Fantasy Football Today - Top 5 TE Debates! Pitts vs. Waller vs. Kittle (06/24 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: June 24, 2022

We start with a (hopefully) fun new game (2:00) and then big news (6:35) on Deshaun Watson and Alvin Kamara ... Tight end talk begins (14:30) with a look at how each of the Top 5 TEs have to deal with a significant addition or subtraction on offense. Who has the most upside among TE3-5 (15:15)? Most downside (16:50)? We debate Mark Andrews vs. Travis Kelce (19:30) and then the next three TEs as well (24:00) ... Pairing a Top 5 QB and Top 5 TE, where is the value (37:05)? Do we prefer Josh Allen and Darren Waller or Lamar Jackson and Travis Kelce? And after we talk TEs, it's time for the Fantasy Cops (44:15)! ... Your emails at [e-mail] Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @ctowerscbs, @BenSchragg Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Get 20% off Fantasy Football Today merch: https://store.cbssports.com/collections/fantasy-football-today%20?utm_source=podcast-apple-com&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=buy-our-merch&utm_content=fantasy-football-collection Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. Welcome to your Friday edition. Happy Friday, everybody. Let's get ready for the weekend. Let's talk tight ends. How can you really make the case for Mark Andrews over Travis Kelsey? Heath's going to do it. I'm going to argue with him.

It's going to be fun. I'm going to troll him a little bit. I'm going to call out the emailers. That's going to be an interesting segment. going to troll him a little bit. I'm going to call out the emailers. That's going to be an interesting segment. We'll see how that one goes. Adam calls out the emailers. And Jamie says, let's do something fun. Jamie, you know, he's happy to talk tight ends, but he wanted to mix it up a little bit, do something a little bit fun. So I

came up with something on the spot. We'll see if it's fun. We'll see if we can make a little fun segment. Remember when we used to play games? Yeah. That was fun. Why didn't you do like a tight end Jeopardy? I didn't have time for that. I would have liked to.

That would have been a good presentation of that. Adam was going to do that, but then he was trying to figure out how to change his password. He's been doing that for the last two and a half days. So he's not had time to do anything else. I know you've been busy as father of the year because you are a fantastic father watching your children. Oh, thank you.

But you know, you could have made some questions. No, I really couldn't have. My wife's been sick. So we're trying to keep the kids away from her as much as possible. And I have been doing double duty here. And you know what? The only thing I had time to do last night, Heath, please don't tell anyone in your family about this,

is I did watch the first 20 minutes of Beavis and Butthead do the universe or whatever it's called. And it was very funny. I'm sure it was. It was good. All right. So email us fantasyfootball at cbsi.com. Top five tight ends, fantasy cops a little bit later,

some news on Deshaun Watson and Alvin Kamara. Big news on those guys. And Jamie says, let's do something fun. So here we go. Ready, guys? Pick a division. Heath, pick a division, and then Jamie can pick one. Just go ahead. NFC South. Jamie, pick a division.

This is for tight ends? No, no, no. You have no idea what it's for. Just pick a division. Okay. I was going to say, because what's the crappiest tight end division? So let's go AFC East. AFC East NFC South. Pick one random team in the different division. Jamie, you can go first.

I'll pick the best team in the division. So let's go with the Jets. No, no, no. Different division. Different division. Oh, different division. You already have the AFC East. Oh, I'm sorry. I wasn't listening to you as usual. Different division. Let's go AFCs. Now pick one more. Oh, I'm sorry. I wasn't listening to you as usual. Different division. Let's go AFC West.

Nope. Pick a team in a different division. A team in a different division. Chiefs. Okay. AFC East and Kansas City. And I'll go the Rams. Okay. Make a fantasy team. Make a fantasy lineup.

Quarterback, two running backs, two wide receivers, and a tight end. I think, I'm just doing this now, that's six. So that you have five teams and you have six players.

You can only use one player per team plus one of the two teams you'll be able to use, one of the five teams you'll be able to use two players. But no more than two players for any team.

You must use every team. So Heath has the NFC South and the Rams. be able to use two players. But no more than two players for any team. You must use every team. So Heath has the NFC South and the Rams. I want to change the rules. I want it to be super flex. Super flex. No super flex. Jamie has the AFCs and the Chiefs. Go ahead, guys.

Make your fantasy lineup. Quarterback, two running backs, two wide receivers, and a tight end. You want me to go first or you want to go? Whatever. You guys can think about it. All right. Josh Allen's the quarterback. kelsey's a tight end um well the running backs are tough uh and damian harris i guess um the receivers yep i can only use one team once no you can use Damien Harris, I guess.

The receivers. I can only use one team once? No, you can use any team twice. You have to use every team. One of them you can use twice. So, Stefan Diggs you could put in there. Right. So, Diggs, Tyreek Hill.

Tyreek Hill, that's it. That's your team. That's a good team. Josh Allen, Brees Hall, Damian Harris, Travis Kelsey, Stefan Diggs, Tyreek Hill. A little zero RB there. All right, Heath, go ahead. Okay, so I'll go Kyle Pitts, Alvin Kamara,

Tom Brady, Christian McCaffrey, Cooper Cup. Man, my team's good. I've lost a complete track, though. I've got it. You did the Bucs, the Saints, the Panthers, the Falcons. Okay, you can pick any of those teams with one more player.

So you need another wide receiver. Mike Evans. Okay, yeah, you win. Brady, Kamara, McCaffrey, Kup, Evans, and Pitts. All right. I think we learned the moral of the story. Don't choose the AFC East. Don't choose the AFC East.

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I would like to call out our emailers, fantasyfootballatcbsi.com. Oh, everything is a keeper question or a dynasty question or a trade. Give me a little 2022 redraft stuff here. Give me that Apple podcast question we had saying Cortland Sutton isn't that good. Give me some hot take, whatever. Give me something 2022 redraft. Yeah, of course, you can get your keeper. I'll read some more keeper questions. I'll read some dynasty questions. But I was putting the emails in the show today.

I'm like, man, someone give me something spicy. Let's go, people. All right, news and notes. This is spicy. Pro Football Network's Aaron Wilson said the NFLPA, the Players Association, is concerned that Deshaun Watson could be suspended for all of 2022, if not indefinitely. We will know this before we actually do our drafts, most likely,

but maybe not for those of you in the Scott Fish Bowl. But how does this affect Amari Cooper? If Deshaun Watson does not play this season, would Amari Cooper be in the first five rounds? Would he be a top 60 pick? I think so, just because of how receivers get drafted. So he will be a number three receiver as opposed to a number two receiver.

