Fantasy Football Today - Top 5 RBs! A lot of Debate After McCaffrey (06/22 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: June 22, 2021

Christian McCaffrey #1 is the easy call, but should he be drafted ahead of Patrick Mahomes in a 2-QB league? Is there any hesitation in putting Dalvin Cook at #2 (5:00)? We take a look at all of the c...andidates to finish in the Top 5 including Ezekiel Elliott, Aaron Jones and Austin Ekeler along with the usual names. Who has the most upside (8:00)? Who has the most downside (14;00)? What could go wrong with Alvin Kamara? ... The guys give RB3, RB4 and RB5 (20:24). Cook is not #2 in all formats according to Dave. What about Derrick Henry (31:00)? Do we have any concerns about him or are we willing to accept he is a cyborg? ... News and notes (44:00) as we look at the Jaguars and Broncos RB situations, and Jamey reads some funny tweets (49:00)! ... Your emails at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com Fantasy Football Today' is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Google Podcasts, Castbox, and wherever else you listen to podcasts. Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @ctowerscbs, @BenSchragg Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:21 Touchdown. Oh, he's done it again. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, Heath, and Beck. Top five week continues here on Fantasy Football Today. And a little follow-up from our movie dad's discussion from yesterday, but mostly we're all business here. We're all football. Christian McCaffrey's going to be number one.
Starting point is 00:01:43 We know that. We pretty much know who number two is going to be as well, but we'll talk about the top five and make some cases for players who are outside of the top five. Adam Azer with Dave Richard and Jamie Eisberg once again. Guys, what was an easier call for you, or were they equally easy? Patrick Mahomes as QB1 or Christian McCaffrey as RB1? They were equally easy.
Starting point is 00:02:02 If you're going to leave me that option, I'm taking it. McCaffrey was easier. He's so good. I want to say, I did some research on McCaffrey, and I've concluded that he's awesome. I hope that took you 30 seconds. Great research. 30 minutes.
Starting point is 00:02:22 Yeah, he's amazing. All right, so he's number one he's entrenched there even in non-ppr you have a favorite stat i'm on mccaffrey yeah i don't think i've done any notes on mccaffrey he does not require any notes but i think i said that he was at least 2.3 points better than any player in in any format that was like non-PPR last year? I don't know. I'll look it up. Let's see. Non-PPR last year.
Starting point is 00:02:49 See how much better he was than the rest. Do you think it's encouraging or discouraging that Mike Davis performed like he did? 3.4. Better than Dalvin Cook, who was number two. Do I think it's encouraging or discouraging? I think it's encouraging, right? I would agree, but I think
Starting point is 00:03:05 some people look at it as that the offense was allowing this player to perform at this level. Is it going to allow Christian McCaffrey to perform at that level too because it's a different offense? Remember, he didn't get a chance to play very much in this offense. But he was so good even last year. Yeah, he was pretty
Starting point is 00:03:21 good last year. Yeah, 20 carries a game and yeah, 24.4 points per game in non-ppr this thing people oh i'm gonna say henry over mcafree and non-ppr no don't do it mcafree's the best he's giving you at least 15 ppr points in 30 of his last 35 games that's a hit rate of 86 let's bump it up to 20 plus PPR points per game. He's done that 27 of his last 35 games. That's 77%.
Starting point is 00:03:49 And he happens to have done that in 25 of his last 29 overall. That's 86%. And he's similarly amazing in non-PPR. He is reaching the level that Zeke was at once upon a time. And, I mean, we should just rename it the McCaffrey level at this point, because he's so bewildering, amazing, exceptional.
Starting point is 00:04:11 He is the one-on-one and everything, but a two quarterback league. Well, that's the thing. Why not in a two quarterback league in 2019, he averaged 29.3. Okay. In any league in PPR is what I meant to say in 2019, he averaged 29.3 in any league. In PPR is what I meant to say.
Starting point is 00:04:25 In 2019, he averaged 29.3 points per game. In 2020, in only three games, but felt like sustainable, 30.1 points per game. So if he's going to average 29 points per game, it's hard to find quarterbacks who do that. So why not take him number one overall in any format, two quarterbacks, as long as it's ppr oh i'm okay with super flex because you technically don't have to go with two quarterbacks in a super flex league
Starting point is 00:04:50 and i feel like there is a little bit you're going with two quarters there it depends on the league scoring for the most part you should go with two but i feel like there's a little less pressure to get that second quarterback higher up in a super flex. But in a two-quarterback, I don't want to deal with the fragility of the running back position that McCaffrey proved last year. I'd be good to go with a stud quarterback, with Mahomes. Yeah, I'm taking McCaffrey number one, regardless.
Starting point is 00:05:16 There were only two quarterbacks last year in the year of the quarterback. Two quarterbacks that outscored per game 2019 McCaffrey in full PPR. And none of them scored 30 fantasy points per game in 2020. No quarterbacks, but McCaffrey did. So he might be the highest scoring player in PPR scoring. So, yeah, I understand a lot of people are going Mahomes, one overall.
Starting point is 00:05:42 Scott Fishbowl is super flexed, but it's four points per passing touchdown right right and half PPR half point for first half PPR and you get points for completion I take McCaffrey these these responses are so funny oh on the dad stuff so good here's my next question for you guys any doubts at all about Dalvin cook at number two? Uh, EPR. Yes. Uh, in any format. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:08 I mean, I think, you know, we've, uh, he should be number two, but, um,
Starting point is 00:06:13 let me look, Derek Henry was awesome. And if he gets any semblance of, uh, more involvement in the passing game, then he could be just, uh, an absolute monster.
Starting point is 00:06:23 Saquon Barkley. If he's back at a hundred percent, can be an absolute monster. Alvin Kamara, if he does get the focal point of the offense, could be fantastic. You know, so Dalvin is,
Starting point is 00:06:32 is, it should be the number two guy, but there's reason to question the guys behind him or compare him to the guys. Yeah. He actually outscored Henry and non PPR per game. So, and season long or just per game. Yeah. Just per game, not season long, right. Just per game. Cause, and season long or just per game?
Starting point is 00:06:46 Yeah, just per game. Not season long. Right. Just per game because he missed two games. That's actually... But Alvin outscored them both.
Starting point is 00:06:52 Who did? Kamara and PPR outscored them both. In full, yes. But in... Not in non-PPR. If you're going Henry versus Cook,
Starting point is 00:06:59 who do I take in just standard non-PPR old school? Dalvin Cook was actually better per game than Henry last year, with Henry rushing for 2,000 yards. That's wild.
Starting point is 00:07:09 Yeah, 1.3 points per game better. And I think injuries, right? I mean, I know every running back can get injured, but Cook, most games he's ever played is 14. How many times last year did he fake us out, right? Leave a game, look like he was out for a year, came back and tried later? His father passed away last year,
Starting point is 00:07:29 so that was... No, but I think I'm talking about in-game where it looks like he's hurt and he leaves and everybody gets really worried and then he comes back in and runs like he's, you know, just needed to, like,
Starting point is 00:07:38 charge his feet with his iPhone charger. Yeah, iFoot charger. All right, so that's obviously a concern. We'll see how much it all right. So that's obviously a concern. We'll see how much it matters to people. He's probably going to be the overall number two pick and drafts. Uh,
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Starting point is 00:08:57 Eric young will be drafting with us and we're giving away spots to the leagues to play against Dave and Jamie. That's tonight, 7. PM Eastern youtube.com slash fantasyfootballtoday. All right. Top five questions for running backs or questions for top five running backs is a better way to say it.
