Fantasy Football Today - Start or Sit (NFC): Gibson? Zeke? Backup WRs? (09/30 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: September 30, 2022

Is Tee Higgins better than Ja'Marr Chase? Is Joe Mixon really this bad??? What's next for the Dolphins offense if Tua misses time? We begin the show with a recap of Dolphins-Bengals which has Jamey al...l fired up about play calling! ... News and notes (14:55), Beat the Waiver Wire (22:00) and One Question for Each Game (25:10)! How are we approaching the Bucs wide receivers? Do we like Tyler Lockett and/or D.K. Metcalf? How about Matthew Stafford and CEH in tough matchups? ... Start or Sit for Vikings-Saints (34:23), Seahawks-Lions (41:00), Rams-49ers (50:00), Chiefs-Bucs (56:55), Commanders-Cowboys (1:04:00), Cardinals-Panthers (1:13:00) and Bears-Giants (1:17:15) ... Email us at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @ctowerscbs Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Get 20% off Fantasy Football Today merch: https://store.cbssports.com/collections/fantasy-football-today%20?utm_source=podcast-apple-com&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=buy-our-merch&utm_content=fantasy-football-collection Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:43 Let's get our Friday on. Do people say that? They should. Let's get our Friday on. Do people say that? They should. Let's get it going, Dave. No, nobody's interested? Let's get our Friday on? All right, well, I'll get my Friday on. Happy Friday, everybody.
Starting point is 00:01:55 Welcome to the show. Starter set for the NFC home games. We have seven games to get to today. And some exciting ones, like Kansas City at Tampa Bay. We got the London game, Minnesota at New Orleans, Seattle at Detroit. Rams at 49ers. The Rams are 1-6 in their last seven games against the Niners. They are averaging something like 18 points per game in those seven games.
Starting point is 00:02:16 Washington's at Dallas. Arizona's at Carolina. And I believe there is a game being played in New Jersey, but nobody cares about that game. But it's the Bears and the Giants. All right, Dave and Jamie are here. I'm Adam. Welcome, everybody. We're going to talk about the Dolphins and the Bengals.
Starting point is 00:02:32 And there's a lot to get to here, especially the Tua injury. And Teddy Bridgewater came in, did a nice job. But how about this, Jamie Eisenberg? Over the last three weeks, remember T. Higgins got hurt in week one, but over the last three weeks, Higgins and Chase have basically the same amount of targets, 25 for Chase, T. Higgins got hurt in week one, but over the last three weeks, Higgins and Chase have basically
Starting point is 00:02:45 the same amount of targets. 25 for Chase, 26 for Higgins. 288 yards, two touchdowns for Higgins. 164 yards, one touchdown for Chase. I don't want to do the math, but that's over 100 more yards and an extra touchdown for T. Higgins. Who's the better wide receiver going
Starting point is 00:03:02 forward? By low on Jamar Chase, I guess. You know, there'll be a market correction coming. But these two guys were great last year. I mean, you know, people forget how good they were because Chase had those two unbelievably monstrous performances at the end of the season. But for the most part, in terms of their targets,
Starting point is 00:03:19 take away those two games, the other games they were basically neck and neck to begin with, the higher ceiling is Jamar Chase. But they both have the same type of floor. And so they're unbelievable talents. And they've told us they don't have a one and a two. They have a one and a one A. And so the T. Higgins fantasy managers that got discount Jamar Chase in the third round are pretty excited right now. The Jamar Chase fantasy managers are obviously a little frustrated.
Starting point is 00:03:44 But again, buy low on Jefferson, buy low on Chase. These guys are too good to be held down. Dave, buy or sell? Joe Mixon is the worst running back in football. And parentheses history? Question mark, close parentheses.
Starting point is 00:03:59 Well, who would buy that? Of course not. I don't think he's the biggest sell-high candidate in his own division. that. Of course not. No, but it's crazy. I don't think he's the biggest sell-high candidate in his own division. I know it looked bad, but I think a lot of it's on the offensive line. Some of it's on Mixon.
Starting point is 00:04:14 It's on Zach Taylor. What do you mean it's on Zach Taylor? That play calling was so bad last night. It was one of the most atrocious play calling I've ever seen for the talented players of the day. Well, so when I hear that, what I'm thinking back to is just the number of inside runs that they tried and how they just kept plowing mixing
Starting point is 00:04:36 between the tackles. I don't have the exact number of how many, but it felt like all but me. It was a billion. It felt like it was close to a billion. Yeah, maybe half a billion. But outside of a billion. It was close to a billion, yeah. Okay, maybe half a billion. But outside of that, you had a problem with his play calling? Yes, it was terrible.
Starting point is 00:04:52 The first drive was awesome. They were aggressive. They were throwing the ball down the field. They were creative. And then it was, let's throw, let's run. Let's throw, let's run. They get in. Joe Burrow gets in.
Starting point is 00:05:01 He looked so frustrated half the night last night. He'd make a beautiful throw. Then they'd run. They'd get a yard or two. He's throwing his hands up you know you could you could translate that to be he's frustrated that the play didn't work so you know understandably so you don't want to you know read into body language but you gotta let a player like him get into rhythm you gotta let these receivers get into rhythm and then they get down in the goal line thank god you know it was it was a garbage time touchdown but thank god he got that second touchdown because otherwise he would have been really pissed off with how the night went for
Starting point is 00:05:27 him and so i i just don't understand why these coaches and there's a lot of stupid ones uh that they get into these patterns these play callers of we have to establish the run throw to score run to win you could have been running in the fourth quarter that would have been fine you ran into the middle of the line on the goal line 55 times. Throw a fade to Jamar Chase. Do something different. It was just so stupid and maddening. I hate it. Wow.
Starting point is 00:05:52 Hold on. Mixon doesn't have a game this year with more than three yards per carry. You got to sell high on him. He's an absolute sell-high candidate. I think he could. But he's getting so many carries and so many... And he's getting so many carries. And so many. And he's, what, four catches a game at least?
Starting point is 00:06:10 7-3-3 and four catches. He's so inefficient, though. So inefficient. I know, but the thing is, I mean, he's comically inefficient right now. I mean, nobody's going to average 2.7 yards per carry. You know, so is he sell high? Or is he just one of the, there aren't that many good running just one of the there aren't that many good running backs right there aren't that many great running backs aren't that many guys where you just set it and
Starting point is 00:06:30 forget the only reason the only way you're selling high on him is clearly if you have a good running back you know depth charter or you know i'll say room as the nfl guy uh if you have a good running back running back definitely team so you know you got to turn him into still something great which is hard to do because i don't know how many people are going to say, OK, I'll give you Jamar Chase for Joe Mixon. So, you know, it obviously comes with some context. But if you can flip him based on name and the fact that he's still been productive as a fantasy option because he's scoring touchdowns, now would be the time to try and do that. Now, clearly, there's the other side of this where because he's been, as you said, comically inefficient, that maybe some things sort of correct themselves and he starts to play a little bit better. But again, I don't know if that's on him, if that's on Taylor.
Starting point is 00:07:08 He looks slow. He looked slow last night, you know, and you can say the ankle was a problem. But for what he's supposed to be, he just hasn't been that yet. Even though he's been getting the workload that we like. It's the inefficiency. But I think the offensive line's a bigger problem. Like, he doesn't look as fast as he once did, but i still think he'd be able to put up better numbers
Starting point is 00:07:29 that the line could block for him yeah they were terrible now on those goal line runs like oh yeah that was fun but the other ones that he had there were three of them it's just bad blocking yeah there was one at toward the end of the game where he got outside and he got tackled and it's just like, man, make someone miss. Make someone miss. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Are you talking about not near the goal line, but just in general? Yeah, just in general toward the middle of the field. I remember that play.
Starting point is 00:07:55 But at the same time, all right, I guess here's a better question. If you're going to draft again today, when would you draft Joe Mixon? He's still going to go in round two. Right. You just can't. You cannot turn down this workload. And if they're offensive line... Their pass protection was much better yesterday. Joe Burrow called it out.
Starting point is 00:08:14 Maybe they can get better. Maybe they can get better. They're still gelling. Alright. On the Dolphins' side, I mean, this is obviously... Anything on Hayden Hurst? Hayden Hurst with – Yeah, he scored a touchdown. Yeah, 30% roster.
Starting point is 00:08:30 I count on that all the time. All right. And Boyd has touchdowns in two of four games. So throw – he didn't score this week, but you've got to put him in that flex conversation. He almost got in on the long play, and they had an end zone target for him on the first touchdown for Mixon, and Burrow had just a bad throw. So he's – I said it going into the season.
Starting point is 00:08:53 He's a number three receiver on his own team that could be a third receiver in deeper leagues to start on a weekly basis, and he is an injury away from being a must-start player. So he should be 100% rostered. And if – let's just say that Mixon never does improve and the offensive run blocking doesn't improve, this team's going to become pass-heavy. Eh, not with that coach.
Starting point is 00:09:13 He might not have a choice, dude. Eh, he had 20 choices last night and he didn't decide to use it. He just, that's his nature. To be fair to him, if your offensive line is really struggling to protect the quarterback, you have to establish a run game.
Starting point is 00:09:25 They didn't struggle last week, and they didn't struggle last night, and you could have had many more opportunities to throw the football. First off, Xavier Howard, whether he was playing hurt or just struggling, he looked bad last night, and they left the game with injury. Their secondary is not good for Miami. And their run defense is.
Starting point is 00:09:42 This was an opportunity to throw and throw and throw and get. I thought when I saw that first quarter, I was like, okay, good. First off, they did something, which is another, in my mind, stupid decision. It worked for them last week. It obviously worked for them again, so they'll probably continue to do it. They won the toss, and they don't defer. They take the ball.
Starting point is 00:10:01 And so Zach Taylor talked about this, that he wants to be aggressive and show this mindset that we're going to be aggressive. Well, you can't be aggressive for five minutes, be aggressive for the entire game. Like, you know,
Starting point is 00:10:09 don't take your foot off the gas. He keeps talking about that. Like we want to be at this aggressive team. Then be aggressive. The best part of your team, as good as Joe makes it is the best part of your team is Joe Burrow and those receivers throw the football. Okay.
