Fantasy Football Today - Trade Talk, Cardinals-Seahawks, Fantasy Feud! (11/18 Fantasy Football Podcast)
Episode Date: November 18, 2020As your trade deadline approaches we've got more buy low (3:23) and sell high (13:55) players for you. Can Joe Burrow have a big second half? Now is the time to get Austin Ekeler and Raheem Mostert. N...ow is the time to sell Ronald Jones. And what do we think about James Robinson's upcoming schedule (20:40) and can the Seahawks DST actually be a league winner!? ... News and notes (25:30) and a Cardinals-Seahawks preview (28:15). Do we trust D.K. Metcalf against Patrick Peterson? What do you do if Tyler Lockett is out? Who is the best RB in this game? ... Let's play Fantasy Feud (39:30)! Dave and Heath compete for no prizes! Then we'll talk about some inconsistent players (49:30) like Cooper Kupp, Joe Mixon and Justin Jefferson ... Your emails at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com and your questions via Apple Podcast You can also download and subscribe to the full-length Fantasy Football Today podcast here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-podcast/id261735167 Follow the new FFT Twitch channel: https://www.twitch.tv/FFToday Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @BenSchragg Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCviK78rIWXhZdFzJ1Woi7Fg/videos Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, Heath, and Ben.
Wednesday show, Trade Talk today.
And we don't have a lot of these left.
I think this might be our last buy low, sell high episode.
Maybe some last minute ones next week.
But Thanksgiving is usually kind of an arbitrary cutoff,
an arbitrary trade deadline that a lot of leagues use that Thanksgiving week.
We welcome you, everybody.
Pretty soon we'll start talking about side dishes and things of that sort.
But today it's all fantasy football. Oh oh and the fantasy feud later in the show guys first time this year we're playing the
host isn't allowed to kiss the contestants oh all right all right we can negotiate as we go along. Happy Wednesday. Happy hump day, guys.
Ooh, yeah. Yeah, I'm fired up
for some buy lows and some sell highs.
I've got a long list. I've been checking it
twice. Wrong holiday.
Wrong holiday. Wrong holiday.
Get me to the Thursday game.
Oh, that's going to be a shootout. We're looking forward to that.
And in case you missed it...
Well, maybe. Yeah, right. If you don't lock it, that forward to that. And in case you missed it... Well, maybe. Yeah, right. Maybe. If you don't lock it,
that would be a problem. Okay, in case you
missed it, Kyler Murray
is averaging more
fantasy points per game than Mahomes in
2018 and Lamar Jackson
in 2019. How about
that? He's having
that year.
And Russell Wilson is, too.
I don't know if he's averaging more than those guys,
but it's very close.
Not so much in four-point
because he hasn't been rushing for touchdowns,
but yeah, let's put it in perspective.
What was the average for Lamar in 2019
and Mahomes in 2018?
In six-point?
Yeah.
Somewhere around 31, 32.
Okay.
I believe I saw that in four-point, Patrick Mahomes
is actually averaging a career
high this year, yet he's third.
He's having
this underrated fantasy
superstar season. Everyone's
talking about Kyler and Wilson and Mahomes.
He's the current MVP, right?
I'm not so sure.
I don't think it's
a slam-dunk case. I think Aaron Rodgers is earning it, and't think it's a slam dunk case.
Because I think Aaron Rodgers is earning it,
and I think Kyler Murray is earning it,
and you never know what Russell will pull out of his hat.
I think Russ lost it.
He can try and get it back.
I think he's trying to get it, and that's what's costing him numbers.
Who's the current MVP?
That's what Heath asked.
I guess it's Mahomes, but again, I think you can make the case for Rodgers.
I don't know.
And Kyler.
25-1 touchdown interception rate.
Is that good for Mahomes?
Pretty good.
All right, I'll tell you real quick, and then we'll move on.
Kyler Murray is averaging 33.3 points per game this year.
Russell Wilson, 32.5.
So remember those numbers.
2018, Mahomes was 32.2.
So Wilson and Murray are both better than that.
And 2019, Lamar Jackson was 32.5,
which is exactly what Russell Wilson is this year,
but it is behind Kyler Murray.
Okay, so let the trade talk begin.
Who's got some fun buy lows
for the people?
I got some buy lows.
All right, Dave, hit me with it.
What about which position you want first?
Can I just pick the position?
Yeah.
Good, I will.
Joe Burrow,
as a buy low quarterback,
you just lost Drew Brees
or you've been streaming the position and you're tired of doing
the waiver work or you don't want to trust
Jameis Winston. This is the quarterback
to trade for and I think he'll be probably
the cheapest of all the
quarterbacks that might be available to you via
trade that don't
suck. I like
that his offensive line is going to get healthy.
I like his receivers. Obviously, the
game script every week is going to be pass friendly.
And the matchups.
Washington this week.
Then the Giants at Miami could be tough.
Then Dallas.
Pittsburgh at home is going to be tough.
At Houston in week 16.
Ooh.
At Houston.
Wow.
So, like, and I was skeptical of this one yesterday.
But I think it's probably just a difference in this week's ranking.
You have Joe Burrow ranked as a top 10 quarterback this week?
I have Burrow...
Actually, I'm 14th as of now.
Could make a switch to get him inside the top 12.
That was my whole thing.
I don't know that Joe Burrow is a top 12 quarterback.
He's not against Pittsburgh or Miami.
Right, this, he's against
Washington, and
he probably should be a little bit higher.
Maybe he should make the cut.
I don't believe that Washington's defense
is great against the pass, even though the numbers said
going into last week that it was. That was my question.
And Washington and the Giants
are both top 12 against
quarterbacks. I don't know. If you buy that, which apparently you don't.
Then he has a terrible schedule.
I think more.
I just think Washington and the Giants are in that large group of defenses that you just don't really consider.
And Joe Burrow has kind of been a quarterback.
That's not a top 12 guy unless he has a great matchup, right?
You can go back and see,
but obviously some of the matchups they had against tough defenses,
he was absolutely dreadful.
Yeah, he's only had two.
But we're talking about really good defenses.
Two big games, they were both against Cleveland,
and he scored 24 fantasy points in overtime at Philadelphia.
So really just the thing with him is touchdowns, right?
I mean, he's got 12 touchdowns in nine games.
That's what it usually is with the rookie quarterbacks.
It is. Not Justin Herbert.
But yeah, that is a
problem. All right. So Dave says Joe Burrow
is a buy low. And
Dave, I think you have some more
for us. Sure. How about a tight
end Mark Andrews,
who it doesn't have so much
to do about Nick Boyle getting hurt, although I do think that should lead to more snaps for Andrews, who it doesn't have so much to do about Nick Boyle getting hurt,
although I do think that should lead to more snaps for Andrews.
But Baltimore's got to figure out their passing game.
And I think they're finally realizing that they can't force it through Hollywood Brown.
Not that they were trying a ton, but they were trying to a degree.
And Andrews was a good target hog last week.
And I think they're going to continue to try and get him going. to a degree. And Andrews was a good target hog last week.
And I think they're going to continue to try and get him going.
And maybe the timing's not perfect
to say he's a buy low
because he's coming off of a pretty good game
for a tight end anyway.
But I think if you've got him,
you should feel good about it.
And if you can trade for him,
don't overpay,
but give up maybe a little bit more
than you might have expected
to a week ago for him.
