Fantasy Football Today - Updated QB Rankings! Lawrence Top 15? Who is #2? (05/03 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: May 3, 2021

If Patrick Mahomes is the clear QB1, who the heck is QB2? We start the show with an extensive discussion comparing Kyler Murray, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Dak Prescott and Russell Wilson. Who are you taking as QB2!? ... Jamey discusses what to do with Aaron Rodgers in the rankings (14:00). And we also rank Jalen Hurts, Tom Brady, Joe Burrow and Matt Ryan (22:40), discuss the options in deeper leagues (28:08) and get into Trevor Lawrence's ranking (36:14). Plus some NFL news and notes (41:00) ... Your emails at [e-mail] Want in the Podcast League? Try our NFL Draft contest! https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/permalink/1115877195573244/ 'Fantasy Football Today' is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Google Podcasts, Castbox, and wherever else you listen to podcasts. Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @ctowerscbs, @BenSchragg Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCviK78rIWXhZdFzJ1Woi7Fg/videos Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. What's up, everybody? This is touchdown. Oh, he's done it again. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, Heath, and Beck. What's up, everybody? Let's talk rankings. It's a big week for us. It's rankings week, updating after the NFL draft. Two-man show today, Adam Azer and Jamie Eisenberg looking at Jamie's updated quarterback rankings.

Burning the midnight oil last night with these rankings, huh? Yeah, it was a long night trying to catch up from the NFL draft, but you know that's why we do what we love, right? We've got to keep up with everything that's happening around the NFL. What was the highest spot in your rankings that changed

after the NFL draft? Does that make sense? Yeah. Any position? No, quarterback. Oh, quarterback? probably moving matt ryan up into the top 12 but i also subsequently because of the news that's been happening and just the expectation i moved deshaun watson out of my top 12 so he was probably the biggest faller and matt ryan the biggest riser so nothing from the top five or anything like that? I mean, I moved Kyler Murray from five to four ahead of Doc Prescott.

But I think as I told you in FFT in five, two through five, I think is going to be just a free for all of whoever you like best. And depending on the format and whatever bonuses you might get in your league, that's going to determine, I think, who goes in those spots. I told you before that we started the show,

I was very stressed out today, right? Yes. You don't know why I'm stressed out. So I'm going to tell you, I don't know who to take as the number two quarterback. I'm just very stressed out about it. I, I think I know, I think that I came up with one stat or came up with, I have one stat that's going to help me in four point per passing touchdown leagues. And the statistic real stat or an Acer stat. No,

this is a real stat. I can't find it, but I found it. Um, Josh Allen scored passing plus rushing total touchdowns. He scored 11 more touchdowns than Kyler Murray last year. And he only scored seven more points in four point per passing touchdown leagues.

So I think Kyler is number two in four point per passing touchdown leagues over Lamar. That over definitely over Allen. Well, for now, definitely over Allen. So I'll say probably definitely over Allen over Lamar Jackson. I think he's probably going to be within 250 rushing yards. So that's 25 points. And then the passing yards,

he might have a thousand more passing yards. And that's, how many points is that? 40? No, wait. Four. Yeah. Right. That's 40 points. Four points for every hundred yards times 10. So then it comes down to touchdowns. I don't know, man.

I don't know. I struggle with Lamar Jackson, but he's. So the way I have it right now is six points for passing touchdowns. It's Mahomes one, Allen two, Lamar Jackson three, Kyler Murray four, and Dak Prescott five. In four points for passing touchdowns, I would have it ranked. We don't have rankings for this, but I would have it ranked. Mahomes one, Jackson

two, Kyler three, Allen four, Dak five. Because Jackson was not even a top eight quarterback last year. But you can't forget the ceiling of what he can be. And he showed you flashes of that in the second half of the season when they just needed him to be that MVP guy again.

Yeah. And it's funny because we'll sit here and say, wow, look what Josh Allen got two years ago with the additional weapons. And clearly it was a star receiver in Stephon Diggs. But we're giving Kyler Murray a lot of credit right now for Rondell Moore because we like Rondell Moore. You know, I think collectively our group. I don't even care about that, to be honest with you.

What I'm saying is like, that's the reason I put him ahead of Dak. Oh, okay. Because I do think it's a nice weapon. They gave Lamar Jackson two very nice weapons in the draft. And they took a shot on a guy that is a former first round pick in Sammy Watkins, who, you know, two years ago, uh, helped the chiefs in their Superbowl run, you know,

so they added three wide receivers to help him. And so if he improves as like you said, you know, he's going to throw for a thousand more yards. Well, what if Lamar Jackson because of the way teams playing and because of the work that he's been putting in takes that next step. And it's not a thousand more yards. Maybe it's 400 more yards at most. You know what I mean?

The gap, the gap. Well, I, that's what I wonder if, do we want Lamar Jackson to be a better passer? Because first I know that sounds crazy, but,

and I've had this conversation before, so I apologize. I apologize if it's repetitive. I know what I remember. I don't know what all the listeners remember, but his first 10 games, you mentioned the second half of the season, he missed the one game against Pittsburgh.

It was COVID, right? Yes. And then he came back as the last five games. I thought for sure. I looked it up this morning. He must've been the number one quarterback in fantasy. Unbelievably.

He wasn't Josh Allen was, and that was Josh Allen without, without playing a week 17 or playing like a half a week, 17 or whatever. Um. Lamar Jackson, he last five games, he was the number two quarterback. And that was, he was on pace for almost 1400 rushing yards. He was running everywhere. He only threw 20 times per game. His first 10 games, he threw 27.6 passes per game. and he was the number nine quarterback in four-point, number 12 quarterback in six-point per passing touchdown leagues. His pace was 3,100 passing yards, 920 rushing yards.

He got much better last year when he said, and he himself said it, that he had to go back to his roots, basically, which was just running the ball a lot more. And he actually didn't run all that much more, but he just ran a lot more effectively. So I want Lamar Jackson running. I'm happy that they added players. I just think that's going to make things easier on him.

