Fantasy Football Today - Trade Talk, Cardinals-Seahawks, Fantasy Feud! (11/18 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: November 18, 2020

As your trade deadline approaches we've got more buy low (3:23) and sell high (13:55) players for you. Can Joe Burrow have a big second half? Now is the time to get Austin Ekeler and Raheem Mostert. N...ow is the time to sell Ronald Jones. And what do we think about James Robinson's upcoming schedule (20:40) and can the Seahawks DST actually be a league winner!? ... News and notes (25:30) and a Cardinals-Seahawks preview (28:15). Do we trust D.K. Metcalf against Patrick Peterson? What do you do if Tyler Lockett is out? Who is the best RB in this game? ... Let's play Fantasy Feud (39:30)! Dave and Heath compete for no prizes! Then we'll talk about some inconsistent players (49:30) like Cooper Kupp, Joe Mixon and Justin Jefferson ... Your emails at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com and your questions via Apple Podcast You can also download and subscribe to the full-length Fantasy Football Today podcast here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-podcast/id261735167 Follow the new FFT Twitch channel: https://www.twitch.tv/FFToday Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @BenSchragg Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCviK78rIWXhZdFzJ1Woi7Fg/videos Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is Fantasy Football Today from CBS Sports. On his way to the end zone. I'll tell you what, that was a spectacular play. It's time to dominate your fantasy league. What a play! Off to the races! Touchdown! Oh, he's done it again! Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, Heath, and Ben. Wednesday show, Trade Talk today.
Starting point is 00:00:23 And we don't have a lot of these left. I think this might be our last buy low, sell high episode. Maybe some last minute ones next week. But Thanksgiving is usually kind of an arbitrary cutoff, an arbitrary trade deadline that a lot of leagues use that Thanksgiving week. We welcome you, everybody. Pretty soon we'll start talking about side dishes and things of that sort. But today it's all fantasy football. Oh oh and the fantasy feud later in the show guys first time this year we're playing the
Starting point is 00:00:50 host isn't allowed to kiss the contestants oh all right all right we can negotiate as we go along. Happy Wednesday. Happy hump day, guys. Ooh, yeah. Yeah, I'm fired up for some buy lows and some sell highs. I've got a long list. I've been checking it twice. Wrong holiday. Wrong holiday. Wrong holiday. Get me to the Thursday game. Oh, that's going to be a shootout. We're looking forward to that.
Starting point is 00:01:21 And in case you missed it... Well, maybe. Yeah, right. If you don't lock it, that forward to that. And in case you missed it... Well, maybe. Yeah, right. Maybe. If you don't lock it, that would be a problem. Okay, in case you missed it, Kyler Murray is averaging more fantasy points per game than Mahomes in 2018 and Lamar Jackson in 2019. How about
Starting point is 00:01:38 that? He's having that year. And Russell Wilson is, too. I don't know if he's averaging more than those guys, but it's very close. Not so much in four-point because he hasn't been rushing for touchdowns, but yeah, let's put it in perspective.
Starting point is 00:01:52 What was the average for Lamar in 2019 and Mahomes in 2018? In six-point? Yeah. Somewhere around 31, 32. Okay. I believe I saw that in four-point, Patrick Mahomes is actually averaging a career
Starting point is 00:02:07 high this year, yet he's third. He's having this underrated fantasy superstar season. Everyone's talking about Kyler and Wilson and Mahomes. He's the current MVP, right? I'm not so sure. I don't think it's
Starting point is 00:02:24 a slam-dunk case. I think Aaron Rodgers is earning it, and't think it's a slam dunk case. Because I think Aaron Rodgers is earning it, and I think Kyler Murray is earning it, and you never know what Russell will pull out of his hat. I think Russ lost it. He can try and get it back. I think he's trying to get it, and that's what's costing him numbers. Who's the current MVP?
Starting point is 00:02:40 That's what Heath asked. I guess it's Mahomes, but again, I think you can make the case for Rodgers. I don't know. And Kyler. 25-1 touchdown interception rate. Is that good for Mahomes? Pretty good. All right, I'll tell you real quick, and then we'll move on.
Starting point is 00:02:59 Kyler Murray is averaging 33.3 points per game this year. Russell Wilson, 32.5. So remember those numbers. 2018, Mahomes was 32.2. So Wilson and Murray are both better than that. And 2019, Lamar Jackson was 32.5, which is exactly what Russell Wilson is this year, but it is behind Kyler Murray.
Starting point is 00:03:23 Okay, so let the trade talk begin. Who's got some fun buy lows for the people? I got some buy lows. All right, Dave, hit me with it. What about which position you want first? Can I just pick the position? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:38 Good, I will. Joe Burrow, as a buy low quarterback, you just lost Drew Brees or you've been streaming the position and you're tired of doing the waiver work or you don't want to trust Jameis Winston. This is the quarterback to trade for and I think he'll be probably
Starting point is 00:03:52 the cheapest of all the quarterbacks that might be available to you via trade that don't suck. I like that his offensive line is going to get healthy. I like his receivers. Obviously, the game script every week is going to be pass friendly. And the matchups.
Starting point is 00:04:08 Washington this week. Then the Giants at Miami could be tough. Then Dallas. Pittsburgh at home is going to be tough. At Houston in week 16. Ooh. At Houston. Wow.
Starting point is 00:04:20 So, like, and I was skeptical of this one yesterday. But I think it's probably just a difference in this week's ranking. You have Joe Burrow ranked as a top 10 quarterback this week? I have Burrow... Actually, I'm 14th as of now. Could make a switch to get him inside the top 12. That was my whole thing. I don't know that Joe Burrow is a top 12 quarterback.
Starting point is 00:04:42 He's not against Pittsburgh or Miami. Right, this, he's against Washington, and he probably should be a little bit higher. Maybe he should make the cut. I don't believe that Washington's defense is great against the pass, even though the numbers said going into last week that it was. That was my question.
Starting point is 00:05:00 And Washington and the Giants are both top 12 against quarterbacks. I don't know. If you buy that, which apparently you don't. Then he has a terrible schedule. I think more. I just think Washington and the Giants are in that large group of defenses that you just don't really consider. And Joe Burrow has kind of been a quarterback. That's not a top 12 guy unless he has a great matchup, right?
Starting point is 00:05:24 You can go back and see, but obviously some of the matchups they had against tough defenses, he was absolutely dreadful. Yeah, he's only had two. But we're talking about really good defenses. Two big games, they were both against Cleveland, and he scored 24 fantasy points in overtime at Philadelphia. So really just the thing with him is touchdowns, right?
Starting point is 00:05:42 I mean, he's got 12 touchdowns in nine games. That's what it usually is with the rookie quarterbacks. It is. Not Justin Herbert. But yeah, that is a problem. All right. So Dave says Joe Burrow is a buy low. And Dave, I think you have some more for us. Sure. How about a tight
Starting point is 00:05:59 end Mark Andrews, who it doesn't have so much to do about Nick Boyle getting hurt, although I do think that should lead to more snaps for Andrews, who it doesn't have so much to do about Nick Boyle getting hurt, although I do think that should lead to more snaps for Andrews. But Baltimore's got to figure out their passing game. And I think they're finally realizing that they can't force it through Hollywood Brown. Not that they were trying a ton, but they were trying to a degree. And Andrews was a good target hog last week.
Starting point is 00:06:24 And I think they're going to continue to try and get him going. to a degree. And Andrews was a good target hog last week. And I think they're going to continue to try and get him going. And maybe the timing's not perfect to say he's a buy low because he's coming off of a pretty good game for a tight end anyway. But I think if you've got him, you should feel good about it.
