Fantasy Football Today - Start or Sit (NFC): Fields, Evans, Swift and More (09/29 Fantasy Football Podcast)
Episode Date: September 29, 2023Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts and wherever else you listen to podcasts David Montgomery! Of course we start with a ...recap of Lions-Packers and our thoughts on the Lions running backs, Romeo Doubs and more. Then we've got news and notes (12:05) with key injury updates ... One Question for Each Game (17:25)! Are the Broncos and Bears going to put on a show? What do we expect from Mike Evans in a tough matchup? Alexander Mattison? Rhamondre Stevenson? D'Andre Swift? We also help you Beat the Waiver Wire (24:55) ... Start or Sit for Broncos-Bears (29:25), Vikings-Panthers (36:30), Seahawks-Giants (44:00), Bucs-Saints (52:25), Patriots-Cowboys (1:02:30), Commanders-Eagles (1:09:00) and Cardinals-49ers (1:13:10) ... Email us at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179 SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1 Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @ctowerscbs Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Get 20% off Fantasy Football Today merch: https://store.cbssports.com/collections/fantasy-football-today%20?utm_source=podcast-apple-com&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=buy-our-merch&utm_content=fantasy-football-collection Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Off to the races, and he stays on his feet.
He's just going to go the distance.
Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath.
Oh, David Montgomery.
Ah! Oh, David Montgomery. Not started in a lot of leagues.
Only 40% of CBS managers started David Montgomery.
Three touchdowns, 121 yards, 32 carries.
And what is going on with Jameer Gibbs?
People are a little worried about it, and I get it.
Welcome to the show.
We'll recap the Lions and the Packers.
Lions with a resounding victory to improve to 3-1.
We're going to take a look at seven NFC home games.
Denver at Chicago.
Minnesota at Carolina.
Seattle at the Giants.
Tampa Bay at New Orleans.
New England at Dallas.
Washington at Philadelphia.
Arizona at San Francisco.
We tried to help you beat the waiver wire too last week.
We told you to go pick up Devon Achain.
Hopefully you listened.
And we'll talk about him a little bit later.
Yeah, anyway, Detroit 34 and Green Bay 20.
Okay, is there any doubt in your mind
that David Montgomery will be the best fantasy running back
for the Lions rest of season?
Not really, no.
Slight doubt, but it's hard to bet against it right now.
I mean, what would slow him down at this point besides injury?
That's really it.
Unless they decide that they want
to get a little bit more juice in the passing game out of that position uh but the here's the
thing that bothered me about this when the game was completely decided and he's coming off a thigh
injury and he's already gotten 28 carries at this point like what are they doing why are they trying
to get him hurt again right we couldn't get a little bit of garbage time
there for our boy
Jameer Gibbs.
Montgomery must start, right?
Must start at this point.
Next games are against
the Panthers, Bucks,
Ravens, and Raiders.
He's the start of the week in week five.
I don't care.
I don't care about the tough matchups.
This offensive line is strong.
He's good.
By all means,
keep him in your lineup.
And the offensive line
isn't even fully healthy right now.
Oh, that's the craziest part.
And what about Gibbs?
What are we doing with Gibbs?
You hold and then just
hope that they start
to give him a little bit more work
as the season goes on.
You know, I mean,
I just don't understand
like why spend the draft pick on him?
Like what they were fist pumping and high fiving and so excited that they
got him.
And I mean,
by all accounts,
we said this on draft night,
like you reached a little bit,
like,
you know,
I mean,
maybe it's a first round talent.
If you really wanted him,
I'm sure you could have traded down,
but like,
why not use it more?
Why?
Well,
I mean,
we can say that about a bunch of rookies that were taken in the first
round that went to curious landing spots.
We can say that about JSN.
We could say that about Quentin Johnson.
Sometimes these guys just aren't ready to,
to be let loose.
And not only is Gibbs not necessarily ready to not be let loose,
but they don't have to,
they,
they love what they're getting out of David Montgomery.
So I unfortunately think it means that Jameer Gibbs is just going to have to be parked
bi-week running back, obvious replacement for David Montgomery. If you're the Montgomery manager,
you could try trading for Gibbs, but you're going to have to give up more than you'd want.
I just think you've got to hold them. I think you were right. There's no reason you're never
going to cut them and you're not going to feel good starting them
unless Montgomery's out.
How about this?
We move on to a different topic.
Romeo Dobbs has scored 18 or more PPR fantasy points
in three of four games.
What a quietly awesome season.
And week two, he was terrible.
But other than that, 18 or more in three of four games.
Watson comes back last night,
you know, has the touchdown, thankfully.
You got so lucky if you started him.
I mean, not really,
because that still wasn't a very good game.
But yes, you got lucky.
No, but the expectations were low to begin with.
He should have had just the one catch,
and that was it.
Right.
So let's talk about the Packers.
Did anything change in your mind
in terms of how you evaluate
the Packers' offense rest of season based mind in terms of how you evaluate the Packers'
offense rest of season based on yesterday?
I mean, the offensive line is definitely a problem for everything.
You know, Jordan Love was running for his life,
and they couldn't get the run game going by any stretch.
I mean, granted, when they're down, you know, 14-3 in the first quarter,
that wasn't exactly a promising situation to run the ball.
But I think there's a good by-law opportunity for Aaron Jones, you know, because it's been two missed games and now a bad game. And so if the
Jones fantasy manager is struggling a little bit, you know, one in three after this week,
going for, you know, maybe looking to, uh, acquire something, um, in return that could help,
you know, that, that particular person. So I think it's just a matter of be patient with, with him in particular and be patient with Christian Watson. Like Dave said, you know, that, that particular person. So I think it's just a matter of be patient with,
with him in particular and be patient with Christian Watson. Like Dave said, you know,
you got lucky with the touchdown reception, but there are better things to come for him.
You know, now that he should have extra time to get ready for that week five game.
But Romeo Dobbs, I think is a, you know, weekly starter in three receiver leagues until proven
otherwise. Dobbs is that dude for green Bay. And he might even be better than a number three
receivers. We move forward, but love just, that's the guy that he's got his best timing with, and he's making great plays. And he should have had more great plays, but Love was just totally dysfunctional. The Packers offense about the pass rush, and you love to see that ignorance from quarterbacks,
but the play designs were terrible.
They would only have like two receivers downfield.
Everybody else was blocking.
Of course, the Lions were playing zone,
so they weren't going to be able to connect on those plays.
Some positives for Love.
He had his highest completion rate on the season, 64%.
His ADOT was 9.5.
That's actually his second lowest, but that's still above league average. His off-target rate, 11.1%. That was his best of the season, 64%. His ADOT was 9.5. That's actually his second lowest, but that's still above league
average. His off target rate, 11.1%. That was his best of the season. I still think that there's
some good in him. He just needs to cut down. He's doing this weird thing when he throws where he
puts too much of his body into it. And I think passes are sailing on him a little and that's
contributing to the off target throws. And he's still just a little bit late on some of the throws.
We talked about that during the preseason, but he, he loves going long and the Packers
try to like help him make that happen.
And we still saw that in the game, even against heavy zone coverage, he's throwing it deep
into tight windows.
He's doing a good job with it.
Uh, you really should have gotten more than 19 fantasy points out of him when it was all
said and done.
And they play Las Vegas next week.
You're going to love your Packers next week against the Raiders.
Oh, pun intended.
Okay.
Which Packers wide receiver would you prefer rest of season, Watson or Dobbs?
Still Watson.
I don't want to sound like I'm making a knee-jerk reaction here,
but I think Dobbs might end up being the guy.
I think he's just going to get good target volume
and good catches from week to week.
And hopefully Watson stays healthy.
Hopefully Watson proves me wrong.
I loved Watson before the season, but I see it with Dobbs.
I think he'll be the best one.
Yeah, I don't want to keep repeating myself,
but there were multiple reports in the preseason
that said Dobbsbs projections, guesses by
reporters, Dobbs would lead the team in catches.
So it's not a huge surprise
that he's off to a good start. I mean, 18
points in three or four games, that's surprising,
but a very good start for Dobbs.
Okay, anything to say? It's
weird. You know, Goff, this is going to continue
his look of
bad road games, but he didn't
play poorly. He scored 13.4 points,
early interception,
then he played great
just when you keep handing the ball
off to Montgomery for the touchdowns.
And, you know,
obviously they're running out the clock.
But yeah, I mean,
golfer love.
Two questions real quick.
Golfer love, rest of season.
And then what do we do with Josh Reynolds
who led the team in receiving again?
I'll still choose love
over golf but they're both in that mid to low end qb1 range and you'll obviously feel better about
golf when he's playing at home as silly as it sounds that's how it's working out and i'm i
still think reynolds is in the the flex conversation probably a deeper league flex conversation. Reynolds is droppable and I would take off over love.
I'm not going to react to four games based on how I had it ranked at the
start of the season when golf's already had two good games and still gets
Jamison Williams coming back in week seven.
