Fantasy Football Today - Updated Projections and a Mailbag (03/31 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: March 31, 2022

Bruce Arians has stepped down as head coach, but will this change the rankings on Tom Brady or anyone else in the Bucs passing game? After we start with some news items and a little NFL Draft talk, we... get to projections for players that we haven't spoken much about. Is Kirk Cousins the same Top 10-15 QB he has always been in Minnesota, or is there room for more (9:15)? Jamey makes a strong case for Cousins, and then it's on to Tee Higgins (16:00) who looks ready for a big season, but what if Ja'Marr Chase commands a bigger target share? ... What is Heath projecting for Derrick Henry (23:12)? What separates Henry and Jonathan Taylor? And finally, Heath reveals his Josh Jacobs projection (29:50) as we wonder what his role in the passing game will be and if his ypc matters at all ... Jamey has some owners meetings notes (36:50) on the Jaguars backfield, Rondale Moore, Christian McCaffrey and others ... Your tweets, Apple Podcast questions and emails at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @ctowerscbs, @BenSchragg Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:59 BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. This is touchdown. Oh, he's done it again. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, Heath, and Beck. Welcome to the show on this Thursday. Heath's projections. I asked him to give me projections for five players that we don't talk that much about. And he and I are going to discuss Josh Jacobs along with Jamie as well. But, you know, we're going to get into a YPC discussion. I'm just going to enjoy the heck out of it.
Starting point is 00:01:44 Josh Jacobs, T. Higgins, Ezekiel Elliott, Kirk Cousins. These are some of the players that we'll go over the projections for because you know what? I'm tired of talking about the same old players, the same old teams affected by free agency, affected by trades. Let's talk about some fresh names, some guys we haven't spoken all that much about. Also, Bruce Arians is no longer the coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Moving into a front office role, we'll talk about that. Jamie is here. He has plenty of owners meeting notes. You should have seen the thread he had on Twitter. Great stuff.
Starting point is 00:02:09 Very informative. And really just fishing for compliments because so many people are like, oh, you're the best, Jamie. Thank you so much, Jamie. You rule. As long as I did it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:02:19 It was actually very helpful, very informative. So we'll talk about Christian McCaffrey's role and things like that. Good morning, guys. What do you think about Todd Bowles coaching the Bucs? Heath, any change in the Bucs projections? No. I doubt Todd Bowles has very much to do with the offensive production
Starting point is 00:02:37 of the Bucs at all. I would say that's going to be all on left-witch. Maybe there will be a couple of little hiccups here or there, but no changes for me. Let's just make it clear the pecking order of coaches for the Bucs. Tom Brady is the coach. Todd Bowles will run defense. Byron Leftwich will run part of the offense with Brady. And I'm sure things will be status quo. Okay. So you didn't change the rankings or anything like that? I can't imagine that there's going to be much difference. Maybe there's a fourth and one, and Bowles decides to be more conservative than –
Starting point is 00:03:15 fourth and three, and Bowles decides to be more conservative than Arians would have been. But those type of scenarios could unfold as a defensive guy as opposed to no risk it, no biscuit. But Brady's going to have as much say as anything in this offense as anybody would have, including Bruce Arians. And so I don't think you should expect much difference from this team. And Byron Lefkowitz, the offensive coordinator, actually calls the plays, has been calling the plays for a while. So that wasn't even Bruce Arians' role. And there was just one thing that
Starting point is 00:03:46 I thought, maybe this could hurt. You know, Bruce Arians doesn't really care about the scoreboard. He could be up by 20 points in the fourth quarter and Brady could throw a touchdown. So I looked over the last two seasons. Brady threw five touchdown passes in the fourth quarter with a two-score lead. And I don't think that number would be zero without Bruce Arians. But that wasn't very much. Five touchdown passes where you might say, why is he throwing a touchdown pass here?
Starting point is 00:04:15 And two last year, three in 2020. So I think it's nothing and not going to change much. Okay. Some other quick news items. Lamar Jackson. There's been a lot of talk about why aren't they extending him or when are they going to give him a contract? And you saw the owner talking about, well, whenever he wants, basically. Maybe he wants to do Kirk Cousins and just play it out
Starting point is 00:04:31 and pocket a whole bunch of guaranteed money, whatever. Lamar Jackson said it's a false narrative that he's trying to leave Baltimore. So I hope that they can lock him up and he can be there for a while. He will be there for, my guess, at least three more seasons, barring them deciding that they don't want him. Look, he's in a great spot by waiting as long as he stays healthy because what Deshaun Watson just got paid, following the Holmes contract, following Josh Allen,
Starting point is 00:04:58 following Aaron Rodgers, all these guys getting these annual salaries just pushed up and up and up. And look, you know, and look, you can debate Lamar Jackson and what he's been to Baltimore, good and bad from a win loss standpoint, not winning the playoffs, all those things. He's an MVP.
Starting point is 00:05:13 He's still under 25 years old. I believe, you know, the guy's going to, he's the next mega deal, you know? So whatever the case may be, you know,
Starting point is 00:05:22 I don't think he's getting my homes long-term money, but he's going to probably get somewhere close to Deshaun Watson annual money because now the market has been reset. Well, I think the Watson one was absolutely perfect. You're talking about a quarterback who has been phenomenal but really has not accomplished as much as Lamar Jackson. He has only three games over.500. I don't think Deshaun Watson has won a playoff game.
Starting point is 00:05:47 Has he? No. He played the Bills that won. Oh, maybe he has. He went 11 and 5. I think he's won twice. Yes, he did beat the Bills and then lost to the Chiefs by 20. Right.
Starting point is 00:06:01 In 2019. That was a great game, that Bills game. One and two in the playoffs, yeah. Yeah, $230 million all guaranteed for Watson. I mean, Watson got a big deal with the Texans, but then had to switch teams
Starting point is 00:06:13 to get this amazing contract situation. So we'll see. I mean, coming out of the owners, I mean, he's the only thing I think that's holding this up at this point has been Lamar representing himself, probably. But he's betting on himself and he's probably going to end up
Starting point is 00:06:27 paying off as long as he stays healthy. We'd like to see a study how many teams win the Super Bowl with a, after they give that big contract to their quarterback, you know, because it's obvious. It's better to win it when they're younger on cheaper contracts and you don't have to spend so much. You don't have to lose Tyree Kill because he gave Patrick Mahomes a gazillion dollars, whatever it is. By the way, speaking of Tyreek Hill, he says he wants to return some punts with the Dolphins.
Starting point is 00:06:51 He's returned two punts in the regular season in the last two seasons combined and no kickoffs. But is that right? Yeah, one return in 2019 and one return in 2020. Oh, I guess it's the last three seasons. Did he not return any punts in 2021? So that part of his game is gone, but he wants to do that, not full time, but maybe that would boost his value a little bit if you get any points for that in your leagues.
Starting point is 00:07:17 Detroit has the number two pick in the draft. They are open to trading it. Who wants to give a top five? Jamie, you ready to give a top five? Everybody's open to trading in this draft. Nobody wants to be at the top of this draft. Yeah, that's a shame. But I am starting to see mock drafts with quarterbacks going in the top five or six,
Starting point is 00:07:34 like two of them in the top eight. Well, it depends on who you ask and the love of the guys in this class. It's obviously not on paper, even on tape, guys that seem to be difference makers at that position. Now, they could become one. Malik Wills could become one. Kenny Pickett could become one. You can go all throughout every quarterback that's got the opportunity.
