Fantasy Football Today - Trade Talk, Advanced Metrics, Schedule Analysis and Raiders-Broncos Preview (11/05 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: November 5, 2025

We recap the big news (3:15) from Tuesday including the futures of Kyler Murray and Jacoby Brissett in Arizona plus the Jakobi Meyers and Rashid Shaheed trades. Then we get into the trade talk! Who are our favorite buy low candidates (13:40)? We discuss A.J. Brown, Aaron Jones, Dak Prescott and more ... Should you sell high (26:35) on Brock Bowers? Kyren Williams? Michael Pittman? After discussing those three players and more, we get into the Raiders-Broncos game (44:25) with some tricky Start/Sit decisions on J.K. Dobbins, Tre Tucker and Troy Franklin ... Jacob Gibbs joins the show (56:30) with some advanced metrics and his thoughts on Jaxon Smith-Njigba, Rico Dowdle, Dalton Kincaid and Trevor Lawrence among others ... Email us at [e-mail] Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts Watch FFT on YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Shop our store: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠shop.cbssports.com/fantasy⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ FOLLOW FFT Dynasty on Spotify: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ SUBSCRIBE to FFT DFS on Apple: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dfs/id1579415837⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This is fantasy football today from CBS Sports. What a play! Can you believe this? It's a no idea. It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Off to the races and he stays on his feet. It's just going to go the distance. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath.

Hump day! Happy Wednesday, everybody. November 5th, we're talking trade. Trade deadlines are approaching a few weeks away. And it is time for fantasy football. today presented by BetMGM, Make It Legendary. We're going to look at schedule, strength of schedule a little bit today. We're going to look at running backs. Maybe we'll have some tough matchups, wide receivers with great

matchups, those types of things, and try to help you out with buy lows and sell highs. We also should run through all the news and notes because we should talk about a fairly eventful day yesterday with a couple of trades that we did have a little bit of a bonus pod on. But in case you missed it, we'll give you our updated thoughts. Good morning, Heath. What's up? Hey, Adam. Good morning, Jamie. Hey, Adam.

And hi, Dave. Yeah. And I want to thank everybody, and there's no need for any of the guys on the show to respond. We'll just leave it, you know, for me to say, thank you all for the support on the rule change, on the rule change proposal. I greatly appreciate it. Thank you for having my back, wildly popular take. Keith Adams, a moron, just so you know. That just summed it up.

That's nothing new. Did you catch one to this, Heath? No, I don't know anything about it. it, Adam. I'll make it real quick. If you get a personal foul, if you get a personal foul penalty when it's second and one, it becomes second and 16. But if you picked up the first down on the play, it's still first and 10.

I don't think that makes sense. I think that it should be second and one, just move it 15 yards back and change the yard to gain, the line to gain. But actually, if people didn't like that, there was actually a fairly good compromise. People said, Adam, you were kind of on to something, but it should be first and 25 in the case of picking up the first down and getting the personal foul. So I think at least people feel like there should be some yardage penalty even when you

pick up the first down as it relates to down and distance. Okay. Anyway, news and notes, Jacoby Brissette is going to start. Look at his face. Look at it. Just think about it. Just think about it. Jacobi Brisset is going to start.

I think he's thought about it. This is going to start this week at Seattle. And it seems like it could be started, you know, Jamie, what was your read on this situation? Kyle Murray, still got this foot issue. But how long do you expect Jacoby Percette to be? be the starter well i love that the part of the report came out that it could be a four to eight week injury and so they just decided to leak that out now or or just got out somehow now that oh yeah by the way the other guy's playing much better and this may be eight weeks that kailer murray

may be sitting so it makes sense if you're the cardinals reset looks much better their offense is averaging a touchdown per game better with reset under center so why would you not ride the hot hand at this point if you're trying to get yourself back into playoff contention so Let him heal and let him get healthy and let Jacoby Brissette continue to play well. Okay. Every game he has started so far, he has scored more fantasy points than Kyler Murray's best game of the year, which came all the way back in week one when he scored 22.3 fantasy points at New Orleans. Brissette has been better than that in six points for passing touchdown leagues in every game.

I think the more interesting question is who is Kyler starting for next year? J-E-T-S. There's no way that they don't go in with. a rookie and some old veteran. They might be Jacoby Versat starting for the Jets next year with a... See, I think their rookie quarterback comes in 2027 when they have three first round picks and it's a much, much better draft class. Yeah, maybe that could be true.

A two-year tank job? Well, no, they could stop gap and then start and then, look, they could easily draft the quarterback this year. It's just not a great QB year, but stop gap in the veteran. In response to Dave's comment, like even if they draft a rookie quarterback, quarterback next year, they're going to be terrible. So I understand maybe they don't want to go into the season with the idea that we're clearly terrible, but they're already clearly terrible.

Someone said... I thought there was a quarterback in Miami is going to be first overall in the draft. No. There's a fly on my wall. I feel like they're tricking me, but I'm going to look anyway. I don't see it. Okay, next news item. Heath, we had a...

Jamie Dave and I talked about the two wide receiver trades on CBS Sports Network. Let's get your thoughts on Rashid Shaheed going to Seattle and Jacoby Myers going to Jacksonville, where Brian Thomas Jr., let's call him week to week, but he could play this week, according to Adam Schaefter, and Travis Hunter not expected to be out long term, according to Ian Rappaport. So your thoughts on the wide receiver trades? Yeah, I think that Rashid Shahid becomes, like, he is right in that super high, weekly upside, very low floor. or low-end wide receiver three high flex range. He knows this offense, so he could show up this week and play a full complement of snaps. And it's probably really bad news for Cooper Cup and also bad news for Tori Horton, who really was already occupying that role of maybe I score two touchdowns, maybe I get two passes.

It's a team that throws the ball 29 times a game. And 11 of those go to JASN. Nobody else is going to be a consistent performer in the passing game. But Rashid, you should feel great about if you have them in your flex or as a bi-week replacement on a week-to-week basis. Because he could score 18 to 20 points, and it wouldn't be that surprising. Okay. Does you guys, Dave, Jamie, have any updated thoughts on these situations?

No. No, I think he said it best. You know, they needed wide receiver help. You know, they're really banged up right now because their third and fourth receivers are dealing with injuries on top of Cooper Cup or their fourth and fifth receivers dealing with injuries on top of Cooper Cup being banged up. We don't know when he's going to return. So they needed to make some sort of move to help themselves out. And the only thing that frustrates me is not giving more of an opportunity, at least on

the surface, to Tori Horton, you know, just because like it seemed as if he could become something and it's going to be hard for him to do that, especially when Cup does come back. So I like the trade. You know, I think it's a smart move because, again, Sheheed knows the system. He knows the coordinator. They have, you know, recent history together in 2024, and we saw Shehede outperforming Crystal Lave at the start of that season, if you recall. So this is a great move for Sam Donald. It's a, I don't want to say it's a lateral move for Sheik's.

I think there is a benefit to playing with a better quarterback and a better offense. So like you said, Adam yesterday, you know, like he just wasn't scoring touchdowns, and that just felt like something that was not going to change dramatically in New Orleans with the quarterback there. So this should help him. But I would have liked to see him go someplace where he may have become not the number one, but more of a featured guy because, as he said, like we're not going to see consistent,

I don't want to say double-digit targets. We're not going to see probably consistent seven plus targets for Rashid in this office. The other interesting thing is Tyler Shuck has thrown 56 passes for the Saints. 16 of them went to Shahid. 10 each for Chris Olavay and Juan Johnson. I know we already had our Johnson Johnson moment and then he faded away but he's got a 17.8% target share

with Chuck Quinn Shaheed was there he is probably back into that borderline top 12 conversation sure is and hopefully Olave goes back to his target share where it was with Spencer Rattler because I don't think they have anybody else on that team we want them to throw the ball to Okay. Jacksonville seems like a mess. I think we've said Brian Thomas Jr. as a by-al-low so many times, but with all the injuries and now adding Myers, it just doesn't seem like it's going to happen.

