Fantasy Football Today - Tyrod, Foles, Rankings Risers and Listener Free Agency Thoughts (03/19 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: March 19, 2020

If Tyrod Taylor is indeed the Chargers QB in 2020, what does that do to Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, Austin Ekeler and Hunter Henry? And if Nick Foles is in fact the Bears QB in 2020 (14:00), what doe...s that mean for everyone on JAC and CHI? And we've got more news and notes from around the NFL (19:40) ... Which players are on the rise (29:15)? We look at who Dave, Jamey and Heath have moved up in their rankings with Kenyan Drake being a headliner. Where will Tom Brady settle in the rankings? And we have a rankings discrepancy with Hayden Hurst (39:00). And is Adam Thielen too low? ... Reading your questions and comments from our Fantasy Football Today Facebook group (46:00). Some of the under the radar storylines of free agency are brought up ... Email us at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com and tweet us with #AskFFT 'Fantasy Football Today' is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Castbox, Bullhorn and wherever else you listen to podcasts. Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @YardsPerGretch, @BenSchragg Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCviK78rIWXhZdFzJ1Woi7Fg/videos Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is Fantasy Football Today from CBS Sports. Here we go! Email us at fantasyfootballatcbsi.com. Here we go! It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Let's go! Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. Well, a fairly quiet day in free agency on Wednesday, at least compared to Monday and Tuesday.
Starting point is 00:00:24 But we did get some quarterback news for the Chargers, some quarterback news for the Jaguars and the Bears. Oh, we get to talk about Gardner Minshew today. So, Heath, you must be in a great mood. Fantastic mood. I'm happy we're going to unleash the full Minshew for a full season in 2020, and I can't wait until fantasy managers get to benefit from the results. What about when they signed Jameis Winston this week? I was a little bit afraid
Starting point is 00:00:50 when I was putting together the history of Jay Gruden quarterbacks and remembered that the year that Andy Dalton finished as the number three quarterback in fantasy was when Gruden was his offensive coordinator. I was a little afraid they traded Nick Foles away, and they're going to turn around and send that fourth-round pick for Andy Dalton.
Starting point is 00:01:05 They might. It got upgraded over Minshew. Actually, Minshew, you look at his 12 starts, you give him 16 games of that. More yards than Kyler Murray, more passing touchdowns than Kyler Murray, fewer interceptions than Kyler Murray. Pretty damn good year for Gardner Minshew.
Starting point is 00:01:21 You heard from Jamie, you heard from Heath. Dave is here as well. What's up, Dave? Good day to you, sir. Good day. Yeah, you sound very good. I know Heath is actually a little crabby. Maybe the whole situation is getting to everybody. But I think I know why you're crabby, Heath.
Starting point is 00:01:39 You and I share a crabbiness, right? Like, what's the deal? We're going to be home for the next... No, no, no. Don't do that. We're all going to be home, ignoring that. We're all going to be home for the next six months or whatever. Why can't they just move
Starting point is 00:01:58 the release date of Ozark Season 3 up? We really have to wait. We have nothing to do. Bring it up, Heath. Release the freaking series already. Yeah, I'm... It's kind of nice to have something to look forward to. Alright. That's a good... You know what?
Starting point is 00:02:14 I like that. Good outlook. Good outlook. Well, I'm not looking forward to what Tyrod Taylor is going to do to the Chargers passing game. Let's talk about that. Let's talk about Jacksonville and Chicago. Maybe a little Todd Gurley. Let's talk about that. Let's talk about Jacksonville and Chicago. Maybe a little Todd Gurley, the trade rumors there. The Eagles signed Darius Slay or traded for Darius Slay.
Starting point is 00:02:32 And the Giants signed James Bradbury. So, hey, Amari Cooper's got some tougher matchups in the division this year. We'll also talk about the biggest rankings movers up and down for Jamie, Dave, and Heath and great questions on Facebook about players that we haven't talked about, about topics that we haven't brought up regarding free agency. I'm going to read some of those. Jamie,
Starting point is 00:02:55 what's your reaction to, I guess, conflicting reports about the Chargers, Ian Rappaport saying they are not expected to sign or trade for a veteran quarterback. Mike Florio of pro football talk saying they were debating pursuing Cam Newton. But anyway, your read on that situation. I would imagine when Cam is cut and if they could convince him to sign something cheap,
Starting point is 00:03:16 they may explore it. But they're spending money on a lot of different players on both sides of the ball as if they're going very cheap at the quarterback position meaning a rookie in Tyrod Taylor so if you go that route it's going to be a little bit frustrating to look at the Chargers now until we know who their quarterback of the future is because it's probably going to be a similar situation for Tyrod like when he was in Cleveland and they drafted Baker Mayfield they are almost certainly going to come out of the, the,
Starting point is 00:03:48 their first round pick, whether they move up, whether they stay at the same spot, uh, with one of two, uh, love or Herbert. Uh,
Starting point is 00:03:56 I believe everything you're hearing is, is kind of there. They're in the Herbert camp. So if that's the guy, then it's, does Tyrod even start a game, you know? So it's, uh, it's going to be fun for someone like Heath who does projections
Starting point is 00:04:07 and obviously for us that when we rank these guys before the NFL draft to know how to view sort of fully Keenan Allen and Hunter Hennin. So what are you doing right now in terms of your rankings, guys? Are you ranking them as if it's Tyrod Taylor at the moment for the season? I think that there's a chance, very small chance, I guess, that whatever rookie they draft turns out to have like a Baker Mayfield type rookie year. But more likely than not, a rookie that they draft is not going to be as good as Phillip Rivers was last year. And is probably not too different than Tyrod Taylor in terms of efficiency. So I'm ranking it right, projecting it as if Tyrod Taylor is going to be the quarterback.
Starting point is 00:04:48 There would be some changes if they got someone that wasn't very mobile. Because right now, one of the things with Taylor is some of their designed pass attempts are going to turn into rush attempts with a mobile quarterback like Taylor. And that may not be true depending on the quarterback that they draft. But right now I'm projecting with Taylor. And, you know, you look at what he did in Buffalo in terms of distribution of the football. It wasn't that much different than what the Chargers did last year.
Starting point is 00:05:16 They were in the bottom half of the league in terms of what percentage of their targets went to wide receivers. Taylor, in his three years in Buffalo, actually threw to wide receivers more than Rivers did in 2019. The major difference was he didn't throw to running backs quite as much as Rivers did last year because no one threw to running backs as much as Rivers did last year. Hold on. Follow up, though. You said Taylor threw to wide receivers more than Rivers did last year.
Starting point is 00:05:38 Is that a total percent? Okay. Right. Obviously, Rivers is going to throw more passes than Tyrod Taylor. That's true, for sure. It's interesting, though. If their offensive philosophy is to be 60-40 pass, we think that they're just going to change that to 45-55 like Buffalo was because of Tyrod Taylor. If that was the case, I would assume they'd be going after one of these veteran quarterbacks.
Starting point is 00:06:06 I think that Tyrod Taylor, if he plays 16 games, is going to set a career high for pass attempts this year. The only way he's playing 16 games is if it's Tua. And Tua has to rehab, but it doesn't even look like... And Tua doesn't play. And they're not going to trade up for Tua if that's going to be the case. Oh, they might. They might not have to. Why not? No, if you know that Tua is not going to trade up for Tua if that's going to be the case. Oh, they might. They might not have to.
