Fantasy Football Today - Top 5 Players We're Worried About Being Wrong About; Top 5 Patriotic Movies! (07/03 Fantasy Football Podcast)
Episode Date: July 3, 2020Fantasy analysts have to make bold calls, like fading Derrick Henry or buying into an aging RB. But if those bold calls go wrong it could be really bad for our Fantasy teams! So we present the Top 5 p...layers we're worried about being wrong about. First, let's talk about a shortened preseason and which teams might be most affected (2:55) ... We kick off our discussion with Chris Carson and Le'Veon Bell (9:06). Heath likes both of these guys, but certainly he's concerned about being wrong. Then we discuss both RBs in the KC backfield (16:34) plus Jonathan Taylor. Heath is worried about Taylor's role, but if things go right for Taylor he could be a league-winner ... Mark Andrews (26:55), Lamar Jackson (29:30), Austin Ekeler (31:40) and DeAndre Hopkins (35:40). Then get ready for our Top 5 Patriotic Movies (38:10)! The only easy one was "The Patriot." ... Your questions via Apple Podcasts (48:40) and your emails at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com 'Fantasy Football Today' is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Google Podcasts, Castbox, and wherever else you listen to podcasts. Follow the new FFT Twitch channel: https://www.twitch.tv/FFToday Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @YardsPerGretch, @BenSchragg Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCviK78rIWXhZdFzJ1Woi7Fg/videos Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath.
Happy 3rd of July, everybody, and a belated Happy Canada Day to all of you Canadian listeners out there.
And yeah, happy 4th. Big weekend. Have fun.
Do it safely. Welcome to the show. Welcome to
Fantasy Football today, everybody. Today we're talking
about not players we're worried about,
but players we're worried about being wrong
about, which is a fun topic,
even if it's not the most gracefully worded,
I suppose. But Saturday is 4th
of July. At Heath's Meat, what
will you be cooking up on 4th of July. At Heath's Meat, what will you be cooking up on
4th of July?
Just today, bought
two pork shoulders.
Gonna make some pulled pork on
the smoker on Saturday. Happy
Independence Eve.
Okay. Pulled pork.
Not the most American.
Not the most 4th of July. Doesn't it have
to be burgers, hot dogs, or chicken?
Listen, are we going to fight now?
I thought we would save the fight for a few minutes.
You are nowhere close to the arbiter of what is and is not American.
I'm wearing a red shirt.
I have a blue CBS blanket behind me,
and I have white sunlight bathing me right now behind me.
No one wants to think about you bathing.
Alright, Ben.
What's on the menu
for 4th of July?
I don't have any plans yet. I'm not nearly
the barbecue Heath is.
I mean, we'll just figure something out.
That's kind of the way that we play it.
Alright, well I got my hot dogs today.
My chicken. Gonna make some chicken burgers. Gonna. Well, I got my hot dogs today. My chicken.
Going to make some chicken burgers.
Going to be fun.
I hope everybody enjoys their holidays.
Chicken burgers.
Yeah.
You're making chicken burgers and you're telling me that I'm not American for smoking.
What are you talking about?
I'm trying to be a little bit healthy.
The hot dogs are so bad for you, you know.
But it is going to be weird to not have burgers.
You're still making the hot dogs.
Still making the hot dogs, yeah.
So you could have just done burgers.
Instead, you're offsetting the really bad for you hot dogs. The hot dogs are a special brand of hot dog
that's only available up here.
They're so good.
You know what I want to invent?
A bag of like four hamburger buns.
Everybody's got the same problem, right? You can only buy them in
eights and you're not going to make eight and you got leftover buns. I think the gluten-free
buns generally come in packs of four. Oh, gross. I don't eat gluten-free buns either. I just don't
eat buns, but I believe the gluten-free buns when my wife buys them for the kids actually do come
in packs of four. That's smart. them for the kids. That's very good.
Actually, I kind of like gluten-free.
That's because nobody could afford eight gluten-free anything.
The same price as eight regular buns.
Hey, the preseason's been cut
to two games and possibly
zero.
Nothing's been done yet, right?
Oh, I thought
they were cutting it to two.
I haven't agreed upon yet yeah the nfl is proposed to the nfl players association is not agreed to anything i don't think okay all right uh and they might do they might say zero yeah so
well should we wait until we find out how many but i mean if there are zero preseason games is that
rookie alert like avoid those
rookies or wait another round or something like that? I mean, I don't know what it means. We've
never had zero preseason. I mean, we'd just be guessing, right? Like, yeah, I don't think it
would be better for the rookies. Yeah, it'd probably be worse, but maybe it wouldn't have
an, like, I know Pete Prisco had tweeted out when they announced they were only going to have two or when the NFL said they were suggesting to Pete had said good more time for them to get in actual work that matters or something to that effect.
I like, I don't think people should take it as, oh, the coaches don't get to see them in games.
Like that matters probably a little bit, but probably not a lot. They get to see him on the practice field. Although with all the hitting and tackling rules that they have now,
if we don't have any preseason games,
everybody might put up 40 in week one.
I was just going to look up what like Terry McLaurin
and Marquise Brown did in the preseason last year.
Because to my recollection,
some of these guys that had big rookie seasons
didn't necessarily have monster preseasons.
Starters don't usually play.
A lot of the times when they're looking like they're going to be starters, they don't even necessarily play, even if they are rookies.
I mean, they play, but they don't play a lot, right?
You don't get a ton of snaps, like he said.
Like, the preseason games matter, but they don't matter that much. And if it does put them back,
imagine a scenario where it required
a big preseason game for a rookie to prove
himself. Well, he got that
opportunity in the preseason. He proved himself.
Well, why wouldn't he just
do that in week one or in week two and then
by week three be at the point he was at in
week one? You know what I mean? How far behind will he
really be? Well, I'll tell you, we
talk about the rookies all the time.
We don't really talk much
about the teams
with new coaching staffs.
And I'm a little concerned
about that.
You know,
it's not going to be
that easy to have
no offseason,
you know,
no OTAs, right?
A very abbreviated offseason.
Hopefully a full training camp.
But still,
you don't get the rookie
minicamps,
you don't get the OTAs,
all that stuff.
That's been canceled. And then, a lack of preseason games and just a lack training camp, but still, you don't get the rookie minicamps, you don't get the OTAs, all that stuff. That's been canceled.
And then a lack of preseason games
and just a lack of FaceTime.
Well, you may have FaceTime on your phone,
but a lack of actual time communicating with each other.
I think it's going to put those teams with new offenses
and new coaches potentially at a disadvantage.
And it's a very strongly worded statement there.
Yeah, no, I agree with you 100%, actually.