You guys, just a quick agree or disagree. It just doesn't seem like it's going to be a good finish to the year for Brian Thomas Jr. He's never going to be. Yeah, he's never going to be what we drafted him to be. Right. And this is obviously a big problem for the waiver wire wide receiver of the week, Parker Washington. He had a 49. 0.3% slot rate last week. Jacoby Myers had a 49.1% slot rate. Now, maybe it takes Myers a little longer to mix in, and maybe if Thomas and Hunter aren't there, and Myers is learning the offense,

Washington could still be a decent fill-in this week, but I don't think he's going to help you much once Myers gets ramped up. Myers could also play on the outside. Like, he's capable of lining up anywhere. I think Washington, it's pretty clear, is best in the slot. So there's a chance that the Jaguars trying,

utilize Myers as a perimeter receiver more than a slot receiver. But you're right. It's obviously going to hurt the upside for Washington. Yeah, I was going to say that, Dave. Actually, if you look at the previous two years in Las Vegas, those were the lowest slot rate years of Jacopi Meyer's career. But not this year. But this year has been back to that, you know, 40% slot rate.

So maybe they'll play a more. Very last thing. Like, Trey Tucker wasn't in our waiver wire columns because he's 68% rostered and not 64% rostered, but things look much better for him. And in deeper, deeper leagues, go see if Jack Besh is available. There's some good deep league options this week. You know, between Jack Bash, you could take a flyer. I know it's a crappy offense, but Devon Valet now, because he's going to get more playing time. You got Jalen Lane with all the injuries in Washington and what their receiving court looks like. You know, there's a young guy that they may start to feature a little

bit more. And AD Mitchell, you know, if you're, if you're just looking at it, I know it's a, it's a gross passing attack, but they, they got him for nothing. And former second round pick that just maybe needs playing time. And I don't think there's a lot of people in that team that are keeping him off the field, especially if Garrett Wilson still hurt. Okay. So if you're in the chat right now, by the way, we'd love to know who you think the biggest winner of the trade deadline is. So I'll read the results in a little bit. But in the chat, tell us who do you think the biggest winner of the trade deadline is. Thomas will put little stars next to your responses and then we'll kind of see what the chat is feeling. The other news, Sauce Gardner going to the Colts for two first

round picks and Adonine Mitchell. Mitchell's so far, he's been kind of a downfield guy. He was the 52nd overall pick in the drafts in 2024. The Jets also acquired a defensive back from the Chargers for a seventh round pick. It's not going to be Soss Gardner. The Jets traded Quinn and Williams to the Cowboys. So the Cowboys added Quinn and Williams on their defensive line and Logan Wilson at linebacker. They've obviously had one of the worst run defenses in football. Let's see if this changes things. The Chargers acquired...

I mean, how excited we would have been, if you said before the season. Man, Jerry Judy gets to face the Jets without Sauce Gardner. Yeah, I know, right? The Chargers acquired Trevor Penning from the Saints. They're really thin at offensive tackle. Penning can play tackle or guard. He hasn't really been that great, but they need bodies there.

You're being kind at him. Yeah. Marvin Mims were. turn to practice, so he might be able to play this week. They got the Thursday game. We'll preview that one. Davis Mills, as of now, he's expected to start, according to KPRC2's Aaron Wilson, because

C.J. Strauss in the concussion protocol. They get Jacksonville this week. And Kaimie Fairbairn, who had a nice week last week, he has a lower body injury, a kicker for Houston, and Ricky Pearsall status is still unknown. All right, football fans, picture this. You bet on your favorite player to score the first touchdown in the game, but his teammate scores

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All right, we're going to take a quick break. We'll get back to, we'll come back with our buy lows and sell highs. Actually, let's, you know what? The audience has been good. So let's get to Dave's bilos, and then we'll take a break, and then we'll get more bylaws and sell highs and all that. But, Dave, give me a couple of bilos. First one is a cheap running back that you can get

if you've been desperate to add somebody. And it's someone that I'm surprised to be saying it's Aaron Jones. On the wrong side of 30, he's actually going to be 31-year. years old in December. But before he got hurt last week, played 23 of 30 snaps for the Vikings. He scored 11.8 PPR points. That's against Detroit in Detroit. He had 15.7 PPR points week one.

It looks like he's going to be okay to play this week for Minnesota. I would target him if I already had Jordan Mason and I still needed some running back help. If you were excited to get Devin Singletary off the waiver wire, you shouldn't have to give up too much to get Aaron Jones. in a trade. He's got a top eight projected schedule, rest of season. That helps. And it wasn't even on the trade chart last week. So he's not going to be somebody who should cost a lot in a deal. He's got a stretch of Washington, Dallas, and the Giants. That's so good, but he'll be still healthy by then. Right. That's the biggest thing is can he survive the wear and terror of being what looks like the 1A back for Minnesota? And I doubt he gets goal line

carries like Jordan Mason can still do that. But he started last week, look good last week. You're just trying to get somebody who can help you get through the rest of the season as an RB2. And by the way, the fact that injury risk is a concern, that's baked into what you should have to pay for him in a deal. So would you advise making a very small offer for Jordan Mason too, just with the idea of he may be cut on some teams? You can even give up less for Mason. I just I don't have any confidence in starting Jordan Mason unless it was one of those matchups that Adam was talking about where there's either going to be a lot of points score

that feels like the Dallas game or a matchup where Minnesota just might march their way to victory like against Washington. Yeah, I guess the upside would be is like you're trading for somebody, again, nothing. And you're waiting out the Aaron Jones injury because he comes back, he gets a significant workload and all of a sudden he's hurt again.

Yeah, it could happen. I was going to ask, though, do we still look at Dallas on the schedule for a running back and think it's a good matchup? I think it's even better for Jones than it would be for Mason, since Quinn and Williams, theoretically, is going to clog the interior. I mean, let's just be honest for a second here. They traded for two guys that run two teams that couldn't stop the run to begin with. Yeah, Logan Wilson is the one that's interesting. And they're getting to Marian overshone back too. Yeah, I mean, it's obviously.

It could get significantly better, but I don't know if I'm buying it. It's obviously better, but to the point of, like, I'm running away from the Cowboys defense, now, no. No, okay. I was just asking. Well, I'm still going to throw on the Cowboys. Dave, your other, um, your other by-low is DK-Half. Yeah, I settled on him. He's got eight or fewer PPR points in two of his past three games.

That's not good. But 16 and a half PPR or more in three of his past five. Steelers did not add a wide receiver at the trade deadline. So he's still in line to be the number one target getter, could have some high volume games coming forward. Top 12 projected schedule helps. It does get a little worse once you get to Detroit and Cleveland in week 16 and 17, and it's still the slow-paced Steelers, but at least he's got Aaron Rogers, who's been mostly very accurate this year. Not a lot of off-target throws from Rogers. And I know that Jalen Warren had two touchdowns last week had a great game.

Not sure if I'm buying that the Steelers are suddenly a good running team moving forward. So another wide receiver that I think you can acquire relatively cheap. You're going to have pay more for Mechaff than you would for Aaron Jones. Okay. All right, we'll take a break. We'll come back with some more bylaws, cell highs. By the way, Jacob Gibbs is going to join us later on in the show to give some advanced metrics, and we'll be right back.

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Mayor of Kingstown, new season now streaming on Paramount Plus. We asked the chat, who's the biggest winner from the trade deadline? Shikobi Myers, I don't think we agree on that. I mean, I guess it's good just to him to get out of Las Vegas. I don't think it'll be worse. Yeah, that's a good point.

