Fantasy Football Today - Start or Sit (NFC): Ranking Replacement RBs, Jaylen Waddle, Kyler Murray, AJ Brown, Etc. (10/03 Fantasy Football Podcast)
Episode Date: October 3, 2025What a game last night! Should the Rams have kicked the field goal or did they make the right decision in going for it? Are we worried about the fumbles from Kyren Williams? And we talk about the sur...prising studs for the 49ers before updating you on the news and notes (11:55) with Chuba Hubbard and Bucky Irving out. We spend a lot of time discussing the replacement running backs on today's show ... One Question for Each Game (18:00)! Start or Sit A.J. Brown? Sean Tucker? Jaylen Waddle? Chris Olave? Woody Marks? ... Start or Sit for Broncos-Eagles (30:00), Bucs-Seahawks (43:30), Giants-Saints (53:35), Dolphins-Panthers (59:30), Texans-Ravens (1:08:05) and Titans-Cardinals (1:15:10) ... Email us at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Shop our store: shop.cbssports.com/fantasy SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179 FOLLOW FFT Dynasty on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1 SUBSCRIBE to FFT DFS on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dfs/id1579415837 FOLLOW FFT DFS on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5zU7pBvGK3KPhfb69Q1hNr?si=1c5030a3b1a64be2 Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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What a play!
Can you believe this?
It's a no idea.
It's time to dominate your fantasy league.
Off to the races and he stays on his feet.
It's just going to go the distance.
Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath.
Happy Friday, everybody, and welcome to fantasy football today.
We are breaking down six NFC home games.
Actually, we snuck in an AFC home game.
But Denver at Philadelphia, Tampa Bay at Seattle, Giants at the Saints.
I'm going to let the chat decide how to fill in the blank on something in a moment.
Miami at Carolina, Houston at Baltimore and Tennessee at Arizona.
I am so confident that the Giants are going to beat the Saints, even though they are underdogs.
I am so confident that if they lose, I will blank on the show next week.
And I'm only going to read the appropriate ones.
But do you want to think about it in the chat?
I'm willing to make a bet against nobody.
The Giants are definitely going to two and three
with a win over the Saints.
I'm feeling it.
Maybe I'm just feeling good because that was a very fun Thursday night game.
San Francisco 26, Rams 23.
Did he make the right decision in going for it?
Yes.
Of course.
It's just a bad play.
You know, I wonder, I haven't read this.
I read the recap article.
I haven't come across this.
I'm wondering if the new kickoff rules factored into his decision.
We have seen how easy it is for teams to return it to the 35 or even better
and getting field goal range pretty quickly.
And San Francisco wouldn't have had much trouble kicking a game-winning field goal.
I'm wondering if that had anything to do with the decision for McVeigh.
But there you go.
All right.
Fun game.
The play call was terrible.
terrible though. Why was the play call terrible? To run the ball? What's so bad about that?
Which is where he decided to run it. I think, well, first off, Stafford was on fire.
Kyron was making so many plays out of the backfield. Like, you put the ball in your best
player's hand at that point. Puka's hands?
Stafford's hands. That would have been better than what they did.
Kyrin was having a great game. Kairan was had a great game catching the ball too,
except, I mean, he had dropped, but, you know, the play designs were just wide open all over the place.
I struggle with the past plays on fourth down when the quarterback can't move, you know,
because he has pretty much no chance of running for it.
But, okay, I'm looking for a shave three lines in my head, shave lines in my eyebrows,
stop talking about tennis.
Oh, what's that one?
Eat a sandwich while leaving the stick in.
We haven't talked about that in a really long time.
wear the Star Trek shirt
for a week straight
Give blood on air
And pass out when the Giants lose
Sing a Taylor Swift song
All right, well, we'll consider it
All right, other taking it in there
We're just giving me money
I didn't see that one
It's funny, I must have missed that way
Oh, sure you didn't
All right, so Brock Purdy is week to week, by the way
And Pukinakua is the first
wide receiver in NFL history
with more than 50 catches
in his team's first five games, by the way.
And the 49ers lost two more
starting defensive lineman in the game, by the way.
But Mack Jones has scored 26 or more fantasy points
in two of his three starts.
He's thrown 39 or more passes in all three of his starts.
He's at Tampa Bay next week.
We'll talk about him during the Waver Wire Show for sure.
But what do we think about Kendrick Bourne?
4% roster, 10 catches, 142 yards.
Is there anything to this?
And Jake Tongis had a good game, too.
Kittle eligible to return next week.
But, Jamie, as you evaluate the...
Can you take anything away from this game?
I guess, from a fantasy standpoint?
Well, yeah.
I mean, Mac Jones looks great.
I wonder if, I don't think there's going to be a quarterback controversy,
but he's played very well now in his time as the starter.
It just goes to show that the system is so good.
I do wonder if Mac Jones, from a future perspective,
so anybody that's in Superflex Dynasty Leagues that picked him up this week because he was dropped
will hold him because, I mean, look what these teams have done for these quarterbacks.
Daniel Jones now coming off of half a season with Minnesota,
Sam Darnold, Baker-Mayfield,
like these guys get good coaching and they look better.
And so maybe Mac Jones has that opportunity in the right place.
I think Kendrick Bourne clearly is somebody that's going to be a factor
if there's no Ricky Pearson and Joanne Jennings next week.
You have to buy into that.
You do have the likelihood of George Kittle coming back, so keep that in mind.
But if you picked up Kendrick-Born, you should definitely be holding on to him.
Yeah.
I mean, I don't know what else.
McCaffrey's awesome.
Well, are we buying into Stafford?
He's got two straight games of...
Oh, I don't know if you wanted the Rams, I'm sorry.
Yeah, no, that's fine.
Yeah, I mean, I thought Stafford would play well,
mostly because of the 49ers injuries
and what they look like defensively.
So it's more a play against San Francisco at this point.
I know Dave was concerned about the history for Stafford,
which made sense.
But just looking at what this team looks like at this point,
like you can play your quarterbacks against San Francisco right now.
So Stafford moving forward,
it'll probably be a game-by-game basis,
but he's certainly in the mix with five weeks now,
Lamar Jackson's down, Brock Purdy's down, you know,
so guys that were starting quarterbacks
are on the Custle starting quarterbacks,
and then you factor in the guys were struggling.
Like, you love the way Stafford is playing at this point.
He played phenomenal last night.
The reason why I was especially worried about Stafford
was because I didn't know how much he'd actually have to throw in the game.
I didn't think that this game would be close at all.
I thought the 49ers would struggle,
did not think that they'd come out on fire like they did.
The first half was amazing.
And so Stafford had to step up.
And boy, did he ever.
So I feel like an idiot for not having them ranked nearly as high as you did or even as he did.
How about their matchups coming up after this week?
It's at Baltimore.
We know their defense is banged up.
If it stays that way, you got to love Stafford in that matchup.
And then Jacksonville.
And then after the buy, it's New Orleans.
Yes, this is absolutely a guy you can count on as a fantasy starter.
At least you can consider him with other guys that you might have on your team.
Okay.
I'm not sure that you're talking about in the short term,
you can count on him as a fantasy starter.
Yeah.
Yeah.
In the long term, I mean, the guy,
remember, he's thrown over 40 passes each of the last two games.
I don't know.
If that's the regular, then great.
He's thrown for 375 or more yards and three touchdowns.
Usually, if he's in like the low 30s or, you know, 33-ish pass attempts,
he gives you zero rushing yards.
So he's a streamer, usually.
But maybe we're on to something here because he's looking great.
Devante Adams has been good.
I mean, a little bit of a disappointing game
because you expect a little more
than 13.8 fantasy points,
but you'll take it, 11 targets.
His catch rate is less than 50%.
We're five weeks in.
It's weird, but he looks good out there.
How do you feel about your terrible trade?
I don't, I really, I don't get your take.
Like, I traded for a running back
who had been better than the running back I had
and a wide receiver who had been better
than the wide receiver I had,
and I got a high-end handcuff,
and you're telling me I lost the trade.
I just don't understand.
You'll take 5 for 88 on 11.
Targets from Jamar Chase this week.
I do not get where you're coming from on this.
I just enjoy busting your balls, this one.
I get it.
I still see a good, if the Giants lose,
I have to agree with all of Dan's terrible takes
until he figures it out.
That's great.
Yeah, unfortunately, I think Dan's going to listen to today's show.
But if he does it, I will do that.
Last thing, are we worried about Kyron Williams
with the fumble?
He is now fumbled in two straight games.
I think if you're concerned, you'll just look at Blake Horm and the bad, you know,
a drop that he had and the fumble he had as well, you know, so it's not like he had a perfect game.