Starting point is 00:10:19 So let's, let's wrap it up here to talk briefly about the dolphins going forward with, um, with Teddy Bridgewater. I'll save that for last, and I'll just ask you real quick, Dave. Is Raheem Mostert the running back to have for the Dolphins? He had 15 carries compared to five for Chase. Chase did score.
Starting point is 00:10:35 He actually could have had two. He dropped a touchdown, and then he caught a touchdown. But Mostert's only 67% rostered. Do you think he's the best running back going forward for the Dolphins? I'll say that he is in non-PPRr and it's pretty close in full ppr but neither one is going to be somebody that you're going to be excited to start uh most are played 73 percent of the snaps that's the most for any dolphins running back this year and edmunds obviously played 27 percent the smallest for any dolphins running back this year i don't know if that drop is going to cost him more playing time, but obviously not in the red zone because he had that short touchdown jaunt.
Starting point is 00:11:11 But Mozart's playing more on third and fourth downs. He's doing a lot of the things that we thought Edmonds would be doing, and he's running a little bit better. I guess to answer your question, yeah, but I'm not excited about it. The irony of Chase Edmonds is that he lost every touchdown to James Conner last year, and now all he's doing is scoring touchdowns. Stealing touchdowns from Mostert. Let me give you some encouraging stuff on Bridgewater
Starting point is 00:11:34 because we don't know how long Tua is going to be out. He suffered a concussion, and they said nothing more serious than that. Guys are clearing concussion protocols pretty quickly. I'm not going to get into the whole situation with Tua and what happened last week and what happened yesterday. This guy's really been so beat up in his career going back to that major, major injury he suffered in college.
Starting point is 00:11:54 So, hope for the best for him and obviously scary to see when you see the physical reaction to the injury like that. But, Bridgewater came in and did a nice job and he has averaged I'm going to give you the last three seasons. He made five starts for New Orleans and he averaged 241 yards per game. In 2020, he averaged 249 yards per game with Carolina. And he produced 2000 yard receivers,
Starting point is 00:12:19 by the way, DJ Moore, almost 1200 yards, Robbie Anderson, just under 1100 yards. We'll be begging for Teddy. Yeah, I yards. Robbie Anderson, just under 1,100 yards. DJ Moore would be begging for Teddy Bridget. Yeah, I know. Send him back to Carolina. And then in 2021, he averaged 241 yards per game. So that's 241 to 249 yards per game passing when he started. By the way, in 2021, I took out two games that he left with an injury, okay? So, yes, I just looked at his healthy starts,
Starting point is 00:12:41 and I think you have to do that. It's unfair to do otherwise. Way to drop. Come on. I need a second. That's just an Acer. Always crazy, but always fact. That's right.
Starting point is 00:12:54 That's just an Acer stat. My point is you could do a lot worse than Teddy Bridgewater, around 245-ish yards per game, when he's been healthy, when he has started for three different teams over the last three seasons. So, I mean, is there anything to say here, Jamie? We don't even know how long Tua will be out. Do you think it's a major step back for the offense if it's Bridgewater? I don't think it's a major step back. I mean, you know, look, Tua had a great game against the Ravens. I don't think Teddy has that in his bag, the ability to do that. But can he get you 250-2 or 225-2?
Starting point is 00:13:29 Yes. Can he certainly keep Tyreek Hill afloat? We saw that last night, yes. I think the Jalen Waddle stat line was probably just a byproduct of how the game went. So I wouldn't necessarily panic on him. So yeah, if two was out for a couple of weeks potentially, I think Teddy will be fine for the receiver. So you downgrade them from, you know, probably two top 10 guys to maybe two top 20 guys.
Starting point is 00:13:49 You know, Tyreek's still in the top 12 and, you know, a lot of closer to maybe 15. They'll still be very productive. So I'm not worried about them. And I think the interception, by the way, was was more on Gusecki than it was on on Teddy based on the body language of of of him. He ran the wrong route. Right. Yeah, probably. I mean, you know, it's hard to say that's definitely the situation, but those things tend to happen when you have a new quarterback.
Starting point is 00:14:12 Like, Toronto Armstead had a false start penalty. Like, you can see, like, he just probably wasn't used to the cadence. So those are the byproducts of a backup coming in. But they have extra time now to get, you know, Teddy ready and up to par for where they want with this offense. And I thought he did some nice things. He's certainly capable of maintaining whatever the Dolphins' offense is right now in the interim
Starting point is 00:14:31 until Tua's back. Okay. He's going to be added, obviously, in super flex and two QBs. Teddy kind of has the reputation of being a dinker and a dunker. The deep ball that he connected with to Tyreek on. 61 yards in the air.
Starting point is 00:14:47 The longest throw so far this year. Yeah, it's... And, yeah, he's going to throw a better deep ball than Tua, but... I mean... He doesn't throw with as much velocity. You know, his ass is hanging in the air a little bit. That play was good.
Starting point is 00:15:02 Oh, there's a lot of helium bloom, yeah. Yeah, so, like, that's what... You'll notice it, like, you saw it last night. His ass is hanging in the air a little bit. That play was good. There's a lot of helium bloom. Yeah. So that's what... You'll notice it. You saw it last night. Tuan throws, let's call it, inside of 30 yards. He was money. I don't know if you can say the same thing. How about that one deep ball?
Starting point is 00:15:15 Bridgewater. I mean, that deep ball he threw to Tyree Kill. Terribly underthrown and intercepted. Yeah. Well, that was longer than 30 yards. Yeah. Well, I guess it depends on how we're defining it. All right.
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Starting point is 00:16:21 So Dave, how big of a downgrade would it be? And Michael Thomas mispracticed by the way, too. How big of a downgrade would it be? And Michael Thomas mispractice, by the way, too. How big of a downgrade would it be to go from Winston to Andy Dalton? It'll be, it'll be a downgrade in the sense that Chris Olave probably won't have as many good deep ball opportunities as he's had the past two weeks, but I think otherwise it's going to be okay. He's he's, it's kind of like going from two to from Tua to Teddy in a way, because I don't think Dalton throws with the same type of velocity
Starting point is 00:16:48 that Jameis throws with. And so that'll be kind of a problem, but he can be accurate and he can manage a game plan, and I'm sure the Saints will scheme it up. Should be better for Kamara. That's what I'm hoping for, is that if Dalton's in there, Kamara gets more targets and does more with them. Andy Dalton in his last two seasons in Dallas and Chicago, and you can say he didn't have great's in there, Kamara gets more targets and does more with them. Andy Dalton in his last two seasons in Dallas and Chicago, and you can
Starting point is 00:17:08 say he didn't have great weapons in Chicago, but he did in Dallas. He averaged 6.5 and 6.4 yards per attempt, which is not good. Jameis is currently averaging 7.5 yards per attempt. Jameis averaged 7.3 yards per attempt last season.
Starting point is 00:17:24 His career average is 7.7. So, I mean, I think it's based on the numbers, at least you might not have as many interceptions, but a pretty big downgrade in terms of passing yards, I would expect from Winston to Dalton. You're talking about a yard per attempt worse over the last two years. Uh, you know, it's not apples to apples. I get that, but no. And his ADOT was way lower in Chicago. The first thing you think about from last year was how he just targeted Darnell Mooney like crazy. He was the reason why Mooney was a usable fantasy receiver, but the ADOT from Dalton was just so low last year. He goes from Mooney and Komet to Thomas, Olave, and Landry.
Starting point is 00:18:00 It's a huge difference. No, but two years ago, it was Lamb, Cooper,, Gallup and he was still 6.4 yards per cast. Yeah, I mean, look, he's not going to be great. There's a reason why he's been a backup now for several seasons because nobody wants to trust him as a starter. But hopefully he maximizes the potential of these guys and just the offense is going to change.
Starting point is 00:18:18 It's not going to be a lot of downfield throws. So it should be a boost, as Dave said, for Kamara. It should potentially be a boost for Michael Thomas and Jarvis Landry. It's going to be a downgrade for Olave. But the thing for Olave for this week, at least, is that if there's no Michael Thomas, then he should continue to be a target hog. So whether it's 13 targets that he's producing 150 yards,
Starting point is 00:18:34 or he's getting 13 targets and he's getting 95 yards. So he'll still be relevant if Thomas isn't there. If Thomas is there, then you've got to be a little concerned about Olave, but still a number three receiver. A lot of the injuries we're talking about happen to be NFC home games that we'll be discussing later today, but we're definitely keeping an eye on a couple of running backs here. Christian
Starting point is 00:18:52 McCaffrey may not play this week. They're facing Arizona, a tremendous matchup. And Jameis Winston and Michael Thomas, not at practice today. Not at practice. Wonderful. That's sarcasm. I have Michael Thomas on 150 at practice today. Not at practice. Wonderful. That is sarcasm. I have Michael Thomas on 150% of my teams.
Starting point is 00:19:10 That sucks. Anyway, McCaffrey. All right, pick a handcuff real quick. Pick a running back real quick on Carolina. Who do you like? I'll say Hubbard. I thought he looked better in the preseason. He won't score as many touchdowns, but I bet he gets more touches.
Starting point is 00:19:27 It is going to be a miserable split where Foreman is probably going to lead them in carries and Hubbard will probably play more in passing downs. I would lean Foreman just for the touchdown potential, but it's not anything that you want. It's like the Ravens without J.K. Dobbins. That's the type of team it's going to be, you know,
Starting point is 00:19:45 just misery. Or the Ravens with JK Dobbins last week. Yeah, true. Cordero Patterson also mispracticed. So we would prefer Tyler Algier over both of the Carolina guys. If, uh,
Starting point is 00:19:55 both McCaffrey and Patterson are out. With, with McCaffrey got the NFL network report that he should play. So at least that's the hope is that, you know, McCaffrey will be fine. And, uh, the Falcons team site is just reporting
Starting point is 00:20:08 that Patterson was resting. So as long as both guys get in some semblance of practice on Friday, you should be fine. Dalvin Cook expected to play. They're in London facing the Saints.
Starting point is 00:20:17 Alvin Kamara's court hearing has been delayed until November 9th, making it even less likely that he gets suspended this year. Tampa Bay says they want to get Rashad White more involved. Big game against the Chiefs this week.