Starting point is 00:09:13 Who has the most upside outside of McCaffrey and Cook? Kamara. We've kind of seen it from him. I think that's good you know i kind of want to be you know snazzy and say jonathan taylor because i think he's got a shot at 2 000 total yards and a ton of touchdowns so i will taylor i mean listen you could say that about almost any henry has given us 2 000 total yards camara can do it. Kamara gives us a ton of touchdowns on top of it, lots of catches on top of it, so if it's PPR, it makes sense.
Starting point is 00:09:48 But I think Taylor's got a shot at 2,000 total yards and close to 15 touchdowns as well. Yeah, the other one for me would be Barkley just because what we saw from him as a rookie. If he's back to being that guy, then he's going to be better than maybe everybody, including McCaffrey. I would say for me it's Kamara Barkley Taylor why not Zeke Zeke's in that conversation too absolutely you know if he's uh you know all the reports are
Starting point is 00:10:13 fantastic um and we should probably say Aaron Jones also because if uh um Aaron Rodgers stays then you've seen what Aaron Jones can do so uh especially now with Jamal Williams gone if the passing game work increases for him, you know, that could be a superstar. So there, there's a handful of guys, you know,
Starting point is 00:10:29 but, but to your point about Zeke, you know, you gotta be concerned a little bit about Tony Pollard taking on more work. And, you know, was he really slowing down last season or was it just the offensive line and no deck and,
Starting point is 00:10:39 and just that being the, the reason why things fell apart for him. So, you know, I, I like what I like what I've heard about Zeke, and, you know, he's still young enough and certainly talented enough in a great offense that he should be a star again, but I wouldn't be surprised if Tony Pollard's role increases just a little bit just to save some of Zeke's legs, and maybe if they make it to the postseason,
Starting point is 00:10:59 that they want to make sure he's 100% by the time they get there. Is that the end of the list? I mean, we could sit here and make the case for Chubb or Eckler or even Najee. Mix it. Right. There's a difference between making the case but actually believing it.
Starting point is 00:11:15 Are there any other running backs that you really believe has a shot at 2,000 total yards? There's only one other one that I think has it, but I don't know if the touchdowns will be there. Edwards Hilaire is interesting. Based on what his upside can be in this offense, now that there's really little competition. Um, I think Antonio Gibson's interesting, you know, based on what his opportunity could be in the Washington offense, but look, there's a reason why those guys are being drafted at the back end of the first round,
Starting point is 00:11:43 beginning of the second round, what we have them ranked or they are, where they're ranked. I mean, if you were to tell me JK Dobbins is going to be a 50 cash guy, he'd be top three running back, you know? So we just know that's not going to happen. So there there's,
Starting point is 00:11:54 there's a lot of flaws for these other guys, but the ones that we're talking about have the, the ceiling higher than everybody else. Eckler Stan, you want to talk about 2,000 total yards? Mm-hmm. And you're talking about 17 games? Sure.
Starting point is 00:12:12 Yeah, I think Eckler could get there. I think he has massive upside if he could just get some touchdowns. And I did bring this up last week, but in his four games without Melvin Gordon to start the 2019 season, he was on pace for, let's see, 1,960 total yards, 96 catches, and 24 touchdowns. 12 rushing, 12 receiving.
Starting point is 00:12:35 That would be good. Yeah. That would be good. So the only reason I bring that up is because those are four games. He had six touchdowns in those four games. They may not be completely afraid of using him near the goal line. You don't know what this coaching staff is going to do. It's a new coaching staff.
Starting point is 00:12:49 That's a better offensive line. You saw how much he was catching passes from Herbert when he came back from his injury. There's just a lot to love about Austin. This podcast that I did with Fantasy Pros, we were talking about it off the air with Joe Pisapia and Kyle Yates, I had the 12th pick.
Starting point is 00:13:08 And it's an exercise that they do with their draft software. So the three of us draft, and then the draft software picks the rest of the teams. And I was left with a choice of Austin Eckler and Aaron Jones at 12. I took Tyree Kill with the first pick. And it was frustrating because I love both of those guys. And I considered taking both, but I thought just taking the best receiver on the board, Devante Adams had already gone was a little bit more, made a little bit more sense. Um, but in any event, I think Eckler is somebody that I draft a lot of, and I'm going to continue
Starting point is 00:13:40 to draft a lot of, because if he hits to that level, 24 touchdowns notwithstanding, he could be a double-digit touchdown guy with the chance for challenging to be in the top three. I don't think if everybody's healthy, he's going to lead running backs and receptions, but he could be in the top three. And last year, the top three, the top two, were Alvin Kamara and J.D. McKissick. So you don't necessarily have to be a featured guy
Starting point is 00:14:03 to be a leader in receptions, but he has that type of upside. And if you catch those, as many passes he can catch, you're going to be a pretty good running back based on the role that you should have. I tried to, well, you know, I'll get into this a little bit later. I tried to, I'm tempting to answer who should number two or number three be if we're going McCaffrey Cook. I compared points per game over the last really five seasons for Zeke, Camara, Barkley, and Henry.
Starting point is 00:14:28 And I'll tell you what the comparison looks like. It wasn't, it wasn't like I was averaging them out. I mean, I'm only using the last two years for Henry. I'm only using two years basically for Barkley and mostly just focusing on one year to see his upside, but it's five years for Zeke.
Starting point is 00:14:42 It's four years for Camara. It's two years for Henry and it's one or two for Barkley. So I'll tell you what those numbers look like in a little bit. And Jamie, your first answer was Kamara. So let me just, when I asked you who has the most upside outside of McCaffrey and Cook, you said Kamara. Dave settled on Taylor. Let me just ask you this about Kamara. Just for fun. I mean, I've got Kamara ranked third, so. Right. Let me just ask you this about Kamara, though. How much harder is that question to answer without Drew Brees? And how much should we be factoring that in?
Starting point is 00:15:13 You got to factor it in. I'm waiting for the next question, which is who has the most downside, because it's Kamara. Okay, then let's transition. Who has the most downside among the top? I put top six running backs. It's Kamara without an injury, because, again, there's a change. While there's a change in coordinator for Henry, there's a change in coordinator essentially for Dalvin Cook. There's health to factor in with Christian McCaffrey after what you saw a year ago,
Starting point is 00:15:34 but you mean we saw, you know, Taysom Hill is not going to throw the ball to Alvin Kamara to the same level. I don't think it's going to be as bad as it was at the start of the games that Taysom Hill started. but I also think you have to factor in that there is a mobile quarterback back there compared to a statue back there and that's going to be different it's the same thing with Saquon Barkley he's not going to catch 90 passes like he did for Eli Manning as a rookie you're probably hoping for 60 with Daniel Jones and I think that's realistic but I think Alvin Kamara and this offense will have a lot more design passes because of the coach and I think after a off season, if Taysom Hill is the starter,
Starting point is 00:16:08 he will lean on him in that regard. I also think Alvin Kamara is going to run the ball more than he ever has before because of the change in quarterback, because Drew Brees isn't going to trust Jameis Winston or Taysom Hill as much as he trusts Alvin Kamara and essentially Latavius Murray, which is why Latavius Murray should be on your radar as a sleeper, even without an injury to Alvin Kamara. So, but still, you know, what you're counting on for him is 80 catches. He does
Starting point is 00:16:30 that every year when he's healthy. And if he's going to be an 80 catch guy, then he should be the third best running back. But if he's not going to be an 80 catch guy, he's probably any closer to six or seven. How nervous are you guys about him? You know, when you just look at, yeah, 80 catches, 80 plus catches every year, but you look at 2019 when he scored six total touchdowns, he was hurt. He was hurt.