One of the things I'm writing for our second edition of our magazine is kind of like what could go wrong for the top 12 players and it's really really really hard to find things
that could go wrong for christian mcafree that don't involve injury and i try not to
speculate on that but one of the things is they were well above average in terms of the number
of offensive plays they ran last year, like 1076 or something. First year play callers,
even Cliff Kingsbury are generally below average in terms of that. And in Carolina,
you've got a guy that's never been an NFL head coach and a guy that's never been an NFL offensive
coordinator. And I do think that like though that practice of calling plays in a game format could
actually help them a little bit before we get to the season if they don't get to do that we may
have to worry a little bit about the the pace in carolina if i like that if mcafree barkley and
zeke are the first three picks of a draft all three of them have new head coaches but zeke of
course has the same play caller. So that would be good.
Okay.
You go ahead.
I don't know.
I,
you said you kind of weren't making a strong statement.
Maybe it would be not that big of a deal.
I mean,
the point I was making with rookies was I think if a rookie receiver or a
rookie running back is talented enough is good enough,
it will show up in practice.
He'll make his way under the field.
I would go a lot further on the coaches. And I agree your point and I would I would be more more extreme on the
coaches like I don't think it will affect the rookies necessarily I think good players play
well but I think your point on coaches we should definitely be taking into consideration and I'm
going to put a lot more weight on offenses that have continuity on, on offenses we know will be good.
I mean, like what, what is wrong with the idea of just going after chiefs in the first couple
of rounds or going after, you know, players on these offenses that we know what their roles
will be and, and, and, you know, how their offenses will function saints. And, um, even
the Falcons, you know, they're not a great offense, but they're going to be pass heavy.
And they have most of the returners back those types a great offense, but they're going to be pass-heavy, and they have most of the returners back.
Those types of situations, I think,
they're going to be at an advantage.
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Let's get started with the players
we're worried about being wrong about.
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So I think this is fun that the top five players were worried about being wrong about.
Two of them from Heath are Le'Veon Bell and Chris Carson.
And they were on Ben's, I don't want to draft them at current cause list.
Not quite a bust list, but similar.
They were discussed yesterday at length.
So Heath, you're higher on Le'Veon chris carson than chris and jamie are right
i don't know what chris has him ranked at but i am higher than james and ben i'm pretty sure
i have not seen chris's rankings wow but i kind of feel like chris usually leans more my way. So we might be in a similar place on Le'Veon Bell.
The problem is I have moved past the idea that everybody's just crazy
and Le'Veon Bell should be a second round pick,
which if you told me he was getting the same volume as he did last year,
I would say everyone's crazy.
Le'Veon Bell should be a second round pick.
But the Frank Gore thing, there's some concerns
that maybe he doesn't get the same volume.
The problem is where he's being drafted
in our drafts is the fourth round.
In NFC drafts, he's the 19th running back off the board.
It's not as if he's being drafted
thinking he's going to get the same amount of work.
He's being drafted to be worse than he get the same amount of work he's being drafted
to be worse than he was last year and what kind of touchdown regression he should have coming
even if he takes a hit in volume and doesn't have huge positive regression and efficiency which i
think he should have at least some um he was way way way below his career norms last year
like even if he doesn't get quite the same volume,
I think he'll be as good as where he's being drafted right now.
Now, the way I could be wrong and the way it could destroy me
is that I draft Le'Veon Bell in the fourth round of all these drafts,
and then he just has nothing, and he's the third down back,
and Frank Gore's getting the early down work.
So how worried are you about being wrong about Le'Veon?
I get more worried every time I draft him in the fourth round because I've got a lot of exposure to him.
But at the same time, I don't honestly, I don't think it's that likely that Le'Veon Bell plays 16 games this season and doesn't finish as a top 15 to 18 running back in PPR.
And he's the 19th running back off the board.
So I'm just going to keep drafting him.
I guess I'm not actually that concerned.
How many touchdowns do you have him projected for?
Six or seven.
He scored four last year.
Three rushing, one receiving.
And he finished 21st in non-PPR, 16th in PPR.
7.2.
So
I've got him at...
Which might be the most by an Adam Gase
running back since, like, Denver.
That's a good joke.
No, really? It's a very
small amount. It's not true at all.
It's close. It was funny.
J.H.I Ajayi exploded under Adam
Gase, didn't he? Kenyon Drake, I'm pretty sure,
had seven touchdowns in a year.
Jay Ajayi was all late in the season, so I don't know what he did,
but that was
Adam Gase.
I only
have him at
3.8
yards per carry, 226
carries um like 1300 total yards and seven touchdowns
but if he's going to catch 60 passes again and he has 1300 yards and seven touchdowns
he's absolutely going to be a top 15 running back okay what's your for sure what's your concern
about chris carson being being your concern about Chris Carson being wrong?
You're worried about being wrong about Chris Carson.
Where do you have Chris Carson? Again, I
mentioned this yesterday. He goes 40th
overall in NFC. That's RB22.
In our most recent CBS draft,
he went 28th overall, so big
difference there.
I consider him a...
I consider him around three pick,
more like 30th.
I don't consider him in my mind. It's not that I think he's... I consider him a, yeah, I consider him around three pick more like 30th. Like I don't consider him in my mind.
So it's not that I think he's,
I consider him that his ADP will be in the third round.
I'm surprised it's as low as it is on NFC.
Yeah.
If we get to training camp and he's not fully participating,
then I think that 40 could even, he could, he could even get lower.
I'm my assumption is that the Seahawks have been forthcoming and that Chris Carson is mostly okay and
Rashad Penny is not going to be ready for the start of the season and Carlos Hyde is going to be Chris Carson's
backup. And I don't really agree personally with the idea
that Chris Carson's a trap back because he's been used more in the passing game than Rashad
Penny has and he will certainly be used more than Carlos Hyde
and he generally gets a ton of work
and will score plenty of touchdowns so my concern about being wrong with chris carson is that he's
not 100 and carlos hyde is has a much bigger role than what i'm anticipating but if he's 100 to
start the season another guy i've got him 13th at running back i think he should absolutely
be a third round pick and i think he's kind of a steal on the fourth.
Ben, I know you
went through the case yesterday. If you want to make
an abridged version of
what concerns you about Chris Carson.
No, I just
want to say Adam Gase's last three
offenses have rushed for four, seven, and six
touchdowns.
I have Le'Veon Bell at
7.2 total touchdowns. Only 4.6
pressure. I know, I know, but I thought
that was just a hilarious stat.
They have not run for more than seven touchdowns
in three years. And last year,
Le'Veon Bell ran for three and no other
running back ran for one. The other three were
Sam Darnold and receiver Vincent
Smith, which is just amazing.
That's pathetic.
Thanks, Dan.
Are you Chris?
Okay, I called you Chris because I was talking about Chris Carson.
That's why I just called you Chris just now.
But Heath, are you concerned about them throwing the ball more this year,
like more than ever, more than in recent years?
I think they'll throw it more than they did two years ago.
I have them throwing it more than their three-year average.
But no, I don't think that they are going to throw it more than league average.
I think they're likely to still run the ball more than the average team does.
And I think that Carson's still likely.
I mean, he's pretty much always just been hyper-efficient,
and they have a good run offense with good run blocking.
