Fantasy Football Today - Start or Sit (NFC); Important Weather Updates! (10/30 Fantasy Football Podcast)
Episode Date: October 30, 2020What the heck happened to the Panthers offense? We recap the Thursday night game and tell you if Curtis Samuel is worth adding and how much value Mike Davis has to the Christian McCaffrey manager. The...n we'll update you on the nasty weather that could affect your lineup decisions as meteorologist Kevin Roth of RotoGrinders joins us (9:45) to discuss what he says is the worst week of weather he can remember seeing ... News and notes (18:50), fun stats that may or may not matter (25:50) like Mike Evans's history vs. James Bradberry, "Beat the Waiver Wire!" (30:00) and the Startometer (32:45) for TB-NYG, DAL-PHI and MIN-GB ... Start or Sit for Colts-Lions (37:05), 49ers-Seahawks (48:15), Saints-Bears (55:04), Bucs-Giants (1:02:00), Cowboys-Eagles (1:06:30), Vikings-Packers (1:12:00) ... Email us at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com Listen to the brand new Fantasy Football Today in 5 podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-in-5/id1528634304 'Fantasy Football Today' is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Google Podcasts, Castbox, and wherever else you listen to podcasts. Follow the new FFT Twitch channel: https://www.twitch.tv/FFToday Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @BenSchragg Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCviK78rIWXhZdFzJ1Woi7Fg/videos Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Yeah, weather's going to be a big deal, and we're going to have an interview for the audio portion.
I don't think it'll be on the video portion.
Sorry about that.
But for the audio portion of the podcast, we're going to have an interview with meteorologist Kevin Roth of Roto Grinders.
What's up, Dave?
Yo, what's going on, Adam?
What's up, Jamie? What's up, Dave? Yo, what's going on, Adam? What's up, Jamie?
What's up, buddy?
Oh, well, you know,
a little disappointed about last night's game.
What was disappointing for you?
Calvin Ridley getting hurt.
Mike Davis not doing anything.
Curtis Samuel scoring multiple touchdowns.
Yeah.
Teddy Bridgewater failing to play well against the Falcons.
Yeah.
Which one?
It's all the greatest hits, Jamie.
Yeah, no, it stunk.
I mean, it was a good.
Julio was good.
I don't have Julio Jones in any of my leagues.
No, I do have him in the Scott Fish Bowl.
That's right.
So, yeah, it was disappointing.
Carolina had the ball for 23 minutes.
So, can't do much when that happens.
And Ridley, thankfully, x-rays were negative,
and they're hopeful that Ridley can play next week.
I'm going to guess he doesn't because their bye is week 10.
You always say that, but sometimes they actually do play before their bye.
Yeah, I mean, I hope he does.
But, you know, whenever there's a bye week after an injury, close to an injury,
it's always something you've got to be concerned about.
Yeah, oh, yeah, I'm concerned.
I'm concerned.
That was bad. Hayden Hurst'm concerned. I'm concerned. Um,
that was bad.
Hayden Hurst was good,
I guess.
Oh,
let's talk about it.
What?
He was good.
He had 54 yards.
He was good in PPR.
Yeah.
He has 51 or more yards in four of his last five.
They're good at defending tight ends.
They do a nice job.
That 51 yards is not that good or 54.
Not that good,
but okay.
You guys are not as impressed with Hayden Hurst as I was.
I'll take 54 yards.
Yeah, 54 yards.
I'm going to win my league.
How many tight ends are getting 50 yards four out of five games?
No, it's not a lot.
That's true.
No, it is a lot.
I think that's too low of a bar.
I'd say that that's good.
It is good.
It's an 800-plus yard pace.
There are going to be like six tight ends that do that.
No one ever is excited about five points from someone that they start.
No, but you're excited about 10 in PPR.
It's not bad.
I'm not complaining about 10 in PPR.
I'm complaining about five in non-PPR.
I understand.
You needed him to score a touchdown, and he didn't.
But you have to be encouraged by 50 or more yards in four or five games
for Hayden Hurst. Can we at least agree on that that's good yeah it's great it's super he's involved
that's nice i don't want to talk anymore about hayden hurst what else jamie what else from this
game i don't understand the lack of targets for dj moore that was not encouraging after what he
had done the previous few weeks i mean you see the two plays at the end
of the game that he made.
I understand, look, the interception
he was trying to force the ball to DJ Moore in triple
coverage, which was not a smart throw.
But, you know, he needs
to get the ball in his hands more times than not
earlier in the game. That was frustrating.
And Mike Davis
ended his tenure as a starting running back
with a dud.
Kind of three in a row.
I mean, he scored last week, but he's been fizzling out.
And I think, you know, when you look at DJ Moore and Anderson,
is it just as simple as they barely had the ball
and Bridgewater threw 23 passes?
I mean, that certainly sums it up.
But, you know, the way that they were operating
last night was just weird.
And when you evaluate,
they didn't seem to have any rhythm
and their offensive line was horrible.
Horrible.
And Troy Aikman mentioned that he had trouble
throwing a wet ball, which was really funny.
I've never heard that before. He should bring that up more often.
He brings it up every time,
as Jamie pointed out.
As far as the Falcons go, I really thought
Matt Ryan kind of sliced
up this defense, but just didn't
have the fantasy points to show for it.
Not in the red zone.
Anything to say here with the Falcons?
How about Gurley? He scored
18 carries, though, for
46 yards and a touchdown.
He's not good.
My kingdom for him to average four yards per carry.
No catches.
It's just you're lucky the touchdowns are there.
It's just incredible.
Two years in a row, the touchdowns are saving him.
How about he only played 51% of the snaps?
Yeah, it seemed like he was banged up at some point.
Yeah, right, right.
He was stretching out on the side um brian hill had a bad drop when one of the plays when he was
off the field um i don't know i think they're gonna start using more guys it's not it's not
pretty so i don't know like that's the thing i know you're saying so high i don't know can you
is anybody no nobody's buying todd girl are you kidding? There are people who will take a running back.
They're desperate for running backs,
especially ones like Gurley that can find the end zone.
I'm not saying you're going to get a ton for him,
but if you've got Gurley and a bunch of other running backs
that you're okay with and you need help at other positions,
now's the time.
Yeah, but that's a trade.
That's not a sell high.
You're trading Todd Gurley.
Well, selling high is part of a trade.
I'm insinuating that you're not.
I don't think there's not a high for Todd Gurley right now.
There's just a sell.
If I'm making a case for Todd Gurley, this is what he is.
This is what he was last year.
I know he's not involved in the passing game.
I know he's not going to give me a good rushing average,
but he's on a good offense.
It's going to move the ball down the field,
and they give him the ball inside the five-yard line all the time,
and he scores touchdowns.
The matchups are horrible for him going forward. good offense. It's going to move the ball down the field and they give him the ball inside the five-yard line all the time and he scores touchdowns.
The matchups are horrible for him going forward. Denver
is second against running
backs, then a bye, then the Saints are seventh.
The Raiders are... When you say horrible,
I mean, he's going to get... You kind
of just know what you're getting. You're getting somewhere between
40 and 60 yards. That's exactly what I was saying. Do the
matchups even matter? If he doesn't score, you're going to be screwed.
Yeah, do the matchups even matter? And could the matchups, you're going to be screwed. Yeah, do the matchups even matter?
And could the matchups be even worse for him
if Ridley's out for a while? There's speculation
that it could be. I don't know. I mean, he had his best game
of the season when Julio Jones was not on the field.
Yeah.
I guess, but he's still
okay. What I'm saying is if he is what
he is and he continues to do this,
then Gurley is still valuable.
But what does he have?
He has eight rushing touchdowns at eight games,
so he really needs that.
All right.
So would you trade him for Mike Evans?
I mean, that's kind of what Dave was talking about.
If you need a running back, that's probably a trade you can make.
Yep.
But, like, yeah, I guess so.
I mean, you know, Mike Evans is headed
for potential dumpster fire with Antonio Brown there.
Okay.
All right.
Well, I think that's pretty much it for this game.
I can't imagine you guys are too excited
to pick up Curtis Samuel, 46% rostered.
Not with McCaffrey coming back.
Right.
No.
Okay.
All right.
Sorry for the fantasy dud,
everybody.
I wish Mike Davis had played better because then it would have been an
easier potential trade chip to give to the McCaffrey owner with McCaffrey,
McCaffrey manager with McCaffrey coming back,
like nothing big,
obviously in return,
but you know,
you could have at least,
you could have at least,
you know,
traded somebody,
the McCaffrey,
if you did not have McCaffrey,
you know,
traded Mike Davis to the McCaffrey fantasy manager for, you know, number three mccaffrey if you did not have mccaffrey you know traded mike davis to the mccaffrey fantasy manager for you know number three receiver number four receiver
somebody that you can maybe speculate on that has some potential down the road sure his value at
best now is the same as alexander madison's or tony pollard's or tatavius murray's yeah and i
don't have been that way even if he had three touchdowns yeah but it's a different cell it's
a different cell if he's coming no i don, I don't think that you're getting much more
from Mike Davis at this point.
I don't think you're getting much more either.
But at this point, if I'm the McCaffrey manager,
I'm like, okay, if I get Mike Davis,
I get Mike Davis.
I'm not going to make a big trade for it.