The Jets. And Taysam Hill. Do we have a clarification on Brian Thomas? Was it a high ankle? According to Schefter, it's a low-grade high-ankle sprain. He could play this week. That's not confusing. That's a big difference.

Some guys come back from the high-ankle sprain, they don't miss time. The bad high-ankle sprains are, you know, four to six weeks, Tadje Spears. Well, if he has a high-enkel sprain that bothers him for a month, but it's low enough grade that he's able to play through it, I think Jacobi Myers will be the number one wide receiver on that. Yes, that's a great way. I think in the case of the compensation that they gave up for a team that has not ruled out Travis Hunter yet or Brian Thomas for this week or Diommy Brown for this week, also remember, he's in the concussion protocol, they paid a pretty hefty price for a guy that's a rental and not exactly a superstar. Yeah. Well, they could always re-sign them. But does that make sense for what they have already on their roster?

It depends on what they pay them, but you're right. Like, they can't give them a superstar's contract given what they have unless there are. already plotting to move on from Brian Thomas Jr. Okay. And yeah, some people saying that Jack Bash and Trey Tucker could be the biggest winner. I think that's kind of where we were at. Alave was the main.

Can I say one thing on the Raiders? Yeah. They used a ton of two tight end formations last week. And if they keep doing that, you're not going to see a lot of Bash and Thornton on the field. Neither one of them even played last week. So Dynasty, no question. They belong on a bench.

Redraft leagues, even deeper redraft leagues. I would wait to see what happens this week first. But I agree on Trey Tucker. Dude's been playing outside all season long. As ADOT's gone down over his last three games, that's a little worrisome. But if he's going to get six or seven targets per game, could end up being decent some weeks. Could be in that number three flex range.

He's the one constant. You're right, Dave, because for some reason, they want to continue to play Tyler Lockett over the younger guys. Right. They just got him. All right, Jamie, let's go to your by-lows. A couple of wide receivers. Zay Flowers. Heath had him as a by-low last week.

So I think there's just, we love, he's getting so many targets on a target share percentage, but obviously it's tough with Baltimore. And then A.J. Brown, save Flowers and A.J. Brown. Yeah, I mean, for Flowers, I know where Heath was going last week. He made so much sense, you know, with Lamar Jackson coming back and, you know,

what he was at the beginning of the season. And just taking that a step forward. He's coming off a disappointing game. You know, we had high expectations for him against Miami and he didn't play well. And then you just look at the end of season schedule and it's very favorable for him. So if he can sort of live in that 14-point

point per game range as a floor without scoring touchdowns and then maybe gets a few more touchdown opportunities we could be looking at a wide receiver one to close the season so if you can find the you know zay flowers manager that's hovering around 500 or worse and has a need someplace else and you could fill that need you know then try and make that trade if they have wide receiver depth because flowers was drafted as a low and number two high and number three receiver and may have some that manager may have some options on their team in the case of a j brown actually i think i had him on this list last week as well uh just because they were on a buy and so hoping that he's going to be healthy.

Same thing I said last week. End of season schedule is fantastic for him. We know that he was still getting targets. He just was not producing at the level that we're used to seeing. And if he's right, hamstrings healthy can still be that guy. I think we're to see the Eagles. I don't buy that their rushing offense is fixed. The rushing attack is fixed just because Sequin Barclay had that great game against Giants.

So we could see a little bit more opportunities for him, or similar opportunities for him like we had earlier in the season. And I'll take my chances with that if I can get him at a reduced call. cost because he's clearly been, as we're seeing, somebody just said in the chat, AJ Clown, you know, people are frustrated with what AJ Brown has failed to deliver this season. Hopefully, he can finish the season strong. AJ Clown? Yeah, he's getting a lot of targets.

And I like the fact that they have a lot of good offenses left on their schedule. And it might lead to games where Jalen Hertz has to throw at least 30 times. Green Bay. Their defense now is just so dominant. That's true, but still, like Green Bay, Detroit, Dallas, Chicago. Chargers, Raiders, commanders, bills in the fantasy championship. It's like, I don't care how good

the defenses are. If they throw the ball, they're going to have success. Just need to be able to just, like, don't have games like the Giants game where just Barclay's going crazy and they're running a ton. And then Heath, you've got Teteroa McMillan who is currently wide receiver 35 per game and Dak Prescott.

Yeah, it's just, like, Tederole Macmillan has a 42% air yard share this year. There's one wide receiver in the NFL that has a higher share. Everybody probably knows who it is. You want to guess? JSN. Of course. And I just think for a rookie wide receiver who has definitely underperformed

with underlying metrics, I'm always going to be willing to bet that that guy is going to improve. And so you said he's wide receiver 35. If you can buy at wide receiver 30 cost, I think that would be a good bet. His metrics look like, and it's one of the reasons that a lot of people just keep ranking them as a no doubt number two start wide receiver because that's what the metrics look like. And so I'm going to bet that those are going to pay off. And if they don't, it's still a bet that I think's worth making. If Jake Ferguson is your only tight end and you need a wide receiver, would you give up Ferguson for Tedaroa McMillan?

Who's on the waiver wire? Mason Taylor is the best tied-in. Mason Taylor and Joanne Johnson are on the waiver wire. Yeah, I think I'd do that. Okay. I'd definitely do that. 100%. Same.

Go do that. Dak Prescott. Speaking of Jake Ferguson, they've both had two very bad games in a row. I'm more confident that Dak's going to bounce back than I am, that Ferguson's going to bounce back. I just haven't seen anything from Dak that suggests to me that he's going to play bad the rest of this season.

And he has CD Lamb, George Pickens, and Jake Ferguson. I would expect him to be a top six to eight quarterback the rest of the season. I was just about to ask you that. Yeah. Does the schedule bother you? And let's go through the schedule here because he has some good past defenses. Got to buy at Las Vegas. Great.

Philadelphia, Kansas City at home. At Detroit, when they're healthy, they're pretty good. Minnesota, Chargers. And then at Washington in Week 17 is great. But it's not a, it's not one of those schedules. He's going to tear this up. He's got some tough defenses there. The thing is, like, five of those teams might score 40 points against the Cowboys.

Yeah, or all of them. All of them might. But, like, it's some of the best offenses in the NFL against the Cowboys defense, which I think the – I do think their run defense is going to be better. And their past defense is still going to be atrocious. And that's actually better for a deck because the last thing you want is him sitting on the sideline while a team runs at 16 times at five yards of pop and goes 80. yards and takes 12 minutes off the clock. I think teams will score much faster than that against the Cowboys.

And so he should be involved in shootouts. And I would expect much better production. All right, let's transition over to our cell highs. But to recap, Dave has Aaron Jones and D.K. Metcalf as bylaws, I'm pretty low on them. Jamie has Zay Flowers and A.J. Brown. Heath has Tedderole McMillan, who says, you know, pay wide receiver 30 costs for him. He could be better than that. Dak Prescott. Heath, so high? Yeah, I've only got one of those, and I've said it like six

times this season, so I'm going to say it again. It's coming off of a bad game, but it was still a 17-point game. I am really pretty terrified by Daniel Jones' upcoming schedule. He plays in Berlin against the team that ranks number eight against quarterbacks, and I know they haven't been as good lately, but they did hold Drake made a 20 fantasy points, which is about 80% of his season average and it's in a dome but it's not in Indianapolis then he goes on by then he goes to Kansas City then he gets a home game or is it is it not Kansas City right after that Dave I'm double checking on Berlin being a dome I think it might Berlin is a open it's got out of the it is a open top attractive roof or just like I don't know if it's true I googled it that it used

to be an open roof and they put a dome on it. The picture I saw it last night, the picture I saw last night's thing is Olympia something's name. Olympia Stadium. Yeah. I'm probably good for that. I'm sorry. Berlin. It looks like Dallas. Gotcha.

