Fantasy Football Today - Trustometer, Trades, Patriots-Falcons, Fantasy Cops (11/18 Fantasy Football Podcast)
Episode Date: November 17, 2021We've got a long show today and stay tuned until the end for a fun round of Fantasy Cops. We'll begin the show with a format discussion. Find out why Adam is over the 3-WR, full PPR format. Then we've... got buy low (10:00) and sell high (20:30) candidates from Dave. What should you give up for Kyler Murray? Are we nervous about T.J. Hockenson's schedule (15:00)? ... News and notes (23:00), a couple of players with tough schedules (28:00) and the Trustometer for QBs (32:30), RBs (41:30), WRs and TEs. We spend time on Aaron Rodgers, Jalen Hurts, Tyler Lockett, Darrell Henderson, Mike Evans and other inconsistent players ... Previewing Patriots-Falcons (48:40), answering your questions from email (59:00) and Apple Podcast (1:02:30) and hearing from the Fantasy Cops (1:04:00) to settle league disputes! ... Email us at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @ctowerscbs, @BenSchragg Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, Heath, and Beck.
Well, Thanksgiving is just over a week away,
and that means we'll have plenty of time to talk about side dishes and dark meat versus white meat and all that stuff,
but also trade deadlines.
Trade deadlines are rapidly approaching.
Very upset about our 2QB league where the trade deadline already passed when I had a trade
pending. That was kind of
I guess it's my fault
for not checking when the trade deadline was, but that's
egregious. Very early. Very early.
Yeah, I have a couple
leagues where I was actually thinking
I wish that I had moved the trade deadline
back. We should have. That
should have been something that we
foresaw in August.
We have an extra week of the
regular season. We should move the trade
deadline back a week.
For it to be last
week in a league, that's early
even for a 17-game season.
Sorry, schedule. 16 games.
17 weeks. Maybe that one never got moved from when it
was 16 games.
Anyway, I have a random thought to start the show,
and then we're obviously going to go into buy low, sell high,
and the trust-o-meter.
What, Heath?
What did I do?
No, I said, oh, good.
I'm looking forward to hearing your random thought.
Okay, here's my random thought.
How are you doing today, Dave?
Dave, what's up?
Hi, Dave.
I'm in a nice track suit.
All right.
Yeah, looking good.
All right. So my random thought is the full PPR, three wide receiver, and flex league, I am anti.
I'm against it.
I don't – it's not that I don't like it.
It's almost all of our leagues are like that, almost all of my leagues because that's just – that's what we do here.
You know, it eliminates the difficult decisions.
I'm sick of talking about these players
that are really frustrating
and that we want to make these cases to sit
and then going,
well, it's a three-receiver PPR league with a flex.
You have to start them.
Well, why?
Why should that be?
I think when you go three receivers
and a flex and full PPR,
which receivers are you going to sit?
So I think we should stop with that
and change it to two receivers and two flexes.
So now at least you have the possibility of sitting a DJ more
for a running back that you might have on your bench
if you're loaded at running back or something like that.
I'm getting frustrated with the format
because it's almost like the advice that we give on these players,
it doesn't even matter because in that format,
you have to start them anyway.
There's been lots of players that have moved
from starts in that format to sits
like LaVisca Chenault, Marvin Jonesones jarvis landry um you're talking about drops
i like that is probably the most common format i assume i saw your twitter poll yeah i was
surprised that many people said they had a league like that i can't imagine there's another format
you could be that specific about where 36 of people would say they play in a league like that.
And I really probably should have put...
So the Twitter poll...
I want Dave to talk after this.
The Twitter poll was, do you play in this specific fantasy format?
Full PPR, one QB, two running backs, three wide receivers, tight end flex.
32% yes, 68% no.
But really, some of the no's are 2QB,
and that doesn't really change this either.
So maybe it's more like 35, 36% of the respondents
would have said yes,
because the 2QB doesn't change this discussion.
But Dave, I don't know.
It's like, I want to make some tough decisions.
Benching Jarvis Landry, that's not a tough decision.
Benching DJ Moore is a tough decision. I want to make those tough decisions, andching Jarvis Landry, that's not a tough decision. Benching DJ Moore is a tough decision.
I want to make those tough decisions,
and I'd rather play with two flexes anyway.
So I think we should, I don't know,
I think we should get away from this format.
Counterpoint.
Fantasy football is supposed to be fun.
Tough decisions should be left for real life,
not for fantasy football.
Come on.
You don't believe that.
Look,
you're,
I think you're going to make tough decisions in fantasy,
no matter what your lineup restrictions are.
I think if you had better players,
you might have tougher decisions.
No,
you wouldn't have it in a three receiver,
full PPR plus false league.
You wouldn't have that many receivers where you'd have tough decisions.
I was expecting a different response from Dave,
so I'm going to give it for him.
Next year, don't be such a wimp and weasel out of our auction league
because that is half PPR, two wide receivers, and two flexes.
The exact type of format you'd like to play.
That is great.
Yeah.
All right, I'll think about it.
I'm in a 12-team keeper league where we still don't use PPR.
It's been going since 1997.
We start two running backs,
two wide receivers, and one tight end.
I am in a 14-team analyst league,
two of them,
where we have to start two running backs,
three wide receivers,
one tight end, and three flexes.
Yep.
In both leagues, there are tough decisions to make.
One of them, I've got to decide between, you know, which of these receivers
to start between CeeDee Lamb and like really good Tyreek Hill is one of my receivers.
We have great receivers in the keeper league.
And then in the expert league where there's three flexes and three wide receivers, well, Jamison
Crowder is a must-start receiver for me.
There are all kinds of... The decisions that you're
looking to make, you want to be challenged, Adam. You want to make some
interesting decisions and have to put your butt on the line with these decisions for your
fantasy team. You're going to have to make decisions like that pretty much every single league that you're in
yeah unless you're in some sort of like you know 16 mickey mouse league where you start one of each
and then you don't have any tough decisions to make necessarily you'll have decisions oh you
will look i get it there's always always are you in the magazine league? Yeah. Well, that one's a half PPR league.
It's not the same format.
It's the three receiver plus flex thing,
but yeah, you're right.
Well, sort of right.
All right, you know what?
Look, I said my piece.
I just think that,
I think so many times this year,
and I'm not criticizing the analysis
because it's true.
So many times this year,
we've said, well, you know,
he's struggling this and that,
but you're starting him anyway.
It's a three receiver.
And I don't like that.
I don't want to start DJ Moore anymore.
We do the same thing.
The reason we do that
is because there's so many more
wide receivers than running backs.
We do the same thing with running backs
as RB2s.
Not this week,
because this week,
running back feels okay.
But a lot of weeks,
the guys ranked between 19 and 24.
Half of them have been awful,
but they're going to get 15 touches.
You got to start two running backs.
We're going to start them anyway.
Or tight end.
Well, he's a tight end.
I know he's only had four catches in the last three weeks,
but he might score a touchdown.
So he's a tight end.
This is different.
The same thing.
This is different. I'm right.
Okay, let's move on.
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Frank Stample, who is currently in the top 10
in the Scott Fishbowl overall leaderboard.
He has built himself a juggernaut.
And by the way, the number one team, FFT alum Ben Gretsch.
And in the top 175, some fat vampire wearing a brown track jacket.
What about me? Am I in there?
Are you even playing in the
fishbowl what do you yes come on of course you're not in the top i don't think you're in the top
i'm actually good i i thought this was one of my worst teams it's actually
it's actually solid how many um what place are you in overall or no in your division
i want to say i'm in third okay the best you can tell us pretty close
to where you're at in the standings by how many points you scored because we know dave's at 175
or whatever and he we know we can figure out how many points he's scored i'll tell you how many
points i've scored i don't believe i'm in the top anything i have scored 1589 points
yeah you're not in the top.
