Fantasy Football Today - Trade Talk, Rest of Season Rankings and the 2023 All-Bust Team! (11/08 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: November 8, 2023

Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts and wherever else you listen to podcasts As trade deadlines approach, now is the time... to buy low (1:50) and sell high (10:30)! Yes, Davante Adams is still a buy low, and Brock Purdy could have a strong finish. Does D.K. Metcalf's favorable schedule mean he is a buy low as well? We also tell you who to sell high on and debate if the Dolphins players are going to struggle against tough matchups in the Fantasy postseason ... News and notes (19:50), Name That Player (22:15) and we preview Panthers-Bears (30:10). How confident are we in the Bears passing game this week? Start Justin Fields if he plays? Do we trust any running backs in this game? ... Ranking players rest of season (44:00) including De'Von Achane, Alvin Kamara, Nico Collins, Justin Jefferson, Amari Cooper and Jahmyr Gibbs. Then we read your emails (49:30) and we finish with the 2023 All-Bust Team (57:15)! Did Bijan Robinson make the list? ... Your emails at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179 SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1 Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @ctowerscbs Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Get 20% off Fantasy Football Today merch: https://store.cbssports.com/collections/fantasy-football-today%20?utm_source=podcast-apple-com&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=buy-our-merch&utm_content=fantasy-football-collection Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:42 We only have a few trade episodes left. We're approaching the trade deadline in a lot of fantasy leagues. We welcome you to the Wednesday edition of Fantasy Football Today. Adam Azer with Heath Cummings, Jimmy Eisenberg, and Dave Richard. The full gang is here to talk buy low and sell high. And we're playing a game today. We haven't played it all year. What do you think we're playing?
Starting point is 00:02:02 What do you want to play? Name that player. Name that player. That's correct. All right. We're playing name What do you want to play? Name that player. Name that player. That's correct. We're playing Name That Player. So I've already got a point. Good job, Dave. Way to go. Jamie gets to be on the other end of Name That Player. He's usually the stumper. He'll be the
Starting point is 00:02:17 stumpy. Stumped today? I don't even know. Anyway, how's everybody doing? Everybody doing good? Yeah. I'm just enjoying the chat, having a debate over whether Keaton Mitchell is B. John Robinson or Julio McLaughlin. And the range of possible outcomes is so much fun.
Starting point is 00:02:37 What was Arthur Smith saying about B. John Robinson and not playing near the goal line because of the way defenses defend them there? What was that all about? He's a great off-ball threat. I think he was saying, I'm going to enjoy watching Bijan Robinson on my couch next year. Man, they are about to
Starting point is 00:02:51 rip off like seven wins and win the division. They've got two games left against a team with a winning record. It's true. If there was ever a time to unleash Bijan, this would be it. Arizona, let's go. Let's do it.
Starting point is 00:03:07 Okay. Favorite buy low, favorite sell high. Who's excited to go first here with your favorite buy low? Yes, Dave. I'm shocked you picked me. Brock Purdy is one of my favorite buy lows. You stole my guy. You stole him. What? You stole my guy. You stole him.
Starting point is 00:03:25 What? You stole my guy. Well, tough. Maybe it's obvious that he's a bylaw guy. No, it's not at all. Go ahead. Because if you had him and I have him, then maybe that's why. But look, 49ers getting healthy, Debo coming back.
Starting point is 00:03:37 We've seen Purdy play well with a safe floor when everything is perfect around him. And I think you can get him relatively cheap, especially because the fantasy manager that had Purdy couldn't use him last week, so they perfect around him. And I think you can get them relatively cheap, especially because the fantasy manager that had Purdy couldn't use them last week, so they benched him. They started another quarterback. They should be okay, at least short-term, with their quarterback options and be open to trading Brock Purdy.
Starting point is 00:03:57 And he has a good schedule. Five of his last eight games up to week 17. Again, not going to include week 18. Five of his last eight games are against teams that are bottom 10 jacksonville this week tampa bay is bad against quarterbacks philadelphia has been bad and then in the playoffs you do have baltimore in week 16 which stinks but you have arizona baltimore and then week if you get to the championship with brock purdy he's getting uh washington which gives up the most fantasy points. Oh, baby. Second easiest playoff schedule
Starting point is 00:04:26 in the projected strength of schedule rankings. Is this like a super flex to QB by low? Or do you think that he can be like impactful in a one quarterback league? Because even when he's been good, he's been quarterbacks. He's like, what's that? Any league that starts quarterbacks.
Starting point is 00:04:43 So you think he can matter in a one quarterback league and not just be like QB 10 to 12, basically stream? Have you ranked quarterbacks lately? Well, this week, sure. Mahomes and Hurts and two are all out, but they'll be back next week. No, I agree with you, Heath. I don't think he's going to be a top five quarterback
Starting point is 00:04:59 or anything like that. But yeah, QB. But if you feel like your roster can win with QB 10 to 12, I think he could definitely be that. That's kind of how I feel. He's an easy player to trade for. It's just a matter of how much you're giving up for him. That's Brock Purdy. That's the best part.
Starting point is 00:05:13 You shouldn't have to give up that much. All right, Heath, how about you? Who's your buy low? It's a weird answer because he had 30 touches in his last game, but it's Javante Williams. He's still my guy. He looks so much better. The fact that they gave him 30 touches should give you confidence that he's the lead back
Starting point is 00:05:31 for the rest of the season. There's more juice there than we saw earlier in the year. We've seen this recipe with running backs coming off ACLs in the past. It took longer for J.K. Dobbins last year. It happened pretty quick with Brees Hall this year, but I'd expect Javante Williams to be prime Javante Williams for the rest of the season.
Starting point is 00:05:50 Do you have another one, Jamie, or are you just mad at Heath? I would go try and get Javante Adams now while his value sucks and he's going to have another bad game this week against the Jets. And so just hope for a strong finishing kick. I mean, look, he's still got the potential. Not like he's hurt. And you know who his quarterback is going to be for the rest of the season. And I think it's an upgrade over Jimmy Garoppolo.
Starting point is 00:06:12 So while I would try and sit him this week in a two-receiver league, you're obviously not sitting him in a three-receiver league. I still think there's good production coming. Maybe not to the level of what you thought. Maybe not to the level of what we drafted him to be. But I still think he's going to be a target hog in games that they're going to be competitive or trailing. So as cheap as he might be now,
Starting point is 00:06:34 maybe we can wait a week. It could be cheaper. But I would trade for Devontae Adams. After the game against the Jets, he's at Miami. Kind of a challenging matchup. I'm thinking more so about the quarterback than I am for Devontae Adams. Then Kansas City. Maybe they put up more points there.
Starting point is 00:06:49 Then a bye in week 13. And then it finishes the season with the Vikings, Chargers, Chiefs, Colts. Broncos in week 18. That's not great. What about, what was I going to say? Oh, I did want to talk about DK Metcalf. Yeah, okay. Let's talk about DK Metcalf.
Starting point is 00:07:09 Let's talk about the Seattle Seahawks passing game in general because I don't know that you're going to find a better schedule than what the Seahawks have. Washington. So if you look at Metcalf, for example, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight more games, and one, two, three, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 more games. And 1, 2, 3, 4, 6 of them. 6 of his last 8 games are against teams that rank 26th or worse against wide receivers. He's got Washington. The
Starting point is 00:07:34 49ers give up the third most fantasy points to wide receivers. The Eagles give up the most. Tennessee, Pittsburgh. Now, you could sit here and say, look, San Francisco's not really that bad. Philadelphia's not really that bad. I don't know. I mean, so far, Philadelphia is that bad, and both those teams have something in common. You can't run on them, so the teams throw on them all the time.