Starting point is 00:16:52 Yeah, he was hurt. He was hurt. But per game, he was 14th in non-PPR and he was eighth in full PPR. And touchdowns were a big reason for that because he still averaged, I think, like 4.6, 4.7 yards per carry.
Starting point is 00:17:03 It's not like he played poorly. And the reason I bring, 4.6, 4.7 yards per carry. It's not like he played poorly. And the reason I bring up the touchdowns is he doesn't unlike the other running backs in this range, he is not a goal line guy. He has never had more than 53% of his team's carries inside the five-yard line. Sometimes
Starting point is 00:17:19 that's Latavius Murray. Sometimes that's Taysom Hill. But he's not the de facto goal line guy on his team. And if their offense just isn't as good and there aren't as many touchdowns, we've already seen what that looks like for Alvin Kamara. And it's not worthy of the third overall pick in either format. No, when you put it that way, but we've also seen him play well with other quarterbacks. He played well with Bridgewater two years ago. He scored three touchdowns in four games with Taysom Hill last year.
Starting point is 00:17:54 He just wasn't catching the ball a lot. And I lean with Jamie on this one. You mean to tell me that just because they're changing the quarterback, they're going to completely get amnesia over Alvin Kamara and what he could possibly do i i don't see that happening i went back and i checked to see just how many targets and catches he had in his career from non-drew brees quarterbacks he's got 42 catches 338 yards and one touchdown it's a 78 catch rate it's eight yards per catch in about 10 games so i think it's
Starting point is 00:18:23 very wise to say that there will be some sort of a decline, and it could be in the neighborhood of four to five catches per game, but that's still going to be really close to 80 catches. Right, that's still... Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait. Sorry.
Starting point is 00:18:36 Maybe it's not a decline at all. It made it sound like the decline was four to five fewer catches per game. No, no, no. That's how many total he'll have per game. Which, I mean, I don't have the number of how many total he'll have per game which i mean i don't have the number of how many he was averaging before but it's got to be really close to 81 to 83 that's where he was at each of the last four years right so i'm not also i'm not particularly worried
Starting point is 00:18:53 about that the touchdown issue kind of sticks a little bit more just because of tasem hill stealing some latavia stealing some it's also when when looking at it, though, it's like, you know, you brought this up a lot, Adam, last year. The Broncos game where Taysom Hill started when it was Kendall Hinton starting a quarterback for Denver, they didn't throw the ball very much. That turned into a Latavius game. Well, you just throw that game out. I mean, you know, and it's just hard to, I mean,
Starting point is 00:19:19 he averaged five yards a carry in that game, you know, so it didn't have to do very much. The Falcons game, which is the first one that T carry in that game, you know, so it didn't have to do very much. The Falcons game and the Broncos, the Falcons game, which is the first one that Taysom Hill started, they won 24-9, you know, so how competitive was it where they,
Starting point is 00:19:33 you know, needed Alvin Kamara? And then you go to the Eagles game, which is the fourth game that Taysom Hill started. He had seven catches in that one. And they were taking a long second. They lost. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:43 Well, but if you're going to tell me that every game they win or every game that they win easily, he's going to be bad. And again, that's like, you know. But that's with, you know, Sean Payton tinkering things on the fly. You know, it was Taysom Hill being the quarterback on the fly. And you also, and I'm with you. You know, it's nerve wracking.
Starting point is 00:20:00 But at the same time, okay, he's now four games in as a starter. Did he feel fully comfortable with the offense and using Kamara more as a pass catcher? Look, I had the number three pick last week. I took Kamara. Like I said, when we did the show afterwards, I was like, I'm not going to overthink this. You also had the wrong format.
Starting point is 00:20:16 Yeah, it was half PPR. I thought it was full PPR because it was last year, same league. I still would take him third overall. I'm not going to overthink it you know what he's incredible he's a great great player behind an excellent offensive line if they don't make him the focal point of the offense they're screwing up let's just not overthink it uh dave so that was jamie's answer who has the most downside among the top six running backs what would you say i'd say saquon is up there as someone that's got some significant downside
Starting point is 00:20:44 the offensive line you mentioned it being a big strength for Alvin Kamara. I think it's a huge weakness for Saquon Barkley. And the play calling in New York was kind of uninspiring last year. I know that they got some good numbers out of Wayne Gallman, but I'm nervous about that offense in general, Adam. I'm not doing this to pick on you or to turn this into the New York Gi giants talk show but i i think there's some significant downside for a guy coming off of a major knee injury playing behind a bad offensive line and with a suspect quarterback who seems to be especially affected by a bad offensive line and especially on a team that added talent in
Starting point is 00:21:18 the passing game so i'm a little nervous to take saquon barkley i want him to fall to five at the absolute the soonest i will take him is at five all right well let's get into your rankings then I'm a little nervous to take Saquon Barkley. I want him to fall to five at the absolute. The soonest I will take him is at five. All right, well, let's get into your rankings then. One, McCaffrey. Two, Cook. Who's number three? To me, it's format dependent.
Starting point is 00:21:35 I like Kamara third in PPR and half PPR. And I like Derrick Henry second in non-PPR. Cook would be third. Okay, so Henry and non. Oh, Henry second? Henry is second for me in non-PPR. Cook would be third. Okay, so Henry and non, and oh, Henry second? Henry is second for me in non-PPR. Whoa, Dave. What's wrong with that? Nothing, but I did say Cook was significantly better per game than Taylor Lash.
Starting point is 00:21:58 I know. I know what you said. And you, you know, you even gave me numbers. I think Henry could see his efficiency go up even more now that Julio's there there and maybe there's a plan for them to take some touches off of him but you know we talk about derrick henry having 400 touches in consecutive seasons i think cook has it's either 350 or like 340 touches each of the last two seasons so it's not as much as henry but it's still a lot so let me get this straight i here. I still feel like Henry is the better bet in non-PPR because I
Starting point is 00:22:27 don't see the catches going crazy for Derek Henry. Cook's got an edge on him there. They'll both score a lot of touchdowns, but I like Henry better. Okay, so in non-PPR, you go McCaffrey, Henry, Cook? Correct. And in half or full, you go McCaffrey, Cook, Kamara? Correct. Okay, Jamie,
Starting point is 00:22:43 what about you? In full PPR, it go McCaffrey, Cook, Kamara? Correct. Okay, Jamie, what about you? In full PPR, it is McCaffrey, Cook, Kamara, Henry, Barkley. In non or half PPR, it is McCaffrey, Cook, Henry, Kamara, Barkley. So Henry ahead of Kamara in non or half PPR? Yes. Okay. So why? Why in half PPR?
Starting point is 00:23:11 I think that Derrick Henry once again can lead the NFL in rushing. I think he's going to have a chance for 1,800 plus rushing yards again, 15 plus touchdowns again. I think that he's going to be a little bit more involved in the passing game, but not by anything that's going to overwhelm you. The concerns that I brought up with Kamara in anything where you're not getting a full point per catch,
Starting point is 00:23:33 I think, warrants consideration. What if those catches go down considerably? What if he only gets 55 catches? If Breeze were still quarterbacking, would you have Kamara third in half PBR? In half, yes. In non, no. Okay.
Starting point is 00:23:48 Because, yeah, the numbers the last few years, here's what Kamara has averaged per game in half PPR last three seasons. 20.5, 15, that was his bad year, and 22.4. So 20.5, 15, and 22.4. Here's what Henry has averaged the last two seasons in half PPR. 19.4 and 20.4. So at his best, Kamara has been two full points better than Henry at his best in half PPR.
