Fantasy Football Today - Start or Sit (NFC Home Games) and Thanksgiving Games Recap! (11/28 Fantasy Football Podcast)
Episode Date: November 28, 2025We review the three Thanksgiving games with our Fantasy reactions on Lamar Jackson, Javonte Williams, Joe Burrow, Jordan Love, Jameson Williams, Zay Flowers and more. Is Chase Brown's role a concern? ...Can we trust Lamar going forward? ... News and notes (18:30) and One Question for Each Game (26:25)! Start or Sit Emeka Egbuka? Justin Jefferson? Ken Walker? Tetairoa McMillan? ... Start or Sit for Cardinals-Bucs (30:10), Broncos-Commanders (42:35), Vikings-Seahawks (49:30), Rams-Panthers (56:10), Saints-Dolphins (1:04:00) and Falcons-Jets (1:12:00) ... Email us at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Shop our store: shop.cbssports.com/fantasy SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179 FOLLOW FFT Dynasty on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1 SUBSCRIBE to FFT DFS on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dfs/id1579415837 To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Jamie, good Thanksgiving.
It was great Thanksgiving.
How about you?
Yeah, it was really nice.
It was delicious.
Best thing you ate.
Oh, boy.
Best thing I ate was you're not going to like it, but my wife's pumpkin pie.
Okay.
Brown butter cookies for me.
Now, the turkey is just going to go with the chalk.
The turkey was great.
I'm not really a turkey guy.
He was great.
What's that?
No, turkey was great, too.
Oh, good, good, good, good.
What's a worse feeling?
I think this is a stupid question, but I ask a lot of them.
So let's just start it right here.
What's a worse feeling?
Starting a player who has a bad game
Or sitting a player who has a huge game
Sitting a player has a huge game
Oh, okay, I was going to think
You're going to say obviously it's starting a player
It's bad. Oh God, Jamo gets me every week
We start great like Lamar Jackson
Which I know we'll talk about
Should have had a great game
Yeah
And you're not benching Lamar Jackson
For the most part
What's his points if he if he
gets those two touchdowns
probably about 20
he wouldn't even had a great game
no he would have had a good game
good game and the 50 yard drop
and the 50 okay yeah you start talking
they were probably talking close to 24ish
something like that
like it was such a weird game for him
and listen he did not play well obviously
but loses the the fumble
with Isaiah likely
the questionable offensive pass interference call
which clearly hurt two players there
and I think in the case
So to answer your question, like, I know I was an idiot for saying to sit Jordan Love in hindsight.
Like that, I'm watching that unfold.
Like, I have them in a couple of leagues and just, why didn't I start?
Yeah.
No, that was a real surprise.
All right, so we'll get into the games, got some injuries from Thursday, and then we're going to preview six games today, and they are.
I think it just, one of the questions just popped up in the chat.
I think the toughest dilemma.
And we'll know, obviously, the answer by Saturday, certainly by the end of the day, is the Cardinals wide receivers.
Oh, yeah, big time.
I think I'm still going to roll with Michael Wilson in my three-receiver league, even if Marvin Harrison Jr. plays.
I don't disagree with that, but I think there's going to be some tough calls.
Oh, for sure.
For sure.
I mean, it's not like I'm starting over Ricky Pearsall and Darius.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know, so six games today, Arizona, Tampa Bay.
Denver at Washington, Minnesota at Seattle, Rams at Panthers.
I have a lot to say about that game.
New Orleans at Miami, Atlanta at the Jets.
All right, best thing you ate, we covered.
Worst feeling, we cover, but I'm going to do a Twitter poll.
Starting someone who stinks or sitting someone who's great.
So let's get to the other stuff, the stuff from Thursday.
Injuries and snap counts.
Amon-Ross St. Brown hurt his ankle.
Dan Campbell was saying it's not going to be long, long-term,
maybe one to two weeks if we're lucky.
he's going to miss some time.
Amon Rae St. Brown.
So what happened when he left?
Well, Tom Kennedy had a better game.
Well, Tesla caught a touch.
Tom Kennedy played 65% of the snaps.
Isaac Tesla played 92% of the snaps.
Kansas City had some rough news yesterday,
not only losing, but left tackle Josh Simmons
dislocated and broke his wrist
and right tackle, Juan Taylor, hurt his elbow.
Safety, Brian Cook, left with an ankle injury.
I mean, without two tackles
and Plittling Houston next week.
I don't know if we're going to trust Patrick Mahomes.
Baltimore cornerback,
Nate Wiggins, left with a foot injury.
Dallas lost two defensive backs.
Malik Hooker and Duran Blanda injuries.
They're at Detroit next week.
So that's a Thursday game next week,
Dallas and Detroit, right?
I can check.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure they're playing on Thursday.
Green Bay, this is a big one here.
Defensive tackle, Devante Wyatt,
it looks like he's going to be out for the foreseeable future,
if not the season, with an ankle injury.
So Quay Walker missed yesterday's game.
Now, Devante, Wyatt has a broken ankle.
I shouldn't say broken, an ankle injury.
Some Snapshare stuff.
Chase Brown played only 60% of the snaps.
This is a new reality now with Somaget P. Rineback.
It's a split.
Luckily, we had a big role in the passing game for Chase Brown.
Dantavian Wicks, he had a big game.
He only played 49% of the snaps.
They might get Jaden Reed back next week.
Isaiah Pacheco, 30%.
Kareem Hunt, 64% of the snaps.
You have our answer?
Thursday, yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
All right.
So I'm going to, we're going to go game by game here,
but since we obviously have a lot of start sit to get to,
we'll just do one takeaway for each team.
Green Bay 31, Detroit 24.
What's your Packers takeaway?
Yeah, I mean, Detroit's a mess.
The Packers takeaway is that Jordan loved when he is given the opportunities to throw
and be aggressive can be a good fantasy quarterback.
And we need to see more of this.
Yeah, Chicago next, then at Denver, then at Chicago.
So I don't know that we're going to start him.
But yeah, he's had a good year.
I think he reminded us how good he can be.
I think I'm getting a little more confident in Christian Watson.
You probably are as well.
He's 39% started, 76% roster.
How about on the Detroit side?
I mean, obviously Jameson Williams becomes a potential superstar now
because of St. Brown's absence.
So, you know, he burned us once.
And I think a lot of people are hesitant to go back to him this week, understandably so.
But without St. Brown there, like, this is the guy for the Lions.
You're going to pick up Isaac Tesla, but, like, they're decimated.
You know, Leporta done, St. Brown, at least the minimum, week 13.
You hope to get him back for the fantasy playoffs.
But at this point, like, this is Jared Goss guy.
Yeah, it's huge.
JMO was started in 67% of league.
Seven catches, 144 yards, and a touchdown.
And I just think Jemir Gibbs' game.
log last seven games.
7.5 points, 36.8, 5.8, 38.2, 19.6, 55.4.
And then yesterday was, I don't even know, 11-ish.
11 something. Yeah.
Okay. Detroit.
I think just in the case of David Montgomery, you got the touchdown, so you win.
And that's kind of how I feel about Javante Williams.
You know, Dallas 31, Kansas City, 28.
How about this? For the first time since Patrick Mahomes became the starter, the Chiefs
lost a game in which Mahomes threw for four or more touchdowns and no
interceptions. That's per ESPN.
Takeaways, let's start with the Cowboys.
My takeaway, Jamie, is that I'm still not, I started Javante.
I have a lot of Javante.
He was started in 88% of leagues.
I still don't feel great about it, but we did get a little lucky with the touchdown catch.
Yeah, and a crazy play too by Doc how he got him the touchdown.
But I think just this is one of these guys.
And next week's not going to be easy either against Detroit.
This is one of these guys that he gets so many opportunities.
You know, so you're talking about 15 plus touches weekly, sometimes 20 plus touches,
that you can't really say outright sit because there's the potential of something positive happening.
