Fantasy Football Today - Updated WINNERS & LOSERS of Free Agency: Adams, Engram, Pickens, Hubbard & More (03/13 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: March 13, 2025

Win our Bracket Challenge and get in the Podcast League! https://tinyurl.com/fftbracket2025 We've got Joe Pisapia of FantasyPros joining us with his thoughts on free agency as we react to the Evan Engram and Rico Dowdle news plus a lot more. We start with some trivia (3:50) before getting into Joe's winners (9:15). Joe thinks Davante Adams, Tee Higgins and Brock Bowers are winners. Is Bowers TE1 for him (16:00)? ... Who are the biggest losers (27:30)? Joe brings up a quarterback we haven't talked much about. Also, is Chuba Hubbard a loser with the Dowdle addition (31:40)? Is Hubbard a Top 48 pick? ... Our thoughts on other signings (40:00) that might be under the radar including the latest on the Steelers backfield ... Your emails at [e-mail] Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Shop our store: shop.cbssports.com/fantasy  SUBSCRIBE to FFT Express on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-express/id1528634304 Follow FFT Express on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6qyGWfETSBFaciPrtvoWCC?si=6529cbee20634da8 SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179 FOLLOW FFT Dynasty on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1 SUBSCRIBE to FFT DFS on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dfs/id1579415837 FOLLOW FFT DFS on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5zU7pBvGK3KPhfb69Q1hNr?si=1c5030a3b1a64be2 Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." Visit the betting arena on CBSSports.com for all the latest sportsbook reviews and sportsbook promos. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Evan Ingram to the Broncos, Rico Dowdle to the Panthers and Joe Pissapia back to the show. One of our favorite guests, Joe Pissapia of Fantasy Pros. We've got a lot of rankings to talk about today. First question for you, Joe, just put you right on the hot seat. Aaron Judger, Juan Soto, what do we got? Oh, well, you're asking the wrong guy. I want Juan Soto.

Can't you see the Yankees are falling apart? Can't you hear all the Yankee fans just crying and just the tears? Oh, the tears. I feel like Eric Cartman at the end of the Scott Tetterman episode. I just want to lick the salty sweet tears as Garrett Cole gets Tommy John and Juan Soto leaves the Yankees for the Mets and Clay Holmes looks really good as a starter. I don't know how long it's going to last. I'm just enjoying this

moment. That's what I'm doing. No, I forgot you were a Mets. I had a feeling you were a Mets fan. I thought you were a Mets fan, but I wasn't. I now I now I remember. Yeah, it's clear now. Yeah. So the reason I asked Joe that is he he. Yeah. It's clear now, yeah. So the reason I asked Joe that is he, he double dips. He does baseball and football. This is a super busy time for him. And if you all the great baseball coverage and football coverage, you got to plug fantasy pros,

of course, CBS also very good, but you can tell us what you're doing because I know it's been a busy week for you and then we'll get into football. Well, we saw some of your colleagues yesterday on our fantasy fest on the Fantasy Bros MLB, Mr. Towers, Mr. Stanful, joining us, hanging out, let a little tag team action there.

But yeah, we're, we are wall to wall fantasy baseball on the MLB channel and Fantasy Bros MLB, which is really kicking up a notch. We're on Twitch now too. We're doing a live shows on Twitch, starting in season every single day. So we've got that happening. Of course, we've got a mock draft shows on the NFL channel also, which are super exciting.

We'll have a new one drop post free agency with Debro myself and Fitz trying to see now that the dust has settled. We have a much better idea of what the team needs are after free agency. And I think now we have a much clearer picture of maybe what the first round or maybe round or two might look like. And of course, if you're still looking to prepare fantasy baseball season, fantasy baseball black book right next to my beautiful bald head, still available on Amazon, updated March 1st, go get that bad boy. It's great to see you guys. I missed you. It's nice after a couple months or so to get back into the football waters with the CBS boys. Yeah, man. It's good to have you back. And I just want to introduce you to Dave Richard and Jamie Eisenberg, who are here as well. Dave, Jamie. Hey, guys. Hello.

Old friends. All right, fellas. So let's I got some trivia. Start off with a little trivia here. Mike Williams is back with the Chargers. What stat did Mike Williams lead all wide receivers in last season? Irrelevancy? Correct. Good one. Anything else? He didn't lead just all wide receivers. He led all players.

In fact, he probably set a record. It's very difficult. How do you set records and things when you're not playing very much? That that's the obstacle here. Dave, he was playing a lot. In fact, he set a record or at least tied a record played 18 games last year. Oh yeah. He got traded, I guess, and it didn't have the bye week. And he played 18 games between the jets and the Steelers. All right.

So over one routes run with doing nothing. Which tight ends? The LeBianna fell in cardio. Minimum 50 targets. There were about 31 tight ends, I think. Which tight ends with a minimum of 50 targets ranked last and second to last in both yards per target and yards per catch in 2024?

Greg Dolchits and Adam Traven. No, it's Lucas Kroll. If you're going to go Broncos tight ends, I don't know if any of them got I don't even know if that's where you're going with. I am sort of going there, but not those Broncos tight ends. Oh, I remember. Is that the joke? Evan Ingram is one of them.

So who the two least efficient tight ends in football last year? There's always Easter eggs with Acer. Yeah, he throws out something out the beginning of the show and then later on, it becomes a trivia thing. So Ingram is one of them. So it's got to be another big name, right? Is that what we're thinking is another big name? Nobody I've mentioned, but another like top eight PPR.

He's going to be like top eight and ADP, at least top 10. Kyle Pitts. No, good guess. It's David Njoku, David Njoku and Evan. Ah, good one. Ingram has been bottom two in yards per catch, two straight seasons. All right. Here we go. This number three, Cortland Sutton.

He had a game in week seven with zero catches on zero targets at the Saints from weeks eight through 18. Courtney Sutton went off. How many times did he score single digit PPR fantasy points from weeks eight through 18? Zero. I'll say one. I'll go with one to Jamie.

When one. Pretty good. Number 10 wide receiver per game in the last 10 games of the season. Week 14 at zero. They had to buy it out of here. All right. Last time I just think whenever we have guests on and you're giving away the secret formula why we won these awards, you know, this question, Joe's going to steal all these ideas.

All these horrible trivia questions. Okay. Last trivia question between Chuba Hubbard and Rico Dowdell, who was better in yards per carry yards before contact per carry yards after per carry, avoid rate and explosive run rate. Why ask this question if it's not Rico Dowdell? Right. Cause this is what he does sometimes, Joe. I know, I know.

And it's like, you don't trust me. You know where he's going and then he, he, you know, makes a hard right turn and guess what, it's Chuba, ha ha ha. That's probably right. I'm in your head. I'm in your head right now. Yeah, you won't answer.

Tuba. Joe, you have an answer? I'm sticking with Doutal because it sounds ridiculous and I don't think you're swerving me yet, but then again, it could also be my baseball brain just kind of working against me right now. And I'll say Ty. It is.

Sorry, I'm looking for this music for Jamie. Jamie wins. Yeah. All right, Jamie. My game's on. Two for two. Oh, did it fall again? Damn it.

