Fantasy Football Today - Start or Sit (NFC): Thielen? Brady? Mostert? (11/04 Fantasy Football Podcast)
Episode Date: November 4, 2022We've got some fascinating stats to kick off the show on Matthew Stafford, Tom Brady, Kirk Cousins and D.K. Metcalf. Metcalf has a dreadful history against the Cardinals, so why are the guys still con...fident in him this week? Then we recap Eagles-Texans (5:10) and wonder if it's time to buy low on DeVonta Smith or if Fantasy managers should sit him ... News and notes (10:10), Beat the Waiver Wire (17:40) and One Question for Each Game (22:40). Are we starting Geno Smith? Adam Thielen? Romeo Doubs? Isaiah Likely? ... Start or Sit for Seahawks-Cardinals (32:50), Packers-Lions (39:15), Rams-Bucs (51:55), Dolphins-Bears (58:00), Vikings-Commanders (1:06:00) and Ravens-Saints (1:13:00) ... Email us at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @ctowerscbs Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Get 20% off Fantasy Football Today merch: https://store.cbssports.com/collections/fantasy-football-today%20?utm_source=podcast-apple-com&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=buy-our-merch&utm_content=fantasy-football-collection Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Happy Friday, everyone.
What's going on? Welcome to Fantasy Football Today.
I'm in a raise the roof kind of mood. Very happy for the weekend to be here and we can watch some good football this weekend. You sound like a man that did a taste test with
two candy bars. I did do a taste test with two candy bars last night. Could not tell them apart. They are the same candy
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Adam, I will not
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brought it up. They are the same. And now he's starting
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sugar high. Yeah, a lot of
sugar this week. so we got six games
to talk about today uh to preview today seattle and arizona the rematch green bay at detroit
rams at tampa bay miami at chicago minnesota at washington the kirk cousins revenge game
baltimore whoa whoa whoa whoa the tay Taylor Heineke revenge game too.
Oh, okay.
My bad.
The first team was the Vikings.
Thank you.
Couldn't it also be a Kevin O'Connell revenge game?
Could be.
He was on the coaching staff of Washington once upon a time. A lot of moving parts here.
Going to be a brawl in that game.
And Baltimore at New Orleans.
Just here are some of my,
these are a few of my favorite stats for today's games. Matthew
Stafford and Tom Brady are 27th
and 29th respectively in
touchdown rate among qualified
quarterbacks. In 2021, they were second
and sixth respectively.
It's funny, Dave. We talk about Tom
Brady's not throwing a lot of touchdowns, not throwing a lot
of touchdowns because they say the same exact thing about Matthew
Stafford, but for some reason, we're a lot
more optimistic about Brady. I mean, not for obvious reasons for some reason we're a lot more optimistic about Brady. I mean, for obvious reasons, I think we're a lot more
optimistic about Brady. I think we are because we
give him a pass because we like his receiving core. We know he hasn't
been pressured like crazy, certainly not like Matthew Stafford has.
And so we're hoping that he can rectify it. We all witnessed the drop
touchdown two weeks ago.
I've referenced the K dot and touchdown called back this week when talking
about Brady as a start,
I'm still willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
He's a top 12 quarterback for me this week.
All right.
And you know,
for Stafford,
he has a career low 2.7% touchdown rate.
He has the third most green zone pass attempts and only five touchdowns in the green
zone. He's got a 23%
completion rate on end zone targets. That is
a career low. It is down from
41.8% last year.
Both guys struggling in that category.
Kirk Cousins has not had a game
with three touchdown passes yet this season.
That is
the longest stretch of his career,
Jamie. He's never gone seven games without a three-touchdown pass.
Kevin O'Connell has ruined him.
Well, he is the new Matt Ryan.
He throws shorter than any quarterback in football.
Nothing downfield.
So, hey, is Kevin O'Connell ruining him?
Yeah, they're 6-1. How dare he?
They're paper tigers.
No, but I actually think it's interesting
that he's actually been pretty solid for fantasy,
and they have not unlocked the downfield aspect of the game.
Kirk Cousins is about QB 12 per game.
Yeah.
Isn't he like right around 20 points per game?
Let me check.
Maybe a little more.
Six point.
He is at 19.9.
Yep.
Yeah.
Could this be a game
where they do throw downfield
a little bit more
just because that commander's
pass defense is
nowhere near as good
as their run defense?
I hope so.
And my last favorite stat
for today.
In seven career games
against Arizona,
DK Metcalf has never had a 60-yard game
and he has just one
touchdown. And yet you guys
have him in the top 15. Come on!
DK
Metcalf.
Come on!
Alright, fine. We'll talk about it later.
This team's on a buy, man. Come on.
Come on! Alright.
Where should we have him? Should we have him behind Michael Pittman? Should we have him behind Romeo Dobbs? No on all right where should we have him should we have him behind
michael pitman should we have him behind romeo dobbs no how far down should we go well are you
ranking lazard no no he'll i think lazard should go over him yeah uh he should go behind tyler boyd
wherever tyler boyd is nice nice bold call boyd where prohibited alright we'll talk about DK Metcalf
in a little bit let's spend no more
than five minutes on
the bad Philadelphia Houston game last
night there was actually a great Philadelphia
Houston game last night with the
Astros winning game
five of the World Series those two defensive plays
at the end were fantastic
which ones oh the
catch at center.
First place in Chaz,
whatever his name is. McCormick, I think. Is that it?
McCormick, yeah, in center field.
He's a Philly kid, too. Yeah, that was a
tremendous catch.
All right, Philadelphia 29, Houston 17.
Guys,
I'm going to come up with a new term
here. Panic or purchase?
JK stole that from HQ.
On Devontae Smith, Jamie, buy low, sit.
What do you do on Devontae Smith now?
What do you have, 20 yards, 22 yards last night,
and that's 44 or fewer yards in four of his last five games.
I would buy low because you're probably getting dirt cheap.
There's still a lot to like about what his role is in this offense.
And, you know, I mean, imagine if something happens to A.J. Brown
or Dallas Goddard, and then you're looking at, you know,
just more targets headed his direction.
So, you know, just because you trade for him,
depending on what you give up,
you don't have to start him week in, week out.
I would like to hope that you can,
but he'll now fall from the number two receiver range
to the number three receiver range until he fights his way out of it,
especially with the teams, you know, the players coming back. But I would like to have him on my team if I can.
Okay, Dave, any takeaways on your end here?
I noticed that Dallas Gowdard
owned the fourth quarter.
It was the second time this year when Philadelphia
was in a close game, and I thought that this was a close game
until Goddard scored, that Hurts leaned on him. Remember the game against Arizona? He had a pretty
good second half there, and then he had a huge fourth quarter today or yesterday. What day is it?
I think Goddard, when we see a matchup coming where we think Philadelphia is going to have a
close game, he's a must start either way, but you can feel a lot better about him in those close games
because I think Hurts is going to lean on him there.
Damian Pierce or Miles Sanders rest of season.
It was odd that Pierce did not have any targets in this game.
He had been pretty involved in the passing game,
but Miles Sanders also did not have any catches in this game,
and he rarely, he's had two straight games without a catch.
Miles Sanders or Damian. That's not surprising. Yeah. have any catches in this game and he rarely he's had two straight games without a catch um miles sanders or damien surprising yeah but yeah in his first six games he had at least one catch he
in every game he had two or three catches in four games but anyway uh miles sanders or damien pierce
rest of season i give a slight lean to pierce but that's it's close you know i mean they're they're
you can you can give positives negatives negatives on each one. You know,
Pierce is going to continue to dominate work, but his, his offense is bad,
but he's clearly the focal point. Whereas Sanders,
his offense is going to score a lot more time,
put up a lot more opportunities to score.
So those scoring chances should be there for him. But you know,
what Jalen hurts does that.
I didn't like the fact that there was the last time he got them down to the,
I think it was the Goddard touchdown, where he got them down,
and then he came off the field, and Boston Scott was on there.
So I'll take Pierce, but it's close.
And remember, Gainwell scored a short yardage touchdown, too.
So he's not the exclusive running back in those situations.
Pierce was great, but if you played against him,
you're probably breathing a sigh of relief.
13.9 PPR fantasy points on a...
Is that what it was?
Sorry.
Yeah.
Well, he didn't have any catches,
and he had 139 rush yards.
Just want to make sure.
Just want to make sure 139.
Didn't throw any passes.
Yeah, so he was terrific.
But in IRL, in fantasy, he's probably going to be an RB2.
All right, I think that's it for that game, right?
We good?
I don't want to trust any Texans receivers.
Brandon Cook should be back next week.
Would you guys rather have Brandon Cooks or Nico Collins the rest of the season?
I don't want to trust any Texans receivers.
Probably still Cooks.
Okay.
I would hope that...
Okay, you're disgruntled.
You got mad.
They didn't trade you.
Fine.
Now it's over.
You can't do anything about it.
Go out and play.
Yeah, hope so.
Yeah.
Go out and get those 11 PPR points, Brandon.
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News and notes.
Ryan Tannehill didn't practice.
Probably, what do you think? Not going to play?
Want to find out today?
What do you say?