If he had a perfect game, then I think you'd be a little bit concerned.
So the fact that they went right back to Kiron after he fumbled is still telling.
He's got to do better.
I mean, I don't know how much longer Sean McVeigh will, you know, continue to deal with that
because it cost them the game essentially, you know, two key fumbles like he had.
But still, it's not like Blake Horm did anything to help himself.
is Jarkwez Hunter on the radar next week when we're making our waiver claims?
Does he get an opportunity because I'm not going to pick him up?
Of Corum's fumble.
Corum technically didn't fumble, but everybody saw the play.
And after that, he was essentially benched.
He didn't get another carry the rest of the game.
He only played four snaps the rest of the game.
And if Kyron keeps fumbling near the goal line,
I just can't help but wonder if that dude gets an opportunity sometime down the line.
in the deepest of leagues, if he's available, I might consider him.
All right, one more thing, guys.
I feel like I haven't done a good enough job on this show talking about desperation plays
because I was desperate and I picked up Kendrick Bourne last night.
And that's not in a super deep league.
That's just a league where I have buys and injuries and people need to pick up these types
of players sometimes.
So if you think of any throughout this show when we preview the games to say,
desperation play, this guy could have five targets or something like that, just fire them,
fire away. On Sunday, we've got FFT Express. We're going to record about 7.45 should be published by about
8.15 a.m. Then we've got 8.30 to 9.30 a.m. on YouTube.com slash fantasy football today.
And then noon to 1 p.m. on, again, YouTube.com slash fantasy football today. So 8.30 a.m.
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Join us.
Also, just keep an eye on CBS Sports HQ throughout the day,
especially from noon to one where Dave and Jamie are going to be on giving advice.
And we'll talk to you.
We'll talk to you then.
An email from Cody.
Cody sent me an article from Yahoo, which was really just talking about an interview that
David Montgomery did with Kay Adams, where he talked about how excited he is to play in his hometown
of Cincinnati.
He has never played in Cincinnati.
His family is going to be there.
there. He mentioned that his sister, a year and a half ago, got into a car accident and is paralyzed
from the neck down, and she is going to be able to see him play, I think, for the first time.
So it's like a huge game for David Montgomery. I wouldn't ordinarily bring that up, but I'm
feeling this vibe here, and now I'm rooting for him so hard. So if you're on the fence of
David Montgomery, this is a really, really important game for him. He wants to show up and show
out for his family. That's going to be attendance in his hometown.
All right. And the Bengals suck.
Yeah. News and notes, Lamar Jackson not expected to play this week. It seems like he's
unlikely to play next week against the Rams. Jaden Daniels starting, Baker-Mayfield back at
practice. Running back news, we know about the Cardinals. Buckie Irving still hasn't practiced.
We're not expecting him as of now. But the big news, Chuba Hubbard, according to reports,
not expected to play. So they've got Miami and then Dallas and then the Jets.
don't know how long this will be.
He has a calf injury.
He could linger.
Go pick up Rico Dattle.
Dave, where's Rico Dattle on your...
You know, we have this game coming up,
but where is Rico Dadoado on your rankings?
20th.
Number two, fantasy running back.
Jamie?
Right now, I think it's 18, 19, right in that range.
He had 10 games last season
with at least 15 total touches,
and he scored 14.6 PPR points or more in six of them.
so he's shown he could do well when given extended workload the matchup against miami is fantastic
their top five and most fantasy points allowed to opposing running backs so unless you fear
trevor etienne most likely has the new backup taking a lot of work away from dowdell it should be
an opportunity for him to dominate touches and have a big day i think that's what we should count on
who do you like better to stash because you were a trevor et n guy when we were in the preseason
would you rather have et n or isaiah davis jami
Isaiah Davis now, because he's one step away from being the guy with Braylin Allen on IR.
I think if, unless his injury for Hubbard is long term, you know, it doesn't sound like it.
So I would just anticipate him still being third.
You're going to start Dowdell over Michael Carter, I'm sure.
Dowdell, so we'll find out maybe before the show was over, certainly hopefully,
hopefully by the end of mailbag today, uh, Bucky Irving status.
So I'm writing a story just for the site.
You can check it out at cbosports.com
just making sense of all these situations.
I'm going to have it ranked Dowell 1,
Rashad White, 2, Michael Carter 3 of the replacement options.
Okay, all right.
Let's see.
Wide receiver news, Debo Samuel has not been practicing.
He was working off to the side,
but he did make the trip to Los Angeles.
So I think we're still expecting Debo to play.
Terry McLaren and Noah Brown are out.
I don't even know if I'd call it desperation at this point.
but I see a lot of people picking up Luke McCaffrey.
So that's another guy, Desperation play.
Luke McCaffrey could be in line for Big World,
especially if Debo is out.
But again, if Zach Ertz is available,
you can look at him as well.
Michael Pittman was downgraded to limited.
We'll keep an eye on that.
He has a hamstring injury,
Alec Pierce practice in full.
Calvin Ridley missed practice again.
Dallas got a return to practice,
but Brock Bowers missed practice.
So he went from practicing in full last week,
Brock Bowers, to limited on Wednesday,
to missing practice on Thursday.
Are we concerned here about Brock Bowers and his availability?
Not yet, but, you know, today we'll be telling clearly.
It's just not encouraging from his production standpoint and confident standpoint.
So you're not benching him unless you somehow managed to get Jake Ferguson and Brock Bowers on the same team.
It's just this is the – these are the situations you hate when guys are playing but not healthy.
okay and joan johnson was upgraded to limited but uh also foster morrow and tason hill were limited
so we'll see who ends up playing there and we are worried about the raven's defense they are
super beat up seattle's secondary is is pretty beat up right now we'll see if those guys end up
playing they got tampa bay detroit secondary is beat up they're at cincinnati although terrian
arnold looks like he will play and that's pretty much oh and travon walker for the jaguars he
wrist surgery, but he might be able to play on Monday against Kansas City.
Just to go back to your Bowers note, you brought this up about Trey Tucker's two games where he
was heavily involved, that he may have been dropped in some 10 team leagues and maybe even some
12 team leagues.
It might not be a bad idea to go back to him because if they are going to limit or be concerned
about Bowers, then that's something.
And obviously, if you're desperate, Michael Mayer.
Yeah.
Tucker could be on the desperation list.
But he's rostered in probably too many leagues
I think Adam's looking for more for like
the not in my league type guys
Yeah and what do I know
I really thought that Brock Bowers looked pretty good last week
Running around
I thought he looked smoother and just better
Than he had in previous weeks
And now he's not practicing
Maybe he got shaken up during the game
Maybe
Could you give up a bench player for Trey Tucker
If you're desperate at receiver?
I think it's conceivable
I mean yeah
Okay, let's take a break
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okay
one question for each game
Denver's at Philadelphia
rank the Philadelphia
the Philadelphia wide receivers
versus the Denver running backs
Brown's still at the top for me
but it's close between him and Dobbins
I give the lean to Dobbins
and non-PPR.
Devante Smith is behind those guys
and R.J. Harvey is
significantly behind those three.
Dobbins one,
Brown, two,
Smith three,
Harvey four.
One more time,
Smith,
okay,
Dobbins.
The only difference is
Demons over AJ in full PPR.
Tampa Bay is at Seattle.
What are your thoughts
on the Bucks running backs?
we're assuming Bucky Irving is out.
The Seahawks have not allowed a carry,
a running back carry longer than 13 yards this year.
They have a great run defense.
Jamie, what are your thoughts on the Bucke's running backs?
They have a great run defense,
and as I told you yesterday,
they're one of three teams yet to allow a rushing touchdown
to a running back.
However, they are number one in most receptions allowed to running backs,
and number one in most receiving yards allowed to running backs.
And so here comes Rashad White coming off a four-catch game,
a guy that has 50 catches in every year of his career and somebody who I think will have a lot of
opportunities to make plays in the passing game.
So I think White is, say, number two running back in PPR, a little bit lower and non-PPR.
Maybe he'll be the first one or Sean Tucker will be the first one to fall into the end zone against
them running the ball.
But from a passing down's perspective, I think we can see five plus catches for Rashad White.
And his track record, for the most part, when he gets a lot of work has been very good.
But will he get a lot of work in this game because of Tucker?
and maybe what the score could be if they're playing from behind.
I do think that would favor him,
but we'll see how this goes for Tampa Bay.
But if there is no Bucky Irving,
I think Rashad White again,
I would play him over Michael Carter.
I'd play him behind Rico Dattle of the backup guys this week.
I feel the exact same way.
The only thing I'd want to point out is who the Seahawks have played,
running backs that have caught well against them.
Catherine and Jalen Warren, you.
