Fantasy Football Today - Updated Rankings! Achane a Big Loser? How High for Harrison? (04/28 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: April 29, 2024

Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts and wherever else you listen to podcasts Let's get some updated rankings for Dave and... Heath and some reaction from Jamey. Our biggest rankings riser (1:10) is EZEKIEL ELLIOTT!? He and Zamir White look like big winners after the NFL Draft. But we can't say the same for De'Von Achane (8:00) or the Bears wide receivers. Should Achane be a Top 36 pick at this point? Maybe drafting Jaylen Wright won't matter much after all ... News and notes (15:15) and more risers (21:10) and fallers (30:10). We talk about Patrick Mahomes, Marvin Harrison and more. We make the case for Harrison as a Top 10 WR. We also talk a lot about James Conner and Rashee Rice as rankings fallers ... Where do the guys have the rookies ranked (41:30)? Dave and Heath aren't nearly as high on the rookie quarterbacks as Jamey is. And we finish with a modified version of Buy or Sell (54:05) on Dak Prescott, Ben Sinnott and many more ... Email us at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179 SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1 Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @ctowerscbs Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Get 20% off Fantasy Football Today merch: https://store.cbssports.com/collections/fantasy-football-today%20?utm_source=podcast-apple-com&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=buy-our-merch&utm_content=fantasy-football-collection Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:33 This is Fantasy Football Today from CBS Sports. What a play! Can you believe this? No, I can't. It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Off to the races, and he stays on his feet. He's just going to go the distance. Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath.
Starting point is 00:01:54 All right, we are back, and we are reflecting. On a fun weekend, the NFL draft in the books. Saturday's show was terrific. Big shout-out to Jamie Heath and Chris Trapasso for telling us what we needed to know about all of the day three guys. And now we'll, you know, we've had some time to digest it a little bit, sleep on it, and now we'll discuss. Adam Azer with the three guys, Jamie Eisberg, Heath Cummings, and Dave Richard is here as well. We've got rankings risers and fallers. We'll tell you about where the rookies are in the rankings,
Starting point is 00:02:24 where they're going to be. As Heath and Dave will give their rankings risers and followers. We'll tell you about where the rookies are in the rankings, where they're going to be. As Heath and Dave will give their rankings risers and followers, Jamie will react. We also have Ezekiel Elliott signing with the Dallas Cowboys and some more news from around the NFL. And Heath, who's your biggest rankings
Starting point is 00:02:40 riser from after the NFL draft? You're going to hate me so much but first off I just like to say I like Jamie's position better I can I just go go to be the guy that's just gonna react to the other guy's rankings I think that's more fun um I will go biggest like I'll just be honest the biggest riser for the weekend was Ezekiel Elliott yeah I don't buy I mean from nowhere to somewhere right like he was outside of my top 50 running backs he's probably going to be he's definitely going to be a top 36 running back now he might
Starting point is 00:03:11 even get close to 30 somewhere in that 30 to 36 range and i would guess there's going to be a stretch of like six weeks this year where we're starting ezekiel elliott do you know where he ranked among running backs in the last six games of the season last year? Top eight? Yeah, exactly. He was seventh in half PPR, eighth in full PPR. He had the most catches among running backs. He averaged three yards
Starting point is 00:03:35 per carry in that stretch, but he had 31 catches in six games. That included the game in which Stevenson got hurt. That was like the worst offense in football too though. Yes it was. Is he obviously, okay if you had to bet
Starting point is 00:03:51 right now, who gets the first carry of the season for the Cowboys? Is it Zeke or is it someone else? Zeke. Someone else. Two Zekes and a someone else. Plan B on YouTube says in what round are you interested in drafting Ezekiel Elliott?
Starting point is 00:04:10 No. Seven. Okay. Dave, you're not buying it. It sounds like he's going to share and it's, he could very easily show all it takes is for one running back who can have some explosion in his game
Starting point is 00:04:26 to absolutely render Ezekiel Elliott into a passing downs back, maybe a guy that scores seven times this year, maybe catches 35 to 45 passes. I'm not saying that there isn't a place for him on draft day. I'm just saying that I don't really want to trust him on my fantasy team as a regular starter. Why not? The guy said round seven on Zeke.
Starting point is 00:04:51 Yeah. Jamie Heath. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think I can name 12 other guys, not necessarily running backs, but other players that I would take in round seven.
Starting point is 00:05:00 Oh, I'm not saying I'm taking around seven. That's where I would start to consider. Okay. Why? Like Brian Robinson or Ezekiel Elliott? Robinson. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:12 And I think Robinson's a round seven pick. Aaron Jones is probably going to be right around there. Ramondre is going to be right around there. Jones will go ahead of round seven. I think Ramondre will go ahead of round seven too. I don't know if they should. Those guys are better than Robinson. They're better than Zeke. I think there's going to be some.
Starting point is 00:05:27 Okay, here's one more running back. And I know I said that there's going to be other running back, other non-running backs that are better than Zeke. Raheem Mostert or Zeke? Mostert. Ooh, difference of opinion, Adam. There's 85 guys in Miami now. All right, so that's the thing.
Starting point is 00:05:43 I mean, does Jalen Wright change it? My thought was he's probably – no. He could. I think there's a good chance that Wright, who the Dolphins drafted him with, the fourth round or fifth round? Sorry. They spent a day two pick on him. Wright was round four.
Starting point is 00:05:59 But they spent a day two pick to get him. Okay. I don't quite know what that means. They spent a round three pick in 2025 to draft him in round four of 2024. Yeah, they're looking at someone who's going to be a playmaker for them this year, and obviously part of their tandem moving forward once Raheem Mostert's done.
Starting point is 00:06:18 Right, that's what I'm saying. I feel like he's not going to play until one of the other guys gets hurt. But it might be a situation where we're looking at a split when Mostert and A-Chain are healthy, and we're looking at a split if Mostert or A-Chain gets hurt because Wright just moves into that spot. So the injury upside that those guys had when the other one got hurt is lessened.
Starting point is 00:06:50 I already love the idea of drafting most hurt and right to the same fantasy team. Okay. All right, let's move on. Dave, who's your biggest rankings riser. I got to give it to Zamir white. Looks like he's going to survive the off season and be the lead running
Starting point is 00:07:00 back for the Las Vegas Raiders did a great job to end last year. This is a Raiders team Did a great job to end last year. This is a Raiders team that improved their offensive line. They're going to have Brock Bowers to further take some safeties out of the box against them, and they want to be run heavy. And they're going to use two tight ends all the time. So I think that Zemir White has earned a place, maybe even as a top 60 pick, if not higher. I'd love to hear where Jamie and he re-ranked him
Starting point is 00:07:26 but i've got him right on the end of round five beginning of round six i think i had him with a four or five turns so i was he was my other guy that i was going to say at the biggest as the biggest riser so he's definitely like we're going to get all the dead zone arguments against him and they sometimes those guys um do get all the work that we're projecting they're going to and they end up being values because they're pulled down um but man i said it last week i think this team is going to run the ball a ton and i think that zamir white's going to be the lead back zamir white in the last four games of the season, he was on pace for 357 carries and almost 1,700 yards. Also 38 catches.
Starting point is 00:08:09 They drafted Dylan Lauby. I know there was some confusion about how to pronounce his name. That's how we're going. It's Lauby. It's Lauby. Well, I heard it as Lauby or Lobby, but I heard it as Lauby. I would guess there's going to be some confusion about how to pronounce his name like three months from now.