If you told me Deshaun Watson was playing an entire season, he would be a borderline number one receiver. So, you know, he's going to drop significantly, assuming it's Jacoby Brissett. If there was some semblance of, hey, we're just going to have Baker start for this year, then I would probably keep him in the wide receiver two range. But if it's Jacoby Brissett for the majority of the season, I think Amari Cooper will still be a top 30 receiver. I'll probably have him ranked in that range. But he will not be in the first probably four rounds.

He's going as early as round three in some cases. Yeah, if it's Jacoby Brissett, I'd probably have him outside of the top five rounds. But it'd be close. I think Jamie's right. He'd probably be drafted in the first five rounds. I just don't like the more i think about it and i know it's a tough thing to get over but baker mayfield's a free agent after

this year he needs to play to get a contract and play in the future so if it seems like the browns could find a way to make that work if they really wanted to. Okay, I don't know if Baker Mayfield wants to, though. But if he sits out the whole year, what's his future in the NFL? Well, let's see. Baker? Yeah. You're saying he sits out as in the Browns keep him under contract? The Browns keep him under contract, and he says,

I'm not playing, so he doesn't get paid all year, and then goes in, like does the levy on Bell. He's a quarterback that's still relatively young, so he'll have an opportunity to compete for a job. But it's a prove-it deal. I would imagine he goes, if this scenario plays out, he ends up in the Tannehill-Mariota scenario. Yeah.

It obviously worked for Tannehill. We'll find out if it works for Mariota. Jameis, I mean, you know, Jameis was a little weird one because it's come up 5 000 yard season but um i mean we've seen it before where guys have to go back and and you know re-establish themselves that could be the case right i'm just thinking like because none of those guys got a bunch of money right jamis hasn't hasn't gotten a big contract yet. Well, I mean, Mariota hasn't gotten a bunch of money yet. Right. No, Jameis signed a deal, but not a huge one. Is he on a one-year deal or a three-year deal?

The first contract that he got or the second one? The first one to be a backup? No, the second one. The one he just got this offseason? I don't remember what it was. But if Baker goes out, if Baker just swallows his pride and has an above-average year this year, and then is on the open market next year,

he makes a ton more money. Well, there's also, and I don't know, Adam, it may be in the story that you read, if this suspension is indefinite, do the Browns still have the ability to void the contract? Right. Oh, I didn't see that, but I did see the rumor about that

a couple of weeks ago yeah i don't know james winston i think signed a two-year 28 million dollar deal might be effectively a one-year deal for this season uh alvin camara is bracing for a suspension of at least six games according to pro football talks Florio. Obviously a huge deal here. And Mark Ingram played three games without Kamara last season. He scored 20.8 PPR fantasy points against the Titans, 15.3 against the Eagles. He had 10 catches in those two games. Then he missed the Buffalo game. I think that was a Thanksgiving game where we were starting.

I'm sorry, what was the third string running back that everybody was so excited about? I think the worst game ever. Yeah, Tony Jones. And I wouldn't say we were that excited about it. And then the following week against Dallas, he had 10 carries for 28 yards and one catch for negative two yards. So he had a terrible game. I don't know if he got hurt because Ingram did

miss the following game against the Jets, but there was a lot of work in those first two games without Kamara. There was 18 and 22 touches so mark ingram is he a must draft but i mean he is a must draft play right now but where heath i mean it should depend on what everybody else does right now he's still available in the last round of drafts so it's hard to move him up too much until the suspension is actually happens i think he's going to be available for sure in round 11 or 12. So I'd probably wait until then. Once,

if it's a six game suspension, you might have to go all the way up to round eight or nine. They had David Johnson in last week. So I think they're going to add somebody, but we'll see. Oh man. I have one freaking league that we've done a draft on, and I have Alvin Kamara.

So annoyed. I hated that pick. And who has Mark Ingram in that league? That's the magazine league? Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, I do. It's Heath.

You do? It's Heath. No, I know who it is. It's Heath. Yes. Makes me sick. You've gotten off to a rough start with that one because you also drafted Gronk.

Did I really? Yes. Oh, man. I don't think I have a backup. Can we redo that? No. Well, it's a little weird because for our magazine content,

we swapped out Gronk and gave you Dawson Knox. So I think, to be fair, we'll give you Dawson Knox. Oh, that's okay. I can manage. As the commissioner, I'll allow that. Oh, I'll pick him up anyway. We will not give you Mark Ingram. Oh, that's okay. I can manage. As the commissioner, I'll allow that. Oh, I'll pick him up anyway. We will not give you Mark Ingram.

I don't know if I feel comfortable dropping Gronk, though. I gotta wait. You don't have to drop Gronk if you don't want to. You drafted three quarterbacks, probably, if I recall. I drafted two.

I drafted two. But as the commissioner, since we gave it to you for the content purposes, I will give you Dawson Knox. No, that's all right. I can do it to you for the content purposes, I will give you Dawson Knox. No, that's all right. I can do it myself. All right, anyway, Washington defensive end Chase Young may open the season

on injured reserve, according to ESPN's John Kime. And Paul Denner of The Athletic thinks that Chris Evans could be the Bengals' third down back as opposed to Samaje Piran. We'll take a break, and we'll talk tight ends when we come back. Andrews versus Kelsey. then the other three. How do we rank them? We'll also pair them up with a top five quarterback and compare values and you'll see what we'll do. But that's right after this quick break on Fantasy Football Today. What does possible sound like for your business? It's having the spend to powers your scale with no preset spending limit. More cash on hand to grow your business with up to 55 interest-free days.

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You know, Heath, it's weird. Every one of them has had some type of major personnel change offensively, assuming Garoppolo is not the quarterback. Kelsey loses Hill. Andrews loses Marquise Brown. Kyle Pitts loses Matt Ryan. The Jimmy Garoppolo thing for Kittle and the Devontae Adams thing for Waller.

So this is a pretty interesting... It can't be that easy. I don't know. Do you think it's difficult to rank them? Do you think it's difficult to feel comfortable projecting them? It's great for content because we've got plenty of things to write or say about all of these guys and make your case in one direction or the other. But yeah, I think there's a little bit more uncertainty than there has been in the past couple of years. Okay, so who has the most upside after the first two, this next three, however you rank it, Pitts, Waller, Kittle? Who has the most upside in that group, Jamie?

I mean, it's obviously Pitts. If he can fulfill the prophecy, then he's going to be a megastar. But it's the same thing like we've said. I don't know what you guys said in terms of wide receiver, but every player it seems like, I know what it was for quarterback and running back. It was Jalen Hurts has the most upside, the most downside. Christian McCaffrey has the most upside, the most downside. I think it's the same thing with probably Kyle Pitts.