Yeah.
Good for the Chiefs, DST. Bad for the Titans.
Yeah. Okay. good for the Chiefs DST bad for the Titans yeah I okay is there a scenario
that you're moving Derrick Henry out of your top five
if he doesn't practice on Friday
yeah he's got
if he's sitting in street clothes next to Ryan Tannehill
having sunflower
seeds forget about it
okay
I mean the Forget about it. Okay. Tantra Hilliard week.
I mean, the thing about it, Adam,
is we could drop him to 20.
Who's benching Derrick Henry?
No, you don't drop him to 20.
The Chiefs DST is 90% rostered.
The people who care about where they finish in their rankings
care about where Derrick Henry's ranked.
You're starting Derrick Henry.
Yeah.
Chiefs DST is two rostered right now.
They're 90% rostered, but they'd obviously
get a boost if Tannehill's out.
Henry should be fine. He was limited with a foot
injury, but he said he's fine. We go to our
running back news. Jonathan Taylor mispracticed
again, so Deion
Jackson.
We talked about that yesterday. Let's do it one
more time here. What would your expectations be
for Deion Jackson at New England
if Taylor's out? Dave?
Number two fantasy
running back
because of volume.
Not because of talent.
Not because of target expectation.
He might catch two or three
passes. I don't think it'll be like
the last time he started when Matt Ryan
threw 57 times.
Yeah, he'll be a top 24 running back for me, but it's based on volume.
He'd be ahead.
Would he be ahead of the following backfields?
Chiefs, Bills, Jets?
Yes, yes, and yes.
Would he be ahead of Kenyon Drake if Gus Edwards were out?
I don't think so.
Jamie, how about you?
Drake or Deion Jackson?
Probably Drake.
Drake.
Drake, Drake.
Okay.
Deion Jackson was limited in practice.
We'll talk about that game later.
Cordaro Patterson practiced.
We still don't know if he is going to play.
James Conner was limited.
Cam Akers practiced in full.
All these situations
will be brought up
on today's show,
but not this one.
Chuba Hubbard was limited.
How are we feeling, Jamie,
about the Panthers'
backfield right now?
I think it's still
Deontay Foreman,
even if Hubbard plays
as the lead guy.
Heath gave the split, I think it was yesterday on this show,
where he said 60-40 rushing for Foreman and probably 50-50 or 60-40,
maybe he said 70-30 passing for Hubbard.
I think that might be where we see Hubbard have an opportunity,
but I would say the rushing is probably still 80-20 in favor of Foreman.
I can't imagine that they would take him out of those opportunities
for significant stretches based on what he's done.
I'm still very comfortable with Foreman as a
number two running back with Hubbard plays.
He's a borderline number one for me if Hubbard is up.
Damian Harris has missed two
practices with an illness this week.
I apologize. I didn't see an
update on JD McKissick. Did he return to practice
yesterday? He did not yesterday.
No.
Okay.
So he still has a neck injury.
Austin Eckler was limited with an abdomen injury.
Apparently just being cautious there.
Dallas running backs coach Skip Pete said that Tony Pollard should max out at 30 plays a week or he won't be as quick or as fast, basically.
I don't.
I'm fine.
30 plays is fine.
But can you make it 14, 15 carries?
Can we get that from?
It's not going to happen, I don't think.
No, one of my favorite things about our Sunday show
is we get Tom Spencer on our show with us,
and he's in the booth.
He's the research guy, the spotter for Jim Nance and Tony Romo.
And they had the Cowboys game.
I think it was week two or week three.
And I ask him a lot of the same questions
because he gets a lot of the same teams.
They get a lot of the same teams.
They get the Chiefs, they get the Steelers,
they get the Patriots, you know,
they get the top AFC teams that are the biggest draws.
But they had the Cowboys forget who they're playing.
And I said, you know, what's the deal with Pollard
and Zeke and just the split?
And he said almost exactly what the running backs coach said,
that they, this is at the time they were experimenting with power a little bit more
as a receiver.
And they said,
anytime he runs routes,
he's getting a little bit more gas each time.
And so not that he's not in shape,
but it's just the nature of you're running down the field.
And they want to make sure he's fresh.
So this kind of falls in line with,
I think everything that they've felt about him this entire season,
they don't want to overwork him.
It's certainly something to keep in mind for Dynasty.
If he stays with the Cowboys,
you just wonder if he'll ever be able to max out his potential.
Gus Edwards mispracticed.
Wide receiver news.
Rashad Bateman is out for the season with a foot injury.
Deshaun Jackson could play this week.
Meanwhile, in that same game, Michael Thomas is on IR, finally.
He has a dislocated toe.
He tried to rehab it.
He's not going to be able to.
He needs surgery, and he's likely out for the season.
So you can certainly drop Rashad Bateman.
You can probably drop Michael Thomas.
Probably.
Yeah, I mean, he's not 100%.
Unless it's a dynasty league or a keeper league,
why would you keep Michael Thomas?
Well, just because he's not 100% out for the season,
but he's probably almost.
Pretty sure he's out for the season.
Drop Michael Thomas.
Sorry.
Jarvis Landry, though. Any interest. Sorry. Jarvis Landry, though.
Any interest in picking up Jarvis Landry, guys?
If you want to wait and see what happens, you can.
If you have a deep enough bench.
Clearly, there's an opportunity there.
They didn't go make a move to get a receiver.
So either they're really comfortable with what they have.
Knowing that Thomas...
I mean, this has been a lingering situation for weeks, and I guess
they're just hoping that maybe he would get better, but it didn't.
And so, can Landry
give you a couple of weeks of
good performances? Yes.
When will you be comfortable starting him? Probably never.
So it's just a matter of who you're comparing him to.
Okay, he's 26%
rostered. He does have the Steelers
next week, which on paper is a pretty good matchup.
If he plays.
Well, yeah, he's limited this week.
He was limited in yesterday's practice,
so I'll give him a decent chance to at least play next week.
But all right, that's Jarvis Landry.
What else we got at wide receiver?
Cooper Cup was limited.
Matthew Stafford apologized for not targeting Van Jefferson at all last week.
Alan Lazard was limited.
Christian Watson's making some progress.
Corey Davis unlikely to play. Ke Corey Davis, unlikely to play.
Keenan Allen seems unlikely to play.
Devontae Parker seems unlikely to play.
And that's the major stuff there.
Russell Gage doesn't seem like he's going to play
as of right now.
Tight end, Mark Andrews mispracticed.
Remember, they have the Monday game,
so they've only had one practice this week,
and Mark Andrews missed it.
Cameron Brait limited.
Darren Waller limited.
Donald Parham
missed practice with a hamstring injury.
Just another boost for Gerald Everett
if Parham doesn't play.
Are there offensive lines that are particularly
beat up? I'm looking at the Colts,
the Cardinals, and the Bucs.
I don't know if I'm missing anything.
Patriots without Andrews, but that doesn't really matter.
Okay.
It looks like the Colts might have two guys out this week.
Maybe.
Oh, now that offensive line's really ruined.
Well, you know, Deion Jackson could use the help.
Yeah, but that offensive line's been a problem all year.
It has.
Even when they were with their best guys.
Okay.
Let's beat the waiver wire.
We got four teams on by next week.
They are the Ravens, Bengals, Patriots, and Jets.
So, I mean, I mentioned Jarvis Landry.
Not a lot of excitement for that one.
How about Odell Beckham?
You guys have any enthusiasm on adding Odell Beckham?ham i mean we still don't know where he's going so it's so hard to determine if he's
going to end up in let's say buffalo where there's just so many mouths to feed there if he goes to
the giants and and you trust him with daniel jones is he going back to the rams you know and and how
long will it take him to get up to speed from a health standpoint there's just so many variables
at this point so if you have again similar to Landry if you have a deep enough bench and you want to carry somebody that's not going to
cost you anything sure um but in a five-man bench no way okay and maybe you feel the same way about
Deshaun Watson he's still weeks away week 13 but if you want to stash him it's time to at least
start thinking about it uh I did it in one league, and I had my homes,
but there was nobody on the waiver wire,
so let me take away something that can help somebody else.
You can always pick them up, and if somebody better comes along,
you drop them for somebody else.
Some quarterbacks who have good matchups next week.
Russell Wilson's at Tennessee.
By the way, Dave helped me out with this list quite a bit.
In fact, he basically did the whole thing, except for Beckham.
Russell Wilson at Tennessee.
Trevor Lawrence, if he's available, at Kansas City.
How about Dalton at Pittsburgh?
It's not terrible.
I mean, all three of those quarterbacks.
Dalton?
All three of those quarterbacks could be problematic. It's almost like in the case of Lawrence and Dalton. All three of those quarterbacks could be problematic.
It's almost like in the case of Lawrence and Dalton,
you want to see what they do this week and kind of stash them for a week.
And if you're comfortable with what you see,
then you can use them as a bi-week replacement or as a streaming option.
And with Rush, you're not going to have that advantage.
