Fantasy Football Today - The ADP Show! Risers, Fallers, Values on Other Sites (08/27 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: August 27, 2020

Who is the most undervalued player in Fantasy? We give you three names to immediately put in your queue. Then we get to the big news on David Montgomery (11:30) and Joe Mixon (12:45). Is Mixon going t...o hold out? And we get into a long discussion about what to do with your late Round 1/early Round 2 picks. Specifically, do Mixon, Josh Jacobs and Nick Chubb belong in this range? ... More news (22:55) as Kalen Ballage is on the move and PHI lost another starting offensive lineman. And then we get to ADP with the risers (28:55) and fallers (37:15) in CBS ADP. A couple of Steelers are moving up while D'Andre Swift and A.J. Green are falling ... Heath has compiled a list of undervalued players and deep sleepers in ESPN (40:00) and Yahoo (45:30) ADP. Get ready to draft Davante Adams and Hayden Hurst on ESPN. You should draft D.J. Moore and Ronald Jones on Yahoo. And there are plenty more names to know ... Your emails at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com Bid on a spot in the 2020 Listeners' League (100% of proceeds to St. Jude): https://www.ebay.com/itm/373174782775 Listen to the brand new Fantasy Football Today in 5 podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-in-5/id1528634304 'Fantasy Football Today' is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Google Podcasts, Castbox, and wherever else you listen to podcasts. Follow the new FFT Twitch channel: https://www.twitch.tv/FFToday Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @YardsPerGretch, @BenSchragg Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCviK78rIWXhZdFzJ1Woi7Fg/videos Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:16 Touchdown. Oh, he's done it again. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, Heath, and Ben. Coming at you on Thursday afternoon, early evening. What time? It's four o'clock. What should I say? Thursday what? Heath, what do you think? Is it evening?
Starting point is 00:01:34 Early evening? It is definitely afternoon. Really? It doesn't feel like the afternoon. It's only one here so we'll split the difference and say it's like three because it's a weighted average of our times. It's almost dinner time. It's going to be dinner soon.
Starting point is 00:01:49 It will be evening when we're done. That's probably true. We're doing a 20-minute show today. Fantasy Football Today in 20. Welcome to the show. A lot of ADP today as we get you ready for what's probably a busy weekend of drafting. I know the following weekend is a very busy weekend for drafting. So we've got a ton of draft prep coming your way on Fantasy Football today in the next eight days or so and then beyond.
Starting point is 00:02:12 And, of course, CBS Sports HQ got you covered noon Eastern, Monday through Friday right now. Throughout the season, we're going to have so much coverage on HQ. We'll tell you all about that. I'm Adam Azer with Heath Cummings and Ben Gretsch, and I've got a lot of segments today. We got news on David Montgomery. We got news on Joe Mixon.
Starting point is 00:02:28 We got news on Saquon Barkley. We got news on Daryl Henderson. We got three players that we pretty much never talk about that I want to talk about, but we're going to focus a lot on average draft position. Who's rising and falling in CBS leagues. And Heath does a great story every year. Values on other websites. Looking at ADP on Yahoo and ESPN. And
Starting point is 00:02:47 we're not criticizing them, just players that we think based on their ADP are going too low or too high. So if you're playing on a Yahoo or ESPN league, we hate you for it, but we forgive you and we'll give you some great values that you can put in your pocket and dominate your league. Let's start with the most undervalued player in fantasy right now. Who is it, Heath? It's Tariq Cohen. And it was Tariq Cohen before David Montgomery got hurt, but it's definitely
Starting point is 00:03:14 Tariq Cohen now. And you just look at last year, as bad and miserable as he was last year, he still had seven of his 16 games where he caught at least six passes. That is PPR gold. And more often than not, that's going to lead to six or seven boom weeks for as a PPR running back. They play week one against the Detroit lions. The most likely scenario at this
Starting point is 00:03:39 point, I would say is that David Montgomery is not going to be there. Tariq Cohen's probably going to be a top 12 PPR running back. And that's not because I think he's going to get 15 carries, but I think if you're giving him eight to 10 carries now, in addition to what he does in the passing game in a game where the bears probably won't be down by a hundred, that's how he's going to start off. And he's going to have multiple of those,
Starting point is 00:04:01 those weeks throughout the year. Okay. Is he only, is Tariq Cohen only the most valuable or the most undervalued player right now in PPR leagues? In leagues where catches count. Like I think I looked at his ADP on a half PPR basis today and it was like round 11 or 12. And so that's still... But if you're in a league where it's just non-PPR,
Starting point is 00:04:28 no catches at all, I think when Montgomery's out, he can still be a fine flex in that format. And maybe when he's not, but he's only the most underrated player in PPR, yes. Okay, fair enough. Ben, who's the most undervalued player? Oh, wait, wait.
Starting point is 00:04:45 You know what? Did we say where Tariq Cohen was being drafted? Probably put that in. Oh, you did? Okay. Well, it depends wildly, I think, on the site. But CBS ADP? Mostly he's available in round eight, round nine of any draft,
Starting point is 00:05:04 it seems like okay and ppr on on fantasy and on fantasy pros and ppr he's going 90th overall uh on cbs he's going 90th overall about that that's where he's going eighth round cool all right ben you're up i don't know i have one for each position but i'll i'll say christian kirk i think christian kirk is the guy that i have not understood he goes at the very end of the kind of top 36 or top 40 receivers i think he belongs somewhere higher than that i don't think he's necessarily like in the michael gallup tyler boyd, but I don't think he is very far off. And I,
Starting point is 00:05:49 yeah, he's been a really big value. There's a lot of guys like we, you know, I've, I've mentioned before, I'm not very high on Marvin Jones, but there's a lot of guys like that.
Starting point is 00:05:57 Some veterans that creep up ahead of Christian Kirk that I just don't understand. I don't see the upside there. And I know we disagree on that Heath with Marvin Jones, but like some, some players like that, Julian Edelman, who's 33 as a new quarterback has played 16 games,
Starting point is 00:06:11 only like three times in his career. I don't, I don't understand how you would take somebody like that. I don't see how that person comes back and has another top 10 year. You're saying you don't see how someone would take Edelman over Christian Kirk. Yes. I don't understand that at all.
Starting point is 00:06:25 Wow. It's very based on 2019. But everyone's doing that. He was a top-time... No, it's not based on 2019. It's based on every healthy year. Every year that Edelman's had in the last five or six years. He's basically been the same exact player.
Starting point is 00:06:37 And the year before last year, he was out for four games. He was suspended. I guess he wasn't injured the year before. And then the year before that, he missed the entire season in 2017. Mostly, it's just based on last year. And then, yeah, the other time he played 16 games in 2016 and the other time he played 16 games in 2013.
Starting point is 00:06:54 Okay, fine. Yeah, those three years. Man, I was like... He was pretty good in 2018, right? Yeah, he was awesome in 2018. The thing is, I was with you when you said Christian Kirk was undervalued, but now you're saying you can't see why someone would take Edelman over him? Really?