But I want him running. I don't want him throwing. Yeah, I mean, it's tough. I think the thing you want to see is better production in the passing game than what you got two years ago and what i mean by that is as explosive as they were and they were explosive big plays remember you go back to like that week one game against miami when they had the five touchdowns of marquise brown i think had two of them and they were big plays um that maybe these those things help because you talk to people

around the nfl and and you know you obviously watch the ravens if you if you follow the league they they want to take away the middle against baltimore you want to take away mark shakers you want to take away the running lanes you want to force him to make plays to the boundaries and so that's what baltimore tried to do they tried to get a better player that can go all over the field in Bateman. And they tried to get a guy in Wallace who can make plays down the field to help Marquise Brown. And so if teams are pinching in and he can hit some of those plays on the outside and you're getting some easier touchdowns, his attempts don't have to necessarily go up. But if he goes from what I think at 32 touchdowns in 2019, let's say that somehow, man, with the 17th game, can get closer to 40,

and the passing yards get somewhere in the 3,700 to 4,000 range, which is a huge leap. It's 36, by the way. Okay, 36 touchdowns. He went from 36 to 26. So let's say he goes, he's 36 again, because I don't know if he can get much better than that, but 36 again or anywhere close to 40,

he should still be a thousand yard rusher. And so, yes, it's, it's just, it's just hard to overlook what the ceiling is. Like Kyler still has to do that. And he could don't doubt it,

but Lamar's already done it. And I think that's what, yeah. At least for me, that's what I have. And Josh Allen has had a decrease in his rushing yards, three straight or now, I guess it's two straight. Oh yeah. for me. That's what I have. And Josh Allen has had a decrease in his rushing yards three straight years. No, I guess it's two straight years. But he's doing so good as a passer.

Oh, yeah. He is. That's the thing is how can he do that again? Can the touchdown rate be that high again? It was actually only seventh best in the NFL, but it was still pretty high. It wasn't as high as Lamar Jackson. But we expect Lamar Jackson to have a very high touchdown rate at this point. How does Josh Allen regress?

What does it look like if he doesn't have quite as good of a season? I am happy that they didn't add a running back. We talked about this because he's still the best goal linebacker.

But the other question... On paper. On paper. Yeah. Zach Moskowitz. Yeah, you're right. The other question is, why not Dak?

We never really talk about Dak, but he was the number two. I'm with you. He was the number two quarterback in 2019 in a full season. And then he was number one. Number one in points per game. Right. Number one per game. Now, like I said, the past attempts were outrageous.

Right. And we didn't see a full season of what he could have been because, again, on pace was fantastic. Now, there was some highs and lows in there, not necessarily lows, lows, but there was some big, I think two of the first five games, if you want to throw out the Giants game in week five when he got hurt, but two of those games were like big spikes. But you know he's going to run a little bit, you know, and that's the nice thing.

And hopefully that's still the case coming off the ankle injury, but CD lamb should be better. Obviously Amari Cooper's proven that he's a, you know, legit number one caliber wide receiver, maybe at the bottom end of that scale for what you talk about elite level guys, but he's in the conversation of number one guys, for sure. Michael Gallup still on the team. They're going to have hopefully a healthy Blake Jarwin,

if not Dalton Schultz, so he could play enough that can get capable numbers at a tight end. Speak was catching the ball at a very high level. Offensive line should be fine again. So that's why for me, I had Dak ahead of Kyler and just the addition of Rondo Moore and A.J. Green, don't discount that, pushed him slightly ahead. But I think if you're inclined to say,

I have to get one of the top five quarterbacks, it's a great year to just slow play it and say, I'll take the one that's left to me, whether it's, you know, could be around three. If, if your league takes quarterbacks early around four potentially, you know, and even if you want to extend the conversation, because for me, Justin Herbert is six. If you want to throw him into the mix based on what he showed you as a rookie, that's a great, you know, uh, part of it as well.

But this is why the position just keeps getting better. And, you know, it used to be, okay, there's two guys at the top or maybe three guys at the top. Now we're talking about five guys at the top. Why not Wilson?

Why not? Yeah. Right. Cause his, his rushing yards went back up last year and they drafted a wide receiver. They have three picks and they drafted a wide receiver. They have three picks and they drafted a wide receiver. You know, I think,

I think that pick was sort of telling in that, you know, everybody looked at it and said, okay, what are they going to do with the running back position? Cause Carson's a free agent. Well, they bring back Carson.

You say, Oh no, here we go again. You know, they're, they're going to go back to the ground and pound and play defense and do that whole thing. But then,

like you said, the draft capital was not there and they spent it on a guy that's probably not going to make that big of an impact in their overall passing game, but it's going to help because they lose David Moore. You know, the Josh Gordon thing didn't work out. And so, you know, they're adding depth to their receiving core, but I think it's more about what the philosophy may be. And the philosophy may be, Hey, we're still going to let Russell do his thing.

Maybe now it's not just going to be our first half season. Maybe this, all this talk was actual, just a smoke screen. You know, he was upset. We got the point and we have to make our MVP caliber quarterback, even though he's never gotten an MVP vote,

uh, as happy as he can be. The Packers should have followed suit. Uh, man, there's just so much to say about all of these players. If you look at who's going to throw for the most yards in this group, it could be Dak Prescott,

just passing yards. He had 4,900 passing yards in 16 games in 2019, and he was on pace for almost 7,000 passing yards in his four healthy games. I didn't count the Giants game. He left it with an injury. So I think obviously it's going to be either Allen or Prescott. If you look at the group of Allen, Dak, Kyler, Wilson,

I'm not going to throw Herbert in there for now, just for now. Kyler, Wilson, and Jackson, who's going to throw for the most yards. I think Prescott's probably the favorite there with, I don't know. Let's call him a co-favorite. You're not including Mahomes just because he's first? Yeah, yeah, Mahomes is going to be first. Let's call him a co-favorite. You're not including Mahomes just because he's first? Yeah, yeah, Mahomes is going to be first. Let's call him a co-favorite with Josh Allen. But Allen threw for, what, about 4,700 yards this year.