And Russell Wilson makes it easier for Carson.
My really, honestly, only concern with Chris Carson
is that he's not healthy.
If he's healthy, he's going to smash his ADP.
I'll be really quick, but my case yesterday, Heath,
was that he was essentially averaging well over 75% snap shares.
There's a couple games where he dipped down,
so maybe not averaging, but he was over 75% and very frequently over 85%,
or I don't know if very frequently is accurate,
but he definitely was at least four different times in the middle of the season.
I'm looking at the snap logs now,
and several other games in the high 70s or low 80s.
So that workload was very helpful to him.
He was dominating all the touches.
He was dominating the whole backfield.
I agree with you that he's not necessarily a trap back.
He caught more passes, and you have Carlos Hyde in town now instead of –
I don't know who else will catch passes.
I mean, it seems like Carson will be their leading receiver
out of the backfield.
But I just think with Hyde and with DJ Dallas and now his injury,
I think it's really hard to imagine a scenario
where they're going to play him that much.
It seems like they're probably going to move back,
and he kind of needs that big of a workload
to be able to put up the numbers
and get the touches that he got last year.
Heath, you've got Clyde Edwards-Elair
and Jonathan Taylor.
Edwards-Elair is going 18th in NFC,
Jonathan Taylor 32nd.
In our most recent CBS draft, they both went around their ADPs.
Round two for Edward Ziller, round three for Jonathan Taylor.
Now, you're worried about being wrong about these two rookies.
Is that because you are low on them and you're worried that they're actually going to be amazing?
That's because the only shares that I will have of them is one Dynasty League where I had the first pick and took Ziller
and one Dynasty League where I had the first pick and took E-layer and one dynasty league where I had the second pick and took Taylor.
And I will not get any redraft shares of them at all at their current cost.
And that is terrifying.
More for Taylor, I think.
Like Clyde Edwards, E-layer, we're doing a lot of heavy lifting, assigning all of this Chiefs workload to him.
When most of the running backs in Kansas city under Andy Reed have been at
like a 55% of the running back touches and Damian Williams should probably
be the reigning Superbowl MVP.
Wait a second.
Wait a second.
Is that true?
Because,
because Spencer Ware had like 250 ish carries.
Kareem Hunt had two straight.
They went three straight years with a workhorse running back until 2000 until basically until Kareem Hunt had two straight. They went three straight years with a workhorse running
back until 2000.
Basically until Kareem Hunt got
suspended. I don't believe
if you look at the actual numbers, you would qualify
those guys as workhorse running backs.
I don't think Clyde Edwards-Ziller,
there was nobody,
I don't think, and Ben might correct me on this,
before the draft
that would have put Edwards-Ziller in the Jonathan Taylor-JK Dobbins discussion. I don't think, and Ben might correct me on this, before the draft that would have put Edward Ziller in the Jonathan Taylor, J.K. Dobbins discussion.
And I don't think there was anybody that would have said Edward Ziller profiles as a future workhorse back in the NFL.
Like, I don't I just I don't think that is the kind of guy we thought he was until the Chiefs took him.
Taylor scares me because he could just be the best running back in the NFL.
I don't think that's what's going to happen, especially with this super weird
offseason and the fact that the Colts have acceptable options at both.
Taylor can't, I don't think, take over the early work and the third down work.
He might take the job from Marlon Mack, but I still think Hines is going to ruin him on third down.
I agree. And we'll get into, I have
Damian Williams as one of the guys I'm afraid to be wrong about. So we'll get into that in a sec.
But on Taylor, one thing we talked about earlier in the
offseason, and I kind of got away from but noticed it again and remembered it. The Colts have easily the easiest schedule by a lot when you look at Vegas win
totals and teams that they're projected to play against. And particularly in the first half of
the season, their schedule is incredibly soft. So we can expect and Frank Reich's always been
pretty game script dependent on how he rolls things out. Meaning that when they lead, he runs
when they trail, he goes into pass heavy mode. Some teams don't adjust their offenses quick enough.
He does that very well because teams should do that.
So I'm expecting a lot of rushing out of the Colts
in the first half of the season particularly.
And they've said, yeah, it's going to be a committee.
Well, that's great.
There's going to be a lot of carries.
That's my expectation.
Behind a good offensive line,
I think Taylor will get 15 touches a game early
because I think Mack will get 12 touches or maybe 15 himself
because they'll have plenty to go around.
And then that's a lot of time also for Taylor to establish
that he's just the superior player.
You know, I thought a lot about the conversation we had a few days ago,
Ben and Heath, but I know it was basically me and Ben
going back and forth about how you don't draft players
for week one necessarily.
You draft players to win your league,
and sometimes you have to wait.
And I was saying how I don't want to draft guys like that
who I don't think are going to be contributors
until late in the year with a top five pick.
Well, first five rounds, top 60 pick.
I stand by that, but looking at the draft boards now,
you might not have a choice.
If you want one of those rookie running backs that has high
upside, you might have to bite the bullet
unless it's Keyshawn Vaughn or something. I think that's
the argument for
just taking a running back with your first
two picks and stockpiling
receivers. Yeah.
I agree with you. I don't want to use a third
round pick on a guy that I
Ben said it.
He doesn't know if he's going to be able to start
Jonathan Taylor early in the season.
Yeah, but what about a fifth-round pick?
I know this is a slightly different conversation,
but because if we're worried about...
For me, players I'm worried about being wrong about,
I just keep passing over Cam Akers, DeAndre Swift,
those two in particular.
It doesn't bother me at all.
Okay.
And Dobbins doesn't bother me as much either
because I think he really needs an injury.
Whereas the other two guys I feel like could just beat out their competition.
Like Mark Ingram, I think is still a great player.
And this could just be me sticking to my guns on who I thought was better,
but like I'd much rather draft Dobbins in the sixth or seventh than acres or
Swift in the fifth Dobbins is probably seventh.
Because I don't really think those situations like we were
talking about how many touchdowns Todd Gurley scored
but their offensive line is not good
and I think they're going to throw
a lot and I don't know necessarily know that
playing a bunch of two tight end sets will be better for their running
it's just more defenders in the box
so I'm not particularly excited
by Akers and Swift even if they won
the job I don't think they have that top 12
upside Dobbins I think if he gets the job. I don't think they have that top 12 upside. Dobbins, I think
if he gets the job, could be a top 12 running player.
Oh, yeah, yeah. Immediately.
Okay, let's see what we got here.
Well, you want to talk about Damian Williams, and then we'll get to
Heath's last player on Heath's list.
Damian Williams, for you, Ben, as a player, you're worried
about being wrong about. Yeah, I've
had him pretty low, and
I mean, it really ties into what Heath
just said, and the you know, I guess I think he mean it really ties into what he just said and the you know I guess I think
he said really well where we're all just kind of assuming Clyde Edwards-Hilaire is going to be in
this really valuable role and maybe he will be but he was a 32nd pick yes he was the only first
round pick yes he's you know he was the first running back off the board and the Chiefs you
know selected him over players like Jonathan Taylor.