Which is third most in my league.
Our league is defensively oriented.
You can be your third in your league and just change subjects,
but it's not third overall.
Frank is literally like seventh or eighth overall.
Yeah, that's amazing.
All right, sorry.
Enough about us.
So today on the show, we're doing the Trust-O-Meter.
We're going to talk about players if we trust them rest of season.
And that's going to really be a trade segment, you know.
But before we do that, I think, Dave, you might have some other buy lows
and sell highs you want to mention that aren't going to be on this list.
If you do, please fire away.
I have no idea if these names are on your list or not.
But two quarterbacks that I would
consider buying low on right now are Kyler Murray and Matthew Stafford, neither of whom you might
be able to use in week 11, but you've got to think long-term with them. And if you're on a team
that's five and five or better, but you've been streaming quarterbacks, these are two guys that
you can try and grab, especially if the team that's been struggling with Kyler Murray on the bench is also five and five or four and six or three and seven.
You should be able to procure him from them in exchange for a couple of players that can help their team win.
Now there's two types of fantasy and we should preface the buy lows and sell highs with this.
There are two types of fantasy teams right now.
There are the teams that have visions on making it to the fantasy playoffs.
They're feeling good about their squad,
and they might need to make one or two moves,
maybe consolidate their whole roster so that they've got their lineup set
ready for the big playoff push.
And then there's the teams that are trying to get into the playoffs,
and they'll do whatever it takes, and they're in win-right-now mode.
They can't afford to have that seventh loss.
Once you get to seven losses this year,
it's going to be tough to make the playoffs in your league.
I think it's eight.
I agree with everything Dave said,
especially the part about Kyler Murray.
But I think it's eight this year.
I think a lot of teams are going to make it at seven and seven.
You might make it at seven and seven with tiebreaker help.
But if you want to be sure that you're in,
don't lose seven games.
All right, so Kyler Murray was not on the trust-o-meter,
but he could have been.
And Stafford was only started,
I don't know what to make of this.
He was only started in 77% of leagues on Monday,
which really shocked me.
And I don't know if that was a Robert Woods reaction or what.
And then obviously he had a dud, so people were right.
I wonder what's his highest start rate this season.
Oh, he's had weeks where he's been in the 90s.
He's got to have 90-plus weeks.
Because he was drafted as a second quarterback in a lot of leagues.
Mm-hmm.
I mean, well, I can try to find out for you.
But no, there were definitely weeks where he was almost universally started.
He was coming off a bad game.
He lost Robert Woods.
I don't know what the thought was there.
Okay, so you guys,
so Dave, you obviously have faith in Stafford.
We'll get into him later.
How about sell highs,
or did you want to do more buy lows?
I mean, I've got three more buy lows.
You can pick one if you want to talk about them,
but Daryl Henderson,
off the miserable couple of games that he's had,
I figure the Rams have to start
getting back to running the football.
And he played over 70% of the snaps in week 10. So I don't think they're trying to get away from him and give more work to Sony Michelle. I think they realize that they're going to have to
run the football on top of throwing it. They can't just have Stafford throw it 50 times a game.
Michael Pittman had a bad game. Anytime a player like that as a bad game. Uh, I like the idea of
trying to buy low
on him cheap. I imagine that it's going to eventually hurt T.Y. Hilton that he's playing
with Michael Pittman because Pittman is the number one guy in Indianapolis. And T.J. Hawkinson,
one target, no catches. How many more times are we going to see that from him? So if you're
streaming tight ends and you don't like what you've got tight end and you want somebody who
should be a good enough starter at minimum rest of season,
Hawkinson is someone you can trade for cheaply right now.
I want to go back to Kyler Murray.
Is this a fair trade offer to a 4-6 team who has Kyler Murray?
Dak Prescott for Kyler Murray and Miles Sanders?
Yes.
I think you're asking for a little too much.
I think it's fair. That was my computer. Daveave says a little too much i think it's fair that means it's probably you know i would not
i would not take kyler murray for dac and sanders knowing that sanders could be back really soon
no it's kyler and sanders for dac oh kyler and sanders for d No, I still wouldn't do that either. That's too much to give for Dak.
It's not even.
But I think it's important also,
and the traits are awesome and very important.
You can't worry so much about getting equal value if you're four and six
and you have four players who aren't going to play this week.
Right. Like you have to win this week. It doesn't matter if you lose the trade,
if your season's over after this week. Right. But you're trading Kyler Murray and
Miles Sanders, neither of whom are guaranteed to play this week. That's the reason you're
trading them away. The four and six team has Kyler and Sanders to get Dak.
Okay. So that's overpaying for Dak Prescott,
but I get your point. I want to
talk about two of the guys that you just said,
Michael Pittman and Hawkinson, because
I hate their schedules.
Hawkinson, he has Cleveland
this week, and they're 22nd
against tight ends. They give up a lot of
touchdowns, but they don't give up a lot of yards.
Hawkinson doesn't score touchdowns. Then they have Chicago. They give up a lot of touchdowns, but they don't give up a lot of yards. And Hawkinson doesn't score touchdowns.
Then they have Chicago.
They are fourth against tight ends.
Then they have Minnesota.
They're fifth.
They haven't allowed a touchdown to a tight end yet.
Then they have Denver.
They're third.
They haven't allowed a touchdown to a tight end yet.
Then they have Arizona.
They're first.
And they've only played one good tight end.
And that's George Kittle. And he crushed them for 100 yards and a touchdown.
So I think, so they have Cleveland
and then their next four opponents,
Detroit's next, TJ Hawkins' next four opponents
after Cleveland are top five against tight ends.
And three of them have given up a combined
one touchdown to tight ends.
I don't necessarily care,
but I did want to bring that up and see,
you know,
do you care about that?
Because it is obviously hard to figure out who's really good against tight
ends.
Arizona,
perfect example.
They're number one right now,
and they might not even be good at all.
Cause they've only played one good tight end.
It was Kittle and he crushed them.
But there's that for Hawkinson and Pittman.
We can do separately,
but Dave,
does that make you pump the brakes on calling him a by-low?
He's a by-low because of what he's been doing.
The schedule moving forward definitely sucks,
but this is why you're not going to give up that much form.
You're not going to give up Tyler Lockett for TJ Hawkinson.
You're not going to give up in a PBR league.
You're not going to give up Hunter Renfro for TJ Hawockinson. You're not going to give up, in a PBR league, you're not going to give up Hunter Renfro
for TJ Hockinson.
Alright, so then you can't really feel that
confidence in him. You're trying to get him for scraps
on your bench. Alright.
The one I have a question about is
Michael Pittman
if T.Y. Hilton plays the rest
of the games this season.
Right, so... Do you really think, though,
that Pittman's target volume
is going to crater
just because Hilton's there?
No.
Eventually, Indianapolis is going to say...
And there's going to be games
where it won't go like the Jacksonville game,
where they're going to have to throw
30-some-odd-plus times.
I don't know how many times
Wentz threw against Jacksonville,
but I think Pittman's still going to be the number one receiver there.
I 100% think Pittman is going to be the number one receiver.
It's,
I think it's the difference.
I'm trying to get the numbers now.
I believe he's around a 26% target share in the games that Hilton has not
played.
Maybe 25 has played.
He's got to be way lower.
I, right. And so if it's a difference between 25 and 20 i do think if he's a 20 target share in that offense then he's just a number three
wide receiver and and that's what you should try and pay to get him well yeah okay but
you know it's he does have a bad schedule beginning this week with Buffalo.
Oh, wow.
Went through 34 times.
I knew he only had 180 yards,
and I knew he didn't score,
but 34 times, that's a lot.
Pittman is really doing a lot with his targets, though.
You got to give him credit for that.
Agreed.