Starting point is 00:06:25 Why not? No, if you know that Tua is not going to be ready to start the season, why would you give up so much for him when he's already damaged good? You think that he is the face of the Los Angeles franchise, and you know you can get him, you go get him. Okay, so the face of the Los Angeles franchise is already not at 100%, and no guarantee he'll be the face five years down the line? Well, no, you're saying 100% like he's never going to play, or 100% and no guarantee he'll be the face five years down the line. Well, no, you're saying
Starting point is 00:06:45 100% like he's never going to play or 100% like he's never he's got to be ready to go if they're going to trade up to number three. No, you don't know about that. Why? I mean, I think so. When's the last time somebody traded up for any player who wasn't 100% in the top five?
Starting point is 00:07:02 When's the last time any player that was dealing with an injury that was top five caliber? I think if he's not 100% he's top five. When was the last time any player that was dealing with an injury that was top five caliber? I think if he's not 100%, he's top five caliber. He may just not go in the top five. He's passed all the medical bills, so everything you're hearing is he's ready to go. He may not play
Starting point is 00:07:16 for his rookie season. Look at Jalen Smith. What did the Cowboys do? They took him in the second round, I think. And he was going to be... He was potentially a top five, top ten pick, if not for the injury. But he doesn't play quarterback. But I think you look at...
Starting point is 00:07:32 Okay, the Cowboys obviously had to wait it out a little bit. Now they've got a really good player. Tua obviously could be a much more impactful player than that. So I don't have a problem... Personally, I wouldn't have a problem saying, all right, we drafted this quarterback. He needs time to recover. We don't expect much from him this year.
Starting point is 00:07:46 Let's just let him go, and we'll go with him in year two. Let's just let him sit year one. In year two, he's fine as long as your medicals are saying that he's going to be 100% by 2021 or at some point late in 2020. I don't think that's a problem. Not if he falls into your lap in the draft. And I don't know if they're going to be able to confidently say we're going to get to a Tygo Vailoa when they've got the Dolphins
Starting point is 00:08:13 spanking ahead of them in round one. No, they have to move up. They're moving up to two or three. So three, for sure. All right, so let's talk about the Chargers fantasy 2020, Dave. What do you think right now about Keenan Allen? I mean, one thing about Tyrod Taylor, if he is the quarterback, it's really hard to see all these guys doing well.
Starting point is 00:08:31 I mean, maybe Keenan Allen. Keenan Allen has been a very good fantasy receiver three years in a row, and he's caught six touchdowns in each of those three seasons. So at least you're not looking at like, oh, he was so reliant on touchdowns. But, you know, you figure the yards could come down. He's not going to have 100 catches, I wouldn't think. But I just, how could Mike Williams also be good? How could Hunter Henry also be good? This is
Starting point is 00:08:55 obviously a downgrade in terms of total passing production. 100%. You have to feel like you're drafting them at a discount compared to years past. All three of them. I am good with Henry being what he was last year. Taylor actually targeted tight ends more than the Chargers did last year when he was in Buffalo. I don't think he may not target Henry more than Henry was targeted last year, but I don't think Henry's targets will probably decrease.
Starting point is 00:09:22 I'm really pretty okay with Eckler. I think you can just view Keenan allen as a number two wide receiver yeah and then but he's so good where were we drafting keenan allen last year you remember borderline top 12 yeah i and i think it's probably mid-teens now i see i'm gonna let you take them and i'm out on mike williams i i don't mind taking mike williams as long as it comes at a really nice part of the draft. Which is what? It's going to be somewhere around late round seven, round eight. And I'm thinking that someone else will take him before then. And Eckler obviously is an exception because it looks like he's going to be the top running back there.
Starting point is 00:10:02 Keenan Allen, I'm going to let somebody take Keenan Allen in round two. There's nobody taking Keenan Allen in round two. When I said teens, I meant teens amongst wide receivers. Oh, I thought you meant, yes. I've got him as a mid-to-late round three pick right now, and I think I'm okay with that for Keenan Allen. I would take Eckler ahead of Keenan Allen. You know, it's funny.
Starting point is 00:10:22 I was looking at the draft, I was looking at the draft we did last week, the pre free agency. This group of wide receivers all affected DJ Chark. This is round six, three receiver league PPR DJ
Starting point is 00:10:38 Chark, T.Y. Hilton, Mike Williams, and then John Brown. First pick of round seven. So two big losers there one big winner probably dj charke uh unaffected i guess ty hilton big winner mike williams john brown big loser is that fair to say yeah yes um i'd go hilton get charke gap john brown gap mike williams So Hilton, Chark, Gap, John Brown, Gap, Mike Williams. And then where's Keenan Allen?
Starting point is 00:11:08 I think I asked this maybe yesterday, but Keenan Allen or T.Y. Hilton. Let's do it again. Keenan Allen or T.Y. Hilton? I have Allen ahead of Hilton. I still have Allen ahead of him. What did you say, Jamie? Yeah, still Allen for me. Is it a big gap?
Starting point is 00:11:22 No. It's bigger in PPR than it is non-PPR. Right. And Keenan Allen went ahead of Adam Thielen in the draft we did last week. That will not happen. Nope. Will not happen.
Starting point is 00:11:34 Keenan Allen went. Did he go behind Stefan Diggs? Where did Stefan Diggs go? Diggs went. Oh, no. Diggs went with first pick of round five. Oh, that was interesting. All right, so Hunter Henry.
Starting point is 00:11:48 Does anybody share Heath's sentiment? Hunter Henry, we're kind of good with him? Same sort of outlook? Yep. Okay, cool. And then what about Eckler? We still think he's going to catch all those passes. Tyrod Taylor, Heath, you've brought it up.
Starting point is 00:12:02 He throws the ball a lot to LeSean McCoy. However, he is a mobile quarterback, and they don't throw to running backs as much as the Philip Rivers of the world. Yeah, as of right now, my expectation is that the target share for running backs go down, but Eckler's share of the total running backs' targets goes up just enough to almost cover that. Maybe he gets five or ten fewer targets than he did last year he's going to get more carries total than he did
Starting point is 00:12:29 last year he's still a borderline first round pick for me in ppr and finally any reason to draft tyra taylor who puts up some pretty big rushing totals and actually in like two of his three seasons as buffalo starter he on a per-game basis, he was top 15, right around top 12, I think, actually, according to CBS. Any reason to draft Tyrod Taylor, Dave? In a 2QB league, he can be a starter to begin your year, and you see what happens.
Starting point is 00:12:57 But not a 1QB league. What? Not a 1QB league. No, no, no. Okay. Not right now, but again, it depends on what they do in the draft. So let's get into the rest of it here.
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Starting point is 00:13:55 we'll start doing that during the offseason. We got some time to kill. So going to be some great content coming up. The Bears acquired Nick Foles from the Jaguars for a fourth round pick. Jamie, who is going to be the starting quarterback for the bears? Uh, Nick Foles. Is that good or bad for Alan Robinson and Anthony Miller? I mean,
Starting point is 00:14:20 Alan Robinson's play with such crappy quarterbacks in his career. It doesn't really matter. I, I'd still view him the same way. Miller the same way. You know, Bears fans have to be thrilled. You go get Jimmy Graham and Nick Foles, and that just solves all your problems. It's just a bad team.
