Fantasy Football Today - Start or Sit (NFC); Beckham; Jets-Colts (11/05 Fantasy Football Podcast)
Episode Date: November 5, 2021Recapping a Thursday night bonanza as Jonathan Taylor and Carson Wentz went off but Michael Carter was held in check. Did Elijah Moore just break out or are we going to be hesitant to add him? ... Thr...ee big questions for Week 9 (9:15): Who makes us nervous this week? Which Titans RB do we prefer? Can you believe Odell Beckham got released!? And we have more news and notes (16:50), "Beat the Waiver Wire" (24:00) and the Startometer (26:00) for Falcons-Saints, Patriots-Panthers and Titans-Rams. Do we trust Taysom Hill or Chuba Hubbard this week? ... Start or Sit for Cardinals-49ers (32:00), Chargers-Eagles (42:40), Raiders-Giants (51:40), Falcons-Saints (58:50), Patriots-Panthers (1:05:00) and Titans-Rams (1:11:30) ... Email us at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @ctowerscbs, @BenSchragg Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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On his way to the end zone.
Tell you what, that was a spectacular play.
It's time to dominate your fantasy league.
What a play.
Off to the races.
Touchdown.
Oh, he's done it again.
Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, Heath, and Beck.
It is Friday.
A happy Friday for the Indianapolis Colts.
Got a little dicey there at the end.
We'll recap the game.
And is it a happy Friday for Odell Beckham?
Free Odell Beckham, you say?
He has been free.
I don't know if you say that.
But he has been free.
He has been released. The end of an era in Cleveland.
Pretty interesting stuff.
We've got six NFC home games to take a look at.
Taysom Hill will hopefully be starting.
And the Chargers-Eagles game is fascinating.
The Cardinals-Niners game, Dave, fascinating.
Also fascinating.
They should play it on Madden because none of the
actual players are going to be in good enough
shape to play.
Well, maybe they
can play it on Madden. We will petition the league.
Anyway, welcome to your Friday show
and we will
get into it. We'll give you all the injury updates as well
and talk about Beckham a little bit.
First, Colts 45.
Oh, Colt 45. And Giants, or Jets
30. Sorry, Jets 30.
Bad football teams on the
mind here. So,
eh,
that's kind of lame for
Michael Carter, right? That's kind of lame.
What happened?
Well, I don't know if it's
Mike White getting hurt
or the Jets saying we need to change up what we do,
or maybe it's a little bit of both.
But you had to figure that they couldn't get by
throwing little passes, five, six yards,
pass the line of scrimmage to running backs
and slot receivers and tight ends.
And Mike White did air it out a little bit more in the time that he played the
touchdown to Elijah Moore's proof of that.
And when he got hurt, Josh Johnson came in and it just seemed like a little bit
of a different type of an offense.
Johnson, a little more focused on throwing downfield more so than dinking and
dunking his way.
And as a result, only one catch although he
had two plays that count as passing plays yeah that uh that helped him out look uh this was
bound to happen it's unfortunate that it happened here carter with the dud yeah look he had 86 total
yards so it's not it's not the worst thing.
I think everybody expected more, especially in PPR leagues, man.
I knew that he wasn't going to be able to get eight, nine catches,
something like that, but I was still expecting in the neighborhood of five.
Especially on 52.
Maybe I would have been okay with four.
He had officially won.
52 pass attempts.
That's what's really surprising.
And then you get that annoying Ty Johnson touchdown catch,
and you're thinking, why can't that be Michael Carter?
But at least we have maybe a coming out party for Elijah Moore.
So let's say, I know you can't do it right now.
You can only pick up Beckham now.
But if you could, in fantasy land, pick up Beckham or Elijah Moore,
who would you pick up?
Without knowing what team Odell Beckham's going to,
I'd probably say Odell Beckham.
Okay, 63%.
And that's not to say that I don't like Elijah Moore.
You guys know how much I like Elijah Moore.
The first touchdown, I think, was a defensive breakdown.
Xavier Rhodes really played it like crap.
Second touchdown was good.
He still got hit into the end zone on the play.
There were a couple of plays that I saw.
I only had a chance to watch a few of the snaps where he wasn't separating like I thought he could.
But he was getting open enough, obviously,
to get the targets and catches that he got.
I expect him to continue to be at least serviceable for the
jets moving forward but this is a guy i'm really focused on more for 2022 i think he has a he's got
the breakout year coming was this a breakout game maybe we'll see how he does against easier
matchups moving forward well that won't be next week because they have buffalo but then they have
miami houston trust me it's buffalo Buffalo. Yeah, Miami and Houston after that.
So maybe we can revisit Elijah Moore's only 13% off.
We can see what kind of playing time he has against the Bills
and then go from there.
So listen, they can run the ball, those Indianapolis Colts.
Jonathan Taylor is a pretty solid player.
He's now, let's see.
He saw him almost break one earlier in the game.
I'm glad he got his chance to do it.
The Thursday night prop went over.
That's always good.
Two in a row.
Taylor is now the guy who might replace Derek Henry
at the top of 2022 fantasy drafts.
Dave, by the way, Dave did watch the game.
Dave likes to watch the film after the game
to break down Elijah Moore's, because somebody said in the chat, Dave didn't watch the game dave likes to watch the film after the game to break down elijah moore's
because somebody said in the chat dave didn't watch the game lol no he watched the game he
didn't have a chance to watch the all 22 yet there's watching and then there's watching right
so uh but that's there's that all right so so how much you buying carson wentz obviously we're
buying jonathan taylor this is now six straight games with 110 or more total yards for Taylor.
He's terrific.
Surprising game, I'd say, from Naheem Hines,
but you wonder if they just know the Jets really struggle
against running backs in the passing game,
and they got him involved,
and then he had that long touchdown run,
which that's just weird.
Well, I think once he had that long touchdown run,
they knew that he could be a bigger part of the game plan,
but they were getting him involved even before then.
So I think it was pretty evident early on
that the Colts knew they'd be able to run the football on the Jets.
Which many teams haven't been able to do, so kudos to them.
But, all right, Carson Wentz started in 59% of leagues,
scores 29 fantasy points.
That's now six straight games with 20 or more.
And I don't know, he had
kind of been doing it in sort of sloppy fashion, but getting that second touchdown every week,
this was just a terrific game for Carson Wentz. And you see when an NFL quarterback
could just sit there and not have any pressure in his face, it's just a beautiful thing.
But how much are you buying him going forward
with Jacksonville, Buffalo, Tampa Bay?
A mix of good and bad matchups coming up.
It's a mix of amazing and horrific matchups
because he's got Jacksonville next week,
and that's another one where he should be able to pick them apart.
I would expect Wentz to be in the conversation
of the top 12 quarterback next week.
Then he's got Buffalo.
No one's going to use him when he's playing at Buffalo.
Then he's got Tampa Bay.
Some people might be interested in playing him against Tampa Bay.
We'll see what that defense looks like by then.
And then he's got Houston week 13 and then a buy in week 14.
Obviously the game against the Texans is one that you'll, you'll want to see him in the
Colts still think they're in it.
I'm sure the Colts look at their schedule and they look at their situation in the division and they say
we can somehow, some way
get back into this if we can just keep winning
games. So I
don't think they're going to take the foot off the gas at all.
I think they're totally comfortable having
Wentz as their quarterback at this point.
Are they
going to lean on him? Not necessarily.
I think they want to lean on
Jonathan Taylor in the run game a little bit
more,
but at least balance is something they'll try to do from game to game.
Wentz is okay for fantasy.
I don't think you should cut him anytime soon.
Okay.
This was not the most,
uh,
that's kind of what I said about last week's game,
the Thursday night game.
This,
this game didn't change all that much for fantasy.
It was what it was.
And maybe it's Elijah Moore, but, um, I think basically everybody delivered This game didn't change all that much for fantasy. It was what it was, and maybe it's Elijah Moore,
but I think basically everybody delivered
except Carter didn't have enough catches.
And let's see, Ty Johnson was started in 7% of leagues,
so he came through with an okay game
with that late touchdown.
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I've got three big questions for you Dave Richard for Fantasy Week 9 ready?
hit me
alright I wouldn't do that
I like you wouldn't hit you
alright I wouldn't hurt you if I did
who makes you nervous this week?
didn't we have a conversation off air about DJ Moore?
no it was on the air
it was during our live stream on Thursday
we were having so much fun on that, it felt like we were off air.
Yeah, it's true. Yeah, man. DJ Moore going up against the Patriots.
Bill Belichick knows that DJ Moore is a really good receiver.