Starting point is 00:07:11 Yes. He's 33 years old. But he's been so much more productive. A lot of old guys are productive because they've been in the league a long time. Christian Kirk's in his third season. He played through an ankle injury last year. He was much more efficient as a rookie, had a strong prospect profile, an emerging offense.
Starting point is 00:07:28 Love him as a third-year breakout. You want to buy into breakout players that are emerging. Of course, guys that I'm saying are going to break out for the first time don't have a long production record. Of course. But I think the thing that people, and I don't necessarily disagree. I mean, he was one of the ones I chose off of Yahoo because somehow his ADP is like 160th wow um they just don't like christian kirk
Starting point is 00:07:49 over there um so you should draft him in the double digit rounds on your yahoo draft but um i i don't see first off i think people struggle with the emerging thing because he was so much worse last year than he was in his rookie year. And so it's like, is he getting better? Well, we hope so. Um,
Starting point is 00:08:16 and then I think that other thing is it's like Deandre Hopkins is I'm being conservative with Hopkins and I've got them at 140 targets. I still think it's likely Larry Fitzgerald is going to see a hundred targets. Chase Edmonds and Kenyon Drake are probably going to get close to a hundred targets. And so I, I don't know that there's like, he has to have a ridiculous efficiency year,
Starting point is 00:08:34 in my opinion, to be like a top 20 wide receiver alongside Hopkins. Yeah. But I don't believe he has to be a top 20 receiver when he's going, you know, in the double digit rounds and all those things. I do think he could have a very good efficiency year. We've seen fuller do it alongside Hopkins in a similar way.
Starting point is 00:08:52 I don't know that he's necessarily going to be will fuller. I think fuller is very talented, but Kirk should be used downfield more. Hopkins is going to be more in the intermediate range Fitzgerald's underneath. I mean, it just kind of makes sense. But yeah,
Starting point is 00:09:03 those are really good points. The first one that you said, struggling with the emerging thing, it's a really good way of breaking down the Kirk and Edelman question. For me, Edelman, without Brady, with the injury history, with a completely new offense,
Starting point is 00:09:17 is going to throw away less. There's just no way he can do what he's done in his best of times. His targets per game are going to come down. He's like a top 15 receiver. So I completely agree with you. But in his best of times. His targets per game are going to come down. He's like a top 15 receiver. So I completely agree with you. But at his best, Edelman is like a top 15 receiver and nobody's drafting him to be that.
Starting point is 00:09:32 You know, like you're right. It would be really surprising if he were that good. Like just to get like 95 catches with Cam Newton, it's never happened. I don't think. Right. So I don't even think there's been an 85 catch guy with Cam Newton. I'm just saying he's being
Starting point is 00:09:47 drafted as a number three wide receiver. Nobody's drafting the B, the Edelmanable. We can move on. Go ahead. Wrap up your point. You're making my point for me. It's a philosophical thing where I want to look for ceiling. I do think there is ceiling
Starting point is 00:10:03 with Kirk. There's efficiency potential boom. You just described the player who at best is probably like a wide receiver three, probably if he's only getting like 80 catches, he's an underneath player. He's not going to be making a bunch of big downfield plays. So like, and he's got a huge injury history. He's got a huge floor, a lot of downside to him and not much of a ceiling. And so that's why I say say I can't see it because of the types of players that I'm going to target. Okay, fair enough. I think we all like Christian Kirk.
Starting point is 00:10:29 I didn't mean to disparage Christian Kirk. Just want to bring up Edelman there. You're both wrong anyway. The most undervalued player is Debo Samuel, who I keep seeing going like around 120th overall. I just took him in a draft that we just finished. It was an IDP draft, so he went even later than that, I'm pretty sure. They were defensive players picked, but
Starting point is 00:10:47 Debo Samuel has a chance to be ready for week one. He was seen sprinting at practice. You don't have to draft him as a starter, so you don't need him for week one. If he ends up on the pup list, then okay, then probably maybe he didn't want to take him, but Samuel had a really good rookie year. He'll run a little bit. I take him a lot.
Starting point is 00:11:05 Yay? Nay? Debo Samuel, good value. Well, let me ask you this. Where does Debo have to go for him to be good value? No, he's a good value across the board. I struggle with him just because a lot of his production last year was not something that he's probably going to do again
Starting point is 00:11:19 this year. You don't want to count on rushing stats for receivers, generally speaking. So he has to see an increase in volume and brandon iukes making some plays he's no got no chance to be the number one in targets in that team and they're going to run a ton but i think he's probably like if he plays week one then he is a very good value i just struggle with what his upside is yeah so one thing I will just quickly notice, there's some really good research that I referenced in a second year wide
Starting point is 00:11:47 receiver article on CBF sports, that efficient rookies see more volume. It like, it's a incredibly big increase from year one to year two. We should expect that for Samuel. If he's healthy, I do like, we're also concerned about re-injury,
Starting point is 00:12:01 but he's so cheap, like Adam said, and especially for people like you guys, or maybe not you, Heath, as much, but people who like to take running backs early, Samuel is a really cheap way to get some actual upside into your receiving court. And I think the other thing that probably scares people with him is they see Dante Pettis. Dante Pettis was more efficient in his rookie year in San Francisco
Starting point is 00:12:23 and then just completely fell out of favor. That's true. I thought you meant they see Dante Pettis was more efficient in his rookie year in San Francisco and then just completely fell out of favor. That's true. I thought you meant they see Dante Pettis as in like the reports that Dante Pettis is like, okay, okay. All right, let's get to the big news here. So David Montgomery is out two to four weeks. Their first four games are the Lions, Giants, Falcons, and Colts. So two to four weeks and we're what?
Starting point is 00:12:43 Two weeks away from the season, basically. Two weeks from today. The football season is scheduled to play two weeks. Sunday will be two weeks from David Montgomery's started the season. Does this change anything in terms of him and Tariq Cohen and where they should be drafted? I don't know that it really changes too much for Cohen and where he should be driving. I thought he was a value before the injury. It changed things for me with Montgomery. I don't think you should take him before like the 7-8 turn.
Starting point is 00:13:14 I wouldn't take him even later, I think. Yeah, I mean, and that's like Ben didn't like him as much as I did before he was injured. So it's really what it comes down to, I think, is whether you believe that David Montgomery actually has upside as a second-year runner or whether you think his bad efficiency as a rookie is just what you're going to get. I made the same point you did about Cohen yesterday, though, and I completely agree with that. It shouldn't change Cohen too much, and now, unfortunately,
Starting point is 00:13:42 it might raise his ADP in a way that probably doesn't make sense for the role that he plays because Montgomery shouldn't impact him that much. Okay, Joe Mixon dealing with migraines and perhaps a lack of a contract. He is falling three spots right now in CBS ADP, but he's still 15th overall. Right now, Mixon has fallen behind Josh Jacobs and Nick Chubb.