Starting point is 00:08:23 Well, the thing is, I mean, he does figure to be, if anything, a pass catcher. He is a fun player. He really stood out at the Senior Bowl. He's a lot more of a pass catcher than a runner. Yes. I could see him. He's
Starting point is 00:08:39 going to be one of about 14 running backs that were drafted who could be a factor on special teams but he could also be their third down back pretty quickly i don't see him taking carries away from zamir white i also don't know how many carries alexander madison will take away from zamir white all the more reason why zamir white has really catapulted himself into the round five conversation all right by the way f Dynasty, this is a big week because we're mostly going to talk about the rookie values
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Starting point is 00:09:27 You can watch all of our shows. FFT in five, FFT, FFT Dynasty, YouTube.com slash fantasy football today. Who is the biggest faller in your rankings, Dave Richard? Pick a Bears receiver. Which one? I don't know if they're necessarily the biggest faller because I'm going'm gonna be pretty
Starting point is 00:09:45 anti-a-chan but in fact i'd like to change my answer devon a-chan okay yeah because of the right signing and jamie's right like right is more for the future than for now but i think they will learn that right can Can actually work on passing downs. He was a pretty good pass blocker at Tennessee. He's a good receiver and he's got, he's got what you need to be a running back in Miami and that's track speed. And just the decision that they made to move up to get them and use future capital to get Jalen, right, man.
Starting point is 00:10:20 It just, I think that tells the story about how they feel about their running backs in general, that they wanted to add this guy. And so I am extremely nervous. Where were we taking HM before, guys? Like round three? Two. Maybe late round two? Two.
Starting point is 00:10:35 No, I can't do it anymore. Well, that's the thing. I had him, I think, at RB20 before the draft. And I'm not tooting my own horn. I didn't think the Dolphins were going to draft someone. I just was really scared off by the way the Dolphins used him in the playoffs and at the end of the year last year and in games that were not blowouts really. And so I'm wondering, did you drop him to where you're like where I am
Starting point is 00:10:56 or did you drop him further? Is it RB20 range about right? Yeah, it's right around there. He might even be a little bit ahead of 20 among the running backs in full PPR, but I'm still, yeah, not excited. I don't want to spend even around four pick on him now. The,
Starting point is 00:11:12 the counter here, you don't want to spend around four pick on Devon HN. Wow. The counter here is the counter here is this. He, this was a bad running back class and this guy was drafted in the fourth round and they and fourth round picks usually don't really factor in as rookies i mean quite frankly they usually don't have very good careers but we have had remandre stevenson damian pierce in recent seasons
Starting point is 00:11:39 roshan johnson roshan johnson was a was a fourth round pick last year and people made a big stink about him and it kind of stunk. So he had a role. I'm not going to say he didn't have a role, but he, he never came anywhere near becoming the starting running back there, which I know you're not projecting for Jalen, Jalen, right? But what I'm saying is fourth round running backs. I think the day after the NFL draft, you can sort of overrate them. They typically, he's a third round running back at him because they traded a third round pick in 2025. That is a weird traderound running back, Adam, because they traded a third-round pick in 2025. That is a weird trade, by the way.
Starting point is 00:12:09 So it is not a bad point by Dave. They gave up a third... You keep being sarcastic, Dave. What's that? I think he keeps being sarcastic. I understand that, but I actually think Dave made a good point in bringing that up. No, I do, too. I was being sarcastic, and I think it's a good point.
Starting point is 00:12:23 Part of the reason I bring it up is if you call this a third round pick, HN was a third round pick last year. Yeah, I know. Fourth round picks typically don't do that much. That's I guess that's why you could look at them. They're on the roster,
Starting point is 00:12:34 but I don't know that he's really going to be a big factor. This is, this is also a team. I think this is a guy that will play on special teams. This is also a guy that they're, they're starting running back, even though we haven't been drafting it. It's 31 years old. I mean, this is not necessarily an indication of this year. This is an indication of more for the future. And so to panic on A-chan, I think is a little bit too
Starting point is 00:12:57 crazy. But I'm more, I'm panicking in terms of this year. Dynasty is a different story, but this year, not only, I think it's going to come down to this. No matter the situation, there's going to be a split among running backs in Miami. McDaniel talked about it last year. We saw it last year. Heath mentioned months ago that when HN got work, it was mostly in blowout situations and it was blowout wins more than blowout losses. And so even if Mostert goes down, Jamie, if Wright knows what he's doing, he will see the field a good amount with A-chan. And A-chan had a hard time staying healthy last year.
Starting point is 00:13:35 So, look, I get it. He's super efficient, and he was awesome. He did it against the worst run defenses in the league. I'm nervous to spend. I don't know where you're taking him, Jamie, but let's just say round four. I'm worried to spend that type of capital on A-chan knowing that he may never get the type of workload
Starting point is 00:13:53 that we would want. Okay. Heath, who's your biggest follower? I'll try David Montgomery over Devon A-chan. All right. Heath, who's your favorite? Who's your biggest faller? Biggest faller. Biggest faller is probably...
Starting point is 00:14:10 I'll go with what Dave said. The Bears wide receivers. I think DJ Moore is the one. I'd already kind of been out on Keenan Allen. And so I'm really out on Keenan Allen now. And I think DJ Moore Moore who was in that like which wide receivers do we want to draft in round two conversation
Starting point is 00:14:30 is not in that conversation for me anymore probably more of a round four or round five pick now and I think it is a real question mark who the number one wide receiver for the Chicago Bears is going to be week one and especially like week 10. Would you move Devante Smith, T. Higgins, and Jalen Waddell? I always go back to that disappointing trio from last year,
Starting point is 00:14:58 and I feel like we were taking DJ Moore consistently ahead of them in mock drafts this year after free agency, but now with the addition of Roma dunes, a, would you move Devante Smith, T Higgins and Jalen Waddle ahead of, uh, ahead of DJ Moore?
Starting point is 00:15:16 I would, I wouldn't, but it's very close. Uh, two of those three. Yes. Not Devante Smith, not Devante Smith.
Starting point is 00:15:24 Okay. Um, all right. Those are some risers and followers. We will have more for you in aae Smith. Not Devontae Smith. Okay. All right. Those are some risers and followers. We will have more for you in a little bit. We are going to take a break, give you some news and notes. Thankfully, relief that Tank Dell is okay. We'll tell you about that. What Tom Telesco, the Raiders GM, said about Michael Mayer.