Starting point is 00:07:59 But I just don't think that – I mean, first off, I think it's a third of the teams don't even have a first round pick. So, you know, it's, it's a matter of, do any of these teams decide that they want to jump in into the first round? Do any of them want to jump into the top 10? You know, the teams in the top 10 go at quarterback. I was talking to a guy that covers the commanders and I said, you know, did they take a quarterback now that they have Wentz? And he told me no, because they're all in with Carson Wentz
Starting point is 00:08:28 for at least the season, plus there's nobody that stands out for them picking, I think they're at number 11. The Panthers seem likely to take quarterback, but is it going to be a guy that, you know, can change the tenor of that franchise and do it in 2022? So it's just a weird draft class because of the quarterbacks not being that dominant again at least right now Malik Willis you know again could be that guy but it's just hard to say and I don't really know like I I totally get why there's not
Starting point is 00:08:55 a Trevor Lawrence or a Joe Burrow in this class I don't know why Malik Willis isn't viewed the same or better as Trey Lance was. Well, I have a terrible memory. I'm not going to lie to you, but I do believe I asked Emory Hunt that exact question to compare the two. And if you would like to know the answer, check out FFT and five, we did all these prospect breakdowns and, uh, I think we covered that. So I'm going to go back and listen to every episode I did with Emory before we really start talking about the NFL draft, which is less than a month away. And he gives incredible, incredible information.
Starting point is 00:09:31 We did wide receivers. They're actually going to be dropping in this feed. They're already in FFT in five. Wide receiver part one came out this morning. Wide receiver part two will come out tomorrow morning, just a day later in the Fantasy Football Today feed. But tremendous info scouting these prospects. All right, and the Vikings will re-sign Patrick Peterson
Starting point is 00:09:52 to a one-year deal. Cornerback Patrick Peterson, you can hear him on the All Things Covered podcast with Brian McFadden, part of the CBS Sports Podcast Network. Next week, sleepers, breakouts, and busts. The early versions of sleepers, breakouts, and busts on Monday, Tuesday, and Thursday.outs and Busts. The early versions of Sleepers Breakouts and Busts on Monday, Tuesday, and Thursday. I'm excited for that.
Starting point is 00:10:10 Okay, let's do some projections. Heath, you ready for some projections? I cannot wait. I love that you chose the most controversial, wide range of outcomes guy to get started with. I do like that. The most predictable guy in fantasy, Kirk Cousins. You have him at quarterback 14,
Starting point is 00:10:30 but he does have a new coach this year, and I don't know if maybe that changed anything for you. Here is where Kirk Cousins has finished in six point per passing touchdown leagues in his four seasons with the Vikings. Overall, 12th, 14th, 11th, and 9th. So three top 12 finishes. Per game, 18th, 16th, 12th, and 10th.
Starting point is 00:10:51 So two straight seasons, 10th or 12th. You have them 14th, and that is just behind Stafford, a little bit farther behind Rodgers. So you go Rodgers, Stafford, Cousins, and ahead of Tua. What about Fields, Lance, Cousins? bit farther behind rogers so you go rogers stafford cousins and ahead of tua what about fields lance cousins i don't like those guys are not guys that are being ranked in the stafford cousins rogers range because they have a projection that puts them there at least not for me i i those guys all project behind this this tier of pocket passers they should be drafted in the same place if not maybe above because if everything goes right they have top five upside but they were so almost universally
Starting point is 00:11:33 bad as rookies and the situations haven't necessarily improved a lot so i don't have great projections for fields lance or lawrence um but i'd still draft him in that range the one guy who i think's not in that tier that people probably think should be and i'm not even so sure that maybe he shouldn't is derrick carr with davante adams now he's he's actually just the next tier down but it's pretty much rogers stafford and cousins almost indistinguishable i do want to just talk though about cousins and if anything changed for you with the coaching change as you evaluate the guy who's been a very steady high end number two low end number one quarterback yeah i um i upped his projected pass attempts
Starting point is 00:12:17 because like over the last three years even when the rams have leaned on the run they've been less run heavy than what Minnesota's done. So I think he'll throw the ball a little more. Okay. They were 11th in pass attempts last year, but they were 30th and 27th the two years before that. That's Minnesota, not the Rams, Minnesota. Jamie, what do you think?
Starting point is 00:12:37 Do you think that we can just end it if we want here? Do you think Cousins is just easy to rank them or is there something underneath that, you know, that might suggest a bigger breakout or more downside or something like that for Cousins? I think he's actually going to have a bigger breakout. He's my favorite fantasy quarterback in this division, and that says a lot because of the guy that's been the two-time MVP. Kevin O'Connell is going to change the potential of this offense in a big-time way.
Starting point is 00:13:00 Mike Zimmer was holding this team back. You're going to see the opportunity for Kirk Cousins to be in the passing numbers range last year with a more creative offense. You're going to see better tight end play with Irv Smith back. You're going to see more three wide receiver sets with KJ Osborne on the field. I was pissed that
Starting point is 00:13:16 I was driving while I was doing that startup dynasty draft because I had Osborne and Isaiah McKenzie queued up and I hit the wrong button. Osborne was the guy that I wanted. I think you're gonna have a great season out of Dalvin cook. This offensive line is going to still be, you know,
Starting point is 00:13:30 productive. You should definitely take Alexander Madison in case Dalvin cook misses time due to injury, because this is going to be one of the better offenses in football. And Kirk cousins has a chance for, I think statistically his best year yet. So when I update my rankings, I finally get a chance to, you know, come up for air a little bit from this week.
Starting point is 00:13:48 He's going to move ahead of Rodgers and Carr. And I have that right now, 13-14. So still behind Stafford? Yeah, I still think Stafford's situation is a little bit better. But I agree with you. They're all kind of in a similar range. It's basically guys that you know have the chance to throw for a lot of yards and a lot of touchdowns.
Starting point is 00:14:04 They're not going to run very much, um, you know, but in good systems. And I think you see, uh, the Vikings right now, I, I think if things go according to how they would like it to go, which is, you know, obviously the case for most teams, but you know, Packer's probably gonna take a step back and bears still, you know, trying to figure out who they are, uh, lions still trying to figure out who they are, at least getting better at what they were last year. Uh, Vikings have a chance, I think, to be the best team in that division. I think this is pretty interesting.
Starting point is 00:14:29 We should explore this here. So, if I were going to play devil's advocate, I would look at the way Kirk Cousins finished last year. Because the end of 2020 and the beginning, basically the last half of 2020 and the first half of 2021 was ridiculously good for Kirk Cousins.
Starting point is 00:14:46 But he limped to the finish line. He had one game in his last four with more than 18 fantasy points. He had two games in his last six with more than 20 fantasy points. And Adam Thielen was injured for almost all of that. And I don't know if that's a coincidence or not, but as Thielen didn't play down the stretch, Cousins really struggled. And you've got Thielen, I mean, he's old. And this is devil's advocate. Thielen's aging.