And yes, the passing down work has been somewhat miserable on how he runs his routes and things that go his way in terms of, you know, what he does after the catch.
but this is this is one of these teams like there's such a great offense and he's still the starting
running back i picked up malique davis in a couple leagues um this weekend or this this week
excuse me uh i forgot what day it is i went to bed last night i checked my fantasy basketball league
and i can't believe i lost i thought it was sunday um and uh you just this is one of these teams
you just want to be attached to so uh i feel like um um i feel like um
Not to go on a tangent, but last year at this point was kind of when I was like,
I really want to see the Bengals make the playoffs.
I want to see the Cowboys make the playoffs.
They're just fun to watch.
Yeah, they are.
And I think just in the case of Giovante Williams, he's just a number two running back
that you just have to start and take your chances with.
Dave, giving me some snap counts here.
Javante played 78% of the snaps 11 of 16 on 3rd down.
That's just a great, great role.
He's had a tough schedule.
You know, it's a shame.
And next week, like Jamie said, will be no different.
All right, a takeaway for the chiefs here.
Man.
How about the run game?
The run game?
Yeah.
I mean, look, you knew it was going to be not the easiest thing for Kareem Hunt
because this Dallas run defense is now good.
They're not a pushover anymore.
You know, so you kind of got lucky with Kareem Hunt with the long reception,
the only reception, 22 yards, because 14 for 58 wasn't going to get it done.
But look, this was a tough spot.
You know, 30-year-old running back coming on a short week after 30 carries and then facing this defense, like, especially when they got behind, like, it wasn't going to be the easiest game.
You need, you need Kareem Hunt to fall into the end zone.
You know, that's just kind of the running back that he is at this point.
Yeah, I just don't know.
I mean, he played most of the snaps.
And Picheko, I think I said 30% of the snaps.
I wonder what the split looks like next week against Houston.
But again, it's Houston.
I just wonder, I mean, how many starts to Kelsey?
And okay, how many guys are you going to feel good start next week against Houston?
I mean, you're starting Rashi Rice, no matter who they're playing, whether he's a number one or number two receiver for you.
You're starting Travis Kelsey unless you just have a great tight end on your bench, you know, so we'll see what happens with Joanne Johnson.
And I say great, a good tight end, you know, Joanne Johnson or Dalton Schultz or maybe Ronda Gadsden, you know, these type of guys that you picked up along the way and you feel more comfortable with them.
I get it, but you're probably still starting Kelsey.
And I'm going to guess, depending on what the, you know, not looking at the slate yet,
but what happens and who else you have?
Mahomes will probably still be in the top 15 quarterbacks.
All right.
And that's it for that game.
Cincinnati, 32, Baltimore, 14.
Baltimore only had the ball for 21 minutes and 14 seconds.
Cincinnati for 38 minutes and 46 seconds.
We alluded to it earlier, but if you missed it, Isaiah likely fumbled going into the end zone.
That cost him and Lamar Jackson six points.
Zay Flowers had an iffy.
Offensive pass interference penalty that took away a long touchdown.
I thought it was probably a good call.
I think it really did help, but it was pretty iffy.
And then Walker dropped a deep ball inside the five-yard line.
So it could have been a decent game for Lamar Jackson.
But at the same time, he is not looking great.
He's making some bad throws.
He doesn't seem to be running as effectively right now.
And another stat from ESPN.
Three straight games without a touchdown pass, longest streak of his career.
first time he's gone four straight games
with a completion rate under 60%.
All right.
This game maybe deserves more
than like two, three minutes here
because there's a lot of storylines coming out.
But what stands out to you in Cincinnati and Baltimore?
Well, I mean, for Cincinnati,
clearly getting Joe Burrow back is great to see.
Not that Joe Flacco was doing horrible things.
The last two weeks for him were bad,
but you know what the offense looked like
when he first took over,
and now that you have Joe Burrow back
is capable of the same thing.
So I know I was a big,
Josha's guy. We got lucky that he scored a touchdown. It was only catch. I thought Mike
Keseki would be a little bit more involved. He wasn't. But you alluded to this. You know,
Somaget P. Ryan back, that was something we were concerned about. And I think you have to be
a little bit concerned. You know, so Chase Brown's ceiling is now a little bit lower. The fact that
he was involved in the passing game still was good. So it's not going to be that stretch of just,
I think, said it and forget it for Chase Brown. That said, he's kind of in a similar situation
to Giovante Williams. He's the lead running back.
on a great offense.
You're going to want to start him more times than not.
And I'll go back to what I said about the Cowboys.
I want to see the Bengals in the playoffs again.
Oh, yeah.
You know, and if Buffalo wins, then they're two games out of the division, which is nuts.
If what if they win in Buffalo?
No, if Buffalo beats Pittsburgh this weekend.
Oh, oh, oh.
They are two games back of the Steelers and the Ravens.
We're still playing Baltimore one more time.
So this is going to be.
fun. And, you know, we saw them get hot last year at the end of the season, different scenario
this year. And let's give their defense credit. This is now two weeks in a row where they've played
much better. They held New England in check last week. Clearly what they did against Buffalo or
Baltimore turning them over. I'm sure a lot of it is more about what Baltimore is doing than necessarily
Cincinnati. But they are playing better. And now if they're playing with a lead, you know,
we saw them blow a few leads, but if they play with a lead with Burrow, maybe a little bit different
story. So I'm certainly encouraged by, you know, what Burrow looked like. There was a lot of
questions. They could not score touchdowns early in the game. I mean, the red zone officially,
I think at one point they said he was one of nine. From a clean pocket, I believe. Yeah, no,
he, I mean, obviously it's a good defense. The Ravens are tough, but they just couldn't get anything
open. And no T. Higgins on top of that. But you have a number one quarterback again in
Joe Burrow. And, you know, eventually T. Higgins will be back and we'll see what everything looks
like yeah and people were saying like chase brown had seven catches it's true i think they ran 80
plays or something like that so they ran a lot of plays t higgins did not play maybe that contributed
but p ryan was the third down back peerine also fumbled in the game then he came back in but he
did fumble uh was really good played defensively by baltimore there and amazing like just
just amazing that another tight end had a big game imagine if isaiah likely the scores on that play
how bad this team is against tight ends safe flowers had seven targets he usually
usually does well when he gets seven targets.
This was a horrible game for him.
Two catches, six yards, long touchdown callback, plus a fumble.
Frustrating stuff.
And, yeah, I think, you know, hopefully Lamar Jackson gets kind of a mini buy here and gets healthy.
But we'll see where he's ranked next week against Pittsburgh.
Also, one good thing for Chase Brown is they do have Baltimore again.
He just had a good game against Baltimore.
It's pretty clear.
He's running well, and the offensive line is doing good things.
But three of his next four games are Buffalo, Miami, and Arizona.
So great schedule for Chase Brown.
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News and notes.
Jackson Darts, good to go.
C.J. Stroud is good to go.
Aaron Rogers practiced in full, but we still don't know if he will play.
Baker Mayfield has a chance to play.
He got in a limited practice.
Jamie, what do you make of Daniel Jones and his fractured leg?
And is this making you downgrade the past catchers even more against Houston?
I mean, it sounds like he played through it last week.
So we'll find out, you know, just the extent of what he's going to look like this week.
I do not want to start a lot of the Colts anyway at this point.
And I'm curious, you know, we really haven't had an update on Anthony Richardson and where he's at.
So if Jones has to sit, you know, what does this passing game look like?
really the guys you're worried about
based on their start percentage
are Tyler Warren and Michael Pittman
because Alec Pierce is a borderline starter at best
and Josh Downs has been dropped
in a lot of leagues understandably so
so hopefully Daniel Jones continues to get those guys
the ball. Pitman came through in a tough matchup
last week with the touchdown
but yeah I think you have to be a little bit concerned
about what this could look like moving forward.
All right running back, Tray Benson and Amari DiMercato
missed practice. So Benson practiced Wednesday
mispractice Thursday.
Zonovan Knight was limited.
We'll talk about that game later.
And just in the case of Benson,
he has yet to get a full practicing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And Alvin Camara missed practice.
Again, Devin Neal was limited.
We're expecting it, Neal to go.
Sequin Barclay is good to go.
O'Mary in Hampton, we still don't know
if he's going to play.
Bucky Irving practiced in full.
Ken Walker still limited.
Should be fine.
And Ash and Gentie's good to go.
