Fantasy Football Today - Start or Sit (NFC); Tough RB Decisions; Giants-Eagles Recap (10/23 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: October 23, 2020

Carson Wentz had another 30+ Fantasy Point performance, Boston Scott came through and Sterling Shepard is back. What are our big takeaways from last night's NFC East thriller!? ... We'll tell you whic...h RBs have been dealing with the worst run blocking this season (10:40) and what it means going forward. Then we'll get into Kenyan Drake's matchup (16:00), your news and notes (20:00) including a long talk about how to approach the Raiders this week, "Beat the Waiver Wire" (29:40) and the Startometer (31:40) for CAR-NO, DET-ATL and SEA-ARI ... Start or Sit for Bucs-Raiders (36:30), Bears-Rams (46:50), Cowboys-Washington (53:00), Panthers-Saints (58:30), Lions-Falcons (1:03:40), Seahawks-Cardinals (1:07:00) ... Email us at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com Listen to the brand new Fantasy Football Today in 5 podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-in-5/id1528634304 'Fantasy Football Today' is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Google Podcasts, Castbox, and wherever else you listen to podcasts. Follow the new FFT Twitch channel: https://www.twitch.tv/FFToday Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @BenSchragg Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCviK78rIWXhZdFzJ1Woi7Fg/videos Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is Fantasy Football Today from CBS Sports. On his way to the end zone. I'll tell you what, that was a spectacular play. It's time to dominate your fantasy league. What a play! Off to the races! Touchdown! Oh, he's done it again!
Starting point is 00:00:15 Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, Heath, and Ben. Daniel Drones tripped and fell. I started Darius Slayton in too many leagues. That's pretty much all I want to say about that game. Unfortunately, we have to talk about it. Welcome to the show. It is Friday. And we'll talk about the Eagles and the Giants.
Starting point is 00:00:32 But the six home games, NFC home games we're talking about today, actually five plus Las Vegas and Tampa Bay. Really, really interesting. Can you trust Kenyon Drake in what actually might be a tough matchup? Can you trust Josh Jacobs if he's running behind the practice squad? Mike Davis against the Saints. Interesting stuff today.
Starting point is 00:00:50 Adam Azer, Dave Richard, and Jamie Eisenberg. Good evening, guys. Dave, how we doing? Good evening. Yeah, no, I don't know why I said that. Good morning. Good morning, Adam. This is shaping up to be a good pod. Razzled. I was up very late last night. Could not sleep.
Starting point is 00:01:07 Jamie, hello. Good early afternoon to you. Yes. Good morning to you. Are you as depressed as some of the Giants fans I was texting with last night? Not that depressed because I am excited about Express and all the clothes we're getting from Express. And this episode is sponsored by Express.
Starting point is 00:01:26 Express is all new and all about you with a fresh assortment of casual, versatile, and super comfortable styles. Find out more about Express and their exclusive offer later in the show. I like that pivot that you made there, Adam. Thank you. That was tough. I go to a lot of websites to read about football. One of them, every time I go there, they have their loudest, most obnoxious person talking about his favorite team who sucks.
Starting point is 00:01:52 So I vowed not to be that. Nobody cares. So I won't get into it. But it was obviously just a horrible, like a choke job. And any Giants fan would have been very disappointed. What was the best tweet you saw about Daniel Jones falling? I just wasn't looking. The win probability one.
Starting point is 00:02:10 That was great. He stumbled down, yes. Yeah. Stefan Diggs had me laughing with his. What did he say? He tripped the same way people do in scary movies when they're running from the villain bad guy. That's funny.
Starting point is 00:02:22 At the same time, he ran for 80 yards. He had the fifth longest run from CBS Sports. I saw this in the last 25 years. And of those five runs, his is the only one that didn't go for a touchdown. And he was the fastest run
Starting point is 00:02:39 by a quarterback this year from NextGenStats. It was like 20, it was like 22 miles per hour almost. 21.2 miles per hour, yeah. I mean, that's impressive. He's quite an athlete. Quick note,
Starting point is 00:02:49 if you noticed maybe yesterday, maybe today, if you have a keen ear, my audio is a little bit different than usual. I'm having a computer issue that I hope to have resolved by Sunday night.
Starting point is 00:02:58 Just transitioning to a new computer, basically, and everything should sound better soon. But just in case you're not hearing things, working on that. And the worst part about the game last night was
Starting point is 00:03:09 I lost money on the game. Dave and I made a bet. One dollar, straight up, and I paid you, Dave, you saw. No, I did not. Well, I didn't pay you in full because I was so pissed, so I only gave you 99 cents. I wanted an actual buck.
Starting point is 00:03:26 It was just a dollar. It was just for fun. Eagles versus Giants. I started boasting yesterday afternoon the Eagles are going to crush the Giants. I changed my tune on how I thought the game was going to go and I thought that Philadelphia was going to run away with it. It looked like it early on.
Starting point is 00:03:41 It did early on and then it looked like the Giants were going to run away with it. I feel pretty fortunate. I will accept the 99 cents. All right. Eight straight wins for the Eagles over the Giants. That's incredible. Devontae Freeman left with an ankle injury.
Starting point is 00:03:54 Deshaun Jackson left with a leg injury in the fourth quarter. Look at your dirty Giants. Yeah, that was disappointing. And Philadelphia right tackle Lane Johnson started left early, came back left late. This guy has been so banged up. Now he has a knee injury on top of the ankle. I'm going to guess he doesn't play week eight
Starting point is 00:04:13 because they have a bye in week nine. We saw firsthand. Week eight is the Cowboys. But we saw firsthand how bad the Eagles offensive line is consistently. All right. But anyway, here's the good. Carson Wentz, Jamie, 30 points. Again, 31.
Starting point is 00:04:29 So that's two straight games. Was it always the prettiest? No, but he got it done. He scored a rushing touchdown, and he gets the Cowboys next week, so good stuff. He had some of the worst decision-making I've seen from a quarterback, and then just two pretty throws.
Starting point is 00:04:45 The one to Boston Scott, which Scott made a great play on. And then the touchdown to Greg Ward. I mean, it was, it was a easy throw, but it was a good throw, you know, moving to his right and then hitting him in stride as he got to the pylon. So he's, he's going to be that type of guy, you know, especially when he doesn't have the protection in front of him. But I saw somebody email us complaining about Travis Fulgham. If you're complaining about a wide receiver getting 10 targets
Starting point is 00:05:07 and 70 yards receiving, I don't know what to tell you. I mean, you know, he wasn't that involved early in the game, which was a little frustrating. But by the end of the game, he was certainly involved and set up a score for them. I mean, he's going to easily be their number one guy while Deshaun and Alshon are out. And obviously, Deshaun's probably going to miss some more time.
Starting point is 00:05:29 Especially with Zach Gertz now gone. Yeah. No, I responded to that email. I was like, he got 11 targets, five catches. You can't complain about Fulgham. This was, I guess I would call it a bad good game because he didn't score. So in fantasy, he might be outscored
Starting point is 00:05:45 by a lot of people, a lot of players. Right. I'm going to guess it was a non-PPR fantasy manager. Well, he didn't score. He didn't score. So he scored in a bunch
Starting point is 00:05:56 of games in a row. So, man, he didn't find the end zone. He stinks. I don't want him on my team anymore. No, it's not how it should be. Players have bad games all the time.
Starting point is 00:06:05 And you're right. This was like his floor. It feels like this is what the minimum you should expect from Fulgham moving forward is. And I expect a rushing touchdown from Carson Wentz every game now moving forward. You know, the one player that I really wish I had brought up on the preview, and I don't think I did, was Richard Rodgers, who ended up having a great game for them,
Starting point is 00:06:25 led the team in receiving, had one yard away from a touchdown, which ended up being a Carson Wentz rushing touchdown. He was only rostered in 4% of leagues. So there's not, well, no, I mean, there is something there. Like he could be in play next week against Dallas. Absolutely, yep. But we'll get into that with waiver wire and all that.
Starting point is 00:06:43 Let's talk about bigger picture stuff here. Darius Slayton got Darius Slade. Deshaun Jackson got James Bradbury. That happened. Dave, what other takeaways from this game? You know, I think Boston Scott mostly looked good. And he looked great on a couple of runs, certainly late in the game,
Starting point is 00:07:02 to put them in position to score the go-ahead touchdown. And I also... He scored the go-ahead touchdown. He was really good. And I wish he was a little more consistent. I think the offensive line had something to do with it. And I wish the coaches would give him the ball more. There was a big stretch in the middle of the game where he barely got work.
