Fantasy Football Today - Super Bowl 59 Preview & Dynasty Debates: Chiefs vs Eagles (Fantasy Football Dynasty Podcast 2/7)

Episode Date: February 8, 2025

Join Heath Cummings and special guest Sam Wagman as they break down Super Bowl 59 with a Dynasty-focused perspective on the Chiefs and Eagles! First, Sam shares his Super Bowl pick (4:00), followed by a debate on (10:38) Patrick Mahomes vs Jalen Hurts. The guys then dive deep into each team's skill positions, analyzing (15:40) running backs, wide receivers (24:27), and tight ends (34:10). Finally, they wrap up by answering your most pressing fantasy questions. (44:50) Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday SUBSCRIBE to FFT Express on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-express/id1528634304 Follow FFT Express on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6qyGWfETSBFaciPrtvoWCC?si=6529cbee20634da8 SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179 FOLLOW FFT Dynasty on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1 SUBSCRIBE to FFT DFS on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dfs/id1579415837 FOLLOW FFT DFS on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5zU7pBvGK3KPhfb69Q1hNr?si=1c5030a3b1a64be2 Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." Visit the betting arena on CBSSports.com for all the latest sportsbook reviews and sportsbook promos. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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welcome to fantasy football today dynasty I am your host Heath Cummings joined today by Sam Wagman and we have a Super Bowl spectacular for you. Sam is an Eagles fan and so he probably hates my guts right now. But like me, he's feeling the stress of how in the world we have to wait two weeks between championship games and the Super Bowl. This has been the longest two weeks ever. Sam, welcome back. Tell everybody where they can find your work. Well, you guys can find me on Twitter at swagman95 and then over at football guys, you know, doing

plenty of fantasy football and betting stuff over there. But yeah, it has been a very long couple weeks. I'm happy it's Friday. I'm happy. You know, now we get, you know, one one and a half more days and then we have the Super Bowl in coming Sunday night because I know you as a chief fan probably feel no stress at all whatsoever given the fact that you have been two and over the past two years, but I definitely have a little bit of stress right now. Yeah. No, I think there's, there's definitely stress because this is like, nobody's done this before. They go get a, they'll get a three Pete. And I, like, I've also felt a little bit, and I don't know if you get this, it feels like people are trying to discount the greatness of these two teams. Like the chiefs aren't really as

good as their record. Everybody's always trying to discount Jalen Hurts accomplishments and not viewing him as good as he's been. Nick Sirianni, people wanted to fire him earlier this year. I was just looking at this and I sent a tweet out and I think it's gotta be correct. 34 combined wins in the regular season and playoffs

for these two teams. One way or another, it's going to be 35 on Sunday night. That has to be a record. This is a matchup of two teams that have lost a combined five games. And at least one of those games, they didn't care if they lost. And I think this is going to be right. Yeah. And I almost think this is a better matchup than what we had in 2022 as well, you know, given how good these two teams were in those in that season. So

I'm just hoping for a great matchup between the between these two teams. Once again, you know, I begrudgingly have respected the Chiefs as they've gone on this run, even though through this season they have looked at, the most vulnerable they have in the past couple of seasons for sure. And kind of that's probably due to a little bit of the homes kind of just not having all of the magic.

And I feel like the Chiefs have kind of just become the Lakers of the NFL, kind of just sleepwalking through and just trying to get to the playoffs and the Warriors. And you know, those teams that have kind of just sleptwalked through the regular seasons and just turned it up when they need to. And you know, we see that of these great teams and these dynasties, they do what they need to do to get to the big show. And then once they get to the big show, they really turn it up. So we've definitely seen that from the Chiefsies playoffs. I'm just hoping the Eagles match them. the other thing that I noticed as we were getting ready for this is these two teams are very interesting for dynasty purposes. Mahomes and Jalen Hurts, two of the top quarterbacks in dynasty. Saquon Barkley may be the number one running back going into next year, but also at that age where we have concerns. The chiefs wide receivers of Xavier Worthy and Rushy Rice, and which one of

those do you prefer? Travis Kelsey's potential retirement, AJ Brown, like there's a lot of pieces here. So we are going to talk about those guys. We are going to rank the Chiefs and Eagles players in dynasty and of course break down the most important assets on each team. But we always start with three questions for our guest. Put you on the spot, Sam, right at the top. Who wins the Super Bowl and why? Just put you on the spot, Sam, right at the top. Who wins the Super Bowl and why? Well, you know, obviously it'll sound biased, but I do think the Eagles won the Super Bowl. I think they're apart from just being the better team on paper because when it comes down to it, the defense, the Eagles have been a top, you know, top three to five defense

in the league offense. The Eagles have been almost drastically more efficient when it comes to scoring points than the Chiefs have been all season. Everything points to the Eagles on paper. And obviously Patrick Mahomes is the great equalizer in that, you know, whatever any other team can do, Mahomes can match you or do better because he just,

he gets it done whatever he has to it's Tom Brady-esque in that you could never count him out when you know the game was within one score and he had the ball last and the Patriots were just going to drive down the field because that's what they did and that's what he did and that's so far what we have seen from Patrick Mahomes whenever he needs needs to, he does deliver. And that is the great equalizer. But the reason I think the Eagles will win this game is because we have heard quite a few times this week from Eagles personnel, from Eagles affiliated media, that everything the Eagles have done over the past two seasons has been to counteract the Chiefs loss in 2022 in the Super Bowl.