Yeah, I mean, Jailen Warren,
that's the game he had like a monster.
Oh, maybe it's not the game that he had a monster play.
No, it is.
Remember that big catch and run
that Jalen Moore had?
That was against Seattle and we two,
wasn't that?
Yep.
Okay.
They're vulnerable there.
I think you're counting on volume
and targets for Rashad White.
Jamie summed it up very well.
Giants are at the Saints.
Rank V.
wide receivers in this game.
I'll tell you the Giants
give up the second most fantasy points
to wide receivers,
partially because they,
for some reason,
just see so many pass attempts.
But rank the wide receivers
in the Giants' Saints game.
Malik Neighbors with a torn ACL
Alave 1
Lave 1, Slayton 2, Wondell 3
She 8 4
I will take Wondale over Slayton if it's full
PPR otherwise I agree with the order
I'm so sick of Wondale
I'm just
This is not the first year that we've bought into
a decent stretch from Wondell Robinson
He's just not that good
Can't make any contested catches
For what it's worth and I don't think it's worth much
the Saints that are giving up the second few
as receiving yards to slot receivers.
It's one of the stats as I've been kind of, you know,
I don't know if I'd call that an advanced stat,
but something that I never used to have access to.
One of the stats that I have found the least reliable
is yards to slot receivers,
but so far they've been good there.
But I'm just like, what upside does Wando have?
I mean, I guess you could catch a touchdown.
He got an end zone target last week.
Both Giants receivers are very dicey plays for obvious reasons.
Yeah.
Miami's at Carolina
How do you rank
Tedroa McMillan
Jalen Waddle
or I guess
Rico Dowdell now
and I was originally
going to ask Carolina
running back
but now it's Dato
so McMillin Waddle
Dowdell
Waddle Macmillan Dowdell
I have it the same way
Jalen Waddle scored
I think 28 fantasy points
in the only game he's played
without Tyree Kill
over the last three years
something crazy
Houston at Baltimore
But I have some concerns about that by the way
But Houston at Baltimore
Is Woody Marks a must start?
Yep, yes
How does he compare to
The replacement running backs?
Ahead of them all.
Wow.
Agreed.
No.
Really?
It's close with Rico
But ahead of them all.
Okay, I'll take doubt all over Woody Marks.
I just get this,
are you afraid that it's going to be like,
oh, come on, really?
they're still using Nick Chubb for 12, 13 carries.
That's, that's my favorite.
I mean, I think that's fair.
But so when, again, the story that I'm writing, you know, just about a third of the way into it, it's matchup plus opportunity for Dowdell is fantastic.
Except there's one guy, I didn't really include marks in the story, but there's one guy's got a better matchup.
And that's what he marks.
You know, it's, there's certainly the potential of Nick Chub.
And I will say this, you can, you could potentially start Nick Chub this week.
You know, so you're desperate, and I know I looked at one league, you know, Nick Chubb was dropped.
I get it.
He's been terrible and now maybe getting, you know, replaced, but he still had 15 total
touches last week, 13 carries, two catches.
And they could just decide they're going to use both of these guys to just run through
this paper defense that is so beat up.
So it wouldn't shock me if Nick Chub still has a good game, but I can't imagine Woody
Marks not being a significant part of this and doing as much damage, if not bad.
better, not necessarily from a fantasy point-wise, but from a touch standpoint, I guess, than he did last
week against Tennessee. So there's just so much of a perfect scenario for him that I like him
slightly better than Rico Dahl. Okay. I have seen Woody Marks take over Darya Gumbo Wally's
wall as the third down back each of the last two weeks. It wasn't just last week. And then in week four,
Marks played almost 65% of the snaps in the second half. So this coaching staff really
pretty quickly, if we want to run the ball and start doing some good things, we need to get
the kid on the field. And I expect that to continue. It wouldn't surprise me if Chub starts.
It wouldn't surprise me if Chub got, I mean, carries you'd say 12 or 13.
Yeah, 13 last week and two catches. Yeah, that would not, two catches would surprise me,
but the 13 carries would not surprise me in this game. And I still think Woody Marks will be better
in full PPR by a mile. Okay. Tennessee's at Arizona. Do you love anyone in this game other
than Trey McBride?
Kyler.
Man, I hope so.
I hope so.
I hope he's good, but every time we trust him, he kind of leaves us, he's just hanging a little bit.
No, I don't love anybody in this game other than McBride.
You know, most of the research we do is a week-to-week thing, right?
Just trying to figure out how to approach a guy for one week.
I took a look at Kyler Murray on the whole for the season.
and maybe I'll just tease it.
It's the last game we're going to talk about.
But I'll just say this.
Right now, he is the number 21 quarterback per game.
It's a little deceiving because basically everyone is, you know,
the Carson Wentz is of the world,
the guys who have made two starts or whatever,
they're in that mix too.
But his yards per attempt is a career low, 5.7.
It's horrible.
So you expect regression there.
He is running more than last year.
He is throwing more than last year.
These are great things.
but he is still missing one key element
that used to make him a must start
and that is deep ball completions explosive plays
he just doesn't get them anymore
he's got some bad drops too
yeah that's true but I mean
I'm just starting to wonder
when are we just gonna drop Kyler Murray
are we just is he's not far
from being a streamer I think but
not yet not yet because again
he's throwing more and passing more
than ever
well you say not this week but like the Titans of such a
at run defense, the teams don't really throw on them that much.
Yeah, but you're now talking about, look, I hope Michael Carter or Amarro DiMarcato,
for everybody that's picking them up is going to get some reward for this because the
matchup is fantastic.
But you are talking about a mobile quarterback.
You're talking about a scenario where there is a get-right situation here.
Yeah.
And so it should have a good game, you know, good game versus great game.
That's certainly debatable.
You know, is he going to get you the 22 points that he's had in two of his good games
or is going to get you north of 25, which is what I believe Sportsline hasn't projected for.
Like, they have him as a top three quarterback for this week.
So there's a tremendous scenario here for him to go beat up this defense,
which I think, like you said, a lot of the reason why this is,
we fall into this every year with teams like this where their run defense is so bad,
it sort of masks how bad their past defenses that if teams wanted to throw on them, they could.
So you have backup running backs here.
You have a mobile quarterback who, like you said, is throwing more and running more.
like he could easily not necessarily 55 passes away like Bryce Young into a good game he could have a 25 pass attempt game get multiple touchdowns and still give you his 35 to 40 rushing yards and be a very good fantasy quarterback this is a get right spot I guess it just has anybody watch exactly what it is and by the way I should have I should have included Marvin Harrison as a player I love because I have him as a top 20 receiver yeah me too there's four teams on by I don't everybody could see Marvin Harrison laying an egg again right but I can't help
it. There just aren't enough receivers, given injuries to quarterbacks, receivers, et cetera,
where I can look at Marvin Harrison and say, eh, I'd rather start somebody else. I don't think we're
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have pretty much already said it, but I want to throw it out there in a nice little soundbite for
everybody. Just do me a favor and rank the replacement running backs. Carter, Demercato, Dowdell,
Rashad White, Sean Tucker. Just give me how you rank those five guys. Jamie, you can go first.
Dowdell 1, White, 2, Carter 3, Demercato, 4, Tucker 5.
for this week I have it the exact same way regardless of format okay well I think just again if if you've picked up these guys or still have the opportunity to pick up these guys you have to weigh the long term potential of what the cardinal situation is versus the short two potentially long term situation for the other two scenarios so we know that trey Benson's out for at least four games so you know you're getting some semblance of production from either Carter or Di Mercado over the next four games including
this week. You don't know what you're getting from Rico Dattle. So if you just need a one-week
scenario, to me, to me, Duttle's the prize. Rishad White was rostered in too many leagues. So I don't
know if he's still out there. I would put him second. But in any event, like if you're looking at
Dowdell versus the Cardinals, it's a no-brainer for me. Okay. So Denver's at Philadelphia,
and that's where we're going to start. Stat of the game, I mean, I think about this, the Eagles,
don't usually give up a lot of big plays
and they gave up a 77-yard touchdown to a Bucca
and a 72-yard touchdown catch to Bucky Irving.
And even with those plays,
Baker Mayfield scored 22.9 fantasy points
in six-point-per-passing touchdown leagues.
So I think you guys are pretty low on Bo this week.
Are we sitting, Bo Nix?
I think you should try to.
Yeah.
Okay.
And also, I don't know if this matters,
but Bo Nix throws the second most pass attempts
at or behind the line of scrimmage
and the Eagles allow the sixth lowest completion rate
and the fourth lowest yards per attempt
on those types of throws.
They're really good tackling team.
So it's hard to get some yak on them.
