Fantasy Football Today - Start or Sit (NFC); Thanksgiving Recap (11/26 Fantasy Football Podcast)
Episode Date: November 26, 2021Put the turkey away and let's talk football! We'll recap the Thursday games with our big winners (4:00) and losers (6:00). Devin Singletary is a winner, but is David Montgomery a loser? After that ini...tial discussion we'll take a longer look at each game: Bears-Lions (8:00), Raiders-Cowboys (11:40), Bills-Saints (17:15) ... News and notes (25:30) and Beat the Waiver Wire (33:00). Should you speculate on a Seahawks RB? Make sure you add Logan Thomas if you need a TE ... Start or Sit for Rams-Packers (37:15), Seahawks-Football Team (47:30), Vikings-49ers (57:30), Eagles-Giants (1:05:00) and Bucs-Colts (1:12:40) ... Email us at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @ctowerscbs, @BenSchragg Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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with iGaming Ontario. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, Heath, and Beck.
Happy Friday.
Oh, happy Black Friday, everybody.
Go buy something.
Something's on sale.
Take advantage.
Adam Azer and Jamie Isenberg.
You going to buy anything today, Jamie?
No.
Not a thing.
All right.
I am.
Maybe food.
I'm definitely going to buy food.
I'm going to do a grocery order.
But I am going to buy a dishwasher today.
Oh, nice.
Big day for us here.
It is Dishwasher Friday.
You have a dishwasher?
It is, yes.
It needs to be replaced.
It was a punch in the gut.
But yes, we have to get a new dishwasher.
It is hard when you have appliances that break.
We are actually dealing with, we don't know the issue.
We have, I don't know if you call it an electric sink, but it's a push, like an automatic sink.
I guess.
I don't know how you describe it.
If you leave the handle on and you just touch it, it goes on and off.
Oh, cool.
So we can't figure out the batteries.
We replace the batteries, but then it's not working.
But not ideal when you have a sink full of dishes and you're sinking.
Oh, yeah, bad timing.
Yeah, bad timing for sure.
Listen, I want everyone to know we're not talking about football today.
We are only talking about Black Friday sales and things of that nature.
All right, fine.
We'll talk about football. Welcome to the show show and i hope you all had a great thanksgiving how were
your cranberries jamie uh my cranberries were good thank you uh my wife did a fantastic job on her
portion of uh of dinner um she she's the dessert queen for thanksgiving So she made an apple pie, a cherry pie,
a pumpkin pie,
and they were fantastic.
Wow.
That's pretty good.
I just realized I didn't have any of the ice cream last night.
We had cookies,
but we didn't have ice cream.
All right.
Oh,
well,
mine was great.
Thank you for asking.
I knew you'd ask.
I knew you'd ask.
It was good.
We had a nice time.
That was boring,
actually.
You know,
I was so wrapped up in fantasy football.
I'm playing you in two leagues.
They're both must-wins for me.
I think you're going to beat me for sure in one.
In the 2QB League?
Yeah.
I do have to, before we get on to football,
so you said to me yesterday for FFT and Five on Wednesday night,
you said, I am the green bean casserole of food.
Yeah.
Because I show up once a year and it's one of your favorite things.
Yeah, for FFT and Five, right.
Then yesterday, so we had our show live on CBS Sports HQ
and Mr. Curmudgeon, Pete Prisco,
he said, I did a radio show,
and they asked me,
what's the worst side dish for Thanksgiving?
And I said, well, I don't know.
Give me some options.
And they said the first thing was green bean casserole.
He said, I hate green bean casserole.
It really just depends how you make it.
I mean, it could be really good or it could be really bad.
Ours has mushrooms and crispy
onions and regular onions and
a bunch of butter and stuff like that.
So it's cheddar cheese.
You know how Pete is. For those of you
who don't know Pete, watch our
FFT show on Sunday on HQ.
He goes, green beans.
Good. Casserole, what for?
That's so weird.
Green beans are the worst part of the casserole.
That's the funny thing about it.
Who needs a new casserole?
That's what he says.
Yeah.
Yeah, well, anyway, I was so wrapped up in our matchup,
and I had Carr and Jacobs,
that I am still, like, really, really mad at Marcus Mariota.
I just cannot stand him.
So we're going to actually start with the games.
Who are your biggest Week 12 thus far Thursday winners?
Got any winners from yesterday's games?
Winners from yesterday.
I don't want to call Michael Gallup a winner,
but it's good that he made.
He's definitely a winner from yesterday,
but I don't want a long-term winner
because who knows what his activity level will be
in terms of targets and playing time when everybody's fully healthy
but you saw what he was early in the first game of the season at least with the seven targets
so at least he he helped you for those who started him um Hunter Renfro obviously a winner especially
if Darrell Waller is out for an extended period of time. I guess you look at it didn't necessarily materialize from a production standpoint,
but Devin Singletary and Matt Brito winners, you know,
with Zach Moss being the healthy scratch.
You know, you had mentioned that earlier in the week
that there was a report from Joe Biscaglia in The Athletic
that it could happen, and it happened.
Yeah.
So those, I think, are the ones you like.
And I guess, you know, unfortunately, Jamal Williams is probably a winner
because of DeAndre Swift if he's going to miss any time, unfortunately, Jamal Williams is probably a winner because of DeAndre Swift, if he's going to miss any time.
Yeah, Jamal Williams is something around 50% rostered.
And Brita is available in even more leagues than that.
And Singletary is available in some leagues.
And he played 68% of the snaps.
That is his third highest snap share this year.
It really looked to me like it was going to be more of a Brita thing.
It looks like he started or at least got the earlier work,
but they kind of went to Singletary later in the game,
and he ended up against the Saints.
It was a terrible rush average, but it's understandable.
15 carries, 44 yards.
At least with those two, maybe you have something there.
I don't know.
Who do you think is better rest of season, Brita or Singletary?
I'll lean Singletary now, but I think we're still in the same mess.
It helped from the standpoint of now you can at least go back to using Singletary
if you were using him as a potential flex play, but it's still two guys.
There's still no clarity.
It goes from Singletary Moss to Singletary and Breida.
Okay.
So we'll go through the games one by one here.
Oh, any losers any losers i mean i'm getting i'm getting
to the point of you know you can't trust cole beasley and emmanuel sanders right now you know
sanders has it's been a much more extended time frame that he's been bad and beasley you know he
just probably isn't healthy with the rib injury i know he's been practicing in full uh we probably
have a david montgomery problem on our hands you I mean, it's now three games in a row where he's been, you know, bad.
And, you know, I don't know what to point to.
You know, is some of the changes that they're trying to do in the offensive line not working?
You know, you thought getting some guys back would be helpful.
The quarterback change.
You know, you could say the first two games were somewhat matchup related.
But I know Detroit's run defense has been better lately.
But still, I thought top 10 running back.
Yeah, he had a huge game against them.
I mean, it looked like finally this was going to be him getting loose.
Yep.
It's now, he's got two games all season
with more than seven non-PPR, 10 PPR fantasy points,
and not a lot of catches.
He did have three catches.
That was good.
And he only had nine coming into the game.
But yeah,
I think,
I don't know.
I mean,
it might be even worse when fields get back because fields doesn't really
throw to his running backs.
It's all in gave him three catches for 28 yards.
Yeah.
You want to do that?
When,
when will fields get back?
Well,
reportedly next week.
Okay.
I didn't,
the thing I saw was tiny fractures in his ribs.
So yeah,
I think that's what I what Jay Glazer said.
I think it was Glazer who said he's probably coming back next week.
So, hopefully.
I don't know if it'll be health-related, though, what the Bears do.
Because Matt Nagy's got to win games,
and he might feel more comfortable with Andy Dalton.
Maybe.
They got Arizona and Green Bay next two games.
Not exactly easy matchups.
And look, I think Dalton's just better for their weapons.
But Mooney, you know, I've said that before.
It's just mobile quarterbacks,
I don't really like them that much for the passing game.
But Mooney, I mean, he's having a pretty solid year.
And he had 123 yards on eight targets.
Komet had a good game here.
Obviously, Allen Robinson's out,
but that's now two big games in a row.
That's 120 yards in two straight games for Darnell Mooney.
16 targets two weeks ago,
eight targets this week,
and both of them coinciding with Robinson being out.
So what do you think about this for Mooney going forward?
Well, if you extend it out a little bit with Robinson,
it's now five of six games with at least 12 or more PPR points.
So, you know, the floor is starting to establish itself.
And now you're sealing the ceiling.
So I think when it comes to Mooney, you know,
he's working himself into must-start territory.
Obviously in three receiver leagues he's been there,
but in two receiver leagues, you know,
it's hard to get away from what the potential is,
especially with this defense is not good.
You know, they're just missing guys, you know, Khalil Mack not being there.
I know the pass rush really created a lot of problems for the Lions
with holding penalties, but I don't think it's still as good as it would have been,
clearly, and, you know, Kim Hicks not being there.
Robert Quinn had a really good game, but I think you just look at it
that they're probably going to be in a lot of shootouts,
especially the two games upcoming that you mentioned.
Arizona will put up points on them.
Green Bay will put up points on them.
And then Minnesota and then Seattle.