Regardless. Then he's at Kansas City. It's definitely not a dome. He gets a home game. And guess what? It's against the number one past defense in the NFL, the Houston Texans. Then he goes back on the road for two more games. Okay. I'm not sure you're going to.

to want to start, like Daniel Jones will probably have a couple of 20-point games in that stretch. I'm not sure you're going to want to start him in the next five weeks. All right. So listen, he's coming off a horrible game, right? And people might be thinking, you know, the pumpkin joke that you and I both made. I'd rather have Jack Prescott. But hold on. But what if we say, would you sell high on Michael Pittman, who is on fire right now, getting a lot of targets looking great? Does this extend to him? If you could get top 12 wide receiver value, then yes. I think you can.

If somebody, if you have, like, I think he's probably still a number two wide receiver. Who would you rather have rest of season? Michael Pittman, rank these guys. Michael Pittman, Zay Flowers, A.J. Brown. That's a good. I've got it in the order you set it on the trade chart. Oh, wow. And it's probably going to be that order even, absent of the trade chart.

I would go Flowers, Pittman, Brown. I've got it brown, flowers, Pittman. I wish you guys I would try and buy low on Pittman from you guys I don't think he's going to be a complete disaster Well I don't think Brown or Flowers is going to be I don't think all these guys I like all three of these guys

I think Pittman's got the most upside of the three For the rest of the season I just I'm a little concerned about Zay Flowers He doesn't score And this is nothing new He doesn't get targeted there I understand that that could easily change He's got two games in his entire career

With more than I want to say 13 or 14 fantasy points with fewer than seven targets. And obviously they're going to want to run the ball a lot. So I like him, but I think he'd be last to me on this list because they just, they just don't throw enough, not even close. Well, he doesn't score, but if he scores, if he matches his career totals, he's got three or four touchdowns coming in the next eight weeks. I hope so.

I think AJ Brown's got more than that. I'm big on AJ Brown. I had Brown ahead of flowers. Yeah, I know. High five. An injured AJ Brown, or at least in AJ Brown, where, we don't know how healthy he is easily is last on this list. Once we know, and then we don't know, if we get reports that he's fine and he's not even

on the practice reports this week for Philadelphia, then it's worth changing your tune. And you can put him over flowers, you could put him over Pittman. But he's, he just, he hasn't been the same receiver consistently week after week in 2025. And that worries me. The fact that he was hurt going into the bi worries me. If he saw on the injury report coming out of the bi, that really worries me. and not for nothing.

I guess it's not fair to say Devante Smith has outplayed him this year, at least in terms of fantasy points, because he's played one more game, but Devante Smith has looked pretty good this year too. Okay, fair enough. I mean, the injury definitely, I guess I didn't consider that enough.

So he says, Daniel Jones is so high. Jamie, you say Brock Bowers and a Mecca Abuka. So in the case of Bowers, you have to get clearly a King's Ransom in return. But we, and, And clearly he's going to benefit to whatever capacity of losing a receiver on the team. But the schedule is brutal.

And the tight end position for however long this will last is robust. And you might be able to manage your way through it with whoever you picked up in the absence of Brock Bowers and then get something at another position that could really benefit you. So I'm not giving him away by any stretch. And I don't think he's going to completely struggle when the matchups are tougher. But that being said, if you can get something amazing in return from, or two amazing players in return for him, because I still think that could happen, you should explore that. I just think that we may have just had his best game. And it was awesome. And he's capable of doing that. But again, you know, it just may be trending down from here to whatever sliding scale we get to with him. Would you trade him, looking at the most traded list, would you trade Brock Bowers for Orande,

Gatston and Marvin Harrison, Jr. Nope. I would definitely consider that if my receiving core sucked, but I would probably look for a better receiver. But that's the type of trade you want to make. You want to get a tight end that's playing well. That could be in the top 10 range and a receiver that's going to give you some sort of, you know, quality practice.

All right, Heath, would you do that if it was McMillan? No. Would you do it if it was A.J. Brown? No. Wow. Well, but Heath is also driving the bus of the Bronwyn. Bowers bandwagon so i got to ask keith to i was about it was a fanning and a j brown what fanning and jrown no i think fanning and gadsden are very very similar rest of the season i think those guys

are probably going to score 11 or 12 fantasy points per game the rest of the way and i listen bowers played the first three quarters of week one and he had a 30 percent target share he came back in week 10 he had a 34 percent target share or week nine and then they traded away jacobby Myers. I think he's probably two points per game better than Trey McBride and six or seven points a game better than Fanon and gets. But for what it's worth, they have a terrible schedule. Right. Denver, Dallas, Cleveland, Chargers, Denver, Philadelphia, Houston, Giants in week 17. I don't know if it matters. I'm going to go back to what I said about Daniel Jones earlier this week. I think pass rush matters the most here because if Gino's comfortable, he's going to be able to fire accurately to Brock Bowler.

all day long. And Bowers prove that even if it's a pass, it's a little off. He can still like wedge it in between. He can like chicken wing it with his arm and fall booty first in the end zone and score a touchdown with tight coverage on him like he had last week. But Jacksonville didn't bring the pass rush. They lost Trayvon Walker in the middle of the game. Gino was comfortable. Brock Bowers had a monster game. And I am reading on berlin experiences.com that the stadium is now covered by an immense roof that seems to float over the spectators. It is. It's almost like Hard Rock Stadium down here in Florida, Heath, where the spectators are covered,

but the field is not. I think what you're trying to say, Heath, is that Stadion is now mit an end up bedek. Okay? So I think glad we put that to rest. So if it rains, Dave, you think that they will get wet off the food? Daniel Jones will get wet, yes. Does that mean he melts and scores only nine fans? points against the falcons i don't know i think we have a german do we have a german in the chat

that can confirm or to that i did i think what you're trying to say is daniel jones wierd nas wierden he will get wet i do like that you're at least using a german accent unlike dave who said olympic stadium the spanish as yes i know what was that i'm a big american rube sorry all right uh sorry i don't have a great german accent are we getting are we getting that is the game of the week again? Oh, yeah. Von Spieldi Volkia, whatever the hell it is. Oh, yeah, he's already practiced it

if he knows some of the words already. All right. So, Jamie, a mecca, a buca as a cell high. How would you compare him to Zayflowers and A.J. Brown, who are your Bialos? I mean, at this point, I'd rather have a Bucca. Rest of season, we'll see what happens. Because, again, they're going to get, at some point,

Chris Godwin back, end of season. They may get Mike Evans back, but that's going to be a factor. But the schedule stuff. And so when you look at the end of season schedule, like is he going to continue to produce at the same level? And we see this all the time, especially going from year one to year two. Look what Brian Thomas is dealing with.

Wide receivers sometimes get figured out. And teams sometimes get figured out. And we've seen a little bit of a lull with a Bucca. I wonder if just the book on him now is out and teams are figuring out a little bit how to defend him. I don't think, again, you're sitting him. We know this week's going to be a little bit tougher now for him, you know, just looking at the matchup.

for the bucks. But in the case of what you can get in return, again, you're trying to get something great in return for this. So I think you might be able to get, in certain the case, AJ Brown, you might be able to get Brown in something else for Abuka, especially if Brown continues to miss time. And maybe in the case of flowers, too.

So again, you're just trying to sell at max value for Bowers and for Abuca. I don't know if you missed the window in terms of max value, but I still think if we get word that Godwin's out and he's still the guy, which clearly he is, then you might just. just be able to get something that might help you a little bit more down the stretch, because I don't really love the schedule for Tampa Bay tendencies. I wonder if the injury that he suffered, what was it, not three weeks ago, four weeks ago, has been the real reason why Tampa's passing game

has been like harpooned over their last two games. Well, one of them, they just ran against New Orleans. Yeah, that's true. I don't think you can count that against them. That's fair. But the Detroit game, for example, like, I remember going into it, we weren't even sure if he was going to play. Yep.