Starting point is 00:14:04 So what's your read on the Joe Mixon situation, Ben? I'm still concerned about the news we heard on HQ that Gio Bernard is still going to play a pass-catching role. A big reason to argue for Mixon, because we know his late-season run was very heavily rushing efficiency-based, something that's difficult to repeat. A big reason to believe in him was he's going to finally see the passing work, and they're going to realize they need to use him in the passing game because he's not a guy who plays bell cow snaps,
Starting point is 00:14:35 and I don't think people realize that. They don't treat him that way, and they never have, and they didn't last year with a new head coach in Zach Taylor last season. He played over 75% of the snaps. I believe it's only twice, one time. And then he also hit 75 another time last year. Most of the time he's in like the 60s.
Starting point is 00:14:56 And Gio Bernard is playing in a lot of the passing downs. If we're not hearing those types of things, and we're also hearing, yeah, they're going to continue to use Gio Bernard. They still like him in the passing game. i don't think he's viable at this at this draft position but i and also there's this talk of a holdout he so is that a big factor too with mixin are you concerned about him absolutely there's a lot of ways you can't hit this adp but yeah i was just saying that's the one that i'm even more concerned about is the passing game we already are not seeing good signs that would justify where he's going.
Starting point is 00:15:25 But now, yeah, you add in the migraines and the lack of contract and missing practice. There's pretty much nothing good that can come from that, in my opinion. I haven't drafted Joe Mixon once this year, and it's not like I was right, but I'm not lowering him because I had him as a mid-second round pick,
Starting point is 00:15:41 and he's going to fall to the mid-second round now, maybe. But I think the Gio Bernard thing is the biggest thing here. Yeah, but like, okay, Mixon had 35 catches last year. And I always say the 50 catch thing, if you don't have 50 catches, it's very hard to be a top five
Starting point is 00:15:56 running back in any format. We've seen that in the last five years. There have only been three who have done it, Zekio Elliott, Derek Henry, and Aaron Jones, who had 49 catches. But plenty of running backs finished top 12 with less than 50 catches, including Joe Mixon last year.
Starting point is 00:16:09 He was 11th in non-PPR. He was 13th in PPR. It's not like he's completely uninvolved in the passing game. No, I've had him 12th. Right, right, right. I was just setting it up. So he only scored five rushing touchdowns,
Starting point is 00:16:21 three receiving touchdowns last year. For Mixon, like... Okay, Chubb, Jacobs, Mixon. Rank them. In what format? Full PPR. Because all three of them have concerns. I will not draft any of them anymore this year, so it does not matter to me.
Starting point is 00:16:40 Man, the no running back thing, the dead zone has been extended to pick seven now. No, this is not dead zone, but these guys have ADPs that are very high for no foreseeable receiving role. Chubb, we know Hunt is going to play. All that they've been saying in Cleveland
Starting point is 00:16:55 is Hunt's going to play as much as him. But what about 35 catches? That's not enough for you to warrant a top 18 pick? No, you just said the top five thing, and yeah, maybe you'll get a low end RB1, but why would you take that in the top 20 picks of your draft? Why are you trying to get a back end?
Starting point is 00:17:09 It's a great question and I'll tell you why for me because I love the wide receivers I can get in rounds three and four and I still feel like the wide receivers I can get in rounds three and four, especially the ones that you love.
Starting point is 00:17:20 DJ Moore, Calvin Ridley, Juju Smith-Schuster, like they're going so late that Mixon is so much better. Chubb, Mixon, they're so much better, in my opinion, than the other running backs. I know you're going to say skip all those running backs,
Starting point is 00:17:33 but I think a lot of people say, no, I don't mind Joe Mixon, Nick Chubb, Josh Jacobs, even if they're not going to have those 50 catches in round two. And you come back and you take DJ Moore, you take Juju Smith-Schuster, Robert Woods, Cooper Cup, a combination of those four, two of them. Yeah, and you're going to have a lot of really good
Starting point is 00:17:52 fourth place teams this year. I don't agree with that. I'm happy for you for that. Where's the explosive upside? Michael Thomas is better than those receivers. I like them, but you still got to have a good player on your team somewhere. Joe Mixon and Nick Chubb and and josh jacobs are gonna be good let's let's clarify this because i am 100 team been on this if we're talking michael thomas
Starting point is 00:18:14 versus these running backs i don't think that's the decision most people are going to have to make i am team ben there too i'm talking i'm not talking about that elite receiver stretching through julio to the receivers later Adam can get. And the roster you build is a non-elite upside running back and not only an upside receivers probably. I mean, very good receivers that I like too, but I would rather take an elite upside receiver in those top 20 picks. I will go Chubb, Mixon, Jacobs.
Starting point is 00:18:40 And I would take any of them happily in the second half of the first round. But none of them before pick 19. So it's not that much different. Wait, second half of the second round, second round, second round. I want both the tight ends and I want those four wide receivers. And I obviously want Austin Eckler and Derek Henry over them.
Starting point is 00:19:00 But no, I'm happy with those guys in the back half of the second round. I would take them, because that's the point where you're choosing between them and DJ Moore, Chris Godwin, Juju Smith-Schuster, and that's the point
Starting point is 00:19:14 where I'm choosing those running backs. If they fall that far and the two tight ends are gone, there are scenarios where I'd take them. That's not where their ADP is right now, but they do go that late in some of our drafts. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:24 This is, to to me the single biggest decision in fantasy this year. Wow. Wow. Do you have some big music to play or something? This is... Let's see. Mark the tape. I should have some
Starting point is 00:19:39 big music, right? Man, I don't know. Big decision, everybody. Absolutely perfect. big music right uh man i don't know big decision everybody perfect uh i do think it's wait hold on ben i got hold on hold on because it within ben's like argument with me i think we actually have some common ground because i think you know when you talk about Michael Thomas, Devante Adams, Julio Jones, and who's the fourth Tyree kill for sure. Okay. I, I agree. Like,
Starting point is 00:20:08 I think we're basically having a PPR discussion. Yes. Like I am probably taking Julio Jones over them. Although I wouldn't mind getting like Jacobs and Jones. But I think after Julio Jones, the number five wide receiver for me, it's probably Godwin.
Starting point is 00:20:28 I think I'm taking at least two of those three running backs that we just talked about. I'm definitely taking Mixon and Jacobs over him. That's probably fair. I don't know about Chubb. There is common ground there. What about Kelsey and Kittle for you? Kelsey over Chubb, I actually made that decision in a draft
Starting point is 00:20:44 today, I think. I don't. I actually made that decision in a draft today. I think I don't remember. I made that decision. Kelsey over Chubb. I'm going to do that in full PPR, not in half, not non. And I think I'm still going to take mixing and Jacobs over Kelsey,
Starting point is 00:20:58 but I could set definitely see the argument. I actually think we have more in common on this than, than you think we do. Cause yeah. Yeah. Maybe I was saying the top 20 picks all their adp that i'm looking at is in the top 18 and but he as he noted there's only so many players can go in the top 18 and he said he would take him outside the top 19 so we are kind
Starting point is 00:21:16 of all like saying similar things like some of these guys do fall outside the top 20 sometimes that's not ridiculous yeah actually if we had dave and Jamie on here, the argument might be different, but I feel like the three of us are not taking... We don't see Joe Mixon as a first-rounder in PPR. Jamie has come around on that as well. I think he is now taking Jacobs over Mixon. He is pretty concerned about
Starting point is 00:21:38 this situation with Mixon. I'm not even concerned. It's exactly what it's always been. It's like, oh, Gio Bernard's going to have a role in the passing game. Yeah, duh. No, I think he even concerned. It's exactly what it's always been. It's like, oh, Gio Bernard's going to have a role in the passing game. Yeah, duh. No, I think he is concerned about the murmurs about the migraine and the hold-in and if there's anything going on there. And we don't know.