And Dak, oh, no, 45, 44. That was Allen this year in 15 and a half games. Dak was better than that in 2019. And it looks like Kellen Moore wants to throw. And this is not Jason Garrett ground and pound. This is Kellen Moore as the offensive coordinator. So we saw that in 2019. I think they tried to be that way.

Their defense was also terrible in 2020. And Dak was throwing 50 times a game in the four healthy games. But also, let's take a look at who he played, Jamie. Week one against the Rams, at the Rams. He scored 19 fantasy points. He didn't play poorly. He just didn't have that second touchdown. Remember, he had that long play that should have been a pass interference that didn't

get called on Ramsey. And that ended up being the best defense in the league. Yes. But then he played Atlanta. He scored 41 points. He played Seattle. He scored 32 points. Now Seattle ended up much better, but at that point they were worse than Atlanta. They were the worst of the worst. And then he

played Cleveland. They gave up some of the most fantasy points. And he torched Atlanta, Seattle, and Cleveland. And then week five against the Giants, he wasn't great. 14-21 for 166 yards before getting hurt. So he couldn't have had a much better schedule after facing the Rams. Facing the Falcons, Seahawks, and Cleveland at that point in the season. The Falcons and Seahawks were miserable on defense. And Cleveland had a bad secondary all season long.

So there's that, but you're right. I mean, it's just loaded one through five, maybe one through eight, and we haven't even gotten to Rodgers and Brady. And if Watson plays. Of course, if Watson. Other questions for you here

as we talk quarterbacks. How are you treating Aaron Rodgers right now? yeah other questions for you here as we talk quarterbacks how are you how are you treating aaron rogers right now you know i mean it's coming off the weekend where he uh presumably wants out presumably does not want to be on the team if uh gooden kust the general manager is still there who is uh i guess he feels responsible for drafting Jordan Love. So, you know, you're reading different things. Like I read Peter King's Monday morning column on Pro Football Talk and, you know, it seems as if he's leaning toward Rodgers not being there. Rob Domofsky covers

the Packers for ESPN. I think he's leaning toward Rodgers not being there. It's just hard to assume there's going to be, you know, the trade capital at this point that they got past the NFL draft, because why would they be looking to acquire draft picks at this point when their team is ready to win now? I mean, they are considered a top five favorite to win the Super Bowl, according to Vegas. So the moves they made this offseason spoke volumes to, you know,

keeping everything together, because usually like guys like Aaron Jones walk and they gave him a contract extension. So I think I'm still going to lean in toward Rogers playing for the Packers or not playing at all. You know, so if he goes to a new team, if there is a way to swing a trade and Denver is going to be one of the teams that you hear, the Raiders are going to be a team that you hear and the Dolphins are going to

be a team that you hear any one of those teams. I think he The Raiders are going to be a team that you hear, and the Dolphins are going to be a team that you hear. Any one of those teams, I think he's still a number one quarterback, but his best case scenario, I think, is still to stay in Green Bay and build off what he did last year, even at 37 years old. Well, I guess you could make the case it'd be great if he would go to a team that would throw the ball more because Green Bay is very run heavy. They were 24th in pass attempts. So I don't know what spot that would be.

But he's so efficient. Oh, no, I know. But imagine if you were playing in the Rams offense. They're going to throw the ball more. Almost any team is going to throw the ball more. Imagine if the Jaguars had acquired him or something and their defense is terrible. I don't know if you want him on the Jaguars.

But what if he threw as much as Ben Roethlisberger did? The Steelers threw 130 more times than the Packers last year. So imagine how good he could be. I don't know how much better he could be than last year because he was so good. But imagine if he were in a more pass-happy offense. If you're playing the Imagine game, I think the 49ers were the team that actually made the phone call to the, the Packer said that,

or Gunku said he got one phone call and he quickly said no to a trade. So I think a lot of people think it was the 49ers, not necessarily Denver and had the 49ers given up the third overall pick, whatever other things that would have had to acquire, let's say it was the third overall pick Nick Bosa and maybe some other draft capital for, for Rogers. Let's just say, yeah. Then he goes to San Francisco, plays with those weapons.

Green Bay probably doesn't take quarterback because they drafted Jordan love. They probably take Kyle pits at three. And so imagine how that all could have worked out. If, if that trade actually went through, I'm worried that Jordan love is just a huge, but the reports were so bad last year. Oh, I'm not saying Jordan Love is going to be good.

I'm just saying what Green Bay probably would have done because you would assume if they're... I think they'd go quarterback. Huh? I think they'd take a quarterback there. So if they take a quarterback, then Miami probably still isn't playing because why would you not take a chance on Tua

and see if you can make Tua work? You know, the younger guys, as opposed to taking Derek Carr or Drew Locke. Sure. What would you give up? What would you give up for Aaron Rodgers? on Tua and see if you can make Tua work of the younger guys as opposed to taking Derek Carr or Drew Locke. What would you give up for Aaron Rodgers? If I'm... Well, give me the team. Just draft capital. Let's say we're not trading any veteran players. We're just trading draft capital.

If you're a team... Like, you know, Denver, based on their track record, you know, I know it's George Patton now as opposed to John Elway, but, you know, when they went all in on Peyton Manning, they weren't worried about the future. So, you know, they can mortgage three first-round picks if they want to for a 37-year-old quarterback looking at their roster and what they built. So, you know, there was even some thought that when they took Patrick Sertan

at number nine that it was part of a package to Green Bay because Green Bay went corner as well. So, I mean, I think if you're not worried about your future, you give up three first-round picks, but you've got to be a team that's ready to win now. I don't think the Raiders are ready to win now. They'll give up three first-round picks because they don't know how to draft.

So, but it's probably going to be three firsts. It's amazing what a great quarterback can do, how much better he can make your team. I mean, how, how, how different were the bucks in 2020 compared to 2019? Now the roster was pretty similar,

right? And maybe it was young guys in this, especially in the secondary, getting a little bit better, but it was a better offensive line and it was a better second, you know, Winfield and it was better. Yeah.

Certainly made things better. By the way, they're, they're, they're returning every starter. Every starter from the team that just won the Super Bowl. That's

jaw-dropping. Okay. And they got Kyle Trask. That's right. I like Kyle Trask, man. You watched him all the time. I like him. I understand he's not a super athlete. He doesn't have a cannon.

