Fantasy Football Today - SuperFlex Startup Dynasty League Mock Draft! (1/16 Fantasy Football Today Dynasty)

Episode Date: January 17, 2024

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Jamie, it's been a long time since you've been here. I think we did a mock draft the last time you were here. What's going on? It's good to be here. I appreciate you having me. Not that we don't talk in other places, but it's fun to be on your show. You've done a great job with it all season long, so I don't think I was on at all during the year, but certainly paid attention to it. You had some fantastic guests and, again, just did a great job kicking butt. I know you'll do it again this offseason and certainly next year as well. A bad, bad job hosting by me is Jamie's pick, and I throw him a question. Dan's up next. So Dan, I'm going to go ahead and ask you,

you just made a Jalen Hurts trade. Are you going to get to draft Jalen Hurts with the fifth overall pick? What did you give up for Jalen Hurts? Yeah. And big burger dynasty league, where I tanked year one, I made a trade the opposite direction now. And I traded a first round pick two second round picks a third round pick and Rashad Bateman for Jalen Hurts in our baked burger super flex dynasty. So now I'm going the opposite route, Heath. I have Jalen Hurts, Josh Allen, Jameer Gibbs, Brees Hall, and James Cook as my core with Jaden Reed and a few other nice pieces at receiver.

Not so nice, Jaden Reed, Jackson Smith, and Jigba, and say Flowers, but I'm open for business with the rest of these picks now.'m looking to win now with you well you're looking to pick now because you're on the clock with about 45 seconds left the first four picks in our mock draft bradley stadler takes josh allen number one overall i think that's probably the easiest pick we've got cory spalla with patrick mahomes dave richard takes jaylen hurts jamie you took lamar jackson and i don't know who you would have chosen one One of the questions I was going to ask, this guy hasn't been taken yet. One of the questions I was going to ask is, did CJ Stroud pass Jalen Hurts in Dynasty this weekend?

Very, very different performances from these two quarterbacks. Definitely different performances. I don't think so yet, but he certainly has closed the gap. He's closed the gap on Lamar. He's closed the gap on Burrow, who Dan took. There's a lot to love about what CJ Stroud has done and hopefully will continue to do. But I think he's still got a little bit to go

to get past those quarterbacks in my mind. I debated going with Stroud here over Burrow. It was very close for me. And it's an interesting pick. I feel like if you go Stroud, it's a little bit more of a long-term pick maybe but what's the difference right now i'm trying to get the let's see let's see where we're at with joe burrow yeah 27 versus cj stroud's what's going to be 22 so you so it's a little bit more of a long-term pick i think but i'll go for

the win now pick with burrow well that's it i think the question. I've got Stroud ahead of Burrow. I had it, Allen, Hertz, Stroud, Mahomes, and then Jackson right in there with them. But I do, man, I struggle with what he just did as a rookie. He didn't show us the upside that all these other guys have shown us, obviously, but it was his rookie season a lot of these guys were bad as rookies and we've seen joe burrow exclusively pretty much with jamar chase and t higgins what if t higgins is gone this year and it's just joe burrow with jamar chase right and it's cj stroud with tank dell and nico collins in year two getting even better i think he's a guy who could rise and continue rising at the quarterback position. It would

not be that big of a surprise. We had our first non-quarterback taken. Adam Azer takes Justin Jefferson right after Sam Waldorf takes CJ Stroud. So I think I'm going to keep that non-QB run going. I will take Jamar Chase here. I actually have Jamie Chase just ahead of Jefferson in my dynasty rankings right now. These guys have gone back and forth. They're the clear one and two. There's not been a different one and two for a long time amongst non quarterbacks. Um, the only reason right now that chase is ahead is because I don't know who Jefferson quarter quarterbacks going to be next year. Uh, it's, and it's totally fair. And it's the conversation we had last year, not just for dynasty, but also

for redraft about what the future holds for Justin Jefferson. Um, I think the encouraging thing is what he was able to accomplish in the final four games that he played without Kirk cousins, you know, and so he had a great finish with Nick Mullins, um, from his perspective, at least in week 18, and they may add a rookie and we'll see, you know, this is a regime that might be aggressive and go up and trade to get, you know, one of the top three quarterbacks if they're able to. Um, so, uh, could see Kirk cousins come back as, as a bridge quarterback could have a potential, you know, maybe, maybe they're aggressive and they get a, a Jane Daniels or, or Drake man. I don't think they're going to get to Caleb, Caleb Williams, but, um, Caleb Williams. But I think you're still looking at a situation where Jefferson, I think can play with anybody. And so that's the, uh, that's encouraging thing for me. So I would still take him ahead of chase, but I think you're still looking at a situation where Jefferson, I think, can play with anybody. And so that's the encouraging thing for me.

So I would still take him ahead of Chase, but I have no problem taking Chase. And look, you can make a case for CeeDee Lamb as well, who hasn't been taken also. He is as close as he's ever been to those two in my dynasty rankings, Dan. I think Mr. NFC East, it was obviously a disappointing weekend for the Cowboys as well. I'm sure that didn't bother you but i i do think if if he comes out of the gate like he finished last season we'll have to have a conversation about where he belongs in that top three order i think that's perfectly fair and i think they're in a position where he is actually facing an interesting situation coming up because of his contract and after a season like this one i don't see how there's any way he's not going to

become the highest paid wide receiver in nfl. That just seems to be how these things go. And with the Dak contract and with the Micah Parsons contract, it's going to be interesting to see how Dallas juggles all of that. I don't think they're going to be the next team to make that. Maybe I would call it early foreshadowing move away from quarterback and trade Dak Prescott, but it wouldn't totally surprise me. And I think that would, to me, crater a little bit of that, at least for me, that enthusiasm to move Lamb all the way up the board. I think we've hit our first pause in the draft, Jamie.

So I was thinking about this this morning, just from a real football perspective. We don't talk about that a whole lot, but we've seen Bill Belichick let go or he's gone. There's talk that Mike McCarthy is going to be gone after three straight 12-win seasons. Nick Sirianni is going to be gone a year after going to the Super Bowl. Maybe not gone, but that's the talk. Are we going a little bit too far on the fire? You're a head coach. There's some value to continuity, right? There absolutely is. Based on what you're hearing

from the players, and that necessarily doesn't always carry the most weight, but the reports out of the Dallas locker room, the reports that you heard last night from the Philadelphia players, they don't want to see their coaches necessarily go. And, you know, the flip side of that is maybe that's why they need to go is because the players are too much, you know, in step with the coaching staff or vice versa. And maybe that's not why maybe that's why things are not you know going the way that they hope those things will go it'd be a little surprising philadelphia to get rid of sirianni so quickly and i think you could point to some of the flaws easily and say why he should go uh but let's be fair here i mean he just lost his two coordinators you know and and you know again is that the reason why his team fell apart were those guys propping him up because they both had amazing seasons where they ended up in Arizona and Indianapolis looking at what happened to them.