Starting point is 00:06:37 And if you can trade for him, don't overpay, but give up maybe a little bit more than you might have expected to a week ago for him. Okay. Did you want to keep going? Sure. Randy Mostert could be back after the bye.
Starting point is 00:06:49 Who else do the 49ers have at running back but him? He's been good when he's played. Offensive line is still a pretty good strength in their matchups. Their only tough matchup, I think, is against the Rams in Week 12. After that, it's the Bills, Washington, at Dallas, at Arizona.
Starting point is 00:07:06 I'm thinking Mostert can be somebody that can help people have easier lineup decisions in the fantasy playoffs. Do you think he's going to be a Mostert running back, Restaway? I think he's going to be pretty close to Mostert, yes. You know, even in PPR leagues, per game, he is
Starting point is 00:07:22 ninth. This is a guy who has 11 catches in four games, which isn't that bad. It's pretty good for him, I guess. He's certainly not Alvin Kamara, but he's been great this year, Raheem Mostert. Top 10 guys so far. I traded away
Starting point is 00:07:38 Raheem Mostert in a league yesterday. Wow. Someone bought low on him. I think Dave should, should evaluate my trade. I think so. It was in the auction league where I had five running backs on IR and I'm three and seven.
Starting point is 00:07:56 So I have to win out. So I sent an offer to each of the seven and three teams offering them my IR running backs for somebody that might help me win now, we'll see. I traded Austin Eckler, Raheem Mostert, Marquise Brown,
Starting point is 00:08:16 and Mike Kosicki. So you can guess with Marquise Brown and Mike Kosicki who I traded these players to, if you remember our shows in the offseason. To Ben Gretch. For Mike Gosticki, who I traded these players to, if you remember our shows in the offseason. Yes. To Ben Gretsch. For Matt Ryan, Todd Gurley, Duke Johnson, T. Higgins, and TJ Hawkinson. So you can kind of break it down.
Starting point is 00:08:41 It's Gosticki for Hawkinson. So that's a win for you. Yeah. Marquis Brown for T. Higgins. It's a win for for Hawkinson. So that's a win for you. Yeah. Marquis Brown for T. Higgins. It's a win for you. Giant win. But then you are giving up Eckler and Mostert for Gurley, Duke Johnson, and Matt Ryan. Yeah, you got to do what you got to do.
Starting point is 00:08:58 No, I think if you're trying to win now, that's a very good trade. And it's probably a very good trade for Ben. He's already locked into the playoffs. If Austin Eckler and Raheem Mostert come back, he just turned a pile of poo into a pair of top 20 running backs. And that's really what you... First of all, it's not a pile of poo.
Starting point is 00:09:16 It's solid players. Solid players who have the upside to be good. And he's getting guys that he wants for the playoff run. He's consolidated his depth. This is exactly what you should do either way, depending on where you're at in your league. Been preaching it for years. If you're fighting for a playoff spot like Heath and you're three and seven and you think
Starting point is 00:09:35 you're going to make it, even though you've got seven losses, okay, bud, go ahead. But that's the type of trade that you make to try and win. Now you give up that great depth. And if you're seven and three, like Ben, now you've got some studs down the line make your team harder to beat added bonus i'm playing ben this week so i trade them all the players that's great that's nice great you should be four and seven and are you you're mathematically very much alive in that league to make the playoffs i mean about very much i don't know i don't know very much but it feels like in a majority of my leagues, there will be a 6-7 team that gets into the playoffs. I feel that way
Starting point is 00:10:08 too. In a bunch of leagues I'm in, there's a lot of teams that are 5-5. I don't want to talk about my record in that league. Let's talk about a different league. Just real quick, how about our podcast league? I'm going to take a look at the standings. It's a 14-team league. Why would we look at that league? How about our telethon league?
Starting point is 00:10:24 Let's take a look at our telethon league standings. In's a 14-team league. Why would we look at that league? How about our telethon league? Let's take a look at our telethon league standings. In our podcast league, it's a 14-team league. 12 teams are somewhere between 4-6 and 6-4. That's incredible. I am not one of those 12 teams. There's a Heath team that's 2-8. But other than that,
Starting point is 00:10:40 6-4 to 4-6. 12 of the 14 teams. A ton of parity there. Raheem Mostert, Joe Burrow, Mark Andrews for Dave. Let's just go ahead and throw Austin Eckler in there as well or anyone you can get on IR that you don't need right now. Take advantage of the teams that need someone right now. A perfect example of what Heath just gave. Heath, you got any bylaws?
Starting point is 00:11:01 You can't. Please not David Montgomery. We haven't talked about this guy very much, but what about David Montgomery? No, please no. No, you can any buy lows? You can't. We haven't talked about this guy very much, but what about David Montgomery? No, please, no. No, you can't. Like, no. It's just like, it's every week.
Starting point is 00:11:12 Well, he didn't play last week. Nothing happened to change his value. You know, I really liked the Raheem Mostert and the Austin Eckler ones from Dave. I am cautiously optimistic about the Cowboys coming out of their bye week. I expect them to be a little bit better with Andy Dalton under center
Starting point is 00:11:33 than they were with Ben DiNucci or Garrett Gilbert. I am cautiously optimistic about buying low on Cooper, Lamb. And even, like, I was kind of surprised when I was looking. I was writing the tight end preview this week and looking at tight ends that were just, like, close to six targets per week. Because if you think about that, that's 96 targets. That's a good year for a tight end.
Starting point is 00:11:59 I was trying to find some way to keep from chasing last week's touchdowns at tight end that's kind of what i was trying to say on sunday and did a bad job of but i think at this position that is so terribly inconsistent if you're constantly going after the guy who was just good last week you're probably never going to score any points at tight end because none of them are good two or three weeks in a row. And Dalton Schultz, surprisingly, even as of late, is right in that six target per week range. So I'm cautiously optimistic about buying low on pretty much all of the Cowboys.
Starting point is 00:12:35 Man, I even put in a bid for... Two sacks allowed in their last game, and that was against Pittsburgh, and that was with Garrett Gilbert. So I think that offensive line is starting to get a little bit better and maybe the bye week will help them get a little healthier and Dalton is clearly healthier.
Starting point is 00:12:51 I kind of agree. It's stupid to say this, but the Cowboys have every reason to come out of their bye thinking they're in the playoff race. Oh yeah, absolutely. Of course they are. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:02 I even put in a bid for Michael Gallup yesterday at a PPR three-wide receiver league. Just anyone who gets targets, I guess, Oh, yeah, absolutely. Of course they are. Yeah. I even put in a bid for Michael Gallup yesterday at a PPR three-wide receiver league. Just anyone who gets targets, I guess, plus all these bye weeks. Bye week's almost over, thankfully. Okay, so Joe Burrow, Mark Andrews, Rene Mostert for Dave,
Starting point is 00:13:16 Dallas guys for Heath, and that's it? Move on? All right, great. Five-star reviews. You want to leave us a five-star review in Apple Podcasts? We've got that mailbag show on Saturday. We'll read a bunch of them. So please send in your five-star reviews. We're going to read a few of them today. Andlay, excuse me, against the spread. And we're giving away $1,000 guaranteed every week. Odds are provided by William Hill sports book. Go to cbssports.com slash parlay.
Starting point is 00:13:52 Sell high. Dave, who are you selling? I don't know if I have a very great list for selling high. That's been any different than what it's the guys i've named before like i've had mike evans on the list i'm still a little skeptical that he can keep putting up big numbers i know last week he definitely did good josh allen same exact thing i i wouldn't mind shopping those guys around to see what i could get okay but not nothing i don But I don't want to say get them off your team.