I think defenses have started to try to take him away.
I'm nervous to start DJ Moore. I think I'm going to end up doing it
in the leagues where I have him, but it's going to be more as like a low-end number two wide receiver.
Yeah, he headlines the list.
I think we said we'd start Pittman over him, right?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, so that will probably pay off if anyone made that decision.
You know, the truth is it's a really bad wide receiver bye week.
As I look at my rosters, I'm pretty depleted at wide
receivers. So the one league I have DJ Moore,
I can't sit DJ Moore. And we're not calling him
an outright sit, but he makes you nervous.
Devontae Smith, I was actually
surprised he was as high as he was in your rankings
because he makes me very nervous
against the Chargers. They've been excellent against
wide receivers. I'm not sure any wide receivers
had 80 yards against
them. Maybe more. It's like 85
or something. And then this guy
hasn't scored since week one.
I don't know.
I think I'm sitting in for another guy
that makes me nervous. Kadarius Toney
in one league. But those are two guys
I just don't want to start. I don't know.
It doesn't feel like a super deep week
at wide receiver. I'd start Judy over
Toney and Smith. I'll tell you that. I'd start Judy over Tony and Smith.
I'll tell you that.
I would too.
The one thing that stands out to me about Devante Smith is that the Chargers
could be without both of their starting corners.
Well, that's a good point.
Devante Samuel, Mike Davis, not.
They haven't practiced yet this week, I believe.
We'll see what the report says on Friday.
Yeah.
That means that there's those great corners that they have.
They won't be so great.
And then it'll be a matter of just how much Philadelphia wants to throw the football.
He's no better than a flex anyway, even if the Chargers are down to second string cornerbacks.
And I'm a little nervous about Darrell Williams.
And you didn't get to talk about him yesterday when we did the Kansas City Green Bay game.
But Gore obviously has a role.
And Williams is not
running the ball well. He doesn't run the ball
well, typically.
I'm a little nervous about him.
Packers have allowed at least nine touchdowns to a running
back in their last six games. Two of them were
receiving.
At least nine
touchdowns to a running back.
Nine total touchdowns.
That's more than that.
Wait, so nine touchdowns.
Yeah.
It kind of sounded like every running back.
Well, it sounded like you said the Packers have allowed
at least nine touchdowns to a running back.
I'm sorry, I shouldn't have said at least.
Nine touchdowns to running backs in their last six games.
There we go. The running back has had at least. Nine touchdowns for running backs in their last six games. There we go.
Oh, that helps. Running back has had at least 83 total yards in three of those last five games.
I think it's okay.
I think Daryl Williams is an okay start.
We know he should be the running back that plays the most for the Chiefs
against Green Bay.
Okay.
Adrian Peterson or Jeremy McNichols?
This is your second big question.
Or neither.
Second big question. Peterson, McNichols? This is your second big question or neither. Second big question.
Peterson McNichols or neither.
Yeah.
I'm glad neither is an option because that's probably the option that I
would take,
but not everybody has that opportunity.
Not everybody is loaded at running back and you might've picked up a
Titans running back.
The thing that stands out to me about McNichols is that he's already been
playing and passing down situations for the Titans.
He's played 76 snaps on third and fourth downs out of 120 third and fourth downs.
I should probably turn that into a percentage, but I haven't done that yet.
That's more than twice as many than Derrick Henry's played.
So that's a part of the offense that the Titans don't have to change.
They're already comfortable with McNichols in that role.
They can increase his role as a rusher on top of that, and he could end up being the best running back for the Titans this week, especially in PPR. So if I had to pick between those two for this week, especially since they're playing the Rams, they're going to trail probably going to be a lot of pass heavy situations for Tennessee. believe the Browns released Odell Beckham? Can you remember how excited we were when he got
traded to the Browns? And just, it has not worked out. Let's just say it really, uh, it hasn't.
And I'm a little surprised that they're doing it. I'm surprised they didn't try and come to a
resolution. There was obviously a lot more going on than just Odell's dad tweeting stuff or posting stuff.
Yeah.
We'll see what happens to him.
There's in my mind, there's a chance that he ends up going to Kansas City or Green Bay or the Rams.
And he has, you know, this awesome opportunity to try and win a ring while he's in a complimentary role.
But if they release him, I believe he's subject to waivers.
I mean, what happens if the Lions put in a waiver claim for Odell Beckham or
something crazy like that?
So we'll see,
we'll see what happens.
So BJ,
um,
whether or not he ends up being a factor in fantasy.
Yeah.
It's hard to diagnose.
Is he not good anymore?
I don't think we know.
I think there are times when he looks like he could be really damn good.
Obviously not,
not a great connection with Mayfield.
And injuries may have taken a toll.
But I really want to see what's left in the tank for him.
It's easy to forget.
He was arguably the best wide receiver in football.
He had probably a four-year run where he was just tremendous.
He was outstanding.
He was absolutely outstanding.
And look, I'm an amateur when it comes to watching film,
but when I did watch Odell, he was separating.
He had speed.
He can get open.
I'm just not sure if he's,
I can't say exactly what it was with Mayfield.
There was a game.
I can't remember who they were playing,
but it was like week four, week five,
right around the time when he came back.
And I was all in on Odell for that matchup.
It was a favorable matchup.
He was getting open.
It might have been Houston.
I'm not sure.
I can't remember the opponent.
But Mayfield was missing him like crazy.
He was getting open.
He would have had a touchdown, a deep touchdown late in the game.
Baker missed him by several yards.
So if he gets with an accurate quarterback, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if Beckham
had some pretty huge games to round out the season. If you've got Beckham on your team,
might as well keep him on your bench. Let's see what happens. I think that was the Minnesota game.
Could have been. Yeah. Two catches for 27 yards on seven targets. Yeah.
Okay. Well, we're going to take a quick break on fantasy football today. When we come back,
all the news and notes that you need to know.
A lot of ends, a lot of alliteration in that sentence.
I like it.
So let's take a break here.
Tell you about Kyler Murray, DeAndre Hopkins, George Kittle, etc.
Right after this.
Here are your news and notes.
Kyler Murray and DeAndre Hopkins mispractice.
You're ranking both of them, Dave.
What do we need to see here to feel confident in
them? I'd like to see them practice on Friday, at least on a limited basis. That would certainly
help. Can you imagine if we get to Friday and they don't practice and their list is questionable,
then fantasy managers are going to need to come up with a plan B for both of these guys.
The bigger issue is that Kyler, we saw last year when he wasn't healthy he was a nightmare he was
not putting up fantasy points at all he already hasn't been rushing nearly as much this year
as he had last year so i don't know how much people are going to be willing to trust kyler
murray this week and if kyler's not playing at 100 then even if deandre hopkins were at 100
how good would he be his quarterback speed. So there could be a chance here
we're downgrading all the Arizona Cardinals
by Friday.
And if they're ruled out,
then it's going to be an absolute mess.
In his last six games,
he's the number 10 quarterback
in fantasy, Kyler Murray,
and per game, he's 12th and 4th point
and 14th and 6th point
per passing touchdown leagues. So weeks one and two were huge for him. Last six games, he's been
low end starter. Uh, Christian McCaffrey practiced. You expect him to play?
Not yet, but we'll see. It'll be interesting how the, well, he's still technically on the IR,
right? He's just, the the windows open for him so we'll
see what the panthers do they're gonna have to make a move i would imagine that if they activate
them and they would have to do that well before sunday then you can expect him to play uh michael
gallup practice but we don't know if he's going to play yet george kill sounds like a week away
okay george kittle you guys are. So you expect him to play?
Yes, we're expecting him this week.
Eli Mitchell has still,
I don't think he took on any contact in practice.
No, but he did practice.
He took a step forward, and that's a good thing.
I would expect him to practice again on Friday.
My hunch is that he plays.
Okay, if he doesn't play, hasty or sermon?
I would be moving to somebody else. wouldn't want to start either one honestly
if i had to start one of them i guess it would be sermon but remember jeff wilson's practicing
too there's a chance they could activate him that's true sunday he's if they do then that
problem that makes me think that they're rushing him back a little bit because the original timetable for him was late November.
This is early November.
We shall see on Mr. Wilson.
He's still out there in a handful of leagues, by the way.
You should stash him.
A little Dennis the Menace reference there, Dave.
Mr. Wilson.
I know that's what you were going for.
Terod Taylor's going to start for Houston.
That's cool.
Taysom Hill has not been cleared yet,
but is trending in the right direction.
I don't remember.
I don't remember an official announcement that he's going to start and not
Trevor Simeon though.
Did that happen?