Starting point is 00:20:28 DeAndre Swift, missed practice, no surprise. And David Montgomery, missed practice, no surprise. And Jamal Williams and Khalil Herbert are two must-start guys this week. A wide receiver, Gabe Davis, missed practice. And Amonra St. Brown, missed practice. And Keenan Allen left practice with a trainer. So at this point, guys, are you ranking Gabe Davis, Amonra St. Brown missed practice, and Keenan Allen left practice with a trainer. So at this point, guys, are you ranking Gabe Davis,
Starting point is 00:20:48 Amonra St. Brown, or Keenan Allen? I had to move St. Brown down before the Thursday game so that everybody that was worth a darn in the game was ranked ahead of him. You got to be prepared for him to not play. And I'm not sure if I feel the same way about Davis, because did he miss a day of practice last week? Yeah. I don't believe he missed last week. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:21:10 Go ahead. He definitely missed the week before. Right. We'll see what happens, but I would not feel optimistic about St. Brown or Allen. Yeah, you don't want to see Keenan Allen leaving practice. We don't know the details. No, the fact that they listed him as limited, though, because I think he left
Starting point is 00:21:26 before practice started. No, I'm not sure. McCaffrey is at practice, according to Darren Gant, who's with the Panthers. There you go. Okay, great. Chris Godwin was rested. I think we still have to consider him up in the air for this week.
Starting point is 00:21:40 And Julio Jones was limited. It's hard to do start or sit for that game when we don't know who's going to play, but we'll try. No. Rondell Moore was limited in practice. But Bols was optimistic on Julio Jones was limited. It's hard to do start or sit for that game when we don't know who's going to play. But we'll try. No. Rondell Moore was limited in practice. But Bolz was optimistic on Julio earlier this week. Earlier this week, yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:51 Even last week. Rondell Moore was limited in practice. Alan Lazard was limited. Christian Watson practiced in full. I would assume they're both going to play, Lazard and Watson. I think you should expect that. Yep. Does that mean Romeo Dobbs is, well, you guys don't even have him as a starter anyway. More of a number four guy, I think you should expect that. Yep. Does that mean Romeo Dobbs is...
Starting point is 00:22:05 Well, you guys don't even have him as a starter anyway. More of a number four guy, I think, right? Flexed, right. All right. Jarvis Landry limited. That was yesterday. Actually, we just got the update. Michael Thomas not practicing.
Starting point is 00:22:15 So I think Landry should play. Probably not on Thomas. As of now. As of now. And Jacoby Myers was limited. Zay Jones mispracticed with an ankle injury. We're going to have to keep an eye limited. Zay Jones mispracticed with an ankle injury. We're going to have to keep an eye on that. MVS mispracticed with an abdomen injury.
Starting point is 00:22:29 Mecole Hardman was limited at practice. Hunter Renfro still out. And Kadarius Toney and Wandale Robinson were out. Looks like David Njoku is fine. Dalton Schultz practiced in full. TJ Hawkinson was back at practice yesterday. The Ravens might get left tackle Ronnie Stanley back this week. On defense, Miles Garrett has a chance to play.
Starting point is 00:22:48 I have not seen an update on Jadeveon Clowney. Have you guys? I have not. Yeah, it looks like you did not see anything. That'll do it, I guess. I gave you some injury updates yesterday on defense. We're going to keep an eye on Jair Alexander, Jordan Poyer, safety for the Bills, J.C. Jackson, cornerback for the Chargers,
Starting point is 00:23:13 and we will see. Denzel Ward, cornerback for the Cleveland Browns. We heard he has a good chance to play earlier. All right, it's time for Beat the Waver Wire. A lot of bad defenses with good matchups next week. I'm not sure if you want to trust them, but maybe Jacksonville. They might not be that bad on defense and they get Houston next week,
Starting point is 00:23:29 but Minnesota has the Bears. Detroit has the Patriots, but those defenses have been bad. The Chargers get Cleveland. The Chargers have been terrible two straight weeks. The Saints. And now they don't have Bosa for a while. Right. Do you guys because I don't do this because of how I build my team,
Starting point is 00:23:47 do you guys actually carry two defenses on any of your teams? I think I do on two of my 17 teams. And one of them is the 22-team office league where DSTs are pretty valuable. At the moment, no. There are times when I am looking at my roster on a Saturday or a Sunday and I have a dead roster spot and I'll pick up a DST for next week. But very rarely. Yeah, we tell people this every week and I just wonder how many people actually put into practice.
Starting point is 00:24:16 It's not to be critical. I'm just curious. Every now and then it helps. But I've been getting questions about is this guy droppable? Is that guy droppable? One of these DSTs is out there and the DST you currently have has a tough matchup next week
Starting point is 00:24:30 then you could pick up the second DST and drop the droppable guy if you don't want to pick up a DST by the way I like the Saints next week against Seattle if you don't want to pick up a DST maybe you want a quarterback how about Jameis Winston if he's back against Seattle
Starting point is 00:24:46 or Ryan Tannehill at Washington? Or Dalton. Yeah. I don't know if you want to pick up Dalton. See how he plays this week. You can always pick him up. See how he plays. You're not going to start him.
Starting point is 00:24:58 If he's absolutely dreadful, then you cut him on Tuesday or Wednesday. I mean, Dalton, if he plays well, he could be the starter the rest of the way. And Ryan Tannehill at Washington. They are one of the worst defenses in football right now. I put any handcuff running back on beat the waiver wire. And then guys, I have a big list here
Starting point is 00:25:16 of probably 20 wide receivers who are available in anywhere from six to 67% of leagues. Dave, can I pick my favorite... Can I pick my favorite? Can I pick my favorite? Pick like three that you'd be looking to add right now. Okay. Lay them out.
Starting point is 00:25:31 Oh, I'm not going to read all of them, but... All right, in the shallow section... Wow, we're only 25 minutes in. We haven't done one game yet. In the shallow section, Woods, Burks, Mooney, Gallup, Pickens. Burks. Burks and Pickens. Gallks. Burks and Gallup.
Starting point is 00:25:45 Gallup. Burks and Gallup. Easy. In the medium section, Zay Jones, Josh Palmer, Greg Dorch, Kadarius, Tony, Jamison Williams. Williams if you have the... No, I disagree.
Starting point is 00:26:01 I like Williams if you've got the IR spot and then put him in the IR spot and then go get Zay Jones. Yeah, I assume these people don't have one. He's had cadaries, Tony. If he becomes what he could become, he could be a league winner. Yes, or he could be what he has been,
Starting point is 00:26:14 which is a guy that is hurt all the time in the coaching team. And then you cut him. Rondo Moore is available. I cut him when you get somebody else. Go ahead. Christian Watson's available. That's fine.
Starting point is 00:26:23 Van Jefferson's available. Dave Likes him. He's 6% owed. All right, one Van Jefferson's available. Dave Likes him. He's 6% owed. Alright, one question for each game. Minnesota at New Orleans. Quick take on the Saints wide receivers, Jamie. Playing on Michael Thomas, not playing. Playing on Chris
Starting point is 00:26:36 Valave being a low-end number two guy without Thomas there. Playing on Landry being a good sleeper for this week with Andy Dalton starting. Yeah, seriously. I mean, if you have a Monterey St. Brown, if you have a Keenan Allen or something, you need to pivotton starting. Yeah, seriously. I mean, if you have Amandra St. Brown, if you have Keenan Allen or something, you need to pivot to somebody. Actually, if Keenan Allen doesn't play,
Starting point is 00:26:49 pivot to Josh Palmer. But Jarvis Landry should not be overlooked. Seattle at Detroit, Tyler Lockett or DK Metcalf, Dave? I like Lockett a little bit more. I love the targets that he's been getting the past couple of weeks. You know what's going to happen to DK Metcalf? He's going to get Okuda?
Starting point is 00:27:07 He's going to get Okuda'd! Did you see what he said? Barra Okuda. What? Who? Metcalf? They asked him about Okuda and he said,
Starting point is 00:27:16 he's getting help over top, so he's doing a nice job. Both are true, I think. At least last week. All right. Los Angeles Rams and San Francisco 49ers Matthew Stafford 62nd rankings dispute Dave I believe you like Stafford you have him 12
Starting point is 00:27:33 I got him ranked top 12 but it's kind of by default because I don't like a lot of quarterbacks this week and I am nervous about what the upside is with him because I do believe that the one part of the 49ers that's still really good is their defensive line but I I also think the Rams can work around that. And I would expect, I don't think the Rams are going to become run heavy. All of a sudden they're going to lean on Stafford, which means they're going to lean on cup. And I think he's got a good chance to get you around
Starting point is 00:27:57 22 fantasy points. Not excited about him, but I do have him top 12. Okay. And Jamie, you have an 18th Stafford. Yeah, I probably have him too low, but I will take the under on 20 fantasy points. He's only been over 20 once so far in three games. This 49ers defense, I think, is going to be a problem for this Rams offensive line. I think they'll make Stafford uncomfortable, and I don't think he's going to have a big game.
Starting point is 00:28:20 I think he'll be okay. He still needs some help. I mean, look, Robinson's been disappointing. Higby's yet to find the end zone. So, you know, you find a way to take away Cooper Cup in any capacity, and for what it's worth, I know he had the drop in the end zone, but the Cardinals limited Cooper Cup.
Starting point is 00:28:34 Once again, which is a good call by you, Adam, in terms of what they do against number one receivers. DJ Moore. I think Stafford is going to underperform. He had 11 fancy points in San Francisco last year, so could have that again. So then, who are you starting ahead of him if you've got him 18th? Oh, I would start Lawrence over him. I would start Mariota over him.
Starting point is 00:28:50 I would start Derek Goff over him, assuming what the receiving core looks like there. So like I said, I have him a little bit too low, but he'll be in the 15 range. He won't be a top 12 guy. I'd start Brady and Wilson over him. And I'm kind of there with Wilson, too.
Starting point is 00:29:05 It's close between them. Right now, I've got Stafford a spot ahead. Kansas City at Tampa Bay. Which wide receivers are you starting, Dave? I'm starting Mike Evans. Feeling great about it. I am starting Juju with expectations of what he did in weeks one and three. This is his own defense.
Starting point is 00:29:22 So I do think that he can come through for decent volume there. And that's really about it. Even if Godwin plays, I'll be nervous to use him because it's his first game back. If he doesn't play, then Gage and Julio, they're in play as low-end flexes in PPR.