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Starting point is 00:16:41 Download Bumble and try it for yourself. Okay, news and notes. Tank Dell was shot. Thankfully, not seriously injured. Hopefully a quick recovery for him and everyone else involved there. Cowboys signed Ezekiel Elliott. He'll be 29 years old in July. And I mentioned after the Mondre Stevenson injury,
Starting point is 00:16:58 he was a top 10 running back. I think I said he was 7th and 8th. He was 9th in half PPR. He was 8th in full PPR. The Jaguars picked up fifth-year options on Trevor Lawrence and Travis Etienne. And Lawrence, no surprise there. Jamie, any surprise at all in your mind that they picked up the fifth-year option on Travis Etienne? And what do you think that says about him? I think it says that they're committed to him being their lead guy. And we talk about this
Starting point is 00:17:22 with the NFL Draft Capital. Was this more of an indication, the running back they selected on Tank Bigsby and Dearness Johnson, or was it more of an indication on what they feel about Etienne? I think they're telling you what they think about Travis Etienne, that he's still going to be their, their lead runner. They'll take some work off of him, but I think that was always part of the conversation was they want to make sure he's healthy toward the end of the season, if they're going to make a playoff run. And by doing that, they'll that, they'll alleviate some of the work he has during the season. He's still a very solid round two pick in my mind. There was a pretty healthy debate, I think, in Dynasty between, and probably still is, between ETN and HN. I'm on the ETN side of that and feel better about it
Starting point is 00:18:01 after this weekend. They're both still top 10 dynasty running backs i am i the only one who thinks that this trevor lawrence contract negotiation could get really interesting like this is the year when burrow herbert all those guys got locked up i wonder if lawrence's goes more like lamar's did and we've got a little bit of uh acrimony i wonder if he wants out of there. It's been such a disaster for him. Yeah. I think he's going to end up having just a massive contract, though.
Starting point is 00:18:36 I don't think – it's not like – I think he's going to get paid higher than what his performance has been. He's probably going to want a Herbert deal, right? I want a Herbert deal. No, he might get – I think he's going to get it. I think he's going to get a massive deal. I think he probably wants a Des want a Herbert deal. No, he might get it. I think he's going to get it. I think he's going to get it. I think he probably wants a Deshaun Watson deal. I mean, like they all do.
Starting point is 00:18:52 I think he's going to get paid like a star is basically what I'm saying. Yeah, of course he is. He hasn't been one. But hopefully that will change. All right. More news and notes. Falcons head coach Raheem Morris said Kirk Cousins does not have to look over his shoulder after they drafted Michael Penix.
Starting point is 00:19:08 The Broncos expect Bo Nix to play right away, according to ESPN's Dan Graziano. The Vikings are still working on signing Justin Jefferson to a new contract. The Eagles signed former Jets offensive tackle Mekhi Becton. The Raiders GM Tom Telesco said that Michael Mayer is an excellent tight end,
Starting point is 00:19:24 and there is no rule in the NFL that you can only play one tight end. Dave, do you think that Michael Mayer's presence drags down the value and the production of Brock Bowers in fantasy? No, not that much. Okay. It is a low-key, crowded receiving core in Vegas now, and that might drag down Bowers, but I still think Bowers will be second on the team in targets.
Starting point is 00:19:51 Do you have Bowers top 12? Oh, yeah. Well, okay. Me too. Who do you have ahead of you? I think I've got him 12th but man i don't feel comfortable with it i do think between adams and joey myers and michael mayer's gonna play plenty i i'm not sure bowers will be second right i thought that was pretty interesting that you know it's gonna
Starting point is 00:20:17 be him or myers so right okay broncos made a think, probably a pretty good trade. They got defensive end John Franklin Myers from the Jets for a sixth-round pick in 2026. So he's a good player. The Jets needed to get rid of his salary after they acquired Hasan Reddick from the Eagles. And the Steelers intend to use first-round pick Troy Fautanu at offensive tackle. There was some thought that maybe he'd play inside,
Starting point is 00:20:45 but they planned to play him at tackle. And they also drafted center Zach Frazier in round two. Did they happen to say which tackle spot for Fautano? I, I, well, no, I didn't see that. But they're a rookie from last year. Broderick Jones was playing right tackle, right? Or was he playing left tackle? He was, But I think they
Starting point is 00:21:05 drafted him with the intention of him eventually being their left tackle. Okay. I do not know. One thing I do know is that Dave and Heath gave me a list of risers and neither of you had Najee Harris on there. You could say he was a draft winner, right? They drafted two offensive linemen. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:21:22 But no. The offseason's kind of gone his way, right? Look at the offensive coordinator change. The additions that they made at quarterback and wide receiver don't suggest that they want to have huge firepower and become a dominant passing offense. And they've bulked up the offensive line. Why would it be Najee Harris and not Jalen Warren as the winner, though?
Starting point is 00:21:43 Unfortunately, both. That's my problem. I don't have a strong feeling. I've kind of gone back and forth, but they're always within two spots of each other in the rankings, and I think it's like a 50-50 shot. Warren could be better. It feels like Tomlin still wants Najee to be the running downs guy,
Starting point is 00:22:00 which is the problem for Jalen Warren. Okay, let's go to Heath's risers then. And there's also Cordero Patterson there too with Arthur Smith. Oh, yeah. They're losers. Over under 15 carries for Cordero Patterson this year.
Starting point is 00:22:17 Over. Over. For the season? Yeah, yeah. Or by week two. He's a special teams guy. They should not use him. Well, I mean, the Falcons should not have used him last year, and they didn't. 40 carries. 40 carries for Patterson. The scary part is that 15 carries by week two is not that much of an exaggeration.
Starting point is 00:22:38 All right, let's go to Heath's risers here. Patrick Mahomes and Kyler Murray are your quarterback risers. Is Mahomes number one? Is Kyler Murray are your quarterback risers. Is Mahomes number one? Is Kyler Murray top eight? Mahomes is number one. And I believe, let me just verify, I believe Kyler Murray is QB eight. So you nailed both of those, Adam. Listen, I think I'm probably going to be more excited about what Xavier Worthy does for my homes and for the chiefs than I am about drafting Xavier Worthy and
Starting point is 00:23:07 redraft this year. But I do think that you look, it's if Rashi rice plays 14, 15 games this year, it might be the best set of weapons that Patrick Mahomes has ever had. I just, I like that. Look at the top four quarterbacks.
Starting point is 00:23:25 Sorry, a delay on that. What are you talking about? I was X-ing out Heath's might-be-the-best-weapons-Holmes-has-ever-had thing. Go ahead, Dave. Pete Tyreek, Pete Kelsey, Sammy Watkins. I'll take that trio over what he has right now. Right. That's a spicy meatball, but think about what's happened to Josh Allen, Jalen hurts and Lamar Jackson this off season.
Starting point is 00:23:48 And then think about what's happened to my homes. I think that's the case from homes to be QB one. Well, what happened to hurts? What happened to hurts in Jackson? Take one. Barkley's there. Oh,
Starting point is 00:23:58 what about Jackson? I don't think they're going to hurt Jalen hurts at all. I don't think it's going to hurt him enough to make him a top quarterback. I think the loss of Kelsey and the potential change in the tush push might hurt. I think Barkley's presence will hurt a little bit because 15 rushing touchdowns maybe goes down to 12 or 10. With also a tush push, less touchdown or two, um, as well, you know, so his passing might improve. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:33 My home's one for me. Is Alan a slam dunk too, for anybody? No, no, I have my home's hurt down. Yeah. I saw Alan there for now, but I'm weighing it. He could fall as far as four. By the way, just to clarify, they didn't get rid of the tush push.
Starting point is 00:24:51 I think Jamie is concerned that without Jason Kelsey... No, no, no, that the tush push will change for the Eagles without Kelsey. Yeah, right. That's what I was saying. Okay, and Kyler Murray is eighth. Who'd you move him ahead of, Heath? Jordan Love.