Every single move they made on offense, on defense, coaching wise, everything has been made with the specific goal in mind that if they got the Chiefs in a rematch in the Super Bowl, that they were going to be ready and they were not going to make the same mistakes that they made the first time around. And because that game was so close and because the margin of barrier were so razor thin that it basically came down to a, you know, a Jalen Hurts freak fumble that almost will never happen and the very controversial call on Juju Smith Schuster and James Bradbury. I don't remember that call. No, no, you don't? Okay. I don't remember that call. No, no, you don't?

Okay. I don't remember it at all. Ah, okay. Yeah, okay. Because it was such a razor thin margin of error, I feel like if the changes that the Eagles have made, seemingly on purpose, since that loss come through and they clean up the game there is not a

scenario where I think the Eagles can feasibly lose this game if they play the way that they want to play love the confidence there what is your failure you mentioned it earlier like you you do a lot more gambling content than I do what's your favorite prop bet for this week if you're if you're okay with giving that out here. Of course. Um, so I took it earlier in the week. My favorite prop bet has been honestly since the beginning of last week, Dallas Goddard, I took it to over 46 and a half receiving yards. It's now up to 52 and a half. I still like it there because I took a receiving yards ladder on him all the way up to 80. I think Goddard will end up being one of the unsung heroes

of this game just because he's not gonna garner the attention that the other Eagles receiving threats and Saquon are gonna garner from this Chiefs defense. They've been awful at defending tight ends all season. They gave up 73 receiving yards per game to the precision. They gave up 63 yards to Dalton Schultz in the first round of the playoffs. And Goddard has, to his own credit, been really, really good since he came back from injury

at the end of the year, 85 yards, 56 yards, 47 yards, 55 yards again. So he's hit that 46 and a half yard prop every single time. So that's one of my favorite props. And then on the Chiefs side, I really liked Juju Smith- Schuster. Like we said, he played a huge role in the 2022 Super Bowl. He had two catches for 60 yards against the Bills. He's that guy over the middle of the field. And if the Eagles have a weakness, it has been to defend the middle of the field because since the Kobe Dean went down, they're kind of without a coverage monster in their linebacker core. Zach Vaughn is great, but he's only one guy. Reid Blankenship's looked a little bit slow at times.

Oren Birx has been good in kind of relief coverage of Dean, but he's a backup. He's not going to be the one that you want defending the middle of the field, Kelsey and Juju and all these kind of slot-esque guys that the Chiefs have to just run up the middle of the field. And Patrick Mahomes has been the best quarterback against middle of the field open coverage. So all of those kind of just link towards, you know, a spot where the Chiefs are going to play their advantages as much as they can.

And I think Juju is gonna be one of those advantages just like he was in the first Superbowl. Well, I have a little bit of fun with this last one. Where are you currently at on the Chiefs hatred scale? And how much will that change this weekend if the Chiefs wins Superbowl? I'm not as high as a lot of other people on the Chiefs, you know, hatred meter.

I would probably say out of 10, I'm probably at a four and a half. Like I, I, I vastly in between just boredom with the Chiefs being, you know, as good as they are and kind of just appreciating the greatness that we get to see. Like I'm a football fan at my purest of pure. I'm a football fan.

I appreciate watching good football. It's why I watch almost every single game, no matter whether I have action or a fantasy matchup on it, because I just enjoy the sport. And I don't feel that way about any other sport except for golf. And I could go off on a tangent about that, but I won't at this time,

because this is a Super Bowl and dynasty show. And I just love football. So, you know, I can appreciate why people are sick of the Chiefs, especially the, you know, the extraneous circumstances surrounding them, the refs, Taylor Swift, all the other stuff that like surrounds them that isn't quite football. And to some degree, I can understand, and I do kind of feel similarly to that and that I'm a little bit sick of the conversation around that, but I

appreciate the chiefs and I appreciate good football. So, you know, for that, for that measure, I can't hate the chiefs. Um, you know, I can't hate any team except the Cowboys just because I can appreciate good football and the Cowboys are not a good football team. Let's take a short break and then we'll get into the dynasty value of the Eagles and the chiefs. Let's take a short break and then we'll get into the dynasty value of the Eagles and the Chiefs. Got that Masters commercial in there just for Sam.