But just a couple of years ago, Rashad Penny was drafted a little bit higher,
and Ronald Jones was drafted just a few picks later as one of the first picks in the second round,
and Nick Chubb in that same draft, and Chubb wasn't used very much until they traded Carlos Hyde.
And yes, that role opened up, but that's not going to happen with Kansas City.
That was a different scenario.
The Browns weren't contenders.
They dealt their aging veteran and rolled out the red carpet for their rookie,
but the Chiefs aren't going to do that.
They're a contender, and they're going to...
I guess what I'm trying to get at is
it wouldn't really be that surprising.
We're doing this with A.J. Dillon,
who also only went about 30 picks later than Edwards.
That's a lot, but he was a second-round pick. And we're doing it with A.J. Dillon, who also only went about 30 picks later than Edward Solaire. That's a lot. But he was a second round pick.
And we're doing it with J.K. Dobbins where we're saying maybe these guys were future picks.
Like, is it that far fetched that the Super Bowl winning team didn't think it had that many needs,
that they shored up a position because they really liked a player,
but that this year won't be the year that Clyde Edwards-Hilaire is the lead back and that instead they will stick with the guy who was the near Super Bowl MVP.
And if that happens, Damian Williams is going to smash his ADP.
Well, and I think for the Chiefs especially,
Ed-Jesse Hilaire's skill set fits so well with that offense.
He could make five or six, eight to 10 plays a game for them
that are pretty valuable for the team that leave you in a terribly frustrating position as a fantasy
owner, because you don't know if it's going to be the week where he has eight touches for 50 yards
and no scores or eight touches for 160 and two scores. Yeah. If you look at average draft position
right now, so take away the Ravens,
Akers and Ingram are going kind of back-to-back,
50 and 52nd overall.
Oh, and Mark Andrews is going 49th.
How about that little Ravens run?
So, oh no, I'm sorry.
I meant to say Dobbins.
Okay, I got confused.
I'll update it.
Sorry, when you look at the veteran running backs
who are potentially being replaced by these rookies,
Damian Williams is going way ahead of
Kerryon Johnson and Marlon Mack.
Sixth round for Damian Williams,
eighth round for Marlon Mack,
tenth round for Kerryon Johnson.
And Ingram goes before them.
That makes sense, obviously.
But do you think that's right?
Do you think Damian Williams,
then Marlon Mack, then Kerryon Johnson
should be separated by two rounds each.
I don't think Mac should be ahead of carry on Johnson.
I think Damian Williams is in the right spot and that's why I'm concerned
because I don't draft him there,
but I'm concerned that I'm going to be wrong about it.
Yeah.
I have Damian Williams 29th.
I've got carry on 35th and Max in the 40s.
So, yeah, I think carry on is probably the best value of that group.
I don't have to explain to me why Max should be ahead of carry on
because it's certainly a better offense,
but it just seems a lot less likely
that Mack is going to have really any kind of a role.
I mean, Hines is the clear pass catcher.
Carrion can at least have an early downer.
Mack's going to start week one.
Yeah, come on.
You are way too harsh on Marlon Mack.
He hates him.
No, I'm not.
They just drafted an Ezekiel Elliott plus athlete and have a pass catching back that they're talking about getting 10 plus catch games.
What is Marlon Mack's role besides like eight to 10 carries and no reception?
He had no receiving role last year.
His role could be 15 carries and it could be your boy Jonathan Taylor getting six carries. I will say that when I did the poll,
55% to 60% of my Twitter followers thought that Marlon Mack would likely lead Colts running backs
in touches the first four weeks of the season.
I would have voted for that, too.
I don't think I disagree with that.
I'm just saying I think Kerryon Johnson has a possibility of...
I was trying to explain there's not a third back in the mix.
And so if it's a 50-50 split, Karrion Johnson could play someone passing down
so he could have a more well-rounded role.
I don't see how Marlon Mack has like a 60% touch split upside at all.
I think Karrion maybe doesn't either.
Probably it's more likely that Swift leads that offense,
but it's possible that Kerryon Johnson
has a 60% touch split role.
Okay, let's get to
Heath's last player here
that he's worried about
being wrong about.
That's Mark Andrews,
number two tight end
in non-PPR last year,
number five in PPR.
He had 10 touchdowns
on 98 targets
and very efficient.
Great yards per catch,
great yards per target.
NFC ADP for Mark Andrews is 50th.
Most recent CBS draft, he went 39th overall.
That was a half PPR draft.
So, Heath, what are you worried about being wrong about with Mark Andrews?
There is a universe where Baltimore's pass rate
really doesn't go up that much this year. And Marquise
Brown is 100% and
leads the team in targets.
And Mark Andrews' efficiency
regresses as it absolutely
should. And he's just
a fine mid-range
starting tight end instead of
a contender for number three.
Okay.
Well said.
Honestly,
it's not that it's pretty plausible.
I don't think it's going to happen,
but it's good to happen.
Yeah,
I agree.
I think it's very plausible.
I think the one thing in his favor is we might see more routes.
We've talked about that this off season,
but he hasn't always run a ton of routes,
but with Hayden Hearst going,
they always liked Hearst.
I mean,
they drafted Hearst ahead of Andrews.
They don't really have someone to fill that.
We might actually see Andrews run significantly more routes,
which would be nice.
I hope so.
Yeah.
We're going to take a break.
When we come back,
we're going to continue our Ravens discussion with Lamar Jackson.
What is Ben concerned about in terms of being wrong about Lamar Jackson?
Find out right after this on Fantasy Football Today.
And by the way, stay tuned.
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I've got four.
I've got like 10 more minutes to come up with number five.
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Lamar Jackson will try to become the first quarterback
to repeat as number one since Drew Brees in 2011 and 2012.
It's not easy to do.
It's not easy at any position to repeat as number one,
but Lamar Jackson will give it a shot.
He is going 16th overall in NFC ADP.
He went 27th overall in our industry draft on CBS a couple weeks ago.
Ben, how do you feel about Lamar Jackson,
and what are you concerned about in terms of being wrong about him?
Well, I don't take quarterbacks early,
and I have Patrick Mahomes ahead of him in almost every format
because I just think Patrick Mahomes is that good.
So the concern is that Lamar Jackson runs for 1,200 yards again.
I mean, it's just basically like he's the perfect fantasy quarterback.
And if he does, you know, yeah, the passing TDs kind of have to come down
a little bit, but maybe they don't come down that much.
You know, I've hypothesized, but I haven't dug into it,
but that maybe his pass TD rate was so high because it's such a run heavy
offense.
And he wasn't throwing a lot of passes in his own territory because they're
moving the ball into plus territory.
And then he's throwing more passes and scoring range.
And maybe that has an impact on him being able to,
to carry a higher past TD rate.
