Fantasy Football Today - Top 5 QBs! Who is #2? Also, Best Movie Dads of All-Time! (06/21 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: June 21, 2021

It's Patrick Mahomes at #1, but who are we ranking second? Let's start with some stats about the position (4:00) including a surprising stat about Lamar Jackson near the goal line (7:45). Within this discussion, we'll talk about how prolific 2020 was for QBs and what to expect in 2021 ... How confident are Dave and Jamey in putting Josh Allen as their QB2 (11:04)? Which non-Mahomes QB has the most upside (14:00)? Which Top 6 QB has the most downside (18:50)? Which quarterback drafted outside the Top 10 could finish as QB1 (19:30)? ... Now moving on to the rankings, we determine when Mahomes should be picked (20:30), debate Jackson vs. Kyler Murray as QB3 (22:22) and tell you why Dak Prescott is QB5 even though you shouldn't be surprised if he is much better than that (28:40). And let's reveal our Top 3 movie dads of all-time (39:00)! Why the hell is John McClane on the list? Can anybody beat Bryan Mills from "Taken"? ... Email us at [e-mail] Fantasy Football Today' is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Google Podcasts, Castbox, and wherever else you listen to podcasts. Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @ctowerscbs, @BenSchragg Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Touchdown. Oh, he's done it again. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, Heath, and Beck. Today on the show, let's hope Jamie Eisenberg's quarterback picks are better than his movie picks. That's right, I'm coming out firing right now. Post-Father's Day. Taking shots already. Welcome to the show. It's Top 5 Week. We're going to give our Top 5 quarterbacks today, kind of debate it. Top 5 running backs, wide receivers, tight ends, and then a mailbag on Friday. But also, in honor of Father's Day, I asked Dave and Jamie to put together a list of the Top 3.

In retrospect, probably should have been Top 5, but just Top 3 movie dads. And I have a big beef with Jamie's selections here. That's coming up later on in the show. Happy belated Father's Day, guys. How was your weekend? Good. How was yours? What did you do?

I didn't have fun. Was it your birthday? Was it Father's Day? Yes. Yeah, you better have done some pretty exciting stuff. Well, thank you all on Twitter for the birthday wishes. Birthday was Saturday. Father's Day was Sunday. Actually, my daughter was pretty sick, so we stayed home all weekend.

She had a fever and a virus. She's fine now, so I'm happy that she's okay. Like everybody else, she's sick of you too? Yes, but she broke out in a rash, so she must have been really sick of me. It was just bad timing, I guess, so I

really didn't do anything. I will say, how good was Game 7 of the Nets? Oh, it was fantastic. It was amazing. Well, Game 7 was good. I fell asleep early last night, but yes. Did you guys see the end of the Islanders' lightning game on Saturday? No.

Yeah, it was like a save at the buzzer. No, it was a save by one of the defensemen, I believe. I don't know what position he played, but it wasn't the goalie. It was at the buzzer, which you pretty much never see in hockey. The guy on the lightning made the sickest move to completely juke the goalie, get an empty net, and then this dude just flies in and stops. I obviously know nothing about hockey. That was incredible.

Please YouTube it. Anyway, let's rock and roll here, guys. Talking about these top five quarterbacks. By the way, we have a Scott Fishbowl draft on YouTube tomorrow night. We'll tell you more about that in a little... Oh, look at that! There it is. And that was with tenths of a second left.

Amazing. Amazing. Alright. Stats to know. Amazing. Amazing. All right. Stats to know. We don't know his name. Oh, I don't know his name. We know he's on the Islanders. Yeah. Go New York.

Go New York. Go New York. Go. In the last two seasons. That's the Islanders song? I didn't know that. The Knicks song. Aaron Rodgers.

That was your father's day, buddy. It was better than Adam's singing. Or, you know, using basketball chants to refer to Islanders hockey. What did I do? Went swimming. Spent some time in the pool. Had some fondue with the kids. You know, as the oldest dad on this podcast, I can say that Father's Day really doesn't ever get old.

It's great to have one day a year where I can just kind of do whatever I want to do. And even then, I still didn't go to the restaurant that I wanted to go to, but nevermind. It's okay. I saw, I saw somebody post on Facebook. Why are all restaurants filled up on mother's day, but on father's day,

we're expecting the barbecue. It's a good point because we like to barbecue. Some of us do. And no, I didn't get to have steak on father's day steak is not a barbecue burgers you're thinking of like burgers here we go here we go i just you know burgers and hot dogs all right you know maybe maybe like the connotation of the word barbecue uh suggests foods. What about grilling? When you hear grilling or smoking, maybe that's when you start to think

about other types of meat. Okay, I can dig that. Let's talk quarterbacks. You just want to get on to quarterbacks. In the last two seasons, Aaron Rodgers is the only quarterback to finish in the top six in either format, four-point or six-point passing touchdowns.

The top six. He's the only one with fewer than 200 rushing yards. And, of course, he finished, I think, one in six-point and two in four-point leagues last year. So he was well within the top six, but it's been pretty hard the last two years to crack the top six without 200 rushing yards. So you look at Stafford, you look at Cousins,

you're not drafting them to be top six quarterbacks, but kind of limits their upside. And the previous two years, you had at least five, 2017, 2018, you had at least five quarterbacks finish in the top 10 with fewer than 200 yards. Only three in the last two years, Rodgers twice and Brady once. So it's pretty hard to be even a top 10 quarterback without 200 rushing yards. And's really where stafford and cousins come in and stuff like that because they're not going to get there and brady's not going to get there either um and rogers isn't either and now that was 200 based on 16 games so maybe well they throw 50 touchdowns i mean it'll be a different story yeah of course it is but i think we're seeing more fantasy points store scored

by quarterbacks because of the rushing numbers. It's almost like a different game from 2017. In 2017, the top 12 quarterbacks averaged 20.3 fantasy points per game and 6-point passing touchdowns. Last year, 25.3. But what about 2019? 2019 was

21.6. 2018 was 23.4. Okay, wait. So let me clarify something. I said Rodgers and Brady aren't going to get there. I didn't mean they wouldn't be top 10. I meant they're not going to get to 200 rushing yards. So thank you for just want to make sure everybody clear on that.