All right, so Kyler Murray over Bo Nix.
Yes, easily.
Daniel Jones over Bo Nix.
How about Tua and Bryce Young?
I would.
Tua, yes.
I don't know if I can get there with Bryce Young.
All right.
I mean to it without Tyreek Hill, well, it's going to be tough, but that's a good game.
I'm looking forward to talking about that one.
All right, so how do you feel about J.K. Dobbins?
He's been, he's been good, but never great.
He's usually in the 15-ish point range.
It's pretty good.
It's good, but it's never, you know, it's very good for where you drafted him.
But start or sit Dobbins.
I would start him, but he is behind both Woody Marks and Rico Dado for this week.
So that's the point for me where I start to get a little bit skittish about the running back rankings.
And so I'd start Dobbins over Carter, for example.
I will start Rashad White over Dobbins if he's the guy for Tampa Bay as well.
So you saw last week some flashes for RJ Harvey, who knows how much more they start to give him work,
which would make some sense, especially if he's their passing down guy now.
But I think Dobbins still has enough cachet that what he's done through the start of the season,
warrants being used as a number two running back.
So it just depends, I think, what you're looking at for your team.
In a broad picture, I would prefer to sit him because of the matchup,
but I don't know how many people have that luxury.
Cashay.
I don't know that we've said that word on here.
That's a terrific word.
Word of the day.
It goes on the toilet paper this morning.
And we can't.
It was very encouraging with R.J. Harvey, but we have to see it again, right?
Yeah, I think just based on the bigger body of work
and taking into account who they played last.
week like it was it was smart by sean payton to get him going against the bangles and now you got
i think sort of try and see what he can do in a tougher matchup but like they're not going to
trust him in some of those situations okay dave you said that they were almost even in snap rate last
week but i believe harvey had more in the fourth quarter of a blowout game you said that you
liked marvin harrison when we talked about the arizona game that he was a top 20 guy how would
you compare him to Cortland Sutton?
I'd rather start,
I'd rather start Harrison, to be honest with you.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
I mean, Sutton's a great receiver,
but I just look at how the cornerbacks have played for Philadelphia.
I assume it'll be Quinyon Mitchell on Cortland Sutton.
No, they don't shadow, do they?
I mean, they stick with one guy on one side,
and they have a Dory Jackson get beat on the other side.
Okay, so if they do that, then yeah,
Cortland Sutton can have a good game.
I'm still starting them as a number two receiver.
But I would be a little bit nervous about him having a big game.
He's only got a 20.5% target share.
It's kind of flown under the radar.
He's not getting the targets that I was hoping for.
I mean, I would expect him to have more like a 25% to 30% target share,
but they've been spreading the ball around.
Thankfully, he does make big plays.
He scores touchdowns.
He's definitely an end zone target.
Three touchdowns for Sutton this year.
How about Troy Franklin?
How about Marvin Mims?
Any interest in these guys?
Put him in the desperation.
group. MIMS is the head of Franklin. And if MIMS is going to be one of those short area line
of scrimmage types of targets, you already talked about how Philadelphia is at defending those
types of players. That doesn't make me feel good about MIMS. It just sounds like we're giving
the Eagles a lot of respect for their defense, which we should. But I don't know if this is the
2024 Eagles defense. So they've given up, let's see, 20 points to Dallas, 17 points at Kansas
City, 26 to the Rams.
I don't think that the Rams had a defensive
touchdown there, and
25 to the Bucks. They gave up
those two huge plays, which were slightly
fluky. So,
I don't know, I mean, let's see,
the spread is 43 and a half. The Eagles
are three and a half point favorites, so that means the
Broncos team total is like
19, something like that,
20? No, it's 20, exactly.
So that's not, it's not a lot.
So, yeah, I think it seems like you guys just have kind of
muted lowered expectation for the for the broncos the only guy would start with any semblance of
confidence would be sudden okay sure and they've given up big games in ppr to nukua lamb abuca last
week the big play really made a difference for abuca if you think sultan can make one of those
plays or get double digit targets then consider him a number one receiver but i think he's more of a
number two on the eagle side of the ball is jalen i mean are there guys that you would actually start
over Jalen Hertz this week other than you know Josh Allen and fields drake may or hurts
I still go Hertz I think this is where you know you get back to the conservative eagles and
see a lot of Jalen Hertz on the ground you know he doesn't turn a ball over so you don't have to
necessarily fear that so much I mean he can but I can't imagine him having a lot of success with
the way that they've thrown the ball against the secondary you know this just feels like a bad
coming for A.J. Brown. It's hard to trust Devante Smith. You know, you might get the one
passing touchdown from Hertz, which seems to go to Dallas Goddard more so than anybody else.
So I just, I think he is who he is, you know, so I'm not going to the waiver wire to replace
him. I'm certainly not starting Sam Donald and Tuotongavaila over Jalen Hertz.
But if I had fields available to me and I could carry both quarterbacks, I would start fields over.
Okay, so Barclay, you know, this actually has not been that tough of a matchup. The Broncos
are giving up 4.6 yards per carry to running backs.
Barclay has had very tough matchups so far this year.
His schedule is going to get easier,
and he is averaging 3.1 yards per carry with a long of 16 yards.
It really can't be much worse than this for Barclay.
And he's still giving you 17.4 PPR fantasy points in three of four games.
Everyone's going to start Berkeley.
Now, Dave, who do I start over A.J. Brown?
How about at running back?
at running back, who are you starting over A.J. Brown?
Am I starting Rico Dattle? Am I starting Michael?
No, I wouldn't go that far.
I think I would.
I don't know if I would.
The one guy that might surprise you was David Montgomery.
I think Montgomery has a big game.
E.T.N., Judkins, Gentie, those types of guys I would start ahead of A.J. Brown.
I would get a little bit nervous going with Marks or Dowdell ahead of him.
because there's still there's still the potential of A.J. Brown having a huge second half or even a huge whole game.
If he can get away, he can line up in the slot a little bit more.
That's what he did against the Rams a couple of weeks ago.
To me, the problem is not A.J. Brown as much as it is Jalen Hertz and the offense just overall, not throwing as much as we like.
But when Jalen Hertz is on, he's going to find a bunch of ways to get the ball to A.J. Brown and he can still be good.
I still view him as a number two receiver.
It's happened one time so far this season.
They had nine targets last week, and they couldn't connect.
And now you're talking about...
Right.
That was on Hertz more than Brown.
And now you're talking about facing Patrick Sertan and that secondary.
Like, it's easy to get away from AJ Brown this week.
Jamie's got him 24th.
Dave has him 19th, and Heath has A.J. Brown 20th.
So some guys that are in the same range, Xavier Worthy,
you guys would start over A.J. Brown.
Cortland Sutton over A.J. Brown.
Tederoa McMillan.
And then you get to the guys like Jacoby Myers and Keenan Allen.
They're right behind Brown for Dave.
Jamie, do you have Jacoby Myers and Keenan Allen over A.J. Brown?
Yeah, I just think there's much more upside with those guys this week.
All right.
I mean, Alan's been significantly better than A.J. Brown and better matchup.
And Jacobi Myers has performed better than A.J. Brown and better matchup.
You know, so it's like, I don't want to trust the guy going against that secondary that has not been good.
All right. Just a few more here. How about...
There is a great...
A.J. Brown, because after this, it gets a lot easier.
How about Chris Godwin?
That's the one I've gone back and forth with.
Yeah, right back to...
Where do you have Godwin? Sorry.
It might be 23. It might be 25th.
Right now you have McConaughey Brown.
I moved McConkey ahead of both those guys.
Yeah, like Godwin's coming off a game with he just got 10 targets and they're probably
chasing points. It feels like there's a better opportunity for Godwin this week.
Starters at Dallas Goddard.
Oh, sorry, just to wrap it up on Devante Smith, I mean, it's just, if we don't really like, if we don't like Brown, you know, Smith, it's probably not going to have a great game.
So, but Dave has him 26.
Well, why?
Because if, if A.J. Brown is going to get shadowed by Patrick Sertan everywhere he goes, then that means the matchup will be easier for Devante Smith.
It's just the same issue, which is can Jalen Hertz throw accurately to Devante Smith?
Vegas is telling us what they think of this game.
Like, this does not feel like a lot of points.
Now, what's the total?
43 and a half.
Like, oh yeah, that's low.
This is, this is a Jalen Hertz run, Sequin Barclay run, 25 pass attempt game for Jalen Hertz.
Okay.
And starters sit Dallas, Goddard.
He's in that streaming conversation.
Touchdown or bust.
Okay.
Which DST do you prefer?
Eagles.
Yep.
And are you trying to get away from them this week?