That's true.
No.
Well,
they don't,
they can't make that announcement if he's still in the concussion protocol,
that would be a little silly for them to do.
Well,
they could say he's our starter.
If,
if he clears,
I haven't heard that.
No, we haven't heard it.
You're right.
There is a chance that Taysom Hill could clear concussion protocol
and the Saints stick with Trevor Simeon at quarterback.
Hopefully, that's one we need clarity on before Sunday for sure
because I know in one of my leagues,
I benched Carson Wentz for Taysom Hill.
And so I'm working under the assumption that he'll play.
I know what's on my waiver wire.
There are a couple of quarterbacks there that I'm okay with starting in case
Taysom Hill doesn't play.
But I,
this is one that we definitely need to hear from Sean Payton on and he might
play coy.
He might say,
well,
we just don't know.
Matthew Stafford and Robert,
when Matthew Stafford and Robert Woods both mispractice,
I don't think we're panicking yet,
especially on. No, not yet. Okay we're panicking yet, especially on staff.
Not yet.
Okay.
Devante Adams is back and David Montgomery could be back this week.
Ooh.
If he is back,
any hesitation on starting Montgomery at Pittsburgh?
Sure.
Because it's a difficult matchup.
It's one of the bears.
Excuse me.
That sounded terrible.
It's one of the bears could fall behind in pretty quickly,
and there's a chance maybe they say, all right, Montgomery.
There's a bunch of different ways here.
They could say Montgomery doesn't need to play
because we're falling behind.
They could say Montgomery doesn't need to play that much.
We could just get his feet wet, and then we've got the bye.
I think the only way he plays and plays a lot
is if he's really, really ready to go
to the point where he comes out in the first quarter and he looks like his old self.
And the only people that would know if he's got a chance to look like his old self are
the people who are watching him in practice.
That usually does not include the media.
This is another one that we need to just take a wait and see.
There's going to be a lot of waiting and seeing.
Friday is going to be a very, very important day for about a dozen and a half
relevant fantasy players.
If David Montgomery is going to start
on Monday, would you start him over
Darrell Williams and or Chuba Hubbard?
Well, Hubbard, yes, if
McCaffrey's playing. If McCaffrey plays
and Hubbard's going to be off the radar completely.
Based on reports,
if we get a report saying that Montgomery looks
good and he practiced all week and
Nagy intimated
that there would be some sort of
heavy workload for him,
they'd give him his rollback. Yeah,
we'd start him ahead of Darrell Williams. Okay.
Saquon Barkley tested negative
for COVID. He had a false positive
but still seems unlikely to play because
he's missed time with the ankle injury, and then
he wasn't at the facility because of the false
positive. Kenny Galladay apparently
seems unlikely to play this week.
Cole Beasley... But at least he practiced.
Yeah, he's making progress. They have a bye next week, so I think
they should be pretty healthy coming out of the bye.
Cole Beasley missed practice again
with injured ribs. Sammy
Watkins practiced. Latavius Murray
missed practice, so it looks like Devontae Freeman for now.
Freeman is the lead back there,
but they might use...
Who knows what they'll think coming out of the bye.
But I would imagine Freeman is still the guy
that'll play the most for Baltimore.
They're going to be without their starting right tackle
and their starting left tackle,
if you count Ronnie Stanley, who's been out.
Stanley's not been out for the year.
But Patrick McCurry, I think is how you pronounce it.
He missed practice.
I think he's going to miss some time.
I think so, too.
Do you expect the following players?
James Robinson against Buffalo.
He's got to practice on Friday.
If he doesn't practice on Friday, it'll be Carlos Hyde time.
Dak Prescott, Cooper Cup.
Although Hyde's a little beat up too, right? Sorry.
Is he?
I think so.
Okay. I was unaware.
Dak Prescott, Amari Cooper, Lamb, I think we're expecting
all of them against Denver. We don't
know about Lamb.
He hurt himself in practice earlier this week.
Let's see what happens to him on Friday.
And Julio Jones.
Hyde practiced in full on Thursday,
so it looks like Carlos Hyde will play.
How about Julio?
He's been practicing, training in the right direction.
Titans need him to step up.
Let's go.
All right, that's the last game we are previewing today,
that Sunday night game, Tennessee at the Rams.
Let's beat the waiver wire.
You've got four teams on by next week.
You've got the Giants by next week you got the giants
the bears the bangles and the texans so yeah not the worst um i don't have a great dst against the
bears or a dst against the texans or a dst against the giants yeah you can't do it sorry and you
can't use the bangles against the jets and they let you down in fact can these defenses stop
letting us down against the Jets?
That'd be really nice.
Jets have been playing better.
You got to give them credit.
I will give them credit.
Mike White and me went to the same high school.
That's big for me.
I was rooting for him.
You got hurt.
This is a great question, by the way, in our chat.
Did Rambo kill Adrian?
I don't think so, but you'll have to ask Heath.
You should tweet that at Heath.
Okay, so anyway,
I don't have great beat-the-waver-wire options here,
but I think Brian Edwards and Donovan Peoples-Jones
are two wide receivers who could be thrust into bigger roles,
more for deeper leagues.
Alex Collins is only 69% rostered.
He's going to be the starting running back
if Chris Carson's not back next week at Green Bay.
If, right.
We don't know.
Carson could be back.
Yeah, and that's honestly really all I had.
There was nothing that jumped out.
Usually you're good for a couple of DSTs here.
And when I saw the notes that there wasn't a DST,
I immediately looked to see if there were any DSTs.
And yeah, I kind of came up empty too.
Well, I think the ones that I really liked
are rostered in most leagues.
Right.
You know, you look at who's playing the Jets
and they'll let you down.
But anyway, that's the Bills.
Who's playing the Lions?
Pittsburgh.
Who's playing the Jaguars?
The Colts.
The Colts, they're rostered and they're not free agents right now.
Tampa Bay, if people drop them, you can get them at Washington.
That might not be so bad.
That'd be pretty good.
Arizona's pretty rostered.
Just don't know how many people dropped the Bucs.
They're facing Carolina.
So, yeah, it wasn't a great week.
I would say Justin Fields, but he's got to buy next week just to see what happens.
Taysom Hill. Taysom Hill's beat the waiver wire for sure.
Next week, he's at Tennessee. That's a good one
actually.
Okay.
Well,
start-o-meter
for the last three games that we are going to talk about.
First one's going to be Atlanta and New Orleans.
Start-o-meter for Matt Ryan at New Orleans.
Two. And Taysom Hill. about first one's going to be atlanta and new orleans start-o-meter for matt ryan at new orleans two and tasem hill uh seven if he clears protocol and all that they make it clear he's the starter
and not trevor simeon i have deduced that you like hill better than ryan yes how'd you know i don't i just guessed uh cordaro patterson then mike davis
uh five
and maybe i'm telling him short five and a half any wide receiver for the falcons
no any wide receiver for the same i mean kyle pitts yeah but he's a tight end okay who's the
best uh wide receiver that you would uh start in that game kyle pitts no don't say that
uh i guess it's calloway or trae kwan okay i'm not thrilled with either one. Kyle Pitts on the start-o-meter, 0-10.
You're starting him.
He's a 10.
How about Patriots?
He's like a 9.
Oh, sorry.
One more.
Mark Ingram.
3.
Patriots and Panthers, Damian Harris against the team that gives up the fewest fantasy
points to running backs.
They don't necessarily have a great run defense, so it's been a little weird.
Patriots to Panthers,
so let's start with Damian Harris, 0-10.
He's an 8, just lead running back.
There aren't a lot of those these days.
He'll start them.
Jacoby Myers?
4 in PPR, 1 in non-PPR.
This game stinks.
If we're not even excited to start DJ Moore,
this game stinks.
How about Hunter Henry at Carolina?
Four.
How about Chuba Hubbard against the Pats?
If there's no Christian McCaffrey, he'd be like a seven.
If there's a Christian McCaffrey, a Christian McCaffrey. Doesn't even have to be the Christian McCaffrey, Adam. A Christian McCaffrey, he'd be like a 7. If there's a Christian McCaffrey, a Christian McCaffrey. Doesn't even have to be
the Christian McCaffrey, Adam. A Christian
McCaffrey. Then it's 0.2
for Chuba.
Alright, how about Tennessee and the Rams?
Adrian Peterson, Jeremy McNichols?
In full
PPR, McNichols would be a 5.