Starting point is 00:21:57 Okay, I got you. And Adam, I've been taking Joe Mixon in the first round and pretty much any time I'm in that nine spot. And I can't take him in the first round right now we're too close to the season to take any sort of risk when I love the running backs right behind him so and I think that's interesting comparing him to Miles Sanders and Ken and Drake and my take is that I'm just taking those receivers over all those running backs because I agree with what Shraggy said and I Ben and I are definitely taking Miles Sanders right
Starting point is 00:22:22 I'm still I was high enough on Sanders before the concerns that I'm still willing to take that plunge. Not as high as I was, but he doesn't fall down that far, so far from me that I wouldn't draft him anymore. I'll take him at 13. But I'm taking the four receivers, and I've always been taking Eckler and PPR over him. Typically one of those, so you have him ranked 13th, but typically one of those receivers is there'm still, I'm, I mean, I've always been taking Eckler and PPR over it, but typically one of those,
Starting point is 00:22:47 so you haven't ranked 13th, but typically one of those receivers is there at 13, right? Some of the guys you have behind it going. So yeah, it's a weird discussion because like the way that you have it ranked might not be the way that it, that it actually lays out. But,
Starting point is 00:22:58 uh, Sanders, I think around the one, two turn, I'm still willing to consider for sure. Yeah. And I think that for those of you who, you know,
Starting point is 00:23:04 you're worried about you're drafting a player and you're kind of like nervous about it. I mean, I think that's why the most recent draft that did where I had the 12th pick when I went receiver running back ended up being pretty good or running back receiver, whatever it was, it was Drake Julio Jones.
Starting point is 00:23:16 I didn't feel like taking two running backs. That was a little bit too risky. So that was a full PPR league. So that that's an option for you to a little bit. Like you get the safety with Julio Jones and you get a big upside play with a guy like Kenyon Drake. That could be a good way for you to start as well. Yeah, go ahead.
Starting point is 00:23:34 Nothing. It was the same thing that I argue about every time we frame it like that. And there's no reason for me to keep arguing. Oh, you're saying Julio. No, Julio does have huge upside. Is that what you're saying? Right. But he's also safer than
Starting point is 00:23:45 Drake and you can you drink for sure mix and write like he's in a PPR why I would just take him over them. Well I did but I didn't take it but I wanted one running back and one wide receiver there right. All right. So I said to you guys before the show. I got a lot to talk about. We got to go really fast.
Starting point is 00:24:02 Oh, well Daryl Henderson expected to be ready for week one. Heath, give me your two cents on when to draft the Rams running backs. I was pretty disappointed in our most recent draft that Cam Akers
Starting point is 00:24:18 was taken right before me and I had the 11th pick in the sixth round. I probably wouldn't have taken him more than like 10 picks before that. But sixth round for Cam Akers feels right. I'm glad Daryl Henderson's going to be back for week one, but I'm still pretty down on him for missing this practice time because he's not an established veteran that they knew what they had.
Starting point is 00:24:41 He has to prove something. He didn't prove anything at all last year. So I'm probably still not taking Henderson until round 12. And I took Malcolm Brown in round 22 of the same draft that I just missed acres. I think he should go probably in like the late teens, but I still expect Malcolm Brown to start week one. And I probably think he'll score the most fantasy points amongst Rams running backs week one. In this draft that Heath is talking about,
Starting point is 00:25:09 I took Cam Akers two picks before Heath in round six, three picks before Heath in round six. I took Daryl Henderson in round nine, middle of round nine. All right. The Jets are acquiring Kalen Balazs. Does this matter?
Starting point is 00:25:25 It matters that it's hilarious. Yes. Play the laugh trick. Play the laugh track. Adam Gase. Oh, man. Trading for a running back is always usually a bad move. Trading for a really, really bad running back.
Starting point is 00:25:43 I don't care if it's a conditional seventh round pick. You gave up something, anything for Galen Balazs in a trade. Does it matter for Le'Veon Bell? No. Okay. Rex Burkhead has been involved for the Patriots. He's not invisible. Does that matter?
Starting point is 00:26:00 I took Rex Burkhead in the 24th round of the draft. We keep citing. I think it matters for the upside of Damian Harris, Sony Michelle, Lamar Miller, whichever one wins that job. Because if Rex Burkhead is healthy, I think he's going to touch the football six to eight times per week. With James White taking passing downs work, that makes it really hard for the other guy to be a great fantasy option.
Starting point is 00:26:29 Bingo. Pete Carroll says Carlos Hyde will be a big factor for Seattle. Do you buy it? No. You can't buy anything Pete Carroll says. That's kind of true. Philadelphia left tackle Andre Dillard is out for the season with a torn biceps.
Starting point is 00:26:45 That is the second starter on the offensive line to go out. I was worried about left tackle before Andre Dillard. He's completely unproven. This does feel like a big story in terms of just the Eagles offensive line, which has been a great offensive line. And, you know, we love Miles Sanders. Carson Wentz is a high draft pick.
Starting point is 00:27:06 What are your thoughts here, guys? Is this a, how big of a deal is the Eagles offensive line in general? I think it's pretty significant. Did you say Dillard's unproven? He was good last year, right? He was like very good. Not at left tackle. He's moving to left tackle. Oh, well now they're going to have to move Jason Peters out there.
Starting point is 00:27:22 He was re-signed and brought back to take over the guard spot, and now he's probably going to be back at left tackle. Jason Peters is still probably pretty good, but he's older. And if they keep running into more injuries, if Peters can't stay healthy, they're going to be in a tough spot. I'm going to, like, I took Carson Wentz in the 12th round of the draft that we did today. I'm going to revisit my Eagles
Starting point is 00:27:46 overall offensive efficiency today. So yeah, I think it does matter their state of their offensive line. Okay. Do you guys, can you confirm that? I'm pretty sure he did not. Peters was their left tackle last year, right? Yeah, I was just going to look it up.
Starting point is 00:28:03 They're swinging him over to the left side he was their first round pick last season and i remember a lot of positive buzz about him if i i know in camp he had been getting pushed around a lot but yeah um i don't recall i i think you're right adam but i wouldn't wager anything i would never wager on that yeah he didn't play full time i'm looking at a snaps throughout the year. He did play full-time from about week six to week nine, and then he played a lot again in week 12, and maybe that's just when Peters was missing some time or something.
Starting point is 00:28:34 Okay. So, Saquon Barkley, there was a report that maybe he could be more involved in the passing game. He's been kind of like a 60-catch guy somewhere around there since the second half of his rookie season. First half of his rookie season, he was Matt Forte. He was like a 115-catch guy.