But, man, he's so productive every week. He's going to be, for rookie-only drafts, while we're talking quarterbacks, let's get back on track here, I guess. He's going to be very interesting in the future. Because let's just say Brady is done. Let's say he wins another one and he's done. If Arian stays and the receiving core is largely intact, you assume probably Antonio Brown is gone,

but let's say they work out a long-term deal with Godwin and Mike Evans is there. If you have Arian still calling plays and that's the receiving core he's throwing to. And let's just say, whether it's OJ Howard or Tyler Johnson or, you know, Scotty mill,

whoever steps up and can fill that role for Antonio Brown. It's a pretty good situation to walk into if he could play. So I'm doing a rookie-only draft right now for a different website. I'm not going to give away the content here. That would be pretty messed up. But I had to choose. It's a super flex league. I had to choose between Davis Mills and

Kyle Trask. My reasoning was Tom Brady is going to play until he is 60 years old, so I went with Davis Mills over Kyle Trask. There's a chance Davis Mills is starting this year for Houston, but Trask went with the next pick.

I'm actually on the clock, so I'm going to make a pick after I turn it to you for our next topic. Before we do that, we do have five episodes this week. I do a lot of these industry drafts. You can say, what's your pick number and what did you pick so far? I had the 10th pick in a Superflex

Dynasty draft. I took Devante Smith with the 10th pick, which I couldn't believe he was there. There was a run on quarterbacks early. Yeah, four of them, four of the top five. I took Terrace Marshall in round two and Davis Mills in round three. Who did you decide between?

Because Devontae Smith is easy, but Marshall was... Marshall and Tony. I went with Terrace Marshall, which is interesting. I just feel like he's got a better chance to become a more well-rounded fantasy receiver than Kadarius Toney, even though Toney was drafted a full round earlier. Davis Mills in round three,

and I'm deciding between Brevin Jordan just to get a tight end, but I really think I've got to take Des Fitzpatrick, who could be the number one, number two receiver for Tennessee. So I'm going to take him right now with the 10th pick. So Devontae Smith, Terrace Marshall, Davis Mills, Desvis Patrick. This is, of course, a team that doesn't exist.

So I can't say I'm strong at this. I'm weak at that. But, yeah. No, I was happy with the picks. All right, Jamie. So, yeah, five episodes this week. Usually we have three. This week we have five.

The fifth one on Friday is going to be a mailbag and probably will break down some drafts that we did as well. So Friday's show, our favorite mid-round picks and a rookie mailbag. Leave your questions in the Apple pod reviews and also listen to the pick six podcast. They've got in-depth grades for all of your favorite teams, breaking down picks through one through 259 from all angles and even offering an early glimpse at the 2022 draft follow pick six wherever you find this podcast i know you dropped it to sean watson in your rankings i get that tell me how you're dealing with all right so the hierarchy is mahomes and then the guys we

talked about in some order jackson murray allen um uh dac herbert wilson and then i'm guessing Allen, um, uh, Dak, Herbert, Wilson, and then I'm guessing Rogers, right? I have Rogers over Wilson right now, but I'll probably change it. Okay. So then how do you deal with Jalen hurts,

Aaron Roger or Jalen hurts, Tom Brady, who everybody's adding weapons in the NFL draft. A few days before the NFL draft, he added Antonio Brown. It was the day before, whatever he had an Antonio Brown, uh,

got him back. Brady hurts, Burrow, Brown. It was the day before or whatever. He added Antonio Brown. Got him back. Brady, Hurts, Burrow, Ryan. Are those your next four? Hurts, Brady, Burrow, Ryan, in that order. And Hurts, you know, I could see putting ahead of Rodgers, for example, if Rodgers is gone from Green Bay, depending on where he ends up. Sure.

So the upside for Hurts, as we saw last year, he could be a monster based on his rushing ability. He could be a 3,000, 1,000 guy, if not better in the passing department. Adding Devontae Smith was huge. So based on what he showed us in that three and a half game sample size, he's got the goods.

The fact that they didn't draft a quarterback tells you that they should be all in on him, despite what they said. I don't think it's going to be Joe Flacco. So I think you look at Hertz and you say, okay, I'll buy into the upside there. Now, if you want to go safe, Brady is safer. Ryan is probably safer. Both those guys have, you know, track records that speak for themselves.

And like I said about Kyle Trask, obviously Brady plays in that offense with those receivers and that coach and you saw what the upside could be last season so uh if you want to tell me Brady over Hurts I'm fine with that um it's really I think you know how you value Burrow compared to probably Brady and Ryan because Brady I'm sorry Burrow prior to the ACL tear was top seven in passing attempts, top seven in passing yards per game. And they just gave him a huge weapon in Jamar Chase, who he's got a relationship with from their time at LSU. So there's a lot to love about what Joe Burrow can be. The offensive line is somewhat of a concern. The fact that they didn't take one in the first round, but they

still addressed it in the NFL draft. So I'm going to take my chances with Joe Burrow as a number one fantasy quarterback. So those are the four guys that round out my top 12. And it might be the case for a lot of people, depending on the order, unless you're in the Trevor Lawrence camp or you're buying into Matthew Stafford or you're buying into whoever the Saints quarterback may be, whether it's Taysom Hill, Jameis Winston, or Ian Book. Yeah, I think that with Jalen Hurts, what you might not know but should know is that not every rushing quarterback is created equal, right? Jalen Hurts could be a 1,000-yard rusher. I'm going to bet, well, that's per 16 games.

Per 17 games, he's a better chance, obviously. I'd bet against anyone other than Lamar Jackson rushing for that, but Jalen, let me compare him to Justin Fields. Justin Fields, in his last full season, he only played eight games last year, played 14 games in 2019. All right, well, let's take the eight games. He played eight games and 383 rushing yards.