He's not playing this week,
but if you liked how he played in the second half last week,
yeah, maybe a bi-week replacement. He got a good match well the whole point of this
my favorite one might be mariota just saw him against the panthers and they get some thursday
night again okay that's not bad uh daniel jones also gets houston next week yeah dalton is by far
the most available of that group uh running back you know there's not usually a lot of running
backs on waivers there are are some handcuffs, but
Darnell Mooney is still available in some leagues.
Michael Gallup is
coming off a game where he should have had a touchdown.
He was wide open. He's 64%
rostered. You got guys like
MVS.
What's Devin Duvernay's?
No, he's 79%
rostered. Never heard of that. You might find him
in 10-team leagues, but he's on
bye in Week 10. Oh, that's right.
There are some
running backs, though. You could pick up Cam Akers
and see what happens if he gets back in the good races
of his coaching staff. You could pick up
basically two of the three Broncos
running backs if you just want to speculate to see if it's Murray
or Edmonds. Those guys are available under
50% of leagues.
Good call.
Darren Warren. See what happens there.
How about Naeem
Hines? No, not Hines. Zach
Moss, 6% rostered?
Could do that.
What's the best
case scenario for him?
I don't know. I mean, is it
completely unrealistic that they just like him better than Deion Jackson? I don't think. I mean, is it completely unrealistic that they just like him better than
Deion Jackson? I don't think they will, but
would it shock you?
I'm going to go, oh!
Should have picked up Matt Moss. It would shock me if it happened
this week. Right.
By the way,
just in case, not for next week,
but for this week, just in case, maybe
pick up Sonny Michel with Eckler
on the injury report.
Could do that.
Who were the receivers you said?
I said MVS.
I said Darnell Mooney.
I said Michael Gallup.
Mooney and Gallup are 64% rostered.
Maybe Wandale Robinson or Darius Slayton.
There's two.
One, to me, is the easy choice.
It's Donovan Peoples-Jones.
He's been playing very well, and they're coming off their bye.
At my end.
And then Terrace Marshall, if he continues to get targets like this,
is not a bad option for deeper leagues.
He's only 19% rostered.
And he has Atlanta next week, right?
Yep.
And Cincinnati this week without their best cornerback.
Yeah.
Raise your hand if you're starting Terrace Marshall in a league this week.
I am too.
Oh, cool.
All right.
I wish I were playing you in that.
I'm going to be curious to see at the end of the season who wins the crappiest trade that Dan and I made in our Dynasty League,
where I gave him Terrace Marshall and Kenny Galladay.
And he gave me Melvin Gordon,
a fourth round pick,
which will end up being the last pick in the third round because he's the
worst team in the league.
And a third round pick in the rookie draft at the time,
which ended up being Hassan Haskins.
So we'll see who ends up winning that crappy.
Wow.
Oh gosh.
Give me the inside.
Hey,
just,
just to put it out there in the past two weeks,
Terrace Marshall's had a 21% target share.
He's had two red zone targets.
He's had three end zone targets.
So I think P.J. Walker, we know he loves throwing to D.J. Moore,
but he's been throwing a little bit to Marshall, too.
I'm happy to stash him in a bunch of leagues.
I've got one question for each game.
Let's start with Seattle at Arizona.
Start or sit the Seahawks passing game, Jamie?
Start the Seahawks passing game, Adam.
How confident are you guys?
If you want a potential sleeper,
keep an eye on the tight end situation there for the Seahawks
because Noah Fant, who's been outperforming Will Disley,
is dealing with a hamstring injury,
and we know what tight ends do against the Cardinals.
So if Fant is out, Disley might get a bump in targets
and has a chance to score.
All right.
Just confidence-o-meter, 0-10 for Geno Smith.
With six teams on a bye, I would say Geno Smith is a 7.
Okay.
Here's the thing about the six teams being on a buy, though.
Who are the quarterbacks?
Brissette, Wilson,
Daniel Jones, Kenny Pickett,
Garoppolo, and Dak Prescott.
So it's really only Dak is one that you'd be
starting ahead of Geno. Maybe Garoppolo.
Maybe.
Alright, question for Green Bay
at Detroit. How do you approach
the Green Bay wide receivers, Dave?
You're starting Lazard.
Dobbs is probably more of a low-end number three receiver
or a bi-week replacement receiver.
And we're done here.
Okay, what if Lazard's out?
Dobbs moves up into a high-end number three receiver,
and we're done here.
That's it? Just a high-end number three receiver, and we're done here. That's it?
Just a high-end number three receiver? Jamie, would you be more
optimistic on Dobbs if Lazard were out?
Well, there's six teams on a bot.
I think when you look at what your
receiving core is, he's
in that Christian Kirk, Michael
Pittman, Rondell Moore,
slightly behind
Josh Palmer, but in that same range. You know, guys
that there's certainly a path to production.
There's a definite path to targets.
But will there be a concrete, he's going to deliver a big game?
No.
So he's borderline number two, number three.
Half of it is that he played well in the last three quarters last week.
Half of it is he's playing Detroit.
Yeah.
All right.
The Rams at the Buc. Starter sit Tom Brady.
I would sit Tom Brady if you can.
I like him. He's a low-end starter for me. Would take him over Geno Smith, for example.
He's moving the ball well enough to have more than one game this year
with multiple touchdowns.
We haven't seen it.
It's been close.
It's been really close.
Rams run defense is tough.
Pass defense, a little worse.
I think Brady can come through with two scores.
And they're throwing some.
I think they're the pass-heaviest team in the league.
I can't help it.
I still think he's got 300-yard, two-touchdown upside.
Since week one, the Rams have allowed 11.5 fantasy points per game
to post quarterbacks.
Right, but who have those quarterbacks been?
Guys that are on par with Tom Brady's production
from a fantasy perspective.
Is that even true?
Yes.
I'll tell you.
Josh Allen in week one, Mariota, Kyler Murray had a terrible game.
Garoppolo, Cooper Rush, Carolina
quarterbacks, and then Garoppolo again.
Garoppolo scored 21 fantasy points in the second
game, and McCaffrey threw a touchdown.
But, you know,
it's been Garoppolo twice. Kyler Murray, I would say,
is the only
great quarterback that they
did well against.
So Garoppolo is averaging
18 fantasy points per game.
Brady's at 17.1.
Kyler definitely has more
fantasy points per game.
And Mariota was one of those quarterbacks. He's at 17.9.
So yeah, I guess
you're right. But you're not starting Brady
based on what he's done. You're starting
Brady based on what he
could be. What he can do.
I think he's in the same...
You want to start him over Geno, I can't fight you on that.
I would start Geno.
I like Trevor Lawrence better this week than Brady,
but they're all in the same range.
I've seen a lot of...
Because I have Fields as the start of the week,
there's no way I'm benching Brady for Fields.
That's fine.
If you want to play the...
This is the week that Brady breaks out.
He played this team eight months ago in the playoffs.
You know, things are certainly different for everything factoring in.
No Godwin in that game.
Offensive line significantly worse.
You know, so there are both sides of the equation here that are positive
and negative for Brady.
He had 15 fantasy points in that game despite throwing for 329 yards.
You know, so I think the yards will be there.
If he gets to two touchdowns, which will be the yards will be there if he gets to two touchdowns,
which will be the second time this season
that he has a multiple touchdown game.
He'll probably cross the 20-point threshold.
I'm going to take the under
just based on what I've seen,
what this defense has allowed.
So I can't imagine he feels pretty good
knowing that the interior of that offensive line
is such a disaster
and 99 is coming right at his face.
You know, so...
He's going to run a lot.
He's going to get out of the pocket.
That's true.
Miami hits Chicago.
Do you trust any running backs in this game?
We'll go faster here, guys.
Do you trust any running backs in the Miami-Chicago game?
Yeah, Raheem Mostert.
Raheem Mostert has two games this year
with more than 11 PPR fantasy points.
It's kind of sneaky production.
Yeah, but in terms of do I expect him to have a huge game?
I don't know if you can say that.
Do I trust him enough that I'm starting him this week,
given the matchup and the workload that he's had?
Yes.
So in terms of trust, I will play him.
I don't necessarily think it's a slam dunk, though,
because of exactly what you said.
I like Wilson.
Yeah.
I think Wilson matters a little bit bit i love the matchup bears are the second worst run defense in yards per game
allowed on the ground this season and they just lost roquan smith so i think there's huge opportunity
here for the dolphins to actually run the ball effectively and take some pressure off of tua i
know we don't want to hear that because we're starting Tua. That's another quarterback that's an easy start over Brady and over Geno,
but I think there's still potential there. He should see at least 65% of the snaps and
maybe even more of the touches. I kind of like Montgomery as a low-end number two running back
just because he's been getting the high value touches in this offense
over the majority of the season.
All right, Minnesota's at Washington.
Are you feeling it?
And feeling or Antonio Gibson?
Same question for the Vikings every year.
Feeling's in that same group of Romeo Dobbs receivers.
So, high-end number three, low-end number two receiver.
Probably needs a score to be successful.
I don't like the fact that he was limping around so much last week.
I know he's not an injury report,
but it just seemed like he was getting beat up and we've seen what that's
like for him.
So now they have another mouth to feed in the offense.
That's a little bit better than the other tight ends that they had.
Who knows if Osborne starts to take a little bit more work away.