He has the most upside and the most downside. And so if you're shooting for ceiling, second year is typically when the great ones have their breakout season. He's in his second year. He's coming off a record-breaking rookie season in terms of his yardage and, you know, what his opportunity looks like. And so there's a lot to love about him, but obviously, you know, if he doesn't score touchdowns again and the Falcons offense is miserable and the quarterback play is miserable, he could potentially be miserable. So, you know, he's, he's, he's the, he's the bridge in this at the top between two guys that you probably feel

very comfortable with in Kelsey and Andrews and two guys that, you know, are getting a little bit older. And, you know, if, if Waller's injury last year is a sign of things, maybe injury prone. And as you said, personnel changes that can severely impact them. So he can be better potentially than one of the two guys in front of him. I doubt it, but he could. But he could be significantly worse as well than the two guys going behind. Heath, who do you think has the most upside tight ends three through five? I mean, long-term upside upside i would definitely say it's pits

but i think for this year i'd still go with kittle i i don't know exactly what the 49ers going to do with this offense but if they don't go back to like just super run heavy and and continue to throw pit pits or kittle despite the injuries per game has still been awesome over the last two years. And I'm just as every bit as scared about the passing game and offensive production of the Falcons offense, and maybe more than I am 49ers. George Kittle has been a top four tight end in non PPR and a top three tight end in PPR on a per game basis in four straight seasons. And in three of the last four seasons, he has played 14 or more games and finished as a top threegame basis in four straight seasons. And in three of the last four seasons,

he has played 14 or more games and finished as a top three tight end in non-PPR and a top four tight end in PPR for a full season. But he's no worse than top four per game in four straight seasons. Very impressive for Kittle. Two games, though, with Trey Lance. And this leads me to my next question.

Who has the most downside in this three through five? Jamie's going to say Pitts. Two games with Trey Lance. And this leads me to my next question. Who has the most downside in this three through five? Jamie's going to say Pitts. Two games with Trey Lance. It's really only a game and a half for Kittle. He had four targets. So, you know, what's interesting is that last year... Wasn't there a third game, too? He missed that game.

Kittle missing. Yeah. Last year, I remember looking at the four games from 2020 that Iyuk, Kittle, and Debo played together, and Kittle dominated targets in those games. And that was one of the reasons why I was not drafting Debo Samuel. So that meant nothing. Same thing with the Nick Boyle stat from two years ago, right?

That meant nothing for Mark Andrews. Mark Andrews was much better with the Nick Boyle stat from two years ago, right? That meant nothing for Mark Andrews. Mark Andrews was much better after the Nick Boyle injury in 2020. That didn't make a difference, obviously, in 2021. So I'm guessing that this game and a half of four targets from Trey Lance means nothing going forward. But that did happen, Heath. Does it mean nothing? It means just a very little bit.

It makes me a little bit more scared. But I'm really curious what just a, just a very little bit. It makes me a little bit more scared. But I, I'm really curious what defenses are going to do. Cause I think like Kyle Shanahan, kind of like Sean McVay, if the defense wants to take something away, he'll,

you can't take Cooper cup away apparently, but I think he'll just adjust. Is the defense's top priority going into this year, stopping Debo or Kittle? Debo. I would, I don't know. I don't know. Lance?

The running game? I have no idea. They're a tough team to defend. Yeah, it's always against a team like that, stop the run. So who has the most downside? Like I said, Jamie would say Pitts. Who do you think? Who has the most downside?

Yeah, I think it's Pitts. Okay. And third question, how is Mark Andrews versus Travis Kelsey even a debate? Well, in our rankings, it's not in PPR because we all have Travis Kelsey first, I think. Yeah. What about in the other formats? In non-PPR, I do have Andrews. Excuse me. Hold on. Time out here. On FFTN5 yesterday, you said you keep changing that. You might keep changing that. All right. So it is an internal debate,

but it's not going to be a debate on this show because I changed it just so I wouldn't have to debate it. No, it's a debate because Andrew's outscored him by a point and a half last year and also lost his number one wide receiver. Yeah. Okay, Jamie, do you think it's a debate? Obviously, I have a lot to say, but I'll let Jamie go ahead. I do think it's a debate.

It's a question of how much more does Lamar Jackson rely on Mark Andrews? Because, you know, we're kind of, I think, just, I don't want to say as an industry, but, you know, the fantasy community is just kind of assuming Rashad Bateman is Marquise Brown in terms of production. You know, however it gets there, it gets there in a similar fashion, or excuse me the numbers are in a similar fashion and so mark andrews kind of just continues to operate as he has maybe a slight bump in targets but as we saw last year you know as great as andrews has been with lamar jackson he was better with the other quarterbacks and so is that the andrews that we're drafting or banking on or is it going to be just a new version of the Lamar Jackson,

Mark Andrews connection, which absolutely can be because there is no Marquise Brown. And so I think it's close. I think it's definitely worth considering taking Mark Andrews not long after Travis Kelsey comes off the board. But I'll, I kind of want to get your take, both of you on this,

because I just did a draft where I took, I had the 12th pick in an analyst draft, and I took Kelsey at the 1-2 turn, and Andrews didn't go until the end of round three. And it was a little surprising. It's a standard PPR league. I tweeted the team out, and some of the comments I got is, this is why I hate starting kelsey in round one um but when i saw andrews almost make it back to me um in round three i was like oh my god what a horrific mistake i made you know this has drafts unfolding before

you know i showed the team this was just you know complete utter shock that 11 other analysts let him go or 10 other analysts let him go that far um that he almost made it back to you know the end of the 36th pick i was shocked by that that he made it that far if that's the case then you'd have to reevaluate your strategy it's just one draft but you know the only drafts that we've i've seen yous, aside from, I think, two others, and I didn't really pay attention to where Andrews is going. Well, that's the thing. It's like you're deciding between Andrews and Kelsey on one pick,

but there's not really a place that you would think that you could be drafting where you're deciding, do I take Kelsey here or do I take Andrews next round? If that becomes the case, then I think there's no debate. I think you just take Andrews personally. The other thing I will give as a possibility for why this is a debate is, did we start to see the decline from Travis Kelsey last year, who in his age 32 season,

he turns 33 in October. His yards per reception was his lowest since 2015. His yards per game was his lowest since 2015. His yards per game was his lowest since 2017. His yards per target was the lowest of his career. Yep. But all of that coincided with my homes kind of having a down year by his standards too. So,

and, and I think it's the same thing happened with Josh Allen. We don't think my homes is going to be as good as he was in 2018 and 2019. I mean, I think he can be better than he was last year because I think Mahomes really picked it up late in the season. But no, that is why it is a debate. But I would say that, you know, yes, Mark Andrews,

I have Mark Andrews outscoring Kelsey by nine-tenths of a point last year per game. The year before that, Travis Kelsey outscored Andrews in PPR by 8.6 points. The year before that, it was closer. Kelsey outscored Andrews by 2.1 points per game. So, it just hadn't been close.