And for Dallas, I mean, it's just, you know, another playoff ouster that's, you know, somewhat surprising, especially given how successful they've been at home. So we'll see. I always think that if it's obvious, you let the guy go. You know, Atlanta had to move on from Arthur Smith, for example, you know, so, uh, in these two cases, I think the thing that you look at is it's such a good crop of assistants that are available or candidates that are available, you know? And so while you're starting to see some of the, you know, I think the coaching spots line up, you know, it looks like Ben Johnson probably to Washington at this point, it looks like Bill Belichick could be in Atlanta. Um, Dan Quinn

could be in, in Seattle. And so you start to see, okay, where the jobs are going, but Raheem Morris is still out there. You know, there's, there's probably a guy or two that I'm missing. Um, if you have somebody in place, like, okay, I know if I'm Jerry Jones and I know I'm getting Bill Belichick, I'll move on from Mike McCarthy just to see, because it clearly has not gotten me to the place I want to get to. And this guy's got, you know, six rings. But to bring in just another assistant and maybe to promote Dan Quinn,

like, I don't know if that's the right move to make. I'm going to have to make a pick for someone here. It looks like Dan, I want to take a look at the, the first round as we just completed it. And it, it was mostly quarterbacks,

but we started off with Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, Jalen Hurts, then Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, CJ Stroud, Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase, Christian McCaffrey, and then Justin Herbert, Anthony Richardson, C.D. Lamb. Jamie mentioned those coordinators leaving the Eagles. Shane Steigen, one of those coordinators, had a pretty great year in his first season in Indianapolis with Gardner Minshew playing quarterback most of the season. What do you expect from Richardson in year two? Do we see a little

bit of struggles because he didn't get his first full rookie year, so he's still kind of a rookie? And another thing I want to ask about is I see people talking about Michael Pittman as still a buy low in Dynasty because he may have some other level to attain. I don't think next year is probably as good for him if Richardson stays healthy. Do you? I think you're spot on about that. We saw even in a small sample size, Richardson be a little bit better for Josh Downs. And as far as what will happen in year two, I actually think it will work in his favor that he didn't play as many games.

Because one of the things that happens a lot in the NFL is you see this rookie quarterback these rookie quarterbacks come out hot have a really good rookie year and then all of a sudden it seems like year two what happened to these players Davis Mills Daniel Jones there's plenty of examples some you know that ended up not working out in the NFL so they may not be the best examples to compare to players like Anthony Richardson if you think that ceiling is super high but what they tend to say is when defensive coordinators get about eight or nine games of tape on a quarterback they see all the tendencies they see the things they like to do they take away some of those concepts and then it becomes can this quarterback really you know elevate so I don't think Richardson is in that

zone just yet because he didn't have that many starts and I think they're going to do a good job building around him this offseason they already have really revived that offensive line that's the biggest story to me in Indianapolis this year. It looked like it was crippling in 2022, and the offensive line was trending toward one of the worst in the NFL. And then all of a sudden, in my opinion, due to maybe coaching and development, they've kind of revived that. So because that offensive line is where it's at,

and because of my faith in Steichen, I have those high expectations for Richardson year two as well. Jamie, we had three quarterbacks taken at the start of round two, Justin Fields, Kyler Murray, Brock Purdy. I'm not sure those three guys could be any different in terms of risk and upside profiles. I think this is the right spot for them in terms of where they rank amongst quarterbacks right behind Anthony Richardson works for me.

We've not seen Trevor Lawrence go yet. What do you think of these three quarterbacks at the start of round two? I mean, this is going to be in a super flex league where they start to come off the board. Kyler was a little surprised in that he went so soon. But, you know, what he's capable of when he's on his game in year two, coming back from an ACL, that's typically when players are at their best, coming off the injury at least. And you got to like what he showed in the small sample size that he played in his new system. Um, but in any event, uh, fields has got out is, is such a wild card right now. I mean, you can make a case that he should be a first round pick if he, you know, either

stays in Chicago and you love that situation, or if he goes to, you know, let's say in Atlanta, um, you know, which would be my preferred destination if he does move on. So there's a lot to like about what he could still become and has shown at least. So Purdy is such a hard guy to peg for the future because he's tied to these guys. And Dan sort of talked about this, about the salary situation in Dallas. When they have to pay him, what does that mean for everybody else? And McCaffrey, this is probably going to be his last great season coming into 2024. Ayuk, they're going to have to make a decision on him.

But yeah, these guys are all in this range. And I hate Dan for the pick he just made. Dan, you just got sniped on Lawrence. Yeah, you took Brees Hall there. I thought I took Jameer Gibbs three picks earlier. Dijon Robinson went two picks earlier. That's probably a little bit controversial. I think some people, as soon as Arthur Smith was fired, put B. John right back up as RB1 in this class.

How do you feel about these two backs? Do you have them both ahead of Brees Hall? And which one do you prefer? I have B. John highest. He's the one I still prefer. I'm relying on my evaluation from his tape at Texas, relying on just what he's shown in the passing game this this year I know obviously we're talking about two good backs in the passing game as well Brees Hall and Jameer Gibbs but I think

Robinson takes to a little bit of a different level maybe in the same range of Gibbs just they do it differently because Robinson's a better route runner I think so I just still have high expectations for him as a player so this is dynasty I'm willing to take the hit maybe in year one here. He may not be as productive as either of those two right away until Atlanta finds him some kind of upgrade at quarterback. But I do have faith. And I like the offensive line coach they got going there too. Now, we know who is in Atlanta meeting with the owner.

It's the guy who has never given us consistent running back production. You thought it was bad when Bijan was sharing with Tyler Algier. Wait until Bill Belichick takes over the Atlanta Falcons. No, I'm sure people will say that. I really have a hard time parsing between these two. I can't imagine trading either for the other. I'd rather just take the one that goes last generally, but we were kind of in a weird spot

where there wasn't a quarterback I loved. I did like, Jamie, your pick. You took Jordan Love a couple picks after Trevor Lawrence. I actually have Love ahead of Lawrence right now in Dynasty. I don't think that's a stretch at this point. Based on how he's performed in his season, he's in a better system, at least right now, based on what we've seen from Lawrence the last two years and what Love did this year and certainly what the Packers offense has produced the last couple of

years under Matt LaFleur. Man, it's going to be fun to watch him grow with those receivers. You know, if those guys can become what they're capable of, you know, Jaden Reed and what he showed and Christian Watson, you know, what he hopefully can still become and, you know, just all the things that are still there, you know, with even some of the other pieces, you know, Luke Musgrave and Dontavian Wicks and Romeo Dobbs. I mean, just, they, they, they have so many ways to beat you. Uh, he looks fantastic. You know, it was, you know, not just the playoff game. I think that opened a lot of people's eyes, but you know,

you watched him at the end of the season, he was just an absolute star. And so just coming into his own, um, I was, I was honestly, you know, with the way that the board was unfolding, I was like, okay, maybe Brock Purdy, maybe, maybe Jordan Love, you know, we'll see if Lawrence makes it back. Cause I did want to go qbqb uh and the fact that love made it there you know made the decision easy for me dan there were two teams that did not take a quarterback in the first two rounds two guys that always agree on everything me and adam azar adam ended up with justin jefferson and bijan robinson i ended up with jamar chase and jameer gibbs are

we crazy or is this a viable strategy in a super flex dynasty startup? It's not the strategy I would ever use in a super flex dynasty startup, but I think it's a viable strategy because it's a startup and you can take a different route with this. The only issue I have with it is for me, it seems like it's harder to compete early without the quarterbacks, unless you have a few veteran, a veteran ideas in mind, maybe, but but and then with running backs i would rather build it so out so if i have the if i have a running back heavy team i also have quarterbacks i'm ready to compete now because i feel like the timeline is just

condensed a bit with a running back build so i don't know i just if i if i'm doing that route i'm probably going heavy receivers we're we're at a really weird place in terms of the quarterbacks how did you do that to me? Jamie just took Jonathan. You just had Brees Hall. You don't need Jonathan Taylor. I think we're at a weird place with the quarterbacks that are left in terms of the dynasty rankings because you've got Jared Goff. You've got Aaron Rodgers is still there.

You've got Kirk Cousins, guys that we think will probably be good next year. We've also got Bryce Young. We've got Tuatunga-Vailoa. We've got some real question marks that are younger. And then the wild card of all wild cards, since you've already picked, Jamie, Deshaun Watson has not been picked yet. We're in the middle of round three of a Dynasty startup. He's going to be the starter next year. It's not as if the team's turning to Joe Flacco.