Pick up a streamer.
Not the Eagles. The Broncos is the tougher one because, again, they don't, he doesn't typically take a lot of sacks. Jalen Hertz. He doesn't turn the ball over. They don't turn the ball over. And so I don't want to give up on the Broncos by any stretch. But if you're desperate, you know, like your team is struggling and you need to get a win and the Cardinals are sitting there. The Browns are sitting there. You may have to move on. That being said, the Rams defense was supposed to be good against a very beat-up San Francisco offense.
and they struggled.
And the Packers defense was supposed to be great
against the Cowboys last week,
and they struggled.
So you might as well just put them in the category
of start your studs and see what happens
because I think the Broncos defense
is still among the best in the league.
All right, let's take a break.
And I just want to point out, though,
that the Eagles defense, the DST,
they've only been good because they've had two touchdowns.
And one or both of them are on field goal blocks.
I can't remember.
I think just one.
So they have five sacks this year.
They've got injuries.
I do think that if you're looking at, again, the streaming options,
you could drop the Eagles for the streaming options.
That's what I'm saying, yeah, for the Cardinals.
But they also have two games coming up against the Giants.
Yeah, that's, they're going to lose.
All right, I'm not going to make any,
I'm not going to let the audience decide by punishment for those games, though.
We're going to take a break and talk about Tampa and Seattle,
or Tampa Bay in Seattle after this.
Baker Mayfield has scored 19.7 or more fantasy points
and six points for passing touchdown leagues in 10 straight games.
dating back to 2024.
He scored 22.9 or more in eight of his last 10 games.
He just always seems to find a way to produce.
You guys have Baker Mayfield as a low-end starter, around 12th.
So, Baker Mayfield or Dak Prescott at the Jets?
I think it's close.
And I slightly lean toward Dak.
All right.
Baker Mayfield or to a.
sung of Iloa.
Baker.
Baker.
All right.
So again, he's a low-end starter.
We already talked about the Tampa Bay running backs, so we won't go that far into it.
But, I mean, when Rashad White was out last year, both Sean Tucker and Bucky Irving had huge games.
When Bucky Irving left the game early last year, Rashad White had 17 carries for 90 yards
in a touchdown, plus two catches for 19 yards in a touchdown.
touchdown, 25 fantasy points, and they didn't really use Sean Tucker in that game.
So you have to be a little cautious.
But, you know, how close to where you would hypothetically rank Bucky Irving this week, if he were playing,
are you ranking Rashad White?
In other words, you know, what's the difference between Bucky?
Healthy Bucky?
Yeah, like, if a healthy.
Not this version of coming out of a walking group.
Right, right, right.
healthy bucky would have been top 10 healthy bucky would have been like top 15ish because it's not like he was running very well to begin with but that's not where i'm going to put rashad white where are you going to put what shot right low end number two running back i think we've talked about it enough he belongs behind riko dowdell but ahead of the cardinals running backs way ahead of like the chiefs and commanders running backs he's got an opportunity to catch four passes in total 70 yards yeah which is
I would have a low-end running back can do.
A low-end starting running back can do,
and he's got a shot to score, too.
I think he'll work near the goal line for Tampa.
Rashad White would be my favorite running back in this game.
Oh.
Over Walker.
Yes.
The Buccaneers have not allowed.
Okay, wait, hold on.
Let me get the stat right.
Dating back to 2024,
only one running back has more than 43 rushing yards against the bucks
in their last 13 games.
one running back is more than 43 rushing guards
against Tampa Bay in their last 13 games.
It was worth saying it twice.
It's a tough matchup.
Do we know who's playing for Tampa's defense
because they took on a ton of injuries last week?
A lot of them were in the secondary.
Yeah, you're right.
I'm looking out with their practice report.
It looks like they'll be at full strength.
Good.
I don't know if I can go Rashad White over Walker, though.
Like, I get it, matchup's tough, Walker's going to share.
And Seattle, for what it's worth, should throw a lot.
I just, I don't know if I can get there between,
because it just feels like there's way more upside for Walker
than there is for Rashad White.
This is a tough game.
There are a lot of really tough ones to break down here.
I start right over Dobbins, too.
All right, so we're going to preview this game as if Bucky's out.
So how many of the wide receivers in this game
would you start over Rashad White?
JSN, obviously, who else?
And Abuka.
Abuka?
Okay.
I would consider Godwin.
I think I'd go Godwin over him, too.
Would you start Godwin over Ken Walker, Zach Charbonnet, and Sean Tucker?
I would go Rashad White and Ken Walker over Godwin.
I would start Godwin over Charbonne.
And Tucker.
Yeah, I would start.
Godwin over Charbonnet and Tucker, too.
Tucker, to me, is a desperation plan.
Okay.
Again, I think I could bring myself to start Godwin over Walker, but that one's close.
Dave, you said that you think the Seahawks are going to throw a lot, and that's been my hope this week for Darnold,
because teams throw a lot on the Bucks.
I talked about it on Tuesday's show.
They faced four very run-heavy teams, and all four of those teams have been much more pass-heavy
than they usually are in the one week
that they faced Tampa Bay.
So your theory is they're just more pass heavy
than normal because they're only seeing
31 and a half pass attempts per game.
The bucks?
Yes.
Yeah, yeah.
None of them have ranked higher than,
I want to say 12th or 13th
on that given week in pass rate,
but all of them have taken a big jump
from what they usually do.
Okay, because you kept saying this
and I went and looked and I was like,
wow, they've only given up 31.5 past temps.
I don't know what Adam's necessarily talking about,
but this makes sense that they throw more
And those teams throw more than they do.
Right.
They faced Atlanta, Houston, the Jets, and the Eagles.
The Jets one's weird because that was Taylor.
Yeah, but still, they're not going to be pass heavy with Tarad Taylor.
But the other thing is, like, last week, the Cardinals went into week four,
having seen 47.3 quarterback pass attempts per game.
And Sam Darnold threw 26 passes.
He's averaging 25 pass attempts per game.
So I've become a little less optimistic about that.
this prospect, which doesn't matter for
JSN, obviously. It might matter
for Cupp, and it might matter for Darnold if you need them.
I do think, though, if
he just goes, if you just compare
the averages, and those six more attempts per game,
that could really matter.
Yeah, absolutely, because he's
leading the NFL in Yards per attempt, tied
with Lamar Jackson.
So what are you thinking about 20 fantasy points
from Darnold? So he's been,
in the last three games, he's been 18
and a half to 20.2 or something like that.
He's just been living in that low end number
one range. And so now you're talking about a somewhat favorable matchup where you could see an
uptick in past attempts and maybe that leads to some better production. But I don't want to buy
it all the way into what Sam Donald has done because, yes, he's playing very well, but that
just hasn't translated to significant fantasy production. So I would start him over Mo Nix, for
example. I would start him over like Trevor Lawrence and those type of guys like that's not saying
very much. I don't know
like there's so much difference between
and, you know, maybe wrong saying this,
but so much difference between Tua
and Bryce Young
and, you know, some of these other streaming guys
that we've talked about because
some of these other situations,
matchups are better, some of these guys are playing,
performing better from a fantasy
perspective than Donald, but
I don't think he's, I think
he's a very safe floor play
of somebody who can get you in that
18 plus point per game range.
and sort of save you a little bit
if you're looking for the Lamar replacement
or trying to figure out
your bi-week situation as well.
Cooper Cup is a no, right?
I mean, we got to just hasn't been good enough.
He's the one that, you know,
what's the phrase all tie lifts all boats?
Rising tie lifts all boats or something.
Yeah, like if Darnold throws more,
then this should benefit Cooper Cup as much as anybody
because that's been sort of the problem for him.
And I do think if you're talking desperation plays, he falls in that category.
So does Tori Horton because we've seen, you know, two touchdowns for him on the season.
And you can certainly catch one against this team.
But it's, it's tough to say Cooper Cup is safe by any stretch.
Dave, give me your quick thoughts on Chris Godwin.
Love the way that he looked last week, especially as the game went on.
I was actually surprised by how many downfield targets he got from Baker Mayfield.
You'd think that a guy coming back from the injury that he had would only get, you know,
passes thrown to him inside of 10 yards.
It wasn't the case.
And if Tampa struggles to run the ball in this game, which is possible,
Seattle's run defense is pretty good too.
Then Godwin shapes up as someone who can win on all those short targets and maybe
pick up a couple of big plays along the way.
I'm a fan.
I really am trying to figure out a way to get him into my top 24 wide receiver in PPR.
So the one concern I have,
you brought this up yesterday or Wednesday.
I don't know which show was, which I thought was great, that he's such a great
by a low candidate because I actually don't love the way that they're using him right now.