Wide receiver, Marvin Harrison, Jr., remained limited.
Terry McClureen practice in full.
We're going to preview those two games later.
Devante Smith is good to go.
Drake London, doubtful.
Chris Olave has back spasms.
He's day-to-day.
He left practice Wednesday.
Missed practice Thursday.
Chris Olave hopefully gets back on the field today and hopefully plays at Miami.
Jalen Waddle, good to go.
Elic Isle Manor remains limited.
Brian Thomas Jr. practice in full.
So we talked about this game on Wednesday night or Thursday's episode.
Brian Thomas Jr. probably going to play, I think you'd have to say.
point, Jamie. So your thoughts there with the Jacksonville passing game at Tennessee?
I think you got to treat them all as number three receivers. You know, so downgrade Jacobi
Myers and Parker Washington and not necessarily want to trust in full Brian Thomas Jr.
And Brent Strange has to be dropped a little bit in the rankings as well. So great for Trevor
Lawrence. I just wonder what version of Brian Thomas we're going to get. You know, hopefully this
is a good finish for him. And we see what we saw last year. But it's a crowded receiving court now
with the addition of Myers.
I know it was Travis Hunter,
but still,
you know,
this is what was a problem for him
based on what we saw last year.
You brought this up in the preseason
and it clearly was an issue.
Everything he did last year,
for the most part,
was without Evan Angram and,
um,
dying me around, right?
And Kirk.
Oh,
Christian Kirk, sorry.
Yeah.
I was trying to think who was the second guy there.
So yeah,
so it's,
uh,
I don't know how much you want to just,
you know,
run back to Brian Thomas at this point.
Brian Thomas Jr. has one game all year with more than 12 PPR fantasy points. That is unbelievable. And I am almost positive the Seahawks were missing three starters in their secondary that week. And they, I remember watching the tape. They were so bad defensively. That is this only game with more than 12 PPR fantasy points. Yowsers.
He's, I know he's been hurt. So, you know, how much you want to factor that in. But in terms of like non-season ending injury, he's candidate for the biggest bus theater.
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
And tight end news.
Dalton Kincaid was limited, so that was good.
Maybe he can play.
Chig O'Concoe missed practice.
Does make Gunnar Hell maybe a little more interesting.
Or, you know, it even makes shimmery decay a little more interesting.
Yeah, yeah.
Oconco's been missing practice the last several weeks, but then showing up on Friday.
Okay.
So, or limited and missing.
I shouldn't say he's missed every practice, but something to keep an eye on there for sure.
And Darren Waller limited.
Minnesota, both of their
offensive lineman
Darisaw and Jackson
mispractice again.
They're at Seattle.
Good luck.
Again, it looks like
the bills might be
without both tackles.
They're definitely going to be
without their right tackle.
Maybe Dawkins can get back.
And that's about it.
Defensively, the Bears game today,
they're getting those two
defensive backs back today,
but the linebackers are a total mess.
Ernest Jones, Seattle's
little linebacker, he practiced in full.
Probably leave it there.
Oh, this is a big one here.
Max Melton for the Cardinals, starting cornerback.
He's missed some time this year.
He left last week.
He missed practice.
They're at Tampa Bay.
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Top four teams make it, number one seed gets a buy, teams two through four.
They set a lineup, highest score moves on to week 15.
Wait, this is week 13, right?
Yeah.
Moves on to weeks 15, plays the number one seed.
Whoever wins the division in week 15, there are going to be 24 division winners.
They compete in week 16.
and then a number of them move on to week 17,
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Do you think it's, and I know how I would answer this,
but because we're starting the playoffs with teams still on a buy.
Yeah.
Would it be better?
And you shouldn't change this,
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as opposed to starting the playoffs in week 14?
I don't think so.
Something to talk about for next year,
because last year, this wasn't really a big deal,
was there was, the teams that were on a buy were garbage.
This year, it's, it's different.
It stinks, you know.
But that's why if you're the number one seed and you just win the regular season in your
division, you get that buy in week 14 and you don't have to deal with that.
If you're a two through four seed, well, you know, like, you're thankful that you're
even have a chance.
But maybe we can figure out a solution.
It does stink to have a buy in week 14, but there's, I don't think playing in week
18 is a good idea. I think week 18 is garbage.
No, I'm with you. I would have done it the same way. But, like, we're getting more and more teams
not necessarily, not as many. You'd have more teams on a buy in week 14 than I think you're
going to have teams sitting, resting guys in week 18.
How many of we haven't abide for?
Yeah, San Francisco, New England.
Giants. Giants.
And what, there's got to be four. It's never going to be three.
Yeah. I would challenge that. I think there will be more than 14.
team's resting players, probably a lot more than four teams resting players in week 18.
Maybe not a lot, but more.
Or, you know, at least for part of the game, right?
That's the frustrating one.
It's like, oh, they're going to play half the game.
All right, let's go to one question for each game.
And we start with Arizona at Tampa Bay.
Ameca Abuka has struggled in four of his last five games.
Can we trust a Mecca Abuka?
I think you just have to treat him as a number two receiver because it's not just a meca
Bucca struggles, it's the quarterback situation.
You know, so Baker-Mayfield playing at less than 100% or Teddy Bridgewater, and you hope if
it's Bridgewater, we get the Jacoby Brissette type of performance or the James Winston
type of performance of just hopefully having some success as a veteran guy and, you know,
building up his receivers.
I mean, it certainly happened in Arizona.
So I think you just downgrade him to a number two guy.
Like, I know for me, I was ranking him pretty consistently as a top 10 guy.
And now he's right around like wide receiver 1516.
So that's with Bridgewater?
That's with, yeah, TBD at quarterback.
Well, it's got to change, right, if it's Bridgewater or Baker?
I don't think so, because you have a less than healthy,
you have a less than 100% Baker Mayfield and you have a backup quarterback.
It would change for me.
I mean, it's hard to sit a Bucca, but gosh, I did not think Teddy Bridgewater
looked very good last week.
That's why I mentioned the Max Meltton.
injury for Arizona. They've been pretty good against wide receivers, you know, at times.
More like not the must start guys. All right, anyway, Denver at Washington, start them all, sitem all?
I don't know if you can say Denver is a startem all, but there are more starts for Denver than there are for Washington, yes.
Not Ingram. I wouldn't say that. Here's one, Sutton or Abuka? I'm still Abuka, but I can
understand if you want to go Sutton. Yeah, all right. Minnesota's at Seattle. Justin Jefferson or
Ken Walker.
Ken Walker.
Jefferson or Sutton, Abuka?
I think I have it, Abuca, Jefferson, Sutton.
Rams at Panthers.
We have a wild card with Brosmer.
Is it Brosmer or Brosmer?
Brousmer.
Brousmer.
We have a wild card here.
You know, so he may be the, you know,
Thomas in our chat on Wednesday or Thursday,
put in that he's Nick Mullins.
You know, like he's that type of quarterback.
And if he's just more competent than J.J. McCormick.
Garthy, like Justin Jefferson may go off if he gets his nine targets.
He's only thrown eight pass attempts, and I watched them all.
And if you have an A-dot under seven, you know, air yards per pass attempt, under seven,
you're getting low.
If it's under six, it's, whoa, super low.
On eight pass attempts, Max Brosmer's A-dot, his air yards for pass attempt, is 0.1 yards.
So that means, and it was a lot of checkdowns, running backs, tight ends, guys out of the backfield.
I'd never make too much of eight pass attempts, but I thought that was amazing.
Like, he just wasn't going through his progression, just getting the ball out quickly,
what you'd expect from a guy with no experience.
Well, and let's be fair here.
He's going into a very difficult place to play without his offensive line.
Yeah, it's tough.
All right, Rams are at the Panthers.
Start or sit, Tedderoa and McMillan.
Start, number two receiver.
Jefferson or McMillan?
Jefferson.
I got a tough question from my nephew.
Devante Smith or McMillan?
Devante Smith.
Okay. I said McMillan, but I didn't feel great about it.
Rams, sorry, Saints are at Miami.
Why not start Devin Neal?