Right.
Whereas if he had had a big game,
you would have been like,
oh, this is the number one handcuff.
And the thing is just for every Panther,
you just have to keep in mind
that they just barely had the ball
and that hurts their stats.
He wasn't that bad. He had 77 total
yards on 14 touches.
But they just had an
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gonna play right now the interview i recorded last night with kevin roth he is the roto grinders
chief meteorologist you can follow him on twitter at kevin roth wx and just to preview it for you
for those of you that are watching on youtube you're not going to hear the interview
we'll recap it afterward but we talk about four games, New England, Buffalo, Vegas, Cleveland, Minnesota, Green Bay, and New Orleans, Chicago,
and bad, bad weather this weekend. Here's Kevin Roth. Quick check on the weather in week eight
with Kevin Roth, Roto-Grinders chief meteorologist. He's been on the show several times. He gives
outstanding information, and you can follow him on Twitter at KevinRothWX.
How you doing?
I'm good.
It is legitimately the worst week of weather I can ever remember seeing.
Really?
It's week eight?
We usually talk in December.
I know, and we don't even have any snow games.
It's not anything like that.
It is just incredibly windy in multiple games.
Usually, you get maybe one game that's windy,
not four of them. Oh, well, wind is bad. We know that. Okay. So the games that you wanted to
highlight were new England at Buffalo, Las Vegas at Cleveland, Minnesota at green Bay and new
Orleans at Chicago. And you said that it's all sort of similar with those four games.
Yeah. I think you can lump them all in together here in just about all of them.
You're looking at sustained winds of 20 to 25 miles per hour. You're talking wind gusts of about
40 miles per hour. This is not, Oh, it's a little breezy and maybe a throw or a long kick will be
impacted. This is you legitimately cannot throw it deep kind of winds, unless the wind happens
to be right at your back.
And, you know, that's not going to happen all game. I think this is going to be hugely impactful.
So you've, I'm sure you track this, you know, you've had bad wind games in the past. What do
you usually see in that case? We're looking at about a 15% decrease on average to both scoring and passing statistics. There's honestly not a huge sample
size of 25 mile per hour sustained wind games. This is as windy as it gets. So not a big sample
size, but obviously, look, we're really impacting the passing game here. Deep throws are out,
short throws, dump offs are going to be fine. Some intermediate throws are still okay. For kickers, they're not even going to attempt long field
goals. 30 to 40-yard field goals will be difficult. Anything beyond 40, I legitimately can't even
fathom happening. So I don't even think they attempt those long field goals. It's short field
goals, running, dump-offs, and defense. I don't know if
you track this, but do you see an increase in rush attempts in these games typically?
Yeah, you do. They're not necessarily more effective because teams know that you're going
to have to run. They know that it's tough to throw it deep in these conditions. So they can
really jam a lot of guys in the box. But generally these games, these really windy games can just be grinded out, handed off three times and punt it
away kind of games that can end up being really low scoring. Okay. So last question for you,
if we've got bad weather in Chicago, in Buffalo, in Cincinnati, in Green Bay,
why not Cleveland? That's fairly close Green Bay. Why not Cleveland?
That's fairly close to Cincinnati.
How did Cleveland get spared?
No, Cleveland's in the bad weather ones.
Cincinnati is kind of close to the edge.
Right, I switched that up.
Why not Cincinnati?
They're just not seeing that strong gust of wind.
It's not great weather there.
It's still going to be 15-mile-per-hour winds.
On a normal week, I'd probably point it out as a not great weather spot,
but you compare it to those other four games,
Buffalo, Cleveland, Green Bay, and Chicago.
These might be the four worst weather games we see all season long.
What's the wind threshold?
15 miles per hour, you think is still okay for us to feel confident
in starting a passer in that game?
Yeah, 15 is kind of my cutoff where I start looking. If it gets to 20, that's when I start
thinking, all right, this is going to be a problem. 25 sustained is a big deal. We mentioned those
wind gusts are going to be 40 miles per hour. The one thing I'll add is we're recording this
a couple of days ahead of Sunday. So be sure to check back.
You want to make sure that this weather forecast actually does verify.
I have no reason to believe it won't.
I expect the conditions that I'm seeing now will be what happens.
But you always want to double check that before you make, you know, huge fantasy decisions
based on it.
Yes.
And follow Kevin on Twitter at Kevin Roth WX.
He is the chief meteorologist for Roto Grinders.
Does great work.
Kevin, thanks for coming on.
Hey, it's a pleasure.
Thanks for having me.
All right, guys, so we have some pretty severe weather.
And it's not just those four games.
I mean, the weather could be bad with Cincinnati, Tennessee,
with the Kansas City Jets game.
But New England, Buffalo, Las Vegas, Cleveland, Minnesota, Green Bay,
New Orleans, Chicago.
We are talking about 25-mile power winds throughout.
You know, that's scary. Could get up to 35, 40, I Orleans, Chicago. We are talking about 25-mile power winds throughout. You know, that's scary.
Could get up to 35, 40, I think he said.
So, I mean, what do we do here?
Do we have to avoid the passing games?
I mean, he just said that you cannot throw the ball downfield.
The rushing uptick is a little bit.
The rushing carries should uptick a little bit.
Yeah, so, Dave, what's your reaction?
My reaction is to not overreact.
We have seen this happen time and again where the weather reports a day
or two days out from a game paint a bad picture.
But the truth is that you've got to check it an hour before kickoff.
If you want to have a contingency plan on your bench, go ahead.
But I always wait until an hour, maybe even less, before kickoff
to see what the weather's like.
Kevin's great at what he does, but some of the other weather people,
they're not like fantasy football analysts.
You know, they get things wrong all the time.
That was supposed to be a joke.
No one laughed.
I feel bad.
I get it.
If the conditions are really windy, that impacts passing games and kicking games, obviously,
but it's got to be north of 20 miles an hour.
And it will be.
According to him, it will be.
Well, it will be based on the forecast now.
Which he feels pretty confident is going to remain.
But yes, let's play the hypothetical and say it's true.
I understand we have to wait.
Then you've got to make some changes.
Like who?
I can't start Nelson Aguilar. I mean, that would be one because he's a downfield guy and right like that
would scare me justin jefferson is a downfield guy i don't know what i'd do with him yeah like
we talked about on the twitch stream um it's also probably going to be the coldest game he's ever
played in in his life yeah um you know so those things matter for some of these younger players, too.
You know, for the Bears situation,
you know, without Allen Robinson in there,
that could be awful for Darnell Mooney
and Anthony Miller to begin with.
So the Saints defense is something, you know,
you might want to give a little bit more attention to.
You know, like, I'm not getting rid of Devontae.
I'm not benching Devontae Adams.
No, no.
You know, and the thing about some of these players, like,
I'm just trying to think of, like, the must-start guys.
Like, Jefferson qualifies, sure.
That's one.
Yeah, I mean, like, I'm not benching Stephon Diggs.
I think Cole Beasley could benefit from that, you know.
Because he's a shorter area target.
Yeah, and that's what Kevin said.
He said, you see...
What did you say?
Diggs is going to do the same stuff.
Diggs, yeah, no, but John Brown...
John Brown, on the other hand,
would scare me a little bit.
I don't know how many people are...
And you're right,
but I don't know how many people
are starting John Brown
after the last few weeks
about what's happened with him.
But it really comes down
to who else you have.
And if you've got
a loaded group of receivers
on your team
and you can afford
to bench somebody
who's got upside not a stud obviously but john brown's a good example maybe jefferson's a good
example the one is jefferson because jefferson's a guy that a lot of people are starting
understandably so three or four games with over 100 yards receiving it's a game where they're
probably chasing points but outside of him the patriots have nobody yep the bills you're not
sitting stefan digs you could sit cole beasley i wouldn't you guys said you wouldn't i get it But outside of him, the Patriots have nobody. The Bills, you're not sitting Stephon Diggs.
You could sit Cole Beasley.
I wouldn't.
You guys said you wouldn't.
I get it.
The Raiders, it's easy to get away from Nelson Aguilar
because he's not rostered that highly yet.
What about Rashard Higgins?
Because you have Aguilar.
You have Aguilar and Higgins in there.
And yeah, we are kind of saved by the fact
that you don't have a bunch of like questionable
you either have must start guys like michael thomas if he plays in davante adams and stefan
diggs or you have guys that are easy to get away from but i think agalor and higgins and jefferson
i guess jefferson being the highest end of those three would be the ones that i would ask you about
starting rugs i like renfro but he's a short area target. Um, you're not starting, not sending Darren Waller.
Um,
do you downgrade Aaron Rogers?
I mean,
do you start,
do you put him like,
you know,
eighth instead of third?
Yeah.
But again,
I don't,
I don't know how many people are getting away from Aaron Rogers.
Still,
you got to have Justin Herbert or Tannenhill or Wentz on your team to,
to sit him.
And I don't think many people are going to do that anyway.
How about, yeah, I mean,
if you were planning on streaming Kirk Cousins,
you can't be excited about this development, I would think.
No.
And then Josh Allen, you know, maybe he runs a little more.
I don't know if he's got a strong arm.
I would imagine they're going to try and,
both teams are going to probably lean on their quarterbacks
to run a lot in that game.
Okay, yeah.