Starting point is 00:14:37 A mess. It's a really bad team. Who's – okay, is there a big fantasy swing from this deal, whether it's on Jacksonville, whether it's on the Bears? Maybe it's David Montgomery. Maybe that's a bad outlook for him. I don't know, but is there a big swing? I mean, it's a swing for Minshew, yeah, if he's a starter
Starting point is 00:14:54 without significant competition. So if I could guarantee you, Heath, 16 games of Minshew and 16 games of Tyrod Taylor, who are you taking? Oh, Minshew. 16 games of Gardner Minshew, 16 games of Kyler Murray, who are you taking? Kyler. Okay. That was a joke.
Starting point is 00:15:16 But where are we ranking Gardner Minshew? I have him 14th, I think. He and Daniel Jones are right in that borderline QB1 range. Yeah, I'm not as optimistic. I've got him 20th, and I've got Jones ahead of him. I've got Rivers ahead of him, too. Yeah, he's inside my top 20. I think if you're inclined to take a second quarterback,
Starting point is 00:15:38 if he's still the starter in Jacksonville, they're going to be chasing points so much that he could compile some good numbers. He was good at times last year. He was awful at others. Hopefully the fact that he can go into the season, assuming again that he is the guy, knowing that he's the starter, I'm sure that will be big for his confidence. What I posted yesterday on Twitter,
Starting point is 00:16:00 I believe the last four quarterbacks that Jay Gruden has had that played 16 games were top 10 quarterbacks. Andy Dalton and Kirk Cousins three times. Interesting. And just to go back to Foles, he's not that bad. He's so inconsistent. He's had some really good moments and some really bad moments. But you just look at what he did with the eagles what he did in limited time with the jaguars it's not like it's not like alshon jeffrey struggled it's not like dj charke struggled you know i he can get the ball to alan robinson i mean really like the way and it's recency bias and you're gonna get really mad at me for saying this. All right. I love it. Here we go.
Starting point is 00:16:46 But the amount of great play we've seen from Nick Foles is not that much different than the amount of great play we've seen from Ryan Tannehill. Why am I going to get mad at you for that? Because Ryan Tannehill is making $30 million a year and Nick Foles just got traded for around pick, and everybody's making fun of the Bears for giving up a fourth-round pick for him. Yeah, but at this point last year, it was, wow, Nick Foles got a really big deal for being Nick Foles. It should terrify Titans fans. Absolutely. Sell the Titans.
Starting point is 00:17:14 The Titans are, no, sell. I think the problem with Foles is from, and Dave, I know you don't follow the Bears to the same level that you used to, but you could speak to this more than any of us can, is that you had, for whatever it's worth, Nick Foles is probably from a health standpoint better. You had Cam Newton out there. You had Jameis Winston out there. You had guys, Andy Dalton, who knows Bill Lazor and, you know, for whatever that is. It just feels as if, like if they settled for Nick Foles
Starting point is 00:17:46 as opposed to maybe trying to upgrade over Mitchell Trubisky. And so it just doesn't feel inspiring is the way I approach it. No, and I think that their hands were tied. And they just didn't want to. You don't think the Panthers would have taken a fourth-round pick for Cam Newton right now? Of course they would have. But they didn't want to deal with Cam's. Well, i can't even say the salary because foals is getting paid
Starting point is 00:18:08 a pretty penny i think is getting paid paid more the problem with cam and trading for cam is that you have to give a physical to him right now and that's exactly you don't know what you're gonna get we're seeing that with tom brady right now uh the other part of it is is that this is ryan pace's job on the line right now. This is, you know, I don't think Matt Nagy is as in trouble if this fails, but he's probably in trouble. Oh, he is, yeah. In that if you bring in somebody who's got a better track record than Trubisky, it's a clear sign that Trubisky is out the door.
Starting point is 00:18:39 If you bring in Nick Foles, who's been a backup, who had time as a backup even after signing this deal last year, he's okay taking that role. I'm sure that conversation was had as opposed to they bring in somebody else that has the resume and Trubisky all of a sudden is now under pressure. He's not as under pressure right now with Nick Foles on the roster. It's pressure nonetheless, though. Totally.
Starting point is 00:19:04 But it's not the same as in the bear it's not the same as if you're bringing in a 5 000 yard passer and jamis whatever his flaws no i think if they had got brady that would have obviously been end of the line and i think winston no but cam is a league mvp so that's the the you're not bringing cam in to be a backup you're not bringing jamison to be a backup because you're not bringing Jameis in to be a backup because you've got to pay him. Brady obviously is a different category altogether. Rivers would have been a different category altogether. This speaks
Starting point is 00:19:31 to it's Trubisky's job to win. If he loses it, we're comfortable with the second guy. I don't know how much you guys care about this in fantasy, but there seems to me, and time will tell what free agency brings, but there just seems to be such a hierarchy in terms of franchises and the ones that are run well and the ones that are run poorly.
Starting point is 00:19:51 And it just seems like these teams are compounding mistakes. The Bears seem like a very poorly run franchise. And the fact that they just released Leonard Floyd and traded for a quarterback after drafting Trubisky and Floyd so high, I mean, it just shows you their evaluations haven't been very good. I think the Jaguars are a really horrible franchise. How about taking Trubisky when you could have had Deshaun Watson or Patrick Mahomes? Of course. Yeah. No, it's everything. That tells you everything you need to know about their evaluation. Yeah. I think the
Starting point is 00:20:17 Jaguars are a horribly run franchise. I think the Chargers are really going that route. I just don't like anything that they've been doing. They've made some great moves this offseason. They keep going old, though. I mean, when you sign old players who might be over the hill, that's a real risk. Okay, Linval Joseph, Chris Harris, and Brian Bulaga. If they get them in their prime, that's great. But that doesn't always work.
Starting point is 00:20:38 That's what free agency is, though. You don't get guys in their prime most of the time. You do sometimes. I mean, sometimes you do. No, the Packers last year are a good example. They signed two guys that were in their prime, they were great daria smith and preston smith yeah i think the dolphins have made some smart signings this offseason you know it seems like they're going about it the right way i do think the chargers have made some good moves
Starting point is 00:20:55 with the understanding of you're gonna have hopefully a good young quarterback and that's the hope is that if the rookie comes in and can play well not necessarily this year but next year you i mean chris harris gives them the best secondary football it's not close And that's the hope is that if the rookie comes in and can play well, not necessarily this year, but next year, I mean, Chris Harris gives them the best secondary football. It's not close. Especially with that pass rush. Yeah, it's a really good secondary. It's a great defense.
Starting point is 00:21:14 I moved their defense into the top 10 for my DSDs this year, and they play in the same division as the Chiefs. So that's saying something. They held Mahomes to under 200 yards both times, right? I think so. I know that my homes didn't have like monster games against them maybe one of them he had a lot of touchdowns i'd have to go back and check but i i do think that everything sets up for the chargers to be
Starting point is 00:21:34 competitive this year except at quarterback right and it that's the one thing and that's what i think you're trying to say adam is that they're just doing that they if they had just held on to philip rivers for one more year we'd be talking about the Chargers as a potential apple cart turner to see. No, I maybe. But I mean, Rivers looked bad last year. The one thing is, is that you'd like to see him with, you know, the upgrades of the offensive line that they made. I think the I'm looking at now they held my home to theomes scored 28 fantasy points against them combined in two games, 16 and 12. He was under 185 passing yards in both of those games against them.