So I'll still stick with golf.
Love's had three great games.
Yes.
Yeah.
Jamie's is clearly putting stock into Jamison Williams coming back,
which is why he's saying Grants is droppable.
Yeah, yeah, I'm not.
Okay.
All right.
Hey, one more thing from this game.
AJ Dillon, 68% of the snaps.
Really?
Well.
Green Bay?
Obviously, Jones wasn't.
Jones was getting his hamstring looked at during the game,
so I don't think he's healthy.
Okay.
But he played almost all the third and fourth downs.
How many fantasy points did he have?
Jones or Dylan?
I mean, it could be either one.
They both suck.
But Jones had 2.6, I believe.
Okay.
Yeah.
Dylan?
Dylan had 1.1.
1.1?
You don't run on this team.
This team's got a seriously good run defense.
Oh, yeah.
That's what it was.
For sure, the run defense was why Adrian Lone didn't have a great game. This team's got a seriously good run. Oh yeah. That's what it was for sure.
The run defense.
But obviously didn't have a great game.
No,
not a Dylan,
but Jones,
but obviously Jones,
not,
not fully healthy.
And same with Watson.
Their snaps are very,
I think the offensive line is a bigger concern.
Yeah.
They need,
they need Elton Jenkins back in a big way.
All right.
Sunday's a big day.
Obviously Sunday of week four,
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And by the way, you don't have to just watch it for fantasy football coverage.
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I mean, what a wild card.
Chris Towers last night was telling me about the Marlins.
The Marlins, I think they didn't finish their game last night,
and they have a half-game lead over the Cubs or something like that.
And if they end up, and it's not decided,
if it's not decided in the,
they'll have to,
if it's not decided by the end of the weekend,
they'll have to fly back to New York to finish the last inning of this game against the Mets.
Something crazy like that.
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Let's go to the most activated list.
So we haven't done this before,
but these are players who have seen the biggest increase in their start percentage from week three to week four.
And I'm not including Alvin Kamara.
I'm not including, I think Brandon Ayuk is on there.
Not guys coming back from injury or suspension.
So number one is Devon A...
How are we pronouncing this, Dave?
I've seen conflicting things.
What's the latest on A-chain versus A-chan?
It's pronounced...
Is that me?
That's you.
How do you pronounce it, though?
Because I thought Schefter said A-chan,
but then I thought I saw something that said,
no, it's actually A-Chan.
No, Adam's right.
I'm right.
Schefter's right.
Oh.
All right, so what do you think?
He went from 2% to 64% started.
Are you starting Devon A-Chan?
Just hit the damn music already.
Don't you know what I'm trying to do here?
That's the name of the week, yeah.
And it's the game of the week, yeah.
The Bills, Jose the Dol, yeah. And it's the game of the week, yeah. The Bills hosting the
Dolphins. And I
couldn't fool Dave today.
First time all year,
but to be fair, I was tipped off.
You were tipped off?
I was tipped. Well, two things. First of all, it's
obviously the game of the week. But second of all,
somebody sent me a tweet.
Oh, you piece of garbage.
Whoever did that, you really suck.
They said on the show yesterday.
No, that really pisses me off.
Well, that's your dumb fault for saying something.
That's the name of the week.
That's not cool.
I don't even want to do this most activated segment.
Of course not.
This was a terrible decision.
News and notes.
News and notes.
Let's blame it on the cough.
I'm not even coughing that much today.
I was hoping you were going to play the music while I was pretending to cough.
I had this whole thing in my head.
Ruined. All ruined. You could have played along.
Anyway, news and notes.
I'll get Dave next week when he's least expecting it.
That's what I want. That's what everybody wants.
Yeah, well, then why?
Apparently not everybody.
Not this one loser on Twitter.
No, no, no.
There's one guy that's...
Sorry, I'm being mean to him.
Don't do that next time.
I'm just frustrated.
Well, just don't say anything.
Well, I thought it was going to be our secret with all of the listeners and viewers.
News and notes.
Anthony Richardson looks like he's going to play.
Bryce Young looks like he's going to play.
Deshaun Watson was limited with a shoulder injury.
I don't really have much to update from yesterday,
but the big quarterback news is Richardson and Young
look like they're going to go.
Garoppolo is still in the concussion protocol,
but you guys expecting Garoppolo at this point?
Yes.
The biggest thing is probably Debo not practicing Thursday.
Yeah, I'll get to that.
I have it all by position.
So just finishing up quarterback.
We're hoping for Garoppolo and probably not expecting car.
Yes.
On Watson running back.
Saquon Barkley was limited.
That is an update from yesterday because the giants didn't practice Wednesday,
but he was limited in practice on Thursday.
And I do feel like this is going to be a very frustrating Sunday morning
situation where we're just not going to know.
But what can we say? I can't really say anything until then. If you know're just not going to know.
But what can we say?
I can't really say anything until then.
If you know Barkley's going to play, you start him.
If you don't, you might want to play it safe.
Eckler, what are you guys thinking for Eckler?
He tweeted something with an arrow sign or the little graphic squiggly thing pointing up.
I'm going to guess he's playing at this point.
Good. Get Josh Kelly away from he's playing at this point. Good.
Get Josh Kelly away from me.
Let's do it.
Jerome Ford and Kareem Hunt were both limited.
We're expecting them.
What's the latest on the Ravens running backs?
Oh, this is good to go, it seems like.
I've got to say, you want me to tell you the stash now
or when we get to beat the waiver wire?
No, let's wait. Let's ease it.
We got a guy.
Okay, excellent.
If you've got IR spots, get ready.
Just go to your league page now and get ready to add.
Wide receiver Jalen Waddell will play,
but Debo Samuel and Jawan Jennings both mispracticed.
Brandon Ayuk was limited, so we're thinking Ayuk will play.
We don't know about Debo right now.
Jamie, your thoughts?
We will talk about this game, but
it's the last game we've got.
Obviously, if one of the guys is out,
the other one steps up. Certainly, George Kittle as well.
This is an interesting game because
as we've noted, IUK does much better
against man than he does against zone.
This team plays a lot of zone.
Just keep that in mind. But if there's no Debo,
it's IUK to the moon.
I wouldn't be afraid of whatever defense the Cardinals throw out there if there's no Debo
Samuel and certainly the same thing for George Kittle. Yep. Okay. Jerry Judy was once again,
limited Devante Smith, mispractice with an illness. I said earlier that the Eagles were
dealing with an illness in their week three game, perhaps why they were a little sluggish.
Jalen hurts. Oh Sympathy coughs.
Oh, man.
It's been a real painful, painful week.
Yeah.
And Marquise Brown had a thumb injury,
so he was limited.
Still expecting him to play,
but we'll keep an eye on Marquise Brown.
And that's pretty much it.
Once again, Derwin James mispractice. Are there any key defensive injuries?
I think DeForest Buckner mispractice again.
That would be a biggie.
For the Colts defensive tackle.
Yeah, and he's a huge reason figuratively and literally
why their run defense has been so great this year.
I got a whole list.
I would say the biggest issues are in Carolina.
Yeah. Frankie Louvu. I don't know if he's... I don't know
if any of these guys are practicing. He was limited.
He was limited. All right, so that's a good sign.
Denver's run defense went
from bad to
sewer when Josie
Jewell left last week. So I'd
like to know if he's playing for the Broncos
against the Bears.
There's a couple of others. Lesser guys. Arizona's got for the broncos against the bears there's there's a couple of
others okay lesser guys arizona's got some guys that might miss the game all right let's do uh
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One question for each game. We have seven
of them today. Denver's at Chicago.
My question is, really?
These teams?
Offensive explosion? We're really
excited about these offenses in Denver
and Chicago? One of them.
Yeah, Justin Fields is going to have a big game.
I was thinking the other one.
You go ahead and think that.
I will.
Thank you.
The Bears, we can talk about it later,
but the Bears defense and offense are just horrific statistically,
both sides of the ball.
Not that the Broncos are lighting the world on fire,
but at least Russell Wilson's throwing better.
And I like him a lot this week.
I think Russ is going to have a good game.
I don't disagree.
I think he'll have a good game.
You like him better than Fields, Dave?
Yes.
Jamie does not.
No.
But just in general, I mean, are we ready to put stock?
You could look at Wilson and say he's having a good year,
but I would say that 10 of his fantasy
points came on the final possession
of the Week 2 game against Washington.
Much of that was on the Hail
Mary. That's fair.
He didn't have that Hail Mary.
He's got, I think,
what, like 19, 19
and 24-ish points? Something
like that. I mean, I might be a little off.
Well, okay.
If he doesn't have a good game against his defense,
get ready for Jared Stidham.
Yeah, so I'll agree with that too.
His completion rate is like 6 percentage points higher
than it was last year.
Yards per attempt is higher.
Touchdown rate is way higher.
Off-target rate is way, way lower.