Yeah, well, I'm not starting Cam.
Right. All right. Look, it's something
to consider, and it's all the more reason for you to watch
HQ on Sunday morning, 10 a.m.
to 1 p.m. Eastern. They're going to keep you updated
on the weather the entire time.
News and notes. Gardner Minshew has multiple
fractures and a strained ligament in his thumb.
Do you think he is the starter next week against Houston?
I don't think he's the starter
ever again.
I don't know about's the starter ever again. Wow.
I don't know about ever again.
I think next week he's out.
I wonder.
It's going to be Jake Luton.
And I wonder if this was like an excuse that was put out in advance of the Jaguars making the call that they're changing quarterbacks.
100% it was.
Okay.
They claim they did not know about it and he did not tell them. That was the report
that he didn't tell them about it. He'd been playing
with it for a couple weeks.
It's like we talked about
yesterday. There's a difference between playing hurt and
playing injured.
He played through it. He's playing hurt.
If he was going to be the starting quarterback
next week, he was playing with it.
He wouldn't have gotten out there.
Who knows if it's even
true i'm sure it's true i'm sure you know that he shows up on x-ray they're not gonna lie about that
michael thomas practiced so if he plays you start him
miles sanders seems unlikely to play it's it's like all the miles sanders aaron jones my uh
who's the third joe mixon right, we're planning on them missing the game.
What do we know about the Seahawks and 49ers?
DJ Dallas time.
That's what it seems like.
I mean, they still haven't practiced,
at least through Thursday,
with Carlos Hyde or Chris Carson or Travis Homer.
So, you know, unless one of them comes back on Friday,
DJ Dallas should be their lead rusher.
He's their only rusher. Hopefully, that's a their lead rusher. He's their only rusher.
Hopefully that's a lot of Russell Wilson.
He's their only rusher.
There's speculation that they'll use either David Moore or Penny Hart as a running back backup.
Listen, he's going to get all their carry.
He's going to get so much work for them.
He's absolutely worth stashing much work for them. And he was recruited.
He's absolutely worth stashing.
Well, stashing, I mean,
would you start him over someone like David Montgomery?
Probably.
Man.
I've got no,
I've got very little faith in David Montgomery.
I do too,
but I have very little faith in DJ Dallas also.
So I'd still start Montgomery
because at least you know he's getting catches.
Yeah, I would think DJ Dallas should get some catches too.
I agree.
He was a wide receiver recruit
and involved in the passing game in college.
He can do that.
He's just so slow.
He nearly got Russell Wilson killed
in that game against the Cardinals.
Yeah, he's not going to do any more of that.
He'll run around each time. Maybe chip a guy on his way out, but he's not going to do any more of that. He'll run around each time.
Maybe chip a guy on his way out,
but they're not going to have him pass protect.
All right.
Well, I mean, if DJ Dallas is the guy,
and we also don't know about the 49ers running backs right now.
It could be Tevin Coleman.
He returned to practice.
But if DJ Dallas is the guy,
you'd have to start him over like a Patriots running back, right?
Yeah.
A Bills running back?
Yeah.
Okay. So he's not horrible.
You know, keep an eye on DJ Dallas.
More news and notes. Mark Ingram
mispracticed. That's another one
that we're thinking will miss the game.
Devontae Freeman mispracticed. That's
a Monday night game, so they have an extra day to get ready.
I'm going to just tell you, please don't start a Giants running
back. Bad idea against Tampa Bay.
Devontae Parker was limited with a groin injury.
He's looking good.
Not certain he will play, but
looking good for Parker.
Jamison Crowder was limited in practice. Are we thinking he's going
to play?
Trending in the right direction.
That's a good sign.
Let's say DJ Dallas is starting for the Seahawks.
Would you start him or Jamison Crowder?
Crowder. Crowder and PPR.
It would be closer and non-PPR, but I'd Crowder? Crowder. Crowder and PPR. It would be closer in non-PPR,
but I'd probably still take Crowder.
Go beat the waiver wire. Pick him up now.
You might even want to start him. I mean,
if the weather weren't so bad. Alan Lazard
is practicing. Has a
chance to play this week.
Alan Lazard. If you've got IR spots,
you could stash him if he's on your
waiver wire too. If you have IR spots,
he's probably not on the waiver wire. Well, you never know. That's why you check to him if he's on your waiver wire too if you buy our spots he's probably not probably
wire well you never know well he's not that's why you check to see if he's available yeah he's like
40 percent roster i think aaron jones mispractice mentioned that phil oh philip lindsey returned to
practice now so what are we doing with this broncos situation i think actually he did not
i think there were two different reports oh fooled you Well, if he does play...
I'll check while you're talking,
but I saw two different things.
If Philip Lindsay does play against the Chargers,
what would that mean for Lindsay and Gordon?
Lindsay would get 10 carries,
probably have a great rushing average,
and for whatever reason,
the Broncos would use Melvin Gordon more
when he's averaging like 3.8.
He did non-contact individual drills.
That's not really returning to practice. Okay. So he's still like 3.8. He did non-contact individual drills. That's not really returning to practice.
Okay.
So he's still in the protocol.
If Philip Lindsay plays, would you start DJ Dallas or Melvin Gordon?
Come on.
Why?
Melvin Gordon gets half the carries.
You're starting Melvin Gordon.
I think you're going to go with Gordon.
I mean, I like DJ Dallas. I think he's a good fit
in Seattle, but I don't know if I'm ready to
start him over Mel. I don't know if you're starting
DJ Dallas over Phillip Lindsay if Lindsay plays.
Okay.
I think I'm starting DJ Dallas.
I would too, but it's not a slam dunk.
What was the game last year
where Travis Homer
and Marshawn Lynch
played?
Last year?
Yeah.
But they ran the ball a lot more last year.
16, week 17.
Yeah, but they have an amazing offense this year.
They still run the ball,
and they throw to their running backs more this year
than they did last year.
All right.
They throw to Chris Carson.
I mean...
Right, who was never a big pass catcher.
Look, DJ Dow's going to get a great opportunity,
but don't start him over Melvin Gordon, please.
I think the point is,
would you be excited to start Melvin Gordon
if Philip Lindsay played?
Yes.
Just because of the Chargers thing?
Not very.
All right, Jamie's got the revenge on his mind.
Giants left guard Will Hernandez
is on the reserve COVID list.
They're quarantining some other offensive linemen. Meanwhile, same
game, Tampa Bay equipment manager tested positive
for COVID. So I don't think the risk is
zero for that game having issues.
Keep that in mind. It's the Monday night game.
Greg Allman of
the Athletic Covers the Bucks tweeted that if the game
does get postponed, that unfortunately pushes
back the suspension one more week for
Antonio Brown. Oh, interesting.
Julian Edelman could miss some time with a knee injury.
Dallas Goddard off IR, but not a lock to play this week.
That's for sure.
AJ Brown missed practice, but he's expected to play.
Jalen Rager is back.
Who's a better player to add?
Jalen Rager or Alan Lazard?
Lazard.
Andy Dalton likely out this week.
Kevin King for the Packers seems unlikely to play once again.
Top cornerback for them or number two cornerback, I guess.
And Dallas is 0-7 against the spread this season.
Since the AFL merger in 1970,
only two teams have started 0-8 against the spread.
Thank you, CBS Sports, for that.
And the Chargers put their right guard, Ryan Groy,
on the reserve COVID list.
Okay, I was going to give some
stats. I'll just run through them here in three games other than week one, when Fournette was,
you know, very limited in the other three games that Fournette has played. He has more touches
than Ronald Jones, 42 touches to 38 for Ronald Jones. So we'll talk about that. And this matchup
looks better for Fournette than it does for Jones, I'd say, because the Giants stink against pass-catching running backs.
Carson Wentz is the new start of the week, Jamie,
because of the weather.
Even though I didn't mention it,
even though Kevin didn't talk about that,
the Cincinnati-Tennessee game could still have pretty bad weather.
Not as bad as it was before.
He wrote about that.
And so that was part of it.
His write-up made me a little bit concerned.
Not that I wouldn't start Tannehill,
because he's not a guy that's going to
throw the ball downfield, like, you know, a typical downfield passer.
A lot of his stuff is, you know, yards after catch,
certainly with AJ Brown. I would still start Tannehill,
but I downgraded him a little bit. You know, I had him top five.
Now he's outside the top five and Wentz has just a dream matchup,
you know, for a guy that's throwing the ball,
basically 40 times a game for he's, you know, rushing a guy that's throwing the ball basically 40 times a game for his,
you know, rushing that he's given you on top of that.
And Dallas thinks, you know, so Rager back helps Jason Peters
and Lane Johnson potentially could play Peters more so than Johnson.
You know, I think, well, we've obviously, you know,
found a receiver that's helping him in a big way in Travis Fulgham.
And even if Goddard's not out there, he's got a tight end that's helping him too in Richard Rodgers.
So there's a lot to like about Wentz this week.
Two more stats.
I'm going to throw cold water on a couple of wide receivers that everybody's excited to start.
And I don't think that these stats are going to matter to anyone, but they're fun.
Tyler Lockett has had 10 career games with 100 or more yards, including last week when he had 200 yards, a career high.
So he's had nine games going into this week.
In eight of the nine games with 100 or more yards,
he has followed it up with fewer than 60 yards
the following week.