Starting point is 00:07:54 But it just hasn't been an inspiring season for Metcalf. I would say he's had a fairly difficult schedule. It gets a lot easier. With Metcalf, with Lockett, with JSN, with Geno Smith, are we buying now or staying away? This is one of...
Starting point is 00:08:11 You should be buying now. Yeah? It's been pretty uninspiring so far. But again, it's cheap. So you shouldn't have to give up much to get them. I mean, Lockett's been dropped and added in some leagues, 10-team leagues.
Starting point is 00:08:26 JSN's still on the waiver wire in a lot of 10-team leagues. So it's a question of how much do you need to give up to get Metcalf? I don't know if you want to do a one-for-one type of deal, but you could probably say, hey, I'll give you this and this, and you give me Metcalf and something else. And why not? Who wins in a trade between DK Metcalf and Jerome Ford? Metcalf.
Starting point is 00:08:44 Yeah, I don't think you can get him for Jerome Ford, but if you could, I would do it. This is one of those situations where you're talking about great defenses that have been good matchups for wide receivers that I just don't really buy it. I can't look at two games against the 49ers, a game against the Cowboys, a game against the Eagles, and a game against the Steelers and think, oh yeah, their offense is going to feast. It makes me think, oh crap, Geno might be awful. That's where I come out on this too. And that's what I'm worried about with Aiden O'Connell
Starting point is 00:09:13 and the Raiders is that the quarterback is going to be affected by the pass rush more so than the receiver in their specific matchups. And it's even worse for Metcalf than it is for Adams because there's options for Geno Smith to work with. He can throw to Lockett. He can throw to Smith and Jigba. And I think Smith and Jigba is actually going to be the key to unlocking what's wrong in Seattle. They just have to lean on him more and more.
Starting point is 00:09:34 I'm kind of waiting to see that over the course of a game. Last week, it was a lot of JSN at the end of the game for Seattle. They need to get them involved a little bit more early. And if that target volume flattens out across all three of them, that's bad for DK Metcalf. I'm not very high on DK rest of season. I just want to say the 49ers, they gave up the fifth most fantasy points, the wide receivers last year and the third most this year. So I'm not going to just dismiss that. I don't really think they have great defensive backs, especially their number two cornerback seems to get picked on a lot.
Starting point is 00:10:05 Lenore. Look, their pass rush could always change that, but it's two years in a row with them. The Eagles, I don't know. The Eagles get torched every week. They're giving up the most fantasy points to wide receivers. If they can get their pass rush going again, because that's been a little inconsistent,
Starting point is 00:10:20 then that could change. And obviously we know they have good personalities traded for Kevin Bayard. I could see them changing, get, you know, getting fixed during the bi-week. But you brought up Jerome Ford.
Starting point is 00:10:28 I feel like nobody likes Jerome Ford, but this guy produces basically every week and he's very involved in the passing game. He is their passing downs back. I feel like Jerome Ford is a little underrated guys. I think he's been the worst rusher in the NFL, barring two runs. His, I think he's been the worst rusher in the NFL, barring two runs. His success rate on rushes is like way behind everybody else's.
Starting point is 00:10:52 So yeah, the passing game role has been good, and he's a low-end number two running back. I just don't think you can get DK Metcalf for him. I think his schedule lightens considerably after week 11. They've got the Ravens this week. That's going to be tough. He had nine PPR points against them earlier this year. That was when Dorian Thompson Robinson was the quarterback for them.
Starting point is 00:11:11 Steelers next week at home. He had one of those long runs against the Steelers back in week two. And then after that, it gets pretty good. He's got a top 10 schedule projected for the rest of the season. If you didn't hear what Jamie said, yes, they lost their left tackle for at least four games. That's bad. We've got Brock Purdy.
Starting point is 00:11:31 We've got Javante Williams. I don't know if we have DK Metcalf as a by-low. You heard the conversation. Sorry, I'm missing someone. Jamie, who'd you say? Devontae Adams, thank you, who is actually the most traded player in CBS Sports Fantasy Leagues. There you go. By the way, we're going to
Starting point is 00:11:48 preview the Thursday night game in a little bit, so stay tuned for that. Who's your favorite sell high? Heath Cummings? The Miami Dolphins. I've hinted around at this for the last couple of weeks, but they played the Bills. They scored two touchdowns. They played the Eagles. They scored two touchdowns. They played the Chiefs. They scored two touchdowns. In the fantasy playoffs, they played two touchdowns. They played the Chiefs, they scored two touchdowns.
Starting point is 00:12:07 In the fantasy playoffs, they played the Jets, the Cowboys, and the Ravens. I am terrified about what happens to this offense when they have to play three good defenses in back-to-back-to-back weeks. Interesting. Okay, let's talk about that. That's a really big, like you're selling A-chan, or do you like anyone rest of season? mean i like all of them but the perception is that tyreek's the best wide receiver in football and jaylen waddle's a borderline number one and two is a top six qb so like i'm not talking about giving those guys away this is a sell high segment and it might be
Starting point is 00:12:43 easier to do that if you wait until after the buy and people are looking at a Raiders matchup coming up the next week. They'll be awesome in that game. The Raiders are terrible. I offered Higgins, Nakua, and Kincaid for Tyreek Hill in one league, and it got rejected. PPR. Wow, that's a pretty good offer. I've got Tyreek Hill in two or three leagues that we're in together, Dave, so send me a similar offer. I will do my best to do that. Tyreek's the one dolphin. I guess A-chan too, who I want to have on my team. There's just so much upside, and I know the matchups are tough, but those guys have the speed to trump any matchup.
Starting point is 00:13:18 You would almost say they're matchup proof, but I agree 100% on Waddle and Mostert because I think those two will be affected the most by a chance return to what's going to be affected the most as well, because if a Chan gets going on the ground and most are involved himself in some way there too, it's going to take work away from tongue of ILOA. So I disagree on Tyreek and a Chan.
Starting point is 00:13:41 I'd want to hold onto those guys unless you get a really good offer, but the other guys are kind of sell highs. I agree. I'd want to hold on to those guys unless you get a really good offer. But the other guys are kind of sell highs. I agree. I need to correct one thing I said. The Dolphins actually scored three touchdowns.
Starting point is 00:13:50 They missed an extra point or missed a two point conversion against the Bills. So they scored 20 points. But still, I have a hard time calling Tyreek
Starting point is 00:13:57 matchup proof when we've seen like a handful of teams hold him below what he's done this season. Do you think you're going to rank him in the top five? You're going to rank him in the top five every week during the fantasy hold him below what he's done this season. Do you think we'll ever get to a point where... You're going to rank him in the top five every week
Starting point is 00:14:08 during the fantasy playoffs. I might rank him in the top five every week, but he's not performed or justified that against good defenses. Well, I mean, yeah, he did one of those three games. He had a big game, the Eagles game. The team that's giving up the fifth most points to fantasy. No, it was not a bad match. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:14:28 He's so good. I can't really. He's all right. But also, look, hopefully, look, they've been missing to Ron Armstead for most of the year. He finally came back. They've been missing Devon HN. That's going to help their offense. All right, whatever.