Starting point is 00:14:26 Forget about it. They're going to be losers for your squad. It's more like, well, if you've got good receiver depth and Evans is part of your squad, see what you can get. If you've got a good quarterback behind Josh Allen, go ahead and see what you can get. But I'm not telling you that they're going to be bad. I'm just saying that there's a chance that their value
Starting point is 00:14:44 could be at pretty big highs right now. Yeah, Josh Allen's really interesting. If you look at his season, you break it down. First four games, he's incredible. 31, 41, 38, 29 points in six point leagues. Next four games, he's 12 to 19 points at Tennessee, Kansas City, Jets, Patriots, and what's wrong with Josh Allen, this and that. And then the last two games, 41 points against Seattle, and then 29 points at Arizona,
Starting point is 00:15:11 but he really wasn't having a great game. He threw 49 times, and he had that touchdown pass to Stephon Diggs. So it's hard to really get a measure on what kind of quarterback Josh Allen's going to be in the final five games of the fantasy season after his bye this week. Chargers, Niners, Steelers, Broncos, Patriots. Yeah, he's kind of up and down, and I think John Brown has a lot to do with it, quite frankly,
Starting point is 00:15:35 because he played hurt for some of that stretch, that bad stretch. But that's just a theory. I don't know if that's what it is, but it kind of makes sense. So hopefully he can get healthy. Heath, any sell highs? I can bring up one that everybody's talking about if you need me to. I
Starting point is 00:15:53 pretty much am always in favor of selling Ronald Jones after he has a big game. And I would do that right now. Another one of his teammates, Rob Gronkowski, saw his targets fall to three last week, but he scored the long touchdown, and so everything was rosy.
Starting point is 00:16:10 I don't think it's very likely that Gronk's going to be good with AB, Godwin, and Evans all there. If he is, then that means they're throwing it 40 times a game, and Ronald Jones probably isn't going to be what he has been. Those two kind of stand out to me. I feel like the only way you're going to get anything decent for Jones
Starting point is 00:16:31 is if someone is still desperate for running backs. I think a lot of teams are desperate for running backs. Sort of. They're desperate for reliable studs. But we're coming off of a waiver-wear week where there were at least three guys that theoretically could help you this week and two of those three that could help you in the next few weeks so i think the pressure might be off in that regard and i'm not sure ronald jones has significantly more value than the guys that you just picked up off the waiver wire because people are going to be skeptical.
Starting point is 00:17:05 Oh yeah. Well, some people will maybe, I don't know. I just don't know. I don't mind trying to sell high. Just don't, don't have,
Starting point is 00:17:14 don't have grand expectations for what you're going to get. Okay. You're not going to get Chris Godwin in a trade for Ronald Jones. Now, listen, we got to, we got to talk about the Antonio Brown situation here, by the way, and the NFL is investigating it,
Starting point is 00:17:24 looking into it. You know, are you going to, if you're making trades involving Evans or Goblin, are you doing it assuming that Antonio Brown is still going to be on the team rest of season? Yeah, I'd rather trade Brown and hope that somebody's not reading the news, which isn't nice and you shouldn't do that,
Starting point is 00:17:40 but I'm not trading Evans and Goblin currently. No, I guess I meant like uh you know if you're evaluating those bucks are you doing it with the thought that antonio brown will be there because you just said rob gronkowski and yeah i mean totally get it the targets have been lower and you know with with brown but should we be thinking brown's not going to be there or should we be thinking brown is going to be the n NFL's investigating an incident where he um did some property damage yeah and perhaps violated his probation obviously I don't know how severe it is but it's it's it's not nothing it's not nothing but he's still with the team and practicing and doing all that stuff. The plug could get pulled at any time,
Starting point is 00:18:26 but look, I don't think anybody's going to try and trade for AB anyway. You'd have to throw them in, in a deal in order to get them off your team. So those are some buy lows and sell highs for you here. And I'm going to have, I got one or two more to throw at you in a bit, and then we're going to evaluate some players later.
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Starting point is 00:20:54 such an easy schedule in week one he faced the colts their second against the run he was okay 16 carries 62 yards one catch 28 yards wasn't Wasn't as involved in the passing game in that week. Since then, the teams he has faced currently rank 25th, 22nd, 17th, 31st, 32nd, 15th, 31st, and 30th against running backs. And the two teams that were 15th and 17th, they stink against the run. They're the Bengals and the Chargers. So Robinson's had an easy schedule. And now look. Pittsburgh, they're first. Cleveland, fourth.
Starting point is 00:21:28 They're not really that good, but they're fourth. Minnesota, 15th. Tennessee, 24th. Baltimore, sixth. Chicago, ninth. And then Week 17, the Colts. Uh-oh! James Robinson's schedule is getting tougher, guys. Do you care?
Starting point is 00:21:45 Sure. I think you just made the case for James Robinson as a sell high. Is he though or is he just bulletproof at this point? I hesitate to say he's bulletproof. I don't know if I really want to give him that title, but he's been really, really good. And I do know that Chris Thompson's on IR. And so that means he's going to continue to have that role in the passing game
Starting point is 00:22:11 and certainly get a lot of carries on the ground. It's hard to say just get him off your team or trade him for something of fair value. I think you need somebody to grossly overpay for James Robinson if you're going to deal him. Otherwise, I think you just continue to ride the running back. I think the thing is, and this kind of illustrates the way I look at schedule, there's one of those matchups in the next four that matter to me.
Starting point is 00:22:36 And I think you would agree with that too, Adam. And then the Ravens and Bears, a month from now, who knows who's even on their team or who's active. We saw with the Bears, their run defense is amazing. And then Akeem Hicks gets hurt and all of a sudden, Dalvin Cook's getting
Starting point is 00:22:52 seven yards to carry. And in the case of Baltimore, it's Calais Campbell and Brandon Williams. We don't think those are long-term injuries, but they're not going to happen this week.
Starting point is 00:23:00 Who knows if they'll have anything to hurt again before a month from now. Right. Yeah, no, I mean, look, Cleveland, Minnesota, Tennessee. I don't think you fret about those, but Pittsburgh, maybe you do this week. Cleveland's run defense has been pretty good. Like just over the balance of the season.
Starting point is 00:23:14 I wouldn't say that they're world beaters or anything like that. Yeah. I think they've got a pretty good. They ended up having a pretty good linebacker unit after all. Right. Baltimore, Chicago in weeks 15 and 16 scare me a little bit. But all right. Just giving you a heads up, James Robinson managers.
Starting point is 00:23:31 You can do what you want to do. And then the good schedule alert. Yeah, I was not aware of this, but people have been emailing, tweeting about it. The Seahawks DST. No, you're not going to start that this week against Arizona. But then there are next four games. Philadelphia, 26th against DST. No, you're not going to start that this week against Arizona. But then their next four games. Philadelphia, 26th against DSTs. The Giants, 28th.
Starting point is 00:23:50 The Jets, 32nd. And Washington, 30th. It's basically three NFC East teams and the Jets, who are the only team that's worse than the NFC East teams. The Seahawks DST. Are they going to win you a league? I'm nervous trusting bad DSDs, even in good matchups.
Starting point is 00:24:11 Been saying that for years. I think their linebackers are great. I think adding Carlos Dunlap is good. They're starting to get a little bit better on the defensive line. I don't think Jamal Adams is playing at 100%. And I don't think the corners are playing well at all. I think that's pretty obvious,
Starting point is 00:24:28 given how bad they've been against the past. I don't mind picking them up before their game on Thursday, carrying them through week 11 and into week 12 as a possible starting option, and then using them at Philadelphia just to see. I wouldn't commit to them as, okay, this is my DST that's going to win me my league. That's what I'd speculate on, though.