Starting point is 00:24:24 Three years ago, Kamara was at 20.5 points per game, and last year, Henry was at 20.4 points per game. So in that sense, they're very similar. You did see more downside, though, from Camara. But at his best, Camara has been better in half PPR than Derrick Henry. It's interesting when you take a look at these offenses, because I think most people, when you first say it, would say, oh, the Saints. But which team has the better offense right now? have titans titans right and it's uh number one
Starting point is 00:24:51 receiver yep comparable well certainly number two receiver number two receiver quarterback you're gonna give the edge of the tight quarterback well potentially but i think most people give the edge to the titans and uh running back is kind of a wash. Yeah. They're just so different. They're so different. Yeah. All right.
Starting point is 00:25:10 Number four running back is... Henry. For me, it's Henry in full PPR and half PPR. Or not half PPR. I think we're the same one through four in PPR. One through five in PPR. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:23 Henry's four for me in half PPR as well. Then a non-Pr let me check make sure it's camara it's ppr in non-ppr i have taylor over barkley all right so we're looking at mcafree one everywhere we're looking at two through four depending on format is some combination of cook henry camara and then five is saquon barkley for dave and jonathan You said Jonathan Taylor. Yes. Okay. All right.
Starting point is 00:26:08 And I'm not PPR, but in non PPR, you like, I'm almost at the point of putting Zeke ahead of Barkley as well. It's a tough choices to make, huh? Why not? And why not Aaron Jones?
Starting point is 00:26:19 It's been top five, two straight years. You tell me for sure that Aaron Rogers is there. Then Aaron Jones will probably be in my top five. How about you, Dave? I don't think he'll be top five. There's still a lot of ifs to play out. If Saquon Barkley is healthy and if he's ready to go for the start of the season with no limitations, if Aaron Rodgers is the quarterback,
Starting point is 00:26:40 if Tony Pollard doesn't take away more work than he has in the past if jonathan taylor just completely turns marlon mack into a bench roll guy a two touch per game guy this is where the ifs are coming in i think jamie talked about this these are some of the like minor nitpicks that we've got to put on some of these guys right and and and jones you know like you said or like i said before you know he could easily pick up or like I said before, you know, he could easily pick up those. I think it's 31 catches that, that Jamal Williams left, you know, by going to Detroit, but how much does he lose from AJ Dillon and how much as a rusher, you know, how much does he lose
Starting point is 00:27:15 a goal line opportunity? I mean, he scored 25 touchdowns the last two seasons, you know, and, and, and obviously when you look at the two, one's five, eight and one's five 11, you know, and it's a, one's got quads that are bigger than the other guy's body. So it's kind of hard to say that Aaron Jones keeps all those chances. And Dylan, maybe if he gets the hot hand and starts to get rolling in a couple of games, then they use Jones more in the Williams role completely for that game specifically. And then you're just looking at a guy that is going to be A, touchdown dependent,
Starting point is 00:27:44 B, reception dependent. And how much of that will be contingent on who's the quarterback, you know, for that particular game. Cause Aaron Rogers can still be the quarterback for the Packers, but he may not show up until whatever day he's got to show up to accrue the amount of games he has to keep the season. So he can get out of there sooner than he wants to. I think this is interesting information just along those lines of Jones and Dylan and what role they might play last year. Aaron Jones on carries of three yards or closer 18 for 34 that's anywhere on the field if you get near the goal line it's three for eight so he wasn't exactly money every single time he was up against the goal what's the league average or in short yardage most of these running backs
Starting point is 00:28:19 I'm finding is are close to 60 percent if not significantly over 60 percent that's that's that's bad right now I I haven't done I haven't finalized the study yet but there's some running backs I close to 60%, if not significantly over 60%. That's bad. Right now, I haven't finalized the study yet, but there's some running backs I haven't gotten to, but it's not great. And look, they have a new center. They have a new center. They have a left tackle that's coming back from significant injury.
Starting point is 00:28:36 Reports are he's going to be fine. So there's reason to have some flaws with Aaron Jones, but I think, again, for what he's accomplished for the last two seasons under Matt LaFleur, it's tough to overlook. Fantastic. And, and again, you know, if they, they ran it back for a reason from a front office standpoint, they thought that they're going to be a Superbowl contender, you know, NFC championship game, each of the last two seasons, they feel like their defense is better. So if Aaron Rogers comes to his senses and says he wants to play for the Packers, and that's something that is going to make him comfortable,
Starting point is 00:29:04 then you got to be excited about Aaron Jones. I have Aaron Jones in a keeper league with a third-round value. I'm ecstatic about that if Aaron Rodgers is the quarterback. I'm still loving it if Aaron Rodgers is not the quarterback, but not as much. Yeah, and look, you mentioned their front office. Their front office has had a really good offseason, so everything's gone very smoothly. Some members of their front office.
Starting point is 00:29:26 As far as Ezekiel Elliott goes, I want you all to know, here's where he's been per game in five seasons. And this is, let's take last year and let's just take the Dak Prescott games. He's been top. You shouldn't evaluate the Cowboys
Starting point is 00:29:40 based on the non-Dak Prescott games? I mean, look, I think there are reasons to be concerned. He was pretty disappointing without Dak, but that offensive line was also one of the worst in football. I hate to say this, but I think he quit.
Starting point is 00:29:56 I think he quit. Why am I going to burn myself out for this? Well, they were in the playoff race, if you recall. Yeah, but I mean, again, I'm totally speculating. I have no idea. I didn't speak to anybody about this. This is just, you know,
Starting point is 00:30:07 watching him. Like he just didn't look like he wanted to be there. He was playing on purpose. He was playing hurt for him. Can you blame him? No, I wouldn't. Yes.
Starting point is 00:30:16 If that's the case. Yes. I would blame him for not playing hard. Yeah. I mean, you're paid to play hard, but the numbers suggest like this isn't going to surprise anybody. 106.7 total yards per game with Dak.
Starting point is 00:30:27 79 total yards per game without Dak. But it was basically like, we're going to kill you. Right, right, right. You have no line and no quarterback. Right. So it would be interesting to go back and watch. And I can do this. I've got the time to do this.
Starting point is 00:30:37 To see just how often he was fighting for yardage and trying to make an impromptu play. Something like that. Versus, I'm about to get hit. I'm going to go down and preserve my body. It's an interesting theory. I won't go through all the per-game numbers. Obviously, he's been elite. He's been top six every year per game when Dak Prescott
Starting point is 00:30:56 has played. But the problem is that people are noticing that he may not be the same player anymore. In the last two seasons, he's averaging a 20-yard carry, 20 or more yards, once every 78 carries. In his first three seasons,
Starting point is 00:31:12 it was once every 29 carries. But even with that, two years ago, he wasn't getting big plays, and he was a top five running back per game. So he catches the ball. Their offense is really good. Their offensive line is, PFF has them as like number seven,
Starting point is 00:31:29 top five, maybe. I don't know. They're up there, but that's presuming they stay healthy. I think they were top seven at worst. So when they're healthy, they've got a good,
Starting point is 00:31:37 good front five. They got in Secchi to be their swing tackle. I think that's a plus. This is why you draft Tony Pollard. This is why you draft Gus Edwards. This is why you draft Tony Pollard. This is why you draft Gus Edwards. This is why you draft Daryl Henderson. Throw AJ Dillon in there. And Latavius Murray and AJ Dillon
Starting point is 00:31:51 because these guys are in good offenses that if they ever get the chance to be the featured guy, we saw with Tony Pollard last year, if he has a chance to be the featured guy, he could be awesome. And so, you know, Zeke should still dominate touches.