Yep. Forget it. No background today. My background keeps falling too. Joe has like professional background behind himself. Like you have a piece of paper that falls every day. It's five-year-old. You see that one other thing behind him is a skew too.

What is that? Like a stadium picture? Oh, yes, the orange one. And then there's a taped picture back there. Well, what's the budget you're working with here? It's pretty low. Pretty low. All right.

So those are trivia questions. It's all in sound effects, James. We actually had planned a dollar for every Mike Williams catch and we gave him the extra game and didn't work out to help us with the background. I have an idea for a new background. All right, today's the day.

Today is the day I'm gonna go to Staples and I'm gonna make this happen. New background next week. Speaking of next week, next week- The picture of me, that's you, you know? Sort of. Our bracket challenge is going to begin next week. I don't have a URL just yet, but just stay tuned. I'm going to tweet it out.

Obviously we'll have a show on Monday. So we'll have time to join it. But if you win our bracket challenge, March madness, you know how it works. You pick the games, you pick the winners. If you win it, you're in the podcast league. One point for the first round, two, then four, then eight, then 16, then 32, if you get the championship right. It sometimes does come down to the first round, two, then four, then eight, then 16, then 32 if you get the championship right.

It sometimes does come down to the tiebreaker, but the winner of our bracket challenge, and I want like thousands of people in this, okay? Let's get a big audience here. The winner of our bracket challenge is in the podcast league. All right, Joe, I wanna throw it to you for your biggest winners. We'll start with that,

then we'll get some of your biggest losers, but everything that's happened in the last week or so, starting with Christian Kirk and Devante Adams and and Gino Smith and all that and continuing through Evan Ingram, who are some of the big winners for you? Well, look, I don't want to sound chalky here, but the big winner is definitely Devontae Adams. And I think we're all the big winners too. And it's because not only does he go to a situation where he got a very capable Verdon quarterback who, you know, one more really good playoff run or another Super Bowl appearance I mean if we start talking about Matthew Stafford in a different light, maybe we need to give him a little bit more respect

I mean all those years in his prime lost in Detroit But what I like so much about the Adam situation is he's got Puka Nakua there already and we all know Puka is quote-unquote The guy but he's also the guy that in his college career had injuries and his pro career has had some injuries early on and you know, Devante Adams can peak as a number one if Pukinokua misses time. The positive here is you're getting Devante Adams is that fringe wide receiver one investment, right? He's going to be a wide receiver two ish kind of guy I think in most people's rankings because Puka is going to be the target hog and that's great because he's going to have a wide receiver two ish kind of guy. I think in most people's rankings because Pooka is going to be the target hog, and that's great because he's going to have a couple games where he goes off.

You know, that's absolutely going to happen, but you don't have to pay the cost for it, and you have all the upside in an offense. You know, is going to be very together, capable quarterback, great head coach that there's going to be a lot of upside if Pooka goes down for any period of time where he steps into a number one role. to me it's all upside so that's the guys at the very top of my list of davante adams and you know controlled environment terms of weather. Good situation there i mean there's a lot to like here at the age of davante adams going to the environment he's going to i think is just extremely positive for fantasy and is, I don't think the cost really rises to a significant level where it makes him untenable as a draft pick. Would you rather have Devonte Adams or Cortland Sutton?

Really good comparison question there. I think after that trivia, things got a little dicey there, but I'm gonna go Devonte Adams because I'm gonna put my eggs in the basket of the ecosystem of the Rams over the Broncos, despite the fact it was pretty good last year for the Denver Broncos. Surprisingly so.

I don't think I'm looking for any surprises. I know the Rams are going to be good in 2025. Dave, how about you? Chuba Hubbard, Chuba Hubbard. Sorry. Don't take Chuba Hubbard. Don't listen to Corlyn Sutton or Devante Adams? I'll take Adams over Sutton.

I think they both qualify as mid to low end wide receiver twos. I fully agree with what Joe's saying. Completely trust the offense, trust the role that Adams has. I don't think he's going to get 10 targets a game. So we can downgrade them there, but that's why we're not taking them as like a top 15 wide receiver, more of a top 20 type of play in full PPR. And Jamie? I'm going to take the cost of what Sutton I think will be versus the cost of what Adams will be. So I think Adams gets drafted sooner than Sutton does. So I'd rather wait out Sutton,

but I'll have Adams ranked ahead of Sutton. Okay. Any other winners for you, Joe? Yeah, look, you're a winner even if you just go back to the same spot in T Higgins to the Bengals because I think Joe Burrow is lined up to have an MVP caliber season this year. You have both of those weapons at your disposal and Chase's, you know, it's kind of similar in some ways too. If Chase should miss any time, you know what T Higgins can be in this offense and he's still not going to come with the same draft capital. So if you are somebody that wants to take

a running back in that first round, you still have that availability. Look at guys like T Higgins guys like Devante Adams, when you're going back to the same offense, same situation, at least for now, we all think that this is locked in, we haven't seen any trades yet of T Higgins. And then another one is Brock Bowers, I think is a winner here. And I know he's not a free agent, but I think he's a winner because you can say whatever

you want about Gino Smith and their shortcomings with Gino Smith. He's still a significant and I'm going to use the word significant upgrade over everything else that they've had there in the last couple years at quarterback. So forget Gardner Minshew, you know, forget in O'Connell here. You're bringing in a quarterback that has been to playoff games. Now you're putting the situation with a head coach where he had the most success that he's ever had. You know, forget in O'Connell here. You're bringing in a quarterback that has been to playoff games now.

He putting the situation with a head coach where he had the most success that he's ever had. I think that's a good situation. So for me, Brock Bowers is a big winner because I do imagine they're not done here in the draft and it gets more offensive pieces. So even though I'm out looking for the Raiders to be a prolific offense in 2025,

I think it's hard not to think that Brock Bowers is kind of a winner here in for agency, not because you know, Smith is great, but because you know, Smith is an improvement of what they have. I'm going to take a quick break. Sorry, they'll get a quick break in here. And then I'll let Jamie and Dave respond. And I also want to know who Joe is going to have as his tight end one next season is gonna be Bowers or McBride. We'll come

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about college basketball this year is that the Florida Gators are good. I'm just going to pick Duke. So I don't have to pick an sec team. Uh, Joe, who's your tight end one? Oh, it's Bowers still. And look, I love Trey McBride. It's not a knock on him so much as I think Bowers is the offense. Like I think everything just kind of flows through him. And, you know, I understand that touchdowns can be spotty year over year. And it was a terrible time for Trey McBride with touchdowns. But I continue to struggle with Kyler Murray. His body language is just awful to me. He feels like a guy that's really good at his job but doesn't want to be there and it's a very frustrating thing to me. And I think when you're a quarterback I think that just rubs off and this is not

statistical analysis. This is going into just the eye test and the feeling you get from people and having coached youth football now for the last five years of my life. I'm sure Jamie can attest to this too. You get kids sometimes that are really talented, but just don't love it. I feel like that's Kyler Murray.