It's kind of weird.
So you're telling us to sit Tyler Locke.
Yeah, exactly.
He's out of the top 40.
No, it's just a fun stat.
And this one is more interesting to me.
It's fun. This is more interesting to me. It's fun.
This is more interesting to me.
James Bradbury has kind of owned Mike Evans.
His last four games against the Panthers,
when Bradbury was on the Panthers,
one for 16, one catch for 16 yards on 10 targets,
four for 48 on six targets,
four for 61 on eight targets,
and then he had nine catches for 96 yards, Mike Evans did, and that was on six targets, four for 61 on eight targets. And then he had nine catches for 96 yards.
Mike Evans did.
And that was on 17 targets.
It has consistently been a tough matchup for Mike Evans.
I know Jamie doesn't care because I asked him about it yesterday.
Dave, do you care about that?
Well, the other thing that I see when I watch Evans play is that he doesn't have the same
type of speed that he used to.
Not that he was a burner before, but he can't separate with speed at all.
He's separating with his route running
and with pushing off
on guys. So it does make the matchup harder
for him. And that is a stat
that would matter to me. I've already put
Evans as a number two receiver this week.
I could see him falling a few more spots
after that. I didn't think about Bradbury's impact
on Evans. Different team
for Bradbury. Different quarterback for
Evans. Too many things.
Too many variables have changed. Why does it matter if it's
a different team? Do we know for sure that Bradbury
is going to shadow?
He hadn't been shadowing wide
receivers, but he did last week. They used
him actually on Deshaun Jackson.
I would think if they have any sense
in the world, they're going to shadow Evans
with Bradbury.
And like you,
on one hand,
you know,
you're worried about Amari Cooper going up against Darius Slay,
who was on Detroit last year and did a great job on Amari Cooper.
Why wouldn't you be worried about Bradbury on Evans?
I wouldn't be worried about Cooper if he didn't have his third string
quarterback.
Well,
I mean,
you would be if you had Daniel Jones.
Oh no,
sorry.
Sorry.
I switched the teams there. It's Tom Brady, not Daniel Jones. Oh, no, sorry. Sorry, I switched the teams there.
It's Tom Brady, not Daniel Jones.
It's a bit of a downgrade.
Okay, well.
The other thing I would say.
I wouldn't be surprised if Evan struggles against Bradbury.
It could easily happen.
Right.
We've barely seen Bradbury play in the slot.
We have seen Evans line up in the slot a decent amount.
So maybe we'll find out pretty early on in the game.
If he's going to follow him into the slot,
that would be different.
I doubt it too.
And so the bucks could just manufacture ways for Evans to get open against
a different quarterback by putting them in the slot.
He's been so good without Chris Godwin.
So I know people were excited and I can't imagine you're sitting Mike
Evans,
but you know,
these are the things we bring up.
Let's beat the waiver wire.
Jimmy Garoppolo next week against Green Bay. That's a
possibility. Drew Locke
at Atlanta. I don't think so.
Derek Carr at the
Chargers, perhaps.
Cam Newton at the Jets.
I didn't find great options for next week.
But Herb Smith
against Detroit. You know, Herb Smith's got
two games in a row with 50 yards.
Yes. Put him on your bench too.
Or maybe the move is put,
if you only have one spot,
put DJ Dallas on your bench now and hope that Irv Smith is still on the
waiver wire.
When you cut DJ Dallas,
if all the other running backs come back for Seattle to practice,
if they don't,
you're holding DJ Dallas.
Of course.
But if,
or if you can't get DJ Dallas,
Irv's got potential Vikings are coming off the buy.
His playing time was up big in his previous two games.
He could end up being a very integral part of the Minnesota offense.
Yeah.
Just one thing though,
as,
as,
as Scott fish brought up.
And I,
I said this before Scott's note on this is both of Irv Smith's games have
come after Dalvin Cook went down.
And as Scott brought up, which is right,
Dalvin Cook is a pass-catching back.
They don't throw the ball to Alexander Madison and Mike Boone.
So that's something that can impact Irv Smith,
which we didn't see Irv Smith do anything in the first few weeks.
How many games this year does Dalvin have with more than three catches?
No, he has 12 catches in five games.
Right, so they're not even...
I think he has one game where he got a bunch of receptions.
He's going to be smart for them to use in there. Yeah, no, he hasn't been involved. There's definitely a correlation. in five games. Right. So they're not even... I think he has one game where he got a bunch of receptions. He had five catches at Seattle.
He's going to be smart for them to use in there.
Yeah, no.
He hasn't been involved.
There's definitely a correlation.
But the other thing was...
Nothing when Dalvin Cook was off.
I think they just started to get him going
the past couple of weeks.
Yeah, but what Scott brought up was
all of Irv Smith's big games last year
came after Dalvin Cook was hurt
at the end of the season.
All right, look.
We're not saying Irv Smith's the greatest.
And he's not even the best... Oh, I like Irv Smith. I'm hopeful he does. You're speculating. He's not even the best tight end of the season. All right, look, we're not saying like Ersmuth's the greatest. And he's not even the best.
Oh, I like Ersmuth.
I'm hopeful he does.
You're speculating.
He's not even the best tight end to pick up.
That's obviously Dallas Goddard,
who is 50% rostered.
So pick him up now.
You can pick them both up if you've got IR spots.
Yes, you can.
Goddard can be stashed.
Drew Locke mentioned.
Tim Patrick at Atlanta might be good next week.
Some DSTs.
Houston at Jacksonville.
Giants and Washington are playing each other.
That could be another ugly game like it was a couple weeks ago.
Maybe Sterling Shepard at Washington.
John Brown.
Shepard should be at it anyway.
Yeah.
John Brown against Seattle.
Yep.
69% rostered.
How about the Tennessee DST against Chicago?
Yep.
Oh, this is a good one.
Arizona against Miami.
Potentially.
Yeah, you know, cross-country trip.
Second game for Tua.
And that's pretty much all I got.
All right.
The last three games we're previewing are Tampa Bay and the Giants,
the Sunday night game, Philadelphia-Dallas.
Gosh, prime time, he's so bad this week.
And Green Bay, Minnesota.
Start-o-meter, Tom Brady at the Giants.
Nine.
Yeah, 10.
Fournette and Jones.
Fournette is a seven and a half in PPR,
six in non-PPR. Jones is a seven and a half in PPR, six and non PPR.
Jones is a seven and a half and non PPR,
six and PPR.
I agree with that.
Scott Miller.
Five and a half.
Man,
I hope this is the game he does well without,
without Godwin there.
Maybe if your point is right,
that Bradbury takes away Evans,
that that's where Brady goes because we saw that's
what happened with Travis Fulgham last
week. Look, and it could also be
that Evans, no matter who's covering him,
he just can't get away from them. And
Scott Miller is their downfield guy right
now.
I would up it to six and a half.
So if you look at the other waiver wire guys
and you factor in the weather,
would you move Scott Miller ahead of Rashard Higgins and Nelson Aguilar?
I had it that way in the waiver wire column once we found out that Godwin was out. So, Iuke and Shepard were more the long-term guys with Higgins
kind of toeing the line for both.
And then Miller was a one-week scenario
because if everything goes according
to plan for Tampa Bay, Miller
goes from two to four
next week if Godwin and Antonio
Brown play. And Aguilar
has got more long-term appeal.
Yeah, I mean, Aguilar is
certainly somebody you get away from now
because of the weather.
And, you know, as we told you,
last week was the first time that his targets were up.
But he's looked good for a couple of weeks now.
He's certainly looked good.
But if he goes back to two to four targets a game,
you're not going to trust him.
Yeah.
So how about putting Greg Ward ahead of the bad weather guys?
I don't think you're starting him over Justin Jefferson.
100%.
Even with Rager back, he's still going to be their third receiver.
Okay.
So Greg Ward.
Yeah, not ahead of Jefferson, but ahead of Aguilar, easy.
Right.
I'm not there yet.
Oh, really?
All right.
Rob Gronkowski at the Giants.
Eight.
Eight.
Any Giant against Tampa Bay?
Zero.
Shepard would be at two. Yeah. And I'd? Zero. Shepard would be a two.
Yeah, and I'd go higher than Shepard.
Five for Shepard, five for Slayton.
That's zero for Slayton for me.
Yeah, does he warrant being shadowed?
He was shadowed by Darius Slay last week.
If Carlton Davis is on him, then yeah, it's like a zero.
Yep.
But I don't know that he's good enough to get Carlton Davis is on him, then yeah, it's like a zero. Yep. But I don't know that he's good enough to get Carlton Davis.
I don't know if the shadowing matters as much as the pass rush
getting to Daniel Jones behind what might be the second string offensive line.
Like he's going to be.
Oh, it's all bad.
Don't watch, Adam.
Don't watch the game.
All right.
To the Dallas-Philadelphia game real quick here, guys.
Boston Scott.
Nine.
Yep.
Travis Fulgham. Love him.
Nine for Fulgham, too.
Jalen Rager.
Two. Three. Greg Ward.
Five. Four.
Richard Rodgers.
Six.
Yeah, I'm going to go higher. Seven.
Ezekiel Elliott.
You're starting him.
Amari Cooper.
Six. Six.