Yeah, so it'll be a continued stretch where we'll see Darnell Mooney's targets
probably be pretty safe, especially if Dalton is starting.
Okay, from the Bears' standpoint, well, Komet, we can talk about him next week, I guess.
Arizona has been very good against tight ends, but they faced, I think, one good one, and that was a huge game.
33% rostered.
Meanwhile, Jamal Williams is going to be probably the most added player.
I mean, we'll see what happens.
It's a shoulder sprain for DeAndre Swift, but if Swift's out, then you're going to get close to 100% roster percentage for Jamal Williams, who had 20 touches in this game.
They have Minnesota next week.
And, yeah, how about TJ Hawkinson?
Three.
Thank God he scored.
He was started in 61% of leagues.
I feel like that's what it should be, you know?
If he's your only tight end, you can roll with him.
But, I mean, I have a few leagues with him
and I wouldn't mind
having another tight end.
I know he caught the touchdown.
That's great,
but three targets,
three catches.
It's just a little
tenuous situation here.
Yeah, you know,
when we got,
when we were at the beginning
of the season
and we said the benefit
for TJ Hawkinson
is he's going to be
the best receiving option
and maybe the only
receiving option
that's reliable on his team.
The problem is every team knows that. And this was the concern
is that he's just going to get taken away by a lot of opponents. And so, you know, you see how
teams are rolling coverage against him and putting, you know, corners on him because, you know, you
don't really fear the receiving core there. Maybe Josh Reynolds opened some things up. He's probably
a winner too, you know, just for a guy that getting his feet wet a little bit the last couple of
weeks with the new team. But yeah, I think you said it best. If you,
if he's been your guy all season long, you stick with him. But if you,
if you see somebody, you know,
there's going to be some teams that drop if Fryer Muth has a bad game,
maybe some people by, you know,
10 team leagues are dropping Zach Earth because they have to some of those
situations, you know, you can, you can pivot. Yeah. And, all right.
Austin Knox was dropped.
Dallas Goddard was dropped.
You know, I mean, I see this happen in leagues.
All right.
And that is going to do it for Chicago and Detroit.
Let's go to this.
Oh, what a fun game.
Las Vegas 36, Dallas 33.
And Darren Waller left with a knee injury.
So we had some pretty serious injuries.
I don't know if they were serious, but big names anyway.
Swift, Waller, Tredavious, White.
I had a lot of people saying
that they had both those guys on their
same team starting Thanksgiving week.
Not fun.
No. I mean, this is not your typical
Thursday, right? You got a pretty good idea of how
your, a decent idea of how your matchup
might shape up. A lot of players going yesterday
and if you had Swift, that's such a bad break.
And if you had Waller,
such a bad break.
He was probably going to have a big game.
They scored 36 points after all.
All right, so Derek Carr with a bounce back,
30% started,
only scored 22 fantasy points, but he threw for 373 yards,
and there was a play, right,
not long after Waller got hurt,
where he threw in the end zone,
was third and goal from, I think, the four,
threw to the third string tight end,
who stopped his route.
He was open.
Probably should have been a second touchdown
in a huge game for Carr.
But he played much better, got some big plays.
I don't know.
What's your faith, confidence level in Carr going forward?
I mean, they got Washington next week.
It's not a bad matchup.
Obviously, it's the best one on the table.
So, you know, I think if you're talking about streaming him,
and remember, there's four teams on a bye next week,
so I know Aaron Rodgers is one of the guys who's missing.
I don't know all the other teams that are off next week.
Maybe Ryan Tannehill, if you've been using him, is one.
I think the Browns. Yeah, you've been using him, is one. I think the
Browns... Yeah, nobody's
been starting Baker, though.
I think you look at...
Yeah, it's Carolina, Cleveland, Green Bay,
Tennessee. Okay, so Cam
and Rogers
and Tannehill.
If people are dropping Derek Carr, which I'm sure they were,
then you pick him up and you can trust him next
week. I'm just thinking he'll be probably ranked somewhere between 10 and 14.
So in a 14-team league, he's still a must-start guy.
In a 12-team league, he's a borderline starter.
Anything else you want to talk about in this game?
We've got to talk about Zeke.
I feel like most people, I'm going to say myself included,
might be a hot take,
kind of feel like Zeke's the second best running back on the team.
Right now.
It's only their team that way yesterday a little bit too.
Yeah, I feel like they should have done it a little bit more.
I mean, it's not like Pollard blew the doors off
with 10 carries and 36 yards,
but you just see his speed.
Obviously, he had the kickoff return for a touchdown.
He's just more dynamic right now than Zeke.
But obviously, for fantasy purposes, he gets all the touchdowns,
gets a lot of catches.
So what do you think going forward?
I mean, coming into the game,
this was the worst five game stretch of his career in terms of rushing
yards.
And he follows that up with nine carries for 25 yards.
So this is obviously the worst six game stretch.
Yeah.
I mean, the, the, the thing that's saving him right now,
and he got lucky because Pollard got them all the way down there
and looked like he scored, you know, until you saw the replay.
And then they gave Zeke the touchdown in the passing game work.
You know, they talked about this on the pregame show,
and Tom Spencer, who is in the booth with Jim Nance and Tony Romo,
comes on our show on HQ, you know,
how much they value him as a pass protector
in terms of Ezekiel Elliott.
And he's doing such a great job in that.
You know, you go back to week one, from week one through week 11, he's been, through week
12, excuse me, he's been one of the best running backs, at least from what I could tell, in
pass blocking.
And his role in the passing game is pretty solidified.
So that's been saving him.
But yeah, he doesn't look the same.
I thought Tyron Smith coming back,
I thought the matchup,
expected this to be a real heavy dose of Ezekiel Elliott.
Maybe the Raiders, I'll go back and look.
But just really said,
we don't respect Michael Gallup and Sed Wilson
and we can take care of Dalton Schultz.
And we have to stop the run,
especially after what Joe Mixon did to them the week before.
But man, it was really frustrating
to watch a lackluster game once again.
As far as the passing game goes,
I know Gallup, especially Wilson,
but what about Schultz?
Next week, you're going to get Lamb and Cooper back
almost certainly.
So Schultz, if you could sell him,
do you sell him?
He had 46 yards and a touchdown.
He had another touchdown callback.
He had 53 yards on eight targets last week.
Is this the time to try, if it's still possible, to sell Dalton Schultz?
Yeah, absolutely.
I'm trying to think.
You'd probably miss the opportunity, too,
because him playing and Kyle Pitts is going to play.
But if you could have turned Dalton Schultz into Kyle Pitts,
Schultz into something else in the Kyle Pitts,
you probably should have done that.
But just in terms of if I i can get dallas goddard if i can get uh maybe zach ertz you know
for for the fancy manager that didn't have him on the bias you know it's just a hard because he
played already you know so it's it's difficult to say who's giving up on him but um yeah he's he's
headed for a slight downturn assuming everybody's healthy okay anything else from this game
you know i guess we'll talk about foster moreau as a, as a potential ad, you know,
the one game that Darren Waller missed earlier this year, he had a big performance. So,
you know, he's going to be in that conversation. Um, it's, it's not fun. Uh, but it's, you know,
for somebody like me, it makes your job easier when you know, the waiver wire options on Thursday
of who we're talking about. Sure.
Yeah.
And so this is another part of this, though, Adam, also.
For the DeAndre Swift manager and the Darren Waller fantasy manager, check out your waiver wire now.
This is a time to get ahead.
If you have a roster to play with, look for the tight ends that are available.
Like I did this in a couple leagues, and the most intriguing options so far were like Evan Ingram.
And I'm like, I'll just wait, you know, but if you if you see something and you look ahead to the matchups.
Pick up the guy now.
Yeah, right.
Beat the waiver wire.
All right.
One more game and then we will do beat the waiver wire.
Buffalo 31 and New Orleans six.
They trounced him here and Buffalo Josh Allen scoring 34 fantasy points.
That was very nice to see.
And his offensive line is only going to get healthier.
They still have two starters missing on that line.
And that had been a problem in the past.
It was not in this game.
Yeah, we've already covered the running backs.
Singletary, 75% rostered.
Breida, 18% rostered.
Dawson Knox.
What do you think about him?
Only three targets.
Two of them ended up being touchdowns.
32 yards and two touchdowns.
And that was after six catches for 80 yards last week.
So, you know, this is an interesting type of game.
Do you come away encouraged with three targets and two touchdowns
or discouraged or what?
I mean, obviously you're encouraged by the two touchdowns you're discouraged by the the other stuff but I think
you know that's kind of what he was in the beginning of the season so you know you're thrilled
if you started him you uh you obviously have to hope that he continues to find the end zone
this is I think just the type of player that he is you know he's going to have some games where
he when I say disappears he just disappears from the the the workload opportunities target opportunities catches opportunities but
you know he's still running a lot of routes he's obviously still a red zone threat and
it's a better version of what robert tunyon was a year ago yeah exactly and hopefully next year
will be a better version of what robert tunyon is year. Okay, and from the Saints standpoint,
we didn't expect a lot from them,
but Tony Jones was really disappointing.
I think he scored two fantasy points, didn't have a catch.
Maybe he scored one.
What did he end up with?
Not good.
I think it was like 2.9 or something like that.