Starting point is 00:28:52 Since then, more like a 60-catch guy. What do you think for Barkley? How many catches? 60-ish. Yeah, like Daniel Jones is a bigger concern for me than anything just because that style of quarterback doesn't generally lend itself to a lot of...
Starting point is 00:29:06 And it didn't last year. I think he was on an 80 target pace in games at Jones. So if he gets 80 targets, it's probably 60 catches. Okay. Hey, we got a new podcast, Fantasy Football Today in 5.
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Starting point is 00:30:01 Okay, James Conner on CBS. I got three risers and three followers. James Connor. Heath can reference the draft that we just did because he was, I'm sure, very pleased. I'm sure took Connor. To get him in the third round. I thought Heath was going to take him in the second round.
Starting point is 00:30:16 Heath ended up getting him early in the third round, but he's currently up three spots to 31st overall. That might keep on rising. When should we take James Connor? I would say that the third round is a great time to take James Connor. For me, he's, and Jamie has talked about Aaron Jones being the bridge back. James Connor is that guy. And I've kind of come around on Chris Carson and having concerns about him. I've dropped him a little bit in my rankings, but I still feel pretty good about Connor
Starting point is 00:30:47 at the end of that run of running backs that are solid high end number two backs. I pretty much agree with all of that. I've gotten a little bit more excited about Jones actually. So I'm moving him up a little bit. But I was going to say I would be more excited to Jones, actually. So I'm moving him up a little bit. But I was going to say I would be more excited to take Connor at his ADP than the Mixon, Jacobs, and Chubb trio that we talked about earlier.
Starting point is 00:31:12 And Connor is the one guy from that group that I've been railing on all offseason. Gurley, Gordon, Carson, Bell, David Johnson, Fournette. Connor's the one guy that has now moved ahead of Jonathan Taylor in my rankings. He moved Jonathan Taylor down a spot. So, Ben, let me just pick this apart a little bit, okay?
Starting point is 00:31:29 Oh, no. Because if James Conor continues to rise, you probably can't choose to take him at his ADP over Chubb, Mixon, and Jacobs. You probably have to choose one or the other. Because, yes, if you're saying, I'll take a wide receiver in round two and skip those guys,
Starting point is 00:31:47 and then I'll take Connor in round three, great. But what if you don't think you're going to be able to get James Connor with your next pick, and you just straight up have to choose Joe Mixon? I don't take him.
Starting point is 00:31:57 Yeah, I'm not suddenly going to jump all over running backs because of James Connor. But yeah, if I get him at a good value in the third round, I'll take him. All right. The height of James Connor. But yeah, if I get him at a good value in the third round, I'll take him. All right. The height of James Connor 2018 was probably worthy of like a top eight pick. He probably won't get the same workload
Starting point is 00:32:13 like I've been mentioning. They don't give him the carries, but will he get the catches? That's a big question for me. Will he get he's been a big part of the passing game. He was RB six playing 13 games in 2018. He was RB9 before he got hurt last year. So I think the expectation is he's going to be,
Starting point is 00:32:32 like you're getting a top 12 back on a per game basis. Let's see how many games he can make it through. And listen, if we're going to draft Dalvin Cook fifth, we probably shouldn't drop James Conner down to the third round. Okay. so how about Juju Smith-Schuster? He's the next riser. Steelers are on the rise. He's up four spots
Starting point is 00:32:50 to 42nd overall. Still after Adam Thielen and Amari Cooper before DJ Moore and Calvin Ridley. I think our rankings are going to be a lot different than the ADP, but Juju's on the rise right now, and Ben, it makes sense. Yeah, I mean, it feels like a little bit of a correction there, too. Up to 42nd overall almost feels a little bit on the rise right now. And Ben, it makes sense. Yeah, I mean, it feels like a little bit of a correction there too.
Starting point is 00:33:05 Up to 42nd overall almost feels a little bit on the lower side. You see him go in the late second in some formats, not frequently, but typically in the third round. That's still an early fourth round pick. So yeah, I think this is a guy we've talked about as having the potential, if Roethlisberger's right, to be right up there with the target leaders in the entire NFL. Obviously, he's got to be right as well but uh phenomenal prospect immediate producer at a very young age immediate monster second season
Starting point is 00:33:34 at 22 then he has a down year last year at 23 but you got to give him one mulligan and you you go back to the well at least i'm going to. I will be very curious when we do this next week if he's still rising. And I think he's still too low. He's at least around too low. But the reports the last couple of days have been very favorable to non-Juju Smith-Schuster pass catchers.
Starting point is 00:34:01 And there was a report that came out from The Athletic, I think, today that said that it's been hard to spot highlight things that he's doing. Well, I just, I feel like he hasn't been on the field that much. Juju. I thought that was true.
Starting point is 00:34:13 Yeah. That was partially true too. Yeah. And that's one of those reports. We talked about like, what reports do you care about? Like, that's an opinion.
Starting point is 00:34:20 Like we like the, the ones that are talking about usage. He's running with the first team, this, that, and the other thing like, Oh yeah, I, I'm not going to weigh that too much personally. I agree with that other than I do think you should weigh negative opinions more than positive opinions.
Starting point is 00:34:33 Fair. Because most of it's fluff right now. Well, I had a segment in today's show that I doubt we'll get to called A Trip Down Memory Lane. I looked at August 14th through the 28th of my notes last year just to get some of these types of reports and see which ones were accurate. Philadelphia likes JJ
Starting point is 00:34:53 Ortega Whiteside, who could be a factor this season, according to Yahoo. Matt Nagy says Mitchell Trubisky is recognizing defenses much better this season. But to be quiet, and I have a note from August 16th last year that says Todd Gurley ran 100 miles per hour. So he must have done something really fast
Starting point is 00:35:11 in practice or something. I don't know. And also the Charlotte Observer said this about Curtis Samuel last year. He makes one or two plays every day that bring a wow factor. And it's a safe bet that the same continues once the regular season gets underway.
Starting point is 00:35:24 Now I've highlighted the funny ones. The truth is, the reports that I found in my notes, my podcast notes, were pretty good last year. Like, they were pretty accurate. They led us in the right direction a lot. So, I thought that was kind of interesting. Maybe we'll have a chance to go through some of those good ones.
Starting point is 00:35:43 And what's so different about this year is the reports are all we get. I know. was kind of interesting. Maybe we'll have a chance to go through some of those good ones. And what's so different about this year is the reports are all we get. I know. Like, we got nothing else except for if you want to watch highlight videos of catches.
Starting point is 00:35:53 T.Y. Hilton. Yeah, look at him now. There was a note here you had that DJ Chark was the most impressive receiver for Jacksonville. That's one we should have listened to.
Starting point is 00:36:00 I know, yeah. T.Y. Hilton is up 10 spots to 60th overall. He's still going after Keenan know, yeah. T.Y. Hilton is up 10 spots to 60th overall. He's still going after Keenan Allen and A.J. Brown, but before D.K. Metcalf, Terry McLaurin, and Cortland Sutton.