Okay.
Did you want to keep going? Sure.
Randy Mostert could be back after the bye.
Who else do the 49ers have at running
back but him? He's been good when he's played.
Offensive line is still a pretty good strength in
their matchups. Their only tough matchup, I think,
is against the Rams
in Week 12. After that, it's the Bills,
Washington, at Dallas, at
Arizona.
I'm thinking Mostert can be somebody that can help people
have easier
lineup decisions in the fantasy
playoffs. Do you think he's going to be a
Mostert running back, Restaway?
I think he's going to be pretty close to Mostert, yes.
You know, even in PPR leagues,
per game, he is
ninth.
This is a guy who has 11 catches
in four games, which isn't that bad. It's pretty good
for him, I guess.
He's certainly not
Alvin Kamara, but he's been great
this year, Raheem Mostert.
Top 10 guys so far. I traded away
Raheem Mostert
in a league yesterday. Wow.
Someone bought
low on him. I think Dave should,
should evaluate my trade.
I think so.
It was in the auction league where I had five running backs on IR and I'm
three and seven.
So I have to win out.
So I sent an offer to each of the seven and three teams offering them my IR
running backs for somebody that might help me
win now, we'll see.
I traded
Austin Eckler,
Raheem Mostert,
Marquise Brown,
and Mike Kosicki.
So you can guess with Marquise Brown and Mike
Kosicki who I traded these players to, if you
remember our shows in the offseason.
To Ben Gretch.
For Mike Gosticki, who I traded these players to, if you remember our shows in the offseason. Yes. To Ben Gretsch.
For Matt Ryan, Todd Gurley, Duke Johnson, T. Higgins, and TJ Hawkinson.
So you can kind of break it down.
It's Gosticki for Hawkinson.
So that's a win for you. Yeah.
Marquis Brown for T. Higgins. It's a win for for Hawkinson. So that's a win for you. Yeah. Marquis Brown for T. Higgins.
It's a win for you.
Giant win.
But then you are giving up Eckler and Mostert
for Gurley, Duke Johnson, and Matt Ryan.
Yeah, you got to do what you got to do.
No, I think if you're trying to win now,
that's a very good trade.
And it's probably a very good trade for Ben.
He's already locked into the playoffs.
If Austin Eckler and Raheem Mostert come back,
he just turned a pile of poo into a pair of top 20 running backs.
And that's really what you...
First of all, it's not a pile of poo.
It's solid players.
Solid players who have the upside to be good.
And he's getting guys that he wants for the playoff run.
He's consolidated his depth.
This is exactly what you should do either way, depending on where you're at in your
league.
Been preaching it for years.
If you're fighting for a playoff spot like Heath and you're three and seven and you think
you're going to make it, even though you've got seven losses, okay, bud, go ahead.
But that's the type of trade that you make to try and win.
Now you give up that great depth.
And if you're seven and three, like Ben, now you've got some studs down the line make your team harder to beat added bonus i'm playing ben
this week so i trade them all the players that's great that's nice great you should be four and
seven and are you you're mathematically very much alive in that league to make the playoffs i mean
about very much i don't know i don't know very much but it feels like in a majority of my leagues, there will be a 6-7
team that gets into the playoffs. I feel that way
too. In a bunch of leagues I'm in,
there's a lot of teams that are 5-5.
I don't want to talk about my record
in that league. Let's talk about a different league.
Just real quick, how about our podcast
league? I'm going to take a look at the standings.
It's a 14-team league. Why would we look at that league?
How about our telethon league?
Let's take a look at our telethon league standings. In's a 14-team league. Why would we look at that league? How about our telethon league? Let's take a look at our
telethon league standings. In our
podcast league, it's a 14-team
league. 12 teams are
somewhere between 4-6 and 6-4.
That's incredible.
I am not one of those 12 teams.
There's a Heath team that's 2-8. But other than that,
6-4 to 4-6.
12 of the 14 teams. A ton of
parity there. Raheem Mostert, Joe Burrow, Mark Andrews for Dave.
Let's just go ahead and throw Austin Eckler in there as well
or anyone you can get on IR that you don't need right now.
Take advantage of the teams that need someone right now.
A perfect example of what Heath just gave.
Heath, you got any bylaws?
You can't.
Please not David Montgomery.
We haven't talked about this guy very much,
but what about David Montgomery? No, please no. No, you can any buy lows? You can't. We haven't talked about this guy very much, but what about David Montgomery?
No, please, no.
No, you can't.
Like, no.
It's just like, it's every week.
Well, he didn't play last week.
Nothing happened to change his value.
You know, I really liked the Raheem Mostert
and the Austin Eckler ones from Dave.
I am cautiously optimistic about the Cowboys
coming out of their bye week.
I expect them to be a little bit better
with Andy Dalton under center
than they were with Ben DiNucci or Garrett Gilbert.
I am cautiously optimistic about buying low on Cooper, Lamb.
And even, like, I was kind of surprised when I was looking.
I was writing the tight end preview this week
and looking at tight ends
that were just, like, close to six targets per week.
Because if you think about that, that's 96 targets.
That's a good year for a tight end.
I was trying to find some way
to keep from chasing last week's touchdowns at tight end that's kind of what
i was trying to say on sunday and did a bad job of but i think at this position that is so terribly
inconsistent if you're constantly going after the guy who was just good last week you're probably
never going to score any points at tight end because none of them are good two or three weeks in a row. And Dalton Schultz, surprisingly, even as of late,
is right in that six target per week range.
So I'm cautiously optimistic about buying low
on pretty much all of the Cowboys.
Man, I even put in a bid for...
Two sacks allowed in their last game,
and that was against Pittsburgh,
and that was with Garrett Gilbert.
So I think that offensive line is starting to get a little bit better
and maybe the bye week
will help them get a little healthier
and Dalton is clearly healthier.
I kind of agree.
It's stupid to say this,
but the Cowboys have every reason
to come out of their bye
thinking they're in the playoff race.
Oh yeah, absolutely.
Of course they are.
Yeah.
I even put in a bid for Michael Gallup
yesterday at a PPR three-wide receiver league. Just anyone who gets targets, I guess, Oh, yeah, absolutely. Of course they are. Yeah. I even put in a bid for Michael Gallup yesterday
at a PPR three-wide receiver league.
Just anyone who gets targets, I guess,
plus all these bye weeks.
Bye week's almost over, thankfully.
Okay, so Joe Burrow, Mark Andrews,
Rene Mostert for Dave,
Dallas guys for Heath,
and that's it?
Move on?
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Sell high.
Dave,
who are you selling?
I don't know if I have a very great list for selling high.
That's been any different than what it's the guys i've named before like i've had
mike evans on the list i'm still a little skeptical that he can keep putting up big
numbers i know last week he definitely did good josh allen same exact thing i i wouldn't mind
shopping those guys around to see what i could get okay but not nothing i don But I don't want to say get them off your team.
Forget about it.
They're going to be losers for your squad.
It's more like, well, if you've got good receiver depth
and Evans is part of your squad, see what you can get.
If you've got a good quarterback behind Josh Allen,
go ahead and see what you can get.
But I'm not telling you that they're going to be bad.
I'm just saying that there's a chance that their value
could be at pretty big highs right now.