Starting point is 00:25:06 And I think I moved both him and Anthony Richardson up because Richardson is nine. So, no, I moved him just ahead of Richardson too. So Love and Richardson. Stroud ahead of them? Yes. Yeah, yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 00:25:20 Zemir White is a riser for you. Dave already mentioned that. Ezekiel Elliott is a riser for you. Do you have anything else you want to say about Zemir White and a riser for you. Dave already mentioned that. Ezekiel Elliott is a riser for you. Do you have anything else you want to say about Zemir White and Ezekiel Elliott? No. Okay. I'll just say this about Zemir White just to get a conversation going here because it was mentioned maybe getting him in round four.
Starting point is 00:25:39 And I talk about this. Okay. Well, we're not sure this running back's very good, but he's got this great opportunity. Probably not going to be the pass-catching running back, right? It's like you really need him to have a lot of carries. Zamir White, for example, let me see, 104 carries. He had two carries that were longer than 16 yards,
Starting point is 00:26:01 both against terrible run defenses. So I do think that he could be one of those players where people are like, well, I don't know how good he is. I get nervous taking a guy like that in the fourth round. I think the lesson I learned from last year was because, you know, Alexander Madison was a bust. He is, but Rashad White, I mean, I felt kind of the same way about Rashad White.
Starting point is 00:26:19 I knew that he was going to catch more passes, but I thought Rashad White stunk. It wouldn't be a very good fantasy back. I didn't want him, but Rashad White was going so much later passes, but I thought Rashad White stunk. It wouldn't be a very good fantasy back. I didn't want him. But Rashad White was going so much later than Alexander Madison in drafts. So that's the thing about White. It's like I don't know. My thought right now –
Starting point is 00:26:33 Round five is probably better. Round five would be the earliest for me. But, yes, I mean I'm not saying he's Madison in the same vein as the same player, but it's the same situation. I mean it's a very small sample size of a guy getting an opportunity and will he completely take advantage of it? Now he looked good in those four games. You know, he showed he could be a pass catcher when they threw him the ball. He showed he could be a, a workhorse type running back. And it doesn't seem like things are going to change based on what they added ironically enough alexander madison but
Starting point is 00:27:05 you know it's also i wonder how we would feel about zamir white better or worse if the quarterback situation was different right because it doesn't feel like while they didn't trade davante adams and they spend the draft capital on brock bowers and jacoby myers is still there dave just said you know crowd receiving core you know so there's a lot of weapons there that are very attractive in the passing game, but it's still either going to be Gardner Minshew or a no con. And that's not exactly screaming. Hey, we want to be a pass happy type of team.
Starting point is 00:27:37 And I do think that one difference between white and Madison last year is that we thought the Vikings were going to throw the ball the most in the NFL. And I think most of us think the Raiders are going to be more run heavy than the average NFL team. Totally. So I think there are a lot more Russia, Russia attempts per game available for the lead back. Yeah, totally. All right. Dave's risers are Marvin Harrison. You know, honestly, I don't think I was clear with you guys about, uh about rookie rankings that I didn't really ask for those, but hopefully you have them sort of handy, at least Heath and Dave. I know Jamie's going to publish his rankings soon, but Marvin Harrison is one of Dave's risers and Samir White is the other one. So where are we ranking Marvin Harrison,
Starting point is 00:28:17 Dave Richard? I have a hard time keeping him out of round two. And so the reason why I said that he was a riser is because before the draft, no question about it. Top 15 type of fantasy receiver, no doubt about it. A round three guy. I think I said like toward the end of round three, or maybe I said like right around 30th overall for Harrison, dude, I feel like that there are eight stud receivers that I've got no questions about. And then after that, you can make the case for harrison davante either of the niners wide receivers olave drake london maybe mike evans but that that's a tier that's a group and harrison is squarely in it and i could absolutely see the case where harrison is at the top of it but it goes back to another theme that I'm going to have all season long. Uh, everybody has to take a drink. Every time I say you don't want to draft a guy too high
Starting point is 00:29:10 to too close to a ceiling. And that might be the case if we're taking Harrison at like 20th overall. So I'm not there yet, but I'm struggling keeping them out of late round two. He's 22nd overall for me overall. Oh i am not struggling you've got him there wide receivers you've got him ahead of the guy who is generally the uh the low guy on rookies uh he's wide receiver nine like you mentioned there's eight stud wide receivers you've done that i assume they were lamb jefferson chase tyreek amon raw aj brown puka nakua and garrett wilson nailed it those those are the eight wide receivers that i have ahead of harrison and i think that you could like there's people you
Starting point is 00:29:50 could make an argument for in full ppr maybe you put michael pitman or if mike evans wasn't so old i'd probably have mike evans ahead of him after what he did last year with baker mayfield but i there's nobody else that i think is a surefire pick over Harrison. Why is Garrett Wilson? I mean, I would take Wilson over him, I think, but why? Is that an easy call to take Garrett Wilson over Marvin Harrison? No. It is for me, yeah. It is? Why, Jamie?
Starting point is 00:30:20 Well, I think first off, we've seen some rookies come in and have big seasons. I'll take the third-year guy over the rookie, just having a little bit more of an established understanding of the league. Plus, his quarterback's not going to run around in the pocket and leave like Garrett Wilson's guy is, who's not going to run at all. So I think the targets will favor him, and the upside will favor him, just for this year at least. Okay. And Dave, is it an easy call,rett wilson over over uh marvin harrison for now yes all right i got an interesting twix poll up i just
Starting point is 00:30:52 published it as dave was talking which wide receiver are you drafting first davante adams chris olave drake london marvin harrison perhaps yeah i mean there's only 50 votes. Let's see. Schaefer's got 12 votes there on his screen. I got 50. I've got 87. 87? All right, what do we got? What are the results? Harrison at 34%, Adams at 25%, London at 23%, Olave at 18%.
Starting point is 00:31:17 Yeah. Maybe the most interesting part of that is Olave being dead last. But, okay, we'll come back to that in a little bit. Please remind me, Schaefer, to check on that. I always forget to do that. How about some rankings fallers? Heath, you have, this is a bigger list here. Well, we've talked about the Bears wide receivers.
Starting point is 00:31:34 Dave had them as fallers as well. He mentioned them at the top of the show. James Conner and Chuba Hubbard. Okay, why is James Conner a faller for you and Chuba Hubbard with, obviously, they took Jonathan a follower for you and Chuba Hubbard with obviously they took Jonathan Brooks. But yeah, go ahead. James Connor, you think he's got some serious competition here? I think he has some serious competition here. Yes. I was kind of viewing it as James Connor's going to be a top five running back for 11 games and then he's going to
Starting point is 00:32:00 miss a third of the season. And now it might be that he's not quite a full feature running back. And there is at least some risk that James Connor at his age just gets outperformed the first month of the season and isn't the starting running back at some point this season. He was a round five, six pick for me before this, no earlier than around seven now. And I don't even love it there. So they drafted Ty benson in the third round 66th overall so it sounds like an easy call for heath is an easy call for everyone to take zamir white right now over james connor yes yes yeah connor though man he's been so damn
Starting point is 00:32:40 good and especially with kyler murray Murray. That's like his guy. Throws to him, scores touchdowns. Okay. You know me. I like to play devil's advocate. There might be... Okay. Okay. Is that lethal weapon? Joe Pesci?