And Adrian
Peterson is going to be
a 2.5 in both. Non-PPR, is going to be like a two and a half and both okay non-ppr mcnichols
is like a four i do like mcnichols better than peterson for this week we'll see what happens
after this week and i'm also not convinced that adrian peterson's going to be i'm not convinced
that peterson and mcnichols are the only guys in this backfield they got deontay foreman back he
worked in this offense before he's probably going to get some work.
It's going to be sloppy.
How about Tannehill?
Tannehill's a five.
Okay.
You're not really thrilled with Tannehill.
You'd start to taste some.
Even if Julio's back.
Would you start Carr or Tannehill?
I think I have Tannehill ranked higher than Carr.
I sank Carr last night.
Because of the rugs release? Not just because of
Ruggs, but the Giants defense is playing a little bit
better and we don't know how they're going to
how the, I'm not sure how the Giants
are going to perform and
keep up with that defense without
Ruggs there. And I'm not sure what Ruggs
not being their means to
Carr.
Yeah, he leads the team in receiving.
It's not something that we should just...
He changes the way defense is played against them.
He does, yeah.
Because of his speed.
Also in this game,
I think you know who you're starting.
Robert Woods.
Robert Woods, 0-10.
You're starting Robert Woods.
He's an 8.
It's funny.
Yes, I am starting Robert Woods. I have him in two leagues, I think. I's an eight. It's funny. Yes, I am starting
Robert Woods. I have him in two leagues, I think.
I'm starting him, but
I kind of feel about him the way I feel about
DJ Moore. I'm not excited to start him.
Tennessee's really bad against
the pass, but
what has Woods done? You're lucky
when he catches a touchdown. I think he has
one game with more than
65 yards. Could be. And that was the one game with more than 65 yards.
Could be. And that was the game he was
targeted like crazy in.
I like him better than DJ
Moore in PPR, believe it or not.
That might come back to bite me, but I
would rather start him against a bad
Tennessee defense. That'll
just allow gobs of numbers versus
Moore, who's going to get singled out by
Belichick and the Patriots.
One game with more than 70 yards and fewer than 50 yards in five of eight
games for Robert Woods.
Okay.
And Tyler Higbee against the Titans.
Start a meter.
Six.
Let's go to the games.
Dave Richard.
We've got it.
Yay.
You know, I was thinking the other day, I really want to go to a games, Dave Richard. Let's go. Yay. You know, I was thinking the other day,
I really want to go to a game, any game.
I miss it so much.
I haven't been to a sporting event in like two years.
So I'd like to do that.
I was going to take my kid to a high school football game
just so he could see football,
but the season ended, I'm pretty sure sure so oops should have checked the schedule about a high school basketball game uh yeah i
don't know i mean i still i'm not sure i want to go indoors with with the my little one but um okay
i was you know something outside because i get something. Maybe there's like local archery tournaments.
I think there are.
Oh, yeah.
We have great archery in Sleepy Hollow.
Okay.
Perfect.
Maybe the Hurricanes will get to the pinstripe bowl again,
and I could freeze my face off at Yankee Stadium.
Watch them lose by 30.
Oh, yeah.
All right.
Arizona at San Francisco.
Stat of the game.
Number one. I just mentioned this one. Ky, yeah. All right. Arizona at San Francisco. Stat of the game, number one.
I just mentioned this one.
Kyler Murray, weeks one and two,
he scored 80 points combined against Tennessee and the Vikings.
In the last six games,
he is 12th per game in four-point-per-passing touchdown leagues,
14th in six-point.
His 16-game pace in his last six games is not bad.
4,232 yards, 27 touchdowns, 11 interceptions,
but only 256 rushing yards and three rushing touchdowns.
So low-end starter stuff.
The Niners are interesting, Dave.
They give up the sixth most fantasy points to quarterbacks,
but the sixth fewest passing yards per attempt.
They have a good pass defense.
They give up a lot of rushing totals.
I think four rushing touchdowns,
80 yards to Hurts, 100 yards to Fields,
that kind of stuff,
but that's not even Murray's game.
It's not.
It's really not.
The ankle injury makes it more of not his game.
I think you're the highest guy on Murray,
and you got him, I think, eighth.
What do you think?
You have him eighth.
I think I'm nervous putting him that high.
But then you measure him up against guys like
Tua Tonga-Vailoa and Jalen Hurts and Kirk Cousins,
and you have to think to yourself,
am I really prepared for Kyler Murray to not deliver
even like 25 fantasy points?
I think he could do if he's out there playing
and if Hopkins is out there with him.
Yeah.
Now, if Hopkins doesn't play, is he outside the top 12?
He's got to be.
Okay.
And he had a terrible time.
He only had 15 fantasy points against the Niners in week five.
Right.
He's actually the only quarterback that's faced the Niners
and hasn't scored at least 21 points in six-point leagues.
But again, it hasn't been because of good passing numbers.
Let me see.
In terms of passing yards, only Jared Goff had a big game as a passer,
and he threw 57 passes in week one.
So anyway. Right. That was threw 57 passes in week one. So anyway.
Right.
That was that fluky week one game.
Okay.
Let's go to the...
We'll come back to Kyler.
We'll compare him to some other players.
Well, I'll just do it real quick.
Tua and Taysom Hill or Kyler Murray?
As of now, Kyler is ahead of both of them.
Okay.
Let's see what the Friday injury report brings.
Which Arizona running back do you like better?
I like Edmonds better.
He's been playing more than Connor,
not as touchdown dependent as Connor.
Certainly could be more involved in the passing game,
and let's lay it out.
Let's say it's Colt McCoy who's starting for Arizona.
It probably means that the Cardinals will try
and run the ball a little bit more,
especially if there is no DeAndre Hopkins.
But they're going to have to pass at some point.
Every team does.
And this is an easy check down guy for him in Edmonds
who can pick up a little bit more in the passing game.
Maybe he gets his way to four or five catches.
And that would be something that could give him a little bit of a boost in PPR.
Yeah, I just don't have a reason to think it's going to happen other than
just dumb luck, which I sort of feel is
the case for Arizona's
receivers,
except for... Can you say dumb luck?
You're talking about scoring or you're talking about
catching a bunch of passes? Catches. Yeah.
There's no rhyme or reason to it. They have
so many guys that they evenly distribute
the targets to.
And now, like last week
it's, okay, you could say, well, they were blowing
out the Texans, so of course Edmonds wasn't going to be
involved. But last week he was off the
injury report, and they lost.
And he had three catches in the
game, and two of his carries and one of his
catches, and he only had seven carries.
Two of his carries and seven, and one of his catches
came on the last possession of the game.
You know, here's something that's kind of never gets talked about.
Kyler Murray in his first four games when Edmonds was catching four more balls every game.
Kyler Murray completed 25.5 passes per game.
So he averaged 25.5 completions per game.
Last four games, he's averaging 21 completions per game.
It's, you know, it's something.
All right. So Edmonds or...
Is he throwing less?
A little bit.
Is he throwing more in those first four games?
I think week one he threw a lot,
but for the most part he's around 30 to 32 passes most weeks,
something like that.
So he is throwing a little bit less,
but I'm guessing the completion rate must just be lower.
So Edmonds or Robert Woods? I think I'd probably prefer Woods.
James Conner or Daryl Williams? Williams.
James Conner or Zach Moss? Moss.
James Conner or Jeremy McNichols? Ooh, I think I'm going to go with McNichols.
Let me just make sure my rankings back it up.
They do in PPR, McNichols over him.
Okay, you know what it is with Conner.
When it's a close game, he hasn't had more than 11 carries,
and he needs the touchdowns.
I mean, there's also the idea that if Arizona really wants to just
dial it back,
be it because of Colt McCoy
in the game or Kyler Murray not
at 100% and they just try and run the football
at the 49ers, then that'll mean
an uptick in work for Connor.
We just don't know if that's what they're going to do.
I think we could say
that they could lean that way if Hopkins
is out.
Man, I tell you, this game, almost every player is a tough call to me,
except you know you're going to be playing Hopkins if he plays.
But you're probably not going to have A.J. Green.
So give me your thoughts on Christian Kirk.
I don't know how you could have confidence in Rondo more.
I don't think you do, but he's usually under 30 yards.
So give me your thoughts on Christian Kirk.
Because last game, they played without Hopkins,
and he didn't really do anything.
You're hoping that without A.J. Green there,
Christian Kirk can get a little bit more in the passing game
and be a little bit more involved.
He's been their slot receiver for the majority of this year,
but he's played outside in the past.
Remember how Fitzgerald was kind of keeping him from playing in the slot
when Larry was playing?
So he could line up outside to replace AJ Green if they so choose.
And then Rondell Moore could take his spot in the slot, or they can just mix and match those two.