Because the Saints running back
has not been great the majority of the season,
and the Dolphins' run defense has been better of late.
all right
Atlanta is at the Jets
starter sit
Breast Hall
start
yeah I feel like
this week
running back's pretty
interesting this week
because you've got
guys that you're kind of hoping
like the Trevion
RJ Harvey they could have big weeks
they also haven't been great
as rushers
but you know
you got like a lot of
RB2s that make us a little nervous
because running back is what it is
but Breece Hall I feel like
is someone
going to have a hard time sitting
yep right
okay
All right, let's go.
Let's get to it.
Arizona's at Tampa Bay.
So how do you see this playing out offensively for Arizona?
All right.
So we'll go through the quarterback's easy.
I think you just treat Jacoby Reset as a top 10 quarterback.
He's been 20 or more, 20 points or more in every start for Kyler Murray and now may get Marvin Harrison Jr.
So that could only be a great situation for him.
So regardless, Marvin, no Marvin, you're starting him.
In the case of the backfield.
If Benson plays, I think you treat him as a low-end number two running back, high-end flex.
If Benson is out and it's Zahneman Knight Michael Carter again, I think you treat Knight as a high-end flex.
If Knight is out and Di Mercado's out and Michael Carter is the guy, and this is the guy you should probably go pick up now at this point, if Michael Carter is the guy, then you treat him as a low-end number two running back.
So there's plenty of potential here.
This Tampa Bay run defense has been very up and down throughout the course of the season.
I don't think Michael Carter is great, clearly.
But anytime you're talking about 15 plus touches, it's hard to ignore that.
Yeah.
So just keep an eye on the injury report there for the backfield.
In the case of the receivers, this is where it gets tricky.
Because if Marvin Harrison comes back, he was clearly the alpha, Michael Wilson and Greg Dorch,
because you can't leave him out.
But both guys, their best games were sub-10 PPR points for the season, 9.1 and 9.9.
9.1 for Wilson was his best game in the first 10 games, whatever it was, nine games.
Um, for Dorcia was 9.9, both with one touchdown each. Now, most of that obviously was
with Kyler, but it's hard to say that they're safe. That being said, we've seen Jacoby
reset, 44 pass attempts or more in four of six starts. So he is throwing the ball a ton. And you
would anticipate that against Tampa Bay, which has been bad against wide receivers. So I think if you're
just looking at it, okay, there've been two guys in the two starts without Marvin Harrison that have been
great. Fifteen targets for Dorch, obviously what Michael Wilson has done. I can't imagine that
both guys just disappear, and it's just Marvin Harrison and Trey McBride. So you said earlier,
you're probably going to still start Michael Wilson through receiver leagues. I highly recommend that,
but don't be surprised if he goes from 33 targets, I think it was, in the two starts,
31 targets in the two starts, to maybe just a guy.
and not a must-star guy.
So there's a lot at play here with what's happening with the Cardinals.
And to me, again, I think it's probably the toughest decision
and situation to monitor at this point,
more so than even a lot of the injuries.
Okay, so I want to talk about the past volume here
because this is something that I'm starting to learn
that it's not as predictable as we'd like.
And I think about the 49ers and the Chargers.
At one point this season, the 40-liners and the Chargers were the most pass-heavy teams in the NFL.
They were throwing 40 times a game, and it looked great for their receivers for everybody from fantasy.
But that stuff fades.
So Jacobi Brissette, in his six starts, he is on pace for 5,357 yards, 31 touchdowns, 9 interceptions.
He's averaging 7.2 yards per attempt.
Kyler Murray was averaging 6 yards per attempt.
So it's been an amazing upgrade for them in that regard.
But 7.2 yards per attempt is about average.
His touchdown rate is 21st since he became the starter.
But he's averaging 43 and a half pass attempts.
Why are they throwing so much?
Well, they can't run the ball.
They are one in five, I believe, in those games.
Yeah, they're one and five.
In the one game that they won, that Dallas game,
he threw 31 passes.
So to me, I think that the Bridgewater Baker thing matters to me.
maybe not to you as much
but I think Baker gives
obviously the Bucks
a much better chance
to score points
and Arizona
if they're not giving up
a ton of points
if they might actually win this game
if Bridgewater goes out
and has a bad game
then you might not get
43 past attempts
you might get 35 or something like that
and that's a big deal
when now we're starting to talk about
we need all these targets
for these guys here
so that's just something
that's been on my mind
eventually they're not going to keep
throwing 43 and I think of it
like Joe Flacco
like Joe Flacco was throwing a ton
and then all of a sudden he just hasn't been.
Game scripts go differently and whatnot.
So anyway, that's just kind of where I'm coming out.
I'm like a little nervous about it.
But there's not much you can do.
I know it was an overtime game,
but they were winning the Jacksonville game
and he was still throwing the ball a ton.
Yeah, I know.
I think the other part is that they have no run game.
The two previous games, they got blown out.
But last week, to me, was they can't run the ball
and their best chance to win is Jacoby-Rasette.
Yeah, they can't run the ball.
I mean, that's the big deal.
So if Benson plays, maybe they can run the ball a little bit better here.
But, all right, you're going to need a lot of pass attempts.
You've been getting it.
It's not the, it's not the best thing to bank on, but you've been getting it.
So anyway, I think you laid it out pretty well.
I can't see a game where they're competitive, and he's under 35 attempts at this one.
Yeah.
I just don't know if it's going to be 45 because you've been just getting included a past Lager.
That's a huge deal.
And just in analyzing the receivers, like, I'm going to,
go right back to Marvin Harrison as a number two receiver. I think in the case of if this had been
four straight games for him and we're seeing this, he'd be top 10, easy. Right. You know, if he's getting
certainly the target volume that Michael Wilson is getting. But you just treat him as a starter. The question
becomes is how much do you still trust Michael Wilson? And, you know, that's going to come down probably
to Wilson versus a hundred other guys. And, you know, we can answer them until we're blue in the face.
We're just not going to know. All right. So over to the buck side, if Baker Mayfield plays, where would
you rank him uh outside the top 12 like i can't trust him okay would you he's been dad he's not
100 percent the cardinals however they're getting it done they do not give up big points to
opposing quarterbacks the last two have in the case of brock purdy and trevorrence
purdy i think you know looking at it you got lucky with the touchdowns because 200 yards passing
and three touchdowns not that's 200 yards passing not what you look for from a great fantasy
performance you got the three touchdowns and Trevor Lawrence was as lucky as you get because
three turn three interceptions and still three three touchdowns so they've given up a six touchdowns
to the last two quarterbacks but Baker just has not looked good now granted that's three tough
opponents it was three games on the road much different scenario but I don't want to say he's a
guaranteed start like I would start just to the guys who haven't played yet I'd start dart over
him I would start Trevor Lawrence over him it'd probably be close between him and Sam Darnel okay
And you and Dave have some faith in Bucky Irving.
Heath does not.
I mean, you guys are like 20 spots.
Heath's just saying, I think he's not going to play that much.
I don't want to start Bucky Irving.
And, you know, the offensive coordinator comment about, you know,
what the snap count, snap share workload could be for him makes a lot of sense.
You know, do they want to rush him back?
They are a weird, they're in a weird spot because they are most likely going to
the division and if you're the bucks which could play into baker's decision you want to make sure
you're going to beat the falcons still you're going to beat the panthers still i believe they have
three games against those two teams combined and if they just win those games they win the division
yeah but the panthers are right behind them no no no no listen they have to win but they i think
realize like this game versus health and making sure that they're ready to
to go when it really matters is probably on their minds.
And I'm not saying that they're going to, you know, make those, we're not playing him
because of we don't want to win this game.
You know, that's not the answer.
I'm probably babbling at this point.
But I think in the case of Buck, you treat him as a low and number to high end flex.
Like I know in the two leagues I have him, I'm starting him.
Okay.
Well, would you start him over a Cardinals running back?
The only way I would not start him over Cardinals running back is if Tray Benson gets in a full
practice today or everybody's out and it's just Michael Carter.
Okay.
I think Zonovan Knight's going to play.
I mean, he's limited.
It sounds like.
Yeah.
All right.
Okay.
So I got some chat.
Oh, sorry.
Abuka, you already talked about earlier.
I think he's 15thish for you.