Cause we're just talking as a percentage of attempts and he doesn't throw a
lot of attempts.
So maybe he's not due for quite as much regression, who knows.
But I think ultimately,
if he runs as much as he did, and he's just that athletic and that good and that untackleable that
teams can't scheme for him, because they're going to try to, and I'm kind of expecting that they'll
be able to, to some degree, but maybe they can't. And if they can't, then I'm going to be wrong.
And he's going to win people leagues, even as a second round pick.
1,200 yards, you say, you know, he basically, since becoming the starter, it's now 22 starts,
not including the playoffs.
His pace has been about 1,280 rushing yards.
He's done it two years in a row.
Seven games in 2018 and 15 last year.
Do you think he gets to 1,000 rushing yards this year, guys?
Under.
I don't see... I don't know
how I could say under.
He's good. He's really good at football.
Yeah.
Mahomes is safer, right?
Is that fair to say? Yeah.
For sure. Okay. Let's go
to Austin Eckler here, another one that Ben is worried
about being wrong about.
Go on.
Yeah, I've just been kind of down on him all offseason,
and most of the backs that I'm down on in this range
have a specific type of touch profile that I don't really like.
They don't catch a lot of passes and those types of things.
But with Eckler, he very clearly has the exact type of touch profile that I love.
And it's not dissimilar to, say, Christian McCaffrey's rookie
season. And now he's working into a potentially bigger role. And I'm not saying he can go beat
Christian McCaffrey, but the type of touch mix, the rush attempt and reception mix, and the goal
line usage, if he becomes an every down player, they play him 70 of the snaps 75 of the snaps
um with that type of touch mix even with his receptions almost certain to come down and his
receiving efficiency almost certain to come down because of a different offense and a russian
quarterback and all those things he will still be very very good you know in in that situation so
it's it's a tricky one for me i'm down on him for for reasons that you know i don, in that situation. So it's, it's a tricky one for me. I'm down on him for, for reasons that, you know,
I don't like being down on this type of player is ultimately what it comes
to.
I don't like I'm the Austin Eckler guy. Obviously.
I don't really believe that he could be Christian McCaffrey,
but what I would say is like, why can't he be Alvin Kamara?
Yeah. I mean,
that's the comparison I made last year when Melvin Gordon reported
uh and I got ripped for it but I said what if Austin Eckler is just Alvin Kamara 2.0 and Melvin
Gordon returns to like a Mark Ingram type role and people were like Eckler's nothing like Alvin
Kamara and then he was the rest of the year I mean that's actually how that touch mix he's actually
been more efficient than Kamara on a per-touch basis for the past three years.
Yeah.
I mean, and he's got the right touch mix and the right profile.
Yeah, I'm referencing a tweet that I sent out that got like 100,
you know, however many likes and then a ton of people
that were also telling me I was an idiot and don't understand football.
So I was right and you were wrong, idiots.
I'm wondering how many carries he gets.
How many carries per game does he get?
Let me set it at 13, over or under 13 for Eckler.
13 carries per game would be great.
Do you think he'll get there, over or under?
I'm trying to do the math on how many that is per game
or for the season.
I think probably over, honestly.
But it's how far down to the reception it's going to be.
92 catches they're
going to lose almost 100 pass attempts i mean at least while tyra taylor's playing if you look at
their 16 game paces philip rivers and tyra taylor as starters it's literally 100 pass attempt
difference it should be it should be 50 he should be in the 50 catch group right at least 50 yeah
50 to 60 probably and then his efficiency has to come down because he was wildly efficient as a receiver last year,
which is a whole other thing.
Last year or always?
Yeah, always.
Yeah.
10.3 or more yards per catch.
I think he's the most efficient pitching running back ever.
Might be.
Yards per catch, 10.3 to 10.8 every year.
There are three straight seasons.
I mean, that's just crazy good.
It wasn't a last year thing.
That's the thing that I've struck.
You mentioned it with LeVar Jackson.
At some point
in a player's career, we have to
hope it just turns out he's the best
at this. He's not going to regress back to
normal like other people.
I would guess it's going to
I think I've got him projected at 9.5 yards
per catch or something, but that's still better
than everyone else.
Okay. Eight touchdowns is going to be
hard to you. Yes.
So Kenyon Drake or Austin Eckler? I have Drake everyone else. Okay. Eight touchdowns is going to be hard to you. Yes. So,
uh,
Kenyon Drake or Austin Eckler.
I have Drake ahead,
but we'll see if I'm wrong.
I'm afraid of being wrong on Eckler.
That's an easy,
easy for me,
at least an easy split the baby,
um,
Drake and non Eckler and PPR.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well then what about half PPR buddy?
What about all the half PPR people out there?
There really aren't that many of them.
They're definitely overrepresented on this podcast.
I don't think so.
I have Eckler ahead by five fantasy points
and half PPR.
All right.
DeAndre Hopkins and Derek Henry.
I don't know that we talked a lot about Henry yesterday,
so let's focus on Hopkins here.
He's going 15th in NFC.
He went 18th in our draft a couple of weeks ago.
Hopkins going to the Cardinals.
And what are you,
what are you thinking about him?
And what are you concerned about being wrong about?
Yeah,
both these guys I'm concerned about being too low on.
And Henry is actually really simple.
I can say it in one sentence.
I'm just concerned he's different.
And,
you know,
we talk enough about him,
but like the,
the way that I do analysis, he's never going you know we talk enough about him but like the the way that i do analysis he's
never going to look good but i'm just concerned that he's just a generational player right that
was not one sentence sorry a couple sentences not everyone can be as concise as you deandre hopkins
the concern is that he immediately integrates into an offense that was fourth in time, situation neutral time to snap last year,
which means they played very fast and they were below average in play volume.
And I expect their play volume to increase if they pass a lot.
And if he seamlessly integrates into this offense, he's really, really good.
I don't think anyone's got any question about that.
And if Kyler Murray takes a step forward,
like a lot of us are hoping and expecting,
yeah, DeAndre Hopkins, I have him like wide receiver six,
but he could very easily just be the wide receiver one again.
Like, why can't he?
It concerns me too.
I feel like I'm never going to draft DeAndre Hopkins,
and that scares me.
What, you're not going to either, Heath?
I think I'm at like 11 or 12 teams completed.
And I think I have him on one so far. I'd be surprised if I get him on another.
Does that scare you a little bit?
It really doesn't that much,
but I'm not quite as confident in Deandre Hopkins still being like,
I guess he could get 160 targets.
I just don't think that's very likely.
And he's not ever been efficient enough
to be the wide receiver one with 145 targets.
Okay.
Well, but he doesn't have to be wide receiver one.
Have you ever seen the catches this guy's made, though?
He makes great catches.
But the thing is,
Michael Thomas catches a lot of flack about it's just receptions.
He doesn't do anything with them.
He's a possession guy.
He's well ahead of DeAndre Hopkins in yards per target.
It is kind of interesting.