Starting point is 00:32:03 I mean, he's going to be at least a 70% touch guy. There's no doubt about that based on how they've operated in the past. But it may not be a 90% touch guy like we've seen when things have been going right for him. Because, again, I think they want to preserve him. They also realize that Pollard can be a good running back if given the chance. Tough schedule, too. We basically have covered the top five.
Starting point is 00:32:22 Let me ask you this. I know that the three of us, to varying degrees, just kind of uneasy about spending a very high pick on a guy who's had so much work like Derrick Henry. Are we still feeling that uneasiness or have we just moved past it? I'm resigned to the fact that Derrick Henry is like the Terminator. And it doesn't matter how hard you hit him. He's just going to come right back up and plow into your defense for 10 yards on the next carry and 20 yards on the carry after that. He is a machine. He told us in person at the Super Bowl two years ago when we said, how are you feeling? He was like, I feel great.
Starting point is 00:33:00 I could play another 16 games right now. That was in February after the year ended. And then he went out there and he did it so he's he's an anomaly man he's just he's and if you sit next to him you see it i mean he's built like a linebacker he's unbelievable so i give him the benefit of the doubt i'm not worried about the workload on him okay i've asked former players i can remember, he's jumping onto giant boxes with chains around his arms and alligators eating his kneecaps. They've got Lions helmets on. He's doing these incredible training.
Starting point is 00:33:34 He's got this unbelievable training regimen. Yeah. I was going to say, I've asked former players. I remember specifically DeMarco Murray, I asked him about having that kind of workload and if it affects you the next season. And I can't remember the other ones I've asked, but every time I've asked someone, they've said no.
Starting point is 00:33:50 But the funny thing is the numbers suggest that those seasons do usually take a toll, but it could just be coincidental. But these players, like, no, they just want the ball. All right. Anything else, guys? About the top five running backs? Yeah. I mean, I can give you a dark horse for the top five top five finisher i mean it's a guy you're gonna take in round two but i think cam acres has a shot at 2 000 total yards he projected for he paced for that much based on
Starting point is 00:34:17 his last six games including the playoffs and i don't know how many catches he's gonna have i think he'd be lucky to have north of 45 in a 17-game season. But I think he will also benefit greatly from having Matthew Stafford under center in L.A. He's so polarizing because, I mean, he did that without doing anything in the beginning of the season. He got beat up. Yeah, and is he going to get beat up again?
Starting point is 00:34:42 I mean, that's the concern. It's why I said Daryl Henderson, you know, it's a, it's another scenario of if the guy who has the chance goes down, then the backup guy could be great. And Daryl Henderson, look, he wasn't as efficient or as prolific as acres was, but he got that work at the beginning of the season. You know, he was getting, you know, double digit carries. He wasn't working as much in the passing game, but at that point when acres was doing it, Henderson wasn't around. At least acres was around when Henderson was doing his, you know, he was getting, you know, double digit carries. He wasn't working as much in the passing game. But at that point, when Akers was doing it, Henderson wasn't around.
Starting point is 00:35:06 At least Akers was around when Henderson was doing his, you know, big numbers at the start of the season. So it's yeah, I mean, Akers could easily do that, you know, and I spoke to him last week, you know, and he was as excited as anybody you could talk to to get the chance to, you know, build off what he did at the end of the season. But the two playoff games, which is what a lot of people look at, Henderson didn't play in those games. And so can he be that featured guy without somebody else being there? And the nice thing is Malcolm Brown's gone. The downside is, is do they like Henderson enough that he's going to be too much of a factor to ruin what Akers can be?
Starting point is 00:35:38 Akers had 11 catches in 14 games. That's going to stand out to people. But he had 30 catches his junior year at Florida State. He can catch the ball. Matthew Stafford, with the Lions, different coaches, different coordinators,
Starting point is 00:35:51 he has had a, he had, well, Detroit, let me say this, has had a 50-catch running back seven of the last nine seasons. And they've had two other instances where Reggie Bush once,
Starting point is 00:36:01 Kerryon Johnson once, have been on pace for 50. So he throws to his running backs and Akers can do it. And they've talked about him. They've talked about using him as a receiver. They've talked about getting him involved in the passing game.
Starting point is 00:36:12 I almost feel a little bit better about him improving his receiving numbers than J.K. Dobbins. I do. Yeah, I agree. I think you have to. But I asked him about that and he said that that's something
Starting point is 00:36:22 that he's hoping is going to come to fruition. That they're going to actually use him more in that because he did, you know, that that's something that he's hoping is going to come to fruition. You know, that they're going to actually use him more in that because he did it for state too. Yeah. And we've seen the Rams do it before. I mean, it was with girly back when girly was amazing.
Starting point is 00:36:33 He caught a ton of football. So I think it's, I think it's possible. Maybe he can't get to 50 catches in 17 games. The question is you can like cam acres all you want. Are you really taking him over DeAndre Hopkins or Stefan Diggs? I guess you could try to take both. If I want to lock up that running back spot.
Starting point is 00:36:50 Yeah. That just feels like very risky drafting to me. It's a risk. Huge risk. Huge risk. Probably. Okay. But what's the drop-off at receiver by the time you're up again
Starting point is 00:37:02 in the middle of late round three? I actually think it's fairly significant. Okay at receiver by the time you're up again in the middle of round three? I actually think it's fairly significant. Okay. Well, what do you think? I mean, you might be able to get like... No, I don't think it's... It could be a couple of points a week, which is significant, I guess, but...
Starting point is 00:37:14 I know I'm going to find a receiver. Yeah, I know I'm going to get a receiver that I'm totally fine starting in round three and four. The question becomes, would you rather have Akers and CeeDee Lamb or would you rather have Hopkins and Mike CeeDee Lamb, or would you rather have Hopkins and Mike Davis? No, no, no. He'll be a little better than Mike Davis.
Starting point is 00:37:30 Okay, Hopkins and David Montgomery. Well, I'll tell you what, if it's Chris Carson, then... Don't say it. Is that not different? Because I like Carson better than Mike Davis. It could be. I mean, you're taking that risk. Maybe CeeDee Lamb's probably not the best example because you're talking about two guys that are somewhat –
Starting point is 00:37:49 Could it be Robert Woods or Allen Robinson? Or Amari Cooper. You know, if you're taking what Akers could be plus what Amari Cooper has been versus what David Montgomery was last year or Chris Carson was when he's been healthy and DeAndre Hopkins. I mean, I think a lot of people would probably take the latter. What would you guys do?
Starting point is 00:38:07 Let's look at it. I would take the former. I forgot. I don't know which one. Akers first. All right, so the running backs going... Akers and then Cooper, Woods, Allen Robinson, one of those guys,
Starting point is 00:38:19 or Hopkins slash Diggs in round two, and then Montgomery or Carson in round three. I'm taking the guy that's got the best shot at 2,000 total yards. Well, yeah, wide receiver's not going to do that. No, these wide receivers that we're talking about are in the 1,300-yard, 100-catch range. Who?
Starting point is 00:38:39 Diggs and Hopkins. Are you not selling them short on their yards a little bit? Here we're talking 17 games. I think they'd get to 1,500 yards. I would say 1 We're talking 17 games. I think they get to 1500 yards. I would say 1500. Okay. If they're right. Sure.