Starting point is 00:14:43 That's a good point. And yes, it's a tough playoff schedule for sure. Dave, who are you selling high on? I've got one even more bombastic than that. Taysom Hill. Okay. Good one, Dave. Look, if you picked up,
Starting point is 00:15:00 it's not more bombastic than the Dolphins, but if you picked up Taysom Hill and you've enjoyed this run, I think it's 15 or more PPR points in three straight games, two of them with over 20 fancy points. You've gotten production out of him. Like what he gave you when he was the starting quarterback for the saints back when he was the starting quarterback for the saints for a few weeks. I don't see how he keeps this up. I don't think he's scoring multiple touchdowns every week. He's running less than 15 routes per game. Each of his past two games, tight end is a fickle position. Anyway, I would try and sell high if you can
Starting point is 00:15:32 without expecting that much, you should be able to turn Taysom Hill into Brock Purdy. I would say, I take this a little farther and say the tight ends who are hot right now, Hansel and David Njoku and Taysom Hill and Cole Komet and Jake Ferguson. I mean, if there's one thing I can guarantee you, it's that they're not going to be consistent because they're tight ends. And like with the sum of them, we're going to be talking about dropping them for the flavor of the week in a few weeks. Cause that's just the way, like it it's every single year so if you have two tight ends if you have evan ingram and like you picked one of those guys up last week because you had evan ingram or something like that you should i would try to sell any of them i don't know if you guys agree with that but well the problem is is
Starting point is 00:16:19 that there's a lot of them so you know you're probably looking to sell them and the team probably has one of those guys yeah find the waller manager find the goddard manager and see what you could do right now yeah my advice but you don't need to i do think though like some of these situations like you could see commit being sustainable you can see ferguson being sustainable you know really the manager i guess you want to go for but they hopefully would have been preparing for this is the goddard manager now you know because, because they're in a pickle with a bye and not having him off of a bye. I mean, Jake Ferguson had 10 targets last week. He had eight targets in the previous three games combined.
Starting point is 00:16:52 So he's looked sustainable. You're also talking about Dak finally getting going, though, too. But you're talking about game scripts, too, and the Cowboys have some games coming up where they might blow teams out, which they do a lot. It's just, I have nothing against Jake Ferguson. I like him. I just, I know the nature of the position.
Starting point is 00:17:07 And these guys have their ups and downs. Traping up to be one of the best years for tight end that I can remember. So far, we have 14 tight ends averaging 10 or more PPR fantasy points, which is I went back to the previous five years,
Starting point is 00:17:24 which is the most in at least six seasons, but it was a lot more than last year. Last year was really bad. The previous years, you know, you're usually 12, 13, something like that. This is a little bit better than that. Yeah, it is. But, but even all the guys that are, that we're talking about have had these frustrating seasons. Who started Cole Kameh? He was started in 47 percent of leagues last week well i mean we said it on the waiver wire show and there was five of these guys that were somewhat excited about were only rostered in the 80s and that's on our site which we're typically higher yeah yeah all right um i'm just thinking back to like hunter henry in the first two three
Starting point is 00:18:00 weeks of the season right like you know this is just what happens with these guys. And now Henry's back in the discussion. But OK. He's not in this discussion, though. Like nobody's trading. Used to be. But somebody might be trading for Ferguson or commit. He's not in discussion now. No, but he used to be.
Starting point is 00:18:14 I mean, he was thought of as a. Yeah, I'll start him over Kyle Pitts. That kind of guy. Well, that's not really a very high bar. Yeah. He's in the discussion as far as, okay, I'm going to trade away my starting tight end and go to the waiver wire and pick up another one. He's one of those guys you might pick up.
Starting point is 00:18:32 Yeah. Uh, Jamie, I don't think you gave a sell high. I mean, I'll take the low hanging fruit of Jameer Gibbs. Um, you know, now that David Montgomery is back, if somebody still wants to say, well, Jameer Gibbs will still do that. Well, he's not going to do that. He should still be productive. He should still wants to say, well, Jameer Gibbs will still do that. Well, he's not going to do that. He should still be productive. He should still be a starter, hopefully. But clearly the return of Montgomery, hopefully for the rest of the season from Montgomery fantasy managers is going to impact Gibbs in an unfortunate negative way. So if you can still sell him for as high a value as you could have prior to the bye week, do so. If you can still sell them for something moderately better or more productive, do so.
Starting point is 00:19:08 But it's clearly going to be a downturn with Montgomery healthy. Okay, I'm going to go through the most traded list, and you tell me if you would trade Jameer Gibbs for these players. Devante Adams. I'd rather have Adams. If I needed a receiver, yes. Yeah. T. Higgins. Rather of H, yes. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:26 Tee Higgins. Rather Higgins. Yeah. I'll take Tee. Calvin Ridley. Gibbs. Yeah, I've got to have Gibbs there. I think I would too, but that could change in a week.
Starting point is 00:19:42 If he pulls out a big game against the 49ers, I think everybody will run right back to Ridley. Ken Walker. Walker. Yeah, Walker. It's Walker. Interesting. Okay.
Starting point is 00:19:51 All right. We are going to take a break. We've got some news and notes. Who's the starting quarterback for the Tennessee Titans rest of season? We'll tell you, even though you probably already know. We'll be right back on Fantasy Football today. Did you know 66% of utility damage is caused by not requesting a locate? We'll be right back on Fantasy Football today. you dig ensure your next project is safe visit ontario one call.ca it's free it's easy it's the law data sourced from the orcga 2023 dirt report all right here are your news and notes also what was that sound i just made it was like ah here are your news and notes will levis is going to
Starting point is 00:20:40 be the starting quarterback rest of season for Tennessee. The Rams signed Carson Wentz. That's better than Brett Rippon, right? If it comes to that? Oh, for sure. For Nakua and Kup? You hope so. I don't know what the Jets are doing. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:59 The Cowboys are signing Martavis Bryant to the practice squad. You guys said yesterday you're not interested. Carolina and Chicago on Thursday night. They'll be without some key defensive players, the Panthers. Looks like Edge Bryant. Did they rule out Brian Burns?
Starting point is 00:21:16 Yeah, they did. Okay, and C.J. Henderson. Already one of the league's worst pass rushes gets worse without Burns. Come on, Justin Fields. Let's go. Yeah, they're pretty beat up on defense. And they signed linebacker Blake Martinez. And if they throw a ball toward Blake Martinez,
Starting point is 00:21:30 I think he will catch them all. Blake will? Mm-hmm. Wasn't he selling Pokemon stuff? Yep. Oh, yeah. Oh, you made a joke. I did.
Starting point is 00:21:42 He will catch them all. I don't know Pokemon things. Yeah. I don't know Pokemon things. Yeah. I don't either, really. DJ Chark also did not practice. And Khalil Herbert and Cole Komet practiced in full. We don't know that Khalil Herbert will be back, but trending in the right direction.
Starting point is 00:21:56 It sounds like he will. I had a friend tell me, expect Herbert and Foreman to share. Oh, my gosh. I did something so stupid. Good. This is really... My favorite part of the show.
Starting point is 00:22:10 This is really... I don't even know if I can recover from this, but as I remind you all, I don't know anything about anything. Yeah. David Montgomery practiced my last note. Okay. Name that player is the next segment.
Starting point is 00:22:25 When I sent you guys the notes, I deleted all of the players. Unfortunately, I deleted them in my notes as well. So. Oh no. I'm going to see if we're all playing. Name that player.
Starting point is 00:22:35 Control Z enough to get them back in my. All right. Why don't you guys talk? It was always my biggest fear when I did it, that I would either a send the notes to the wrong person or B delete my I got it I got it back but I just I hit control Z
Starting point is 00:22:52 about 15 times and I just erased all of the time codes from my notes so that's going to be a problem going forward can't you just forward it back like you can undo and then redo does that mean you have to do a lot of editing yeah so we can start cursing no alright let's name that like you can undo and then redo. Does that mean you have to do a lot of editing? Yeah. So we can start cursing then and really make you laugh?