And Jamie, last year was such an inflated year for offense. It was the highest scoring year ever. And quarterbacks really, really benefited from it. And what does that mean when you approach quarterback this year? Do we expect something similar or are we expecting a regression of passing stats? There's going to be a regression of passing stats. I think mostly because they were very relaxed with holding calls last year to start the season. You know, that's something I think that was pretty evident if you watch the game. A lot of it, you know, conspiracy theories about how the refs were calling the game.

But I do think that that played in part in the start of the season. You know, you saw a lot of less penalties that I think impact quarterbacks. I think we'll get back to that a little bit, you know, as the world is a little bit more normal. So we'll see. But quarterbacks are getting better. You know, I mean, this is something that we've talked about for a couple of years now. As seven on seven gets better, as the college game gets better, as the pro game gets better,

these guys come into the league more prepared. I mean, you think about it, you know, from Baker Mayfield and Justin Herbert, you know, look what they were able to accomplish in their rookie seasons and just the numbers they were able to post. Burrow, what he was on his way to doing prior to the knee injury. These guys come in ready to play, and I think we're going to see. There's obviously guys that are flawed.

I mean, we saw with Tua, for example, last year, but who knows how much that was an injury-related thing. But I think you see guys coming in at a different level. Trevor Lawrence is probably going to put up some nice numbers, assuming he starts right away. Justin Fields and Mack Jones and Trey Lance and Zach Wilson have a chance to put up good numbers for rookies comparatively to probably some guys 10 years ago.

So it's a different NFL. And so, yes, the numbers will be good, but I think from where they were last year, I'd probably look a little bit closer to 2019 than 2020. Here's a stat I couldn't believe. Dave, I know you saw the same statistic or very similar. Quarterback carries inside the five-yard line in 2020. Josh Allen had nine.

Just these three in particular. Josh Allen had nine. Kyler Murray had seven. Lamar Jackson had one carry all season long from inside the five-yard line. I do believe he had two rushing touchdowns of exactly five yards. I'll double check on that, but he did.

Yeah. Okay. Thank you. His rushing touchdowns. He's so explosive, but he doesn't really even get the goal line carries. And Kyler didn't necessarily either. Alan does,

but I just thought that was amazing. Josh Lamar Jackson, one carry all year inside the five. He had five the previous year, but I couldn't be like, what if, what if he gets five of those this year? The one carry inside the five last year was an aborted snap. He actually had two carries from exactly five yards out. Both of those went for touchdowns over the past two seasons, eight carries from five yards or closer. That's not a

lot. So that's just interesting. If that number goes up, then that could be more rushing touchdowns for Lamar Jackson, who might be number two. We'll find out very soon. We will reveal the rankings. Big news. You've all heard about the Scott Fishbowl Superfund League. I finally participated in it last year.

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So I think we have spots 11 and 12, no, 10 and 11 open in the mock draft that I was gonna, I'm gonna tweet this out prior to Tuesday, obviously, but, uh, that two people that are already registered for the Scott fish bowl can come and mock with us. So if you have spots 10 and 11, um, and you see that you can, you can take those spots. So they have to be slotted into those spots. Yeah. You know, I guess they don't, they want to just come mock. They can come mock us, but they have to be in the

fish bowl. Right. Got it. So as we talk about the top five quarterbacks, we're not going to spend time on Mahomes, really. He's number one. How confident are you in your number two quarterback pick? Very. Somewhat. Not that he's not going to be great,

but that he should be second. That's what I'm saying. Right. I, Dave. Not that he's not going to be great, but that he should be second. That's what I'm saying. Right. I get that. Right. So is it like, oh, this guy, I feel strongly he should be number two, or is it it's a jumbled mess? Dave, for you, it's Josh Allen.

Yeah, I feel good about this. I think that Josh Allen proved last year that he improved as a passer, had all the hallmarks of what a breakout quarterback has. And I don't see anything that's really changed with the Buffalo offense. I don't see them getting away from Josh Allen. My favorite stat about Josh Allen from 2019 to 2020, he averaged seven more pass attempts per game while still rushing for,

yeah, he's had at least eight rushing touchdowns each year of his career. So if he's going to continue to be the catalyst of the offense, and I don't see that changing, then I think he's just in line to have another catalyst of the offense, and I don't see that changing, then I think he's just in line to have another massive season. Jamie, who's number two for you? It's Josh Allen, but it's the eight rushing touchdowns that are the concern,

because that's a high number for most quarterbacks. And if they want to protect him to any level a little bit more, and the run game needs to improve, there's been sort of mixed messages from Buffalo to any level a little bit more and the run game needs to improve. You know, the there's been sort of mixed messages from Buffalo going back to the end of last season. I just finished doing our magazine story on second year running backs and doing,

you know, some Zach Moss research from Brandon being to Sean McDermott saying how they need to get their run game going a little bit more. And then, you know, you hear some of the comments from other members of their offensive coaching staff saying that they don't really need to change things, but he's going to be – I said this last year,

and I firmly believe it. He's going to be one of the best passing quarterbacks in the NFL. He's shown you that in his third season, I think going into his fourth year. He's only going to get better, especially if, you know, Emmanuel Sanders is still good and Gabriel Davis takes the next step. But if the rushing touchdowns go away, if they get cut in half, then Lamar Jackson has the chance to be better than him. Then Kyler Murray has the chance to be better than him.