Do we just hope that he can stay healthy next year and be better? I think so. I mean, you know, he was four and one as a starter. So clearly they like what he was able to accomplish from a team perspective. And look, he played through the shoulder injury. You know, we know how that story unfolded that he did come back and, you know, at least gave you one game. So I don't know if anybody's going to question his toughness, but you certainly can question

is he still the type of player that he once was. He didn't necessarily show that in the small sample size that we have end of 2022, beginning of 2023. Um, but great offensive line, still some very good weapons. Uh, you hope that they can continue to build out that offense, despite the salary cap constraints that there'll be under because of his contract. But I mean, obviously when you start to get to the back end of the, or sort of the middle of the, the, the QB two range, I think that's where he sort of comes into play.

He's not my favorite guy by any stretch. He's not somebody that I'm going to say I want to target, but once we get into this range, he starts to become a little bit more prominent before the rookies come into the NFL. He's going to go behind the Caleb Williams, Drake Mays, those type of guys for sure. And that's something I should have said. This is a super flex PPR mock draft. We are not drafting 2024 rookies in this draft. So we're drafting as if there would be a separate rookie draft, which if we talked about this with John Bosch last week, if I was starting a new dynasty league and doing a startup this week, that's exactly how I would do it. And I think the tricky part, and I don't know if you have a preference on this, Dan, is if you do

that, how do you handle the rookie draft? What we did with our YOLO draft was we had one order for the startup, and then we just reversed the order for the rookie draft. Another thing I've seen that I really like is that people, especially if you don't have kickers in your league, just use kickers as placeholders. So if you want to draft a kicker in the first round and say, then that's all of a sudden you've got rookie 101. And then the next kicker that's taken is rookie 102 and so as part of the startup you're actually drafting your initial initial rookie draft positioning i think i would prefer much prefer the second version heath i want everyone in the player pool i want to in dynasty it's just too it's it's in in a you know in redraft you can maybe get away with it in my opinion and be like, all right, it's not the big of an edge, but in Dynasty could be a huge edge. Like last year with Bijan, for example, that's an asset where if you're just doing reverse snake at the end of it, it's kind of a massive advantage in my opinion, then to drafting 12th. So I'd rather, I'd rather do the way you said with the placeholders and you can actually assess the value of each player. Yeah, I do. I think it's interesting, specifically in a super flex league, because if you're drafting 12th,

the guy who drafted 12th in this league never had any chance at Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, Jalen Hurts, Lamar Jackson, O'Burrow, CJ Stroud. He had no chance at an elite quarterback. And so that's a pretty big disadvantage, right? Yeah, that is true. So I think it's really just decide what your like league likes better i've not heard of a third way that i think is just as good we're almost at the end of round two which seems like a sorry the way the way that you did it with uh the yolo league uh was was a huge advantage for me um the way that it worked

out because i had the second pick in the rookie draft and that was the Fournette McCaffrey year. And I ended up with McCaffrey second, and that's been obviously the cornerstone of my team for so many years, you know, so it could work out obviously, you know, however, however it does for depending on, you know, the guy picking in front of me could have easily taken McCaffrey and I would have been stuck with Fournette and that would have been okay for a few years, but you know the same but clearly it all it all depends on you know what you decide beforehand right those of you who are watching along here on YouTube you get to uh see the draft board uh Dan do you mind kind of for the people that are not can you read through the

round two picks for us I've got to make a couple more picks for another uh another dynasty manager here yeah round two we started off with Justin Fields, so he's got the Fields-Lamb combo down there, which I like. Then Iman Ross-Ain Brown to pair with Richardson. A back-to-back pick of Herbert and Kyler Murray. Brock Purdy came off the board. Jameer Gibbs and Bijan Robinson and Brees Hall all in three of the next four picks. Trevor Lawrence and Jordan Love, a couple of the young quarterbacks still on the board.

Then Garrett Wilson and Puka, two of easily top-tier wide receivers in Dynasty. Dak Prescott, A.J. Brown to start round three. Chris Olave, Sam Laporte, the first tight end off the board in Dynasty. I think at this point, everyone's Dynasty tight end won, I would say. I don't think anyone has too much of a disagreement there. Then Jonathan Taylor, I thought was a a crazy value pick in the round three. To me, he's in the mix with all the three I mentioned earlier. Bijan Robinson, Jameer Gibbs.

He has already been signed to that second contract with Indianapolis. I think he benefits from a Russian quarterback like Richardson, and he's still just 25 years old. I took Tua. Quarterback desperation started there with Tua Goff and Deshaun Watson, in my opinion. Look, I get it. You have to do it. But I don't necessarily know if like my thought on Deshaun Watson now versus last year in Dynasty is just totally warped and changed.

And I don't know where I'd be comfortable taking him anymore. Bryce Young goes off the board after that. I think that's pretty good value there. Just hoping for the bounce back. And then ETN as a second pick in round four. I think that was along the lines of Jonathan Taylor's maybe the best pure value pick in this draft. I actually selected Devon Etienne for somebody else right before that. And so, Jamie, when you look at those two running backs, Travis Etienne has obviously shown us he can handle the volume a lot better.

Etienne in his rookie season averaged 7.8 yards per carry, was like six carries short of the all-time yards per carry record, which actually is held by an old Dolphins running back, Mercury Morris. So between A-Chan and ETN, do you have a strong preference there in Dynasty? I mean, I'd probably lean A-Chan just because of the upside. We don't know what he can become if he is the full-time guy, and that's something I think we'd all like to see happen in 2024 with Raheem Mostert at 32 at that point. He's 31 now, Jeff Wilson being just a guy. And so you see some of the flashes, clearly, of what he did in that role

at the end of the season, the final two games of the regular season. He was the lead running back for the Dolphins. So I would lean slightly toward A-chan, so I don't think's the wrong order but you know you can certainly flip-flop them all and ETN was awesome I had Jacksonville just seems like it's a little bit lost right now in terms of where they're headed and hopefully things can change with a better play call or better system in uh in 2024 so I think Adam Azer is now in the position where he's gone three rounds without a quarterback. He took DJ Moore in round four. He just took Tank Dell in round four after taking DJ Moore in round three.

So now it's Justin Jefferson, Bijan Robinson, DJ Moore, and Tank Dell. I mean, is the strategy to have Daniel Jones as QB1, Dan? I hope not. I hope that strategy doesn't apply to anyone in Dynasty or in real NFL football heading into the next season. But I don't know what Adam's going to do at this point at the quarterback position. I think when you do this build and you completely punt on quarterback and super flex dynasty,

I don't, I can't tell you. I know what the next step is Heath. Cause I've never done it. What have you ever been down this route of just having no asset whatsoever at quarterback and super flex? Well, I think there's, there's still a path for him. Like I said, I mentioned some of the veterans, and I don't know where they're going to go.

I still only have one quarterback, and I was kind of thinking about that, and I figured a couple of them will come back to me next time. But we've got some guys who are going to start next year who we think are going to be pretty good next year. Aaron Rodgers, Kirk Cousins is going to have a starting job. I don't know who it's going to be with, but he'll be a starter. And if it's with Minnesota, I'd expect going to be pretty good next year aaron rogers kirk cousins is going to have a starting job i don't know who it's going to be with but he'll be a starter and if it's with minnesota i'd expect he'll be pretty good um matthew stafford is still out there he's going to be a starter like it's possible that azar gets a chance to draft two of those guys and is somewhat competitive this season it's just not a great long-term strategy the other thing is i think it depends on what you're looking at for the rookie draft and good. I was going to talk long enough to where Dan made that pick.