Jalen Hurts, in his last full season, played 14 games, 1,300 rushing yards. Jalen Hurts, in his last full season, played 14 games, 1,300 rushing yards. This was in college. And last year, in his four starts, he was on pace for over 1,000 rushing yards. 4,500 passing yards. What's in... Jalen

Hurts was? Yeah, that 16 game. I had him at 3,676 rushing yards. What did you say? If you take out the fourth game. Oh, okay. The three full starts. Oh, yeah. 4,500 passing yards and 1,269 rushing yards.

Yep. Yeah, yeah. How did he pull that off? I don't understand. Okay, so he tore it. Yeah, Arizona, 338 yards, 44 attempts, Dallas, 342 yards on 39 attempts. Yeah. It's just tough. Cause you know, you know, Tom Brady is just a much better player than Jalen hurts. Uh, so there's safety there,

but right. And, and look, you made, you made the joke. I think a lot of people would say probably 50 as opposed to 60, but at some point a 44 year old quarterback is going to look like a 44 year old quarterback. Now he's defying everything at this point because of what he did at 43 going to a new team with no full offseason. So you just have to keep buying it until it doesn't work anymore. But you just never know. The offensive line is great. The weapons are amazing. And he's, you know, if you mentioned the 22 starters, he's getting OJ Howard back, you know, and that guy was a good playmaker at the start of the season. He got Giovanni Bernard on top of it, which is something they didn't have in this offense last year, which is better for him. And we obviously don't like it for Fournette or Ronald Jones,

but it's better for him. And so those two pieces alone just could potentially enhance what he does. And so, you know, he's about collecting rings. Stats don't matter to him anymore, but he still wants to, I think, retire as leader in this, leader in that, leader in this, leader in that. And now that Breeze is out of the way, he's going to have all those records for however long he wants them until Patrick Mahomes maybe comes and takes them. So it just seems as if Brady is still going to get the job done. But I think, you know,

if you are somewhat concerned that maybe you look at Burrow or maybe you'll even look at Ryan knowing the weapons there. But I think Jalen Hurts is in a different category because if you want to buy into the upside of the new quarterbacks in the NFL, you're buying into Jalen Hurts. If you want to buy into safety, knowing that you're not going to get any rushing production, but 4,500 yards and the chance for 40 touchdowns is there for Tom Brady for sure. Yeah. If Jalen Hurts rushes

for 1,000 more yards than Tom Brady, that's 100 points. That's 17 touchdowns, 17 passing touchdowns and six point per passing touchdown leagues. I've done a lot of math here.

I had to use my calculator for that one. I saw you. Yeah, yeah. I figured everyone watching on YouTube did. So I also think that this draft makes the two-quarterback conversation pretty interesting, really interesting. How are you feeling about Tua?

How are you feeling about Daniel Jones? I want to tell you that I think Jimmy Garoppolo, as long as he can keep the job, and I think the fact that they drafted Trey Lance instead of Mac Jones helps Jimmy Garoppolo keep the job. I think he's a good fallback option in a two-quarterback league. Here's a stat that

you'll laugh off because you think it's ridiculous and I don't blame you. But if you just look at what Jimmy Garoppolo did in 2019, the year they went to the Super Bowl, if he had averaged his fantasy points per pass attempt in 2019, and if you had given him that on the amount of throws they had last year, he would have been the number 12 quarterback last year and number five in 2019.

He was great. He's played one full season, 16 games. He's played more than six games once in his career, Jimmy Garoppolo, and a 102 passer rating. I know I said he was great. He wasn't. But his statistics were great. We know Jimmy Garoppolo's not that great of a quarterback.

But this team is loaded offensively. They've got so much talent. So even Garoppolo, I just think the fact that they drafted a project instead of someone

who's going to be potentially ready like Mac Jones really quickly helps him. It just makes him interesting in two QB leagues. And I don't know.

I mean, we can talk all day about who's number two is, but we don't talk enough about, you know, quarterbacks 20 through 25 or whatever. They could have a big impact. So you got him, you got Tua

getting Waddle, and he dealt with a lot last year. Coming off hip surgery, and it was tough circumstances for him, and hopefully the line is a lot better. You got Trevor Lawrence, who you're going to be, it seems like, really high on.

But the position got deeper, Jamie. I think it got deeper in the draft. It absolutely did. The piggyback off of the Jalen Hurts stuff, Carson Wentz with a better offensive line. I know the weapons aren't great, but if he's protected, hopefully he can

make something out of T.Y. Hilton and Michael Pittman and at least do what Phillip Rivers did a year ago. There's a lot to like about the quarterbacks toward the back end of the number two conversation. Again, the Saints guy, whoever that's going to be, if you want to buy into one of them being legit, I think, you know, you're banking on Sean Payton there. But like you said about Tua, and Tua is an interesting tie-in to Garoppolo because, remember, not a lot of people thought Tua was ready because of the hip and not seeing him in no preseason games. And the Dolphins were winning games when they made the decision to make the switch. It wasn't like Ryan Fitzpatrick was struggling.

They wanted to see if they had more of an upside play by going with Tua. And so you could see the 49ers, even if Garoppolo is playing well if they feel Lance is ready they may make that switch the other the other side of that for a positive for Garoppolo is what if he's Alex Smith the year that they draft him a Holmes and Alex Smith wasn't a star but he certainly was good and you're talking for two quarterback leagues I would take that from Garoppolo for sure you know so that's the type of thing you're looking for but I mean let's not forget you have the young guys like you said Daniel Jones he gets Tony he gets Galladay he gets you know Kyle Rudolph what's that for what that's worth he gets Barkley back um so there's a lot of weapons for the Giants and hopefully Daniel Jones takes advantage of it for a quarterback you know will run a little bit um yeah what about Ryan Fitzpatrick

and you know going to Washington and having all the weapons that they gave him Curtis Samuel along with McLaurinorn and Logan Thomas there, they add Diami Brown. That's a team that's got a chance to be really good if Fitzpatrick can play well. You mentioned Justin Fields briefly, but Justin Fields, he's going to run. He's going to have an opportunity to come in and hopefully make some plays. And I'm sure he's going to have a chip on his shoulder for being passed over. Whoever is the starter for the Patriots, if it's Cam, okay, run like you did last year, throw like you did in those first two games, and maybe you get one of the biggest steals in fantasy.