And Kate Otten's starter sit.
He's a low end starter still.
You know, I think based on the, um, the, the situation, whether it's, you know,
Baker, uh, limited Baker or a, uh,
a backup in Bridgewater, he'll still get probably seven or eight targets.
What about Chris Goblin, Tess Johnson?
Can't trust him.
Can't trust this.
All right, I've got some questions here.
If Marvin Harrison Jr. is healthy, can I start both him and Michael Wilson over Debo Samuel?
I don't know if I'd want to go that route, but you can make a case that based on volume, they're both better than Debo.
Abuka or
Evan Neal
I'm still Abuka
Evan Neal
Michael Wilson or
Jacob Meyers
No no no
I was
I said his name wrong
Oh I'm sorry
Abuka
Michael Wilson or Jacoby Myers
Yeah this is
This is where we are
You know so you have
Brian Thomas Jr. back
And maybe Marvin Harrison back
Like I'm gonna lean
toward the volume
of what I think
Michael Wilson will still get
Yeah and it's an easy call
If Harrison's out
Let's see
Michael Wilson
Or Justin Jefferson
half PPR.
So Harrison out.
It's clearly
Wilson's for me.
Harrison and I would go
with Jefferson.
Greg Dorch
or Michael Pittman.
So again,
if there is
Marvin Harrison in,
it would be Pittman.
If there's Marvin Harrison out,
I'd go Dorch.
Sean Tucker or Devin Neal.
I'd go Neal.
And that's it.
All right.
Break here.
You're not going to start a DST,
are you?
I would prefer not to.
But Cardinals, if it's Bridgewater, might not be awful.
They've been great and decent to great in three of their last four games.
All right, we're going to take a break and come back with Denver and Washington after this on fantasy football today.
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Welcome back. Denver's at Washington.
All right, I think I gave this stat yesterday.
Stout of the game, Troy Franklin, eight or more targets in five straight games.
Eight wide receivers have had eight or more targets against Washington,
and then six of those eight have had big games, 16.8 or more PPR fantasy points.
So my question for you in this is, Bo Nix, let's check the updated rankings.
Bo Nix, 13th for you, 14th for Dave, ninth for Heath.
You look at his season.
When he has had this type of matchup, we consider Washington to be a great matchup.
He has not had a good game.
He's had an amazing game.
30 points against Cincinnati,
44 against the Giants,
32 against Dallas and 6 points per pass and touchdown leagues.
Why not more faith in Bo Nix?
Where have those games been?
I guess at home.
All three at home.
Okay.
All right.
And so here's my concern,
is that he can easily have a good game here.
This is not, by no means,
should you be sitting Bo Nix if he's your only quarterback.
And I think that this was,
was a pretty interesting week for quarterbacks.
And so far of at least two guys I have ranked out of him,
one did great in Burrow and one stunk in Lamar Jackson.
But I don't think anybody was starting Bo Nix over Lamar Jackson against the Bengals,
no matter who Bo Nix was playing.
I don't think this is a game where he's going to have to have these fourth quarter
heroics, which is kind of, certainly was the case in the Giants game.
I also think that this is a game where they can get their run game going.
Washington is almost identical in the fantasy.
production that they give up to each position quarterback and running back it's like 28 fifth
fourth worst so this should be a game you get rj harvey going and not have to throw the ball as much
you like that being said this is probably a 30 past temp game for bonix and he could still come
through for his receivers so i like his receivers i think both courtland sutton and troy franklin are
borderline number two receivers um can't say with any confidence that you should start one and one over
the other. If you're going to lean on one, it's probably Franklin. I think this is a get-right game
for Sutton, though. So I like both. But I think just in the case of, like, my favorite
Broncos this week, RJ Harvey is number one. I wish I had something smart to say about Cortland Sutton,
but I really don't, except I would say that he really has not had a very good target share all
year, even when he was playing well. It's about 20%. And you just want more than that from a reliable
receiver. I think you want that to be 22%
or higher. That's just a number I'm throwing out
there. It could be wrong. But
I started him over Jameson Williams.
Of course, I didn't know I'm on Rossin-Brown was going to
be knocked out. I had a rank that way.
You did? Okay. So I'm hopeful here, but
do you have like Franklin better?
I have them essentially back to back.
Like 23, 24 range
right there. You know, just kind of
more on hope for a sudden
at this point. It's coming off their by,
thinking that they're going to try and get him involved a little bit more.
The secondary is bad. So
both guys should have a chance to play well here.
But again, I don't think this is a high volume
pass attempt game for Bo Neck.
So that's a little bit of a concern.
We're going to sit Evan Ingraham.
I do have some RJ Harvey Harvey questions.
Why don't we go to those right now?
RJ Harvey or Trayvion Henderson?
I have them in a similar range.
I have Harvey like one or two spots ahead.
RJ Harvey or Rico Dowdell?
I think I have Harvey one spot ahead.
Harvey or Breeze Hall?
Paul.
Bo Nix or Sam Darnold?
Bo Nix or Caleb Williams?
Bo Nix.
All right.
Hopefully you hear this, for those of you making that decision, before that game starts.
If I said Caleb Williams.
What did you say?
If not, then I said Caleb Williams.
There you go.
On the other side of the ball, look, Mariotta hasn't been bad, but not against Denver.
We're not starting them.
No.
Chris Rodriguez or Bucky Irving
I'd go Bucky
Chris Rodriguez or
let's say
Trey Benson's out and Zonovan Knight plays
I'd go Zonovan Knight plays
I don't want to trust Rodriguez
in this spot like their
run defense is very good
they're getting Singleton back
it's a it's a touchdown or a bus guy
you know so they get down inside the five
he's going to get his chances
and he scored in two of his last three games
when they started to feature him a little more
so that certainly can happen.
But you saw even in a good matchup what the downside is.
He has one catch on the season, and it was against Miami, their last game.
So one for six.
Like, there's nothing to save him without a touchdown.
Yeah, all right, it's tough.
A lot of people pick them up, and I don't blame you.
But I just don't know when you're going to feel comfortable starting Chris Rodriguez.
At least have been running well.
All right, so let's talk about the Washington passing game, the wide receivers in the tight ends,
because we're expecting Terry McLaurin to play.
He's been practicing it full.
But we're also expecting Alex Singleton.
back for Denver, a great linebacker, and we're expecting Pat Sertan back for Denver.
So McLaurin and Debo and Zach Ertz, what do you think?
I would sit them all.
You know, Dave, or I'm sorry, Heath made a good case for Debo in how they'll probably use him
and, you know, short throws, keep him away from Sartan.
But this defense just does not give up production to wide receivers.
You know, it's not just because of Sertan.
They're just very good.
And I think Mario is going to be in trouble based on the pass rush.
And so now you have a target share problem because of McCorn back on the field.
So the last two games that Debo and McCorn played together, Kansas City, and I believe it was Las Vegas, he wasn't good.
He was under five PPR points in both of those.
So, like, I don't want to trust this against this matchup.
Yeah.
Man, we're just really just not excited to start the commanders.
I mean, why should you be?
Zach Ertz, I don't even know if you have them ranked.
No.
Dave has him 17th.
Heath, I think, has him 15th.
That was as of yesterday.
And, all right.
Like, I'll just give an example.
If you tell me Chiggo Conquo's out,
I would much rather start Guntherhelm.
Then Zach Hertz.
Yes.
Yeah.
Okay.
I get the whole, like,
oh, they're just going to give a short pass as the Debo Samuel,
but that has not been working for them
other than against the Miami Dolphins.
Denver's DST is a must start.
You know, I'm just getting frustrated here, Jamie.
I'm trying to look something up.
and anything else to say about this game?
Not really.
I mean, Harvey's the one I think a lot of people have some questions on.
We answered through those.
To me, it's a great matchup.
He played 61% of the snaps last time we saw him.
And that was against Kansas City, he struggled.
But I think this is a game where he gets 15 plus touches.
And you mentioned a few of those matchups.
Harvey is one of his best games was that Bengals game.
Yeah. Sorry. I can think you can tell I'm not listening.
All right. Well, anyway, I'm trying to look up some cool metric about target per route run rate,
but I can't do it successfully, so you will not get it on the show. I'm sorry.