Starting point is 00:15:14 Dalvin Cook may be in the twilight of his career. Is it just a one-man show? I mean, we don't really know that Irv Smith can contribute. We haven't seen that. We hope so. Oh, but I think he's better than Tyler Conklin. Yeah, sure. But I guess the Thiel one thing,
Starting point is 00:15:29 do they have a number two or do they just have Justin Jefferson? I guess that would be my concern. Look, you've got to worry about injury risk, but when you start to talk about receiving cores, and if everybody's healthy, this is going to be one of the better ones because of Jefferson and hopefully taking that step forward that we're expecting to see, you know, a third year receiver finally
Starting point is 00:15:48 unleashing him, at least, you know, in terms of what the target share could be. I mean, you remember the narrative last year was, why aren't they using Justin Jefferson more? And then Mike Zimmer himself said, you know, we're not getting him the ball enough. I think it was like week seven. And from week seven on, you know, his targets started to rise. His production started to look like the guy we were waiting for. So it has to all come and fall into place. And again, I'm speculating here on how it's going to work, but I like the things that Kevin O'Connell is saying. I like the fact that he's coming from a progressive system
Starting point is 00:16:17 as opposed to Mike Zimmer, who was a curmudgeon-y defensive guy that was going to let his team run the ball and play defense. And this isn't to say Dalico's going to be good. You just get a feel from hearing the things that O'Connell's saying and the things that you're hearing about the Vikings and looking at their personnel. And there's just a lot to like. And so, obviously, Kirk Cousins has been frustrating
Starting point is 00:16:37 as a real-life quarterback for Vikings fans and for people who follow them. But statistically, he's had some good seasons. And in this case, he might have the chance to have a great season. So him, Carr, you want to put Stafford in that group. I just think Super Bowl doesn't necessarily put him in this category. But quarterbacks that you wait for for fantasy, Kirk Cousins is going to win you a lot of fantasy leagues
Starting point is 00:16:59 if things go right for him. Let's go to T. Higgins, Heath. You have him as wide receiver 18. I do suspect he will be drafted before that not much before but uh yeah go ahead with uh with t higgins you have behind in between like amari cooper and mike williams who are 12 and 24 another area kind of like the qb 12 through 15 ish range where like projections wise there's i think a 20 point difference between wide receiver 14 and wide receiver 24 it's um it does not take very much to move guys i think we'll see a pretty similar year for higgins as we saw last year obviously we hope
Starting point is 00:17:42 that he plays three more games he He only played 14 last year. I would not be surprised if the efficiency regresses just a little bit. The 9.9 yards per target he averaged is pretty outlandish, but he has Joe Burrow as well. The question is if the pass volume goes up, how much do his targets go up? Or Jamar Chase in his second year, does he see a boost in what he saw in his target rate as a rookie? And that's kind of what I expect is that Higgins' targets stay just about the same,
Starting point is 00:18:11 that they do have some increase in pass volume, but that's mostly taken up by Jamar Chase making another improvement in the second year. Jamie, it's wide receiver 18 in the projections, but as Heath said, very bunched up. Where do you have T. Higgins, and what do you think? Just outside of top 12. Some of that will change with Godwin's health and potential suspension for Deshaun Watson in regards to Cooper. But I think Higgins is a borderline number one receiver,
Starting point is 00:18:38 but probably not far off from where Heath expects him to finish, just as you said, jumbled up. So anywhere from 13 through 18 I think is fair. I do think, though, he's the type of guy that is going to be a little unnoticed because of the guy that he's playing opposite with, but has a chance to maybe be better. We saw that stretch at the end of the season last year. He was outproducing Jamar Chase.
Starting point is 00:18:57 So Chase is going to get all the attention from opposing defenses, rightfully so. I think it's a matter of does Hayden Hurst step into CJ Uzama's role and, you know, get the same type of opportunities that Uzama was getting at the end of the season and when he was healthy? Does Tyler Boyd maybe take a step back because you have these two dynamic playmakers on the field as well? This is going to be a better offense, which says a lot because they made it to the Super Bowl last year, but the offensive line is going to give Joe Burrow more time. And so with the more time, does it lead to, as Heath has said time and time again this offseason, more passing opportunities? Do they allow him to be a little bit more of a dynamic playmaker in terms of Burrow?
Starting point is 00:19:33 And what does that mean for the receivers? I think with the Bengals, clearly they're chasing Super Bowls, but you start to see, especially with an offensive-minded head coach, you start to say, okay, let's let this guy chase legacy a little bit and chase MVPs and chase those type of things. The division is going to be better, so there'll be more competitive games. I think you'll see a better offense clearly from Baltimore with the healthy Lamar Jackson and a better run game. So we can see some bigger games there.
Starting point is 00:19:58 I know Joe Burrow had some big games against the Ravens defense last year, but still I think you get more maybe back and forth there. Brown's games can be a little bit more competitive. So more throwing opportunities as well. So I think T Higgins is a good spot. You know, he's the type of guy that if you go running back, running back with your first two picks,
Starting point is 00:20:13 you can get to round three, maybe even round four, depending on how, you know, the draft is going and he can be your, you know, your one or your two. If you don't focus on receiver early,
Starting point is 00:20:21 I love drafting T Higgins. I think he's going to have another solid season and maybe be even better if he can stay healthy, as he said. And he's been so productive when Joe Burrow has been healthy, you know, that rookie year. Just look up to the Washington game when we got hurt right before that on pace for 1,281 yards. T Higgins was with Joe Burrow in 17 games. So, well, that's not including week one where he barely played and didn't have any stats.
Starting point is 00:20:46 But even if I did include that, he would have been on pace for 1,139 yards as a rookie with a rookie quarterback. And then this past year, he was so good. Yeah. Do you want to jump in there? No, I actually asked Zach Taylor about Tee Higgins. And it's funny because I walked up to his podium when he was talking about Jamar Chase. And unfortunately, I asked him the was talking about Jamar Chase.
Starting point is 00:21:12 And unfortunately, I asked him the same question about Jamar Chase, which he said as I went back and listened to some of his comments, the same answer a few times. So I apologize for being redundant there. But then I asked him about T. Higgins and he said, you know, he got caught up in all the COVID stuff in terms of, you know, not having an offseason in his rookie season, you know, not being able to, you know, take advantage. They call it the COVID mismatch, mismatch year, you know. And so last year, full offseason, but Burrow wasn't, you know, clearly ready to go. So now he's excited about those guys being on the field from the beginning, you know, from the beginning of minicamp on. And so hopefully that sort of rapport continues to grow. So I think, again, it's something to whether, you know, you're at the middle of the wide receiver two tier as Heath has him at 18 or at the front of it, you know, closer to where I have him.
Starting point is 00:21:52 I know Chris Towers, for example, very aggressive with T. Higgins, having him, I think, as a top 10 guy, if he still does. There's just a lot to like about the situation, but clearly it's about where you're drafting him. I guess if I had two concerns, Heath, for T. Higgins, one you already addressed. Jamar Chase had 128 targets last year. What if he has 160?
Starting point is 00:22:12 What if he gets true number one target share? They're both downfield guys that maybe it won't be like that. Maybe more like Tyreek Hill. And the other one would be the ADOT. He's got like a 12 AD dot t higgins and that might mean low catches you know big plays but not suited for ppr i guess but that was just two things that come to mind otherwise you're talking about the number two guy in a great offense yeah i think the first one i definitely believe the second one, he was on a 90-catch pace last year on a team that was low pass volume. So I don't worry as much about the catches in full PPR. But I do worry that Jamar Chase is just a little bit but i think again we're probably talking about
Starting point is 00:23:05 i've baked some of that risk in and so if it happens maybe he finishes his wide receiver 20 instead of wide receiver or wide receiver 22 i don't know that he has risk to finish as anything less than a number two wide receiver off subject but i i want to in my rankings that don't exist i want to have jamar chase's number one i don't see how you could not do cooper cup at this point i mean he just was so good and he was even better in the playoffs and we're not even going to look at those numbers when we look at 2021 but it's just i want to put chase there i yeah i don't i don't think cup's not the difficult one for me because i could tell myself a story about Cup. It's Jefferson this year
Starting point is 00:23:48 just because I don't think he has as much competition for targets, and I think we should expect there to be more passes in that offense. Okay. Oh, man. I'm going to do it. I don't know. Not yet. Jamar Chase is your number one wide receiver.