We're not drafting rookies right now. If Adam was going through this draft, thinking he was going to have the opportunity to get one of those guys in the rookie draft, that would be a little bit different as well. Yeah, that's fair. I made a pick that I think was a little bit above consensus there or a little bit

too early maybe according to consensus nico collins um what are your guys thoughts on that this early for nico i mean look he looks fantastic you know and and can he continue to do this when tank dell's on the field he showed he certainly can you know at times um it's uh it there's you know he cj judge just elevated everybody you know and and i think as he continues to get better that whole team's going to get better so it's not a it's not a bad pick at all at this point um let me ask you this would you put him or tank dell ahead in dynasty and your rank i would take tank though okay i i would definitely take take take dell i would definitely take the two rookie widewide receivers who went right after Nico Collins there,

Rasheed Rice and Zay Flowers. And Rice is another guy, if he does what he did last week against Buffalo and they win that game and he's able to do it for two or three more games, he's probably a round two pick next year in redraft. He might be a top 12 dynasty-wide receiver before the playoffs are over.

Honestly, his offseason is going to be fascinating because of if they see what he's doing and say, okay, we don't need to go get a wide receiver one. We don't need to go over spend for, let's say whoever the guy is on the market, you know, whether it's a Mike Evans or a T Higgins or Michael Pittman, one of these guys, and you certainly can add those and he still can be great. But you know, his ascension may sort of change their opinion a little bit now they have to prepare for life after Travis Kelsey and that doesn't necessarily mean tight end only could be you know just you know retooling the receiving core but my goodness it's a uh it's a nice problem to have if he's continuing to look like this and say okay we we have our guy and he can and he could you

know just build off what he's been able to accomplish so far. Dan, you mentioned Sam Laporta as the clear tight end one. We just saw my tight end to go early here in round five. It's Trey McBride. We haven't seen Mark Andrews. We haven't seen TJ Hawkinson. We haven't seen Travis Kelsey. Is that a mistake? Would you have any of those guys ahead of these two? I would personally, so I think I would have Mark Andrews ahead of McBride, but I know I'm against consensus on that one as well. I think with McBride for me,

I'm confident. Hold on. Let me, I think I'm about to make this pick, but I'll just wrap this up quick. I'm confident in McBride's ability to be a fantasy contributor, the way we expect them to be with Kyler Murray. I'm not as confident if Kyler Murray leaves that team I believe in the talent I don't really fully believe in his talent I don't think he's a game-changing type of talent at tight end I didn't love his tape at Colorado State first year I thought that was a good kind of indicator of

that now he made some spectacular catches this year with Kyler but I felt like a lot of it was scheme production if I'm going to be completely honest and those are always the types of players that scare me in Dynasty. So this is more of an eye testing for me, but he's just not a player who I have prioritized for Dynasty. Well, that's definitely one of those. Like when you talk about the film in college, it's hard to imagine that one of the most prolific tight ends in terms of statistical production in college had bad film. But he did it. I didn't say he had bad film.

I just said it wasn't exciting. Film wasn't much of a post-catch ability in my opinion. And I still haven't seen at the NFL level, a lot of explosive post-catch. And I think dominating stats at Colorado state against that competition, when the ball's coming to you 170 times a year, like we can look at it and say he earned those targets, or we can look at it and say he was six foot five going against a lot of

small got safeties and linebackers who can't match up with him and he was you know making dark i i was comfortable like best case jason whitton which to me is more of an nfl player than a fantasy player but you know to each his own if you it's just my opinion of him as a as a talent man i was he got taken i was gonna take him here yeah oh yeah yeah i think i'm on the clock here though so yeah you've been on the clock. I've had to refresh it a couple of times. You went on a four-minute rant hating Trey McBride. I'm not hating Trey McBride.

I'm defending myself for not having him for the production comment. I'm hating Colorado State. Well, hey, just know that based on how Dan has commented the last couple of days, there's probably a trade coming in one of our dynasty leagues for Trey McBride. I've got him in that league. Hold on. I need to make a pick here. think adam azar actually has him i tried to trade travis kelsey for him i've fallen a little behind on reading the round results so let's uh let's go through round three here while i reset for dan for the fourth time to make his pick and there we go

dan you've got another minute because i know you need it. So in round three, we had A.J. Brown, Chris Olave, Sam Laporta, Jonathan Taylor, Tua Tunga-Vailoa, Jalen Waddell, D.J. Moore, Jared Goff, Tyree Kill, Deshaun Watson, Brandon Ayuk, and Devon Achan. And Ayuk's a guy that I'm always too low on, according to consensus, Jamie. And another high high end wide receiver two season this year, right in the prime of his career. Do you think he ever has like a top five or top 10 season, or is this the best of Brandon IU? I think that happens on a different team because I think he's going to be one of the casualties of, of having to pray, pay Brock Purdy eventually, unless they move on from Debo Samuel.

But most likely he's in San Francisco this year. We'll see what kind of contract extension he gets, if he gets one at all. And they could just decide to play out his rookie deal and then franchise tag him. But in San Francisco, if everything stays the same, and that's, again, assuming that he doesn't outlast George Kittle and Debo Samuel,

I think this is as good as it gets, which is still pretty good. I mean, you know, he's, he's had some fantastic seasons. His rookie year was amazing. This past season was amazing. Um, he showed a lot of upside throughout the course of his career. So, um, it's not, it's not bad right spot for him, I think. Um, and again, there, there could be another level that he gets to. If he is the alpha on a team, he's just not going to be the alpha right now in the current situation to what San Francisco has. Dan, Adam is on the clock and also in the YouTube chat saying earlier that he was striving for somewhat competitive.

Do you think there's a chance that he just didn't know this was a super flex league? It's the off season now for Azar. So I'm not, I wouldn't be totally surprised. you know what i gotta say something about that he i feel like i've heard that line so often from adam after like we're like five to six rounds into one of his drafts or his mox is like no i'm i'm going for like a semi-competitive build here it's like what every time he goes for the semi-competitive commit to one or the other adam you're either building for now you're building for the future when you when you have this semi-competitive approach, it lands you Baker Mayfield in round five like he just took

in this draft right now. Jamie was in our playoff challenge group chat saying that he loved Baker Mayfield last night. Jamie, do you think he gets more than a one-year deal next year? Is he going to be locked up as somebody's starter for multiple years? I would hope Tampa does

the right thing and does not give him a long-term deal because you want to see him prove it again, especially after what he's been through the last couple of seasons. He had a great year, just given all the expectations of how low it was and what he was able to achieve. But it feels like Tampa certainly played over their head in a bad division. They will be a good defensive team. They certainly have a couple of young pieces in place,

but Mike Evans is at the end of his career. Chris Godwin, is he still in his prime or is he getting to the end of his prime? So I would, for me, if I'm Jason Light in the front office there, I would probably try to make it a one-year, two-year type of deal at most with being able to get out of the second deal, more of like a Gino Smith type of contract and then see if you can move on if things do go South. But look, they're going to be in the mix to win that division again. I don't think Carolina, despite what Bryce young may do is

going to all of a sudden make a leap New Orleans in a similar boat. Atlanta could certainly, you know, take advantage of that division by leaps and bounds. But I don't think it's the right move to commit to Baker long-term at his age and just coming off one good season. He needs to be great consistently for a few years for me to give him that type of deal. Dan, we see Kyron Williams and Saquon Barkley go back-to-back in round five here. I feel both like it's a huge value on Kyron Williams and also like he's exactly the kind of profile that terrifies me in Dynasty. Those late round running backs that just greatly exceeded expectations.