And where have the Ravens ranked in pass attempts the last three years? 32nd, 32nd, and 9th. It's always going to come down to how we feel the Ravens are going to play this year. So I think J.K. Dobbins matters so much in this debate. His health. Or Edwards or even Mike Davis.

Yeah. If the run game is better. I mean, look, obviously Lamar Jackson playing close to 17 games matters too. Yeah. Okay. And why don't you guys talk about your rankings of 3, 4, 5?

Because it is very different. In full PPR, Jamie goes Kyle Pitts, Darren Waller, George Kittle. And Heath goes Darren Waller, George Kittle, Kyle Pitts. So Jamie, hash that out for us. Pitts, Waller, Kittle.

Yeah, I mean, I like this setup for Kyle Pitts. Obviously, there's some concern. Like I said, he does have the most downside of this group. But, you know, I think when you look at this receiving core, he is their number one receiving threat. I think we're going to see him continue to be moved around the formation. I hope that, you know, Marcus Mariota and Desmond Ritter get the memo that he has to be targeted and targeted often in terms of Pitts. I can't imagine that's around the formation. I hope that Marcus Mariota and Desmond Ritter get the memo that he has to be targeted and targeted often in terms of pits.

I can't imagine that's not the case. And so while Drake London does bring a lot of upside and potential, pitch showed you that as well in his rookie season and should continue to get better as he has a full offseason to incorporate himself in the system and hopefully get familiar with the quarterback. Now, if the quarterback play is a disaster worse than Matt Ryan, then it's going to be a problem for him.

But obviously setting the rookie record for tight end yardage and receptions, breaking Mike Ditka's record, setting the Falcons franchise record for tight end production. The touchdowns are clearly the thing. He's got to find the end zone on a more consistent basis and just more volume in finding the end zone. But if he's anything close to eight touchdowns, he's going to be in the conversation for best player at that position.

And so I think Heath mentioned this in terms of age for Kelsey. Waller and Kill are getting up there as well. And in terms of what those guys are dealing with, again, not knowing who the 49ers quarterback is, as of now, we assume it's Trey Lance. I think Pitts just has more upside than those two guys if things go right again most more downside than those two guys as well but i'm gonna shoot for upside when i'm comparing him to those other two players i i do not have a strong feeling in this group i have them all ranked in the same round my strong feeling is that i don't

want to take any of them before round five and as for that i just generally don't draft any of the three of them um because sometimes one of kittle or waller falls to round five and then i take them um i i'm worried maybe more worried than everybody else about the falcons offense as bad as they were last year they were still below league median and total pass attempts and i don't know that Mariota or Ritter is really going to help that because I think they're way more likely to run when things go bad than Ryan was. And I think Drake London's probably going to have at least a –

he won't have as many targets as Pitts. I agree Pitts is going to lead. But I just – the uncertainty around these guys and the negatives outweigh the positives for me. And so I generally just pass. How many targets do you have him projected for, Pitt? I have that right here. 121.

Okay, so if you're over 120, now again, this is basically going off the majority of a 16-game season. But going back the last 10 seasons, so from 2012 to 2021, 26 tight ends had at least 120 targets over that span. Only one failed to finish as the top five tight end in PPR. That was Dennis Pitta, the great Dennis Pitta. In 2016, he was number eight. 19 of those 26 in that 10-year span were top three and so that's

a pretty good number if he can get that 120 target mark to have the opportunity to finish in that range now again 16 games versus 17 games adam asked me this when i told him this that uh a week ago or so and he said i said i don't know how many of them played the majority of this played the full 16 games i wasn't gonna go back and look at just, you know, take that for what it's worth. But in any event, it's a pretty good indication of you're getting that much volume at that position. You're going to be good. And so hopefully he has the chance to get there. He was 110 targets last season.

So 10 more targets, I think is realistic going into a second year. I don't, he's not Dennis Pitta and finished his outside the top five. I think there's a pretty good chance though, based on his pedigree and what he showed us last year without finding the end zone. If he can get a thousand yard season again, out of your tight end, he's probably going to score more than five touchdowns. Yeah.

I've got him projected for five. And I think that's the interesting discussion. Cause I, I think Alpitz is going to be a top five to your tight end. And I, if he plays 17 games, I wouldn't be surprised if he finishes number three, because a couple of other guys don't. But I've got him at 121 targets and 11.9 ppr fantasy points per game

that's what tj hawkinson scored last year that's what's a thousand yards receiving so what's just catch rate touchdowns five. Well, five touchdowns on 121 targets is very low for a tight end. But Marcus Mariota has been a very low touchdown rate guy for his career. I do want to point something out with Pitts. I don't remember. I think we were talking about this on FFT in five yesterday. Matt Ryan had a really bad year. I don't want to make it.

Maybe it wasn't Ryan. Matt Ryan's passing numbers were bad. In 17 games, he did not throw for 4,000 yards. It's about 3,900 yards, 20 touchdown passes. I don't know if Mariota plus Ritter can do that, but I don't think that they will miss that by much. So I'm not sure Pitts is getting that big of a downgrade from last season.

And last season, with that terrible passing offense, less than 4,000 yards in 17 games, that's pathetic, and 20 touchdown passes, he had over 1,000 yards as a rookie tight end. So I know people, oh, it's a huge quarterback downgrade. It definitely is. It probably is. Maybe Ryan is just done. I don't know., it's a huge quarterback downgrade. It definitely is. It probably is. Maybe Ryan is just done. I don't know. But it probably is.

But last year, Matt Ryan had, I'm guessing he had his worst season ever. So I just want to, I do think that deserves a little context. And then you say, okay, well, they added Drake London. Well, if Drake London is as good, this is going to sound crazy, as Russell Gage was last year, that would be a pretty good rookie season for Russell Gage after the Calvin Ridley absence. So, you know, I don't know how different the situation is, actually.

I said all five tight ends that we're talking about today have very different, a big personnel change. I don't know how different it is for Kyle. It has to be a lot different for him to be worth a third-round pick. No, he just has to play better. He was worth a seventh-round pick last year. He just has to put up better numbers. You've got to put it in context.