Starting point is 00:23:07 No. All right, let's name that player. Leaping bleep. I am the number 19 wide receiver in PPR per game. I have career highs in ADOT, catch rate, yards per catch, yards per target.
Starting point is 00:23:25 In fact, I'm averaging 2.1 more yards per target than my career average. When you say number 19, do you mean per game or for the season? I said per game. I said a little clumsily, but per game. Heath. Yeah, Heath. Who is Deontay Johnson? Oh! Nice work, Heath. You get the win. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:23:41 How did you get that based on the clues he gave? Because I've seen a lot of people talking about how Deontay is being used more down the field, and I know he's been one of the most inefficient wide receivers in the NFL. It's been more efficient this season. Would you like to hear the rest of the clues? Okay. My team has thrown seven touchdown passes.
Starting point is 00:23:58 My first name rhymes with the first name of an Arizona running back. Amari? That's what I thought. I thought people would go Amari Cooper, but it's Keontae Deontay. And if you azerstat it and remove the game I left with an injury, I am the number 11 wide receiver per game in PPR. So how are you guys valuing Deontay Johnson? Must start guy?
Starting point is 00:24:21 Top 20? Top 10 this week. Yes. Yep. Who isn't top 10 this week? I mean, right? D.K. Metcalf. Devontae Adams. There are no good players this week.
Starting point is 00:24:35 Yeah. I mean, it's exciting, right, with Deontay. I don't know if it's sustainable. The touchdowns, you know, they're not going to rely on that because they've thrown seven touchdowns in eight games. But he's only scored one this season, and he's a top 10 wide receiver, so that's pretty good. 11 with the Azerstat.
Starting point is 00:24:51 Okay. All right, next up. I am 23rd in passing yards, 20th in yards per attempt, but fifth in passing touchdowns. I know you're going to get this. Let someone else play. Okay. Sorry.
Starting point is 00:25:10 I have thrown 31 or fewer passes in five straight games. I have already thrown as many touchdown passes as I did all of last season. And I am married to a famous pop singer that even Adam has heard of. Well, I mean, Heath, if you know it, say it. It's Russell Wilson. It's Russell Wilson. Give it to Heath. I give it to Heath. How about that? My favorite's that he's
Starting point is 00:25:35 thrown as many touchdown passes as he did all of last year. That's great. Where is he on? You said 31 or fewer pass attempts in five straight games. Uh-huh. So where is he among you you said 31 or fewer pass attempts in five straight games uh-huh so where is he among pass attempts just like raw pass attempts per game he's had a buy uh i'm gonna guess about 18th i'll i'll look it up but you guys while i do that tell me how you value
Starting point is 00:25:56 russell wilson who's obviously had some good touchdown fortune i did go back as we discussed yesterday his um his bi-week numbers and so 11 seasons coming off a bye, he's averaging just shy of 24 points per game. But it's very all over the place. He's got six games with 24 points or more and four games with 11 points or less. So it's clearly weighted. And a lot of it was early in his Seattle tenure. But he does have an overall good track record after a bye. But that either feast or famine is kind of what his season has been this year.
Starting point is 00:26:34 And I think the touchdown rate's a little high. He's at 6.9%, which leads the NFL. But he also has one of the highest touchdown rates amongst all active quarterbacks. And he has four or five seasons in his career at 6.6 percent or better so i don't know that there's as much regression as you might expect for a normal quarterback at 6.9 he's a he's a decent start this week against the bills and a high nqb2 rest of season uh the broncos average the third fewest pass attempts per game but this goes hand in hand with the touchdowns.
Starting point is 00:27:06 Russell Wilson is like eighth in green zone pass attempts, and that's with a bye. So they're not rushing. They're hardly ever rushing for touchdowns. When they get near the end zone, they're throwing the ball a lot. Maybe that changes if Javante Williams is really going to have a surge. All right, next up, I am a top 10 running back per game. This one's worth three points,
Starting point is 00:27:27 so you guys can beat Heath if you want. Am I allowed to guess until the end? You have to let David J.B. guess first that it's worth three points. No, let's just play. I am a top 10 running back per game. I am averaging 4.7 yards per carry. Among running backs with 50 or more carries, I am
Starting point is 00:27:47 number two in success rate, number two in rush EPA, number 13 in avoid rate, number two in percentage of carries for five or more yards, but number 35 in explosive run rate, carries of 12 or more yards. It's going to get a little
Starting point is 00:28:04 easier here. Before my injury, I had the second most rushing touchdowns from inside the five yard. Dave. Kyron Williams. Dave wins! Three points for Dave. Way to go, Dave. It was from way downtown. Bang. Yeah. Kyron Williams. Did you know it?
Starting point is 00:28:20 Did you know it, Heath? What? No. No. And I am expected back in week 12. And I ran a 4.65 40-yard dash at the 2022 NFL Combine and was drafted in the fifth round. It is Kyron Williams. Top 10 per game. A lot of touchdowns.
Starting point is 00:28:35 A lot of goal line stuff. Wasn't really great per carry until he ran for something like 150 yards in the second half against Arizona. But, you know, he's interesting. So how do you feel about Ky you know, he's interesting. So, how do you feel about Kyra Williams, guys? Good. How do you
Starting point is 00:28:51 get past what the Rams have done with their run game all year? A lot of it with Williams being force-fed touches and doing well with them and scoring a lot with them. Stafford coming back. Tough schedule rest of season, but it does ease up right around the fantasy playoffs.
Starting point is 00:29:15 I've got him ranked as a just outside of a top 12 running back rest of season. So if you're trading for him, you should expect to give up a decent amount. If you don't give up a decent amount, you're ripping somebody off. Good for you. Good for you to rip someone off in your league. Yeah, he's got two more weeks before you can play Kyron Williams. Bye week. No, three more weeks.
Starting point is 00:29:34 Bye week, then week 11, he's still out, and then week 12. And then he's back. So two more weeks before you can use him. But this is the time to trade for him if you're going to trade for him. So you don't think that Henderson or Freeman will have a role. It'll basically be the Kyron show. They'll have a role. It's just a matter of will it be all three of them having a role?
Starting point is 00:29:52 If it's just one of them having a role, then I think you're okay. I don't think he's going to return to the same level of work that they had. I mean, they said that prior to or I guess when he got hurt, you know, that this was going to be a little bit of a shared situation. They were trying to take work off his plate before. You know, they started to give Ronnie Rivers a few more touches before he got hurt, you know, that this was going to be a little bit of a shared situation. They were trying to take work off his plate before.
Starting point is 00:30:06 You know, they started to give Ronnie Rivers a few more touches before he got hurt also. But, I mean, this should be, when he's back, if everybody's healthy, the healthiest we've seen all the Rams. Remember, because when Kyron was at his best, Cooper Cupp was out, then Stafford gets hurt, and Kyron gets hurt. So, you know, we'll see how this all looks moving forward. I don't think he's going to be a top 12 running back,
Starting point is 00:30:27 but I think top 20 is safe. Yeah. I'd be closer to 20 than 12 for sure. Yeah. Agreed. Okay. All right. All right,
Starting point is 00:30:35 Dave, it is time for Thursday. You gave us three names for name that player. Yeah. We're done. I'm sorry. Would you like to do more? I thought it would be more names.
Starting point is 00:30:47 This is fun. Oh, I didn't know that. Now you're about to lead us into Thursday Night Football, which is the opposite of fun. All right, Dave. Carolina's at Chicago. Na, na, na, na, na, na. Loser.
Starting point is 00:30:59 Okay. Carolina, a little bonus drop in there. Stat of the game. All right. So, you're probably a little bonus drop in there. Stat of the game. All right. So, you're probably a little excited about Justin Fields, assuming he plays. Ready to get DJ Moore back in your lineup. You're pumped up about Cole Komet.