Starting point is 00:24:52 All right. Just thought I'd bring it up because it's pretty funny. Okay. You're not the only one that brought it up. Yeah, I know. Other smart people have brought it up to me, too. I think a lot of the matchups are favorable for them, but I do think that...
Starting point is 00:25:04 I don't think the Eagles' offense is as bad as it was this past week, and I think the Giants' offense is starting to play a little bit better. The nice thing is, with those two games in the middle, even when the Giants' defense is playing better, Daniel Jones, generally you can count him for at least one turnover, often two per game, even when he's at his best. Not recently, but yes. Yes yes you can uh even when he doesn't turn the ball over he just wants to he just doesn't feel right when he isn't news and
Starting point is 00:25:32 notes tyler lockett missed like i think he fumbled out of bounds one of the last two games something like that uh tyler lockett missed practice with a knee issue carlos hyde practiced in full chris carson was limited so we're going to talk about that game, but all right, David Moore, keep an eye on him, I guess. Pretty swaying, too. We're going to get into it, because I think it's worth asking. You look at what Peterson's
Starting point is 00:25:56 done against Metcalf the last two times they've faced off. If you have a limited Metcalf, and then you have, and I don't know that you do, I'll ask you guys, and then you have no Tyler Lockett, what would that mean for Russell Wilson? We'll find out. But Carlos Hyde did practice, so make sure you add him,
Starting point is 00:26:13 and Chris Carson was limited. Obviously, if Carson goes, you're not going to want Hyde. But if Hyde goes and Carson doesn't, do you think Hyde gets the bulk, or do you think he splits fairly evenly with Alex Collins? I think he gets the majority. I don't know if it's going to be like a 70-30 deal, but let's call it 60-40.
Starting point is 00:26:34 I think they're desperate for a consistent run game. Some quarterback news. Drew Locke does not have fractured ribs, but he may not play this week against Miami. Chicago, Nick Foles doesn't have a serious injury, but he may not play this week against Miami. Chicago, Nick Foles doesn't have a serious injury, but he may lose his job anyway. They may make a quarterback change after their bye week. So if you're in a 2QB
Starting point is 00:26:51 league, I guess you could look at Trubisky. Matthew Stafford has a partial tear in his throwing thumb, but he is expected to play. Kyle Shanahan is hopeful that Mostert, Tevin Coleman, and Samuel and Debo will all be back next week. Alan Lazard is off IR, 68% rostered, only 17 targets in three games,
Starting point is 00:27:10 and that was four targets in one game, five targets in one game, and eight targets in one game. You don't need a ton of targets to be good with Aaron Rodgers. We know that. But Alan Lazard, 68% rostered. Heath, is that porridge too low,
Starting point is 00:27:22 too high, or just right? It's what's Marquez Valdez-Scantling's roster percentage. Heath? Is that porridge too low, too high, or just right? What's Marquez Valdez-Scantling's roster percentage? It was about 30 going into waivers. I would still rather roster Lazard than I would MVS. Okay. Same.
Starting point is 00:27:38 He is 34%. I think he should be closer to 80%. Oh, all right. Porridge is too cold then. Lazard is at 68. Porridge is too cold then. Lazard is at 68. MVS is at 34, according to what I'm looking at now. Wow.
Starting point is 00:27:50 I think MVS may be a little too low as well, but like 80-40 is what I'd go with. All right. Well, we got some segments left. You know what? Why don't we preview the game? We'll preview the game. Make sure we get... Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.
Starting point is 00:28:02 Let's do it. And then after the game, it's Fantasy Feud. And then I'm going to ask you about a whole bunch of players. And I wanted to talk about a preseason strategy that went right. Get your thoughts on that. I hope we have time for that. We have emails and Apple Podcast questions as well.
Starting point is 00:28:14 But Arizona is at Seattle. First meeting was a 37-34 thriller in overtime. Russell Wilson scored 35 points. Kyler Murray scored 42 points. It was great except DK Metcalf had two catches for 23 yards and Kenyon Drake wasn't very good. He had 14 carries for 34 yards
Starting point is 00:28:34 and he left with an injury. Chase Edmonds was good. All right. Which quarterback you like better? Kyler Murray. Yeah. Probably an easy one right now. I'm starting to get a little nervous about Russ. Yeah, let's do the Cardinals first.
Starting point is 00:28:50 Let's get that out of the way. Kyler Murray, number one, number one, and I think number three for Heath. The Arizona running backs. Now, one thing that, like last week, the Seahawks run defense, it wasn't quite as good as it normally is.
Starting point is 00:29:07 And I don't know if it's, they lost one of their rotational defensive tackles, Brian Moan. And that's why they promoted Damon Harrison from the practice squad. But it wasn't, you know,
Starting point is 00:29:18 it was a little bit worse. But, you know, this is a team that Seattle has actually a pretty good run defense this year. So what do we think about Kenyon Drake and Chase Edmonds this week, guys? So with Drake, I think he's still the better one in non-PPR,
Starting point is 00:29:33 but you're starting him with the idea of him scoring. Like he's got to come through with a touchdown. I'm not counting on him to get 100 yards. Seattle's allowed six touchdowns on the ground to running backs in their past three games, but 3.2 yards per carry in those games. So their linebackers are getting better. Their D lines playing a little bit better. Drake has just been okay. Pretty much for the balance of the season. There were times where he was looking better than he did earlier in the year, but he's got a score. I don't think he can get you 10 non PPR points without the touchdown.
Starting point is 00:30:03 And he's definitely not going to get you to 15 PPR points unless he has a monster game because he doesn't catch the ball. He doesn't play third downs. Edmonds is the much better start in PPR. And that would mean that Drake is at best a flex in PPR and half PPR. And Edmonds is a flex in non-PPR. So yeah, the Seahawks, they do give up the fourth most rushing touchdowns per game to running backs. And they also give up 30 or more receiving yards to 30 running backs this year,
Starting point is 00:30:32 to six running backs this year. Wow. Six running backs. So both Edmonds and Drake have something going for them in that regard. How about Ronald Jones versus these guys? What would you do? Joe? How about Ronald Jones versus these guys? What would you do? Rojo.
Starting point is 00:30:46 I think I've got Drake higher in non-PPR because I feel a little bit better about his chances to score than Rojo. Okay. How about Duke Johnson? I don't want to start Duke. If I don't have to. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:31:03 I'm probably starting Duke over both. Drake, Jones, Duke. In PPR? Not in PPR. And yeah, different in PPR. What about Edmonds? I'd go Duke, Edmonds, Drake, and PPR. I'd go Edmonds, Duke, Drake, Jones, and PPR.
Starting point is 00:31:24 I might move Jones ahead in PPR. He's getting a coupleonds, Duke, Drake, Jones in PPR. I might move Jones ahead in PPR. He's getting a couple of grabs a game at least. Okay. Okay, and then start DeAndre Hopkins. Start or sit Christian Kirk? Depends who you ask. Dave and Jamie love Christian Kirk this week. Heath, as of yesterday, I know your rankings
Starting point is 00:31:39 will change a little bit. He was 26th in non-PPR, 31st in PPR. Christian Kirk. start or sit? I mean, you're probably starting him as a number three wide receiver, I think. There's peaks and valleys with him. He could make one big play.
Starting point is 00:31:57 Last time he played the Seahawks, he did score two touchdowns. Last time he played the Seahawks, he also had 37 yards receiving. So there's a very low floor with Christian Kirk, but there's a monster high ceiling. Dave, tell this man that 10 wide receivers in the last six games have had 90 yards or a touchdown against Seattle.