He's a third-round pick because of the position he plays. You're not drafting him to perform as well as most third-round picks. You're drafting him to perform as well as the third-best tight end by a significant margin. I gave this stat yesterday. Russell Gage would have been, based on his 17-game pace in the 10 games without Calvin Ridley,

per game, number 25 wide receiver. If Drake London is the number 25 wide receiver per game in both half and full PPR, that would be a pretty good rookie season. And they had a bad passing offense last year. So you can do with that what you will, but it's possible that it's not that different of a situation for Galpitz.

Let me talk about Darren Waller. I think we know the situation with Kittle. He's amazing, but we don't know what to make of their offense. What do you make of Darren Waller's inconsistencies? Week one last year, he comes out, has 19 targets, 10 catches, 105 yards. The next

five games, he had 34 targets, which isn't terrible, 116 target pace, but wasn't really that great. And then he kind of took off without Henry Ruggs. And then the year before that, remember, he was a little bit disappointing, and then the last five games or so, he had

this 200-yard game against the Jets and went nuts in the last five games. I'm doing this off the top of my head. I might be a little off. But he's been kind of up and down. And now you throw Devontae Adams into the mix. It's hard for me to see a very consistent season from Darren Waller.

But I do feel like of all the top five tight ends, we've probably talked the least about him. Jamie, where are you on Waller? He's number four for me. I'm very curious to see how this is going to work with the Raiders because, as you mentioned, some of his best numbers came when there was somebody removed from the equation. In this case, there's somebody pretty significant added to the equation,

but there's also a new play caller. And the things coming out of Las Vegas, you know, some suggest just based on Josh McDaniel's track record of using Gronk and using the other guy who was there and, you know, what they typically get out of their tight end production in his offense. Again, mostly with arguably the best tight end of all time, but that's going to benefit Darren Waller more so than the detraction of what he might lose with Devontae Adams there. But there's obviously going to be a target dispersion that's going to be

different than he's ever had to deal with because Devontae Adams, the college teammate of Derek Carr is going to command so much attention in this offense. And so maybe it opens things up for him. Obviously, Derek Carr and Darren Waller have a fantastic relationship. You know, they've appeared publicly a few times this offseason when Darren Waller can certainly have every argument in the world to say, I'm not playing until you pay me because he's playing on a very minimal deal and deserves a hell of a lot more money based on what he's produced. And so I think the fact that he is in a contract situation,

that he's going to probably see less coverage than he's ever had, and hopefully this offense is better, that's what keeps him in this range for me and slightly ahead of George Kittle because I am a little bit concerned about Trey Lance and what that means for George Kittle. So I think those two guys are basically married together in terms of where they should be drafted. If you are, again, looking for the most upside,

I think Pitts has it ahead of those other two guys. But if you just kind of want to wait out the top five tight ends and you're coming into a round where they're both still available and you think they're going to go, just take the one that's left because I do think that Kittle and Waller are going to be very close in production, hopefully still very elite. Do you guys think that, or Jamie, or either one, do you guys think that Waller, Kittleittle Pitts are closer to Dalton Schultz or

closer to Andrews and Kelsey well that's a great question I would hope they're closer to Kelsey and Andrews I'm going to say Pitts is closer to them the other two are closer to Schultz that's kind of how I feel I

think it's hard for me to take Kittle or Waller in round four if I can get Schultz in round six. Yeah. Sorry. You might be able to get Schultz in round seven. I mean... I'm going to check the ADP. No, the ADP is different, you know,

because a lot of sharp people are drafting right now. I think the casual fantasy drafter is going to say, why should I take Dalton Schultz ahead of Dallas Goddard or Zach Ertz or TJ Hawkinson? It's round seven for Schultz. It's round six on fantasy pros. Okay. I think it's round seven. Yeah, it's round seven.

Sometimes dividing by 12 isn't so easy. As I've been doing more drafts lately, I do find myself hoping and praying that I can draft Dalton Schultz. It seems like he's one of my favorites. And I never want to draft TJ Hawkinson. I don't know about you guys. I agree. For me, it's the great or late. Where if I don't get one of the top five.

Great or late. I like that. If I don't get one of the top five and I don't get Schultz, I kind of pass on. I'll wait out Ertz because he usually falls, but then it's usually like Cole Komet. Yeah. I will do a very Heath thing. I know it's probably annoying, but Dalton Schultz outscored Pitts by almost two fantasy points per game and his situation improved.

Yeah. And they're going four rounds apart. It's over Schultz. You like the value on Schultz. Yeah, I've got him 12 points apart in this projections. I do still have pits projected by more which is i'm kind of making fun of myself too but like schultz gonna be worse than he was last year but no i don't think you're making fun of yourself you're taking

the value we say this all the time you know we adam hates the keeper questions we're gonna say every time take the guy who's later if you obviously have a feeling and i don't disagree with it that they're going to be close uh you know so if you're more in the camp of the the three guys you asked are they closer schultz you absolutely wait out schultz why wouldn't you okay same thing like you know you have a a feeling that andrews is going to be better because you keep flopping those guys i mean the the the value like again the the adp right now has andrews at least on fantasy pros is the 21st overall pick. You can't have that decision because of where you have to draft Kelsey

at the end of the first round. But, I mean, my goodness, if you want to just play the value card, the value card is obviously in Andrews' favor. So let's pair up a top five quarterback and a top five tight end, and let's see how this game works. Using NFC ADP, we'll do QB1 and tight end five versus tight end one and QB5. Would you rather have

Josh Allen and Darren Waller or Lamar Jackson and Travis Kelsey? Allen and Waller. Really? Oh, I'm sorry. Who's the quarterback josh allen and darren waller or kelsey and and lamar jackson oh no i'm sorry kelsey and marge it's a layoff more jackson we were always going to go with the worst quarterback and the better tight anything would you rather have qb2 and tight end four which is mahomes and kittle or qb4 and tight end four, which is Mahomes and Kittle, or QB four and tight end two, which is Joe Burrow and Mark Andrews. So Mahomes and Kittle or Burrow and

Andrews? Mahomes and Kittle here. Mahomes and Kittle. All right, let's do tight end three and QB three versus QB three and tight end three. Would you rather have Justin Herbert and Kyle Pitts or Kyle Pitts and Justin Herbert? I realized midway through this game.

Well, here, I want you to do this because I'm going to ask Keith about the team that I drafted. Go five rounds into two teams, one with Kelsey in the first round. Use ADP. Just do an Andrews draft. Do an Andrews and a Pitts draft. So build a team, first round pick,

Andrews in round two, and then two or three other players, however far you want to go, and then do one with Pitts in the third round. Okay. So this is the team I drafted for... Am I putting together a team? I'm sorry, I don't understand.