I think once they get Evans back on the field and he goes back to being their slot receiver,
then we're looking at maybe tremendous production.
I think he said he could be their best receiver.
But there's just too many mouths to feed at that point.
I'm so nervous about that.
Well, that's a different conversation.
I think just in terms of usage for Godwin, that would be better than the way that they're using him right now.
This just hasn't been the best way he's produced in his career when he's been.
a primary outsider, too.
All right, we're going to sit the tight ends.
I'm just going to finish this game here.
So I'm going to read some questions from the chat.
Ready?
Godwin or Addison?
Godwin.
Baker or Dart?
Baker.
Baker or May?
May.
Godwin, Addison, or Jordan Mason?
Godwin.
Would I take Godwin over Mason and non-PPR?
I think I might.
They're down three offensive linemen.
They just got right.
Yeah, oh, no, I get it.
Charbonnet or Mason is our next.
question.
They're very close.
I'd still go Mason, but
Charbonnet or Mason?
Yeah.
Mason.
Ken Walker or Jalen Waddle?
Half PPO.
It's Waddle there.
Godwin or Diggs?
Godwin.
I like what I saw from Diggs, too.
I might have Diggs a little bit higher.
Walker, Jordan Mason,
or Rico Douddle?
Oh, who sits?
Sit one.
Mason.
Henderson or Charbonnet in non-PPL.
Jar Jar.
All right.
I'm like, I don't love either one, but I might go Trevion.
All right, Giants are at the Saints.
Here's the issue with the Saints.
The Saints have really not been that bad, but they cannot complete a pass down the field.
Spencer Rattler is three of 15 on past attempts of 20 or more air yards for 80 yards, which is horrible.
So that's been an issue for them.
And the Giants have been a team that's been susceptible to that.
I don't know that the Saints can take advantage of it, which is why I guarantee the Giants are going to win.
Jackson Dart, you guys have 15th.
I've just, every quarterback that the Saints have
FACE have scored at least 20.7 fantasy points.
That's Kyler, Mack Jones, Sam Darnold, and Josh Allen.
He doesn't have Malik neighbors.
I don't know.
He's in that range that Jamie talked about
of quarterbacks that could get anywhere between,
let's call it, 17 to 21 fantasy points.
I think Dart is especially there because of what he does with his legs
and how willing he and Brian Dable and Mike Kafka are
to let him use his legs.
They know that they've got to make that a huge part of their offense.
And so those rushing yards and maybe a rushing touchdown on top of it,
that stuff matters a ton.
We know this already for fantasy.
So if you're really struggling a quarterback,
darts a good by-week replacement.
Two running quarterbacks against them,
Kyler Murray, Josh Allen, both ran for at least 38 yards.
Starts coming off a game where he ran for 54 yards and had 10 carries.
So based on how this game should unfold,
he'll probably get some semblance of 150 to 200 yards passing from Slayton and Duondale and Theo Johnson,
whoever else, you know, Scatibu, whatever they do.
So not a big passing day, but a slightly better passing stat line than last week with hopefully a similar rushing line.
Cam Scataboo is a start.
Scataboo or a guy I know you guys like, RICO Dowdall.
Scadaboo.
It's close, but Skadaboo.
All right.
So get Scataboo in your lineup.
I mean, he had 27 total touches.
last week.
Like, yeah, I know.
Hard to get away from it.
Did he really have that many total touches?
Yeah, 25 carries.
Holy moly, yeah, that's a lot.
Wando Robinson and Darius Slayton, did they crack your top 30?
Slayton barely, Robinson just behind.
Robinson barely, Slayton just behind him.
What I was encouraged by, it was over 100 routes for Darius Slayton last year with Malik
neighbors off the field, including two games that neighbors missed.
and on those routes he he wasn't going
his route depth was down his a dot was down to much more reasonable levels
he was a more reliable profile in terms of receiver
and he's 50% rostered right now darius slayton
Theo johnson
has been basically the least efficient
tight end by a mile since entering the NFL
but he had a touchdown last week i don't know he's not a
he's i think you can do better you can do better
I think you can go to the way.
I like Tommy Trumbull better.
Spencer Rattler is outside the top 20.
Alvin Camara.
All right.
Scadaboo or Camara?
Skadaboo.
Even in PPR.
I'll tell you something.
The Giants give up six yards per carry to running backs, second worst in the NFL.
So I went back and I looked at Alvin Camara against really bad run defenses last year.
And to my surprise, he actually was very good in terms of efficiency.
He averaged 5.9 yards.
per carry or better in almost all of those
matchups. The only one he didn't was one where he left early
with an injury after five carries.
So even he is capable of
doing well against these terrible run defenses.
But hopefully
he hasn't lost his goal line role. That's the concern
here. So
Dowdell or Camara.
Camara.
By a nose.
All right. Camara is also a good number
two running back ahead of Ken Walker.
Yes. Yeah.
All right. Chris Olave or Camara.
I'll take a lave in PPR.
Double checking.
And I've got
Camaro a little bit ahead of Olavee.
Chris Olavee or
Scadaebo. I know it's going to be Scataboo for Dave,
but how about for you, Jamie?
Scadaboo.
All right.
Let's see if I have any.
Oh, we good with Joanne Johnson?
We're going to fire him up again?
Yep.
For now, we've got to see what the injury report says
and who else is healthy for the Saints' tight ends.
But right now, yes.
And Rashid, she,
Shaheed is just not getting enough targets.
Three straight games with five or six targets.
Almost every wide receiver that's gotten to seven targets against the Giants has done very well.
Keenan Allen was the only one who didn't.
That was last week.
So Shahid is like a number four wide receiver, basically.
Borderline number three.
Yep.
By week replacement type.
So you're sticking with Juan Johnson over Darren Waller and Tommy Trembal and et cetera?
For now.
All right.
Let me see if I have any questions.
From the chat, I do.
Chris Gobwin or Wondale Robinson?
Godwin.
Godwin.
Darius Slaten or T. Higgins, PPR.
Still Higgins for now, but it's close.
Agreed.
Darius Slaten or Amari Demarcato.
I'll take Slayton.
Hey, Slayton.
Slayton or Michael Carter.
That's from me.
I'll go Carter.
I think I have Carter higher.
I'd have to double check.
Joanne Johnson or Brenton Strange?
I have Carter barely higher.
Johnson over Strange as of now.
Scataboo or Judkins?
Judkins, but it's close.
I'll take Quinn shot.
It's a good one.
Camara or Waddle?
I would go with Waddle.
I believe I have Waddle higher.
All right.
And would you start a DST in this matchup?
Giants.
Yeah, that would be the one.
Low-end DST.
They've been really bad.
Both of these defenses have been bad,
but Giants were good last week.
Both teams have been a good matchup for DSTs.
Miami at Carolina.
Stat to know, but I'm not going to call it the stat of the game
because I think we can do better.
The Carolina Panthers have the lowest pressure rate in the NFL
and they have two sacks in four games.
So then here's your stat of the game.
Jalen Waddle, one game without Tyree Kill in 2023.
Eight catches, 142 yards, and a touchdown on nine targets.
28.2 fantasy points at the jet.
Yes, yep.
The Panthers actually allow the second fewest fantasy points to opposing wide receivers.
Not sure I am buying that.
Do you think the Dolphins have a big game offensively without Tyree Kill?
I think it's very possible because of how bad this Panthers defense is.
Stefan Diggs took the other cornerback for Carolina.
Mike Jackson is his name.
He took him to school on a bunch of plays last week.
And so if he's getting some big numbers,
against the secondary.
You can just imagine what Waddle can do.
I'm a fan of Waddle.
He's a top 12-ish type of receiver.
Wow, that 12-ish.
Okay.
And then Tua, where do you guys have Tua ranked?
Low-end number one quarter, I think 14th.
Yep.
14th for you, 13th for Dave.
I'm a little higher, yeah, but I mean, it's the same thing.
Okay.
Darnold, you think you guys said two over Darnold, right?
Yes, slightly, yep.
All right, it'll be interesting to see.
What's discouraging to me is that,
after the first two weeks when he was throwing the ball downfield,
that has stopped.
He has not thrown the deep ball hardly at all in the last two weeks.
I just, I don't know.
Yeah, look, Tyreek was getting you a consistent 14, 15 points per game in PPR.
Maybe Waddle just steps into that role,
but the explosiveness is gone right now,
missing for the Dolphins offense.
Devon A-chan is a start.
Ali Gordon, Desperation play.
You've got to hope that he falls into the end.
zone.
All right.
So we talked about
desperation plays.
I wanted to bring this
name up.
We haven't talked
about it all week.