Starting point is 00:29:37 Okay. Washington at Dallas. Who's the best running back in this game, Jamie? Both Cowboys guys over Gibson. Okay, you like Pollard better, right? No, I like Zeke better, slightly. Zeke, Pollard, Gibson.
Starting point is 00:29:54 I have no faith in Antonio Gibson this week. He has become way too touchdown dependent. His role in the passing game has been minimalized by JD McKissick, and this offensive line is an absolute travesty. And so, uh, sit Gibson.
Starting point is 00:30:07 If you can flex the best Arizona high to begin the week. I, I, I did like his chain. Look, he is scoring. So take that for what it's
Starting point is 00:30:15 worth. And I think they'll realize that they can't run it well with him. Maybe they give them some more targets again this week. So I kind of liked him to start out. Okay. Uh, Adam, him to start out. Okay.
Starting point is 00:30:25 Adam, I have a question. Okay. Instead of paying attention to us, why are you texting about a wedding? Who's getting married, Adam? My wife's friend. I've got a group text with Nando and one other guy, and Nando's blowing up my phone. I said, I'm podcasting right now.
Starting point is 00:30:44 Am I allowed to say that? I'm paying attention. I'm trying to shut him up. Or you could be a professional. Nando wants to know why you ended your friendship with him. Many reasons. All right. I love that.
Starting point is 00:30:56 Nando's been off our show for like eight years and he's still derailing the podcast. A true pro, Adam, would leave his phone away from the podcast. Why? Our producer already texted me with a note. I need my phone. What was the note? It was about Tua. All right, Arizona, Carolina, do James Conner and or DJ Moore get going this week? Conner does for sure.
Starting point is 00:31:23 Yeah, i hope so why so confident jamie uh well i mean clean very good in the work um it's uh you know i think you just look at this offense right now it's a little broken and you know they they haven't had the opportunity i think to establish the run game because of how things have gone for them in terms of game flow so i think they'll try and get Conner going early. I think he'll score. He's not going to have a great game, but I think he'll be five catches again like he was in week one. I think he'll
Starting point is 00:31:52 have probably 80 total yards in the touchdown. So not a monster game for James Conner, but certainly serviceable enough to be borderline number one guy top 15 running back this week. I'm sorry, I can't support DJ Moore this week. He had a terrible game against them last year. They continue to take away number one wide receivers.
Starting point is 00:32:07 Cupps should have had like 80 yards and a touchdown, but he still wouldn't have had a typical Cooper Cupp game. This is what Arizona does if they treat DJ Moore that way. Do you guys have him as a top 30 wide receiver, DJ Moore? No. I'm looking. I got him 40th. He's in the mid-30s for me. I don't know if you saw the clip of him yesterday
Starting point is 00:32:32 that's been making the rounds. He was asked. It was a little bit of a contentious interview. He handled himself well. But apparently, Matt Rule said that the receivers have to help the quarterback. And he was basically trying to say like, you know, in a nice way
Starting point is 00:32:48 I'm open. I hate their play calling. I think McAdoo is doing a horrible job and Matt Rule is not helping him. Like when you have a player like this and you even go back to the game last night, the Dolphins manufacture so many touches for tyree kill
Starting point is 00:33:06 and and granted dj moore is not tyree kill but when you script out your first drive or your first couple drives however they they go about their game planning there should 1000 be five targets going to dj moore in the first quarter get him in rhythm get him going it just makes it easier for baker and it doesn't have to be 15 yards down the field. Give him a two-yard pass that he can turn into a six-yard play. Give him a five-yard pass that he can turn into maybe a 15-yard play. Just put the ball in his
Starting point is 00:33:34 hands in some way, shape, or form to get him going a little bit. And that would be, I think, a great thing for their offense. It's just very frustrating. But to answer your question, no, you cannot start him in a two-receiver league at this point. He should probably still be started in three- three receiver leagues for what his upside can be and let's be fair he did score a touchdown two games ago so it's not like he's been a complete travesty compared to some receivers but he's he's quickly falling into the alan robinson range where
Starting point is 00:33:55 great not great but he's a great player alan's not a great player anymore but you know someone that you liked going into the season you drafted to be a starter for you that you just can't trust right now. DJ Moore's problem isn't the play calling. It's the quarterback because Baker's missing him. Four of his six. It goes hand in hand. I mean, they're,
Starting point is 00:34:14 they're Baker's not playing well right now. So how do you make things easier for Baker is you give easy design throws, short design throws to DJ Moore. Yeah, sure. But they also did a short design throw to LaVisca last week. I don't know if it was designed for LaVisca because Moore was running around. Well, I mean, the blocking was set up for a design throw.
Starting point is 00:34:31 Yes, that was a design throw. Yeah. And then in week one, there was the deep ball to Robbie. So they're doing some of that stuff. They're just not doing it with DJ Moore. I don't think the coaching staff likes DJ Moore. Like, fantasy managers like DJ Moore. And I think Baker's a problem for DJ Moore. Fantasy managers like DJ Moore. And I think Baker's a problem
Starting point is 00:34:45 for DJ Moore. I don't even think they've thrown 30 passes in a game this year. Chicago at the Giants just start the running backs? Yes, but Darnell Mooney? No.
Starting point is 00:35:01 Cole Komet? No. I was about to make a joke. If Dave Chappelle gave the Wicked Witch of the West advice on a sleeper to pick up, what would he say? I don't know. Get Richie James, witch! Jeez. That was really bad, Dave. That was a real reach.
Starting point is 00:35:23 All right, Minnesota's at New Orleans. You don't think that Dave Chappelle talks to witches very often? I don't think so. Not about Richie James. Stat of the day, the Saints are last. He is good, though. I like the idea of picking him up. Okay. Can I go now? Here we go. I'd like to
Starting point is 00:35:40 talk more about... Stat of the game for Minnesota and New Orleans. the saints are last in the nfl at pressure rate 17 percent much worse uh uh what they they really didn't pressure much in the first two weeks on purpose okay week three they got a lot of pressure okay i think they can get after cousins all right you All right. You know what? Why don't you just... Kirk Cousins is top 10. And start him.
Starting point is 00:36:10 He's not... He's above this bush of quarterbacks that stink this week. Dalvin Cook is a must start. How about Adam Thielen? Justin Jefferson. I know everyone's going to go back to him. How about Adam Thielen against the Saints
Starting point is 00:36:22 who have been pretty good against wide receivers so far. Yeah, they have been. They're giving up the A3 with fantasy points to wide receivers. Jamie, start us at Adam Thielen. I think he's the number three receiver. It's nice that he's gotten seven targets
Starting point is 00:36:36 each of the last two weeks, and he got into a rhythm with Cousins last week. But this has got to be a situation where, again, Pepper, you're number one guy with targets. And so will that be the case? I can't tell you for sure. Obviously, Cousins got great production at the end of the game from Osborne and from Thielen.
Starting point is 00:36:53 And that could be the sign of him in the system getting more comfortable that I don't necessarily have to feature one guy. You see that as quarterbacks evolve. Somebody has a level of experience, should be a little bit used to that by now, but who knows with a new coach. But in any event, it feels like this should be a Jefferson game. I'm hoping it's a Jefferson game. So Thielen, if he scores, you'll be fine. If he doesn't score,
Starting point is 00:37:14 you'll be a little bit frustrated. So, you know, probably max out at about 11 or 12 PPR points. If he doesn't find the end zone, if he scores, could be looking at 18 to 20. So, number three receiver. Irv Smith is 17th-ish for Dave and Jamie. He has 14 targets in his last two games. That's not so bad.
Starting point is 00:37:31 Saints haven't really been tested, but they did limit Kyle Pitts to 19 yards on seven targets in week one. So Irv Smith is not really a starter. More desperation there. All right. I can't imagine you're going to start Andy Dalton, but would you start Jameis Winston if he plays Dave? I'm starting him in at least one 2QB league
Starting point is 00:37:48 where Justin Fields has been my second quarterback. So, yes. Oh, you know what? I get it. Yeah, I think Heath and I probably have to look at that because we are starting Justin Fields right now. Did you add Dalton already? No, I'm not sure if he's been added.
Starting point is 00:38:02 It's 10 teams, so guys are available on waivers. Four or five every week or so. He might be one of them. Yeah, but that's the range that he's in. He's a, he's a starter in two QB leagues ahead of Justin Fields, but it golf, even do I like golf without St. Brown better than Dalton without Michael Thomas? I kind of do. I kind of do.
Starting point is 00:38:27 I kind of do, especially with the matchup against Seattle. I might even take Brissette against Atlanta over Dalton. Yeah, I would agree. And definitely Geno. I'm kind of a Geno truther this week. I would have said the same thing about Jameis, too, though, so I'm with you. How do you feel about Alvin Kamara? Easy start?
Starting point is 00:38:45 Love him with Dalton. I like him better with Dalton. Especially with no Thomas? I think that's the bigger thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It sets up for him to have a major role. I would be disappointed if he had 11 carries and 5 targets. Alright, Chris Olava has back-to-back games
Starting point is 00:39:01 with 13 targets. He is 93% rostered. You cannot get him. Jarvis Landry games with 13 targets. He is 93% rostered. You cannot get him. Jarvis Landry, on the other hand, is 68% rostered. And you can get Jarvis Landry. And we're not interested in him if Michael Thomas plays, but I guess after Justin Jefferson, rank the wide receivers in this game. So Olave, Landry, Thielen, and I guess I'll throw Osborne in there. Jefferson, Olave, Landry.
Starting point is 00:39:25 Jefferson, Olave, Thielen, Landry. Osborne in there. Jefferson, Olave, Landry. Jefferson, Olave, Thielen, Landry. Osborne. Osborne. No love for Traquan Smith. Well, he was banged up too. Has he been practicing? He had a concussion, but he's been practicing. So my guess is that he passes the protocol.
Starting point is 00:39:41 Well, would it be Traquan or would it be Calloway? I think it depends on who's available. think smith was the first guy in last week because calloway scored i mean both guys got banged up last week though so didn't you have to be really freaking desperate to need one of those guys on your fantasy no like i would rather richie james let's let's focus on olave here let's focus on Olave here. Let's focus on Olave here because he is top 30 guy for everyone. He's top 26 for Dave and Jamie. And would you start Olave or Metcalf? I'd go with Olave.