I don't know if Abuka's been the same. same guy. Here's another receiver. I can't wait to see what the practice reports are like this week. He comes out of the buy and there's nothing wrong. What was it? A hamstring, Jamie? Do you remember what it was? Yeah. It was a hamstring. Thank you, Jamie. So if it's going to be that for a Mecca, Bucca, and he's okay and there's no problems, then I would have high expectations for a Bucca rest of season. Adam, well, I was researching Olympic Stadium in Berlin. Did you, and I don't think you did because I think you were only speaking in German. Did you put Ibuka on the A.J. Brown, Zay Flowers, Michael Pittman?

I did. Jamie said he'd rather have Abuka. Like, selling high on Bowers and Abuka makes me a little nervous because these guys have opportunities to win you your league, and they've been so good. I did note the schedule for both of them does kind of stink. Can they rise above that? You know, I definitely think Bowers could. Just tight ends, like great defenses sometimes they, it's not necessarily translated into how they do against tight ends. I get it with Abuka. especially like difference-making tight ends.

Just knowing what we know about the buck's offense the last two years, from the end of 2023 until now, it's so, Baker Mayfield's so good. He's struggling a little bit now. You know what? My friend texted me with a really interesting abuka trade. Would you give up Olave, Abuka, and Swift for Jamar Chase?

I think it's too much for Chase. how many teams in the league? 12 team league and he doesn't really have a good RB2 so he'd be giving up Swift whose values has to be down

right now would think Olaave Abuka and Swift for Chase If you're running back situation's hurting then I wouldn't do it I know it's exciting to have Chase on your team

but Abuca it's a lot to get up with him he can ask for a lowish end running back in return All right Dave you have two minutes Maybe somebody better than Aaron Jones anyway

You have two minutes to tell me why we're selling high on Kyron Williams and Ashton Jen. Well, with Kyron, he's been a game script and touchdown dependent running back on a team with an MVP quarterback candidate. He's on the Rams with the fourth highest red zone pass rate this year. They're closer to the middle of the pack from inside the five.

That's still bad for Kyron Williams, by the way. He's coming off one of his best games of the year. First time this season with over 20 carries, second time with over 18 carries. Bottom 10 projected schedule rest of season. San Francisco, Seattle, Tampa. Those are his next three. Detroit and Seattle and Atlanta. in the fantasy playoffs.

I've got him still pretty high just because running backs tend to carry more value in the trade chart, but he had this big game, he didn't move up. I got a ton of complaints from people saying,

why didn't you move him up? He had a big game. It's because I think the schedule moving forward is tough. And I think the situation's a lot different for him than it might have been two seasons ago. Certainly in any of the past,

you know, two years of play when Stafford hasn't had this kind of awesome receiving core. And that's been few and far between. But Kyron Williams is someone him that I would consider selling high on, maybe having that is the same value as Devante and McConkey on the trade chart, but I'd love to really pair Kyron Williams with another player and move up and get that elite player. Use Kyron plus something else to get Jamar Chase or

Bejohn Robinson or Jemir Gibbs. Gibbs is coming off of a clunker. You can go and get him. Genti had a good game last week. Thanks for was receiving. The 19.9 PPR points was the second best total on the year. He's been under 15 ppr points in four games, under 17 and six games. He's not delivering on that first round value. Three and a half yards per carry are worse in each of his past three games. That includes the game against Jacksonville last week, obviously, and Tennessee a few weeks ago. Bottom five projected schedule. Brock Bowers is back.

He looks awesome. I feel like any time Genty has a big game, you should be open to trying and upgrade on him. Do the exact same thing that I just said with Kyron Williams. See if you can turn him into something more. I do have Kyron higher than Genty rest of season and on the trade chart. So I have Kyron one spot ahead of Jentee. I wonder what running backs do you have ahead of those two? Or how many?

Not all the names, but just like, are they like top 12 running back? Kyrin is still top 12 for me. Genti is 16th. One guy that I had a hell of a time trying to figure out what the value was on Rico Dowdell. Like I was going to ask you guys about this because he's coming off this big game. And yes, the Panthers believe in him and had a great matchup against the power. It wasn't a great match against Packers. and he completely shut him down.

How should people view him? Is he a top 12 running back moving forward? I think that's too rich. He's definitely a top 20 running back moving forward. I put him right around that same range as Genty. I've got him ahead of pretty much every running back that's beat up or just is clearly not as good as Doubtle could be rest of season. Please tell me that Adam or Jamie started a stop watch when Adam said you have two minutes.

Oh, yeah, that's actually going to have said that. He just, he could have said anything. I was going to yell at Dave in German, but I actually couldn't get a worded because he just went right into Gentie from Kyrod Williams. We talked about Dowdell as a top 10 running back as a buyer's sell on Beyond the Box score on Monday. And I think we went through the guys. Here are the top 12 running backs per game right now. Christian McCaffrey, Jonathan Taylor, Bejohn, Jacobs, A. Chan, James Cook, Javante Williams, Bucky Irving, obviously not that many games.

Well, stop right there. I'd rather have out of the room. Jemir Gibbs, Kairn Williams, DeAndre Swift, Seekwon, Barclay. You could put Dowdell ahead of some of them, but I don't think he's top 10. I don't think he's top 12. It's probably more like 15th. You still haven't gotten to Derek Henry on this list. Still haven't gotten to Ashton Genty.

But I think I would go Kyron Dowdell Genty rest of season. That's, Dowdell and Gentier are tied on the trade chart, but that's basically how I have it. All right. Listen, this is a good discussion, but unfortunately, we do have to move on. Jacob coming on later, and we got a preview Thursday night football. He's here. Jacob, you're going to have to wait. Sorry.

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All right. Okay, I need to make a correction, something I said incorrectly earlier this week. I said, Courtney Sutton did not catch his touchdown on Derek Stingley. He, in fact, did catch his touchdown on Derek Stingley, was his only catch of the game. All right, with that said, Jamie layout, Las Vegas at Denver, easy calls, tough calls. What do you think? Fun fact, Bo Nix's first ever 20-point fantasy game came against the. the Las Vegas Raiders last season.

He had 27 points against them. He's been 23 or more points in each of the two games against them that he's faced. And I'll keep saying it, his last 12 home games, he's averaging over 28 fantasy points per game in Denver. So last two games we saw him was 75 points against the Giants and Cowboys. So at home, he's great. He's got top five upside. Cortland Sutton gets freed of that defense that he faced last week. He's back to a must-start wide receiver.

I think even if Marvin Mims plays, Troy Franklin with his targets, I think it's now 20. in his last three games, easily worth starting as a number three receiver. You know, could clearly be a number two receiver if you want to, you know, take the matchup and what he's capable of doing. So I love this setup for him. Evan Ingram, I think just is what he is, a number three, a number two tight end, but just too many good options to the position to even say he's worth considering as a must-star guy, but the matchup I don't think is something that you fear.

And then in the case of the running backs, I think you're starting J.K. Dobbins this week. he should get back on track. And R.J. Harvey, just based on how he's being used and hopefully continues to be, can be in the flex conversation, especially with four teams on a buy. Can we do the Raiders, too, or no? Let's do the Broncos here. Bo Nix or Baker Mayfield against New England? Bonix.

Bo Nix or Caleb Williams against the Giants? Bonix. I have Bo Nix one spot ahead of Caleb Williams. I've got Caleb higher. Both top ten. You know, how about just those two games, right? You got Tampa Bay, New England, Chicago, and the Giants. Where's Bo Nix rank in those five quarterbacks?