Starting point is 00:24:03 It's kind of sad that Adams has fallen and Tyreek Hill has fallen because we really did have a legit top five wide receivers. Those top three are so locked in, should clearly be first-round picks, and there's just so much potential. All right, let's talk about Derrick Henry here. You have him projected as RB3, and I'm guessing one and two are Taylor and Eckler? That's correct.
Starting point is 00:24:25 And it's just absolutely insane when you look at Derrick Henry since the start of 2019, his 17-game pace is 2,100 yards and 20 touchdowns. And 20 catches? 392 carries is his 17-game pace. And so I do think that there is significant risk, but it's hard for me to project too many guys ahead of him in PPR
Starting point is 00:24:53 with the way that he... I mean, yeah, he got hurt last year, but Christian McCaffrey's got hurt the last two years. Well, I guess my question is, why Jonathan Taylor ahead of derrick henry what does taylor have that henry doesn't a few more yeah maybe 20 more catches is not nothing but yeah i guess if taylor's the the number one guy what what does he have that henry doesn't uh 20 catches but is that really that enough because hen Henry's got 20 touchdowns. I've got their yards projection
Starting point is 00:25:26 pretty close. And I think I have their touchdown projection pretty close as well. I don't have Derrick Henry projected for 20 touchdowns. I'm not going to project somebody for 20. If he does that again, then he's just like, whatever. Okay, JB, running back three
Starting point is 00:25:44 projections for Heath for Derrick henry what do you think yeah i mean it's it's certainly fine um i i have mcafree ahead of him because you know of the upside of what mcafree will do if he's healthy by comparison um but you have to clearly you know factor in health for both of these guys you know for for henry you know it's it's not about the amount of injuries that he's had because he's been so, you know, it's, it's not about the amount of injuries that he's had because he's been so fortunate to avoid those. It's just a matter of, is the workload now with an injury coming off of it going to become a problem for him? And is his body starting to, you know, maybe break down? I hope not. I'm not going to draft him as such. I'm not going to
Starting point is 00:26:19 rank him as such, but for bigger running backs, the history tells us that, you know, this is the point of his career where everything is going to start to catch up with him. So he's been an alien, you know, he certainly avoided those things and proven to be, you know, immune to them for the most part.
Starting point is 00:26:33 And, and look to his credit, uh, the game where he had the foot injury, he played through it. And I'm sure if it was up to him, he probably would keep playing, you know,
Starting point is 00:26:39 the Titans were clearly trying to protect them and get him back to the playoffs. So, you know, I think he's going to have another special season. It is interesting, though, to compare him to Taylor because of what those two guys have done and their body of work, you know, Taylor in two seasons, Henry, you know, over the last four, actually spoke to for a story I'm doing for either our magazine or definitely on the site,
Starting point is 00:26:59 a profile on Jonathan Taylor. So I spoke to their running backs coach yesterday, Scotty Montgomery, and I was asking him in regards to Frank Reich's comment at the owners meetings about Naeem Hines having a bigger role. And what does that mean for Taylor in the passing game? And he said, you know, that Taylor stepped up from year one to year two and pass protection showed that he could be, you know, more useful as a receiver. Um, obviously you have to factor in what Matt Ryan does versus what Carson Wentz does. Wentz never really throwing to his running backs. Matt Ryan certainly is going to do that.
Starting point is 00:27:27 But he said, uh, they want to have both guys on the field as much as they possibly can. You know, and I think when you look at the receiving core for the Colts, it makes sense to have nine lines on the field a little bit more. Um, he didn't say that Heinz's role is going to come at the expense of Taylor and what he does in the passing game. But I think we can all expect that, uh, Taylor probably loses a few catches if Hines is going to play a little bit more in some of those situations. So I don't know if Taylor necessarily has a 20-catch edge over Derrick Henry. I'd probably say it's down to 15 now if I was going to look at it
Starting point is 00:27:56 based on that conversation. But I still think you've got to factor that in, that he'll touch the ball maybe the same amount of carries, maybe a few more times in the passing game, and touchdown potential, rushing potential, clearly about the same. Well, yeah, I mean, as far as the touchdown potential, he scored 20 last year. So I don't know that Henry really has a huge edge on him in touchdowns. But in Henry's favor, if you wanted to rank him number one,
Starting point is 00:28:18 and I kind of forgotten about this, the first seven games last year, he was on pace for 44 catches. Yeah. He had 18 catches in the first seven games last year, he was on pace for 44 catches. Yeah. He had 18 catches in the first seven weeks, and 18 catches used to be his 16-game total. Yeah, they fell off very quickly, though. That was also with A.J. Brown and Julio Jones in and out of the lineup for those few games as well.
Starting point is 00:28:40 So I would think that those two guys, well, not Julio, but Robert Woods healthy, A healthy uh aj brown healthy upgrade at the tight end austin hooper you know should be better than what they had there if things go right for him um i think the thing that's in in favor for both jonathan taylor and naeem hines is clearly matt ryan because you know you're getting more of a statue quarterback not that wentz was moving very, but Wentz just didn't have that as part of his DNA to throw the ball to his back to the same level. I think that Matt Ryan will prove to, especially in Frank Reich's offense.
Starting point is 00:29:11 Even if Taylor maybe loses some obvious passing down work, because Hines is going to be better in that regard, he still may be close to the passing, the reception total that he had last season. Maybe even my down rating by five could be off. Also, we saw a huge drop in yards per carry for Derrick Henry, the reception total that he had last season. So maybe even my down rating, you know, by five could be off. Yeah. And also we saw a huge drop in yards per carry for Derek Henry, which was predictable because now every single, all eight members of the 2000 yard club have lost at least a yard per carry
Starting point is 00:29:35 the following season. And I'm just, I was doing this actually, while you were speaking, looking at, uh, all of the other previous seven. And if they ever bounce back to the yards per carry they had
Starting point is 00:29:46 in that 2,000-yard season. And almost none of them did. I think I have one more to look at. Well, yeah. I mean, 5.4 yards per carry in YPC for life in 2020 was his career high. Yeah, but it wasn't even close.
Starting point is 00:30:00 Almost none of them got back to pre-2,000-yard season form. But there are some circumstances. Some of them got back to pre 2000 yard season form, but there are some circumstances. Some of them, it was like really late in their career and whatnot, but, um, but any,
Starting point is 00:30:12 yeah, I mean, but, but he averaged 28 carries per game. Derek Henry, it was insane. So if he doesn't do that, if he averages 20 carries per game or something like that,
Starting point is 00:30:23 20, what, how much you have him for? Uh, I've got him for 380 carries what am i supposed to do that math that's what 23 23 games all right that's a lot that's a lot but i guess that's what he was 23 and 2020 23.6 okay all right so yeah let's get back to that, but hopefully he can get back up to five yards per carry, which he had been at before last year. Okay, I'm going to do one more here,
Starting point is 00:30:53 and let's do Josh Jacobs. So Heath just always loves Josh Jacobs. That's just kind of his thing. I don't think I love Josh Jacobs. I've got him 18th at running back, and he pretty much always finishes better than that. I was going to say, Heath always loves Josh Jacobs. I've got him 18th at running back, and he pretty much always finishes better than that. I was going to say, Heath always loves Josh Jacobs, but not so much in the projections.