Starting point is 00:32:16 They're terrible against the pass. They make mistakes in coverage all the time. They're actually experimenting with how they're playing pass defense over the past few weeks. They haven't been doing the exact same thing that they've been doing for the last decade or however long Pete Carroll has been there. And I know Kirk is coming off of a bad game.
Starting point is 00:32:33 He is a little more of an MVS type of receiver than an Alan Lazard type of receiver, if that makes any sense. So you kind of need that big play, but I think he's going to get those chances. It's a high scoring game. I figure Kyler is going to throw a lot. Christian Kirk is worth starting.
Starting point is 00:32:50 Okay. Would you start Christian Kirk over the Cardinals running backs? PPR? Absolutely. Non PPR probably as well. I would start, man, that's,
Starting point is 00:33:03 I think I'd start Drake over Kirk and non-PPR for sure I mean I don't Chase Evans might catch more passes than Christian Kirk it's true alright well I think that sums it up
Starting point is 00:33:20 Russell Wilson first of all start us at DK Metcalf you've got to start him there's just way too much potential alright Russell Wilson. First of all, start us at DK Metcalf. You've got to start him. There's just way too much potential. All right. It's probably the same thing with Wilson, too, really. It really is. But the pieces that I'm putting together for this game
Starting point is 00:33:38 suggests that it could be a little rougher than normal on Russ. Because of the Lockett injury? Well, I mean, that's a huge thing. If Lockett's not there, that changes the whole dynamic of the passing game. You're taking away a speedster. The defense can play a little bit differently without Lockett on the field.
Starting point is 00:33:57 Also, they've lost the last two games in part because of what Russ is doing. So I don't know if they're ready to just keep letting Russ cook. And this could be a game where they might want to go back to their basics. And that's Pete Carroll loving to run the football and grind down the clock. And it's going to be infuriating, but it might be the right thing for them to do. They're going to have a fresh legged running back,
Starting point is 00:34:22 whether it's Carson or Hyde or both. And Arizona lost Corey Peters on the defensive line. I don't know what the status is of Devondre Campbell, but I don't think he's playing either. I'll double-check the injury report for both those dudes. But if they're both out, the Cardinals are playing on a short week without two of their best front seven
Starting point is 00:34:40 players. I think it's a perfect recipe. And they're on the road. It's a perfect recipe for Seattle to go back to ground and pound. Not just that, and I don't want to be clear. I'm always the guy that says I don't think interceptions are as bad as people make them out to be.
Starting point is 00:34:57 Depends on the interception. He's thrown seven interceptions in his last four games, including and they've lost three of their last four games. And that includes throwing three against Arizona last time they played. I do think that there's, I don't think they should do this.
Starting point is 00:35:16 I don't think there's anything wrong with Russell Wilson. I think he's still one of the best quarterbacks in the world. I do think there's a little bit of an increased risk that the, they go back to the run game a little bit more because of all the turnovers lately. Yeah, and the sacks. I think it's 11 sacks on Russell Wilson in his last two games.
Starting point is 00:35:32 So they've had some issues there. And I think Jacob Gibbs actually pointed out that the style of defense that the Cardinals play could give Russell... He's not as good against their scheme as he is against other schemes. And obviously, he scored 35 fantasy points. I mean, he was not as good against their scheme as he is against other schemes. Obviously, he scored 35 fantasy points, but he threw
Starting point is 00:35:49 three interceptions. He was, but he threw three interceptions. The one thing to make you feel better about him is the rushing seems to be coming back a little bit. At least six rush attempts in three of his last four. Does that come hand-in-hand with the pressure being dialed up on him?
Starting point is 00:36:05 Because he's in the pocket and he feels that pressure so he decides to take off and run. Yeah, maybe. By the way, Campbell and Peters haven't practiced Tuesday or Monday or Tuesday. They're looking unlikely to play.
Starting point is 00:36:21 Let's just do some starters here. Russell Wilson is a start for everyone, but if Lockett doesn't play, are there any quarterbacks that you'd start over him that ordinarily you wouldn't? Roethlisberger. That's the one that I'm going to struggle with. Probably Roethlisberger, yeah. Okay. Rodgers, Mahomes.
Starting point is 00:36:38 I mean, I think those guys were kind of obvious anyway, but then I got to start thinking about Justin Herbert against the Jets versus Russell Wilson. I think there's a case to be made that Herbert's going to be better. Who's the best running back in this game? We don't know who's playing. Carlos Hyde is the main guy. If there's no Chris Carson and Carlos Hyde's up, it's Hyde. And obviously it's Carson if Carson plays.
Starting point is 00:37:05 Yeah. And if for any reason both of them are out, then I guess it's Drake. But I don't think that's going to happen. I think we're going to get at least one of them this week. You guys have Metcalf in your top 10 in non-PPR. I think Jamie has him like 13th in PPR. So just, you know, I hope he's just kind of pissed off at the narrative
Starting point is 00:37:22 that Patrick Peterson owns him and that they have a duel. I'd love to see it. And then Lockett, if he plays, start or sit Tyler Lockett? I'd be nervous to start him as anything more than a low-end number two receiver because he's not going to be at 100%. How did he do against the Cardinals last time?
Starting point is 00:37:44 When he got hurt last year and he came back it took him like a month to really get back into the swing of things I think he had one really good game after the injury and then he started to take off again in the playoffs yeah
Starting point is 00:38:01 I was saying sarcastically how did he do against him last time he had 15 catches yards, and three touchdowns. So if he were healthy, you know, we'd say start him. But he also has five to 11 PPR points in five of his last six games. So, you know, would you start Duke Johnson over Tyler Lockett if Lockett plays? I would not.
Starting point is 00:38:22 I don't think I could do that. How about DeAndre Swift? Oh, I'm taking Swift over Lockett. Yeah, I would not. I don't think I could do that. How about DeAndre Swift? Oh, I'm taking Swift over Lockett. Yeah, I would not. Okay. So he's going to be more optimistic on Lockett. If Lockett doesn't play, David Moore is what? Wide receiver three.
Starting point is 00:38:36 At best. Lazard or Moore this week if Lockett's out? Moore. I think I'll take a chance on Moore. Again, a PPR league, would you go with David Moore or Damian Harris at Houston? Probably Harris.
Starting point is 00:38:54 Yeah, I think I'd go with Harris. How about like Kalen Balazs against Jets? I think I'd go with Balazs. Okay. All right, that's it for this game. Because I'm not 100% sure that Moore is going to be that guy right I started to dig in
Starting point is 00:39:09 Freddie Swain is playing in the slot just as much as David Moore Swain had a decent game last week he's a downfield threat too I think that they could combine like if Lockett's out they might combine to like replace Lockett and it just makes me more
Starting point is 00:39:26 uncertain about which one it will be time for the feud for the first time this year this season last time this year probably how you get you guys ready feeling good feeling good i could not be more excited what do you do for a living guys yeah welcome to the show no i think i know what you do so all right we got a pretty straightforward categories here not even not even going to try to trick you or anything like that pass catchers no quarterbacks and runners throwers runners and catchers uh human beings runners and catchers yeah actually it is throwers runners. Throwers, runners, and catchers. Human beings. Runners and catchers. Yeah, actually it is
Starting point is 00:40:08 throwers, runners, and catchers. Okay, here we go. The top six... You have to say your name to buzz in. The top six answers are on the board. I am looking for our best
Starting point is 00:40:19 so far this season, not per game, total points, running backs in PPR. Dave. Dave. Dave. Alvin Kamara. You are correct. That is the number one answer.