Starting point is 00:07:16 He played 55% of the, or 55 snaps of the 81 snaps at running back. That's good. I mean, they were working in Corey Clement. Look, I mean, he's not a every down running back. This is i mean they were working in cory clement look i mean he's not a every down running back this is more of what uh the doug peterson running backs have looked like under his tenure you know where he just rotates guys in um they gave the rookie uh you know eight snaps as well so uh i mean you know the fact that he got you over 90 total yards that he scored a
Starting point is 00:07:41 touchdown um he just likes playing the giants that's a good thing for him. He gets them one more time potentially if Miles Sanders is not ready coming off their bye week. You've got to feel good if you started Boston Scott as a flex or a low-end number two running back. Who's a bigger priority for you if you're looking at picking up a Giant?
Starting point is 00:07:59 Would it be Wayne Gallman? Shepard versus Gallman. Unless we find out Devontae's out for the season. It's not close. Who? Shepard. Shepard versus Gallman. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Unless we find out Devante's out for the season. Right.
Starting point is 00:08:13 If he just got benched, then it just reopens the door to a three-man week at running back. Oh, okay. All right. Good. Well, not good, but you know what I mean. He did a lot of things and had five catches. Is that right? He looked good.
Starting point is 00:08:24 He did, even though 3.4 yards per carry. But if you watched it, he was really running well, running tough. Yep. Another guy who needs to run with more consistency. Here's why you're not picking him up. He's got Tampa Bay next week. Well, yeah, and this, I think also, you know, for the people that started Devontae Freeman,
Starting point is 00:08:40 this was the Eagle defense without Malik Jackson there, too. So you saw some holes that you probably don't usually see. All right. Evan Ingram, yeah, he got nine targets. He caught six of them for 46 yards. He also dropped the ball that would become an interception and dropped the ball that would become the reason the Giants lost. So just let's 20 seconds, if that.
Starting point is 00:09:02 Evan Ingram, drop him or dump him? I would keep him, drop him or keepgram, drop him or dump him? Drop him or dump him? Hmm. Let me think about that. I think most people, there will be a few people who will spike cut him, but you know the nature of the beast of tight end. If he was your only tight end, change that. Get another tight end
Starting point is 00:09:20 off waivers at some point. You can still do it for this week if you want to. He is not a must start tight end by any stretch at this point. I had him as a drop initially in the waiver wire column and then i was like well you know they're playing the eagles they've been really bad against tight ends i could see him having a decent game but now that you have shepherd back and you have slayton playing well and golden tate had a big play i mean there is it's just so hard to say you're going to start him on a week-to-week basis. They're obviously trying to get him involved, though.
Starting point is 00:09:49 They gave him two carries. Yeah, well, I mean, they're trying. They haven't been every week, though. Not like this. The two worst plays for Daniel Jones, throwing the ball. Forget about some of the sacks that he took when he held the ball too long. But the two worst plays that he had was the interception was from Evan Ingram off his hands.
Starting point is 00:10:05 And the biggest play of the game for them was the drop. And so, like, his confidence has to be a little shot too. Okay, well, that is the end of that game. Eagles win it 22-21. I predicted 24-12. So, I had the Giants numbers flipped. My bad. 1-2, 2-1.
Starting point is 00:10:27 What was the score you had last week, too? 30-3? Something like that, but I found a way to justify how it was a three-point game and I got this correct. That's what it was. Interesting stat, question mark. Pro Football Reference has some really cool stats. I've been digging around and finding some fun stuff. They have each team sorted by rushing yards before contact per attempt.
Starting point is 00:10:53 So, you know, who's basically getting the best blocking is the way I interpret it. The bottom three teams, the three worst teams in rushing yards before contact per attempt are Buffalo, Tampa Bay, and Chicago. Chicago, though, does have the third most broken tackles on rush attempts in the NFL, which makes sense. More opportunities to break
Starting point is 00:11:16 tackles if you're being smothered right away. But that's, you know, it's just, I don't know. Found that very interesting. Buffalo, Tampa Bay, and Chicago. Three worst teams in terms of, uh, rushing yards before contact per attempt. Your thoughts.
Starting point is 00:11:30 I wonder what, uh, Tampa Bay's is the last three weeks. Cause their offensive line has played better. So in the last two games for sure. Yeah. So I wonder what their, their numbers are on a per game basis.
Starting point is 00:11:39 Cause I wonder how much that factors in early in the season when they were still trying to work some things out. Um, but also that Carolina game, I mean, they were running all over the Panther. So it could be a little different story. I mean, look, Chicago is offensive line. We knew it was going to be a little bit of an issue and the broken tackle speaks to the way that David Montgomery runs because he's that type of
Starting point is 00:11:58 runner. He was that way in college. He had the most broken tackles in college, I believe over the two game stretch two season stretch that Pro Football Focus was tracking that as well. For Buffalo, I mean, this kind of speaks to where the run game is. It's just not been good. And so, you know, we keep saying hopefully this is a week for Devin Singletary. We said a lot of that on the Thursday show when we were talking about Jets and Bills, and, you know, he said, which I think most people would agree with,
Starting point is 00:12:23 that if Devin Singletary doesn't have a good game this week, then you can't justify starting him week in, week out. And so, as I said, I'd like to see maybe Zach Moss because he's a little bit more of a physical presence, you know, than Devin Singletary.
Starting point is 00:12:36 Maybe give him an opportunity and see if he can break some tackles. But the offensive line has not played well for them and they're down some guys, especially Cody Ford now being hurt. So that's not going to be a good thing. And I think the coaching staff knows it because they're not leaning on the run like they have in the past you know or maybe it's just they want to run everything through josh
Starting point is 00:12:52 allen has been winning for them until the last couple of games but singletary in college was was a tackle breaker and a juker and a guy that could get out of tough situations too well he just hasn't been able to translate that into the NFL as well as he did at FAU. Let's talk about Montgomery though, against the Rams and that defensive line. You see that he's getting a lot of defenders in his face basically. You know, like how confident are you in this, in David Montgomery in this matchup? And the Rams run defense is not always good. I mean, it's usually actually not that good even with Aaron Aaron Donald. But the last three games, they've been pretty solid.
Starting point is 00:13:26 The thing when you face Aaron Donald is he is a pass rusher in the middle of the defensive line. So his first instinct usually is to go forward as opposed to taking on defenders and play the run. So typically, and why they were so good when they had Ndamukong Suh, is Suh takes on bodies and he's a run stuffer, which is why Tampa Bay's run defense is as good as it is. So if you get past the line of scrimmage,
Starting point is 00:13:49 you're typically going to have some success running on the ramps. The thing about Montgomery is that I like about him, certainly since the Tariq Cohen injury, is his involvement in the passing game. I view him and Joe Mixon kind of similarly right now in that, you know, you and Heath were joking and Heath made the comment, I don't get fantasy points for yards per carry. The total yards for Montgomery is what I think you're banking on right now. And he's actually better in PPR than he is non PPR, which is the surprising thing because of the work in the passing game and the way that they're using him. So he lost the touchdown last week, which would have made his numbers a lot better.
Starting point is 00:14:21 But if he's going to get north of 15 touches, which he's basically been, you know, prior to last week, at least 10 carries. And then last week he had what 19 carries. I think it was 19 carries. And he, I believe he's had over 15 touches each of the last two weeks. Right. That's the thing is that his involvement in the passing game has saved him. And so I hope they don't go away from him in that regard because there's always that risk, but as long as he's running the routes that he's running, getting the targets that he's getting, opportunity for those total yards, and again, better in PPR at this point than non-PPR because the touchdowns have escaped him. So he's a number two running back. Is he great? No, but volume is certainly important when you talk about these guys.
Starting point is 00:14:58 The Bills, the Giants, the football team, the 49ers, those are the last four opponents against LA. None of them had a rushing touchdown. None of their running backs had a receiving touchdown. And cumulatively, no team had more than 14 non-PPR fantasy points against them. Yikes. And Mostert got hurt in that game, so you don't know how he would have finished because he only put a half, and he was totally arching. Fair.