Starting point is 00:36:12 And if Metcalf, McLaurin, and Sutton are round six picks, you're going to like your round six pick. But T.Y. Hilton is on the rise, and this one didn't really... I don't know where it came from. I'd say some name recognition.
Starting point is 00:36:28 Should he be ahead of Metcalf, McLaurin, and Sutton? He should not be... His ADP before this was 72, right? 670, I think. That's too low. He should be rising. All those wide receivers feel too low. I'm taking all of those young guys
Starting point is 00:36:46 ahead of T.Y. Hilton every day of the week and twice on Sunday, personally. Surprising absolutely no one. No, I am taking McLaurin. I would definitely take T.Y. Hilton over Metcalf. What about Sutton? Coin flip?
Starting point is 00:37:04 I'd probably take Hilton, but it's close. Okay. We're going to take a quick break here on Fantasy Football today. We've got ADP fallers on CBS, Josh Allen, DeAndre Swift. And did I not? Oh, no. I need another one. I need another faller. I only found two. Okay. I'll do that during the break. And then we'll look at ESPN and Yahoo, and Heath will tell you where the value is. And we've got some more stuff, hopefully, we'll have time for the break. And then we'll look at ESPN and Yahoo, and Heath will tell you where the value is. And we've got some more stuff hopefully we'll have time for. But we'll be right back with some ADP followers. Whether in the game or in life, the right coverage can make all the difference.
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Starting point is 00:38:28 Josh Allen falling in the CBS ADP. 12 spots to QB 9. Now 66th overall, but, you know, there won't be nine quarterbacks off the board in the first 66 picks in our drafts, but hey, maybe in your drafts they will. He's behind Tom Brady, He's behind Drew Brees. Josh Allen is falling.
Starting point is 00:38:48 Ben, does that make sense? Josh Allen falling? Yeah, a little bit. There's talk that he doesn't want to run as much. I'm more excited now, and probably earlier I was focusing on Allen for his rushing, but I'm more excited now in Matt Ryan. I had moved Carson Wentz ahead of him.
Starting point is 00:39:07 I've got to rethink that with the offensive line issues in Philadelphia, but yeah, I'm, I'm bumping Allen down a little bit myself as well. Okay. Next is Deandre Swift. He's down 11 spots to 67th overall, just after Josh Allen. Deandre Swift is now going after Raheem Mostert and Ronald Jones,
Starting point is 00:39:21 but before Kareem Hunt and Cam Akers, Cam Akers is also down eight spots. Swift is banged up a little bit, Heath. Is that contributing to it? And is 67th overall the right time for Swift? I think we're now at a full week without DeAndre Swift practicing, right? Close. Yeah. I think it was last Thursday when he injured it. So yeah, I think this makes sense. As I was saying, I would rather have Akers right now than I would Swift. And I think round six
Starting point is 00:39:50 is a good spot for both of them. So this makes more sense to me than round five did. AJ Green is a faller, down eight spots. Now, I don't really get what's going on with our wide receiver ADP.
Starting point is 00:40:01 If this is actually happening, then that's just really interesting to me. But he's 97th overall. Will Fuller's 96th. Michael Gallup's 96th. Jarvis Landry, 96th. Oh, you know what? I'm looking at it. Okay. I'm actually a round off.
Starting point is 00:40:20 Look at a different column. What am I looking at? Oh, okay. Sorry. He's 81st overall. AJ Green, different column. What am I looking at? Oh, okay. Sorry. He's 81st overall. AJ Green, my bad. 81st. It's still kind of late. And Tyler Boyd, Devante Parker, AJ Green, Jarvis Landry, 80 to 82nd overall. What do you think, Heath? That's, I took AJ Green in our draft today in round seven. So I think that's where I'm comfortable with the risk. The other guys don't really fit with AJ Green because they all have better floors for sure.
Starting point is 00:40:54 But I don't think anybody in that range has a better upside. Right. There's a question of when do you pull the trigger on AJ Green? What's the answer there? Who has to be off the board before you're like, all right, it's time. It's round seven for me. For me, it's after Fuller's off the board. It's after Gallup's off the board.
Starting point is 00:41:12 It's after Boyd. It'd be before Keenan Allen, but I don't usually get him. Yeah, well, Heath takes him, I guess. Yeah. Took him in the draft we did today. Okay, Heath, should I stop drafting on cbs and just go win on other websites no you should definitely not do that that would be an unpleasant experience
Starting point is 00:41:32 because nobody's product is as good as ours true everyone should draft on cbs but i have a draft on sunday that's on um espn and i have one on wednesday that's on yahoo like that that happens we play on different sites so it's good to know where the values are. What do you want me to give you? These two or three at a time? How would you like to do this? Yeah, why don't you give us these three? So look at ESPN first and these three wide receivers
Starting point is 00:41:56 that you've identified right out of the gate as good values. And ESPNs, it's good to know what the standard setting is at each of these places. ESPNs is full PPR to know what the standard setting is at each of these places. ESPNs is full PPR. Yahoo's is half PPR. So just kind of keep that in mind.
Starting point is 00:42:11 Shockingly, Devontae Adams is 19th in ESPN ADP as the fifth wide receiver behind DeAndre Hopkins, Tyreek Hill, Julio Jones, and Michael Thomas. Calvin Ridley is wide receiver 20 in the fourth round, which fourth round for Calvin Ridley is what we're seeing on a lot of sites, but wide receiver 20 right behind him, Cooper Cup at wide receiver 21 at 45th overall. Yeah, that's pretty damn good.
Starting point is 00:42:42 Yeah, I would not mind starting my team with two running backs, although if Devontae Adams were there, I'd have to take them late in the first round and then getting Calvin Ridley-Cooper Cup. I mean, if it's three-receiver league, you take all three of them. This makes the Michael Thomas- Devontae Adams start
Starting point is 00:42:58 possible from the middle of the draft. It's true. James Conner's going 51st overall. I don't think we have to expand on that, but James Conner draft him. Yeah, round four happily and three Cohen 90th overall. Yeah, I guess we don't
Starting point is 00:43:13 have to expand on that. So Hayden Hurst tight end 12 112th overall. I drafted him today in the draft. This is amazing. In round eight. And that was an eye-opener for me because a lot of times I'm ending up with Hunter Henry
Starting point is 00:43:32 or Darren Waller because someone's reaching for Hurst before the end of that tier of three in front of him. And I think that's only an industry thing. That is not happening in normal drafts. And if you want to wait on tight end, Hayden Hurst is probably going to be there in round 9 or 10.
Starting point is 00:43:52 Deep sleepers on ESPN Heath. Yeah. Antonio Gibson at pick 147. Chase Edmonds at pick 187. Jonu Smith at pick 189 89 and Alan Lazard at one 90. I think Ben would be very happy with the running backs.
Starting point is 00:44:11 I took in the team that we just drafted, but I was, cause I think I didn't take chase Edmonds. I think I took Alexander Madison. How do you choose between Alexander Madison? I have Latavious Murray and Madison. That's what it was. Latavious Murray,
Starting point is 00:44:23 Alexander Madison, chase Edmonds, Tony Pollard. How do you decide who you want? It depends on the rest of your running back group. For me, I'm usually waiting a little longer for running backs. And then when I'm building out my running back group, I want a mix of upside and startable players.