Starting point is 00:31:15 But the Panthers allow the ninth fewest fantasy points to quarterbacks, the fifth fewest fantasy points to wide receivers, and the ninth fewest fantasy points to tight ends. Geno Smith scored 17 points. Kirk Cousins, 13 points on 19 pass attempts. CJ Stroud scored 12 fantasy points a week before he scored like 52. Gardner Minshew scored 11. Drake London scored zero. Tyler Lockett, 6.4. Jordan Addison, zero. Nico Collins, seven. Michael Pittman, I think had 8 catches for 64 yards last week. TJ Hawkinson scored 4.4 points against the Panthers.
Starting point is 00:31:49 Kyle Pitts, 6.4. Dalton Schultz, 2.5. No tight end has more than 5 targets against the Carolina Panthers. Does any of this matter to you as you evaluate the Bears' passing game, Fields, Moore, Kmet? A little bit, but not enough that unless I have better options, I'm sitting those guys. So Fields really the only concern is how healthy is he?
Starting point is 00:32:11 But I'm going to guess if they're trusting him to play, which I hope is the case, he'll do enough with his legs and hopefully enough with his passing to be successful. What was DJ Moore's best game so far this season? A monster on Thursday night against Washington. And where did he go to college? Maryland. And where is he game so far this season? A monster on Thursday night against Washington. And where did he go to college?
Starting point is 00:32:27 Maryland. And where is he going back to this week? Well, the game's in Chicago. Are you saying that he went to Maryland and going to Washington was a homecoming? Oh, yeah. Well, come on. That's a little bit. But I do like this narrative I'll give you, Jay.
Starting point is 00:32:43 I don't know about that one. All right, so you like the revenge game narrative here? Oh, totally. I'm kind of excited for DJ Moore. I'm excited for DJ Moore. Let's just be happy about it. Someone said everything I just said was talking them out of Justin Fields, someone in the chat.
Starting point is 00:33:03 I don't want it to be like that. The bottom line is it's not that the Panthers' past events is so good of Justin Fields, someone in the chat. I don't want it to be like that. Um, the, the, the bottom line is it's not that the Panthers past events is so good. It's that their run defense is so bad and teams run on them so much. So they see the second fewest pass attempts per game in the NFL. Justin Fields doesn't need to throw the ball a lot to be great.
Starting point is 00:33:21 Uh, so, um, okay. Anyway, where are you guys going to rank Fields more Komet? Fields would be top 12, and Komet is already top 12. Yeah, 9 for Fields, 12 for Komet sounds about right.
Starting point is 00:33:38 I'd go a little higher on Komet if it's PPR and a little lower on Fields if he plays. And I would expect DJ Moore to go right back to getting a ton of targets from Fields if Fields is out there. Right now, I have Moore as a flex. I think if Fields plays, you've got to look at him as a low-end wide receiver too, at least. Yeah, if Fields plays, he'll be top 15 for me.
Starting point is 00:34:00 Moore. Moore will. Woo! So. I mean, the question comes down to, can the bears run the ball effectively? And if you think they can, and they'll get some fresh legs back with Khalil Herbert, but he's not going to get every time. I think the offensive line is getting better for Chicago, despite, you know, certain things that have happened over the last few weeks.
Starting point is 00:34:19 And that could be an advantage that the bears want to lean on and not put too much on Justin Fields' thumb in his first game back. It could be one of those games where everybody does just enough to peeve you off in fantasy, and no one has a great game. Well, I think the other side of it is, and listen, as bad as the Panthers' offense looked last week, it might be the case, but a lot of the reason the teams run so much against the Panthers is because the Panthers don't score any points. Are the bear is the bears defense going to completely shut Carolina down
Starting point is 00:34:51 or do we actually get some scoring in this game? Depends. Is Bryce young throwing to which team we'll get scoring in that regard? Yeah. Oh, okay. There's DST is absolutely in play. Where are we right now with Justin Fields?
Starting point is 00:35:04 I was thought he was expected to play in this game, but you haven't ranked. Yeah, Bears DST is absolutely in play. Where are we right now with Justin Fields? I thought he was expected to play in this game, but you haven't ranked him yet. He's been limited in practice. It sounds like he's trending in the right direction. Ibraflus was a little bit vague on Monday with his answer. Day-to-day, we'll see how it goes in practice. I'm sure we'll get a report today, if not tomorrow, that he's playing. Okay. sure we'll get a report today, if not tomorrow, that he's playing. If he plays, would you start
Starting point is 00:35:25 Justin Fields or Jared Goff? That would be Goff on the road at the Chargers. Goff. Goff in six points. Fields in four points. Justin Fields or Kyler
Starting point is 00:35:41 Murray against Atlanta? Fields. I'd lean toward Fields. Fields. I'd lean toward Fields. You wouldn't start any of the waiver guys like Baker or whoever the heck it was. I don't even remember who it was now. I might go with Baker. I might go with Geno as well.
Starting point is 00:35:57 I would go Fields. I actually have that decision to make. I just picked up Baker last night in a league where I have Fields. But if we're considering him still a way where our guy, I'd go Sam Howell over Fields. Agreed. I agree on Howell. That's a good one. And I'd go Stroud over Fields, of course. I would go Stroud over Fields too. Let's call it
Starting point is 00:36:13 Stroud, Howell. Those two for sure. You guys can disagree with me on this one if you want, but I'll take Geno and Baker for sure over Fields. I might struggle with Fields versus Dobbs. I would not trust Geno Smith over Dustin Fields. No, Geno's not a top 12 QB for me.
Starting point is 00:36:31 Me either. I'm not sure I agree with you guys on Howell. If you look at who Howell has had good games against, it's been some of the worst, some of the best matchups in fantasy. The Seahawks, I think they're 18th against quarterbacks, but they've been really good the last five weeks. They did not allow a 20-yard completion last week
Starting point is 00:36:48 to the Ravens. I mean, the Ravens ran all over them. Yeah. Seattle might try and do the same thing. That is one thing that goes against Geno. They might try and get their ground game. I think when you look at Howell, his best games have been against really, really easy matchups. I think it'll probably be around
Starting point is 00:37:04 20 points, but I'd take the upside of fields. That's fine. They're going to be back-to-back for me, but I just think right now, Howell is four of his last five or five of his last six with at least 40 attempts, a couple of those over 50. That's true. They're throwing the ball so much, and he got a little unlucky last week with a go for 325, one and one.
Starting point is 00:37:23 Still got you 19.7 fantasy points. Like, he's a touchdown away from another big game, too. So, just the amount of volume that he's giving you is, to me, a little bit safe. Plus, he'll run a little bit. He'll get you 20 yards rushing. Right. I think the combination of the fact, like, I don't think there's any chance they're going to be able to run against Seattle, probably. Right.
Starting point is 00:37:42 And he's actually started to limit the sacks a little bit. He's only been sacked four times in his last two games. Well, he's already averaging 50 dropbacks per game. It's just that he was getting sacked on five or 10 of them. And so if he's not,
Starting point is 00:37:55 he's probably going to throw 45 passes. All right. Sorry. All right. That's how we'll get to that game tomorrow or Thursday, Friday. Back to this game, though. Do you like any running backs in this game? I think you look at it as
Starting point is 00:38:10 Herbert probably should be considered the best, even though there's going to be some limitations on him based on the matchup. But, you know, will he get the full majority of touches going back to what he was right before the ankle injury? As Dave said said you know
Starting point is 00:38:25 foreman will be the one sharing it wouldn't surprise me if one of these guys is inactive because that was the case prior to herbert going down to foreman was inactive for four straight games so would they sit roshan would they sit foreman will they go with both uh in terms of excuse me go with all three and if all three are active are they going to all sort of cannibalize each other so i think you just view them as flex options at best with Herbert being the best of the bunch. I don't want to trust Chuba Hubbard, but flex at best for him too. And Miles Sanders actually looked good last week,
Starting point is 00:38:54 but can you buy back into him being anything significant? Because a lot of that came in garbage time. And it's just a shame when you look at a game with Carolina and Chicago and we don't want to start a running back. Carolina's supposed to be a layup. I'm not disagreeing with you. I just it's the situations are disappointing.