Starting point is 00:15:19 Fair. And look, it's not a case against Montgomery being a – I'm not going to say Montgomery's a sit. There's just too much work expected, and the catches really make a difference for him. But I don't think you can start him with supreme confidence. He's not going to be close to a wide running back one this week. Okay, there's one more running back I really want to talk about
Starting point is 00:15:38 because it's the last game that we're going to preview today. We'll get to him in just a second. I just want to promote a few things. Our newsletter. Did FFT in five with Chris Towers last night at like 1130 or whatever it was, 1140. And then he started working on the newsletter. That guy is a hardworking dude. And he puts together a great newsletter with a lot of great information. If you want to sign up, it obviously goes right to your inbox and it's free cbssports.com slash newsletter. On Sunday, it's a big day for
Starting point is 00:16:03 fantasy football today. FFT in5 drops in this feed and in the FFTN5 feed at about 8.30 a.m. HQ, 10 a.m. to 1 p.m. Eastern, and Twitch, twitch.com slash FF today at noon Eastern and at 4 p.m. Eastern with the home team watch party presented by Lowe's. We're watching Niners Patriots talking to Danny Woodhead and Vernon Davis. All right, let's talk about Kenyon Drake. This is the guy I want to discuss here. So the number that really jumps out to me when you look at the Seahawks run defense, they had one bad game, and that was against Alexander Madison and Dalvin Cook,
Starting point is 00:16:35 where the Vikings ran the ball 39 times, I think, against them. They're running backs. But other than that, no team's running backs have had more than 18 carries against Seattle. I think that's one of the reasons why they've been pretty successful against running backs. And they're giving up like less than four yards per carry. They've been solid. So Drake is usually 16 or more carries,
Starting point is 00:16:58 you know, up around 18. A lot of the time, Chase Edmonds usually gets four-ish, five. So you have to throw against the seahawks they put so much pressure on you you know this it does this feel like a trap with uh with kenny right 100 you know you the the vikings game is is the one that's the uh the one that stands out
Starting point is 00:17:19 against ezekiel elliott they held him to 34 yards rushing against todd girl they held him to 34 yards rushing. Against Todd Gurley, they held him to 56 yards rushing. And Drake has been so touchdown dependent that his numbers have been awful in PPR when he hasn't. He has played three games where he hasn't found the end zone. In those three games, which are Washington, Detroit, and Carolina, he's combined for 21 PPR
Starting point is 00:17:40 points. So he's just not been involved in the passing game, which has been such a problem for him. I mean, it's, he's got two catches for eight yards in his last four games combined. He's completely uninvolved in the past. It's crazy because you know, his skillset speaks to that. And so, you know, they obviously either just like Chase Edmonds more in that role and they're trying to save drake for
Starting point is 00:18:05 you know being their quote-unquote rushing downs guy and maybe this is the week that that changes we you know we were saying that about todd girley and then all of a sudden things changed for him three weeks ago so who knows but based on the six game sample size that you have if he doesn't score you're going to be in trouble so starting would you starting? Would you start DeAndre Swift against the Falcons? Easy over him. Yes, I would. And I, yeah, I mean. Both formats? Because in non-PPR too?
Starting point is 00:18:32 Yes. I can do it in PPR. I can't do it in half or non, I don't think. I don't think so. I don't trust the Lions enough. J.D. McKissick against the Cowboys who give up the fewest receiving yards to running backs. I like McKissick this week
Starting point is 00:18:47 in full PPR. For whatever Dallas is doing in defending, pass-catching, running backs, this is going to be a letdown game for J.D. McKissick. I think it's going to be a good game for Antonio Gibson based on what we just saw against this Cowboys defense because he's the one who's going to get the carries. So McKissick could be in a little bit of trouble.
Starting point is 00:19:04 Gibson, I think, is going to have a big game. So McKissick could be a little bit of trouble. Gibson, I think is going to have a big game. So I start Gibson over Drake. Starting Justin Jackson over Drake. Easy for sure. Alvin Gordon. That was a little tougher. I would,
Starting point is 00:19:14 but you know, you just don't know how the Broncos are going to react because Philip Lindsay just got them a hundred yards rushing in Foxborough in a game that they won when Gordon was not there for illness, but coming off the DUI. So you wonder if they're going to go with the hot hand approach and say, okay, Melvin's playing.
Starting point is 00:19:32 Melvin is now the backup. Lindsay is the starter. So I still have it as a Gordon is, is the starter. And Lindsay is the backup, especially when you look at how this game can unfold where they're chasing points. And he's the one that's going to play more on passing down just based on the
Starting point is 00:19:44 sample size that we have but i would not be surprised if lindsey gets more carries than melvin gordon's week i can't trust it i'd rather have drake and i thought you were going to bring up that damon harrison being in the middle of that seahawks defense was the reason why the matchup was a little bit different snacks is back okay yeah i mean i don't think he was that great last year, was he? But it's still – No, but it's a humongous body in the middle of that D-line. We'll see how much he plays. Okay, well, no, that's a good point. All right, guys, run a little behind.
Starting point is 00:20:13 Let's run through the news and notes. And this is obviously – this is a huge one. All five starting offensive linemen for the Raiders and safety Jonathan Abram, great player, on the reserve COVID list. Now, that doesn't mean they all have it. We know that Trent Brown, the right tackle, has tested positive. The rest of the offensive line being quarantined, they have moved that game from Sunday night to Sunday afternoon.
Starting point is 00:20:35 So that's to make sure that we actually have a Sunday night game, which is now Arizona-Seattle, which you can play in DFS, which is really cool, by the way, to have the Sunday night game as part of the main slate, especially since it's that game. But no, this is huge. Like, it's already an extremely awful matchup for Josh Jacobs. What if, I mean, like, could you trust any, I guess he'd be the only one either in this discussion,
Starting point is 00:21:00 but if their offensive line is depleted, I mean, how do you approach this situation here? Well, I mean, you're still trusting Darren Waller too. Oh, yeah. Waller, no doubt. Okay. Sorry. So Jacob's the only two and you can't feel great about either one, but you, unless you just got a loaded team, you can sit Jacobs and sit Waller. I mean, you'd have to have amazing players behind them to go with them
Starting point is 00:21:24 or to go against them. And we'll see, we'll, you know have to have amazing players behind them to go with them or to go against them. And we'll see, we'll, you know, we'll see what happens when we get to Sunday. Right, right.
Starting point is 00:21:31 No, it's possible, but, but again, but that's the entire offensive line, not having the week of practice. Yeah. The backups are all like,
Starting point is 00:21:37 they're coming off their buy though. So, you know, it's not great by any stretch, but you know, it's not like they're just played a game and then they got to go miss. They're not practicing during their bye. That's a lot.
Starting point is 00:21:48 No, but they're still doing install. But keep in mind... You can install all you want. If you don't have your starting offensive line, there's a problem. Obviously. I'm saying if the guys play... They can work around it.
Starting point is 00:21:59 Maybe that's what they're doing is game planning about, all right, we got to get Carr on the move and out of the pocket immediately. Yeah, you can't play Carr. I don't care what the potential is. You can't play him. Yeah, but can you trust Josh Jacobs? Again, you got to have great options
Starting point is 00:22:14 to play him. If you're going to play DeAndre Swift over him, sure. If you're going to play Justin Jackson over him, sure. If you have James Robinson and Mike Davis on your team, those are easy. So yes, you can get away from Josh Jacobs in certain situations, but there's a lot of scenarios where most people are like, okay get josh jacob's back from his bye week i gotta play him yeah i understand um alvin camara melvin gordon the entire chargers backfield david montgomery aaron jones none of them had more than 32 rushing yards against tampa bay the only thing
Starting point is 00:22:42 that is good is that they've they do struggle in the passing and they've given up a lot of receiving yards, but that was mostly Camara, Mike Davis. This is, I mean, you gotta, you gotta do some screens, you know, if you're going to have bad offensive line, you know, you gotta be creative. John Gruden will come up with some, you know, plays for Josh Jacobs. So again, he's, he's a number two running back. He's not a DFS play.
Starting point is 00:23:03 He's not a guy that you, you know that you have to start if you have other options, but most people just don't have those other options. Derek Carr throwing a bunch of short passes. Carr leads the NFL in completion percentage, and I believe he is second in passer rating. And let's move on. Michael Thomas has a hamstring injury and really may not play. So where would you rank Emmanuel Sanders if Michael Thomas is out?
Starting point is 00:23:25 Top 30? Yep. A good number three wide receiver in PPR. And Traquan Smith? Top 48. Joe Mixon mispracticed, so getting serious here. Yeah, it's not looking great. Like Gio would be ahead of Jacobs?
Starting point is 00:23:42 Yes. Of course. Okay. Of course. If you could put an offensive lineman in play, then who would you start? G, of course. Okay. If you could put an offensive lineman play, then who would you start? Geo. Yeah. Daryl Henderson mispracticed with a thigh injury.
Starting point is 00:23:53 Perhaps I should... That one popped up out of nowhere. Rate him now to Jamie while the offer's still out there. What's the offer again? It was... Jamie's being kind enough to give me Leighton Van Der Esch and CeeDee Lamb for Henderson and McKissick.
Starting point is 00:24:10 And I'm not going to do it because I don't think you should give up two running backs for two non-running backs. But I would do Henderson for Lamb straight up in a PPR league. But I would not. Okay. AJ Brown mispracticed with a knee injury. I can't believe JD McKissick is holding you back on a trade. You don't play J.D. McKissick.
Starting point is 00:24:30 That's the thing. To be honest, yeah, but I need some running back depth. I'm not – You actually have it in that league, though. That's the thing. That's a good thing. Not if I trade two of them. We still have Akers, who could be very good.