Then Dak Prescott has the chance to be better than him. So that's where the concern comes in. It's not that he's not going to be a top five quarterback because I think he will be, but there are very good quarterbacks in the top five. And so it's, uh, you know, uh, a confident, um, assessment of Josh Allen, confident ranking of Josh Allen, but I have just as much confidence in the three guys behind him. So it's not a, uh, a firm he's slam dunk number two. Uh, if you like Lamar Jackson, Kyler Murray, or Dak Prescott better, I have no problem with that at all.

And in some order, Mahomes, Jackson, Prescott, Allen, Murray is the top five for Dave, Jamie, and Heath. ADP as well, right? I'm sure. Oh, yeah. Six is Wilson for Jamie and for Heath, and six is Herbert for Dave, with Wilson coming in at seven, Herbert seven for Jamie and for Heath, and six is Herbert for Dave, with Wilson coming in at seven,

Herbert seven for Jamie. So you guys have the same seven names. Yeah, Heath has Herbert at 11. And, okay, so that was my first question. How confident are you in who you name number two, basically? Which non-Mahomes quarterback has the most upside? Lamar Jackson. Yes.

Okay, which... Which is why I would... And I might put him two. I might put him three. He's three for me already. Right. Right. So if Adam were to say, how confident are you in number three?

I've got Kyler Murray there. That's one where I might go, let's see what happens in camp this summer. There was a really good report about how Sammy Watkins was fitting into the offense during mini camp. There's the difference. Listen, they need,

you know what you're going to get. You're drafting Lamar Jackson to be a rusher, right? A thousand yards into the last two seasons. You need him to be better as a passer. No, you don't. Cause he was fantastic two years ago.

He was the, he wasn't as good. He didn't even have 3,000 yards passing. It didn't matter. But he had 36 touchdown passes. Was he quarterback one last year? No, because he was great. No, he was terrible.

But he was two years ago, and he was a record record two years ago. Right, but we're not talking about two years ago. Last year was terrible. It's not just Sammy. It's Bateman as well. It's Brown taking the next step. But overall, it's Lamar Jackson. He's got to be a better passer.

No, he doesn't. Yeah, he does. Otherwise, he's going to be as good as he was last year. He won't be quarterback one. Or he can be as good as he was two years ago, and he won't be quarterback one. He had 36 touchdowns two years ago, Jamie. He had 11 deep passing touchdowns. That doesn't matter.

He was still the number one quarterback. You can tell me whatever he was or he wasn't. He was number one. That's what Dave was saying. You're saying that he needs to... Did he have Sammy Watkins two years ago? Of course not. Okay, so it didn't matter.

Dave, what you're saying is that he needs to pass more like he did in 2019 than 2020. He needs to be a more efficient passer. It's as simple as that. If he's going to be QB1, he's got to be a more efficient passer. That's what happened to Josh Allen last year. That's what happened to Kyle Murray last year. He doesn't need to be more efficient to be number one. He already proved it.

You're right. You know what? He's probably going to get 1,500 yards and 12 rushing touchdowns, and that'll be what carries him. Okay, but Sammy Watkins is going to make him be the number one quarterback. I didn't say. I just. There it is.

Come on, guys. Sammy Watkins. There you go. Go, Sammy, go. If Sammy Watkins gets him 700 yards and four touchdowns, and Bateman gives him the same, and he completes a higher percentage of his passes and he's going to be able to throw for 3200 yards it's not a very high bar

and 30 touchdowns which is like almost right in between where he was last year and the year before then he can be QB one he needs to be a better passer to be QB1. What's so interesting about Lamar Jackson, he was QB10 last year, and he scored 383 points in six points for passing touchdown leagues, and that would have been better than almost every quarterback in 2019.

But he was QB10. I think he would have been QB3 in 2019 with those numbers, and probably in four points for passing touchdown leagues, he probably would have been QB3 in 2019 with those numbers. And probably in four-point-per-passing touchdown, he probably would have been QB1 in 2019. And I think he finished as QB8 or something like that. And by the way, you can make fun of Sammy Watkins.

He's going to be a better receiver for them than Miles Boykin was last year or than Willie Sneed was for them last year. He's got better weapons. No, no, no. I'm not saying that Sammy Watkins is going to be the difference, but he's somebody who stepped up in offseason minicamps. I'm not saying go draft. You know what?

If you want to draft Sammy Watkins with your last pick, be my guest. But I think that having better receivers will help Lamar Jackson be a better quarterback. Lamar's got to throw. I've already made that clear. Well, here's my question. Receivers who don't make mistakes will help him, too. He needs to have a better year of throwing,

but it really was mostly just the touchdown rate, which was still really high for him, but I think he went from, what, 36 to 26 touchdowns? Yes. So, actually, when you look at his numbers, I think he's better when he throws less. And that's my... I don't want him to throw the ball more.

He could have better passing stats all he wants. I don't want it to come at the expense of his rushing stats. And I don't know that's my, I don't want him to throw the ball more. He could have better passing stats all he wants. I don't want it to come at the expense of his rushing stats. And I don't know that it will because he is who he is. And he's still going to lead all quarterbacks in rushing yards. But is he going to get to over 1,000 yards again? Is he going to get to 1,300? Because that's basically what he's been on pace for in 16 games. He's been not close to 1,300.

