow, okay.
Josh Allen, hopefully
will play this week as we go to
Buffalo at Tennessee, our last game.
Josh Allen is top five for Dave and Jamie,
and Heath has him 13th because Heath is baking in
the possibility of the game not being played.
Dave and Jamie are just saying, like,
if this game is played, this is where Josh Allen is.
That's my assumption anyway.
I think there's no chance Heath has Josh Allen 13th.
No, he's dropped all of his Titans and Bills.
I think he does that in advance of the Thursday
game because that's what he would
do if those games are canceled.
It's good to have those different
rankings.
Buffalo running backs.
Of course, you're starting Singletary if
Moss does not play.
Again, I mentioned this.
By one metric, yards per carry allowed to running backs, the worst run defense in the NFL. Either again, I mentioned this. This is, by one metric,
yards per carry allowed
to running backs,
the worst run defense
in the NFL.
Either way,
they're not good, Tennessee.
So how good of a start
would Singletary be
if Zach Moss does play?
How would you compare him
to that group of,
you know, Mostert, Gurley,
and Gibson?
He'd be ahead of him,
for sure,
in both formats.
But I would take him over the other guys
probably still i'd put it okay maybe i should start asking specifically dave jamie so you
don't talk over each other i am sorry about that buffalo wide receivers uh stefan stefan digs start
john brown jave how do you feel about John Brown, Damie?
Jamey.
Oh, Dave.
What the hell are you doing?
I'm just joking.
Go ahead, Dave.
I think if he's active and first of all, I would start other receivers ahead of him at this point
because he's not 100%.
We just don't know about the game being played.
But if it just comes to pass that you have the chance
to start him this week and he's active on Tuesday, you go with him.
Okay.
And then Beasley over...
Who's better, Beasley or Brown?
Let's say they both play.
I'm not confident in John Brown right now because of his health.
So the video I saw of him coming up lane was not good.
And even though they get the extra time, just don't love it.
So I would play Beasley at this point.
I don't know who on earth would start Dawson Knox,
but the Titans have allowed touchdowns
to Noah Fant, Tyler Eifert, and Kyle Rudolph.
So there's that.
I mean, look, for what it's worth,
Tyler Croft had a two-touchdown game
two weeks ago when Dawson Knox was out,
so that could be something that,
you know,
they like with their tight ends.
Ryan Tannehill is 18th for Dave and Jamie 19th for Heath.
And I was surprised by that.
It was a little lower than I thought Dave already kind of,
I dropped him a few spots with the game scenario.
So he'll probably move up a couple of spots.
Okay.
And Dave mentioned,
he's a little worried that they might be rusty,
which I get,
um, start I get.
Start Derek Henry.
A.J. Brown is a number two,
number three,
borderline number two,
number three wide receiver.
A.J. Brown or Marquise Brown?
A.J.
I'll take Marquise.
The part of the problem
with the Titans is just
we don't know if the game's
for sure going to get played.
Let's just do this whole thing like it is going to be played.
They're for sure going to play?
Yeah, let's just do this preview with that assumption.
I'll probably couch it and say PPR, A.J. Brown, and everything else Marquise Brown.
If I don't have to give up too much, I'd be making as many offers for A.J. Brown as I can right now.
Because their schedule should be good, assuming that they play.
But he's about to see as many targets he can handle.
Who knows how long Corey Davis will be out.
So I think it's going to be – if he has a big game this week,
you're going to miss out on it.
I would do the same thing with Derrick Henry
because I wonder if the fantasy manager who has Henry
is starting to get nervous about, well, how's this season
going to go for Tennessee? Do you really think
the Titans are not going to play a game again
or only play eight
games the rest of the way? That would be
low probability
if you ask me. It's a little harder
to try and pry Derrick Henry from somebody.
Compared to Brown? Sure. I agree with that.
But you could try still.
Okay. And John O. Smith, ordinarily we'd be a little nervous about tight ends against the Bills, but. I agree with that. But you could try still. Okay. And John O. Smith, you know,
ordinarily we'd be a little nervous
about tight ends against the Bills,
but I don't think that's the case now.
We saw what Darren Waller and Mike Kosicki did
when...
Tremaine Edmonds leads the NFL
in yards after catch allowed.
Wow.
That's a great stat.
Stat of the day.
174 yards after catch allowed by Tremaine Edmonds.
Wow.
Okay. Start John O. Smith. Johnall by Tremaine Edmonds. Wow. Okay.
Start Johnnie Smith.
Johnnie's game.
Buffalo DST.
Tenth for Jamie.
Fourth for Dave.
Fourteenth for Heath.
Fourth for Buffalo DST.
They really haven't been very good.
Rusty Titans.
Okay.
All right, everybody.
Thank you very much for listening.
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Good luck.
Good luck in week five.
Let's hope all the games get played.
Thanks, Adam.
Thank you.
And that's it.
We're done.
Bye.