CeeDee Lamb.
Six and a quarter.
You start Shepard or Lamb?
Lamb.
You like Lamb better than Cooper?
I do.
Kirk Cousins at Green Bay.
Five.
Man, the weather's good. Five. The weather Green Bay. Five.
Man, if the weather's good, five.
If the weather's bad, zero.
Irv Smith, Robert Tanyan.
Who do you like better?
Smith.
Smith.
Alan Lazard.
Is he playing?
Oh, if he plays.
Two.
3.78. Rust in weather. Not plays. Two. 3.78.
Rust in weather.
Not good.
Yeah, all right. And Jamal Williams.
All my ratings are based on the weather being fine.
I know that weather can bring them all down a couple of points
if you want to do that, but I'm not.
Jamal Williams?
Yeah, no, he's a top eight running back.
I was just saying Jamal Williams, must start guy.
All right, let's go to the games.
Our first game is Indianapolis at Detroit.
Three.
Quote of the game.
Well, I think it's going to be kind of ugly.
I think these teams have fairly unappealing uniforms.
I don't like watching them.
They're visually unappealing teams.
But the quote of the game
for Indianapolis at Detroit comes from a newspaper that I forgot to cite. I will tell you what it is.
The Detroit News. There you go. To Detroit's credit, the interior of the team's defensive
front has been playing exceptionally well the past two weeks, especially against the run.
The new pieces, Danny Shelton, Nick Williams,
and rookie John Penasini,
have begun to form the chemistry envisioned
when they were added to the roster this offseason.
Those past two games, both wins,
the Lions have held their opponents to 110 yards
and 2.6 yards per carry.
So, hey, remember when we talked about
Jonathan Taylor's awesome schedule?
The Lions' run defense has been really good.
Well, one of those games was against Atlanta.
Right.
Yes, and the other one was a better team.
It was Jacksonville.
Oh, yeah, it was James Robinson.
12 carries for 29 yards.
Right.
I think he caught a touchdown in the game.
He did.
Gurley scored two rushing touchdowns,
but he had 23.
One of them they let him score.
Oh, yeah, right.
All right, so anyway, how excited...
I know you're not starting Phillip Rivers,
so how excited are you about Jonathan Taylor?
Extremely excited.
I like the fact that Tom Rathman said they're going to turn him loose.
His yards per carry is leap years ahead of Naheem Hines and Jordan Wilkins,
which is probably not a big surprise,
but they've been so...
Not limiting, but they've been limiting John Taylor's workload.
Part of it has been because of what they've done in the fourth quarter.
But I think this is the game where he just goes bananas.
Cool.
So the Colts wide receivers,
this is a Detroit team that has allowed multiple wide receivers to have
either 74 yards or a touchdown or both in four of six games.
Meet the Colts.
Yeah.
What do you do here?
Somebody's probably going to produce.
Can you trust anyone?
No.
In DFS, I love Marcus Johnson,
who had eight targets in their last game before the bye.
Five catches, 108 yards.
They like him as a deep threat and a guy who can win 50-50 balls.
And his price is dirt cheap.
He's going to be in all of my tournament lineups against Lions.
What happens if Pittman plays? Because he's also
been activated off IR.
Not officially yet, but
the window's open. Right. The window's open,
but it's a three-week window. I would imagine
that I would still be interested in using
Johnson as a dart play in DFS.
He's in the deepest
of leagues. You can add him to. Yeah, it's a good
call. I'm not really interested
in him in your typical 12-team league with
six bench specs. The game before that
though, I believe, was Pascal had
their most targets, if I'm not mistaken.
Their
last game, Pascal had seven targets.
Two games before that, he had eight targets. The game
in between, he only
had two targets. It goes up and down. Right.
That's the thing. It could be Pascal again.
Maybe. I don't know. They had a chance to self-sc That's the thing. It could be a pass game. Maybe.
I don't know.
But not a Hilton game.
They had a chance to self-scout during the week.
It's not a Hilton game, right?
That's the whole point,
is that we're talking about all these other guys.
We haven't even gotten to Trey Burton yet.
He's going to be somebody that's involved,
but they like being versatile on offense.
At least we know what the role is for Marcus Johnson. It's the role that T.Y. Hilton used to have.
Okay.
Trey Burton is 11th for Jamie,
15th for Dave, and 17th for Heath.
That's a non-PPR.
Basically the same in full PPR.
So we'll call him...
A little better for Burton in PPR.
Low-end starter, Trey Burton.
And then the Lions,
they're third against tight ends,
but they haven't really faced good ones, I'd say.
So, yeah, Jamie, you got him in your top 12. they they're third against tight ends, but they haven't really faced good ones. I'd say so.
Yeah. Jamie,
you got,
I mean,
you got them in your top 12.
Yeah.
I mean,
I think he's still going to be in that,
you know,
six target range.
Um,
Molly Cox coming back.
Doesn't really worry me because he doesn't play that much.
And so,
you know,
rivers likes his tight ends.
We saw it in their last game.
He had two touchdowns to his tight ends.
So Jack Doyle could be a factor.
That's obviously something to consider.
But I think if you're excited about Hayden Hurst 5 for 50,
that's what Trey Burton's going to give you.
Okay, Matthew Stafford.
Now this one's very different.
Last I checked, I'll make sure these rankings are updated.
14th for Jamie and 21st for Dave.
Yes, that is correct.
And also 14th for Heath.
So Dave, you're sitting to sit. You're saying
to sit Matthew Stafford
against the Colts will allow the fewest
fantasy points to quarterbacks.
Makes sense, right? I think
they're good against passing games after
all. And Stafford really hasn't been
amazing this year. He's had great matchups
and he hasn't come through. There are other quarterbacks
that I'd rather take a chance on. I'd rather
take the chance on Tua Tagovailoa. I'll take the devil
I don't know over the devil I do.
Okay. Jamie, you're more
optimistic. You got him 14th on Stafford.
Yeah. I mean, the Colts defense has played great
against Gardner Minshew, Kirk Cousins, Sam Darnold,
Nick Foles, Baker Mayfield, and then
Joe Burrow lit them up for 313. Just didn't have
touchdowns. So I think Stafford is going
to be north of 35 pass attempts.
I think they're going to be chasing points because the run game for the
Colts will put up a number on them.
And I do think that Stafford can still give you two 52.
So he's going to be in the low end starting range.
He's had two games this year with over 20 fantasy points and one game this
year with over 22 fantasy points.
He just hasn't been that we're used to.
I think all of them,
the 28, what the 20 point games, all of his 20 point games
been with all.
Sure.
You sure? Because he had
I only have him with two with
three and four. He had over 20 fantasy
points and that was about it.
He's had games with Galladay
and not gotten to 20 fantasy points as well.
Yeah, I'm just I look the Colt defense is good. I just don't think they're as great
as their numbers suggest based on the quarterbacks that they play.
Well, their run defense has been really good.
And they allow
the fifth fewest fantasy points to running backs.
And Darius Leonard may play.
3.5 yards per carry to running backs.
Ninth fewest receiving yards to running backs.
So I know you're getting away from Adrian Peterson, but
how much faith do you have in DeAndre Swift,
who's coming off two straight games with a touchdown?
I mean, I think this game,
they're throwing the ball, so he's going to be involved.
Would you start over
a Bucs running back?
Yes. Yeah.
Okay.
Would you start? With a little more
confidence that I would normally have
reserved for a Lions running back. I would
start Jones over Swift and non-PPR.
That's fair.
That's fair.
And they're still going to do their mixing and matching thing.
But the touch share for Swift has been nice the last couple of weeks,
north of 45%, which for a Lions running back is saying something.
They like him there.
Okay.
And then Kenny Galladay, you guys have in your top five.
Heath has him 14th. So he gets six to eight catches a game. He's going to be always among the leaders in yards per catch. He's always good. You know, deep downfield threat, big play guy. I don't see you. You don't sit him. But I guess in a DFS sense, I mean, the Colts, the Colts have been very good at defensive back this year. They brought in Xavier Rhodes.
He's having kind of a bounce back season.
TJ Carey, Rocky Haseen.
They've got a good secondary, it seems.
And an underrated pass rush, too.
Thielen, Beckham, Boyd.
They all had eight to nine targets and less than 60 yards.
There have been some successes, though.
I don't know.
Robinson had a big game against them.
Higgins had a good game against them. Am I overth. Yeah. Higgins had a good game against them.
Am I overthinking it?
Higgins had a good game against them.
Yes.
Everybody's throwing Galladay no matter what you say.
I think they're overrated.
I think Galladay has a good game.
Okay.
Hawkinson or Burton?
Hawkinson.
Yeah.
You guys have them very close, by the way.
Just the way you sort of dismissed that question.
That's the cutoff for me.
Hawkinson? Yeah. Then it's like, okay. That's the cutoff for me. Hawkinson?
Yeah.
Then it's like, okay.
Then I'll get a target score.
Right.
And the Colts allow the fewest fantasy points to tight ends.
All right, so here's the theme of this game.
The Colts defensively have been great this year,
but they haven't played the toughest competition.
So we're going to find out.
Oh, and now here come the Lions.
Like, they're the best competition.
I don't even know if it's the best he's faced this year.
He is the best quarterback that they face,
unless you want to say it's Burrow, which I won't fight you.