So I, again, I think it just comes down to who you have every week.
It's going to be the same thing with Adam Thielen.
He's not a slam dunk receiver in two receiver leagues he's a pretty
good option in three receiver leagues and hopefully this is one of those weeks where you find the end
okay how about uh what's our next and over gibson uh if there's no jd mckissick i'd rather have Adam Thielen or
Christian Kirk.
Kirk's against who again?
Who's Kirk playing?
Damn it.
I did not prepare for this.
I did not pick a game of the week.
So I'm just going to.
The Raiders and the Jaguars.
A last minute game of the week.
And Dave's getting good at this.
Finally.
The Raiders and the Jaguars.
Yeah.
All right.
Sorry.
You did get our producer, Zach Brook, though.
He was in our private chat on StreamYard.
He wrote in all caps,
THE RAIDER.
Legitimately thinking that you did not know
who Chris Schumacher was.
Way to go, buddy.
All right, Baltimore at New Orleans.
How much do you like the replacements in this game?
Dalton, likely, and the Baltimore wide receivers?
I think Duvernay is worth using as a number three receiver.
You know, just with the hope that there's a slight bump in targets and, you know, beat the waiver. Our guys, DeMarcus
Robinson, you know, based on what we did last week, you know, if they're going to throw the
ball, like they did, um, eight targets and they're desperate right now. So you're not going to get a
huge gain from him, but you know, 14 team leading three receivers starts. That's not a bad guy to
just see what happens. But that's like the only type of format that I would pick up to Marcus
Robinson in.
Cause we've been fooled you'd by him a lot.
Hopefully you've already picked up Isaiah.
Likely no guarantee.
He's going to be the guy because if Mark Andrews plays,
he's,
I would think that they would put them on the field more without Bateman
there.
He's,
he's a good receiver.
So maybe they use them a little bit more,
even if Andrews plays,
but the doors kicked down
for him to be a top 10, if not top five tight end. If there is no Andrews, Andrews hasn't practiced
yet this week. You should pick them up now in anticipation that Andrews does not play.
Okay. We'll take a break. When we come back, we'll start with Seattle at Arizona. We'll be
right back on fantasy football today. All right. Our first game is a rematch of a Week 6 matchup
that was not so great for Fantasy.
Seattle at Arizona.
And I already told you DK Metcalf's got this bad history
against the Cardinals.
And, you know, got this whole thing of the Cardinals
taking away the deep ball.
And Geno Smith, you know, that's his strength.
He's one of the best downfield throwers in football this year.
It's basically him and Josh Allen. So is it a good matchup for Seattle?
Well, it certainly wasn't in week six. So with all that said, Jamie,
you know, your confidence level, you said, you know,
pretty confident in Gino Smith and you're starting Metcalf and lock it.
And you want to just put an exclamation point on it.
I'm going to trust Vegas in this one.
You know, the overrunners, I think the last time I checked was 50.
You know, so they're expecting this to be a lot higher scoring than the 19-9 game this was earlier in the season.
I think the hope would be is that the Cardinals offense shows up
and, you know, gets this game into the 20s on their side of the ledger.
So the Seahawks have to counterpunch.
So I think based on what Gino has shown this season,
that he's run at times, he's certainly thrown with success at times,
that in this type of scenario where it could be a little bit more up and down,
back and forth, that'll get in the neighborhood of 20 fantasy points.
Is he going to be in the 25-plus point range?
I don't expect that to happen, but I would love to see it.
So I think Gino's an okay starter. I just don't think he is a top five starter this week all right so
ken walker's a must start deandre hopkins is a must start and
rondo more let's talk well how about yeah okay are you worried about kyler murray because
the seahawks defense has been just like freaking great lately and i see the way you rank him it
doesn't seem like you're worried about kyler murray but dave are you worried about kyler murray
not worried about kyler murray i think that he's he's a much i don't want to say he's a better
quarterback now than a few weeks ago but he certainly feels a lot cooler when he throws.
I think he feels more comfortable now with Hopkins back.
That's what I've been seeing over the past couple of games.
And I don't blame him for it.
He's got a stud receiver playing on the outside, and he's targeting him like crazy.
I'm starting Kyler Murray.
I'm okay with Rondell Moore and PPR as a high-end flex.
Put him in that range that Jamie was talking about.
Would have a tough time starting him over like Gabe Davis or Tyler Boyd,
but I like him better than Dobbs.
I like him better than Mooney Robinson, those types of guys.
I'd start them over Garrett Wilson.
You're talking about Rondell Moore, right?
I'm talking about Rondell Moore.
You're kind of hoping that he has a big play,
like a catch and run like he did last week. Maybe a couple
of those, but I can't ignore eight targets
in three of the past four games.
You want to catch and run from him? Well, the Seahawks
allow the most yards after catch
per catch in the NFL, the most yak
per catch in the NFL, and the
fifth most yards per catch to
slot receivers.
Rondell Moore's already faced them. He had six catches
for 49 yards on 10 targets. But overall, they allow the third fewest fantasy points to wide receivers. Ron Emmer has already faced them. He had six catches for 49 yards on 10 targets.
But overall, they allow the third fewest fantasy points
to wide receivers.
So I don't want to go too deep into this game here.
Just going back to Kyler,
he had one of the weirdest stat lines in this game
because remember, he ran for 100 yards.
And so if you'd say any quarterback's going to run
for 100 yards, you're expecting 20 plus points,
maybe close to 30 points.
He just didn't score.
And so 222 passing yards and an interception,
I think it's the game that Marquise Brown got hurt,
if I'm not mistaken, too.
So, you know, hope, and it was late in the game, I know that,
but still, you know, I think you're hoping that
if he's north of 60 yards rushing,
which that was the only time he's ever done that,
but if clearly we've seen that from Seattle,
they give up rushing, to quarterbacks.
If he can do that again, you know,
use his legs to that level and, and throw for close to two 50,
he'll have a, he'll have a pretty decent day.
Okay.
And then Zach, well, we'll come.
Last thing we'll do is the running backs for Arizona,
but starter sit Zach Ertz,
who has nine targets in two games with DeAndre Hopkins.
I'm reluctant, but what choice do you have?
You have to be loaded at tight end to roll with Zach Ertz.
They stink against tight ends too, and he destroys them.
Seven catches, 70 yards, three games ago.
Again, no Hopkins, 10 targets.
I've seen it now.
I've saw it last year and I'm seeing it this year.
That urge just isn't as involved and it makes me nervous. And the touchdown last week felt a little fluky.
His last four games again.
Yeah.
Well, this, this is fun.
12 for 91, a touchdown.
That was a Philly.
And then these three with the Seahawks,
eight for 88 and two touchdowns, seven for 84, seven for 70. And then these three with the Seahawks. Eight for 88 and two touchdowns.
Seven for 84, seven for 70.
My goodness.
And they're batting against the position.
They just gave up 58 yards to Tanner Hudson.
You probably don't know who Tanner Hudson is.
I get what Dave's saying.
He's 100% right.
There's reason to be concerned,
especially Marquise Brown's coming back.
What are you going to do?
Right.
But if I have Zach Ertz,
there's no way I'm getting away from him this week.
And he's a good DFS player too. If Isaiah Likely, if you on sunday that isaiah likely was going to start mark andrews were out
would you start likely or earths i'd probably still start earths just because how bad seattle
yeah okay i think i agree i think i agree uh jamie already mentioned the seattle the yeah
seattle tight ends is sleepers um becauseers because Arizona is also terrible against tight ends.
And how about the Arizona running backs, guys?
James Conner, question.
Do you have any interest in starting a Seattle running back
or an Arizona running back?
I mean, Eno's a borderline number two running back
just because of the volume that he'll get. And hopefully, you know, we, we get a little bit more clarity.
If Connor does come back, what the split looks like, if Connor does come back and those reasons
I say that is because long-term, but if Connor does come back, it would be hands-off, you know,
Connor would be the preferred choice, but more of a flex play because I think they'll still split
touches. Um, the fact that Daryl Williams is out,
I think would be encouraging for,
you know,
Benjamin,
because the last time we saw Benjamin in this setup where he was the
featured guy,
it was him and Keonta Ingram.
Granted,
they ran the ball with a lot of success against the saints.
I don't think that'll be the same thing this week,
but volume does matter in a week where there are six teams on a buy.
So Benjamin by default with no Connor will be in the starting
conversation.
I assume you'd start Dion Jackson.
If Taylor were out over.
Yes.
All right.
Okay.
And that's the end of that chapter.
Let's go to Green Bay at Detroit.
Stat of the game.
Alan Lazard has had seven to nine targets in four.
You got that reference, Dave?
Yes, of course.
Okay.
Seven to nine targets in four straight games
for Alan Lazard.
Okay. So what is that? How straight games for Alan Lazard. Okay.
So what is that?
How does that measure up against the Lions?
There have been eight wide receivers with seven to nine targets against the Lions.
Seven of them had 70 yards or a touchdown.
Noah Brown is the only one who did that.
Six of those eight have scored 15 or more PPR fantasy points.
So I don't think I have to tell you to start Lazard.