Starting point is 00:40:17 Garrett Wilson or Olave? Olave. Who or Olave? Garrett Wilson. I think I'd still go with a lot of over garrett wilson how about davante smith or a lot of a smith how about a running back uh cordero patterson if he plays for chris olave uh patterson it going to be closer. Full PPR, Adam? Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:40:50 I think I'll say Olave. Last one. Miles Sanders against the Jaguars or Chris Olave against the Vikings? Olave. Oh, Olave. I really anticipate Olave being in a lot of start or sit questions on Sunday morning.
Starting point is 00:41:04 Right. I would not expect... So the one thing that Olave being in a lot of start or sit questions on Sunday morning. Right. I would not expect. So the one thing that Olave does best is just accelerate downfield. We've seen it the last two weeks, and Jameis can get the ball to him. Dalton might be able to get the ball to him too. I think you take the chance on that, but more importantly, because Michael Thomas isn't there, should open up the target volume to remain what it's been,
Starting point is 00:41:24 even though Dalton's the quarterback. That's why you got to like Olave. Sorry. Okay. And Landry. Are you feeling better? Yeah, I am feeling a little bit better. I slept a little later today,
Starting point is 00:41:35 so I didn't spend as much time researching the Giants-Bears game. I was like, you know what? I think we know what that game's going to be about. I'm going to get an extra half hour here. Would you start Jarvis Landry over a Jets running back? I would over Carter. Full PPR, yeah, I think I'd probably go with Brees all over Landry. Okay, I believe we are done with this game.
Starting point is 00:42:00 Would you start Kirk Cousins or Aaron Rodgers? Oh, you have them back-to-back. Cousins. Who do I have Cousins or Aaron Rodgers? Oh, you have them back to back. Cousins. Who do I have higher? Rodgers. Rodgers. I think there's a little more upside with Rodgers. They're both top 10.
Starting point is 00:42:13 Cousins ahead of Derek Carr. Cousins ahead of Russell Wilson. All right, next game. Seattle's at Detroit. Stat of the game. Detroit has allowed 17.9 or more PPR fantasy points
Starting point is 00:42:26 to five wide receivers in three games. A.J. Brown, Curtis Samuel, Jahan Dotson, K.J. Osborne, and Adam Thielen. But they also have Jeffrey Okuda, who has been very good and has done a nice job limiting Devontae Smith, limiting Terry McLaurin, I believe, and certainly limiting Justin Jefferson. With help, with help, but he's doing a good job. So on one hand, they've been a great matchup, Jamie,
Starting point is 00:42:49 for wide receivers. On the other hand, they've got a perhaps rising star at cornerback. Maybe a little premature in saying that, but we got our eyes on it. What does that mean for you in terms of the Seahawks wide receivers? I think Lockett and Metcalf should easily be started
Starting point is 00:43:04 in three receiver leagues. It doesn't matter, Ialf should easily be started in three receiver leagues, just a matter of who you have in two receiver leagues. I'd give a slight nod to Metcalf in non-PPR because at least you've seen him score a touchdown once. That gives him a little bit of an upside because typically he's going to find the end zone more times than not comparatively
Starting point is 00:43:19 to Lockett based on their track record. Lockett is really locked in with Geno Smith right now, so it's been fun to see. And so in PPR, I would lean toward Lockett. So hopefully that continues. It's a good matchup against the Lions, like you said. Kudo's playing well. But is he the type of cornerback that you fear for your opposing receiver?
Starting point is 00:43:37 Probably not yet. So Tracy Walker's absence I think is going to be tough for the Lions, not having the back end of the secondary covered. So I think both the guys, again, number three receivers, Lockett slightly more in PPR and probably half, Metcalf more than none. Adam Thielen or a Seahawks guy? Both Seahawks.
Starting point is 00:43:54 Seahawks guy. I like this, by the way, this team name. When the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's Olave. That's good. I like that. Just Bob. All right, Gino Smith, Dave. That's Olave. That's good. I like that. Just Bob. All right.
Starting point is 00:44:06 Gino Smith, Dave. 18th for you. 16th for you. Moving up. Moving up. Wow. All right. Go ahead.
Starting point is 00:44:15 He's given you at least 20 fantasy points in two of his three games, and I believe the Lions have allowed at least 20 fantasy points to every quarterback that they've faced. Now, I think the biggest thing you've got to worry about with Gino is how much he actually throws, because I think Seattle will try and run the ball a little've got to worry about is how much he actually throws. Because I think Seattle will try and run the ball a little bit more than they have been
Starting point is 00:44:28 the past couple of weeks. Yeah. I mean, you can do anything you want to this Lions defense. Do you think the Seahawks can take advantage of that? I mean, this has been the best running back matchup.
Starting point is 00:44:42 Oh, we have a homecoming game. Who's that? The Michigan State guy going back. Well, he's not from Detroit. Ken Walker? Doesn't matter. It's a college homecoming game. Oh, it's an hour and a half away.
Starting point is 00:44:58 Yeah, I mean, do you like... It's the Ken Walker game. Let's go. Do you like Rashad Penny? I think Penny's okay. I do. I like Penny. The problem with Penny is,
Starting point is 00:45:08 is he going to give you another empty game? So it's a great matchup. I think he's definitely worth starting as at least a flex. Probably comes down to what your lineup looks like. So if you couldn't get your hands on Jamal Williams or Cleo Herbert, he's a great fallback option. You know, to replace DeAndre Swift and David Montgomery. But, you know, we've seen now two games of minimal work in the passing game so maybe that changes travis homer we've seen him get off to good
Starting point is 00:45:29 starts and they're playing with the lead against the broncos and he was averaging five yards per carry but uh nothing close to the end zone so it's just a matter of you know will this be the game where he finally cracks through and breaks out or is this the ken walker game it could be a fun one for him i don't think so well he still ran with hesitation he was tentative last week and he also had probably the best one of the season and remember homer was second homer by the way yeah he's on ir but he only has four targets this year they all came in week two uh detroit though, I mean, I update this stat every week, and we'll update it again, because it happened again. It's now
Starting point is 00:46:07 16 of their last 20 games, where they have allowed 94 rushing yards or a rushing touchdown to a running back. Last week, it was Alexander, both Cook and Madison scoring touchdowns, and Cook also got to the 94 rushing yard mark. He had 96 yards. So, again,
Starting point is 00:46:23 16 of the last 20 games since the start of 2021, that the lions have allowed 94 rushing yards or rushing touchdown to a running back. They are an incredible, I think that's ending this week, by the way. I wonder what the line will look like. If St.
Starting point is 00:46:37 Brown is out and I guess we'll have to see what happens with Charkin with, with Josh Reynolds also, because both those guys are banged up. But if the receiving core is just bare right now, does the line change? Because the Lions are five-and-a-half-point favorites, which is kind of strange. Yeah, we've got to talk about the Lions receivers. I think we're just about done with the Seahawks unless you wanted to say –
Starting point is 00:46:58 would anybody start Geno Smith over Stafford? I'm not there yet. Would you start Gino Smith? Who's the best quarterback in this game, Goff or Smith? I think it's Gino if there's no St. Brown. I'll still take Goff. Okay, and then
Starting point is 00:47:15 for the Lions. All right, so Goff is actually 12th for Heath, and he's 16th for Jamie and 20th for Dave. Jamal Williams is a must start. Not even going to get it. He's the start of the week.
Starting point is 00:47:33 Dave's not quite as high on Jamal Williams, and he has him 13th. So start Jamal Williams. Seahawks are an incredible matchup. These two teams are such great matchups for running backs. Wide receivers. All right, give me the scenario, Jamie, if Amonra St. Brown plays and
Starting point is 00:47:48 if he doesn't. St. Brown's a must start, obviously, if he plays. If he's out, you've got to keep an eye on both. Both Chark and Reynolds have been banged up. Reynolds was limited. I think Chark mispracticed on Thursday. If both those guys play, I give a slight lean toward Reynolds
Starting point is 00:48:04 just based on how he's performed so far this season, but both would get a boost and be in the number three receiver range. Not necessarily ranked that way, but you can certainly start them as number three receivers. Reynolds probably better in PPR, Tark probably better in non-PPR just with the touchdown potential, but again, both very similar. And then a boost for Hawkinson too. The fact that he's able to practice and seemingly on track to play
Starting point is 00:48:23 is a great situation for him. He should be solidified as a top 10 tight end if Amonra St. Brown's not there. If St. Brown plays, I don't think you want to trust outside of deeper leagues, Reynolds or Chark. Would you say if Michael Thomas and Amonra St. Brown are both out, would you take Josh Reynolds or DJ Chark or Jarvis Landry? Landry. Reynolds. Landry Chark,
Starting point is 00:48:54 I think is how I will rank it. I like, I like Reynolds. I think golf likes Reynolds too. And let's say Keenan Allen is also out. Josh Palmer, Reynolds, Landry. Who's the best? Palmer, Josh Palmer, Reynolds, Landry. Who's the best?
Starting point is 00:49:07 Palmer, Landry, Reynolds, Chark. I think I'd go Palmer, Reynolds, Landry, Chark as well. Okay. You just said you like Reynolds over Landry. Yeah. What'd I say? I said Reynolds over Landry. That's what he said.
Starting point is 00:49:24 I thought you said Landry over Landry. I'm sorry. No, no. Last year, by the way, this was the breakout game for Palmer in his rookie season. For who? Against Texas. Oh. Okay. And yeah,
Starting point is 00:49:40 TJ Hawkinson is... Why is TJ Hawkinson, by the way, so low for you guys? Just because he hasn't been very good? Right. Okay, that makes sense. Good response. Sit the DSTs. We're going to take a quick break.
Starting point is 00:49:53 When we come back, we'll talk Rams at 49ers. Rams at 49ers. Stat of the game. These run defenses have been very good. No running back has rushed for 50 yards yet against the Rams, and San Francisco is allowing 2.9 yards per carry to running backs. Do you want to start any running back in this game, Dave?
Starting point is 00:50:12 No. I'm encouraged by what I saw with Cam Akers last week. He's at best a non-PPR flex. Okay. Pressure rate. I don't know. He makes me nervous too. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:26 Look, I like him better than the Rams running backs. Yeah. I would start him over. I started with Miles Sanders, for example. I would start him over Antonio Gibson. I think they're clearly giving him plenty of work, and that's fantastic. So Trent Williams not being there is ugly.