That would be DART, Caleb, Baker, and May. You can make a case that Nix is better than all of them. I have DART as the start of the week this week, so I haven't one spot ahead of Bo Nix. So, DART, Nix, Caleb Baker for me. You forgot May. I said May, sorry, but I said it quickly. DART May, Nicks, Caleb Baker. DART, DART, William.

May, and then for now I have Baker ahead of bow necks. All right, but we like bonnet. I mean, we like all these guys, right? All top 12. Good quarterback to start this week. Okay, Sutton, it has been a bit of a disappointing season for him.

Jamie, you said, let's go back to him. Top 24 guy this week, guys, Cortland Sutton? Yeah, top 12. Top 12? Okay. Would you start Sutton or give you a running back? Sutton or Quinn

John Judkins at the Jets. I love Judkins this week, so I'd go Judkins. If Juggins was 100% healthy, he was going to meet my start of the week. How about Breece Hall? Tough matchup. I'd start Sutton Overhaul. I wouldn't. I'd go, Bruce.

All right. You know what? He's top 12. Just start Cortland Sutton. Get him in your lineup. Troy Franklin or Wondale Robinson, the ultimate flex. I like Robinson better, but I like both. Wondale.

Wondale, especially if catches count. Okay. So far, the Raiders, they give up the fifth most fantasy points to wide receivers. 11 wide receivers have scored 11.4 or more PPR fantasy points against the Raiders. Yeah. I think one of the most insane stats is that Troy Franklin has a higher target share than Cortland's on this year. Yeah. That's just absurd.

He gets a lot of targets near the end zone, too. But he also has one of the lowest yards per target among all wide receivers with 30 or more targets. He has been wildly inefficient. among 70 wide receivers with 30 or more targets. Franklin's 51st in yards per route run. He's 62nd in yards per target. He's been pretty bad with his targets. And, okay, how about the running backs?

How about Dobb? I know Harvey. Harvey's got a touchdown catch in three straight games. I will tell you, maybe a trend to watch. He had a season-high route participation rate, much higher than anything we've seen, and he ran a lot more routes on first and second down, whereas J.K. Dobbins only ran four routes on first and second down.

So I don't know. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. J.K. Dobbins runs routes. On first and second down, he might run like 12 or something a game. He only ran four last week. Doesn't he have like 13 targets on the year? I don't know if he has that many. He probably has 10 catches.

So, yeah. But this was a good usage for Harvey last week. But I don't know if that was maybe the two-minute drill at the end of the regulation, whatever. But something to keep an eye on. But anyway, Dobbins, he's been rough lately. three of his last four games, nine or fewer PPR fantasy points.

Dave, do you like him? The Raiders actually have a decent run defense. They have a decent run defense, but they see a ton of runs. Partially, it wasn't the case last week, but before last week it was more because their offense stunk and teams could just let the air out of the ball and run on them.

Jacksonville still ran the ball a lot. They cracked them in the second half in a big way. E.T.N. second half was really, really good. I'm okay with Dobbins. I probably haven't ranked too high at this. point in the week and I'll move them down, but still going to make the top 24. And Harvey's a decent, like,

I'm going to call him a desperation running back in line of decisions, but you could turn to him and hope that he can get you north of eight PPR points. Okay, so J.K. Dobbins or Wondell Robinson? I kind of feel like Wondale is the answer in full PPR.

Wondale and PPR, Dobbins, and nine and a half. I've got Dobbins at 13. point six they are like almost literally tied in my full PPR projections

how about Dobbins or DJ Moore against the Giants Dobbins Dobbins probably Dobbins unless are we

are we counting on DJ Moore being a quarterbacking it Dobbins Dobbins or Jamison Williams at Washington Dobbins

Oh yeah Dobbins I agree it's it's just that his floor is so gross all right who James and Williams James James James no I get it like if you're going to take the safe play

you'll take what it'll be like eight or nine points in PPR and non-PPR from J.K. Dobbins Jay Heath give me your thoughts on the Raiders in a tough matchup I'm Janty's a low end RB2 Bowers is my number one tied end

Trey Tucker is a I think low wind wide receiver three or high in like he really fits well in that boom or bust flex range i'd feel a lot better about him there okay would you start Tucker or franklin i have franklin just ahead i have franklin pretty far ahead i have franklin pretty far ahead as well okay would you start Dobbins or Gentie? Dobbins. Genty.

I think Gentie has more upsets. Especially, you know, we saw this when Bowers was out. He had a spike in the passing game. Maybe that happens now with Myers now gone to. And he did catch the ball, what, five catch this week? Yeah, he had a spike last week and Bowers was back. He did have a five catch game earlier this year.

I think I had one catch in the next game. It's so important for him. It really just, as Dave mentioned, he's not running the ball efficiently. not just for him for them like they need to throw him

the bowl they need to find ways to get him in space I've seen a lot of stuff about how like Ashton Gentie's

a bust and he's clearly not good everything I've watched Ashton Genties awesome yeah it's a terrible

situation but I don't have any doubts about him and dynasty all I got some questions here first of all

a German guy says the Olympic Stadium is not fully closed the spectators are covered but the field

is not thank you I will lower Daniel Jones Dobbins or Kamani Vidal That's a great question I have Dobbins is a little bit higher Vidal gets Pittsburgh

I'd start both running backs over Vidal Okay, Gentie and Dodds Franklin or Kenan Allen have PPR It's close I probably still go Kenan just because of how bad the Steelers secondary is Agreed Wouldn't surprise me if Franklin's better

Yeah, Kenan Franklin or DJ Moore Franklin I've got DJ more Franklin and Dobbins or Benson rest of season if we knew Benson was back

I might go Benson just because of the upside but at this point until if you go wait till today to find out then see yeah as soon as Benson's back I'll take Benson start the Broncos DST

please and that's going to do it for Thursday night football nah nah nah nah nah okay let's bring on a buddy let's bring out Jacob Gibbs what's going on Jacob welcome to the show hey thanks for having me yes I wanted to get Jacob on because he's got all this great information and it can't just be for the beyond the box score diehards okay like we deserve it too um before we do that there's

something that we are long overdue for Dave I understand you wanted to hop off when did I know no no interest in talking to Jacob also Jacob will be on FFT Dynasty in about two hours that's right excellent busy day um We are due some FFT Open updates. Oh, yeah, that sounds great. Yeah, so I'm going to pull up all of our divisions, including the Jacob Gibbs divisions. I've got Brock Bowers, baby.

Oh, excellent, excellent. I am struggling at 4 and 5. But, no, I think I have a good team. I just, you know, we'll be okay. Dave, let's see, this is the Heath Division. Olavi they name. Oh, 7 and 2, Heath. Good for you.

That's why I was so enthusiastic. It's one of the four leagues I'm having a good year. You are tied with Aaron Smith in first place. Jamie, or the Dave Division here, Dave is in third place at six and three. Very good. First place there is Ben Young. Who's his record? He's seven and two.

He sucks. Jacob is six and three. You guys are doing great. You're in fourth place. With Bauer's and, you're in fourth place. Ooh, very nice. Jamie Sanders is in first place. in your division.

In Jamie's division, Jamie is 5 and 4. He is in 4th place. First place there is Alex R. and Eric Bronson. They are the Inglorious Staffords. Great shot at all of us making the playoffs in each of our FFT Open divisions. Could you refresh us?

Oh, did you say where you're doing at him? I'm 4 and 5. I actually, I really like my team. It's pretty good. I think I have a chance to make a little bit of a run. It would help if Hampton would come back, but that's not going to happen. This kind of reminds me of our podcast league standing.

where I think Jamie is eight and one and Dave and I are both seven and two or Dave's eight and one and Jamie and I are both seven and two. You guys are crushing it. And honestly, I just don't bring up the FFT league that we're in or the guillotine league that we're in

or the Dynasty League that we're in, please. I have an incredible team in the podcast league, but we got super injured and I'm not taking any responsibility for my four and five record and I will make the playoffs and I'm going to go on a run.