But if he's out and Dobbs gets seven to nine targets
or seven or more targets, which could easily happen,
that is usually a home run against the Detroit Lions.
So Dave, as I throw that stat at you,
you were kind of tepid on Romeo Dobbs,
even with Lazard out, right?
So what'd you think about that, Jack?
I called him a high-end number three receiver.
He's a top 30 receiver,
as I rank him right now, with Lazard out.
So I think that's still pretty good for Romeo Dobbs.
I'm not going to throw him into my top 20
or anything like that.
Can you tell me some of the guys you have ahead of him?
Can you tell me some of the guys you have ahead of him?
Sure.
We already mentioned Rondell Moore,
Christian Kirk's ahead of him, Tyler Boyd, Josh Palmer, Jacoby Myers, um, Deandre Hopkins, Cooper cup.
No, I mean, it might be beneficial for me to tell you if there is no Lazard, I'm starting
Dobbs easily over Darnell Mooney over Garrett Wilson over MVS over Alec Pierce, Curtis Samuel, Claypool.
He's ahead of those guys.
I'm taking the chance on him because of the matchup.
Your stat is awesome.
It's totally legit, and it's just further evidence that Detroit,
A, is having a hard time getting pressure on the quarterback,
and B, having a hard time defending wide receivers.
So as long as Dobbs can hold on to the football,
run the proper route, be on the same page as Aaron Rodgers,
he should be a good fantasy receiver.
He should have a very good game.
I just don't know if that's going to be the case
because he's made a bunch of mistakes this year.
Yeah, Detroit actually has a star in their secondary,
Jeff Okuda, and he has not given up a touchdown this year.
And he actually had good numbers last week
when they got shredded by the Dolphins.
But without Lazard last week,
Romeo Dobbs played about half his snaps in the slot,
which is exciting.
I mean, that's a good place to be
for an Aaron Rodgers wide receiver.
That's where Lazard is a lot.
All right, Jamie, how do you feel about Aaron Rodgers this week?
He has been between 19.8 and 20.9 fantasy points in six of eight games.
It's pretty remarkable.
Can he get more than that?
Will he get more than that against the Lions?
We give up the third most points to quarterbacks.
I think he will.
You know, I would start him over Brady.
I would start him over Gino.
I have him slightly behind fields, one spot behind fields,
because I think he's a little bit more upside of the field.
But this is the first time in a long time I have Rodgers in the top 10.
His history against Detroit, as you would probably expect,
is just absolutely ridiculous.
So hopefully that matters here.
I think this is kind of a get-right game for him.
You know, we keep talking about buy low on Brady.
This is not a bad guy to potentially buy low on from the expectations of,
will he be a top-five quarterback?
Maybe not, but can he start to get back into the top 10 consistently? I think
there's a chance if Lazard is healthy and somebody else steps up to help him. I like Robert Tunyon
this week a lot too. I think there's a good opportunity for him to play well. So just for
fun, Rodgers has played 24 games against Detroit. Can you guess his stats?
In what regard? Like average or?
His total yards,
total touchdowns,
total interceptions.
And so basically
a season and a half.
I'm just going to do
touchdowns and interceptions.
You said 18?
24 games.
Oh, 24.
I'm sorry.
24 games.
I'm going to guess
62 touchdowns,
three interceptions.
62 and three? Uh interceptions. 62 and
three? Dave, what about you?
I
will say
55 touchdowns and
six interceptions. It's
52 and eight interceptions.
And that, he sucks.
That's going to include some games where
it was like week 17 slash
18, like the last game of the season.
Well, there was one of those, I think, last year.
Yeah, where it's just a throwaway.
He's barely playing.
Why are you so high on Tunyon?
Is it because you're not ranking Al on Lazard?
Is that going to change if Lazard plays?
I might drop him down a couple of spots,
but I think Tunyon is a guy that can have some success in this matchup.
He's scored in three straight games against Detroitroit it's over a two-year period but
um you know i i think that matters you know when you're talking about how history plays itself out
was certainly with this quarterback and so you're looking for what you know who we're going to
continue to say this until you know we're probably still probably stupid for saying it but guys that
he trusts and you know robert tony is still a guy they trust. He should have a touchdown last week.
He had a silly push off penalty.
That probably didn't matter.
Um,
you know,
I,
I just looking at the tight end landscape right now,
I'll take Robert Tanya against the lions over Kyle pits.
Yes.
Over,
um,
Isaiah likely if Andrews is out.
No,
no.
Okay.
You're taking Tyon over Pitts?
Yes.
Dave?
I would rather have Pitts.
Okay.
Green Bay running backs, of course, start Aaron Jones,
but the Lions have played seven games.
In four of them, they've allowed a second running back
to score 11 or more PPR fantasy points,
which would be the second best game of the year for AJ Dylan.
If he could get there.
Um,
I originally had a lineup with Dylan in it.
I picked up Dion Jackson.
I plan to start Jackson over Dylan,
but where do you guys have Dylan ranked in your top 30 this week?
Dave,
just real quick on this.
I've got Dylan at 36.
Ah,
he's in my top 20 this week.
Whoa.
Okay.
Not so quick on this. Then we got to talk about this. He's in my top 20 this week. Not so quick on this then.
We got to talk about this.
He's going to score this week.
Are you sure?
Yes.
He has two games in his last four with six or fewer carries.
They've just gone
to Aaron Jones.
Let's see how many snaps he's played
inside the 10 over his last
four games.
They don't get inside the 10.
They have almost no goal line carries.
You can't even make statements about this.
Like, oh, he's been on the field,
and when they're inside the five,
they just don't get there.
It's kind of annoying.
All right, so Dave's not in on Dylan.
Jamie likes him as a number two running back this week.
That's the Packers.
Any interest in Jared Goff this week?
Not really.
Okay.
Goff or Dalton?
Dalton.
Goff or Mariota?
Mariota.
But you have Goff ahead of, right now,
you're going to keep this Goff ahead of Derek Carr and Matthew Stafford?
Correct.
All right.
To the Lions running backs.
Jamie, I'll give you the first word on the Lions running backs.
What are we doing here with Swift and Williams?
The Packers are allowing 5.15 yards per carry to running backs.
Barf.
And then you got to trust what the Lions are telling us.
You know that Jamal Williams is the guy they feel more comfortable with right now.
The fact that Dan Campbell, as you alluded to yesterday,
saying that we gave DeAndre Swift one too many carries in five was the number.
So if they're going to go back and just continue to make Jamal Williams
the featured guy in a game against his former team,
he didn't fare well in this matchup last year facing his former team,
but he's doing a much better job.
He's certainly their preferred goal line option.
He's second in the NFL in rushing touchdowns behind Nick Chubb.
So he has a chance to score.
I think you got to pencil it on a weekly basis and see how that goes.
And, you know, working the passing game is probably a little bit in favor of DeAndre
Swift, but probably not so far off that you can't expect a couple of catches from Jamal
Williams, especially now with TJ Hawkinson gone and their preferred replacement, Brock
Wright, dealing with a concussion.
So, you know, Jamal Williams, I think is the better of the two.
He's a, you know, borderline top 15 running back this week.
Agreed.
And it's an 11 to two touch advantage for, for Williams over Swift inside the 10 in the
four games that they've played together.
As for the Packers inside the 10, you were right at Adam. Since week five, eight snaps.
Dylan leads with five of the eight,
and they all came against the Giants on October 9th.
So he's at zero safe backhand. In America, he doesn't get any of those carries
because that was in London.
Aha, great.
Super funny joke.
I'm going to put that one in the in the bank
there all right jamal williams or dionte foreman if hubbard doesn't play and if hubbard does play
jamal williams or dionte foreman i'll take foreman either way yeah jamal williams or
you know or uh sorry antonio gibson will. Williams over both of those guys.
Williams over Benjamin is close with Gibson.
Jamal Williams or Joe Mixon?
Mixon.
I'll go Gibson PPR with Jamal.
If Swift plays.
All right, you said Mixon.
And I just want to let you know.
It's probably if McKissick's out too, right?
Yes.
Jamal Williams is not the third down back,
whether Swift's in there or not.
They'll either use Craig Reynolds or they'll use DeAndre Swift.
Good point.
They don't use Jamal Williams.
Doesn't mean he can't catch the ball.
It's just he's probably not going to do it on third down.
Last one.
Jamal Williams or DK Metcalf?
Jamal.
Williams for Jamie, Metcalf for Dave Dave Jamal Williams or Tyler Lockett
same Lockett
Jamal Williams
all right
start Amandra St. Brown
any interest in Josh Reynolds
48% roster
two straight games
with 14 or fewer yards and no touchdowns
bam
Josh Reynolds
doesn't have a back issue eight games with 14 or fewer yards and no touchdowns. Bam. Josh Reynolds.
Doesn't he have a back issue?
He's got a knee,
a back.
I mean, this is the,
the guy in the operation board at this point.
So it's just been so frustrating to watch how everything's unfolded for this
guy,
but there's no Hawkins.
Sorry.
He starts to play a little bit better,
but my gosh,
man,
stay healthy.
All right. So don't start. I have to start him in a league too.
Great, great week.