Starting point is 00:50:44 That's not going to be fine. That line is in bad shape. The fact that they're also throwing him the ball, which is the best part about it. That's fantastic. So Trent Williams not being there is ugly. That's not going to be fine. That line is in bad shape. The fact that they're also throwing him the ball, which is the best part about it. So if he's still going to get three catches, he could still get over 80 total yards chance to score. At some point, he's going to find the end zone. All right.
Starting point is 00:50:57 So the Niners, number one in the NFL in pressure rate, and the Bills are number three, and they destroyed Matthew Stafford. So I think that's where the concern lies with Matthew Stafford here. 100%. I think they're going to really have a lot of success against the run game and Stafford's going to have to throw. I think he played really well last week.
Starting point is 00:51:16 He threw 25 times and averaged 10 yards per attempt and it would have been a lot more than that if Cup didn't drop, what was that, a 40-ish yard touchdown pass that was beautifully thrown. So that's why I'm more optimistic. He scored 23 or more fantasy. He scored about 23 fantasy points in two of three games
Starting point is 00:51:30 against the 49ers last year. Yes, they were both at home and he was bad in the one road game. But yeah, I don't know. Technically, technically, though, the one at home was also a road game. Why? Because of the fans? You don't remember what happened
Starting point is 00:51:44 that they had to use a silent count in their own building? Yeah. I don't remember that, no. But the Niners have been great. They have not even allowed 200 passing yards yet. Justin Fields,
Starting point is 00:51:52 Geno Smith, Russell Wilson. We'll see what happens here. We already talked about Stafford earlier, but Dave's got him around 12th. Jamie's going to move him to around 15th.
Starting point is 00:52:00 Sit the Rams running backs if you can, but you like Akers better than Henderson, I assume? Yes. Yeah. Okay. And Cooper cup is a start where you cool with cup after last week, after the job,
Starting point is 00:52:12 let's see. Um, Alan Robinson, we've talked about Adam Thielen. We've talked about crystal, uh, not a lot of, I know he's going a bit of ahead of Robinson.
Starting point is 00:52:21 We've talked about Adam Thielen, the Seahawks guys. We've talked about Jarvis Landry and the scenario that Michael Thomas is out. All better than Robinson? Yeah, you can't trust him. I've got Robinson 52nd among wide receivers in PPR. He's like 49th for me, something like that. You love him. Okay.
Starting point is 00:52:39 Tyler Higbee, must-start guy? It's hard to get away from targets. I mean, this has been the second-best receiving option for Stafford. And so, you know, hopefully he continues to produce. Obviously not an easy matchup, but 8 to 10 targets is something that's easily in play for Tyler Higbee this week. This will be interesting because, you know,
Starting point is 00:53:03 I talked about this at the beginning of the year. The San Francisco 49ers have been top six against tight ends in four straight seasons. And they have faced almost no good tight ends. And last year,
Starting point is 00:53:14 it's really weird. They will this year, though, because they're playing the NFC West. And the AFC West. I mean, they are. Yeah. And Tyler Higby actually
Starting point is 00:53:23 caught two touchdowns last year. Three touchdowns in two regular season games against the 49ers. And they got hurt in the postFC West. I mean, they did. Yeah. And Tyler Higbee actually caught two touchdowns last year. Three touchdowns in two regular season games against the 49ers. And he got hurt in the postseason game. This would definitely be a situation where you're not looking to stream a tight end over Higbee. If you have him, you just start him. Yeah. Sit Garoppolo, Jeff Wilson. Actually, Heath is the highest on Jeff Wilson.
Starting point is 00:53:42 He has him in the top 20. And you'd start Wilson, over Allen Robinson would you start Wilson or I'd start Wilson the volleyball over Allen Robinson Jamie I don't know what happened to you last night or this morning but you are in a fun like an angry but fun angry mood and I love it
Starting point is 00:54:03 would you start Jeff Wilson or Curtis Samuel? Let's say half PPR. Samuel. Half PPR, yeah, probably Samuel. Okay, so definitely in full PPR, Curtis Samuel. Yeah, non-PPR Wilson. Okay. Debo Samuel, Brandon Ayuk, who do you like better?
Starting point is 00:54:24 Debo. I don't trust Ayuk this week. It's not that crazy. Ayuk, you could argue, is a better, will be a more prolific wide receiver with Jimmy Garoppolo, just as he was in the second half of last year. And does he lead the team in receiving? He might.
Starting point is 00:54:41 It's probably very close. I'm going to check that. I bet they're very close. Why don't you trust Ayuk? I just don't trust he's going to be productive against this defense. I think it's going to be a problem for Garoppolo also. I mean, they just lost
Starting point is 00:54:54 Trent Williams. So to expect downfield throws with a lot of success from Jimmy Garoppolo is not exactly something I think you're going to see. So you can see a lot of design short throws to Debo, to Kittle, get the ball quick. Shanahan will adjust, but can he adjust against his defense? This feels just like a low-scoring game.
Starting point is 00:55:11 It just feels like there's not going to be a lot of points scored between these two teams. That's the worry is that it's going to be a lot of field goals and maybe two touchdowns per team, something like that. And I think it will be a close game after all. But the Rams have allowed the highest catch rate to wide receivers this year, 75%. That's crazy.
Starting point is 00:55:30 How much of that, though, is week one versus week two and three? Look, it's catch rate. If you want me to try and break it down. Hey, listen, the Rams have given up the second most points to wide receivers and let's go through it. And the second most yards to wide receivers, too.
Starting point is 00:55:45 They got torched by Diggs. They got torched by Gabe Davis. But Drake London had 86 yards and a touchdown. Olamide Zaccheaus caught a touchdown. Marquis Brown had 140 yards. Greg George had nine for 80 on 10 targets. Right. And look, obviously teams are throwing like crazy against them.
Starting point is 00:56:01 It's just the nature of the teams that they've played. And I think the 49ers are going to have to try and do something like that. And that gets me to Iuke, who's got a 24% target share on the season, but with Garoppolo, it's 30%. And I love that. So I think Iuke is a flex. I'm still going to start Debo over him.
Starting point is 00:56:17 I think it's kind of crazy to think that it's not because Debo can contribute in the run game. Yeah, of course. But I wouldn't run away from Iuke just because he's playing against the Rams. No, the Rams' run defense is so good that teams are forced to, and their offense is good, obviously. The teams are forced to pass on them like Kyler Murray threw, what, 60 passes in week three.
Starting point is 00:56:34 Michael Thomas, by the way, has been declared out for the game. So we've already given you the contingency plans there. George Kittle is eighth, ninth, right around there. Again, you're going to start him. The Rams have now allowed just one touchdown to a tight end in their last 14 games dating back to last year, and it was
Starting point is 00:56:53 George Kittle in the AFC championship game. Which DST do you prefer? Ram. Let me double check because I want to say the Rams. It's the rams but they're both top 10 kansas city at tampa bay stat of the game the chiefs have held james connor to 2.6 yards per carry austin eckler to 2.8 and jonathan taylor to 3.4 yards per carry how about this chiefs run defense dominant so far they They are without Willie Gay,
Starting point is 00:57:26 but they were without him last week, starting linebacker. Meanwhile, the Bucs have the number one scoring defense in football, and the Chiefs are fifth in yards per play allowed. Both teams are top five. Jamie, is this a high-scoring game or kind of a surprisingly defensive game?
Starting point is 00:57:42 It wouldn't surprise me if it's a surprisingly defensive game. I mean, you're looking at what the Bucs have been, and they're not exactly lighting things up, and they've been holding teams down, and we certainly have seen one sample size of this defense versus this quarterback. It was a much different offensive line for the Chiefs, but in the Super Bowl, Patrick Mahomes was
Starting point is 00:57:58 extremely frustrated against this team. Different set of circumstances, different set of weapons for Mahomes, and certainly a different offensive line. But yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if this is a game that's in the low 40s at best. I don't think you want to play the over here. I know you guys don't love Cam Akers, obviously, and you're lukewarm on Jeff Wilson.
Starting point is 00:58:18 Where do you rank Clyde Edwards-Elair amongst those guys? Better than Akers and in the same range as Wilson. I would start Clyde over Wilson and PPR for sure. I would too. Okay, but we do want to get away from Clyde if possible. Yeah, but
Starting point is 00:58:37 then you're starting to think about what running backs you'd use ahead of him. As a flex, definitely you can get away from Clyde. But as a starting running back, you weigh him against Miles Sanders Wilson Jacobs I don't know if he's necessarily worse I know it's a tough matchup but they use him near the goal line uh Jacobs certainly over Clyde uh who else you say Wilson Jeff Olsen yeah like I said PPR I go Clyde because it was rolling the passing game but I'd go Wilson non-PPR uh I like BreesPR, I'd go Clyde because of his role in the passing game, but I'd go Wilson in non-PPR. I like Brees Hall better.
Starting point is 00:59:07 I like Tony Pollard better. Kareem Hunt? I like Kareem Hunt better. All right. I mean, you know, 15 touches for him versus, you know, maybe 12 for Clyde in their respective matchups. I'll take Kareem. I threw three games.
Starting point is 00:59:22 Look at the Chiefs wide receivers. And by the way, Patrick Mahomes is top five. Interested to see what he does this week. He's only had one standout game. He's been around 20, 21 fantasy points each of the last two weeks after carving up Arizona. MVS and Juju so far do not have a single green zone target through three weeks. It's been basically all Kelsey, a little bit of Clyde.