Starting point is 00:40:29 Pass or play? I'm going to pass. Really? All right. I like watching my opponents squirm. Heath, we need the next five. It's more fun with Jamie than it is with Heath. I'll admit that.
Starting point is 00:40:41 Total points. Full PPR? Full PPR. Dalvin Cook. Dalvin Cook is correct. He is number Heath. I'll admit that. Total points. Full PPR? Full PPR. Dalvin Cook? Dalvin Cook is correct. He is number two. James Robinson? Number three.
Starting point is 00:40:52 You need to top what? Six. Okay. Not him. Not him. Ezekiel Elliot? Hey, that's number six. Good job.
Starting point is 00:41:10 We need four and five. Aaron Jones? Number seven. Okay. He was a little harsh with the buzzer. Okay. We've got Kamara, Cook, Robinson, and Zeke. Two more here. here get five seconds
Starting point is 00:41:26 to guess both of them? no to guess one of them okay I will say Nick no okay and Kareem Hunt
Starting point is 00:41:44 no no no Okay. And Kareem Hunt. Oh, no. No, no. All right, Dave, you got a chance to steal here. Here's what's off the board. Top six running backs, PPR, Kamara, Cook, Robinson, and Zeke. Numbers four and five are still there. Who you got?
Starting point is 00:41:59 I'm going to go with Josh Jacobs. Oh, good job. That's the winning music. Josh Jacobs. I forgot Derrick Henry. Derrick Henry is also there. Number four is Derrick Henry. Derrick Henry.
Starting point is 00:42:10 Yeah, Jacobs surprised me, and Zeke surprised me a little bit too at number six. Well, touchdowns still matter, you know. Yeah, yeah, I know. Those guys get a bunch of them. Jacobs has eight this year. Jacobs had two last week. Yeah, and I think most of Jacobs' touchdowns
Starting point is 00:42:26 have come in three games, three in week one. Maybe so. I wonder, was Jacobs not in the top six last week? Did he need the two touchdowns? I don't remember how many total yards he had, but a lot of them. Did he need that monster game in order to pull into the top six? Well, probably because he definitely passed Zeke,
Starting point is 00:42:44 who was on a bye, and he probably passed Aaron Jones. He was number 10 last week. How did you do that? How did you know that? I post the top 10 on Instagram every week, so we've got it handy right here. Nice.
Starting point is 00:42:56 All right. Okay, so Dave gets the point. Yes. And I got another top six answers that are on the board. Now I'm looking for our best wide receivers in PPR. Dave. Dave. DeAndre Hopkins.
Starting point is 00:43:12 Is number four. Heath, you have a chance to control the category. Devontae Adams. Is number two. Pass or play, Heath? I'll pass. All right, Dave. We're looking at total points, not per game. Top six wide receivers.
Starting point is 00:43:30 PPR, we've got Adams number two and Hopkins number four. Okay. He was disappointing last week, but DK Metcalf should be up there. He is number five. And Tyreek Hill is pretty good. He is number three. Can you run the names past me again, please?
Starting point is 00:43:46 The ones you haven't gotten or the ones you've gotten? Adams, Hopkins, Metcalf, Tyreek Hill. Yeah, would you like the two that you haven't gotten yet? I mean, that would help. Oh, oh, oh, Stefan Diggs has to be up there. He's number one. Stefan Diggs is number one. Number one, okay.
Starting point is 00:44:02 So now who's the last guy? Number six, number one. Number one. Okay. So now who's the last guy? Number six. Number six. I'm not... Five seconds. Allen Robinson. So I'm just going to guess names when you say five seconds that I just think it might possibly be.
Starting point is 00:44:25 That's typically how the game works. Five seconds. Terry McLaurin. Okay. Uh, no, it can't be Calvin Ridley. He's missing.
Starting point is 00:44:36 Oh, Julio Jones. It's got to be Julio Jones. It is not Julio Jones. It's not Julio Jones. All right, Heath looking for a wide receiver six right now in full PPR. It's one of two guys.
Starting point is 00:44:50 I'm going to... Keenan Allen. Oh, how did I not get Keenan Allen? Because you were right, Dave, and you just won. What? It's not Keenan Allen either? No, it's his number... How did I forget about...
Starting point is 00:45:02 He's number seven. He's four points behind. I don't know what I'm more upset about. I forgot about Keenan Allen or that Keenan Allen isn't top six in PPR. He's seventh. Is it Tyler Lockett? It is Tyler Lockett. That was my other guess.
Starting point is 00:45:16 Tyler Lockett's still number six. All right, Dave gets the points, but Family Feud is a dumb game because it doesn't matter what you do until the final round. We're going to triple the points for the bonus round here. All right. Top six answers are on the board. Exactly how many points do I have, Adam?
Starting point is 00:45:35 Two. Okay. This round is worth three points. Top six leaders in passing yards. Heath. Heath. Heath. Tom Brady. He is number five.
Starting point is 00:45:52 Dave? Patrick Mahomes. He's number six. Heath, you have the board. I'll pass. Wait a second. I only have five. It's top five. So Mahomes so my homes isn't he's number five
Starting point is 00:46:09 all right he's number four brady's number four let me just uh let me just double check on that but the top five doing five then i want to change my answer i'm gonna play the top five okay hold on let me let me just double check top five answers are on the board passing yards one two yeah all right top five uh so we have four and five off the board. Passing yards, one, two. Yeah. All right. Top five. So we have four and five off the board. Brady and Mahomes, you want to play? Why not? Yeah, play. I have to lose. Okay. Go ahead.
Starting point is 00:46:34 Russell Wilson. Number two. Matt Ryan. Number three. So I just need number one now. Yeah, you need the guy who leads the nfl at passing yards that seems like it would be easy enough you think so um five man carson wince who's gonna buy this week who's gonna buy buffalo no no I don't know if that should be
Starting point is 00:47:05 allowed information. It's not one of the buy codes. Aaron Rodgers. Number six. That was going to be my guess. Say to a Taco Filo. Did I already guess, Matt Ryan? Yeah, you have Wilson,
Starting point is 00:47:23 Ryan, Brady, and Mahomes. Who leads the NFL in passing yards, ladies and gentlemen have Wilson, Ryan, Brady, and Mahomes. Who leads the NFL in passing yards, ladies and gentlemen? Wilson, Ryan, Brady, and Mahomes. Drew Brees. All right, Dave. This is it. This is your opportunity to win the game. Otherwise, I'm going to have to find a way to cheat Heath out of a win,
Starting point is 00:47:44 and I don't want to do that. I want you to win outright. I'll give you three minutes to think about this now. Thank you. I appreciate that. Ten seconds. NFL leader in passing yards. Passing yards. Total passing yards.
Starting point is 00:48:01 Yes. How many more seconds do I have? Five. Three. Two. How many more seconds do I have? Five, four, three, two. All right. Josh Allen. Oh, Josh Allen for the win. That's excellent.
Starting point is 00:48:17 Nice work. It was a bye quarterback. I was so hesitant to say it, but then I started thinking about other quarterbacks and there's just no way. And then think about how little Buffalo has run the football. Kind of makes sense. Yeah, that was great. But I was hesitant the whole time.
Starting point is 00:48:33 I was hoping that Heath was going to guess Josh Allen. I was going to say Aaron Rodgers. Heath was like, no, it's going to be like eighth after this week. Maybe, but it is wild that he leads in passing yards. I mean, he has played 10 games. Is he not in the MVP candidate discussion? No. He's not?
Starting point is 00:48:53 I don't think so. He might be toward the bottom of it, but what would the Bills be without him? He has 26 total touchdowns, seven interceptions, and leads the NFL in passing yards, but not per game. Not per game. How many yards is it?