He's excited about that. I didn't want to break this down, just kind of position. Let's start with the most important position in football. Not always the most important position in fantasy, but the quarterbacks. Patrick Mahomes, really a down year from a fantasy perspective. Although we did average 24 fantasy points per game in the second half of the year. So showed the life again, like you said, it seemed like for three and a half quarters, you're kind of bored with the chiefs. It seems like Patrick Mahomes has been bored at times, but when he needed to go score a touchdown,

he went and scored a touchdown. Jalen hurts. If you look at his fantasy production, it's a little bit skewed by the fact he had that partial game. He was for the most of the year, the top five fantasy quarterback that he's been for the last three years. So when you look at Mahomes versus Hurts in dynasty, and Mahomes is two years older than Jalen Hurts, 29 and 27 going into next year, which one do you prefer? in next year? Which one do you prefer? I think I have to prefer Jalen Hurts simply because, you know, we talk about Russian quarterbacks kind of going down a little bit earlier because, you know, it wears down their legs and all that. But Mahomes has had ankle injury after ankle injury after ankle injury as well. So we can't pretend that even though he doesn't run as much as Jalen, that he's not,

you know, prone to these injuries, possibly shortening his career as well. And he doesn't, he doesn't have the same production on the ground that Jalen has. So from a dynasty fantasy perspective, how could I not, you know, prefer Jalen hurts at this point, because it seems like the chiefs are just content to moneyball their way through wide receivers and, you know, prefer Jalen Hurts at this point, because it seems like the Chiefs are just content to moneyball their way through wide receivers and, you know, offensive personnel to the point where it's kind of just the onus is on the homes to do his superhero schtick, basically the same way that Tom Brady drags lacrosse players and, you know, scrappy, scrappy, you know, white gym rats, you know, to fantasy greatness and Super Bowls throughout his entire career.

So I think we're destined to almost see Mahomes do kind of the same thing. And for that reason, Mahomes is a solid fantasy option, but he's not the top five option that he could possibly be at a ceiling. But I think Jalen Hurts is because he's going to continue to have that high rushing ceiling. The tush pushes there. He runs the ball nine to 10 times a game. He can rack up 50 yards easily on the ground and he's throwing the ball more in this new system and he has the wide receivers and the receiving talent to rack up these bigger numbers. So while I think that Mahomes is always going to be a guy that's like inside the top 10, I don't know if he has any higher ceiling

than maybe QB six on any given year because of the fact that he just doesn't possess that 30 point ceiling that you get with the Russian quarterback. So I think for that reason, I would rather still have Jalen Hurts. The concussions slightly worry me as they should, you know, just for about any football player at this point.

But we haven't seen the Holmes have the, you know, not an obviously knock on wood as I say this, but we haven't seen him have any of those leg or ankle issues really popping up consistently so far throughout his career? I will say, first off, I think the answer to this question is probably do you play in a league that rewards four points or six points per pass touchdown? I have the Homes at QB4 and Jalen Hurts at QB6 in dynasty, but all of our rankings at CBS are based on six point per pass touchdown leagues. If it was a four point per pass touchdown league, I would prefer Hertz over my homes. The only other thing I'd push back on is, I think we saw this through Tom Brady's career.

A lull of a couple of years where the guy keeps winning, but doesn't produce a lot of great fantasy production. Then we get lulled into thinking, he doesn't really have the ability to go out and produce huge numbers. And then Brady throws for 4,850 touchdowns after a couple of down years. So I don't really doubt if the chiefs go through a stretch where maybe the defense gets banged up and the defense isn't very good through where my homes

could still do that, but I do think that you'll probably have these years mixed in where he's a low end QB1. Whereas Hertz probably doesn't have as long to be a fantasy star, but he's going to be more consistently in the top five. And to that point, I think both of these guys will be better in terms of fantasy points per game in 2025 than they were in 2024. Although you do have to worry a little bit with Jalen Hurts. Kellen Moore, now the top candidate for the Saints, maybe he will decide not to take that because it's an awful job and I don't know why anybody would.

But if he leaves, it's yet another offensive coordinator change for Jalen Hurts. And we have seen that negatively impact him, like we did, I think, in the second half of last year. At the running back position, I don't know that there is a more interesting question in fantasy football going into next year as how much or how do we react to Saquon and Derek Henry and some of these other older running backs seemingly changing the math at running back. It used to be you got to 28 years old, man, we don't want that guy in dynasty anymore. It used to be you got an old running back changing teams, man, that guy's going to take a step back. These guys just flip that on their head completely. But I guess my question is, is Saquon so good this year that you just trust the

other worldly talent or do you trust the huge amount of historical data that suggests a step back and not just because of his age, but also because of the history of guys who have touched the ball as much as he has this year and run for 2000 yards? Those guys almost always take a step back. Yeah, I think we do have to worry about Saquon on some level. You know, to worry about Saquon on some level. You know, I'm not going to trot out the old, he had too many touches. So it's kind of a wash that he gets injured next year, because God forbid that would that would be horrible. I do think there's something to say that Saquon did just about everything he could possibly do short of breaking Eric DeKerson's record, which he probably breaks if he plays in week 18. Right. For that reason, and that reason alone, I do

believe the Eagles will bring in another type of back to replace him. You know, if Kenny Gainwell, worded apart, if Will Shipley weren't to be up to their standards. I think the Eagles are perfectly happy to either draft the back or bring in, you know, hammer type of back someone that can take a lot of those short yardage plays for Saquon because we've seen Saquon kind of just say, no, I'm good. I don't need to get every, you know, every spare yard that I can get. Let the other guys get it. Let me catch my breath here. Saquon, I think, is focused on longevity.