Starting point is 00:59:39 Not great for the wide receivers. And Juju's had two good games out of three. Nothing great. But Dave, you have confidence that he can be in the what 70 80 yard range juju somewhere around there but more importantly the five six seven catch range right around he i don't has even had a 15 point ppr game yet he might have last week i think in the 14s. So he's been really close. So, like, good number three receiver in PPR. Okay. I think the thing to keep an eye on here is MBS has mispracticed
Starting point is 01:00:11 Wednesday and Thursday with an abdomen injury. And if he's out this week, then what do they do? Do they put Sky Moore on the field more? Do they put Justin Watson on the field more? You know, who gets the benefit of the additional playing time? And Mikko Harmon is also banged up. He's dealing with a heel injury for the last two both of them so yeah it could be um but i think they like wilson or not wilson uh watson they like watson a lot um i think the thing that
Starting point is 01:00:35 would be the hope would be you know and this goes back to what my homes told us this offseason that expect to see a diverse offense and you frustrating situation for fantasy managers. Well, if they're down one or two guys, maybe we get some concentrated targets like we're used to from Mahomes, and that helps Juju and that helps Kelsey. And we see these guys maybe pop a little bit based on what their potential could be. So obviously nobody's getting away from Kelsey,
Starting point is 01:00:58 but I think if there is no MBS, then that's a big boost for Juju. Okay. It's not like MBS is doing anything, but he's on the field all the time. Well, I mean, he's getting seven targets a week, so those seven targets go somewhere else. Okay, start Travis Kelsey.
Starting point is 01:01:12 Tom Brady. Start or sit, Jamie? I would start him. I don't think it's a slam dunk like, oh my God, you got to go back to Tom Brady, but I made the decision, not that who knows how it would have worked out, but I had Tom Brady in two in one league, and I started Brady.
Starting point is 01:01:27 I think, you know, him and Russell Wilson, to me, it's an opportunity for them to be in better situations. For Brady, mostly it's because he's getting Evans back and hopefully Godwin. Russell Gage seemed to show something last week that, you know, maybe Brady will trust, not necessarily just because the guys were missing. Maybe the same thing with Brate, you know, getting just different guys involved, you know, certainly would help his outlook. I hope Donovan Smith plays, but I think that's huge, you know,
Starting point is 01:01:49 getting his left tackle back to solidify the offense line a little bit. But every quarterback against this Chiefs defense has at least gotten two touchdowns. And so I think if Brady gets that second touchdown, I don't think he's going to be turnover prone. So can he get you 250 and two? I think that's realistic. So back end number one quarterback, you know, whether he's 10 or 12, you know, I don't think he's going to 52? I think that's realistic. So back end number, number one quarterback, you know,
Starting point is 01:02:05 whether he's 10 or 12, you know, I don't think he's going to be a top five guy, but he's got the opportunity, I think, to still reward you with about a 20 to 22 point game. Start for net Evans for sure. Dave,
Starting point is 01:02:16 I, you already did this earlier, but you want to run down how you feel about the bucks wide receivers. Cause there's just a lot of uncertainty here. Evans is a top 15 isish type of wide receiver, especially in, well, it's both formats, really, because you're hoping that he scores a touchdown. Don't
Starting point is 01:02:31 hate the matchup for him. I think if Julio plays, he's probably the next best guy, but it's with some trepidation because he could always get hurt. I think Gage kind of made him a trustworthy target for Tom Brady, and he could be their slot guy if Godwin doesn't play.
Starting point is 01:02:48 If Godwin plays, it'll hurt certainly Julio and Gage a lot, but I don't know if fantasy managers can just race right back to Godwin in typical two-wide receiver, one-flex leagues because we don't know how much he'll play. We don't know how effective he'll be. I have Godwin only in three wide receiver, one flex leagues. And I would,
Starting point is 01:03:07 I'm sure you would too. I mean, I would be so excited to start him. I've been dying to start Chris Godwin, three receiver PPR. I've got him in three receiver, three flex leagues. I would absolutely start him.
Starting point is 01:03:18 Yeah. He, I mean, he really, I know it was so small, but he looked very good in week one, three catches, 35 yards on three targets.
Starting point is 01:03:25 But the way he exploded and that one catch he made and that wide receiver screen, I think it was, made me at least feel like, okay, the ACL is not an issue right now. And then his hamstring exploded. Yes, exactly. But at least I think he's recovered from the ACL. I hope he plays. All right.
Starting point is 01:03:43 Imagine if they didn't play him that week and rush him on the field, and then we would have had him for the last maybe two weeks. Maybe. Starter stick Cameron Brate. If you're desperate at tight end. Okay. He's the second best tight end in this game. Would you start a DST?
Starting point is 01:04:03 No. Washington is at Dallas. That of the game. The Cowboys have held their first three opponents to under 20 points for the first time since 1974. Almost 50 years.
Starting point is 01:04:15 How about them Cowboys? Okay. Carson Wentz or Cooper Rush? You laugh, but Rush played so well. If the Cowboys win this game, it could be Dak Prescott or Cooper Rush. Still Wentz. I agree. Wentz should throw more.
Starting point is 01:04:36 You like Wentz this week? No. No, it's a volume thing for Rush. It's a volume thing for Rush. Yeah, that Cowboys pass rush is going to be all over Carson Wentz. Is Gibson... Did you see how many times he was pressured last week? Pressured? I know he was sacked nine times.
Starting point is 01:04:52 Daniel Jones or Carson Wentz? I'm sorry, he was hit 17 times. Not that much was pressured. So he was sacked nine times, he was hit 17 times. He was pressured a ton. And did you see how many times the Cowboys sacked and hit Daniel Jones? No, it's the exact same problem that Wentz is going to have. They sacked
Starting point is 01:05:08 him five times and they hit him 12 times. I mean... Yeah, the most pressures for a Giants quarterback in, like, I don't know, 15 years? 55% of the snaps. Something crazy like that. 55%. Holy cow. Yeah. It was brutal. I was very proud
Starting point is 01:05:24 of Daniel Jones. I wanted to go in the locker room and be like, I'm so proud of you, son. I thought he played. I was swelling with pride for the guts he displayed in that game. Carson Wentz is going to have to do the same thing. Carson Wentz or Marcus Mariota, Jared Goff, Geno Smith? Yes. All those guys over Wentz.
Starting point is 01:05:44 Okay. Gibson or Clyde? yes all those guys over went okay gibson or clyde i have gibson over clyde gibson and non-ppr clyde and ppr they've just stopped throwing to gibson it's the jd mckissick show yeah i think they're gonna have to throw to gibson gibson had a terrible run late last week i don't know if he had another carry after it, but he went east and west instead of north and south. It's the thing that they hate the most. The second thing they hate the most about Antonio Gibson. The first is the fumbles. He hasn't done that yet.
Starting point is 01:06:14 I think they've got to throw. They know what the Cowboys pass rush is going to be able to do. They just experienced it with Philadelphia. Dallas isn't as good defensively as Philadelphia, but they're close. They're going to work around that. I think Gibson gets back involved in the passing game. So where do you have him ranked? You obviously seem to like
Starting point is 01:06:30 him more. I've got him way too high. Why would they go back to get Gibson involved in the passing game when they've been using McKissick in that role for last year? Because they can't run the ball, and they've got to get the ball out of McKissick. But again, though, why would they use Gibson and McKissick? Because they can't overload McKissick. Why not? If they get 12 targets, because they've never done that. Maybe theyissick? Because they can't overload McKissick. Why not?
Starting point is 01:06:48 Because they've never done that. Maybe they could. I mean, they have the last three weeks. And then they go with McKissick. I think that's what's going to happen. There's a simpler answer here. McKissick plays on third down. If they just throw the ball to Gibson on first and second down like they did in week one when he had seven catches. And 2021 and 2020.
Starting point is 01:07:04 Yeah. They did it a ton then 2021 and 2020 yeah it's on then too but it's hard to say they will because they have curtis samuel playing that role and they still have they have other options it's just they're back to i don't trust antonio gibson motive again and they've proven that the last two weeks if he doesn't score a touchdown you're getting a miserable stat line and so this is a defense that's been very good i should i i would hope that they'd be able to contain this offense based on how this offensive line looks right now. So I would stay away from it.
Starting point is 01:07:30 Tony Gibson, if you can. He's a flex at best. What about the wide receivers? They're all number three guys at best. Right. McClure might be a low-end number two for me. I'd start a lobby over him i would start i don't think i'd go the landry uh reynolds route over him yet but he's closer to those
Starting point is 01:07:52 guys than he is to must start who are you talking about mclaurin or samuel both well samuel i mean seven catches every game at least seven seven eight in every game yeah i've seven. Seven, eight in every game. I've got McLaurin right at 24th among wide receivers. Might be a tad too high, but high-end flex at minimum. Samuel is 31st. Got him ahead of Dortch.
Starting point is 01:08:17 Got him ahead of Iyuk, Bateman, Garrett Wilson. He's going to get a ton of catches. Okay. If Chris Godwin plays, how many Washington wide receivers are you starting over Chris Godwin? I'd probably still start McLaurin over him just because of the first game
Starting point is 01:08:32 back for Godwin, but I'd start Godwin over Samuel. I wouldn't. Not in PPR. Not in PPR, maybe, but in full PPR, give me Samuel. Logan Thomas or Cameron Brait? Nogan Thomas? Logan Thomas or Cameron Brait? No-gan Thomas.
Starting point is 01:08:49 He's a touchdown or bust tight end. Both of them are, but I'd rather have Thomas than Brait. Yeah, I agree. Cooper Rush is not ranked. He hasn't exactly put up big numbers, but if CeeDee Lamb had caught that deep ball, that would have been a much better game for Cooper Rush. Washington allows the third most fantasy points to quarterbacks.
Starting point is 01:09:07 They've given up over 30 points two weeks in a row to Goff and Hertz. And they allowed the most fantasy points to quarterbacks last year. So it's a great matchup, but he's Cooper Rush. So Zeke and Pollard. Jamie said a lot about this. I think we talked about them actually a lot yesterday. Dave, how do you feel about Zeke and Pollard this week against Washington, which so far is giving up 5.3 yards per
Starting point is 01:09:27 carry to running backs? I don't know what. They were really good against running backs last year. They're terrible so far this year. How do you feel about these Cowboys guys? If we were so sure that Pollard was going to get almost the same amount of work as Zeke, then I would start Pollard ahead of Zeke. But I don't know if that's going to be the case. I know it was the case last week. I'm not sure it's going to be the case this week, and I think Zeke has the better chance to score. So I like Zeke better than Pollard, but I do like Pollard as a high-end flex, regardless
Starting point is 01:09:55 of whether catches count or not. Okay. Sorry. Funny. What did you get, another text? Yeah, yeah. Dondo is just trying to save our position. What did he say?