I just feel like the stats don't tell the story about how good DeAndre Hopkins is,
how elite he is.
Cause they do tell a good player,
a great player,
but they tell you how good he is at getting targets.
And that is also,
I agree with Ben.
That's also a skill,
but he has not been elite on the targets he's received.
Like Julio Jones gets 150 targets and is going to average nine yards of
target.
Hopkins has really been that guy once or twice in his career,
but for the most part, not.
Yeah, all right.
Well, I bet he loves himself a nice patriotic movie.
Tell you that about DeAndre Hopkins.
I had trouble with this.
I stole two from Schrager.
The worst idea you've ever had.
I don't think so.
Unquestionably, the worst idea you've ever had. I don't think so. Unquestionably, the worst idea you've ever had.
Why do you say that?
Just start your list.
You want my list first?
You've only got four.
We have to give you your fifth.
Okay, yeah.
So I'm trying to think of number five.
I'm trying to think of movies like Best of the Best
where USA has to win something.
But that movie sucks, so I can't go with that. So five
is empty right now. Four is The Sandlot.
Three is Rocky IV.
Two is Miracle. One is
The Patriot. The Patriot has
to be number one. It is the most
patriotic movie, and it's really, really good.
Why The Sandlot?
The Sandlot, to me, is just
you watch that movie, and you wish
your childhood had been like that.
Yeah.
Safe street.
Your childhood wasn't like this, Adam?
No, of course not.
Everybody else was like that.
Go to the Sandlot down the street with your buddies like every day and go to the community pool with them and kiss the lifeguard.
No.
We all had friends, Adam.
No, I didn't have any friends on my street.
I rode my bike to my friend's house, like a 10-minute bike ride.
I had that, but we didn't like, I don't know.
We played football.
I guess it was somewhat similar, but I don't know.
That just felt like more Americana than mine.
I'm not sure.
Like middle America.
I don't know.
Did you grow up in New York?
No, I grew up in South Florida.
Oh, interesting.
You did not grow up in Middle America,
so you shouldn't really expect to have that experience.
I'm saying the Sandlot
felt more American than my childhood.
Like the quintessential American childhood.
What does it mean to be American?
That's the problem with this whole exercise.
It's a matter of interpretation,
but you also had the great 4th of July scene,
America the Beautiful,
and I don't know.
It was a good call by Shroudy Bean.
You're talking a very traditional,
very old school version of America and patriotism.
Yeah, I think so.
I think so.
Okay. Who wants to go next?
Heath, why don't you go next?
You really like my list.
I'm just going to say before I get to my list,
because we have a half dozen holidays
scattered throughout the year
to celebrate our patriotism.
And they all kind of honor a certain aspect of it. And for me,
like the 4th of July is actually Independence Day and it's celebrating us signing the Declaration
of Independence. And I think it's important to remind people that like, if those people
had been ultra patriots, we wouldn't have the Declaration
of Independence because that would not have been
very patriotic to leave
their homeland
to tell the king
they were not going to be subjected to him anymore
they were citizens
of a different country
who told the leader of that
country to piss off we're starting
our own country.
And that's what we're celebrating.
Good for them.
I support them.
I do too.
And that's why my movies kind of reflect that spirit.
All right.
All right.
Let's go.
What do you got?
The Free State of Jones.
A fantastic movie.
Jones County, based on a true story,
declared their independence from the confederate army and established a county in the south that was free and defectors from the confederacy and freed slaves
defended that county until the union arrived really that's very interesting that is very
interesting i've never heard that that's number five on your list? That's number one. That's number one.
Okay.
Yes.
Number two is Captain America Civil War.
Captain America declared his independence from the Avengers and world governments to
fight for what he thought was right.
And it turns out he was right.
Did he rejoin the Avengers at some point?
At some point, yes.
Oh, okay.
So we're just going to go join the European Union
or something like that?
Not in that movie.
In that movie, he leaves them with a cell phone
and says, if you need me, here you go.
Okay.
I love how you went from a very interesting first story
to Captain America.
Mine was, my number three was The Patriot.
I agree with Adam. It has to be on this list it's literally about a man fighting against the british in the revolutionary
war i don't know what else that would be on this list if not that my number four was django
unchained and this is a story about someone who earns his freedom, becomes a badass, and kills all the bad guys.
I do not know what's more America than that.
Well, I mean, what's more American,
Quentin Tarantino,
Django Unchained or Inglourious Bastards?
Why did you go with Django there?
I think Django.
Yes.
And then number five is Independence Day
because it's literally the name of the movie.
It is a really poorly named movie. It's literally the name of the movie. It is a really poorly named movie.
It's literally the name of the movie.
It is a poorly named movie.
Why didn't you also choose Born on the Fourth of July?
That would have been number six, probably.
The more I think about it, it is like the diehard thing.
Independence Day is not a Fourth of July movie.
It has nothing to do with Fourth of July.
It is the Independence Day movie,
and the name of the holiday is Independence Day. Yeah, it has nothing to do with Independence Day is not a 4th of July movie. It has nothing to do with 4th of July. It is the Independence Day movie, and the name of the holiday is Independence Day.
Yeah, it has nothing to do with Independence Day.
It's fighting aliens, and it just so happens that...
We got independence from the aliens.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They wanted to control us, and we didn't let them.
Let's get Shraggy B on there.
America.
Shraggy B.
All right, well, easy one for me was The Sandlot.
That is literally America growing up
childhood. You're scared of throwing your ball over the fence because of the neighbor,
because of the dog. And then from that miracle. Are you going five, four, three, two, one or what?
I'll go one, two, three, four, five. Okay. Sandlot one, Miracle two.
Miracle two. I mean, how do you not have goosebumps during all the USA
chants? And then I think some of the military
movies deserve to be in the
July 4th patriotic
category. So number three for me,
Saving Private Ryan. I mean, D-Day,
American Heroes. Number four,
Zero Dark Thirty. Obviously, this is
more along my lifetime because
this was like the, not
war, but this is what the military
was involved with
during my 23 years on this planet.
It was Zero Dark Thirty
and Osama Bin Laden.
So that was just
really patriotic movie.
And finally,
number five,
National Treasure.
I mean, their treasure map,
Declaration of Independence.
It's perfect.
Fantastic movie.
Yeah, I should see that one.
Zero Dark Thirty is so good.
I mean,
Stephen Price Ryan's the best movie of all time, but Zero Dark Thirty is so good. Good call, Ben. Yeah, I should see that one. Zero Dark Thirty is so good. I mean, Saving Private Ryan is the best movie of all time,
but Zero Dark Thirty is so good.
Good call, Ben. Wait, then why didn't you
choose Saving Private Ryan?
Because my list is more
uplifting,
kind of
almost cheesy patriotism.
Saving Private Ryan is a very heavy movie.
I don't think I'd want to watch it on July
4th. It's just too serious for me.
I mean, these aren't movies we're watching on July 4th.
These are patriotic movies.
My list was Independence Day movies.