Terrace Marshall, go get Terrace Marshall.
You wouldn't even believe some of the...
Let me check my magazine league wide receivers
and you all can have a nice chuckle.
I have Jamar Chase and I think Michael Thomas in this league.
So right now, three receiver PPR league.
I am starting Chris Godwin, Josh Reynolds, right now three receiver PPR league. I am starting
Chris Godwin, Josh Reynolds, Robert Woods, and Terrace Marshall. So congratulations to the other
team who's going to win. Um, just the league. So I play this week, uh, sit there, the Detroit
tight ends. All right. Green Bay's DST is in play. They've been awful, but, uh, you know,
I don't know what they try not to start them. If you can 55%. Oh, awful. But, you know, I don't know. Try not
to start them if you can. 55%.
Oh, nice. I play you in that league.
Your team is Medulin
Oblongata? Yeah, it's for
Austin Doolin.
You're probably the only person in America
that named their team after me.
I can change the name. I'm going to rename my team
after
someone who's currently on my team.
Reynolds Rapp will be my team
name. Because your season's a wrap?
Yes. I'm 5-3, so
hopefully I can hold out until
Jamar Chase gets back. Promo time!
We'll be right back on Fantasy Football today. We have four
games left. When we come back, we'll be
talking Rams and Bucs after
this. Rams and Bucs.
Tampa Bay Secondary getting a lot healthier.
That's a pretty big storyline here.
A lot healthier going into this game.
And I already told you earlier that Stafford and Brady are 27th and 29th
respectively in touchdown rate this year.
Last year,
they were both top six.
So they have been terrible throwing the ball.
I mean,
have they been terrible or unlucky?
I don't know,
but in the end zone,
just terrible numbers.
And, uh, Stafford is not even a consideration for you guys this week. Brady is kind of a borderline start. We'll just do some Tom Brady ors right now, even if we've already done them.
Please bear with me. Tom Brady or Joe Burrow? Burrow. I have Brady a spot higher. Tom Brady
or Aaron Rodgers? Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers. Tom Brady or Trevor Lawrence?
Lawrence.
Brady.
Tom Brady or Derek Carr?
Brady.
Brady.
Okay.
Any hesitation on Leonard Fournette?
Zero.
It's almost the same thing as Zach Ertz.
You know that he isn't so great.
He has been great lately,
but realistically, who are you starting over him?
Right.
Would you start Jamal Williams?
No.
You could consider that.
Maybe in non-PPR, I think that works.
I think Deontay Foreman should start ahead of Fournette.
There are... Oh, wow. I would not do that in PPR, I think that works. I think Deontay Foreman should start ahead of Fournette. There are...
Oh, wow.
I would not do that in PPR.
No.
You would do that in PPR, Dave?
I think I would.
Just because I feel like Fournette,
he's got to get those catches,
and he's got to score.
You mean for him to be better than Foreman?
For him to be good for fantasy.
Yes. There are three
teams that do not have a carry
of 20 or more yards
this year. One of them is the Bucs.
The other two are on
Rams. One of them? No, they have one.
And it's probably from
a wide receiver. I think it was
from Cup.
The other two teams are on by.
They don't have a 20-yard carry this year.
Any guesses?
Shouldn't take too long.
Denver?
Correct.
Correct.
And Pittsburgh.
Steelers.
Pittsburgh, yep.
All right, so start for a net.
Start Mike Evans.
Start Chris Godwin.
Would you start Godwin.
Would you start Godwin over the Seattle wide receivers?
Yes.
Yes.
I'm assuming you're going to avoid Julio Jones and Cameron Brait.
Yes.
Yes. Julio is in the Terrace Marshall hope for big play type situation.
This game is probably pretty easy.
You're going to sit the Rams running backs, I assume?
No, I'm so excited about them.
If you had to pick one.
Would you start the Rams running backs
if you could get points for all of them?
No, probably not.
If you had to pick one, who would it be?
Still Henderson.
I'd like to see Akers play and just go out there and say,
big middle fingers to the sky and say,
you should have been playing me all along,
and this is what you're going to get the rest of the season,
but that's not realistic.
All right, and how about Cooper Cup is a start.
How about Allen Robinson?
He's 79% rostered.
I think guys have him around 30th or so.
Yeah.
This is where I would bring up the fact that there are six teams on by and
you're,
you might be hurting at wide receiver.
There's a lot of injured wide receivers.
Robinson is 30th for me in full PPR.
And 37th for Jamie.
Would you start Romeo Dobbs?
If Lazard plays or Alan Robinson,
I might go Robinson. for Jamie. Would you start Romeo Dobbs if Lazard plays or Allen Robinson?
Dobbs.
I might go Robinson.
He's got a good two-game stretch.
He is, and he's got an end zone target. Ten points. It's very impressive.
Secondary is beat up, too.
No, it's not, though. They're getting pretty healthy. Carlton Davis
back. Sean Murphy Bunting, I think, is going to be back.
Antoine Winfield progressing through the concussion protocol.
I mean,
they're going to,
they're going to be a lot of the,
but no Shaq Barrett.
We haven't talked about that.
This is going to be their first game in forever without Shaq Barrett.
Well,
now that offensive line is great for the Rams.
No,
but Robinson,
like Robinson end zone target every game and Stafford just so bad throwing
into the end zone.
So if you're sitting there and you're desperate,
Robinson has a, probably a better chance to score
than a lot of other wide receivers.
Here's a good one.
How about MVS or Robinson?
MVS.
I'll take Robinson.
How do you feel about Tyler Higbee?
He has run a combined 35 routes in his last two games.
And for context, he ran 37 and 47 routes
in the previous two games individually. So his routes are down the last two weeks. And for context, he ran 37 and 47 routes in the previous two games individually.
So his routes are down the last two weeks.
I don't know why.
He's blocking.
It can't be that.
It's not like this is the first time
they've had a bad offensive line.
I don't know what's going on.
It's worth looking into,
but didn't he miss a bunch of snaps last week?
Not really.
I don't think he missed that many.
Okay.
He missed a handful.
I mean, that could be part of it, but he only ran 15
routes. That's super low. Season low
by far. Well, anyway,
starters hit Tyler Higby against a team
that gives up the 10th most points
to tight ends. You're still starting him
unless you have better options.
I've got him in my top 10, but I think it's
worth looking into what you brought up, so I'm going to do
that today.
How about Kyle Pitts or Higby?
Higby and PPR, Pitts and Nunn.
How about Tunyon or Higby?
Tunyon.
Higby as of now.
All right.
That's it for that game.
Sit the DSTs?
I wouldn't say that, actually.
What do you think?
I like the Bucks DST.
I mean, I think they're going to get after Matthew Stafford
like every other team does.
And I don't think the Rams are horrible
because Brady's not putting up a lot of points.
I think the Rams is kind of stinky.
It's not a great week for DSTs.
We talked about that on Tuesday.
Double-digit fantasy points to opposing DSTs
against the Rams in four straight games.
Miami is at Chicago.
Here's the stat of the game
that's once again in Raheem Mostert's favor.
Let's hope he doesn't stink up the joint
like he did last week.
A running back has 17,
scored 17 or more PPR fantasy points
in six of the last seven games against the Bears.
So, fingers crossed.
Let's make it happen.
Raheem Mostert.
Make sure Jeff Wilson's rostered,
please.
Yeah,
that's a great idea.
Yep.
Just a,
just an overall question here.
Look at two is season.
You know,
if you just look at the raw numbers,
you'd think he's an MVP candidate leading the NFL in,
in QB rating QBR and yards per attempt.
But he's only had two good fantasy games.
Those two games were 51 points against Baltimore, 35 points against Detroit.
The Bears actually have been a very good pass defense.
Is it because of competition?
Maybe.
But for what it's worth, they've been a good pass.
The fifth fewest passing yards per game, 15th in yards per attempt.
Do you have any concerns about Tua this week?
How dare you disrespect the combination of Mac Jones and Bailey Zappi?
Well, Aaron Rodgers, Kirk Cousins...
The rain game against Trey Lance, yes.
It's been fluky.
No, but Kirk Cousins was part of that.
Dak Prescott tore them apart.
Anyway,
how do you feel about Tua?
Do you feel good?
Do you feel great
about Tua this week?
Great.
I think great's
a great word.
I mean,
think about what
they've just lost.
They lost Robert Quinn
and Roquan Smith
in back-to-back weeks.
Yeah, you're right.
Yeah.
All right,
Mostert,
we talked about
a little bit earlier.
Did I ask you this?
Roastert? Roastert or Milliams? Jamal Williams or Raheem Mostert, we talked about a little bit earlier. Did I ask you this, Roastert?
Roastert or Milliams?
Jamal Williams or Raheem Mostert?
Mostert has him now.
I think Williams will leapfrog Mostert if Swift doesn't play.
Oh, that's easy, yes.
Okay.
Start or sit Tyreek Hill.
Okay.
Start Hill, start Waddle.
Micah Sicki, starter sit.
Yeah, I kind of like him.
He's had end zone targets each of the past three games.
He's caught touchdowns in two of those three.
He should have caught one against Pittsburgh, too.