If he's not over 1,000 rushing yards, then he's not going to be a top five quarterback. Unless he's a really good passer. Right. I don't, I don't want to see him throw the ball at the expense of his rushing, but I've seen, you know,

we've seen stretches where he throws the ball a lot and he still runs the ball a lot. So it's, you know, he's not, he's not going to get away from what he does. All right. His best fantasy production game.

When he stopped throwing as much in the second half of the season, 20 times a game. Well, he had more, right. After COVID, there were five games, right? He had four touchdowns in those five games. He was more efficient as a runner in those games. He really didn't see that many more rushes.

It was like one rush attempt per game more. No. When you average it out. He just was so much more efficient. Okay, which quarterback, which top six quarterback has the most downside? I mean, can I say Russell Wilson, even though he's not in my top six quarterback has the most downside? I mean, can I say Russell Wilson, even though he's not in my top six?

Yes. There it is. Kyler, I think, because you saw the injury and what it did to him. Okay. Yeah. I could say the same thing about Dak, though. He had a pretty bad injury,

and you saw what it did to him. True. I mean, Russell Wilson, there's a lot of uncertainty, I guess. New offense, it's a good pick. Kind of an iffy situation with the franchise. Last year, we had Josh Allen as QB 11 in ADP, and Aaron Rodgers with QB 10.

They were two of the best values in fantasy. The year before, Lamar Jackson was QB 11 in ADP. Do you see someone who's going in that range that could finish as QB one this year? Hurt. Dave. Good, good answer.

Good there. I think that's a good answer. I think Tannehill is a good answer. Okay. I think, I think there's a, nah, I'm not going to say it.

Nevermind. I was going to talk up the rookies, but I don't think they could be QB1. All right, let's get into it. It'd take a huge stretch. I think Lance could too, but I don't want to say it's such a thing. I don't see Lance starting enough games.

That's a problem. It would come with the caveat that he starts week one. Sure. Okay, then. Let's get into the rankings. Mahomes is one, and I think some other show will probably talk about how far ahead he should be of the rest.

Josh Allen is not that far? I don't think he should be that far ahead. Ahead in terms of finish or ahead in terms of draft? Draft. He's going to get drafted

ahead of the field probably by around. How many picks? By around, at least. Yeah, that doesn't strike me as too dramatic. What I don't think should be is he should be second round. I don't think we should see Mahomes go in the second round, which we would never do,

and then everybody else go in late round four or something. But you say we would never do. Again, I hate to keep revealing our magazine draft, but we draft with people that aren't on our site and people that play fantasy, and Mahomes went in round two. Yeah, but it wasn't a CBS guy who did it. No, but his average draft position is going to be round two. That's probably going to be realistic of what we see in drafts this year

is Mahomes will be a top 24 pick. Someone will take him in every draft around then. I don't think it's inaccurate to say that we, at least Adam, Dave, Jamie, Heath, Chris, would never take him in every draft around then. I don't think it's inaccurate to say that we, at least Adam, Dave, Jamie, Heath, Chris, would never take him in round two. No, but Heath takes him in round three pretty regularly. To be honest, remember we talked about

lessons learned from a... Was that that episode? Lessons learned from a 2020 draft? Dave, you had that sick team. Jamie, you beat him in the finals. You had the six seed or something. Yeah, thanks for the reminder. Jamie, obviously you knew you wouldn't get Mahomes with your fourth pick. So you took him 25th.

You had the first pick overall. You took McCaffrey. And then I forgot. You took Mahomes in the third round, but with the first pick of the third round. I typically have my number one quarterback ranked in my top 200 almost annually, somewhere between 25 and 30. So that's where Mahomes was ranked. I felt comfortable taking him at the turn.

And so, you know, if I'm ever going to pull the trigger on the top quarterback, it's going to be there. And so a lot of drafts I do try to do different things. That was one that I tried to do something different. And so Mahomes at 25. I mean, most times I'm not going to take the first quarterback. Josh Allen, too. Who do you guys have

third? I have Kyler. Kyler versus Lamar. So, Jamie, why are people so confident in Lamar Jackson after a disappointing year last year? I mean, it just goes back to what we talked about. You see what the upside is. You see what he can be. He could be the best quarterback in fantasy,

and he's going to, as you said, lead most quarterbacks in rushing production. To Dave's point, they did give him better weapons, which is a plus if those guys are going to contribute. Again, referencing some things from the offseason, Jeff Srebek, who covers the Ravens for The Athletic, just wrote this morning, Monday morning, stock up, stock down, no changes from the minicamp. And stock up for him was J.K. Dobbins

because of his work in the passing game. And if he does get more work in the passing game, you want to talk about easy ways to help Lamar Jackson's throwing is throw to your running backs, you know, because those guys are going to be in space wide open, you know, and you, you see what their ability to do running the ball,

you know, Edwards is five yards per carry Dobbins was six yards per carry. And so if they can do that with the ball in, in their hands in different ways, in speaking to Dobbins last week, you know, he said he made mistakes as a pass catcher last season, and he can improve in that area of his game this year.

And, and his reback wrote that he had one drop and the rest of the time he looked like a fluid pass catcher last season and he can improve in that area of his game this year and and his rebeck wrote that he had one drop and the rest of the time he looked like a fluid pass catcher so um i think if you know that's an area that lamar jackson improves on easy throws and again it could be walk-ins helping him could be baitman helping him could be marquise and mark andrews helping him but um anything he does better as a passer is only going to enhance his game but But his game two years ago, if that's the same guy you get, you're going to get a top three quarterback for sure. Dave, why did you go with Kyler Murray over Lamar Jackson?