Starting point is 00:38:49 When you combine yards and more than makes up for that. Well, yeah, when you combine yards and touchdowns and which position do you want to, you know, lock up first and this is sky high. This is the ceiling for everybody. When you,
Starting point is 00:39:01 maybe it's more reasonable to say that the receiver can hit that. It's more reasonable to say that the receiver can hit that. It's more reasonable to say that one of these receivers can get you 1,500 yards and 10 touchdowns and 100 catches versus Cam Akers getting 2,000 total.
Starting point is 00:39:13 That's my point. Well, I think the thing is, though, you control your own destiny a little bit more because you can take one of these running backs in the range that you know you're going to get them,
Starting point is 00:39:23 whereas you have to hope to get a Carson or Montgomery if they're still there with somebody else doesn't snipe you and then you're settling for a Mike Davis or a Chase Edmonds as opposed to you know there's that large group of wide receivers whether it it's the unproven CeeDee Lamb or Jamar Chase or whatever guy you're gonna you know throw in that range or it's the Robert Woods or Alan Robinson or Mike Evans or Chris Godwin or those guys and you're pairing them with what those running backs in the hope that they can be. There's obviously more risk with the running backs. That's always going to be the case.
Starting point is 00:39:52 Yeah. I find it funny that acres. I understand that Jonathan Taylor was destined to be everybody's favorite year two running back. Totally makes sense. I find it interesting that acres has just become number two. You know? Does anybody
Starting point is 00:40:07 have a different running back ranked ahead? I think Heath has Swift ahead of Akers in PPR. I have the rankings up, I can tell you. In PPR? Yeah. In PPR, Heath has... I mean, I've got Najee ahead of Swift. I've got Antonio Gibson ahead of Swift. And PPR. Oh, ahead of Swift. I've got Antonio Gibson ahead of Swift.
Starting point is 00:40:25 And P.E.R. Oh, ahead of Swift. I'm sorry, I'm in the top two. Heath has... Well, anyway, I just think it's interesting that people are so... Heath has no acres ahead of Swift. It was interesting, though. Again, this Fantasy Pros podcast that I did,
Starting point is 00:40:43 Swift fell to the third round. Yeah. So Kyle Yates, one of the analysts on Fantasy Pros, he took Chris Carson ahead of Swift, and he said he's concerned about the offense being bad, Jared Goff being bad, Jamal Williams being a problem in the passing game for Swift, and brought up a lot of the concerns that I think a lot of people have,
Starting point is 00:41:04 on top of the fact that they still may sign Todd Gurley, who they brought in for, um, you know, to, to work out. So if in fact there's a, another mouth to feed there, you know, Swift could be a little bit of a, a risk, but you know, he, you know, was on pace for over 50 catches last year. We saw the touchdowns. We saw what he was able to do once they finally let him be the lead running back there. So there's a lot to like about him, but I could see Gibson being better. I mean, look, there's this group, and I just finished writing a story for our magazine about this group. This group has bus potential written all over it. I mean, you know, from Taylor with, as Dave said, Marlon Mack and Naeem Hines being on passing downs. And look, the schedule was great for Taylor down the stretch, but now there's a, there's, there's a volatile quarterback as opposed to a calming presence of quarterback. And you know, what happens if Carson Wentz stinks again,
Starting point is 00:41:49 acres, we know we, we just brought up, you know, Adam, you said the reception total. And if Henderson is there, Gibson is still trying to work his way into learning the running back
Starting point is 00:41:56 position. And they have a guy who can catch passes. Clyde Edwards, a layer was, was a bust in the second half of the season when they brought somebody else in who says, who's to say they don't bring somebody else in. Davos doesn't catch the ball, at least as of now.
Starting point is 00:42:07 You know, so you can see the bust potential for that group. And it's going to be the group, I think, that decides fantasy in a lot of ways. 100%. I was about to say that. Yep. And, you know, like I did some research on this, like just looking at comparative classes. The only one that comes close in the last 10 years is the 2017 class, which was Fournette, McCaffrey, Aaron Jones, Kamara.
Starting point is 00:42:28 Was that the Cook-Mixon or no? No. No, that might have been. I don't know. Let me find it. I thought it was. It was that group, and that group continues to produce. But in terms of what they did as rookies and sophomores.
Starting point is 00:42:46 Yeah, they are. I mean, they're all being drafted so early, these sophomore running backs. They're going to have a huge impact on fantasy outcomes. Let's see, running backs in 2017. Yeah, 2017 draft did have Cook. Right. Fournette, McCaffrey, Cook, Mixon, Kamara, Kareem Hunt.
Starting point is 00:43:00 Holy cow. Deontay Foreman, James Conner. You had Samaj P. Ryan, T cohen jamal williams marlon mack later aaron as rookies as rookies i just did the ones that finished in the top 20 uh fournette was eight year two he was 12 this is ppr and points per game mccaffrey was 15 he was three in his uh second year uh cook even though he played four games was number nine he was 18 his second year injuries were a problem obviously for played four games, was number nine. He was 18 his second year. Injuries were a problem, obviously, for both those years.
Starting point is 00:43:27 Camaro was four and four both seasons. Hunt was five and eight, and that was 11 games the next year. But that also had James Conner as well in that class. You'd have to say they were pretty successful as your two backs. That's the best class that I've seen. Again, I just went back to 2010 and looking at that. What I did was I looked at the running backs drafted in the first three rounds, guys that finished in the top, I'm sorry, I did top 30 in points per game and how they did the
Starting point is 00:43:55 following season. But that's the only group that had guys that finished in both categories multiple year over year, as many as that group did. So this group can be good and they didn't have as many finished in the top 30 points per game. You know, Cam Akers was a disaster in terms of his overall points because he was so bad in the beginning, and he didn't exactly miss a lot of time. Right, right. Okay. We're going to take a break, do some news and notes when we come back,
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Starting point is 00:45:10 Visit OntarioOneCall.ca. It's free. It's easy. It's the law. Data sourced from the ORCGA 2023 Dirt Report. All right, news and notes. So I wanted to ask you guys about the Jaguars running back situation. You know, when you talk about
Starting point is 00:45:26 who should be the second best rookie running back, let's just take the guy who was consistent from week one all season long, basically, James Robinson. No, but it does seem like
Starting point is 00:45:35 Robinson's going to have a nice role. So give me your thoughts on Jacksonville situation and also Vic Fangio, the Broncos head coach. He even talked about Mike Boone being part of the
Starting point is 00:45:43 running back conversation. I don't know if you put any stock into that. Dave, give me your thoughts on Jacksonville. Robinson's kind of climbing up my board a little bit. As someone who I'm okay taking, maybe even as high as round seven. He's not going there. That's the problem.
Starting point is 00:45:58 Where's he going? Yeah, that's too early. Right. Maybe I'm just behind the curve on this, and maybe eventually I'll, I'll warm up to that ADP. I don't think so. I think,
Starting point is 00:46:08 I think you're no, to me, round seven is right. Like I'd say round six. I mean, there was a point where we were talking about like around nine and round 10 from where we were just leaving them on the side of the road. But yeah,
Starting point is 00:46:17 it, I, I, first off training camp is going to be big for that team and whatever they show us in any preseason action, because if they use ETN strictly as a receiver, then round five may be too low. He might be a round three guy based on what he showed us last year.