Starting point is 00:33:01 Heath's never seen that. Rasheed Rice. We're talking about Rashe talking about rishi rice now he's one of your followers um this isn't just the xavier worthy thing it's also the fact that like some of the reporting that came out in the last week i was viewing it as rishi what rice is going to get suspended probably zero to three games and now it sounds like a multi-game suspension is the floor um and i'm so now i'm looking at it more in the three to six game range or two to four game range um i he was a borderline top 12 wide receiver for me at one point he is now wide receiver 28 in round five what have been there there've been some pretty obvious speeding traffic,
Starting point is 00:33:48 car wreck stuff, right? Between rugs and right. Z flowers had an issue. I'm not mistaken. His got dropped. So, but I'm saying like,
Starting point is 00:33:59 I wonder like if this is just the NFL tired of these guys doing this. And so stupid, it's so stupid. And like, this is just the nfl tired of these guys doing this and so stupid it's so stupid and like this is the you're you're gonna pay the price of all the the stupidity before you and stopping the stupidity after you and he gets a he gets you know it'll probably get reduced whatever the suspension may be from on appeal but like he may get something more than we're expecting. Well, Heath, you have him ranked 28th, you said, at wide receiver? Mm-hmm. Yeah. So what if I— 28th?
Starting point is 00:34:30 Well, because I think Heath is anticipating a multi-game suspension, so let me just ask you, what if there were no suspension? Where would you have Rasheed Rice ranked? 20? 18? I think Worthy matters, too. It's not just the suspension. Brown matters for sure, 18. I think Worthy matters too. It's not just the suspension. Brown matters for sure, yes. Agreed.
Starting point is 00:34:52 Even before you get to the suspension, you can't feel great about Rice replicating what he did last year. And now he's going to be gone until October? Question mark? We just replaced, in terms of his competition, he was trying to beat out MVS and Sky Moore. And now he's trying to beat out Marquise Brown and Xavier Worthy. That's a huge difference in target competition. Yeah, except I think he's kind of earned some cred now after last year, where maybe it's not as much of a target competition as it would have been if he had just
Starting point is 00:35:27 been met last year he was pretty good for them so i i actually love the idea of buying the dip on rashi rice and just putting him on my bench for the first month of the year can i ask you a question you said you can't expect the same production even without the suspension, but did you mean his overall production, which was 938 yards, seven touchdowns, or the last six games of the year when he was top 12 per game? Yeah, it's more of the last six. Okay. I would point out.
Starting point is 00:35:58 I don't think he can get back there on a per-game basis once he's back. But I think he can still be a middle- he could still be a middle to low end wide receiver too. Okay. Once he's there, he just won't be as consistent. Might not have as many targets. Still could score a lot though. Cause that's just Kelsey falling for college.
Starting point is 00:36:18 He took a little bit of a drop. I had pretty much decided after he came back that he was going to be tied in one. And I think he's going to be tied in three now. Okay. What else is on Heath's Marquis Brown? I think like Michael, one last thing on that, because my homes was open about talking about last year and Nagy and Reed both talked about it. Like we're not going to have a consistent number one fantasy football managers are going to get mad at us because it's a different guy every week, but now they've actually got four guys that they could do that with and they're good so i think i don't know that there's a guy that sees 22 percent
Starting point is 00:36:49 of the targets on the team hence why mahomes can be very consistent and at a high number every week it's also and look and i really honestly don't have an idea we talked about this over the weekend that you know they've spent a lot of time the last couple of seasons drafting receivers. Yeah. Whether it was Hardman or Moore or Rice or now Xavier Worthy. And one guy has been productive. Right. One guy's an incomplete because he hasn't played yet.
Starting point is 00:37:17 Two guys were flops, you know, and you could even say, based on when they acquired him, they got a young Kadarius Tony who they couldn't cultivate into something also. They gave up a third term, right? Uh, they gave up a third for Tony.
Starting point is 00:37:31 Yes. It was worth it. No, no, no, no, no, no,
Starting point is 00:37:36 no, no, no, the giants. Yes. And then the giants traded that for Darren Waller. Yeah. I, I I I just like
Starting point is 00:37:46 you know is is Rice the the exception right that's a good question be overlooking that or did he just kind of fall into the right situation where okay he could play they really needed somebody and he may fall back to the pack a little bit you know with all these guys there so you know Marquise Brown coming in as a veteran you he should have a leg up, I think, over all the young players, you would hope. That doesn't mean he should be the first receiver drafted for the Chiefs, but it's still a matter of are we expecting too much from Xavier Worthy? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:38:18 Well, what are you expecting? I mean, in regards to, let's say, two games suspension for Rice, and like Heath is saying, they now have four guys who can steal targets from each other. Do they really? Like, is it really still just three? And one of those guys is just kind of playing the MVS role, which could be Marquise Brown. And then what does that leave worthy? If Marquise Brown is in the MVS role?
Starting point is 00:38:42 Stealing from the other guys, but he could also be a gadget player. I mean, we have no idea they're going to use him you know you know the the the the comp is is sort of you want him to be tyree kill like you know you want this smaller faster guy that is more than just a speed guy i think you know we don't want to you know discredit what he did at texas but that's what everybody's going to attach him to that's pro xavier. He's got a chance to be Tyrico, you know, the,
Starting point is 00:39:06 the lofty glasses, full expectations, but could he also just be Skymore? You know what I mean? Like, sure. There's that potential, you know,
Starting point is 00:39:14 they won a Superbowl with Skymore and, and Kadarius Tony doing really next to nothing offensively. They caught a touchdown each in the Superbowl. That was their only catches. I could say so much about Rasheed Rice. I think he's fascinating because what first of all he hit the 900 yard threshold as a rookie 938 yards almost always those guys do better they get they get better so that's great but he did it in a way
Starting point is 00:39:36 that sucks i think he had the lowest a dot among any wide receiver 80 wide receivers with 50 or more targets he had a 4.8 yard a dot it's, you've got to get a lot of targets if you're going to be that kind of player. On the other hand, he's got a role. He's got a role that Worthy's not going to play, that Marquise Brown's not going to play. He's the short area guy. On the other hand, go ahead and look at his game log in the post season. He had 130 yards in the first game of the post season. He had less than 50 yards in the other three. Part of that was just now bad efficiency, but part of that was Travis Kelsey finally woke up and had 355 yards in four playoff games. So when Kelsey was more involved, it seemed to hurt Rasheed Rice a little bit. I think, how many touchdowns did Kelsey score? He scored three touchdowns in the postseason.
Starting point is 00:40:19 Rice scored one. So I don't know. There's a lot there. I think you can do pros and cons. I think the biggest pro for me would be this. Patrick Mahomes was on pace last year for about 44, I think 4,444 yards and 29 touchdown passes. He could throw for 5,240 and then you might have fewer targets, but you're just
Starting point is 00:40:40 going to have so much more production from Mahomes. Mahomes could be so much better and bring everyone up with him. So there are a lot of ways that it could go with Rasheed Rice. Hopefully that ADOT gets a little higher because I don't think he can be super successful with a five-yard ADOT. Their offense is going to evolve again. I mean, this is the fun part of watching this offseason.
Starting point is 00:40:59 They went through this metamorphosis last year where they were more run heavy. They were not necessarily throwing as much. And their defense was better. I mean, they lost a big piece on defense with Snead gone. So who knows how successful they'll be in stopping people. They were just dominant last year in stopping people, which was awesome from a defensive standpoint. Now it's almost like, okay, here you go, Patrick.