Okay, Ben Gresh.
All right.
I had about a million because that's how i do really but um
you're going one through five or five to what i didn't even rank them so i i want to put a bunch
of kind of war and war adjacent movies i chose glory i think uh and i haven't seen that for a
really long time but i think that is along with heath's kind of point i don't think there's a lot more patriotic than the first black regiment to fight in the civil war freed men and and escaped
slaves who decided to go fight uh for their freedom essentially i think that's about as
patriotic as it gets right there so we'll put that number one i had saving private ryan as well so
that is number two.
I'll put Forrest Gump number three.
I think that's a pretty patriotic or at least Americana type movie in the same kind of vein as Sandlot.
A little bit different, but I think similar explanations.
I'm going to go with Lincoln four. I thought Lincoln was a really good acting job by Daniel Day-Lewis.
He's phenomenal.
So I have that on here as well.
And then I added as my fifth,
and I had a lot of options here.
I could have went with Armageddon.
You don't have to list all the movies
you've ever seen now.
Air Force One.
I've never seen The Patriots,
so I couldn't have put that on there.
Whoa, that's a big miss for you.
I went with A Few Good Men,
which is maybe my favorite all-time movie.
It's maybe not really all that patriotic,
but I think there is something patriotic
about being held to account
for doing bad things.
I just was looking for movies
that were like, yeah, America!
That's what I was looking for. So then that's the other one that I mentioned in just wanted, I just was looking for movies that were like, yeah, America, you know,
like that's what I was like.
So,
so then that's the other one that I mentioned in our, our thread team America world police,
but that's like,
that's poking fun at America.
That's satirical.
It's true.
Right.
Uh,
all right.
So I have to pick one from this group of 15,
huh?
You know,
I glory did come to mind.
So that's a pretty good one.
I think that that belongs on the list.
Okay, Glory for me.
We'll put that in the top five.
Good call.
Rocky IV should be on your list.
Right?
Yeah, I mean, and Top Gun.
I mentioned those as well.
That's a bad movie.
You don't want to have bad movies on there
just because they're patriotic.
Even Rocky IV, it's like, I mean, it's a very good movie,
but it's just like a very cheesy version of patriotism in my mind.
I'm not trying to hate on it.
That's what I was going for.
It was all about the, you know, Red Dawn also came to mind,
but I don't think that's that good of a movie, unfortunately.
Red Dawn, way ahead of Rocky IV.
In terms of what?
In terms of patriotism or just movie quality? Patriotism. And I'd rather watch Red Dawn again than Rocky IV. In terms of what? In terms of patriotism or just movie quality?
Patriotism.
And I'd rather watch
Red Dawn again
than Rocky IV again.
Oh, no.
That's a bad take.
Put it on the list.
I watch Red Dawn
pretty much whenever it's on.
The original or the new one?
Original, yeah.
Of course.
Yeah.
Wolverines.
Colin from Detroit.
Let's go to our
Apple Podcast questions.
This is in a 12-team PPR
tight end premium dynasty league.
Grade the trade.
Give up Saquon Barkley.
Get James Conner, J.K. Dobbins, and Hayden Hurst.
D.
C-. C-minus.
The tight end premium helps a lot.
From CheetosJesus.
Full PPR dynasty startup.
I've got Daniel Jones, Breeze, and Rivers.
Running backs are Damian Williams, James Conner, and Hines.
In the rookie draft, should I lock up the Chiefs backfield
or go with Joe Burrow
as my quarterback of the future?
Take Clyde.
I'd want to know how many teams this is.
If it's 12 teams, I think
it's a lot harder to get a quarterback
and you have Breeze and Rivers
both potentially playing their final season.
You might want to grab Burrow,
but I'm inclined to say Clyde in most scenarios.
He said it was a 12-team league.
Yeah, I don't know. With those two
old quarterbacks, I'd probably go Burrow here
actually. Really?
You're going Burrow over Clyde?
It's really hard to get QBs in 12-team.
Oh, it's not super flex?
I was assuming this was Super Flex.
And he's got Danny Dimes too. He can have a
mediocre quarterback if he needs to.
It's not Superflex. Don't draft Burrow.
The fact that he was considering Burrow made me
think that it was Superflex. No, don't draft
Burrow.
I want to know,
of all the quarterbacks drafted
in the last two seasons,
2018
and 2019. Can we go three seasons, please,
for this question?
No. I'd like we go three seasons, please, for this question? No.
I'd like to go three seasons.
Where would you rank Daniel Jones among
all the quarterbacks drafted
in 2018 and 2019?
He is in the Josh Allen, Mitchell Trubisky tier.
Mitchell Trubisky?
Yep.
Daniel Jones is in the same tier as Mitchell Trubisky?
Yes. Wait a second. Trubisky's been in the same tier as Mitchell Trubisky? Yes.
How good do you think he is?
Wait a second.
Trubisky's been in the league three years, right?
That's why I said.
That's why I wanted to go three years because I wanted to include.
I knew what you were going to ask.
So you don't think Daniel Jones is good?
I don't think we know for sure.
I'm not as – I will say this also.
Part of the reason I put Trubisky in there is I'm not also as convinced
as everyone else that Trubisky is terrible.
But I don't think any of them are very good as passers.
But if they're used the right way as runners and schemed up the right way, they can be acceptable starting quarterbacks.
I think Daniel Jones is a lot better of a passer than his than his numbers would indicate.
He makes it really good.
Jackson is a lot worse of a passer than his numbers would indicate.
Yeah, well, that I think. Yeah, for sure. But I some really good passes. And you think Lamar Jackson is a lot worse of a passer than his numbers would indicate. Yeah, well, that, I think, yeah, for sure.
But I'm not saying Jones...
Actually, I do think Jones is probably a better pure
passer than Lamar Jackson.
And there's been zero evidence since they were in high
school that that's true.
I don't know about that. I mean, Jackson's a better
player, but...
Yeah, I don't know.
Statistically...
If you would put Daniel Jones in Bobby Petrino's offense,
he would have put up big numbers,
like every quarterback that goes to Washington State does.
I think if you put Lamar Jackson in Duke's offense,
Duke would have been good.
Well, Duke wasn't terrible with him.
I mean, I think they had like one decent year.
Okay.
So it's from Chucky Buckle.
How do bi-weeks...
You know what?
I really do predict that Daniel Jones,
his accuracy is going to go way up this year.
His completion percentage is going to go way up this year.
How do bi-weeks change your decisions
in drafting slash rankings in the first couple rounds?
Do you try to keep all your starters on different bi-weeks?
Are you okay with having a majority of your starters
at the same week or two?
Do not look at them at all mostly ignore them um it depends on format of course yeah there's a
couple formats where they get relevant but for me i've actually tried it both ways and i i don't hate
when i stack my buys people get really mad about that but essentially means that you have a pretty
significant disadvantage for one week and you're not even a guaranteed loser if your opponent
has a really horrible week against you, which
can happen. And then every other
week, you have a slight advantage because you're going to be playing
teams that are on buys, and your
lineup's full every week.