Bottom line is I think there would be an uptick in targets for Christian Kirk if Kyler Murray plays.
He's a guy that could benefit the most if Hopkins is limited or out, and probably more if he's limited.
And if Kyler plays.
So if those two things happen
then i think christian kirk is in play as a number three type of fantasy receiver okay
and zach ertz is top 10 a little bit lower for heath you know he is what he is so okay
well uh i guess we'll throw out some higby or or Ertz? I've got Ertz ahead of Higby right now.
Ertz or...
Jared Cook is the one that I'm thinking about moving ahead of Ertz.
Yeah, Jamie's kind of high on Jared Cook, too.
You all are.
Yeah, it's the matchup.
It's the matchup more than anything else.
Yeah, okay.
Philadelphia started out really good against tight ends,
and now they're not even close.
Yeah, recently they've struggled. Let's go to the other side of the ball. Jimmy Garoppolo is a sit, although he's coming off his best game of the year, Philadelphia started out really good against tight ends and now not even close yeah recently
they've struggled let's go to the other side of the ball Jimmy Garoppolo was a sit although he's
coming off his best game of the year but he had two rushing touchdowns I mean I even think Eli
Mitchell's tough I know he's not ranked as if he is but his bad game was against Arizona that was
with Trey Lance starting and Trey Lance you know hogging all the touches and I think Lance had 16
carries in that game right it's a totally different offense.
Yeah.
All right.
So tell me what you think about Eli Mitchell against the Cardinals who are
bad per carry 4.7 yards per carry to running backs, but they give up the
ninth fewest fantasy points to running backs.
I'm starting Eli Mitchell.
If he plays, I think that the 49ers have settled on him as their best
running back.
That's been evident over the past couple of weeks.
And I think that he's going to have a chance to have another good game against Arizona because it's
not the same type of offense that the Cardinals faced the first time they played the 49ers.
That's true. He's got 17 or more carries in four or five games, and that's only been done by one
running back against the Cardinals, and that was Dalvin Cook.
They haven't gotten a lot of rush attempts by running
backs the last week they did.
See you like Eli Mitchell. Let's hope he gets another
one. He has three 100-yard games
this year. That's pretty impressive.
And also some stats I gave on
Monday's show.
He is
fourth in the NFL in rushing yards per game,
although he might be fifth now.
Jonathan Taylor may have passed him.
And as of, yes, going into this week,
only Nick Chubb had more carries of 20-plus yards than Eli Mitchell.
That is so impressive.
All right, Debo Samuel, he's a start.
Brandon Ayuk, he's a sit.
But he's actually not a bad beat-the-waver wire guy. Let's see if he can string together a couple of encouraging games's a start. Brandon Ayuk, he's a sit, but he's actually not a bad beat the waiver wire guy. Let's see
if he can string together a couple of encouraging games
in a row. Yeah, he was playing
a little bit better last week and certainly playing a little
bit more. He's a good bench
stash. Starter sit George Kittle.
I think you're starting him based on the pedigree of
him being
a good fantasy tight end.
You don't have to expect him to play like,
I was going to say,
expect him to play like Kelsey,
but Kelsey hasn't even been playing like Kelsey these days.
If you've got a tight end,
that's got a shot to get you 70 yards and Kittle definitely has that
potential.
Then you're starting them.
It's as simple as that.
Yeah.
I mean,
it's crazy.
He's George Kittle.
He's yeah.
He just hasn't played like George Kittle much this year.
Well, he doesn't have a touchdown.
And the Cardinals have been really good against tight ends this year.
Yes, but you know what I'm going to say to that?
They haven't played any.
They haven't played any.
They gave up 48 yards, 49 yards to Tunyon last week.
They did well against Higby, but they faced a very easy schedule.
Now, my opinion is when you see a team like the Cardinals, fewest fantasy points
allowed to tight ends, but haven't been challenged. If they were actually bad against tight ends,
some of those lousy tight ends would have caught touchdowns, would have had big games. So they're
probably pretty good against tight ends. But he is Kittle. He has two games out of four with 78
or more yards. So who would you start ahead of him other than Kelsey, Walder, Andrews,
I'm assuming Pitts.
Would you start ahead of Kittle?
I would stick with Pitts ahead of him.
Although if I really wanted to be bold,
I'd move Pitts behind him
because I figure he'll see
a lot of Marshawn Lattimore.
The Saints will try and double team him.
So I'm a little nervous about Pitts,
but too much upside.
Goddard, I would start ahead of George Kittle.
Gusecki, I would start ahead of George Kittle. Gusecki, I would start ahead of George Kittle.
I think that's probably going to be about it.
Okay.
And the Cardinals DST is...
I wouldn't get cute with Friar Muth, for example.
Gotcha.
Cardinals DST is around 12th.
Did you say Dalton Schultz, by the way?
I would start Kittle over Schultz.
Okay.
Even in PPR.
All right.
That could change if Lamb is out.
That game was really interesting to me.
I be curious to see how it plays out.
It was a really low scoring game.
I think it was 17 to 10.
The first time they played a very interesting matchups.
This one,
this next one,
I feel the same way.
Chargers at Eagles.
And you've got the stat that with a note you gave about the four,
the cornerbacks for the Chargers is huge.
And I can't believe I forgot about that.
I had mentioned it on Monday and Tuesday and I think even Wednesday,
but yeah,
these two teams have been great against wide receivers.
They don't give up a lot of big plays and you've got two quarterbacks who
have struggled in,
in tough matchups.
And that's what really intrigues me.
Now, Hurts has struggled from a passing perspective,
but he still gets the rushing work and he scores the points.
But Herbert's just been kind of rough in bad matchups so far.
So, I don't know.
Before we break down the players,
give me your overall thoughts on this game, Chargers at Eagles.
I think it's two teams that understand that they can't do the same thing
every week. When you think about Philadelphia and how they've been playing the past couple of weeks,
they've been running the ball a lot more. There was a time this year where they were barely running
the football, and Miles Sanders was becoming irrelevant quickly in fantasy football. And now
that they've started to run the football a little bit more, I think they're pretty happy with where their offense is,
and they know that it's something not that they need to do,
but that they can do, and that their offensive line is healthier.
That helps Philadelphia also run the football.
I would expect that to continue.
I think you look at this Chargers defense,
and they've been terrible against the run this year.
I think it's obvious what Philadelphia is going to try and do on offense,
and at the very minimum, try and be balanced.
But if they can find a way to run the ball,
especially with Boston Scott and Jordan Howard and Kenneth Gainwell,
and I can't believe that's the order that this thing shook out in,
then you're going to see another soft game from Jalen Hurts,
and it's not going to be very pretty.
Now, on the other side of the football,
the Chargers have run into two really good defenses, coached by really good play callers over their last two games,
Baltimore with Wink Martindale and Bill Belichick. I know you've heard of him.
Those guys did a great job scheming and confusing Justin Herbert. I don't know if Philadelphia can
do the same thing. They're going to take some cues from them. That's why I think that Darius
Slate could end up shadowing Mike Williams when he does line up on the outside. But Philadelphia
has pretty much played heavy zone all year long. They might play a little bit more man.
They might play a little bit more cover too, to try and confuse Justin Herbert. But I think this
is going to be one of the easier matchups that Herbert will deal with, provided that his offensive line does a good job protecting him. And Philadelphia's pass rush
has started to come alive over the last couple of weeks. Well, yeah. And Brandon Staley last week
said, quote, we had some protection issues. The guy is getting sped up about Justin Herbert.
We're doing everything we can. That's never good. We're getting everything we can to help those guys
up front. So they've got to keep
they've got to keep the pressure off of of herbert who you have about eighth so you have him ahead
oh you have him seventh i think you have i have him ahead of kyler murray for example yeah all
right so everybody's got herbert as a start he's about eighth eighth to ninth seventh to ninth for
for all the rankers and the eagles there's only been one quarterback who's thrown for 300 yards and that's Derek Carr,
not Prescott,
not Mahomes,
not Tom Brady,
not Derek.
Yes, Derek Carr,
not Matt Ryan
against the Eagles.
They don't,
they don't give up big plays.
They've given up
at least 21 fantasy points
to five of seven quarterbacks
this year.
The only two that didn't do it
were Goff and Sam Darnold.
No, and Matt Ryan.
The five of eight.
Okay.
Matt Ryan didn't have 21?
I think he was horrible in week one.
Am I crazy?
Maybe it's five of their last seven.
Yeah, it's five of their last seven.
Yeah, yeah.
Okay.
Okay, so start Eckler.