Starting point is 00:44:41 I mean, I don't just shoot for floor, but I need a couple of guys that have some floor and then Pollard and Madison are obviously they're, they're more pure handcuffs. I think Evans could have a role. Uh, who was the other, you said? Latavious. Yeah. I have those guys all ranked within five spots of each other in my rankings.
Starting point is 00:44:59 I have Edmonds highest than Madison Pollard and then Murray two spots behind Pollard. But all of those guys I would take uh depending on where I'm at and what I've built out so far um it would just it would be uh when you're drafting a team you got to consider like what what do you have covered do you have floor covered at this position do you have uh enough upside built into your roster Edmonds I think has tons upside and some potential standalone value. That's why he would be highest for me. But Madison Pollard are both upside guys as well.
Starting point is 00:45:30 I think it's an interesting exercise to ask. If you told me, this hopefully doesn't happen, but all four of those starters are not playing, who do you rank the highest? Probably Pollard. Latavius. I just saw it last year, and he had two weak winning games. Yeah. I think it's Latavius or just I saw it last year and he had two week winning games
Starting point is 00:45:45 yeah I think it's Latavius or I don't know Madison actually I that's the thing is like Madison has probably the most likely back to get injured in front of him yeah but Madison would probably be fourth for me if that were to happen because I'm less
Starting point is 00:46:02 certain that he would get all the targets I think they all be really good though. Yes, they'd all be top 20 running backs. Yeah. This is a super important discussion. Speaking of super important discussions, when you're taking your backups, think about this question. If they actually get their chance, how good would they be?
Starting point is 00:46:18 Not just, oh, I think that guy in front of him is injury prone. He's going to get hurt. That stuff's hard to predict. How good would he be? How much are you giving yourself legitimate upside? Okay. So to recap ESPN, Devante Adams, Calvin Ridley, Cooper Cup, they're going too late. Devante Adams, 19th, Ridley, 42nd, Cup, 45th as wide receivers, 20 and 21. James Conner is 51st overall. Tariq Cohen, 90th overall. Hayden Hurst, 112th overall. The 12th tight end off the board. Deep sleepers on ESPN. Antonio Gibson,
Starting point is 00:46:48 Chase Edmonds at 147. Edmonds at 187. Johnnie Smith, 189. Alan Lazard, 190th overall. And it probably doesn't matter what those numbers are because most drafts on these two sites are not deep enough for people to be
Starting point is 00:47:04 drafted. That is more of a percentage of the drafts where they're just not getting drafted at all. And a lot of those guys in the one eighties aren't. So like those are, I just looked for guys after the first 13 rounds. All right. So let's go over to Yahoo. Who are the standards?
Starting point is 00:47:19 Remember half PPR as he'd mentioned, that's the default on Yahoo. It's the two running backs in the second round. Miles Sanders at pick 20, Austin Eckler at pick 23, and I love both of those. Yeah. If you had the 12th pick and they were both there, would you take them, both of them?
Starting point is 00:47:39 Heath? I might. If Adams was gone, yeah. DJ Moore, 39th overall wide receiver, 14. Y'all know how much we love him. So how about these mid-round picks that you like on Yahoo, Heath? Yes, Ben.
Starting point is 00:47:59 I'm going to say something nice about Ronald Jones. Nice. 87th overall on Yahoo. So I think it's a good question for Ben because I'm not actually targeting Ronald Jones, but if I was in round six or seven and needed a running back, I would take him.
Starting point is 00:48:16 But as someone who has taken him at the end of round four or often in round five, if you were in a league where you see his average draft position on this side is this, and you're not with industry experts, how long do you wait and risk missing him? Yeah, it's a really good question. I would have to, I mean, I hope you know your league a little bit. If I don't know my league very well, I probably don't go much later than round six.
Starting point is 00:48:41 The leagues where I've taken him in round four are non-PPR only. In PPR, I will start considering him later in round five. But if you know you can wait on him, then yeah, I would push that back to round six. If you think you're in a league with a lot of people who aren't really paying attention to these kinds of things and kind of just draft off the list,
Starting point is 00:48:58 then I might wait till round seven. Hey, guess what? I drafted Ronald Jones in the draft we did today, round five. Okay, so Ronald Jones, pick 87. You also like T.Y. Hilton, 69th, and Kareem Hunt, 75th overall. Yeah, and I like Hunt more than Hilton in that range. I mean, I like Hunt more than Ronald Jones. So I'd be happy to take, like, if I could take Kareem Hunt in round five
Starting point is 00:49:20 and Ronald Jones in round six, I don't really need to take any running backs in the first four rounds. Marvin Jones, ooh, 117th overall. Where's the respect for Marvin Jones? Ben, would you take Marvin Jones in round 10 or is he just, no, off your board? I mean, I'd consider it, but probably the way I'm building my roster,
Starting point is 00:49:41 I wouldn't have a need for that type of a receiver at that point is the real answer. It's not that I don't think he's a decent enough value at that point. Okay. Yeah, it's a good value on Marvin Jones. Zach Moss. Sorry, I'm just going to wrap up. Zach Moss, 135th overall. Latavius Murray,
Starting point is 00:49:58 139th overall. And we've heard good things about Zach Moss. Maybe he's their passing downs guy, but 135th overall. Some people in our good things about Zach Moss. Maybe he's their passing downs guy, but 135th overall. Some people in our league are taking Zach Moss, I don't know, late round six, round seven, round eight, six to eight, I'd say. So getting him in the double digit rounds is great.
Starting point is 00:50:16 That was the thing that I loved the most about this exercise was like guys that I never get to draft because I'm drafting with the same seven guys every single time. I'm like, oh, they're a every single time. Yeah. I'm like, Oh, they're a nice value on this side. I'm like,
Starting point is 00:50:28 go over there. Our fin is not and get some of that guy. All right. The deep sleepers on Yahoo. Jamison Crowder is 150. Whoa. Now he's not as valuable in half PPR, but I think he's still probably a number three receiver.
Starting point is 00:50:44 Yeah. Wow. Like that would be, in my opinion, like the kind of guy you want to pair. If you've got several high upside wide receivers that don't have very much floor, Jamison Crowder can cover you. Jamison Crowder, his 16 game pace based on 13 games with Sam Darnold, 86 catches, 933 yards, seven touchdowns. Who else? Tony Pollard, 163. Christian Kirk, 166.
Starting point is 00:51:11 Preston Williams, 179. And Boston Scott, 190. Ben doesn't even need his first 10 picks. He can just draft all of his guys. Kirk and Scott are going to be that late? Good Lord. The Preston Williams thing,
Starting point is 00:51:26 I could have cited him on any site. I don't know that I can find a site where he has an ADP in the first 140 picks. And I just think he's like, that's a guy who was good as a rookie. In his first eight games, he was leading the team in targets. Like that is a huge thing.