Starting point is 00:31:10 I don't know if I was going to say that, but yeah, RB17, he is, I think, a steal right now in the drafts that we've been doing. People don't seem to like Josh Jacobs that much. Did he go in the third round in our most recent one he went in the fourth round
Starting point is 00:31:28 so where should he go um I think round three yeah round three okay the big question is like we saw that massive increase in his role in the passing game last year and he caught 54
Starting point is 00:31:44 passes in 15 games. Josh McDaniel shows up, has a long history of throwing to his running backs, but almost always throwing to a third down back and not the guy that's carrying the load on early downs. And so if Jacobs loses that, now he might gain some touchdowns because the other thing, and it's hard to gain too much. He scored nine last year, but the other thing is Patriots running backs have always scored a bunch of
Starting point is 00:32:09 touchdowns. Um, but I, I worry that his volume in the passing game is going to either go to Kenyon Drake or Brandon Bolden or, or someone not yet named. Yeah, but he,
Starting point is 00:32:22 he has been, I'll give you Josh Jacobs per game. And one other thing, like he has been i'll give you josh jacobs per game in one other thing like he has been according to statistics not good as a pass catcher he averaged 5.4 yards per target last year 5.3 the year before 5.5 for his career six is generally viewed as about average for a running back and two straight years he hasn't been good as a rusher. He breaks off almost no big plays. He doesn't have a carry. Two straight years, he doesn't have a carry longer than 28 yards.
Starting point is 00:32:52 And I'm sorry, but his yards per carry is terrible the last two years. Well, four is not terrible. It's not good. Four is not that good. It's not elite. It's about average. Not even close. It's about average.
Starting point is 00:33:03 When you talk about fantasy running backs that really make a difference, it's way below average. I mean, if you're comparing him to scrubs, then sure, it's average. But it's not very good. But he was really good as a rookie. Yeah, I don't agree with that. And I don't know that it's him. Because as a rookie, he had eight carries of 20-plus yards.
Starting point is 00:33:22 I think he's had five in the last two years combined. We've heard the previous regime talk about how it's not his fault. It's the offensive line has to get those secondary level blocks and things like that. And I could buy that because we know their lines, you know, hasn't been so great, but he has been an inefficient running back. Can we at least agree on that? He has been an inefficient running back in both the run game and the pass game.
Starting point is 00:33:43 I just don't know. Like Alan Camaro was at 3.7 last year. on that. He has been an inefficient running back in both the run game and the pass game. I just don't know. Alan Kamara was at 3.7 last year. Najee Harris was at 3.5 or something. 4.0 for Antonio Gibson. I think 4 is pretty close to average. It's not that good. I'm not saying it's good. I'm saying it's very close to average and you keep saying it's
Starting point is 00:33:59 not elite. You're saying the same thing. Okay, fine. That's fine. His passing game does matter, but he he dominates carries inside the five yard line for this team i mean nobody touches him he's the guy so jamie with davante adams does davante adams help josh jacobs and if so how much well i i think also one thing that we've noted you know in josh jacobs career is how he performs wins versus losses you know and and this team should hopefully be better but the division is going to be so tough Also, one thing that we've noted in Josh Jacobs' career is how he performs wins versus losses. And this team should hopefully be better, but the division is going to be so tough.
Starting point is 00:34:34 So does that necessarily mean that they're chasing points in some cases, which probably won't be great for him? But also, if they're in competitive games where they're playing with a lead and maybe the Broncos are chasing and the Chiefs are chasing, but they come back and it's a great game. Jacobs should still get a heavy workload there. The McDaniel situation is very hard to figure because, as you noted, Heath, it's usually been a third-down guy. Has he had a running back to Josh Jacobs' caliber? You could say maybe Damian Harris could have been that guy if they allowed him to, but it's hard to say, especially since, you know, both guys, you know, similar type of pedigree from the schools that they played it or schools they
Starting point is 00:35:10 played it. I think in the thing I struggle with is Josh Jacobs is the it's the tier that he's in, at least for me, of David Montgomery and Aaron Jones and James Connor and Leonard Fournette. And, you know, once you get past, you know, hopefully Javante Williams stays ahead of that group, but it's that, that those guys that have very positive situations, you know, if things go right or some questionable situations, you know, if things just don't necessarily pan out for them.
Starting point is 00:35:37 So when you get to as early as the, the, the beginning of round three, maybe the back end around two through that third round and how you built your team, which I think is in the case of the one draft you're referencing, Adam, which is why Josh Jacobs fell, because there wasn't really a big run on running backs in the third round. It really was the early part of end of round two, early round three, and then it was a couple guys, and he just didn't happen to be in that group. I think Jacobs is going to make a lot of fantasy managers happy
Starting point is 00:36:02 based on the value that he's going to bring you where he gets selected, especially if he does fall in round four. But as a lead running back for the Raiders right now, I think he's in a good spot. I think the offense line is still something that they have to focus on, but this team overall should be better, and I think that will benefit him in a big way. What do you think about this guy trashing me in the chat?
Starting point is 00:36:23 Have you noticed that Jamie and Heath seldom agree with Adam's assertion and they always look irritated with him? Are you irritated with me? Currently? Yeah. I guess so, Donnybrook. You're onto something here. All right, we're going to take a break. When we come
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Starting point is 00:37:46 We heard from Dave a couple of days ago, some of his big takeaways from the owner's meetings. Terms and conditions apply. Visit amex.ca slash business platinum. Doug Peterson's comments. Well, I mean, it all makes sense. You know, ETN, the reports were, he was, you know, going to be ready for the start of their off season work. You know, Peterson, you know, kind of confirmed that, uh, Robinson, given the nature of his Achilles injury, you know,
Starting point is 00:37:51 probably not going to be ready at the earliest until, you know, training camp and closer to the season. I would guess at this point, you have to plan for him to be on the pop list. you know, it was really more about, uh,
Starting point is 00:38:03 what he thinks of ETN. You know, he, he said something, I didn't include this in, in the tweet that I sent out, but he said that they're going to build on the things because the same running backs coach Bernie Parmarly is the, is the running backs coach there. So they're going to build on some of the things that they did with him before the foot injury and using him in a variety of ways.
Starting point is 00:38:19 You know, I think if you look at Peterson's track record, he likes throwing the ball to his backs. Uh, another reporter asked, you know, is he strictly going to be a running back? I'd ask him, you know, can you envision him as the lead back? He said, we do. And then there was a follow-up question. Will you also be creative with him and maybe not use him strictly at running back? And I would imagine if James Robinson is healthy that they would like to move him around
Starting point is 00:38:38 and do some of the things that he was drafted to be and some of the things we saw maybe from at Clemson. So there's a lot to like about Travis Etienne's situation. You know, this is going to be a much better offense in Jacksonville to what degree we'll find out, but better offensive line, you know, better production out of Trevor Lawrence, better coach clearly with Peterson. And so if Etienne is that lead rusher, you know, potentially for six weeks, if Robinson on the pup list, we'll see how they, you know,
Starting point is 00:39:00 backfill that running back room. But I think Travis Etienne has an opportunity to maybe run away with the job if things go right for him early in the season. And then Robinson, I think, still has plenty of value if he can get back on the field a la Cam Akers and come back sooner than later. But we know that that injury hasn't necessarily been very helpful
Starting point is 00:39:17 for a lot of players, certainly in that position. Akers sort of has been more of an anomaly than anything else. Would you rather have Travis Etienne or A.J. Dillon? Etienne. Etienne. Would you rather have Travis Etienne or Elijah Mitchell? Mitchell.
Starting point is 00:39:41 I would rather have Etienne in PPR, Mitchell in non- non-ppr all right let's talk about i don't know how much we have to get into this but it's funny we spend a lot of time talking about what pete carroll says yet we know that nothing pete carroll says really matters but they seem to want dk mech have to stay so heath all the you know we love dk we want to keep them we intend to keep them all that from a dynasty standpoint what should we do with this information? I mean, right now him leaving has to be one of the top
Starting point is 00:40:11 two options. The other one being the Seahawks getting a quarterback. I've not moved him at all. Like you said, I'm certain that Pete Carroll does want DK Metcalf to stay. I don't know if that tells us anything about whether DK Metcalf is going to stay. Jamie, Denver head coach Nathaniel Hackett wants his wide receivers to play all over the field.