And I think that now that he's in a space where he can almost... I think he can do almost whatever he wants at this point, and he will be a guy that is relied upon by the staff. He will be that kind of guy that doesn't need to play every single down, but he's going to make himself known in every game because he has the ability to break off these crazy 65-yard touchdown scampers at any given notice. And because of that, I think that we just see him take a little bit of a step back more than he did, much more than he did this year. I think we see a lot more breaks from him because the Eagles will want to keep him as

healthy and fresh as possible. They are in the prime of a Super Bowl window right now. I think this year is probably is is going to be probably their best shot. But next year they're going to have a great shot as well. You know, this team is young, this team, it has every piece that they need to be locked up, they're locked up. So I think for the next one to two to three years, this is a team in the prime of the Super Bowl window. And I think Saquon knows that. So he's not going to be scampering for any records. The Eagles will know that. Sirianni will know that. So I think what they do is they definitely

try to take a step back with Saquon. And I think it's going to be smart for them to do that. And I don't know if Saquon is going to be close to the RB one next year. I do think that. Go ahead. No, I want to get over to the other side because Isaiah Pacheco was close to a consensus top 12 running back at this time last year because of the age he was finally getting the touchdowns and then had the broken leg. And I was really concerned about him looking anything like himself for the remainder of this year. He has not looked anything like himself.

The 29 year old Kareem hunt is currently a better running back. And we'll talk about hunting just a moment if he has any dynasty value. But I wonder if you think that Pacheco has just completely lost his dynasty value, or are you expecting that he gets a full off season? He comes back next year and is pretty much the guy he was before. If we're talking about the top 12 dynasty value, I don't think he ever should have been there to begin with. So no, I don't think he ever comes back to that. I've never been sold on, you know, the Isaiah Pacheco hype train.

You know, I saw him as a nice gimmick, as a nice story. Cool that he runs so hard, and it just invokes that viral meme that went everywhere. You hand the ball to Isaiah Pacheco, and he's just running full speed and just thundering down the field. But that only worked so long until people kind of get that that's the gimmick with him. And all of a sudden they're loading the box and

he can't really do anything against loaded boxes. So we saw that a lot this year. But I do think that coming back from breaking your ankle is a serious thing. That takes time to fully recover from. And I think that he was brought, he might've come back a little bit too early. Yeah, for sure. So I will be interested to see next year with a full off season of rehab, you know, God willing,

nothing happens to him in the Superbowl. I will be really interested to see how he looks in the training camp and OTAs and everything like that. You know, to see if he can be one of those guys that we draft in like the eighth or ninth round, kind of that RB dead zone type. I think that's where he will fall if he doesn't look like he's completely lost his edge in the Super Bowl. But I'll be interested to see what happens there. So I'm somewhere in the middle. I'm somewhere in the middle in between lost everything and is still that top down.

I would definitely take the under on his yards in the Superbowl. And I think I'd take the over on what somebody wanted to set it on next year. He's currently my RB 20 in dynasty. I haven't added the rookies yet. I anticipate there are at least four rookies that are going to come in ahead of Isaiah Pacheco.

So now maybe he's RV 24. And if one of those four rookies are on the chiefs, he might not be a top 40 guy. I think the chiefs will tell us what their off season moves. And then the other question is, do they just decide to bring back Kareem hunt? Cause he's pretty much done exactly what they've asked him to do. Now again, just another guy that just goes forward. He's not really making anybody miss, but people have to respect the Chiefs passing game. They have to respect Patrick Mahomes and Hunt's still very good. You need three yards, he'll go get

your three yards. If you need five, he might get your three yards. Do you think that Kareem Hunt or Will Shipley matter in dynasty or is it just whether or not the Chiefs bring Hunt back? I think Will Shipley will totally matter in dynasty or is it just whether or not the Chiefs bring Hunt back? I think Will Shipley will totally matter in dynasty and I'll get to green hunt, but Shipley plays a key role in special teams. So he's been involved with the Eagles at times and he's shown kind of flashes of the guy that people thought he could be two years ago when he was a superstar as a freshman at Clemson. So I think there's something to see with Shipley. I was a really big Shipley fan coming out of the draft last year. I think that he is currently the favorite to be the RB2 next year for the Eagles depending on what they do with Kenny Gainwell. Let's put Shipley in

context because people are gonna to have to make decisions heading up to April about roster cuts and to make room for draft picks. So if your choice is hold, will Shipley or make a rookie fourth round pick, you're holding will Shipley. I'm holding will Shipley. Hold will Shipley or make a rookie third round pick. Uh, it depends who's on the board there because this class is starting to get a little bit deeper for me, but I'm still going to lean towards Will Shipley a tiny bit.