Yeah, Josh Allen's really interesting. If you look at his season, you break it down. First four games, he's
incredible. 31, 41, 38, 29 points in six
point leagues. Next four games, he's 12 to 19 points
at Tennessee, Kansas City, Jets, Patriots, and what's wrong
with Josh Allen, this and that.
And then the last two games, 41 points against Seattle,
and then 29 points at Arizona,
but he really wasn't having a great game.
He threw 49 times, and he had that touchdown pass to Stephon Diggs.
So it's hard to really get a measure on what kind of quarterback
Josh Allen's going to be in the final five games of the fantasy season
after his bye this week.
Chargers, Niners, Steelers, Broncos, Patriots.
Yeah, he's kind of up and down,
and I think John Brown has a lot to do with it, quite frankly,
because he played hurt for some of that stretch, that bad stretch.
But that's just a theory.
I don't know if that's what it is, but it kind of makes sense.
So hopefully he can get healthy.
Heath, any sell highs?
I can bring up one that
everybody's talking about if you need me to.
I
pretty much am always in favor of
selling Ronald Jones after he has a big
game.
And I would
do that right now. Another one of his teammates,
Rob Gronkowski,
saw his targets fall to three last week, but he scored the long
touchdown, and so everything was rosy.
I don't think it's very likely
that Gronk's going to be good
with AB, Godwin, and Evans
all there. If he is,
then that means they're throwing it 40 times a game,
and Ronald Jones probably isn't going to be what he has been.
Those two kind of stand out to me.
I feel like the only way you're going to get anything decent for Jones
is if someone is still desperate for running backs.
I think a lot of teams are desperate for running backs.
Sort of. They're desperate for reliable studs.
But we're coming off of a waiver-wear week where there were at least three guys
that theoretically could help you this week and two of those three that could help you in the
next few weeks so i think the pressure might be off in that regard and i'm not sure ronald jones
has significantly more value than the guys that you just picked up off the waiver wire
because people are going to be skeptical.
Oh yeah.
Well,
some people will maybe,
I don't know.
I just don't know.
I don't mind trying to sell high.
Just don't,
don't have,
don't have grand expectations for what you're going to get.
Okay. You're not going to get Chris Godwin in a trade for Ronald Jones.
Now,
listen,
we got to,
we got to talk about the Antonio Brown situation here,
by the way,
and the NFL is investigating it,
looking into it.
You know, are you going to,
if you're making trades involving Evans or Goblin,
are you doing it assuming that Antonio Brown
is still going to be on the team rest of season?
Yeah, I'd rather trade Brown
and hope that somebody's not reading the news,
which isn't nice and you shouldn't do that,
but I'm not trading Evans and Goblin currently.
No, I guess I meant like uh you know
if you're evaluating those bucks are you doing it with the thought that antonio brown will be there
because you just said rob gronkowski and yeah i mean totally get it the targets have been lower
and you know with with brown but should we be thinking brown's not going to be there or should
we be thinking brown is going to be the n NFL's investigating an incident where he um did some property damage yeah and perhaps violated his
probation obviously I don't know how severe it is but it's it's it's not nothing it's not nothing
but he's still with the team and practicing and doing all that stuff. The plug could get pulled at any time,
but look,
I don't think anybody's going to try and trade for AB anyway.
You'd have to throw them in,
in a deal in order to get them off your team.
So those are some buy lows and sell highs for you here.
And I'm going to have,
I got one or two more to throw at you in a bit,
and then we're going to evaluate some players later.
We got a bit of a big show,
big show coming up.
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and a good schedule. Here's your bad schedule let's talk about james robinson
top seven running back seventh and non-fifth in ppr per game terrific season for him he has had
such an easy schedule in week one he faced the colts their second against the run he was okay
16 carries 62 yards one catch 28 yards wasn't Wasn't as involved in the passing game in that week.
Since then, the teams he has faced currently rank 25th, 22nd, 17th, 31st, 32nd, 15th, 31st, and 30th against running backs.
And the two teams that were 15th and 17th, they stink against the run.
They're the Bengals and the Chargers.
So Robinson's had an easy schedule.
And now look. Pittsburgh,
they're first. Cleveland, fourth.
They're not really that good, but they're
fourth. Minnesota, 15th.
Tennessee, 24th.
Baltimore, sixth. Chicago, ninth.
And then Week 17, the Colts.
Uh-oh!
James Robinson's schedule
is getting tougher, guys. Do you care?
Sure.
I think you just made the case for James Robinson as a sell high.
Is he though or is he just bulletproof at this point?
I hesitate to say he's bulletproof.
I don't know if I really want to give him that title,
but he's been really, really good.
And I do know that Chris Thompson's on IR.
And so that means he's going to continue to have that role in the passing game
and certainly get a lot of carries on the ground.
It's hard to say just get him off your team
or trade him for something of fair value.
I think you need somebody to grossly overpay for James Robinson
if you're going to deal him.
Otherwise, I think you just continue to ride the running back.
I think the thing is, and this kind of illustrates the way I look at schedule,
there's one of those matchups in the next four that matter to me.
And I think you would agree with that too, Adam.
And then the Ravens and Bears, a month from now,
who knows who's even on their team or who's active.
We saw with the Bears,
their run defense is amazing.
And then Akeem Hicks gets hurt
and all of a sudden,
Dalvin Cook's getting
seven yards to carry.
And in the case of Baltimore,
it's Calais Campbell
and Brandon Williams.
We don't think those
are long-term injuries,
but they're not going to happen
this week.
Who knows if they'll have
anything to hurt again
before a month from now.
Right.
Yeah, no, I mean, look, Cleveland, Minnesota, Tennessee.
I don't think you fret about those, but Pittsburgh, maybe you do this week.
Cleveland's run defense has been pretty good.
Like just over the balance of the season.
I wouldn't say that they're world beaters or anything like that.
Yeah.
I think they've got a pretty good.
They ended up having a pretty good linebacker unit after all.
Right.
Baltimore, Chicago in weeks 15 and 16 scare me a little bit.
But all right.
Just giving you a heads up, James Robinson managers.
You can do what you want to do.
And then the good schedule alert.
Yeah, I was not aware of this, but people have been emailing, tweeting about it.
The Seahawks DST.
No, you're not going to start that this week against Arizona.
But then there are next four games. Philadelphia, 26th against DST. No, you're not going to start that this week against Arizona. But then their next four games.
Philadelphia, 26th against DSTs.
The Giants, 28th.
The Jets, 32nd.
And Washington, 30th.
It's basically three NFC East teams and the Jets,
who are the only team that's worse than the NFC East teams.
The Seahawks DST.
Are they going to win you a league?
I'm nervous trusting bad DSDs,
even in good matchups.
Been saying that for years.
I think their linebackers are great.
I think adding Carlos Dunlap is good.
They're starting to get a little bit better
on the defensive line.
I don't think Jamal Adams is playing at 100%.
And I don't think the corners are playing well at all.
I think that's pretty obvious,
given how bad they've been against the past.
I don't mind picking them up before their game on Thursday,
carrying them through week 11 and into week 12
as a possible starting option,
and then using them at Philadelphia just to see.
I wouldn't commit to them as,
okay, this is my DST that's going to win me my league.
That's what I'd speculate on, though.
All right.