Starting point is 00:41:18 We're giving you some weapons again. Go be the MVP. Like, he's chasing legends right now. Like, he's got an opportunity to three-peat. Never happened before. some weapons again, go be the MVP. He's chasing legends right now. He's got an opportunity to three-peat. Never happened before. He's in the conversation of chasing Brady already, and he's going to start stacking MVPs again. It's well within
Starting point is 00:41:36 the possibility of him going for 5,050. I'm sorry to cut you off, James. Does any of this excite you about Pacheco? And just the fact that this is a team that did nothing at running back other than bring back Clyde. I'm sure they'll bring back McKinnon too, knowing them. Okay,
Starting point is 00:41:52 guys, let me take a break. We'll take a break and get to the rookies where their rank is. Dave's followers are Devon H and the bears wide receivers. So we'll come right back on FFT and discuss our rookie rankings after this. I am so dreading groceries this week. So we'll come right back on FFT and discuss our rookie rankings after this. Skip. My neighbor's nightly saxophone practices. Uh, nope. You're on your own there. Could have skipped it.
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Starting point is 00:43:14 the leftovers there but uh wide receivers where's neighbors where's the where are the rest they're way down uh neighbors for me is going to be round seven. And then after that, I know you're going to take them higher. Go ahead. Yeah, I think he's round five guy for me. Yeah, you can have him. McConkie's going to be next for me. And then do I have Odunze?
Starting point is 00:43:43 Odunze and Coleman, I've gone back and forth on. I feel kind of gross having Coleman ahead of Odunze, but there's a target crunch in Chicago. We've already talked about that. Brian Thomas will be behind them. Then we get to the Roman Wilson, Xavier Worthy, Troy Franklin, Malachi Corley group. That's what I'm looking at for receivers. Everybody else is kind of behind them. And I might've missed somebody. So if I did, I'll point it out as we roll along. So I've got Harris in round two. I've got Ladd as my wide receiver
Starting point is 00:44:12 two in round seven. Neighbors in round eight. Brian Thomas in round nine. And then Rome, Worthy, Keon Coleman and round 10. I would ask you guys, who do you have ranked ahead of them?
Starting point is 00:44:30 It feels like a little, little bit too much right now. So I just, I don't think we get to know sort of where you guys have them conceptually. And we'll do some mock draft. We got mock drafts lined up for this week, Jamie. Yep.
Starting point is 00:44:41 A couple. Okay. So McConkie too. All right. I'd certainly see the logic there. What about Keon Coleman, Heath? I'm sorry. I missed that. He was like wide receiver six or seven round 10-ish. Yeah. I mean, is it just that McConkie, okay. Why is it that McConkie is so much farther ahead than Coleman when they went back to back and they obviously are in sort of a similar setup.
Starting point is 00:45:06 Yeah, I think I like McConkie more before the draft. I think McConkie is going to do a much better job of getting wide open to see targets. And while neither one of them have a whole lot of target competition, I think Keon Coleman has more target competition than Ladd McConkie. I don't know that I really mentioned this when we talked about mcconkey if there's this concern with him just for everyone to know could be injuries he's had some some health issues in the past yeah he's one of many lean rookies in the draft class all right rookie quarterbacks where do we end up on uh on well all of the rookie quarterbacks dave go ahead daniels is one for me in redraft i've got caleb next and mccarthy behind them but where are your rankings where are your rankings i don't
Starting point is 00:45:53 think i have them i don't think it really matters well when where are daniel where are your first two daniels and uh and uh okay really have daniels at 14 c Caleb at 16. Obviously, they can move up. They're both really exciting. And so taking them ahead of any quarterback that's a veteran that isn't exciting, all the sense in the world to do that. And I'm kind of excited about McCarthy, but he's not even in my top 20. I've got Daniels at 16, Williams at 20, McCarthy at 21. And I think I'm holding back on McCarthy.
Starting point is 00:46:32 Thank you, Jamie. You know, I'm sitting here going, gosh, am I just insane? Is something wrong with me? Because I just love the setup for Caleb Williams. Holy cow. The thing about it is like you know our job is to tell people when to draft these guys and you can you can make the argument pro and con about taking the veteran first and the younger player second if you want to you know
Starting point is 00:46:56 try and make sure you're taking two because you need to take two if you if you draft these guys at least that's the way i feel right now but like we kind of saw maybe the best of two last year we got cousins going to a new situation i think we all agree it's slight downgrade you know because the veterans the weapons aren't as proven um he's also coming off an achilles injury herbert's got wait wait they're not going to start panics i have all three guys over cousins so i agree with that one completely you know rogers is coming back from an achilles injury. Herbert has less weapons than either of these two guys, in my opinion. You know, so like you start to just nitpick some of these other quarterbacks that they're going to be ranked around.
Starting point is 00:47:34 And it's like, you know, to the to the point about Jaden Daniels coming off a thousand yard rushing season. Like this feels like something very similar to Anthony Richardson last year. We were all excited about him as a top 12 guy because of his rushing upside. And Caleb Williams steps into his. I guess not all of us were excited. Yeah, but the three analysts were excited about Anthony Richardson. I was really representing him. The situation with Caleb Williams, I mean, my gosh gosh he's got as good a receiving core as any
Starting point is 00:48:08 rookie is stepping into like feels like a cj stroud type situation you know with the weapons that around him which we didn't really expect but sort of materialized that way and so i'm just gonna shoot for the ups you know take the upside you know as dave says you know you don't want to draft players at their ceiling at this position you'd'd kind of do, you know? And so in, in, in the case of, of these guys, I guess let me rephrase it. You don't, you're not drafting them at their ceiling in terms of their costs. Cause you're not drafting them rounds three, four, five, whatever. But in terms of their ranking for me, like I'd rather take these guys as the starter and then try and backfill it with that guy. Like you tell me I come away from my draft with, uh, Caleb Williams and Jared Goff. I'm fine with that. You know, perfectly fine with it. You know, Jane Daniels and Matthew Stafford. I'm fine
Starting point is 00:48:53 with it because I have a guy that's got top 10 upside and I have a guy that could still be a top 12 guy as a fallback option. So how about the running backs? Anybody have a running back in their top 24 rookie running back? Where did I put Brooks? He's just outside. I think he's just inside for me. No, 26. That's where I have him, 26.
Starting point is 00:49:13 He'll be in that range for me, and I think that this, in training camp, if he's ready to go, not on the pup list, will be inside the top 24. Could go all the way to 20. Could be a top 12 running back in the second half of the season. And tight end, where's Brock Bowers, and is ben sinet your second ranked tight end where's he
Starting point is 00:49:30 heath you want to start with that i think i got bowers to 12 um and that was fudging the numbers a little bit but just because of kind of the argument jake jamie was making for some of the rookie quarterbacks, the upside. I don't have another rookie tied into my top 24, but Ben Sennett would be second. Theo Johnson might go ahead of him if Darren Waller retires. That wasn't a joke. Yeah. Well, what about,
Starting point is 00:50:02 do you think he just jumps Bellinger? Yeah. I kind of do too. Bellinger's more of a blocker for them if anybody in this class could jump bellinger it'd be theo johnson incredible athlete all right uh dave you have bowers eighth nice i do i'm i'm excited about him and the prospect of him being utilized in a very, very meaningful way for Las Vegas. I can't say super heavy, 120 targets, anything like that. I think he'll fall short of that. But I think he's going to get carries. I think he's going to get a lot of those short targets.