He's just a guy that's super talented and incredibly gifted athletically, but he doesn't have that other gear in him, that other leadership gear, that other gear that I think can take somebody like Trey McBride to an all time great kind of level potentially in his career. I haven't seen that at Kyler Murray in the NFL, and I don't

know if we're ever going to see it and I'm getting really tired of it. So if I'm going to split hairs between greatness, I'm going to take the guy in Brock Bowers that she seems like the weapon that is so tough to stop defensively that I do believe is indeed the focal point of his offense and as much as I love Trey McBride, I think Brock Bowers is the guy I'm going to go to even though Gino Smith physically might not be the same gifted quarterback in some ways that Kyler Murray is

but although at this point, I don't know Kyler Murray, maybe I'm just sour on him boys. I don't know. What do you think you would think that you, you know, knowing what you do, you'd love Kyler, baseball guy, football guy. Like it's both, both of your job descriptions. But yeah, no, he, he, he, he definitely has, I thought, you know, from the stories we heard last year

that we were going to see that from Kyler, you know, that he had dedicated himself in the off season coming off the ACL tear, you know, the fully removed that it seemed as if his trajectory was pointed in the right direction and that it was going to be a good influence on the offense. And then as you know, any any athlete, you know, things start to go a little bit south and you said it, his body language is so evident anytime there's there's a problem, he's pointing fingers, he's pouting, it's, it's just it's just not what you want a leader to be. So, you know,

when you start to split hairs on two great players, you know, when you're looking at Bowers and McBride, It's just not what you want a leader to be. When you start to split hairs on two great players, when you're looking at Bowers and McBride, I can promise you from seeing it, we've all seen it, Pete Carroll is not going to let anybody on that sideline get down on themselves. It'll be an interesting situation to see how Geno Smith and Chip Kelly, how much they influence that offense there in Las Vegas. We can talk about body language all you want with Kyler Murray. He still gave Trey McBride 9.2 targets per game.

That is a crazy elite number for anybody in the NFL, but certainly a tight end. That is huge. The number that's not elite though, touchdowns McBride had only three of those. I just checked this in the last five years, the leaders in receiving touchdowns from Kyler Murray, it's a tie. Marvin Harrison last year, DeAndre Hopkins in 21, eight touchdowns each. So that's where I'm a little bit worried about McBride is whether or not he can ascend to five touchdowns, six touchdowns, but in a full PPR format, I love the

opportunity that he has to get a ton of targets. Thing is, I think Bowers has the opportunity to get a ton of targets too. And I think he can score touchdowns a lot more frequently from Gino compared to Kyler Murray and what his track record has been throwing touchdowns to one specific guy. It looks like it's pretty rare for one guy to even have more than six. So I'm, I'm good with Bowers over McBride, but they're kind of a 1A1B for me in BPR. I have a hot take on Kyler Murray.

Dave, especially interested in your opinion here. I was thinking about Cam Ward, and I feel like Kyler Murray is my favorite comp to Cam Ward. I sort of see their careers being similar. I don't think Cam Ward is going to be a superstar, but I do think he's going to be a good quarterback. And just in terms of like athleticism style, I see Cam Ward being closest to Kyler Murray of any quarterback that's currently in the NFL. Sure. Because of the mobility and the size. I think that's what you're looking for. I'm not sure if Kyler has shown as much like tranquility in the pocket as we saw from Cam Ward last

year at Miami, where he would just stand there and like there's chaos all around him and he doesn't care and he still throws a tight window touchdown, something like that. Stylistically, yeah, they're kind of the same. They're move around quarterbacks that can chuck it pretty long. Good athletic quarterbacks. All right. So let's go on to some of the biggest losers. move around quarterbacks that can chuck it pretty long. Good athletic quarterbacks. All right, so let's go on to some of the biggest losers. But before we do that, I do think we should just talk about

the Evan Ingram acquisition here. He goes, two years to the Denver Broncos, $23 million, 16 and a half million guaranteed. Last year, the difference in PPR and non-PPR was kind of staggering for Evan Ingram. Look, it wasn't a good year for Ingram, but he still managed to be tied in 14 per game in full PPR and non PPR was kind of staggering for Evan Ingram. It look, it wasn't a good year for Ingram, but he still managed to be tied in 14 per game and full PPR tied in 16 per game in half PPR. And Ingram was tied in 22 per game and non PPR.

That's because he had one touchdown in nine games. But it just like it was not a good year. His 17 game pace was 89 catches, 689 yards. That's awful. And two touchdowns on 121 targets. Jamie, I'm going to give you the first word. What do you think about Ingram? Will he be a top 10 tight end for you with Denver? He will. You know, just exactly at 10. And I think again, you know, not to the same degree as like great marriage of Devante Adams going to the Rams, but it's a pretty good landing spot for a guy that went to a team with a quarterback that is

prone to throwing underneath, with a coach that has used his tie down in his history, and a team that is lacking a second proven target. I think between Marvin Mims and Vailay and whatever else they add, there'll be somebody to compliment Courtland Sutton, but he could easily be second on the team of targets. And so, you know, if he stays healthy, that's a big part of his game right now, you know, 30 years old. But once you get past, you know, like tight end six, seven, eight, you know, it's kind of just a crapshoot anyway. And so just looking at what he has been, what he still could be, and where he landed, you know, he'll be a good late round target if you're sort of in the greater late, you know, tight end boat. Joe, what do you think? Will Ingram crack your top 10? I know you haven't, you know,

you're in baseball mode. I know that you're going to do rankings next week, but I don't want to put you on the spot. But what do you think about it? No, no, not on the spot. I'm still knee deep in football. I just yesterday was just a big baseball day. But in terms of Evan Ingram, it's about health for him. Last year, he did not have it. If he's healthy going into this season. I'm intrigued I think he's still a tight end one top ten. I think he's right there to be honest with you I might I mean right now I think he's tied in 11 in the consensus rankings on fantasy pros I could see drafting him over in Joku who is it eight to tell you the truth

And it's more because of the style of offense and the style of play of the quarterback there You know, I think Bo Nix, the king of low ADOT, is going to be looking to get rid of the ball quickly, and that plays in very well to utilizing a tight end like Evan Ingram. So to me, I think this is actually a good potential fit. It's one that I want to pay attention to in training camp. You know, the way I always say, you know, preseason games don't mean anything except for the players where I mean everything for, and Ingram Ingram to me would want to be in the guys where I want to see it on the field. I want to see what that rapport is like. I

want to see how they're using with the offense. And if it looks good, then I'm more apt to buy in. But so far, like I said, the big thing for me with that in Ingram is the health at this point, if he, you know, has continues to struggle with that, then it doesn't matter at the end of the day, last year, the health just absolutely killed any investments you made. But in 2025, as long as you see it, healthy Evan Ingram on the field and training camp, you see it look good in preseason. I definitely buy him as a top 10 tight end for sure. All right, Dave, Evan Ingram goes from the number four tight end per game in 2023 to

14th per game in 2024 in full PPR. One of the numbers I noticed that was much different was his YAC. 3.2 yards after the catch per reception is horrible, especially when you consider he had a 5.4 yard A-dot, which is really, really low. And one of the things I saw from my notes from 2024, going into the last season,

was that Evan Ingram said he wanted to be used more downfield, he wanted to be used more in the red zone. And the Jaguars pressed Taylor, their offensive coordinator at the time, he was not so sure. And they didn't, they just kept using him underneath really short stuff and he did nothing with those targets. I'd like to see a little bit of a role change,

like we've talked about low A-dot and all that, that's fine, doesn't have to be this low. I'd like to see him be used in the red zone a little bit more. But change. Like we've talked about low A dot and all that. That's fine. Doesn't have to be this low. I like to see him be using the red zone a little bit more. But I think he can bounce back because that Yak per catch was so bad. And I have said this before, that's kind of, that's a stat when you see a guy who is consistently better in Yak and then one year he's really bad.