Starting point is 00:39:12 Yeah. I mean, if you if you were to say right now, Herbert, they're going to wait another week. And I think you could say Foreman's a number two running back without question. Right. Especially like DJ Moore's not the only one who has a revenge game, right? Yeah. Right. True. And the Bears are like they give up a lot of touchdowns, I guess, but they're okay especially like dj moore's not the only one who has a revenge game right yeah right true um and the bears are we like they give up a lot of touchdowns i guess but they're like second or
Starting point is 00:39:30 third in terms of yards per carry allowed to running backs they're getting a lot better they're getting a lot easier to throw on them than run well that's the thing they give up uh the most receiving yards per game to running backs but that's not exactly something you expect from the panthers running backs, but no, their run defense has actually been pretty solid. And in the last five weeks, I think only Eckler has had a good game against them. Really?
Starting point is 00:39:50 Like Camara was bad last week. Um, was that last week? Uh, yeah, it was, it Jacobs was really bad against them. I think he had a touchdown catch called back.
Starting point is 00:40:00 So, but on the other side, I mean, you, you, you wish you could have more confidence in Herbert or Foreman. You've talked about DJ Moore.
Starting point is 00:40:08 Where would you rank DJ Moore if Tyson Bajent is the quarterback? Where are you ranked right now? 20? Top 30. And what about Cole Komet? Start or sit?
Starting point is 00:40:20 And like, in that whole big group of the tight ends that have been hot lately, where does Cole Komet rank? At the top. Top 12. Behind Ferguson, behind McBride this week.
Starting point is 00:40:34 Yeah, I don't think he's at the top. I'm going to move him down a couple of spots. He'll be around 11 for me. McBride, I mean, that's interesting coming off such a dud you're going mcbride what do they have 56 total yards that's against cleveland i know and it was you have to you have to have a little bit of mental fortitude to go back to trey mcbride after what he did to your lineup there's your by low go go go get him yeah uh zach brooke asked me
Starting point is 00:41:03 to do like a sleeper and breakout for the second half of the season. I said McBride's is a breakout. Just looking at what he did the game before with Josh Dobbs, how many targets this team funnels to tight ends, and now Kyler coming back. There's a great by-low opportunity if you're sitting on somebody's bench. No hesitation
Starting point is 00:41:20 with Adam Thielen, right? Not correct. Nope. If anybody in the chat has any Cole Komet questions or anything from this game, I'll give you like 30 seconds to get your Chicago Carolina questions in there and then we will move on to another game.
Starting point is 00:41:37 I can just look for some. Would you start your favorite Bears running back or Jalen Warren or Najee Harris this week? Herbert. I kind of like Najee this week against the Packers. I do too.
Starting point is 00:41:52 Najee, Herbert, Warren. Agreed. We got a DJ Moore or Christian Kirk this week? Kirk against the Niners. Kirk right now. If Justin Fields plays, Moore. Right.
Starting point is 00:42:08 Drop Roshan Johnson. Yeah yeah he is so over rostered at 61 i think that's so sad too like this they just didn't work out in his favor there is jamie brought it up earlier like there's a chance that it's herbert and foreman on rushing downs and roshan on passing downs if all three are active. That's a mess that you just don't want to deal with. You're not going to get a ton of fantasy points. Someone will have to score. It'll probably be Foreman, but I don't really love any of them. Would you buy low on Miles Sanders?
Starting point is 00:42:38 You mean pick him up off the waiver wire? I would pick him up off the waiver wire. I wouldn't give up much for him, though. Final question is Cole Komet or Dalton Schultz? Schultz. Schultz. I agree. Anybody like a DST in this game?
Starting point is 00:42:55 Bears DST is interesting just because of the turnovers that Bryce Young's had. Bears pass rush is getting better. But I think you can find a better option than the Bears. I would hope that you can find a better option than the Bears. I would hope that you could find a better option than the Bears. Like the Raiders against the Jets, I'd rather go with them. Might find the Packers out there against the Steelers. That's not bad. Lions, who were just dropped.
Starting point is 00:43:17 Good defense. Okay. That's it for Thursday Night Football. Na-na-na-na-na-na. Yeah. And we're going to take another break. And when we come back, I got some rest of season rankings for you.
Starting point is 00:43:29 Some emails at fantasyfootballatcbsi.com. And hopefully you'll look at the most traded list. We'll be right back. We're back. Rank them rest of season. Devon Achan, Josh Jacobs, Alvin Kamara.
Starting point is 00:43:45 Kamara, Jacobs, A-chan. All top 12. Jacobs, Kamara, A-chan. I think I'll go Kamara, Jacobs, A-chan. But yeah. I'm getting worried about this Kamara usage. I don't know what the heck happened last week. I mean, did you see what Dennis Allen said?
Starting point is 00:44:06 No. It's a long season. We've got to make sure we get to where we want to get to and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, Jamal Williams. Kamara, I don't remember when I mentioned this. I think I mentioned it on Monday. He's got three straight games with a carry down to the one or two-yard line. I think the one-yard line. And Taysom Hill has scored subsequently every time
Starting point is 00:44:28 with two rushes and a catch. Stupid Taysom Hill. Who would you take Devon Achan over? Would you take him over Tony Pollard? Yep. I would not. Achan over Pollard? I'm going to say no right now, but if he doesn't have a good game against the Giants, I'll take A-Chan.
Starting point is 00:44:51 This is the Joe Boo game for Tony Pollard? Oh, yeah, big time. So here's what Dennis Allen said on the recent dip in snaps for Kamara. I think in a perfect world scenario, those snaps are getting evened out a little bit. And, yeah, it's a 17-game season. You want to keep guys healthy throughout the year. And we have other good players in the backfield. Obviously, Alvin's still a huge part of what we do offensively
Starting point is 00:45:12 and is going to be a major factor. But I think with a lot of these positions, the ability to kind of have a little bit of rotation where guys can kind of spell other guys, I think it's important. All right. Screw you, Dennis Allen. I mean, I get what he's saying, but yeah. It didn't used to matter for Kamara.
Starting point is 00:45:28 He was always kind of limited, but he was so good when he touched the ball, but he just isn't. But you got two things at play here. You got a coach trying to keep him fresh because their schedule sets up that they should win the division blindfolded. And then Taysom Hill.
Starting point is 00:45:42 It's annoying again. Yeah, oh, for sure. All right, rank them rest of season. Mostert, Kyron Williams, Jameer Gibbs. I'll say Kyron, Gibbs, Mostert. I think it's Gibbs, Kyron, Mostert. Same. Everybody has Mostert last, though.
Starting point is 00:46:05 Okay. Justin Jefferson, Puka Nakua, Adam Thielen. Rank them. Jefferson, Puka, Thielen. Jefferson, Thielen, Puka. That's how I have it. Yeah. Yeah, that's fine.