And then for the Chargers wide receivers,
I mean, you've seen Williams two straight games
with two catches and less than 30 yards
on five targets.
And now I think he's going to see some Darius Slay.
So start, who do you like better,
Williams or Allen, and are they starts?
I have Allen ranked one spot ahead of Mike Williams.
I like Allen better.
I think he's got the better matchup.
And I think that it's been proven now
over the last couple of games for the chargers,
that if Mike Williams is in tight coverage or if teams are doubling him,
which we saw the Patriots do in the red zone on a number of occasions last
week,
Justin Herbert's not dumb enough to throw it at him.
He'll go in a different direction.
That's where Jared cook comes into play.
Cause not only is it a favorable matchup for,
for Jared cook against Philadelphia,
but also that's a guy that's never, ever, ever going to get double teamed
when they're in the red zone.
Would you start any of the waiver wire guys over Mike Williams?
So we're talking Devontae Parker, Boston Scott, Peterson, McNichols.
The only two that I think I would are Scott and Parker.
And right now, I've got Parker a notch behind Williams in the rankings.
That's one I could see myself changing pretty quickly.
All right.
Jared Cook is just inside the top 12.
And another one that would go ahead of him would be Amari Cooper,
especially if Lamb's not there.
So, okay.
Let's keep an eye on the Chargers cornerbacks
because Jalen Hurts has been horrible
throwing the ball against tough matchups.
198 yards at Carolina, 115 yards against Tampa Bay.
Some people might not even consider them a tough matchup,
but they've been playing better lately,
and their pass rush is obviously really good.
And 18 of 34 for 236 yards at Las Vegas.
But in every one of those games, he scored 22 or more points.
So that's why it's hard to get away from him.
You have Herbert ahead of Hurts.
Jamie and Heath do not, but they're ranked similarly.
Similarly.
And the Chargers allow the fourth fewest points to quarterbacks.
So how about this?
Dak, Mahomes, Carr, Lamar Jacksonson none of them had a passer rating above 88
philadelphia running backs so i'm assuming scott's the only one you're interested or
are you interested in gainwell no i'm interested in scott okay gainwell after what we saw last
week how could you possibly be interested yeah What can I tell people to make them believe
that Kenneth Gainwell is going to have an important role in this offense?
I mean, he was basically the mop-up guy.
Yeah, but they threw 14 passes last game.
So just the score might...
Maybe. Maybe we just don't know.
But because I don't know, I can't trust him.
Yeah.
And it seemed like Scott was really running ahead of Jordan Howard.
So you're the high guy on Boston Scott.
You got him in your top 10.
Yeah, I don't.
I really, I'm really excited about Boston Scott.
I think he's going to come through.
Okay.
You know, one of my other favorite things that I like about Boston Scott
is that the Chargers are allowing 2.11 yards before contact per rush.
That's the second worst mark among defenses in the National Football League.
Three yards.
It's basically three yards after contact per rush.
That's seventh worst.
So the stats, the basic fantasy points allowed stats, they tell a certain story.
This is another story that says that they're just not doing a good job of making contact with
running backs after they get the ball and that opposing offensive lines are being able to push
their D line back. And then running backs, when they do make contact, they're still getting three
yards on average every single time. So Scott's the lead guy here. He's going to get these good
opportunities. They clearly don't have a problem using them in short yardage situations.
We didn't see him catch a pass last week.
I know he can do that too.
Yeah.
I think Boston Scott's going to be terrific.
Okay. I just a little intrigued by the improvement in run defense as they got
their,
their top defensive tackle back last week and they had their best game
against the run.
Devante Smith is a number three wide receiver.
Would you start Devontae Smith or Jarvis Landry?
I think I'd start Smith on the upside over Landry.
Landry does seem safe in full PPR.
Non-PPR to me, it's no question.
I'll just take my chances with Smith again,
especially if those corners aren't there for the Chargers.
But in full PPR, I know that Landry can get me at least 10.
Maybe he can get me 16 or 17.
We've talked about how he's done in the past when there's been no Odell.
Okay, so Devontae Smith or Boston Scott?
Scott.
PPR, Devontae Smith, or Damian Harris?
Harris.
Dallas Goddard is top five for Dave.
Harris, by the way, had a pretty good game last week
running against the Chargers.
Yeah, but he had 23 carries or something.
He had a pretty inefficient game.
It was like 3.8 yards per carry on and off the top of my head.
But it was their best performance in that regard.
They did give up a touchdown, but Harris had over 20 carries.
All right, here's the Giants and the Raiders.
Stat of the game. These two teams
rank third and fourth in
yards per catch allowed to wide
receivers. These are teams that keep
everything in front of them, and
they don't give up a lot of big plays in the
passing game. Additionally, the Giants
give up a 70-yard rushing
touchdown to Melvin Gordon in week one.
That is the last time they allowed a 20-yard carry.
So I don't know if you're going to get a lot of big plays in this game.
I think that's the last time Melvin Gordon had a 20-yard carry, too.
Probably.
He might have had a couple other ones between then and now.
I meant to say this, and sorry I forgot.
The Chargers-Eagles game, the total there is actually 50,
which I would take the under, but that surprises me.
In this Giants-Raiders game, the total is 46.5,
and the Raiders are currently three-point favorites.
They opened at 2.5.
All right.
Derek Carr, he's been pretty good this year.
Like him, love him.
What do you think?
Hate him?
Oh, I'm nervous.
I'm not sure what we're going to get out of Derek Carr
without Henry Ruggs there. We talked about that earlier in the show the giants have taken
advantage of sloppy quarterback play over the last two weeks they have eight sacks six came
against carolina they've had the sixth best pass rush pressure rate over the last two weeks and
the giants are still tied with the six most quarterback passing touchdowns allowed on the
season but i i just think that they've taken advantage of some inefficient quarterbacks.
Carr has been better, at least better than Darnold.
And I think that he can be okay.
I'm just a little nervous.
I'm trusting some other quarterbacks ahead of Derek Carr.
Cousins, I'm trusting ahead of Derek Carr.
Tua, for sure.
Taysom Hill, if he plays.
Tannehill, I'll start ahead of Derek Carr but not daniel jones right not daniel jones who's your favorite running
back in this game my favorite running back in this game is going to be josh jacobs
um by a lot over booker are they close i've got jacobs as a top 12
booker's more of a number two.
I like them both.
I'd be totally comfortable starting both.
Josh Jacobs.
He's got 60 carries this year.
What's his long?
23.
15 yards.
15 yards?
Yes.
Pretty lame.
But yes, it's tough to sit him.
Giants give up the eighth most fantasy points to running backs so they've been a little bit better the defense has definitely played a little bit better lately
uh wide receivers for the raiders is renfro a must start
if jacobs is playing i would say that he's not a must start i'd like to think that he usually gets
more work when the run game can't
get going, and I think the run game will be okay
for Las Vegas. By the way, you're not starting
Kenyon Drake, are you?
If I'm in a pinch in PPR, I don't mind.
Okay. Renfro or
Devante Smith?
I think I have Renfro ranked higher.
Hunter Renfro or
...
Sorry. Sorry. Putting a little backbeat on that. Hunter Renfro or... Sorry, putting a little backbeat on that.
Hunter Renfro or Miles Gaskin?
Gaskin.
We're grooving, man.
We're grooving.
We were talking about Boston Scott.
I meant to ask you, what's your favorite Boston song?
I guess it's the one that everybody says more than a feeling that one yes more than a feeling
my friend told me that uh nirvana was jamming on more than a feeling when they wrote smells
like teen spirit or something like that and yeah the chords are pretty similar so i think that may have been the inspiration for so that's cool and i've never put those two together yeah yeah if you hear i guess chords
are similar so okay rugs brian edwards kind of a kind of a flyer i'd love to have him on my bench
just to see what happens this week. Any hesitation starting Darren Waller,
five straight games with 45 to 65 yards,
four to five,
five straight games where he's been kind of like,
Oh,
you know what the upside is and it's the thin tight end position.
And this is another team that's been pretty good against tight ends.
I just don't know if they've necessarily played a lot of good ones.
I,
I can't help but think that Waller is going to be right back in that main
role that he was in each of the previous two seasons.
Now that rugs is gone.
Here's an article from September of this year.
Did smells like team spirit rip off more than a feeling.
I'm going to try to read that.
Devante Booker. So Devante Booker, three of his last four games, three of those are starts.
One of them was replacing Barkley. He scored 14 or more PPR fantasy points, 12 or more non-PPR
fantasy points. The Raiders have been really bad against running backs. Booker, yeah, he's getting
like 15 carries and three catches basically per game. So hard to get away from.