Starting point is 00:40:32 And I would really welcome that. I do not want Jerry Judy to just be a slot guy. But what did you make of this? I mean, I kind of expected it. So I think you'll see in two receiver sets, probably receiver sets, you know, probably Tim Patrick off the field, you know, duty would be on the outside, you know, with, you know, whatever focus on Alberto. I think in three receiver sets,
Starting point is 00:40:55 Judy probably makes the most sense to be inside, but I think they'll move Sutton around. I think they'll move Patrick around. I think they'll give those guys different opportunities to sort of, you know, learn different roles and see where they thrive. But, you know, it's nice to see, and I asked Tackett to sort of, you know, learn different roles and see where they thrive. But, you know, it's nice to see. And I asked Hackett this as well, you know, and I think I mentioned this on a previous show that I spoke to Cortland Sutton. But to see that Russell Wilson and Cortland Sutton are already throwing and Jerry Judy now is out there throwing with them.
Starting point is 00:41:16 Like they're not waiting until organized team activities. They're ready to get that rapport established. And Hackett's one of these guys that when you talk to him, he's very positive and very excitable. He just exudes this feeling that this is an offense that you want to gravitate toward because things are just heading in the right direction.
Starting point is 00:41:35 It'll be fun to draft these guys. I still think Judy is the best one, but I don't think Sutton should be far behind. I think Patrick, as we've said time and time again, may end up being the best value of these receivers just based on his opportunity to be the third guy in what should be a very productive offense.
Starting point is 00:41:52 Cliff Kingsbury spoke about Rondell Moore and, based on the comments, seems committed to getting Rondell Moore more involved. Did you feel like you got a reason to move Rondell Moore up in your rankings, Jamie? Yeah, I think just the two things. One, and this was kind of a theme, you know, and I didn't want to bring this up with Jamar Chase per se, but Zach Taylor was asked about, you know, Jamar Chase in this role, and I asked Rondell Moore about this role,
Starting point is 00:42:19 and I think you heard it with several other receivers about, we know it's a copycat league, and what the 49ers did with Debo Samueluel especially since there's so many you know clones of uh the mcveigh coaching tree essentially but you know the kyle shanahan you know mcveigh guys uh that they're going to try and put these guys in the backfield more and ron delmore makes a ton of sense you know i asked uh clings kiff cliff kingsbury i always butcher um because we we know Rondell Moore did a little bit of that in college, that he said, absolutely. We saw what Kyle did with, he said it unsolicited, we saw what Kyle did with Debo and how successful it was.
Starting point is 00:42:53 And Rondell Moore, we have to put the ball in his hands. So he said he's going to step into the Christian Kirk role. He said there was a number of situations last year in regard to Hopkins and Kirk and A.J. Green being on the field and being ahead of him. But now this is Rondell Moore's chance to hopefully take a bigger role, take advantage of a bigger role, run some different routes, maybe touch the ball out of the backfield a little bit, especially if they don't bring in somebody to fill Chase Edmonds' role as the pass catcher out of the backfield.
Starting point is 00:43:18 So Rondell Moore, I think, is somebody that has the potential to get the rocket ship emoji and be fun to draft this year based on, hopefully, a week one start from Kyler Murray with no holdout, and this Cardinals offense really needing him to take that big step forward. So it sounds like he's going to be Debo Samuel plus Christian Kirk plus Chase Edmonds, which is going to be an absolute monster. But more importantly, did you ask Cliff what he thought of the nickname Placebo Samuel after he referenced Debo in his answer? I did not. Sorry, it was not. That's disappointing. That's really disappointing. I bet you he would have been like,
Starting point is 00:43:55 yeah, it's fine. Yeah. And finally, Matt Rule said that Christian McCaffrey, quote, we can always move him around and utilize him, but at the end of the day, he's a back. You can do a lot of things with Christian, but to take him out of the backfield, to me, is taking away what he does best. I don't want to... We can just leave it at that because we have not saved enough...
Starting point is 00:44:16 Go ahead. I asked Matt Rule does he ever just close his eyes and envision what it would be like to have McCaffrey for 17 games? You know, and he said, you know,
Starting point is 00:44:27 we're expecting that this year. He talked about, you know, the type of injuries that he dealt with. Then there was a follow-up question in terms of, you know, keeping him healthy. Would you want to take him out of the back foot and maybe make him more of a
Starting point is 00:44:36 slot option? And he said, you know, he was asked about that last year. He talked about that last year and he said, you know, the comps of what Christian McCaffrey is and will be, if he's healthy,
Starting point is 00:44:48 you know, Marshall Falk, he referenced Edmund Smith. I didn't get that one but marshall falk makes a lot of sense that you don't take him out of what his natural role is you know so i don't think you should expect to see a deontay foreman or whoever else they bring in or tuba hubbard you know as as the primary running back and christian mccaffrey split out wide uh that just would would not be something i think matt rule is looking to do, if Matt Rule makes it through the season, because he's probably the most likely coach to get fired early in the year if things go wrong. Now let's read some tweets and Apple podcast questions and emails.
Starting point is 00:45:16 Our email address is fantasyfootballatcbsi.com. That is the letter I, fantasyfootballatcbsi.com. Here's a tweet, though, from Michael. I keep waffling on whether Saquon is a buy or a sell in Dynasty. What say you? Depends on the price. Okay. I would be more apt to buy as a contender. I would be more apt to buy as a contender i'd be more apt to sell as as a rebuild um i think the problem is
Starting point is 00:45:48 that you know people still value saquon differently you know if you're buying him you're trying to buy him cheap with the idea that he's done and if you're selling him you're still holding on the fact that well when he's healthy he's got a chance to be still a special talent so he's just kind of in that gray area for for the fantasy manager either with him or trying to acquire him. And that's, I think, the problem in trading him is that, you know, both sides have certainly different views on Saquon Barkley. And it's like he is a player who could have three good games to start the season and really increase his value in terms of dynasty. We see a month of old Saquon and people are going to get more excited.
Starting point is 00:46:23 But he's also a running back who's, what, 26. He's probably going to get more excited, but he's also a running back. Who's what? 26. He's probably going to get less valuable moving forward. Um, I, I, in terms of draft capital,
Starting point is 00:46:32 I think he's worth about this seventh or eighth pick. Um, I might pay a little more for that if I was a contender and I might take a little less for that. If I was a rebuilder, I think what you said there was, was appropriate. Like if you're like if you're
Starting point is 00:46:45 if you're looking to acquire Saquon Barkley and nobody is necessarily shopping him but you're looking at the team and saying okay that doesn't seem like a very good dynasty roster that you
Starting point is 00:46:54 wait until the season unfolds and if he gets off to a slow start then you know you you pounce with the hope that he's gonna you know maybe bounce back as the season goes on but also if you feel like your
Starting point is 00:47:04 team's in really good shape and you can give up a first-round pick, you pony up for it and say, okay, I hope that this is going to be sustainable throughout the course of the season. So it feels like more of an in-season trade than a pre-season trade. I don't know if you guys care about this with Barkley, but if I'm projecting who's going to have the number one pick in the draft next year, the Giants are right there. They are clearly tanking.
Starting point is 00:47:23 They are going to be terrible. I mean, the Giants are right there. They are clearly tanking. They're going to be terrible. I mean, beyond terrible. I mean, I just hate running backs in that situation. But obviously, he has to do a lot in the passing game. Do you think they're tanking? Oh, absolutely. They didn't re-sign Logan Ryan, or they cut Logan Ryan, just for no reason. Basically, it wasn't expensive. They're going to trade James Bradbury, or they're going to cut him.