Yes, you're putting together, based on ADP, start with the tight end and either work up'm sorry. I don't understand. Yes, you're putting together, based on ADP, start with the tight end and either work up or down. I'll do the Kelsey one because that's what I did. So, Heath, you tell me about this team. I think it's the perfect Adam Azer team based on the players that I got. I'm sure you'll like it as well because you like to play tight end. Also, it has one of your favorite players in Josh Jacobs.

So, I started at 12th pick. It's PPR. Four points for passing touchdowns. So, I started with Diggs and Kelsey, and then I went Akers and DJ Moore. So those are my first four picks. Diggs, Kelsey, Akers, DJ Moore. Then in 5-6, I took Godwin and Josh Jacobs. I don't remember exactly how it all played out,

but those are my first six picks. So here's the team. You tell me if you like it, dislike it, however you feel. Jalen hurts again, four points for passing touch. Love it.

Jalen hurts. Cam Akers, Josh Jacobs. The receivers are digs. Godwin DJ more. And my flex right now will be Alan Lazard and then Kelsey. And then on the bench, I went a little heavy running or not.

I'm sorry. I didn't go heavy running. I'm thinking of a different team. My bench is Kenneth Gainwell, Naeem Hines, and Daryl Henderson, along with Rondell Moore, K.J. Osborne, Tim Patrick, Albert O., and Justin Fields. Everybody was taking two quarterbacks. I figured Justin Fields was a good value, and I took Albert O. just because he's the best player available.

So, again, quarterbacks are Hertz and Fields. The running backs are Akers, Jacobs, Gainwell, Hines, and Henderson. The receivers are Diggs, DJ Moore, Chris Godwin, Alan Lazard, Rondell Moore, Tim Patrick, and KJ Osborne, and Kelsey and Albert O. Yeah, I mean, if the running backs work work out that's the only question mark i'd have because i think you're elite at quarterback tight end and wide receiver like those that combination of those three wide receivers elite it's acres and jacobs could both be top 12 running backs this year or could both be major question marks that's the only question on the team but you can have questions at running back if you're elite at quarterback, wide receiver, and tight end. Right. And I'm banking on the Rams running back, hopefully takers, being elite.

And then if I have to mix and match, if Jacobs stinks, I think Hines will surprise people. I've said that many times. Gainwell is a lottery ticket. And I'll obviously play the waiver wire as well. Oh, my gosh. I like it, but I got a lot of critiques about it. Pissing me off so much.

This chat, this comment on YouTube. When Jamie says greater late, starting what round is considered late? No, greater late is my thing. Heath assigned it to Jamie. Jamie is running with the shtick. Heath didn't assign it to me. I said it on the Fantasy Pros podcast

and I specifically gave credit to our show. I forgot who said it first. I might've said you and I specifically gave credit to our show. I forgot who said it first. I might have said you, but I gave credit to our show. I even said, it's not my thing. I said, it's our show, said it. I knew it was one of you two. And Joe Pisapia came on our show and said that he started using it and gave me credit for it. And I said, no, no, no, no, no.

It's not my thing. Would Schultz or Ertz fall under late? No. Ertz is 101st overall, so I think yes. But Schultz, no. I kind of think late is like double-digit rounds. Like, Kmet's late. Ertz is borderline.

Yeah, I kind of feel like top 100. Okay. You can use 100 or 120 either way yeah i guess it's not like what is zero rb how many rounds do you have to go five first running back around six i think originally it was seven i generally say five but yeah it's in that range who cares all right so you want so you want these tight end teams? Yeah. All right, so I used the fifth pick in the draft, and I gave this player, this manager, Najee Harris,

and on team A, Mark Andrews in round two, A.J. Brown in round three, and then I kept the same picks four and five. I didn't really see a reason to change them. D.K. Metcalf, Cortland Sutton. So Najee Harris, Mark Andrews,

AJ Brown, DK Metcalf, Cortland Sutton, as opposed to Najee Harris, Aaron Jones, Kyle Pitts, DK Metcalf, Cortland Sutton.

So basically you're just asking Jones and Pitts or Andrews and AJ Brown. Yeah. Now, if you want to say it's not a three-receiver league or it's half PPR, you don't want to go that full receiver strategy, you could take Sutton,

you can take Metcalf and Elijah Mitchell instead of Metcalf and Sutton or Sutton and Elijah Mitchell instead of Sutton and Metcalf. You know, you could throw in Mitchell as a running back

as a RB2 in round five. But I guess the start of Najee Harris, Mark Andrews, A.J. Brown versus Najee Harris, Aaron Jones,, AJ Brown versus Najee Harris, Aaron Jones, Kyle Pitts,

which do you prefer? The Andrews team. Yeah. The Andrews team. I don't know. I don't know what to make of 80 because it's so different than ours, but AJ Brown does not typically make it past the turn in our leagues. Even with him making it that late,

does Aaron Jones make it to that late in the second round? Again, I'll reference this analyst draft. Aaron Jones went in the third round. I was a little surprised. We're not necessarily the barometer of what's going to happen. I think I'll just use ADP then. Most analyst drafts, they go so heavy on receiver.

Yeah. Alright, guys. We've got some emails to read. FantasyFootball at on receiver. Yeah. That's true. All right, guys. So we've got some emails to read. Fantasyfootball at CBSi.com. We also have the Fantasy Cops. If you have any league disputes and you want our help, put Fantasy Cops in the subject line and email fantasyfootball at CBSi.com. This one comes from a person whose name I don't have.

I'm the commissioner of my 10-team league. To alleviate conflict of interest and to balance power, our league has an additional two co-commissioners. This allows me the ability to remove myself from a situation and have someone else make an unbiased decision. Our issue comes after we establish the draft order, which we set randomly. One of the co-commissioners received the first pick while I received the fifth pick, and I've won five of the last seven years.

The person who got the first pick does not like picking on the corners, prefers a middle spot. Meanwhile, I want the first pick. So I offered for us to swap picks. But the third commissioner said that would come across bad to the rest of the league, allowing me, the commissioner, to change the first pick. I feel he may be doing this to prevent me, as a winning manager specifically, from having that first pick advantage. What are your thoughts? As a Commissioner, should I be held to a different standard, or should this just go through with the league feelings being damned?

Is there a rule against trading draft picks? It doesn't seem that way. It's just it's two co-commissioners trading draft picks, and he's worried that it's going to look bad for them. Well, the third commissioner is worried that it's going to look bad to the rest of the league if two co-commissioners trade, including the guy who has won five of the last seven seasons ending up with the first pick.