Just thought I'd bring it up because it's pretty funny.
Okay.
You're not the only one that brought it up.
Yeah, I know.
Other smart people have brought it up to me, too.
I think a lot of the matchups are favorable for them,
but I do think that...
I don't think the Eagles' offense is as bad as it was this past week,
and I think the Giants' offense is starting to play a little bit better.
The nice thing is, with those two games in the middle,
even when the Giants' defense is playing better,
Daniel Jones, generally you can count him for at least one turnover,
often two per game, even when he's at his best.
Not recently, but yes. Yes yes you can uh even when he
doesn't turn the ball over he just wants to he just doesn't feel right when he isn't news and
notes tyler lockett missed like i think he fumbled out of bounds one of the last two games something
like that uh tyler lockett missed practice with a knee issue carlos hyde practiced in full chris
carson was limited so we're going to talk about that game, but
all right, David Moore, keep an eye
on him, I guess.
Pretty swaying, too.
We're going to get into it, because I think it's
worth asking. You look at what Peterson's
done against Metcalf the last two times
they've faced off. If you have a
limited Metcalf, and then you
have, and I don't know that you do, I'll ask
you guys, and then you have no Tyler Lockett,
what would that mean for Russell Wilson?
We'll find out.
But Carlos Hyde did practice, so make sure you add him,
and Chris Carson was limited.
Obviously, if Carson goes, you're not going to want Hyde.
But if Hyde goes and Carson doesn't,
do you think Hyde gets the bulk,
or do you think he splits fairly evenly with Alex Collins?
I think he gets the majority.
I don't know if it's going to be like a 70-30 deal,
but let's call it 60-40.
I think they're desperate for a consistent run game.
Some quarterback news.
Drew Locke does not have fractured ribs,
but he may not play this week against Miami.
Chicago, Nick Foles doesn't have a serious injury, but he may not play this week against Miami. Chicago, Nick Foles doesn't have a serious
injury, but he may lose his job
anyway. They may make a quarterback change after their
bye week. So if you're in a 2QB
league, I guess you could look at Trubisky.
Matthew Stafford has a partial tear in his
throwing thumb, but he is expected to play.
Kyle Shanahan is hopeful that
Mostert, Tevin Coleman,
and Samuel and Debo will all be back next
week. Alan Lazard is off IR, 68% rostered,
only 17 targets in three games,
and that was four targets in one game,
five targets in one game,
and eight targets in one game.
You don't need a ton of targets
to be good with Aaron Rodgers.
We know that.
But Alan Lazard, 68% rostered.
Heath, is that porridge too low,
too high, or just right?
It's what's Marquez Valdez-Scantling's roster percentage. Heath? Is that porridge too low, too high, or just right? What's
Marquez Valdez-Scantling's roster
percentage? It was about 30
going into
waivers. I would still
rather roster Lazard than I would MVS.
Okay. Same.
He is
34%. I think he should be closer to 80%.
Oh, all right. Porridge is too
cold then. Lazard is at 68. Porridge is too cold then.
Lazard is at 68.
MVS is at 34,
according to what I'm looking at now.
Wow.
I think MVS may be a little too low as well,
but like 80-40 is what I'd go with.
All right.
Well, we got some segments left.
You know what?
Why don't we preview the game?
We'll preview the game.
Make sure we get... Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.
Let's do it.
And then after the game,
it's Fantasy Feud.
And then I'm going to ask you about a whole bunch of players.
And I wanted to talk about a preseason strategy that went right.
Get your thoughts on that.
I hope we have time for that.
We have emails and Apple Podcast questions as well.
But Arizona is at Seattle.
First meeting was a 37-34 thriller in overtime.
Russell Wilson scored 35 points.
Kyler Murray scored 42 points. It
was great
except DK Metcalf had two catches for
23 yards and Kenyon Drake wasn't
very good. He had 14 carries for 34 yards
and he left with an injury. Chase Edmonds
was good. All right.
Which quarterback you like better?
Kyler Murray.
Yeah. Probably an easy
one right now.
I'm starting to get a little nervous about Russ.
Yeah, let's do the Cardinals first.
Let's get that out of the way.
Kyler Murray, number one, number one,
and I think number three for Heath.
The Arizona running backs.
Now, one thing that, like last week,
the Seahawks run defense,
it wasn't quite as good
as it normally is.
And I don't know if it's,
they lost one of their
rotational defensive tackles,
Brian Moan.
And that's why they promoted
Damon Harrison
from the practice squad.
But it wasn't, you know,
it was a little bit worse.
But, you know,
this is a team that
Seattle has actually
a pretty good run defense
this year.
So what do we think about Kenyon Drake and Chase Edmonds this week, guys?
So with Drake, I think he's still the better one in non-PPR,
but you're starting him with the idea of him scoring.
Like he's got to come through with a touchdown.
I'm not counting on him to get 100 yards.
Seattle's allowed six touchdowns on the ground to running backs in their past three games,
but 3.2 yards per carry in those games. So their linebackers are getting better.
Their D lines playing a little bit better. Drake has just been okay. Pretty much for the balance
of the season. There were times where he was looking better than he did earlier in the year,
but he's got a score. I don't think he can get you 10 non PPR points without the touchdown.
And he's definitely not going to get you to 15 PPR points unless he has a monster game because he doesn't catch the ball. He doesn't
play third downs. Edmonds is the much better start in PPR. And that would mean that Drake
is at best a flex in PPR and half PPR. And Edmonds is a flex in non-PPR.
So yeah, the Seahawks,
they do give up the fourth most rushing touchdowns per game
to running backs.
And they also give up 30 or more receiving yards
to 30 running backs this year,
to six running backs this year.
Wow.
Six running backs.
So both Edmonds and Drake have something going for them
in that regard.
How about Ronald Jones versus these guys?
What would you do?
Joe? How about Ronald Jones versus these guys? What would you do? Rojo.
I think I've got Drake higher in non-PPR
because I feel a little bit better
about his chances to score than Rojo.
Okay.
How about Duke Johnson?
I don't want to start Duke.
If I don't have to.
Yeah.
I'm probably starting Duke over both.
Drake, Jones, Duke.
In PPR?
Not in PPR.
And yeah, different in PPR.
What about Edmonds?
I'd go Duke, Edmonds, Drake, and PPR.
I'd go Edmonds, Duke, Drake, Jones, and PPR.
I might move Jones ahead in PPR. He's getting a coupleonds, Duke, Drake, Jones in PPR. I might move Jones
ahead in PPR. He's getting a couple of grabs
a game at least. Okay.
Okay, and then start
DeAndre Hopkins. Start or sit Christian Kirk?
Depends who you ask. Dave and Jamie love
Christian Kirk this week. Heath,
as of yesterday, I know your rankings
will change a little bit. He was
26th in non-PPR, 31st in PPR.
Christian Kirk. start or sit?
I mean, you're probably starting him
as a number three wide receiver,
I think.
There's peaks and valleys with him.
He could make one big play.
Last time he played the Seahawks,
he did score two touchdowns.
Last time he played the Seahawks,
he also had 37 yards receiving.
So there's a very low floor with Christian Kirk,
but there's a monster high ceiling.
Dave, tell this man that 10 wide receivers in the last six games
have had 90 yards or a touchdown against Seattle.
They're terrible against the pass.