Could you refresh everyone's memory? Because I know there's a lot of FFT open playoff teams that are listening right now, how that works? Yes. So the playoffs in the FFT Open, the top four teams in each division make it, the number one seed has a first round by,

the two, three, and four basically play each other, and the highest score there will get the first, the number one seed the next week. That is week 14 for the first round, and then week 15 is the second round of the playoffs in the individual league. We'll then have 24, you know, division winners. They will all compete in week 16.

I believe we're taking the top eight, maybe the top 12. I have to look at the rules. Top eight or 12 highest scores, they will advance to week 17, and the highest score there wins the FFT open. Now, Jacob has been sitting there patiently. And Jacob, I brought you on for some good advanced metrics. So let's talk. What is on your mind?

First, I wanted to say that RICO DADL, running back 12 is where I've got them. We're going to get some rest of season stuff, but didn't want to lead with that. I didn't know if Dave was able to stay or not, and he seemed to be curious about where Rico landed. I think that's about right. Okay, so yeah, I wanted to give you some accuracy stats. This is charted by the Fantasy Points data team, and I think this stuff is really cool, and some of it might surprise you and some of it is pertinent to the trade deadline news that we just got.

So I'm going to throw this up on the screen. What I'm going to show you here is it's a lot to chew on. It's quarterback comparisons for the past four games for each of these quarterbacks, not necessarily the past month, but the past four games for each of these quarterbacks. The top eight represented here are the actual top eight. And you'll see Caleb Williams and Bryce Young at the bottom as well, just because I made this graphic for Beyond the Box score. And Dan and I talk about those quarterbacks all the time.

But you might notice, so I've got these are catchable targets, is the far left column there, catchable air yards, the average depth of target on catchable targets. the number of catchable deep targets per game and the number of catchable in-zone targets per game is what's up on the screen here. You might notice Trevor Lawrence's catchable air yards per game number is higher than any quarterback in the NFL over the past month. Can I read the list just for the listeners out there?

Yeah. All right, so this is basically the most accurate quarterbacks over the last four games? Something like that. I'm going to give you that actual list. This is more, like, that rub me the wrong way because it's not like if you throw way more passes, then your number is going to be higher.

that doesn't necessarily mean the most accurate you know what i'm saying uh herbert lawrence flacco stafford may daniel jones darnald hurts yes lawrence being number two on this list and yeah what were you saying the most accurate the most uh go ahead go ahead what we're saying about lawrence this is important the most catchable air yards per game over the past four games belongs to Trevor lawrence if you have a game where you produce 200 or more catchable air yards that's a really good offensive environment um and so maybe you get there like drake may through incredible accuracy or someone like Lawrence or maybe Flacco a little bit. It's like tons and tons of attempts.

Either way, it's really, really good for the receivers. You'll see Flacco's catchable targets per game number is 34, which is way higher than any other quarterback in this range. And again, this is only for the past four games. So I'll leave that up there and you guys can look at it. And I'm going to give you some more specific stuff. So I've got here highly accurate throw rate on throws of 10 or more air yards over the course of the full season.

They also chart catchable targets. This is highly accurate throws. And I just love this list because it points towards Sam Darnold and how good he's been. If you notice on this chart, Sam Darnold's average depth of targets 9.6 yards. He's producing three catchable deep targets per game. He's really unlocking all areas of the field.

And over the course of the whole year, he has a 61% highly accurate throw rate on throws of 10 or more air yards. That's the highest in the league. is the only quarterback who's even close and his sample size is much smaller because he missed time. Lamar's rate is 58%. The third highest rate over the course of the full season is Joe Flacco at 52% tied with

Justin Herbert and then Drake May is the only other quarterback above 50%. Highly accurate throw rate on throws that traveled 10 more yards in the air past the line of scrimmage. So just wanted to highlight those guys, of course, with the Rashid Shaheed trade, I think that's really relevant that Darnold has been so good. But then also I think the Trevor Lawrence stuff is really, really interesting and could be a pretty good environment for Jacobi Myers, Parker Washington, whoever you're interested in there. I mean, he hasn't been perfect, of course. Trevor Lawrence frustrates us, but like there have been a lot of yards left

on the field by the receivers dropping the ball this year. Yes. Yeah. I wish I saw guys more shootouts potentially for Sam Darnold or more just cake matchups. We know he's playing at an incredible level but he doesn't have I mean he's got the Rams twice. He's got the Colts but there's Tennessee, Atlanta,

Minnesota, Carolina in Week 17, Arizona. I don't know that these are teams that are going to stress Seattle's defense to the point where he's going to have to throw 30 times. Just those four touchdowns in the first half it doesn't matter. Yeah, I would say just the the benefit to that is they can't run the ball right now.

I don't know that they can't run the ball, but I agree. But like Washington last week, Washington's maybe the worst pass defensive in football. And they lost three defensive backs last week. Now, May is another guy. May does have Cincinnati. He has the Giants who score some points. He has Buffalo.

He has Baltimore. He's got Tampa Bay this week. May has been a really low volume guy. I mean, two games of more than 30 pass attempts, the only two losses of the year for them. so that's a guy that he might start throwing more that could benefit Diggs and these other Henry even

Sure and there's no question about the state of their running game compared to even Seattle They've got some potential shootouts down the stretch too Right yeah I think this point is really interesting from Andy in the chat This darnal stuff is why I love Walker in the second half of the season And I do wonder if defense is The way that the Clint Kubiak structures offense

And it's like the run threat is always present and that's defenses have kind of oriented around that. But like if Donald keeps just absolutely torching people down the field, I wonder if defenses are going to be forced to adjust because Jackson's been the jigba is like on off the player of the year track right now. And if we might see better running game unlocked in the second half. It's interesting. So what would that mean? It would be more like too high defenses against Seattle, kind of nearing them to run? Yeah, I think so.

like just like really keying on jason we've seen it start to happen already and it's like doesn't matter still he i've got to say jason's what i'm worried about yeah well it's like what the bills did to the chiefs last week and the chiefs just yeah refused to run yeah um but i don't think the seahawks will refuse to run if teams go that extreme in their past coverage on the subject of jsn jacob i mean is there any thought to selling jsn high in fantasy because us. He is averaging 4.7 yards per route run. And I looked over the previous 10 years just through week nine, the highest yards per route run. And it was Tyreek Hill in 20203 at 3.96. So JSN is having, he's on pace for over 2,000 yards. He's on pace to set the receiving record. What he's doing

is insane. And his target share is what? Like 38% or something like that. So, yeah, I mean, does any, he's being so incredible. But he only has four touchdowns. That's one thing that could help. But does anybody, Dave, Jamie Heath, before Jacob gets into the JSN stuff, any thought to maybe he'll be more like wide receiver eight or something like that rest of the season instead of, you know, the most incredible player in the world? I mean, if you can get two stars for him, then you should be exploring it.

Yeah, I don't want to make the case. I'm just asking if anybody. This is the first time I've heard anyone even bold enough to suggest it. yeah sure i mean anybody will make any trade they'll trade away their best player if you're going to get an offer good enough you just you just asked us about your friend trying to get jemar chase like if you're able to get three potential top 15 caliber players i don't know if those i remember all the names but like if you're able to get three potential top 15 caliber players for one yes you should be looking to do that what if somebody offered you brock bowers a j brown

and rico duttle yeah i would do that yeah would you who wouldn't do that that's that's yeah that's too much that i think that gets you over the top how do you i don't know how you turn that down i mean you know if you're if your starting lineup is insane and you don't need never do that right okay what if that tight end were tray mcbride instead because i feel like people people right now feel like brock bowers could be you know a top five fantasy i mean like bride with brousette is pretty good maybe but okay Jacob, go ahead. What were we going to say? I just, I think unless I really need a tight-in, I don't think I would do that.