But right after him goes Saquon Barkley, another guy who is terrifying to me in Dynasty. Are the Giants going to keep Saquon Barkley around this year? I think this is finally the year they move on from Saquon Barkley, which ultimately could be a good thing, I guess, for his fantasy value to an extent. But I don't think anyone should underestimate just how much the Giants use Saquon Barkley. I don't know if the next team will use him the same way in about 94% snap share type stuff. Like he'll come off the field for his next team. He's 27 years old, injury history, ACL, MCL. I'm with you, Heath. That's the type of asset that scares the hell out of me in Dynasty. On the flip side, Kyron Williams, not as much of an injury history, younger player with a coach that's committed to him,

to a similar type of snap share as the Barkley types, but Barkley's going to be a potential free agent. I think there's a big gap there for me, a bigger gap than maybe for most. I thought Kyron was maybe the best pick. I said earlier maybe it was Taylor, and then I said maybe it was ETN. I would say it's Kyron. I was surprised that Kyron continued to fail, but I guess it comes back to what you were saying before,

that in the dynasty community, there's a little more reservations when it comes to what you just said, a late-round back who makes the rise, similar to Pierce last year. I was going to say, doesn't he have James Robinson type feel, Damian Pierce type feel, just in terms of what these guys have not profiled to be, what they became in the NFL for one season? I mean, they had Kyron in their building for two years, and it took Cam Akers, who we know that they were never really fond of,

to falter once again. Now, granted, he was injured in his rookie season, so who knows how much that factors into it that that foot was more of a problem than we know. But it just feels like, can he do it again? Can he be that type of player again? And I hope so. Believe me, I have him in a couple of dynasty leagues myself. I hope so, but I'm certainly skeptical. It's fair. I don't know why Thomas hasn't yelled at me so, but I'm certainly skeptical. It's fair.

I don't know why Thomas hasn't yelled at me yet, but let's take a short break. And then when we do, we'll get back and read through the round four and round five picks. What does possible sound like for your business? It's having the spend to powers your scale with no preset spending limit. More cash on hand to grow your business with up to 55 interest-free days.

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Okay, so I did start round four off Bryce Young, then Travis Etienne, Devontae Smith, Devontae Adams. So a pair of Devontae's in completely opposite areas of their career. Jordan Addison, Tank Dell, JSN. It's a rookie wide receiver run. Then Tank Dell, or Nico Collins interrupts that. More rookie wide receivers. Rasheed Rice, Zay Flowers. What's that?

Five out of six picks that were rookie wide receivers there in round four. Tee Higgins and rashad white in the round so dan you you took nico collins in the middle of all those rookies are are there any of those rookies that you prefer over nico collins and how would you kind of order the 2023 rookie wide receivers now oh how would i order the 2023 rookie wide receivers now um great question i think i would prefer nico at this point to trying to think if i would prefer him to add i think i would prefer him to addison and dell obviously i said earlier i would have taken him over dell um jsn's the probably the one that's a little trickier for me because i had such

a high eval of him coming out and then zay flowers i took nico over which that's one that i might be regretting. Obviously, on my board, I didn't see him. And I wasn't really, and I was kind of locked in on Nico. The reason I like Nico so much, I'll just make the case, is because I think he's better for fantasy and better for staying on the field than maybe Tank Dell. And I think he's had more time to now develop that report with Stroud. And then Stroud's the big reason why I'm super interested in taking a wide receiver. I like to pair and dynasty my receivers with quarterbacks who are locked in there, both through the rookie contract, then a second contract.

So I'm getting that. So I think situation wise, I put him ahead of some of those guys. The only ones would probably be Zay and JSN ahead for me. Jamie, we've seen all the old quarterbacks here go of late. Kirk Cousins, Aaron Rodgers, Matthew Stafford. I don't know who Acer just took, Russell Wilson. We've still not seen Will Levis taken yet. And I think he's going to get a full year at least next year to start.

He's obviously got the aid. If he proves to be a starting quarterback, could be a starter for the next 10 years. What did you see from him as a rookie, and do you have much hope for him in dynasty? You saw flashes. It's so tough when you get quarterbacks in situations like this where the team is so bad around him. He had an aging DeAndre Hopkins, an aging Derrick Henry, a terrible offensive line, no real second receiver to help him. The tight end situation I thought took a step back in what Chego Conco did from the end of his rookie year to second year.

And so really in a system that didn't exactly allow him a chance to flourish, that Atlanta game was so eye-opening in what he can be, throwing the ball down the field and all the plays that they were able to make. Wait, hold on. Can you push one back? I have the pick I want. I'm sorry. Come on. I didn't even ask you a question jamie's i know i have it i have it i have him i have him uh but in any event um if if i was adam like with the team that he's built will levis makes so much more sense like after stafford and you can make a case rogers too like you got to take upside russell wilson has upside. I don't care where he ends up.

He has no upside. Maybe for one more season, you've got to at least take the type of player who can help you, and I don't think that's the move that Adam made there. So was that Jaden Reed for you, Dan? Jaden Reed is the one I wanted, and I got him. Is he your favorite Packers wide receiver, and how would you separate Reed from Dobbs from Watson from Dontabian Wicks? Like how are you prioritizing these guys?

He's my favorite receiver. I would probably have it read Watson, Dobbs, Wicks in my rankings. And I just think Reed's versatility and the way he wins on his routes makes me most confident that he can be in a league that rewards points, even half or full PPR,

the best contributor longterm for me. That's really where I'm at with it. Like Watson to me, I'm a little bit worried about his injury, like how he'll profile as an injury player moving forward with those hamstrings. And then as far as Dobbs and Wix go, I feel like they're more complimentary players.

Dobbs is an interesting, interesting prospect for sure, but read to me as more upside. That's why I landed on him. We're seeing a little more of a tight end run here at the end of the round with Pitts and Dalton Kincaid going back to back. I may regret not taking one before now. You look at where the tight ends went, Jamie. You've got Sam Laporta in round three, and then in round five, we had Trey McBride, TJ Hawkinson, and Mark Andrews, all three taken. Then here at the end of round six, it's Pitts and Dalton Kincaid.

Is there one that stands out there as a great value? Yeah, I wasn't expecting two tight ends to go after me. I was actually planning on taking Kincaid. So you'll have to forgive me a second while I take a look here at what I need. But in any event, yeah, this is the type of range we expect to see these guys go. They're all superstars, uh, at least have the potential to be superstars. So great value for, I think them in terms of pits, can he thrive in a better system?

You know, that's what I think we're all waiting to see is, you know, who's going to be the coach there and hopefully allow him to be the type of player that he's capable of being. But it's been a, it's been a frustrating two seasons. You know, the, the rookie year was great. Uh, year two, year three, um, you know, very frustrating injuries. Certainly we're part of that also. Uh, but I think, you know, if he gets to play the right spot, which is, you know, more of a, you know, Sam Laporta type tight end. Um, you know, uh. I saw the PFF rankings gave him a little bit too much credit for his blocking. Don't block. I don't want to see Kyle Pitts

blocking. I want to see him running routes. I want to see him running tight end routes, not wide receiver routes. Yeah, this is a good spot to take a chance on. I just hope that, like I know Dan right now is laser focused on not picking in the next 32 seconds so I can reset the clock for him. But I hope that he saw what happened there

because I went to Jamie with a question before Jamie was on the clock. And Jamie talked and picked, and then it was your turn, Dan. It was seamless. Nobody even knew that Jamie was on the clock there taking Terry McLaurin in round six. Jamie, I'm going to go right back to you

because Dan did just make a pick. Let's take a look at your team from the four spots, your quarterbacks, Lamar Jackson and Jordan Love. At running back, you've got Jonathan Taylor and Isaiah Pacheco. And Pacheco was someone who we worried about in that Kyron Williams range of late round draft pick. I will tell you the difference, and I think the reason he stuck than the James Robinson, Damian Pierce guys that you mentioned is there was no coaching change.