Starting point is 00:46:24 You sound sad about that i i think it's a fun group to to try to parse because i still don't feel 100 confident that matthew stafford's going to start every game for the rams rest of season and jefferson's still on ir and has joshua dobbs as his quarterback and deal Dillon's been a top five wide receiver. Right. Rank him rest of season. Marquise Brown, Amari Cooper, DeAndre Hopkins.
Starting point is 00:46:54 That's a great one. Brown, Cooper Hopkins. I'll take Cooper first. Cooper, Hopkins. Yep. I'll take Cooper first. Cooper Hopkins Brown. Michael Pittman. Nico Collins. Debo Samuel.
Starting point is 00:47:14 Rank them. Pittman, Collins, Debo. Feels like Pittman's the easy one here, so I'll take Pittman. I agree. Pittman, Debo, Nico. Yeah. Pittman and Debo are real close in non-PPR though
Starting point is 00:47:29 I have them all within five points but I've got Debo, Pittman, Nico I just want to say I'm not a film breaker downer guy I think that's what they call them but I was watching Tank Dell yesterday and my god is he he should have had a 90 yard touchdown catch in a game where he already had like 115 yards
Starting point is 00:47:53 of touchdown he should have gone over 200 with two touchdowns he completely abused this cornerback ran right by him and stroud from the 10 yard line the ball that was the line of scrimmage stroud missed him badly uh heoud had a great game, obviously, but he did miss some throws. But Dell just can't cover him. I was so impressed. And I've been so impressed with Nico, too. These guys are good.
Starting point is 00:48:13 These guys are really talented. It's fun. Toughest team to preview every week, though. Just start them. I mean, this is a big step up in competition, you know, from, from last week,
Starting point is 00:48:26 going from the bucks to the bangles. I'm really, and then they go right back down to Arizona the week after. I'm very curious to see how to start them every week. Like a game of the week. Maybe. All right. Ah,
Starting point is 00:48:37 Hey, I went two in one. Don't give me that. Except don't. Well, tell that to Gabe Davis, but I kind of went James Cook. Uh, yeah, I went, I went one, one in one. Don't give me that. Except, well, tell that to Gabe Davis. James Cook? Yeah, I went
Starting point is 00:48:48 one, one, and one last week. Fair. No, you went two and one. Thank you, Jamie. I appreciate that. Let's read some emails. Fantasyfootballatcbsi.com. But the one you ruined was pretty bad. I didn't ruin that. The Chiefs defense ruined that. Chiefs are bad for fantasy. Their quarterback stinks and their defense is great.
Starting point is 00:49:04 I got my quarter. The Chiefs are bad for fantasy. Their quarterback stinks and their defense is great. With David Montgomery coming off of IR, I need to drop someone. Who would you drop out of this group? You ready? This is going to be tough. Jordan Addison, Devontae Adams, Marquise Brown, Deontay Johnson, or Adam Thielen?
Starting point is 00:49:24 I mean, make a trade. Yep. A two-for-one deal. I read this one because basically I just want to know who your least favorite is from this group rest of season. Addison, Adams, Marquise Brown, Deontay Johnson, Adam Thielen. Addison. Addison. A Brown for me.
Starting point is 00:49:40 I said Addison, too, when I replied to the email. Man, we know that Joshua Dobbs is going to throw the ball 30% of the time to TJ Hawkinson. That's what he's done at every stop. And Justin Jefferson's coming back next week. I don't know if there's anything left for Jordan Addison. He's also, well, to be
Starting point is 00:49:58 fair, has he ever had a group like this? Josh Dobbs? That's true. Never. Never. And a play caller like this too? Never. No, but he's arguably the worst deep ball passer in the NFL. So that's another knock against Jordan. I don't know. He hit Addison on a couple of deep balls against Atlanta. We've got to reevaluate that with some of the guys we've got starting right now.
Starting point is 00:50:20 Are you saying Joshua Dodd does a worse deep ball than Tommy DeVito? No, no. I'm not even sure Tommy DeVito is going to be starting. No, he doesn't. Besides, he's the Pasternaut. Dobbs, yes, is the Pasternaut. That's very good. From Jimmy, I need to
Starting point is 00:50:37 start a wide receiver. I didn't even put his question in. I think he wanted to drop Christian Watson for Demario Douglas. That's what it was. Would you do that? He needs it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:49 This week. I'd rather have Douglas. Yeah. Especially if it's PPR. That's a dude who's fast too. You go watch him. If you want to have some fun from Eric Mello. What's the,
Starting point is 00:50:59 what's the all bus list for the season? Watson's got to be close to being on it, right? Oh yeah. Christian Watson. Sure. Damien Pierce. I was, I was thinking, yeah. Christian Watson? Sure. Damian Pierce? I was thinking about that. It really just depends. Are you
Starting point is 00:51:09 going with round three, four, or five guys who were really terrible? Or are you going with round one guys who have been round five or six picks so far? Is Damian Pierce a bigger bust than Bijan Robinson? Yes. It's a great question.
Starting point is 00:51:24 You know what? We're going to end the show with the all bust list. I'll make it a segment. Pierce a bigger bust than B. John Robinson? Yes. It's a great question. We're going to end the show with the all bust list. I'll make it a segment so you guys can think about it. This is from Eric. Eric, get Pollard and DJ Moore. Give up James Cook, Jalen Waddle, and Dalton Kincaid.
Starting point is 00:51:41 He still has Evan Ingram. Give up James Cook, Waddle, and Kincaid for Tony Pollard and DJ Moore. Love it. That's a no. It's a B-. D. Why, Heath? I don't
Starting point is 00:51:58 know. I like Waddle more than I like DJ Moore. You're giving up a very good tight end. And I don't know that there's a huge gap between cook and Bullard. I hope that the rest of season, there's a huge gap. That's what you're banking on is for Pollard to be a good number two running
Starting point is 00:52:18 back. It's just not a good fantasy option. It's a problem. Well, let's talk about a bus. Tony Pollard? Pollard has underperformed, but I think rest of season, I'll take my chances with Pollard.
Starting point is 00:52:32 To me, that's the part of the trade that you're banking on, is that Pollard is the guy we hoped. There's another part of this, too, though. Can you lose a trade if it makes your team better? Because if you have Ingram and Kincaid, you might be giving up too much, but it still makes makes your team better. Because if you have Ingram and Kincaid, you might be giving up too much,
Starting point is 00:52:47 but it still makes your starting lineup better. And maybe you could argue I could have done better for Kincaid or something like that. But if you're not going to start both of those tight ends, then you are going to make your starting lineup better potentially by making this trade. I mean, that's why we always say you want to get the best player.
Starting point is 00:53:03 Is Pollard the best player or is Kincaid the best player? That's only up for debate. We want all the best players. I think it's all up for debate. That's why I think it's a pretty close trade. But if Pollard can somehow turn things around,
Starting point is 00:53:17 then he's the best player in the deal. Is Kincaid locked into the target volume that he's had when Knox comes back? I know it sounds silly, but when is Knox coming back?
Starting point is 00:53:24 That's a great question. I don't know, two, three weeks? I haven't seen a time. He had surgery, so that might be a longer absence than just four weeks, but that's a good question. I don't know how. I think we said this about George Pickens, like how do you put that back in the box,
Starting point is 00:53:40 but that's exactly what they did. They're like, you're too good, George. Sit down. It's a squeaky wheel for him, by the way. All right, let's's exactly what they did. They're like, you're too good, George. Sit down. Squeaky wheel for him, by the way. All right, let's go to our next one. From Colin, Bench One in PPR. DJ Moore, Nico Collins, DeAndre Hopkins, Ken Walker.