Okay, yeah.
And Montgomery actually ended up in PPR leagues
being a lot better than him,
but we're just hoping.
You know what?
We don't know for sure that they're going to play,
that Ingram or Kamara is going to play next week, I suppose.
They have a Thursday game again against Dallas.
So if they were out, would you feel better about Tony Jones,
who had 16 carries for 27 yards?
And 16 carries is good against Buffalo.
Would you feel better about him against Dallas,
or would you go with Montgomery?
I mean, I would hope to go with neither,
but I'd probably still lean toward Jones.
This is a bad team.
I mean, it's offensive line issues, quarterback issues.
This whole Taysom Hill thing is they're paying him to sit now,
it feels like, with the way the contract is structured.
He's going to be the quarterback next week.
I would hope so.
Apparently, I didn't realize that he was the emergency quarterback
because of his foot.
He has this foot injury.
I didn't realize it was to the point where he was basically not healthy.
So I didn't see any quotes after the game.
I was expecting an update.
Well, the Saints are not committing to Trevor Simeon next week.
Did that happen?
I didn't see it.
I didn't see that.
But, I mean, I just feel like that has to be the case.
But the way that the contract is structured,
they're better off if he doesn't play.
I don't know if they are because they're paying him a ton of money
to not be their quarterback.
I don't understand their obsession with Taysom Hill.
If he's their starting quarterback, then
they're not paying him all that much money.
It would be like $90 million over four years,
is it?
It would make total sense at this point if you're
trying to save your season to let him play because
Simeon's not good.
Yeah.
Not that he's great, but he's different.
If he becomes a good quarterback, then the contract will be a solid value.
If he doesn't play quarterback, I thought it was four years, 40 million.
That could be four years, 90 million.
If he plays quarterback, I'll try to check the details.
But what the hell is their obsession with him?
I don't see he's not he's not that good.
I mean, he doesn't do that much.
It's just weird.
Well, you don't think Alvin Kamara can score from the three yard line?
It's just it's just insane. I'm sorry. I'm just weird. Well, you don't think Alvin Camara can score from the three yard line. It's just,
it's just insane.
And I'm sorry.
I'm just right.
No,
it's,
it's weird.
Uh,
I saw a funny tweet that said,
nobody sits on the bench better than tasting.
He gets it at quarterback,
running back,
tight end,
and special teams.
You know what?
You know what else I'm pissed off about today?
And by the way,
someone said in the,
in the chat,
uh,
where are you? Nicholas
says, Adam looks like he was up all night with a sick two-year-old after drinking all day.
Looking good, buddy. Yeah, I look like crap. I'm not going to lie. I look like crap. It's early,
man. I was up. I got four hours of sleep. But nothing energizes me like these podcasts. I could
be so tired the second I get on the air. I'm like, I had five coffees or something.
But so I apologize for my appearance.
I'll look a lot better on FFT at 10 a.m., by the way.
10 a.m. fantasy football today on HQ.
You're throwing a lot at us this time of year.
Yeah, yeah, it is tough.
I mean, it's a tough week.
A lot of work to cram in with Thanksgiving.
A lot of food to cram in, too.
So anyway, I'm sick
and tired of this pass interference crap.
And Colts fans point out
it's been their best play of the year,
other than giving it to Jonathan Taylor.
Quarterback makes a terrible throw, horribly
underthrown, and
defensive back gets called for
pass interference. And if I were Dallas,
I'd be furious. I mean, the rule needs to change.
Especially that last one. He didn't have a chance in hell at catching that ball. Was it awful throw?
How are you supposed to say, you got to turn your head around? How are you supposed to turn
your head around when you're running full speed? You're chasing a wide receiver. You don't know
the ball's under thrown. How are you supposed to turn your head around on that? It's just,
it's driving me crazy. It's such a bad bad play and it's not that they're getting the rule
wrong it's just i think the rule needs to be changed it's kind of like that what they did
in the nba this year where they don't let you just jump into a defender anymore and draw a foul on a
non-basketball play they got to change pass interference it's such an i think it should
this is one of the and i i thought this for years um this is one where the college rule is better
yeah oh yeah except i would make one change first of all i don't even think what happened I've thought this for years. This is one where the college rule is better. Oh, yeah.
Except I would make one change.
First of all, I don't even think what happened in overtime to Dallas should have been any penalty.
I think they should try to get that underthrown,
didn't turn his head around thing out of the game as much as possible.
But college is 15 yards for pass interference, spot foul in the NFL.
Unless it's less.
I think it's, is that a 10-yard penalty if it's less than 10 yards?
I don't know.
I think there should be two pass interferences.
There should be a 15-yard penalty for, you know,
if you're trying to make a play or whatever.
And if you just tackle the guy, then it should be spot foul.
Well, that's the counter to the college rule is if guys get beat,
they'll just tackle and give it 15 yards as opposed to 50.
Right.
So let's get a little nuance in there and make it a spot foul.
A judgment call.
Obvious pass interference, it's spot foul.
Kind of like a running into versus roughing the kicker kind of deal.
Sure.
I'm down with that.
Yeah.
Come on.
Listen to me, people.
It just makes too much.
Listen to me, NFL.
Goodell.
Let's get out Goodell on the phone.
I'm going to take a quick break here.
We got some news and notes.
I'm going to try to beat the waiver wire.
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News and notes. I don't have a ton here.
Seems like everybody just kind of chilled.
I have a bunch if you want.
All right, good, good. Yeah, I'm going to need more.
Aaron Jones could be a game-time decision.
It's the first game we'll talk about, but real quick,
Jones or Dillon, if they both play?
I would go back to Jones, but I think it's almost like how,
depending on how you treated the Cowboys,
I know I treated the Cowboys both as potential starters.
So I would start Jones.
If I had both, I'd only start Jones.
If I don't have both, I'd still consider Dillon at least a flex.
Yes, I did.
I started them both against you, and after the kick return,
I was like, oh, please tell me we get points for that. Please tell me we get points. Ah, we don't get any points for that. Check the score. I started them against against you, and after the kick return, I was like, oh, please tell me we get points for that.
Please tell me we get – ah, we don't get any points for that.
Check the score.
I started them against you in the podcast.
Oh, that's right.
All right, good.
We both got our 10 points out of him.
Except I lucked out because he didn't score that touchdown,
and I had Zeke, and you didn't, sucker.
Elijah Mitchell is questionable.
We also cut Daniel Carson before the week started. Ah. Elijah Mitchell is questionable. We also cut Daniel Carson before the week started.
Ah.
Elijah Mitchell questionable.
And he's got Minnesota.
So what do you think about this situation here?
49ers backfield against Minnesota.
Again, a game we'll get to in a bit.
If Mitchell plays, he's the guy.
And start him with a lot of confidence. If Wilson plays and he's the guy, and start him with a lot of confidence.
If Wilson plays and Mitchell does not play, start Wilson with moderate confidence.
Yeah, Mitchell's just better, it seems, at least right now.
For example, you'd have a lot more confidence, as you were just saying, Mitchell, then Wilson. Yeah. He's, and again, the injury that he's dealing with is, you know,
finger and ribs.
It's pain tolerance as opposed to, you know,
something with his legs that he's got to work himself back into shape.
It's just weird because they expected him to play last week,
and now he's still not taking contact.
Well, I think the fact that he's been limited is a good sign, you know,
because why would you put him in full where you risk any further damage?
Yeah, but apparently he's using his left hand.
He's still not able to use his right hand.
Eli Mitchell, we're talking about.
Mike Evans mispracticed.
It's back soreness.
So, I don't know.
I feel like he's going to play.
But we'll see if he practices today.
Yep.
You take a look at Tyler Johnson if Evans is out.
Kadarius Toney and Sterling Shepard both mispracticed.
And they're both in serious jeopardy of not playing against the Eagles.
Another game we'll get to.
But would you be more interested in Gallaudet?
Would that help?
Darius Slay, by the way, making progress,
trending in the right direction.
He's in the concussion protocol.
I would obviously like Gallaudet if there is no Darius Slay.
I would like Gallaudet if there is no Kadarius Toney and Sterling Shepard.
I mean,
one of the major takeaways from the firing of Jason Garrett has to be
get Kenny Galladay more involved after he only had two
targets, and Joe Judd is expressing his frustration
with that. So, it just, everything
lines up for Galladay having
some semblance of a good game.
Whether he delivers, that's hard to say. That was a squeaky
wheel, squeaky crickets.
Corey Davis mispracticed, so he really may not play at Houston.
Yeah, tweaked his groin in Wednesday's practice,
and reportedly after it was just a throwing drill,
so take this for what you will of Zach Wilson,
not even in a team situation, that he overthrew Corey Davis,
who tweaked his groin
and then threw his helmet in disgust
was the report.
Because the throw was so bad?
No, because he got hurt.
I know.
Okay, Rabadre Stevenson
was limited with a knee injury.
That would certainly
clear up that backfield.
Well, Harris is also dealing
with a neck injury.
Oh.
Uh-oh.
Did I drop Brandon Bolden too soon? well harris was limited or he missed harris
was limited on wednesday and thursday remandre stevenson was added on thursday right so probably
a little worse i guess i i don't know you never want to be added to the injury report midweek
um okay so we'll keep an eye on that if they they don't go, if one of them goes, then it's a great situation.