Starting point is 00:22:10 One was the one where he got hurt, though. Yeah, man, look, mate. I would like to see. I hope that Melvin Gordon's on our team, or I hope they go draft a running back. I'd like to see them be able to run the ball really well if they're going to go with Tyrod Taylor. They have Austin Eckler. They have.
Starting point is 00:22:23 Yeah, I guess. He runs the ball really well. They'll add another running back, but it'll be a complimentary guy, not a starter. He doesn't run the ball that well. Eckler's the starter. That's the thing. He's not a great runner. I don't think that's true. The measurements in terms of
Starting point is 00:22:37 his efficiency, whether you want to use yards per carry or you want to use elusiveness, he does run the ball well. He's very good. You missed this yesterday, and Dave, you can chime in as well, but Adam thinks you have to be tall to be a number one wide receiver in the NFL. No, I was here for that. Yeah, for sure. That's right.
Starting point is 00:22:53 You were here for that. Okay, he does run the ball well, but he's not a bell cow, right? So obviously they need another guy. He's not big in your mind, and that's the problem. He's just not a bell cow. They're not going to turn him loose, obviously. You want Brandon Jacobs on every team. He's good. No, I. They're not going to turn him loose. Obviously you want Brandon Jacobs on every. He's good.
Starting point is 00:23:05 No, I want Melvin Gordon on every team. Like the thing is, I would love to see Adam standing next to Austin Eckler talking about Austin Eckler size. He's only an inch taller than Sanders. They're about the same size. Right?
Starting point is 00:23:18 Yeah. Come on, man. Miles Sanders. Yeah. Austin Eckler is five, 10, 200 pounds,
Starting point is 00:23:23 according to this. And I'm five, nine. He's probably, he's probably according to this. And I'm 5'9". He's probably 5'8". They're about the same height. I'm 195, Heath. It's very close. Sanders is 5'11", 211. You fist-bumped
Starting point is 00:23:39 Miles Sanders and sat next to him Super Bowl week. Was he big enough to play running back in the NFL? He was. He's enough to play running back in the NFL? He was, and he said that the fist bump actually hurt his head. He's not saying play running back. He's saying be a number one. Yeah, he's not a number one running back.
Starting point is 00:23:53 He's starting running back. Yeah, I mean, in terms of ball carrying the ball. He's not a bell cow. All right, whatever. I think we're getting off track a little bit. I apologize for that. More news. The Eagles did acquire Darius Slay.
Starting point is 00:24:08 I would say, you know, this is not a great offseason for Amari Cooper because the Giants brought in... What? Hold on. He's got a bank account. He's got $100 million. Financially, it's a great offseason. I would love to have an offseason like that.
Starting point is 00:24:24 Man, that'd be so miserable what i'm saying is the eagles giants and redskins didn't have great secondaries last year while the giants got one of the better cornerbacks on the free agent market the eagles traded for darius slay in fact amari cooper against the lions last year three catches for 38 yards on eight targets but as i've mentioned he faced almost all of the best corners in football last year. He faced the Patriots. He faced the Bills. He faced Jalen Ramsey,
Starting point is 00:24:49 faced Darius Slay. So I don't know that it's going to get that much worse. Austin Eckler doesn't run the ball very well, and Amari Cooper's had a rough offseason. Austin Eckler is not a bell cow, is what I meant to say. No, hey, listen, that's legit, man. You put two cornerbacks
Starting point is 00:25:05 in the NFC East that have a history of doing very well against great wide receivers. I think that's relevant. I don't know if it's enough to make you scared to take Amari Cooper at the right point anyway. He's going to do the same thing he always does. He's going to have an eight-week stretch where
Starting point is 00:25:21 he's a receiver in football, and he's going to have six games where he scores five points. Did you say eight or three? What's next, Adam? I'll tell you what's next. Heath needs to explain how Amari Cooper is the same wide receiver he's been his entire career, yet Derek Carr is an obviously bad quarterback because those two points don't make any sense.
Starting point is 00:25:47 Right. Because obviously Amari Cooper is better now than he was when he was with Derek Carr because he's with a good quarterback. That's a huge difference. I think when he's at his best, he's good enough to overcome quarterback plays, what he's shown us.
Starting point is 00:26:02 Todd Gurley could be traded or released, and any team that acquires him would have to pay him at least $22 million over the next two seasons before being able to release him. That's Todd Gurley. Your quick thoughts on the Tom Brady wants to play with Antonio Brown scuttlebutt? Scuttle?
Starting point is 00:26:17 That's a scuttlebutt? No. The word on that. The word is scuttlebutt now. Let's get past the Tom Brady and Tampa Bay are trying to figure out how he's going to take a physical before we worry about whether they're going to
Starting point is 00:26:36 sign Antonio Brown or not. We already did an emergency podcast. It obviously impacts everything in that offense. Yeah. I'm just saying we've reacted so much to it. If they don't sign him, Tom Brady, that is, if they don't sign Tom Brady, we'd be very upset. I think it's almost certain
Starting point is 00:26:52 there's going to be one major signing or trade that falls through. Oh, at least one. I mean, how many days away are we until these guys can get their physicals? I can guess one, potentially. David Johnson fails a physical. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:06 Bill O'Brien. I thought they'd fail the physical on David Johnson just so they get Hopkins back. And then they say, all right, you're right. We're wrong. Here's all this money. But that text and story is wild that Michael Irvin talked about. Yeah. I don't know what to make of it.
Starting point is 00:27:26 I don't think he was comparing him to Aaron Hernandez. No, no, no, no, no. He was just saying he has to talk to a player. Yes. Have a conversation with a player. There is some word coming out of Houston that maybe Hopkins' knee is not as good as potentially
Starting point is 00:27:41 could consider. He could potentially have any problems. That's what I'm trying to say. I'll spit that out eventually. I do want to say one thing. I heard this yesterday, which I thought was interesting. I think Brady Quinn brought it up. Remember last year, this time, we were killing the Steelers
Starting point is 00:27:58 for what they got in return for Antonio Brown? And how that turned out? Yes, yes, yes. Yeah. And if it wasn't Bill Yes, yes, yes. Yeah. And if it wasn't Bill O'Brien, I would say it potentially could have the same impact, but I hope not.
Starting point is 00:28:12 But I'd just be a little bit concerned about DeAndre Hopkins. So the Antonio Brown thing, though, I mean, obviously there are circumstances there. He still was, I think, going to be a good player. But the other one that comes to mind is we were praising the Dolphins for giving up a second round
Starting point is 00:28:28 pick for Josh Rosen. And I think the Cardinals might have fleeced the Dolphins in that one. You never know how things turn out. Yeah, true. No. It's always interesting when you evaluate trades. But you try and swing for the fences for a quarterback if you can, which is why
Starting point is 00:28:43 if you get to him and he's good, you do it. Absolutely. Redskins also signed running back J.D. McKissick. Does that matter to you guys at all? I'll downgrade Geist just a little. Are we sure he even makes the final roster? There was some Washington reporter saying that they see him as their third down back. Yeah, I would imagine he's a Chris Thompson replacement.
Starting point is 00:29:06 Not a special teams ad? Not a kick returner? I don't remember who it was. I'll try to find it. I mean, maybe that's what he did in Detroit. That's what he could potentially do in Washington. So wait and see. Let's talk about our rankings, the biggest rankings movers.