Starting point is 00:49:06 2,871. Wilson will overtake him. Ryan will overtake him this week. Brady will overtake him, but Brady still hasn't had his bye. Holmes will overtake him. Probably that's it. So he'll be top five. Okay. Good stuff, guys.
Starting point is 00:49:23 Let's talk about... Okay, let's do this segment how are we feeling about these guys we'll go a little faster than usual first two robert woods and cooper cup woods is the the uh non-ppr guy now and cup is the ppr guy cup has 18 more targets and 11 more catches and about 100 more yards but woods has two more touchdowns receiving he also has two rushing touchdowns so right now woods is just inside the top 24 per game cooper cup is 40th per game in non-ppr 27th in ppr how are we feeling about these guys borderline number two wide receivers um you said cup has how many more targets 18 it's 78 it's the dolphins game because he had 21 targets in that game he does not that's the only game in his last
Starting point is 00:50:12 six with double digit targets um it's we kind of talked about this with the josh reynolds thing i don't know that we're going to get a good grip on what Sean McVay is going to do over a stretch of four games. But I kind of expect that Woods and Cup are going to be in and out of that wide receiver two range. We thought they were high-end number twos coming into the year. They're now borderline number twos for the rest of the year. I did a little digging on what the Rams have been doing in the red zone. Oh, me too.
Starting point is 00:50:42 Incomplete information. Goff is 28th in pass attempts inside the 10. You're stealing my thunder here. I'm sorry. And 26th and passing touchdowns inside the 10. And on my list of things to check on this week is how the bucks do in the red zone against the pass. And if they're really good there,
Starting point is 00:50:59 then I think it makes them all unplayable. But I, what I always read the comments of Sean McVay, like week in and week out, especially this year with the way the running backs are. He really seems to be buying into the idea of being versatile, using everybody on the roster, kind of what the Colts are doing. And it makes me nervous to start Woods and Cup as number two guys.
Starting point is 00:51:21 I think when he says they're low in number two options, that's probably right about where they're at. And you shouldn't, they're not the, you shouldn't blindly start them every week. You've got to consider other options with those two.
Starting point is 00:51:35 Well, you know, I'm in three receiver leagues with PPR. PPR, three receiver, and a flex. It's hard to get away from them. I blindly start them every week, but I don't feel as good
Starting point is 00:51:43 about my teams as I did when the season started. And Cup, like only two touchdowns for Cup. I mean, that is wild. Jared Goff, once again, has a pretty low touchdown rate. And I think it is just a matter of what we saw last week.
Starting point is 00:51:56 When they get close to the end zone, they hand it off over and over again. And that was a step that really jumped out to me. And now they don't have their left tackle. Yeah, that sucks too. The fact that their next two games are against teams with pretty solid run defenses,
Starting point is 00:52:11 Tampa Bay and San Francisco, maybe that will help. Yeah, all right, so that's those two guys. How do you feel about Joe Mixon? Per game, he is number 13 in non-PPR, number 11 in PPR. Is that basically how you feel about him whenever he comes back? Nothing's changed. Yeah, he's a high-end number two, low-end number one running back when he's healthy.
Starting point is 00:52:35 How do you feel about Austin Eckler compared to Joe Mixon? I think Eckler has a little bit more appeal in PPR for obvious reasons. I am worried that Austin Eckler won't have that 20 touch dominant role upon his return. Okay. But you'd rather have 16 touches for Austin Eckler. If six of them are catches, then 20 touches for Joe Mixon. If two of them are catches.
Starting point is 00:53:01 Sure. Well, right. But remember before Mixon got hurt, he was much more involved in the passing game. He had two games where he was. He had two out of three. He had six catches, six catches, and two catches
Starting point is 00:53:13 in his last three games. Who would you rather have in half PPR, Mixon or Eckler? The biggest problem is I don't know when Mixon's coming back. Or Eckler. Eckler is expected back next week.
Starting point is 00:53:29 It seems like Eckler's a couple of weeks away. The Athletics said expected weeks well. I think Mixon will be back sooner, so I'll take Mixon. Assuming they were both back and it's week 14, it's probably dependent on schedule. They're very close in half PPR. Okay, I'll give you their playoff schedules. Mixon has Miami, Dallasallas and pittsburgh in the playoffs eckler has atlanta las vegas and denver in the playoffs
Starting point is 00:53:53 i would rather have us in eckler yeah that schedule is much better but again i i think i think calum bellage unless he starts to play like joshua Joshua Kelly is not going to go completely away when Eckler's back. I think that's their duo moving forward. Yeah. But, but like, if you look at Eckler,
Starting point is 00:54:11 his first three games were really good. And in those three games, Josh Kelly had 12 carries, 23 carries and eight carries. So he's definitely got a split, but it's eight to 12. We've mentioned that number, that range for the second running back with the chargers for a while. He's definitely going to split. It's 8-12. We've mentioned that number,
Starting point is 00:54:26 that range for the second running back with the Chargers for a while. But we saw four games without Melvin Gordon last year. Austin Eckler averaged 20 touches a game. Three games this year before he got hurt, he had 20, 20, and 23 touches. So he probably is a 20-touchback. I was going to ask you about some other players, but you covered them.
Starting point is 00:54:43 I was going to ask you about Mark Andrews, Ronald Jones, Amari Cooper. So the last guy I wanted to ask you about some other players, but you covered them. I was going to ask you about Mark Andrews, Ronald Jones, Amari Cooper. So the last guy I wanted to ask you about was Justin Jefferson and how we go about figuring out when to start Justin Jefferson. It's just a target issue basically. It really is. So yeah, how do you feel about Justin Jefferson
Starting point is 00:54:58 rest of season? I love the talent. I wish the, I love the talent. I wish the Vikings would consistently pass more often and take advantage of this awesome receiver that they have on their team. I think he's slightly better on a week to week, but the same type of guy on a week to week basis as Christian Kirk. Where would you say the same thing about him versus the Rams receivers? Like, is he a low-end number two receiver that you consider with other guys from week to week?
Starting point is 00:55:31 And maybe you just say, okay, he's got the most upside. You just have to hope that things break that way. I would start Jefferson over the Rams in non-PPR and the Rams over Jefferson in full PPR, I think. But yeah, they're in the same range. I'd be tempted to start Jefferson over the Rams guys this week. Could see a decent high-scoring game with the
Starting point is 00:55:54 Vikings and the Cowboys. I don't know. I mean, look, I also think that Dalvin Cook's going to have a really good game. And so usually when Dalvin Cook does well, the receivers don't. Yeah, that's kind of the issue. Are the Cowboys going to have a really good game. And so usually when Dalvin Cook does well, the receivers don't. Yeah, that's kind of the issue. Are the Cowboys going to put up...
Starting point is 00:56:09 This is me talking out loud, Adam. I'm thinking out loud. This is me talking out loud. This is me listening, Dave. Come me some slack. It's nine in the morning. I'm wondering if the Cowboys can put up points to force the Vikings to have to throw a little bit.
Starting point is 00:56:27 And the matchup's going to be great for Jefferson if they do. This is me asking you a question. Who would you rather have, Justin Jefferson or Amari Cooper? Jefferson or Cooper, rest of season? Format dependent. Okay, then I'm always going to ask half PPR. I would give the nod to cooper in a half ppr but they're they're exactly tied on the trade chart in non-ppr cooper one point higher in full ppr okay
Starting point is 00:56:55 okay good to know now we're going to finish the show with some emails and apple podcast questions here first some emails fantasy football atcbsi.com from Trevor. We need some starters. Sid here. Dear some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath, who butchered Jamie's spelling. The spelling of Jamie's name butchered it. PPR. I in front of the M. J-A-I-M-E.