He's playing a lot better, and he's attacking downfield,
which is exactly what you want to have at quarterback.
When you're taking on the bears who have one sack,
one sack this year,
that's how bad their pass rush is.
And they haven't had any in their last two games.
And their secondary is beat up to boot.
We didn't mention Jalen Johnson and Eddie Jackson beat up in that
secondary.
I think this broncos all i
think the broncos in general are going to bounce back after being humiliated last week i would i
would hope that sean payton runs the ball a little bit more to get their run game going
because you can run on the bears as well so i really like giovante williams in this game too
um i am curious because we're getting some rumblings that they're going to play marvin
mims a little more and his snap counts have been really limited for a player that has a huge upside.
So that would certainly help Russell Wilson as well.
And, you know, you talk about the Bears pass rush.
Well, the Broncos should have a better defense.
They have four sacks on the season.
Yeah.
So, you know, it's not exactly a team that's been getting a lot of pressure on the opposing quarterbacks as well.
And they've made a lot of quarterbacks already look good that are pretty crappy in Jimmy Garoppolo and Sam Howell in particular.
So I think there's a good game for Justin Fields.
I think it's going to be the best game to date. I think he's going to have
a top 10 finish, and I would start him over Russell Wilson.
We've got to move on to the next game here because that's the first game
we'll preview. Minnesota's at Carolina.
Alexander Madison
or Jordan Addison? Who's a better
flex?
If they're going to play
Cam Akers, and
after Madison's got some fumble concerns
and a lack of explosive plays and has
just really been getting by on a lot of work I'm going to take my chances with Addison but I hope
that Madison can still hold off Cam Akers and be the guy there for Minnesota the hunch and this
was based on what somebody who's you know watched all the Vikings games and pays close attention to
everything that comes out of Minnesota,
told me, and this makes sense, is Akers is going to start working in on running downs,
even if Madison doesn't fumble, but they're not ready to put him in on passing downs.
So the hunch is that Madison will lock into passing downs, which is good,
because that's pretty much every down for Minnesota, and that they'll split rushing downs.
But if Madison fumbles, then you know it's going to crumble for him.
I like Addison too.
Okay.
Seattle at the Giants.
Do we have 30 fantasy point potential
from these quarterbacks?
Yeah, yes.
But you also have 15 fantasy point potential
from these quarterbacks.
I mean, I struggle because I have Geno and Burrow.
Yeah, you're starting Geno.
Okay.
And I'd start Jones over Burrow, too.
Okay, would you start?
How about, which quarterbacks do you like better, basically?
The Denver-Chicago quarterbacks
or the Seattle Giants quarterbacks?
You know, which game is better for the quarterbacks?
Collectively?
Yeah, if you had to rank them?
Yeah, go ahead. Rank those four.
Oh, I have both guys in the Denver-Chicago game
ranked ahead of the Seattle Giants game.
How do you have it?
Fields, Wilson, Gino, Jones.
Wilson, Gino, Fields, Jones for me.
Okay.
All top 15.
Tampa Bay at New Orleans.
Other than Chris Olave, how many easy starts are there in this game?
You're starting Camaro.
You're probably starting Mike Evans too.
Like you've got to have some really good receivers
to move him down at this point.
He's just getting too much volume.
And I think he's going to continue to,
even with Lattimore playing Mike Evans or Tyler Lockett.
Lockett.
Tyler.
All right.
New England at Dallas.
Does Ramondre Stevenson get it going?
Define,
get it going.
Have a good game.
You know,
do you like him or for a fantasy?
Do you like him this week
not particularly running back yeah okay washington montgomery ranked ahead of him in ppr i have the
same question for washington at philadelphia and arizona at san francisco start them all and sit
them all start all eagles and niners sit all commanders and cardinals? I got an eagle. You're not sitting James Conner.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You can start with that.
And I think it'd be hard for us to start Brian or sit Brian Robinson and non PPR.
And I think,
I don't think Dallas Goddard is a slam dunk in non PPR either.
I'm hating what I'm seeing.
I just don't.
You'd have to pick up another tight end start.
I might be okay with that.
Who, though?
Who's available right now?
Yeah.
Let me see who I've got ranked ahead of him.
I know I have Hunter Henry ranked ahead of him.
That's always been the latest.
But he's like 78% rostered.
Yeah.
Ferguson, Everett.
I've seen Firemuth dropped in some leagues.
Goddard is just.
I wouldn't start Kincaid.
I wouldn't start Njoku.
I wouldn't start Komet.
But he's outside of my top 12 in non-PPR.
He's going to have a good game at some point.
At some point, they will actually throw a pass
inside the 10-yard line this year.
They barely do that now.
Yeah, they probably won't throw it to Goddard.
Yeah, because he doesn't run a lot of routes there.
But you're right.
They're not doing that.
And they're just not really throwing the ball that well this year.
All right, it's just a matter of, for me,
in my one league where I have Goddard,
I'm not spending another roster spot on a tight end.
It could easily be worse than Goddard.
Okay, yeah, so Conor,
we brought it up last week.
He's just, for every time,
he's been matchup-proof,
he's been game script-proof.
Go look at every single time
he's had a tough matchup
or a game where they've gotten blown out
or were expected to get blown out.
He comes through every time.
I don't know why I just have
this bad feeling about him,
but I'm sure I've had that feeling.
I'm sure I've had that feeling before,
and he always comes through, so. With him, I have it almost've had that feeling. I'm sure I've had that feeling before, and he always comes through.
With him, I have it almost every week.
And you know what?
He comes through.
So would you start James Conner, DeAndre Swift, Alvin Kamara?
How would you rank those three running backs?
Conner's third, but still starting.
Conner, Swift, Kamara.
All right, let's beat the waiver wire.
Beat the waiver wire. It's you versus the waiver wire. Beat the waiver wire.
It's you versus the waiver wire.
Who's going to win?
Dave, who are we stashing?
My favorite stash is a rookie named Keaton Mitchell,
who's currently on the IR for the Ravens.
He's an East Carolina running back.
Undrafted, very fast, will have fresh legs,
totally different type of running back than Gus Edwards and Melvin Gordon.
I know that Justice Hill practiced and Justice Hill coming back will probably put a cramp in Keaton Mitchell's development, but they need something consistent and explosive in their backfield.
And I don't know if they've got it on their active roster right now.
So if you've got IR spots, stash Keaton Mitchell.
I've done it in literally all my leagues.
And if he gets an opportunity at some point, you just plug them in.
It's a good running offense and a good offensive line when they're healthy.
Makes too much sense for them to go trade for Jonathan Taylor.
If he doesn't want to stay in Indianapolis, and this is a team that's been aggressive
in the past, that's the obvious move to help this team and to help
him and I would love to
see it happen. I would too, but that would
suck for all my shares of Keaton Mitchell.
The Jets
play the Broncos next week
and the Commanders play the Bears.
We look at just potentially great
matchups. I don't know if there's anyone.
Maybe if someone dropped Jahan Dotson,
Sam Howell.
Yeah, we're seeing
that in everybody's home leagues.
We got four buys next week. We got
Cleveland, the Chargers, Seattle, and Tampa
Bay. You need to get ahead of the game here.
If there's absolutely nothing available on the waiver
wire at quarterback, take a look at Sam Howell. Don't take
a look at Zach Wilson, but take a look at Sam Howell
Thursday night against the Chicago Bears.
That might not be the worst idea.
Let's see.
I think, oh, yeah, I talked about the upcoming schedule for the Chiefs
and their wide receivers.
They get Minnesota next week.
So if Rushie Rice or whatever, if Sky Moore's out there,
if you want to take a chance on someone,
if you can see a bigger role for one of those guys
and maybe they can carry some momentum, they've got great matchups coming up.
Hey, I got a question.
Are there any players on the Browns, Chargers, Seahawks, Bucks
that should be dropped now before they go into their bye week?
We were asked on HQ after we were done with the segment
by Jeremy St. Louis, one of the hosts about Jackson Smith at Njigba.
What are you supposed to do with him?
Do you cut him before the bye week and then just stash somebody else
because he hasn't been doing anything, or do you hold on to him?
I'm just wondering if there's anybody that you can think of
who you'd cut now before their bye,
because even if they have a good game they're going to
be used i don't think smith and jigba is one of those guys but are there players on the teams that
i just mentioned who you can kind of snip now don't have to worry about somebody reaching to
pick them up yeah elijah elijah moore elijah moore and jsn are the ones that come to mind
those are the first but you do it on sunday morning you don't do it now depending on your
waivers are you doing right unless there's somebody you really want that's still sitting
right on the add drop list is does zach charbonnet count i don't think so
but going on to handcuffs through buys is always a tricky decision right right so i definitely
wouldn't do it with charbonnet i would with elijah moore i would with jsn if there was somebody that
you absolutely positively had to have off have to have off the waiver wire with the idea that do it with Charbonnet. I would with Elijah Moore. I would with JSN if there was somebody that you
absolutely positively had to have off the waiver wire with the idea that you'd go back for Smith
and Jigba either next week or the week after, but I don't love that. In terms of other players to
add, you could always, if you have an empty roster spot, you could always pick up a handcuffed
running back. Tank Bigsby, 60% roster. Justice Hill is not even a handcuff. He just might be a guy who has a role.