Starting point is 00:46:31 But if they are going to use ETN like they should, which is using them both in the backfield, Robinson should still be very good. It's just he's not going to obviously come close to what he did last year when he was averaging three and a half catches per game. He had 49 catches on the season, but he missed the final three games of the year. He was awesome. He was absolutely absolutely fantastic and it's funny because i spoke to him for this magazine story and uh the one of the pr guys for the jaguars asked me oh is
Starting point is 00:46:53 this going to be like uh like a he wants to know is this going to be like a rank list and i said no it's not going to be a rank list of the second year running backs i'm just doing a story on it but when you rank him in this group, he's behind the top six. You know, there are six standout guys that are going in the first 26 overall picks based on NFC from May through June. And he's the next guy, you know. But is he closer to that group or is he closer to, let's say, Zach Moss and A.J. Dillon, who are the next two? Dillon's actually going ahead of Moss, you know, depending on how you feel about Zach Moss, but you know,
Starting point is 00:47:26 which, which group is he closer to? Is he closer to the superstars or is he closer to the maybes? And Dillon is a different maybe than Moss because Moss can be, you know, good on his own. But Robinson, I think is if he was going two rounds later,
Starting point is 00:47:39 like you said, Dave round seven. Yep. Fantastic. Yeah. Fantastic. But he's going in a range that just doesn't make sense. Number three running back you're happy with.
Starting point is 00:47:47 Is he going ahead of Javante Williams? Yes. Should he be going ahead of Javante Williams? No. No. All right. He's going ahead of Michael Carter, too. I don't like that.
Starting point is 00:47:55 He's going ahead of Raheem Mostert. I don't like that either. I said Minnesota for Mike Boone. He's not on Minnesota anymore. Denver coach Vic Fangio talking about Mike Boone. Do we care about this? I think they're starting to prefer a multi-back approach.
Starting point is 00:48:09 I don't think they want to lean on just one guy. Well, yeah, we know that. But is it going to be a three-back approach or a two-back approach? I think Mike Boone is like Malcolm Brown. He's going to mess things up for everybody? He's going to be a little bit of a problem early. This also could be motivating Javante Williams to, you know, hey, you're not guaranteed to be the second guy.
Starting point is 00:48:33 You got to come in and prove it. And Melvin Gordon, you're not necessarily going to be the featured guy. You know, we have two other guys now that can take your job away. So I was looking at before the draft, Mike Boone as a sleeper because Melvin Gordon, we saw last year, banged up a little bit, getting older. They brought him in. And Mike Boone, I know, was everybody's failure week 16 two years ago. But he still has the opportunity to, in the right situation,
Starting point is 00:48:58 produce. He's just not going to be getting enough touches if everybody's healthy. It's 17 games, though. You're going to hear this a lot. They need a lot of running backs. It's true. It's the type of position that you're going to hear this a lot. They need a lot of running backs. It's true. It's the type of position that you're going to have to have a lot of bodies.
Starting point is 00:49:08 And so on that team, who's the best running back, talent-wise? I think when you factor in age, I'm going to take Javante Williams. Me too. So I'm taking him over Gordon. I don't think that that's a shock.
Starting point is 00:49:19 And I think that he'll be the best one. I think you'll be happiest with him, even though there might be some games, even with Melvin Gordon's hurt, where he's only getting it 15 touches. I love the highlights. I was taking him over Gordon since the night of the draft,
Starting point is 00:49:32 the second night of the draft. Yeah. The only reason why you take Melvin is because you're going zero RB and you want somebody that can start maybe the first couple of games. And that's assuming that he is the starter and it's assuming that he makes the team and all that stuff assuming that he is the starter, and it's assuming that he makes the team and all that stuff in Denver. But, I mean, the traffic light will change,
Starting point is 00:49:49 and eventually, Javante will be the one there. It's just a matter of... Who's making the final roster? Boone or Gordon? Gordon. Boone's going to make it. Oh, Gordon's making the final roster. I think he is.
Starting point is 00:49:57 What if he absolutely sucks? Well, I don't know. I mean, he was pretty good last year. I don't know if it's a cap situation, or I don't know what they would save if they cut him. All right. That's pretty much all I got in terms of news. What's going on with the tweets, Jamie?
Starting point is 00:50:12 Oh, my gosh. This is terrible. So I mentioned this on Monday show that I was going to give away two spots to mock draft with us for our draft Tuesday night. So you see the tweet here. If you're watching on the YouTube page. I said I need two people who are already in the Scott Fishbowl 11 who want to do a mock draft with us, but reply here with the fictional dad you like better out of John McClane and Mrs. Doubtfire.
Starting point is 00:50:35 And we obviously talked about this on Monday's show. And that conversation continued off air as Adam and I were texting about who's the better father, John McClane or Mrs. Doubtfire. So I'll read you a few of these. This one seems to be getting a lot of traction from Maddy Daddy 247. Mrs. Doubtfire with five stars. Well, I hope you're up for a little competition. She's got a power tool in the bedroom, dear.
Starting point is 00:51:03 Yes. My first day as a woman, I'm getting hot flashes uh too many good scenes by a comedian like any other makes everything better and relatable and then a couple people posted the what's a better line than hello when um with the greeting hello yeah yeah uh where's another one that i liked um there's a lot mrs dbtfire is crushing these comments. It appears. Mrs. Doubtfire is getting a lot of love. Matt Donnelly,
Starting point is 00:51:31 who I'm actually doing his podcast on Monday night, he wrote, come on, we've all had that conversation in the playground. That man's dad can beat up your dad. I'm pretty sure this would be no contest. Joey Wright, who's a friend of the program, he wrote,
Starting point is 00:51:49 Mrs. Doubtfire, because the way he throws the line means he's probably good at having a catch. Obviously, he wouldn't do anything just to be with his kids. The answer is Mrs. Doubtfire. He let his kids listen to House of Pain and have a horse in the house. Then to make sure he got to spend time with his kids, he went and got a catch.
Starting point is 00:52:04 Well, wait a second. That was Daniel Hillard who allowed that. That wasn't Mrs. Doubtfire. Well, I mean the same dad. Yeah, but I guess. I guess. I'll allow it. Team Doubtfire.
Starting point is 00:52:19 So did you pick your winners yet? No, I didn't. I'm probably going to pick somebody who picked both. I got a couple of these. John McClain, because he taught me how to keep my cool while I wait until round eight to draft a wide receiver and make fists with your toes. That's good. I like that.
Starting point is 00:52:37 Somebody wrote, John McClain, Mrs. Doubtfire's actions are honestly a little creepy, and John McClain is basically a badass Santa. John McClain, every Father's Day, he should get a card from Holly saying, thanks for saving me from terrorists twice. honestly a little creepy and john mcclain is basically a badass santa um uh john mcclain every father's day he should get a card from holly saying thanks for saving me from terrorists twice um a lot of diehard is a christian christian movie um mrs dalfire less chance of getting shot definitely spends more time with the kids the clothing options be appeared to be much more variety over a white tank top pants and no shoes uh but there's definitely some rhythm is doubtfired it's a gif of uh her burning herself while cooking yep um somebody wrote
Starting point is 00:53:11 one i didn't see it but uh about the ability to show your children that you can be both a man and a woman um or doing the job of mom i think is what it said and uh somebody wrote it's mclean as much as i adore adore and miss the hell out of robin williams I can't help but still say yippee-ki-yay, MF-er when I'm about to flip a steak or picture Hans Gruber falling from Nakatomi Plaza when I drop my phone. That is a diehard fan right there.
Starting point is 00:53:35 Yeah. All right, good stuff. Check out Jamie's tweet and comment. And yeah, I think I tweeted this last time I saw the movie, which is only a few weeks ago. But you can't, somebody, I think I tweeted this last time I saw the movie, which is only a few weeks ago. But you can't, somebody, I challenge you, tell me a better comedic performance than the dinner scene, than Robin Williams in the dinner scene. I was blown away by how good it was.