If both of them don't go, then what's the deal?
Bolden? Taylor?
That's what we thought when they both had the concussions.
I would think Bolden is the better of the two, but J.J. Taylor will play.
But I think one thing that we're overlooking a little bit,
at least the way it feels, the Titans' defense is still good.
And don't forget about that. Just because they lost to the Texans, the defense didn't it feels. The Titans' defense is still good. Don't forget about that.
Just because they lost to the Texans, the defense didn't fall
apart. The offense fell apart.
Okay. More news and notes.
Wrap it up here. Minka Fitzpatrick
off the reserve COVID list. You said Pittsburgh
is going to get healthier this week, right?
That was the expectation.
TJ Watt and Joe Hayden would be joining
Minka Fitzpatrick. We expected Fitzpatrick back
because of the COVID-19 protocols.
So not an easy situation for the Bengals passing game.
I think Joe Mixon will still be fine.
AJ Brown missed practice,
and he's in jeopardy of missing the game at New England.
He's the only Titan we'd be interested in starting anyway.
But Nick Westbrook will pick up the slack.
You mean from receivers?
Yeah.
Well, I thought we kind of said sit them all anyway.
It's the safest route.
But if you get, I mean, look, we got both Deontay Foreman and Jeremy McNichols still banged up.
Foreman's dealing with a tricep injury.
And McNichols, I think, is the more important of the two because of his role.
Yeah.
Still in the concussion protocol.
So if you have Hilliard after what we saw, I don't think it'll be as good because the
Patriots know he's what he's capable of doing. And there's limited weapons of AJ Brown doesn't play,
but we've seen this. The Patriots are one of, I think five teams that have allowed 70 plus
receptions. They're bad in that regard to running backs. And so if you have that situation, once
again, I think Hilliard is, is in the flex conversation for sure. Yeah. And actually the
game, one game we saw without AJ Brown and Julio Jones was the Jets game
and Jeremy McNichols
had a huge game
catching the ball
out of the backfield.
So that does make some sense there.
Marquise Brown was limited
after missing last week's game.
Hopefully he's back
for the Cleveland game.
He's expected to play.
Cordaro Patterson was limited.
Is he expected to play?
Do we know?
I think that's the way
it's trending, you know,
so I'm hopeful.
I just spent my last $2 in the guillotine league to pick him up.
Oh, still in it.
Still in it.
Yeah.
Next week's going to be a tough one for me, though, because I have both Browns and Patterson
and the Patriots guys.
That's my running backs.
I have both Patriots, both Browns, and Patterson, and Javante Williams.
So what I need is, I need Javante Williams to be the lead guy,
and Patterson to be healthy, and then I'll be okay.
But if I get past weeks 13 and 14, somehow survive, I'm in great shape.
Okay.
Doesn't mean I'm going to win, but I'm in good shape.
You're not going to pick up any free agents, unfortunately.
And finally, Chuck.
No, no, no.
I got Kareem Hunt, Kyler Murray. This is my free agents, unfortunately. And finally, you get for I got all I got
Kareem Hunt, Kyler Murray.
This is my free agents this week.
I spent two dollars on Patterson.
Nobody spent two dollars on somebody
sells like 100 bucks left.
So remember, if you keep stockpiling
all these star players, you can't afford
all these other guys.
We're down to what?
Seven guys left.
No, six guys left.
My free agents were Kareem Hunt.
This all first come first serve after waivers ran. were Kareem Hunt. This is all first come, first serve after waivers ran.
So Kareem Hunt.
Oh, okay.
Kareem Hunt, Kyler Murray, Brandon Cooks, and one more.
Oh, I swapped out Joe Burrow for Kirk Cousins.
What a fun league.
It is fun.
And waivers lock after week 14, so.
Okay.
And Jerry Tillery
is off the reserve COVID list.
That's a cool feature,
by the way.
That's Chargers
starting defensive tackle
Jerry Tillery.
And I said their run defense
has been so much better
lately the last four weeks.
But no Linval Joseph.
No Linval Joseph,
but he's not a starter for them.
Still a big piece.
Yeah.
Okay.
Let's beat the waiver wire.
And confession, I did not have time to go over this, so I am sorry.
I went looking at the tight end just because I brought it up,
so I have some tight ends for you.
All right.
I got some DSTs.
Minnesota's at Detroit.
Yep.
Arizona's at Chicago.
I don't know if that's a great one.
Philadelphia's at the Jets.
You know, the Jets kill us every week,
but should have Zach Wilson starting next week.
Miami against the Giants.
And if anybody drops the Rams this week,
they have Jacksonville next week.
Those are the headliners there.
I think,
you know,
look,
Kadri Olesen,
we'll see.
I think people are
going to be a lot more
interested in adding
Matt Breida now
than they were
even yesterday.
So let's see if the
same thing happens
with Olesen.
I don't think it's
out of the question
that he just takes
over for Mike Davis
because Mike Davis
has been so bad.
I don't necessarily
think it's going to
happen,
but I'd say him and I'd say Rashad Penny too. I don't necessarily think it's going to happen, but I'd say him, and I'd say Rashad Penny, too.
I don't know what his status is.
I know he left with an injury.
Oh, I'd be picking up DJ Dallas first.
But I think if Penny is healthy,
I just don't see Dallas becoming their starting running back.
Well, you're picking up Dallas because of Penny not being healthy
and because of Dallas Collins still being unhealthy.
Collins is on the injury report every week and then he ends up playing, but Penny
Pete Carroll said it wasn't a big deal, but
I think Penny started last
week. I just feel like they want
Penny to be something.
I think they want anybody to be something.
Yeah, and I think Penny has a better
well, I don't know if he has a better chance than Dallas.
He has to stay healthy, obviously, and he can't ever.
So, all right, maybe somebody in the backfield, at least for Seattle.
Who'd you have at tight end?
Logan Thomas, if he's still available.
He's at 56%, and we know he's trending in the right direction
with an amazing schedule ahead.
If people drop Dan Arnold, he's now down to 60%.
He was bad last week, obviously, but you know what he was prior to that.
Ingram, I think, is going to have a decent game against the Eagles so if you want to get ahead of it he's got a chance
and especially if the other two guys are out based on what Philly's done against tight ends there
should be a spike in targets um Tyler Conklin is is still in the mix um I don't think he's going
to have a great game this week against the 49ers but against Detroit you just saw Cole Comet did
you know so hopefully he has an opportunity there.
And then,
you know,
if you want to look past next week,
um,
Austin Hooper,
as we've seen,
has gotten more involved and has some good upcoming schedule as a,
as a decent upcoming schedule.
So he's in the,
in the mix as well.
Okay.
And do you have any interest in Curtis Samuel?
Not much, but we'll see.
Isn't that a shame?
It's been hard.
I mean, look, he's still not healthy.
I know he's trending in the right direction, but he's still not healthy.
If you're just in a super deep league and you're desperate,
I'm curious to see what kind of role Eno Benjamin might have
when they actually have Kyler Murray.
But, yeah, I mean, he's 15% rostered.
Well, hopefully by that point, Chase Edmonds is back.
I think Edmonds is out at least one more game.
He has one more game, yes.
Yeah.
To fulfill his IR spot.
So probably this is...
Yeah, right.
What's the point of picking up Eno Benjamin?
Good point.
But that would be four weeks, though, the next game what's, what's the point of picking up, you know, Benjamin, but that would be four weeks though.
The next game.
Remember the initial timeframe was four to six weeks.
Cause this week counts as a week.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But he's on IR.
So he has to miss at least one more game.
Yes.
Yeah.
Um,
I would say receivers,
if you want to pick,
you should pick up Gallaudet now,
just in case,
um,
you know,
not,
not obviously,
you know,
from a schedule standpoint,
but hopefully he's,
he's right.
If you're looking down the road, you know, maybe Julio Jones still helps you, but hopefully he's right.
If you're looking down the road, maybe Julio Jones still helps you.
He's at 62%. Cool.
All right, let's do it.
Devontae Parker.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Devontae Parker, man.
Very underrated season when he's been on the field.
Maybe Will Fuller could contribute at some point as well.
And maybe that means Tua Tungwailoa is going to be somebody worth having down the stretch.
Okay, Rams at Packers.
And I would say, you know,
Garoppolo has a lot of good matchups coming up,
and he's really not playing poorly.
He's playing pretty well lately.
So who do they have next week?
19 more fancy points in four straight games.
He's averaging, I think, like 22 over that span.
At Seattle next week.
Seattle's defense has been a lot better lately,
but this team's got a lot of talent, those 49ers.
Okay, let's go to the Rams and the Packers.
Here we go.
The Packers, Rashawn Gary, good news.
He's been limited this week,
so trending in the right direction, I hope.
Kevin King, starting cornerback.
He has not practiced this week.
He's played three straight games.
I don't know if it's normal for him to not practice
at least two straight games. I don't remember him leaving with an injury last week.
Injuries have been kind of a thing for Green Bay because their defense was playing so well.
Then they gave up 34 points last week to Minnesota with
a pretty banged up defense. Stat of the game,
Minnesota last week is the only team with
multiple wide receivers to score more than 11 PPR fantasy points against the Packers.