50% share last Sunday.
All right, so let me just get to the schedule here
because Buffalo is number one against wide receivers.
Tampa Bay, I don't really know what to make of them.
They've gone five or six games in a row
without giving up more than 70 yards to a wide receiver.
They've gone four or five games in a row
without giving up more than 60 yards to a receiver.
Mostly playing bad receivers,
but also Terry McLaurin last week.
Devontae Smith was in there.
Darnell Mooney was in there for what that's worth.
But they've been much better. And then
Houston, that's fine. A bye.
But the playoffs are New England,
Arizona, and Las Vegas
for Pittman. I don't know how you feel about
those. Now, New England, obviously we know they're very good.
Arizona, they have this
tendency to be great
against number ones and give up points to the others.
They gave up a touchdown to Robbie Anderson
last week. And Las Vegas is fifth against wide receivers.
That one, I mean, I never really bought it,
but it just kept happening until last week.
And they always collapse second half,
so it wouldn't shock me if that was easy.
But anyway, does Pittman's schedule scare you?
A little bit, but not enough to make me
not want to acquire him and think of him
as someone who can be a number three receiver
with a chance to finish the year as a number two. I just don't know how you get Michael Pittman for
number three receiver value. It's, you know, he's been so good because he's coming off of a crummy
game. Not really. I mean, five or 71 back in his target chair is going down. All right. The bet is
that his target chair rebounds even with Hilton playing.
Or Hilton gets hurt and Pittman's back up to where he was. Pittman has the most
yards of any wide receiver against the Rams
this year. He has the second most yards
of any wide receiver against the
Ravens. And then he
has the fourth most yards of any wide receiver
against one other tough matchup.
Was it San Francisco, I
think? And the others that were ahead of him were like Devontae Adams, Cooper Cupp, and one other guy matchup. Was it San Francisco, I think?
And the others that were ahead of him were like Devontae Adams, Cooper Cup, and one other guy.
So he's performed pretty well in tough matchups.
So it really does matter whether you call Week 8
a game that T.Y. Hilton played or not.
Because if you just look at Week 6 and 10
when Hilton didn't leave early,
Pittman's got a 15% target share in those two games.
But he saw like 11 targets
or something in week eight. No, five,
but they didn't throw any passes. I don't remember.
But he had a huge target share in week eight,
so it's pretty normal.
Would you rather have Pittman or Lockett?
Lockett.
Heath, are you there?
Yeah, I thought I said Lockett.
Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't hear you.
Pittman or Devante Smith?
Smith.
I will take Pittman.
Pittman, okay.
So, Heath, Smith or Lockett?
Lockett.
You sure?
Yeah.
Well, I mean, as sure as I am about anything over the next month.
I offered Heath my Devante Smith for his Tyler Lockett.
He's not going to accept it.
Okay, so then why don't we talk about sell highs.
Dave, who you got?
Well, the first sell high seems like a pretty obvious one.
It's A.J. Dillon.
And it comes down to, do you need A.J. Dillon?
Are you one of those teams that's four and six
and you're doing everything you can to win now? If you one of those teams and you have aj dylan uh you just
got an extra booster strapped to your back and you're rocketing toward the playoffs so you don't
necessarily want to give them up then unless someone's willing to give you a ton for them
because there is a lot of hype out there about aj d. And so if you can cash in on that hype and get a top 12 receiver,
a top five quarterback, a top four tight end,
you pair Dillon with another player to improve at running back, someone that can help you the rest
of the season. Maybe you turn AJ Dillon into David Montgomery.
I would make a move like that, but I don't think he's necessarily
a strict sell high,
get them off your team for whatever you can.
It's more like if you can cash in,
now's the time to take your chips to the cashier.
Okay.
And you want to just fire off a few more names you want to,
or should we move on to a new segment?
Cause like we got plenty of names up to you.
Uh,
the other names that I would give you are Keenan Allen,
because it's just again same
thing his value is just sky high but you shouldn't just trade him away and then higby if you higby's
one where you should just try and get whatever you can because you can't start him this week
you'll never feel comfortable starting him again he's coming off a game where he scored a touchdown
after like four straight games without a touchdown so if you can find a team that's desperate at tight end,
you might be able to trade Higby
and another player for one player.
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report so let's take a look at our news and notes now. Eli Mitchell has a fractured finger.
So Jeff Wilson's still 36% rostered.
Is he a must-add right now?
And I'm sorry, I should clarify.
Eli Mitchell may play in this game, but this week.
It's not a huge injury.
But is Jeff Wilson a must-add, guys?
Heath, I'll start with you.
He's a want-to-add.
Yeah, I didn't
put a claim in for him everywhere. There were
teams where my bench had players
on it that I didn't want to drop for Jeff Wilson, but
he was amongst the top
five running back priorities and
amongst the top ten overall
priorities that I had. I still
and I know I'm the most skeptical on this,
I still think the things that I've read
that the team has said
and that the beat writers have said
sure sounds like it. They think
they're going to put a pin in his finger. He's going to come to practice
today and he's going to play this week.
Eli Mitchell.
Let's take a look at the running back landscape
now, resetting the waiver wire. A lot of leagues do run
their waivers on Wednesday night.
You've got the Eli Mitchell
finger injury, but could certainly play.
You've got Damian Harris,
who is still in the concussion protocol,
but was listed as limited in practice on Tuesday.
Thursday game at Atlanta.
You got Cordaro Patterson,
who was listed as limited,
but it's very vague.
They didn't actually practice.
You got Baltimore waving Le'Veon Bell.
And you got the Deontay Foreman.
Nothing's changed in that situation.
But if you look at the 49ers, Patriots, Falcons, Ravens, and Tennessee Titans, pardon me, who
are facing the Texans, Dave, would you re-rank the waiver wire running backs now?
Give me those teams one more time.
Yeah.
All right.
So we're talking about Deontay Foreman, Ramondre Stevenson,
who's now up to, I think, 76% rostered.
It was 51 yesterday.
Right, and we know that Harris is practicing again.
Yeah, but still in the protocol.
Stevenson, Wilson, Gallman, Foreman, Latavius Murray.
All these men.
Yeah.
I think it really depends on how much you want to take a chance on
a guy that's going to get you 15 touches this week if harris isn't going to play stevenson
would clearly be the number one guy if mitchell wasn't going to play then with wilson would be
behind stevenson unless harris plays those would be the top two on my list, no matter what. Okay.
I think with,
it sounds like both Harrison Mitchell will play.
And if that's the case,
I'd rather have Stevenson.
So I guess I would settle on Stevenson one,
Wilson two Foreman who's left Foreman,
Gallman and Latavious.
It sounds like Latavious is coming back.
I would probably,
I there's a big gap between those first two.
Latavius would be three,
Foreman four,
Gallman five.
Okay.
So I found another league
where the Kyler Murray manager
is three and seven.
Only has one running back this week.
Doesn't have a tight end
and is currently starting Jimmy Garoppolo.
So I have offered Kirk Cousins,
Kenyon Drake,
and Dan Arnold
three starters for Kyler Murray
and Chase Edmonds.
Yeah, I love you calling Kenyon Drake
a starter. You want Chase Edmonds with
Kyler for that? It's a full trio.
He's a starting running back. Oh, Kenyon Drake?
Oh.
Yeah, look, this is what you should do. Be aggressive.
I like it. This is the i like it this is the podcast league
it is the podcast you don't need any more help i don't think anybody's saying yes to that trade
well i mean if you don't you got to make that trade or another trade or your season's over
it's possible this is how many watches do they have like the office where dwight's trying to sell
his car five four three four, three, two.
Make a decision.
All right, guys.
I got these more notes here.
Chargers defensive lineman Joey Bosa and Jerry Tillery are on the reserve COVID list.