Hey, maybe he's just at the end of the rope, like Travis Kelsey, like I think, or maybe it's just a fluke and it's going to bounce back. I see that stat bounce back a lot. So I think that would help. But what do you think, Does Evan Ingram bounce back? I think he does. The Yak, by the way, in 2023 was 4.5. So it was better. That's not necessarily great. The year before that, 2022, obviously he's two years younger, certainly a little bit more

spry, 6.4. So it's double what it was this past season. And we know that he had a hamstring injury and that's what hung him up toward the end of the year. I don't know if he could have come back from it or not. But I just love that he was a volume play for Jacksonville. And I think that's exactly what he's going to be for Denver. Last year, Corlyn Sutton, number one on the Broncos and Targets with 135. Javonte Williams was number two with 17.

So there is a real possibility that Evan Ingram is the number two target getter in Denver. And I don't I don't know if his role is going to change that much. He's been a low a dot guy for the past three seasons. He's supposed to be an after catch guy, Adam, you kind of just made it clear that he hasn't succeeded in that after catch role. But kind of like what we talked about with LA and, and Davante Adams going there. I trust the offense. I trust the play caller. I trust the play designer and that's Sean Payton. And with this guy getting a chance to be the number two target getter. And we've seen him get double digit PPR points per game on the regular. Uh, I I'm kind of interested, kind of excited about him. I like him as a top 10 tight end. I don't want to get too excited where I'm reaching for him on draft day

But he and Tucker craft are probably gonna be the two tight ends that I end up getting the most of if I whiff on The top five tight ends. I agree with Dave too. I think that like he could be that number two guy I think that's very clear of everything. That's the upside of what Ingram is and It's gonna be fascinating to see what they add or don't add in the draft. Coming up here for Denver, do they, you know, try to spend capital on wide receiver. But the other thing that I forget too, is if there's anybody who can scheme properly for a tight end to be

successful, I think we can all remember, you know, there were years there with Sean Payton, where he was able to make a start at Jimmy Graham, he knows how to get tight ends open in an offense. It's not like an offense that is bereft of understanding how to utilize a tight end. And it's just more of a, I think, knock on the roster that he inherited that just wasn't enough there to make that happen in 2024.

All right, and I will say that Evan Ingram, if there's one thing he's done consistently in his career, he is a target earner. He's played seven seasons. He's been on pace for, actually I think he's played eight seasons. Eight seasons, he's been on pace for 115 or more targets per 17 games in six of eight seasons.

That is very, very impressive. He's a short area target getter with a quarterback who loves to throw short. And you're gonna play- Joe mentioned this, the A-dot for Bo Nix was seven point three last year that was 26 among qualifiers I mean it's what he did in college to write Dave I mean this is just who he is and so it was successful they got to the playoff they got

Buffalo I mean why why the start changing that and asking Bo Nix to suddenly throw you know nine and a half yards downfield on average with what they have at receiver and now at tight end, doesn't make any sense to me. So this offense will probably be the same, but now they can add the wrinkle of Ingram and what he can do as a matchup problem. He's a wide receiver playing tight end.

So it's actually a great fit for fantasy. All right. Let's get to Joe's losers. Any losers? And I'll ask, is Cortland Sutton a loser? As Dave just said, you know, last year's no Vonte Williams he was competing with. I don't think Cortland Sutton is a loser necessarily here in free agency. I think the biggest loser right now is Steelers wide receivers

because they don't have a quarterback. So I mean, we can put the question mark around it and see what's going on. I mean, imagine we get the inevitable Russell Wilson returned and everybody plays nice because they have no choice now. I don't think it's going to be Aaron Rodgers. We'll see what happens. I think, you know, Cooper Cup, I think the end, you know, when you get released, you know, he was seeking a trade. Nobody was was biting. You get replaced by Devante Adams, then you get released, you know, a few days later. I think that kind of spells the end for you. I'm sure some people will be intrigued if he lands in a certain spot, but I think

Cooper Cup, unfortunately, all that volume of that window for a couple of years is taking its toll on him. And I'm going to put this out there too, guys. I don't know what you think about. I kind of feel like CJ Stroud is a bit of a loser too, because what have they done to help that offensive line that already had problems again last year and then they dealt their captain on the offensive line. I just, I have a hard time wrapping my mind around that.

So I'm a little concerned about CJ Stroud. I don't know what the rest of the guys think, but that to me is another loser so far and, uh, you know, I think one that we're not thinking enough about necessarily because we get so caught up in all the fantasy weapons and we don't spend enough time sometimes just thinking about what the offensive lines, the protections look like. But, um, you know know on the inverse of that I do like what Chicago is starting to do to start to put some better pieces around Caleb Williams on that offensive line and I'm fascinated to see what kind of draft they have. It's a great point about CJ

Stroud Jamie because that line was a huge problem they they dealt Laramie Tunsel to Washington they also dealt left guard Kenyon Green to Philadelphia for CJ Gardner Johnson. So that's a good call. Does it extend they did add Christian Kirk, which is nice, but losing to offensive lineman. I love that guy hadn't thought about that. Does it affect Nico Collins at all? In your rankings? Not so much Nico, you know, and Joe's right. It's not it hasn't

been a great offseason, you know, when you lose. Stefan Diggs as of now, but even if he does resign, he could still miss the start of the season because of the ACL tear. We know Tank Delamé missed the entire season, you know, just coming off the knee injury that he sustained. And yes, Christian Kirk's a nice piece. The one thing that I think can be somewhat of a saving grace for CJ Stroud, which is

a big hope, is that his offensive line was a disaster as a rookie, and he was able to overcome it. Now you don't want to say, okay, well he did it once, why can he go do it again? Because he had better protection, at least on paper last year and it didn't pan out. So you take away Tunsil, that's huge. You take away green, that's not great. So they still have the draft to address it and they tried to acquire obviously a lot of draft capital, not necessarily so much for this year because they got four picks

for Tunsil, two of them are in 2026. So we'll see exactly what they do to upgrade the offensive line in the next, you know, version of, of, you know, fix your team. But yes, for right now, it hasn't been the ideal off season for a guy that was one of the biggest busts last year, you know, guy that was drafted as borderline top five quarterback and suddenly did not finish in the top 12. So hasn't been great for him. Does anybody think that Chuba Hubbard is a loser with the Rico Dowdle signing? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Discuss. I mean, this was a guy that was amazing last year, you know, and

you know, in doing at least my initial rankings, he was a borderline top 12 running back, you know, and now you go and you add one of the better free agent running backs out there. Not a superstar, but you know, a guy that had a pretty solid season for a Cowboys team that was disastrous when he was having his best success. So we're right back to kind of where we were a year ago with, okay, Hubbard and somebody else.