They seem to like throwing to him when they're between like three and 15 yards away from the end zone.
Okay.
All right, Jamie.
And I thought it was you.
Was it you who brought up that Tyreek Hill doesn't have a target this year
inside the 20?
Oh, no, I didn't, but I wouldn't be surprised.
Is that the case?
He doesn't have a red zone target?
I think that's right.
Someone brought it up.
Wow.
He sucks.
Jamie, Justin Fields, start of the week.
What are your expectations?
I expect him to be his third straight game over 20 fantasy points.
I hope third straight game over 25 fantasy points.
He's certainly playing with a lot more poise.
I like the fact that they added a receiver this week
with the hope of maybe throwing the ball a little bit more.
But really why you're banking on Justin Fields
is you're banking on him for his rushing production
on top of what he's able to do as a passer.
60 yards or more in three straight games,
back-to-back, excuse me, two of those games over 80 yards rushing,
two touchdowns on the ground over that span.
The Dolphins are going to pressure him.
He's going to do a good job escaping the pressure
and hopefully finding his guys down the field
in Darnell Mooney and now Chase Claypool.
And so this Dolphins defense allows an average of 21 fantasy points per game I would expect fields to be slightly better than that and so I'll say 23 fantasy points makes him
a top 10 guy for this week a great guy to pick up off waivers as we told you on Tuesday and a guy as
Heath has been saying you could start for the next three games based on their upcoming schedule
it wasn't you it was one of our researchers and it's not true he actually has one red zone target this year
tyreek hill does okay you know how many jaylen waddle has six that's exactly correct bam do you
know how many mike gasecki has four as many as tyreek and waddle combined oh seven team math is perfect yeah yeah yeah you
know it's my strong suit um not really just compared to the other subjects you know which
wasn't very good justin fields is ninth for jamie eighth for dave and 11th for heath so
you're still not starting him over Justin Herbert,
even with the absences there.
I think that would be an interesting one for people.
But I did a YouTube poll yesterday during our chat.
It was Justin Fields, Khalil Herbert,
Justin Fields, Justin Herbert,
Kirk Cousins, and Geno Smith.
I wanted to see who would win that,
and Herbert won it fairly easily.
All righty.
You know, the Bears running backs,
David Montgomery has 15 carries in three straight games.
In those three games, Khalil Herbert has 7, 12, and 16 carries.
Khalil Herbert has 74 or more total yards in three straight games.
You know, maybe people are just tempted to say, no, I don't want to start them. But
maybe you still can. And Dave, you said earlier that you kind of like Montgomery.
He gets the high value touches. And look, they lost by 20 points last week,
and those guys combined for 31 carries. So, all right, tell me what you think about Montgomery and Herbert.
I'm nervous to start either one of them.
They are both ranked in my top 24 this week.
Montgomery higher, but it's a little frustrating
just because of how many running backs are out of the mix
or hurt or what have you, where they fall into this range
where you should be able to squeeze out anywhere from,
I guess we have to say seven PPR points in the case of Khalil Herbert
to 13, 14 for Montgomery.
Yeah, Herbert basically never catches the ball.
Another situation where the backup is better.
Oh, for sure.
Talent-wise, I agree.
It's just the coaching staff and who they prefer.
How would you guys rank these two compared to... How about Kenyon Drake, assuming Gus Edwards is out?
Drake over Luton.
I currently have Montgomery one spot ahead of Drake in PPR.
Okay, Deion Jackson, assuming Taylor's out.
Jackson over both.
Jackson will be over Herbert.
Not sure if I'm going to put him ahead of Montgomery.
Antonio Gibson, assuming McKissick is out.
Gibson over everybody we've named so far.
Gibson for sure over Herbert.
For now, he's ranked behind Montgomery.
McKissick has had a pretty limited role.
You're not replacing a lot of touches here. That's that's our next game we know but you're replacing playing time and and Gibson's got
10 catches the last two games yeah um right I mean he's had that even with McKissick playing
how much better is he going to get there but um okay and uh would you start by the way by the way
in their last four games the Dolphins have allowed more than five yards per carry to Brees Hall, Dalvin Cook, and Jamal Williams.
And they allowed 3.8 yards per carry to Najee Harris,
which is like allowing 3.8 yards per carry to me.
That's not good.
Oh, man.
Would you start a Chicago wide receiver today,
or tomorrow, or Sunday, whatever this game is being played?
Whenever you set your lineup.
He's a starter in a three receiver
league he's not a starter in a two receiver league he's certainly better in ppr than non-ppr yet to
score his first touchdown but he does have 12 or more ppr points in three of his last five games
he just would like to see more volume i mean he only has one game with double digits or sorry one
game with over five targets um you know so let's feature him a little bit that'd be nice to see
maybe that happens this week but you also have the the X factor of how much they're going to use chase Claypool
and how many targets he gets. And so, you know,
Justin Fields is just not throwing the ball enough to say that you're going to
get this type of slam dunk production. So five for 70.
Can you do that? I think that's realistic. Can he get,
he did that last week.
Yeah, but it's been every other week and it hasn't been consistent.
It's just hard to say he's a must-start guy.
Okay.
Sit Cole Komet. Dolphins DST
is a borderline top 12 option.
Minnesota's at Washington. We've got two games left.
We can do this in eight minutes.
Kirk Cousins' revenge game.
Taylor Heineken's revenge game. Kevin O'Connor's revenge game.
A lot of revenge games here.
Minnesota. Third fewest offensive plays of 20-plus yards,
fifth fewest rush plays of 20-plus yards,
second fewest pass plays of 20-plus yards.
Only the Giants have a less explosive passing offense
than the Minnesota Vikings.
It's pretty crazy here.
So Kirk Cousins, though, is still in your top 10.
Would you start Cousins or Tom Brady?
Cousins. All right, start Cousins, though, is still in your top 10. Would you start Cousins or Tom Brady? Cousins.
All right.
Start Cousins.
I would start him over Herbert.
You guys would not, right?
I'm close.
Yeah, I can see why you would do that.
I wouldn't, but I can see it.
All right.
Start Dalvin Cook.
Start Justin Jefferson.
Adam Thielen is in your top 24.
He's actually 25th for Jamie in PPR.
He's been pretty matchup dependent this year.
His better games have come against teams
that struggle against wide receivers.
I guess it's not a shock.
Washington struggles against them.
Especially outside receivers.
Let's compare Thielen to some of the running backs
we've talked about, like Montgomery or Antonio Gibson. I think we already did that earlier, but Deion Jackson, Kenyon Drake, the running backs that you didn't think would be starters for you, but they've emerged in that group this week. Would you like them better than Thielen or worse?
And PPR worse.
Than who, I'm sorry?
Than Thielen.
Adam Thielen.
Now, which running back?
All right, let's start with Gibson, Drake, and Deion Jackson.
The only one I would take is Gibson.
Okay.
He's catching as many passes as Thielen.
Starter set, TJ Hawkinson.
I would avoid him if I can.
Low end starter.
Washington actually allows the fewest fantasy points to tight ends.
And already played him.
Yeah, they held him to three catches for 26 yards.
Taylor Heineke over Stafford, over Carr.
Yes.
Yeah, not a terrible option.
Did you see the way Heath Azerstad did this one?
No.
He said he's, I believe, top 10 in points per game.
Oh, excuse me.
That was an Azerstad of that one.
He was seventh in points per game.
Oh, maybe Heath did earlier.
Maybe that's why he knew it so easily on Fantasy Jeopardy.
Yeah.
He's QB7 right now.
He told me that all of your categories were stats that he already researched this week.
It just happened to line up that way for him.
He said that's the only reason
why he creamed me as bad as he did.
He was on fire.
Yeah?
Well, you guys shared a brain on Fantasy Jeopardy.
Well, he said that he won,
and I said, who usually wins?
And he goes, oh, I do.
I don't even know. I usually try to game it so that he loses somehow at the end usually wins and he goes oh i do does he i don't even know i usually
try to game it so that he loses somehow at the end but dave wouldn't let me i was going to triple
the points at the end he he completely he obliterated me yeah even i tip my cap to him
he gets he gets very upset on name that player when i do college stuff because it's the only
way that pete he mentioned that too yeah yeah he thinks like anytime i bring up the college stuff
you just see he's yeah you you i he thinks that i think he thinks like anytime i bring up the college stuff you just see he's
yeah you you he thinks that i think he thinks that you're gaming it for pete so
keep it i mean if that is the case then it's a very terrible job that both of us are doing because
in the overall scores it's 55 11 to 5 yeah but he's starting to get more more stats for pete
he thinks it's more what more stats for pete like the college stuff and and it's like
well i mean i i skew away from fantasy numbers because pete would never have a chance right and
so i try to usually do like one non-football related thing one one non-football or college
related thing so like you know they did this as a kid or they did this off the field or blah blah
blah and then or i do like a college thing so like pete the one this as a kid or they did this off the field or blah blah blah and then
or i do like a college thing so like pete the one that he got easily this week was jacoby myers who
i said uh started his college career as a quarterback and eventually went on to break
tory holt's single season record for receptions so pete knew right away who that was oh cool it
was jacoby myers um by the way we're talking about name that player on HQ on the Wednesday episode
of Fantasy Football Today on HQ.