Loved what I saw from him until he got hurt last year. He was averaging 32 fantasy points per game through his first nine games and doing way more as a rusher. And if there's a nitpick on Kyler, it's that he probably won't do as much as a rusher. And if there's a nitpick on Kyler, it's that he probably won't do as much as a rusher. Although I could still see him being a good red zone threat. I don't know if the yardage will quite be there, but I think his passing efficiency, which went up from his rookie year to a second year, can go up again. I like the addition of Rondell Moore. I like the addition of A.J. Green. I'm not, again, two guys that are good late round picks, not necessarily

guys that are going to blow up for fantasy, but guys that will help Kyler be a better passer. I also think that we'll see this Cardinals offense take a few more deep shots. I think that that's something that could help him just get some more smash points over the course of games and turn some of those 25 to 28-point games into 30, 33-point games, something like that. I think that the schedule is pretty good for him. Eighth best projected strength of schedule among quarterbacks. I think that'll help him. And I think he'll be in a lot of high-scoring games. And I think he's a playmaker with the football.

So I feel a little safer with him than I do over Lamar Jackson at this point. If Lamar looks good throwing the football, the reports are good about him throwing the football. And if the reports out of Arizona keep saying that Kyler's going to run less, then a switch should be made. But until then, I'm sticking with Kyler at three. They both have good cases to be number two

because Jackson was number QB1 in 2019 and Murray was QB1 before his injury. And this is an interesting quote from Kyler Murray. He said, and Dave, you just alluded to it, talking about how the Cardinals are saying he's going to run less. Honestly, the way I see it is

my legs should be a luxury. And it kind of wasn't like that last year. It was me having to run for us in a sense. Once my shoulder was banged up and I wasn't trying to put myself out there and take those hits, we hit a lull. Honestly, I think it was a lesson for us.

We can't be one-dimensional. We've got to be better in all aspects of the game. It's a very interesting quote. And obviously it means their offense was better when he was running because he's saying, you know, he stopped running basically. He didn't want to take those hits after the shoulder injury.

But also he doesn't want to get hurt, right? And they've got to be able to be more balanced. So I don't really know what to make of it. My thing is like, if the guy's great at running, he's going to run. We've seen it from quarterbacks for so many years. And then like in the case of even quarterbacks like Cam Newton, where they try and make a change

and really encourage him to run less and throw more. Eventually the coach is throwing the towel and they say, man, go do what you got to do. I think Cam had a quote like, you don't tell a lion to change. So why would they tell me to change? Something like that. It's a terrible paraphrase. Well, it's the guys who evolve as passers.

I mean, you know, you've seen it with Josh Allen, you know, over the course of where he ran his rookie season. The touchdowns are still there for him him but the rushing yards have come down um you know randall cunningham evolved as a as a quarterback uh russell wilson has evolved as a quarterback you know um steve young john elwitt you know guys that ran early in their careers and and ran less as their as as their bodies took more hits as they got older as they got better throwing the ball so i think the thing for kyler is um kind of reading between the lines with his his his quote uh one is the run game going to be better to support

him and that's a question mark because we know the the guys that they brought in you know or the guy that they brought in to replace the guy that they lost james connor to replace kenyan drake feels like a wash at best um and chase edmonds, is he getting a bigger role? Well, they had him on the team last year and he didn't really do a great job running the ball when he got the opportunity. So is the run game going to be a support? But the other side of it is the offensive line

with the addition of Rodney Hudson. Does that make things better in terms of their run game overall? And so does he have to do more? But bringing in Rondell Moore speaks to hopefully some better throwing opportunities, another year of comfort with DeAndre Hopkins and the addition of A.J. Green.

So it's going to be an interesting season for Kyler Murray. But again, you're looking for what the upside is with these guys. And that's why these guys are top five quarterbacks. So Kyler is going to still be Kyler, and hopefully he doesn't get banged up again. And that's the thing you've got to be concerned about, I think, the most with him is not necessarily what the production can be. It's, you know, will he stay healthy over the course of 17 eight okay so right now it's mahomes allen

and kyler for dave mahomes allen and jackson for jamie who's number four dave for me it's lamar have we talked about him enough i'm not sure jamie who's number four kyler okay all right so then number five is Dak Prescott? Yep. Yep. Okay, so let me make the case that Dak Prescott should be higher. Just going to make the case. He was QB2 in 2019, his last full season, and he was QB1 per game.

What was he? Yep, he was one. In both formats? He was QB1. I have him per game as QB4 in six-point-per-passing touchdown leagues and QB1 in four-point last year. No, he was QB. I have him per game as QB four in six point per passing touchdown leagues and QB one in four point last year. No, he was one in six point. I've got him one at six point if you include his.

Yeah, you got to lower the threshold, the four and three quarters games. Okay, well, if you include the fifth game, FFToday.com has him as four behind Rodgers, Mahomes, and Allen. Pretty close. But, yeah, he did get hurt in that game. So if you're just looking at the first four games, he's probably QB1. He's almost certainly QB1.

No, I've done QB1. I haven't met QB1. He's QB1 with the five games. Right. Per game? Yeah. 29.1, I believe, is the number. I'm sorry.

29.6. All right. Yeah. That's what happens when you use different sources but either way it's an easy case to make for dak prescott because he's been elite twice in a row so why is he fifth injury you know just is he going to be the same guy coming back hopefully that's the case he's saying all the right things but again you know it's uh i'll go back to what you you and you asked about qb2 i would not be surprised if he's QB1. You know, I mean, if they're going to throw the ball like we saw last year, and I don't know why they would be so far away from that.

I agree with you, Adam, that what you said time and time again, that they're not going to throw as much. But I don't think they're going to be cut in half. I don't think it's going to be cut in a third. I think it's going to be, you know, five attempts in that range off of what he was last year. He's going to be, you know, five attempts in that range off of what he was last year. He's going to be above 40 pass attempts. This offense is going to still run through him as much as Ezekiel Elliott has bounce back potential, which I think he does.