Starting point is 00:29:22 Jamie, we'll start with you. You said Kenyon Drake is up. Julian Edelman and Nick Chubb are down. Let's start with Kenyon Drake. Where'd you move him to? He is a top nine running back in both formats for me. Anybody else got Drake in the top ten?
Starting point is 00:29:37 I do not. I have him very, very close. I think I might have him 12. And it was John Kime that said they view him as their third down. Okay. Dave, where do you have Kenyon Drake? Let's see.
Starting point is 00:29:51 You have him 13th and non. I currently have him 14th in PPR. 13th and non. I have him 10th in PPR, 11th in non. And I kind of feel like I might be too low. I feel like I could be low on him, too, just because I think he's got a shot at 1,500 yards. Touch-ons I'm a little worried about, but if I really think he's got 1500 yards, he'll find some good touchdowns along the way. He averaged in the eight games with the Cardinals 19.1 PPR points per game.
Starting point is 00:30:18 Oh, he averaged over a hundred total yards per game and a touchdown per game. And in those eight games, 18.8 touches. touches yeah it's just about how he got them because there were two games where he had six touchdowns and like 40 percent of his yards something like that and in those other six games he had 80 total yards per game a little more than that so i think that there's i i think he's i think the case can be made that he's a number one fantasy running back but like one of of Jamie's followers was Nick Chubb, and in PPR, I have Drake now ahead of Chubb. I have him even ahead of him in non-PPR.
Starting point is 00:30:52 Chubb's numbers with Hunt, without Hunt, are not the greatest. I think with Drake, the catches are very interesting to me. Eight games with the Cardinals. Four, six, six catches his first three games. Then two, three, one, three, three.
Starting point is 00:31:10 It's a very significant difference there. But David Johnson played a few of those games. No, David Johnson was... Those two guys were more or less uninvolved, Johnson and Edmonds. They had almost nothing. No back had more than six touches in those games with Drake.
Starting point is 00:31:25 Right. And so somebody's going to get some touches. It'll be Edmonds. Right. And I don't know what to make of that. I mean, I talked about that with Ben a few days ago. It was just me and Ben on the show, but how Kyler Murray broke the mold a little bit.
Starting point is 00:31:38 He was a Russian quarterback who did throw to his running backs. David Johnson, first half of the season, and Kenyon Drake, second half of the season, but not really in the last five games. And I don't know if that means anything, honestly. I also mentioned that Drake had two games where he had more than 20 carries, and those were the only
Starting point is 00:31:55 two games the Cardinals won in Drake's eight games. So maybe that means if they are better next year, they'll give him a bigger workload on the ground, which would be cool, which would be nice. Because he had four games with 10 to 13 carries, and that's kind of tough to rely on.
Starting point is 00:32:13 And he had less than 40 rushing yards in three of his eight games with the Cardinals. It was a little inconsistent, I guess. But overall, he was the number four running back in fantasy in the eight games he played with Arizona. All right, so I know Heath also had Drake up. Jamie, you have Julian Edelman down and Nick Chubb down. Should we get into Nick Chubb a little bit more, guys?
Starting point is 00:32:34 Yes. All right, go ahead. What do you think, Dave? I haven't moved him off of being a top-ten running back. I'm still of the belief that he'll lead the way for the Browns run game and that the Browns will be more balanced offensively. I think my biggest question, and I believe you've brought this up a lot, Dave, and it kind of is true for some offenses. And how much are they going to increase their targets to tight ends? And how does that affect the targets that go to running backs?
Starting point is 00:33:03 Because those are generally in the same area of the field. Sure. It's I'm worried about Austin Hooper period, obviously, but being anywhere close to what he was in Atlanta. But if the amount of money that they've dedicated to that position and the fact that they're talking about running him and the joke who out there a lot together makes me think that the tight end targets probably go up. And are the wide receivers going down with Odell beckham and jarvis landry on the team so the first thing i noticed is that more than a third of baker mayfield's
Starting point is 00:33:30 touchdowns in his two years in the nfl have gone to tight ends and i think that's pretty substantial and the browns clearly wanted to improve at tight end i don't think they love no joku i'd kind of be surprised if he was on their roster i guess he's cheap enough that they could keep him, but obviously he's not going to be their main tight end now. I think they realize that there's no tight end in the draft that can come in and make an impact, and there was no tight end that they could trade for that wouldn't cost something substantial. And free agency, who else was there besides Austin Hooper that they could get in and feel like could be a real contributor to help Baker Mayfield in the red zone? Well, and so that's why I think they had to spend Hooper.
Starting point is 00:34:12 And I think he's going to get a lot of touchdowns, but I agree. I think Hooper could lose out catches and yards wise. 22% of their targets went to running backs last year, which is above average. Only 13% to tight ends, which is one of the lowest marks in the league. If Hooper's going to get more than that, it's probably going to come from the running backs. What do you make of this? Nick Chubb, first eight games,
Starting point is 00:34:35 top five running back. Last eight games, number 23 running back in PPR. It's funny because his touches, he was basically 22 touches per game in the first eight games. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:50 And he was at 19. So it's not like he dropped off significantly, but he lost two catches per game. And that hurt. He went from 18 PPR points per game to 12.3. So he lost six PPR points per game. Yeah, I mean, the big difference is a somewhat fluky thing is touchdowns.
Starting point is 00:35:04 He had six rushing touchdowns in the first eight games. He had two in the last eight. The catches, though, 25 first eight games, 15 last eight games. Going from a 50-catch pace to a 30-catch pace is pretty significant, and that was before they brought in Austin Hooper. I still have him as a number one running back, but he went from top six for me to 10 in non-PPR and 12 in PPR. Would you guys take Miles Sanders or Nick Chubb?
Starting point is 00:35:35 Chubb. Chubb. Still Chubb. It could be Sanders by May, but right now it's still Chubb. We talked a lot about two of them. So let's go to Dave's rankings. Tom Brady is in your top 10 now, Dave. And Hayden Hurst is tight end 16.
Starting point is 00:35:49 Those are your big up movers. And how about Deshaun Watson, a QB6. But Brady into the top 10. Brady's top 12 for me. And there is potential for him to get into the top 10. But he's the bottom line. I'm on board, buddy. The bottom line is that he is a starting fantasy quarterback. And when you go into your draft, you should view him as such. And it's just
Starting point is 00:36:08 the potential of how he'll do in this offense with the receivers that he has. His numbers, as far as deep ball efficiency, were not far off from what Jameis was last year. And Jameis had way more deep ball attempts than Brady did. And I've spent time going back and watching Brady play last year. There's two examples in his very last game against Tennessee where he put the ball in the air over 50 yards. I am a little concerned about the velocity of his throws to the sideline, but it's still pretty good. And I imagine that he's going to be in a situation where he's throwing over 600 times this year. And he's going to have certainly a bounce back here. It's weighing him against Matt Ryan.
Starting point is 00:36:52 It's weighing him. Matt Ryan's also got great receivers. It's weighing him against Aaron Rodgers, and I would expect Aaron Rodgers to get some help. Stafford was on a torrid pace last year before he got hurt. So for now, I'm taking Stafford ahead of Tom Brady. But I'm going to go with Brady over Wentz, and I love Wentz. He's been one of my favorite quarterbacks since he came into the league. I'm going to take Brady over him.