And then definitely a second round pick over Shipley. Correct. Okay. That's the, no, I think that's, that's a good way to put it in context. And I think like we got to remember Kareem Hunt did not have a team at the beginning of the year. So if we find out before the NFL draft that the Chiefs have brought him back and they're just going to go with Pacheco and Hunt going into next year, then Hunt's going to be someone who needs to be rostered. If Kareem Hunt is on the NFL waiver wire after we get through free agency, and it's looking like teams are going to let him sit out training camp and choose a team after somebody gets hurt, then he's probably going to be on dynasty waiver wires as well. There is so much talent between these two teams at the wide receiver position. One of the most interesting one though for dynasty purposes is not going to be playing Rushy Rice, dealing with both his recovery from a PCL injury and a potential suspension in the 2025

season. And I think that makes him really difficult to rank because if you just look at what Rice did in the second half and playoffs of last year and look at what Rice did when he was healthy earlier this year, like he looked like a top 10 dynasty wide receiver, no doubt about it. But we don't know how he's going to recover from this knee injury. We don't know how many games he's going to play next year. And Xavier Worthy has emerged to the end of this year, much in the same way Rice did at the end of last year. So are you, I guess, where, what are your views on where Rice should be ranked? And are you more worried about the suspension or the knee?

So I was really coming around on Rashi Rice right around the time of the injury, uh, the first month of the season. I mean, he looked terrific and I did not have him anywhere. So I will say that I'm, you know, happy that I didn't have him anywhere because, you know, kind of no, no harm, no found, no skin off my back type of thing, but he looked terrific and I think it carries over. I don't, you know, I'm not an injury expert, so I'm not, I'm not going to speculate. I can't speculate, but, you know, from what, you know, what I've talked to, you know, with different injury experts around

the space, it seems like this was the best case scenario that we could have gotten with Rice. So, and I think that he's going to step in guys like Juju Smith Schuster and DeAndre Hopkins and maybe even Hollywood Brown, all of these guys might not be on the Chiefs next year. Probably will not be. And I think, yeah. So it would make perfect sense for Rashi Rice

and Xavier Worthy to be the future, wide receiver one and wide receiver two or wide receiver one A and wide receiver one and wide receiver two or wide receiver one A and wide receiver one B type style for the Chiefs for the next several years. And they both looked really good at what they've been able to do in time. So I would be really confident depending on Rice. I will say the suspension that is incoming and we've kind of been almost assured that there will be some sort of suspension that comes of this. I would imagine it's in the four to six game range for him from talking to some legal guys

around the space as well. So it'll be very interesting to see from a dynasty perspective. I think if you pay a late first for Rashi Rice, I think it could look like a really smart move. You know, at some point, you know, midway through next year down the stretch in your fantasy playoffs when you have Rashi Rice and the person that's all into you for late versus kind of like, why did I do that? Just because they paddocked on Rashi Rice.

Rice is currently my wide receiver 22 in dynasty. There are two wide receivers in this game actually make it three that I have ranked higher than him in dynasty. There are two wide receivers in this game actually make it three that I have ranked higher than him in dynasty. That tells you how much talent there is. I think AJ Brown's at an interesting point in his career because he's certainly not an old wide receiver right in the middle of his prime. At the same time, he is going to turn 28 before he plays another regular season game. So if you're someone who's moving into a rebuilding window, he might be someone that you're interested in moving off of. Would you, if you had AJ Brown and it was time to rebuild, accept a trade of Xavier Worthy for AJ Brown? No, I would not.

And the reason I would not is because I think AJ Brown is extremely unique in what he offers you. He offers you the ability to be a downfield wide receiver, he offers you the ability to be a short to intermediate wide receiver. But most of all, he offers the ability for yards after the catch and just is true as shown that he can rank at the top of the NFL in yards per route run and just be kind of that do everything wide receiver one that we have seen is so exceedingly rare in this league, you know, over the past several years. I just don't think that there's a reason to get rid of him simply because he had a few

down weeks at the end of the season while he's been nursing a knee injury for the past, you know, month or month or month plus. So I just, I don't see a reason to panic over it. Yes, I love Worthy, but we haven't seen that Worthy can be that do everything, handle a high volume of, you know, targets wide receiver, you know, over the course of a full season yet. We haven't seen, you know, what he'll look like when he's kind of not that preferred option. You know, what happens when Rashi Rice's kind of not that preferred option, right? What happens when Rashi Rice comes back? What happens to Xavier Worthy? Where does he play? Does he play on the outside? exclusively because