Starting point is 00:50:38 I think he's going to be utilized near the goal line. I think that he's got all kinds of upside to be a unique type of fantasy tight end. And so if I want to get into that, I'm going to have to draft him ahead of some other tight ends that feel safer. Evan Ingram, TJ Hawkinson, Jake Ferguson, Dallas Goddard. These are a lot of names that we know. Some of them were studs for us last year and we want to go back to them. I feel like Bowers is a little bit more fun and I'll take the chance on him in late round seven, if that's what it takes to get a talent that could absolutely be a difference
Starting point is 00:51:09 maker for fantasy. Yeah. The only one I wholeheartedly disagree with there is Ingram. I think, I think Dave said that he has to take Bowers over tight ends that feel safer, meaning Ingram feels fine, but I would like Ingram's like three or four rounds easily ahead of Bowers for me.
Starting point is 00:51:23 Yeah. I think in PPR, Ingram has a lot more upside than Bowers too, but just because I think in this offense, Ingram is going to see as many targets as almost anybody. I mean, he's coming off a hundred catch season and Brian Thomas is not the type of guy that's going to change that.
Starting point is 00:51:37 Okay. I have one more game for us to play here at the end. I'm not even sure I want to play it, but I'll put it in the notes, so we might as well do it. But I will say, we've got a big game tonight. Big game tonight. Heath has very low expectations. For my first softball game in many,
Starting point is 00:51:54 many years, my second softball game in the last 15 years, he thinks I'm going to strike out in slow-pitch softball. So, I don't think that I'm going to strike out. I don't. It's not easy to hit a slow pitch softball when you've not seen a slow pitch in 15 years. I'm going to say ground out to the third baseman.
Starting point is 00:52:16 Ground out to the shortstop. And you're going to be the idiot that hits it back at the pitcher by mistake on your hardest hit ball. I think the pitcher will be okay your hardest hit ball i think the pitcher will be okay i think i'm gonna go one for three well i was like i don't have it you're counting errors as hits though when you say one you think they're gonna throw it away once i think i'm gonna get a legit line drive base hit to right center field is this uh co-ed or or or men i think it's just men i i don't know a single person on the team.
Starting point is 00:52:47 I was sort of referred by a neighbor who didn't want to play. I said, oh, I'll play. So I'm going to meet all these new people tonight. And I said, do I need to bring a bat?
Starting point is 00:52:56 And the guy said, no, I have a bat. But my concern is that he's never dealt with someone as scrawny and weak as me. And all of the bats are going to be too big. It's like when I go bowling.
Starting point is 00:53:04 I have to get the kids. Have you bought a bat for Andrew andrew for t-ball yet yeah i don't think i can use just show with that just in case i don't have cleats i don't know you're definitely going to see this i don't have cleats though go buy cleats please go i'm gonna go by yeah like that's for your own good yeah i'm gonna go buy so then you're gonna be the guy shows up with new cleats then they know you're not gonna they know you've never played before. Do you wear baseball pants? Before you go to the park, you got to run around in your cleats first on a field. You got to get some baseball pants.
Starting point is 00:53:33 I was told that people wear shorts or sweatpants. Oh, yeah. Don't wear baseball pants. Please wear baseball pants. I'm not wearing baseball pants. I'm going to wear eye black, though, and stirrups. Is your family going to go watch you? No.
Starting point is 00:53:45 I'm not ready for that. I'm not ready for that. will it be streamed anywhere online that's what i'm saying like you're not gonna tell us by the way i did yesterday was our my first day coaching t-ball it was really uh they didn't keep score so it was a tie everyone hit but what happened when they threw the ball to you oh right yes uh a kid threw the ball to me? Oh, right. Yes. A kid threw the ball to me, threw it way over my head, and it rolled onto the other team's practice area. And the coach, I think it was, I would say about 20 yards away, the coach throws the ball back to me. A pretty good throw. And I just dropped it. And I was like, oh, God.
Starting point is 00:54:20 Tomorrow is not, Monday night is not going to go well for me. Where are you playing? What position? Oh, I don't know. They'll probably field right. Field or catcher. They're going to put me in right. Right.
Starting point is 00:54:28 Field. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're the new guy on a team with a bunch of strangers. You're playing as far away from everybody as possible. I want to see if they put you a catcher. Will you stand?
Starting point is 00:54:35 Will you stay in a catching position? No, no chance. I can't. He's going to be ducking and flinching. You know, I have bad knees. I can't,
Starting point is 00:54:42 I can't play catcher like that. You can stand back there. Yeah, I'll stand. I'll stay. I can't play catcher like that. You can stand back there. Yeah, I'll stand. I'll stand. I can't crouch. But I would like to say, on a more positive note, Heath's son is unbelievable at basketball. He put a highlight clip of him on Twitter.
Starting point is 00:54:58 I couldn't believe it. The kid is amazing. Is he going to be – this is a serious question. Is he going to play college basketball? I don't know. I will say that everybody's highlight reel. He's in the eighth grade. Give the kid a break. Everybody looks better on their highlight reel
Starting point is 00:55:12 than they do in real basketball, but no, he's been working really hard and playing really well, and that's his dream. That's amazing. I was blown away. He's really good. I've seen a few practices, and I've seen that same highlight video. He's really good. All right seen a few practices, and I've seen that same highlight video. He's really good. All right, let's get on to our game here.
Starting point is 00:55:29 I tried a little spin on buy or sell, believe it or not. I'm going to go with, yeah, I could see it, or no, you're weird. All right, sixth-round pick wide receiver Malik Washington out of Virginia will be the Miami Dolphins' third leading receiver. Yeah, I could see it, or no, third leading receiver. Yeah, I could see it. Or no, you're weird. Yeah, I could see it. This was an easy one.
Starting point is 00:55:51 You're weird. I'm weird. I thought this was a layup. Who's going to be their third leading receiver? Jonu. I think his name is Who, and his last name is Kares. Well, that's, I guess, the other.
Starting point is 00:56:04 He had 110 catches, I think, last year who, and his last name is cares. Well, that's, I guess the other, he had a hundred, he had a 110 catches. I think last year, Malik Washington, he led the country in catches and no dolphins receiver in the Tyree kill era. In the last two years, no third receiver has a head more than 417 yards. They really want production from someone else.
Starting point is 00:56:19 And it could be Malik Washington. Not that say that's going to be fantasy relevant though. All right. Fifth round pick running back, Audrick Estime out of Notre Dame will be Denver's goal lineback. Yeah, I can see it. Or no, you're weird.
Starting point is 00:56:36 You think I'm weird, Jamie? I just like saying that. Yeah. I don't... I don't want it to be true, but I could see it. I think it's possible Estimé could have a role as big as the 1B running back and a role as small as the second kick returner. I think he's one of like 14 running backs that were taken on day three that are
Starting point is 00:57:05 meant to play on special teams he's four he ran a four seven something how could he play how could he bring you know how could he return kicks i wouldn't put him at kick returner but it's a different type of kick return uh yeah i think that'd be more it's almost going to be it's almost going to be like a running play. My favorite Estimates stat, because he's just enormous. He averaged 6.9 yards per carry in the fourth quarter in each of the last two seasons. He could really wear you down.
Starting point is 00:57:36 All right. Yeah, I could see it. Or no, you're weird. Fourth round running back Ray Davis out of Kentucky will be Buffalo's goal line running back. You're weird. They have Josh Allen. They always have a goal line running back Ray Davis out of Kentucky will be Buffalo's goal line running back. You're weird. They have Josh Allen. They always have a goal line running back, though.