Starting point is 00:37:12 I'm going to take Goff behind Brady. He belongs in the top 12 for sure. I know Jamie likes him as a top 10 guy. Yep. And Heath, too. I think Heath and Jamie both have him 10th. And this is in six-point-per- per passing touchdown leagues and 4 point per passing touchdown leagues I'm not sure he's top 12
Starting point is 00:37:28 but I would guess close he's higher in 4 points he does have 5 rushing touchdowns in his last 2 seasons he does tend to sneak the ball in a little bit adding Antonio Brown would be nice too I guess but Stafford I mean Stafford over Brady is one that kind of jumps out
Starting point is 00:37:48 because I understand why he'd be ranked near Rodgers and Ryan. Stafford was on a torn pace, Dave, but he pretty much had never done that before or maybe once. What I'm not confused about but struggling with a little bit with Brady is if they are the team that goes and trades for early today or if they sign Melvin Gordon. And we already know how much better their defense was in the second half last year. And they just went and got a quarterback. They probably don't want getting hit as many times as Jameis got hit last year.
Starting point is 00:38:20 Is it possible they go a little more run heavy than they were last year? Sure. Definitely. I think that's the only risk with Brady is if they go get Melvin or Gurley or someone. I see your run game argument and I raise you Bruce Arians. That's true. Bruce also has to be cognizant about Brady being 42 years old and trying to protect this two-year investment. This is their Super Bowl window.
Starting point is 00:38:42 And what happens if Brady gets sacked and hit and he tears his ACL again? The window shuts. It does. I get where you're coming from on that, Heath. Dion Lewis is a free agent, by the way. If they want to upgrade at passing downs running
Starting point is 00:39:00 back in Tampa Bay, you can donate Dion Lewis. Compared to what they have now? Dory? I'm not sure. I think he anymore. Compared to what they have now? Doré? I'm not sure. I think he would be, as long as the price is right. The price is a ham sandwich. Hayden Hurst. Tight end 16 for you, Hayden Hurst.
Starting point is 00:39:16 And he could go much higher. Too low. Maybe. There's a lot of tight ends that I love. Remember last year how I was like, gotta get a tight end in one of your first three picks i don't think i can say that this year because there's so there are so many intriguing tight ends that i love later in the draft and hurst immediately jumps into that group uh he's he's a faster less inexperienced less healthy version of boston hooper so there's pros and cons to him being there.
Starting point is 00:39:47 And yeah, I still think Atlanta gave up a lot to get him, but that doesn't really matter now for fantasy. He's got potential to have a very nice third season in his age 27 year. The rankings are insane on Hayden Hurst. Heath has him eighth, Dave 16th, and Jamie twentieth in PPR. Who wants to talk now? Jamie? Heath? Go ahead, Jamie. Jamie?
Starting point is 00:40:11 I like him. I just want to see the final puzzle for the Falcons. I want to see what they're going to do at running back first. I agree with Dave. I think there's just a lot of good tight ends in that you sort of have the top tier guys. I don't know if we can use Jared Cook as the bridge again, but he might be the bridge again.
Starting point is 00:40:27 But the other side of the bridge looks a little bit better after you get past what will probably be the consensus, eight or nine guys, eight to ten guys, depending on how you want to view it. But, yeah, I mean, Hurst, Jarwin, O.J. Howard now potentially with Brady there, Dallas Goddard as still a depleted Eagles receiving core. There's a lot of tight end guys that you'll take as a second guy that can end up being your starter. If let's say, like we talked about yesterday, if Darren Waller suffers because of Jason Witten or better Hunter Renfro or something, no offense, not good. TJ Hawkins is in that conversation too.
Starting point is 00:41:05 I like Hayden Hurst. I think he's got a great opportunity, but I just have a hard time getting him a little higher than that. I think the let's see what the final puzzle is is a good point. This team has 246 targets
Starting point is 00:41:21 to replace from 2019 and so far Hayden Hurst is the one addition they've made. They're going to add a running back, probably, at some point. I guess I'd assume in the draft at this point. They need a lot of help on defense. Their offensive line needs... If they don't go add another receiver that's significant, I'm going to have a hard time not having Hurst in the top 10.
Starting point is 00:41:45 Full disclosure, you loved Hurst coming out. You were a big fan of Hurst coming out. Are you taking him in round 9 today? Oh, if he's there in round 9, sure. The one thing I go back to is I spoke to Austin Hooper at the Pro Bowl two years ago, and it was after he finally broke through.
Starting point is 00:42:03 The last two years have been really good for him. I said to him, what was the difference? And he said, you know, I got a chance to spend the entire offseason with Matt Ryan. And I don't know about the other side of that for what that meant for Ryan and trusting Austin Hooper. We know he trusts his two guys in terms of Julio Jones and Calvin Ridley. And there's probably going to be such a limited offseason if the season does start on time that I don't know if that rapport is going to be there right away. That doesn't mean that he can't have good numbers,
Starting point is 00:42:30 Hayden Hurst, he can't produce. And like he said, you know, a lot of targets for a team that is probably going to be chasing points in a division with Drew Brees and Tom Brady. But you know, I just don't know if that connection will be developed like it may need to.
Starting point is 00:42:42 And Hurst obviously has to stay healthy on top of it. I just think that people might be basing Hayden Hurst's optimism on what Austin Hooper did last year. No, not just that. Yeah, I understand. But what about what Austin Hooper did the year before? I mean, yes, he was actually a top six or seven tight end the year before. But it really wasn't a very good year.
Starting point is 00:43:04 It was 71 catches, which is nice. 660 yards and four touchdowns. And we don't know anything about Hayden Hurst. We don't know if he's good. He has some pedigree, but they... We know so far he's been very good when they've thrown to him. His efficiency as a pass catcher has been good. True.
Starting point is 00:43:19 And he was a first-round pick. And he should be in line for a big opportunity. Such a small sample. He has not done much. I don't know. pick and he should be in line for a big big opportunity such a small sample he has had really he has not done much and i don't know who who were you just making the uh the draft pedigree argument about sam darnold no no i don't remember doing that um back to what i was saying dirt cutter offense it's not just what hooper did. Cutter's offense has been over 120 targets to tight ends basically
Starting point is 00:43:48 every year. Alright. Yeah, that's good. That's definitely good. And look, the investment speaks to wanting to use him. You know, you don't give up a second round pick for a guy who is 27 that has injury
Starting point is 00:44:03 history and anxiety, I think it is. He deals with anxiety. He did. I'm not sure if he still does. He had to quit baseball over it. I think that was a problem for him in the NFL, though. Maybe. Just some things to keep in mind.
Starting point is 00:44:19 One guy for Heath I wanted to bring up because Heath's three players moving up were Drake and Hurst and Adam Thielen. Adam Thielen right now is the number four wide receiver in fantasy. You guys are, I don't even know where you have ranked, but you're too low on Adam Thielen. He should be fourth. That's too high. That is too high, yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:46 But I've got him 18 in non-PPR. I've got him 12 in PPR. Oh, criminal. Criminal. Yeah, he's not bad for me in both. He's got an opportunity certainly to be there. Again, we'll see what the final puzzle looks like in Minnesota. Do they add someone with a high draft pick or not?
Starting point is 00:45:03 But, yeah, there's a lot of upside there. I do think it will be interesting to see. We talked a lot over the last couple of years about, and Stefan Diggs talked about it when he was on air with us at the Super Bowl, how when he got the tough coverage, he just didn't get the targets. Adam Thielen's getting the tough targets every single week now. Not targets. Tough coverage.