Bosa reportedly not vaccinated.
So let's say he's probably not going.
They're both probably not going to play.
And they're two important pass rushers.
So I think that takes the shine off of the...
Does it take the shine off of the Chargers DST?
Because, you know, the Lions DST
was so good against Mason Rudolph.
They were okay, but their most talented defender
is not going to play.
And Tillery is a good component of that defense.
It absolutely makes it easier on the Steelers.
I know, I know.
But if you're if you
need a DST I don't know that anyone's bad against Mason Rudolph Mason Rudolph I know all right what
else we got Pittsburgh by the way planning for Mason Rudolph to start their game planning for
Rudolph to start but they're leaving the light on for Ben Roethlisberger Tampa Bay cornerback
Richard Sherman's gonna miss a few weeks with a calf injury. And Green Bay worked out Kerryon Johnson.
Okay, we're going to get to the Trust-O-Meter
in just a second.
There were two other schedules that I hate
that I wanted to talk about.
We already talked about Pittman and Hawkinson.
I want to get your thoughts on them.
Michael Carter.
So it really depends on how you view Miami
because they have been better lately.
They started off as a terrible run defense.
Someone on Twitter pointed out that they had a linebacker
that was out and now has come back
and has improved their run defense.
And I don't know...
Which team is this?
The Dolphins of Miami.
Right down the road from you.
But...
Not the Dolphins of Topeka.
Right, exactly.
So, Michael Carter has the dolphins,
Texans and Eagles in his next three games,
which at least two of them are great matchups.
But then beginning in week 14,
he has the saints and then the dolphins again in week 15.
And then Jacksonville has a really good run defense.
And then Tampa Bay in week 17 in the Fantasy Championship.
So that's Carter.
And then we can get into DJ Moore.
Heath, what do you make of Carter's schedule?
Does it scare you?
I mean, the only thing that scares me is that there's a quarterback change
and they don't throw to him as much.
Because then this schedule would matter.
As his role is currently defined, I'm not really sure how much it will matter
because I think he's going to catch five passes
and he's going to keep playing in garbage time.
And so I'm more worried about a role change
than I am a schedule problem for Michael Carter.
He was just good against the Bills.
Yeah, well, he was good because he scored.
But that's fine.
He's getting 15 carries,
then he's still going to be worth using.
But I think you should probably,
I think we should probably assume
that Zach Wilson's going to be back there
sooner rather than later.
Right?
Yes.
Could be this week.
It could be.
And we don't know if Zach Wilson
is going to be just banged over the head with,
throw it to your running backs, throw it to your running backs.
And it certainly was not his tendency when he was playing before.
So you can't guarantee that it's going to suddenly change.
In fact, you should probably assume that it's not going to change.
All right.
How about DJ Moore?
He's got Washington, which is great.
And then again, I mean, it does kind of matter.
It's actually, let's just focus on his playoff schedule, because that's what it is for DJ Moore. He's got Washington, which is great. And then again, I mean, it does kind of matter. It's actually, let's
just focus on his playoff schedule because that's what it is for
DJ Moore. It's at Buffalo
in week 15, Tampa
Bay in week 16, at New
Orleans in week 17. Now,
Buffalo, we know, very tough. Tampa Bay,
questionable. They're on
a great run. Five or six weeks of being
great against wide receivers. They have faced
mostly very bad pass
offenses and not great wide receivers.
And then New Orleans. New Orleans
gives up a lot of points to wide receivers, but you know
you have the Lattimore factor where they could
take away one guy. So
does this DJ Moore playoff schedule,
Buffalo, Tampa Bay, New Orleans,
does it scare you off if you were thinking
about buying low on DJ Moore?
I mean, what scares me off about buying low on DJ Moore? I mean,
what scares me off about buying low on DJ Moore is just BJ BJ DJ Moore's
track record in the red zone,
how he's just played overall.
The quarterback change is another issue that it's not a guarantee that it's
going to get better.
It might say the same from when he was with Sam Darnold over the last few
weeks. I'm I, this is somebody I might say the same from when he was with Sam Darnold over the last few weeks.
This is somebody I might hit
the eject button on
just in general
and just try and trade him
for whatever I can get.
Okay, that's an interesting take
because you could say...
If I can find somebody
who thinks they're buying low
on DJ Moore,
they might actually pay up
a little bit more
than someone who
wakes up in the morning
and doesn't even think about
trying to acquire DJ Moore.
DJ Moore or Michael Pittman?
Pittman. Yeah, I'm going to take Pittman,
but DJ Moore's really good
at football.
Yes, that is
true. I think I'd still go Moore over
Pittman.
So I would be
pretty actually interested in acquiring
DJ Moore if not for that playoff schedule because it does scare me,
especially the Buffalo game.
I mean, that could be week one.
You've got a guy who's getting 30 yards week one of your playoffs.
It's week 15.
It scares me.
And then if he sees Lattimore, I don't think he'll beat Lattimore.
But I don't know that he'd get shadowed by him.
I don't know. He's not the type of receiver that Lattimore, but I don't know that he'd get shadowed by him. I don't know.
He's not the type of receiver that Lattimore usually shuts down.
Yeah, that's right.
Right.
It's true.
Okay, with that said, it's time for the Trust-O-Meter.
Zero to ten.
We've got a lot of names here, guys,
and we also have to take a look at this Thursday night game. This is an interesting game.
Obviously, we need to know.
Yes, I think it is.
I think it is.
Because Pitts is really interesting going up against this defense.
You could make the case that some
wide receiver for the Falcons has
got to put up some type of numbers.
I mean, right.
It's like, who else is Kyle Pitts?
I guess.
Who else is he going to throw to,
though?
And then you've got the Patriots,
both of these teams, but the
Patriots in particular, so bad
against pass-catching running backs.
That makes Mike Davis pretty interesting.
You know, Mac
Jones. Anyway, sorry.
Get to that. Trust-o-meter.
Zero to ten. How much do you trust these guys going
forward? Matthew Stafford.
Seven.
I think he's
probably like a seven.
Yeah, seven seems fine.
I was thinking six.
Maybe I'd go six and a half on the trustometer.
Okay.
Russell Wilson.
The same, seven.
No, not for me.
I was disturbed by his inaccuracy in his first game back, and I'm concerned that maybe his miracle healing of his finger is just that he came back a little earlier than he should have.
And so this week in particular, I'm more like a four. As soon as I see him look like Russell Wilson again,
I'll be with Dave as a seven.
Well, when you see Russell Wilson look like Russell Wilson again,
wouldn't you be at like an eight or a nine?
Or a ten?
No, because I think there's concerns outside of Russell Wilson.
The fact that he's throwing 26 passes a game
gives him a very small margin for error.
He's throwing less than he has even in the past years
when we've said let Russ cook.
They went the opposite direction.
That's not because they're so run heavy, though.
It's because they're last in time of possession,
in my opinion.
Does that make me feel better?
I don't know.
Well, you could say offensive philosophy is one thing.
If you think the time of possession thing is fluky,
then you could see more passes.
And it's not as if they're not run heavy.
Are they run heavy?
I mean, I don't really feel like they are.
I think relative to league average,
they are still more run heavy than not.
What are they, like 55% pass rate?
I can look it up right this second.
And considering their record, I think that's pretty...
Yeah.
Okay.
On the year...
51.9.
51.9 is what you see?
Is what I see.
That's not situation neutral.
That's just pass rate.
That's just everything.
If you're throwing 52% of your plays
and you're winning one out of three games,
that is extremely run heavy in my opinion.
I see something completely different.
I see that they're 61.6 pass.
Well, can't we just look at their stats page
and do some math here?
And the thing is, they don't run that many plays.
So that's why, I guess that's why, even if they were
run heavy, they wouldn't feel run heavy
because they don't run plays.