Rice looked really good in the slot as kind of like that power slot type of player and that's kind of where you know Xavier Worthy has been playing as kind of that guy they'll put in screens and they'll line him up every so often on the outside, but he's been doing a lot of damage from the slot. So I do kind of wonder what Rice or what were these roles going to look like in 2025. But I know what AJ Brown's role is going to look like. It is the wide receiver one for this football team. He is the guy that they look to when they need to make a big play. It's him. So, so I guess, and this is more of a philosophical question, but first for dynasty purposes, if you have, like, if you have a wide receiver like AJ Brown and you don't have a contending

roster, you think that AJ Brown's still going to be a number one wide receiver in two or three years when you are contending or Or you're just, that's where, and that doesn't mean that, like, maybe you just are saying I'd have to get a young wide receiver who's better than Worthy. Would you accept a Marvin Harrison in that situation? Would you accept a Lad McConkie? Would you accept a Brian Thomas Jr.? I think we'd all say yes to that one, probably. Yes. Yeah. Or are we like Xavier Worthy and second or Xavier worthy? It's gonna take a first to get there. I think it's just that's what I think about is these people who have

Brown and maybe like the rest of the team got old and it's it's time to go through the rebuild process. Do you hold a guy at his age through maybe a two year rebuild? Yeah, I mean, at that point, you know, the hypothetical of, you know, how, you know, how long are you in a rebuild? You know, what is the team around you? I think that comes into play pretty heavily. But the guy like AJ Brown, you know, can you afford to move off them? Or do you need an extra piece? I think I would need an extra piece in the Xavier worthy trade, whether that is a high second, a late first, one of those, I don't know if anybody would do that. You know, I think that would need an extra piece in the Xavier worthy trade, whether that is a high second, a late first, one of those.

I don't know if anybody would do that. I think that's kind of my Eagles and AJ Brown bias kind of breaking into the equation, which how can you blame me for kind of having that, believing in the guy that has looked so good at times. But everyone is going to hold the Eagles passing offense against you in negotiations. So the reason- And I think the new offensive coordinator is really gonna, may have an impact on that as well.

Like do you, we knew that Kellen Moore would probably want to throw the ball more than what the Eagles had and they still ran it a bunch. But you bring in a guy who really loves the run game and you could see a 420 past season out of Jalen Hertz. And then even if J, even if AJ Brown has a 30% target share, it's not very much volume. I want to talk about the other, I want to talk about the other receiver though, in that offense.

Cause I have been higher than consensus on Devontae Smith for most of his career. We're also four years into that career. He's going to turn 27, I think before his, no, he just turned 26. Um, and we don't have even a 1200 yard season. We don't have a 10 touchdown season. He's been a, a very good number two wide receiver who, if somebody's hurt, he can produce like a number one. Do you think he still has a number one wide receiver season in him at some point?

Probably not as a member of the Philadelphia Eagles. And he's staying there for a while. Yes. That hypothetical exists that if he were to leave the Eagles, I am radically, radically militantly confident that he would be a wide receiver one in almost any other offense, which hurts me because I also have been extremely overweight on Devontae Smith. You know, I consider myself one of the leaders of that height train. I do believe that he is, you know, talent wise, a top 10 wide receiver in the NFL. I'm just I've come around to the fact that it might not be fantasy wise. Right. So I think I think what people who have him on their team, their goal should be this off season is to find a way to trade for him for, you know, a young rising star and a first or, you know, a right there star and a second, something like that. Take advantage, try to take advantage of someone who still does believe

in the longevity and ceiling of Devontae Smith. And I'm not a prop expert like Sam is, but Devontae Smith, I think, is going to give you a little bit more of a sell high opportunity because he has played Spags Chiefs defense three times and his lowest yardage total in those three games is 99 yards. That is my favorite prop for the game is Devante Smith over yards would not be surprised if he has a hundred yard game in the Super Bowl. And that might just help you make the sell. You might be selling him next week for a for a future wide receiver one. We're going to talk about the tight ends and Travis Kelsey. I think the way he's talked this week at the Super Bowl is like next year might not be his last year. But we still get reports and we get reports about Andy Reid too, and he's not going anywhere, that if the Chiefs win the Super Bowl, Travis Kelce might retire. Let's assume that he's coming back because we don't know.

Let's assume that he's coming back. Is he a top five tight end again next year? No, no He just did he they just didn't need him again all of us could change, you know, we have quite a few outgoing players, but Just didn't look like they needed him and you know, I'm not I think I think something has to do with with Noah Gray But this is a great tight end draft class And I think something has to do with Noah Gray, but this is a great tight end draft class. This is possibly the best tight end draft class outside of 2021 that we've seen in the past several years.

So there's a question there, do they draft another tight end? Does Noah Gray leaving free agency? Probably will. What do the chiefs do on offense? There are so many questions that we need to answer before we can realistically answer whether Travis Kelsey is a top five tight end, but right now I just, I don't think he, I don't think he is, you know, Sam LaCorta is there.