Jonathan Brooks, okay, when he comes back, what is he gonna be? How much is he gonna take away from what Hubbard was doing? Well, now we have that. We have that with a guy that hopefully is hungry to prove himself. I don't really love the signing for him, clearly, because he had an opportunity to maybe go compete for a starting job.

And who knows? Maybe he beats out Chuba Hubbard, but the contract that they gave Hubbard last year doesn't suggest that at all. So it feels as if we go from featured back to committee. And I don't know if Hubbard's that good of a player to have to deal with losing playing time and losing touches. So he's still going to be a number two running back, but more on the back end as opposed to a top end guy, you know, in a borderline number one guy for me.

It was such a, what was it? One million three, a one year, three million. It was like the same contract. There's some incentives in there too, but it's virtually the same deal that Dallas gave Gervonta Williams. Right. So does that, does that tell you anything? Does it mean that Dowdell's just a backup? Like they released Miles Sanders and

they signed Rico Dowdell. Do you think he has a bigger role than what the very ineffective Miles Sanders had last year, Dave? No. A bigger role than what Miles, everybody is gonna have a bigger role than what Miles Sanders had last year. So yes, he will have a bigger role than that. I think it's a brilliant signing by Carolina because it's a buyer's market at running back and getting a good runner this cheap when they really shouldn't draft another runner. I'm sure they're hoping that John and Brooks is ready to go by 2026, not 2025. So this is their 1B running back. I think they trust Chuba and will trust Chuba more

in high value touch situations. So near the goal line, passing downs. Remember Rico Dowdle didn't play that much on third downs last year. They were using their full back to play on third downs on passing downs for pass protection reasons. So I think Dowdle is gonna be there to get around 10 carries a game or something like that.

It's almost like you could say that Rico could be this year's Chuba. Last year, when we were looking at Panthers running backs on the draft, everybody was taking Jonathan Brooks first. And then a couple of smart guys were saying Chuba Hubbard in round 10 should be a really good pick. Could be the same thing here. I'm still obviously going to rank Chuba Hubbard in round 10 should be a really good pick could be the same thing here. I'm still obviously going to rank Chuba higher. I think Chuba is still a top 20 fantasy running back as of now, but no, not a top 12 guy knowing that Rico Dowd

was going to be there to take some work away from him. I just don't think it will be work that is going to cost Chuba Hubbard a bunch of touchdowns or a bunch of catches or anything like that. I think Chuba is still going to be their guy. I'm going to get Joe's take on it. Sorry, Joe, I got to cut you off. I didn't get a break in here. We'll take a quick break. Come back and hear from Joe on the Panthers running backs.

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Today we're here with Joe Pisapea of Fantasy Pros, and I'm just gonna get our draft results from a draft we did in February. Chuba Hubbard went in round four to a guy named Joe, not you, but different Joe. He went ahead of Alvin Kamara and ahead of Tony Pollard. This is kind of like almost a dead zone at running back. Chuba, like Joe, it was Joe Mixon and then six picks, then Chuba Hubbard, Alvin Camara, but mostly wide receivers in this range.

Do you think Chuba Hubbard deserves to be a top 48 pick at this point, Joe? That's a struggle because I do think Doudel will get enough that will take a little bit of the shine off Chuba. I will say it might also be the thing that keeps him healthy. So I think maybe long term it's good, but in terms of that weekly upside, it's going to cap it, I think, to a certain degree. I am however, not nearly as fata complete about the return of Jonathan Brooks as Dave is. You don't get a lot of guys who have two ACL tears and come back and play football. I mean, it's just not something you have at the running back position. Once a Thomas Davis was one of them, but like it's not something you get where you have the same player tear the same ACL twice. Like it's one

thing to do the left and the right that we've kind of seen before that happened sometimes, but to have it twice in the same guy, I just, I don't think we see Jonathan Brooks in the NFL. And I, that's very sad. He was a very talented player in college, but I'm not expecting that. And I think the Panthers aren't either, which is why you're kind of getting these signings were saying, alright, look, even though it's a really good running back class as Dave pointed out, let's take the discount on Rico Dowdell. It's a smart move there. I

think when you have a quarterback the size of Bryce Young, you want to run the football. You need to run the football. You want to take that pressure off of him and I think that is important as well. So is he a top 48 player that I'm going to have to get back to you on right now? But he's a running back that I think is a low end RV to I think you still feel pretty good about because I do think Chuba showed you he could handle the load. He can handle all that. I know the end of the season kind of didn't go the way we wanted to. But at the same time, Rico is I think one of the more intriguing

handcuffs because some of those deeper metrics do show you same time, Rico is, I think, one of the more intriguing handcuffs because some of those deeper metrics do show you that he is capable. And I think it might be a better question to ask, is it better to draft Chuba Hubbard where he's going to go or is it better to draft Rico Dowdell late and just kind of hedge with him on your bench and see what happens. It is funny based on the money. Like why didn't Dallas just give that contract to Rico? Because Dallas doesn't seem to give money to anybody.

Do they, Jamie? I mean, have we seen like the a little too much stack? Too much stack. Like a part. Well, they obviously are a star. That's it, right? You have to be a star in Dallas. Otherwise, you just don't matter.

And unfortunately, it shows every year, right? When the stars don't perform, what's left and not enough depth to compete at the NFL level. Well, you don't know what we don't know what the scenario was. Maybe Chuba had, I'm sorry, maybe Dowdell had a higher asking price. And then as free agency went on, he realized he couldn't get that anywhere and he settled for what he got. But he got the same, more or less, the same exact contract that Javante Williams got. So it is interesting if they, if the Cowboys knew that they were going to cost the same, then in that case, they obviously chose Javante over Rico Dowdell.

I don't think Rico Dowdell was a special running back. I don't know that. I think the Cowboys look at the draft class too. I'm sure the guys will agree that it's a really strong running back draft class. You got the Hamptons, you got the Caleb Johns. You got all these guys like that, you know, you could find another running back here, you know, get that rookie

contract. I think that's important too, because as Jamie pointed out, you're paying DAC, you're paying some of these guys, the rookie contracts are a little bit more helpful sometimes in that scenario too. So I think they just look at the rookie class and there's probably enough value there in the second round for them that they feel good about the quarterback situation. I would my guess, oh, they're running back situation. I will say just just to counter Joe's point about Jonathan Brooks signing Rico Dowdle to signing Rico Dowdle signing him to one year deal is hopefully a good sign that Brooks by 2026 can be it's it's still I agree with you still a stretch for him to come back and

be anything close to what he was but it's not like they invested in somebody else to be there with Juba for a long term. So drafting somebody would have been a nightmare. Getting a 27 year old free agent running back who was an undrafted rookie free agent. So a guy that profiles more as a backup is certainly a better sign for Brooks long term future than it is for if they had just said, okay, he's done, forget it. We're going to go just invest in another player at that position in the draft. Okay. So is there anything else that we should talk about guys?