They make mistakes in coverage all the time.
They're actually experimenting with how they're playing pass defense
over the past few weeks.
They haven't been doing the exact same thing
that they've been doing for the last decade
or however long Pete Carroll has been there.
And I know Kirk is coming off of a bad game.
He is a little more of an MVS type of receiver
than an Alan Lazard type of receiver,
if that makes any sense.
So you kind of need that big play,
but I think he's going to get those chances.
It's a high scoring game.
I figure Kyler is going to throw a lot.
Christian Kirk is worth starting.
Okay.
Would you start Christian Kirk over the Cardinals running backs?
PPR?
Absolutely.
Non PPR probably as well.
I would start,
man,
that's,
I think I'd start Drake over Kirk
and non-PPR for sure
I mean I don't
Chase Evans might catch more passes than Christian Kirk
it's true
alright
well
I think that sums it up
Russell Wilson
first of all start us at DK Metcalf
you've got to start him there's just way too much potential alright Russell Wilson. First of all, start us at DK Metcalf.
You've got to start him.
There's just way too much potential.
All right.
It's probably the same thing with Wilson, too, really.
It really is. But the pieces that I'm putting together for this game
suggests that it could be a little rougher than normal on Russ.
Because of the Lockett injury?
Well, I mean, that's a huge thing.
If Lockett's not there,
that changes the whole dynamic of the passing game.
You're taking away a speedster.
The defense can play a little bit differently
without Lockett on the field.
Also, they've lost the last two games
in part because of what Russ is doing.
So I don't know if they're ready to just keep letting Russ cook.
And this could be a game where they might want to go back to their basics.
And that's Pete Carroll loving to run the football and grind down the clock.
And it's going to be infuriating,
but it might be the right thing for them to do.
They're going to have a fresh legged running back,
whether it's Carson or Hyde or both.
And Arizona lost Corey Peters on the defensive line.
I don't know what the status is of Devondre
Campbell, but I don't think he's playing either.
I'll double-check the injury report for
both those dudes. But if they're both out,
the Cardinals are playing on a short week
without two of their best front seven
players. I think it's a perfect
recipe. And they're on the road. It's a perfect
recipe for Seattle to go
back to ground and pound.
Not just that, and I don't
want to be clear. I'm always
the guy that says I don't think interceptions are as
bad as people make them out to be.
Depends on
the interception. He's thrown seven
interceptions in his last four
games, including
and they've lost three of their last four games.
And that includes throwing three against Arizona last time they played.
I do think that there's,
I don't think they should do this.
I don't think there's anything wrong with Russell Wilson.
I think he's still one of the best quarterbacks in the world.
I do think there's a little bit of an increased risk that the,
they go back to the run game a little bit more
because of all the turnovers lately.
Yeah, and the sacks.
I think it's 11 sacks on Russell Wilson
in his last two games.
So they've had some issues there.
And I think Jacob Gibbs actually pointed out
that the style of defense that the Cardinals play
could give Russell...
He's not as good against their scheme
as he is against other schemes. And obviously, he scored 35 fantasy points. I mean, he was not as good against their scheme as he is against other schemes.
Obviously, he scored
35 fantasy points, but he threw
three interceptions.
He was, but he threw three interceptions.
The one thing to make you feel better
about him is the rushing
seems to be coming back a little bit. At least
six rush attempts in three of his last four.
Does that come hand-in-hand with the
pressure being dialed up on him?
Because he's in the pocket and he feels that pressure
so he decides to take off and run.
Yeah, maybe.
By the way, Campbell and Peters haven't
practiced
Tuesday
or Monday or Tuesday.
They're looking unlikely to play.
Let's just do some starters here. Russell Wilson
is a start for everyone, but if Lockett doesn't play, are there any quarterbacks
that you'd start over him that ordinarily you wouldn't?
Roethlisberger.
That's the one that I'm going to struggle with.
Probably Roethlisberger, yeah.
Okay.
Rodgers, Mahomes.
I mean, I think those guys were kind of obvious anyway,
but then I got to start thinking about Justin Herbert
against the Jets versus Russell Wilson.
I think there's a case to be made that Herbert's going to be better.
Who's the best running back in this game? We don't know who's playing.
Carlos Hyde is the main guy. If there's no Chris Carson
and Carlos Hyde's up, it's Hyde. And obviously it's Carson
if Carson plays.
Yeah.
And if for any reason both of them are out,
then I guess it's Drake.
But I don't think that's going to happen.
I think we're going to get at least one of them this week.
You guys have Metcalf in your top 10 in non-PPR.
I think Jamie has him like 13th in PPR. So just, you know,
I hope he's just kind of pissed off at the narrative
that Patrick Peterson owns him
and that they have a duel.
I'd love to see it.
And then Lockett, if he plays, start or sit Tyler Lockett?
I'd be nervous to start him
as anything more than a low-end number two receiver
because he's not going to be at 100%.
How did he do against the Cardinals last time?
When he got hurt last year and he came back
it took him
like a month to really
get back into the swing of things I think he had one really
good game after the injury and
then he started to take off again
in the playoffs
yeah
I was saying sarcastically how did he do against
him last time he had 15 catches yards, and three touchdowns.
So if he were healthy, you know, we'd say start him.
But he also has five to 11 PPR points
in five of his last six games.
So, you know, would you start Duke Johnson
over Tyler Lockett if Lockett plays?
I would not.
I don't think I could do that.
How about DeAndre Swift?
Oh, I'm taking Swift over Lockett. Yeah, I would not. I don't think I could do that. How about DeAndre Swift? Oh, I'm taking Swift over Lockett.
Yeah, I would not.
Okay.
So he's going to be more optimistic on Lockett.
If Lockett doesn't play, David Moore is what?
Wide receiver three.
At best.
Lazard or Moore this week if Lockett's out?
Moore.
I think I'll take a chance
on Moore.
Again, a PPR league, would you go with David Moore
or Damian Harris at Houston?
Probably Harris.
Yeah, I think I'd go with
Harris.
How about like Kalen Balazs against Jets?
I think I'd go with Balazs.
Okay. All right, that's it for this game.
Because I'm not 100% sure that Moore
is going to be that guy right
I started to dig in
Freddie Swain is playing in the slot just as much
as David Moore Swain had
a decent game last week
he's a downfield threat too
I think that they could
combine like if Lockett's out they might
combine to like replace
Lockett and it just makes me more
uncertain about which one it will be time for the feud for the first time this year
this season last time this year probably how you get you guys ready feeling good feeling good i could not be
more excited what do you do for a living guys yeah welcome to the show no i think i know what
you do so all right we got a pretty straightforward categories here not even not even going to try to
trick you or anything like that pass catchers no quarterbacks and runners throwers runners and
catchers uh human beings runners and catchers yeah actually it is throwers runners. Throwers, runners, and catchers. Human beings.
Runners and catchers.
Yeah, actually it is
throwers, runners, and catchers.
Okay, here we go.
The top six...
You have to say your name
to buzz in.
The top six answers
are on the board.
I am looking for our best
so far this season,
not per game, total points,
running backs in PPR.
Dave. Dave.
Dave.
Alvin Kamara.
You are correct.
That is the number one answer.
Pass or play?
I'm going to pass.
Really?
All right.
I like watching my opponents squirm.
Heath, we need the next five.