They are running 55.7 plays per game.
Is that what you have, Dave?
I don't know if I even have plays per game.
And they're throwing 28.9
passes per game. That's how I do it. All right. Pl plays per game. And they're throwing 28.9 passes per game.
That's how I do it.
All right.
Plays per game.
This is boring.
No one wants to.
So boring.
55.7 is what I have.
So boring.
All right.
Are you including sacks in your math?
No.
No.
You need to.
No, I don't think so.
I have pass run sack
because some teams get sacked more than others,
and sacks are not good for fantasy.
I agree.
So if you add pass and sack, what do you get?
Then you would have the dropback rate,
which is probably around 61%.
You get sass.
All right, let's go to our next player here.
We have done Stafford and Wilson.
How about Jalen Hurts? Trust-o-meter.
Five. Seven.
Dave trusts.
Yeah, Dave. Wow. Very trusting today.
Dave, let me borrow your credit card.
I just need to check something.
Zero.
Just want to see if it has the same amount of numbers
as mine.
Yeah, Jalen Hurts is pretty interesting.
How many pass attempts does he need per game to be good?
23?
How many rush attempts does he need per game to be good?
Well, he's always going to get you the rushing totals.
Right, so that's part of the floor for him.
Can't count on him to make those deep throws to Devontae Smith every week,
but I think he's starting to come back along as a passer.
Will he stay that way all year long?
Look, I don't know if I can trust him to do that,
but the rushing will be there.
I think this offense is starting to find itself a little bit more.
In the first half last week, they were balanced pass and run 50% each way,
just like I said they'd be.
And there will probably be games down the line where they'll have to throw a little bit more.
They were in the first half, but for the game, it was like, what, 40-60, right?
They threw three passes in the second half.
It was even worse than that before the game.
But once you got in the, oh.
I'm just saying, like, he threw 23 passes.
That wasn't what we were hoping for last week.
He just happened to have a 10% touchdown.
No, in the second half, they didn't need to.
Three passes in the second half.
I was expecting it to be a more competitive game.
Their remaining schedule,
if you just look at the quarterbacks in fantasy,
Trevor Simeon, Daniel Jones,
whoever the Jets run out there,
Taylor Heineke, Daniel Jones, Taylor Heineke.
I don't know if they throw 25 passes a game
the rest of the way.
They are the Eagles, though.
Let's not act like they're some really good team now.
No, but they are a team that desires to be run heavy,
and they're facing zero offenses that are good.
Yeah.
Zero.
It's true.
All right, let's go to Aaron Rodgers.
Zero to 10 on Aaron Rodgers.
Eight. Eight.
Five.
Probably the same as Jalen Hurts.
Why so low?
I think we're using different trustometers.
Yeah.
It seems like we're not calibrated.
Mine is basic.
To be an eight,
I would have to think you're a top six quarterback.
Oh, wow.
But that's what a ten should be.
Yeah, seriously. If you're a must- quarterback. Oh, wow. But that's what a 10 should be. Yeah, seriously.
So what is...
If you're a must-start
fantasy quarterback,
what number do you get?
What would your 12 be?
A 7?
7, 8.
Yeah, 7.
7.
Nah, you could put some 6s in there.
In fact, full disclosure,
I thought about changing my number
on Hertz to 6
as soon as I said 7.
I put Rodgers at five because I view him just
about QB 12, and I think he'll probably be good about half the weeks and bad half the weeks.
I have more faith in him. My biggest concern about Rodgers is he's got
three home games in December, maybe ones in late. No, they're all in December.
And that could mess things
up although he scored like 40 he scored 32 points last year in that tennessee game which was
that crazy snow game but we've seen bad weather can throw people off but i just think roger i
think he is what he was from weeks two to seven when he was eighth per game in four point but
fifth per game in six point and i think Rodgers would have to have a different number,
depending on the format.
But he was basically in that stretch,
almost what he was in 2020.
Not quite as good,
because he's never going to do that again.
But I don't know.
I think he's awesome.
I don't care about the game he didn't play with Devontae Adams.
I don't care about week one.
You don't care about last week. I do care about last week. I do. I do. But it was care about the game. He didn't play with Devante Adams. I don't care about week one. You don't care about last week.
I do. I do. But
it's just a bad game, you know, and he threw for a lot
of yards in that game. He just didn't throw any touchdowns.
I think if you look at him
this year compared to him last year,
it's not that much
different except
the touchdown rate is
back to what's normal.
But I don't think his yards are that much different
than where he was last year.
It's just he had a 9% touchdown rate last year.
Now it's 6%.
He's lost a third of his touchdowns.
Aaron Rodgers last year,
without a third of his touchdowns,
is a borderline number one quarterback.
Has he turned into 2019 Aaron Rodgers?
No.
No, not at all.
He's right in the middle.
But in weeks two through seven,
he was on pace for 4,200 yards and 40 touchdowns.
And that's not nearly as good as last year,
but it's still really good.
And he's done that before many times.
He's been in the 39-40 touchdown range.
That's per 16 games.
And I don't know.
He was on fire in that stretch.
So I think this week will be pretty important
to see what we can expect down the stretch.
But I'm not looking
to upgrade if I have
Rodgers.
I mean, you can always
look to upgrade.
I don't need to.
I would love, love,
love.
And I only have this
in one league.
And I'm going to go
try to do it right now
to turn Aaron Rodgers
into Kyler Murray.
Yeah, that's fine.
Okay.
Let's go to
the running backs here. And we're going to have to go turbo now. Miles Sanders, 0's fine. Okay, let's go to the running backs here,
and we're going to have to go turbo now.
Miles Sanders, 0-10.
Five.
Five once he's off the IR.
Yeah.
Daryl Henderson.
Six.
Six or seven.
Josh Jacobs.
Five. Six. Six or seven. Josh Jacobs. Five.
Six.
Okay.
Michael Carter.
Six.
Five.
All right, so all of these guys are in the...
Well, where did you put Henderson?
Six.
Six or seven.
They're all in the low-end number two running back discussion.
Even Henderson?
I mean, Henderson we were talking about is much better than that.
He was much better than that when we were talking about him as much better than that.
I know, but that's the thing about this.
It's like, well, are we just going to react to what they've done lately?
Because what are the circumstances for Henderson?
Last game, they had the ball for 20 minutes, 21 minutes.
It got blown out.
They got blown out two games in a row.
If you have faith in the Rams, then you
should have more faith in Daryl Henderson.
I have him as
the top 20 running back.
Part of trust is
trusting somebody to be there
every week, too.
All right.
I just figured that Henderson
would be ahead of, noticeably
ahead of Sanders, Jacobs, and Carter,
but he's slightly ahead.
He was the highest number that we gave.
Slightly ahead.
All right.
Wide receivers.
Tyler Lockett.
Seven.
Yeah, I think this is a different question for rest of season
versus on a week-to-week basis.
I'm like a four on a week-to-week basis. I'm like a four on a
week-to-week basis, but around what Dave said, a seven
for the rest of the year. He'll be a top
20 wide receiver rest of the year.
All right. That's Tyler Lockett. DJ Moore.
Five.
Five.
Devontae Smith.
Six.
Five.
Adam Thielen.
Man, I want to say eight to Adam Thielen,
but he doesn't deserve it.
So let's go six.
Six.
Mike Evans.
Ten.
Ten.
Kind of doing the same guy two guys in a row uh six for sure on mike evans and i like
i know davante adams what is davante adams 10 okay all right so at least you can mike evans
and adam phelan over the last since the start of last year have been the same guy phelan's actually
been a little bit better
in PPR fantasy points per game.
They are hugely touchdown dependent
and they just continue to score touchdowns
at a rate higher than any player ever has.
And I just can't say that they are going to definitely do that
over the rest of the season because nobody's done it before.