So we're talking about, you know, Mike Williams back to the Chargers, even Josh Palmer, like could Josh Palmer as it stands right now be the number one wide receiver? Oh, no, I'm sorry. So he went to Buffalo. I don't know why I had him in New England for some reason. I thought you were about to say, could it be the number one wide receiver in Buffalo? As a pager fan, I can tell you we don't have a number one wide

receiver. Matt Collins went to New England. Sorry, I got that confused there. Yeah, like, I was gonna talk about Quentin Johnston and maybe a bigger chance for him. But then they signed Mike Williams, Diami Brown of the Jaguars. Man, I'm grasping for straws here, but Dave, is there anything that stands out to you that's fantasy relevant with these deeper? No, I don't know if you've named anybody that's going to be big on the radar for fantasy managers. I had a minute today in the car thinking about Valdez-Skantling reuniting with Clint Kubiak in Seattle.

I remember how MVS ended last year in New Orleans. And if Seattle were to continue to stop how fast receivers that take the top off of defense and just forces the safeties to play back, wouldn't that theoretically help JSN continue to get open for those shorter underneath throws and continue to rack up targets and be just an absolute PPR monster. In theory, in my mind, that sounds really great. I don't know if that's how it's going to end up in Seattle, but, and I don't know how much we should really be thinking about Seattle's offense now with all the

changes that they've made anyway, but that was one name that I don't think you mentioned that was interesting to me. The quarterbacks are interesting to me. The quarterbacks are interesting to me. Thinking about that Steelers run game and what that looks like right now. They added Kenny Gainwell and Jalen Warren is on the restricted tender. So he's effectively in a contract here. If things kind of stay the way they are, and I would guess that they will, Jalen Warren is finally getting to the point that we were hoping for to be the lead stealers running back. And which quarterback, which veteran old QB that's out

there would be better for him between Russ and Rogers. I went and I checked this. Both of them have thrown effectively at least 20% of their targets to running backs over the past four years, including Russ last year was at 24.5 to running backs in Pittsburgh. So either of those veteran quarterbacks, I think it would be good for the targets for both Warren and Gainwell, but Warren stands out to me as somebody who could be a winner in all this. Remember the Steelers traded a second round pick to get DK Metcalf. So that's one less pick they have to go and get one of these rookie running

backs. I'm real curious what the Steelers run games are going to look like. And if they don't make changes to it, Warren's our guy. He might be a top 24 running back in full PPR. He is right now for me. Yeah, I could definitely see that. Yeah. I feel like the, uh, the Steelers are remember when Billy Madison goes back to high school and he pulls up there and the trans am he's got the denim jacket right? He's like, Hey, I was so cool. Remember how cool I was. And then he realizes what era it is in the NFL. Now, same thing like now you're in high school and

you're not cool anymore. I feel like that's the Pittsburgh Steelers. They seem very rudderless and directionless. And they, they really screwed the pooch last year, they had a 25 year old quarterback who they could look at as we can take this year, give him an entire season in the offense, see if he could be a franchise quarterback. They gave him six games. He was four and two, nearly five and one.

He almost pulled that game in Indianapolis out of his hat. And they replaced him with a 10 years older veteran in Russell Wilson, faded at the end of the season, and then basically are now sitting around still not having a quarterback. And if you don't have a quarterback, you don't have a chance in the NFL. And I just, I don't know what they're doing. And this system that they're trying to continue to live in, like,

oh, remember when we were cool when we wore our Arios Speedwagon jacket? Like, that is not where you're at right now. It's and they feel like a team an organization that's just behind in the thought process guys to me your team should go get george pickens you know what i don't hate it i i don't hate it at all uh you know matthew golden's the guy that i love in this draft class but i i loved him from september on and then I told Derek Brown. I was like, hey, when you go to the combine, remember watch Matthew Golden. I think that's the dude.

I love how good he is in the Renzone area too. But if again, so you bring in DK Mac app, you trade that capital. Why not just your one thing? This deal is a good at Jamie has been drafting wide receivers. Why don't you keep that draft capital? Keep a rookie contract trade pickings drafted

on the wide receiver and figure out your. Yeah, why don't you keep that draft capital? Keep a rookie contract trade pickings draft on the wide receiver and figure out your quarterback situation. I don't know, man. They seem lost to me in the 49ers seem like a team that's on the precipice to that. My god, I feel like they're hanging on by a thread. It's all good hopes and wishes that everything works out well, that everybody's healthy. But my god, like I feel like we are on the edge of the cliff with that team, too.

Oh, that's an interesting one. So the 49ers have had a really bad week. They have lost so many players, offensive line, defensive line. They lost their, arguably their best cornerback. It's, you know, it's not great. And then you got IU coming off an injury. You have no more Debo Samuel. But I remember how I felt.

I remember talking about the Ravens last year. The Ravens lost three offensive linemen The Ravens lost a lot of players on defense as I recall last year There were some question marks, but as long as they have Lamar Jackson They're amazing and their offensive line pulled it together also And I think that's kind of like the difference for me between the 49ers and the Steelers the Steelers got to give a lot Of credit like Tomlin's obviously amazing and they can always stay relevant They can always stay in the playoff hunt.

The 49ers though just seem to maximize the talent of everybody on offense. So I could see them having a really disappointing year, even though they just had one, but I believe in them. I feel like as long as Purdy's healthy, they'll be able to figure it out. But yeah, it's been a bad, bad week for the 49ers. I don't know that there's a team that's lost more than the Niners. Nothing comes to mind.

No, they've been gutted. And good locker room guys too. You lose Juszczak, that's a big part of their culture if you buy into that stuff. But I do think defensively, bringing Salah back is going to be big for them, just because they kind of stabilize what they wanna do on that side of the ball. Shanahan will still get, I think the offense in the right direction. But I mean, look, it's Jimmy's and Joe's, it's not always X's and O's. And so they got beat up very badly last year. McCaffrey, Trent Williams, IU, they lost a lot of key pieces.

Pierce saw their first round pick not playing until week seven. So they're asking a lot of older players, Trent Williams to stay healthy and still be one of the best at what he does. McAfee to stay healthy and be one of the best at what he does. Those two guys didn't do it last year, we'll see. So when you have to pay your quarterback, this is what happens. And the time has come, it's time to pay Brock Purdy. So hopefully he's their answer.

You remember the storyline though, speaking of free agency, they want you know, did Kyle Shanahan want Mac Jones? And did the front office want Trey Lance? Right, right. And the front office one and they got Trey Lance and now he's getting back to just some other notes here. Ty Johnson going back to the Bills. He's their third down back. And so that, you know,

if you were hoping that James Cook would have more of a third down roll, probably not gonna happen. He only had four catches last year. James Cook on third down. Khalil Herbert to the Colts. That could be an interesting handcuff there. And that's about it. I think.