Like they're, they're just, they're so, there are other options that will keep him at best on the fringe of top five, you know, reliability. So I think for dynasty purposes, he's on the fringe of top 12. Like just not, not really in that conversation because who knows how many years he will play. Oddly enough, he finished last year in total fantasy points as the number five tight end in fantasy football. Now he had a stretch after Rice got hurt and before Worthy emerged where he was just the offense again. Kind of like he has been for portions of the postseason. I would not be surprised if he is again on Sunday. I don't think there's any doubt about whether the ability

is there. I think the doubt is do they need to do that all season long or are they just trying to keep him healthy for the AFC championship game? Because that's kind of when the season starts. I would say that if Rice has a suspension of eight or more games, then I think Travis Kelsey will be a top five tied in next year. If Rice has a suspension of four or fewer games, I don't think there's a very good chance. He just, if both Worthy and Rice are there, I would guess Travis Kelsey is going to have some games with 12 receiving yards until we get to January and then he'll probably have a nine catch 100 yard game where he scores a touchdown. Yeah, that's a playoff Travis Kelsey for you.

Dallas Gutter, maybe playoff Dallas Gutter, like your favorite prop. For fantasy football purposes though, is he just a guy? Yes. Yeah. And I'm going to tell you why. The chief reason is he cannot stay freaking healthy. He misses. I think he's missed four more games in every single season that he's been in the NFL so far. And I need someone to track me if I'm right or wrong there. But that's certainly what it feels like. He cannot stay healthy. He just struggles way too often with injuries and and

reliability and even with even with he Even with him You know somehow, you know getting there, but he needs an injury to be relevant right the way this Eagles passing attack is set up is Just that at this point. So I'm not so sure that he wouldn't be a terrific option if he were to go to another team. I think he would.

I think he's a very, very talented receiving option. But just due to the constraints of what he deals with in Philadelphia from a target share perspective, it's nearly impossible for him to be anything more than a guy who might have a 60-yard game. Otherwise, it's probably a three for 34, and you're hoping you catch the touchdown, which he doesn't get a lot of redstone targets. It's really hard to get a lot of targets when you play on a team that throws the ball 25 times a game and AJ Brown and Devontae Smith and Saquon Barkley are all on the field with you. That's nothing against Dallas Gutter. Another guy who might just be better if he went somewhere else.

Jaquan in the chat did offer a correction. Yes, Noah Gray is actually signed through 2027 with the Chiefs. They extended him. So he will be on the team next year. He'll probably have a two touchdown game. He probably won't matter for fantasy football unless Travis Kelsey retires, in which case I hope they draft a tight end. Let's take a short break. And I don't know if you're ready for this or not, Sam, but we are going to do a two man mock drafting the Chiefs and Eagles in a startup dynasty. So we'll do this, Sam.

Of course, I will give you the first pick and we will do a snake draft. I will keep track of the teams here. We're going to call it a super flex draft. So we'll get the quarterbacks out of the way early and it will be six points per pass touchdown. It will be non tight end premium. It will be full PPR. So hopefully your list that you've got there in front of you is set up in that manner.

Who is your first pick in a dynasty draft of the Chiefs and the Eagles? I will take Jalen Hertz. And that works out well for me because my first pick actually would have been Patrick Mahomes. So it's dynasty. I prefer Mahomes slightly over hurts. He prefers hurts slightly over Mahomes. And this is immediately where things get

more interesting because you do have to scroll down just a little bit. The next highest guy that I have ranked is AJ Brown. So I will take AJ Brown with my second pick. is AJ Brown. So I will take AJ Brown with my second pick. Um, I've gone back and forth in my head over the past minute and 30 seconds. Yes. I am actually going to take Xavier Worthy here. And Worthy would have been my second highest pick. You get another choice. So let's see if you will take the guy who would have been my first. I'll probably I'll take

Saquon. Yeah. Yeah. I have I have Saquon at 49th overall and I have worthy at 51st overall. So just like those two guys were definitely the guys that I had next on my radar. You started off through three rounds with Jalen Hertz, Saquon Barkley, and Xavier Worthy. We've also got Joey Wright saying this show usually has swag, but today it has a swag man. Excellent. You always enjoy having Joey in the chat.

I think there's one more. Well, I don't know if it's easy, but I'm going to oddly stack the Eagles wide receivers with Patrick Mahomes. So I've got Devontae Smith as my next pick, and then I'll go Rashi Rice with the next pick after that. So I have Mahomes, AJ Brown, Devontae Smith and Rashi Rice. I'm not sure if I'm going to make myself choose a non-wide receiver next, but it seems like I probably should. And I feel like we've reached another point, Sam, where there's a big drop off in terms of who you might want to take. I have to scroll a long ways down my dynasty rankings to see the next Chiefs or Eagles player. We may get to the

point here very quickly of, can you think of another Chiefs or Eagles player? Who are you taking here hurts my homes are off the board say quans off the board the top four wide receivers Were the AJ Brown Devante Smith and Rashi rice are off the board Dallas Goddard Dallas Goddard And Excuse me as I go down my own rankings here, Dallas Goddard and I'm going to put an interesting one. Actually, let's see. You didn't take Travis Kelsey, did you?