Starting point is 00:57:18 Jamie is J-A-M-E-Y, ladies and gentlemen. Okay, PPR. Give me a tight end and a flex. Hurst. There's no I in Jamie. Hurst, Gurley, Gronk, Goddard. Pick a tight end. Hurst, Gurley,
Starting point is 00:57:33 Hurst, Gronk, Goddard. Hurst, Gronk. And then a flex. Gurley or another tight end. Did you say full PPR? Yeah. I think I might take Hearst over Gurley. Oh, Gurley could really suck against the Saints.
Starting point is 00:57:52 Yeah. But he'll probably score. That's what he does. Okay, from... I don't know who this is from. Dave, give me a name and a city. Peter from Boston, Massachusetts. Hey, Adam, Dave, JB, Heath, and Ben.
Starting point is 00:58:08 I love the show. I will even listen if I'm mathematically eliminated this week. Thank you. Standard scoring. I lost last week because I started golf instead of Ben Roethlisberger. All right. Well, who do I start this week?
Starting point is 00:58:21 So here's his lineup. Big Ben or golf? Ben. Ben. He's got Nick Chubb, Kareem Hunt, and Mike Davis on his bench. Kenyon Drake. Would you start Drake over any of them? No. He's got Lockett and Fuller in his lineup.
Starting point is 00:58:36 He has David Moore and Nelson Aguilar on his bench. So if Lockett's out, do you go Moore or Aguilar? Could also be DJ Moore. Oh. No. I think he was asking it. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. Could also be DJ Moore. Oh. No. I think he was asking it. Yeah. Yeah, you're right.
Starting point is 00:58:48 It could be DJ Moore. Sorry. Okay. Moore, then DJ Moore. DJ Moore over Aguilar. And I'd probably go with Aguilar over David Moore. Okay. And I would start Kelsey over Jordan Akins.
Starting point is 00:59:01 I would too. Okay, good. Are you sure? Yeah, I would. This is from Undecided. Where's Undecided from, Dave? I don't know. I can't decide. Rank these three players. That was my joke. Woods.
Starting point is 00:59:12 This is me stealing your joke. Woods. Oh, I'm sorry. Not rank these three. Pick three. Robert Woods, Chase Edmonds, Kalen Balazs, Sivan Ahmed, and David Moore. Flock, it's out.
Starting point is 00:59:27 We don't know a format. I'm going to go with Balazs, Woods, and Edmonds. Over Ahmed? Over Ahmed and Moore. I would want to get Ahmed in there. I'd probably put
Starting point is 00:59:43 Ahmed. If it's PPR. I'd probably put Ahmed, if it's PPR, I'd probably put Ahmed in over Edmonds, even though Edmonds could be pretty good in PPR. And non-PPR, it's easy to put Edmonds last on the list. So yeah, Edmonds out, Ahmed in. In non-PPR, I'll agree with Dave and put Ahmed ahead of Edmonds. From Dylan Dusty Silverman.
Starting point is 01:00:04 Where's he from? He's from Springfield. He's Dusty Silverman. Where's he from? He's from Springfield. He's Dusty Springfield. Hey, sorry, Dave. Heath's meat, Adam's wallet, Dave's crush on Rivers, and gotta go buy.
Starting point is 01:00:14 Should I do this trade? I'm seven and three. And I was trying to trade Thielen, but he countered with this. My DeAndre Swift for his Keenan Allen. I have Cook, Swift, Madison, Eckler, and Dobbins. No.
Starting point is 01:00:31 Run those running backs for me again, please. Cook, Swift, Madison, Eckler, Dobbins. So you have to start Dobbins until Eckler's back. And he's got good receivers. Cup, Thielen, Ridley, Curtis, Stebo, Samuel, Curtis, Samuel. I don't know. No. He needs the receiver. No, he needs the's back. And he's got good receivers. Kup, Thielen, Ridley, Curtis, Stebo Samuel, Curtis Samuel, I don't know. He needs the receiver. No, he needs the running back.
Starting point is 01:00:52 Wait, he says he's giving up Swift to get Keenan Allen. Yeah. I love it. What? That's picking up great value for DeAndre Swift. He has to start J.K. Dobbins. Okay. He's also going to get to start Keenan Allen. Over Ridley or Thielen?
Starting point is 01:01:08 Well, okay, okay. If he can start four wide receivers, then it makes it better. Then he can start Cup, Thielen, Ridley, and Keenan Allen. We just got done talking about how Cup is a low-end number two wide receiver that we might not want to start. Keenan Allen is a no-brainer slam dunk start every week. But the fact that he has Eckler, that gives him a little leeway to make this trade,
Starting point is 01:01:27 and he's 7-3. Oh, I'm sorry. It is three wide receivers and a flex. So look, it's a little risky, but if Eckler comes back and he's great, then in your playoffs, you're starting Cook or Madison if he gets hurt. You're starting Eckler, and then you're starting those four receivers. Kup, Thielen, Ridley, Allen.
Starting point is 01:01:44 But Swift is pretty good, too. Swift had a great game last week. starting Eckler and then you're starting those four receivers cup feeling Ridley Allen but I but Swift is pretty good too Swift had a great game last week let's and in his playing time has gone up everything is going his way but he's still with the Lions and there's still always the chance that they revert to something stupid I think turning him into who would we all agree that look he's seventh right now. We just played Fantasy Feud. He's been amazing this year. We shouldn't even be discussing this.
Starting point is 01:02:13 Swift is good. Allen is significantly better. You will score more points rest of the season with Allen and PPR than you will with Swift. That's true, but I'm not sure that you will score more points
Starting point is 01:02:22 with Allen and Dobbins than you will with Swift and Samuel. Yeah, but you are getting Eckler back and potentially next week. And who's on the waiver wire? Can he still pick up one of the guys? Can he still pick up Ahmed to get by this week at least? Can he get Carlos Hyde for this week at least? This has been a good discussion.
Starting point is 01:02:40 I think Dusty Springfield has a lot to think about here. Good stuff. it's a really interesting way to approach the eckler situation i guess apple podcast questions from s kelly row gall man single-handedly earned this five-star review nice all right uh from cook is my father do i do this trade in my? I'm in first place. Give James Conner and Mike Evans. Get Austin Eckler and Adam Thielen. Conner and Evans for Eckler and Thielen.
Starting point is 01:03:14 I don't like it. I'd stick with Conner and Evans. Okay. Yeah, I feel super uncomfortable evaluating every single person involved in this trade. Connor really has more. Connor had an amazing
Starting point is 01:03:32 he looked, I shouldn't say amazing. He had a great run last week. 16 yard run. It was well blocked and he had good speed. Legit good speed. But there were a lot of other runs where his line was laying him down. He was laying himself down, his vision wasn't great, and he's not getting the typical
Starting point is 01:03:47 workload that we are kind of accustomed to seeing from James Conner. Last question here from Saquon Eckler, first two picks. Gray the trade. Yeah, I know. James Robinson, Chase Claypool, and Justin Herbert.
Starting point is 01:04:04 Robinson, Claypool, and Herbert for Miles Sanders and DeAndre Hopkins. It's going to be pretty close to even. Don't hate it. I would prefer the Sanders-Hopkins side. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. Thanks for listening today. Much appreciated. Tomorrow, the AFC home games,
Starting point is 01:04:23 plus a Jacob Gibbs stats segment for you as well. Twitch tomorrow, 4pm Eastern. We'll be answering your questions for Dave and Heath and Ben. I am Adam. Have a great Wednesday. Talk to you Thursday.

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