Speaking of the Colts, what did you guys think about the Daniel Jones situation there? Because I was just talking about this before we signed on one of our shows where I said they're going to bring somebody else to challenge Richardson. But I feel like Richardson's in a vicious cycle where he, I wish NFL Europe still existed. Like he could go get a ton of reps somewhere and just play spring football basically. And then come in ready, cause I feel like he's a guy that just needs to play more,

but he's never gonna get that scenario. I feel like there's a lot of pressure on Shane Steichen. And I feel like if Richardson doesn't perform to their expectations and make some sort of big leap year over year or show them in training camp that you might see Richardson on the outside looking at a Daniel Jones. You guys think that might be the case too?

It definitely be the case, you know, and you know, going to get a guy like Daniel Jones, they don't have to change their offense, you know, so if they had brought in, you know, more of a pocket passer, then it's like, okay, whoever wins the job, they may have to do some, you know, adjusting on the fly. I think, though, you know, as as a head coach yourself, Joe, you know, you don't want to bench your daughter, but you know, you bring in a quarterback maybe to compete with her and maybe Richardson get some reps that way, you know, and in the 12 black football. That's a tough night at home, boy. When you bench your kid here, like, Hey, look, you gotta take the ball out of your

hands, but no, that's a good point. It's a good point that they are, you know, Daniel Jones, I think people forget sometimes like, yeah, he's a really mobile guy out there on the field. I would have liked Daniel Jones personally to stay in Minnesota just to see what JJ McCarthy has or doesn't have. And then, you know, does he have the Sam Donnell like resurgence of being with Kevin O'Connell and maybe showing something there, uh, at least to give them a veteran, our, our esteemed producer is still hung up on Aaron Rodgers, which I don't understand.

He didn't throw a single pass for Minnesota though. Like there's a difference, right? What? So what? So what? I mean, it matters. I'm gonna say, I'm telling you right now, I'm very high on Anthony Richardson. I'm very high on him. He just needs to be semi competent at quarterback and he's going to be awesome for fantasy. And just like I said, uh, two days ago, man, watching the tape, that offense creates a lot of opportunities. I mean, I just couldn't even believe it. I think, and also just having to account for Anthony Richardson, there are guys

wide open. He just has to hit them. Uh, and I think, um, looking at the last five games after his benching, I think he played well enough, you know, and I'm, I'm very high on him. He obviously, I do like that. He's spending the off season with Josh Allen and Josh Allen's throwing. Yeah, exactly. You know, so hopefully that translates to 58, 60% completion percentage. And if he does that, watch out as a fantasy quarterback by the way Josh Downs averaged 10.7 fantasy points per game in PPR with Anthony Richardson and 15.4 per game with Joe Flacco

I Hope Richardson wins the job because he's so fun for fantasy. I don't know that he's gonna be very good for any of his receivers He just barely throws he runs runs for touchdowns He makes Alec Pierce a great best ball and DFS play. Yeah. Did Alec Pierce led the team in receiving last year? By the way, I think I have another trivia. Oh, I have another trivia question. What song was Billy Madison playing when he pulled up to high school stroke. Yeah, yeah. Billy Squire.

Yeah, there you go. All right. Hey, you finally got one. I had to give you a layup, Joe. Hey, I got the other one. I got Evan Ingram. I answered right. I got one of the two tight ends. I gave you like six hints for that one. Well, I was right on it.

I answered quickly on the end. You know, my thought process. Yeah. Yeah. All right. All right. Good job. And stroke. Yeah. All right. Let me read some. Did you enjoy Juan Soto hitting a home run right at the guy that was taunting him? Oh, such a good clip, man. It's my favorite part of that is the turnaround stare.

Yeah. But he gave the guy first where he's just looking. I was like, have you seen one so man? I don't think that's a guy you want to get into like some sort of altercation with him, just saying like there's some guys, some baseball players, you know, you know, you know, little fake tough guys. I don't think one sort of a fake tough guy. I don't get that feeling from him at all.

But it was a beautiful moment. Look, as a Mets fan, I know it's always going to end poorly. I taught myself last year to just enjoy the moment. And I enjoyed a lot of moments in the fall. It was a good time. I got I got a question for all three of you. Would you rather be investing in one of these three rookie quarterbacks or would you want to go out there with a Russell

Wilson and Aaron Rogers or a Kirk cousins in 2025? Which team any of the three needy teams left because what do you have? You got Cleveland. You got Tennessee. You got Pittsburgh. I mean Giants Giants to four of them. Okay.

My answer is I'd rather have cam ward followed by all of the veterans. I don't know about cousins, but I'd go cam ward, Russell Wilson, Aaron Rogers, Sanders, and then maybe who was the other? Oh, cousins. If yeah, they got three veterans out there and then you got the three rookies basically. So it's somebody's third rookie. I think I am. I mean, my comp to him, again, this is probably more for the folks who enjoy the

REO Speedwagon reference earlier. My comp for him was Jeff Garcia. That is who Jackson Dart reminds me of. A guy who is much quicker than you realize, not afraid of contact when he's out and running. If you watch the tape on the two of them them and I went back and I did some more of this too, the way that Jackson Dart really kind of pushed everything into every throw and you see him kind of on that front foot so much to me, there was so much like Jeff Garcia and there and Jeff Garcia was a guy that kind of snuck up on a lot of people, but had a lot of success in the NFL and some good 49er teams and that post Steve Young era.

If he could have a career like Jeff Garcia, like you can go win with that kind of quarter, especially in this style of the NFL. I don't know what your comp is for Dart, but that's mine. It's pretty good. Yeah, I have a beef with that because Dave, you remember. Oh yeah, Jeff Garcia doesn't hold the door up. Jeff Garcia, man, Dave and I were walking into the convention center in 2020 for the Super Bowl and Jeff Garcia had a great opportunity to hold the door for us. It was not one of those like gonna have to wait 10 seconds for it was probably a two to three second holding of the door and he didn't even consider it. He just kept on walking. Were you tough on him in the past on some shows? Were you taking some shots? Believe me, if I had been, he would have had no idea of the anonymity that I have.

But yeah, no, he could have held the door. He could have held the door. And if Jackson Dart is really like that, then I wouldn't want Jackson Dart on my team either. Well, I don't know about his door handling skills. I'm just looking at the quarterback profile. And to me, that's the guy that I think kind of cobs the best. And another one too

that just was not on people's radars they didn't see Jeff Garcia coming and as a guy that had some pretty darn good seasons and won a lot of games. And Jamie if I recall wasn't I really especially horrible at holding doors for people like when we would go to lunch? Oh you're the worst. Yeah I have really I've gotten a lot, but I was really bad at that, actually. But the Garcia and the doors looking through doors is just one of your things. Oh, all right. Some emails real quick.

This is from Scott. This was addressed to me. Scott said, Adam, baked burgers are legit. They're better tasting and less carcinogenic than grilled burgers. Thanks for turning me onto them. Scott, I don't bake my burgers anymore. They're horrible. I now have an air fryer and I do that. So you gotta, you gotta move on.

Bake burgers suck. Everyone's right. You've never air fried the burger. How's that work? Is that coming out all right? Well, I don't have a grill, but air frying is much better than the stove and better than the oven too.