Starting point is 00:45:24 Tough coverage. Every single week now. Not targets. Tough coverage. Tough coverage. Every single week now. Wow. So Adam Thielen, top 12 in 2017, eighth in PPR, seventh in both formats in 2018. First six games of 2019, he was sixth in non-PPR,
Starting point is 00:45:38 ninth in PPR. They lose Stefan Diggs. And they lose their secondary and Linval Joseph. And now you're telling me he's worse than he's been. I don't think so. He now you've angered me. The thing about Tannehill that didn't anger me.
Starting point is 00:45:54 Now this is angered me. Okay. All right. Let's read some, uh, some Facebook questions here. Facebook comments. Oh,
Starting point is 00:46:04 by the way, I voted in Jamie's Twitter poll, and of course I got it wrong based on the overwhelming results. Who wins the AFC East in 2020? I voted for the Patriots. I'm still going to take the Patriots, I guess. The Bills win? Overwhelmingly, 69% of the vote.
Starting point is 00:46:20 Yeah, I take the Patriots. I'll take the Bills. I don't know why I said that. Because you buy into Bill Belichick. He's a genius coach. They're going to tank for Trevor. Oh, it would be so smart. But they're not the only ones.
Starting point is 00:46:35 Well, the Jaguars are. They're going to be three wins at best. Yeah, Carolina. Yeah. Who's the worst team in football right now? Jacksonville. Jacksonville. The Raiders. What Jacksonville the Raiders what
Starting point is 00:46:47 Raiders there's got to be a team worse than Jacksonville I think the Giants are the worst team in the NFL they might be they're horrible okay yeah it could still be the Jets could be one of the worst teams in the NFL it could still be Washington
Starting point is 00:47:04 it could definitely still be... The Jets could be one of the worst teams in the NFL. It could still be Washington. The Jets are terrible. It could definitely still be Washington. Definitely. Okay, Facebook. So, I asked people for some winners, some losers, some under-the-radar stories, whatever stood out to them. Emilio Williams said,
Starting point is 00:47:16 Tight end is so deep right now, I'm wondering if it causes Kelsey and Kittle to fall in drafts. Yes. I think it should. I'll agree with what Ben Gretsch said a couple weeks ago. I think it should. I'll agree with what Ben Gretch said a couple weeks ago. I think it should cause everyone but Kelsey and Kittle to fall.
Starting point is 00:47:29 There's still going to be a big gap between those two and everyone else, but everyone else should fall. Yeah, I'm not taking the... Ertz is my third tight end. The earliest I would take him is round four. From John Legan, who's going to be a reliable... Actually, we'll skip that one. Who's more valuable, also from John,
Starting point is 00:47:46 who's more valuable, Melvin Gordon or Todd Gurley? Melvin Gordon. Probably Melvin. From Pat Ball, I'm intrigued by the fact that Miami might not suck. They're not going to suck. No, I agree. You can probably get really good odds on that still. That's your sneaky AFC East winner.
Starting point is 00:48:06 And then the follow-up, the next question is kind of similar from Joe. Joe Gallipo. Austin Hooper is a bust, and Jordan Howard does well in Miami. Probably, and let's see who they draft. Probably Hooper is a bust, and let's see who the draft. Probably Hooper's a bust, and let's see who the Dolphins draft. So who thinks Hooper's a bust? I didn't move him down.
Starting point is 00:48:33 A bust in terms of not being a top, a number one tight end? I think he'll still finish as a number one tight end right now. But I moved him down. He was sixth. I think I moved him down. He was sixth. I think I moved him to eighth. Okay. Yeah, I think...
Starting point is 00:48:48 Is he outside of your top 12, Pete? I think I have him 12th. I feel like Baker Mayfield is going to have to have a pretty good year for Hooper. I don't know if it's Hooper necessarily, but someone's going to be a bust, if not multiple players,
Starting point is 00:49:02 if Mayfield doesn't have a good year. Because Ryan always is good, basically. I think it's not just Baker has to have a good year. Baker has to have a good year, and Kevin Stefanski has to prove that he wanted to throw the ball, but Mike Zimmer wouldn't let him. True, yeah. Can anybody definitively say...
Starting point is 00:49:19 What if Case Keenum has a good year? Oh, goodness. Can anybody definitively say who the fifth best tight end in fantasy is right now fifth um I still think it's one like who your least favorite of Earth's Andrews Waller
Starting point is 00:49:32 uh I would take Waller's though as the fifth tight end I'm nervous about him repeating and it's nothing to do with them signing Jason Witten it's just nervous about like him there everybody's going to do with them signing jason winton it's just nervous about like him they're everybody's going to have an off season to try and figure him out oakland's still going to add somebody at wide receiver so you have hooper fifth yeah i do or six i don't love it
Starting point is 00:49:57 at all don't love it one bit but i think there's a drop off from the top four big drop-off and that that's pretty interesting because yeah i mean it does look deep with starting options and it was last year we didn't know it on draft day but tight end ended up by the end of the year you probably had a tight end that you were comfortable starting but yeah i mean uh i think i think you said it well when you quoted ben i guess heath and that kelsey and Kittle are probably not going to lose value. They're still amazing. After that, yeah, maybe everyone falls a little bit because of the depth of the position.
Starting point is 00:50:32 Okay, Alex Burchock. Nobody's talking about Miles Sanders and what it means that he's no longer splitting snaps with Jordan Howard. Does Philly trust him as a three-down back? Is he going to break out this year? Do you think Sanders will still end up splitting snaps with Boston Scott or someone else they acquire? Yes, he's going to split snaps,
Starting point is 00:50:51 but he still has a chance to be the lead guy there, and hopefully it's not a high draft pick or a significant player that they add of somebody who could still get cut. Why do you think I'm too high on Miles Sanders? I think he's worth a first round pick. You don't have to do it. I could take him early in the second round.
Starting point is 00:51:13 I guess you should say who are some of the running backs you're taking him over. Joe Mixon or Miles Sanders? Sanders. Why don't I tell you the running backs I would take over Miles Sanders? Let's pull up a rankings list. We know the five. The big five, and then that's it. I think I'd probably have him as my sixth running back.
Starting point is 00:51:31 Now, what if they add a day two running back? What if they add Cam Akers? Yeah, I'd probably pause then. I'd probably drop him in the Drake-Chubb range. What if they add the Kelly kid from UCLA on day three? I might actually take Leonard Fournette sixth. No, a day three guy? Is that what you said?
Starting point is 00:51:54 No, I don't care. I think if you think that Miles Sanders is going to catch 50 passes, and I think there were 14 running backs who did that last year, or 12, 14, something like that. So that's good. It's not amazing, but it's good. Then I have no problem with him in terms of
Starting point is 00:52:08 format. He'd be better in this and that. And I do think he'll catch 50 passes. I think he's going to be awesome. And I think he's going to get most of their rushing touchdowns. So yeah, to me he's RB6 right now. A day three running back is meaningless. So why am I too high if you think I
Starting point is 00:52:24 am too high? In PPR, I like Eckler and Drake better than him. I think they're going to catch more passes and be more involved. Personally. Yeah, I don't know what the argument like. It's kind of a similar type thing with Eckler and Miles Sanders in that they are going to get more work than they did last year. And they were awesome with the work they did get last year. And Eckler was a lot better
Starting point is 00:52:45 than Miles Sanders last year so I don't know why Austin Eckler wouldn't be ahead of Miles Sanders at the very least I just think that they are going to okay if they don't do anything then I could see that but well they're gonna do something but is it a day one a day two a day three back I think it's a day two back I think it's a second or third round pick they're not gonna take one in the first round. That's day one. And, you know, I just think they're going to split. And also, I think the Eagles offense,
Starting point is 00:53:11 I just don't believe in Tyrod Taylor. So I think the Eagles offense is going to be a lot better than the Chargers offense. Remember, they just lost two picks, too, to get Darius Slay. So their draft capital is waning. I just think at this point at the offense, if we're projecting running backs to split, we should absolutely be projecting miles Sanders to split.