So I know you're going to start Cooper Cup,
but who is your second favorite Rams receiver,
and is that guy start-worthy?
Van Jefferson is my second favorite for this week. i hope beckham proves to be better than
him but i still trust the guy who's been there the most as of now or more as of now uh start
worthy no three receiver leagues in the mix both guys are in the mix but i don't think either one
is should be considered a slam dunk so just you know it's more of a hope it's more of a you know can jefferson secure the touchdown that he
dropped in their last game against san francisco can odell beckham you know with a bye week to get
ready be the guy that we remember and you know finds the end zone for the first time since you
know the boat it feels like um so it's it's just tough to trust either one knowing
that they haven't been they haven't been great uh how much faith do you have in stafford after
two bad games in a row uh still starting him i have him in in a couple leagues myself but it's
not to the same level you know we got to get that guy back to where he was at the start of the
season for i think it was like eight of the first 10 games,
he scored like 25 or more points,
something like that.
Um,
you know,
we'll see.
It's,
it's the same thing with the receivers.
You know,
they're,
they're still trying to figure out what to do without Robert Woods.
And,
you know,
does that mean more work in the passing game for the running backs?
Does that mean more work for Tyler Higbee?
Does it mean that they're going to fully trust Van Jefferson and Beckham to
make plays?
It can't all just be on Cooper cup and, you know, smart defenses and the Packers have a smart defense.
They're going to try and take away what Cooper Cup does best and make things tough on Stafford.
But, you know, I'm not at the point yet.
The only guy that I would start over him, I guess I shouldn't say that.
The only two guys I would consider starting over him that, you know, you probably didn't expect to.
Kirk Cousins is one just based on how he's played and Cam.
Man, I don't think I could. expect to. Kirk Cousins is one, just based on how he's played. And Cam. Man.
I don't think I could...
I couldn't start Cam over Stafford.
He's just been so damn good,
Stafford. The last two weeks have been horrible
games for them. They've gotten blown out twice.
It must be really close for you, right?
Yeah. I think
I actually have Stafford ranked ahead of him, but it's...
Oh, okay.
Yeah, the thing is with the Packers is Yeah. I think I actually have Stafford ranked ahead of him, but they're in there.
Yeah, the thing is with the Packers is I think they have a pretty good defense,
but they've really benefited.
They've faced some lousy opponents lately,
and then they faced Arizona and Hopkins barely played,
and they faced a broken Russell Wilson
and probably a broken Patrick Mahomes,
but they still did.
I mean, they still were really,
really good.
I,
Adam,
I've been saying this first,
like six weeks,
like no Jair Alexander knows a Darius Smith.
They're going to get exposed.
They're going to,
their defense has been awesome.
You know?
Yeah,
it has.
Yeah,
it really has.
You know,
it's,
it's just,
again,
we could say all the things that have happened to help them along the way,
which is totally accurate,
but they just keep showing up week in week out.
And, and as great as Aaron Rogers has been, but they just keep showing up week in, week out. And,
and as great as Aaron Rogers has been as great as the running game has been, this defense is
a big reason why they are where they are. Big reason. Yeah. I can't wait for this game. I just
cannot wait. Uh, Tyler, I had a look when I was doing some Stafford research, how Jared Goff did
coming off a buy to see if that was a Sean McVay thing. And he wasn't good. And Stafford, the last
couple of seasons coming off a buy hasn't been good. In Sean McVay thing and he wasn't good. And Stafford, the last couple of seasons coming off a bye,
hasn't been good.
In fact, I think it was either last year or the year before,
he came off a bye at Green Bay and wasn't good.
So just something to keep in mind.
Okay.
Tyler Higby, start or sit?
You know what?
Tyler Higby or Evan Ingram?
I have Ingram ranked higher just because of the matchup.
But Higby's probably safer.
And let's do another Giants versus Rams comparison.
Two juggernaut offenses.
Saquon Barkley or Daryl Henderson?
Henderson for sure and non-PPR.
I would take Barkley and PPR.
They're both around 15th in the rankings for everyone.
And two pretty bad games in a row for Henderson,
but terrible game scripts. They got blown out in both of them. Another, you know, games in a row for Henderson. But terrible game scripts.
They got blown out in both of them.
Another, you know, this is a solid run defense.
But, yeah, you know, he's been really good this year.
He's earned the start, Daryl Henderson.
So, okay, that's that game.
Oh, that's that side.
Aaron Rodgers.
I'm finished with that guy.
Aaron Rodgers is fourth for you. He's seventh
for Dave and Heath.
And, yeah,
the Rams haven't really faced a lot of good
quarterbacks, but Brady scored 30.
Kyler scored 25.
Russell Wilson scored 11 points
on only 16 pass attempts,
and then he got left with an injury.
Gino had a good finish, though. Gino injury. Gino had a good finish, though.
Gino did.
Gino had a good finish, yeah.
But they've been pretty good against the other guys,
but they just haven't faced a lot of good quarterbacks,
good fantasy quarterbacks.
All right, so let's talk more about
Green Bay's running backs.
If A.J. Dillon is the only guy,
he's what for you?
Mustard, top 10 guy.
Yeah, good game for him last week.
About 100 total yards, had the catches.
But if Aaron Jones plays, this I found very interesting.
In the last three games that they both played together,
if you look at the Seattle game,
up until the point that Aaron Jones got hurt,
they actually had the same amount of carries in those three games.
It was like 2.75 games, basically.
They had the same amount of carries,
and that was really interesting.
Obviously, Jones had a much bigger role
in the passing game, but yeah,
where would you end up ranking them
if they both play?
I would have Jones somewhere
in the 12 to 15 range,
and I would have Dillon somewhere
in the 21 to 25 range.
And you would go with Jones over Henderson?
I would go with Henderson in non-PPR
and I would go with Jones in PPR.
Okay.
Just if you go back to the playoff game last year
when these two teams met,
they had 32 carries from their running backs
in a 32 to 18 win for the Packers.
I remember Aaron Donald was 100% in that game, but Jones went 14 for backs in a 32 to 18 win for the Packers. I remember Aaron Donald was a hundred percent in that game,
but Jones went 14 for 99 in a touchdown.
Jamal Williams went 12 for 65.
That's 5.4 yards per carry Jones at 7.1 yards per carry.
And AJ Dillon was six for 27,
four and a half yards per carry.
So they really did a great job running at the Rams.
Jones was the only one who had a catch one for 14,
but they will probably try and do something similar,
slow down Aaron Donald.
That's the way to slow him down is to run at him.
Looks like they're going to be, again, without David Bakhtiari.
He's still not practicing, and they lost their other left hand.
Oh, he's not playing this week.
Didn't he have arthroscopic surgery to clean up something?
Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't see that.
I'll double check.
Okay.
Yeah, you can usually come back pretty quickly from arthroscopic surgery so hopefully we get him after the bye week as well
they have their bye next week uh anyone other than adams like any interest in mvs
uh i mean look last week was fantastic you know forget about the the production 10 targets i mean
if they're going to give those that guy that many opportunities it's great and I don't know how much of that factored into the running game being,
you know,
a little bit concerning without Aaron Jones there.
So they gave,
you know,
put a little bit more on his plate with some different target opportunities,
but you know,
uh,
he's,
he's in the number three receiver conversation.
And just,
just think about it.
You know,
Ramsey shadowed Adams in the playoff game.
Adams had,
uh,
I guess right in front of me.
I should look Adams had, um, nine for 66 and a touchdown on 10 targets so not bad but not
horrible clearly um uh MVS had eight targets in that game you know so if he's eight to ten targets
you have to take a chance on starting him as a number three receiver but you'd start Jefferson
and Beckham over him I assume I would would start Jefferson. Beckham is probably a little bit tougher.
Going in, I think Beckham should have the better game
because he's a better player.
But if you tell me right now that MVS is getting eight-plus targets,
I will start him over Beckham.
Yeah, I can't tell you that, though.
That's very, very rare for him.
Yep.
And I don't think Ramsey's shattered anyone all year.
And Adams is usually on the left side of the field,
and Ramsey's usually on the other side of the field.
I don't see how in the world you don't put him on Devontae Adams,
but there's been games this year where I'm like,
why wouldn't they just use Ramsey?
Just shadow, shadow.
They've got one good receiver.
And they don't do it.
They never do it.
So I see if they change things up coming out of their bye.
But if things play out
the way that they have, I don't know that
Adams is going to see much of Ramsey.
Not that it really matters.
It's just I'm really curious.
And I think he'll be fine against Ramsey.
I'm going to guess if he plays his star
rover role, he'll be roving towards
Devante Adams side of the field.
I hope so.
They're hoping to have him back after the bye week.
Okay, there you go.
Sit the Green Bay tight ends and start or sit the DSTs in this game?
I mean, the safer route is to sit them,
but I think the Packers' DST is probably better.
I mean, you know, Aaron Rodgers, he doesn't throw interceptions,
so they don't turn the ball over very much,
and they'll probably still score, so don't love the Rams.
But you mentioned it, they get Jacksonville next week, so don't turn the ball over very much, and they'll probably still score. So don't love the Rams. But you mentioned it.