Starting point is 00:53:59 I don't even know that I ever realized how good he was. I really, as someone who doesn't drink and has never been drunk, I hate when people act drunk. I hate when actors act drunk. He is so good. He nails it. He's very convincing in the stages of how drunk he gets. He's probably drunk. Probably. But I mean, he just nailed it and he didn't go over the top. And I just think that that whole thing is a masterpiece. I think it is the best comedic acting I have ever seen. That one scene. So I'd love to hear your thoughts.
Starting point is 00:54:32 Let me share with you our texts. Oh, God. Because they were funny. What did you say? Oh, I told you that I was doing five podcasts today. And you said, wow, not even Father of the Year John McClane has done that many shows in a day. And I said, he spends time with his kids, unlike Mrs. Doubtfire. And you wrote, that's exactly what Mrs. Doubtfire does.
Starting point is 00:54:53 And I said, not while she's acting. Remember, she took a show at the end of the movie to be away from her kids. And you wrote, John McClane lives such a disgusting low-class life. Of course, his son falling in his footsteps. Great job, John, putting your kids at risk. disgusting low class of course his son falling in his footsteps great job john putting you putting your kids at risk and so i wrote um that mrs dalfire got divorced burned her boobs poisoned a man and no wonder her name has doubt in it and i said poison john james bond no less yeah we went there um it was good it was a pretty text. No comments from Shrager the entire time.
Starting point is 00:55:26 Yes. I asked you if your kids were attacked by a terrorist at a Christmas party, which dad would you rather have? And I said the one who would entertain the terrorists to death. That's right. It was very clever. All right. That's good stuff.
Starting point is 00:55:40 That's me and Jamie for much of our time. Okay, let me read some emails here before we go. I'm just going to read them straight out of the inbox. Hopefully they're good. This is from Daniel from Seattle. Do you think any of you might be low on Stafford? From McVay himself. Bro, this dude's a bad yippee-ki-yay bleeper, you know.
Starting point is 00:56:01 This dude's a bad bleeper. Whatever people say about him, as good as it can be, he's even better than advertised. That's what McVay said, apparently. What would you guess right now Stafford's ADP is among quarterbacks? Forget the round. Forget the draft. Where does he rank? 13.
Starting point is 00:56:18 He is higher than that. 12. He is higher than that. 4. No, lower than that. He is 10 than that. Four. No, lower than that. Ten. Too high. Once you start getting past, you know, right now he's going ahead of Tannehill, which I think will change.
Starting point is 00:56:34 He's going ahead of Jalen Hurts. I don't like that. He's going ahead of Brady, I believe. I don't like that. But he's in that group. I think he's in that conversation. Okay. Next email is from Kyle.
Starting point is 00:56:49 12-team PPR. I start two running backs and two wide receiver slash tight end spots and one wide receiver tight end running back, regular flex spots. I have picked 12 and 13. I think the best players available will be Taylor, Akers, Harris, Mixon,
Starting point is 00:57:06 Ridley, Diggs, and Kelsey. What would you do? Taylor. Taylor and Kelsey. Yeah, Taylor and Kelsey. I'm not sure. Oh, because he doesn't have to start a tight end. Okay, so never mind then.
Starting point is 00:57:19 I don't think I'd take Kelsey. It's PPR. He's got two running back spots, two wide receiver slash tight end spots, which are probably going to be wide receivers, and one flex. So what are the options again? Yeah, Taylor's going to be a yes. Akers, Harris, Mixon.
Starting point is 00:57:36 Ridley digs Kelsey. I'm still kind of tempted to go with Kelsey. Just because of the consistency that he's given. You think he's going to be... He'd have to outscore Ridley and Diggs. No, I think there's... Obviously, the upside is higher with a lot of the other players that are on there. And this is not a three-receiver league.
Starting point is 00:57:54 This is a two-receiver league with a flex. So you could, you know, you could take two running backs. You could. Yeah, I'd probably go Harris. I'd take Akers over Harris.ris to me it's either acres or kelsey okay i just i don't know why you go kelsey over digs or ridley yeah i'd rather have digs ridley than kelsey but i would take harris over all of them at that point it's just who's going
Starting point is 00:58:17 to score more points it has nothing to do with position scarcity right right okay um now he might score he might score more points. He was pretty damn good last year. Top four wide receiver, I think. He was better on a per-game basis in PPR than Diggs by a third of a point last year. Wow. All right.
Starting point is 00:58:34 Keeper decision from Daniel. 10-team, half PPR. I can only keep the player for one season. Two-receiver league. Kelsey in the third. Ridley in the sixth. Ridley in the sixth. Josh Allen in the 15th. And only keeping one?
Starting point is 00:58:51 Yeah. I mean, Kelsey in the third is just so hard to give up. Kelsey in the third, Ridley in the sixth, Allen in the 15th. They are all really tough i feel like ridley i mean how long can you keep them for does it say one year one year oh it's only one year it's kelsey okay let's go to jacob whose email says all all hail daniel jones the greatest athlete of all time. He wanted it to be right on the air.
Starting point is 00:59:31 You have no idea how many Daniel Jones subject lines I get now. And the emails are never about Daniel Jones. We see him. Okay. Dave, let's check your history here. Jake from a town that Ohio and Michigan fought over. There's a town that they fought over? It's got to be like right on the border. I don't know if I know any border towns between them.
Starting point is 00:59:50 Okay. You got me. I'm stumped. What is it? No idea. Dear Peter, dear Robert, Peter,
Starting point is 00:59:56 Archie, and Blake. I also don't know who they are. Robert, Peter, Archie, and Blake. Maybe Ohio State. I don't know. Archie Griffin and Blake. Maybe Ohio State.
Starting point is 01:00:06 I don't know. Archie Griffin. He's from Ohio. Toledo. Okay. Is apparently the town. Okay. Commissioner.
Starting point is 01:00:15 Early 1800s. Wow. We'll have to see that documentary. I'm the commissioner of a new 12-team dynasty league. Everyone in the league is new to dynasty, but fairly experienced in redraft. None of us really know how to value draft picks. I'd like to trade my first-round pick in the startup draft.
Starting point is 01:00:31 I'm the sixth pick. How many picks should I be looking for in return? Tough question. I'm sorry, say again? He's in a startup dynasty draft. This is a brand-new dynasty league. Nobody has dynasty experience, so he wants to know what his sixth overall pick is worth.
Starting point is 01:00:49 And this is not a rookie draft. This is a startup dynasty draft. He wants to trade his sixth overall pick. How many picks should he be looking for in return? He wants to trade sixth overall. What should he want back? So, like, certainly he'd want a second-round pick back. You'll probably want to do something like a 2 and a 3
Starting point is 01:01:08 for your 1 and your 6. Yeah, unless you could still trade in the first round. I would not want to trade out of the first round in a startup dynasty league. Well, I mean, if you're getting two 2s or maybe two 2s, two 3s. Right. You're a 2 and another 2. I mean, you know, so... Yeah, I don threes. Right. You're two and another two.
Starting point is 01:01:25 I mean, you know, so. Yeah, I don't know. Somebody's second, somebody's third. A little scary. I don't know if I'd do one and six for two and three. I'd probably do like one and eight for two and three. All right, Jacob, thank you very much for the email. And thank you all for listening.
Starting point is 01:01:39 Back tomorrow with the top five wide receivers on Fantasy Football Today. See ya.

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