I think you would have a really, really hard time prying Jason from me. Okay. Yeah, that's, to me, if you've got JSN, but you're five and four and you've got holes in your lineup, that's an overpay you can accept. Do you care about the numbers for Walker and Charbonnet this year overall versus seven or fewer in the box? Just to put a pin on the darnal talk and how defenses might adjust? sure you've got him you saying i got it yeah so on the year walkers averaging four and a half yards per rush which is surprising to say the least when there's seven or fewer in the box it's 4.4 yards per rush so no real change there on the year sharpening is averaging 2.9 yards per rush his rushing average

goes up to 4.1 when he sees seven or fewer in the box so he might be the one that actually ends up benefiting more when if teams say all right we're we've got to defend against the past way more more than the run. We've got to be more worried about Sam Donald's arm and JSN and Rashid and Tori Horton than we have to worry about Seattle's run game. So it would obviously benefit both, but the rushing average would definitely go up for Sharbonnet. His yards per carry, just so hard to, you know, say it's a problem because he's getting such short area touches. That's why it's 2.9. Yeah. Right. All right. So we got about three, four minutes left. Jacob, take it away. What do you want to tell us? Just a quick representation of where

route with Jason. Adam brought up that like there's never been anybody like this really. Here's all wide receiver data during the time we've had per route data, um, through nine weeks of their season and he's up in the far right. Like even above the Tyree kill seasons, Pukunakua, anything like that. So you've seen these charts for this year, of course, and he's up in the far right. But just to compare him to history, it's like, I don't want to really put any sort of like ceiling, any artificial ceiling on what it could be or that it has to regress or anything. Um, it probably does you know but also like when we're seeing something completely new i i would run what to just like hold it and see what it could be honestly because what if the touchdowns start to come

sure um he's had and he's just like locked in even with deference is knowing it's coming 120 yards every single game lately um he's he's so good all right a few more stats rishit chehid rishit jihad is also really good not you know maybe this good but really good he's averaged 1.92 ppr points per target since entering the NFL as an undraft free agent in 2022. That ranks just below during this time, just below Mike Evans, Jamar Chase,

and Justin Jefferson. And the targets were much higher with Clint Kubiak in New Orleans. When Cliff Kubiak was calling plays in New Orleans last year, that's who's the offensive coordinator for the Seattle Seahawks now, where he just arrived. So last year, he had a 24% target per route run rate

with Clint Kubiak, 24.3%. Chris Alaves's target per out run rate was lower than that. 23.7%. This is really unusual. This is the only time during these two careers that that's been the case. The Shaheed has been above Alavei. For comparison this year, Shaheed has a 22% rate. Alavis is at 26.5%. So that's, that stood out. And then if you look, when Derek Carr was healthy in this offense last year with Kunt Kubiak, it was 120 route sample size. So not insignificant. Sheet had a 28% target per hour rate with 2.82 yards per route run. Those are both like truly elite numbers.

So I'm really excited to see what it might look like as he transitions to Seattle with the same plate caller. They already have a guy they really like and Tori Horton. He's been playing really well and still they were aggressive and going to get Shaheed. And I think that's really interesting. And we started this off with Sam Darnan how well he's playing. So very high ceiling, I think, for Shaheed here to come in and start making some big

plays right away. That's all I had in the advanced stat. I was going to, I was going to give you the Harvey one, but Adam, covered that, of course. That's an interesting stat to me for sure. Do you want to just real quick run through some rest of season stuff? Kind of at a time. So I'm just going to, I'm going to throw one

player at you guys, and I want to know what you think. James Cook. Well, I'll let you choose. James Cook or Dalton, Kincaid. Who should we talk about? We know what James Cook is. Concade. All right. So the yards per route run thing for Jackson Smith and Jigba, best, you know,

ever, basically. Nobody's come close in the last 10 years through the first nine weeks of the season. Dalton Kincaid is kind of similar. He's at three yards per route run. And over the previous 10 seasons, only one tight end through week nine. And why am I doing three week nine?

Because smaller sample size can give you bigger, you know, numbers, right? More efficient numbers. Rob Gronkowski is the only guy who's averaged more yards per out run through the first nine weeks of the season in the last decade than Dalton Kincaid. Grong is out, you know, he's amazing, obviously.

Kincaid is the number seven tight end per game. but I just want to point out how great of a year he's having. He's only on pace for 80 targets, though. But he's a 24.1% target per out run rate, which is much better than what Tucker Kraft was getting, much better than, I forget the other guy that was kind of like Tucker Kraft. But, oh, Tyler Warren hasn't been even close to 24.1

in like five of his last six games. So go ahead, Heath, but I'm just saying, Dalton Kincaid, first round pick, right? Like, really talented player. He was hurt, had two knee injuries last year. This guy is playing out of his mind. The 80 targets is rough. That's his pace.

But he's playing out of his mind right now. I think my only pushback, and he is playing awesome, 100%. You can't compare the target per route run rate for a guy like Tyler Warren, who's run 84% of the routes for the Colts to Kincaid, who I think played 34% of the snaps last week against the Chiefs. Like, it's amazing that he's continued, that he's had this type of success, and he's been awesome when he's been on the field. But the one thing that hasn't changed is that he's still not, like,

he ran 53% of the bills, a route on 53% of their dropbacks last year. Last week, yeah. Yeah, last week. And it's 50% for the year. 57.8% for him, because he missed the games. That was probably, right. 57.8% route participation rate for him this year. That's true.

He doesn't. I wish they'd play him every play. He's been their zone defense beater. His numbers are pretty good demand zone. It really hasn't mattered. But higher catch rate, slightly higher target per route run rate, way more yards after catch for reception when he's taken on zone coverage. And it makes sense.

You just think about how he attacks the middle of the field. He works inside the numbers. There's space. And he can catch it and make a play. To your two tight end points earlier in the show, Michael Mayer had a 72% route share last week. Wow. Dalton Kincaid's with 53. Right.

Yeah, but Dalton Kincaid is right now the most efficient tight end in football. That's my point, right? He's, you know, he's kind of fulfilling his prophecy. I know Jacob's a Dalton Kincaid guy, and I'm not trying to put down Dalton Kincaid, but isn't it often true that it's easier to be, more efficient on a per route basis when you run half of the routes. Yeah, and when he's in there, it's for the purpose of running routes

and getting targets. Yeah, I get it. All right, all right, okay. Forget it. Terrible stat. Terrible way to end the show. It was a great stat. It's really interesting. I was just trying to put it in context.

I appreciate that. That's good. I can't fully buy into Dalton Concade because, again, he's on pace for 80 targets. He hasn't had more than six in a game. you need more... No one's sitting them in fantasy unless they've got like a superstar tight end.

Not sitting it, but do you trade them? Or do you just buy into them and just... You're not going to get a ton for him and trade. You might as well ride it out and enjoy the points that he's been getting you, which has been great. All right. Kincaid or Colson Loveland rest of season.

I was going to ask you that. It's Kincaid. I was going to ask you that. I think it's Kincaid too. I brought up to Dan yesterday. Like, if you had Loveland and he goes off again this week against the Giants, which you then tried to like trade him for

Kincaid, you know, like I think basically anybody who has Kincaid would do that if Levin has another good game, but I think Kincaid outscores him. Jacob and I will be talking about Colston Leblin versus Dalton, Kincaid, in Dynasty, in about an hour and 45 minutes. Come check us out. Cool. Good promo.

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