Starting point is 00:51:48 And he was a monster his final year in college. And so if he's fully healthy, I think there's no reason he should be available in the double-digit rounds. All right. So that's a recap. And there's a story on the website on cbssports.com slash fantasy.
Starting point is 00:52:05 If you missed anything, check out heat story always good stuff and i could say i have one fantasy baseball league that's not on cbs and it is my best league because the adp on the other site the rankings on the other site it's just just not in my opinion not as good as the cbs rankings and i you know you take advantage of it. Okay. Let's read those emails that I have somewhere in this big document of notes. Here we go. From Calvin Fournier.
Starting point is 00:52:36 Hey, Jonathan, Joey, Jordan, Donnie, and Danny. He told us what it is. I would not have gotten it. I'm proud to say I wouldn't have gotten it. That's New Kids on the Block. I had a New Kids on the Block shirt when I was a child. And you didn't know that? The names? No, I knew it. You just said it too quick. What? I gave you like three seconds.
Starting point is 00:52:53 There's been a lot of hype over Miles Sanders, and I was all in at first, but now that I take a closer look at who he faced at the end of the year, I'm not so sure. His big finish came up against Miami, the Giants twice, Dallas and Washington. He got less than four points against New England, and if he didn't have that one big run against the Bills,
Starting point is 00:53:08 he wouldn't have had a big game there either. Does this concern you about Miles Sanders? It concerns me that you said less than four points instead of fewer than four points, but that's all. Oh, the editor, editor-in-chief. I think it's a worthwhile point. The only thing I'd say is the Giants actually did have a very good run defense,
Starting point is 00:53:24 but he wasn't good against the Giants the first time, at least per carry. The second time he was, but he got hurt in that game. But it is one thing that has always been in the back of my mind with Miles Sanders, because I think the NFC East has a pretty tough schedule. There's some good run defenses in there, and they face the AFC North.
Starting point is 00:53:48 So, I don't know. I mean, does it, does it bother you? Not really. Yeah. He's a high value touch guy. I mean, he had a couple of games, like one of those giants games, he rushed for three yards per carry at 45 rushing yards. Then one of the Dallas games, he rushed for sub four yards per carry at 79 rushing yards, but he caught five and four balls in those games. He caught three or more in every game after week five, except one. So if you're going to get three receptions every game and you're going to be able to score, I think it looks like he had six total touchdowns last year.
Starting point is 00:54:16 It's not amazing, but you're going to be able to score maybe close to a touchdown every other game late in the year. He was certainly doing that. You're going to be fine. You're going to be a good player. The touchdown thing that Ben brought up is the thing that concerns me a little bit more than the schedule thing
Starting point is 00:54:31 because they were using Boston Scott as their short yardage back at times last year. I don't know. The one thing I'll say about that, Boston Scott had like three, I think, short yardage rushing touchdowns and I'm pretty sure they were in week 17 after Sanders got hurt. They weren't.
Starting point is 00:54:48 We've talked about that before, and I went back and looked it up. He had in the final four games is when he actually played a lot of roles. He had three green zone touches in that last game, and three of his touchdowns did come in there. Sorry, not all of his TDs, but three of the touchdowns did come in that final game. He also had three green zone touches in another one of those final four games and a green zone touch in another game.
Starting point is 00:55:08 So three of the four games, he got at least one green zone touch. He also had a four-yard touchdown run like back in week eight when he was still a very small bit roll guy. So he had eight different green zone touches. He was more efficient in converting three of those in the final game, but they're spread out across four games. Okay, but he had the three touchdowns after the Sanders injury. Yes, he did. Yeah, yeah. Sorry. I don't know for a fact they were all in the final game, but they're spread out across four games. But he had the three touchdowns after the Sanders injury. Yes, he did.
Starting point is 00:55:26 Yeah, yeah. Sorry. I don't know for a fact they were all after the Sanders injury. I kind of think they were. And I don't even know if it matters. We're probably talking about something that doesn't matter anymore. From Tim Ware, getting ready for my upcoming drafts,
Starting point is 00:55:38 been hearing that I should be paying more attention to tiers than rankings. What's the biggest difference between them? Tiers versus rankings's the biggest difference between them tiers versus rankings the biggest difference i've always used tiers um i think it just provides a lot more context is like the way that i would describe the biggest difference you know when you know if there's a run at a position you might want to jump into it if specifically someone in a particular tier of yours gets overlooked or you know when to avoid it because a whole tier of yours gets overlooked or you know when to avoid it because a whole tier of yours got cleared out and you see value at other positions.
Starting point is 00:56:10 I think it just helps you kind of balance the different positions. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, rankings are two dimensional tiers or three dimensional. Yeah. And here's a practical example.
Starting point is 00:56:19 Okay. Let's say a quarterback, you have my homes and Jackson in tier one, you have the next four Prescott, Wilson, Murray Watson in tier two. Then you have Wentz, Ryan, Allen, Breeze, Brady in tier three. Okay, so let's say those six quarterbacks comebacks in it. So you don't take QB seven unless, you know, he really falls to you like three or four rounds later, you wait and try to get someone in that next tier. That's the difference of going just tiers versus rankings from Kevin. I already added unlimited IR spots for COVID designated players. Is it going to specify a player has COVID
Starting point is 00:57:06 on their player card? How's the best way to manage and monitor this on Sunday morning? We are only using this for IR, not for players that are on PUP. What's the best way to deal with this? Because no, you may not know a player has COVID because that's personal.
Starting point is 00:57:24 You'll figure it out. But I don't know. Yeah, dude, I'm not sure. Honestly, I'm not sure. Maybe there's going to be a COVID list. There is now. So I'm sorry. Maybe I spoke out of turn.
Starting point is 00:57:39 But what's the best way to handle this in terms of who can go on your IR spot? I think you're going to have a major disastrous headache within fighting if you tried to put too many stipulations on this i think it's probably best if it's just if they're out for that week they can be on it so a guy hurts his ankle and he's out and he goes on ir yeah that's what i would say i would say so too i think you're going to be able to know who has COVID though
Starting point is 00:58:07 or who's been exposed to COVID, who's out because of COVID reasons. Well, okay. Right. Is it that they are out because they were around somebody who had it? Does that count?
Starting point is 00:58:18 That would matter to me. Yeah. If they are on a list or inactive for COVID reasons, whether they have it or they've been exposed that it wouldn't matter that specificity just as you know they would both scenarios would be eligible for that spot but one of the things about this type of rule is you got to think about the headache you're putting on yourself and if you're specifying that covid thing and then someone
Starting point is 00:58:42 breaks it and puts a different player who's hurt on the list and no one catches it, and then a few weeks later someone does catch it and then it comes up and he says, well, I saw someone so do it three weeks ago, but I didn't point it out. Do you really want to go look at everyone's roster every week and make sure that they're designating the
Starting point is 00:58:59 right types of players or just do a coverall? Okay. All right. That makes sense. Thanks everybody. We got one more episode tomorrow for you. Send in your emails fantasyfootballatcbsi.com your Apple podcast questions as well for Heath and the two Ben's I'm Adam. Talk to you on Friday.

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