Starting point is 00:24:41 You have Ronald Jones, Alvin Kamara. I think you have one more, too. Latavius Murray. So, yeah, not really. Yeah, no, but A.J. Brown missed practice, so we've got to keep an eye on that. Meanwhile, Jonu Smith practiced in full. If A.J. Brown is out, I mean,
Starting point is 00:24:54 you can't start Tannehill against Pittsburgh, can you? I wouldn't start Tannehill to begin with. So, no, you cannot start Tannehill if you have A.J. Brown not there. Noah Fant practiced in full. Jordan Akins mispracticed. So I had a league with Anthony Ferkser. Dropped him once I saw him practice in full.
Starting point is 00:25:10 Dropped him for Aaron Fels. Did you get Fels? Good. I like him a lot. As long as Akins is out, Fels is going to be good. When Akins comes back, then we'll see what happens. Robert Tunyon, it's pronounced. Yeah, right.
Starting point is 00:25:23 Robert Tunyon is questionable. Sam Darnold. No, it's pronounced. Yeah, right. Robert Tunyon is questionable. Sam Darnold. No, that's Darnold. I had that one right. Sam Darnold was limited in practice. Looks like he's going to play, hopefully. Optimistic. Jamison Crowder mispracticed.
Starting point is 00:25:38 So I'd sit Darnold if Crowder doesn't play. Two DNPs for him. Baltimore might have won the Super Bowl. They just traded for Yannick and Gawkway. I mean, that is really a huge, huge trade for them. Their defense, I mean, there hasn't been really a great defense so far this season. The Steelers have come close,
Starting point is 00:25:58 but we've seen them give up some big games. The Eagles won in particular, where they've given up just you know, just sure. Darius Slayton had two touchdowns against them in week one. The Baltimore defense, hopefully, you know, we've seen some good performances from them.
Starting point is 00:26:13 I just, I hope that Lamar Jackson gets his first playoff win. And I hope that we get the AFC championship game that we deserve, which is going to be one of Baltimore, Pittsburgh and Kansas city playing each other or two of them, excuse me, because that's going to be fun. Those three teams are head and shoulders right now above the rest in the
Starting point is 00:26:33 AFC. Okay. Minnesota. Also, not only did they just lose Yannick and Gawkway, they also, uh, Daniel Hunter is out for the season.
Starting point is 00:26:41 So their defense will continue to be terrible. Baltimore is close to signing Des Bryant to the practice squad. I do not think we have any interest there. Jarvis Landry is playing through a broken rib that he suffered in week five, so you just know. John Brown mispracticed. James White mispracticed, but not with an injury. A couple of notes on the Cardinals here.
Starting point is 00:27:01 Arizona cornerback Drake Kirkpatrick missed practice with a foot injury. That's worth noting. And here's a quote from their defensive coordinator Vance Joseph about DK Metcalf. We have a good plan to take care of Metcalf. He's having a great year. You watch him last year as a young guy. He's big. He's fast. He had trouble catching a ball last year.
Starting point is 00:27:20 He was an average route runner last year. But you're watching him now. He has been big time catching the ball with his hands. His route running has improved 80%. In my opinion, he is making big plays every single week, though. It's going to be a challenge to get Metcalf covered it.
Starting point is 00:27:34 It, this is the key. It won't be one person's job. It is going to be the entire defense's job to contain this guy, because if we don't, there's going to be points scored. So we're excited about playing him. Obviously, that's Patrick Peterson.
Starting point is 00:27:47 Is he going to shadow DK Metcalf? Because I think he did last year in week 15 and it was one target and zero catches for Metcalf. So, you know, fun. You can't sit him. He torched Stephon Gilmore, but it's a fun matchup to keep an eye on Sunday night. Now... Friend of CBS,
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Starting point is 00:29:53 So that's Kyler Murray and Deshaun Watson. So if you need a quarterback, I did this yesterday. This segment is not just lip service. Uh, I picked up Teddy Bridgewater. He's got Atlanta next week. He's already had one good game against them.
Starting point is 00:30:05 Phillip rivers is at Detroit. You know's already had one good game against them. Phillip Rivers is at Detroit. He had the worst game against them. And it was 24 fantasy points. It was 3-13-2? Right. Derek Carr at Cleveland. Jimmy Garoppolo at Seattle is another really good one. He's 38% rostered.
Starting point is 00:30:21 You could pick up Tua, not necessarily for next week, but, you know, just for fun. Yeah. We'll see. What if right? J. Michael hasty.
Starting point is 00:30:30 We don't know what's going to happen tonight or Sunday night rather this week. So you don't have to start J. Michael hasty, but maybe pick him up. See if he's going to be a starting running back for the next two weeks or something like that. Antonio Brown could be a beat the waiver wire guy. I didn't really find any tight ends,
Starting point is 00:30:48 but Drew Sample? Drew Sample against Tennessee? Yeah. Well, on Yahoo, you could pick up guys that already played, right? Yeah, I know you can drop guys that already played, so maybe. Richard Rogers, yeah. Well, Rogers and Shepard.
Starting point is 00:31:04 Oh, yeah. And Gall Well, Rogers and shepherd. Oh yeah. Um, and gum DSTs chargers. Yes. Chargers at Denver. There are two week option. You can use them this week in Jacksonville next week against the Broncos,
Starting point is 00:31:16 Tennessee's at Cincinnati. They haven't been a very good defense. Colts are at Detroit. And here's one that I, you know, we're going to talk about this game. It really wouldn't surprise me, guys, if the Saints start playing much better defense.
Starting point is 00:31:28 They've been hurt. I think they have a lot of talent on their defense. I expected them to have good defense coming in. Lattimore has to play better. Cameron Jordan has to play better. They're coming off their bye, and they get Chicago next week. So that's another defense I'm looking at. Yep, it's going.
Starting point is 00:31:44 Start-o-meter for the last three games. week. So that's another defense I'm looking at. Yep. It's going start. Oh, meter for the last three games. And also check, check, uh, the people that have dropped the Colts DST. Yeah. I think I mentioned them. They, you're right there and blank and chip at Detroit. Oh yeah. Blank and chip. Um, okay. The start Oh meter Teddy Bridgewater at new Orleans. Five. Uh, Orleans. Five. Yeah, five.
Starting point is 00:32:09 How about DJ Moore at New Orleans? Six and three quarters. Five in non-PPR, seven in PPR. What do you think they do with Lattimore in this game? Leave him on the side. Janoris Jenkins. Zone him up. Drew Brees against Carolina.
Starting point is 00:32:27 It was like a it was like an eight if Michael Thomas was going to play and I'd probably put him at six and a half without Michael Thomas. Anytime he's at home, he's in play.
Starting point is 00:32:36 Fans. Three thousand fans. Latavious Murray against Carolina. Two. Yep. Manuel Sanders. Seven. If Thomas is out, four of Thomas is in. Yeah. Emmanuel Sanders. Seven if Thomas is out.
Starting point is 00:32:46 Four if Thomas is in. Yeah. Looking forward to proving that game because this secondary has somehow been one of the best in football. I was reading about it last night. They're playing really well. They're great against tight ends. More legit than I thought, than any of us did.
Starting point is 00:33:04 Jared Cook. Nine, especially if Thomas doesn't play. Five, if Thomas plays. Two, if Thomas is out. I'm sorry, other way around. Five, if Thomas is out. Two, if Thomas plays.
Starting point is 00:33:18 Okay. You got to start him. He's too good of a... They are fantastic against tight ends. I know, but who are you starting him ahead of? Who are you starting ahead of him? Who's starting ahead of him? I'm starting Fels over him. I'm starting Hawkinson over him.
Starting point is 00:33:28 I'm starting Fant over him that he's back. I'm starting Gondo over him, even in a tough matchup. I'm starting Gronk over him. I'm starting Hooper over him in PPR. All those guys have better matchups and better situations. Yeah, most of those guys I'm starting Cook ahead of. Okay, so how good is Carolina against tight ends? Darren Waller had six catches for 45 yards.
Starting point is 00:33:46 Hunter Henry had five catches. 10 PPR points is the best. Right, so that's pretty good against Waller and Henry. Two tight ends caught touchdowns, Ian Thomas and Cole Komet. And Jimmy Graham had eight targets and only had 34 yards. So, yeah, they have been pretty solid. And then just a few more. Matthew Stafford or Matt Ryan.
Starting point is 00:34:05 Who do you like better? Ryan, but I like both Ryan better start on meter. Adrian Peterson at Atlanta three, uh, five and non PPR two and PPR. Yeah. Andre Swift,
Starting point is 00:34:18 eight and both. Um, I'd say a little less in PPR and significantly less in non-PPR. Marvin Jones. Is he going to play? If he plays. Five. Two.
Starting point is 00:34:34 TJ Hawkinson. Seven. Hayden Hurst against Detroit. Seven. Another guy would start over Jared Cook. Five. Hasn't Detroit been really good against tight ends?