I don't know.
Maybe I'm just buying in a little bit too much last week.
But without Shepard and probably without Gallaudet,
I think he's going to get plenty of catches, Dave.
I think he's kind of an easy start this week.
I agree.
And he's coming off a season high in targets, catches,
and receiving yards last week.
He played 93% of the snaps last week.
He's played at least 70% of the snaps
in four games without Saquon Barkley.
He's totally inefficient,
but he's getting a lot of work.
And the Raiders are another team
when it comes to yards before contact per rush.
They're six worse in the league, 1.8 yards.
And they've allowed a touchdown
to a running back in six of their seven games.
Okay.
I think that story about more than a feeling is,
is fake by the way,
as I'm reading this article.
So who's the best wide receiver in this game?
Is it Kadarius,
Tony or Hunter Renfro?
I believe I've run for a rank,
the highest,
the Raiders,
which is not fun.
It's totally blame.
I should be embarrassed by it.
You're right.
It's not fun,
but I get it. Tony
is a fun player, but I
want to see him be great
with Daniel Jones. Haven't
seen that so much yet.
And the Raiders
from Glennon, the Raiders give up
the third fewest fantasy points to wide
receivers. And that's
include, you know, Marquise Brown had
a DC. He had a touchdown but 69 yards
deontay johnson was good um claypool was not really waddle struggled keenan allen mike williams
they stunk alan robinson's whatever um devontae smith was bad they've had look sutton had a good
game like i said marquise brown touchdown touchdowns to receivers all year, right?
I don't know, but it's possible.
I think we've only given up four.
There have been some good, but for the most part, they've been very good.
Third fewest fantasy points to wide receivers.
And Evan Ingram is a sit, even though the Raiders are garbage against tight ends.
The Raiders have given up 70 yards or a touchdown to a tight end in five straight games, Dave.
Yeah.
You can use Ingram as a bi-week replacement.
Maybe you used him last week and you were probably happy with him.
Maybe you can do the same thing this week.
Raiders defense top 12. 19th
for Heath. Atlanta at
New Orleans.
Matt Ryan. He doesn't like him.
Matt Ryan is a sit
this week. Just can't trust it.
Alright, so I just want to say this. I'm not going to Ryan is a sit this week. Just can't trust it. All right.
So I just want to say this.
I'm not going to approach it this way in fantasy.
If I had Cordero Patterson, of course, I'd start him.
Just kind of feel like he's due for a letdown.
He hasn't had one since week one. You know, he's been good every single week.
But now he is facing like one of the toughest matchups on the board.
Yeah, exactly. And he hasn't
run the ball well this year.
No, not efficiently.
His longest carry is 14 yards.
Saints have arguably the best run defense
in football. He's going to have to do it in the
passing game, but I'm assuming you have faith that
Cordell Patterson will.
I was trying to think of a joke to make here.
Please.
No, I'm not awake enough to make it good,
so I'm not going to do it.
I'm just going to remind everybody,
what does Cordell Patterson do?
He'll get some carries,
but he also does a good job in the passing game,
and he's this offensive weapon
that the Falcons basically would be lost
without.
Yeah.
So I,
I can't help but think that he's going to get work in the game.
He's been so productive.
He's played well,
um,
all year long.
How do you sit this guy?
You cannot do it.
Yeah,
I agree.
It just,
I guess I should have absolutely loaded at running back and receiver,
where you can put him on the bench.
Would you start Boston Scott over him?
No.
No.
I had more than a feeling that you would not start Boston Scott over him.
So... That's what I tried to avoid doing, by not making a joke.
But, you know...
Because I knew my joke wasn't going to be funny.
Let people laugh at you, as long as they're laughing.
Oh, dude, I was wearing a Bengals helmet
and screaming Yuzama at the end of the livestream yesterday.
It's true. He was. It was wonderful.
I've had people feed me sandwiches.
Like, people laugh at me all the time.
I'm used to that.
Atlanta wide receivers, no thanks.
But if you had to pick one,
would it be Tajay Sharp or Russell Gage?
Oh, God.
What a horrible question.
I think I'd still say Gage,
but I have no confidence in either Stooge.
Okay.
Kyle Pitts is a start.
I know.
Can I say that respectfully?
Stooge is a loving term around here.
Pitts was so bad last week,
and I told you that I watched every target,
or not just that,
but every pass that Matt Ryan threw,
and was it the double teaming?
I'm sure that didn't help,
but the biggest problem last week for the Falcons,
I know you saw it too,
they got whipped up front
by a really good pass rush.
Yep, that's going to happen again.
All right, well, that's going to happen again.
All right, well, that's going to hurt.
But you can't sit Kyle Pitts unless you had who?
I think if you have Kelsey, Waller, Andrews, or Goddard.
Goddard, there you go.
You got it?
Yeah.
Taysom Hill, 10th.
He's top 12 for everyone. In fact, Dave's the lowest on Taysom Hill at 12th,
10th for Jamie, 8th for Heath.
Yeah, we're clearly making the assumption
that he's going to clear the concussion protocol
and play every snap for the New Orleans Saints,
which I think it's likely,
but I can't guarantee that it's going to happen.
By Friday night, we'll have a pretty good idea.
You're sitting down to Shabbos, you'll know.
There have been four quarterbacks that have scored 33 or more points.
Huge games in seven games against the Falcons.
They are Hurts, Brady, Heineke, and Tua.
So it's not even like the elite of the elite here.
And Jalen Hurts rushed for 62 yards.
Daniel Jones, 39 yards. Taylor heineke 43 to a 29 sam
darnold 66 yards rushing against the falcons start camara three or more fantasy points to four of
seven quarterbacks i just said that oh i just said that you just said it as i was playing it
repeat man uh and i said it like 30 seconds earlier.
That's okay.
We do it all the time.
You're sitting there.
You're looking at all your cool notes.
You're like, oh, I got to say this.
You're not paying attention.
It happens.
Happens to everyone.
Start Camara.
Sit Ingram.
Start the, or sit the Saints wide receivers.
And the Saints tight ends.
Okay.
It's funny. Sit the Saints wide receivers. Sit the Saints tight ends. Okay. It's funny.
Sit the Saints wide receiver.
Sit the Saints tight end.
Start Taysom Hill.
He's obviously going to have to rush.
And you like the Saints DST quite a bit.
They're third for you.
Remember, it's a confidence issue, too.
How confident can we feel in Taysom Hill?
Well, we know he's going to run,
and that's always a good thing.
And he's produced for us that way before.
And he's a quarterback. He's going to put the ball's always a good thing and he's produced for us that way before and he's
a quarterback he's going to put the ball in the air to a degree but which receiver is the best
receiver in new orleans none of them have separated none of them can prove that they're
the best receiver there callaway is the most targeted guy he's basically the one that's
played them i know and that's why i'm just not as convinced on tasem hill You know, I just, I really think the Michael Thomas factor
is a big deal.
And even though he was good last year,
he didn't have blow-up games
and he faced the Falcons twice.
He was good against them twice.
But there's only so much you can do
when you can't really throw the ball.
And almost all of his production
was with Michael Thomas
in the passing game.
All right.
And if you remember, a lot of the routes that Thomas ran in those games,
they were slants, they were outs.
I tried looking to see which one of the receivers left for New Orleans
was best at those types of routes, and I really didn't get anywhere.
Traquan's more of a downfield guy.
Callaway's been meh, just in general.
Deontay Harris is a deep ball guy.
The thought I had, though, is that,
and maybe this is more for DFS than it is,
or a dart throw if you're in a deeper league,
is that because that offensive line is so good
and because that Falcons pass rush is so bad,
they can take shots down the field.
And Harris would be one of those guys
that Taysom Hill could target.
So could Traquan.
So they're interesting plays this week.
They are interesting.
All right,
let's go to the Patriots and the Panthers.
That of the game.
New England has held Mike Evans to seven catches for 75 yards.
That was not bad.
Antonio Brown,
63 yards.
Chris Goblin,
55.
Brandon cooks,
23 yards.
Amari Cooper,
55.
Mike Williams,
19 yards.
None of them scored. And that is why we
are nervous about DJ Moore, as we don't even know who his quarterback will be. It'll be
Walker or Darnold, probably Walker at this point. Can I say a little bit more on DJ Moore? Yeah.
Thank you. In his last four games, he's got a 53% catch rate. He's had some drops. Nine targets that he's gotten have been off-target throws.
Three drops from DJ Moore
over his last four games.
His average depth of target
is 11.9.