If he's looking at this as maybe his last hurrah to go out and play well, and they just gave him all these weapons. So it's such a loaded position. And so when you're talking two quarterback in super flex leagues, if you're not inclined to say, I want to get one of those top six through 12 through 14, you know, Stafford, uh, your favorite quarterback of all time who you're drafting in every league this year, Jared Goff. Um, that's one guy I'm not interested in, but you know what

I'm saying? Like, you know, if you're, if you're not so inclined to have to reach for a guy, you can, again, wait until, depending on how your league goes, round five, round six, maybe a little bit later, and take two guys back-to-back, whether it's, you know, you get lucky, you get, let's say, a Tannehill or a Stafford and then a Wentz or one of those guys in Fitzpatrick or, you know, two, you want to take two swings for the fences and then, you know, another maybe four guys on your team. So you take Daniel Jones and Tua, which is probably not the best situation,

but if you built a strong team and then maybe one of those guys hits and you take a third guy who can come out of nowhere and play well like a Wentz or a Goff or something, Fields, whoever the case may be. There are so many different directions you can go.

It's just you don't have to reach for Mahomes early. It's different in two quarterback and superflug leagues. I get that, but there's a lot to like about that back-end group. Daniel Jones, I'm going to say this probably several times before we start drafting, 35 career touchdown passes in 27 games. That's awful. And 13 of them came in three games.

So that means 22. Yes. 22 touchdown passes in 24 games. Other than those three games. That's horrible. And I do not like Jason Garrett for Daniel Jones. Remember how good Gallman was? Because they kept pounding the ball.

This could be great for Barkley. And think about Ezekiel Elliott. they kept pounding the ball. Like, this could be great for Barkley. And think about Ezekiel Elliott, all the rushing touches. That's what Jason Garrett does. He's just like, run, run, run that ball into the end zone.

I don't know. Daniel Jones, I don't like the coordinator, but he is interesting because he could be a 350-ish rushing yard guy. I think he was third in the NFL

in rushing yards for quarterbacks before he hurt his ankle and was not the same after that. And they have a lot of talent, but they have a bad offensive line. And the Bengals also have a bad offensive line, Jamie. I don't know how much that factors into your Burrow ranking. Well, you know, I mean, we said it last year

and I was going to say the same thing again this year. You're counting on Jonah Williams to play up to the level, I think, that we saw in college. And the shoulder injury ruined his rookie season and he just didn't have the same type of performance last year that people were hoping for. But they add Riley Reif to the level I think that we saw in college and the shoulder injury, you know, ruined his rookie season and he just didn't have the same type of performance last year that people were hoping for, but they had Riley reef to the other side and, you know,

they drafted, I forget what they took in the second round, but they did spend some capital on, on the offensive line in the draft. So you hope that that unit can be better, but sometimes the talent has to, you know, exceed some of these situations,

you know, it doesn't always work it work out that way, but you know, hopefully that's the case that you see fantasy production as a, but you know, exceed some of these situations. You know, it doesn't always work it, work out that way, but, um, you know, hopefully that's the case that you see fantasy production as a, but you know, he's going to take hits. He's going to get sacked. Um,

and hopefully he can overcome that. So Jamie has Trevor Lawrence, 14th ahead of Tannehill, Stafford, Taysom Hill, Kirk cousins, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Ben Roethlisberger,

Tua, Daniel Jones, etc. But it's basically your top 12, then Deshaun Watson, then Trevor Lawrence. That's ambitious. Dave has him 16th, and Heath has him 15th. Yeah, that's still very ambitious. For me, it's a tough call between... I like Kirk Cousins. So do I.

You have him 10th. And I'm just, yeah, I mean, I don't know. It's not, Tannehill and Lawrence is really tough. And you have them back to back. Lawrence one spot ahead. Heath has Tannehill one spot ahead. Dave has Tannehill. Where is he on Tannehill?

He has Tannehill 14th and Lawrence 16th. So that's really tough. I guess it's Tannehill, Stafford, Lawrence. It's like the three of you have them all. And the Saints guy. I'll throw the's really tough. I guess it's Tannehill, Stafford, Lawrence. It's like the three of you have them all. And the Saints guy. I'll throw the Saints guy in there too. Where the hell does Heath have Stafford?

Oh, Heath has Stafford 20th. Interesting. And the Saints guys. Hmm. Well, what is it that makes you so optimistic about Trevor Lawrence, even if that's an obvious question? Go ahead and discuss. Well, I mean, prospect, you know,

best passing prospect comes to the NFL since Andrew Luck, you know, hopefully he, uh, you know, builds off what he did in college. He's got two very capable coaches working with him and Daryl Bevel as the offense coordinator and Brian Schottenheimer as the quarterback's coach. And, you know, those guys have had, you know, plenty of success with good quarterbacks in the NFL. So the question becomes is, are they going to be a such a dominant run team with Travis ETN, James Robinson? Maybe I'm going to lean against that being dominant. That'd be good, but I don't think dominant. And are the receivers good enough to help them make plays? You know,

there's basically three twos. Marvin Jones is a two. I think DJ chart probably is a two and Louis Cushnell, maybe a best is a two. I think DJ Chark probably is a two. And, Louis Cushnell, maybe at best, is a two. So, there's no dominant guy there, but. Oh,

their dominant guy is coming out of the backfield, baby. Travis Etienne. Yeah. I, I have, I'm kidding,

but he, he is really talented in that regard. Yeah, no, but I was gonna say, like, as a group, it's a good group.

Yeah. And so, you know, you're, and then let let's not forget once they put tebow a tight end you know all systems go baby so um you know lawrence will run a little bit you know he's not going to be jalen hertz or lamar jackson or carla murray those type of guys but you know i think he could be in the daniel jones type of mold of you know run enough to get you those additional points that you like and whatever touchdowns he scores. So I'm going to buy into upside. And, you know, you look at three of the four rookie quarterbacks last year that, uh, were on a lot of people's minds. Um, the two that, you know, that were great with Herbert and Burrow. I think he fits that mold.