Let's go to our next game. Minnesota is at Seattle.
Make the case to start any Viking in this game against the Seattle defense.
Their only one really is Jefferson.
And a lot of it is hope, really. It's hope that a quarterback, other than,
then J.J. McCarthy will be competent.
A target share that will still be there.
Chasing points.
I can't trust Addison. He's been bad since McCarthy's arrival, or return, excuse me.
T.J. Hawkinson has been bad with McCarthy the entire season.
So taking on the Seahawks, like even in a great matchup, I can't trust Hawkinson.
You know, for Jefferson, it's just who he is.
And, you know, we're getting to the point where if this is another bad game, I don't have their schedule in front of me.
but if we get these tough matchups,
like you're sitting Justin Jefferson potentially.
It's just been bad.
It's been really tough to trust.
The one thing I could see for Aaron Jones
is what I was talking about earlier with Brosmer
and him just checking down all the time.
And maybe that helps get him some catches.
But Seattle's run defense is so good.
Jones, you know, like last week they were trailing
and they couldn't go to the run game
and he had only nine carries.
So you're just praying that Aaron Jones catches a bunch of passes
and gets you some cheap PPR fantasy points.
Aaron Jones or Zach Charbonnet?
Still Jones.
Aaron Jones or Kamani Vidal if Hampton's out.
Bydow.
Aaron Jones or Cortland Sutton.
Sutton.
And you said you have Sutton.
You have Jefferson ahead of Sutton.
Do you have Jefferson ahead of Franklin?
Yes.
All right.
Let's see.
Anybody in there if you have any?
any
Justin Jefferson questions
or anything from this game
fire away.
On the other side of the ball,
starter sits Sam Darnold.
Low end starter.
You know,
I think we've seen him come through
in positive matchups,
and I think this is a borderline one.
You have the revenge game narrative,
so that's something that you keep an eye on there.
Back in their building,
you know,
I thought he played about last week
against the Titans,
but that wasn't, you know,
any situation to be concerned about,
you know,
They're going to throw a lot of different looks at him clearly.
That's what Brian Flores does, and he's seen this defense plenty of times in practice
or the type of defense that they run.
So I don't think he's a must-start, but he is a borderline number one quarterback.
So in the same range for me as Caleb Williams and Bo Nix and Trevor Lawrence,
and he's behind those guys, but he's right there in terms of not a must-start guy.
If you consider this a tough matchup, which I think I do,
The last three quarterbacks to face Minnesota,
Lamar Jackson, 16.6 fantasy points,
Caleb Williams, 10.3, Jordan Love, 7.1.
Only 21 pass attempts for love.
Sam Donald has not done well in tough matchups.
You know, Arizona, 18.1 fantasy points
and 6.9 fantasy points the second time.
He only threw 12 passes, but he had some turnovers.
Bad game, terrible game against Houston.
Terrible game at the Rams.
he also hasn't really done
he hasn't done poorly in blowouts
but it only has one great game in blowouts
games where they've won by 10 or more points
you know
that was Washington yeah 19.8 points 20.7 points
35.2 points at Washington
one of the best matches.
Right, he used 21 or 24 in that game.
Yeah and 6.9 fantasy points against Arizona
so it's it just doesn't look like the kind of game
you've talked about this a lot.
There's a kind of game where we expect good stuff from Darnold
and this one doesn't remember.
look like it.
But Ken Walker, on the other hand,
you know, Minnesota's run defense,
kind of like Tampa Bay.
Sometimes they're really good.
Sometimes they're not good at all.
But Walker, with the season high,
59.3% route participation rate last week.
That's a big boost.
Got to carry.
So annoyed.
Got to carry at the two-yard line.
Remember I said I missed that.
That ball was so close to the three-yard line.
It was like just inside the three.
But anyway, he did get a carry.
Another carry from the three-yard line are closer.
that's good stuff so how are you feeling about him in general this week number two running back
you know so better than bucky irving i'd say better than kamani vidal if there's no hampton
um better than i think somebody else we just talked about better than devon neal better than
harvey henderson i would start harvey and henderson over him um but you know the the thing that's
encouraging is mike mcdonald came out of came into
week 12 and said going to give him more work and played a season high and snaps and so just keep
that going give him the three catches you know three catches in in back-to-back games is very
encouraging for him so again I think you just got to understand that there's that there's limited
there's a limited ceiling because of Charbonnet and the touchdowns that he loses there but there's
still plenty of potential for him to be a good running back okay and start jSN and that's it we're not
going to start barn or anyone.
Seattle's DST is top two.
Charbonnet, I think you know what you're getting at this point.
There's obviously a chance that they just are dominating possession,
running a lot of plays.
Charbonnet could score.
But, yeah, that's what he is.
All right, if anyone's interested, I want to share something real quick here,
just some advanced metrics.
Is that too?
Should I zoom in, Jamie?
Probably.
All right, let me zoom in.
So we're looking at wide receivers.
There are 89 wide receivers,
with 30 or more targets this year.
Now we're looking at target per route run rate leaders.
JSN, 36.6%.
Why, we look at target per route run rate
and not target share?
Well, if you miss a game,
then your target share goes down.
So this is just when they're on the field,
how often are they being targeted
when they run routes?
If I scroll down,
there are 89 receivers.
If I scroll down to about, where are we?
54.
We get Cortland Sutton.
This is what I was talking about.
Can you see the pointer, Jamie?
Yes.
Okay.
He's at 19%.
That's pretty bad.
The only wide receiver that I see that has a lower target per outrun rate than Cortland Sutton
and is someone that we start in fantasy is T. Higgins, which is also surprising, by the way,
17.8% for Higgins.
Other than that, I mean, we're not really, oh, JMO.
JMO.
Well, that's gone way up, though, for JMO.
It's gone up.
We don't see a lot of guys that were like, oh, we're excited to start him.
So that's the issue with Sutton.
There are a lot of issues, but he's just not being targeted that much.
You see Marvin Harrison Jr.
here, his is also pretty low.
So anyway, that's just some, it's a metric to consider.
Next game, Rams are at the Panthers.
I'm going to call this an irrelevant stat of the game,
but I wish J.C. Horn were playing,
but this team is beat up in the secondary.
He might play, but he's in the concussion protocol.
But their eighth best against quarterbacks,
and Matthew Stafford, believe it or not,
has yet to score more than 18 fantasy points
in tough matchups,
like top 10 against quarterbacks.
But we're going to assume that the Panthers are,
that he's going to...
Who has he faced that's top 10 that's...
Houston, Philadelphia, at Philadelphia,
I put at Baltimore,
because I think they're a tough matchup now,
like they were a tough matchup then,
they were healthy,
and Puka left in that game,
and Seattle.
So Houston at Philadelphia, at Baltimore,
Seattle, he did not score 18 points
in any of those.
games.
That's a road game.
Yeah, but I'm not really worried because you guys aren't either.
He's number one.
Number one of the rankings.
That's, I mean.
Yeah.
The Rams are easy at this point, except for Kyrin.
Kyrin has more than 14 carries in one of his last eight games.
You're starting him.
You're starting him, yeah, but like, he doubt, who's the best running back in this game?
I would still start Kiron over Duttle.
Okay.
How about...
The Rams run defense is just too good.
It is, and the Panthers run defense is not.
All right, look, Kyran probably has to score.
When he doesn't score, he struggles.
When he started having these games with 14 or fewer carries,
yeah, there have been two games where it didn't score.
8.5 fantasy points at Jacksonville,
5.8 against Tampa Bay.
All right, so RJ Harvey or Kyron Williams?
I think I have Kyron one or two spots ahead.
Let's talk about the Panthers here.
I said earlier I have a lot to say about this game,
but let me get your thoughts, and that's surprising,
considering what game it is.
But what are your thoughts on Teterola McMillan?
Let's start with him.
I'm going to guess that based on how this game could go,
we see a high volume of pass attempts for Bryce Young,
which is where we've seen Tedroa and McMillan still be good.
This is a brutal matchup against a very good Rams defense.
That's going to make things uncomfortable for Kyron.
excuse me for Kyron, for Bryce Young.