It's more fun with Jamie than it is with Heath.
I'll admit that.
Total points.
Full PPR?
Full PPR. Dalvin Cook. Dalvin Cook is correct. He is number Heath. I'll admit that. Total points. Full PPR? Full PPR.
Dalvin Cook?
Dalvin Cook is correct.
He is number two.
James Robinson?
Number three.
You need to top what?
Six.
Okay.
Not him.
Not him.
Ezekiel Elliot?
Hey, that's number six.
Good job.
We need four and five.
Aaron Jones?
Number seven.
Okay.
He was a little harsh with the buzzer.
Okay.
We've got Kamara, Cook, Robinson, and Zeke.
Two more here. here get five seconds
to guess both of them?
no to guess one of them
okay
I will say
Nick no
okay
and
Kareem Hunt
no no no Okay. And Kareem Hunt.
Oh, no.
No, no.
All right, Dave, you got a chance to steal here.
Here's what's off the board.
Top six running backs, PPR, Kamara, Cook, Robinson, and Zeke.
Numbers four and five are still there.
Who you got?
I'm going to go with Josh Jacobs.
Oh, good job.
That's the winning music.
Josh Jacobs.
I forgot Derrick Henry.
Derrick Henry is also there.
Number four is Derrick Henry.
Derrick Henry.
Yeah, Jacobs surprised me,
and Zeke surprised me a little bit too at number six.
Well, touchdowns still matter, you know.
Yeah, yeah, I know.
Those guys get a bunch of them.
Jacobs has eight this year.
Jacobs had two last week.
Yeah, and I think most of Jacobs' touchdowns
have come in three games, three in week one.
Maybe so.
I wonder, was Jacobs not in the top six last week?
Did he need the two touchdowns?
I don't remember how many total yards he had,
but a lot of them.
Did he need that monster game in order to pull into the top six?
Well, probably because he definitely passed Zeke,
who was on a bye,
and he probably passed Aaron Jones.
He was number 10 last week.
How did you do that?
How did you know that?
I post the top 10 on Instagram every week,
so we've got it handy right here.
Nice.
All right.
Okay, so Dave gets the point.
Yes.
And I got another top six answers that are on the board.
Now I'm looking for our best wide receivers in PPR.
Dave.
Dave.
DeAndre Hopkins.
Is number four.
Heath, you have a chance to control the category.
Devontae Adams.
Is number two.
Pass or play, Heath?
I'll pass.
All right, Dave. We're looking at total points, not per game.
Top six wide receivers.
PPR, we've got Adams
number two and Hopkins number four.
Okay. He was disappointing
last week, but DK Metcalf should be
up there. He is number five.
And Tyreek Hill is pretty good.
He is number three.
Can you run the names past me again, please?
The ones you haven't gotten or the ones you've gotten?
Adams, Hopkins, Metcalf, Tyreek Hill.
Yeah, would you like the two that you haven't gotten yet?
I mean, that would help.
Oh, oh, oh, Stefan Diggs has to be up there.
He's number one.
Stefan Diggs is number one.
Number one, okay.
So now who's the last guy?
Number six, number one. Number one. Okay. So now who's the last guy? Number six.
Number six.
I'm not...
Five seconds.
Allen Robinson.
So I'm just going to guess names when you say five seconds
that I just think it might possibly be.
That's typically how the game works.
Five seconds.
Terry McLaurin.
Okay.
Uh,
no,
it can't be Calvin Ridley.
He's missing.
Oh,
Julio Jones.
It's got to be Julio Jones.
It is not Julio Jones.
It's not Julio Jones.
All right,
Heath looking for a wide receiver six right now in full PPR.
It's one of two guys.
I'm going to...
Keenan Allen.
Oh, how did I not get Keenan Allen?
Because you were right, Dave, and you just won.
What?
It's not Keenan Allen either?
No, it's his number...
How did I forget about...
He's number seven.
He's four points behind.
I don't know what I'm more upset about.
I forgot about Keenan Allen or that Keenan Allen isn't top six in PPR.
He's seventh.
Is it Tyler Lockett?
It is Tyler Lockett.
That was my other guess.
Tyler Lockett's still number six.
All right, Dave gets the points,
but Family Feud is a dumb game
because it doesn't matter what you do until the final round.
We're going to triple the points for the bonus round here.
All right.
Top six answers are on the board.
Exactly how many points do I have, Adam?
Two.
Okay.
This round is worth three points.
Top six leaders in passing yards.
Heath. Heath.
Heath.
Tom Brady.
He is number five.
Dave?
Patrick Mahomes.
He's number six.
Heath, you have the board.
I'll pass.
Wait a second.
I only have five.
It's top five. So Mahomes so my homes isn't he's number five
all right he's number four brady's number four let me just uh let me just double check on that
but the top five doing five then i want to change my answer i'm gonna play the top five okay hold
on let me let me just double check top five answers are on the board passing yards one two
yeah all right top five uh so we have four and five off the board. Passing yards, one, two. Yeah. All right. Top five. So we have
four and five off the board. Brady and Mahomes, you want to play?
Why not?
Yeah, play. I have to lose. Okay.
Go ahead.
Russell Wilson. Number
two.
Matt Ryan. Number three.
So I just need
number one now. Yeah, you need the guy who leads the nfl at passing yards
that seems like it would be easy enough you think so um
five man carson wince who's gonna buy this week
who's gonna buy buffalo no no I don't know if that should be
allowed information.
It's not one of the buy codes.
Aaron Rodgers.
Number six.
That was going to be my guess.
Say to a
Taco Filo. Did I already
guess, Matt Ryan? Yeah, you have Wilson,
Ryan, Brady, and Mahomes. Who leads the NFL in passing yards, ladies and gentlemen have Wilson, Ryan, Brady, and Mahomes.
Who leads the NFL in passing yards, ladies and gentlemen?
Wilson, Ryan, Brady, and Mahomes.
Drew Brees.
All right, Dave.
This is it.
This is your opportunity to win the game.
Otherwise, I'm going to have to find a way to cheat Heath out of a win,
and I don't want to do that. I want you to win
outright.
I'll give you three minutes
to think about this now.
Thank you. I appreciate that.
Ten seconds. NFL leader in passing yards.
Passing yards.
Total passing yards.
Yes.
How many more seconds do I have?
Five.
Three. Two. How many more seconds do I have? Five, four, three, two.
All right.
Josh Allen.
Oh, Josh Allen for the win.
That's excellent.
Nice work.
It was a bye quarterback.
I was so hesitant to say it, but then I started thinking about other quarterbacks
and there's just no way.
And then think about how little Buffalo has run the football.
Kind of makes sense.
Yeah, that was great.
But I was hesitant the whole time.
I was hoping that Heath was going to guess Josh Allen.
I was going to say Aaron Rodgers.
Heath was like, no, it's going to be like eighth after this week.
Maybe, but it is wild that he leads in passing yards.
I mean, he has played 10 games.
Is he not in the MVP candidate discussion?
No.
He's not?
I don't think so.
He might be toward the bottom of it,
but what would the Bills be without him?
He has 26 total touchdowns,
seven interceptions,
and leads the NFL in passing yards,
but not per game.
Not per game. How many yards is it?
2,871.
Wilson will overtake him. Ryan will
overtake him this week. Brady will overtake him,
but Brady still hasn't had his bye.