I didn't. I'll take Travis Kelsey. That is a really great strategy move there. You took both the tight ends. There's no way I'm going to have a good team now. I'm very thankful. Like you did not take my highest ranked player going into this round, but you did express that you weren't a big fan of Isaiah Pacheco even when he's good.

So it makes sense that you would not take Isaiah Pacheco now that he's not been good. I will take Isaiah Pacheco. That is a complete list of the chiefs and Eagles players who rank inside of my top 150 and my dynasty rankings. We're going to do one more round. I'm going to filibuster for a moment. So you have a chance to think of two guys because I'm going to take one of them, but you have Jaylen Hertz, Xavier Worthy, Saquon Barkley, Dallas Goddard, and Travis Kelsey. What a great move that was. I have Patrick Mahomes, AJ Brown, Devontae Smith, Rashi Rice, and

Isaiah Pacheco. And now I have to find another Chief or Eagles player that is not inside of my top 150. Scroll a little bit further. We got to scroll a little bit further. I think the names that you're looking here are probably Will Shipley. That's who I'm going to take. I don't need a tight end. Will Shipley. That gives me two running backs, three wide receivers, and a quarterback. I can pick Noah Gray up off waivers unless you take him right here. I'm actually going to take Juju Smith Schuster.

Okay. And kind of need a running back, don't I? I think we're done. That's 12 picks. We did a first round. I won't make you go take, you would have to take Kareem Hunt or Kenny Gainwell. And nobody wanted to see that happen. You got chat. You can tell us who won the draft. Sam ends up with Jalen Hertz, Saquon Barkley, Xavier Worthy, Juju Smith Schuster, Travis Kelsey, and Dallas Goddard. I end up with Patrick Mahomes, AJ Brown, Devante Smith, Rashi Rice, Isaiah Pacheco, and Will Shipley.

My team is old. Your team is young. Your team is kind of old. I hadn't really noticed that. My team is old. Yeah. But you know, it's just a fun exercise. It's there's not a whole lot of two team matchups you could do where you'd get 10 players in the top one 50. So that's, that's pretty good. Um, I, I got a couple of questions here from the chat, and then we will wrap things up. Cause I did see a couple of good, uh, trade questions. I've got, uh, is it, we do keep our questions every once in a while here.

Brian Thomas, Jr. for a ninth round pick Chase Brown and the eighth or Xavier Worthy in the seventh. That is, oh, keep trade cut. I would keep Brian Thomas. I would trade. Chase Brown and I would cut Xavier Worthy. I would do all of those three as well. Yeah, Chase Brown is Chase Brown's interesting. Like I think it's I think it depends entirely on how you feel about the future of the Cincinnati Bengals and what they do with the running back position with with Chase Brown because they could easily draft someone else.

He has some Pacheco vibes. Pacheco vibes. Like, yeah, he could be replaced at any moment. Same thing for Bucky Irving really. But hopefully both those guys get to keep their jobs. We got to grade the trade. I sent the 103 and a 2026 first for Marvin Harrison Jr. and a 2027 first. So he has Gentie. He still has the 105, the 111, and he's a complete rebuild here. But the 103 and a 2026 first for Marvin Harrison and a 2027 first. Is this as simple as it depends on if it's a Superflex or a one quarterback draft? Because I think in a 1QB league, I would, I would rather have Marvin Harrison than 103 for sure. I would rather have Marvin Harris in the 103 for sure. Yeah, I think I would also rather have Marvin Harris in the 103 in a 1QB. But also, I think there are plenty of people who are unsure about this class the way it looks right now. They don't

know what to think about Cam Ward and Shuro Sanders. Outside of Ashton Gentry, there's really nothing that is set in stone about this class. Nobody knows, you know, exactly what Tet Macmillan could look like. He could look like, you know, it's kind of like Drake London from a couple of years ago, right? We have another, you know, big contested catch guy

who doesn't really separate as much. Yeah. And I think that, you know, this could be, you know, a situation where you're taking the known quantity over an unknown quantity, which I'm perfectly fine with doing. Everyone knows the family guy scene where it could even be a boat. It could be anything. So I think in that vein, I'm perfectly fine with Marvin Harris in this case.

We had a couple of comments on the draft. Cousin Ernest says Sam won for now, Heath won for the future. Sam definitely won for now. I've got Rashi Rice not even playing and Isaiah Pacheco is not himself and Will Shipley is a backup. So yes, I agree with that. Jaquan says I like Heath's a tiny bit more. Thank you Jaquan. And then you know, there just happens to be one more comment here. Happy Super Bowl Sunday. Enjoy the company in the game. Our cousin Ernest says, go Chiefs. Sam doesn't like that,

but Sam really appreciates you being here today. Always a good time to have you on the show and talk football. Thanks to Thomas for running the show, for everybody who was active in the chat. We will talk to you next week.