Both the other guys had to deal with new coaches coming in and replacing them. I think as long as Sean McVay sticks around, that might be good news for Kyron Williams, but then at wide, wide receiver, you've got Rasheed Rice, DK Metcalf and Terry McCorn.

You've got to feel pretty good about how this has started. Yeah, absolutely. You know, uh, the last turn wasn't exactly what I was hoping for because, uh, Dan, I was considering Jaden Reed. I was, I was kind of looking at a couple of running backs, um, Pacheco being the number one guy. Uh, but I was going to see if Jaden Reed made it there just to get a third receiver, another young guy with, with what I think is huge upside. I do think he's the best Packers receiver. And then, like I said, I was considering, uh, uh, Kincaid, you know, when I looked at, okay, LaPorta was behind me, McBride's behind me, did not anticipate Corey taking two tight ends. So, so smart move by him. If he loves the upside of Kyle Pitts, cause you could play him as a flex. Uh, but in any event, um, to end up with

Pacheco and I like receivers whenever we do the, these type of startup leagues. Most of them are mocks at this point for me, but I do like taking receivers like Metcalf and McBride guys that have shown the ability to be superstars. I think people sort of overlook them a little bit. Metcalf. I think he, if you can answer this at one point was a top three dynasty receiver for you, you know,

before some of his struggles and some of these other guys that have pushed him down the list. So still has that potential. And for me, he's, he's a second guy, second receiver. Cause I think rice will be in that be the number one guy on my roster. And then McBride, look, you're talking about maybe Caleb Williams, maybe Drake may, uh, certainly the, the, the potential of being the best quarterback that he's ever played with, with the idea of a better play caller there, an offensive minded play caller. So, you know for for redraft he's going to be very exciting for dynasty i think he still has a couple more

years to be a potential star and so love the setup for what's coming for the guys in washington so you know there's a couple receivers that are still on the board i don't want to mention their names uh but they could they could also benefit in a big way by a quarterback and coaching change which is coming for sure i just took ginoo Smith one pick after Adam took Derek Carr. I don't know if there's another guy left who I think is going to be starting football games last year. That's why I took Geno. Hopefully, Geno is starting next year.

I expect that he will be. But we have really reached the point to where now the quarterbacks are going to be taking our just hopes. Maybe a Kenny Pickettett maybe a sam howell probably not sam howell maybe a hinden hooker gets selected we're pretty much out of starting quarterbacks in the middle of round seven dan yeah that's how it goes in super flex it there you see guys like you just say like normally you wouldn't take geno smith over calvin ridley but you have to based on the fact that there just aren't that many to go around.

And I think the interesting thing here is there are a few quarterbacks who are still signed under contract, but you don't necessarily know if they're going to be starting next year. Daniel Jones obviously being one of them who could be a starter. Yeah, he'll start next year. They might have to if they can't think of any better solution there. And then obviously you have Sam How howell that was mentioned earlier it's just an interesting prospect in the sense that you we all expect washington to use that pick on a quarterback

especially with a new coach and gm coming in but it's possible they like what they saw on how it's it's unlikely but it's possible and finally travis kelsey comes off the board i was waiting to see when he was going to come off the board here this is late well it is late except for the fact you know there were those whispers that jason and travis were going to retire at the end of this year and we just saw yesterday that jason retired and it's not like travis showed something in the playoff in his first playoff game that made you think oh no he's back he's fine don't worry about him what do you have three drops in that game? Wasn't pretty. So yeah, he had some struggles. I mean, how much of that though was,

was weather related, but you know, after the year that he just had, you know, first year under a thousand yards and, you know, lowest fantasy points per game, if you want to judge that in terms of PPR since 2016 he did say he's not planning to retire, but I don't know how much that is. I just don't want to tip my hand before I play a game, as Jason Kelsey probably did the same. So is that something you factor in?

I would be surprised if he did retire. I think he's going to come back for another year. Yeah, and I would say at this point, I would be surprised if he leads the Chiefs in receiving next year. It does seem like not just this last week, but over the course of the second half of the season, Rasheed Rice has become the best pass-catching option for Patrick Mahomes.

And if they don't add a number one, I think they're going to add someone. So Kelsey, definitely someone. It's hard to rank him for dynasty purposes. I believe the last time I updated mine, I had him at tight end nine. He was not the best tight end available on the board when he was taken with that most recent pick for me, but I think I'm probably a little lower on him than most. Dan, let's take a look at your team here. You started

off with Joe Burrow. You also got two at quarterback. Your running backs are spectacular, Brees Hall and Ken Walker. No wide receivers until round four of a dynasty startup, which I know is rare for you. You end up with Nico Collins, Jaden Reed, and Christian Watson as your top three wide receivers. Your quarterbacks and running backs are good. What about the receivers? It's fair.

And this is not typically the build I like to have and i i was close on a few picks like i was especially i've punted tight end which i don't always do in dynasty i like getting young talent there like i was close with kinkade versus reed i just felt like when both those spots with breeze hall and walker they were the best players overall on my board value wise like by considerable margin um and the next best player in both spots like for when i was debating ken walker it was ken walker kyron williams and then it was just like i'm running back or running back same thing i think during the priest hall pick up there was another player i was considering so i think it was jonathan taylor yeah so you know i just i don't love to have these kinds of builds but when i do make these kinds of builds i tend

to try to win for this year so i was happy to get toua in there. And QB2 I think can help me win now. But I am back on the clock, so I need to focus. Jamie, we've gotten to the point to where most people are getting close to filling their starting lineup out. And you're definitely getting close to the point to where it doesn't feel like there are a lot of starting fantasy options being drafted. Is your process here dictated by what your team looks like so far? If you've got a competitor, then you're drafting those old starters that may only have one year left, and if not, you're just throwing darts at youngsters?

Yeah, I think you've got to kind of figure out what your team is. Do you have an opportunity to win now? Do you have an opportunity to win now and still be competitive down the road or are you just looking completely down the road you know for me i feel like i'm somewhat in the middle like i can win now but i have some you know pieces that will certainly be relevant for the next couple of seasons so i'm not necessarily opposed to you know taking veteran players here that still have plenty of upside uh so i'm going to do that right now well no i'm not going to do it right now because i'm going to um i'm going to i might need to reset so sorry um i uh i know who i'm gonna take next round for example all right

i'm looking forward to seeing who you who you take next round let's uh get it i'll get a quick because everybody's got tight ends after me so if i'm gonna lose another tight end i'm not gonna i'm not gonna risk the taking another player that i want to take here when i see there's four tight ends behind me so right um you know it doesn't make sense. So that kind of threw me off for a second. I'm sorry. Um, so yeah, so I'll probably shoot for a little bit more upside here if I can't, if I don't find anybody that has the chance to, so I'll take a flyer here on someone that I think a lot of people still have some optimism for hopefully can Quentin Johnson. Um, you know, so another young receiver that has the chance to be the number one guy on his team,

at least certainly in the mix, based on how Keenan Allen's situation may unfold. All he has to do is learn how to run and catch at the same time. And I think that other than that, he has all the other physical tools. Dan, are there any of those, any of the rookies that you were excited about

other than Quinton Johnson, who really didn't do much this year, but you're targeting them in the mid to later rounds of startups this year. You think year two is going to be the year? I think, I mean, this is all contingent on a lot of things happening around them, but I think Jalen Hyatt's one that comes to mind for me. I just like what I saw on tape from him, his ability to separate on the vertical plane and then his ability to track that's he reminded me when I watch him in tape of like a word, a much worse. I want to make that clear version of what Deshaun Jackson made work at the NFL and the collegiate level at Cal. And I think that works across the board at the NFL.