He's 52% rostered,
although you just heard what Dave said earlier,
but still not a bad idea to pick up Justice Hill.
No, he's ahead of Mitchell when he's healthy.
There are some other guys to add
just in the handcuff area.
You could also take a look at Jarek McKinnon.
Maybe his role would grow a little bit,
and I'll try to find some wide receivers
if this would just load for me here.
I got the spinning wheels. Anyway, I don't know, whatever. I'll just keep find some wide receivers if this would just load for me here. I got the spinning wheels.
Anyway, I don't know.
Whatever.
I'll just keep saying Rishi Rice.
Wanda Robinson.
Wanda Robinson is a guy you could add.
Yes, please add him.
Yeah.
11 snaps last week.
Five targets.
Yeah, that's the stat.
Yeah.
Good call on PPR.
Maybe even half a non-PPR.
All right.
Denver's at Chicago.
Here we go.
Let's have this Javante Williams rankings dispute
because, Jamie, you are a lot higher on Javante
than Dave is, so hit it.
Have you seen the Bears?
Have you seen Javante?
That's the thing.
Well, let's talk about context
of who you have him ranked ahead of
and just how aggressive you're being
starting Javante Williams.
I think he's going to score his first touchdown. I think he's still going to have a couple of
catches and I think he's going to go for 80 total yards or more. So I'm not fearing Javante Williams
because he's playing the bears. I think it's going to be his best game to date.
I think the, the worry on Javante, I moved him up. He's, he's now a number two running back for me,
but the worry is that he's still splitting a lot. He hasn't even played 50% of the snaps in any game yet this year. He's barely played on third and fourth downs, and he hasn't been efficient. He's had a couple of really good runs, but as bad as the Bears are against the run, they are even worse against running backs catching passes out of the backfield.
A little bit of that is aided by Aaron Jones and what he did in week one and Jarek McKinnon last week.
But still, they're dead last in yards per catch allowed to running backs, yards after catch per reception to running backs.
Defensive pass EPA against running backs is the worst by a mile.
And there's room for him to get, you can call it 12 carries for 50 yards,
three catches for 30 yards, and the touchdown on top of it.
That's a really good game for Javante Williams.
And then you sell the hell out of him after he does it.
So number two running back, good matchup.
And yes,
he could absolutely have his best game of the year.
Okay.
Got to update a stat.
So since going back to last year,
the bears have now allowed night.
Did they get to 19?
I don't think they did.
Well,
going into last week's game,
they allowed 19 or more PPR fantasy points to a running back in seven of
their last nine games.
They did not allow that last week, but Clyde and McKinnon both had really big, or all the running backs, Pacheco, Clyde, and McKinnon.
They suck.
They suck against the run.
They can't get much of a push from their defensive line.
They're a mess right now on both sides of the ball.
Yeah.
But certainly on defense.
Well, just, Jamie, you have Javante ahead of some pretty big names.
You got him ahead of Kamara, Swift, Connor, Miles Sanders.
Yeah, I think he's going to be better than those guys.
All right.
How about the Bears running backs?
Any interest there?
I do.
I have some interest in Roshan.
I think this is going to be his best game to date as well.
And I hope that this is when the takeover happens,
that he's outperforming Khalil Herbert.
But both guys should be considered as flex plays,
given how bad Denver's run defense has looked.
See week three.
Do you think this is true, by the way?
Comment from the chat.
When one of Adam's players gets a touchdown,
he says, hip, hip, hooray.
Oh, definitely.
Especially if your kids are around.
Oh, they're finally starting to get into sports.
I'm loving it.
So Jacob Gibbs had an interesting tweet
about the Broncos running back.
Sorry, the Bears running backs.
It's that actually,
if you look at game neutral situations
or situation neutral situations,
whatever it is.
I think like seven points or less is the score,
you know, the difference in the score
when it's not garbage time.
Khalil Herbert is actually owning that time.
He is the clear lead running back in those situations.
Right.
For all six minutes of those situations each week.
So Gibbs was making the case that
khalil herbert is actually the guy um we'll see how it plays out i don't think you want to start
these guys but no i i wouldn't feel good about starting them that like if there were buys this
week you'd start them great dfs place okay i think herbert is the better dfs play because i bet more
people are thinking along
your lines jamie of this is the rasha i will tell you let's see what the projected ownership yeah
yeah tell me on that first of all how reliable has that been for you very reliable okay good to know
uh herbert is at 1.2 percent and rasha is at 0.8 okay so what the hell do I know? They're both... It's a dead heat.
Yeah.
They're both losers that everybody's ignoring.
So wide receivers in this game.
Rank these wide receivers.
Moore, Sutton, Judy, Mims.
I'll take Sutton.
And then I think I have Judy over Moore.
I do.
Mims is after that.
So Jamie has Moore first in this game.
Yeah, he's third.
Dave has him third.
Yeah.
I know who the Broncos are playing.
Jamie, are you concerned about Patrick Sertan being on him,
being on DJ Moore?
Maybe a little bit, but as we saw,
sometimes garbage time matters,
and he's gotten
13 or more PPR points in back-to-back weeks.
They do not line up
Sertan against the number one guy
consistently. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't,
and almost never in the slot.
And so DJ Moore could continue to work out of
the slot for, I don't know how much it's been,
but call it a third of his
snaps, I could look it up.
And I think that Moore's a good target still.
I think he can still get you around 15 PPR.
Which means you obviously like Sutton and Judy
because you're ranking them ahead of him.
Even more than that.
Yes.
Again, the Bears.
Who in this game,
which wide receiver in this game
is better than Michael Pittman this week?
In PPR, I agree.
Non-PPR, I'd put Sutton ahead of him for sure.
Yeah, I would take Moore and Sutton over Pittman.
In non-PPR?
In non-PPR.
Yeah, I have it ranked that way.
Who in this game is better than Tutu Atwell this week?
Who?
Just Sutton for me.
Just Moore.
Who in this game is better than Devon HN this week.
Which wide receivers are you starting over HN?
Uh,
in PPR,
more inside.
More inside.
Sorry.
I just feel like I was cheated.
I just feel like I was cheated.
Oh,
what happened?
No,
I just,
like I mentioned HNs,
I hit the game of the week song because I just feel like I was cheated by
a rogue listener. But anyway,
that was funny. Okay.
Thank you. I was amused. Well done.
Tight ends in this game. Bitter
young fool who hurts himself coughing
tight ends in this
game. No, there
will be some who play. I wouldn't start
them. And we've already talked about wilson
and fields fields is the start of the week these guys are low-end starters we like them better than
joe burrow jamie do you have the dfs percentages for those two uh i think i saw fields is like top
five okay and russ should be right up there with him fields is is 5.8%, but quarterbacks are always lower.
Russell Wilson is 2.9%.
Okay.
Go start Russ.
I know I will.
Denver's DST is a low-end starter.
I'm going to win a million dollars.
Minnesota's at Carolina.
You were going to share that with me.
Stat of the game.
I'll buy you cough drops.
Four running backs have scored 15 or more PPR fantasy points
against the Panthers in three games.
That would be both Falcons running backs, Tony Jones and Ken Walker.
This is a team you can run on.
So it's just tough to trust Madison right now.
But if Akers weren't part of the equation, we probably would like Madison.
Top 12.
He'd be top 12.
I don't know about top 12. He'd be top 12. I don't know about top 12.
He'd be top 12.
He would be top 12.
And where is he instead?
He's top 24.
Yeah.
Jamie, what do you have for Madison?
Yeah.
Low end number two running back.
Again, I hope he takes advantage of the matchup.
Look, if he gets 15 plus carries and two or three catches, then he's going to be fine. You're probably still starting him of the matchup. Look, if he gets 15-plus carries and two or three catches,
then he's going to be fine.
You're probably still starting him across the board regardless.
But it's just been very frustrating and tough to trust.
How many quarterbacks are you starting ahead of Kirk Cousins this week?
Four.
One.
Okay.
Just start Kirk Cousins.
I don't think he has to throw as much. I don't think they're chasing points. one. Okay. Just start Kirk Cousins, but it's two.
I don't think he has to throw as much.
I don't think they're chasing points.
Yeah.
Let me,
let me just say,
I understand cousins,
this,
this argument that he's going to have his best year.
They have a 74% pass rate.
I went back round up at 75.
I went back and I looked at the last 10 years.
I haven't,
the highest I seen is like 68.5 or something.
So what they're doing right now is outrageous,
the amount of passes they're throwing.
It won't happen.