Starting point is 00:47:50 He's not going to be on the team, so that's two starters in their secondary. They are awful. They know it. They are not spending money. They didn't have any money to spend. They are trying to get the number one pick. I mean, they're trying to put themselves in contention for the number one pick. I mean, they're trying to put themselves in contention for the number one pick.
Starting point is 00:48:07 They're going to have a new quarterback in 2023, and they suck. They also have the capital. If the rookies that they draft make impacts, that might be tough to do. But they're going to draft offensive linemen. Which could make an offense very good quickly. Not too rookie.
Starting point is 00:48:23 I don't know about too rookie offensive linemen. Typically, rookie offensive linemen don't really do that. But, I don't know. They suck. Anyway, Apple Podcast questions. Imagine taking Andrew Thomas over Tristan Wurst. Andrew Thomas is really good. He's arguably their best player.
Starting point is 00:48:39 I would say he is their best player. Maybe Xavier McKinney. Apple Podcast from Joe. Maybe Xavier McKinney. Apple Podcasts from Joe. Maybe Saquon Barkley. Just wondering what Clyde Edwards-Elair's value is in a dynasty league, in a 14-team dynasty league. A late 2022 pick or better to hold him for now? Or a late first round 2022 pick or better to hold him now?
Starting point is 00:49:00 Clyde Edwards-Elair. I wouldn't take pick 13 or 14 for him. I think he's in that 10 to 12 range in terms of pick value. I think that this Ronald Jones thing could be good for him if he actually gets all the work in the passing game like I suspect he should. Okay. From D Tran, I'm in the third year of a one QB half point PPR league with three flex bots. I haven't made the playoffs the first two seasons. So trying to rework my team.
Starting point is 00:49:30 I have a big boy trade offer. I want some insight. The offer is my Jamar Chase and Austin Eckler. No. Yeah. For Elijah Mitchell. This is terrible. Elijah Mitchell, Ramondre Stevenson. It's not terrible.
Starting point is 00:49:44 Terry McLaurin, Deontay Johnson. this is terrible elijah mitchell remandre stevenson it's not terrible terry mclaurin deontay johnson 1.8 a 2023 first and a 2024 second chase and chase and eckler for all that yeah well i mean he you said that this could be the year where Eckler falls off, right? So is Chase worth McLaurin, Johnson and a first this year? I would say yes. This is not as bad as I thought. The problem is like, if I would assume like,
Starting point is 00:50:22 I would like to trade Eckler in this situation. If you want to see what you can get for Eckler. I don assume, like, I would like to trade Eckler in this situation if you want to see what you can get for Eckler. I don't understand trading Jamar Chase. But the problem for me is you're giving up the two clear best players in the deal. And I guess right off the bat, it's a one quarterback, right? Yeah. So let's say right off the bat, the eighth overall player right now is running back three,
Starting point is 00:50:51 wide receiver five, maybe. Okay. Or four and four, you know, however you want to split it. That player alone is not better than either of the two by itself. Is McLaurin and Johnson with new quarterbacks and that player
Starting point is 00:51:07 worth jamar chase um so i have mcclure and johnson let me find johnson because i want to see how close i have them um so You're adding a third. That's very close. By the way, it's half PPR. McCorran, Johnson, and the eighth pick in the draft is very close to Jamar Chase. Now you're factoring. Let's just say that's the trade by itself.
Starting point is 00:51:39 That part of it. Give me the rest. It would be Eckler for Elijah Mitchell, Ramondre Stevenson, a 2023 first round pick, and a 2024 second round pick. And we don't know where the 2023 first is or the 2024 second. So most likely you're giving those two players
Starting point is 00:52:00 is probably going to be to a team that's going to win. So figure back into the first round. So not the most ideal, but Eckler would then be 28, right? Going into his age 28 season? Yeah, I think in a vacuum, that's probably a more than fair offer for Eckler. I just hate giving up the two best players in the trade. Oh, I'm with you. And look, it doesn't seem like you're getting,
Starting point is 00:52:21 because McLaurin may have reached the ceiling, which would be unfortunate to say, and Deontaurin may have reached the ceiling, which, you know, would be unfortunate to say, and Deontay Johnson may have reached the ceiling as well. You know, we just don't know because of how things are changing for those two respective players, but it's not horrible. I would,
Starting point is 00:52:34 I would like to get more in return, but it's not horrible. I mean, you are getting, you are getting players that still keep you afloat, you know, with, with,
Starting point is 00:52:43 you know, Mitchell and, and look, Stevenson may end up being great if, if Damian Harrison misses time. Soloat, you know, with, with, you know, Mitchell and, and look, Stevenson may end up being great if, if Damian Harris misses time. So there's, there's, there's still a lot to like about this,
Starting point is 00:52:50 but it's just so hard to trade you more. Yeah. If this is from Drew, we go to our emails here, fantasy football at CBS. I'll tell you what, ask for a second this year or third this year. Maybe that,
Starting point is 00:53:00 that puts you over the top. If you're giving up Chase and Eckler? No, no, no. The same package, but ask for another draft pick. Maybe this year as well. That wouldn't do anything for me, though. Like a second or a third? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:53:15 It's tough to give up Star. Stars win you fantasy. You're giving up two of them. Maybe getting zero. I think we've covered that trade. Oh, that's a good one. Sorry I dismissed it so easily, D-Tran. Emails from Drew and Buffalo.
Starting point is 00:53:30 Josh, Jim, Joe, and Doug. Those have to be Bills. I don't know who they are, but Josh Allen and Doug Flutie. And Joe. Oh, and Jim Kelly. Forgot about him. Who's Joe?
Starting point is 00:53:44 Bill's quarterback named Joe. Oh, and Jim Kelly. I forgot about him. Who's Joe? Bill's quarterback named Joe. Grade the trade. 10-team PPR Dynasty League. I traded Dalvin Cook, DeAndre Hopkins, Russell Wilson, Clyde Edwards-Elair, and picked 203. Dalvin, Hopkins, Wilson, Clyde, and 203. Dalvin, Hopkins, Wilson, Clyde, and 203. For Javante, Higgins, Mahomes, 103 and 403.
Starting point is 00:54:13 You won the trade. Yeah, I was trying to do all the math here, but I think Jamie's answer is probably the easier way to do it. I'm going to say, what did we say? B plus. Yeah, I mean, look, you gave away obviously good players, but you gave away aging players. And you're getting younger players in return with still some draft capital too. Next email is from... What is the biggest trade?
Starting point is 00:54:40 I'm going to continue doing the math while you guys talk about the next question. Okay, Jeff from a college town north of the Red River. Is that in Oklahoma? Must be, right? Yeah. Dear Alan, Ben, Janet, and Jerome. You know this, Heath. I'm sorry?
Starting point is 00:54:59 Alan, Ben, Janet, and Jerome. I'm sure I do, but I'm not thinking of it right now because I'm trying to figure. I'm doing a lot of math here, Adam. I'm just kidding. Nobody would have known that. They're former Fed chairs. Federal Reserve chairs. Okay, so trade, grade the trade.