Eh, boo-hoo. If there's no rule against it, then the third commissioner really has no legs to stand on. Yeah, I mean, if these guys haven't quit after the same guy beating them five out of seven years, they're probably not going to quit over this. I will say, though, in a blanket, that... I love it.

You need a big blanket for three commissioners. Yeah, yeah. From Mitch. Good morning, Les, Kirk, Tug, and Alpa. No idea. Nope. Tug was one of the guys that Rachel dated on Friends. Remember, Jamie?

I believe it was Tag. Oh, it was. Excellent. Good. These are from Rotten Tomatoes. This is from Tropic Thunder. You tugged on a blanket. Yes.

They were on a break. What are your... They were on a break. It was pretty sad, though, when Ross died in the first season. Yeah. Heath, I don't know how you overcame that. Yes.

What are your temperatures on Jameis Winston for dynasty by cell hold? I've been offered an arguably late 2024 second and third round pick for Jameis Winston. It's a one QB. I guess so. How late? Yeah.

You don't know. It's 2024. Oh, I mean, how many rounds? Rounds two and three are the picks. I don't know. Yeah. All right. I would do it in a one-year back league,

and I would keep Jameis in a super flex league. Yeah, I guess that's the best way to go about it. Sean from a city 1,760 yards high. I don't know. Is it Denver? Sure. Yeah, it's a mile. You can probably Google that one.

That's a mile? 1,760 yards? Okay. One-third of 5,280 feet. Yeah, that makes sense. Hey, Chris, Lane, Eddie, Kirk, and Andrew. Those feel like 90s grunge rockers to me. Oh, is it?

Maybe it's Temple of the Dog? It's something like that. Everyone uses fantasy points per game over fantasy points for the season, and everyone thinks that's okay, but you make fun of Acer stats. How are fantasy points per game over season long all accepted as good when those are basically Acer stats as well?

You know, I think a good argument for that is Najee Harris because he was a top five back in total points. But I think he only scored 17.7 points per game. Where did that rank? What was he, about eighth? Sounds about right. So, like, obviously there's some lows there, and you're going to have players like that.

But you clearly see what you're getting by the end of the season. You know, so some guys just kind of fall into the, I think there's middle ground in discussing both of them you know like obviously we've had this uh this top five conversation and and whenever dave because it feels like he's defending derrick henry the most that's the argument that clearly makes the most sense is he would have been number one in points per game but you know again he he didn't he didn't finish the season so you know that's the the negative same thing with mcafree you know it, oh, those three games in 2020, he was awesome. But he played three games.

Yeah. And Najee Harris, by the way, eighth per game. A's or stats are different than points per game. A's or stats are points per game, eliminating games where players are I don't know the points per game, per se for jonathan taylor but i think i've told you this or i certainly said it on the monday show on the running back show that the last nine games when he was eight of those over 20 total touches consistently versus the first eight games when you only had two over 20 i would imagine his points per game in those final nine games

probably look a little bit different than just the 21 and a half essentially that he scored. I have him at 22.2. Over those final nine? No, no. Full season. Oh, full season.

I will have that very, very shortly. I'm just not sure if his bye was early in the year or late in the year. Oh, it was very late. I think it was week 14. So his final eight games,

he averaged 23.3 points per game. And Derek Henry averaged 23.4. His final eight games, he averaged 23.3 points per game. And Derrick Henry averaged 23.4. His final nine games, he averaged 24.5. Yeah, look, Acer stats are fun, I guess. They probably have taken on too much of a life of their own. No, they have not at all. They're one of the best parts of our show. Well, I don't base all my decisions on them.

I need people to base a few, not few, but not that many of my decisions. There's value in total fantasy points, and there's value in points per game, and there's value in Acer stats. I think what I try to do is take the sample of a player's season that I think will most resemble...

Make your point. ...his situation. Who did Dave get mad at you about? Which running back was it? Who did who get mad at you about? Which running back was it? Who did who get mad at me about? Oh, McCaffrey. He got mad at you about McCaffrey. He got mad at me for that?

No, I mean, he challenged you a little bit about... The Azerstad? Yeah. What was my Azerstad? What was it? About you taking out the games that he left. Oh, yeah. Well, right.

So if I'm trying to figure out how good was he last year, on a per-game basis, Christian McCaffrey was fifth in points per game, 18.2 PPR points per game. How can you count the games that he left after 30% of the snaps? It's better to look at the five games

that he finished because in those games, he was the best. He was, yeah. No, no, no. He was just below Derek Henry, right? But he was incredible. He was five points. No, no, he was just below Derrick Henry, right? But he was incredible. He was five points better

than he was, you know, if you count the two games that he left with the team. What's the point of that? I think if you were to take his four best games and say that's who he is as opposed to keeping

the fifth game in there. Yeah, that would be a little cheating. It's much better. It's obviously easier for us to make fun of you. But it's better for the perception of the player. And I think a lot of times what gets lost is you also do this when they struggle,

but we don't usually focus on the ones that struggle. We use it because you're trying to make a point to sell something as opposed to detract from something. Right, right. I mean, the one that stands out to me a lot recently is Lamar Jackson because you always take out the game where you left early in the game. I totally agree. Yeah, you have to do that, right. I mean, the one that stands out to me a lot recently is Lamar Jackson because you always take out the game where you left early in the game. Oh, you have to do that. Yeah, you have to do that, yeah.

From Brian. Hey, Sid, Mario, Jaromir, and Ronnie. Yammer and Ronnie. I don't know who Ronnie is, but these are penguins. I bet you're a hockey aficionado after following the Panthers into oblivion. I'd given up hockey. I honestly don't know if the Stanley Cup ended last night or is there another game tonight?

I know it's 3-1 Colorado. I don't know either, which is sad. I think it's 3-1 Colorado. They won in overtime in game four, and I'm not sure where we are after that. I had the first round turn at picks 12 and 13, and Derrick Henry was still on the board. I took Dalvin Cook and DeAndre Swift in a full PPR dynasty startup.