And it's actually making me consider in a league
where I just don't like my team.
The IDP League, one and two.
I'm just not feeling it.
I have Burrow.
I have Mixon, Madison, Pickens.
I have Jefferson.
I'll take Jefferson off your hands.
I'm thinking of trading Jefferson,
who I still would take number one overall.
But maybe this is the peak of his value
just based on the pass value.
He's fine.
I'm not saying...
Maybe trying to trade him for two great players,
two second-round caliber players or something.
But just throwing that out there.
Only do that if you don't feel like you can win
with your roster. But yeah,
it's just crazy how much they're throwing and
Jamie's thinking that's not going to be the case.
And actually, this team's been very good against the
pass thus far, Carolina. I don't know
if I buy it. They're really beat up in the secondary.
Yeah, I don't think he's going to struggle per se,
but I don't think this is a game where he's got to
throw the ball 50 times.
This could be a 35 pass attempt I don't think he's going to struggle per se, but I don't think this is a game where he's got to throw the ball 50 times. You know,
you don't,
this could be a 35 past a game,
35 past attempt game for cousins.
How about Jordan Addison versus the Broncos and bears wide receivers?
Uh,
behind more and Sutton,
right in the same range as Judy.
I've got them ahead of Judy and more.
Okay.
Also, I don't think that the Vikings
are going to just run away with this one
because I don't know if they're capable of that.
Even against Carolina.
Start TJ Hawkinson.
He has seven to eight catches in each game.
Over to the other side of the ball.
Carolina quarterbacks.
Bryce Young.
It's going to be him.
And that's, if I could say...
There it is.
He's thrown for 150 yards per game in two starts.
So we're going to sit him.
But what about Adam Thielen?
Any interest in DJ Chark coming off a huge game?
How about Thielen versus all these receivers?
I did a fun DFS lineup with young Thielen Stack
because he's so cheap, Bryce Young.
And the Vikings are so bad.
Sure, why not?
I mean, we can't tell him.
Like, you wouldn't start young over Burrow, would you?
I'm not starting young in redrafts,
but if he has a two-touchdown game,
which would not be surprising against this defense, and he gives you 225 yards or maybe more than without, you know, vomiting all
over himself with a bunch of turnovers, then he's going to have a decent enough game, especially if
Thielen does what he does, then those are the type of players. Cause you get so many options to put
around. Okay. So do you like feeling more than all the, you know, the Addison DJ more Cortland Sutton? Yes. I've got him behind Sutton, but I, he's a top 24 wide receiver, even in week two with Bryce young, huge target share, 18.4 PPR points, just not as efficient. The thing that I was most impressed with last week was his timing with Andy Dalton was impeccable. It was amazing.
So I kind of hope that they get there with Bryce Young.
But for now, he's the number one receiver.
He's going to get a lot of targets.
He's getting open.
This old ass man is getting open.
You'd love to see it.
So, you know, we're starting to learn a little bit more about matchups and what's good and who's bad and whatnot.
Like, for example, Seattle's run defense is one that i'm really looking at they've been amazing so far and that's who
miles sanders played last week he had nine carries for 24 yards and a touchdown but minnesota's run
defense has been sneaky good because i'm also starting to think sure jan well i'm also starting
to think that when you evaluate a team's run defense,
you don't count what DeAndre Swift does to them.
Because the way the Vikings played DeAndre Swift,
they're not going to play an opponent like that again
all year, most likely.
The way they faced the Eagles is the strategy they had.
And they've been great against Rashad White
and great against Josh Kelly.
And yes, those guys are Josh Kelly and Rashad White.
But anyway, I don't know that it's a layup of a matchup for Miles Sanders,
but you guys are starting Miles Sanders. How do you feel about it, Dave? Are you confidently
starting Miles Sanders? Are you nervously starting Miles Sanders? Yeah. The counterpoint to your
argument is you shouldn't count what they did against Joshua Kelly either because he's awful.
He just isn't nearly as efficient with his carries as 90% of running backs
in the National Football League.
I do like a lot of their players on their defense,
but I think Miles Sanders is still going to get certainly more work than last week.
You know that he's got the potential to score,
and he's caught a ton of targets this year,
certainly by comparison to what he did in Philadelphia.
I think I read somewhere that he's on pace for career high in targets,
like way over what he's had.
So I'll figure it out and I'll tell you.
He's averaging four catches a game.
Right.
That's terrific.
Like in PPR, top 15 running back,
no questions asked.
Start him.
All right.
Start Miles Sanders.
Start Adam Thielen.
What do you think about Chark?
I mean, some people are desperate.
Is Mingo definitely out?
I know he's in the concussion protocol.
Yeah, there's no update that I've seen,
but I would guess that he is.
I don't know if it matters so much,
but I think in terms of the upside,
the ceiling is certainly a little bit
better if there's no Mingo on the field. Look, he's not going to get the same amount of targets
because I don't think Bryce Young is going to give him the same opportunities Andy Dalton did.
So he's not a bad stash candidate just to see what happens. And again, a matchup is favorable.
So desperate situation. Like I have him in a, in a league where I start five wide receivers,
I'm starting him, but I don't, I don't want to start him in a three-receiver
league yet, so I'm not there with him. You got to wait for
Andy Dalton to get back on the field, which
who knows when that'll be. Guess the
pace, the 17-game pace for Miles
Sanderson targets.
100. Jamie?
Sure, 100.
Higher!
110.
113 targets
68 catches
yeah it's a lot
alright Sid Hayden Hurst and let's go to Seattle at the Giants
in fact I am going to Seattle at the Giants
yes let me know if you're going
everybody out there
why should I catch your cough
is it the game Dan's going with you
no Dan's going separately but I will be
tailgating with him.
Nice.
Hopefully.
We had a great time last Monday Night Football last year.
Why don't you guys run a 20-yard dash or something, see who's faster?
Because I have injured ribs, or I would.
Okay, why don't you thumb rustle?
That is not a contest that I am interested in losing.
Stat of the game for this one.
All three quarterbacks to face the Seahawks
have thrown for 323 yards or more.
And that would be Dalton.
Who are we talking?
Stafford, Goff, and Dalton.
They've all thrown for 323 or more yards.
I know it's really hard.
Take me under on Daniel Jones.
Yeah, probably.
But you look at what he did like Minnesota last year,
he's had two 300 yard games. And, uh, I don't know. I mean, this is why you drafted Daniel Jones.
Oh, you should start him, but I don't think you can get 300 yards. No. Yeah. 300 yards to Matthew
Stafford is like 200 yards to Daniel Jones. Uh, right. Jones rarely throws for 200 yards but he does
maybe you should say 150
again if you drafted Jones
I just struggle with this one
I only have him in one league I think maybe I have him super flexed too
but is it just a good quarterback
week
it's not bad
it's a little bit tougher when you're looking at DFS
lineups because of who's not available to you
because of the Sunday night and Monday monday night and sunday morning games like daniel jones um
yeah i mean daniel jones dino smith would be great dfs plays because of what they would most likely
be priced at but yes it's not a bad week for quarterbacks at all so daniel jones is worth
starting if he's your best quarterback i would start more deshaun watson for example or dac
prescott um burrow you know so there's know, three guys that were probably drafted ahead of him, but look, he's got to
perform better. He's got a pretty crappy sample size right now. One good game in two awful ones.
And the two awful ones were against really tough matchups. This is not one of those tough matchups.
And he did not play well against Seattle last year in Seattle.
They were a tough matchup. This is what I don't really understand. I think there's a history of
this with Pete Carroll, of their defenses getting better as the year goes
on. But they were
great against wide receivers. They were really good against
the pass last year, and they
should be getting healthier with Reek Woolen
and Jamal Adams playing this week.
So I think, guys,
personally, I think Seattle
pretty much does what it wants
offensively, and I think the Giants might
struggle, unfortunately.
I don't know how you guys feel.
Is that the fan talking?
No, it's just the Giants' defense is just not good.
They have no pass rush.
Oh, that I, sure.
So I'm confident in the Seahawks.
Geno revenge game, too.
It is a Geno revenge game.
Nice.
It's a Giants' revenge game for Geno ruining Eli Manning's streak.
Do you like Jones a little less if Saquon does play?
I think you have to.
No, I like him more if Saquon does play,
because Saquon might be the best receiver.
And he just makes their offense so much more versatile and less predictable.
Yeah, they're not worried about Matt Breida.
They're worried about Saquon Barkley if he's on the field.
But I think this is a pretty easy game, right?
I mean, Geno and Jones are low-end starters.
You know, Walker's easy.
Metcalf and Lockett, you guys like.
Now, Lockett's only had one good game in three.
But you like him.
Well, when he left, also.
Did he?
But I don't think he missed that much time, did he?
In week one, yeah.
Okay.
Should have had a touchdown in week one
before he left.