Yes, they've done it for a year and a half now.
But Evans
has four or fewer targets in
three of his last four games.
At some point, he has Antonio Brown and Gronk
coming back.
I'm really worried that we're going to
get to Week 15 and he's going to have
two catches for 11 yards
and that'll be the game he doesn't score a touchdown
and go home.
You're done. And you know who week 15 is?
I don't.
New Orleans.
So I'm even more worried.
And you know who week 14 is?
Buffalo.
So, yes, Adam Thiel and Mike Evans get the same number from me.
Okay.
I got Mike Evans on a couple of teams.
I haven't debated sitting him yet this year.
Yeah, because you play in a bunch of
three-receiver PPR leagues with a friend.
No, I agree, but you know that
there could be some games when
Brown comes back where Evans is just
very quiet and doesn't score.
Jalen Waddell.
He's like a three
in non-PPR and a five in PPR.
Yeah, I think he's right for me in that DJ Moore, Devontae Smith and non PPR and a five and PPR. Yeah.
I think he's right for me in that DJ more Devante Smith range and PPR.
Okay.
How about tight ends here?
Kyle pits this week.
He's like a six overall.
I'd say he's a seven.
I'm going to give him a nine.
Yeah.
He just,
how do you get away?
Dave is not happy with this number.
It's the highest number i've
given you i just yeah i know the tight end you know exactly if he played wide receiver the number
would be different which tells you that maybe starting three wide receivers versus one tight
end is not as bad as adam thinks it is 10 on that what's that come Come on. Dallas Goddard.
If Kyle Pitts would have a lower number as a wide receiver than a tight end,
then starting three wide receivers
is not diluting the position too much.
I don't agree with that.
Because you can still,
in the format that I want,
you can still start three,
you can start four wide receivers.
I would just like the option
to start a running back
or a tight end, if I so choose, over that third must, that third, you could start four wide receivers. I would just like the option to start a running back or a tight end
if I so choose over that third
must, that third, you know,
roster spot. You know what's funny? I flexed
Dan Arnold in three different leagues this
week where we start three wide receivers
and flex. So
yeah, we have that option
now. I don't, I like
your solution, Adam. I do.
I was, I thought you were going to go in a different direction with where you were going.
And when you said two flexes, I thought that was cool.
Yeah, thank you, Dave.
Appreciate it.
I'm giving you a 10.
Dallas Goddard, 0-10, trust-o-meter.
Once he's healthy, somewhere between 6 and 7.
4.
I love his schedule.
Giants, Jets, bye, unfortunately. Washington, Giants, Washington. No bad matchups there. six and seven four i love his schedule giants jets bye unfortunately washington giants washington
no bad matchups there what where would you guys guess on a per game basis dallas goddard ranks
at tight end 14 probably somewhere around 10th or 12th i think it's 18th or 12th? I think it's 18th or 19th.
And his fantasy points per game has... Let's not count last week
because he got hurt and left the game early.
His fantasy points per game without Zacherts
has been the same as with Zacherts.
10.1.
That I've noticed.
That's a little frustrating.
And that's come in line with the Eagles
finding their run game.
Yeah.
But his target share is encouraging, you know?
Oh yeah. If they ever threw more passes, that would be great.
They'll throw more than 15. I know I keep making this reference, but it just feels like
the Ravens of last year. It feels like Marquise Brown and Mark Andrews or Devante Smith and Dallas
Goddard, and they're going to throw 20 to 25 times a game.
I agree with that, except for two problems.
I don't think Jalen Hurts is as good as Lamar Jackson,
and I don't think Dallas Goddard is as good as Mark Andrews.
Yeah.
Finally, Heath, we are on the same page.
All right.
Okay, New England at Atlanta.
Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. New England at Atlanta. Let's get...
Nah.
New England allows the second fewest points per game in the NFL
behind only Buffalo.
And I'm pretty sure the Falcons allowed the second most points per game
in the NFL.
So there's that.
Stat of the game number one.
Mack Jones has thrown 20 passes inside the 10-yard line.
11 of them have gone to tight ends.
And is Johnny Smith going to play in this game, by the way?
Do we know?
Don't know.
And honestly, for fantasy purposes, I do not care.
Well, would you guys start Hunter Henry or Kyle Pitts?
I'd start Pitts, but I don't really feel great about either one
getting more than eight or
nine PPR points.
Would you start Mac Jones or Matt Ryan?
I think I started the week with Mac ahead of Ryan.
I might've switched that.
I don't really want to start either one.
No,
they're two QB only.
Um,
neither one of my top 18.
I don't think I don't know. have ryan two spots ahead of mac jones
yeah same so yeah i think people might be a little higher on mac jones against the team
that gives up the second most fantasy points the quarterbacks how come you guys are resisting that
because i think they're going to be able to run quite a bit on the Atlanta Falcons.
Well, yeah.
And like how many good fantasy games has Mac Jones had this year?
Two games is more than 21 fantasy points.
I think three or four with 21 or more.
20 or more.
So I think let's see.
Fantasy points.
Whatever.
You heard what I said.
Two games is more than 21 fantasy points.
Yeah, look, they're going to run the ball.
They're going to run the ball a lot and probably successfully.
The Falcons, actually, they're kind of like the Jaguars,
that they're not that bad per carry.
Unlike the Jaguars, they're giving up a ton of touchdowns,
a ton of fantasy points, and they see the fourth most rushing touchdowns per game
and a lot of attempts, I don't know,
but also the eighth most receiving yards per game,
the running back.
So, all right, listen.
Let me just get to the running backs later.
Let's finish this off here.
Any wide receivers that you have confidence in in this game?
Kyle Pitts.
No. Jacoby Myers is my favorite confidence in in this game? Kyle Pitts. No.
Jacoby Myers is my favorite wide receiver in the game, and he's not in my
top 30.
Not a great deal of confidence.
Correct.
Would you take a flyer on
Russell Gage or Zaccheaus or
anyone like that, given the fact that we're expecting
Patterson to miss the game?
I would rather start Marcus Johnson.
Same.
Okay.
All right.
But who's Matt Ryan going to throw to?
He's going to throw to Pitts, and New England's probably going to do a good job against him.
He's going to throw to McCourty and J.C. Jackson.
I think he will throw to J.C. Jackson at least once.
He's probably going to throw to Mike Davis at least six times.
Kyle Pitts will get six. So they've got 14 of his targets there where are the other 20
I'm not sure about the ball that much running backs and all right then Kyle Pitts I think
Jamie does have pits pretty low and you guys have him more like sixth.
Which tight ends are you starting over Pitts?
All the studs, Pat Fryermuth.
I'm going to have to make a decision on Hawkinson and Gasicki
versus Kyle Pitts.
Yeah, it's just Kelsey Kittle, Andrews, Waller for me,
and I had to move Andrews and Waller ahead
because projections-wise, it was just Kelsey Kittle.
How are you going to start Friar Muth over him
if Mason Rudolph's starting?
And you won't even know that by Thursday.
Because, well, then it can only go up from there
if it's going to be Mason Rudolph starting.
He's still got a lot of targets from Rudolph last week.
The biggest mistake that Friar Muth made,
Rudolph had nothing to do with.
It's just a matter of him just getting some more opportunities near the
goal line, which we've seen before. And that's an easy fix for the Steelers.
But I mean... I don't think it's an easy fix because
it requires them getting near the goal line with Mason Rudolph.
Yeah, but they're playing the Chargers without the Chargers' best defensive player
in another defensive line.gers best defensive player in overtime
they scored what 10 points or something
did they get into the red zone once
or twice against the Lions
the Steelers yeah
at least once
I don't know I don't
have that number in my head that's my problem
with Fryer he's not he's probably going to be 40
yards and four or five
catches which is okay,
but I don't like his touchdown chances very good with
Mason Rudolph at quarterback. And we like
Kyle Pitts' touchdown chances against
the Patriots? Well, Kyle Pitts, if he
catches three passes, has probably got 50 yards.