They get Jacksonville next week, so don't drop the Rams.
So just depending on how your team looks,
if you can carry two DSTs, carry them.
Otherwise, just take your lumps and hope for special teams play,
fumble, the occasional sack.
Ryan Rogers knows it's coming.
He's going to pull down the wrong way and points to the ref.
There's plenty of scenarios.
I mean, look, he's playing through a broken toe.
So you never know what happens.
Seattle at Washington.
Seattle cornerback DJ Reed missed last week's game,
but he was limited in practice on Thursday.
So another little beat up in their secondary.
It would be nice to get him back.
Here's your repeat stat of the game.
You have this one last week, but we're going to update it now.
We look at running backs against the Seahawks. They have now held their last five lead running back opponents to 3.4 yards per carry
for Najee Harris, 2.6 for Kamara, 3.6 for Hyde, 3.1 for Dillon, and 3.0 for James Conner. They've
been outstanding against the run
now five straight weeks.
Usually, though, it doesn't matter
because they're so bad
against pass-catching running backs.
They give up the most receiving yards by far.
11 running backs have had 37 or more
receiving yards against the Seahawks,
and they give up touchdowns as well.
But, Jamie, you've got Gibson,
who had zero catches last week but he's almost always
two catches a game it's not really he doesn't have that to fall back on so now you've got him
against a good run defense very good lately without the passing role in most games and
Russell Wilson's your start of the week so I think the Seahawks are going to put up points
how confident are you in Antonio Gibson?
I'm confident from the standpoint of
he seems to be healthy,
and so a healthy Antonio Gibson is worth
starting, even in a tough matchup. You saw it against
Tampa Bay. I think if there's any
indication of what he's capable of doing in a game
where... Even if Russell Wilson
plays great, they're not running away from Washington.
That's just not the way that they play
for the most part, especially on the road.
I think this will be a competitive game. I think Gibson's have an opportunity especially early in the game to have chances and as we saw like Josh Jacobs had
a good fantasy day yesterday but if that game doesn't go to overtime and he doesn't have the
short yards touchdown on the pass interference play it's not great um and I think you can see
something similar from from uh antonio gibson
on top of that we got to yesterday which is the first day of practice for washington
and jd mckinsey showed up on the injury report yeah you know so he went through a limited practice
i forget what the injury is um if he's if he's dinged up or out i would imagine antonio gibson's
role in the past yeah that would change things um So as we sit here today, he's a number two running back.
I got lucky last week saying to sit Antonio Gibson
because he fumbled and didn't find the end zone.
If he doesn't fumble, it's a solid rushing day.
And who knows what happens the rest of that drive.
Would you start a Broncos running back or Gibson?
Gibson.
Would you start a Broncos running back or McKissick? Would you start a Broncos running back or McKissick?
It's a dream matchup for McKissick, full PPR.
Yeah, I still would start the Broncos running backs,
obviously not in half PPR, but in full PPR,
McKissick is definitely in the conversation to be a flex
and maybe a borderline starter.
But he's just been so nonexistent the last couple weeks.
Part of the problem is, and this was the concern with Heineke,
is he runs.
And so when he's not looking to check the ball down,
it's a problem for McKissick,
and that's been a problem the last couple of weeks.
Well, I feel like a bigger problem for McKissick
was that he was very consistently alternating good week, bad week.
And it wasn't just good week, bad week.
It was terrible week, great week.
And then they had the bye,
and I think it just screwed his whole
calendar up basically so he doesn't really know like is it an even number week you know i just
think that screwed him up jamie because after the buy now he's had two bad weeks in a row and that
just didn't happen jd mckissick so yep that's what you listen to this show for for that kind
of analysis uh before we go to the next game, I have some news for you. Next game?
We've got two players into this game.
We're not even close to the next game.
You can give me the news. Go ahead.
No, no. Let's stay with the game.
All right. Don't forget. I'm going to forget, so don't forget.
McKissick or Van Jefferson?
McKissick and PPR.
McKissick or Alex Collins?
McKissick and PPR. Half PPR. McKissick. Alex Collins? McKissick and PPR. Half PPR.
McKissick. Non-PPR.
Collins.
Okay. I can't imagine you're too confident. Quarter PPR would be Collins too.
Okay. I can't imagine.
Quarter PPR would be McKissick.
You're probably not too confident in Alex Collins.
No.
Good run defense and he's just been
lousy.
Good to go with both Seattle wide receivers?
Throw early Seattle, please.
Just let him get in the rhythm.
Let Russell Wilson get in the rhythm.
So here's the thing with Russell Wilson,
and this ties into the receivers.
He obviously does not look good.
So if you've watched the games, you see he's not throwing the ball the same.
He pointed out after the game last week that a couple of deep balls he threw was Tyler Lockett.
He had a couple of them that were decent.
They played coming back from the injury.
Again, Packers defense that has been lights out for the most part against very good quarterbacks.
And then they played an Arizona defense that for the most part has been lights out against opposing quarterbacks and a very good defense.
So it's not like he's had cake opponents that he struggled against i hope hope that some of the
extended practice time and rest with the monday game gives him an opportunity to get things right
i'm banking on the matchup him getting things right i think dk mccaff and tyler lock could
both go off in this game um So I think, you know,
this is Russ.
This is on him.
You can't sit here and do all these antics
of the pregame warm-ups when you're not
playing, and your team is...
If he loses, by the way, one more game, the most losses
his team has ever had since he's been a starter.
Based on what I
have read and
seen, and I went back and I watched just about every throw he made, he's a little bit off.
He missed Gerald Everett pretty open for a touchdown in the last game.
But the biggest problem seems to be, look, they want to have this hybrid of quick stuff, get the ball out of his hand quickly, but also use his strengths to occasionally hit the deep ball.
Because he's the best, basically, in the business at that. He's one of the best. The problem is they are so bad
on third down. They are the second worst team in the NFL, third down conversions. Only Jacksonville
is worse that they can't sustain drives. They have the worst time of possession in the NFL.
And if they don't hit those big plays, you got nothing.
The good thing is,
the Washington football team is the worst third down defense in football.
By far.
They are allowing 53% conversions on third down.
Number two is the Chargers at 47%.
So everything is setting up great
for the Seahawks offense.
And if they can't get it going, either they're in real trouble
or I'm just going to say, well, it was a cross-country trip
and a 1 o'clock start and they were tired.
They ate too much turkey.
No, it's Monday night.
Oh, okay.
I'm sorry about that, of course.
Then forget it.
Then it's fine, honestly.
That's like...
So he's 10-2 in his career on Monday night.
He's got like 100-something passer rating on Monday night.
He typically plays well in these setups.
And so I'm hopeful.
I'm hopeful that he's going to bounce back
and look like the quarterback we saw at the start of the season,
the quarterback that we saw last season.
Again, and this goes to what you were talking about on third downs,
your run game stinks.
Yeah.
This should absolutely be... This is the definition on third downs. Your run game stinks. Yeah. This should absolutely be.
This is the definition of throw to score, run to win.
Put the ball in your quarterback's hands.
DK Metcalf is begging for this.
Lean on your playmakers.
Alex Collins, DJ Dallas.
If Rashad Penny and whatever health he has is dragged out there,
that's not the strength of your team.
It's not.
It's not Marshawn Lynch.
It's not the best of Chris Carson. You have to let, if you're going to save your season by
any stretch, it's got to be Russell Wilson, DK Metcalf, Tyler Lockett on offense. I like the
fact that Pete Carroll says Gerald Everett needs to stay involved. He's a guy you can look at as a streamer as well.
So, you know, hopefully that's the case.
All right. Gerald Everett or of Washington
football team tight end?
Logan Thomas if he plays.
Otherwise, Gerald Everett.
Gerald Everett. We're going to go with practice again.
Gerald Everett or Tyler Higby?
I still have Higby ranked higher, but it's close.
That means you have Ingram ranked higher than Everett as well.
Yes.
Taylor Heineke is top 15.
He's 14th or 15th for you guys and coming off a really good game
he was pretty bad before that but uh yeah i mean seattle's been good so how do you crack the top
15 for you i guess they've allowed six touchdown passes in their last six games the cardinal they
were really the seahawks sorry they're really bad last week against the Cardinals, but been better lately overall.
Yeah, I mean, it's more of will he continue to use his legs?
Will he continue to lean on Terry McLaurin?
We saw McLaurin have a good game last week
in what we thought was going to be a tough matchup.
You're seeing other guys step up.
You know, DeAndre Carter scored a touchdown in three straight games.
I'm hoping they get Logan Thomas back.
Sometimes when we do these rankings, at least for me, I kind of Carter scored a touchdown in three straight games. I'm hoping they get Logan Thomas back. You know, sometimes when we do these rankings, at least, you know, for me, I kind of hedge
myself a little bit.
So I have Heineke ranked as if Thomas is going to play, even though we don't have Thomas
ranked.
Okay.
So you're looking at, would you start Heineke or Tua?
Heineke.
Heineke or Garoppolo?
This is not a great, you know, once we get past basically like QB 12 or 13 and get into
this range, it's like you're hoping for 20 fantasy points.
All right.
So you'd start Garoppolo and Taylor over Heineke.
I would, yes.
Tyrod Taylor over Taylor Heineke.