All right. And I feel like he was close to one last week maybe i'm maybe i'm just cuckoo you're starting lockett you're starting metcalf you're starting waller uh i would in a deep league
give wandell robinson if you need a receiver desperation type of guy. How many snaps is he going to play? How many snaps is he going to play?
I think like 30%.
30% I don't know.
30%, so 18, 20 snaps.
I don't know.
I have no idea.
I have no idea.
That's kind of the problem with starting Wandale.
Stashing him is easy.
It's starting him that stuff.
I hate to be a jerk about this.
I'm sorry.
Lockett has played 88%, 86%, and 81% of the snaps.
So he has, actually, this is kind of a bigger Tyler Lockett discussion played 88%, 86%, and 81% of the snaps. So he has...
Actually, this is kind of a bigger Tyler Lockett discussion
than just this game,
because this should be a good game for him.
But this is what concerns me.
I'm getting some, some Adam Thielen vibes
from the 31-year-old Tyler Lockett.
He now has 68 or fewer...
He has no more than 68 yards in 14 of his last 15 games,
including the postseason.
So it's not a good sign for Tyler Lockett.
I don't think it's something we should completely ignore,
but this should be a good week for him.
So the question is,
what do we do about the Giants running backs here?
Jamie, what are your thoughts?
I mean, you said at the start of the show,
if Saquon Barkley, we find out Sunday he's playing,
you're starting him.
If he's not, then Brita is at best a flex.
You know, he played 82% of the snaps last week, did score a touchdown.
I mean, obviously you could say he didn't look great.
But again, look what they were playing against San Francisco, which is a much, much tougher matchup.
So he should perform a little bit better.
The question is, did they see enough to say, okay, maybe we should give Gary Brightwell more touches if there isn't no Barkley
there.
So if you can avoid the Giants running backs,
minus Saquon Barkley, that's your best bet.
But if you're stuck, then Brita,
I think if Brita was dropped or still available on waivers and you're the
Barkley manager, you just pick them up and say, okay,
I'll play who the starter is or who, you know,
with Barkley doesn't play.
I'll just plug Matt Breida in there.
But you just hope that Barkley's out there.
Yeah, I'm with that.
Guess which receiver in this game has two end zone targets every week this season?
Yeah, Lockett.
Lockett.
That's part of the reason why you're starting him.
So if I told you Barkley were out, would you start Matt Breida or Brian Robinson?
Robinson. Robinson.
Robinson.
Do catches count?
Yeah.
Robinson.
If I told you Barkley were out,
would you start Matt Brita or Khalil Herbert
or Rashawn Johnson?
Both of those guys.
I have Brita over Herbert and Rokoff.
You know, it hurts to laugh because of the torn ribs.
So, thanks for that.
Plural?
Multiple ribs are torn?
No, just a muscle in my rib cage.
You should get a replacement at Bobby Rubino's.
I can go for some ribs.
By the way, you said the Niners...
This is what I'm saying.
You said the Niners are a much tougher matchup than the Seahawks.
I don't think anything will be proven if Barkley's out.
I don't care whatever stats you're going to tell me.
The Niners are a tougher matchup.
I'm just saying, they're giving up 2.7 yards per carry to running backs.
We've got to keep an eye on the Seahawks' defense.
I don't care what the stats say.
The Niners are a tougher matchup than the Seahawks.
Remember the ice cream cookie skillet dessert at Tony Roma's?
I used to get that every time.
I'm not saying, Jamie, that the Seahawks are tougher than the Niners. I know what you're saying time I'm not saying Jamie that the Seahawks
are tougher than the Niners
I'm just saying
it's a moot point they both can be good
Tampa Bay is at New Orleans
but first we gotta take another commercial break
we'll talk about Mike Evans and his horrible
history against the
New Orleans Saints just in case you missed it earlier this
week that's coming up and also
Alvin Kamara making his return. We'll talk
about that and his pretty bad history
against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. We'll be right back.
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before that. Tampa Bay
is at New Orleans.
And just to give it again, the stat of the game,
in the 10 games that Evans has played against the Saints with Marshawn Lattimore,
he has scored more than 12.8 PPR fantasy points once.
He has scored single-digit PPR fantasy points
in five of those 10 games.
And he's been at 64 or fewer yards in eight of those 10 games.
So it's just awful.
And like I said,
on the Tuesday or Wednesday show,
I think there have been plenty of times where he's gone into the game
saying you can't sit Mike Evans.
Look what he just did.
And it hasn't mattered.
So where do you guys have Evans?
The number five running a wide receiver and fantasy going into this week.
Where do you have him ranked?
High end. number three receiver.
I'm there.
High-end number three receiver.
Is it not in your top 24?
Top 30.
Yeah.
And that's a lot of respect to this matchup.
Would you say this is the—
There's a lot of history.
You just laid it out.
I mean, it's not just, you know, a three-game sample size,
a five-game sample size.
It's pretty big, you know.
So I hope he can, you know, outperform it.
I mean, my gosh, he has maybe his best quarterback ever.
So Baker's done a great job for Mike Evans.
I just can't trust the history.
Yeah.
Would you say this is the most influential matchup history in fantasy for you
in terms of how it affects your rankings?
Ever?
Current.
In terms of historical?
Because there's been situations where, like, you know,
great corners playing receiver, and they've never met before.
I'm talking about one player.
Can you remember one player against a specific
team this influential? Well, I mean, he's in year 10, right? I mean, there's a lot of data
for Mike Evans. I know. That's what I'm saying. I mean, I feel like this is as telling as it gets.
There's another one, by the way, coming up later in the show, another pretty long history of a player and a matchup,
but it's on the other side of the spectrum.
It's great history.
All right, so that's Evans.
Chris Godwin, start or sit?
What do you think?
Can't start him at this point.
What if I told you that Godwin has a higher average
against the Saints in the last nine meetings than Evans does?
Would that make you want to start Godwin over Evans? Not until I see a better connection between him and Baker Mayfield.
So, and that's like, that's why I kind of want to play devil's advocate with Mike Evans is that
he's averaging 9.3 targets per game. Are we just to believe that that's going to shrivel to four
or five targets because they're playing the Saints? Like the Bucks are going to know that.
I mean, look, you got, you got lucky last week with the touchdown against the Eagles,
you know, and he's not exactly like consistently over a hundred yards receiving. So you're getting
saved by his yardage, you're getting touchdowns. And so it's been great. He scored three straight
games, but at some point, if he has a 50 or 60 yard outing and four catches, despite nine targets
and doesn't score,
that's a pretty crappy stat line.
And if that's going to happen, wouldn't it make sense for it to happen when he's on the
road against a team that has schemed against him very well for a long period of time?
If he was struggling coming into this week, he wouldn't be right.
He would not be right.
Right.
Exactly.
And it is a good point,ie that evans has had 66 yards
against minnesota on 10 targets 60 yards against philadelphia on 10 targets that's bad but he
scored the touchdown he crushed chicago 171 yards the touchdown i remind you that he should he had
a 70 yard catch i think where he shoved a guy out of the way and he should not have counted should
have been past interference um maybe it wasn't 70 but it was one of his longest it was long it was huge catch so that's a good point it's all about the ball that's what's
been carrying him and and he's getting his a dots lower that's the difference from now versus years
past okay so rashad white heath likes rashad white he's got him 17th i think and ppr 15th and non-ppr
i'll double check on
that. You guys do not like Rashad White. I don't like a lot of the Bucs this week. I mean,
the Saints defense has been really good, and he's had one good game of the three.
This is a tough defense. He's not exactly dominating in the passing game like I had hoped.
Maybe that changes this week, but I think just from the standpoint of non-PPR is easy to bench.
And in full PPR, okay, maybe he's a number two running back.
I don't know.
I don't really love Brian Robinson. I'm starting Robinson over him in one league where I have the two of them in taff PPR.
Yep.
I like that.
Starting A-Chan is easy to do over Rashad White, too.
I think we've spent enough time on the Bucs.
Obviously, you guys don't like the Bucs. Obviously, you guys
don't like the Bucs
going up against this defense.
Yeah, his only good game
was against Chicago,
Rashad White.
And we've already talked
about how terrible
that defense is.
All right, so let's talk
about the...
And Todd Bowles
hates him right now.
You guys do not have
Jameis Winston
in your top 20,
so don't start him.
But...
I'm starting him
over Stafford
in the Superflex League.
I'm happy about that.
Okay. All right, Alvin Kamara.
He has not been good.
In his last three seasons, he's averaged 2.6
yards per carry against the Bucs.
But this Bucs run defense isn't
the same as it used to be, I guess. So how much
faith do you have in Kamara, Jamie?
I think the thing for
me with him is that
fresh legs against a team that just played Monday night.
And yes, he does not have a great history, but he does have four total touchdowns in his last five against Tampa Bay.
So there's touchdown potential here.
Plus you have Jameis starting.
So I think they're going to lean more on their run game.
At least give them opportunities and maybe make some easy throws from Jameis to Kamara as well.