So McMillan's going to get a lot of attention, understandably so.
The rest of the receiving core is not exactly anything that you fear.
So I'm just hopeful.
You know, the Falcons game is the one you point to and you say, okay, we saw great Bryce Young.
And for the season, the Falcons past defense has been good.
Lately, they have not been great.
So I don't think that compares to the Rams.
That being said, if he can throw the ball a lot, that's going to lead to a lot of target
opportunities and you hope that he comes through. So I'm just treating him as a number two
receiver. Yeah, you said they're going to throw the ball a lot, right? So if you listen to
be on the box, or you said if they throw the ball a lot, you listen to beyond the box score from
two weeks ago after McMillan had a huge game. I'm sitting there going, listen, chill, because
this team does not throw the ball much. That's been holding back to Terrell McMillan.
But I was like, look at their schedule, though. They got San Francisco. They got the Rams.
They got these good offenses. I think they're going to have to start throwing more.
So I was encouraged in that regard. Last week,
What do they do?
They throw 29 times in a 20 to 9 loss.
But what happened in that game?
They ran 43 plays, the Panthers.
They had the ball for 22 minutes and 18 seconds.
They actually had their second highest pass rate of the season.
So I do think that unless you get these weird games where they just don't have the ball,
22 minutes of possession, it's ridiculous.
43 plays should be more like 60, 55 at least, you know.
I think you are going to start seeing them throw more.
And that is what encourages me for Tedderall McMillan,
because he is really good.
Rams are getting a kilo Witherspoon back.
That's not good for him.
But he's good, and if he gets his targets,
it seems like he needs 10,
but his target chair is so high that he might get 10.
And it's hard to sit that, I guess.
McMillan or Jefferson?
Right now it's Jefferson.
How do you look at the Cardinals guys at McMillan?
Wilson or Harrison will be ranked ahead of him.
Not both.
And okay, how are you feeling about Rico Dowdle?
Number two, running back.
I think this is my concern with the Panthers as well,
is that last week, I think Dave Canales did not do a good enough job running the football.
And that plays into the time of possession.
I think that played into them not scoring a touchdown when they're on the one yard line,
first and goal from the one.
I didn't like that play call at all.
and I think we get a little market correction for him
after I think Rico I averaged six yards per carry against the 49ers
so how do you slow down the Rams are you trying to run the ball?
Okay I'm looking for some chat questions here
it was nice that Dowdell got the passing game work too
he had four catches last week he had five or two weeks ago
he had five catches so that's encouraging Chuba Hubbard was the third down back
he mixed in
um okay do I have one
Kairn, Dowdell, or Gentie, sit one?
I currently have Dowdell ranked the lowest.
Scott says, Adam has a Kyran complex.
You do.
I do.
But I think I'm on to something here.
But here's the truth.
I have him in two leagues.
I have not sat him once.
I started him.
I mean, it's hard to say I started him over Giovante Williams
because I had one of them as a running back
and the other one as a flex.
But I would have started him over Javante Williams.
I love the game script here.
I think they're going to win easily.
I think they're going to run the ball effectively.
And I think they're going to, I think he's going to score.
But I think if you don't have a little bit of a Chiron complex, I think you're kind of ignoring his usage.
Because it's just not good enough.
He's essentially splitting, you know, series with a little bit of favoritism there.
And he's lucky he's been scoring.
But I think he's going to score again.
Here's a stupid comment.
I'm glad I didn't listen to you guys talking about playing Lamar because he's playing
the Bengals. Ha, ha, CBS sucks.
Bro, it was Thanksgiving
yesterday and I hope you had a wonderful one.
Did you watch the game? Have you listened to
anything we've said? Lamar Jackson
should have had a pretty good game, even while
playing poorly, because the Bengals
are that bad. Give me a break,
bro. Is this, uh, is that
heats burner?
Teteroa McMillow, because that's a cheap
thing. Tetero, McMillan, or Romodunze
half PPR.
McMillan. I'd love to get some more
McMillan questions in here. McMillan or
Kyron.
Kyrn.
Let's see.
McMill, I'll just do some.
McMillan or Pittman?
McMillan.
McMillan or Tyrone Tracy, PPR.
Tracy.
Oh, I'm sorry.
PPR, I go McMillan.
Denver wide receivers or McMillan?
McMill.
Doudal or McMillan, half PPR.
Dowdell.
If Amari and Hampton starts, would you start Dowdell or Hampton?
I would start Dowell.
All right, start the Rams DST.
Oh, I forgot to mention Colby Parkinson.
Any interest in him?
Not yet, but I think if you certainly are stuck at the position,
which I don't know how many people are this year because it's been so good,
but touchdown in three straight games would not surprise me if he scores again,
but it's just not a lot of targets right now.
Okay, I've got New Orleans at Miami.
Stat of the game.
This is weird.
The dolphins have the seventh highest run rate since week seven.
That's their last five games.
Well, they're three and two in those games.
They've been involved in three blowouts.
They won one and lost one.
But Tua Tua Tuna Vaila has 26 or fewer pass attempts in four of his last five games.
Weird.
Devon A-chan, 20 or more carries in two straight games for the first time in his career.
We could see more of that from the dolphins in this game.
Who do you think, who are the must starts in this game?
New Orleans at Miami.
I think there are four.
There is Devon A. Chan, Jalen Waddle, Chris Olavay, and Jawan Johnson.
Where is Juan Johnson for you?
He's ahead of Kate Otten now, Kyle Pitts.
I believe I have him sixth.
Sixth, wow.
All right.
So start, start Joanne Johnson.
I feel like I'm going to forget to ask.
How do you feel about Taysam Hill?
he's a wild card for two reasons one you could play him at tight end and he's going to
potentially act like a running back if we get both camara and devon kneel out then i will have
a lot of interest in tasonville because then he's probably going to get maybe 20 carries which
will be shot 15 carries i mean he had 10 last week yeah um so there's there's a lot of appeal there
but i still think like you're just he's two touchdown dependent and when
When we've loved Taysam Hill, loved, it's when he's quarterback.
Right, right, right.
All right.
So Tua, starter set.
I do not want to start Tua, but he's right behind Darnold in that range of, you know, low-end starters and deeper leagues.
I do want a roster Tua for two reasons.
One, I think there is a chance for him to play well.
Two, he gets the Jets next week when we have Drake May and Brock Purdy and,
And dart on a buy, you know, so he's a good beat the waiver wire guy if you want to pick him up now because if he does play well, then everybody's going to be chasing him.
But yeah, I think this is one of his better games. It should be, at least, for what the matchup is playing at home.
You know, I thought he's going to play well against Washington also. But like you said, Devon Aitin is just unbelievable.
He's amazing. Yeah.
I was thinking as I was watching Jemir Gibbs yesterday, who's the best running back in the NFL?
If I could start my team with one running back, who would it be?
I don't think I can say A. Chan, but he's up there.
What would your answer be?
For a game or a season?
A season.
A franchise.
Oh, franchise?
I mean, you've got to go young, so it takes McCaffrey out of it.
But I think in the case of, like, you got three candidates for sure.
You got Gibbs, you got A. Chan, you got Bijon, right?
Those would be the three.
Yeah.
Unless you were somehow thinking Gentie or something or Hampton, but yeah.
Yeah, I mean, they're those three.
They're there.
John Taylor still as well.
Yeah.
I think if we were redrafting now, rest of season, A-chan's probably the number one overall pick.
Wow.
Yeah, maybe.
Gibbs is hard to pass up.
I wish Bejohn Robinson were on the Lions.
I feel like we know how good he is, but we don't know how good he is if that makes sense.
Yeah, you know.
If OLAV, I'll get to Devin Neal in a second here.
Olave's top 12, if he doesn't.
play, what would that do? What would you do with rankings and your brain?
I think you, you know, deeper leagues, you look at Mason Tipton and Devon Valet as the next
two guys for the Saints. You know, we're talking the deepest of leagues. Joanne Johnson, I don't
think you can get much higher than where he is right now, you know, so it just, I would really
love the Dolphins DSD. Yeah, true, right. The Dolphins DSD. I like them already, you know, so.