Do you know the guy
that actually had
the big boost
in routes run
and snaps after
Tyreeks injury?
It was not...
Nick Westbrook
Akeene.
Exactly.
It was not Malik
Washington.
Washington had kind of
his normal role.
Nick Westbrook
Akeene played a lot
more.
So 18 team leagues
Nick Westbrook
Akeene.
No one's...
Played a lot more
at one target in the game.
Yeah, it's true.
But he was out
there.
We'll see what happens.
All right, Darren Waller is the most added player in CBS Sports Leagues,
or at least he was yesterday.
I can't believe it.
He's up to 88% rostered.
What do you got in?
You can believe that the guy caught two touchdowns
and his teammate had his leg destroyed
is not the most added player.
Right.
No, I can believe that he's the most added player.
I can't believe it's 88%.
He's rostered in more leagues than Joanne Johnson.
You know, people were pretty hesitant to buy into Joanne Johnson.
They have fully bought into Darren Waller.
I can't blame them.
He looked pretty good.
He did.
And he's going to play more.
He said he's going to play more.
It's a great matchup.
I would expect him to play more.
Yeah, he ran 10 routes last week.
So what do we think?
I mean, he's a must-start guy this week, Dave?
I think he's in the conversation of being not a must-start, but a top, certainly a top-12 tight end.
Not because I think he can catch four or two touchdowns on four passes or four targets, excuse me,
but because I think he'll play more.
And I think he gives this offense, just something.
something a little bit different, especially since you mentioned it, they're not going to try
downfield shots as much.
The Panthers play a ton of zone coverage.
I believe they play a lot of cover three specifically.
That's going to open the door for a lot of short and intermediate routes for Miami.
And without pressure on Tua, we're going to see a lot of those short completions, and that's
right up Waller's Alley.
Sounds good to me.
Who's the best tight end in this game?
Darren.
Waller.
Who's the best wide receiver in this game?
Waddle.
Teteroa McMillan or Rico Doudal?
I'll take McMillan and PPR.
I will too.
You guys are not.
It's such a good matchup for Bryce Young, but you just can't buy in yet.
It's just so hard to trust him.
He's had one good game so far this season.
It was when he threw 55 pass attempts against the Cardinals in that, you know,
comeback effort in the fourth quarter.
he's been 12.3 points or less in the other three games.
And so, yes, the matchup is absolutely fantastic.
Every quarterback has been 29 points or more against the Dolphins.
So hopefully he has a good game.
But I think he's just in that same scenario, same boat as Jackson Dart and Sam Donald
and Tua and just, you know, guys that have left you wanting more,
or at least in the case of Dart, haven't shown you enough yet.
And so can you trust him?
Probably not.
Do you need to trust him?
Maybe so because of what your quarterback dilemmas may be.
So I know for me in a couple of 14 and 16 team leagues, like I'm starting Donald in one, I'm starting young in another just because I lost Burrow and haven't found the right replacement option yet in the Super Flex League where I have 75 quarterbacks, I'm starting Bryce Young as one of them.
So, you know, it's not by, oh, my God, I want to start him because his matchup is great.
Oh, I'll start him because the matchup is great.
It's a risk versus reward thing.
The matchup, we can keep talking about it if you really want to, but it's the only thing that's in favor for Bryce's.
Young. His play hasn't been great outside of, I honestly, I think it was just either
the second half or the fourth quarter against Arizona and his offensive lines in
rough shape. There's a, there is a big downside here to Bryce Young. And if you're squeamish about
that, it's much easier to go with Darnold, Dart, two ahead of both Darnold and DART. There
are options that you have, but if you're out of options, hey, at least you've got the
matchup and fingers crossed that Bryce Young doesn't get benched. This is another
team that can't hit big plays. They just stink at them. And when I watch them, it's just
short passes. They look like they're in rhythm, whatever. But then the drive stall, they just
cannot make an explosive play. And it's hurting McMillan. And McMillan, by the way, has only
three of his team's 25 red zone targets, one of his team's 10 green zone targets, two of
his team's 11 end zone targets. This needs to change. Quite frankly, he's had a pretty
damn good schedule so far. Jacksonville, Arizona, Atlanta, New England.
and he's got had more than 12 points once in full ppr and hasn't caught a touchdown yet um that makes
me like him less it i know but you see the talent like he looks really good and he he gets a decent
amount of targets eight or more targets every game none of those matchups have been as good as
this matchup actually they've actually seventh best against wide receivers so maybe i'm wrong
i don't i don't buy it there's three receivers who have done well against them and two of them
have had at least eight targets
and that's kind of the hope
for what you're looking at for McMillan
because he's getting eight targets or game or more
so it was week one was Michael Pittman
and last week it was Garrett Wilson
they only had eight targets
it's not like it's a hey you hit eight targets
you're going to do well so clearly don't take that into account
but it's the only two guys that have had more than
I think six targets against them
the other receiver score against them was Shakir
so it's also not like they faced
the gauntlet of great passing attack so far
and now you have
a running back situation while we'll sit here and say we like Rico Doudal, it's clearly not the best running
situation. Dave mentioned that the offensive line's been banged up. We know they haven't been great
since they lost the two interior guys. So can they run against the dolphins? Well, if they can't,
then it's maybe a little bit more on Bryce Young. Maybe we get not 55 attempts, but we get a lot of
volume that lends itself to not only McMillan have a good game, tight ends have killed this team
and Trembles coming off a game where he didn't just have eight targets. Their tight end group had 10
targets.
And so they're leaning on this position group right now with Trembl stepping up without Sanders
there.
So he's a great desperation play, not just as a tight end, but as a flex if you're stuck.
Okay.
And Tommy Trembal, yeah, Heath has him eighth.
Dave and Jamie are a little more cautious with Tommy Trembal.
They have him 14th for Jamie, 17th for Dave.
He's 4% rostered and has a chance here to have a good game for sure because the Dolphins
are giving up the third most fantasy points of tight ends.
I'd start him over Mark Andrews.
I'd start him over both the Browns tight ends.
I dig the brown side ends for sure.
What I liked about the game last week,
six of the eight targets came from Bryce Young.
Five of those six,
he was the primary read on the play.
Okay.
Earths are tremble?
Now with Daniels back,
especially with Depot banged up.
Right.
All right,
let's go.
We have two games left here.
Houston at Baltimore.
From 2020 to 2022,
the Ravens went four and nine
without Lamar Jackson and average 16.2 points per game.
But all of their quarterbacks were, you know, running quarterbacks.
Tyler Huntley, Josh Johnson, Anthony Brown, mostly Huntley.
So that's for the most part there.
So Rush is going to throw the ball more than those guys.
But that brings us to our stat of the game.
Puka Nakua is the only wide receiver to score more than 12.9 PPR fantasy points against Houston.
That includes Devante Adams, Mike Evans, Ameca, Abuka, and Brian Thomas, Jr.
Start or sit, Zay Flowers.
Start, but he's on the cusp of like where the receiver.
start to get a little bit dicey, at least in my rankings.
So he's like wide receiver 20.
Yeah, a shade lower for me, but in that low end number two, wide receiver range,
I like that he got a lot of targets from Cooper Rush last week.
I hate that his A-dot was under two yards per throw.
That's not going to fly.
Who are the easy starts in this Texans Ravens game?
Texans' EST.
Start there.
Nico Collins.
Yep.
I think everybody's still going to start Derek Henry.
I don't think the expectation should be the same, but you're still going to start him.
I think Woody Marks is number two running back.
Wait, I have a prediction. Hold on.
I have not, I don't remember the rankings.
I think Jamie has Woody Marks ahead of Derek Henry and PPR.
I tell you right now, it's the, it's Henry Marks Dowdle, and I really want to move Henry
behind those two guys.
It just, this feels like a terrible game coming for him.
I see what you're saying.
here. Let's take a look at the matchup here. The Texans are 13th against running backs.
They allow 4.16 yards per carry to running back. So it's not that necessarily. But if you're
worried about the score, I don't know. I mean, the Texans are two-point favorite. So it should
be a competitive game. We got news. What do we got? Bucky's out. Buckie's out. Okay. Well,
we were prepared for that. He is also in danger of missing next week, according to Jeremy Fowler.
All right, so Derek Henry, or Zay Flowers.
Let's start with that.
I would start Flowers in PPR.
I'd start Henry.
And Desperation played Justice Hill.
I mean, we've seen it now in the last two games.
He's been very involved in the passing game.
Eight catches on 10 targets in those two games.
So it wouldn't shock me if they're behind.
Not that this Texas offense is great, but this is the defense is bad.
And so you could see Justice Hill in a lot of fourth quarter playing time.
I think that happens if the Texans build a big lead.