Starting point is 00:34:47 Yeah, but I mean, this is more play with Matt Ryan. Okay, I think maybe they have not played good competition. Todd Gurley. I believe you're right. I don't think they've played
Starting point is 00:34:55 good competition. Todd Gurley, must start. Yep. Yeah. Greg Olson at Arizona. Zero. Three. Arizona, like,
Starting point is 00:35:07 worst to, not first against tight ends, but worst to good. And Christian Kirk, 76% rostered. I will remind you, Preston Williams and Justin Jefferson were very disappointing against Seattle in Seattle's last two games. Christian Kirk, zero to ten. Eight. Seven. All right.
Starting point is 00:35:24 All right. Christian Kirk or Kenyon Drake? Kirk. eight seven all right all right christian kirk or kenyan drake kirk kirk has more upside yeah kirk had three targets last week yeah but i mean hopkins didn't get a lot of targets either you know it was just a weird game for the card he got like eight that's low for him he had 14 targets in his first three games they traveled a total of 69 yards in the last two games he's had 10 targets they've traveled almost 100 yards he's their downfield receiver that this game is being radical exactly high scoring game you want to try and get pieces of those points kirk is a great option you think it's gonna be low scoring who me no no i those, Corey? Who? Me? Adam. No, no, I said I'm excited. Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, no, I can't wait. I mean,
Starting point is 00:36:08 like, Russell Wills, Kyler Murray has really not had a good year statistically as a passer. No. He's missed some throws. Yeah, and he's making some really good ones, too. He's kind of enigmatic, I think, but he's on pace for over 900 rushing yards. And I don't even think it's like,
Starting point is 00:36:24 well, he can't keep this up. No, you're counting on it. No, I mean, the three best rushing quarterbacks that we have so far are Lamar Jackson, Kyler Murray, and Carson Wentz. So it's been fun.
Starting point is 00:36:34 All right. And Wilson's running more than he did last year, too. Okay. Tampa Bay, Las Vegas. Here we go. Stat of the game, number one,
Starting point is 00:36:42 Derek Carr ranks first in completion percentage, second passer rating, and he's been sacked only eight times. That's wonderful. He's facing Tampa Bay. They allow the third fewest fantasy points to quarterbacks. Any thought of starting him if their offensive line is healthy other than Trent Brown?
Starting point is 00:36:57 I mean, he's made a great case for it yesterday, you know, just based on coming off the game that he just had against the Chiefs. It was downfield throws that helped him, you know, the touchdown to rugs and the touchdown to Aguilar. The problem I have is, is that yes, Justin Herbert had a good game against the bucks and I know he's point and it
Starting point is 00:37:14 does potentially feel like a trap game for the bucks because they just had this big win against the Packers and now they have to travel and who knows what the Vegas atmosphere factors in. I don't really buy that because of how teams are treating their travel, but I get where he was coming from. Yeah. Like I don't think you're going to be going out in Vegas. Right.
Starting point is 00:37:32 But you never know. In any event, I just look at it as Derek Carr. He was wrong, by the way, he said four straight games with 20 more fantasy points. He was 19 points against the Patriots. I can see him in that range.
Starting point is 00:37:44 You know, I think that's, that's where his, you know, kind of ceiling is against this defense because Carlton Davis has played great. I don't think he's going to necessarily take away Henry rugs because I don't know if he could run with Henry rugs or anybody can, but he'll get help. And, you know, the rest of this receiving core is not exactly that good so while car has been amazing for where car usually is i just think this defense is on a different level and you know who carl davis should cover right um waller you should cover waller i'd love to see that there there might be some of that in this game what is todd bulls calling card what is what does he like to do you know as much as any great
Starting point is 00:38:31 defensive coordinator is called blitzes and you don't think he's going to do a ton of that against derrick carr with the offensive line being a question mark well no adam's question was if if the offensive line is healthy obviously the offensive line is not there i don't think it matters either way i think you're going to see it because he knows that. Yeah, I mean, you're right, Dave, but it's a different conversation if Carr has his offensive line or at least a semblance of his offensive line
Starting point is 00:38:53 because he can have a little bit more faith in Derek Carr. You know what? I don't want to get off track. Nope, I don't think people are going to really start Derek Carr in this matchup. So let's talk about the... There are really interesting players in this game. There's Josh Jacobs. We'll talk about him both with and without the offensive line, even though we already did. If you want to rewind to that, it was in our injuries, news and notes segment. You can check the time codes. Um, but we'll, we'll just refresh and sit rugs. Yeah. I mean, receiver at best.
Starting point is 00:39:19 You're just taking a shot on, right. It's, it's a boom or bust play because he's not going to get fed targets. It just, he's not that type of receiver yet. Yeah. It's a boom or bust play because he's not going to get fed targets. He's not that type of receiver yet. Yeah. If Michael Thomas is out, Emmanuel Sanders or Ruggs? I would play Sanders either way. Okay. And then Waller, everybody's going to play. So we'll move to the Bucs in just
Starting point is 00:39:37 a moment here, but let's just sum up our thoughts on Josh Jacobs. Now, do I think the Bucs have the best run defense in football? Yes. Do I know it? No, because they've only played one game without Vita Veya. They were incredible against Aaron Jones, but it's still just one game.
Starting point is 00:39:55 And Jones did score. Jones did score, but they were terrific. So you got to keep that in mind. But sum it up. Offensive line plays. Josh Jacobs is what? Five offensive linemen are out. Josh Jacobs is what?
Starting point is 00:40:11 Offensive line plays. Jacobs is a number two running back. Offensive line is all backups. Josh Jacobs is closer to a flex. At least that's what the expectation should be. And I know they don't have Vita Veya anymore in Tampa Bay, but they added Steve McClendon. That guy knows what Todd Bowles
Starting point is 00:40:26 wants. He used to play for Todd Bowles. They're going to have a really nice defense too. Is Ronald Jones better than Jacob Gardless? Yes. So is Justin Jackson. Ronald Jones, here's the note
Starting point is 00:40:42 of the game. USA Today noted that after week five, the last game that the Raiders played, Nick Kwiatkowski, I mentioned him before, linebacker, free agent acquisition, currently ranks as pro football focuses number eight linebacker in the NFL through the first five weeks of the season.
Starting point is 00:40:59 That was before week six. I bring it up because he's played in three games. Their run defense has been so much better in those three games. So this is kind of like a Kwon short sort of deal. I don't think it's, I don't think it's going to, I'm not saying it should change your mind on Ronald Jones. I just want to point it out.
Starting point is 00:41:15 Maybe if they do well against Ronald Jones, we start taking it a little bit more seriously. But tough to get away from him. What do you expect the split to be between Jones and Fournette? Well, I mean, that's assuming Fournette plays. You know, at this point, it's just so hard to count on that. And if I'm the Bucs, why would you mess with Ronald Jones at this point? You know, he's been basically their best offensive player for the better part of the last month. And so, you know,
Starting point is 00:41:38 while he's doing what he's doing, yes, you work Fournette back in because you want him to be a part of your offense and you want him to get, you know, his confidence and his, you know, his legs back, but let him take those LaShawn McCoy, Keyshawn Vaughn touches that we've seen the last couple of weeks and let Rojo do his thing. So he's got top 10 upside this week. I have him as a top 10 running back. I think he's got the potential to be, you know,
Starting point is 00:42:01 if not a hundred yards rushing over a hundred total yards chance to score. So, yeah, I mean, so yeah i mean it's uh it's a great setup for him with what he's been doing so keep four net on the bench and and let rojo run and last note on that the raiders actually give up the most receiving yards per game to running backs and jones only had two targets last week with brady threw only 27 passes so he's pretty involved usually in that aspect dave the passing game tom Brady, we have ranks 12th to 14th. How do you feel about Godwin and Evans and Gronk? Break down the passing game. So I think this is going to be absolutely tied to game script. I don't think Tampa Bay is going to go in there saying, all right, we got to
Starting point is 00:42:39 throw the ball 45 times. And normally for them, it's around around 35 times but if the Raiders can't do anything on offense then the Bucks are probably going to run the clock or run the ball a lot more to grind down the clock and that makes me nervous to start Tom Brady and it doesn't help that Mike Evans and Chris Godwin aren't at 100% and Godwin is admitting to it uh Gronk you have to start just because of the volume what he's been getting the past couple of weeks, the fact that he scored. There aren't a lot of tight ends that are better than Rob Gronkowski at this point. And I think you're going to start Godwin and Evans too,
Starting point is 00:43:13 but they're more number two wide receivers than number one. So if Aitken... And Brady not a top 12 quarterback, sorry. Yeah, but he's close. If Brady, if Aitken is out, would you start Darren Fels or Rob Gronkowski? I believe I have Fels ranked higher. Jamie?