It is must-see stuff.
It is extremely entertaining.
The best thing that happens
on that segment,
which we don't see,
I'm the only one that sees it,
is when they stare at the clues
and they get stumped
because the looks on both their faces
identical as Pete's face and Heath's face with a 20 year age gap between 15 year
age gap between them and just how they stare they look they somehow morph into twins like
all right before I get back to this game Jamie can you name the movie that there are two football
movies that have a Billy Bob. Can you name them?
Friday night lights and varsity blues.
Hey,
you got it.
Way to go.
And he asked us this on Wednesday.
So yes.
All right.
Who's your,
uh, your favorite Washington running back is clearly Antonio Gibson.
I guess you're sitting Brian Robinson.
We,
we are ranking Gibson as if McKissick is not going to play.
If McKissick does play, where would
you rank Gibson? Right where he is right now.
Actually, I'm ranked with
McKissick playing. Oh, okay.
Sorry. So you guys have him
in your top 24. Dave has
him, I think, 21st.
I believe he has at least
9 PPR points if you don't
count his touchdowns in the two games
that he's played with Heineke.
Okay.
It's still funny that the best thing that they did for him
was benching him, essentially.
Minnesota's been a great run defense, though.
They're giving up 3.8 yards per carry to running backs.
That's really impressive.
And I don't really know how they're doing it.
They may not have Dalvin Tomlinson.
I don't think they're going to have Dalvin Tomlinson this week.
I don't know how big of a loss that is.
McLaurin is top 16 in both formats.
Start Terry McLaurin. Start or sit
Curtis Samuel? By the way, just so
for accuracy,
I said Gibson has as many catches as Thielen.
They have as many catches as the same last two weeks.
Okay.
Terry McLaurin, start. Start or sit
Curtis Samuel?
I don't want to start Curtis Samuel.
I think he's a number three receiver in PPR.
He hasn't scored a touchdown since week two, you know, so non and half PPR, you're, you're,
you're begging at this point for him to get some carries, which has saved him.
So, you know, 12 PPR points.
Can you get that?
Yes.
You know, he's kind of been consistent in that range, but it just, it just feels like,
you know, you're, you feels like you're hoping at this point
as opposed to counting on it.
12 targets in two games with Taylor Heineke.
Eight catches, 103 yards, Zippo touchdowns.
But he has 55 rushing yards.
I know he had a five carry game there.
Yeah, it's a five and a four.
He has nine carries for 55 yards in the last two games.
It's saving him for sure.
Yes.
And sit Logan Thomas, even though it is a good matchup.
He didn't have a target last week.
Minnesota's DST is 14th for Jamie, 8th for Dave, 13th for Heath.
They've been good two games in a row.
Washington allows the fifth most fantasy points to DSTs.
A lot of that, of course, was Carson Wentz.
Last game is Baltimore at New Orleans.
You guys have no hesitation starting Lamar Jackson, right?
Even if Andrews doesn't play?
If Andrews doesn't play,
I think that Matthew Stafford would be better.
Oh, look at you.
Would Justin Fields be better?
I would say there's probably similar similar ceiling for fields and floor for jackson
so i would probably still go with jackson okay start camara olave i was going to talk about
olave but i don't i don't know that we really have time but i just want to point out that in
three starts three of the four games that and Andy Dalton has started with Olave playing,
he has seven targets or fewer.
Six or seven targets because Dalton doesn't throw.
One of those games he left.
He came back, though.
He actually left two. No, he left with a concussion.
Oh, he left the London game
and he came back. Yes, he did leave with a concussion
in one of them. But Dalton doesn't throw.
Dalton's thrown 28, 24,
47 in that Arizona game and 30 passes. Something to think about maybe rest of them. But Dalton doesn't throw. Dalton's thrown 28, 24, 47 in that Arizona game
and 30 passes.
Something to think about
maybe rest of season.
Taysom Hill or Tyler Higbee?
Kyle Pitts, that group.
I'm done with Taysom Hill
for the most part.
I'm not in non-PPR.
I still think he can get you
seven or eight non-PPR fantasy points.
We're done with Jawan Johnson, right?
Yes.
Ben's done.
Johnson did his job.
Dalton or Heineke?
I like Heineke better.
I have Dalton higher.
Come on.
I have Dalton higher as of now.
Dalton or
Carr? Dalton higher as of now. Dalton or Carr?
Dalton.
Andy.
Let's talk about Kenyon Drake, Devin Duvernay,
and Isaiah Likely. Dave, Kenyon Drake.
Number two fantasy running back as long as Gus
is out. He's put up some
good numbers lately, and I think he's going to have the
opportunity to keep it up.
I think it's actually better for him also if there's no Mark Andrews.
Okay, Jamie, Devin Duvernay.
And by the way, there have been three games this year
that Bateman either hasn't played or he left early,
left after 17% of the snaps.
Duvernay only has one more target than Demarcus Robinson,
yet he's rostered in 68% more leagues than Demarcus Robinson.
Anyway, what do you think about these guys?
I think do Renee's a number three receiver that you're kind of, you know,
hoping that he scores a touchdown, you know,
and last week it was fluky because he ran for one,
but clearly he's the more talented of, of the,
the guys that are remaining and the hope would be that talent wins out.
But as we know what this offense that isn't necessarily always the case
because Lamar is such a wild card in how he uses these guys and Greg Roman the same way.
So I think, like I said, Robinson in deeper leagues is worth a flyer just to see if that
target volume that he got last week is somewhat sustainable. Now you're factoring into Sean
Jackson playing. We don't know the health status of Mark Andrews. If he's going to be out there,
is he less than a hundred percent? And as we saw last week, he tried to play through
the ankle injury
and suffered a shoulder injury and left the game.
So it's not a guarantee he even finishes the game.
So I think Dave sort of alluded to this before.
I know we talked about it on Tuesday.
If I'm Baltimore, I'm playing Isaiah Likely a hell of a lot more
because he can play as a slot receiver.
He can play as a split-out tight end.
He doesn't necessarily have to play a traditional role.
So even if Andrews is there, I think their best bet is to play him alongside in tandem with,
with Andrews.
Now that may come with the detriment to Andrews to whatever extent,
but if I'm Baltimore,
I don't care.
You know,
I need to get my best playmakers on the field and he's one of their best
playmakers.
So in terms of receivers,
I think Duvernay is a dart throw number three receiver.
Robinson's just somebody that you want to speculate on a deep performance.
Can I give a quick stat on DeMarcus Robinson?
I'll allow it.
Four times in his career, he's had back-to-back games with at least five targets.
He's coming off of one of those times in his last two games.
Actually, that's not even true.
It's three times.
He had five targets in week six.
He didn't even have a target in week seven.
He played 15 snaps, eight targets last week.
But did Bateman play in that game?
I think Bateman played in week seven, right?
He did play in week seven.
Didn't he play in week eight also?
No, he left after 17% of the snaps.
Okay, so he did play and then he just left.
Look, I don't mind stashing Robinson in the deepest of leagues,
but his track record suggests no good consistency.
So you think likely is in play even if Andrews does play?
I don't know. That's just what I would do. You know, I mean, I,
I think you're just looking at it. They just lost Bateman.
They're still trying to figure out how to replace Marquise Brown.
DuVernay is not necessarily the most consistent guy.
They're begging for 35 year old Deshaun Jackson to make plays for them.
You know,
so if
you're going to be the playoff contender that you are because they clearly told you that with the
moves that they made defensively to go get roquan smith you know they're all in they're running back
situations a mess you know the top two guys are banged up right now assuming gus edwards doesn't
play so why would you not play this young athletic playmaker despite the fact that he plays the same position
as your best playmaker you can find ways to get them both involved i would hope so i think if i'm
looking at it and i've done this in a couple leagues and i said this in the waiver wire column
you don't necessarily have to pick up isaiah likely and then drop him if mark andrews plays
see what happens because they're going into their bye week. If he has a good game, then you're holding him and we'll see what develops
after that.
So we'll likely have a significant role of Andrew's plays.
I couldn't tell you, but I would, I would like to see that happen.
I would likely like to see that happen.
Well, I can't,
I can't end this show without mentioning that the saints have allowed the
third fewest fantasy points to tight ends.
No, it does not matter when it comes to Andrews.
Well, of course not.
It might matter when it comes to Likely,
but again, it depends on who you're comparing to.
And who else have they played?
Have they shut down some comparable tight ends?
Kyle Pitts, Hayden Hurst, Zach Ertz.
Now, all three of those guys had a wide receiver teammate who did very well.
That probably won't be the case with Likely.
So where would you rank Likely
in the event that Mark Andrews does not play?
He would be around number six.
So ahead of Pitts, ahead of Tunyon,
ahead of Ingram, ahead of Higby,
behind Ertz,
behind Goddard,
obviously,
behind Kelsey.
Everett?
What about Gerald Everett?
Behind Everett.
I think I have him
in the exact same spot.
Okay.
Or I would have him.
All right, guys.
Thank you very much.
Appreciate your time.
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