Holmes will overtake him.
Probably that's it. So he'll be top five.
Okay.
Good stuff, guys.
Let's talk about... Okay, let's do this segment how are we feeling
about these guys we'll go a little faster than usual first two robert woods and cooper cup
woods is the the uh non-ppr guy now and cup is the ppr guy cup has 18 more targets and 11 more
catches and about 100 more yards but woods has two
more touchdowns receiving he also has two rushing touchdowns so right now woods is just inside the
top 24 per game cooper cup is 40th per game in non-ppr 27th in ppr how are we feeling about
these guys borderline number two wide receivers um you said cup has how many more targets 18 it's 78 it's the
dolphins game because he had 21 targets in that game he does not that's the only game in his last
six with double digit targets um it's we kind of talked about this with the josh reynolds thing
i don't know that we're going to get a good grip on what Sean McVay is going to do over a stretch of four games.
But I kind of expect that Woods and Cup are going to be in and out
of that wide receiver two range.
We thought they were high-end number twos coming into the year.
They're now borderline number twos for the rest of the year.
I did a little digging on what the Rams have been doing in the red zone.
Oh, me too.
Incomplete information.
Goff is 28th in pass attempts inside the 10.
You're stealing my thunder here.
I'm sorry.
And 26th and passing touchdowns inside the 10.
And on my list of things to check on this week is how the bucks do in the
red zone against the pass.
And if they're really good there,
then I think it makes them all unplayable.
But I,
what I always read the comments of Sean McVay,
like week in and week out,
especially this year with the way the running backs are.
He really seems to be buying into the idea of being versatile,
using everybody on the roster, kind of what the Colts are doing.
And it makes me nervous to start Woods and Cup as number two guys.
I think when he says they're low in number two options,
that's probably right about where they're at.
And you shouldn't,
they're not the,
you shouldn't blindly
start them every week.
You've got to consider
other options with those two.
Well, you know,
I'm in three receiver leagues
with PPR.
PPR, three receiver,
and a flex.
It's hard to get away from them.
I blindly start them every week,
but I don't feel as good
about my teams
as I did when the season started.
And Cup, like only two touchdowns for Cup.
I mean, that is wild.
Jared Goff, once again,
has a pretty low touchdown rate.
And I think it is just a matter
of what we saw last week.
When they get close to the end zone,
they hand it off over and over again.
And that was a step
that really jumped out to me.
And now they don't have their left tackle.
Yeah, that sucks too.
The fact that their next two games are against teams
with pretty solid run defenses,
Tampa Bay and San Francisco, maybe that will help.
Yeah, all right, so that's those two guys.
How do you feel about Joe Mixon?
Per game, he is number 13 in non-PPR, number 11 in PPR.
Is that basically how you feel about him whenever he comes back?
Nothing's changed.
Yeah, he's a high-end number two, low-end number one running back
when he's healthy.
How do you feel about Austin Eckler compared to Joe Mixon?
I think Eckler has a little bit more appeal in PPR for obvious reasons.
I am worried that Austin Eckler won't have that 20 touch dominant role upon his return.
Okay.
But you'd rather have 16 touches for Austin Eckler.
If six of them are catches,
then 20 touches for Joe Mixon.
If two of them are catches.
Sure.
Well,
right.
But remember before Mixon got hurt,
he was much more involved
in the passing game. He had two games where he was.
He had two out of three. He had six
catches, six catches, and two catches
in his last three
games.
Who would you rather have in half PPR,
Mixon or Eckler?
The biggest
problem is I don't know when Mixon's coming back.
Or Eckler.
Eckler is expected back next week.
It seems like Eckler's a couple of weeks away.
The Athletics said expected weeks well.
I think Mixon will be back sooner, so I'll take Mixon.
Assuming they were both back and it's week 14,
it's probably dependent on schedule.
They're very close in half PPR.
Okay, I'll give you their playoff schedules.
Mixon has Miami, Dallasallas and pittsburgh in the playoffs eckler has atlanta las vegas and denver in the playoffs
i would rather have us in eckler yeah that schedule is much better but again i i think
i think calum bellage unless he starts to play like joshua Joshua Kelly is not going to go completely
away when Eckler's back.
I think that's their duo moving forward.
Yeah.
But,
but like,
if you look at Eckler,
his first three games were really good.
And in those three games,
Josh Kelly had 12 carries,
23 carries and eight carries.
So he's definitely got a split,
but it's eight to 12.
We've mentioned that number,
that range for the second running back with the chargers for a while. He's definitely going to split. It's 8-12. We've mentioned that number,
that range for the second running back with the Chargers for a while.
But we saw four games without Melvin Gordon last year.
Austin Eckler averaged 20 touches a game.
Three games this year before he got hurt,
he had 20, 20, and 23 touches.
So he probably is a 20-touchback.
I was going to ask you about some other players,
but you covered them.
I was going to ask you about Mark Andrews,
Ronald Jones, Amari Cooper. So the last guy I wanted to ask you about some other players, but you covered them. I was going to ask you about Mark Andrews, Ronald Jones, Amari Cooper.
So the last guy I wanted to ask you about was Justin
Jefferson and how we go about
figuring out when to start Justin Jefferson.
It's just a target issue
basically. It really is.
So yeah, how do you feel about Justin Jefferson
rest of season?
I love the
talent. I wish the, I love the talent.
I wish the Vikings would consistently pass more often and take advantage of this awesome receiver that they have on their team.
I think he's slightly better on a week to week,
but the same type of guy on a week to week basis as Christian Kirk.
Where would you say the same thing about him versus the Rams receivers?
Like, is he a low-end number two receiver that you consider with other guys from week to week?
And maybe you just say, okay, he's got the most upside.
You just have to hope that things break that way.
I would start Jefferson over the Rams in non-PPR and the Rams over Jefferson in full PPR, I think.
But yeah, they're in the same range.
I'd be tempted to start Jefferson
over the Rams guys this week.
Could
see a decent high-scoring game with the
Vikings and the Cowboys.
I don't know.
I mean, look, I also think that
Dalvin Cook's going to have a really good game.
And so usually when Dalvin Cook does well, the receivers
don't.
Yeah, that's kind of the issue. Are the Cowboys going to have a really good game. And so usually when Dalvin Cook does well, the receivers don't. Yeah, that's kind of the issue.
Are the Cowboys going to put up...
This is me talking out loud, Adam.
I'm thinking out loud.
This is me talking out loud.
This is me listening, Dave.
Come me some slack.
It's nine in the morning.
I'm wondering if the Cowboys can put up points
to force the Vikings to have to throw a little bit.
And the matchup's going to be great for Jefferson if they do.
This is me asking you a question.
Who would you rather have, Justin Jefferson or Amari Cooper?
Jefferson or Cooper, rest of season?
Format dependent.
Okay, then I'm always going to ask half PPR.
I would give the nod to cooper in a half ppr but they're
they're exactly tied on the trade chart in non-ppr cooper one point higher in full ppr okay
okay good to know now we're going to finish the show with some emails and apple podcast
questions here first some emails fantasy football atcbsi.com from Trevor.
We need some starters. Sid here.
Dear some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie,
and Heath, who butchered Jamie's spelling.
The spelling of Jamie's name butchered it.