Starting point is 00:43:31 I would go Fels in non-PPR and Gronk in PPR, just based on the targets. Okay. Are you starting Ronald Jones over Chris Godwin or Mike Evans if you could make that decision? Yes. The thing that we've seen, and Dave said this, you know, great. And perfectly is that the bucks, it's just,
Starting point is 00:43:53 I would love to be in Bruce Arians mind during the game because he just wants to call pass plays every time. Like that's just his mindset and it's gotta be killing him that they have a run game. You know what I mean? Obviously he loves it, but you know, I'm sure there's, there's a part of him that's like i have the greatest quarterback ever and i'm not throwing it as much as i did a year ago when i had a train wreck of of of jamis winston by comparison jamis wasn't a train wreck but by comparison to career wise um to what brady
Starting point is 00:44:22 is you know so like he just i'm, would love to just have Brady drop back and throw the ball all over the place in his perfect utopia. But the run game has been fantastic. The defense has been great. They don't have to throw the ball as much. And so while they have all these toys to play with, I don't think they're 100% healthy. They continue to mispractice with Godwin and Evans.
Starting point is 00:44:43 And so it's just tough to trust. And so Evans had his touchdown streak ended last week which was a score in all five games uh the targets have been bad when Godwin's been on the field with him so at some point you got to hope that we see the best of what this passing game could be and the closest we got to that was Denver their last time going out west so maybe that's something you hang your hat on but I just don't think that the Raiders are going to put up that much of a fight at the offensive line is what it is. And the run game doing what it's doing for the,
Starting point is 00:45:10 for the bucks. So Brady's not a slam dunk start. But what about it? I mean, give me some wide receivers that you might start over at Godwin Evans. So you guys like Godwin better than Evans, but you started. I'd start Claypool over both of them.
Starting point is 00:45:22 I would start Robbie Anderson over both of them. If James Crowder plays, I start him over both of them. I would start Robbie Anderson over both of them. If James Crowder plays, I'd start him over both of them in PPR for sure. The other guys are probably more must-start type of players at this point. Obviously, Terry McLaurin, you're starting over him, over them. A.J. Brown, if he plays, you're starting him over them. Those type of guys. I think you just have to view evans is is very much like juju at this point except he's scoring where juju is not you know
Starting point is 00:45:50 just the targets aren't there and the production is not there are they top 15 receivers rest of season uh i hope so i hope so too and here's the problem like i i think the chance to sell high on either one of them has passed. I was thinking just now about, well, what can I get in trade for these guys? And I don't know if they're going to be very popular names still in trade blocks. Nobody wants Mike Evans.
Starting point is 00:46:16 I think he's a buy low. Oh, I would say they're absolutely much more buy low than sell high. If you can buy low, absolutely. But they're in that weird purgatory where people who have them don't want to give them up for nothing and people who want to get them don't want to give up anything decent to go and get them right people aren't giving them away but you know if you can put some sort of packs together where you're getting them as a throw-in uh that's the type of thing you want to do. That would be amazing that you can get them as a throw-in.
Starting point is 00:46:47 Well, it's more so Evans and Godwin. I don't think anybody's giving up Godwin yet because of the hope. They shouldn't. I think he's going to be better. Once he gets healthy, I think he'll end up being better than Evans. Yep. All right, guys, at the Rams, here we go. Stat of the game, Allen Robinson leads wide receivers and targets, and yet he is 23rd in non-PPR and 17th in PPR on a per-game basis.
Starting point is 00:47:05 Very disappointing, but he's still having a nice year. But boy, he's got a tough matchup this week and potentially next week against New Orleans. Then Allen Robinson's schedule is just beautiful. So you might have a buy-low situation if he has a bad game against Jalen Ramsey. Anyway, in this game, I'll just ask you some questions, some easy, some hard. Which quarterback do you like better, Goff or Foles?
Starting point is 00:47:29 Goff. Still Goff, but this has under written all over it, like low scoring game between these two teams. Which DST do you like better? The Rams, but it's close. Who is the best running back in this game? I'll take Montgomery. Montgomery is the best running back in this game? I'll take Montgomery. Montgomery is the best one for me, and I agree on the Rams defense.
Starting point is 00:47:51 Montgomery is the best fantasy running back. I don't know if he's the best running back in this game. The best running back may not touch the ball. Who is the best tight end in this game? Best tight end? Yes. Jimmy Graham. Again, fantasy tight end.
Starting point is 00:48:05 Yeah, that's what I mean. Who is the best fantasy wide receiver in this game? Robinson. Still Robinson. I've gone back and forth. They're literally back and forth in my rankings. His targets will still be there compared to who knows what Woods gets. And I do like the fact that Woods is chirping a little bit.
Starting point is 00:48:27 And Cooper Cup. I wonder if this is the game where they go to Cup, try and make amends for last week. They might. Not that I love him. I think he's more of a flex this week. I think Woods is a low-end starter. This is the way I have it ranked.
Starting point is 00:48:43 Woods is in the 20 to 24 range, depending on format. Cup is behind him in the 24 to 30 range, depending on format. And Robinson is right around 15. So the Bears defense is obviously good. But the one thing that gave me a little more hope for Cup and Woods was there has not – I don't think there's been one good wide receiver but the one thing that gave me a little more hope for Cup and Woods was there has not, I don't think there's been one good wide receiver that has struggled against
Starting point is 00:49:10 the Bears. They did not face Kenny Galladay. They did not face Julio Jones, or if they did, he was, that was the game you left. They did not face Chris Godwin. So it's like,
Starting point is 00:49:22 but they did face Calvin Ridley. And didn't he have a 100 yards against him? He had a less than optimal game for him. All of his numbers I believe came when Julio was on the field and I think he was bad when Julio was off the field. Okay, he had 100 yards. Mike Evans
Starting point is 00:49:38 had five catches, 41 yards and a touchdown. Who's the best wide receiver that they shut down? Darius Slayton? So I'm sure they have a good defense. But it's not just about shutting them down. They're just keeping teams out of the end zone. No, I know.
Starting point is 00:49:52 I know. But I don't think it's like a matchup of death, basically. Like DJ Moore had a good game. Robbie Anderson hit 77 yards on five targets. Yeah, I think that's what you're going to get from these guys. Like if they don't score, that's what you're looking at, which is good. It's not great.
Starting point is 00:50:07 Whereas the Rams give up the fewest fantasy points to wide receivers. So you guys have Robinson 16th in non-PPR for Jamie, 18th in PPR. I might have switched that. And about, okay, look, about 16 to 20 for the two of you. He's not in his usual top 12. Right. Yeah. Because Ramsey is. If you're going to tell me like the the the number of
Starting point is 00:50:27 targets for the top three guys robinson woods and cup i'm gonna say it's 10 for robinson six to eight for woods and six to eight for cup yeah okay so are there any like lower end wide receivers maybe in higher scoring games that you would consider starting over? Kirk over Kup. Kirk over Kup. Okay. Cooks over Kup. Cooks over both. Cooks over everyone for me. Okay. I would have started Fulgham over Kup. I would have started
Starting point is 00:50:55 T. Higgins over Kup. C. The Lamb over Kup. Okay. Then how about Darrell Henderson and David Montgomery? How would you compare them to the wide receivers in this game? They're both. How would I compare them to the wide receivers? I think I'd probably rather start.
Starting point is 00:51:13 Would I really start both of them over the wide receivers and non PPR PPR? It's different. I'll start the receivers, but in non PPR, it's going to be really close. And I think they're both number two guys this week. You don't have a choice anymore. Daryl Anderson,
Starting point is 00:51:25 like the Rams have told you Montgomery over all of them. I was in non PPR. Yeah. I think in both formats, PPR. Cause he's so involved. I like Montgomery better in PPR than non PPR. So I would start Montgomery over them in both because this just feels like a
Starting point is 00:51:40 game where if they get touchdowns from the receivers, you're lucky more so than expected. So I would start Montgomery over the receivers in all formats. I would start Henderson over the receivers in non PPR. And I would start Robinson over Henderson and PPR, but Henderson over his receiving teammates. Okay. For Montgomery, the Rams pretty good against the run, but six most receiving yards per game of the running backs. Eight running backs have 20 or more receiving yards. Five running backs have 30 or more receiving yards against the Rams,
Starting point is 00:52:14 so an opportunity there. And the Bears throw the ball a lot, despite having a good defense. I mean, they throw, throw, throw. It's a little strange. Maybe they just don't have confidence in their run game. Start us at Jimmy Graham. Low end
Starting point is 00:52:29 desperation type of tight end. You're hoping he finds the end zone. Yep. Better non-PPR than PPR. Okay. That's probably the case for Daryl Henderson as well. He has only seven catches this season. Would you start Daryl Henderson or how about T. Higgins?
Starting point is 00:52:48 Higgins and PPR. Daryl Henderson or Jarek McKinnon? Henderson. Henderson. Okay. Wide receivers are starters. Maybe won't have their best games, but they're starters and don't start Higby.