Starting point is 00:55:18 Give up Jalen Waddell and a third-round pick in 2023 and a fourth-round pick in 2024. So Waddell and a third round pick in 2023 and a fourth round pick in 2024. So Waddle and a third and a fourth for Elijah Moore and a first round pick in 2023. I'm getting widely criticized and candidly, I felt pretty bad about it since I hit accept. I don't know. I mean, there are just some absolute monsters of trades happening. Yeah, Waddle and a third in 2023 and a fourth in 2024
Starting point is 00:55:51 for Elijah Moore and a 2023 first. So the guy I was doing the math for won the trade by about 40%. Excellent. I'm giving you an A+. I don't know about this one. I mean, it's so hard to gauge because can Waddle with Tua still thrive as the second option? And he may have more targets than Tyreek Hill, and he may have more targets than Tyreek Hill quickly. That would be a surprise, but it might happen. Can Elijah Moore step forward and be that guy for the Jets?
Starting point is 00:56:24 What do you think? You are getting a person in return giving up a third and a fourth. And in rookie-only drafts, that's huge. So I would say you did okay. I'd give it a B-. I would rather have the Elijah Moore side of that deal. Ah, all right. From Sergio, rate the following group of young receivers.
Starting point is 00:56:42 We're going to go rapid fire here, guys. Rate the following group of young receivers for the're going to go rapid fire here, guys. Rate the following group of young receivers for the rest of their careers without saying the word depends. Gabriel Davis, Hollywood Brown, Elijah Moore, Rondell Moore, Tyler Boyd. Diapers. Pampers. Rate them? Yeah, rank them. Caners. Rate them? Yeah, rank them.
Starting point is 00:57:07 Can I just rank them? Yeah, rank them. Okay. Elijah, Hollywood, Rondale, Gay, Boyd. Sure. Okay. That's Sergio. Here's from Chase.
Starting point is 00:57:28 Dear Cody, Rex, Fives, and Hunter. Punt troopers. They are clone troopers, yes. We're switching our full PPR redraft to a Superflex league, and I wanted to know, when in the draft do you switch off quarterbacks and take Jonathan Taylor? Third. Second. First. Who's your first pick, Jamie? Allen.
Starting point is 00:57:56 Yeah, Allen's first. This is from Nick. Would you trade Swift for Akers, Dillon, and Gainwell in a PPR Dynasty league? If you needed, if you had Swift and let's say Mike Davis as your running backs, then yes, I would do it. If you have enough capable options around Swift, then no.
Starting point is 00:58:17 I'll change a little different answer and say no in a 10-team league, yes in a 14-team league, and what Jamie said in a 12-team league. Steve Haddock from Denver, Colorado is in a 10-team league, yes, in a 14-team league, and what Jamie said in a 12-team league. Steve Haddock from Denver, Colorado is in a 12-team half PPR Dynasty Superflex League. What should I do with Saquon Barkley? I'm a top contender. I'm playing to win now.
Starting point is 00:58:35 My other running backs are Gibson, Akers, and then Junk, basically. I have no first-round picks until 2024. I have very little depth at running back. Should I try to hold or flip Barkley for a future first round pick? I'm a top contender and I'm playing to win now. Keep what it said. Yep.
Starting point is 00:58:56 Okay. Yeah. And if you get off to a bad start, then, and he's playing well, you can flip them. What do we always say about Christian Wilkerson? Heath.
Starting point is 00:59:05 Simo. What's that? Simo. Southeast Missouri state. Yeah. But what do we always say about Christian Wilkerson Heath SEMO SEMO, Southeast Missouri State yeah but what do we say I can't stand him because he he always screws up the points per game because he scored like 19 points in one game and so when you look at the fantasy points per game Christian Wilkerson messes everything up yeah he's top 5 so whenever you have to look at
Starting point is 00:59:22 somebody who's 15th or whatever after top 5 you have to look at somebody who's, you know, 15th or whatever, after top five, you have to subtract one because of Wilkerson. Anyway, Matt sent us an email. He says, Hey, Azar, as a Southeast Missouri State University alum,
Starting point is 00:59:33 I just wanted you to know how much joy it brings me every time I hear you guys mention Christian Wilkerson messing up the points per game rankings. It's probably the second biggest contribution my school has ever brought the NFL. Former New England offensive lineman Dan Connolly is our pride and joy
Starting point is 00:59:47 so someone's enjoying it good yeah I never visited SEMO but I did date a girl from SEMO once how'd that go okay okay it was fine ended on good terms good if Taysom Hill this is from Dan from the home of
Starting point is 01:00:04 Aaron Rodgers ex Shailene Woodley. I don't know where that is. Oh. If Taysom Hill was moved to tight end, where would you rank him? Would he be a cheat code tight end? I don't think so. I think the Taysom Hill experiment might be completely done. The only person who ever liked him left.
Starting point is 01:00:25 If you want to lose, that's the cheat code. But no, he's not going to have much value, we don't think. From David, I'm in the third year of a half-point PPR, one QB lead. Ooh, this is a good trade. We should really consider this one for a while. We're going to skip this one. This one is a wrap. So, Jamie, this guy traded Jason Eckler for Elijah Mitchell,
Starting point is 01:00:44 Ramondre Stephens, and Terry McClure and Deontay Johnson. And two first round picks and a second. We're going to have to evaluate this. Okay, listen. So, would you trade Jamar Chase for... I did the emails, shaggerted the Apple podcast question. I didn't realize there was an overlap. My bad.
Starting point is 01:01:01 From Zach. Can't blame Ben when he's not here. I'm blaming both of us. I can do that, right? So Zach is asking about this trade. PPR, Superflex, Dynasty, 12 teams. I give all of my 2022 draft picks, five picks, pick eight in each round.
Starting point is 01:01:23 I get Antonio Gibson and Tom Brady. He's got a pretty good team. Oh, yeah. I think you got to do this. You're a contender now, clearly? Yeah, because he'll have Kyler and Brady at Superflex. He'll have Mixon, Kamara, Najee, Gibson. He'll have Godwin, McLaurin, Thielen.
Starting point is 01:01:44 Yeah, he's a contender, I'd say. Yeah, I do. Is he giving up? All of his 2022 draft picks, which is pick eight in each round. So it's for Brady and who? Gibson. And it's super flex.
Starting point is 01:01:57 I mean, I think Brady's worth Kyler and Lance. Oh, but who's the other one? Lance. I'd do it. I guess so. I mean, the fact that you have Kyler and Lance for next year... Can you Kyler and Brady for the next five years? Yeah, Brady with the Dolphins is going to be good.
Starting point is 01:02:18 All right, from Oda. Hey, Chase, Javon, and Chuba. Oh, I don't know. Grade the trade, 10-team, half PPR. Give up Justin Jefferson, who's worth a second-round pick, and Cordaro Patterson, who's worth a 15th-round pick, and get Jonathan Taylor, who's worth a second-round pick. So Jefferson and Patterson for Taylor,
Starting point is 01:02:44 and Patterson's worth a 15th round pick. The other two are worth second round picks. I'd do it. Yep. A minus. I think, oh, Chase, Javon, and Chuba are Canadians. Javon Holland.
Starting point is 01:03:00 Okay, great. And this is from, I'm sorry, that sounded mean to Canada. I love Canada. This is from Joe. Who do you prefer in Superflex? Who do you prefer in Superflex? Jalen Hurts and Michael Pittman or Justin Fields and Chris Godwin?
Starting point is 01:03:22 There's such a big gap for me between Godwin and Pittman that I would take that side. Yeah, I would too. Great. Thank you everybody for the emails and tweets and Apple podcast questions. Well,
Starting point is 01:03:33 Austin Eckler's worth. We'll talk to you on Monday with another episode. Remember it's early sleepers, breakouts and busts next week. Thank you so much for joining us. Have a great weekend. Make sure you check out the podcasts that are going to be dropping in this feed, but also in FFT in 5 with Emory Hunt, the prospect profiles.
Starting point is 01:03:52 And talk to you later.

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