And McLaurin's top 12.
We talked about the running backs.
Logan Thomas, you can start him if he plays.
Seattle's 24th against tight ends.
They've been pretty bad.
All right.
Minnesota at San Francisco.
My news.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
See, I told you I'd forget.
Yep, this is from Ian Rappaport in regards to two guys from yesterday.
Darren Waller is going to have tests today,
but apparently was not in a lot of pain last night.
So that's a good sign from what they're hoping.
And Ezekiel Elliott is going to have his touches.
They may alter touches between him and Tony Pollard going forward
because of Elliott's bone bruise in his knee.
Awful fantasy.
Awful news.
I mean, unless you have Pollard.
But that just sucks.
Now, they always use Zeke at the goal line.
And the passing game.
Yeah.
I hate it, though.
Just sit.
Just let's see what Pollard can do.
Minnesota to San Francisco.
I think this game is really unpredictable
because I think these defenses have been very inconsistent.
Sometimes they look really good.
Sometimes they look really bad.
What do you think about this game, Minnesota and San Francisco?
I think, and I'm sure I'm going to be wrong,
but this is the way I feel about it going in,
is it's either going to be a very high-scoring game
or very lopsided in favor of San Francisco.
Yeah, I can't see Minnesota blowing them out, right?
Right.
And I think you're probably right about that.
I don't think it's going to be low-scoring either,
especially Minnesota.
They're likely without Everson Griffin and Dalvin Tomlinson
on their defensive line.
And Don DeNeal Hunter.
Yeah. And
San Francisco's kind of rolling lately. They just seem
to have it figured out.
So which quarterback do you prefer in this
game? I prefer Cousins
because I think what's going to... You're not getting away
from Dalvin Cook and his role in the passing
game is still there.
But I feel like San Fran will establish their run game
and get going.
And then you'll see whatever Garoppolo does creatively.
I think the problem with Garoppolo is
unless they're chasing points,
which could happen because I think Minnesota's offense
is in a little bit of a groove.
If they're chasing points, not not hugely but then garoppolo
probably has a chance to get north to 25 but i think he kind of lives in that 20 19 to 23 point
range and so you're hoping for like you know he's been consistently with two touchdowns but it's
been you know the last two weeks under 200 yards passing so you're hoping for like a 250 and two
type of game for him and you know whatever he does on the ground with limited turnovers yeah
it's funny you say the Vikings offense is in a groove.
A few weeks ago, after the Dallas game,
they lost the Cooper rush at home.
They got nothing going.
Oh, I know.
Because it was the start of the weekend.
Kubiak was under fire and, you know,
people were just, this offense is broken.
And then they made a change two weeks ago.
They just started throwing the ball to
justin jefferson a ton and he is carrying them i mean i'm so impressed with what i've been i've
watched each of the last two games live basically and he's just their best player right now he's
making every play he's drawing pass interferences and he's killing it um and then obviously cook is
doing a lot too but cook is not really Dalvin Cook this year.
Jefferson is carrying that team.
It's awesome.
Pete, we had a bunch of guys go to Vikings training camp,
Brian McFadden and Pete Prisco being the two on-air talents.
McFadden, BMAC is a former cornerback for the Steelers,
his cousins, Patrick Peterson.
They do a podcast together.
It's great.
All things covered.
Yes, Pete was there
doing his training camp tour.
He came away
from that saying,
Justin Jefferson is the best receiver in the NFL.
That's not a huge stretch
to say based on his rookie
season, but it's still a huge stretch to say based on
Tyreek Hill and Devontae Adams
and what those guys at the top of most fantasy rank lists were expected to do, DeAndre Hopkins,
et cetera, Stephon Diggs. You know who else said that, right?
Huh? You know who else said that?
You said it, yeah. Yeah. Well, I said my bold prediction was that
Justin Jefferson will be the best receiver in the NFL. I thought people, every year we have a new
best receiver in the NFL, I thought it was going to be Justin Jefferson.
I don't think we're going to get that, but he's great.
You saw the, you saw obviously the, the, the slowish start, you know,
he wasn't, you know, a flop by any stretch,
but he wasn't playing like this.
And like you said, they, the Kubiak came out of the game.
I don't think it was Dallas game, but I think you said it two,
two weeks ago that it was just a travesty
that he wasn't getting more targets.
Yeah, that was the game after Dallas.
Right.
That's on you, buddy.
Yeah, it's been fun to watch.
It's opened things up for Adam Thielen,
as we saw.
Is he a must start?
Adam Thielen?
I think so.
Okay, Thielen or Lockett this week? Lockett. Yeah, but they're both going to be starting. I'm feeling, I think so. Okay.
If you want to lock it this week,
lock it.
Yeah.
But they're both going to be started.
Just looking at the state of the wide receiver position,
you wouldn't start Elijah more over Adam feeling,
would you?
Uh,
in non PPR,
I would start feeling just based on his touchdown potential and PPR.
I'd go more.
Wow.
Okay.
Um,
but that's the same range of guys and they're both,
both top 20.
So, all right. So yeah, the same range of guys. And they're both top 20. So, all right.
So, yeah, the Tyler Conklin, where is he in the streamers?
I have him ahead of Everett.
I don't feel comfortable with that.
So, like, you know, it's between Ingram and Everett range, you know,
so 13 through 20.
Speaking of 13 through 20, Jimmy Garoppolo is 13th for Jamie
and 20th for Heath and 20th for Heath
and 10th for Dave.
Three straight games with two touchdown passes.
And then before that, he had two rushing touchdowns.
So he's been 26, 23, 19, and 19.
And I've brought this up earlier in the week.
When they win, he throws like 25 times.
That might be a little bit of an exaggeration.
When they lose, he usually throws 40 times.
And that is not an exaggeration.
I think this game's
going to be kind of in the middle. I think they'll
probably win, but it's going to be one where
he has to throw. They're not just going to
run out the clock against Minnesota.
The concern for Garoppolo would
be this, and this is why you're still
starting every receiving option, is
that they run
the ball because of the injuries up front to
Minnesota especially if Mitchell's there Mitchell's not there it's better for grapple I think because
Wilson's just not as good but if they if they run and then he gets you one touchdown to Iuke and one
touchdown to Kittle and he loses a touchdown to Debo running one in so Debo still gets his
production and so that's essentially what we saw last week right right? Against Jacksonville? Yeah, yeah. Well, if
Debo didn't get the rushing production, he would have been the biggest
bust of the week.
But that's what I'm saying. They're finding ways
to put the ball in his hands.
And Iyuk has seven to eight targets in three
of his last four games. So Iyuk is going to
be a tough call for people. Would you go Iyuk or
Elijah Moore? Elijah Moore.
Would you go Iyuk
or J.D. McKissick?
Iyuk, certainly non-PPR.
Probably McKissick.
Iyuk in PPR.
So I'll start Iyuk.
Iyuk, okay.
Would you go Iyuk or Mike Williams?
Iyuk.
Jerry Judy?
Iyuk.
Devante Smith?
Sounds like I'm sneezing.
Iyuk. Allante Smith. Sounds like I'm sneezing. Ayuk.
All right, Gesundheit.
George Kittle's start,
and you kind of laid it out with the running backs.
Elijah Mitchell, if he plays,
would he be in the Daryl Henderson,
Saquon Barkley range?
Yes.
And if he doesn't play,
Jeff Wilson would be?
Behind those guys.
Would he be behind
Devante Williams and Melvin Gordon?
No, ahead.
I think you can't overlook the fact that
if Tomlinson doesn't play as expected,
if Griffin is not there,
there's only so much this defense can handle against this.
This team just runs the ball.
I mean, they're going to give him every opportunity to run.
So you know that there's the workload coming,
and now you know that there's a little bit more of a favorable matchup.
Yep, 19 carries last week for Wilson.
Just hope Sermon doesn't eat into that.
Plus 10 for Sermon.
So they're not going to give it to three guys.
Yeah.
All right, and that is it for this game.
I'm assuming we're kind of like on the fence with the DSTs,
with the Niners anyway.
Oh, I would try to stay away from Minnesota for sure.
And the Niners are, look, they're playing a lot better.
So Cousins can always turn the ball over.
But not a must-start DST by far.
Two games left. Eagles at Giants.
Eagles in their last four games, they are 3-1.
They have scored 30 or more points in three of four games.
Imagine if they ran the ball to start the season.
Yeah, they've had 35 minutes of possession in three.
Yeah, it's a big game for me.
You've got to beat those stupid Giants. Let's go.
And your repeat
stat of the game. I think you all know this by now,
but Eagles are the worst against tight
ends. 77 yards or a touchdown
now in seven straight games
for a tight end against Philadelphia.
So I guess you get
to the point with tight end where you just
when do you say, all right, fine, I'll stream
Evan Ingram. Who do you have to have to be like all right i'm gonna take ingram i have him in two
leagues where i have travis kelsey you know so it's just matchup bines and matchup i think if
there's ever example of buying to the matchup is adam troutman last week you know so i would say
that you know probably going into the the eagles game last week the targets were relatively similar
for each of these two tight ends you know getting five to six per week a six to seven per week whatever it is and uh did
very little with it and then you play the eagles and things look a lot better you find the end zone
so um kyle rudolph i believe is out right um i don't know if he's officially out but he's probably
out yeah and now you have cadareous tony banged up you Kadarius Toney banged up. You have Sterling Shepard banged up.