It works out kind of well, actually, sometimes.
Next question.
Hi. Eric, Andrew, Austin,
Laurent, and Mitchell.
Laurent Robinson.
Austin Proll.
Mitchell.
This has got to be like Rams receivers or something.
I have no idea.
Who's Andrew and Eric and Mitchell?
Maybe it's a college that they all went to.
These are like his friends.
Come on.
$200 auction.
12-team league.
Who should I keep?
I can only keep one.
Miles Sanders, 37.
Kenyon Drake for 30.
Austin Eckler for 25.
Eckler.
If you can keep him for multiple seasons,
it gets a lot tougher because Eckler's already 25.
It's non-PPR.
Oh, standard.
And Drake's like 27.
I think I might keep Sanders.
I can't keep Sanders for 50% more than Austin Eckler, even in none.
Sorry.
From Jonathan, dear Jeff, Blair, Cortez, and Keith.
Cortez, Kennedy.
I'm just naming football players.
I mean, it seems like it would be Seahawks if Cortez Kennedy.
I don't really know a lot of other Cortezes.
Yeah, same.
Let's see.
Jeff, Blair, Cortez, and Keith.
Cortez Kennedy.
Jeff George.
Blair Thomas.
I think they may have been in the same draft.
All right.
Do you think DeAndre Hopkins will regress in 2020,
and where would you draft him?
Regress is not the word that I would use.
I would not draft him until late second.
Yeah, I'm more like mid-second,
but you usually don't even get him there.
This is from Landry.
Dear Ty, X, Falcon, and at, at, at.
Star Wars. Oh, really? Machines and at, at, at.
Star Wars.
Oh, really?
Machines?
All right.
Star Wars.
Probably should have known that.
No, I shouldn't have known that.
I've barely seen Star Wars.
I've got some beef with everyone's appraisal of Joe Mixon.
Everyone's saying that based on the second half of the season,
Mixon is trending up.
He's not at all.
The Bengals threw their season.
That's why they started giving him the ball 25,000 times a game.
How are you all so high on him?
Why not take a Josh Jacobs, Sanders, Kelsey Kittle over him?
Reach.
Wait, who are you really high on him?
He Dave and Jamie and the industry. He's like a consensus first round pick.
Yeah, I got him.
I have him like right around where I have Eckler
RB8, RB9, both of them
I think I have him RB15 in PPR
Spicy!
If he plays 16 games this season, then I'm sure he will finish in the top 12
but there's been a lot of
hoping for things for Joe Mixon for three years now that we have not seen.
It's not like he's been bad.
No, but it's not like he's been great.
Yeah, and I get annoyed that everybody just forgets about the first eight games where he sucked.
I get annoyed that everybody every single year talks about what he's going to do in the passing game this year.
And maybe this year will be the year and I'll look stupid.
But they just don't throw him the ball.
And he doesn't play enough snaps.
He doesn't play enough passing downs.
It's not just they don't throw him the ball.
He doesn't run the routes.
Even last year with the new head coach, I think he only broke 75% of the snaps a couple times.
It's not too dissimilar from the stuff we talk about with Aaron Jones.
They still use Giovanni Bernard in the passing game.
And people think they
don't.
I think,
I feel like Heath has made this comparison,
but if you just look at touches,
Chris Carson and Joe Mixon are pretty similar and Carson will have more care
based on the last two years.
Carson gets more carries and the catches could be fairly similar.
The past two years,
they have been almost identical.
Yeah.
Okay.
Thanks for the question.
Landry. Hope we
did not
piss you off with our Joe Mixon take. I think we're
probably on the same page there. Emails.
This is from
Chris in
Rocket City. Dear
Russ, Joe, Jeff, Raleigh, and
Don. Hopefully Jamie is on if
you read this since he's the reliable historian.
Wow. That's really mean. Obviously
I know this. I have no idea what this is.
You've talked
a bit about COVID contingencies during the
season. My league doesn't want to get complicated
like best bench points for out players,
etc. We've had three
proposals. Wanted to see which you like the best.
First, add a third
IR spot to the league for a year.
Second, add two rounds and bench spots to the league
to give us options for day off outs.
Third is do both.
What do you think?
Second.
Yeah, if you already have two IR spots,
I don't know if I've ever played in a league
with two IR spots, to be honest with you.
Russ, Joe, Jeff, Raleigh, and Don might be Redskins.
Washington, linemen.
Maybe the Hogs.
I'm not sure.
Is it Raleigh-Williams or something?
What is it?
I don't know.
Raleigh, North Carolina?
Yeah, I think it's Raleigh, North Carolina.
Was one of the linemen.
Alan from outside of Boston.
Oh, this one I know.
Hey, Adam, Michael, George, Val, and Christian.
Come on, guys.
Those are Batman?
Those are Batman.
I'm looking up Raleigh.
Oh, it's Raleigh McKenzie.
Yeah, those are Batman for sure.
I heard Ben mentioned a fantasy team as a living ever
changing organism from draft to championship it's a great call by ben as usual i don't think we talk
about this idea enough do we need to start approaching our weekly home league with a
daily league mindset last year i won my standard league championship with only two players from my
original draft somewhat yeah i mean the daily league mindset depends.
I certainly, mid-season, will take that type of approach with teams that I don't think
are as strong as some of the top teams in the league.
I will try to acquire, before the trade deadline, high-variance players.
I've won championships this way.
I know it was like three or four years ago, but I intentionally did this, Acquired T.Y. Hilton that year. He was great down the stretch. Acquired players like that that were considered more boom bust. And if they can everywhere. But I think if you have a really good team,
you want,
you know,
you don't need to,
you don't need to treat it that way.
You can do things a little bit differently.
And last question,
guys,
before we get into our 4th of July weekend,
this is from Austin.
Not sure if this was your intention,
but the podcast the other day convinced me that golden Tate is easily the
best value of the three giants wide receivers.
I'm looking at his stats right now and didn't realize how well he played last
year.
If he's going to last,
if he's going last out of that group,
that seems like the best value golden Tate,
best giants wide receiver value.
I can't disagree with that.
This person was obviously not listening to Ben through the podcast,
but like he is obviously their most accomplished wide receiver.
And last year on a per game basis,
I think he was their best wide receiver.
So if he's going last,
like I don't expect him to be the best this year,
but going two rounds after Shepard and after Slayton,
for some reason,
I think it's definite that he's their best value.
Okay. Well, everybody, please have a great definite that he's their best value. Okay.
Well, everybody, please have
a great weekend. Have a lot of fun.
Have a Coors Light.
Drink responsibly.
We will talk to you on Monday as we
begin Projections Week. Watch
yourself a patriotic movie. Rocky IV
will do. And thanks
a lot to, of course, the Benz, to Heath,
and to all of you for listening.
Happy 4th. Talk to you Monday. See ya.