I don't know if the Texans can build a big lead.
And I think it makes all the sense in the world for the Ravens to lean on Derek Henry as much as possible.
Justice Hill in his career.
Justice Hill in his career has had six or more targets in six games.
Five of them were losses.
So, just, you know, and they're not usually underdogs, at least to a team like the Texans.
How do we feel about C.J. Stroud this week compared to Bryce Young and Tua?
He's right there with them.
I mean, again, you're talking about great matchup.
They're so beat up.
He's coming off his best game in what seems like forever.
Do you know the last time that he's had back-to-back 20-point games?
Rookie year?
How deep into his rookie career?
Rookie year.
Was it, like, right at the beginning of it?
the rookie year could it be there his last time that he's had consecutive games now this is taking out
the playoffs because his rookie year week 18 he had a 20 point game and the first week of the
playoffs he did but the last time in the regular season was weeks three and four of 2020
wow damn all right i'm going to ask more about derrick henry here because he's obviously
derrick henry uh jalen waddle tederoa mcmillan derrick henry waddle receivers in ppr i think i'll take
Henry over McMillan, but Waddle
goes over. How about
Keenan Allen, Ladd-McConkey,
Quentin Johnston, Derek Henry?
Johnston, easily, and I'll take
Kenan Allen over him as well.
I will take QJ over Henry.
I'll take Henry over the other two receivers.
What if it were half PPR?
I'll still take the
same average. This is just the
this is what you want to avoid with Derek Henry.
This is what we all wanted to avoid with Derek Henry.
Was the offense struggling,
them chasing points. We just didn't expect
to come as a result of Lamar Jackson being injured.
So it, like, you take away, and, and again, I'll saw azer stat this.
You take away the touchdown run last week, or two weeks ago, it was miserable for him.
Last week, he struggled.
He's fumbling the ball.
The offensive line is banged up.
The defense is going to stink.
Like, this, this could be, this could be awful.
I think Ronnie Stanley is practicing, though, so.
He's practicing.
We don't know if that means he's going to pull.
Tyler Linderbomb is also a full participant yesterday.
So I don't know how beat up the offensive line.
is we'll see about Stanley it's a thing but if you just go so forget about the backup running
backs because i know a lot of people are going to be skittish to do that judkins should be starting
over him scadaboo should be starting over him montgomery this week should be starting over him like
there's there's a lot of scenarios where derrick henry should be on your bench clearly javanti
william should be starting over him this week so if you if you have the stones to do it
and you want to start dowdle over him and what he marks over him i'm not going to argue i think
he's going to get 20 carries i and if he's going to
getting 20 carries, you know what the upside is.
This is the first time in his career since that breakout Thursday night game against
Jacksonville when his entire career changed, that he's gone three straight games with
13 or fewer carries.
It's ridiculous.
They're desperate for a win.
This is their primary path to bring home a win.
If I thought Houston could put up a ton of points, I'd be right there with you, James.
But it's not just that.
In fact, that'd be lower.
This defense is fantastic.
Houston's defense is good
But I think if that offensive line is good
And it's Derek Henry
And we know what he's capable of doing
We know he can beat eight in the box
It is tough
It is tough to bench a guy like that
Oh, I'm not saying like
You got to have the
Woody marks for Rico Dowdell
Man that takes some serious stones dude
I get it and it could end up working out
All right, let's move on here
We talked about Woody Marks earlier in the show
During the one question for each game
and Christian Kirk, if you're desperate this week,
could be interesting, just again with his defense being as bad as this.
Yeah, why are you, give me 30 seconds on why you're so low on Mark Andrews.
Jamie, you have him 16th, Dave 13th.
Again, Texas defense and Cooper Rush.
It's just, I don't want to trust that.
Plus, I think likely gets more involved this week.
I like that he had seven for 30 last week.
If that's what we're banking on for Mark Andrews, then I don't know.
Again, 40 and a half is what the total is expected total.
these two offenses could absolutely
you know be
this is probably you know
and I hope I'm wrong
but the most boring game of the week
like you know you're wrong
it's giant saints
but that that feels like it's gonna be more fun
I don't know
maybe this game's that fun potential too
all right Tennessee's at Arizona
as our last game here
this could be the stinker of the week
yeah this game could suck
Tony Pollard you know we haven't talked about him
but he's got what
seven catches in his last
two games five catches in his last two games seven targets he didn't look too he didn't look terrible
last week he just didn't get a lot of work cardinals do have a good run defense but pollard is another
guy who's a feature back so how does he compare to derrick henry and rico dowdell and what he marks
and etc for me he's behind those guys and that's without tajy spears being activated
right we're not quite expecting that it could happen we'll reevaluate if it does um yeah i'd start i'd
start Dowell and Marks and
Dowell over Pollard. He's right after those guys.
Yep. Okay. Where are you at with Pollard? Is Pollard your favorite? Pollard is my
favorite running back in this game. Yes. As now.
And I would start Pollard over
Walker, for example, this week. I'm supposed to ask
that, Dave. Man, stole my line.
Sorry. Okay. Cam Ward, just letting you know.
He, there have been 40 rookie quarterback since 2010
who have been passer rating qualified from weeks one through four.
Among those 40, Cam Ward ranks 38th in yards per attempt, 38th in completion rate, 36th and touchdown rate.
He has been one of the worst rookie quarterbacks that we've seen since 2010 through his first four games.
But you know who was worse? Bo Nix was worse.
So there is hope.
Elyke Eow Manor or, let's say, Darius Slayton, Rashid, those guys.
I'll take Slayton over Iow Manor, Isle Man, or over Sheet.
I think I'm with you.
Sit the Tennessee
tight ends, I assume.
Shig's interesting,
but there's so many
better streaming options this week.
You could stash Gunner Helm
and Dynasty.
We talked about
Kyler Murray at one question
for each game.
He is a top 10 quarterback
this week for everyone.
He's top seven for Jamie and Heath,
so these guys like
Kyler Murray.
Top three for sports time.
I'm a little hesitant on it,
but, you know,
I get it.
Arizona running backs,
you prefer Michael Carter?
Yes.
yes this week yes moving forward maybe not i think it's a game by game basis just based on how you
expect the game to go but this game seven and a half point favorites there at home titans just couldn't
stop the combination of woody marks and nick chub like this should be a game where michael carter
performs at a higher level and i think i don't know where i saw this but i think the the best comp for
this is what like people are asking de mercado was active he was playing carter was on the practice
squad it's very similar to how the commanders treated chris rodriguez carter does not play on special
teams. So you take him from not playing to, as he said, the starter. We'll see if that's true.
He said that, yeah. But it can be the starter. Sure. But it just,
he's the running downs back. First and ten is a running down potentially. It's more of like an
operational standpoint for how they viewed him. So they may have said, okay, their depth chart
start of the season, Connor one, Benson, two, Carter three, DeMercato four, but in the roles that
they play, DeMercado active on game days versus Carter. All right. And I think the expectation is
Carter on mostly first down, some second downs,
Demercado passing downs, that includes third downs.
I don't know.
At first I thought it was a slam dunk that Demercato would handle short yardage.
I'm not sure at this point.
I don't know.
It could come down to just which down is it.
And that's the way that the Cardinals roll.
But this matchup is so juicy that both of them can end up with 10 PPR points.
Carter just has a little bit more upside to have one of those breakaway runs.
The thing you don't want to see is Knight working in being a third guy.
Yeah, and you know what?
If you've got a free roster spot, you never know because if Michael Carter stinks
and I watched tape last night of him from last year, I wish I had watched that before I put
in my fab bids.
I would have gone a little bit lower.
He's not that good.
None of them are really.
Maybe they go to Knight.
He's listed as Zonovan Knight on CBS.
So, you know, isn't Knight who bumped Carter off the jet?
roster. Maybe. Maybe. By the way, this is also a good matchup for Marvin Harrison Jr.,
who's top 16 for Dave and Jamie, and Tennessee gives up the sixth most fantasy points to wide
receivers. They've been a really, really good matchup. And I don't even think they see that many
targets typically. So, you know, Marvin Harrison Jr., this would be a week to start him, start
Train McBride, and definitely start that Cardinals, DST, which is also one of the most added players
or units in CBS leagues.
By the way, Michael Carter is only 50% rostered.
So the CBS fantasy players have chosen Demercato over Carter.
We chose Carter over Demarcato.
We'll see who's right.
Not I chose Demercato over Carter long term.
I mean, I'd still go Carter, but if you were going to pick up one, who would it have been?
It would have been Demercato because I'm thinking long term.
Carter.
All right.
And by the way, Rico Dattle, before the show started,
was 55% rostered on our site.
Okay, get him.
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