But, you know, you don't bring in C.D. Lamb. You don't have all these weapons that they have. Signing Amari Cooper last year, still have Michael Gallup on the roster, Blake Jarwin coming back. What Zeke does out of the backfield. I mean, this is a fantastic offense. And, you know, I think Dak is a fantastic offense and you know I think Dak is going to continue to be successful he'll run enough that you'll you know still be comfortable with him he's not Lamar or Kyler but he's going to run enough again another quarterback that's

evolved as a passer and so there's no reason like if you go into your draft saying I have to have a top five quarterback and you see almost everywhere that Dak is five and you know how your league drafts, then you just wait it out. If it's the third round, the fourth round, the fifth round, wherever you think Dak is going to go, you pull the trigger on it. He's going to be just as good as other guys. And as you said, or as you pointed out, maybe better. You should feel very comfortable taking Dak as a top five quarterback for sure. Could he finish his QB one? That's where I maybe have even more of a sticking point. I'm just not sure if he runs enough to do

that and if he can make up for it with crazy amounts of passing. I know he runs as much as Mahomes does. I mean, there's not much difference. Yeah, I know. But like, I think there's a higher ceiling for Mahomes with passing stats as there is for Dak Prescott. Last year, even though he was averaging 29.6 in those first five, his first game, 19 fantasy points, he was doing miserable in his fifth game. So I think there's a little less consistency for Dak. I think I looked it up today.

It's 22 or more fantasy points in 13 of his past 21 games. It's good. That's a 62% hit rate. But I think we can do better. I think you can do better when it comes to a healthy Kyler, a fully functional Lamar, a Josh, Josh Allen doing what he does last year.

And of course my homes. So I think there's like a little bit of, to a lot bit of a higher ceiling with the other four quarterbacks, which isn't to say that Dak's bad. He's going to be very good for your fantasy team. He's better than, you know, 27 other quarterbacks in the National Football League.

Yeah, the only thing that Prescott, when you talk about upside, a lot of upside is just something that we have a hard time predicting. It's impossible to predict, basically, is touchdown passes. Who could have seen Aaron Rodgers having the touchdown rate? He had a 9% touchdown rate last year. Dak Prescott has never had a touchdown rate above 5%. That's actually pretty incredible that he's been so successful without having

one of those wacky outlier years. That's where he could become QB1. I've made this point. You just look at his numbers. He's been a very consistent quarterback. What they started doing was throwing the ball more the last two years when Kellen Moore took over. They've been a very pass-heavy team.

They were second in the NFL in pass attempts last year. And in the first four games, he was averaging 50 pass attempts per game. That's obviously not going to happen. But what if he has a 7% touchdown rate? What if he has an 8% touchdown rate? Then he probably will be QB1, you know? Or very, very close to it.

So that's it. It's just for him, he's a decent rusher and he's, you know, a good passer, probably gonna be around 5,000 yards. Right. But will he have the crazy touchdown year? He hasn't had it yet. There's no reason why he can't have it again. It just, maybe they need to be a little more committed to throwing the ball near the end zone. Maybe I the end zone. Maybe they're just smashing it in with Zeke too much. I don't know. But that's been the... Mahomes' touchdown rate, 8.6%, 5.4%, 6.5%

these last three years. And that's not even super high, those last two, 5.4% and 6.5%. Dak has never been even at 5%, above 5%. Okay, and then how big of a gap is there between Prescott and whoever number six is for you? It's Jamie, it's Wilson, and for Dave, it's Herbert. There's a gap there that's at least the same

as it would be from Mahomes to Allen. So at least one round I would want to wait before going after Justin Herbert. Jamie, what do you think? How big of a gap is it? I mean, I think, you know, Wilson is, uh, the more you hear about them throwing more, the more people are going to get excited about him. Um, you know, you, you saw again, if you want to talk about first half for Kyler, first

half for Russell, uh, was, was absolutely through the roof. And, you know, I think you just look at what his, his upside can be, um, if they allow him to be him. And, you know, we, we saw look at what his upside can be if they allow him to be him. And, you know, again, we saw it last year. I don't think that their defense is going to be as good as it was when they were playing some of the teams they were playing. Run game is going to be fine, I think. But this is Russell's offense.

You know, I think they've made that pretty clear. I'm very confident in what I've seen from this offseason, the commitment to him, the draft and what they did, um, the offense coordinator and the new system they're employing, what you're hearing from the receivers about them being more creative. I think Russ is going to have a potential huge season. I think you're right, Adam, that this could be his MVP year. Right. I made that case.

I just, I just feel like the whole franchise is about Russell Wilson right now. If they want to keep them, they really need to let him go out and just dominate. And what happened at the end of last year was the, you know, I have the quote. Let's see if I can find the quote. I can tell you what happened statistically. After the wild card loss, this was an ESPN article talking about all this statistical regression. But here's actually the quote from Pete Carroll. Carroll regretted that the Seahawks didn't adjust better

to the way opponents were defending their deep passing in the play-action game, traditionally a big part of Seattle's offensive success. And then he said, quote, that doesn't mean we throw the ball over their head all the time and going for just bombs, but there's a lot of space we create in the play-passing game, and it seemed like during the course of the season,

after the halfway point, we had hit so much early. We had been so effective that people found a way to stay back and just try to bleed us and make us have to throw the ball underneath. And we were maybe really going for it more than we needed to and didn't take advantage of switching gears a bit there as effectively as we would like. Pretty candid admission that defenses adjusted to them and they did not adjust properly to the adjustments. That's why they got rid of who they got rid of

and brought in who they brought in. Exactly. I just can't really think of a quarterback. The only thing that scares me a little bit about my MVP prediction is can you think of a quarterback that finishes like a top three

fantasy quarterback with a new offensive coordinator? I mean, that wasn't already on the staff because it happened for Dak with Kellen Moore and it happened for Lamar Jackson with Greg Roman, who was on the staff in 2018, but became the offensive coordinator in 2019. It was a little gimmicky,

but I just don't love the lack of continuity there for Wilson. You mean in the same year? Yeah, like Brady's second half of the year seemed to click with Bruce Arians. But just quarterbacks learning a new offense, I don't love it. And that's what's happening with Wilson. And like I said, it happened with Dak with a new coordinator. It happened with Lamar with a new coordinator. They finished two and one, respectively.