So he's a number two running back.
You know, I think if you have him and you stashed him for the first three weeks,
you should be moderately
excited to have him back.
Is it the softest of matchups
to start with?
No.
But is it one that you run away from?
No.
6.1 yards per carry
to the Bears running backs
two games ago
and then 5.8 to the Eagles
running backs last week.
I don't think this is a matchup
to be totally scared of.
OK.
And they're giving up a lot
of yards before contact,
even against the bears 2.91 yards before contact for rush.
Camara's going to have a good game.
What's your interest level in Michael Thomas?
Who's been 11 to 12 and a half PPR points in all three games.
And Rashid Shahid.
Shahid is more of a boom bust type of number three receiver.
If you're stuck with the hope that Jamison,
his ability
to just wing it down the field whenever he wants to
leads to some big plays or a big play or a couple of big plays for Shahid.
I think, Thomas, you're just penciling him in
as a number three receiver in PPR at this point.
Not a lot of upside until we see it,
but giving you that floor right there, which is perfect.
I'm looking up something on thomas give me a minute okay he uh he's averaging 0.9 yards after the catch per catch so there's that one that's not
what i'm looking one yak per catch uh all right and would you start um i'm sorry did you say
chris godwin versus thomas did i ask that I would start the top two Saints receivers over Godwin.
Shaheed is after Godwin.
But not over Evans.
I would start Olave over Evans.
Sorry.
I don't know why I was...
It's Olave, Evans, Thomas, Godwin, Shaheed.
Okay.
Trey Palmer.
Any interest in Taysom Hill?
In non-PPR, he's a desperation start at tight end.
Okay.
What do you think about,
I want to take a look at their schedule.
What do you think about trading Kamara now?
Do you think we are at the peak of his value
or just play it out?
Let's see what happens.
I wouldn't say you're at the peak of his value,
but you are talking about a 28 year old running back with a backup quarterback
with a year ago was who a year ago was terrible in terms of what the
expectations were.
And what happens when Jamal Williams comes back off of IR,
if that happens in terms of what the workload will be with Kendra Miller,
maybe getting some chances as well.
So if you're getting something great in return, like I had a league, yeah,
in a league yesterday where the Bijan Robinson manager was 0-3 and did an on the block,
you know, looking to make a move. And I sent a package of Alvin Kamara and I know I was
underselling it. It was like Nico Collins, Alvin Kamara and somebody else, you know, just to see
what, how desperate they were and how much name value Camara would still have. And the trade got rejected. But I think if you can put some sort of, you know, put some trade offers to some managers
that are struggling that would love to have a guy like Camara back, the Barkley manager,
the Eckler manager, the Aaron Jones manager just had a bad game.
You know, those are the type of moves that should help you and maybe help that person
also.
If you can get somebody to overpay on Camara, it would make sense.
But I'm not actively trying to get them off my fantasy team.
Tell me if this stats mean anything to you guys.
With Jameis Winston last year, it was only three games.
Michael Thomas, 19.8% target share, 5.3 catches per game, yards per catch, 10.7, three red zone targets, three end zone targets that either led or tied for the team lead.
Remember, in three games with Jameis last year.
Does that do anything for you when it comes to Michael Thomas?
I would say that if he goes out and has a good game this week,
I'd probably put more stock into it,
but I'd kind of want to see it play out.
It wouldn't mean anything for me this week.
But yeah, I mean, it's interesting because Olave because those were the first three games of Olave's career.
One more stat to give.
Last week when Jameis came in, Michael Thomas had 43.8%
of the target share from Jameis Winston.
Seven targets, six catches, 50 yards from Jameis.
It's interesting because he's the outside receiver now.
He's not the slot guy anymore, so maybe there is something there.
All right, it's worth looking into.
All right, let's go to the next game here.
New England is at Dallas, that of the game.
These are the two fastest-paced teams in the NFL.
They run plays faster than any other teams.
That is really interesting, New England and Dallas.
Sit Mac Jones, Ramondre
Stevenson or Alvin Kamara?
Kamara.
Okay. I'll wait for Jamie
to come back. Kamara.
Alright. You guys, it looks like you're
pretty different on Ramondre Stevenson, though, unless
these rankings are not updated on my end.
I got him 20th.
Oh, okay. You moved him down. So you're not that different.
Never mind.
I did want to read something from Andrew Callahan of the Boston Herald.
And this was on NBC Sports Boston.
And he said this about Ramondre Stevenson.
Last year, he's getting over two yards after contact.
You touch him, he's still falling forward.
This year, he's at 0.2 yards after contact.
By the way, that's not what True Media has.
True Media has 3.8 yards after contact last year,
1.8 this year.
So the numbers were different, but the point is the same.
Yards after contact, way down for Ramondre.
Callahan continued.
He said this.
I don't think that's going to hold up
over the course of the season,
but it's worth noting.
The Patriots did a strange thing with Stevenson this summer.
They let him sit out like four practices.
They said, go over there and run on the field.
I asked him at the beginning of camp, in the middle of camp, and at the end,
hey, have they told you why yet that you just get to go hang out at Camp Foxborough?
He said, no, you'd have to ask Bill.
He was genuine, so I don't know if he's playing catch-up,
but he's not breaking yards after contact like he did last year.
I just want to throw that out.
We'll see what happens. I just want to throw that out. We'll see what happens.
I just want to throw that out as maybe like Josh Jacobs,
you know, being rusty and just maybe not getting enough work in the preseason.
I don't know, but it's been ugly for Stevenson.
Could it be that or were they having him work on his conditioning?
Maybe he didn't come back in shape.
It seems as if they were treating him like a featured guy
and wanting to just make sure that he wasn't going to get hurt.
Could be that too.
I think the thing you got to be a little worried about is the offensive line has been struggling for the Patriots from a health standpoint.
They're getting healthier, at least it appears that way.
And at what point is, this is the flip side of it.
I know a lot of it was late in the game, but does Zeke looking better last week become a problem?
Now, again, it was garbage time against the Jets team that probably checked out.
This is an interesting week because he's facing his former team.
So how much are they, you know, going to let him maybe get some additional work?
It's not like they're in a situation where they can just do whatever they want to.
Clearly, Dallas is a much better team here.
So I would love to see a situation again, like we saw more in week one, where they're down, past attempts are up.
And we saw, you know saw everybody was getting targets.
We said this, look at the target share as opposed to the sheer volume of targets.
But six targets for that game, six targets for Stevenson in that week one game,
and that's something I think that can matter here in this game against Dallas
is his role in the pass game.
So I don't think you're benching him across the board,
but it's a tough start so far for Ramondre.
And we did say this, that the schedule was not going to be very favorable for the Patriots.
So just something to keep in mind.
And it's going to continue to be unfavorable too.
So if he has a good game this week,
maybe think about selling high on him.
Ramondre Stevenson or Nico Collins or Tank Dell?
I would probably still start Stevenson,
but it would not surprise me if those guys are better.
I think I'll roll the dice on the Texans receivers.
Ramondre Stevenson or
Devon Achan?
Stevenson.
I do have Stevenson ahead of Achan.
Tyler Lockett.
I'd start Lockett.
I would too.
Alright, you're not going to start anyone. Are we
starting Hunter Henry actually? I'm not going to start a Patriots wide
receiver I assume, but Hunter Henry?
I think it's the same thing about Goddard to a lesser degree if you picked up henry and he's
the only guy in your team like i wasn't dropping hunter henry to pick up luke musgrave forget
about the results i wasn't dropping him to pick up jake ferguson i'm not dropping him to pick up
um gerald everett you know so he had a bad game last week they did not have to throw very much
they're probably going to be chasing points i I know Dallas is certainly a much tougher team against tight ends,
or at least expected to be a tougher team against tight ends.
But I think you just bank on target volume mattering here
and him getting a chance to get the ball in his hands and hopefully score.
Why are you guys so low on Dak Prescott this week, basically around 20th?
Have you watched Dak play?
I think he's been off just kind of a weird start.
I don't hold the Giants game against him.
Scored 24, almost 24 points against the Jets,
and they were all terrible last week
through an interception near the end zone last week.
Yeah, I don't know.
The first problem is the offensive line.
He was missing three starters last week.
That was something that I certainly should have put more stock into.
The good news is this week,
it looks like at least two of those offensive linemen are coming back,
and it's the interior guys, Martin and Biedish.
And I think that that will help Dak feel more comfortable.
It's still a tough pass rush.
You know the Patriots are going to come after him.
I could see myself moving him up.
I'm not going to be able to move him into my top 15,
but he's an okay start.
That's as good as it gets because he is still making mistakes.
The Patriots did a good job against Jalen Hurts,
for what that's worth, in week one.
They've done a good job against everybody.
They've been great.
Technically, Tua, too.
They schemed against Tua,
so I don't know if that's necessarily doing a good job against them.
I don't think they're going to do the same thing against the Cowboys.