Yeah, sure.
Okay, they scored
16 points, not 10,
the Steelers last week. So New England gives
up the second fewest points to tight ends.
Who have they played?
They held Gasicki catchless in week one.
Dalton Schultz had five for 79.
And they haven't really faced good ones.
They've given up.
This stat is meaningless when it comes to Kyle Pitts.
Okay.
Completely meaningless.
He's not a tight end.
You keep saying that, but he lines up.
He's not like an X receiver. He lines up as a tight end. He's pass blocked 10 times all lines up. He's not like an X receiver. 30% of the time he lines up as a tight end.
He's pass blocked 10 times.
It doesn't matter if he pass blocks. I'm talking about who's
going to cover him.
They're going to cover him like he's a wide receiver.
Just like everybody else does.
I would guess J.C. Jackson's a wide receiver.
Okay, fine.
But they probably covered Mike Kosicki
that way, too, would be my guess.
Probably a good call.
You get a sneak preview of what that'll be like.
How many catches does Kosicki have in week one again?
Zero on three targets.
Oh, okay.
Okay, how about the running backs?
Never fired me.
Heath, break down the Patriots running backs.
Oh, yeah.
Yep, got it.
Well, if there's no Damian Harris,
then Ramond Ray Stevenson is a top 12 running back.
If Damian Harris plays,
then you can have zero confidence
in anything for any of the running backs.
We don't even know for sure that Brandon Bolden
will be the pass-catching guy
because it might be Harris early downs,
Stevenson passing downs, no Bolden.
It might be Stevenson early downs no Bolden it might be
Stevenson early downs Bolden passing downs no Harris it might be Harris rushing downs Bolden
passing downs no Stevenson so if Harris plays you're just looking at these guys as flexes who
do have really big upside in this matchup Harrisris and stevenson not there's not a
lot of upside for bolden um but i would not have a patriots running back honestly in full ppr if
harris is active i'm probably starting mike davis over any of the patriots running backs
that makes me kind of sick it's gross i don't like it do you agree you don't say you should
put damian harris ahead of of Mike Davis at the very least,
which is what I would do.
If Harris plays, I think he's going to be a number two fantasy running back.
Week five, week six, not only did they both play,
they both played roughly 30.
One game it was 35% of the snaps.
The other game Harris played half the snaps.
And Harris scored in each.
Harris has scored in five straight
games. I don't see how you can get away from him.
Short week matchup. He didn't play last week. He's going to have fresh
legs. I think there's a chance if Harris plays, he gets to 100
yards and a touchdown. Ramondre is the one that I would be
nervous about. He would be no better than a middling
flex if Harris plays.
Mike Davis is going to be your favorite Falcons running back?
Yes.
But it's like asking me what my favorite vegetable is.
I don't know.
There's a really good opportunity for receiving totals here.
Really good opportunity.
I think in full PPR, there's a pretty big gap for me
between Davis and Goldman.
I don't really...
In non-PPRr it's really close and
they're both gross do you think that they're going to use mike davis like they've used
cordero patterson no not entirely but kind of well they're not going to use him as a wide receiver i
think they're going to use mike davis like they've used mike davis and they're going to find somebody
else to fill in patterson's role. Probably not a running back.
Well,
no,
I,
I want to clarify Cordero.
Patterson has received some targets out of the backfield as well.
Like he's not only been thrown to as a wide receiver.
So I think the targets out of the backfield that Patterson has received
Davis will get.
And that's one area where the Patriots defense has struggled is guarding
running backs,
catching passes out of the backfield.
I don't think they're going to line Mike Davis up as a wide receiver like they did Patterson.
I agree with that.
Not that much.
No.
Yeah.
So in their last seven games, the Patriots have allowed 46 or more receiving yards to eight running backs.
That's mind blowing.
That's more running backs than games.
It is.
And 46, that's a lot of yards so they are
really bad at that and probably you know could be by design just they're good at pretty much
everything else defensively so all right would you guys would you start a running back in this
game over saquon barkley at the bucks no oh well not so bad stevenson, if Harris is out, then you'd start Stevenson, I assume, right?
For sure.
Over Barkley.
Let's say hypothetically tomorrow the report is the same as I think it was last week.
He's working out on the side, Saquon Barkley, making progress.
It gets tough to start to sit anybody over him on Thursday night.
Okay.
All right.
I think we've covered this.
And Hunter Henry?
Do you want to try and get seven fantasy points from your tight end?
Start Hunter Henry, but he also might give you four.
Um, low ceiling tight end starter.
Yeah.
Much rather start Arnold.
Much rather start Conklin.
I would prefer Earth's actually this week, but Henry's right there after that group.
I'd start Henry over Evan Ingram,
who I think was my second favorite streamer.
Dave, I think that pretty much...
Oh, Patriots, DSC, start them.
Dave, I think we're done.
Na, na, na, na, na, na.
Yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
So I wanted to do Fantasy Cops.
Let's fire through emails and Apple Podcasts
and we'll do fantasy cops at the
very end.
Chris,
uh,
non PPR grade,
the trade,
give up Hopkins and Melvin Gordon.
Get back.
Nick Chubb.
Chubb side wins.
Okay.
Giving up Chubb.
No,
he's giving up Hopkins and Melvin Gordon for Chubb and non PPR.
Perfect trade to make.
If you're, if you're one of those teams that's heading toward the playoffs you're consolidating you're uh getting fewer lineup decisions in the future all right b would be
even better if you got kareem hunter dearness johnson on your bench okay great b from jason
i have barkley gibson montgomery michael Montgomery, Michael Carter, Darrell Williams at running back.
All right, that's not bad.
Wide receiver, blah, blah, blah.
I was offered Justin Jefferson for Carter and McLaurin.
So you give up McLaurin, you get Justin Jefferson.
You also give up Michael Carter, still leaving him with Barkley, Gibson,
Montgomery, and Darrell Williams.
Half PPR.
Do it.
Do it.
Do it.
Yes.
Jefferson side wins. Do it. Do it. Do it. Yes. Jefferson side wins.
From Malcolm, 7-3, getting
ready for the playoffs. Need an
RB2. Should I trade
DK Metcalf for Daryl Henderson?
That would leave me with Lamb,
Chase, and Devante Smith at
wide receiver.
It feels like the timing's off
on making that deal.
I would
actually see if you can get something with Henderson
back. I would try to
get just a little bit better
running back.
Okay. Try to get Montgomery.
Kyle from a city
north of Kansas City and south of Minneapolis.
Des Moines. Sure. I swear to God, and south of Minneapolis. Des Moines.
Sure.
Oh, I swear to God I was about to say Des Moines.
It's the only city in between those two.
Oh.
I had no idea.
At three and seven,
I was three and seven trying to make the playoffs.
I sent McCaffrey and Judy.
I got Jamar Chase and Michael Pittman.
Grade the trade.
Boo!
That's an F.
And also, I want to apologize to the good people
of Omaha.
Now, I've been there. I've actually been to Des Moines, too.
Alright, dynasty trade
for Michael.
I give Dalvin Cook
a late second round
pick and a third round pick. Both in 2022. I give up Dalvin Cook a late second round pick and a third round pick.
All ball of both in 2022.
I give up Dalvin Cook a late second and a third.
I get Michael Pittman, Trevor Lawrence, one QB league,
a first round in 22 and a first rounder in 23.
So I think Pittman and a first for dalvin cook um
if you're going nowhere i like the trade that's not too far off at all yeah i
i think that's a that's a b maybe a b plus apple podcast questions from cool two dollars
what value do i get with these players?