So is it taking your chances against the perimeter guys like Slay
and the other members of the secondary there,
which are escaping me right now, I apologize,
with Darius Slayton and John Ross?
Or are you taking your chances with Galladay on the perimeter
and Ingram in the middle of the field?
Okay, so...
This is a big spot for Ingram.
A tone for your big drop last year
that everybody remembers.
Yeah, but obviously he can't be too high
because he's Evan Ingram.
No, no.
There's nobody that has been started
that I would start him over.
If you want to put Conklin in that conversation,
Uzama in that conversation,
Higby in that conversation, those are the names that I'm starting Evan Ingram over. If you want to put Conklin in that conversation, Uzama in that conversation, Higby in that conversation,
those are the names that I'm starting Evan Ingram
over.
Let's talk about the...
I guess we'll finish up on the Giants. Sit Daniel Jones,
start Saquon Barkley. He's
15th-ish, and
he's been very reliable in the passing game, but
this is probably the
easiest matchup he's had all year. He's had
very tough matchups.
And I know you say like, well, what about Atlanta?
Well, actually, they're pretty good against the run.
The Eagles typically are not.
But, you know, he's struggling, but he'll catch passes.
Anyways, Barkley, you're starting him.
I think the thing that you hope for,
and this ties into Ingram as well,
is Freddie Kitchens reportedly spent a lot of time
with the tight ends.
That was his position last year as a tight ends coach and with the running
backs.
And so, you know, hopefully we get,
if I'm Joe judge and I'm making this move,
it's not making this move to be lateral and still be stagnant and do what
you've been doing.
It's Saquon, but it's almost like the Viking situation.
Put the ball in your best player's hands.
And so Saquon needs to have as many touches as he can handle.
Stop with this.
Two carries.
He doesn't see the field again until the next drive.
Or doesn't get touched until the next.
You've got to get him in a rhythm early.
You've got to give Galladay targets.
You may make mistakes, but give him six to eight targets in the game,
especially if the other guys are out.
You've got to give Ingram targets and take your chances there.
Okay, so who's your favorite running back in this game? especially if the other guys are out. You've got to give Ingram targets and take your chances there. Who's your favorite running back in this
game? It's Barkley.
Who's your favorite wide
receiver in this game? Smith.
Would you
start Galladay or...
Caden Smith.
Would you start Kenny Galladay or
Alex Collins?
I would start Galladay.
Right now, we have it ranked. so if anybody's looking, we have it
ranked as if Kadarius Toney's still playing.
So when Toney comes out, Galladay will move up, and I
will remove him from start set. Right now, he's a set.
Galladay.
What about Toney, if he plays?
I think he's the best Giants receiver
if Shepard's out. I mean, you saw it last week.
I'll say the same thing.
This is what Daniel Jones does. He looks for the guy
in the middle of the field.
I don't know what Daniel Jones...
He looks for the other team a lot, too.
And...
Okay.
So, I guess my point is,
Barkley's the only must-start giant, right?
Let's just say that.
Barkley is the only must-start giant, yes.
Right.
Tony, even if he plays,
is not going to be a must-start for you.
And Tony only plays like 60% of the snaps. Now,
he did get hurt last week, but he gets hurt every week.
On the Eagles side of the
ball, I really like Miles Sanders. I mean, I
know he's going to have a good rushing average.
Giants run defense stinks. It's just a matter
of will he score. He's probably not going to catch
a pass. I shouldn't say that, but
there's a decent chance he doesn't catch a pass. He didn't
last week. 16
carries for 94 yards.
He is in your top 20.
You're the highest on Miles Sanders.
You have him 18th, so good for you.
Boston Scott, fun stats on him.
He owns the Giants.
He's scored a touchdown in every game against the Giants.
His only receiving touchdown of his career
is against the Giants.
He has six games in his career with a rushing touchdown,
and three of them were against the Giants,
and two running backs have had 10 or more carries in four straight games for the Eagles.
So I don't think many people are going to start Boston Scott, but if you're desperate and he's
in your waiver wire, it could be something there. Why are you so confident in Jalen Hurts? I think
all of you have him fourth, I believe, or fifth. And this is a guy who in his last four games
doesn't have more than 24 pass attempts,
doesn't have more than 178 passing yards.
He has three touchdown passes in his last four games.
He had three rushing touchdowns last week,
but putting him top five I thought was pretty interesting.
Well, I mean, we're kind of low
by comparison to a couple other places.
Vandal has him as the number one quarterback this week based on pricing.
In the main slate, yeah.
In the main slate.
It's not a great week for quarterbacks, first off.
You know, when you talk about, you know, at least going in, you know,
Dak not having his two guys.
Stafford's been struggling.
Joe Burrow's got a tough matchup if the Steelers guys are there um rogers has a broken toe you know so there's there's a lot
and playing the rams so i think you just look at hertz coming off the game that he just had
uh hoping he's going to continue to run um then you saw two games ago the multiple touchdowns
to davante smith so if at some point he puts everything together you know we could be looking
at a top three performance for him so So it's comparing him to the field.
And I think there's, there's a lot to like about what Jalen Hurst brings to the table against the
Giants defense. That clearly is not great. Yeah. I really hope this is a close game
because it usually is. These teams play very good games, but at least recently, but, um,
I may be wrong about that. I know they did last year, but if it's not, I'm just kind of worried about Devontae Smith
because he has a tough time getting more than six targets.
He has a tough time getting more than 60 yards.
Is he a must start?
Is Devontae Smith a must start?
He is in the must start conversation, yes.
Better, I think, in non-PPR than PPR
because he's just not going to have the huge volume of
catches,
but,
uh,
and you might see Bradbury,
which could be tough on him,
but this is the type of receiver I think that Bradbury tends to struggle with,
you know,
smaller,
quicker guys.
Yeah.
He'll probably see a Dory Jackson if that's the case.
Yeah.
Which I think is a good thing for him.
Um,
so it's,
it's,
yeah,
he's a number two receiver,
but he's a guy that we're going to talk about in,
uh, in about, uh about an hour and 15 minutes,
so we need to wrap this up.
All right, yeah.
All right, all right.
So, Sanders or Devontae Smith?
Miles Sanders or Devontae Smith?
Sanders.
Smith and PPR.
Dallas Goddard is a must-start tight end,
and that's the Eagles DST.
You like him?
I do.
Okay.
The Giants have won twice since 2014 against the Eagles.
Ridiculous.
All right, last game is Tampa Bay and the Colts.
So Brady, Godwin, Evans, must start.
Brady or Hurts?
Brady.
What if Evans misses the game?
Brady.
Okay.
Fournette must start.
He's in the Barkley-Henderson range.
Tough matchup, though.
Yeah, it is a tough matchup.
Luckily, he has three or more catches in every game.
He has 14 catches in his last two games.
Always get that from Leonard Fournette.
Gronkowski or Dallas Goddard?
Who do you like?
I like Gronkowski, especially if Evans is up.
The Colts have allowed 67 yards or a touchdown
to a tight end in four straight games,
and that's against Tennessee, the Jets, the Jaguars, and Buffalo.
So this looks like a very good matchup.
The Colts have a bad pass defense.
That's been the M.O. this year.
Good run defense, though.
Now, on the other side of the ball, Carson Wentz
throws
11.8 more passes
per game in losses than
wins. And if you're looking at
Michael Pittman's targets
and why they've been so low lately, they're winning
a lot lately.
If the Bucs put up points,
that's going to be good for Pittman. How do you feel about
I know you're sitting Wentz and starting Taylor,
but how do you feel about Pittman?
A little bit better than I did last week,
but I still think that there's a couple of things at play here.
First off, he's struggled with T.Y. Hilton on the field.
His best games would come when Hilton's been off the field.
Clearly, Jonathan Taylor's been amazing, and like you said,
that's been a problem for the entire passing game.
But I also think that this Bucs defense has the corner, you know, from where it was,
uh, you can't run on them. You can throw on them. Um, and they're getting guys healthy in the
secondary. You can't throw on them to the same extent anymore. So I'm, I'm concerned. I think
it's, uh, he's not a slam dunk. He is in the, uh, low end number two, high end number three
receiver range. I would start Iuke over him. I would start Elijah Moore over him. I would start Devontae Smith over him.
I would start Jason Staple over him.
I'm trying to think of other guys
that we might have talked about today, but
that's kind of where I come out with them.
Vitavea, by the way, not that this
affects Pittman, but Vitavea is likely
going to play. The Buccaneers
have not allowed more than 70 yards
to a wide receiver in seven straight games.
In those seven games, only Traquan Smith and DeAndre Carter have caught a touchdown.
But Pittman is arguably the second best wide receiver they will have faced in that stretch behind McLaurin, who was really bad.
All right, that's going to wrap it up.
We've got FFT in an hour and 10 minutes.
So Jamie has to drive to the office.
We've got to get going.
I hope everybody had a great Thanksgiving.
Thanks for being with us early on this Friday morning.
Mailbag coming up later.
And we will talk to you then.
See you later.