You just have to have an explosive thrower, uh, to get him the football down there. And so we'll see if the giants can find him that this off season, but he's someone who comes to mind for sure. And then, you know, this is maybe a little bit further down the board and there's somebody on my mind that hasn't been drafted yet. So I'd prefer to keep that in just until Jamie makes his pick. I don't know if Jamie's thinking in this direction, but if he, Jamie doesn't make this pick, it'll probably be my next pick. Okay. Dan, I'm going to, I'm going to ask you a question about round five. Then listen to these, listen to these round five names and uh and never mind he was just picked earlier by cory it was josh downs it was josh downs okay so round five

we had we had michael pitman his teammates looks like went early in round five the first pick then trey mcbride the pick that dan hated more than any other in this draft no not true then drake london then dk metcalf ken walker a A couple Seahawks going back to back to Jamie and Dan. We've got TJ Hawkinson. Baker Mayfield. That was Adam Azer's first quarterback. The first of three that he took in a row. Then Kyron Williams.

Then Saquon Barkley. Then Mark Andrews. Then we had a couple of older quarterbacks. Kirk Cousins and Aaron Aaron Rogers finished that out. So we see kind of the elite tier of tight ends, McBride, Hawkinson, Andrews,

the old tier of quarterbacks with cousins and Rogers. What are your takes on round five here? That just made my picks. I'm just getting that in George Kittle. I I'm still okay with that. Even in this range, I think it was a little earlier. I'd be more,

more scared of that one. So what, so what was the question again? The round five, say it again, Heath? No, that's okay. We'll just say, I was just saying like, it's kind of a strange picture with those, those elite tight ends, the older quarterbacks and Baker Mayfield. And then I think your favorite pick of the round was Kyron Williams, right? It was of that round. I I'm curious why Kyron fell so so much i guess more of it has to do with just that scared factor but i think he's definitely a different level than pierce even though they were drafted in the same range and some of the other backs that have failed before him in that mold so yeah i definitely like that one we'll take a short break i'll try to run through uh

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will uh read off round six to you you can tell me what you uh your initial thoughts here maybe a worst pick or a best pick george pickens stefan diggs james cook matthew stafford Diggs, James Cook, Matthew Stafford. Debo Samuel. Debo Samuel. I can't, man. My eyes. I went. The bad thing is.

Isaiah Spears, Dayton Reed, Isaiah Pacheco, Will Levis, Kyle Pitts, and Dalton Kincaid. We had a fun conversation in our last redraft, our first redraft mock draft of Tajay Spears and what he can become. Dan's very excited. I'm very excited. I'm curious your thoughts, Heath, on what you think Tajay Spears and what he can become. Dan's very excited. I'm very excited. I'm curious your thoughts Heath on what you think TyJ Spears can be. Assuming that there is no, they've mentioned Derrick Henry coming back, Rand Carthon, the GM talked about that. And we could see, you know, anybody from, let's say like a Joe Mixon, a Saquon Barkley, you know, anybody that, that might be available brought in there, you know, if they're chasing money and they decided to pay them, we saw them do that with Deandre Hopkins. Uh, but if my gosh, if he is the lead guy, I'm curious, he's like how high you would have him ranked in this format in,

in, in dynasty. Cause you know, second year player, uh, obviously has some concerns I think with his knees still, but, um, man, he showed a lot of great flashes and, and, and certainly with a better system around him. Can be a pass catching back. Maybe can be a physical enough presence that they'll be comfortable with him in short yards, goal line situations. But he certainly passed the eye test for me. I know for Dan as well. So where does he stack up for you?

Yeah, I mean, I think when you think about it, the gap between him and Devon Achan probably is not completely fair because I do think he has that type of upside, and we have the same types of questions. Will any team think that either of those guys is a true lead back and that guy guys in that class spears was probably the second of them keaton mitchell who did get hurt this year probably third and then jaleel mclaughlin right there with him just extreme efficiency guys guys that can score you fantasy points in bunches but also huge huge questions um i think the comment i had to some of the other day was it could be alvin camara i don't remember which one i was talking the other day was it could be Alvin Camara. I don't remember which one I was talking about. Probably HN. It could be Alvin Camara and it could be CJ Spiller. Like you get that type of profile, Dan,

and we've seen big hits and we've seen big time misses. Yeah. That's the, that's the, that's the, that's the risk you take with that type of profile. But I think once we get to this stage of the draft, it's obviously a point where we can make those types of risks with,

with less to lose um i was just building up my board and i just found somebody interesting that once he goes off the board i don't think he's gonna make it back to me i'm gonna be curious to get your takes on that um because you asked about i think right now some of the focus can be on and i don't want to give tip away too much of what i'm trying to do the rest of this draft but some of the value you can find in the third year receivers like because we're focused a lot on who's going to be out of that group. You asked me earlier, we talked about Josh downs.

There's still some third year receivers. Yeah. Who had bad second year twos, but maybe have a better quarterback situation developing that could, uh, could spark some interest here, but we'll see if we'll see if I get that player. Dan,

if you want to, if you want to read through round seven, I'm trying to trade it for him when you had the chance. I know what you're talking about, Jamie, and you're correct about that. Dan, if you want to read through round seven, I'm trying to... You should have traded for him when you had the chance. I know what you're talking about, Jamie, and you're correct about that. But round seven, we had Keenan Allen come off the board, the first pick around seven. That's more of a win now pick. Cooper Cup right after it, Josh Jacobs. That's three in a row. I like Jamie's pick a lot of Terry McLaurin. One of the reasons I like that is one, still one of the best route runners in the NFL. You look at the stats, you look at some of the stuff and the work that Matt Harmon does. He's still charting really high McLaurin, but quarterback situation wasn't great for him this year. What

happens next year? I mean, the Washington commanders have the second overall pick. They might, to me, they're the most likely team to move up for one and get Caleb Williams in there. So that changed a lot. Christian Watson comes off the board after Christian Kirk. I like the pick after that he's tied to Trevor Lawrence. If we assume Lawrence will step forward and then some desperation picks a quarterback, Derek Carr and Gino Smith. That was a three in a row from Adam there, Baker Mayfield, Russell Wilson, and Derek Carr.

That's a, it's a rough way to go about, I think in the super flex league, we'll see Calvin Ridley comes off the board after that. And the draft board just went away for a second heat. So yeah, Mike Evans, Travis Kelsey finally comes off the board at the end of round seven and then I I really like the pick of Zach Charbonnet there to to round out round seven obviously it's Ken Walker ahead of him but I saw enough on tape not only at UCLA but in his first year to get me excited about just having him as an asset yeah Jamie you had mentioned Tajay Spears and this idea that I mean the difference obviously between Charbonnet and Spears is that Ken Walker is still going to be in Seattle next year.

But in a vacuum, I think I prefer Charbonnet's skill set and body more in terms of an NFL running back. So how would you weigh those two things when valuing those two guys in Dynasty? Drafting today, I think you lean toward what spears's role could be as opposed to what charbonnet's role could be now granted we have a whole new thing coming in seattle that we have not seen in years and that's p carol gone and so will the new coach slash coordinator decide to you know go away from really just leaning on one guy and maybe incorporate more two backs and i don't just mean like, you know, using Charbonnet in some hurry up situations,

like actually rotating series and maybe making a little bit more of a time share because we didn't see that a lot when, when Walker was healthy, it really was Charbonnet's role when Walker wasn't there. But when Walker was there, it was okay. Pass catching situations and really not throwing to him as much, but pass catching situations we saw. But if we get to a situation where both guys are sharing, I'd rather have the upside of Charbonnet because I think he's as a talent is a better talent.