But when you talk about Gardner Minshew,
who had a good game against them with three touchdowns,
Kirk Cousins, who didn't throw the ball very much,
the Jets, the Bears, Cleveland doesn't throw the ball.
Hey, the Bears are 5-2?
Yes.
Cleveland's a good offense.
Who?
Cleveland.
Yes, they're a good offense,
but they're not necessarily a great passing offense,
and that was with Odell Beckham.
Hooper had 5 for 57 on 10 targets in that game, too.
So, you know.
Hawkinson, on paper, looks like a tough matchup.
We don't know.
The Colts have really not faced good tight ends.
I think you nailed it, Adam.
It's going to be an ugly game.
Could be a lot of running, maybe not necessarily efficient running.
Fingers crossed that we at least get that with a touchdown for Jonathan Taylor.
If the weather, considering Thursday was such a dud,
if the weather is bad in those four games or even like six games,
this could be by far the lowest scoring week of the season.
Oh, play the unders.
Play the unders.
And the kickers in this game,
I'm pretty sure they're going to be popular already,
so you might not find them.
Although Blanketship was dropped in a bunch of leagues last week.
Yep.
Two good kickers in this game, and they're playing indoors.
Colts DST is top eight.
Start them number three for Dave.
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out Express. San Francisco is at Seattle.
In what scenario would you be excited to start a running back in this game?
DJ Dallas has at least a flex if he's the guy.
Yeah, right.
Knowing that the other guys in Seattle are out.
They're not going to play.
DJ Dallas is their only active running back.
He would at least be a flex.
He might even make the cut as a number two running back
because it gets ugly at running back once you get to the bottom of the. He might even make the cut as a number two running back because it gets ugly at running
back once you get to the bottom of the number
twos. And the same thing for San Francisco.
We know that most are not going to play. We know Wilson's not going to
play. Maybe they don't activate Tevin Coleman
and he waits another week. I'd be
kind of excited and curious about your Michael
hasty. And I'd probably settle for
McKinnon as a PPR flex. The only thing
about the DJ Dallas is
and this would go
for Chris Carson on a much different scale because
he's a much better player, but San Francisco's run defense
is held up for the most part despite the injuries
in terms of their fantasy points allowed
to opposing running backs. Yeah, is that a number one?
Right. So it's like, okay,
yeah, you're getting all this work, but you're getting this work as
the, you know, essentially fourth string running
back going against a very good run defense.
So I don't love the starting option for DJ Dallas,
but he'd be a flex at best
if he does get the opportunity to get those touches.
Yeah.
They're a little bit of a Jekyll and Hyde defense.
Sometimes they show how much they've lost, right?
Like the game against the Dolphins.
And sometimes they're like,
well, this is just a well-oiled machine.
It doesn't matter who's playing.
Like the last two weeks,
if you want to go yards per carry,
Daryl Henderson, 14 carries for 88 yards.
Damian Harris, 10 carries for 58 yards.
Those are really good rush averages.
The week before, Miles Gaskin did not have a good rush average,
but he had a good game.
So, yeah, I don't know. So, okay, so Gaskin did not have a good rush average, but he had a good game. So, yeah.
Okay, so in that scenario, Coleman's out
and Dallas
is the only guy that
leaves you with Hasty, Dallas, and McKinnon.
How would you rank them?
Hasty, one.
Dallas, two.
McKinnon, three.
Yep, and I would go Hasty, McKinnon,
Dallas, and PPR.
Which quarterback
do you guys like better?
It's really close,
you know,
because they're both
so good.
I'll take Garoppolo.
No.
I don't want people
to think I really believe that.
No, but who would you
start Garoppolo over?
Because you guys
have him in your top 16.
Ben Roethlisberger,
Cam Newton, and Drew Brees.
Even if Michael Thomas wins?
I'm here for that.
Yeah.
Okay.
I would start Derek Carr over Garoppolo,
unless the wind is a factor.
I would start Derek Carr and Baker Mayfield over Garoppolo.
Unless the wind is a factor?
Unless the wind is a factor.
Okay.
I'll take Garoppolo over Mayfield.
Yeah, look, I mentioned this on Tuesday,
but the big number for me is pass attempts.
How many does he throw? Teams are
throwing 48 times
per game against the Seahawks.
Number two, Cleveland
sees about 41 pass attempts
per game. I mean, that's incredible.
Whereas, you know the deal with
Garoppolo. He's 30 times a game
roughly, but he's also
about eight and a half yards per attempt. No roughly. But he's also about 8.5 yards per attempt.
No, not quite
that good. 8.16 yards per attempt.
That's 8th best in the NFL. This team
is all about yak.
And Seattle allows the second most fantasy points to
quarterback, so there's the appeal there.
Right. So, this
team, 10 wide receivers
have scored 20 or more PPR fantasy
points against the Seahawks.
That's amazing.
At least one wide receivers had 80 or more yards against the Seahawks in every game.
How does Brandon Ayuk not have a good game here?
The 49ers, 49er.
You know, I mean, they just run the ball and, you know, it doesn't matter who it is.
It's plug and play.
Like we saw last week with Jeff Wilson.
This week it's Jeff Hasty or Jermichael it is. It's plug and play. Like we saw last week with Jeff Wilson, this week it's Jeff hasty or to Michael
hasty. And, uh, I combined the two, uh, it's to Michael hasty and, um,
or Tevin Coleman or Derek McKinnon,
and they slow the game down and they don't have a drop low throw 40 plus times.
And I, it doesn't do very much, but it's, it's just,
it's hard to see the setup failing because he's going to be so involved.
He's going to get the jet sweeps. He's going to get the carries.
He's going to get, you. He's going to get the jet sweeps. He's going to get the carries. He's going to get every opportunity to have a high volume of targets.
And the hope would be for Brandon Ayuk and for Jimmy Garoppolo, because I would still put those
two guys. Well, no, maybe not Garoppolo, but Ayuk is going to be the most started 49er, not named
George Kittle, that if you want Ayuk to have a good game, you want to see the Seahawks do what
they do, which is put up a big number early,
and then the 49ers are forced to throw.
Couldn't Iuke have a good game
even if Garoppolo throws it 25 times?
Yes, he has.
Right, exactly.
The concentration of targets
plus the touchdown of the backfield help him.
The fact that there's no Debo Samuel
makes a big difference to me.
It's one less guy that can do what Iuke can do.
So it puts more work on Iuke's plate that Debo's out.
Okay.
And Kendrick Bourne, I just want to throw his name out as a sleeper.
He actually has 30 targets this year.
He had about five targets, five to six targets in weeks one through four.
And that was when Debo Samuel was either out or very limited.
He missed three of those four games.
So he could screw it up.
You never know.
I think Kendrick Bourne is...
I can't hold off on that.
Yeah, for not week one, but for...
Yeah, look, I think he's a decent
DFS play, Kendrick Bourne. I'm not saying
to pick him up or anything, but...
They also have... they don't rule out.
They also have the windows open for Jordan Reed to return.
So they could have Reed back, too.
We're going to start George Kittle.
Let's talk about the running backs
real quick, because I just want to point out
the Seahawks' run defense actually has been
the only redeeming thing about their defense.
They are giving up the seventh-fewest fantasy points
to running backs.
And only two running backs all season
have more than 14 carries against the Seahawks
because, like I said, teams just throw on them.
And those two running backs were in the same games,
Dalvin Cook and Alexander Madison.
That should tell you something about this because that's a style thing.
The 49ers are a style thing.
If their run game is working,
they're going to stick to it.
Will it work?
How excited are you going to be about Hasty?
More excited
than DJ Dallas, but in that same range.
Right.
Ronald Jones or Hasty? Jones. He's more excited than DJ Dallas, but in that same range. Yeah. Right. Number two running back to flex.
Ronald Jones or Hasty?
Jones.
Yeah.
Okay.
And, okay, Seahawks, we talked about the running back.
Seahawks, I think we're done.
Starting everyone, except the tight ends.
Well, you don't like Tyler Lockett because he's bad after 100-yard games.
Right.
So you're going to go with Scott Miller over Tyler
Lockett this week. I'm going to
go with Kendrick Bourne over Tyler
Lockett this week.
Now it's going to happen. Actually, my DFS
lineup has Wilson, Lockett, and Metcalf.
Now it's really
going to happen. Let's go.
Sit Tyler Lockett in all leagues.
New Orleans is at Chicago.
Stat of the game.
Saints allow the second most fantasy
points to tight ends.
They've allowed a touchdown to a tight end in five of six
games. Now, a little bit better lately.
Hawkinson and Henry did catch
touchdowns, but they had nine yards
and 32 yards respectively.
Jimmy Graham, or
you said TJ Hawkinson, Jamie,
was your cutoff before it's like, well, let's gamble.
Is Graham in that Hawkinson range or below it?
He's in the gamble range.
I mean, you know, it could be a really bad offense.
I mean, their center looks like he's going to be out.
Allen Robinson looks like he's going to be out.
This offensive line has not been good.
They just got punched in the mouth last week by a really good defense.
I know it was on the road, but this is a defense that's getting healthy and has played better of late. I think they're going to get punched in the mouth again. I would prefer
to avoid all the bears if I could, but obviously he's a tight end that gets red zone opportunities.