He's different than two. He's different than Hertz but you know again we told you what Hertz could have been with his rushing production but you just if you just if you tell me right now that Trevor Lawrence

is 4,027 and 11 which is what Hertz would have been on pace for that's a borderline top 15 guy and then whatever rushing he does on top of it so I don't think

Joe Burrow was great last year for fantasy I don't even think he was top 20. He was somewhere around 20th per game. And he was throwing 40 times a game. But he was unlucky with the touchdowns, though. That's the thing. A lot of rookie quarterbacks struggle with that.

I'm not really sure why. And I'm not really sure it's still a thing. Because rookie quarterbacks, you basically could, used to be able to treat them like rookie tight ends. Just forget about them. But Mayfield was good enough. Mayfield had a record-setting year. Herbert crushed him.

Burrow was good. I don't think he was great, but he was good. Even Daniel Jones. I mean, Daniel Jones... If Burrow was a better prospect, he probably wouldn't have... Yeah, and

rookie quarterbacks have had more success recently. Lawrence is a different mold. But Andrew Luck wasn't very good as a rookie, and this is the best prospect since Andrew Luck. But his rushing totals really should not be overlooked because he rushed for 500 yards in 2019, and last year 563 yards,

and he rushed for 203 yards in 10 games in 2020. So that's going to be a part of his game for sure. All right, that basically covers it, Jamie. We have a few news items to get to. We have some emails to get to. Yeah, was there anything else I wanted to tell you about? I think there was. Oh, that's right, the Stitcher app.

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If you don't have time to listen to the full-length show, you get all that same info in five minutes. Kansas City signed Jarek McKinnon. Does this matter to you? I mean, it's, you know, something I guess you want to keep an eye on just because it could take Clyde Edwards later off the field in some passing situations. And kudos to McKinnon for finally staying healthy in 2020 but I mean he's not a lead runner we've seen that you know and injuries are certainly

been a problem for him so it's it's not like he can't beat out Daryl Williams for the second spot and if something happens to Everett Solaire, you're probably going to see those two guys split time. But if you're in a deep league, deep dynasty league, and McKinnon's available, I'd take a flyer on him just in case, see what happens. Detroit said they would have drafted a quarterback seventh overall

if Panay Sewell had not been available. And I do think it's really interesting when teams have fine quarterbacks and they pass on Justin Fields and Mac Jones, right? The lions passed on fields, the giants, these really Eagles passed on fields.

The Broncos passed on fields. It's kind of interesting to me. What does that say about Justin Fields? I don't know. We'll find out. But, but I also feel like just kind of an aside, you know, at the quarterback

position, if you have a quarterback and then the following year you have a chance to draft another quarterback that you think is a better prospect, I feel like you should take him. The Cardinals. The Cardinals, exactly. Exactly. So if the Giants can evaluate Daniel Jones and say, okay, we actually think he's better than Justin Fields and the Eagles can evaluate Jalen Hurts and say the same thing, fine. But I feel like Justin Fields was a better prospect than both of them. But I also feel like we in the non-NFL community like Fields better than the NFL community does. I don't know. But I just thought, you know, I thought the Eagles probably should have taken Justin Fields. And I think the Giants probably should have too. But they're committed to their quarterbacks. The Giants will draft a quarterback with the Bears pick next year because the Bears are going to be terrible. The Falcons are not exercising Hayden Hurst's fifth-year option.

You're a Giants fan. You want Fields to be terrible. Absolutely. I know. It's so funny. So, yeah, the Falcons not exercising Hayden Hurst's fifth-year option. That makes sense. Yeah. And what does that meancons not exercising Hayden Hurst's fifth year options. That makes sense. Yeah. And what does that mean if you're not familiar with it? Going into a player's

fourth year, you have to decide if you're picking up his fifth year option. This is only for first round picks. So that means he's not under contract for 2022. And they obviously just drafted Kyle Pitts. And they did pick up Calvin Ridley's fifth year option by the way. Okay, emails at fantasyfootball at cbsi.com. What are the values? This one's from Adam.

What are the values for James Robinson and Jalen Rager in Dynasty? Well, I mean, Robinson is if you're

trying to buy him, you're buying him cheap now, you know, with the hope that ETN deals with injuries or doesn't, you know, materialize into a lead back and Robinson can somehow hold onto that role or at some point maybe regain that role if he loses it, or he goes to a new team,

you know, at some point while he's still young. Rager, I think still has a very high ceiling because, you know, he's a first round pick, you know, he's very productive at TCU. I think he still have an opportunity to make plays. Was he the right choice? Clearly not over Justin Jefferson. Is he a number one wide receiver? Probably not. Probably never will be as long as Devontae Smith does what Devontae Smith is capable of doing. But can he still be a legitimate fantasy option?

Absolutely. So that's a guy that I would try to acquire cheap because the value is suppressed now because of the addition of Smith and the failure in his rookie campaign. Be interested to see where James Robinson gets taken whenever we do a mock draft, which I assume will be pretty soon. I have, you know, just kind of tying in those two guys. I have a keeper league where we keep four guys. And my intention was I have three that are locked in. It's DeAndre Hopkins, Chris Godwin, and Darren Waller. It's a PPR league. So those are easy. But my fourth option was between James Robinson and Jalen Hurts. And obviously now I'm leaning Jalen Hurts, but it was going to be nice to at least have one potential top 20 running back and say, okay, then I can just load up at the position. Now I really have to go heavy and running back.

And I lost the championship game. So picking an 11 with four keepers is not going to be fun. So when you look at Robinson though, do you think he's the starter week one? Do you think he gets more carries in ETN week one? I wouldn't be surprised if he does, but you know, that's going to be something where he may have more carries over the course of the season, but it could be, you know, one 80 to one 75, you know, by the time the season's over, you know, with the 17th game, it could be 200 to 190. But he's probably going to have minimal production in the passing game, and Etienne should blow

the doors off there. The thing you want to hope for is, and this is the perfect scenario, but it just doesn't happen, is that James Robinson's Mark Angrum and Etienne is Alvin Kamara, and you get the Saints from 2017, whatever it was. That would be great. This is fromvin Kamara. And you get the Saints from 2017, whatever it was. That would be great. That would be great. Okay, this is from Tony in Vegas.