Did I make the right choice? Swift, yes. Yeah, I think Cook and Henry is debatable. I think maybe the way that you made the wrong choice was taking a second running back. I don't know how many running backs that were gone but i assume several i wouldn't take cook or henry that early in the dynasty startup this is from kevin he says what do i do with calvin ridley in my dynasty league i've been offered a trade for him but i don't know how to value him i have a few offers trade one

i give up a first round pick in 2023 and Ridley for Clyde Edwards-Elair. Ugh. No. No. Trade two, I give up Darren Waller and Calvin Ridley for Cole Komet, Jerry Judy, and a second-round pick. It sounds like your team is probably not in contention

the very next line of the email says my team is very strong so winning is now possible so don't trade darren waller yeah oh wait wait but you're getting jerry judy but you're giving up darren waller though if you're in contention you don't want to do that we're not draft i mean i guess jud Judy and Waller are being drafted in the same relative place in redraft right now. Yeah, Judy's later. But, right, they're not so far apart. So let's take the second-round pick

and Ridley out of it. You're trading Waller for Komet and Judy. What do you think about that? I guess. But if I'm in contention, though, I'd rather have the sure thing at tight end. I think I have Ridley worth basically a second-round pick mixture.

I encourage everyone to listen to podcasts. They have not been published yet, but this weekend they'll be out. You can see them on YouTube right now. Jacob Gibbs on Saturday. You're going to hear his Cortland Sutton profile, and on Sunday his Jerry Judy profile, hear his Cortland Sutton profile. And on Sunday, his Jerry Judy profile. And he is all about Jerry Judy.

And he gives some good reasoning for it. I hope Russell Wilson and the Broncos are all about Jerry Judy too. Yeah, I know. But look, it's different stuff than we ever talk about. Man versus zone splits. You'd be surprised how much better Russell Wilson is against one type of coverage and how much better Cortland Sutton is against one type of coverage.

It's interesting stuff. You'll hear those on this podcast on Saturday and Sunday and also on FFT and Five. Last question is from Mark. How important is it for aging running backs to have their handcuffs on dynasty rosters? I am the Eckler manager. I have picks 106 and 11 11 in my dynasty rookie draft.

Do I reach for Spiller at one 11 or stick with best available? I'd stick with best available. You don't even know for sure that Spiller is going to be as handcuffed or the Spiller is going to be the starter when Eckler leaves or is right. We're done. Does he have two Oh six too? Don't know. Because if he has 206,

there's a chance that Spiller's still there. Yeah. And so, you know, it sounds like, you know, you've obviously made one trade to get two picks in the first round. Maybe you make another trade to move up a couple spots in round two

and guarantee yourself Spiller if you're concerned. But taking Spiller at 111, I think just a little bit too risky. Or I don't like, because I think I might like a 20-23 second more than 111 anyway. So maybe see if you can move back from 111 into the middle of the second and pick up a 20-23 second. Or you might get a 20-23 first.

I mean, if somebody's looking to get one of these receivers now that has maybe somebody has multiple firsts already. This is tough news. My Dynasty League is folding after this year, it seems. 12 years. After this year? Yeah, the commissioner's going to step down after this year. So why don't you step up?

I wouldn't mind it. Well, because it's not on CBS, and I have no interest in being a commissioner on this dreadful website that we use. You know you can move everything to CBS. Yeah, I might. I'll think about it, but it seems like other people are dropping out too. All right, let's spend a few minutes on... Well, you know what Lou Dobbs would say.

I don't know what he would say. Not Lou Dobbs. What's Lou something? The manager of Major League? The Indians in Major League? Oh, what is his name? Lou What's Lou something? The manager of Major League? The Indians in Major League? Oh, what is his name? Lou Brown. Lou Brown?

What would he say? Oh, no. Was it him that said it, or was it? Oh, it was Dorn that said it. Yeah. Roger Dorn said it. What did he say? I know Adam Azer.

I know what Adam. Go ahead. Strike this guy out. There's only one thing left to do. Oh, no. He did not say that come on dude jake taylor said oh jake taylor said yeah win the whole bleeping thing yeah lou was lou had already died by then um god i butchered that whole thing yes yeah like i know adam azar

and so i i hope you're going to spend the rest of the afternoon sending offers to other league managers of really young, exciting players for guys like Derrick Henry and Travis Kelsey and Tom Brady. No, no. I've made so few trades in that league. I don't know why, because I don't know the managers. It's tough for me to... I'd like to send text messages. You're embarrassed to send the types of offers

you send to us to people you don't know? You should see the trades that get made in this league. It drives me crazy. I'm always, why didn't I make that trade? What's the worst Dynasty trade you've made? I don't have one.

I don't think. That's my only Dynasty league I've made so few trades, so I don't know. I have such a terrible one. What was it? Right before Andrew Luck retired, I traded a first-round pick for T.Y. Hilton. And then Jacoby Brissett happened. And then Jacoby Brissett happened. Clay Peterson says Mike Kosicki should be tight end six.

Over who? No way. Did you, you know who would say that's too low? Who? Derek Carr. Mike Kosicki? Derek Carr ranked his top five tight ends in the NFL for some purpose.

It was on Twitter last week. And he had Mike Kosicki as the fifth best tight end in football. He had it. Waller, Kittle, Kelsey, Andrews, and then Gasicki. Gasicki, I mean, he's in such an,

he's another guy, such an interesting spot. I don't think he should be tight end six, but you are talking about a system upgrade. And hopefully he benefits. I mean, he should be the third guy in this offense and could end up being very good value for fantasy managers. Here's one from Mahmoud, who gave Jamie credit for great or late. I wouldn't recommend taking both a tight end

and a quarterback in the first five or six rounds. You guys agree or disagree? I generally agree. If you want Adam Azer to like your team, I would definitely agree. Because every time I've ever done that, either your running back or wide receiver is going to be bad when you do that. And then Azar is going to hate your team. But I often take both a tight end and quarterback in the first five or six rounds.

I think the thing that helps this strategy is if you don't take two of the other positions. So if you go, let's say Kelsey running back, wide receiver, quarterback, and then come back and take something of the other two spots, you're typically better off because you end up getting one still high end player at that position.

I am totally off this strategy, by the way. I don't care anymore about not to put, but I'll draft to a quarterback in a tight end in first five rounds i have no problem but the thing is i just don't typically take a quarterback that early i'm usually in the round seven range there i also think it's um you should do that more often when you're in leagues with people who are not paying as much attention or trying as you are yeah definitely okay let's see if we have any new comments here.

And that's obviously one quarterback league, too. Our good friend Andrea informs us that there is another hockey game tonight. And Verlander-Severino tonight. Heath, you see how the Yankees game ended yesterday? Go Lightning. Four runs in the ninth inning off the Astros. Thing of beauty.

Walk-off win. Our guy Holmes got the win. He didn't pitch. So that's it for the show. We're going to send you off into the weekend. Have a wonderful weekend. Make sure you listen to those FFT and 5 episodes that drop in both feeds

for a really good analysis on Sutton and Judy. And we will talk to you with a mock draft review on Monday. Thanks, everybody. Take care.