The problem is, is that Matt Nagy after last week's game said they want to get Cole Komet
going a little bit more. So what happens between the twenties? And then if they don't get in the
red zone, is Jimmy Graham going to even get targets? So I'm just nervous about Jimmy Graham.
So he's in that Trey Burton range more so than the TJ Hawkinson range.
He's he's the Kenny Rogers of tight ends for me this week.
He is the top gambler of the gambling tight end.
So I like Hawkinson better,
but Graham's right behind him.
If Robinson's not playing,
that means more targets to go around.
That could be good for comedic.
It could be really good for Jimmy Graham too. And Graham can be a nice short area target
that Nick Foles can just dart to because the offensive line is going to be under so much
duress and he's got to get rid of the ball quickly. And you've got the end zone potential.
I believe last week was the first time this year the Saints didn't allow a touchdown to a tight end.
Yeah, I think so. It would be so interesting if Allen Robinson doesn't play
and we're going to approach this game
as if he is not going to play
because Nick Foles throws 40 times a game, basically,
and Allen Robinson has 70 targets
and Jimmy Graham is next with 42.
So it's a lot to go around.
You would say, well, maybe they'll just run the ball more,
but the Saints run defense is stout
and the Bears running game stinks.
It's terrible.
And Jamie's already talked about
how bad the offensive line is for them.
Yep.
And we've been talking about that since July.
So when you look at Montgomery,
you do get the four or five catches.
You do get a solidified roll.
You do get some solid total yards, I suppose,
and decent PPR.
I hope he finds the end zone.
He's Todd Gurley with a few extra receptions.
But he doesn't score.
That's the problem.
He's got two touchdowns on the season,
one on the ground, one in the air.
I mean, it's not a good setup for him at all.
He's only ranked where he's ranked
because the rest of the position stinks.
Is he your cutoff at running back, James?
No, unfortunately not.
I wish there was a higher cutoff,
but I'd start DJ Dallas over him.
If Dallas is the only guy.
If all those other guys are.
I start Hasty over him.
I start Le'Veon Bell over him,
even though he's the backup in Kansas City
because of the potential revenge game factor.
I start both Tampa Bay running backs
over David Montgomery.
I just have a little faith in him right now.
I love the workload.
I love the fact that he's being involved
in the passing game.
And I know I've said this time and time again,
it's shocking that he's a better PPR running back
than he is a non-PPR running back at this point
because he's not scoring and the rushing stinks.
And so this is a game where they have to hope the weather's bad.
They want this to be a muck it up, ugly type of game
where they can still lean on David Montgomery
and get his 2.5 yards per carry, whatever it is.
It's going to be an ugly, ugly setup for him. I don't like trusting David Montgomery and get his 2.5 yards per carry, whatever it is. It's going to be an ugly, ugly
setup for him. I don't like
trusting David Montgomery. I've started him a couple of leagues
because of bye weeks and injuries,
but I'm not happy about it.
Yeah, and
let's talk about the wide receivers in this game
and the passing game in general. I mean, nobody's
starting Nick Foles, even though he has a good
matchup, and nobody's starting Drew Brees.
The only guy to start is Michael Thomas if he plays.
Well, all right, but let's say I'm stuck.
Well, what if Alan Robison plays or starting him?
Obviously, but going with the assumption that he's not playing,
you can't trust, and they may play great,
but if it's bad weather, bad offensive line, good defense,
you can't trust Darnell Mooney or Anthony Miller.
And if it's on the other side of things,
you have Drew Brees who has traditionally struggled outdoors.
And now if he doesn't have Michael Thomas,
I don't care that Callaway played well last week.
I don't care that Deontay Harris played well last week.
I don't care that Traquan Smith has looked good at times
without Michael Thomas on the field.
I'm not trusting them outdoors in bad weather.
So that game to me would be completely off,
completely off from a passing game standpoint
if Thomas and Robinson don't play
because Emmanuel Sanders is most likely out as well.
What have we been saying about Drew Brees all year?
He's not challenging downfield very often
and his arm strength is a question mark.
Now you're going to have him throw in a 20 mile an hour wins?
Alvin Kamara, 15 catches.
So here's a broader question though, right?
Because we just keep eliminating players.
Who are going to be the wide receiver flyers
that end up in your top 40 or top 48 or whatever?
I'll give you a preview of what you guys are going to be answering on today's FFT.
So if we do have all these guys out for the injury replacement guys,
the receivers I'm going to ask you about are the following.
If we get these injuries.
So we got, sorry
I had pulled up.
Who would you prefer? Darnell Mooney,
Scott Miller, Preston
Williams, Rashard Higgins, Denzel
Mims, Jacoby Myers,
Mecole Hardman, or Jerry Judy. These are the injury
replacements if the guys in front of them are out, meaning
no Allen Robinson, no Chris Godwin,
no Devante Parker, no
Tim Patrick, no Odell Beckham, no Tim Patrick. Those no Devontae Parker, no... Tim Patrick.
No Odell Beckham.
Those are just guys based on injuries,
not necessarily weather?
Just based on injury replacements.
Scott Miller is my answer.
Who?
Nelson Aguilar.
Scott Miller.
Yeah, you could pivot to Nelson Aguilar, sure.
But if the weather's bad...
I think Hunter Renfro is going to be
the best Raiders receiver this week
because the Browns can't cover slot receivers at all.
I was going to say Nelson Aguilar,
but I just think the weather's going to be too bad to trust the downfield
threat.
Who's going,
you know,
that's his game right now.
I think Greg Ward is better than most of the guys on that list.
Greg Ward is a great one too.
But Greg Ward also has like one game with more than like 50 yards.
He got 11 targets.
Isn't he a touchdown or bust receiver?
Especially now that they're getting more guys back in Philadelphia.
You've got to be concerned, but the matchup is so good.
It's hard to overlook what the matchup is.
And then you factor in that last week, the minute Deshaun Jackson goes down,
his targets went up.
And who knows if Rager's going to come in and be 100% healthy
dealing with a thumb injury.
Oh, sure. Rager's not.
You can't count on Rager in fantasy this week.
No, no, no, no. Rager impacting Greg Ward.
He'll take a few targets away from everybody. If it's the same trio we saw last week and then throw Rager and Fantasy this week. No, no, no, no. Rager impacting Greg Ward. He'll take a few targets away from everybody.
If it's the same trio
we saw last week and then throw Rager into it, I think
Ward's in a great spot.
Yeah, okay. And Jared
Cook is the only other guy we haven't talked about in this game.
He's so uninvolved. He's had
two to five targets in four or five games.
He does catch touchdowns, though.
Jared Cook or
Trey Burton?
Burton and PPR.
I think they're very close.
So low-end starter, we'll call them.
And the DSTs are in play, I'm guessing here.
Yeah, especially the Saints.
For Jamie, they have him third.
Dave likes the Bears a little bit better.
Tampa Bay at the Giants.
You know, do I have a stat of the game?
I think it was the Fournette
thing that he's had more touches than Ronald Jones
and that it's now five
games in a row where a running back
has not had a carry of longer
than 14 yards against the Giants.
So with Jones
having a reduced role when Fournette's
been healthy and
sorry to say it, but the Giants seem to have a pretty good run
defense. They struggle in the passing game against running backs. How confident healthy and sorry to say it but the giants seem to have a pretty good run defense they struggle
in the passing game against running backs uh how confident are you in ronald jones i think by nature
of the position this week he's a number two option and you like him better in leagues where catches
do not count because he's probably not going to get any catches that count himself he probably
won't get thrown the ball very often but he's still averaging almost five yards per run.
He's 15 for 15 on converting downs of three yards or less,
including three for three on touchdowns.
So until he loses that type of opportunity,
I think he still carries some decent value
and they should be able to run,
maybe not necessarily effectively against the Giants,
but quantity should be there.
So 15 touches is still within range for Ronald Jones, if you ask me.
Okay.
Yeah.
And I think we all feel like he has a pretty good chance to find the end zone.
That happens a lot against the Giants.
I do think Fournette's got a chance at a dozen touches,
but maybe almost half of them come through the air.
He's looked good as a pass catcher, and they clearly like him in that role, they've said as much.
They're Nickelback.
Yeah, I love that.
Yeah, except I don't like Nickelback.
I've been wrestling with Montgomery versus Fournette.
I've got Montgomery higher in my rankings right now,
and I think I've got to just tilt it down.
Fournette should be your guy.
Let me just tell you why,
because I just don't trust Bruce
Arians. We saw it
so much last year. If the roles
are the same, have you watched
the running backs play?
I think that's really the most important thing you could do
is go back and watch them.
This is going to be a game where it's my only
concern about Brady. The Giants offense isn't going to do very
much, and we saw it against the Packers
a couple weeks ago that
Brady could have a great game.
I'm starting him without question, but
they could just do whatever they want to
defensively in this game because the Giants are so bad
that...
Sorry.
It's true. The Giants are so bad
that this could be a game where
both running backs get 15 touches.
I mean, they could do that.
It's not a Bruce Arians thing that they, you know,
give that much work to their backs.
But still, it's just the Giants stink.
Yeah.
I just think the reason I love Brady is because this is probably
his last chance to stick it to the Giants after the two Super Bowl losses.
And he's going to do that.
You know, this has kind of been...