But those guys were already on the coaching staff. They weren't complete. Well, I guess Roman did completely overhaul things, but I'm not sure you can draw much conclusion, much parallels there between the Lamar Jackson offense and what this is going to, often it's going to look like in Seattle. Yeah. I don't know if I worry about it with a veteran guy like this that has his weapons in place and plenty of time to learn whatever new nuances. I don't know if it's a new system that's going to be completely overhauled. They're obviously going to change things, but I think they're going to play to Russell's strengths.

Okay. All right, let's take a break here. And when we come back, we will talk about the best movie dads. Yeah! And some news and notes from around the NFL. We'll be right back on Fantasy Football today. Whether in the game or in life, the right coverage can make all the difference.

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And I was like, that is a terrible pick. So you know what? We'll do the news and notes after. Let's go. Let's do the top three movie dads. Who wants to go first? I don't think we should waste any time. I think we should get to write to Jamie.

I agree. Who cares who I picked at this point? Jamie, your top three movie dads? It was all very serious and a lot of thought put into it. John McClane, just to piss you off, because I know you hate the fact that he's a great dad. Blue from Rio. Great Christmas dad.

Great Christmas dad. Great Christmas dad, that's true. Good point. Blue from Rio, because it's the only movie where my cousin's the father and uh dom from fast and furious because i was thinking of what's the worst like franchise that has a parent in it and he just became a father in the fate of the furious i believe uh the the last movie and so i just thought that would be as goofy as possible. I picked Dominic Toretto from Fast and the Furious.

Never seen Fast and the Furious. Can't argue with that one. But obviously, John McClane, who that was my friend started his Mount Rushmore with, that is a terrible pick. He is never a father. I don't remember... Well, that's wrong. What's that? That's wrong. He goes to the sun to Russia. Yes, exactly. That's what I was going to say.'s wrong. He goes with his son to Russia. Yes, exactly.

That's what I was going to say. He's actually a father in the fourth one with his daughter. Well. But I don't remember Die Hard 2. He's a father in all of them. No, but he doesn't play a father. That's just ridiculous. It's a terrible pick.

The reason he went to Nakatomi Towers was to see Holly Gennaro and to go see his kids. Okay, so Die Hard is a fatherhood movie. That's what you're telling me? No, it's not a kids okay so die hard is a fatherhood movie that's what you're telling me that's a parenting movie father how many things can you guys get wrong about die hard i don't understand you're asking us or you're asking yourself no get susan back on the on the show all right so mclean blue from r, and Dom from Fast and the Furious. I completely reject John McClane. He does not act in a parenting role at all. Well, he does.

We just said that. No, but he doesn't. He doesn't. Wouldn't you want your dad to save tons of innocent people from burglar terrorists? Yeah, but he's a great cop. He's not a great dad in that movie. And actually, I think the...

Wait a minute. The fourth one is the daughter, right? Yes, that's what I said. The fifth one is Russia. Yeah, it's the worst movie ever. Right, so it's too back-to-back where he's dead. Yeah, wait a long time. Gosh, you have to wait. No, I'm sorry. It's too back-to-back where he's focused on his children solely. Right, but that's like 20 plus

years. I don't remember when Die Hard 4 came out. After the franchise started. I mean, that's a long time. Okay. I mean, that's a long time. Okay. Dave, what do you got? Top three movie deaths. It's not going to be an exciting Die Hard film if it's John McClane making eggs for his kids in the morning. That's true.

We'll see. Dave will have a better list, and you'll see why John McClane should not qualify. Go ahead. All right. So Darth Vader, ruler of the galaxy, and hard, strong red line when it comes to everything, but not killing his own kids. And then he wanted to rule the galaxy with his son.

He came to love his son, and then he saved his son. Oh, you're spoiling everything for me right now. Yeah, sorry. Next up is King Jaffe Joffer. Jaffe Joffer from Coming to america ruler of zamunda willing to you know not only was he the master of all that he surveys but he was also a concerned dad and was willing to clean up his son's mistakes by offering one and then two million american dollars to the owner of mcdowell's just in case he was unhappy with his son messing around with his daughter and then

you've got Mufasa from the Lion King who was the leader of the animal kingdom uh just an amazing guy who sacrificed himself oh yeah I mean I'm getting to that like Mufasa sacrificed himself to save his son and then his son took over and followed in his footsteps three admirable fathers all played by james earl jones who's america's dad it's an open and shut case that's pretty it's pretty good man uh yeah i uh i think if you're gonna go move jones also played terrence man before terrence man was terrence man that's a good point yes very true uh i think you gotta go harry stamper if you're gonna go Mufasa because he saved the entire planet. This is Bruce Willis. If you want Bruce Willis on there.

Sure. Him and Armageddon, right? Yeah. That's true. That's a massive sacrifice. He's the father of Earth in that movie. And he did it while saving his future son-in-law. It's true.