PPR. I in front of the M.
J-A-I-M-E.
Jamie is J-A-M-E-Y,
ladies and gentlemen.
Okay, PPR. Give me a tight end
and a flex.
Hurst. There's no I in Jamie.
Hurst,
Gurley, Gronk,
Goddard. Pick a tight end. Hurst, Gurley,
Hurst, Gronk, Goddard.
Hurst, Gronk.
And then a flex. Gurley
or another tight end.
Did you say full PPR?
Yeah.
I think I might take Hearst over Gurley.
Oh, Gurley could really suck against the Saints.
Yeah.
But he'll probably score.
That's what he does.
Okay, from...
I don't know who this is from.
Dave, give me a name and a city.
Peter from Boston, Massachusetts.
Hey, Adam, Dave, JB, Heath, and Ben.
I love the show.
I will even listen if I'm mathematically eliminated this week.
Thank you.
Standard scoring.
I lost last week because I started golf
instead of Ben Roethlisberger.
All right.
Well, who do I start this week?
So here's his lineup.
Big Ben or golf?
Ben.
Ben. He's got Nick Chubb, Kareem Hunt, and Mike Davis on his bench.
Kenyon Drake.
Would you start Drake over any of them?
No.
He's got Lockett and Fuller in his lineup.
He has David Moore and Nelson Aguilar on his bench.
So if Lockett's out, do you go Moore or Aguilar?
Could also be DJ Moore.
Oh.
No.
I think he was asking it. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. Could also be DJ Moore. Oh. No. I think he was asking it.
Yeah.
Yeah, you're right.
It could be DJ Moore.
Sorry.
Okay.
Moore, then DJ Moore.
DJ Moore over Aguilar.
And I'd probably go with Aguilar over David Moore.
Okay.
And I would start Kelsey over Jordan Akins.
I would too.
Okay, good.
Are you sure?
Yeah, I would.
This is from Undecided.
Where's Undecided from, Dave? I don't know.
I can't decide. Rank these three players.
That was my joke. Woods.
This is me stealing your joke.
Woods.
Oh, I'm sorry. Not rank these three.
Pick three. Robert Woods,
Chase Edmonds, Kalen Balazs,
Sivan Ahmed,
and David Moore.
Flock, it's out.
We don't know a format.
I'm going to go
with Balazs,
Woods, and Edmonds.
Over Ahmed?
Over Ahmed and Moore.
I would want to get Ahmed in there.
I'd probably put
Ahmed. If it's PPR. I'd probably put Ahmed, if it's PPR,
I'd probably put Ahmed in over Edmonds,
even though Edmonds could be pretty good in PPR.
And non-PPR, it's easy to put Edmonds last on the list.
So yeah, Edmonds out, Ahmed in.
In non-PPR, I'll agree with Dave
and put Ahmed ahead of Edmonds.
From Dylan Dusty Silverman.
Where's he from?
He's from Springfield. He's Dusty Silverman. Where's he from? He's from Springfield.
He's Dusty Springfield.
Hey, sorry, Dave.
Heath's meat,
Adam's wallet,
Dave's crush on Rivers,
and gotta go buy.
Should I do this trade?
I'm seven and three.
And I was trying to trade Thielen,
but he countered with this.
My DeAndre Swift
for his Keenan Allen.
I have Cook, Swift, Madison, Eckler, and Dobbins.
No.
Run those running backs for me again, please.
Cook, Swift, Madison, Eckler, Dobbins.
So you have to start Dobbins until Eckler's back.
And he's got good receivers.
Cup, Thielen, Ridley, Curtis, Stebo, Samuel, Curtis, Samuel.
I don't know. No. He needs the receiver. No, he needs the's back. And he's got good receivers. Kup, Thielen, Ridley, Curtis, Stebo Samuel, Curtis Samuel, I don't know.
He needs the receiver.
No, he needs the running back.
Wait, he says he's giving up Swift to get Keenan Allen. Yeah.
I love it.
What? That's picking up
great value for DeAndre Swift. He has to
start J.K. Dobbins. Okay.
He's also going to get to start Keenan Allen.
Over
Ridley or Thielen?
Well, okay, okay.
If he can start four wide receivers, then it makes it better.
Then he can start Cup, Thielen, Ridley, and Keenan Allen.
We just got done talking about how Cup is a low-end number two wide receiver
that we might not want to start.
Keenan Allen is a no-brainer slam dunk start every week.
But the fact that he has Eckler,
that gives him a little leeway to make this trade,
and he's 7-3.
Oh, I'm sorry. It is three wide receivers
and a flex. So look, it's a little risky,
but if Eckler comes back and he's great,
then in your playoffs, you're starting Cook
or Madison if he gets hurt. You're starting
Eckler, and then you're starting those four receivers.
Kup, Thielen, Ridley, Allen.
But Swift is pretty good, too. Swift had a great game last week. starting Eckler and then you're starting those four receivers cup feeling Ridley Allen but I
but Swift is pretty good too Swift had a great game last week let's and in his playing time has
gone up everything is going his way but he's still with the Lions and there's still always
the chance that they revert to something stupid I think turning him into who would we all agree
that look he's seventh right now.
We just played Fantasy Feud.
He's been amazing this year.
We shouldn't even be discussing this.
Swift is good.
Allen is significantly better.
You will score more points
rest of the season with Allen
and PPR than you will with Swift.
That's true,
but I'm not sure
that you will score more points
with Allen and Dobbins
than you will with Swift and Samuel.
Yeah, but you are getting Eckler back and potentially next week.
And who's on the waiver wire?
Can he still pick up one of the guys?
Can he still pick up Ahmed to get by this week at least?
Can he get Carlos Hyde for this week at least?
This has been a good discussion.
I think Dusty Springfield has a lot to think about here.
Good stuff. it's a really
interesting way to approach the eckler situation i guess apple podcast questions from s kelly row
gall man single-handedly earned this five-star review nice all right uh from cook is my father
do i do this trade in my? I'm in first place.
Give James Conner and Mike Evans.
Get Austin Eckler and Adam Thielen.
Conner and Evans for Eckler and Thielen.
I don't like it.
I'd stick with Conner and Evans.
Okay.
Yeah, I feel super uncomfortable
evaluating every single person
involved in this trade.
Connor really
has more. Connor had an amazing
he looked, I shouldn't
say amazing. He had a great run last week.
16 yard run.
It was well blocked and he had good speed.
Legit good speed. But there were
a lot of other runs where his line was laying him down.
He was laying himself down, his vision wasn't
great, and he's not getting the typical
workload that we are kind of accustomed
to seeing from James Conner.
Last question here from Saquon
Eckler, first two picks.
Gray the trade. Yeah, I know.
James Robinson,
Chase Claypool, and
Justin Herbert.
Robinson, Claypool, and Herbert for Miles Sanders and DeAndre Hopkins.
It's going to be pretty close to even.
Don't hate it.
I would prefer the Sanders-Hopkins side.
Thank you, ladies and gentlemen.
Thanks for listening today.
Much appreciated.
Tomorrow, the AFC home games,
plus a Jacob Gibbs stats segment for you as
well. Twitch tomorrow, 4pm
Eastern. We'll be answering your questions for Dave
and Heath and Ben. I am Adam.
Have a great Wednesday. Talk to you Thursday.