Starting point is 00:53:29 Why? He didn't really toward the end of last year. And if he did, he still had plenty of work. So he did, but there was a lot more work available because they didn't have any wide receivers, but he's,
Starting point is 00:53:39 he's still like Boston. Scott still played a lot last year in the second half. And Jordan Howard played a ton in the first half. I think Miles Sanders leads the backfield. I just don't believe there's much of an opportunity that he's like 300-touch workhorse. It depends on how much you think he's going to be that guy from the final five games of last year. And to be fair, they don't have any receivers now. They kind of whiffed on that.
Starting point is 00:54:03 They still have Alshon Jeffrey and Deshaun Jackson, right? Jeffrey's going to be a June 1st cut, most likely. If you're looking at Miles Sanders' game log, you have to eliminate Week 17 because he got hurt in that game. Boston Scott got 19 carries.
Starting point is 00:54:20 The four games before that, you were talking he was on a 23-touch pace or something like that. So I don't expect that. But I think he could get 20 touches. I think he'd get at least, yeah, 18 to 20 touches. And yeah, I don't know. I think after the big five, I'm going to guess that
Starting point is 00:54:38 those running backs could really be completely jumbled up. It's personal preference, right? And quite frankly, Heath, I'm surprised you don't have Fournette higher. I think you have him like 12. He's a guy that will move up if they don't go at a pass-catching running back. I'm just concerned they will. Okay. Let me get back to the Facebook question.
Starting point is 00:54:57 This is funny. We have all these teams adding running backs. There are a lot in the draft, but they're not all great. Right. Well, let's see what happens. The draft's going to be pretty interesting. The Chargers are getting one. The Falcons are getting one. The Dolphins are getting one. But they are, right? I mean, all those teams are. I mean, they need them, but where are they all coming from that are all going to be this impactful? Well, there's still a lot of free agent running backs, too, though.
Starting point is 00:55:20 Yeah, but most of the good ones are taken already. Right. And so that leaves Philadelphia with, are they really going to spend a big draft pick on one of these running backs that, you know, a team like Miami or Atlanta is going to take, or are they going to settle in until day three where they have three fourth round picks and spend one of those picks on a running back? So I think Sanders is the one a it's's just could he be the one no letters attached? I don't think if you just, you know, we talk about this all the time, the track record of their coaching staff would say no.
Starting point is 00:55:53 Yeah, I don't know that that's true because I think they did that because I think last year. I'm with you, Adam. I think it's a fallacy. I think when they made the trade for Ajayi, they featured Ajayi as much as most teams do. You know, when,
Starting point is 00:56:06 what was the, the guy that they had in 2018? Oh, yeah. Adams. Adam. Right. Josh Adams.
Starting point is 00:56:17 Right. You know, he had that little stretch. Yes. Sanders last year. Jordan Howard last year. Jordan Howard, they said,
Starting point is 00:56:22 we're giving him more work and he got it. And then he got hurt, and then Miles Sanders got it. I think this is just how most teams operate, though, is that until they find that stud running back, they're going to use some sort of a committee. Well, they found him. Okay, guys, let's finish up.
Starting point is 00:56:38 This is from Cody. Paris Campbell will be a top 15 wide receiver. Bold prediction. That's bold. Did you say that was from Cody or from Paris? Hey, it could happen, right? I'm a huge fan of his. I loved his skill set coming out.
Starting point is 00:56:58 He's going to have to stay healthy to even have a chance to be a top 40 wide receiver. Okay. I think there's some sleeper appeal there. You got a much better quarterback. There is. Great late round appeal. Yeah, I want to see what else they do. They need another guy. From Matt Babinger,
Starting point is 00:57:13 can Dawson Knox be a factor? He has shown flashes, but now Diggs is there. No. He might get four or five touchdowns. From Brandon Meyer, Evans and Godwin are both losers with Brady, likely, and likely Antonio Brown joining the mix. Chris Godwin's going to be a monster.
Starting point is 00:57:32 Super duper star unless Antonio Brown is in the mix. Does Brown push Godwin outside and Brown plays in the slot more? I'd go with Slicker Mover. That would be terrible for Godwin, for sure. I don't know if That would be terrible for Godwin for sure. It's funny. I don't know if that'd be terrible for the Bucs. Okay.
Starting point is 00:57:49 From, uh, from Benny, does Jameis Winston ever play another snap? Yes. Yes. I think he should look at Jacksonville. I think he should look at Pittsburgh.
Starting point is 00:58:00 Oh, I think he'll look anywhere he possibly can. Well, I mean, I'm just like, you know, chances, chances, looking back at him. Chances to be a starter by 2021,
Starting point is 00:58:09 I would look Jacksonville, I'd look Pittsburgh, I would look at New Orleans as my three destinations right now. This is from Keith. I think whichever rookie wide receivers are selected by the Vikings, Eagles, and Raiders will compete for the Offensive Rookie of the Year. Whichever rookie wide receivers are drafted by the Vikings, Eagles, and Raiders will compete for the Offensive Rookie of the Year. Whichever rookie wide receivers are drafted
Starting point is 00:58:25 by the Vikings, Eagles, and Raiders will compete for the Offensive Rookie of the Year. No. You got to take the Raiders out of that one. And Jonathan Taylor Not right. No. Or, hello, Joe Burrow. J.K. Dobbins already won.
Starting point is 00:58:42 Joe Burrow's going to be the Offensive Rookie of the Year. What happens when one of these teams that need running backs takes two of them? No, that's not going to be fun. Why would you say such a thing? From Landon, Teddy Bridgewater and the Carolina Panthers snuck their way to a deal in a move of brilliance. He is a perfect fit for that offense. Bridgewater will make them much, much better.
Starting point is 00:59:04 He's an efficient quarterback. He'll fit in very nicely in that offense. Bridgewater will make them much, much better. He's an efficient quarterback. He'll fit in very nicely in that offense. I don't know if that makes him a good fantasy quarterback. He's going to have to throw a lot in order to do it. It's going to be interesting to see if they draft a guy at six. The Panthers
Starting point is 00:59:19 have six? No, seven. I'm just using seven. Well, it's going to be a competition for those elite quarterbacks. Can't wait for the NFL draft. And can't wait for next week
Starting point is 00:59:32 when we read more of your emails, where we answer your regulator questions. You send them in via Apple Podcast Review or at fantasyfootball at cbsi.com. Dave, Jamie, and Heath
Starting point is 00:59:40 have a great weekend. And also, make sure you're watching CBS Sports HQ for some Fantasy Football Today coverage. And we will talk to you then watching CBS Sports HQ for some fantasy football today coverage. And we will talk to you then. Dave. Nah,
Starting point is 00:59:49 nah, nah, nah. Come on, man. Nah, nah, nah.

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