Starting point is 00:53:04 Bears DST is top 12. Rams DST is higher than that. Second for Jamie and Heath. Seventh for Dave. Dallas at Washington. I probably could find a stat of the game, but I repeated one from last week and it was that Washington gives up big plays. They've allowed six pass plays
Starting point is 00:53:20 of 40 plus yards. Tied for the most in the NFL. They allowed a 23 yard touchdown pass at Darius Slayton last week. I've got Michael Gallup in my fan dual lineup. Oh yeah. He's yeah. He's due dropped a touchdown last week, but for the Cowboys,
Starting point is 00:53:36 that was the most excited. I've heard anybody talk about Michael Gallup in the last month that I was going for the Cowboys. Congratulations. I'm thinking Gallup is probably the only really difficult decision here. But where do you guys have him ranked? Not in my top 48.
Starting point is 00:53:53 Oh, wow. Because I know you have Dalton outside your top 20. He's in my top 48. I can't trust the targets for him. Yeah, I get that. I mean, I've said this several times this week it's a good week for wide receivers so that's part of it um but again you know you're just seeing what the target share is for him and he's had some unfortunate drops last week against the cardinals so i i'm worried about
Starting point is 00:54:18 dalton surviving this game because that pass rush with that offense line you know the raiders are forced potentially not to have their offensive line because of a COVID situation the Cowboys are just completely beaten up all five starters originally are hurt and so this could be terrible for that offense yeah so why so confident in I guess not so confident in Lamb uh yeah no no, not so confident in Cooper or Lamb. They're number two, number three wide receivers. The football team allows the fewest fantasy points to wide receivers. I think only Marquise Brown is more than 71 yards against them. Hopkins was fine. He wasn't great.
Starting point is 00:54:59 Slayton, 41 yards and a touchdown. Kup was bad. Cleveland receivers were bad. This is not a great matchup on paper. So, yeah, tell me about Cooper and Lamb. Lowered expectations. We knew it going into last week's game that you shouldn't expect them to have a big game.
Starting point is 00:55:16 And they were terrible, terrible for the first three quarters. And it took garbage time for Cooper to find the end zone, for Lamb to put together a salvageable game in PPR. It might be worse than that this week. Yeah, and Jamie won't trade me Lamb for Daryl Henderson in a PPR league. That's weird. I don't know why you'd be excited to make that deal. He gets a lot of catches.
Starting point is 00:55:37 He has five catches every week. And Henderson is seven for the season. I'd rather have the running back. Who do you think is going to score more points rest of the season in PPR? In PPR? Land, easy. And Henderson could be...
Starting point is 00:55:50 I mean, if he's hurt. That's true. That's true. Right. So, obviously, if he ends up missing the game, that changes the entire equation. So, there you go. Take out McKissick and give me Akers,
Starting point is 00:56:01 and we'll have a deal. Dalton Schultz outside. No, he's like around 12th. It's okay. Jared Cook or Dalton? I'd rather start Cook. I would rather start Cook also there. Kyle Allen.
Starting point is 00:56:19 Antonio Gibson. Would you start Antonio Gibson over Amari Cooper? In non-PPR, yes. I'm not there. I think McKissick is so bad against the run. It's true, but McKissick is taking a big chunk of the playing time. He's not
Starting point is 00:56:36 bad. He has not played bad at all. He's got speed through the holes and he's running on the edges better than Gibson has been. This is a timeshare for sure. He's six to eight carries. It seems JD McKissick. That's the ceiling.
Starting point is 00:56:52 Yeah. But Gibson has, doesn't have any more than 13 carries in any game. Again, this is, this is a game. I think they're going to actually be competitive and maybe playing with the lead.
Starting point is 00:57:00 So I think Gibson's got a shot. He also has three to five catches in four straight games. So keep that in mind. And he's their touchdown. Gibson does. McKissick has more. Yeah, Gibson does. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're used the same way almost.
Starting point is 00:57:12 But are you worried about that, Dave, that for some reason the Cowboys are great against pass-catching running backs? I'm a little worried about it, but it's just what Washington has to do to try and gain yardage. It's more, it's not about the matchup as much as it is what's Washington going to do
Starting point is 00:57:30 otherwise. Yeah. Who else are you going to throw to basically? Yeah. And it also comes down to, can they have success running the football? And if they can in this matchup, then that would,
Starting point is 00:57:42 that would help Gibson. The weird, the weird one though, for that is the Browns game because they had no catches from the running backs in the Browns game. Right. Yeah, it's weird. You wonder if that was just the offense?
Starting point is 00:57:53 Were there a lot of targets? How many targets did the Browns have in that game? They had one. Right. So they decided not to. Maybe when a team is so bad against wide receivers that teams don't feel the need to throw to their running backs. Most targets that they've seen, though, is four.
Starting point is 00:58:11 So it can't just be that every team is deciding not to throw to their running backs against them. That's probably, you know, their linebackers are getting coverage. Maybe. Okay. And how about Terry McLaurin? I didn't even ask you about Terry. Terry McLaurin is going to be, like, please, just light it up. Huge game, Terry McLaurin? I don't even have to ask you about Terry. Terry McLaurin is going to be, like, please, just light it up. Huge game, Terry McLaurin. Top 14 for everybody in both formats.
Starting point is 00:58:31 Carolina at New Orleans. Potentially misleading stat of the game. This feels like a little fluky. DJ Moore has three games with nine or more targets. Those are Carolina's three losses. In their three wins, he has four to six targets. So that's kind of interesting. It's weird.
Starting point is 00:58:48 It's not exactly tied to Bridgewater's pass attempts, though. It's not like Bridgewater's automatically throwing more in losses than wins. That's why I thought it felt a little fluky. But when they lose three games, nine or more targets in each game for DJ Moore, I think they're going to lose, personally. It felt like they were trying to get DJ Moore way more involved last week. And almost like to try and bring their targets between Moore and Anderson to even.
Starting point is 00:59:18 They really did not go to Robbie Anderson very much. I noticed in the game, the first half, Robbie was barely involved. And then they started throwing him a little bit more, but it was DJ Moore that kept getting open and certainly kept getting targets. Yeah, and he was apparently wide open for a touchdown. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:36 He should have had a much, much bigger game, and if he had, then everybody would be starting him, and it wouldn't even be a question. So are we starting DJ Moore? Are we starting Robbie Anderson? Yep. I am. I like Robbie still as a top 15 type of wide receiver, DJ more and PPR is still top 24. Yeah. Just outside for me. But again, it's a good week for wide receivers. Amari Cooper, DJ more.
Starting point is 00:59:57 I still start Cooper. I think I have Cooper ranked ahead of more Carolina's defense. Keep an eye on Dante Jackson cornerback. He's been limited in practice. Why are you not higher on Teddy Bridgewater against the team that's giving up the second most fantasy points to quarterbacks? And it's a revenge game. Good call.
Starting point is 01:00:17 I don't know who you're going to start him over. That's the thing. You know, it's like, is he better than the guy across from him? If Michael Thomas is there, you make that case. Is he better than Brady in a from him? If Michael Thomas is there, you can make that case. Is he better than Brady in a game where they can run the ball? That's what I was about to ask. The way you talked about Brady earlier. You can make that case for sure.
Starting point is 01:00:32 I'm starting Burrow over him. I'm starting Herbert over him. That's an easy one. Minshew? No, I would start him over Minshew. What if A.J. Brown doesn't play? Tannehill or Bridgewater? I'm starting him over Tannehill already. So I just think there's more upside as opposed
Starting point is 01:00:46 to Tannehill facing the Steelers. I can't do that yet. I have Minshew out of Bridgewater as of now. Okay, Bridgewater. Yeah, he's like... Well, I don't know where he is in your rankings, Jamie, because I'm seeing it 19th. Is he higher than that? Yeah. Okay. 20th
Starting point is 01:01:02 for Dave, 16th for Heath. He could end up as one of those quarterbacks who you'll feel okay starting, certainly as a bi-week replacement and ahead of, just if circumstances turn out, ahead of quarterbacks that are in unideal situations. The Brady, the Carr, not that Brady's situation's bad, just the game script is not expected to be good for him.
Starting point is 01:01:23 Tannehill, if he doesn't have A.J. Brown, that makes the matchup even harder. Is there any hesitation to start Mike Davis in this matchup? No. Yes, if I have Alvin Kamara and Aaron Jones. Okay, that's fine. What about David Johnson or Mike Davis? I'll go Davis still.
Starting point is 01:01:41 Okay. By the way, guess who leads the Panthers in red zone and green zone inside the 10 yard line targets. What's the green zone. It's inside the 10 yard line. I just told you. Sorry. Mike Dave.
Starting point is 01:01:53 Correct. Very good. I think I kind of led you into that answer. Yes. Okay. We talked about the wide receivers at this game. All right. Drew Brees with him without Mike Thomas.