If I'm looking to trade for a true wide receiver to Boston,
Scott Bateman,
Pollard,
Friar,
Muth,
Sony,
Michelle,
they're all going to be cheap players.
If you're trying to trade two of them for one wide receiver to,
I,
maybe you could try and convince somebody to give you Hunter Renfro.
Maybe Judy?
Go try to find a team that doesn't have a tight end,
which there's probably two or three of them,
and see if they think that Friar moves their answer
the rest of the season.
And then throw on whatever else they want
and see if you can get maybe even a Tyler Lockett
or a Devontae Smith type.
From Grant, 10-team PPR league,
grade the trade, give Nick Chubb and Kelsey,
get Najee Harris
and Pitts.
It's full PPR.
Chubb and Kelsey for Harris and Pitts.
C-.
I think the Chubb-Kelsey
side wins pretty handily.
From Josh in the Tar Heel State.
Where's that, Dave?
North Carolina.
Good job.
Grade the trade.
10-team half PPR.
Give up Fryermuth and Higgins.
Fryermuth and T. Higgins get Odell Beckham and Eli Mitchell.
And he still has Kelsey, so he doesn't need Fryermuth.
I like it.
I like it, but I like Eli Mitchell quite a bit. He's the best player
in that deal, right? Yeah.
I think so. A-.
Okay, guys. You want to stay a little overtime and do
Fantasy Cops? Oh, yeah.
Only if you play the music. Oh, come on,
Dave. I would never
not play the music.
Regulate!
Okay, first Fantasy Cops comes from Sleepless in Seattle.
I am in a 14-team PPR Superflex League Tuesday night just before 8 p.m.
I traded away Terry McLaurin, Tarod Taylor, and Chris Carson,
and I got Devante Adams.
I made this three-for-one trade specifically on Tuesday night
as the waivers run Wednesday morning at 6 a.m.
This way, I could go get Deontay Foreman, et cetera,
to fill out my roster.
So he had two extra spots.
Here's the twist.
The league commissioner texts me at about 8.30 p.m.,
congratulating me on the fleece of a trade I pulled off.
I thanked him and then I asked him when the trade would be processed, to which he replied,
tomorrow because I am in bed and can't do it from my phone.
Apparently, you can't approve or process trades from the app on the other website that I will not say. Either way, I followed with,
can you please process tonight
so I can add guys on waivers tomorrow morning?
Then I got crickets.
You will never guess who I am playing this week
in a matchup.
We both need to win to keep our playoff hopes alive.
Yep, that's right, the commish.
He is a good friend and a great guy,
but fellas, help me out here.
Was I asking too much or
should it have been put through probably not a whole lot i can do at this point
why why do league commissioners insist on approving a trade why not just let a trade go through
what why have this extra piece of red tape? No, I don't agree with that.
Dave's 100% right.
Yeah, he's 50% right.
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
If a commissioner makes the decision
that he's got to be the one
to approve and checkmark every single trade,
then he needs to actually do it in a very timely manner.
The commission's in the wrong here.
I agree with Dave at the start The commish is in the wrong here. I agree with
Dave at the start that
the commish is in the wrong
for having to approve trades.
100%. But
this is an unpaid volunteer
position, and if you should not be
required to get out of bed
to approve someone else's trade.
It's 8.30 p.m.
What the hell? This guy might live in California
and the other guy might live in New York.
I don't get that sense.
And I don't, like, 8.30 p.m., who knows?
He lives in Seattle.
He might have to wake up at 5 a.m.
He lives in Seattle.
His name is Sleepless in Seattle.
Yes.
So what if the commissioner lives on the East Coast?
So it was 11.30 p.m.
Get out of bed.
Get the hell out of bed.
You're awake.
You're awake.
Get out of bed. No, that's so bed. You're awake. You're awake. Get out of bed.
No,
that's so weak.
Are you kidding me? What's weak is having it to want to be such a proof traits.
That's you've got to be Mr.
Commissioner enforcer.
And you've got to make sure that every single trade is fair before you let
it out in the league.
Yeah.
Well,
you've got to make yourself available.
Get out of bed.
And if you don't like that,
then get rid of that piece of red tape.
You knucklehead.
All right. Next out of bed. And if you don't like that, then get rid of that piece of red tape, you knucklehead. Alright, next one
from
Joe.
He needs to walk it back. He needs to allow...
He needs to make a switch. He can't.
It's too late now.
No, he absolutely should.
Rewind waivers for the whole league?
Yes. No.
The players that this guy wanted, he should have been
able to get the players he wanted. He probably saved you from using Deontay Freeman anyway.
And spending your VAT.
All right.
But Sleepless got screwed.
There we go.
Joe, halfway between St. Louis and Kansas City.
Des Moines, Iowa.
That would either be Columbia or maybe Jeff City.
I'm going to go Omaha.
He says, buckle up.
I'm in an eight-team, two running back,
two wide receivers, super flex league
with the worst commissioner I've ever played with.
I've argued with him a couple of times about this league.
It only takes three votes to veto a trade.
Our championship is played in week 18,
and we only start two wide receivers for some reason.
Adam's the commissioner.
Yeah, yeah. I played against
my commissioner's roommate in week 10.
Just before the
games kicked... The funny thing is,
I'm just going to tell you right now, spoiler
alert, Joe, who wrote this email, is
so wrong. I played against
my commissioner's roommate in week 10. Just before
the games kicked off on Sunday, I added Nick
Folk, but in my rush to set all
my leagues, I forgot to actually
put him in my lineup. Once I noticed
this, I contacted my commissioner and
asked him to put him in for me. He
told me to...
He told me no.
What exactly did he tell him? I don't
think I can read that. I ended up losing
my three points.
Is the second word off?
No.
The second word is it.
Okay.
Degeneration X is his commissioner.
Yeah.
Okay.
I ended up losing by three points.
I felt like I deserved to win the game
because kickers don't matter anyway.
Needless to say, I'm a little fed up with this league.
I want to quit out of spite and principle,
but I'm eight and two,
and I have McCaffrey and Barkley.
What do I do?
Dude, I'm sorry, Joe.
Your commissioner might be bad.
You said your lineup, you idiot moron.
You're wrong here.
Yeah, the only gray area I see here
is if he messaged him between 11.55 and noon.
Central. Central.
Central.
Well, yeah, they're in Missouri.
Yeah.
If he messaged him between the time where Folk had locked
and the time when the game had started,
then the commissioner should have done it,
even if the commissioner didn't see it
until an hour later.
Yeah, I agree.
The intention was expressed.
Yeah, yeah.
I'm fine with that.
Do you think it's at the commissioner's discretion to do that though?
Like a commissioner could say,
okay,
yeah,
you're,
you're fine.
But the commissioner could also say,
sorry,
rules are rules.
No,
because he was playing the commissioner's roommate.
And so if he has that discretion to do that for people that he likes and not do it for people he doesn't like
but we don't know if that's the case
that's why you should take discretion out of it
if you ever are the commissioner
I'm sorry if you ever are the commissioner and you do something like this
you need to alert the entire
league and set a precedent
right and so everybody needs to know
that you did it and then you have to continue to do it
every time and all Heath is saying is
there's a five minute window in between lineups, locking in the game, starting.
If you notice a mistake in your lineup, what I would do is I would send a note to the entire
league personally. I wouldn't just text the commissioner, but we're okay with the commissioner
editing a lineup. If it is announced, you know, in that five minute window that you want to make
a change. All right, guys, thank you so much for hanging out for this long and doing some fantasy
cops.
Great show today.
And,
uh,
happy,
have a wonderful Wednesday,
everybody.
Here we go.
I know.
Double up.
All right.
I'm just going to go read the dictionary out loud now.
Uh,
we'll talk to you tomorrow.
We'd start our day.