Dear Joe, Joe, Jamar, and T. Joe, Joe, Jamar. Come on, dude. Jamar spelled J-A apostrophe M-A-R-R. Yeah. Except you forgot Tyler. So, you know. Myler.

Myler. I currently have the first, third, and seventh picks in my rookie draft. Which option do y'all prefer? Option one. Remember, first, third, and seventh. Chase, Pitts, and Sermon. Option two. Chase, ETN, and a wide receiver.

Who he thinks could be possibly Waddle, Smith, or Marshall. I guess he's expecting this to be a running back heavy draft. I mean, this is super easy. Option two, for sure. Well, you tell me. Option two? Yeah, I don't want Trey Sermon. But you're getting Chase, Pitts.

I would replace Sermon if the options are... So it's seven? Yeah. I mean, that's still be Javante Williams' potential territory. Okay, fine. So let's say

he's assuming that the top three running backs are gone. Then why not take Waddle or Smith? So I think basically... I would take another receiver. I wouldn't reach.

Yeah, right, right. we had this conversation on on hq on cbs sports hq heath his initial run of his top 12 rookies he had sermon over michael carter i'm taking michael carter over sermon right now because i think if carter becomes the starter for the depth he could be very good in that system if it's that same system that they're going to run from San Francisco. Sermon could be also, but I think it could be a little tougher for him and he's not going to have any role in the passing game, whereas Carter could. Carter should.

Option two. Oh, I read that. What am I doing? Option two. Yeah, all right. You're good there. Tony, thank you. So don't...

So basically, you would take Pitts over Etienne is what it comes down to. Yeah, for sure. Right, and then I know you really want a running back, but if you take Pitts, you shouldn't take Sermon over Devontae Smith. I mean, this is such an important aspect of drafting in Dynasty.

You can't fill a need and drop down in prospect that much. You've got to take the better player there. Devante Smith to Trey Sermon, as it stands right now, history could tell us otherwise, as it stands right now, that's not even close. And then make a trade if you want to and get a running back that way. This is from Rudy.

He's going to be the three running backs gone. So if he's taking Chase, let's say 2-3-4, go... Well, he has three, right? 2-4-5. He's going Chase one and then say Pitts three. Right. So it's going to go Harris, ETN, I guess, right?

In his mind, it's going to go Harris, ETN, Javante Williams with maybe... Right, so then Smith or Watt is available to him. Yeah. Yes. That's easy. Okay. From Rudy in Milpitas, California.

Who would you rather keep in a Superflex League half PPR out of a $200 budget? Jonathan Taylor for $27, DeAndre Swift for six or cam acres for 16. Swift. Yeah. Subtle winner. Deandre Swift,

because drafting a wide receiver on the fourth round, I mean, he still could be, could be second on the team and targets. He could. Yeah, he could. The, the, in targets. He could. Yeah. He could.

You know what? No, I'm going to put it down. Second on the team in targets, DeAndre Swift. So, Hawkinson is probably looking around 120. Well, 17 games, so 120. Right? Sure. Is Swift getting to 100 targets?

Wait a second. 120 targets for Hawkinson. That's 10 a game? Oh, no. Sorry. I did 117 instead of 170. I think I'm done doing math. Yeah, he could get there. Could Swift get... He probably won't be second in targets.

It'll probably be one of those wide Perryman or something. I think he gets... I think he gets 80. Jamal Williams? Yeah. This could be one of those teams that just has three or four players bunched together. I see this a lot. I look at the teams and their targets, and I do see

a lot of teams. The Packers could be like that where you've got Devontae Adams, then you've got Jones, MVS, last year, Laz know, Lazard, Tunyon, all in the same range. This could be one of those teams. All right, Keith Smith. Jacob from Denmark.

I got offered Dak Prescott for my Deshaun Watson, my 2022 second, and my 2023 second. So you'd have to give up a second round pick next year and the following year and Deshaun Watson for Dak Prescott. I think you have to do it. Really? I mean,

what if Watson's out of the league? Oh man. That's a tough, tough call. That's a lot to give up. But I mean, look, second-round picks in rookie-only drafts, especially if you're good, because it doesn't snake, assuming they go like most rookie drafts do.

So if it's a 12-team league, and let's say you're picking 10, I mean, the 22nd best player is not always great. There are steals, obviously, left, right, and center. Yeah, you're right. You're right. You're gambling that. You're going to be good. Will you be as good as Watson?

Now, obviously, if Watson plays and everything's fine and there's no issues, the player is still going to be very good. But you're basically giving up minimal capital from a draft perspective. Maybe you ask for a third in return. Say, give me 20, 23 third in return. And then you could turn maybe your two third round picks into a second round pick if you want to get back in the second round.

But the fact that you're keeping your first, I do that all day. You know what's really interesting about the Texans? I'm just like, who's going to be the worst team in football? The Texans. Yeah, they are. Well, what if Watson football? The Texans. Yeah, they are. Well, what if Watson plays? The Texans.

Yeah, they could definitely have the number one pick. Do they have their number one pick next year? They do, right? It's kind of, unless they give it to the Dolphins. They may have. I don't even know. It's kind of part of the reason why I think if you buy into players in the AFC South, they get

those teams twice. They get that team twice. Yeah, that's a good point. All right, wait. So let me see the Laramie Tunsil trade. Let's figure out if they have anything still. I don't think they do. No. Right? No. Bill O'Brien's still there, though.

He'd be gone. Okay, now, I don't know, but the Texans gave up a 2020 fourth-round pick, a 2021... Oh, no, the Dolphins gave up that. The Texans gave up a 2021 first and second. Okay, so they're done, finally. They get their 2022 first-round pick.

For now. All right, everybody 2022 first round pick for now. Alright, everybody. Thanks so much for listening. We're done. We'll be back with running back rankings tomorrow. For a limited time, switch to Shopify point of sale and you could save up to 20% and improve your bottom line. We're so serious about savings,

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