Yeah, it's good. I've never done that for burgers. I air fried eggplant the other day for the first time because you know, I gotta get I'm getting older now, you know, you gotta watch your cholesterol, all the other things. So trying to get away from like the regular frying, which as an Italian, it's kind of hard to do, you know, but I do the air fried eggplant was pretty good. So I'm curious about the burger. Yeah, no, I did it last night. I air fried burgers. It's very good. Air frying is amazing.

This is a great comment here from Joey. Where is it? Joey, where are you? Where'd your comment go? Adam, it says Adam Azer is the anti-hodor. Hodor. All right, this question's from Rob. 10 team super flex PPR Dynasty League. And yes, you will probably hear this on the dynasty show as well. You can have a maximum of four

quarterbacks on your roster. I currently have Lamar Jackson, Jayden Daniels, Jordan Love and Matthew Stafford. Going into the rookie draft. I don't have a first round pick. I'd like to acquire one or an early to mid second round pick. I believe Jordan Love is worth a first round pick and a player and Stafford is worth a second round pick and a player. Am I missing something or do I have unrealistic values in a 10 team super flex dynasty league? I don't know if they're worth pick and player. They're certainly worth the picks that you've set out to acquire for them because 10 team

leagues are going to be so much talent available. So you get a first round pick for Jordan Love. I would look to explore that option. I'm thinking when you say player that you're talking about somebody that just like kind of kicked into the deal and not like a premier player or even like a good player. So if it's somebody like that on top of the draft pick, I'm good with it and I think you've got it nailed. I would agree that it's,

depending on the player you're also asking for, especially I think right now, you have so much uncertainty of the quarterback position, right? Cause it's not a great quarterback class. I think anybody's looking at it right now. If you need quarterback help, you're either taking darts on some of these kids or you're looking at some of these

veterans like the cousins and guys like that. Rodgers, I don't think you want that. I'd rather have Jordan Love for a first round pick and move on. And by the way, I see Michael's comments in the chat. Air frying eggplant is fine. You just got to make sure you're using the right stuff. It's not soggy at all, actually. You do it with the buttermilk and then you do it with the breadcrumbs and then you put it in there with the spray olive oil and you just flip it 10 minutes in, run it 10 minutes, much better than you think.

Very crispy, not soggy, the opposite of soggy. Yeah, and air frying it with buttermilk definitely sounds like someone who's trying to watch his cholesterol. It's better than the eggs. It's lower in the saturated fats. I learned that. I learned that this month. Okay, I stay corrected. This's lower in the saturated fats. I learned that. I learned that this

month. Okay. I stay corrected. This is Will in Rhode Island. I have an offer for my second round pick, which is 2.8 in a 10 team super flex dynasty league for Isaiah Pacheco. I have Javante Williams, a Chan and mixing, but I'm on the fence because I feel like the chiefs will bring someone in. So this is the 18th pick in a 10 team super flex dynasty league. Would you rather have the 18th pick or Isaiah Pacheco? So this guy's pretty good at running back with a Chan and mixing at least for now. If the rest of the team is, is ready to compete now. Maybe I make this deal just to have the depth. But if you're not competing, if you don't think you've got a shot to win at all, I keep

the pick. If Pacheco is back, this is a steal. Of course. So you got to take that gamble of how confident are you in his health. And if you're talking about what the chiefs plan to do, they may have already done it. With just Elijah Mitchell. I mean, you know they have so many holes to fill on their offensive line and their defense. Wouldn't be surprising if they don't take a running back.

Especially given their history. I would take the pick. I like Pacheco a lot of love the kid to he's a local guy here Rutgers kid about 20 minutes for me a Great kid great competitor, but the word if that Jamie just attached to him I feel like is always around me well if he stays healthy or if he comes back or if if if and with Andy Reid I just feel like they're always looking for some amalgamation of running backs and they're just willing to move guys in and out, and in fantasy, that's just crushing. And I don't see a lot of touchdown equity for Pacheco.

That's the other thing too. It's like, if you're not getting the volume, well at least give me the touchdowns. If you're iffy on both, I think I'd rather have the pick and see what I can turn it into. Does it change your mind knowing that Pacheco's entering a contract here? No, I wish it did.

I wish it made me more interested because theoretically what we see is, right, well, let's burn them and churn them, right? But I just don't know if I'm sold that that's the chief's way of doing things necessarily. I think they're more apt to just kind of, you know, it's more like looking for the next guy as opposed to looking to use them up.

Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. All right. So like there's two ways of looking at that. And which way do you think is more likely your way, which is get what you can out of them this year and then move on, or he's going to be motivated to have the best year of his life because he knows he can get paid after let's have Pacheco on the roster this year on our, on our dynasty rosters to try and take advantage of that. And I think the telltale sign will be what they do at running back the rest of the off

season because you could it would not be shocking at all to see Kansas City draft another running back knowing that Pacheco could have a foot out the door after this year. If he's not an excellent running back this year, I don't see how they recite dynasty wasted. But like if they don't know about the dynasty, okay, where's Pacheco go next year? Right? Yeah. It'll be I think I'd rather have the pick and rather than the guy who's coming into Kansas City as a pie, the guy's going out to cancel. I don't know 18 and a super flex league you could find. Bucky Irving. Well, okay, Let me just hold on. You could find Bucky Irving. You could also find Marshawn Lloyd, Blake Corum, Jaylen Wright, Xavier Leagate, Adonai Mitchell, Malachi Corley, Jermaine Burton,

Jaylen Polk, Troy Frenk. But most of those guys we can't write off yet. No, we can't write them off, but I still happy to have those guys on my. Yeah, you can't write off. Nothing last year, like Pacheco could have, you know, could give you something this year. This is a significantly better running back class though than last year. You also could find Pacheco who was, you know, a third, fourth, fifth round pick depending on how you keep your. Yeah, it is a better running back class for sure. It's a much worse quarterback class and it's a much worse wide receiver class.

So in the first 18 picks of a super flex flex like even a 10 team league, the top three quarterbacks are going to be gone. Agreed. All right. So how many Or somebody gets talked up enough. Well, like you and I all know that we all know that somebody's going to get talked up too much. Somebody's going to end up entering some weird conversation. They shouldn't. And then people are going to bite on their teeth. But last year we had six quarterbacks in our dynasty league, six quarterbacks go in the first 17 picks, including five quarter go in the first 17 picks,

including five quarterbacks in the first 10 picks. So I don't know, I would take Pacheco. I think it's a very close call. I think we all think it's fairly close. So Joe's thinking. I think if you can get maybe Pacheco and a third, and you're giving up a second, maybe a fourth, something along those lines.

All right. All right, well, Joe. Thank you for coming on All but my pleasure man. It's always great to hang out with you guys talk a little football fun chat going on here, too So I can't wait to see where the rest of the quarterback chips fall I don't know where you guys think Rogers is going but I say podcast. I think that's where he lands. He lands Doing a podcast at some point. Oh, yeah, I think that's definitely in his future. All right, folks, thank you so much. Joe piece of Pia at Joe piece of Pia 17 on I'm still not going to call it X. I'm going to call it Twitter. And we will talk to you on Monday with another edition of

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