Oh, he's not petty like that, is he?
No, not at all.
That's why he didn't shake his hand.
All right, so you have Brady.
Jamie has him one spot ahead of Lamar Jackson
and now ahead of Tannehill because of weather.
No, I switched it again.
You switched it? Okay.
Yeah.
Okay, Jack.
What?
I thought I just refreshed.
All right, fine.
I switched it.
Jackson, Brady, Tannehill,
they're all very close in the rankings.
You guys going Carson Wentz or Tom Brady?
Wentz. I'll take Wentz.
That's how it will be ranked soon
after this podcast. Okay.
And then Gronkowski
is a top seven tight end. Gronkowski
or Hunter Henry?
I'll take Henry, but it's close. Gronk or
Fant? Gronk.
Gronk. Gronk.
Sterling, Shepard, or those wide receivers that Jamie just rattled off?
Like Scott Miller?
I'll take Shepard.
I'll take Shepard if it's PPR.
I won't take Shepard if it's none.
I'll take Miller this week.
All right.
Yeah, there's nothing good here for the Giants.
Evan Ingram, start or sit?
Sit.
I finally found a way to get him out of my top 12.
Hey.
I'd rather start Jimmy Graham in PPR than Evan Ingram.
And I'm worried for him that he's going to see his role reduced after his last game.
I mean, they're standing by him, but...
They should.
He's too talented, but it's been...
But if he's costing them plays and wins,
they've got Caden Smith to turn to if they really wanted.
His name's been brought up in trade talks.
Don't confidently start him,
but good tight ends have been mostly solid against Tampa Bay.
They've faced some pretty tough tight ends so far this year.
I don't know how you can have confidence in Evan Ingram at this point.
I don't know how much confidence the Giants have in Evan Ingram at this point. I don't know how much confidence the Giants
have in Evan Ingram at this point.
Dallas at Philadelphia Sunday night.
The case for the Dallas Cowboys
is that the, or the Eagles rather,
is that the Cowboys stink. They have a horrible defense.
The case against... It got worse.
It got worse this week.
By what? Cutting
Don Terry Bow? They traded Emerson Griffin,
who was their best passer maybe cutting don terry bow
might be good for them he was and he was horrible apparently i've never seen a guy that big get
moved around so much by average offensive lineman uh anyway um the eric flowers would like a word
problem if the problem uh is that carson wentz in my opinion is having a really
well i'll just say this he's having a terrible year statistically it's a fantasy versus reality
thing yeah his fantasy numbers have been good his reality has been bad he's on pace for right
now he's not on pace he's at a career low career percent completion percentage I'll get that out right. What do you think his passer rating is?
Let's take a guess.
88.8.
Jamie Carson Wentz passer rating?
85.
74.3.
He's not having a good season.
But all things considered,
his entire offensive line has been a mess.
Still is.
Well, Kelsey's been consistent.
But he's getting guys back.
His running back has missed now two games.
His receiving core has been a disaster.
His top two tight ends have missed time.
I mean, for what he's had to deal with,
give the guy some credit.
You know, so...
The fact that he's been able to produce
for his fantasy managers,
and now he gets this set up with guys coming back,
Rager coming back, Jason Peters coming back.
I hope they put Peters at guard because the kid they've been playing
has actually done a nice job.
And Peters was terrible at tackle.
And Lane Johnson may play.
So, you know, the opportunity that's in front of Wentz,
not just this week, but moving forward,
because coming off their bye week,
you could have Jeffrey and Goddard back.
Okay, I understand you guys like Carson Wentz this week,
and I understand why.
This will be potentially their...
Okay, they're like seven and a half point favorites.
So just real quick, are you concerned about
them taking their foot off the gas
in the passing game and not throwing that much?
It could happen toward the end of the game.
It's not a Doug Peterson MO.
It's not a Brian Wentz thing.
And as good as Boston Scott may be as a fantasy asset,
they can't run the ball with a lot of success.
This is going to be Boston Scott doing what he did last week,
which is going to have to help you in the passing game.
Well, that is my next question.
I'll just agree with that.
I think he could end up being okay as a runner this week.
Still, it's such a bad defense that he's going against.
And there were times last week where he looked really good running the football.
Okay, but my next question was, if you're worried about Boston Scott,
if you are, against Dallas where the only thing they do well
is stop pass-catching running backs,
second fewest receiving yards per game,
is there like kind
of a hidden bus potential there for boston scott are you or are you confident in him the hidden
potential would be in dallas's defense playing better than expected in dallas's offense also
playing better than expected and it changed the the game flow when they when they do run
and dave was right he ran well last week this wasn't about him not running well last week this is more about how much they run him right and so i don't think this is a kenyan drake 20
carry 120 yard game for boston scott this is a 12 to 15 carry 60 yard game for boston scott on the
ground what's going to put him over the top will be whatever he does in the passing game and i do
think based on how philly will play will sort'll sort of change things. You remember last week with Washington, Dave was very excited about JD McKissick.
They were throwing to their running backs
because they were chasing points all the time.
They were playing with a lead last week,
which is why McKissick wasn't as involved.
And Gibson had over 100 yards for the first time in his career.
Philly doesn't do that.
Yeah.
Philly was throwing to their backs no matter what the game flow is.
That was one of Jacob Gibbs' stats.
They have a 65% pass rate, even when they're leading,
which is by far the highest in the NFL.
Rank the wide receivers in this game.
Fulgham, Cooper.
I can't believe Fulgham's ahead of everybody.
What a year it's been.
Cooper, Lamb, Ward.
Gallup. Gallup had a rager. No, you're not going to do it? Okay. Gallup.
I put Gallup ahead of Rager.
No, you're not going to do it?
Yeah, he did.
I thought you said Rager first.
I will flip-flop Lamb and Cooper.
So Fulgham, Lamb, Cooper, and then the rest.
What's your reasoning for liking Lamb more than Cooper?
I think the outside corners for Philadelphia are going to be good.
And I think Danucci can make it easy throwing to lamb on those shorter
targets underneath.
I think volume will help lamb.
Well,
100% of Ben Danucci's passing yards have gone to Amari Cooper,
all 39 of them.
He threw three passes and Cooper caught two of them for 39 yards.
Richard Rogers plays well,
because it would be,
it would be good for Dallas
if they can get good quarterback
play out of him and then they don't have to worry about
playing Dalton again. This is a
great opportunity for Richard Rodgers who's in
your top 12.
Would you start him over
TJ Hawkinson?
Yes.
How about
Jared Cook or Rodgers?
Rodgers.
I have Cook higher.
It probably should be Rodgers over Cook in full PPR.
Okay, Philadelphia DST is top four.
And our last game is Minnesota at Green Bay.
So stat of the game number one,
the Packers have held Calvin Ridley, Mike Evans, and Chris Godwin
to a combined six catches for 58 yards on 14 targets.
And then the following week, Will Fuller and Brandon Cooks
had okay games, 12 to 13 PPR fantasy points.
So they are usually doing a pretty decent job against wide receivers.
But the real stats of this game is going to be the weather.
It's just going to determine everything.
Otherwise, you pretty much know what to do.
I saved this for last for a reason.
You're sitting cousins unless like they were perfect weather,
then you might be more interested in him and you're starting cook and you're
starting Jamal Williams and you're starting Aaron Rogers and you're starting
Devante Adams and you're starting Adam Thielen.
So it's really like Justin Jefferson is a tough call and maybe the tight ends.
The wind has to be a significant factor to Sid Jefferson.
He's played so well otherwise.
And I think the target volume is going to continue to be better
than the five per game that he was getting before his last game.
Who do you think has a higher average depth per target?
Adam Thielen or Justin Jefferson?
I think it's Thielen.
You are correct, sir.
14.1 yards.
He's had a few more downfield throws than Jefferson.
Yeah, and I bring that up.
I mean, you got to start looking at that.
Who are the downfield guys?
But you know Thielen can be a short area guy.
They both can.
They both can.
They're both lined up in the slot, out wide, run short routes, run deep routes. They both can. They both can. They're both lined up in the slot,
out wide, run short routes, run deep routes.
They both can do it.
Okay.
Irv Smith is still at this point just a flyer,
but there have been three tight ends
with four or more targets against Green Bay.
All three of them have 51 or more yards.
They were Hawkinson, Hurst, and Gronkowski.
Smith has had two straight games
with five targets. If he gets that,
chances are he's going to have a decent game.
I hope so. He's got
so much talent.
Robert Tanyan outside the top
20. Green Bay DST,
would you consider moving them up?
They are like 15th
Packers.
That'll be a Sunday morning move if the weather's bad.
Okay.
They're going to be good for a couple of sacks
and a couple of turnovers of Cousins anyway,
but it'll just be better if it's 20-mile-an-hour winds.
Dalvin Cook's going to have a huge game.
It's going to be fun for Dalvin Cook.
From your lips to Walter Payton's ears.
That's it for today's show.
I want to thank Kevin Roth for coming on,
giving us that weather update.
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And Dave and Jamie,
thank you guys very much.
We got our mailbag that will air on Halloween.
Make sure you're watching the movie Sinister.
It is awesome.
And the haunting of Hill House is the best
horror thing I've seen in like my whole life
so watch that have a great weekend
everybody good luck and we'll see you soon