So my top three movie dads. Nobody would know that Ben Affleck would leave Tyler for a slew of other women. Yeah, he would have nuked the world if he had known. It's true. So my top three movie dads are Brian Mills. I think that's just such an easy one. That's Liam Neeson and Taken.

Sure. Can a dad do more for a kid? No. Well, I mean, not allowing the kidnap would probably be the first thing. He did't want, he did not want her to go. But he let her. His mom,

the mom really let her. He drove her to the airport. I don't know. Ah, terrible choice by you. All right, next. Don't allow him to kick in. Daniel Hillard, Robin Williams,

and Mrs. Doubtfire. That's my number two. That's a serious sacrifice. Yeah, it's a big dedication. Yep. But again, should have been a better husband when we got divorced. That's a serious sacrifice. It's a big dedication. Again, should have been a better husband when he got divorced. That's a great point. So far, you're over two. You can say the same about John McClane.

We saw the divorce. We saw the divorce happen to Mrs. Doubtfire. You don't know. She never got back together. She left to go to California for her career. She left him. I don't think they got divorced. I think they just separated, right? That's true. John and Holly just separated and then they got back together. She left to go to California for her career. She left him. I don't think they got divorced. I think they just separated, right? That's true.

Yeah. John and Holly just separated and then they got back together and then they divorced. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to say Daniel Hillard, worst husband. As it's not a husband of the century. But that's why they got divorced though. Worst husband.

Clark Griswold. I'm going to claim better father. Clark Griswold is number three. Oh, that's a good one. That's a very good one. That's a good one. All right. Let's see what the... But again,

if we want to nitpick here, different children with the same name. What kind of a father is he? He can't even keep track of his kids. He can't keep his own kids. All right, let's see. So far, John McClane's better than all three of yours. Thornton Mellon, that's a good one. Thornton Mellon is fantastic. Thornton Mellon is going.

Wayne Zielinski, that's Rick Moranis in Honey, I Shrunk the Kids. That's a good one. Thornton Mellon is fantastic. Thornton Mellon is going. Wayne Zielinski. That's Rick Moranis in Honey, I Shrunk the Kids. He shrunk his kids. How could it be good? They got back to normal size. He gave them a good adventure. Chris Gardner from Pursuit of Happiness. I've never seen that.

Oh, that's a great one. But again, made his kids sleep in the bathroom. That movie looks way too sad for me. No, it's a great movie. Oh, all right. Mr. Leven bathroom. That movie looks way too sad for me. No, it's a great movie. Oh, all right. Mr. Levenstein, that's American Pie. Eugene Levy. Very good dad.

Great eyebrows. Got to vote for Mufasa. Great eyebrows. Great eyebrows. Arthur Weasley from Harry Potter? I don't know. No idea. Yeah.

When I think of Weasley, I think of Ronald and his brothers. I don't think of the dad. The dad is, I do remember some parts where the dad came through but i don't know if that's the best dad was vito corleone a good father of course particularly good father although he got his son killed uh yeah right that's that's so good all right maybe that's kidnapped um kyle reese Kyle Reese. Is Kyle Reese the Terminator? Kyle Reese is the father of John Reese, of John Connor. Right, yeah. Kyle Reese was the one who went back to save Sarah Connor in the first one. Yeah, the first Terminator, right.

Okay, not bad. Let's see. But an absent father. Someone is at my front door right now. What's that all about? Someone's at my front door right now. Someone's at my front door when we started, too. And calling me.

Oh, okay. So I should probably go soon. So why don't you guys, let's do some news and notes. News and notes. What are we seeing about T. Higgins? Good stuff. A couple good reports. Brian Callahan, the offensive coordinator,

saying that T. Higgins is noticeably more explosive this summer. Yeah, we talked about this, I think, last week, about how he added muscle but lost weight. And so, good sign for hopefully him not losing targets and losing opportunities and still being a

special talent for the Bengals with the addition of Jamar Chase. He's going to end up being a great value pick, I think, for a lot of people because he's going to go as the second Bengals guy. As we said, Tyler Boyd's going to go probably being a great value pick, I think, for a lot of people because he's going to go as the second Bengals guy. As we said, Tyler Boyd's going to go probably as the third Bengals guy. So PPR is going to be fantastic. But Jamar Chase still has to learn the NFL.

T. Higgins has already got his foot in the door. And hopefully full offseason with Burrow, keep them still playing at a very high level. So I have no problem taking T. Higgins as a hopefully number three receiver. But if he's my number two guy, I'm fine with that. I agree. And I think you can make the case that he could be the Bengals best receiver by the end of the year. We don't know for sure that Jamar Chase is going to adapt completely to the NFL game. I would probably say the beginning of the year, more so than the end of the year, because I think Chase will have what typical rookies do, which is where they pick things up. So he could be the one that gets them off to the good start because of the rapport already established. I know obviously Chase has played with Burrow in college, but the offensive staff knows him the best. And so, you know,

Chase could, it could almost be like how Thielen and Jefferson were. Where Thielen still put up good numbers, but a lot of it was touchdown dependent. You know, Higgins might be the same type of guy. All right, guys. So We got really not much notes to get to, but we'll talk about it. I want to talk about the Broncos running backs, the Jaguars running backs. We'll talk about that on the Tuesday episode, which is our top five running backs. I want to thank Dave and Jamie, the best dads

in the fantasy football industry. Thanks to Ben Schrager, who will at some point be a great dad, I am sure. We will talk to you on Tuesday with our top five running backs. See you later. Are you a professional pillow fighter or a 9-to-5 low-cost time travel agent? Or maybe real estate sales on Mars is your profession.

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