Starting point is 00:53:59 Hopkins. Bench One? Yeah. I'm going to bench Nico. I'm not going to bench Nico. I'm not going to bench Nico. I'll bench more if Bajan plays and I'll bench. I might bench Hopkins. I hate benching Hopkins this week,
Starting point is 00:54:19 man. Not against that defense. No way. Tampa. Yeah. It's, it's close between him and Nico. I'd hate to bench Nico and watch him pop off
Starting point is 00:54:26 again. This one's from Corey. When was the last time he popped off? He was top 12 last week. Was he? Nico? Yeah. Pretty sure. From Corey. 10-team Dynasty Superflex
Starting point is 00:54:42 PPR League. I'm 4-5. I lost Daniel Jones. I have Mahomes and Levis. I have four first-round picks for next season. Should I look to trade for a quarterback like Stroud or Kyler or just hold and draft the top quarterback next year in a 10-team Superflex Dynasty League? He said he was 4-5?
Starting point is 00:55:01 Yeah. I'm not trading a first-round pick if I'm 4-5. Even if you have four and five? Yeah. I'm not trading a first-round pick if I'm four and five. Even if you have four of them? I mean, I guess if you have the team that you think is the best team in the league and you can get C.J. Stroud for it, then that's great. Yeah. Would you do it for Kyler Murray? Yes.
Starting point is 00:55:20 For the pick that I think is the last pick in the draft, yes. In the first. That's fine. For your worst first-round pick, you're saying. Right. The one you think will be the worst. I mean, Kyler Murray is definitely worth a first-round pick in a Superflex league.
Starting point is 00:55:31 100%. Yeah. All right, this is from... Nico was tied for 13th in PPR. Yeah, I mean, 14 PPR points. That wasn't a big game. I wouldn't call that popping off. But he's capable of it.
Starting point is 00:55:42 He's definitely capable of it, but we haven't seen it in a long time. All right, this is from Kyle. Dear Richard, Otis, and Mike, but he's capable of it. He's definitely capable of it, but we haven't seen it in a long time. All right. This is from Kyle. Dear Richard, Otis, and Mike, Dave should be able to get the names in the intro. Bears.
Starting point is 00:55:54 Bears. Okay. Kyle from a town north of Tampa. Chicago. Let's go with Paducah, Kentucky. Those were 85 bears, right? Richard Dent and Otis Wilson and Mike Singletary. I don't know Otis Wilson.
Starting point is 00:56:14 I know the other guys. I would give up. Mama's boy Otis, one of a kind. I would give up. Ladies love him for his body and his mind. I would give up Jalen Hurts and DeAndre Swift for Jared Goff, Justin Jefferson, and Jameer Gibbs. He still has Rashad White, Joe Mixon, and Gainwell. So give up Hurts and Swift.
Starting point is 00:56:37 Get Goff, Jefferson, and Gibbs. Wow. Wow. I'd do it C I think it's fair I think it's pretty fair too B plus alright let's go the all bus team
Starting point is 00:56:56 from 2023 who's our captain when the season isn't even over yet who's the captain yeah Devante that's a pretty good one should be up there let's let's eliminate injuries by the way all right yeah davante adam i think go by position like quarterback for me is lawrence yes easy makes sense
Starting point is 00:57:18 running backs would be pierce and sanders the list. Are they the top two? They both missed games due to injury. Well, Pierce just missed one. Sanders just missed one, right? But even when they played, they haven't been great.
Starting point is 00:57:36 Pollard, a Pollard, Bijan. Just for me, it's like, I can't start them. And like, that's, that's where I draw the line.
Starting point is 00:57:42 Like I'm not starting these guys. Yeah. You're still starting Pollard and Bijan, unless you're just loaded. I don't think we're going to agree on this. Do we have a YouTube poll up? Let's see if we have it. I wanted to see who people thought was the bigger bust. I know Madison just had a good game, but could he qualify?
Starting point is 00:58:04 Does he make the team? He's not as bad as Pierce. He's probably ranked about where – his points per game are probably putting him right about where he was ranked. Damian Pierce is on the list. These guys were mostly fourth and fifth round picks. Yeah. Right, but now they're unstartable.
Starting point is 00:58:22 Like they're bi-week replacements until they prove otherwise. As Adam would say, it's almost better because they're not hurting you every week. I think it's easy to find a tight end. Your first-round pick that's scoring 12 points a game is killing you. All right, so let's do one-on-one. Let's do Bijan Robinson and...
Starting point is 00:58:41 Well, should it be Bijan or Pollard? Let me see who's got more points per game. It's got to be Pollard. I would assume it's Pollard. Yeah, Pollard. All right. So Tony Pollard and Damian Pierce. Devante Adams is a wide receiver.
Starting point is 00:58:52 Who else? I can't believe Kyle Pitts is a bust. Yes, Kyle Pitts is a bust. Would it be Higgins? I think I'm going to play the injury card on that. Because he got the burrow injury. It's fine. That's why you can't put Waller or Goddard on there.
Starting point is 00:59:13 Devontae Smith. It's those round two receivers that have struggled. DK. Ridley. Yeah. Oh, Ridley. This is, I guess it's not per game. You know where Devante Adams ranks at wide receiver this season per game,
Starting point is 00:59:31 23, 23 per game, 14 overall. Uh huh. Yeah. 23 per game is pretty bad for like the number six wide receiver. Uh, let's see who Devante Smith is.
Starting point is 00:59:43 28th per game. Um, D D Bo's, number six wide receiver. Let's see. Devontae Smith is 28th per game. Debo is 37th per game. I think Calvin Ridley is at 43rd per game. I think Calvin Ridley is... Yeah, he makes the list. All right. Hopefully he has a good second half. We get three receivers in a flex,
Starting point is 01:00:00 so we'll put four receivers on the list. All right. Well, we don't have to. We can throw Bijat on there. Tony Pollard, Damian Pierce, Devante Adams, Calvin Ridley, Kyle Pitts is our tight end. Who's another wide receiver? We got DK?
Starting point is 01:00:17 No. DK's a pretty good one, but what about Jahan Dotson? He was like a sixth or seventh round pick. A flat out drop. Dotson. He was like a sixth or seventh round pick. He's a flat-out drop. Dotson qualifies. He's in the comp. Christian Watson, to me, is worse.
Starting point is 01:00:32 Oh, that's a layup. Christian Watson. You could play the injury card there, though. But he's been so bad, even without the... But he got hurt right after preseason ended and never seemingly recovered. Jake Bobo is only wide receiver 73. Or was Jerry Judy being drafted?
Starting point is 01:00:51 Well, he was in that round six range. He had that injury though. No, no, no. Seven. Cause he had the injury.
Starting point is 01:00:56 Yeah. He got back. Yeah. He got, he got pushed down. His injury might've hurt him, but it didn't matter to Terry McLaurin. All right.
Starting point is 01:01:02 So let's decide. Are we, are we going DK? Are we going Watson? Are we going Dotson? You got four. Who are they? Adams. Ridley. Ridley. DK.
Starting point is 01:01:16 DK. Christian Watson. It's a good group. And Kyle Pitts. Yeah, we're including an injured guy. Yeah, he's earned it though. Finding a list of players who have not missed a game due to injury this season and have been terrible is
Starting point is 01:01:31 pretty difficult. And you know what? I would say that... Where is he? We're missing one guy here. Justin Tucker is like kicker 11. So he's our picker. There you go. And the Eagles DST is definitely.
Starting point is 01:01:47 Eagles for sure. Thank you everybody. It was a fun show. We'll talk to you tomorrow with Starter Sip for the AFC home game. See you later. For a limited time, switch to Shopify point of sale and you could save up to 20% and improve your bottom line. We're so serious about savings, we've made this ad 20% shorter.
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