That's wide receiver 30
in that category.
They are not using him
to his full capacity.
He's still not a dominant
red zone receiver.
His quarterback play
has been sus.
I'm very nervous here.
And Belichick fawned over him in a press conference this week.
So it's very clear they know that they've got to do something
when it's second and 10, third and eight obvious passing plays
to lock him down.
I already know that on Sunday morning,
when we do our 1130 AM stream on YouTube,
we're going to have a ton of DJ more questions.
No,
I'm going to have a ton of fights with Chris about it because Chris is going
to go,
he's DJ more.
And I'm part of the problem is that we can't,
we can't go off of that when he hasn't been great the last four weeks.
He hasn't been great in his career for fantasy
because he does not score touchdowns because his quarterbacks suck i also like chris believe that
dj moore could be an elite wide receiver i just don't think he can do it in carolina with the way
they've had no not really get a better quarterback. Yeah. It's not DJ Moore's fault.
That's the thing.
Like, sometimes, the difference this week is that
I can't really think of a lot of wide receivers
that I'm starting over him.
You know, there have been some weeks
where I've been really excited about
maybe Kadarius Toney, who sometimes that's worked,
sometimes it hasn't.
I don't know.
I don't love the wide receiver's position this week
because of the buys.
So, you know, so Moore's just going to be started.
But heck, man, yeah, I'm nervous.
All right, Mac Jones, no.
Damian Harris is a start.
Got to.
Okay.
Okay, let me see if I had anything on this.
The Carolinas allowed just three rushing touchdowns.
That's the thing.
4.37 yards per carry to running backs. That's really not great.
And it's not fair.
It's not a fair number either. Why?
Because they're a different
defense when Shaq Thompson plays.
You're right. So they've missed
Thompson for three games.
They had him back last week and they were better.
Yeah.
You know he doesn't
give you anything in the passing game.
And by the way, the Panthers give up the fewest receiving yards to running backs.
He's just been scoring.
Yeah.
Bad for Bolden.
But okay.
You're starting Damian Harris.
Everybody's starting him because you know what his role is in this Patriots offense.
You'd start him in full PPR, which you start Harris or DJ Moore.
I think I'd start Harris over DJ Moore.
Okay, are there any other starts in this game?
We'll talk about Chuba Hubbard.
I guess that's it.
I might not start Harris over DJ Moore.
Yeah, I mean, because you probably have four points on,
at least four points on catches.
Catches alone for DJ Moore, sure.
All right, would you start Chuba Hubbard?
Let's face it, he's not tearing it up as a running back,
but he got 24 carries last week,
and that was after this edict to run the ball more.
So, Hubbard, thoughts?
We got lucky with Chuba Hubbard last week.
That is simply what happened.
Game script went his way.
Panthers wanted to run more,
but he lost snaps to Amir Abdullah
and Royce Freeman last week.
Still managed to be the lead guy
even after he fumbled on his very first carry.
He's been under three yards per carry
in the fourth quarter last week.
Patriots have allowed a lot of numbers
to running backs now.
104 total yards to five of the last six quarter
running backs that they faced.
Houston was the only team that did not get that.
And that's teams.
It's not just necessarily one running back. Although, although actually it is one running back i take that back
um they just don't give up a lot of touchdowns you're hoping that chuba hubbard finds 15 plus
touches against the patriots and it's not a guarantee that he will he's a middle-ish to
low-end number two fantasy running back all All right, so Dave has Tuba Hubbard
ahead of the Broncos running backs,
ahead of A.J. Dillon,
those guys who aren't starters,
but he's just behind Zach Moss and Chase Edmonds
ahead of Jeremy McNichols.
Low-end starter, not great, Bob.
And that's it.
D.J. Moore is a start. No Robbie Anderson. No Tommy Tremble.
Patriots DST. I would like to give a beat the wave a wire guy.
Yes. Oh, yes. I know who you're going to say. Go ahead.
Christian McCaffrey. No. Terrace Marshall.
Terrace Marshall should be cleared from the concussion protocol. Robbie Anderson's
played like straight doo-doo.
And Marshall should get an opportunity.
And that's another player that Belichick talked about
in his press conferences this week was Marshall.
And I was at the preseason game in Indianapolis
where P.J. Walker started.
And he was connecting with Marshall quite a bit in that game.
What do you call the area of your house that's outside
and, you know and overlooks?
No, it's elevated.
It's upstairs.
You go out on the-
Roof.
No.
Window.
Do you call it a balcony or a terrace?
I'm not rich enough to have a balcony or a terrace on my house.
Nobody has.
It's not a thing in Florida.
A lot of people don't have balconies in Florida.
But some people say terrace. You've got a balcony slash terrace at your.
Yeah.
I have.
Yeah.
Estate.
My estate,
please.
I was watching the sunset from my terrace last evening.
I never go on it,
but looking at my portfolio,
I call it a balcony.
Uh,
Tennessee.
Yeah, right.
Uh,
Tennessee.
I see you with your monocle and top hat yeah yeah you know
uh tennessee at the rams i found everybody who's rich has a monocle on it right everyone
i found my glasses the other day that was everybody oh gosh um you need to you can't
get you can't get into space without a monocle. Did you know that? That sucks.
I don't know when I'm going to get a monocle
when I'm stuck with these things on my head.
All right, Tennessee at the Rams.
I'm going to have to have LASIK just to get a monocle,
just so I could go to space.
All right, let's go through this game.
You're sitting Tannehill, although you have him like 15th,
so he's not an outright sit.
No, you've got to weigh him against other guys.
I know you want to...
Well, he's not that big,
but he probably weighs more than... You. Daniel Jones. I don't know. That's close. I know you want to... Well, he's not that big. But he probably weighs more than...
You.
Daniel Jones?
I don't know.
That's close.
I don't know about that.
Yeah.
Okay.
Jones is the husky man.
So you're sitting the running backs,
but you like McNichols better.
AJ Brown's top eight.
If Julio plays, start or sit?
Low end flex.
Stafford is a must.
Cooper Cup.
You like him this week?
Yeah,
I think he might catch a few passes.
Okay.
Daryl Henderson is a must.
Yeah.
Cup and Henderson are must.
I think Robert Woods is a number two receiver.
Higby by default is a top 12 ish type of tight end.
Although he's just been miserable. I feel like we're just, you default, is a top 12-ish type of tight end, although he's just been miserable.
I feel like we're just whipping ourselves.
So many red zone targets, so many green zone targets.
And nothing.
You're hoping for the touchdown, yeah.
I want the Higbeast.
Instead, I'm getting the...
I don't know.
It all goes to cup.
So, Henderson, by the way, how about this?
There's only been one running back
to rush for more than 70 yards against the titans oh james robinson do you think
daryl henderson becomes number two i think he's i think he's gonna be very good okay i just don't
want to call him number two yeah yeah that was mean uh ro Robert Woods is a number two wide receiver. Van Jefferson.
This is okay.
He's all right.
He's a flyer.
Brian Edwards or Van Jefferson in a deep league?
Brian Edwards or Van Jefferson?
Is that what you said?
I was looking at something else,
and I didn't want to say the wrong thing.
I would start Van Jefferson over Brian Edwards this week.
Tyler Higbee or Jared Cook?
And I would carry both of those,
you know,
van could have a meaningful role moving forward.
Now that Deshaun's gone,
not that Deshaun was really keeping him off the field.
Ask your question again.
No Higbee or cook cook Higbee or Conklin.
I have Higbee over Conklin right now.
I feel the same way.
Starting both those guys.
Higby or
Dan Arnold?
I have Higby over Arnold.
I get why
people like Arnold because he gets a lot
of targets. In PPR,
you can make the case for Arnold over Higby, I think.
Higby or Friar Muth?
Friar Muth.
Okay.
I think we're done here. Rams DST is
top three. Your chauffeur
is waiting outside. Yes.
Take you from your private studio to
the country club.
Every day, my
chauffeur brings me to the grocery
store. I let
him go in. I just watch from the back of the
car. He just gets me a new
bottle of gray Poupon, a little, little gray Poupon every day, Dave, just a new one. We don't,
we don't finish them. We just open new ones every day. Yeah. Um, actually the fanciest thing I've
been doing is putting a little liquid IV in my water. Good stuff. Promo code FFT on liquidiv.com.
Yeah. Delicious stuff. Um, and I'm very parched right now. So I'm going to
go hit that up. Thanks to Dave Richard. Thanks to all of you for watching. Um, I am Adam Azer
talk to you on the mailbag. You'll see that Friday on YouTube, Saturday morning on the podcast feed,
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