Starting point is 01:10:07 Things I'd rather rankings. These are the rankings of things that he'd rather have. I'm not going to tell you the first two. Number three is friendship with Allie remains intact. That's my wife. Friendship with Adam's wife remains intact. Friendship with Dave Azar remains intact. That's my brother.
Starting point is 01:10:24 Next is friendship with Adam Azar is restored after heart-to-heart by the ice machine as Bill watches with it. Anyway, he is prioritizing friendship with my wife and my brother over friendship with me. So, I think it's officially over.
Starting point is 01:10:39 Dallas-wide receivers. Lama must start? Yes. Of course. Noah Brown, any interest? Michael Gallup, any interest? No. I'd have more interest in Noah Brown if Michael Gallup was not playing. But if Michael Gallup plays, then it's hard to trust him.
Starting point is 01:10:54 But certainly somebody that should be on your radar still in case Gallup is out. All right. This team sucks against slot receivers. Keep that in mind. They did last year. They do this year. They're terrible against everyone, basically. They've allowed 100 yards every game.
Starting point is 01:11:08 They're so bad. How's Jack Del Rio not fired yet? Yeah. Oh, you get Schneier talking about Jack Del Rio. It's hilarious. Dalton Schultz. Dalton Schultz. Yeah, where do you guys have Dalton Schultz ranked this week? Low end.
Starting point is 01:11:24 Right around 10. It's more of a hope than a guarantee because who knows, A, if he plays, and B, how much he'll play. It's a great opportunity if he's out there. He's better than the touchdown or bust tight ends. Tyler Higbee or Dalton Schultz?
Starting point is 01:11:41 Higbee. I would go Higbee and PPR Schultz and non with the chance that he scores. Logan Thomas or Dalton Schultz? Schultz. Oh, I got a good one. Tyler Conklin, number three tight end in fantasy, or Dalton Schultz? So I've got Conklin ranked pretty high in PPR because he's been so involved lately,
Starting point is 01:11:58 but I'm not sure what's going to happen with Zach Wilson there. That's one I might have to change. But I still might put him right ahead of Schultz. I would treat Schultz and Conklin the same way I would treat Schultz and Higby. Higby and Conklin better in PPR, Schultz better in non-PPR.
Starting point is 01:12:15 Well, I don't know that Dalton Schultz would be a draft. I don't even know if he'd be drafted if Cooper Rush were the quarterback all year. The appeal was Dak Prescott. It's not like we think Dalton Schultz is some star. He'd probably be drafted, but he'd be a late-round pick probably. Well, I mean, to be fair, as Dave just alluded to, we've been relying on Tyler Conklin to whatever extent people have been relying on him
Starting point is 01:12:37 because of his backup quarterback. Well, yeah, but I do have a small sample size, but he had two catches for 18 yards in week two with Cooper Rush. Well, you have to Azerstad that one. No, he got hurt very late in that game. No, no, no, no, no. You got to Azerstad. No, I'm not Azerstad-ing anything. Dallas DSD is top five.
Starting point is 01:12:57 Cardinals, we got two games left, but the last game is Giants and Bears, so that's just starting two players. Arizona at Carolina, stat of the game, according to onlyinyourstate.com, Charlotte is the pimento cheese capital of the world. Thank you for arguably the worst cheese, Charlotte. Pimento cheese.
Starting point is 01:13:17 Sorry I didn't try it when I was there this summer. You should have, yeah. Next time, now you know. Isn't that a staple at Augusta? Pimento cheese sandwich? Thata? I don't know. Pimento cheese sandwich? Not happening. That's all I know about golf.
Starting point is 01:13:30 So Kyler Murray is seventh for you guys. Maybe that's changed, but as of yesterday, he was seventh. He's seventh. He's lower for you. God, man, run. Let him run. James Conner. Let's do some James Conner oars.
Starting point is 01:13:42 James Conner oars. Antonio Gibson. Connor. James Connor or James Robinson. Connor. I'll take Robinson. James Connor or Ezekiel Elliott. Connor.
Starting point is 01:14:00 Connor by a nose. All right. He's a number two running back. It's been a pretty good defense. Carolina's not great against the run, but actually other than Nick Chubb, they've been pretty solid. I mean,
Starting point is 01:14:12 respectable against cream. That Barkley guy and hunt and Camara. They've been pretty, they've been pretty solid. Chubb is the only one who tore them up. They're, they're a good defense. It seems could be competition,
Starting point is 01:14:24 but so far so good. All right. Obviously you're starting Marqu it seems. Could be competition, but so far, so good. All right, obviously you're starting Marquise Brown. How do you feel about Greg? Greg Dortch is the number 18 wide receiver in PPR so far, or he was going into Thursday night. So would you start Chris Olave, Jarvis Landry, Greg Dortch? How would you rank them? Well, you have a big thing at play
Starting point is 01:14:42 here. If Rondell Moore plays, then Greg Dortch probably loses his role. He's probably still on the field, but he loses his role as a slot guy. So if he's not playing in the slot, then I don't love Greg Dortch. But if he's playing in the slot still, depending on what they decide to do to replace A.J. Green, then this is why he's been so successful, because Kyler Murray's been looking for him.
Starting point is 01:15:01 So we'll find out. It's a little bit of a discovery game to see what they do with Rondell Moore back. But this was supposed to be Rondell Moore, which is so frustrating. Sure. Well, Kingsbury said that Rondell would be limited if he plays. My hunch is that they will both play in and out of the slot all game long. I don't mind Dorch. Right now, I've got him ranked as a top 36 receiver in PPR.
Starting point is 01:15:26 But if Rondell Moore plays, he probably won't last there. He'll fall down a little bit, but still not bad. He'll be a not bad PPR receiver. Yeah, it could certainly work in his favor, and to be fair, he's not 100%. He's been on the injury report all week.
Starting point is 01:15:40 What we could get also, which would be fun on the other side of this, is if Dortch is out and Moore is healthy, then maybe Moore is somebody you wanted to beat the waiver wire on because he could have all these opportunities. You know, what has it been? Seven plus targets in three straight games? Or seven plus catches in three straight games? Excuse me.
Starting point is 01:15:56 Who, for Dortch? Right, Dortch? No, he had a four-catch game in week two. Right, he had seven catches in two of three games. But he has scored 13.3 or more PPR fantasy points in all three games. And do you like Dortch better than DJ Moore?
Starting point is 01:16:12 Yep. If there is no Rondell Moore, yes. If Rondell Moore plays, I'll go back to Moore. Both of those receivers, by the way, are available in like 65%
Starting point is 01:16:21 or more of CBS leagues. Yeah. Two stash guys, Rondell, maybe Rondell ahead of Dorch. I would. You guys have Zach, Zachary at sixth.
Starting point is 01:16:33 So start him using while you can. And Christian McCaffrey, we expect to play, but if he doesn't, how high would you rank Foreman for Jamie Hubbard for Dave? You guys said earlier, you have different favorites here would they crack your top 30 no all right i don't think so i think we'd
Starting point is 01:16:52 probably be talking about one guy is a top 36 running back okay and dj moore is not even in the top 40 he's 28th for heath but that's like 100th for Heath. But he has to. He has to hold on. Again, I mean... You know what he is? He is Rose holding on to Jack in the Titanic. Yeah, but she did kind of let go. No, I mean, at some point, he's going to have to let go.
Starting point is 01:17:16 She murdered him. I hate her. There was room on that thing for two of them. Totally. It's ridiculous. It was straight-up murder. Bears's ridiculous. It was straight up murder. Bears and Giants. Stat of the game. These teams are
Starting point is 01:17:30 both 2-1. What? They have also combined for three pass plays of 25 plus yards. The Patriots lead the NFL with 10, which is weird. The Dolphins are tied, but they played an extra game. Stat of the game number two,
Starting point is 01:17:46 the Bears have been very solid against wide receivers through three games. Something to keep an eye on. Depot Samuel had 14 yards. Iuke had 40. Lazard had 13 yards. Yeah, okay, fine. Lazard had 13 yards and a touchdown. Brandon Cooks had 22 yards.
Starting point is 01:17:57 Those guys, none of them had more than 40 yards. Only Lazard has scored so far. How did Samuel Watkins do against them? He had 93 yards. He's been the best. Okay. All right. Dave, how did Depot Samuel, Brandon Iuke, Only Lazard has scored so far. How did Samuel Watkins do against them? He had 93 yards. He's been the best. Dave, how did Debo Samuel, Brandon Iyuk, Brandon Cooks, and Alan Lazard do? Give us some credit.
Starting point is 01:18:13 Give us some credit here. They were fine. They were fine. All right, listen. Start Herbert. Start Barkley. Sit everyone else. Richie James, I'm guessing, would be your favorite flex.
Starting point is 01:18:25 Although my prediction is Kenny Galladay leads the team in receiving, but not in a significant way. And I gotta tell you, I think Daniel Bellinger is kind of interesting. I kind of like him. I don't really know. He's not a bad deep league ad, for sure. Yeah, I don't know in what context, but... I just picked him up in our Dynasty League. He was on the way to work. I couldn't believe it.
Starting point is 01:18:42 Bears DST? Giants DST? Who do you like? Bears. Giants DST? Who do you like? Bears. Giants. Sportsline loves the Giants DST, by the way. They have no pass rush. I don't know about Leonard Williams.
Starting point is 01:19:00 It helps him immensely if he plays. If he's right. Limited on Wednesday, and he did not practice on Thursday. Oh, he didn't practice Wednesday. Leonard Williams is probably not going to play. That's my guess. And that's a big deal.
Starting point is 01:19:17 So, okay. That's it. That's that game. Thanks. I know long show. Appreciate it. Emotional show today. A lot of anger out. A lot of fantasy frustration. Coaching frustration. I know long show. Appreciate it. Emotional show today. A lot of anger out.
Starting point is 01:19:27 A lot of fantasy frustration. Coaching frustration. That was vented on today's show. We will talk to you at the mailbag at 11 a.m. Eastern on Friday. It's going to publish on Saturday. CBS Sports HQ Friday at noon Eastern. Sunday at 10 a.m. Eastern. And we have a live stream at 1130 a.m. Eastern. YouTube.com
Starting point is 01:19:44 slash fantasy football today. Have a great weekend, everybody. I'm going to go restore my friendship with Nando. See ya.

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