Yeah, they have been, they've also been pretty good, like the Cardinals.
The Dolphins DST has been solid lately against Buffalo, against Washington, at Atlanta.
They were good, too.
They were horrible against Baltimore.
And almost every DST has done well against the Saints.
So you could definitely consider Miami.
All right, Devin Neal and Darren Waller, I guess we could talk about as well.
But where's Devin Neal for you?
Just outside the top 24 and the top 30.
You're encouraged by the passing game work.
And if I remember the stack correctly, Tyler Shuck in his last.
Two starts, 15 targets to his running backs.
Now, seven of those went to Devin Neal last week, so he's throwing to the position.
And again, you know, you're looking at this receiving core that with Alave is bad.
Without Alave, it would be even worse.
So I think you just have to realize, like, there's going to be one other person,
if not two other people, taking touches in this backfield because they're probably going to elevate
Audric Estime.
And so we get Estime and Tastom Hill taking some carries away from him, and they haven't
exactly shown the the uh the want to give neil carries if you recall when kendry miller was healthy
he was getting carries not a lot of work in the passing game neil was kind of taking passing
downs work away from from camara so how much they'll trust them on running downs will be the interesting
part of this but i think in in full ppr and half ppr devon neal has the chance to get you 11 to 12 points
in non-pr you know touchdowns were so bad for this backfield the entire season so i wouldn't necessarily
want to start him there if darren waller plays where will you rank him weller will be a low end number
one guy you know i the the volume was obviously a problem for him when he was healthy but the touchdowns
were great and so that was with tyrie kill on the field so now you have no tyrie kill and
nobody else has really stepped up to help jalen wattle consistently we know we had the two touchdowns
and three games for malik washington but not a lot of volume for him so i think waller is a uh is a good
streamer. You should definitely be picking him up and put him on IR just in case he doesn't play
this week. You have him, you know, for rest of season. But to say he's a must start guy with
what the position looks like, like I'd rather start Schultz. I'd rather start still strange.
I'd rather start. How about Zachertz, who's probably going to get you like eight fantasy points?
I don't have Hertz ranked. So. All right.
I would go Waller. Waller. Okay. How about, see. By the way,
next week, the Panthers are also on a buy.
I should probably just mention that.
Waller or Titans' tight end?
I would go Waller as much as I would like Gunnar Helm without Oconquo.
I'd still go Waller.
Parkinson or Waller?
I don't have a Parkinson ranked, I don't think.
Okay.
If I do, he's in the teens.
Waller would be borderline top 12.
All right, all right, right.
It would be like Waller or K.aten, that type of guy.
Theo Johnson.
I would go Waller.
okay they feel very similar to me see if i have any good ones here dolphins or niners defense
oh i like both uh i probably go niners joan johnson or alec pears
i would go joan johnson joan johnson or gadston joan johnson joan johnson or strange
joan johnson devon neil chakir chakir tyrone tracy ppr shakir
uh let's say it was just the running backs devon neal or tracy Tracy
Dolphins are Niners
You just asked that
I would go
Yeah
Okay
Neil Pollard or Tracy
I will say this though
In regards to the dolphins
If you want to get ahead of your waiver wire
You play the dolphins this week
Against the Saints
And then they get the Jets next week
Throwing Pollard in this mix
Neil Pollard or Tracy
It would be Tracy
Neal skip a lot
Pollard
All right last game here
By the way we do have a mailbag
Later
Just show you now
one of the people participating in the mailbag
texted me last and I won't say who
I'll tell you who was Jamie or Dan
but one of them texted me and said
no mailbag tomorrow right
I said yes mailbag tomorrow
and he said I thought you said no mailbag
I never said that there's definitely a mailbag
yeah you know who that was
of course but I won't say it was Dan
Atlanta's at the Jets
start Bijan
all right
we'll go back to last game
Who would you rather start, Malik Washington or Darno Mooney?
Darno Mooney.
Okay.
Mooney had three targets last week.
Just want to point that out.
All right.
So Mooney.
And it was his best game in the season.
Yeah.
74 yards and a touchdown on three targets at the Saints.
Jets.
You know, the Jets actually have held up fairly well without Sauce Gardner.
But the first game, they made it give up a big game to Judy.
After that.
Who was it after that?
I don't remember.
Well, whatever.
Patriots.
Oh, yeah, Diggs had 105 yards.
Last week, Lamar Jackson struggled a little bit.
But how do you feel about Kyle Pitts?
I can't trust him.
One touchdown on the season.
The last three weeks have been bad.
Last week was a setup we loved for him was Cousins
without Drake London, and he did not do much.
So it's just a shame that he's not.
not performing well.
I know.
It sucks.
I'll make excuses just for fun.
Three games ago at Indianapolis in Germany, he was open in the end zone, panics left it
underthrown.
Two games ago, he had only a 10.3 target share, just a bad game.
Last week, though, 25% target share for Kyle Pitts, but Kirk Cousins only had 23
pass attempts.
There was also a play that could have been a chunk play, but he dropped it or was
knocked out of his hands, I couldn't tell.
So if you are stuck and have to start, I mean, he has had a high target share in most games.
And maybe they, hopefully they throw more than 23 times.
But yeah, it's like, even his good production wasn't that good.
And in any...
I was excited last week because he had nine catches.
He had nine catches for 46 yards.
When I say nine catches, in the setup against Miami was the same as last week without Drake London and cousin starting.
And he had nine targets, nine catches for 46 yards.
Boiler Jam, yes, definitely drop pits for Strange.
And we'll see if I have any more questions for this game,
but Mooney or the second Cardinals receiver?
The second Cardinals receiver.
Mooney or Mechie?
That's a tough one.
I would probably go Mechie.
All right, Drake London, doubtful.
So Mooney with the big role, with the big chance here,
but also no Garrett Wilson.
So Mechie and Mitchell.
Mitchell has had more targets than Mechie, oddly enough, in the last two games.
He just done nothing with it.
He just can't catch.
Yeah.
Metschie has scored 18.5 fantasy points and 13.5 fantasy points at Baltimore and at New England with a touchdown in each game.
And Atlanta's 18th against receivers, they've been struggling a little bit lately.
Seven wide receivers have 83 yards or a touchdown against Atlanta in their last five games, I believe.
I could be wrong about that.
But they've been struggling.
Sorry, I should have had that.
We like Breece Hall quite a bit.
So start Breece Hall.
I don't really think there's much else here.
I mean, we get to a little more.
Like, would you start at this point with Daniel Jones having a broken leg?
Would you start Mechie or Mooney over Michael Pittman?
No.
Okay.
And this could be an Algerian game, too.
All right.
Just looking for some chat questions here for this very boring game.
You got one, Mooney, Charbonnet, or Pollard.
Mooney, Charbonnet, or Pollard?
Ooh, in full PPR, I'm going to go with Mooney.
I would too.
Then you also have one, Mr. Viper, says,
Mechie, Mitchell, or melancholy.
Mechie or Mitchell?
Melancholy.
Yeah.
Oh, oh, I get it.
It's not even a question.
It's the state of the Jets receivers.
How about Darnell Mooney, Quinton, Johnston.
or, okay, we're definitely going to go Marvin Harrison,
Jr. if active, but
Mooney or Quinn Johnson's an interesting one.
I would go with Quentin Johnson in the upside.
Tyler, Algeria, Breece Hall.
Okay, we're going Breece Hall here.
All right, I think that's it.
If you have any more questions,
you like a DST in this game, by the way?
I do know.
The Falcons.
They were good last week.
Okay.
I'll answer this one just for fun.
Kairn Williams or A.J. Brown.
I thought you're going to answer it.
I'll have you answer it.
I would go with Kairn.
It's probably the right way to go.
It's probably the right way to go.
All right, folks.
Thank you so much for tuning in.
Pretty cool that you're spending this holiday
with us, you know.
Yeah, we appreciate it.
All right.
Last one.
There's a Cousins one.
Mariotta, Cousins, Sanders.
Shavarra Sanders, pick two in Superflex.
Yeah, I'm sitting same.
Take care, everybody.
We will talk to you on the mailbag.
Even Dan.
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Have a great weekend.
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