But, yeah, this is always going to be a tough matchup,
no matter what, when you have Belichick on the other side.
Plus, they're just completely stripped down from an injury standpoint.
Yes, the secondary is beat up,
but, I mean, the way Dak is playing, not overwhelming right now,
and this defense, I think it's worth staying away from him
if you can't like all the guys we've talked about gino's better dana jones better fields better
russell wilson better all these guys i would have said jordan love better i would have said
jared golf better as well you know so um i'm not gonna get cute and start jamis over him but i
think you know top 16 top 17 quarterback is where he is what about dac versus burrow if you knew the
offensive line was going to be healthy.
I would start Burrow.
Okay.
I'm going to have to make that decision.
Pollard, start.
Lamb, start.
Anyone else?
The Patriots have typically been good against tight ends,
so Ferguson's going to need to score.
So he's a borderline guy.
And I do think, forget about starting him this week, but if you do have an open roster spot,
maybe just see what Michael Gallup does again
because Brandon Cook's dealing with a knee injury.
They really like him.
So whatever we think of Michael Gallup is different from what the Cowboys
think of Michael Gallup.
And so what Dak Prescott thinks of Michael Gallup
because he got targets and opportunities last week.
So 14-team league, 16-team league, deep bench in a 12-team league.
You can't get your hands on Wanda Robinson.
Maybe pick up Michael Gallup.
Okay, Dallas DST is top six. Start
them. Washington's at Philadelphia. Stat
of the game. DeAndre Swift is tied
for the NFL lead with three
carries down to the one-yard line.
They all led to Jalen Hurts
rushing touchdowns. So he's
been so close to having even bigger
performances here.
How much do you like DeAndre Swift?
Do you like him better than Ramondre Stevenson, Dave Richard?
Oh, yes.
I like him better than almost every running back
we've talked about on the show today.
I'll take Conor ahead of him.
We talked about Conor.
The obvious guys, of course, like Kenneth Walker,
we mentioned him.
I'll take him over DeAndre Swift.
I'm toying with the idea of putting him ahead
of both Derrick Henry
and Kyron Williams and making him a top 10 running back this week.
Jamie might already have him there, but he's been so impressive.
And that offensive line is so strong that I can't help but think
that he's going to be good.
I just don't.
I don't even want to say what I was going to say.
Never mind.
Never mind.
We're just going to have good vibes with DeAndre Swift,
and he's going to be a must start every week.
He's been awesome.
It's just the frustrating part is the lack of touchdowns and the lack of work
in the passing game.
Right.
So he's got to get you 130 plus yards rushing.
You know, that's just where to, to make him a top 10 guy.
And so that's the annoying part about it.
So he's got the potential to do it.
And certainly the commanders are terrible as we've seen the last couple of
games, but no,
he's not a top 10 guy for me.
I would not start him over those guys.
I just,
again,
there's the,
the,
the,
it's like,
he's a,
he's a great trap back,
you know?
Yeah.
He's just,
he's just too good at it.
Yeah.
Where do you have him compared to Zach Moss?
Oh,
behind Moss.
I do too,
but I,
I,
I like him a lot.
I love what I'm seeing.
I've got him ahead of Kamara.
What do you guys think about the
Commanders wide receivers?
And Terry McLaurin seems like the tougher the matchup,
the better McLaurin gets.
And he was really good against the Eagles last year.
16.2 points.
Over 100 yards in each game.
28.8 points.
Yeah.
And he scored on Denver.
We thought he wouldn't do that.
Now, that wasn't against Sertan.
But do you have any interest in any commander?
No.
They just gave up nine sacks, and he threw four interceptions.
He's the first quarterback since 1985, I believe is the stat, to do that.
That was a Warren Moon game.
I know it was definitely Warren Moon.
I think it was 85. To have that bad of was a Warren Moon game. I know it was definitely Warren Moon. I think it was 85.
To have that bad of a performance.
And now he's got to take on this defensive line.
He's going to be running for his life.
So I don't want to trust McLaurin.
I don't want to trust Dotson.
Brian Robinson, I think you're going to have to get him in the end zone.
And that's going to be tough against his run defense.
So while the eagles past defenses
certainly struggled in two of the first three games they were very beat up in those two matchups
they got healthier last week and it showed and i think it's going to be tough for uh both commanders
receivers sam howell everything across the board with with washington i think you said it best if
you're hoping for sam howell to bounce back, you pick him up and use him in week five
against the Bears. But for week four, no, hands off. Okay. Robinson, look, we know the negative
game script's not good. So you try to get away from Brian Robinson. He doesn't play on passing
downs. And the Eagles run defense has been absolutely elite. Logan Thomas. Can you write
a note and send it to all of us, please? Because this is like the 75th year in a row that Ron Rivera says they're going to use a running back in the passing game.
It never happened.
Yes, absolutely.
Logan Thomas, certainly not saying to start him.
But just so you know, Sam Howell, there are 35 going into last night's game.
34 quarterbacks who qualified or passer rating qualified.
Sam Howell had the fifth lowest percentage of throws to wide receivers, but the third
highest percentage of throws to tight ends.
So it's just something to keep in mind for the future.
It's a carryover from what Bien-Ami
saw in Kansas City.
And unfortunately, it's impacting Dotson.
Dotson has two fourth quarter
targets this year.
Wow. Okay, start
the Eagles passing game.
It is what it is. I don't get it. And Goddard, you know, if you Hunter Henry or Goddard, who you guys have higher? Henry and PPR. Goddard. Hold on. I might. Stat of the game. Both Debo Samuel and Brandon Ayuk have bad history against the Cardinals.
And George Kittle has amazing history against the Cardinals.
How much of that matters if they all play?
I understand if Debo's out, you start Kittle and Ayuk.
I don't even think about it.
How much of that matters, though, if they all play?
You got to wonder if the lack of practice time for both guys will just help George Kittle
because that's where Purdy has been looking in his practice reps. So not that he's not familiar
with all these guys and the system's not going to put these guys in place, but you know, okay,
hey, we have a play play X is now thrown into the, you know, the script because Iuke's not there or
Debo's not there. So I'm going to start Kittle no matter what.
I'm going to play him in DFS because he's still relatively cheap by comparison to the elite tight ends. And like you said, the history's definitely been there. So I'm going to trust
him this week for sure. And then it's just a matter of if one of the other two guys is out,
it's easy to start the one that's healthy. If they're both playing, I still give the nod to
Debo. So the defense and I think how they're going to operate,
man versus zone, is going to matter for Ayuk more times than not.
For Purdy, he had a under 200-yard passing game last year
against the Cardinals in his lone meeting, but threw three touchdowns.
So that's the type, I think, of game you're looking for for him.
And it should be a huge Christian McCaffrey.
Guess who's bottom six in tight end targets per game yards per catch to tight ends and missed tackles against tight
ends this year the and one of the xfl teams the green bay packers no it's the cardinals
great matchup for kittle no matter what you'd obviously preferred if one of the receivers
do not play does not play uh. My mom was an English teacher.
James Conner, James Conner, and another is a start.
Marquise Brown, starter set.
I would try to get away from him, but gross flex.
So do you feel like we need to put the 49ers wide receivers in context here,
where to rank them if they both play, if Debo's out, et cetera?
I think people know. You're starting Debo.
You could start her in three or three
leagues no matter what.
Does this matter at all
that once again the Cardinals are
somehow being really
good against number one receivers?
It's the Commanders guys and then it was
CeeDee Lamb. I don't know if that's anything.
It's
probably just a coincidence.
This hasn't been a great receiver matchup necessarily.
It's the giants do in week two.
Yeah.
I mean,
Hyatt had at 90 yards and, and what's his name?
Hodgins had a touchdown.
Um,
yeah.
And I,
I guess maybe that does matter to a degree.
I don't even think it does.
I don't think it does.
No, it's probably more of a by-product of playing zone and having the maybe that does matter to a degree. I don't even think it does. I don't think it does.
No,
it's probably more of a byproduct of playing zone and having the safeties kind of over the top of the number one receiver.
To me,
really,
it's just,
it's just CD lamb.
Right.
So,
uh,
Brock Purdy,
by the way,
we've talked about a lot of quarterbacks,
Gino Jones,
Burrow,
uh,
Wilson fields.
Where's Purdy
ahead of Burrow, ahead of Prescott, ahead of Watson for me.
He's behind Watson and Burrow for me.
So you guys are going to tell me I should start Wilson over Purdy, right?
I would.
There's more upside for Wilson.
There's a safer floor for Purdy.
Okay.
Wilson's floor has been like 18 points.
He had a 16-point game indy. Okay. Wilson's floor has been like 18 points. He had a 16 point game in there. Okay. So that's a
few points worse than what Brock Purdy's floor
is. I would take the chance on Ross. All right.
We'll go for the upside. I mean, Purdy scored about
25 points last week and it was the second best
game of his regular season career
for fantasy. Okay.
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