Starting point is 01:02:04 How do you feel? Mike Thomas? Michael Thomas? Your pal's with him. You're on a Michael basis with him. We're going to start Kamara, and Sanders is like a number three receiver, but Drew Brees, starter set. Low-end starter if Thomas is there.
Starting point is 01:02:19 In the mix of top 15 quarterbacks if Thomas is out. Tom Brady, 10 points. Herbert, 16 points. Kyler Murray, 28 points, but he had 78 rushing yards. Matt Ryan, 7 points. Carolina giving up the fourth fewest fantasy points to quarterbacks. It's so weird.
Starting point is 01:02:38 It's weird. I can't put my finger on why it's happening. Their defense had a lot of good talent on it, and then they started to get hurt, and they're still finding a way to do it. I mean, the Matt Ryan game, I don't think he had Julio. So I can understand why he had a bad game against them, and Kyler was okay against them.
Starting point is 01:02:56 In the first two weeks of the season, everybody ran on them because there was no Kwon Short. Yeah. And that's pretty much it for this game. So, again, just to reiterate how high would you rank emmanuel sanders if michael thomas is out top 30 and jared cook jared cook or jared cook or austin hooper i'll go cook I will take Cook in non-PPR, but Hooper in PPR. And as you pointed out, Adam,
Starting point is 01:03:28 the biggest disparity you've ever seen for tight ends is Austin Hooper in PPR versus non-PPR in my rankings. Okay, Jared Cook or... Hurst. I will take Hurst in both. I currently have Cook out of Hurst in both. All currently have Cook at it first in both. All right, we got two more games left. I almost feel like we can lump them in.
Starting point is 01:03:50 Detroit at Atlanta and Seattle, Arizona. Start everyone not named Marvin Jones. Yeah, well, not necessarily Adrian Peterson, right? Probably not at all. I would prefer to avoid him, but he has scored in two straight. That's what you're counting on. You hope he scores and maybe 30 yards on top of it. He'll get you three or he'll get you nine.
Starting point is 01:04:19 I forgot your answer, Ryan or Stafford. Matt. Ryan or Rodgers. Rodgers.gers i said matt they're both mats oh i don't know yeah you said that and i well one's a matthew yeah i listened to uh matthew mcconaughey was on howard stern i don't know if he's yesterday or not but matthew was telling a story that somebody when he was a kid called him Matt and he answered to him and his mom hit him and said your name is Matthew whoa geez my mom tried doing that with me and it did not work my mom took me for riding our Lincoln we didn't we drove a Lincoln way before it was way
Starting point is 01:04:58 he told me you're Matthew okay so that was your mcconaughey impersonation yeah lincoln commercial i was driving long before anyone ever told me or ever paid me to do it i didn't i didn't know i just thought it was cool all right anyway um maybe it's me i don't think that's how was it how was it it was good okay that was bane is better a two out of ten. Your Bane is amazing. Your Obama is amazing. I had an Obama impression? You've done an Obama impression before. Folks, I don't know.
Starting point is 01:05:33 I can't do impressions anymore. I used to be okay. All right, let's do... You don't say. What's your favorite McConaughey character? The only one I do is the Lincoln guy. Lincoln guy? Lincoln commercial.
Starting point is 01:05:45 The Lincoln lawyer. All right the Lincoln guy Lincoln guy? The Lincoln lawyer Alright, you do Lincoln commercial I'll do Waterboy, ready? I don't want to do this anymore, I can't do impressions on the spot No, no, no, you do it You just did one on the spot, it was miserable It has to be organic If I'm pressured, I lost
Starting point is 01:06:00 I don't mind hearing Waterboy I love that impression Are there any sleepers in the Atlanta-Detroit game? I lost. I don't mind hearing water, boy. I love that impression. Are there any sleepers in the Atlanta-Detroit game? I guess you can call Russell Gage if you still want to buy into him. He can get you 12 PPR. He could, but it's been a disappearing accident too. Right, right, right.
Starting point is 01:06:20 He doesn't have the upside factor anymore. Is he a better sleeper than Danny Amendola or Marvin Jones? He's on par with Jones. If Jones plays, he's ahead of Amendola. Yeah, I would say he's better than those guys, but that's not necessarily an indication of him. That's more an indication of those guys. And give me your projected stats for DeAndre Swift. 65 rushing yards, 38 receiving yards, and a touchdown. Hawkinson is a must-start.
Starting point is 01:06:51 Falcons give up the second-most fantasy points to tight ends. They stink. You know what's funny? They haven't allowed a touchdown to a tight end in two games, and they are still second in fantasy points allowed to the position. And have still allowed the most touchdowns to tight ends to the position. And Hurst is, you know, like Detroit allows the third fewest points to tight ends, but they've only faced two decent ones, Jared Cook and Jimmy Graham and Tunyon.
Starting point is 01:07:13 And both of them scored, but only had 25 yards. All right. Seattle and Arizona. Which quarterback you like better? Russ. Russ. But Kyler's number two. Yeah. In my rankings. They my rankings. They're one and two
Starting point is 01:07:27 in your rankings. Chris Carson's top seven in both formats. Metcalf, I talked about they've got a great game plan to stop them, they say. So we'll see. Good luck. Are you confident in Tyler Lockett? Yeah. The
Starting point is 01:07:43 upside is wide receiver one on the week. You've got to start somebody who could be the best receiver in fantasy in a given week. And even if he doesn't hit that, he could get you 80 and a touch. If they're going to be so focused to take away DK Metcalf, Lockett should have a huge game. You also have the storyline that's hanging over their heads is a potential star is coming to join their team.
Starting point is 01:08:07 And so does this motivate them to say we don't need Antonio Brown because we're amazing? Now, I'm sure they want him because most players like to have good players on their team. But it's also they're taking essentially money off their plate by bringing in Antonio Brown because their stats are going to decline if he does what Antonio Brown is capable of doing. So I'm sure there's going to be some additional added incentive to play well. And by the way, I just... Now it's the spotlight game. It is the spotlight game. I noticed, or I took away from that quote that you read earlier in the pod, Adam,
Starting point is 01:08:40 that they're just going to play zone. They can't go man-to-man coverage and blitz Russell Wilson. That's what they did last week against Andy Dalton. That made sense. Yeah, but if you play zone, then you leave yourself more vulnerable to the running quarterback. No, that's if you play man. You leave yourself more vulnerable. Because your
Starting point is 01:08:57 cornerbacks are turned around. Right. You can't see them. So I think zone keeps everybody in front of them. They're going to hope that they just bend and not break. A ton of defenses in the NFL play that. Seattle plays that way. Okay, but here's the thing. Even if they're playing zone, they could still have Patrick Peterson line up on DK Metcalf.
Starting point is 01:09:14 They could. There's no man principles in a zone defense. Of course, that's true. I don't know for sure if they've done that this year. Okay, Christian Kirk. They might have. Christian Kirk. this year. Okay, Christian Kirk. They might have. Christian Kirk. Jamie's quite confident in Christian Kirk.
Starting point is 01:09:30 Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't do this without any fear here. Where is he ranked? 25, I think. 25, 34. I got him lower. Yeah, well, not as low as Heath. Yeah, no, he's an excellent wide receiver three he's an excellent flex i wrote about him on on starts and sits sleepers and bus i think he can be i think
Starting point is 01:09:53 he'd be good i wish he had more targets coming into the game yeah i think he's a great start this week uh i have him as a start and start him said i think it's just one of those guys that you look at and say they didn't have to throw as much as they're going to have to throw this week. I still don't buy the Seattle secondary. Yes, Adam, they did not fare as poorly as they had early in the season when they were
Starting point is 01:10:12 facing some mediocre quarterbacks of late, but now they're facing a good quarterback. And so I think you're going to see Kyler Murray have the opportunity to lean on Christian Kirk. His targets were up prior to last week. So, you know, it's kind of like a reverse.
Starting point is 01:10:24 The targets were up and the production was down by comparison. The targets were down and the production was prior to last week. So, you know, it's kind of like a reverse. The targets were up and the production was down. By comparison, the targets were down and the production was way up last week. So this is, I think, a game where you sort of marry the two and you get a very good game for Christian Kirk, which should be north of 12 PPR points, which is going to put him in the range of a top 24 guy. Okay, well, he's not my fan to line up, so, you know.
Starting point is 01:10:41 Should be. Great price. Yeah, very good. And be interesting to see. Yeah, I mean, I think not my fan to line up, so, you know. Should be. Great price. Yeah, very good. And it'll be interesting to see. Yeah, I mean, I think if he has a big game, you're going to hold him through his bye. Miami, Buffalo, Seattle, three games after the bye. Miami not so bad against wide receivers, but all right. We have plenty to talk about that.
Starting point is 01:10:56 If you want to hear about Kenyon Drake, rewind the podcast. He's tough this week. You know, there's a potential there for Kenyan Drake to struggle in this game. We had a, basically a whole segment about it. So check it out in the time code and we'll, and you know, hear the discussion.
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