All right, Dan, you did a great job reading through round seven. So I'm going to ask you to go through round eight in the same type of way. I'm going to make one more pick. We'll each kind of go through our teams and the other two guys can grade each person's team through the first eight or nine picks of the draft. Yeah. So we'll start off round five, uh,

round eight. I'm sorry. With Javante Williams, dynasty stocks really changed in the last year. I would say, um, he went from two years ago, drafting him in the first round.

Some people's ranks, the top 10 had the injury didn't come back the same way. And now his dynasty value is at an all time low. I feel like Stevenson or Mondry was taken after him as another good value pick there. I mean, his dynasty value is as cratered in a lot of ways but he still he still has the talent in him that we saw force a lot of missed tackles in 2022 if he can get back to that level marie cooper comes off the board hold on let me just make this one pick is my guy still there no one pick ahead of me john dotson that's why i want to john dotson i think johan

i'll talk about joh Dotson while you find somebody to pick. Obviously, Jamie, we were both very excited about Jahan Dotson coming into this season. Now, you mentioned it with McCore, and it's probably going to be a new rookie quarterback. It's going to be a new offensive system. Curtis Samuel is a free agent,

so he's probably going to be gone. Is this the guy that we put, just go ahead right now, in July, when you write post-hype sleepers, this is the guy that probably going to be gone. Is this a, the guy that we put, just go ahead right now in July, when you write post type sleepers, this is the guy that's going to be, or third year wide receivers. It's going to be in the, uh,

sitting in the cover. He'll be there. You know, I mean, I still want to see what they do. Um, I thought this was the guy Dan was going to take. Um,

Oh yeah. So I'm, I'm very curious to see, uh, how, how it all unfolds, uh, for, for Dotson, you know, is it, is it a talent thing?

Is, is it a system thing? Um, I think it'll be one of the better value picks here and in this type of format and, and definitely in redraft, you know, a guy that you'll take late, but, um, yeah, I'm look, he was, he was so talented in his rookie campaign. I, I hope it's almost like a Brandon Iuke situation where he just got into coach's doghouse and couldn't work his way out. And then you saw at least in the case of, of Iuke, you know, same coach, but he did all the right things that he had to do to get out of that.

But you know, in the case of new coach coming in, look, if it is Ben Johnson and that's the route that they go, man, there's a lot to like about him in that system. Yeah. I think that the Ben Johnson thing, like we've got all these coaches that were, or a few of them at least, that were pretty excited about what they would mean, Jim Harbaugh, Ben Johnson, for the offensive players. But Dan, there's almost an equal number that are going to get hired that are not going to be very good for the weapons on their new team. Right?

Yeah. That's a, that's a great way to look at it. Not every coach that comes in is going to be able to install system that works for its players. Ben Johnson's one. We have, we,

we have high expectations for, but I think there could be misses as well. It's also always going to be some hits that you don't expect. I don't think people, many people at Bobby slow, like, you know, as being making the impact he made year one with

cj stroud um so we're gonna see some i think you know what the focus for me is going to be on who comes from that chanahan mcveigh tree because that tree is just really hitting right now and i think a lot of it has to do with how that scheme is set up versus the defenses a lot of defenses these days are running pattern match coverages zone coverages in the back end and i think that that system and the and all the coaches that come for that tree in my opinion has the best route combinations to beat those types of coverages i think we've seen that with cj stroud and some of these players but we'll see what happens there i am 12 seconds left i did not do a good job here uh i have guys on my queue

though give me one quick second yeah there you go jamie while dan is uh four minutes to pick the chase brown pick hurt a little bit it hurt i was down to take chase brown but you would have taken him i guess before me so yeah he was queued up all right i i was i was i had daniel jones in my queue so that tells you where we're at in terms of quarterback at this point in the draft jamie why don't you uh run through your team one more time what you've got through what is it is it, 11 picks? And then Dan can do the same with his. So I have three quarterbacks, Lamar Jackson, Jordan Love, my first two picks. As you mentioned, I just took Daniel Jones with a very heavy Giants run for me with my last three picks of former tight end Evan Ingram, Wandel Robinson, and Daniel Jones.

Right behind Dan must be rubbing off on me. But anyway, my quarterbacks are Jackson Love and Daniel Jones. My running backs, only two right now, Jonathan Taylor and Isaiah Pacheco. My receiving core is Rashi Rice, DK Metcalf, Terry McLaurin, Quentin Johnston, and Wanda Robinson. And again, Evan Ingram is my tight end. What do you think Ingram has? One more year left of starter production or maybe just as long as Doug Peterson stays in Jacksonville? I'll tell you what, what he was able to do when Christian Kirk went down was so encouraging knowing that they may move on from Calvin Ridley because if they sign him, it's a very big compensation in return

that they have to give, a second-round pick, which I don't think they want to do based on what Ridley did. So they might work around that by tagging him and we'll see how that all unfolds. But when there was somebody missing, we saw it two years ago. He was great. We saw it this past season at the end of the year,

wasn't the same thing at the beginning of the season, everybody's healthy, but I think he still profiles 29 years old as top 10 upside. You know, once we got past the Titans, like I'm looking at the guys who went after him and I debated debated kittle you know kittle's only a year older right but i think there's a little bit higher ceiling for ingram if in fact there is somebody gone uh i like him better than jake ferguson i like him better than michael mayer and dallas goddard so for me that was the right

time to go get him like i said i regret not getting dalton kinkade you know so i took pacheco uh and then pitts and kinkade went after him so if i got the chance to do that over again i probably would have taken uh kinkade there and then figured out my second running back uh after that have we seen dallas goddard go yes he is uh for for the blind heath cummings uh he went to uh josh walker uh in round 10 you know what the amazing thing was i went to the eye doctor yesterday to get my eye exam. First one in 25 years because I've just never had any eye concerns. Perfect vision. No concerns whatsoever. You're wrong. Dan, why don't you run through your team for us? Wow. That was just a bad evaluation by the eye doctor. I mean, to be fair, I- It was like you watching Trey McBride tape.

Yeah. go ahead. Go watch Colorado State versus the School of Texas Mines, the Colorado School of Mines. Tell me, watch him dominate 210 pound linebacker. But back to my team, Joe Burrow to attack. So I'm going with the pocket passers heavy early winning now in that sense, or at least with Tua. Brees Hall and Ken Walker to headline my running backs.

Wide receiver is going to be a bit of an uphill sled for me. I got Nico Collins, who I like tied to CJ Stroud, Jaden Reed and Christian Watson there, Chris Godwin, Jerry Judy. So some post post post hype there, and then a win now pick with George Kittle. I just didn't really, I don't, I don't necessarily believe as much, much. I would say long term, I guess in mayor or Ferguson, I I'd rather take the early hit here with Kittle. And then Jerome Ford, just to add a third running back there. Like his talent, don't love his situation with Chubb ahead of him. But I also think that that situation could be coming to an end maybe sooner in Cleveland.

In general, I'll bet on Ford's speed, winning at the NFL level, and his age. The combination of his speed and age as an asset. So I'm not for that pick. We talked about it last week with Dave. Nick Chubb, while I know he's been a Mike Evans with Tampa situation, he's a Cleveland guy and they would like to keep him there forever.

His contract situation, he's either taking a pay cut or he's not going to play for the Browns next year. His contract is not set up for him to play on his current contract. We'll see how he recovers from this injury. We'll see. It's not the first time he's done this. He knows how to rehab from an injury.

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