Starting point is 00:57:49 They have Latavius. They have Frank Gore. They even were using Leonard Fournette there, I think. And it's pretty much never James Cook. Rarely James Cook. Trapasso was really down on Ray Davis. Yeah. He was outstanding at the Senior Bowl, but as a prospect, he's not, he's not great.
Starting point is 00:58:05 Mainly because he's old. He's going to be 25 years old during the upcoming NFL season. Chris said on Saturday that he wouldn't be surprised if Frank or junior is better than Ray Davis. Okay. Entirely possible. So you're not just viewing him as a goal line back. Okay.
Starting point is 00:58:19 Next one. You're going to laugh at me, but I'll do it. Yeah. This is weird. Fourth round pick Braylon Allen out of Wisconsin will be the Jets' goal line running back. No, come on.
Starting point is 00:58:29 I could absolutely see that if Brees Hall decides, I don't want to play this week. Brees Hall scored 41 touchdowns in his last two seasons at Iowa State. Dave, this one's specifically for you. Yeah, I could see it or know you're weird. We should talk more about Washington's tight end, Ben Sinnott. Not yet. You're weird for saying that.
Starting point is 00:58:52 You kind of yelled at me for talking so much about him on Friday night. That was the joke. Yeah, because it was a waste of time. All right, next up. Ladd McConkie will lead all rookies in receptions. You're weird. Second. He'll be second.
Starting point is 00:59:10 Here's one. He's going to be second. You're a weirdo. Here's one that got a little bit more of a stretch. Denver wide receiver Troy Franklin will lead all rookies in receptions. Man, what kind of juju are you trying to put on Marvin Harrison here? I know he's the favorite, but Franklin, I mean, it's like a sleeper. Why not say Franklin could lead the Broncos in receptions?
Starting point is 00:59:31 Yeah. Yeah. That's even a fact. You can absolutely see that. All right. I'm weird. There's so much to like about where Franklin ended up. And it's got some to do with him reuniting with Bo Nix,
Starting point is 00:59:43 but Sean Payton's track record of utilizing receivers strictly to their strengths. It's awesome. He just didn't think Marvin Mims had very many strengths, I guess. I guess not, but here comes Troy Franklin, who's going to potentially get all sorts of opportunities. I don't even know if Sutton's going to stay on this team. All right.
Starting point is 01:00:03 At least two of Bucky Irving with Tampa Bay. You said Bucky, right? I did. Tampa Bay Buckeys. Tyrone Tracy with the Giants and Kamani Vidal with the Chargers. At least two of those three
Starting point is 01:00:18 will lead their team in rushing. Yeah, I could see it. You're weird. Yeah, you're weird. This is from Dave. zero RB will be more popular than ever which is why now is the time to target two running backs with your first three picks you're weird
Starting point is 01:00:35 Dave's weird I do find myself more interested in drafting a running back in round one than I have been because yeah that'd be hero. Yeah. Hero. All right. CD lamb should. This is also from Dave
Starting point is 01:00:50 CD lamb should be the first pick in drafts and Dak Prescott should be a top five fantasy quarterback. You're weird. Dave's weird. Yep. Dave's weird. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. I'm not saying I would do these things. I'm just trying to make podcast content. Hey, believe me, if anyone gets that, it's minute. I'm not saying I would do these things. I'm just trying to make podcast content.
Starting point is 01:01:07 Hey, believe me, if anyone gets that, it's me. Here's the podcast question I had about this. Hey, listen, the draft was very, very good to Dak and CeeDee Lamb. I challenge that. Why? Why? Because I don't think that them having arguably the worst running game in football or a bottom five running game is good for anyone.
Starting point is 01:01:26 They show, like I, and I went back and looked, I mean, it's not like you see a huge correlation between bad running games and great fantasy quarterbacks. You do see it sometimes just because of past attempts, but they've already shown that they,
Starting point is 01:01:39 they could have a good running game and still be elite. Or I don't know if we want to call it Dak elite, but he was like for the last 10 games, whatever. But I, I equate this to the Buccaneers a couple years ago where they had a terrible running game and Brady threw a ton and he just struggled uh I would equate it to the 50 I equated to the Chargers last year where they had a bad running game you know what they just had a bad offense and Herbert was good but he wasn't as good as he can be. I don't buy the concept that bad running game is good for a quarterback. They improve their offensive line. Their defense won't be as good as it was last year.
Starting point is 01:02:12 And in the second half of the season, they put it all on Dak and Lamb. And they put up a ton of points. I'm talking to Cowboys, but a ton of points. And they got to the playoffs and they got crushed in the playoffs, but at least they got there. Absolutely see a path where lamb leads the NFL and targets per game. And Dak Prescott is a top five quarterback at the end of the year. All right. Last one from Dave.
Starting point is 01:02:41 Perfectly for them because they didn't add another big-time receiver or a running back. Matt Weber hopes that I'm placed in right field. I will be. And the team he's on had no idea the team they were playing were all power-hitting lefties. J.J. McCarthy will be the best rookie quarterback in 2024. I could see it. Thomas wrote this one?
Starting point is 01:03:02 You're weird. Dave is weird, but yeah, I could see it, Dave. I could see it. Thomas wrote this one? You're weird. Dave is weird, but yeah, I could see it, Dave. I could see it too. I just, I'm not going to draft it that way, and nobody has to draft it that way. But we talk about Caleb Williams falling into this amazing spot where he's got these pass cards. What did J.J. McCarthy fall into?
Starting point is 01:03:19 Awesome spot. And you know what? I think he's a good quarterback. And he can run. You think he'll get to 300 rushing yards? He'll run the least of the top three. I'm aware. But do you think he'll get to 300 rushing yards?
Starting point is 01:03:33 Maybe. Sure. He'll have like 20 a game as long as he starts week one. Yeah. If he starts week one, he could have 303 on the ground. But he could also have 4,030 through the air. I have a super flex rookie-only draft starting in about two hours, and I have the fifth pick.
Starting point is 01:03:52 My choice is going to be between McCarthy and Nabors. How bad do you need a quarterback? You're the Giants. My starting quarterbacks are Geno Smith and Matthew Stafford. I'm taking McCarthy if he's there congratulations take neighbors you're making a mistake
Starting point is 01:04:09 I don't think I'll have a choice it's going to be one of the two yeah take neighbors if neighbors goes four I'm taking McCarthy if McCarthy goes four I'm taking neighbors okay what if someone drafts Kamani Vidal third overall and all of a sudden you can draft either one
Starting point is 01:04:24 I'll trade back one spot you're such a jerk Vidal third overall and all of a sudden you can draft either one? I'll trade back one spot. You're such a jerk. I'm sorry. You put Vidal third. Which wide receiver are you drafting first? 666 votes. Ooh, spooky. Marvin Harrison is the winner.
Starting point is 01:04:43 30.6%, followed by Drake London, who Schaefer voted for, at 26.7%, followed by Devontae Adams at 22%, 21%. It's changing a little bit. And Chris Olave just behind Devontae Adams. So pretty close poll, but Marvin Harrison, 678 votes, is the leader ahead of Adams, Olave. No reason to be biased there at all.
Starting point is 01:05:06 Who would you have voted for? London. All right, guys. Great show. Thank you very much. We'll talk to you all on Wednesday. Check out FFT Dynasty on Tuesday. Talk to you soon.

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